Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread Bill Dillon via BVARC 
Faster rates means wider transmission bandwidths, which means less room for
others on our HF bands.

73 de Bill, KG5FQX

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Jeff Greer via BVARC 
wrote:

> Noob question (I'm a new ham):
>
>
> Why do we not like the faster rates?  From the outside looking in, it
> seems like more lax rules would benefit us.  What am I missing?
>
>
> Jeff, W5JEF
>
>
> --
> *From:* BVARC  on behalf of Paul Noll via BVARC <
> bvarc@bvarc.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 6, 2017 8:01 AM
> *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
> *Cc:* Paul Noll
> *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" -
> beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced
>
> There is no reason for concern now. FCC says temporary and I see no reason
> to think otherwise. If there is a problem after 60 days, let's deal with it
> then. Why worry over nothing now ?? Too many other things going on to worry
> about without adding more for no current reason.
>
> My 2 1/2 cents worth.
>
> Paul Noll
> KG5MHD
> Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!!
>
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:48 AM, n5xz via BVARC  wrote:
>
> Still, hope it is only temporary
>
>
>
> Allen N5XZ
>
>  Original message 
> From: Michael Smith 
> Date: 10/6/17 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ 
> Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB , tdxs-list <
> tdxs-l...@tdxs.net>, n...@mailman.qth.net, ctd...@kkn.net,
> qr...@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of
> today's FCC Waiver - just announced
>
> As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.
>
> N5TGL/KP4,
> Michael
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ 
> wrote:
>
>> FYI
>>
>>
>>
>> de N5XZ:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the interference
>> this activity will cause to other users/activity.
>>
>>
>>
>> ARRL will certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on
>> a "lack of interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to
>> prevent the "end run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently
>> believes that a crisis is an opportunity to advance unpopular policies.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>
>>
>>... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ted Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM
>> *To:* 'Jim Talens' 
>> *Cc:* ab...@htva.net; 'Don Greenbaum' ; 'Allen Brier
>> N5XZ' ; 'Sam Leslie - W4PK' ; 'Jeff
>> AC0C' ; 'Ron Kolarik' ;
>> w...@aol.com; 'Dan White' ; 'Richard Thorne' <
>> rtho...@rthorne.net>; 'Mark Sihlanick' ; 'Joe Subich,
>> W4TV' ; awillar...@yahoo.com; 'Jim McDonald' <
>> j...@n7us.net>; 'Tom Morrison' ; 'Zoya Popovic' <
>> z...@colorado.edu>; 'Terry Gerdes Cell' ; 'Ed Muns' <
>> e...@w0yk.com>; k...@swva.net; 'Dick Hanson K5AND' ;
>> 'Scott Yost' ; 'Jim George' <
>> n...@mindspring.com>; 'Paul Stroud' ; 'Dick Hanson
>> K5AND' ; k0...@k0acp.com
>> *Subject:* Lets keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver -
>> just announced
>>
>>
>>
>> We must do all we can to ensure this "temporary" order is only temporary-
>> 60 daysand let's hope it does some actual good for those suffering in
>> the Caribbean.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let us all beware of those at the league who have data ambitions that aim
>> to  push for FCC rules that would allow wideband encrypted modems like
>> Pactor 3 and 4 to overtake today's narrowband modes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please spread the word.
>>
>>
>>
>> And.Beware.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 ted N9NB
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> From ARRL Newsletter:
>>
>>
>>
>> FCC Grants Temporary Waiver to Permit Higher Symbol Rate Data
>> Transmissions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The FCC has granted an ARRL request to waive current Amateur Radio rules
>> to permit data transmissions at a higher symbol rate than currently
>> permitted, in order to facilitate hurricane relief communications between
>> the continental US and Puerto Rico. The temporary waiver is limited to
>> Amateur Radio operators in Puerto Rico using PACTOR 3 and PACTOR 4
>> emissions, and to those radio amateurs in the continental US who are
>> directly involved with HF hurricane relief communications involving Puerto
>> Rico or the US Virgin Islands, the Commission said.
>>
>>
>>
>> "We conclude that granting the requested waiver is in the public
>> interest," the FCC said in its October 5 Order. "Hurricane Maria caused
>> massive destruction in Puerto Rico, and communication services continue to
>> be disrupted. Thus, to accommodate Amateur Radio operators

Re: [BVARC] [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread n5xz via BVARC 
Will do, Ted!


