Filter file type upload
This should fix you up: Nice... thanks... just what I was looking for. Two questions: - if I have multiple form fields and an input type file, CGI.Content_length will be the sum of all values? - is there a way to set up some CGI.Content_length limit via CFML just as you would do with a php.ini or something like that? Thanks - mga ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Image upload en masse
Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Image upload en masse
Zip them up into a big .ZIP file and dump them off on the server. -Novak - Original Message - From: Parker, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
I don't need to stand up for MACR, they can do it themselves, but I have to ask, what do you mean you can't afford CF? You can't afford the free developers edition? If your client can't afford CF, then, as you say, most likely they are 'small guys' - have you considered one of the many CF ISPs? I used Media3 for years and they were quite affordable. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Well, since I can't afford anything MM produces legally, I'm going to have to get BlueDragon next time I get paid. MM just lost another sale, no big loss, but I'm sure the small guys add up too. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Image upload en masse
Thanks for the reply - should have given some more parameters - it will be about 64MB of images so I figure that they won't compress too well so its about a 60MB upload (as one file). There's probably a better chance he can just upload them from the camera as opposed to getting them onto the HD and zipping them - he's more likely to run into strife trying to move one 60MB file as opposed to 80 smaller files. We're making some assumptions here about risks - don't know if anyone on the list has been to India (or is in India) and can give us some better info. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 1:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Image upload en masse Zip them up into a big .ZIP file and dump them off on the server. -Novak - Original Message - From: Parker, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Image upload en masse
have him use ftp or is that too simple?? -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Image upload en masse
That's the obvious and certainly best solution but we're not sure if FTP clients are going to be available from Internet Cafe's in India or if the cafe will allow them to be loaded. As the web is always accessible from cafes then a web based app seemed like a sure thing but I'm open to advice and suggestions. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** -Original Message- From: B.H. Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse have him use ftp or is that too simple?? -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Image upload en masse
The problem, I think, with any web client is whether the point of use (a café for example) will let him put files on the system and then whether they'll let him take them off the system to upload. However if they WILL let him then you might check out services like shutterfly.com or Kodak.com - they're nominally for getting prints of the pictures (perhaps something he might like actually) but can also be used to order CDs of the images or just store them (although each service may charge a small fee for storage). There are other services out there that will do this as well. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: Image upload en masse
i think he needs to consider snail mail. if hes got that big of an upload from a cafe, which im assuming probably not a very good connection there. be a long wait The problem, I think, with any web client is whether the point of use (a café for example) will let him put files on the system and then whether they'll let him take them off the system to upload. However if they WILL let him then you might check out services like shutterfly.com or Kodak.com - they're nominally for getting prints of the pictures (perhaps something he might like actually) but can also be used to order CDs of the images or just store them (although each service may charge a small fee for storage). There are other services out there that will do this as well. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Image upload en masse
have him use the browser to ftp. Instead of using http in the front, he puts ftp in the front. (ie: ftp://yourftpsite he'll need to pass username and password to the site but after he does, all he has to do is drag and drop. for example: ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ie: ftp://myusername:[EMAIL PROTECTED] simple... ?? Try it... do a drag and drop and you'll see how easy it is. -pat- -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse That's the obvious and certainly best solution but we're not sure if FTP clients are going to be available from Internet Cafe's in India or if the cafe will allow them to be loaded. As the web is always accessible from cafes then a web based app seemed like a sure thing but I'm open to advice and suggestions. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** -Original Message- From: B.H. Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse have him use ftp or is that too simple?? -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Session vars not being retained. Any ideas why?
Mike, are you passing along the CFID/CFTOKEN attribute (or URLToken for short) in your links? Peter Tilbrook ColdFusion Applications Developer ColdGen Internet Solutions 4/73 Tharwa Road Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Telephone: +61-2-6284-2727 Mobile: +61-0439-401-823 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] World Wide Web: http:/www.coldgen.com/ == Analust - word meaning a Analyst (like myself) seeking work as an analyst/programmer. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 4:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Session vars not being retained. Any ideas why? Here's another thought. ... when I first talked to my sysadmin he said he didn't have session vars enabled in the CF administrator. Then when I asked again a short while later to confirm, he said they were definitely enabled. (I got him to tell me the settings he had and they were the installation defaults). If he's actually turned them on between times, should he restart the CF Server too or does the administrator enable them immediately when you click update changes? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
Shared hosting doesn't help cost issues when the application is destined for an Intranet since by definition the application needs to be hosted internally. -Matt On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 12:01 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: I don't need to stand up for MACR, they can do it themselves, but I have to ask, what do you mean you can't afford CF? You can't afford the free developers edition? If your client can't afford CF, then, as you say, most likely they are 'small guys' - have you considered one of the many CF ISPs? I used Media3 for years and they were quite affordable. === = === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Well, since I can't afford anything MM produces legally, I'm going to have to get BlueDragon next time I get paid. MM just lost another sale, no big loss, but I'm sure the small guys add up too. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: Filter file type upload
Hmmm. Good question. No clue as to the answer (althought I suspect it's the len of all submitted form fields), but you should be able to test the theory rather easily. You can set a cgi.content_length limit to anything you want. Put a value in application.cfm or somesuch and call it on the form instead of a hardcoded value. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
One major consideration re Blue Dragon, they still do not support all CF Tags. To be fair they are trying to get there but I am concerned that we could get a Smalltalk situation with CFML, a great language side lined by minor but relevant version-vendor differences. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? I don't need to stand up for MACR, they can do it themselves, but I have to ask, what do you mean you can't afford CF? You can't afford the free developers edition? If your client can't afford CF, then, as you say, most likely they are 'small guys' - have you considered one of the many CF ISPs? I used Media3 for years and they were quite affordable. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Well, since I can't afford anything MM produces legally, I'm going to have to get BlueDragon next time I get paid. MM just lost another sale, no big loss, but I'm sure the small guys add up too. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Image upload en masse
Fantastic Solution! Tom At 11:27 PM 9/1/03 -0500, you wrote: have him use the browser to ftp. Instead of using http in the front, he puts ftp in the front. (ie: ftp://yourftpsite he'll need to pass username and password to the site but after he does, all he has to do is drag and drop. for example: ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ie: ftp://myusername:[EMAIL PROTECTED] simple... ?? Try it... do a drag and drop and you'll see how easy it is. -pat- -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse That's the obvious and certainly best solution but we're not sure if FTP clients are going to be available from Internet Cafe's in India or if the cafe will allow them to be loaded. As the web is always accessible from cafes then a web based app seemed like a sure thing but I'm open to advice and suggestions. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** -Original Message- From: B.H. Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse have him use ftp or is that too simple?? -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Image upload en masse
Yes - thanks Tom (and the other guys too) - that's simple to implement and simple to do :-) ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** -Original Message- From: Tom Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 2:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse Fantastic Solution! Tom At 11:27 PM 9/1/03 -0500, you wrote: have him use the browser to ftp. Instead of using http in the front, he puts ftp in the front. (ie: ftp://yourftpsite he'll need to pass username and password to the site but after he does, all he has to do is drag and drop. for example: ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ie: ftp://myusername:[EMAIL PROTECTED] simple... ?? Try it... do a drag and drop and you'll see how easy it is. -pat- -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse That's the obvious and certainly best solution but we're not sure if FTP clients are going to be available from Internet Cafe's in India or if the cafe will allow them to be loaded. As the web is always accessible from cafes then a web based app seemed like a sure thing but I'm open to advice and suggestions. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** -Original Message- From: B.H. Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse have him use ftp or is that too simple?? -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Flash Professional vs. Royale