Allen N5XZ
 Original message From: Ted  Date: 10/6/17  
11:49 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: n5xz  Cc: Michael Smith 
, qr...@mailman.qth.net, ctd...@kkn.net, 
n...@mailman.qth.net, tdxs-list , BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR 
RADIO CLUB  Subject: Re: [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep 
this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced 
Alan, all,
please send to all your clubs so they know what to look for (Alan? This will 
only go to you and ctdxcc). Listen to the entire video-- see what happens to 
the pactor signal 2 or 3 minutes into the video!
Five transmitters surely will not cause the sky to fall. 
But 50 or 500 or 5000 stations could do immense damage across many bands since 
each signal is at 2.4 kHz or 5 kHz channel bandwidth. Imagine our cw and 
narrowband spectrum sounding like this (especially 2 minutes into the 
video)https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zzrjQsq4FpE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zzrjQsq4FpE

73 ted N9NB
Sent from smartphone, please excuse typos
On Oct 6, 2017, at 8:48 AM, n5xz  wrote:

Still, hope it is only temporary


Allen N5XZ
 Original message From: Michael Smith  
Date: 10/6/17  7:03 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Allen Brier N5XZ  
Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB , tdxs-list 
, n...@mailman.qth.net, ctd...@kkn.net, 
qr...@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" 
- beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced 
As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.
N5TGL/KP4,Michael
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ  wrote:
FYI de N5XZ:   The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the 
interference this activity will cause to other users/activity. ARRL will 
certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a "lack of 
interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to prevent the "end 
run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently believes that a crisis is 
an opportunity to advance unpopular policies. 73,    ... Joe, W4TV  From: Ted 
Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM
To: 'Jim Talens' 
Cc: ab...@htva.net; 'Don Greenbaum'

Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread Jeff Greer via BVARC 
Noob question (I'm a new ham):


Why do we not like the faster rates?  From the outside looking in, it seems 
like more lax rules would benefit us.  What am I missing?


Jeff, W5JEF



From: BVARC  on behalf of Paul Noll via BVARC 

Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 8:01 AM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
Cc: Paul Noll
Subject: Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
today's FCC Waiver - just announced

There is no reason for concern now. FCC says temporary and I see no reason to 
think otherwise. If there is a problem after 60 days, let's deal with it then. 
Why worry over nothing now ?? Too many other things going on to worry about 
without adding more for no current reason.

My 2 1/2 cents worth.

Paul Noll
KG5MHD
Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!!

On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:48 AM, n5xz via BVARC 
> wrote:

Still, hope it is only temporary



Allen N5XZ

 Original message 
From: Michael Smith >
Date: 10/6/17 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Allen Brier N5XZ >
Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB >, 
tdxs-list >, 
n...@mailman.qth.net, 
ctd...@kkn.net, 
qr...@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's 
FCC Waiver - just announced

As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.

N5TGL/KP4,
Michael

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ 
> wrote:

FYI



de N5XZ:







The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the interference this 
activity will cause to other users/activity.



ARRL will certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a 
"lack of interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to prevent 
the "end run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently believes that a 
crisis is an opportunity to advance unpopular policies.



73,



   ... Joe, W4TV


From: Ted Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM
To: 'Jim Talens' >
Cc: ab...@htva.net; 'Don Greenbaum' 
>; 'Allen Brier N5XZ' 
>; 'Sam Leslie - W4PK' 
>; 'Jeff AC0C' 
>; 'Ron Kolarik' 
>; 
w...@aol.com; 'Dan White' 
>; 'Richard Thorne' 
>; 'Mark Sihlanick' 
>; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' 
>; 
awillar...@yahoo.com; 'Jim McDonald' 
>; 'Tom Morrison' 
>; 'Zoya Popovic' 
>; 'Terry Gerdes Cell' 
>; 'Ed Muns' 
>; k...@swva.net; 
'Dick Hanson K5AND' >; 'Scott Yost' 
>; 'Jim George' 
>; 'Paul Stroud' 
>; 'Dick Hanson K5AND' 
>; k0...@k0acp.com
Subject: Lets keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just 
announced

We must do all we can to ensure this "temporary" order is only temporary- 60 
daysand let's hope it does some actual good for those suffering in the 
Caribbean.

Let us all beware of those at the league who have data ambitions that aim to  
push for FCC rules that would allow wideband encrypted modems like Pactor 3 and 
4 to overtake today's narrowband modes.

Please spread the word.

And.Beware.

73 ted N9NB
--

>From ARRL Newsletter:

FCC Grants Temporary Waiver to Permit Higher Symbol Rate Data Transmissions


The FCC has granted an ARRL request to waive current Amateur Radio rules to 
permit data transmissions at a higher symbol rate than currently permitted, in 
order to facilitate hurricane relief communications between the continental US 
and Puerto Rico. The temporary waiver is limited to Amateur Radio operators in 
Puerto Rico using PACTOR 3 and PACTOR 4 emissions, and to those radio amateurs 
in the continental US who are directly involved with HF hurricane relief

Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread DAVID M GRAY JR via BVARC 
YES….JT  and the other tech wizzards have shown us how to sniff information out 
of mud 5-feet thick.   I hope they come up with new and amazing ways to move 
rivers of bits really fast. 

David  K5HEC



> On Oct 6, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Jeff Greer via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> Noob question (I'm a new ham):
> 
> Why do we not like the faster rates?  From the outside looking in, it seems 
> like more lax rules would benefit us.  What am I missing?
> 
> Jeff, W5JEF
> 
> 
> From: BVARC > on 
> behalf of Paul Noll via BVARC >
> Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 8:01 AM
> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
> Cc: Paul Noll
> Subject: Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
> today's FCC Waiver - just announced
>  
> There is no reason for concern now. FCC says temporary and I see no reason to 
> think otherwise. If there is a problem after 60 days, let's deal with it 
> then. Why worry over nothing now ?? Too many other things going on to worry 
> about without adding more for no current reason.
> 
> My 2 1/2 cents worth.
> 
> Paul Noll
> KG5MHD
> Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!!
> 
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:48 AM, n5xz via BVARC  > wrote:
> 
>> Still, hope it is only temporary
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Allen N5XZ
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Michael Smith >
>> Date: 10/6/17 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: Allen Brier N5XZ >
>> Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB > >, tdxs-list > >, n...@mailman.qth.net 
>> , ctd...@kkn.net , 
>> qr...@mailman.qth.net 
>> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's 
>> FCC Waiver - just announced
>> 
>> As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.
>> 
>> N5TGL/KP4,
>> Michael
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ > > wrote:
>> FYI
>>  
>> de N5XZ:
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the interference this 
>> activity will cause to other users/activity.
>>  
>> ARRL will certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a 
>> "lack of interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to 
>> prevent the "end run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently 
>> believes that a crisis is an opportunity to advance unpopular policies.
>>  
>> 73,
>>  
>>... Joe, W4TV
>>  
>>  
>> From: Ted Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com 
>> ] 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM
>> To: 'Jim Talens' >
>> Cc: ab...@htva.net ; 'Don Greenbaum' 
>> >; 'Allen Brier N5XZ' 
>> >; 'Sam Leslie - W4PK' 
>> >; 'Jeff AC0C' > >; 'Ron Kolarik' > >; w...@aol.com ; 'Dan 
>> White' >; 'Richard Thorne' 
>> >; 'Mark Sihlanick' 
>> >; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' 
>> >; awillar...@yahoo.com 
>> ; 'Jim McDonald' > >; 'Tom Morrison' > >; 'Zoya Popovic' > >; 'Terry Gerdes Cell' > >; 'Ed Muns' > >; k...@swva.net ; 'Dick Hanson 
>> K5AND' >; 'Scott Yost' 
>> >; 'Jim George' 
>> >; 'Paul Stroud' 
>> >; 'Dick Hanson K5AND' 
>> >; k0...@k0acp.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Lets keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just 
>> announced
>>  
>> We must do all we can to ensure this "temporary" order is only temporary- 60 
>> daysand let's hope it does some actual good for those suffering in the 
>> Caribbean.
>>  
>> Let us all beware of those at the league who have data ambitions that aim to 
>>  push for FCC rules that would allow wideband encrypted modems like Pactor 3 
>> and 4 to overtake today's narrowband modes.

Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread K5IZO via BVARC 
Furthermore, this was extensively addressed when ARRL proposed it less than a 
year ago.  Even hard core narrow bandwidth people don’t want to stifle 
technology, so the counter proposal was to give wideband part of the SSB 
sections or equal amounts from upper CW/Data and SSB. Of course ARRL, the 
people who brought you the disastrous Parity Act would have nothing to do with 
this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Bill Dillon via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> Faster rates means wider transmission bandwidths, which means less room for 
> others on our HF bands.
> 
> 73 de Bill, KG5FQX
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Jeff Greer via BVARC  
>> wrote:
>> Noob question (I'm a new ham):
>> 
>> 
>> Why do we not like the faster rates?  From the outside looking in, it seems 
>> like more lax rules would benefit us.  What am I missing?
>> 
>> 
>> Jeff, W5JEF
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> From: BVARC  on behalf of Paul Noll via BVARC 
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 8:01 AM
>> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
>> Cc: Paul Noll
>> Subject: Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
>> today's FCC Waiver - just announced
>>  
>> There is no reason for concern now. FCC says temporary and I see no reason 
>> to think otherwise. If there is a problem after 60 days, let's deal with it 
>> then. Why worry over nothing now ?? Too many other things going on to worry 
>> about without adding more for no current reason.
>> 
>> My 2 1/2 cents worth.
>> 
>> Paul Noll
>> KG5MHD
>> Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!!
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:48 AM, n5xz via BVARC  wrote:
>> 
>>> Still, hope it is only temporary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Allen N5XZ
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Michael Smith 
>>> Date: 10/6/17 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: Allen Brier N5XZ 
>>> Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB , tdxs-list 
>>> , n...@mailman.qth.net, ctd...@kkn.net, 
>>> qr...@mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
>>> today's FCC Waiver - just announced
>>> 
>>> As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.
>>> 
>>> N5TGL/KP4,
>>> Michael
>>> 
 On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ  
 wrote:
 FYI
 
  
 
 de N5XZ:
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the interference 
 this activity will cause to other users/activity.
 
  
 
 ARRL will certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a 
 "lack of interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to 
 prevent the "end run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently 
 believes that a crisis is an opportunity to advance unpopular policies.
 