On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 07:43 US/Pacific, Sparrow-Hood, Walter wrote: Anybody care to comment or have any information the new developer related functionality in Flash Professional vs. what's been promised/hinted re: Royale. Has Rolyale morphed into FlashPro? Royale and Macromedia Flash MX 2004 Professional are very different products. Macromedia Flash MX 2004 Professional adds a lot of developer-related features above and beyond the 'standard' edition (Macromedia Flash MX 2004, which itself contains many enhancements over today's Macromedia Flash MX). There's plenty of information on the macromedia.com website about Flash MX 2004 and Flash MX 2004 Professional: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/ Royale is still in development and you can sign up for notification of more information here: http://www.macromedia.com/go/preview (if memory serves!) Both Macromedia Flash MX 2004 and Macromedia Flash MX 2004 Professional are visual authoring environments. Royale on the other hand is server technology that lets programmers create SWF files using XML. My real concern/question is do I spend the money and time to learn FlashPro if something with even more capability for RIA is coming along before the end of the year? I see Macromedia Flash MX 2004 Professional, Royale and ColdFusion MX all being complimentary tools / technologies that will work well together. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Image upload en masse
Just be prepared for disappointment: browser open to the public are rarely stock. I'd be surprised if FTP traffic were allowed (I'd actually be surprised if a real browser was actually in use at all - most often I see them using some IE wrapper in kiosk mode). I'd have several different options available if I were you. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse Yes - thanks Tom (and the other guys too) - that's simple to implement and simple to do :-) ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** -Original Message- From: Tom Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 2:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse Fantastic Solution! Tom At 11:27 PM 9/1/03 -0500, you wrote: have him use the browser to ftp. Instead of using http in the front, he puts ftp in the front. (ie: ftp://yourftpsite he'll need to pass username and password to the site but after he does, all he has to do is drag and drop. for example: ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ie: ftp://myusername:[EMAIL PROTECTED] simple... ?? Try it... do a drag and drop and you'll see how easy it is. -pat- -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse That's the obvious and certainly best solution but we're not sure if FTP clients are going to be available from Internet Cafe's in India or if the cafe will allow them to be loaded. As the web is always accessible from cafes then a web based app seemed like a sure thing but I'm open to advice and suggestions. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** -Original Message- From: B.H. Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Image upload en masse have him use ftp or is that too simple?? -Original Message- From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Image upload en masse Have a friend who's touring India for about 2 months later this year and is taking his digi camera. Periodically he'll get them dumped to a CD (if he can find a place in India to do that) but as a precaution (in case he loses the camera and the CDs) he wants to dump them on the web. He figures he'll have about 80 images at a time. Picking them one at a time (such as in a CF form) is pretty intensive and he's looking for a way to grab them en masse and upload them. Given that he'll probably be doing this from Internet Cafe's he probably needs to do this via some web app because its unlikely the cafes will have an FTP client loaded or allow one to be loaded. Any suggested approaches please. ** Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com p:+ 61 8 8233 2548 f: +61 8 8233 2282 m: 0418 806 166 ** *** * This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. *** * ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
That is certainly a valid criticism. Although, New Atlanta has stated many times that they aren't trying to compete with Macromedia for customers, but go after customers that Macromedia is about to lose because of platform standardization. In that regard, they don't need to support CFMX tags since their customers only want pre-CFMX CFML applications to work. Obviously, if they want to target CFML developers at large then they are going to need to be compatible with CFMX. -Matt On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 01:10 AM, Mike Brunt wrote: One major consideration re Blue Dragon, they still do not support all CF Tags. To be fair they are trying to get there but I am concerned that we could get a Smalltalk situation with CFML, a great language side lined by minor but relevant version-vendor differences. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? I don't need to stand up for MACR, they can do it themselves, but I have to ask, what do you mean you can't afford CF? You can't afford the free developers edition? If your client can't afford CF, then, as you say, most likely they are 'small guys' - have you considered one of the many CF ISPs? I used Media3 for years and they were quite affordable. === = === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Well, since I can't afford anything MM produces legally, I'm going to have to get BlueDragon next time I get paid. MM just lost another sale, no big loss, but I'm sure the small guys add up too. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
Your definition may not be so cut and dry. If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at public hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). Also, the Intranet is generally one place where you must, as a matter of course, amortize the cost of infrastructure over several projects. A public web application may factor in architecture/hosting costs as part of the project: it's likely that those resources will be dedicated to that project. With an Intranet however it's much more likely that those resources will be leveraged for many projects (billing, defect tracking, internal messaging, time/resource management, etc). This is where CF truly shines because ALL of these projects will see development speed and quality increase. With a single application it can become more difficult to factor the cost of the server. For example let's say I'm bidding on a project. It needs a server and I want to use CF Pro ($1,200). If my hourly rate were $100/hour I would have to predict that I'm able to do the job in 12 hours less time than if I want to make the case that CF is not more expensive. No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a free solution. Of course this is very simplistic and your hourly rate will vary, but remember that it's almost always lower than the real cost. Even if you, as a developer-under-contract only charge $50/hour the project cost may easily be $100/per or much more due once you add in meetings, testing, resource usage (rooms, consumables, etc). For all but the smallest projects (or those where there already exists infrastructure and talent in another tool) the cost of CF is easily absorbed into the project plan with no adverse impact on completion costs. But the key is that you do HAVE to work this out: full business cost and return on investment over the predicted lifespan of the project/infrastructure. Too many companies are penny-wise, pound-foolish when it comes to this stuff (saving $1200 on software to spend an extra $5000 in development is a really common occurrence among small businesses). There's often nothing that we, as consultants can do, but we should at least be comfortable that we've done all we can to explain the realities of development. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Shared hosting doesn't help cost issues when the application is destined for an Intranet since by definition the application needs to be hosted internally. -Matt On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 12:01 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: I don't need to stand up for MACR, they can do it themselves, but I have to ask, what do you mean you can't afford CF? You can't afford the free developers edition? If your client can't afford CF, then, as you say, most likely they are 'small guys' - have you considered one of the many CF ISPs? I used Media3 for years and they were quite affordable. === = === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Well, since I can't afford anything MM produces legally, I'm going to have to get BlueDragon next time I get paid. MM just lost another sale, no big loss, but I'm sure the small guys add up too. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
Matt, good points. I just got back from the 2003 Fusebox conference in Las Vegas. Charlie Areheart (whom I have infinite respect for) was presenting for Blue Dragon and emphasized their goals to bring Blue Dragon into offering the same facilities/tags as CFMX. I hope this really turns out to be a good thing for CF. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? That is certainly a valid criticism. Although, New Atlanta has stated many times that they aren't trying to compete with Macromedia for customers, but go after customers that Macromedia is about to lose because of platform standardization. In that regard, they don't need to support CFMX tags since their customers only want pre-CFMX CFML applications to work. Obviously, if they want to target CFML developers at large then they are going to need to be compatible with CFMX. -Matt On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 01:10 AM, Mike Brunt wrote: One major consideration re Blue Dragon, they still do not support all CF Tags. To be fair they are trying to get there but I am concerned that we could get a Smalltalk situation with CFML, a great language side lined by minor but relevant version-vendor differences. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? I don't need to stand up for MACR, they can do it themselves, but I have to ask, what do you mean you can't afford CF? You can't afford the free developers edition? If your client can't afford CF, then, as you say, most likely they are 'small guys' - have you considered one of the many CF ISPs? I used Media3 for years and they were quite affordable. === = === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Well, since I can't afford anything MM produces legally, I'm going to have to get BlueDragon next time I get paid. MM just lost another sale, no big loss, but I'm sure the small guys add up too. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
Good detailed points Jim, thanks. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Your definition may not be so cut and dry. If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at public hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). Also, the Intranet is generally one place where you must, as a matter of course, amortize the cost of infrastructure over several projects. A public web application may factor in architecture/hosting costs as part of the project: it's likely that those resources will be dedicated to that project. With an Intranet however it's much more likely that those resources will be leveraged for many projects (billing, defect tracking, internal messaging, time/resource management, etc). This is where CF truly shines because ALL of these projects will see development speed and quality increase. With a single application it can become more difficult to factor the cost of the server. For example let's say I'm bidding on a project. It needs a server and I want to use CF Pro ($1,200). If my hourly rate were $100/hour I would have to predict that I'm able to do the job in 12 hours less time than if I want to make the case that CF is not more expensive. No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a free solution. Of course this is very simplistic and your hourly rate will vary, but remember that it's almost always lower than the real cost. Even if you, as a developer-under-contract only charge $50/hour the project cost may easily be $100/per or much more due once you add in meetings, testing, resource usage (rooms, consumables, etc). For all but the smallest projects (or those where there already exists infrastructure and talent in another tool) the cost of CF is easily absorbed into the project plan with no adverse impact on completion costs. But the key is that you do HAVE to work this out: full business cost and return on investment over the predicted lifespan of the project/infrastructure. Too many companies are penny-wise, pound-foolish when it comes to this stuff (saving $1200 on software to spend an extra $5000 in development is a really common occurrence among small businesses). There's often nothing that we, as consultants can do, but we should at least be comfortable that we've done all we can to explain the realities of development. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Shared hosting doesn't help cost issues when the application is destined for an Intranet since by definition the application needs to be hosted internally. -Matt On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 12:01 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: I don't need to stand up for MACR, they can do it themselves, but I have to ask, what do you mean you can't afford CF? You can't afford the free developers edition? If your client can't afford CF, then, as you say, most likely they are 'small guys' - have you considered one of the many CF ISPs? I used Media3 for years and they were quite affordable. === = === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Well, since I can't afford anything MM produces legally, I'm going to have to get BlueDragon next time I get paid. MM just lost another sale, no big loss, but I'm sure the small guys add up too. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe:
Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). I'll agree with that, but certainly the use of certain software e.g. CF could be what tips the scale. If that is the case, then a cheaper implementation of CFML (BlueDragon) can certainly help in that regard. Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at public hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). That may be, but there are serious issues with outsourcing internal IT resources externally that many of these companies may not be aware of. One example of this is that their WAN connection becomes a single point of failure. Then of course there are legality issues related to giving non-employees access to sensitive data that aren't under specific consulting agreements, which is the case when your email is hosted by a 3rd party. No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a free solution. Of course, the case with BlueDragon would only need to save one hour per application. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re[2]: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
just to jump in and stir the pot ;) one of the things that I like most about the latest versions of CF is that you can deploy a war file to a J2EE platform and completely skip the need for a CF license for the client. Now that there are even instructions kicking around on how to get this going with tomcat (which is free) it's even better. Of course it makes life a little annoying for regular updates but if you've finished a site and are just handing it over it's perfect. DISCLAIMER: I'm yet to actually play with this so there could well be horrific problems with it - but the idea is cool ;) cheers, Toby. Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 4:16:18 PM, you wrote: If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). ML I'll agree with that, but certainly the use of certain software e.g. CF ML could be what tips the scale. If that is the case, then a cheaper ML implementation of CFML (BlueDragon) can certainly help in that regard. Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at public hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). ML That may be, but there are serious issues with outsourcing internal IT ML resources externally that many of these companies may not be aware of. ML One example of this is that their WAN connection becomes a single point ML of failure. Then of course there are legality issues related to giving ML non-employees access to sensitive data that aren't under specific ML consulting agreements, which is the case when your email is hosted by a ML 3rd party. No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a free solution. ML Of course, the case with BlueDragon would only need to save one hour ML per application. ML Matt Liotta ML President CEO ML Montara Software, Inc. ML http://www.MontaraSoftware.com ML (888) 408-0900 x901 ML ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
kinda like buying a kia:) it tries to be the real thing but its not, will always be a step behind. i dont even do serious programming but no thanks, i'll take the real deal. you guys are making $100 + an hour, you can fit it in. Its up too you to show the client where it saves them money so they dont do as jim pointed out and waste the money somewhere else. Matt, i bet u dont drive a kia do u? If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). I'll agree with that, but certainly the use of certain software e.g. CF could be what tips the scale. If that is the case, then a cheaper implementation of CFML (BlueDragon) can certainly help in that regard. Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at public hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). That may be, but there are serious issues with outsourcing internal IT resources externally that many of these companies may not be aware of. One example of this is that their WAN connection becomes a single point of failure. Then of course there are legality issues related to giving non-employees access to sensitive data that aren't under specific consulting agreements, which is the case when your email is hosted by a 3rd party. No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a free solution. Of course, the case with BlueDragon would only need to save one hour per application. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
By that logic, you must be running CFMX on top of WebSphere, running on top of an S/390. In the J2EE world there are many vendors all with different offerings and different prices. Certainly you wouldn't avoid using JRun just because it is much cheaper than WebSphere or WebLogic. We CFML developers are now lucky in that we have more than one vendor offering different things at different prices. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
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Load Balancing
Hi I've load balanced my webservers using windows load balancing. Specs of both load balanced servers (Server1 and Server2) are Win2K advanced server CFMX SQL2K (running on third box Server3) My code is replicated between Server1 and Server2. If I shut down one box then second one takes over automatically. And if both are running then traffic is distributed between both (with no intelligence what so ever that which server is doing more work and which less). Problem I am having is that if for some reason IIS services stops or CFMX server crashes (services are started in SERVICES but giving no response) then traffic which is dedicated to that server is still going there and user is getting no response. So all I need is that if for some reason either IIS or CF server is crashed or stopped then either it shuts down the server or it restart that services. I cant set page time out in CFAdmin because some of my apps take about 45 minutes to be completed as they are running backup of some files. I know CFProbe can do that but thats for ClusterCAT which unfortunately I dont have. Any suggetions Thanks Shahzad.Butt Ph: +44 (0) 1992 701 722 Fax: +44 (0) 1992 701 604 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: Session vars not being retained. Any ideas why?
Mike Kear wrote: Can someone else have a look at these pages for me too please make sure it's nothing to do with my browser settings? Took a look and the auth structure was present in all three pages. Tested in both IE 6 and Mozilla 1.5b. I've had an interestingly similiar on a intranet box we install recently running IIS and CF MX 6.1. When using the name of the box provided via WINS IE _always_ lost the session variables. If I use the IP it's fine. I'm currently assuming that IE forgets about the session vars due to a mismatch between IIS's domain name (there isn't one) and the WINS name. Not sure if it's related though, but is bluegrass.org the server you're having the problems on? -- Oliver Tupman Key Systems Geotechnical ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: cfmx 6.1 cfchart
On Monday 01 Sep 2003 17:05 pm, Brook Davies wrote: The JVM that ships with RedSky does not work with CFCHART. ... under some wndows installs. It's fine here in the J2EE version. -- Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.) Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
FIXED: Session vars not being retained. Any ideas why?
Fixed now. The problem was indeed the CFMX6.0 bug that [EMAIL PROTECTED] said last night ... that is a bug in 6.0 that was fixed it 6.1. If you set domain cookies, CF set's a new cfif and cftoken cookie every request. So I took the setdomaincookies=yes out of the CFAPPLICATION tag, and now the sessions stick from page to page, just like they're supposed to! Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Oliver Tupman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 6:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Session vars not being retained. Any ideas why? Mike Kear wrote: Can someone else have a look at these pages for me too please make sure it's nothing to do with my browser settings? Took a look and the auth structure was present in all three pages. Tested in both IE 6 and Mozilla 1.5b. I've had an interestingly similiar on a intranet box we install recently running IIS and CF MX 6.1. When using the name of the box provided via WINS IE _always_ lost the session variables. If I use the IP it's fine. I'm currently assuming that IE forgets about the session vars due to a mismatch between IIS's domain name (there isn't one) and the WINS name. Not sure if it's related though, but is bluegrass.org the server you're having the problems on? -- Oliver Tupman Key Systems Geotechnical ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
CF licensing (was Re: Re[2]: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?)