  
 
 73,
 
  
 
... Joe, W4TV
 
  
 
  
 
 From: Ted Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com] 
 Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM
 To: 'Jim Talens' 
 Cc: ab...@htva.net; 'Don Greenbaum' ; 'Allen Brier 
 N5XZ' ; 'Sam Leslie - W4PK' ; 'Jeff 
 AC0C' ; 'Ron Kolarik' ; 
 w...@aol.com; 'Dan White' ; 'Richard Thorne' 
 ; 'Mark Sihlanick' ; 'Joe Subich, 
 W4TV' ; awillar...@yahoo.com; 'Jim McDonald' 
 ; 'Tom Morrison' ; 'Zoya  Popovic' 
 ; 'Terry Gerdes Cell' ; 'Ed Muns' 
 ; k...@swva.net; 'Dick Hanson K5AND' ; 
 'Scott Yost' ; 'Jim George' 
 ; 'Paul Stroud' ; 'Dick Hanson 
 K5AND' ; k0...@k0acp.com
 Subject: Lets keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just 
 announced
 
  
 
 We must do all we can to ensure this "temporary" order is only temporary- 
 60 daysand let's hope it does some actual good for those suffering in 
 the Caribbean.
 
  
 
 Let us all beware of those at the league who have data ambitions that aim 
 to  push for FCC rules that would allow wideband encrypted modems like 
 Pactor 3 and 4 to overtake today's narrowband modes.
 
  
 
 Please spread the word.
 
  
 
 And.Beware.
 
  
 
 73 ted N9NB
 
 --
 
  
 
 From ARRL Newsletter:
 
  
 
 FCC Grants Temporary Waiver to Permit Higher Symbol Rate Data Transmissions
 
  
 
  
 
 The FCC has granted an ARRL

Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread Scott Royall via BVARC 
Oh boy, noobs in a minefield.


The reality is that Amateur Radio has become largely an idle pursuit of 
comfortable geriatric men. I take no joy in noting that, I’m only acknowledging 
the situation. At 61, I’m no spring chicken myself. One thing about the 
geriatric that’s notable is our almost monumental resistance to change. There 
are plenty in this “hobby” who are always remembering “the good ol’ days.” I am 
among a minority who are unhappy that Amateur Radio has lost so much relevance 
with public service agencies. That was a major justification in getting 
Congressional authorization for what was meant to be a service. I am old enough 
to remember, as a SWL, the heydays of the ‘70s when certain HF frequencies were 
virtually aglow during disasters, and I don’t just mean “health and welfare” 
traffic. That was the epitome of relevancy to me, and I aspired to that level 
of service.

 

I’m wistful that hams still aren’t doing things like spread-spectrum 
communications, which the military has had for decades. The crux of objections 
to new modes stems from worries that the sacred traditional modes would be 
hampered or interfered with. Personally, I have nothing against CW, but AM on 
HF is a waste of bandwidth (and for those curious, I feel much the same about 
“ESSB;” a properly-adjusted 3kc signal should provide sufficient fidelity). I 
don’t have a lot of interest in the “JT” modes as those are only useful in 
contests. FSQ might have a broader appeal, although I’ve yet to make a contact 
using it.

 

I am on record in this mailing list as saying it’s only a question of time 
before the FCC is presented with a more profitable or “beneficial” use of our 
spectrum. At that point, we will be called upon to justify what we have, and 
the fact that there are 748k of us means diddly because we don’t vote en bloc 
on anything.

 

 

 

 

From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of DAVID M GRAY JR via 
BVARC
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 11:04
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB 
Cc: DAVID M GRAY JR 
Subject: Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
today's FCC Waiver - just announced

 

YES….JT  and the other tech wizzards have shown us how to sniff information out 
of mud 5-feet thick.   I hope they come up with new and amazing ways to move 
rivers of bits really fast. 

 

David  K5HEC

 

 

 

On Oct 6, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Jeff Greer via BVARC  > wrote:

 

Noob question (I'm a new ham):

 

Why do we not like the faster rates?  From the outside looking in, it seems 
like more lax rules would benefit us.  What am I missing?

 

Jeff, W5JEF

 


  _  


From: BVARC  > on 
behalf of Paul Noll via BVARC  >
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 8:01 AM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
Cc: Paul Noll
Subject: Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
today's FCC Waiver - just announced

 

There is no reason for concern now. FCC says temporary and I see no reason to 
think otherwise. If there is a problem after 60 days, let's deal with it then. 
Why worry over nothing now ?? Too many other things going on to worry about 
without adding more for no current reason.

 

My 2 1/2 cents worth.

Paul Noll

KG5MHD

Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!!


On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:48 AM, n5xz via BVARC <  
bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

Still, hope it is only temporary

 

 

 

Allen N5XZ

 

 Original message 

From: Michael Smith <  radion5...@gmail.com>

Date: 10/6/17 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00)

To: Allen Brier N5XZ <  n...@earthlink.net>

Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <  
bvarc@bvarc.org>, tdxs-list <  tdxs-l...@tdxs.net>,  
 n...@mailman.qth.net,   
ctd...@kkn.net,   qr...@mailman.qth.net

Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's 
FCC Waiver - just announced

 

As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.

 

N5TGL/KP4,

Michael

 

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ <  
n...@earthlink.net> wrote:

FYI

 

de N5XZ:

 

 

 

The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the interference this 
activity will cause to other users/activity.