just to jump in and stir the pot ;) one of the things that I like most about the latest versions of CF is that you can deploy a war file to a J2EE platform and completely skip the need for a CF license for the client. Now that there are even instructions kicking around on how to get this going with tomcat (which is free) it's even better. That is incorrect. You must have a license to CF on each physical server it is deployed to in production. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: Load Balancing
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 09:20 am, Shahzad.Butt wrote: So all I need is that if for some reason either IIS or CF server is crashed or stopped then either it shuts down the server or it restart that services. Seems easy enough - write a batch file that requests a file from your webserver, and if it doesn't get it, stops the service. I use CygWin for stuff like this. -- Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.) Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Load Balancing
How does that batch file know when to be executed. Or shall I schedule every 1 min? which I don't feel is right. Because I want to start the restart the services whenever it crashes not just one off. Also can I have a copy of that batch file (to stop or restart IIS/CFMX services) if someone has written Thanks Shaz -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 September 2003 10:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Load Balancing On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 09:20 am, Shahzad.Butt wrote: So all I need is that if for some reason either IIS or CF server is crashed or stopped then either it shuts down the server or it restart that services. Seems easy enough - write a batch file that requests a file from your webserver, and if it doesn't get it, stops the service. I use CygWin for stuff like this. -- Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.) Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: Load Balancing
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 11:36 am, Shahzad.Butt wrote: How does that batch file know when to be executed. Or shall I schedule every 1 min? which I don't feel is right. Because I want to start the restart the services whenever it crashes not just one off. Providing you can came up with a sequence of commands to tell if it nees to be restarted (something like service running AND cant get http file) knocking up a file should be easy enough. Also can I have a copy of that batch file (to stop or restart IIS/CFMX services) if someone has written Search the achives for 'net stop' and it should turn something up. We run J2EE on Linux, so I dunno myself :-) -- Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.) Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Load Balancing
Net Start Service Name Net Stop Service Name Service Name can be found by looking at the properties of the service in the services control panel in the Administrative Tools. - Calvin - Original Message - From: Shahzad.Butt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: RE: Load Balancing How does that batch file know when to be executed. Or shall I schedule every 1 min? which I don't feel is right. Because I want to start the restart the services whenever it crashes not just one off. Also can I have a copy of that batch file (to stop or restart IIS/CFMX services) if someone has written Thanks Shaz -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 September 2003 10:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Load Balancing On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 09:20 am, Shahzad.Butt wrote: So all I need is that if for some reason either IIS or CF server is crashed or stopped then either it shuts down the server or it restart that services. Seems easy enough - write a batch file that requests a file from your webserver, and if it doesn't get it, stops the service. I use CygWin for stuff like this. -- Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.) Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Load Balancing
Shahzad,
A few pointers:
If you locate the relevant services via the services applet you can
specify files to run on various events including:
First Failure
Second Failure
Subsequent Failures
In addition to specifying a file to execute you can indicate you want
the service automatically restarted.
If you go with the batch file route, its just a matter of using net
start with the appropriate service name e.g.
Net start ColdFusion MX Application Server
You can find the name of the service name by right clicking on the
appropriate service and looking at the general tab.
There are already batch files provided for stopping and starting MX
services:
Start.bat
Stop.bat
Located here:
{cfroot}\bin
André
-Original Message-
From: Shahzad.Butt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 September 2003 11:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Load Balancing
How does that batch file know when to be executed. Or shall I schedule
every 1 min? which I don't feel is right. Because I want to start the
restart the services whenever it crashes not just one off. Also can I
have a copy of that batch file (to stop or restart IIS/CFMX services) if
someone has written
Thanks
Shaz
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 September 2003 10:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Load Balancing
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 09:20 am, Shahzad.Butt wrote:
So all I need is that if for some reason either IIS or CF server is
crashed or stopped then either it shuts down the server or it restart
that services.
Seems easy enough - write a batch file that requests a file from your
webserver, and if it doesn't get it, stops the service.
I use CygWin for stuff like this.
--
Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.)
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
Tel: +44(0)1749 834997
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BlueFinger Limited
Underwood Business Park
Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF
Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900
Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901
web: www.bluefinger.com
Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple
Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG.
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Convert Complex data to string error.
Hi All, Thanks for your suggestions on this problem. The tip on just starting the variable reference off with variables. etc, worked fine. However I also took the advice on not using URL as the variable name and changed it just for good measure. Again, thanks all for your help. Cheers Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Mutiple SQL Inserts
I didn't realize until this project that all of my relational database work was kind of one-dimensional, all of the related tables were built with dropdowns to feed the main table in mind. None of the related tables update information by users. Now I have a project where I need to add several fields to a well-established table in a db. However, only one in 500 new inserts would need these fields, so a related (sub)table is the way to go to save space. The problem is, not one of my references addresses an example of multiple Inserts into a DB. I've thought of two approaches. Is there a best practice? (or something I haven't thought of?) Action_Form Queryinsert info into new related table Queryget row number from new related table Querypass the row number of the new related table to the form and Insert the entire form into main table all in one shot or a series of forms and action pages that kind of step through the transaction. Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Mutiple SQL Inserts
Hi Rick, If I understand you correctly your sub table and main table need to be linked by a shared column or columns so that it is possible to find the row in the sub table that relates to the row in the main table. The first step is to establish what this will be. If (as your post suggests) there is a one to one relationship, you could use the unique key of the main table in the sub table to form the relationship. (In the sub table this is known as the foreign key). From then on things are fairly simple. Assuming you have gathered all the column data from form fields or wherever you can insert into both tables in one transaction as follows Actionpage cftransaction cfquery name=insMainTable insert into mainTable (uniqueKey,...) Values (#uniqueKey#,.) /cfquery cfif the extra fields for sub table exist cfquery name=insSubTable insert into subTable (uniqueKey,...) Values (#uniqueKey#,.) /cfquery /cfif /cftransaction You will probably want to add a try and catch for error handling. HTH Michael Traher Systems Manager ICLP (London) -Original Message- From: Rick Kennerly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 September 2003 13:54 To: CF-Talk Subject: Mutiple SQL Inserts I didn't realize until this project that all of my relational database work was kind of one-dimensional, all of the related tables were built with dropdowns to feed the main table in mind. None of the related tables update information by users. Now I have a project where I need to add several fields to a well-established table in a db. However, only one in 500 new inserts would need these fields, so a related (sub)table is the way to go to save space. The problem is, not one of my references addresses an example of multiple Inserts into a DB. I've thought of two approaches. Is there a best practice? (or something I haven't thought of?) Action_Form Queryinsert info into new related table Queryget row number from new related table Querypass the row number of the new related table to the form and Insert the entire form into main table all in one shot or a series of forms and action pages that kind of step through the transaction. Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: machII(too much)
But then it dawned on me that maybe the debug output was causing the higher times. Does anyone know the name of this effect. Where you change the environment you are measuring? I'm sure is has a name. Ade -Original Message- From: Mark Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: machII(too much) That's what I was saying last week, but not so fast... To get the fast times, you need to turn off the debug output and then you'll see those times *drastically* reduced. I was banging my head against the wall last week not understanding why a simple contact manager would take 500 - 1000ms (according to cfmx debug output). But then it dawned on me that maybe the debug output was causing the higher times. Sure enough, that's what it was. I'm now consistently getting 50 - 100ms rendering times. I would like to see some benchmark times on larger applications though. Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Mutiple SQL Inserts
I don't get it about your db design/structure. Let's call Main Table (Parent) and Related Table(s) (Child/Children). In that case, a child is dependent on its parent and the degree of that dependency (cardinality) is determined by the relationship (chiefly mandatory or optional). Therefore, before we 'add a child', we got to know who the child belongs to (parentID), so as to include parent data with child data during child data insertion/capture. From you what described, you wanted to reverse it in the data capturing process, hmm? I don't know how this function works. Having said that, as for information retrieval, things could be very dynamic. Li, Chunshen (Don) http://68.32.61.40/datadata/dataman.cfm I didn't realize until this project that all of my relational database work was kind of one-dimensional, all of the related tables were built with dropdowns to feed the main table in mind. None of the related tables update information by users. Now I have a project where I need to add several fields to a well-established table in a db. However, only one in 500 new inserts would need these fields, so a related (sub)table is the way to go to save space. The problem is, not one of my references addresses an example of multiple Inserts into a DB. I've thought of two approaches. Is there a best practice? (or something I haven't thought of?) Action_Form Queryinsert info into new related table Queryget row number from new related table Querypass the row number of the new related table to the form and Insert the entire form into main table all in one shot or a series of forms and action pages that kind of step through the transaction. Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: Mutiple SQL Inserts
If you're using MS SQL Server 2k you can use an identity column in the related table and use the scope_identity() function to return the value inserted into the column from a stored procedure. That's the most efficient way if you're using SQL Server 2000... If you're using Oracle or another DB that supports SQL standard sequences, you can do the same thing, but use a sequence instead. Unless you just want to make the foreign key in this other table _also_ the primary key for that table... In which case, you insert the related table after inserting into the primary table. But still use one of the above methods to get the primary key id from the pimary table if it's not known prior to the insert. Otherwise, use createuuid() in your cfml to create a 35 character varchar identity for the record so you know your identity before the insert. The problem with multiple form pages is that they tend to piss users off... they want everything on one page (and why not, I do :) ... The problem with a separate query to get the row number from either the related table or the primary table is that it's contrary to scaling -- the larger your database is, the longer it takes to perform that operation. hth s. isaac dealey972-490-6624 team macromedia volunteer http://www.macromedia.com/go/team chief architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to onTap is open source http://www.turnkey.to/ontap I didn't realize until this project that all of my relational database work was kind of one-dimensional, all of the related tables were built with dropdowns to feed the main table in mind. None of the related tables update information by users. Now I have a project where I need to add several fields to a well-established table in a db. However, only one in 500 new inserts would need these fields, so a related (sub)table is the way to go to save space. The problem is, not one of my references addresses an example of multiple Inserts into a DB. I've thought of two approaches. Is there a best practice? (or something I haven't thought of?) Action_Form Queryinsert info into new related table Queryget row number from new related table Querypass the row number of the new related table to the form and Insert the entire form into main table all in one shot or a series of forms and action pages that kind of step through the transaction. Rick ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubsc ribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: CF usage growing or shrinking? (was DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? )
I do a lot of work with the federal government. In fact, I was on a team that developed a Flash/CF app that has been deployed globally throughout the Airforce, Army, DOT, DOE, and DOJ, and many other Gov. agencies. I have worked in the classisfied and non-classisfied areas back in Washington DC, Virginia, even at bases in Hawaii. Later this year I am headed to Europe to do some work at some military installations there...and I see CF everywhere! It really has taken off in the intranets; in applications that aren't even on the internet, such as mine. --Josh Hey Josh, Do we have to shoot you now? :-) How did you address Section 508 with your Flash/CF app? George [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
SUBMIT button
Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. This one works fine: input type=submit value=delete name=delete src=images/delete_record.gif But is displays the old looking default SUBMIT button. Robert O. HWW ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: SUBMIT button
Pass a hidden field called delete with that value, and rename your submit one to something else... On 2/9/03 15:35, Robert Orlini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. This one works fine: input type=submit value=delete name=delete src=images/delete_record.gif But is displays the old looking default SUBMIT button. Robert O. HWW ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
-Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). I'll agree with that, but certainly the use of certain software e.g. CF could be what tips the scale. If that is the case, then a cheaper implementation of CFML (BlueDragon) can certainly help in that regard. It definitely has an effect, but in most cases (and certainly not in CF's case) the cost of software is very small compared to maintenance and general infrastructure costs. Even managing a small, single Intranet server using free software can be (often surprisingly) very costly once you do a full resource map/prediction - especially when extended to the life of the server. All that being said every little bit does help. ;^) If software costs are lower then you total project costs COULD definitely be lower (but often aren't due to other factors not commonly taken into account). Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at public hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). That may be, but there are serious issues with outsourcing internal IT resources externally that many of these companies may not be aware of. One example of this is that their WAN connection becomes a single point of failure. Then of course there are legality issues related to giving non-employees access to sensitive data that aren't under specific consulting agreements, which is the case when your email is hosted by a 3rd party. All true - this all depends, of course, on how much the company wants to spend as well. If you want to get away more cheaply you'll be sacrificing some things. A full bullet-proof system will always cost more. No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a free solution. Of course, the case with BlueDragon would only need to save one hour per application. True. I'm not arguing against Blue Dragon but rather the concept that software costs (at this level) are major considerations. Too many times I've heard we can't afford CF only to watch a company spends thousands more pursuing an untried free solution. The problem here is almost always one of training and applicability. A company that has great Linux/PostGres/PHP people will, of course, use them. But a company looking for a solution often gravitates to free software due to cost concerns. Developers are then in the position of learning these tools as they develop - which ends up costing far, far more in the long run than setting up, for example, a Windows environment that they may have some experience with. For a medium/large company this isn't a problem as the extra time can be split with RD/Training and down the road you do gain. But for the very small company this often locks them into a money-pit; tying them into a solution they don't know and resulting either in a failed project or one that doesn't meet expectations. Many of them are roped in by contractors that claim they can pick up something easily. My advice to small business is always stick with what you know and always pay extra for gurus. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
CF usage growing or shrinking? (was DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? )
I agree with Stacy on this point. Over the last 3 months in my experiance, I've seen more of a willingness to go with a CF solution. Before that, there was very little activity. But the coversation has not been one about technology, rather its about practicalities. Quite a few have been burned with never-ending development projects using the latest technologies such as pure J2EE and .net. When people learn they can have the the engine (and potentally the functionality if needed) a Hummer at the cost of a Honda Civic, all of the sudden people begin to listen. They need to check the J2EE or .net box. What people want is software developed in a reasonable time that works and can fix without having to break the bank. It turns out people are shying away from complex hard to manage and maintain solutions. Jeremy Brodie Intelix an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company web: http://www.edgewater.com phone:(703) 815-2500 nasdaq symbol: EDGE I'd bet that with cfmx 7 they're going to really gear it for medium to large biz. Support for managing CF in clusters, auto deployment etc...maybe a bigger price tag. Higher revenue with perhaps slightly smaller market in terms of install base. Just a guess Stace ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: SUBMIT button
Robert Orlini wrote: Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. I'm assuming you're not getting the variable 'delete' set, in this case it's probably IE doing what you don't expect. I think IE doesn't send the 'delete' value, but delete_x and delete_y which contain the (x,y) where the user clicked. -- Oliver Tupman Key Systems Geotechnical ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
BlueDragon - RedHat 9
I'm working on a migration plan for a Linux server I manage... and while it is logical for us to move to RedHat 9 at this time, we are also looking at BlueDragon --and it does not appear that it supports this version of Linux. Has anybody installed it successfully on this OS? What about later versions of Apache (they recommend 1.3.27) Thank you for your advice! -- Jillian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: BlueDragon - RedHat 9
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 16:02 pm, Jillian Carroll wrote: Has anybody installed it successfully on this OS? What about later versions of Apache (they recommend 1.3.27) If it's only the Apache that is the sticking point, go get a copy of ApacheTool box and roll your own (rpm) of Apache 1.3, as RH9 ships with 2.0. -- Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.) Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: SUBMIT button
Robert: INPUT fields of type Image do not pass a value as defined by the VALUE attribute. Instead, they pass 2 values, defined by the NAME attribute. The values passed are name.x and name.y each value corresponding to the X or Y coordinate of the point on the image where the user click the mouse. So, for example, if a user clicked dead center on the image produced by: INPUT TYPE=image SRC=images/delete_record.gif NAME=delete WIDTH=100 HEIGHT=100 Your action page would see delete.x and delete.y, both of which would contain the value 50. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SUBMIT button Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. This one works fine: input type=submit value=delete name=delete src=images/delete_record.gif But is displays the old looking default SUBMIT button. Robert O. HWW ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? What's the idea, just read it into a variable then output it? I'm seeing these rss feeds springing up all over the place, and I wanted to jump into it and play around, but all I seemed to be able to dig up was consuming them in FlashMX, not much info on using them with CFMX. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
Jeff wrote: I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? Yes. What's the idea, just read it into a variable then output it? That is one option. Which problem would you want an RSS feed to solve for you? Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: SUBMIT button