 

ARRL will certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a 
"lack of interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to prevent 
the "end run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently believes that a 
crisis is an opportunity to advance unpopular policies.

 

73,

 

   ... Joe, W4TV

 

 

From: Ted Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com

Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread gmuller885 via BVARC 
Faster means wider band with. Where will it be taken from? SSB/ CW / DIGITAL, 
of which none wan't to give up any spectrum. That is the issue. 


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 Original message From: Jeff Greer via BVARC  
Date: 10/6/17  10:56 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB 
 Cc: Jeff Greer  Subject: Re: [BVARC]  
[tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - 
just announced 


Noob question (I'm a new ham):



Why do we not like the faster rates?  From the outside looking in, it seems 
like more lax rules would benefit us.  What am I missing?



Jeff, W5JEF








From: BVARC  on behalf of Paul Noll via BVARC 


Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 8:01 AM

To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB

Cc: Paul Noll

Subject: Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
today's FCC Waiver - just announced
 


There is no reason for concern now. FCC says temporary and I see no reason to 
think otherwise. If there is a problem after 60 days, let's deal with it then. 
Why worry over nothing now ?? Too many other things going on to worry about 
without adding more
 for no current reason.



My 2 1/2 cents worth.



Paul Noll
KG5MHD

Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!!




On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:48 AM, n5xz via BVARC  wrote:






Still, hope it is only temporary









Allen N5XZ




 Original message 
From: Michael Smith 

Date: 10/6/17 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: Allen Brier N5XZ 

Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB , tdxs-list 
,
n...@mailman.qth.net, 
ctd...@kkn.net, qr...@mailman.qth.net

Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's 
FCC Waiver - just announced





As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.



N5TGL/KP4,
Michael



On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ 
 wrote:




FYI
 
de N5XZ:
 
 
 
The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the interference this 
activity will cause to other users/activity.
 
ARRL will certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a 
"lack of interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to prevent 
the "end run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently
 believes that a crisis is an opportunity to advance unpopular policies.
 
73,
 
   ... Joe, W4TV
 
 


From: Ted Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com]


Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM

To: 'Jim Talens' 

Cc: ab...@htva.net; 'Don Greenbaum' ; 'Allen Brier N5XZ' 
;
 'Sam Leslie - W4PK' ; 'Jeff AC0C' ; 
'Ron Kolarik' ;
w...@aol.com; 'Dan White' ; 'Richard Thorne' 
; 'Mark
 Sihlanick' ; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ;
awillar...@yahoo.com; 'Jim McDonald' ; 'Tom Morrison' 
; 'Zoya
 Popovic' ; 'Terry Gerdes Cell' ; 'Ed 
Muns' ;
k...@swva.net; 'Dick Hanson K5AND' ; 'Scott Yost' 
;
 'Jim George' ; 'Paul Stroud' ; 'Dick 
Hanson K5AND' ;
k0...@k0acp.com

Subject: Lets keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just 
announced


 
We must do all we can to ensure this "temporary" order is only temporary- 60 
daysand let's hope it does some actual good for those suffering in the 
Caribbean.
 
Let us all beware of those at the league who have data ambitions that aim to  
push for FCC rules that would allow wideband encrypted modems like Pactor 3 and
 4 to overtake today's narrowband modes. 
 
Please spread the word.
 
And.Beware.
 
73 ted N9NB
--
 
From ARRL Newsletter:
 
FCC Grants Temporary Waiver to Permit Higher Symbol Rate Data Transmissions
 
 
The FCC has granted an ARRL request to waive current Amateur Radio rules to 
permit data transmissions at a higher symbol rate than currently permitted, in 
order
 to facilitate hurricane relief communications between the continental US and 
Puerto Rico. The temporary waiver is limited to Amateur Radio operators in 
Puerto Rico using PACTOR 3 and PACTOR 4 emissions, and to those radio amateurs 
in the continental US who
 are directly involved with HF hurricane relief communications involving Puerto 
Rico or the US Virgin Islands, the Commission said.
 
"We conclude that granting the requested waiver is in the public interest," the 
FCC said in its October 5 Order. "Hurricane Maria caused massive destruction
 in Puerto Rico, and communication services continue to be disrupted. Thus, to 
accommodate Amateur Radio

Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread Scott Royall via BVARC 
Equal parts I might go for.

 

However, have you ever heard a real spread-spectrum signal? No, and you won’t 
because they lurk in the background noise. Military does this frequently on 
80m, and you almost need a SDR to spot the noise floor going up ever so 
slightly.

 

From: BVARC [mailto:bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org] On Behalf Of K5IZO via BVARC
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 14:13
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB 
Cc: K5IZO ; Bill Dillon 
Subject: Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
today's FCC Waiver - just announced

 

Furthermore, this was extensively addressed when ARRL proposed it less than a 
year ago.  Even hard core narrow bandwidth people don’t want to stifle 
technology, so the counter proposal was to give wideband part of the SSB 
sections or equal amounts from upper CW/Data and SSB. Of course ARRL, the 
people who brought you the disastrous Parity Act would have nothing to do with 
this.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Bill Dillon via BVARC  > wrote:

Faster rates means wider transmission bandwidths, which means less room for 
others on our HF bands.

 

73 de Bill, KG5FQX

 

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Jeff Greer via BVARC  > wrote:

Noob question (I'm a new ham):

 

Why do we not like the faster rates?  From the outside looking in, it seems 
like more lax rules would benefit us.  What am I missing?

 

Jeff, W5JEF

 


  _  


From: BVARC  > on 
behalf of Paul Noll via BVARC  >
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 8:01 AM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
Cc: Paul Noll
Subject: Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of 
today's FCC Waiver - just announced 

 

There is no reason for concern now. FCC says temporary and I see no reason to 
think otherwise. If there is a problem after 60 days, let's deal with it then. 
Why worry over nothing now ?? Too many other things going on to worry about 
without adding more for no current reason.

 

My 2 1/2 cents worth.

Paul Noll 

KG5MHD

Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!!


On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:48 AM, n5xz via BVARC  > wrote:

Still, hope it is only temporary

 

 

 

Allen N5XZ

 

 Original message 

From: Michael Smith  > 

Date: 10/6/17 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00) 

To: Allen Brier N5XZ  > 

Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB  
>, tdxs-list  >, 
n...@mailman.qth.net  , ctd...@kkn.net 
 , qr...@mailman.qth.net   

Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's 
FCC Waiver - just announced 

 

As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver. 

 

N5TGL/KP4,

Michael

 

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ  > wrote:

FYI

 

de N5XZ:

 

 

 

The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the interference this 
activity will cause to other users/activity.

 

ARRL will certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a 
"lack of interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to prevent 
the "end run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently believes that a 
crisis is an opportunity to advance unpopular policies.

 

73,

 

   ... Joe, W4TV

 

 

From: Ted Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com  ] 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM
To: 'Jim Talens'  >
Cc: ab...@htva.net  ; 'Don Greenbaum'  >; 'Allen Brier N5XZ'  >; 'Sam Leslie - W4PK'  >; 'Jeff AC0C'  >; 'Ron Kolarik'  >; w...@aol.com  ; 'Dan 
White'  >; 'Richard Thorne' 
 >; 'Mark Sihlanick' 
 >; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' 
 >; awillar...@yahoo.com 
 ; 'Jim McDonald'  >; 'Tom Morrison'  >; 'Zoya Popovic'  >; 'Terry Gerdes Cell'  >; 'Ed Muns'

[BVARC] SKYWARN TRAINING

2017-10-06 Thread Cameron via BVARC 
FYI:
SKYWARN Training



Time:  Saturday Oct. 28 @ 1 pm (lasts approximately 2 1/2 hours)

Location:  Austin County Courthouse Basement



Open to the public as well as amateur radio operators

Materials will be provided.  Bring pen and paper for notes

RSVP via email to i...@w5sfa.org  
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[BVARC] BVARC Board of Directors Meeting and Greater Houston Hamfest Meeting - Saturday, October 7th, 2017

2017-10-06 Thread Mike Hardwick via BVARC 
 

I apologize for the delay and short notice

 

I know many of you are still working on recovering from Hurricane Harvey. I
will try and keep the meetings short to just get everyone back to their
cleanup. We have to do some basic housekeeping for club business and Hamfest
preparation.  

 

BVARC Board of Directors Meeting9:00
am to 10:30 am 

Greater Houston Hamfest Planning Session 10:30 am to
12:00 noon

 

The meetings will be held at:

 

Bayland Park Community Center

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bayland+Community+Center/@29.6949026,-95.4
988767,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x8640c214fb19542d:0x4e5302897968d2c4!8m2
!3d29.694898!4d-95.496688

6400 Bissonnet Street

Houston, Texas 77074

 

See you there.

 

Mike

N5VCX

 

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Re: [BVARC] BVARC Board of Directors Meeting and Greater Houston Hamfest Meeting - Saturday, October 7th, 2017

2017-10-06 Thread JP Pritchard via BVARC 
See you tomorrow 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2017, at 8:02 PM, Mark Janzer via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> I regretfully will be unable to attend.
> 73
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Mike Hardwick via BVARC  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> I apologize for the delay and short notice
>>  
>> I know many of you are still working on recovering from Hurricane Harvey. I 
>> will try and keep the meetings short to just get everyone back to their 
>> cleanup. We have to do some basic housekeeping for club business and Hamfest 
>> preparation.  
>>  
>> BVARC Board of Directors Meeting9:00 
>> am to 10:30 am
>> Greater Houston Hamfest Planning Session 10:30 am to 
>> 12:00 noon
>>  
>> The meetings will be held at:
>>  
>> Bayland Park Community Center
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bayland+Community+Center/@29.6949026,-95..4988767,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x8640c214fb19542d:0x4e5302897968d2c4!8m2!3d29.694898!4d-95.496688
>> 6400 Bissonnet Street
>> Houston, Texas 77074
>>  
>> See you there.
>>  
>> Mike
>> N5VCX
>>  
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Re: [BVARC] BVARC Board of Directors Meeting and Greater Houston Hamfest Meeting - Saturday, October 7th, 2017