oi Mosh!! uh, don't the name.x and name.y hold the pixel location of the actual click? -- Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:12:45 AM, you wrote: MT Robert: MT INPUT fields of type Image do not pass a value as defined by the VALUE MT attribute. Instead, they pass 2 values, defined by the NAME attribute. The MT values passed are name.x and name.y each value corresponding to the X or MT Y coordinate of the point on the image where the user click the mouse. So, MT for example, if a user clicked dead center on the image produced by: MT INPUT TYPE=image MT SRC=images/delete_record.gif MT NAME=delete MT WIDTH=100 HEIGHT=100 MT Your action page would see delete.x and delete.y, both of which would MT contain the value 50. MT -- MT Mosh Teitelbaum MT evoch, LLC MT Tel: (301) 942-5378 MT Fax: (301) 933-3651 MT Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MT WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SUBMIT button Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. This one works fine: input type=submit value=delete name=delete src=images/delete_record.gif But is displays the old looking default SUBMIT button. Robert O. HWW MT ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
Jeff, This article should help you, it was recently featured in the ColdFusion Developers Journal: http://www.sys-con.com/coldfusion/article.cfm?id=635 It deals with Parsing RSS Feeds Using ColdFusion, and it's very well written. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 2, 2003 9:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages? I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? What's the idea, just read it into a variable then output it? I'm seeing these rss feeds springing up all over the place, and I wanted to jump into it and play around, but all I seemed to be able to dig up was consuming them in FlashMX, not much info on using them with CFMX. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/12/18/dive-into-xml.html Massimo Foti Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer http://www.massimocorner.com/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
My browser startup page runs off of CFMX that has a number of RSS feeds in boxes. Consuming RSS is really extremely easy in MX, just invoke the RSS document via CFHTTP and CFDUMP the #cfhttp.filecontent# variable to see what you have to work with. You'll just parse it like any other XML document, and since RSS is a standard format, you can build an aggregator and pass in any RSS URL you want - which is what I'm doing. - Jim Jeff wrote: I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? What's the idea, just read it into a variable then output it? I'm seeing these rss feeds springing up all over the place, and I wanted to jump into it and play around, but all I seemed to be able to dig up was consuming them in FlashMX, not much info on using them with CFMX. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: CF usage growing or shrinking? (was DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? )
I agree with Matt. I think the reason PHP numbers are growing so rapidly is the smaller sites. I mean real small. The One man online business, the my blog page, and the like. Those pages get counted too and are springing up as fast as someone's static IP cable modem is plugged in. I'm sure PHP is growing in the enterprise but I think it still has a while before it overtakes CF in mid/large company's and especially intranets, where I also agree it has a very strong presence. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF usage growing or shrinking? (was DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? ) Basically, it states that PHP - normally thought of as a LAMP product - is growing very quickly on Windows, and - if the current rate keeps up - will overtake CF as the second most popular Windows scripting language (behind ASP, of course) sometime next year. While Netcraft doesn't troll corporate intranets and such (where I believe CF has good foothold), it still doesn't bode well for CF in general. As much as I would like to use Netcraft's statistics as reason for people to consider Apache over IIS, I don't believe their statistics matter much to mid-size and larger companies. I say this because while it is clear that Apache is the most widely deployed web server across the Internet, I believe IIS is the most widely deployed web server across mid-size and larger companies. That is not to say that Apache doesn't have a large market share for these companies, but it is an important point to ponder. In the case of PHP, there is no doubt that PHP is widely used across the Internet, but I believe its usage is very small in mid-size and larger companies. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: machII(too much)
Perhaps you thinking of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle. André -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 September 2003 14:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: machII(too much) But then it dawned on me that maybe the debug output was causing the higher times. Does anyone know the name of this effect. Where you change the environment you are measuring? I'm sure is has a name. Ade -Original Message- From: Mark Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: machII(too much) That's what I was saying last week, but not so fast... To get the fast times, you need to turn off the debug output and then you'll see those times *drastically* reduced. I was banging my head against the wall last week not understanding why a simple contact manager would take 500 - 1000ms (according to cfmx debug output). But then it dawned on me that maybe the debug output was causing the higher times. Sure enough, that's what it was. I'm now consistently getting 50 - 100ms rendering times. I would like to see some benchmark times on larger applications though. Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Mutiple SQL Inserts
No help whatsoever but for future reference: This arrangement is sometimes referred to as a Vertical Partition as opposed to Horizontal Partitions which is what you might use for archiving data etc. Vertical Partitions are definitely worth considering for saving space if the circumstances are as you describe. The most convenient way to deal with them is to create a database view - preferably and updatable view that joins the two tables. Then you just perform the single insert/update on the view as normal. André -Original Message- From: Rick Kennerly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 September 2003 13:54 To: CF-Talk Subject: Mutiple SQL Inserts I didn't realize until this project that all of my relational database work was kind of one-dimensional, all of the related tables were built with dropdowns to feed the main table in mind. None of the related tables update information by users. Now I have a project where I need to add several fields to a well-established table in a db. However, only one in 500 new inserts would need these fields, so a related (sub)table is the way to go to save space. The problem is, not one of my references addresses an example of multiple Inserts into a DB. I've thought of two approaches. Is there a best practice? (or something I haven't thought of?) Action_Form Queryinsert info into new related table Queryget row number from new related table Querypass the row number of the new related table to the form and Insert the entire form into main table all in one shot or a series of forms and action pages that kind of step through the transaction. Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
There is another question in the whole Bluedragon debate. How many of us would move our site(s) to a hosting company using BD instead of MM ColdFusion? Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). I'll agree with that, but certainly the use of certain software e.g. CF could be what tips the scale. If that is the case, then a cheaper implementation of CFML (BlueDragon) can certainly help in that regard. It definitely has an effect, but in most cases (and certainly not in CF's case) the cost of software is very small compared to maintenance and general infrastructure costs. Even managing a small, single Intranet server using free software can be (often surprisingly) very costly once you do a full resource map/prediction - especially when extended to the life of the server. All that being said every little bit does help. ;^) If software costs are lower then you total project costs COULD definitely be lower (but often aren't due to other factors not commonly taken into account). Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at public hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). That may be, but there are serious issues with outsourcing internal IT resources externally that many of these companies may not be aware of. One example of this is that their WAN connection becomes a single point of failure. Then of course there are legality issues related to giving non-employees access to sensitive data that aren't under specific consulting agreements, which is the case when your email is hosted by a 3rd party. All true - this all depends, of course, on how much the company wants to spend as well. If you want to get away more cheaply you'll be sacrificing some things. A full bullet-proof system will always cost more. No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a free solution. Of course, the case with BlueDragon would only need to save one hour per application. True. I'm not arguing against Blue Dragon but rather the concept that software costs (at this level) are major considerations. Too many times I've heard we can't afford CF only to watch a company spends thousands more pursuing an untried free solution. The problem here is almost always one of training and applicability. A company that has great Linux/PostGres/PHP people will, of course, use them. But a company looking for a solution often gravitates to free software due to cost concerns. Developers are then in the position of learning these tools as they develop - which ends up costing far, far more in the long run than setting up, for example, a Windows environment that they may have some experience with. For a medium/large company this isn't a problem as the extra time can be split with RD/Training and down the road you do gain. But for the very small company this often locks them into a money-pit; tying them into a solution they don't know and resulting either in a failed project or one that doesn't meet expectations. Many of them are roped in by contractors that claim they can pick up something easily. My advice to small business is always stick with what you know and always pay extra for gurus. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