2017-10-06 Thread Mark Janzer via BVARC 
I regretfully will be unable to attend.
73
Mark

> On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Mike Hardwick via BVARC  wrote:
> 
>  
> I apologize for the delay and short notice
>  
> I know many of you are still working on recovering from Hurricane Harvey. I 
> will try and keep the meetings short to just get everyone back to their 
> cleanup. We have to do some basic housekeeping for club business and Hamfest 
> preparation.  
>  
> BVARC Board of Directors Meeting9:00 
> am to 10:30 am
> Greater Houston Hamfest Planning Session 10:30 am to 
> 12:00 noon
>  
> The meetings will be held at:
>  
> Bayland Park Community Center
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bayland+Community+Center/@29.6949026,-95..4988767,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x8640c214fb19542d:0x4e5302897968d2c4!8m2!3d29.694898!4d-95.496688
> 6400 Bissonnet Street
> Houston, Texas 77074
>  
> See you there.
>  
> Mike
> N5VCX
>  
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[BVARC] Fwd: N5MT Tower work Sat Oct 7th

2017-10-06 Thread n5xz via BVARC 




Allen N5XZ
 Original message From: n...@aol.com Date: 10/6/17  8:38 PM  
(GMT-06:00) To: n...@earthlink.net, twi...@gmail.com, tdxs-l...@tdxs.net 
Subject: N5MT Tower work Sat Oct 7th 
Guys
Plans have changed slightly for Sat considering the possibility of rain in the 
morning, which will stop the tower work.  SO the crane has been cancelled BUT 
we will be climbing the tower if it is NOT raining.  
My tower climber Mark will try to get one or the second antenna down so that 
work will not delay us when we get the crane here in a future sat...
SO please come if you had plans or Oct 7th.
The 10 mtr on top will come down easily.
The  20 mtr will be harder and heavier so we will need several of us, not just 
a few.

So thanks.  I will send out an update as necessary for the final takedown and 
update abt tomorrow.
tnx  73 

Mike N5MT
3518 Bellefontaine St
713-417-4727

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Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread n5xz via BVARC 
Still, hope it is only temporary


Allen N5XZ
 Original message From: Michael Smith  
Date: 10/6/17  7:03 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Allen Brier N5XZ  
Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB , tdxs-list 
, n...@mailman.qth.net, ctd...@kkn.net, 
qr...@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" 
- beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced 
As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.
N5TGL/KP4,Michael
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ  wrote:
FYI de N5XZ:   The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the 
interference this activity will cause to other users/activity. ARRL will 
certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a "lack of 
interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to prevent the "end 
run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently believes that a crisis is 
an opportunity to advance unpopular policies. 73,    ... Joe, W4TV  From: Ted 
Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM
To: 'Jim Talens' 
Cc: ab...@htva.net; 'Don Greenbaum' ; 'Allen Brier N5XZ' 
; 'Sam Leslie - W4PK' ; 'Jeff AC0C' 
; 'Ron Kolarik' ; w...@aol.com; 
'Dan White' ; 'Richard Thorne' ; 
'Mark Sihlanick' ; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; 
awillar...@yahoo.com; 'Jim McDonald' ; 'Tom Morrison' 
; 'Zoya Popovic' ; 'Terry Gerdes Cell' 
; 'Ed Muns' ; k...@swva.net; 'Dick Hanson 
K5AND' ; 'Scott Yost' ; 'Jim 
George' ; 'Paul Stroud' ; 'Dick 
Hanson K5AND' ; k0...@k0acp.com
Subject: Lets keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just 
announced We must do all we can to ensure this "temporary" order is only 
temporary- 60 daysand let's hope it does some actual good for those 
suffering in the Caribbean. Let us all beware of those at the league who have 
data ambitions that aim to  push for FCC rules that would allow wideband 
encrypted modems like Pactor 3 and 4 to overtake today's narrowband modes.  
Please spread the word. And.Beware. 73 ted N9NB-- From ARRL 
Newsletter: FCC Grants Temporary Waiver to Permit Higher Symbol Rate Data 
Transmissions  The FCC has granted an ARRL request to waive current Amateur 
Radio rules to permit data transmissions at a higher symbol rate than currently 
permitted, in order to facilitate hurricane relief communications between the 
continental US and Puerto Rico. The temporary waiver is limited to Amateur 
Radio operators in Puerto Rico using PACTOR 3 and PACTOR 4 emissions, and to 
those radio amateurs in the continental US who are directly involved with HF 
hurricane relief communications involving Puerto Rico or the US Virgin Islands, 
the Commission said. "We conclude that granting the requested waiver is in the 
public interest," the FCC said in its October 5 Order. "Hurricane Maria caused 
massive destruction in Puerto Rico, and communication services continue to be 
disrupted. Thus, to accommodate Amateur Radio operators assisting in the 
recovery efforts, we grant the ARRL's waiver request for the period of 60 days 
from the date of this Order." ARRL explained in its waiver petition that it's 
shipping five PACTOR radio modems to Puerto Rico for use in connection with 
Hurricane Maria disaster relief communications. The League asked the FCC to 
temporarily allow PACTOR 3 and PACTOR 4 transmissions that exceed the current 
symbol rate limitations under § 97.307(f) of the Amateur Service rules. Under 
the current rules, "specified digital codes" in Part 97 may be used with a 
symbol rate that does not exceed 300 baud for frequencies below 28 MHz, with 
the exception of 60 meters, and 1200 baud in the 10 meter band. The baud rate 
limits were adopted in 1980, when the FCC amended Part 97 to specify ASCII as a 
permissible digital code. 
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Re: [BVARC] [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just announced