Do such places exist? -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? There is another question in the whole Bluedragon debate. How many of us would move our site(s) to a hosting company using BD instead of MM ColdFusion? Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). I'll agree with that, but certainly the use of certain software e.g. CF could be what tips the scale. If that is the case, then a cheaper implementation of CFML (BlueDragon) can certainly help in that regard. It definitely has an effect, but in most cases (and certainly not in CF's case) the cost of software is very small compared to maintenance and general infrastructure costs. Even managing a small, single Intranet server using free software can be (often surprisingly) very costly once you do a full resource map/prediction - especially when extended to the life of the server. All that being said every little bit does help. ;^) If software costs are lower then you total project costs COULD definitely be lower (but often aren't due to other factors not commonly taken into account). Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at public hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). That may be, but there are serious issues with outsourcing internal IT resources externally that many of these companies may not be aware of. One example of this is that their WAN connection becomes a single point of failure. Then of course there are legality issues related to giving non-employees access to sensitive data that aren't under specific consulting agreements, which is the case when your email is hosted by a 3rd party. All true - this all depends, of course, on how much the company wants to spend as well. If you want to get away more cheaply you'll be sacrificing some things. A full bullet-proof system will always cost more. No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a free solution. Of course, the case with BlueDragon would only need to save one hour per application. True. I'm not arguing against Blue Dragon but rather the concept that software costs (at this level) are major considerations. Too many times I've heard we can't afford CF only to watch a company spends thousands more pursuing an untried free solution. The problem here is almost always one of training and applicability. A company that has great Linux/PostGres/PHP people will, of course, use them. But a company looking for a solution often gravitates to free software due to cost concerns. Developers are then in the position of learning these tools as they develop - which ends up costing far, far more in the long run than setting up, for example, a Windows environment that they may have some experience with. For a medium/large company this isn't a problem as the extra time can be split with RD/Training and down the road you do gain. But for the very small company this often locks them into a money-pit; tying them into a solution they don't know and resulting either in a failed project or one that doesn't meet expectations. Many of them are roped in by contractors that claim they can pick up something easily. My advice to small business is always stick with what you know and always pay extra for gurus. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: SUBMIT button
Hi, You need to refer to the button as form.delete.x rather than just form.delete. For example if you were checking to see if the form had been submitted you might use: cfif IsDefined(form.delete.x) Best regards, Michael Wilson -Original Message- From: Oliver Tupman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SUBMIT button Robert Orlini wrote: Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: CF usage growing or shrinking? (was DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? )
Good points and here are more. I just got back from Fusebox 2003 in Las Vegas; in terms of new versions-items this was the best Fusebox conference since Fusebox was launched. Fusebox 4.0 and Mach II are both very powerful frameworks. Fusebox 4.0 is for those staying with the procedural methodology of classic CF applications. Mach II along with CFMX 6.1 really opens us up to the power of CFC's. I encourage all to talk a look. http://www.fusebox.org/ for Fusebox 4.0 http://www.mach-ii.com for Mach II Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Jeremy Brodie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF usage growing or shrinking? (was DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? ) I agree with Stacy on this point. Over the last 3 months in my experiance, I've seen more of a willingness to go with a CF solution. Before that, there was very little activity. But the coversation has not been one about technology, rather its about practicalities. Quite a few have been burned with never-ending development projects using the latest technologies such as pure J2EE and .net. When people learn they can have the the engine (and potentally the functionality if needed) a Hummer at the cost of a Honda Civic, all of the sudden people begin to listen. They need to check the J2EE or .net box. What people want is software developed in a reasonable time that works and can fix without having to break the bank. It turns out people are shying away from complex hard to manage and maintain solutions. Jeremy Brodie Intelix an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company web: http://www.edgewater.com phone:(703) 815-2500 nasdaq symbol: EDGE I'd bet that with cfmx 7 they're going to really gear it for medium to large biz. Support for managing CF in clusters, auto deployment etc...maybe a bigger price tag. Higher revenue with perhaps slightly smaller market in terms of install base. Just a guess Stace ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
on 9/2/03 11:19 AM, Jochem van Dieten at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff wrote: I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? Yes. What's the idea, just read it into a variable then output it? That is one option. Which problem would you want an RSS feed to solve for you? I was looking here: http://news.yahoo.com/rss/ And I thought it'd be cool to maybe display a couple of the top headlines from a couple of the feeds in a little table cell someplace on a page, linking to the story in a new window... This seems easy enough, but I have zero experience with both XML and rss, so I was just wondering what a 'best practices' approach was to it, and what others did or didn't do when using those things. They seem cool and normally, during the course of a day, we don't have a single client who'd do *anything* with this stuff, so I was just going to jump in and try to play with it for absolutely no reason, except to learn how to do it. Maybe I'll wind up with something cool that someone will say, hey, can you do that on our site? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
HTML to PDF?
Hello all, I have a project that requires the conversion of HTML files to PDF. I see a couple on the Dev Exchange, but it is not clear if these can take an actual file on the server and convert to a PDF file stored on the server. I see a few that say they convert any dynamic page into PDF, but that would leave me without an actual hard file on the server. Thanks all, -chris.alvarado [ application developer ] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. http://www.4guys.com http://www.4guys.com/ phone: 281.807.4344 x1716 fax: 281.807.4384 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
Oops, that should say to XMLParse() the cfhttp.filecontent variable, then CFDUMP it. :-\ - Jim Jim Campbell wrote: My browser startup page runs off of CFMX that has a number of RSS feeds in boxes. Consuming RSS is really extremely easy in MX, just invoke the RSS document via CFHTTP and CFDUMP the #cfhttp.filecontent# variable to see what you have to work with. You'll just parse it like any other XML document, and since RSS is a standard format, you can build an aggregator and pass in any RSS URL you want - which is what I'm doing. - Jim Jeff wrote: I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? What's the idea, just read it into a variable then output it? I'm seeing these rss feeds springing up all over the place, and I wanted to jump into it and play around, but all I seemed to be able to dig up was consuming them in FlashMX, not much info on using them with CFMX. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: HTML to PDF?
Give cf_html2pdf3 a shot (do a quick Google search for it) Works very well at converting both dynamic and static HTML to PDF files. Matt -Original Message- From: Chris Alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: HTML to PDF? Hello all, I have a project that requires the conversion of HTML files to PDF. I see a couple on the Dev Exchange, but it is not clear if these can take an actual file on the server and convert to a PDF file stored on the server. I see a few that say they convert any dynamic page into PDF, but that would leave me without an actual hard file on the server. Thanks all, -chris.alvarado [ application developer ] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. http://www.4guys.com http://www.4guys.com/ phone: 281.807.4344 x1716 fax: 281.807.4384 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: SUBMIT button
Isn't that what I said? -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SUBMIT button oi Mosh!! uh, don't the name.x and name.y hold the pixel location of the actual click? -- Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:12:45 AM, you wrote: MT Robert: MT INPUT fields of type Image do not pass a value as defined by the VALUE MT attribute. Instead, they pass 2 values, defined by the NAME attribute. The MT values passed are name.x and name.y each value corresponding to the X or MT Y coordinate of the point on the image where the user click the mouse. So, MT for example, if a user clicked dead center on the image produced by: MT INPUT TYPE=image MT SRC=images/delete_record.gif MT NAME=delete MT WIDTH=100 HEIGHT=100 MT Your action page would see delete.x and delete.y, both of which would MT contain the value 50. MT -- MT Mosh Teitelbaum MT evoch, LLC MT Tel: (301) 942-5378 MT Fax: (301) 933-3651 MT Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MT WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SUBMIT button Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. This one works fine: input type=submit value=delete name=delete src=images/delete_record.gif But is displays the old looking default SUBMIT button. Robert O. HWW MT ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: CF usage growing or shrinking? (was DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? )
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 16:28 pm, John Wilker wrote: I'm sure PHP is growing in the enterprise but I think it still has a while before it overtakes CF in mid/large company's and especially intranets, where I also Not if they keep breaking random bits of the code with their point releases it wont. -- Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.) Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
on 9/2/03 11:19 AM, Jillian Carroll at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, This article should help you, it was recently featured in the ColdFusion Developers Journal: http://www.sys-con.com/coldfusion/article.cfm?id=635 It deals with Parsing RSS Feeds Using ColdFusion, and it's very well written. -- Jillian *that's* exactly what I was looking for. Somewhere in the back of my head, a little voice said, you just saw something about this somewhere...think hard... Thank you so much! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Flash Professional vs. Royale
Sean, Do you know if anything that is currently in Flash MX is not in the basic Flash MX 2004 and only in Pro, or is Pro all new features? -Kevin - Original Message - From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Flash Professional vs. Royale On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 07:43 US/Pacific, Sparrow-Hood, Walter wrote: Anybody care to comment or have any information the new developer related functionality in Flash Professional vs. what's been promised/hinted re: Royale. Has Rolyale morphed into FlashPro? Royale and Macromedia Flash MX 2004 Professional are very different products. Macromedia Flash MX 2004 Professional adds a lot of developer-related features above and beyond the 'standard' edition (Macromedia Flash MX 2004, which itself contains many enhancements over today's Macromedia Flash MX). There's plenty of information on the macromedia.com website about Flash MX 2004 and Flash MX 2004 Professional: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/ Royale is still in development and you can sign up for notification of more information here: http://www.macromedia.com/go/preview (if memory serves!) Both Macromedia Flash MX 2004 and Macromedia Flash MX 2004 Professional are visual authoring environments. Royale on the other hand is server technology that lets programmers create SWF files using XML. My real concern/question is do I spend the money and time to learn FlashPro if something with even more capability for RIA is coming along before the end of the year? I see Macromedia Flash MX 2004 Professional, Royale and ColdFusion MX all being complimentary tools / technologies that will work well together. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: HTML to PDF?