2017-10-06 Thread Paul Noll via BVARC 
There is no reason for concern now. FCC says temporary and I see no reason to 
think otherwise. If there is a problem after 60 days, let's deal with it then. 
Why worry over nothing now ?? Too many other things going on to worry about 
without adding more for no current reason.

My 2 1/2 cents worth.

Paul Noll
KG5MHD
Love your pets, they want and deserve it !!!

> On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:48 AM, n5xz via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> Still, hope it is only temporary
> 
> 
> 
> Allen N5XZ
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Michael Smith 
> Date: 10/6/17 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ 
> Cc: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB , tdxs-list 
> , n...@mailman.qth.net, ctd...@kkn.net, 
> qr...@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] FW: Let’s keep this "temporary" - beware of today's 
> FCC Waiver - just announced
> 
> As one of the hams deployed to PR, I am very happy to see the waiver.
> 
> N5TGL/KP4,
> Michael
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ  wrote:
>> FYI
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> de N5XZ:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The appropriate thing to do is monitor and *document* the interference this 
>> activity will cause to other users/activity.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> ARRL will certainly argue to make the temporary order permanent based on a 
>> "lack of interference", etc.  There must be countervailing evidence to 
>> prevent the "end run".  ARRL, as a former administration, apparently 
>> believes that a crisis is an opportunity to advance unpopular policies.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Ted Rappaport N9NB [mailto:tsrwvc...@aol.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:48 PM
>> To: 'Jim Talens' 
>> Cc: ab...@htva.net; 'Don Greenbaum' ; 'Allen Brier N5XZ' 
>> ; 'Sam Leslie - W4PK' ; 'Jeff AC0C' 
>> ; 'Ron Kolarik' ; 
>> w...@aol.com; 'Dan White' ; 'Richard Thorne' 
>> ; 'Mark Sihlanick' ; 'Joe Subich, 
>> W4TV' ; awillar...@yahoo.com; 'Jim McDonald' 
>> ; 'Tom Morrison' ; 'Zoya Popovic' 
>> ; 'Terry Gerdes Cell' ; 'Ed Muns' 
>> ; k...@swva.net; 'Dick Hanson K5AND' ; 
>> 'Scott Yost' ; 'Jim George' ; 
>> 'Paul Stroud' ; 'Dick Hanson K5AND' ; 
>> k0...@k0acp.com
>> Subject: Lets keep this "temporary" - beware of today's FCC Waiver - just 
>> announced
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We must do all we can to ensure this "temporary" order is only temporary- 60 
>> daysand let's hope it does some actual good for those suffering in the 
>> Caribbean.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Let us all beware of those at the league who have data ambitions that aim to 
>>  push for FCC rules that would allow wideband encrypted modems like Pactor 3 
>> and 4 to overtake today's narrowband modes.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Please spread the word.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And.Beware.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 73 ted N9NB
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From ARRL Newsletter:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> FCC Grants Temporary Waiver to Permit Higher Symbol Rate Data Transmissions
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The FCC has granted an ARRL request to waive current Amateur Radio rules to 
>> permit data transmissions at a higher symbol rate than currently permitted, 
>> in order to facilitate hurricane relief communications between the 
>> continental US and Puerto Rico. The temporary waiver is limited to Amateur 
>> Radio operators in Puerto Rico using PACTOR 3 and PACTOR 4 emissions, and to 
>> those radio amateurs in the continental US who are directly involved with HF 
>> hurricane relief communications involving Puerto Rico or the US Virgin 
>> Islands, the Commission said.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> "We conclude that granting the requested waiver is in the public interest," 
>> the FCC said in its October 5 Order. "Hurricane Maria caused massive 
>> destruction in Puerto Rico, and communication services continue to be 
>> disrupted. Thus, to accommodate Amateur Radio operators assisting in the 
>> recovery efforts, we grant the ARRL's waiver request for the period of 60 
>> days from the date of this Order."
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> ARRL explained in its waiver petition that it's shipping five PACTOR radio 
>> modems to Puerto Rico for use in connection with Hurricane Maria disaster 
>> relief communications. The League asked the FCC to temporarily allow PACTOR 
>> 3 and PACTOR 4 transmissions that exceed the current symbol rate limitations 
>> under § 97.307(f) of the Amateur Service rules.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Under the current rules, "specified digital codes" in Part 97 may be used 
>> with a symbol rate that does not exceed 300 baud for