oi Chris!! you can use activePDF, i know it creates the files on the server ctz -- Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:39:39 AM, you wrote: CA Hello all, CA I have a project that requires the conversion of HTML files to PDF. I CA see a couple on the Dev Exchange, but it is not clear if these can take CA an actual file on the server and convert to a PDF file stored on the CA server. I see a few that say they convert any dynamic page into PDF, but CA that would leave me without an actual hard file on the server. CA Thanks all, CA -chris.alvarado CA [ application developer ] CA 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. CA http://www.4guys.com http://www.4guys.com/ CA phone: 281.807.4344 x1716 CA fax: 281.807.4384 CA ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Flash Professional vs. Royale
You may lose some components if you just upgrade to Flash MX 2004 (not pro) that you had with Flash MX (or Flash MX + DRK). TreeView, DataGrid, Calendar, and Accordian are Pro only (as well as some brand new components like Menu). That's the only thing I can think of, everything else is new.. (screens, editing external as files, source control). HTH, Sam -- Blog: http://www.rewindlife.com Chart: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting -- -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Professional vs. Royale Sean, Do you know if anything that is currently in Flash MX is not in the basic Flash MX 2004 and only in Pro, or is Pro all new features? -Kevin ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Load Testing Tools
Can anybody recommend a relatively simple and hopefully inexpensive load testing tool that could be used to check a new CF built site. Preferably something that we can try before buying. Thanks. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource Sacramento, CA ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
oi Jeff!! i sent you email with a link off list. might assist you. Crit -- Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:33:53 AM, you wrote: J on 9/2/03 11:19 AM, Jochem van Dieten at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff wrote: I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? Yes. What's the idea, just read it into a variable then output it? That is one option. Which problem would you want an RSS feed to solve for you? J I was looking here: J http://news.yahoo.com/rss/ J And I thought it'd be cool to maybe display a couple of the top headlines J from a couple of the feeds in a little table cell someplace on a page, J linking to the story in a new window... J This seems easy enough, but I have zero experience with both XML and rss, so J I was just wondering what a 'best practices' approach was to it, and what J others did or didn't do when using those things. They seem cool and J normally, during the course of a day, we don't have a single client who'd do J *anything* with this stuff, so I was just going to jump in and try to play J with it for absolutely no reason, except to learn how to do it. Maybe I'll J wind up with something cool that someone will say, hey, can you do that on J our site? J ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: SUBMIT button
oi Mosh!! ah missed the dead center bit. my bad -- Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:42:16 AM, you wrote: MT Isn't that what I said? MT -- MT Mosh Teitelbaum MT evoch, LLC MT Tel: (301) 942-5378 MT Fax: (301) 933-3651 MT Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MT WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SUBMIT button oi Mosh!! uh, don't the name.x and name.y hold the pixel location of the actual click? -- Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:12:45 AM, you wrote: MT Robert: MT INPUT fields of type Image do not pass a value as defined by the VALUE MT attribute. Instead, they pass 2 values, defined by the NAME attribute. The MT values passed are name.x and name.y each value corresponding to the X or MT Y coordinate of the point on the image where the user click the mouse. So, MT for example, if a user clicked dead center on the image produced by: MT INPUT TYPE=image MT SRC=images/delete_record.gif MT NAME=delete MT WIDTH=100 HEIGHT=100 MT Your action page would see delete.x and delete.y, both of which would MT contain the value 50. MT -- MT Mosh Teitelbaum MT evoch, LLC MT Tel: (301) 942-5378 MT Fax: (301) 933-3651 MT Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MT WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SUBMIT button Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. This one works fine: input type=submit value=delete name=delete src=images/delete_record.gif But is displays the old looking default SUBMIT button. Robert O. HWW MT MT ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: HTML to PDF?
Use the CF_HTML2PDF3 will do just that. You can set it to convert any dynamic/static HTML file or even a CFM file to PDF. You specify where you want the file stored. Store it on the server to be used at anytime you want. I keep the files active for 24 hours then deletes them. This way it does not bog down the server with useless files. It is very easy to use and setup. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/02/03 11:39AM Hello all, I have a project that requires the conversion of HTML files to PDF. I see a couple on the Dev Exchange, but it is not clear if these can take an actual file on the server and convert to a PDF file stored on the server. I see a few that say they convert any dynamic page into PDF, but that would leave me without an actual hard file on the server. Thanks all, -chris.alvarado [ application developer ] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. http://www.4guys.com http://www.4guys.com/ phone: 281.807.4344 x1716 fax: 281.807.4384 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: SUBMIT button
No problem 8^). -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SUBMIT button oi Mosh!! ah missed the dead center bit. my bad -- Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:42:16 AM, you wrote: MT Isn't that what I said? MT -- MT Mosh Teitelbaum MT evoch, LLC MT Tel: (301) 942-5378 MT Fax: (301) 933-3651 MT Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MT WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SUBMIT button oi Mosh!! uh, don't the name.x and name.y hold the pixel location of the actual click? -- Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:12:45 AM, you wrote: MT Robert: MT INPUT fields of type Image do not pass a value as defined by the VALUE MT attribute. Instead, they pass 2 values, defined by the NAME attribute. The MT values passed are name.x and name.y each value corresponding to the X or MT Y coordinate of the point on the image where the user click the mouse. So, MT for example, if a user clicked dead center on the image produced by: MTINPUT TYPE=image MTSRC=images/delete_record.gif MTNAME=delete MTWIDTH=100 HEIGHT=100 MT Your action page would see delete.x and delete.y, both of which would MT contain the value 50. MT -- MT Mosh Teitelbaum MT evoch, LLC MT Tel: (301) 942-5378 MT Fax: (301) 933-3651 MT Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MT WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SUBMIT button Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. This one works fine: input type=submit value=delete name=delete src=images/delete_record.gif But is displays the old looking default SUBMIT button. Robert O. HWW MT MT ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: Load Testing Tools
Paessler has some nice tools : pretty cheap, great functionalities and very easy to use. Webserver Stress Tool : http://www.paessler.com/webstress You can download a trial version. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com PS : IP Check Server monitor is also great (http://www.paessler.com/ipcheck) -Message d'origine- De : Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 2 septembre 2003 17:57 À : CF-Talk Objet : Load Testing Tools Can anybody recommend a relatively simple and hopefully inexpensive load testing tool that could be used to check a new CF built site. Preferably something that we can try before buying. Thanks. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource Sacramento, CA ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?)
I am not aware of anyone who is offering shared BlueDragon hosting at this point. You may want to contact New Atlanta directly in that regard. However, I am sure that many hosting companies would step up to the plate if the need exists. I wonder if the free version of BlueDragon could be used by hosting companies. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Load Testing Tools
Here are a few that may be helpful http://www.bpurcell.org/macromedia/loadtesting.cfm If you want something simple and inexpensive. Try Microsoft Web Application Stress tool. OpenSTA is a little more robust but a little more difficult to work with. - Brandon Purcell http://www.bpurcell.org ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: SUBMIT button
Thanks all! This has been helpful. Robert O. -Original Message- From: Michael Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SUBMIT button Hi, You need to refer to the button as form.delete.x rather than just form.delete. For example if you were checking to see if the form had been submitted you might use: cfif IsDefined(form.delete.x) Best regards, Michael Wilson -Original Message- From: Oliver Tupman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SUBMIT button Robert Orlini wrote: Any reason that this submit button code does not work? input type=image border=0 src=images/delete_record.gif alt=delete value=delete name=delete I like the look of this button because it is an image, but does not pass the delete value to the form. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
SQL or CF Code help with extracting distinct values from a list
Hi there, Trying to think of the best way to do this and I know the only way I can think of it will cause the web server to fall over due to the amount of data. Problem. Got a query returning something like this RESPONSE_ID ANSWER PARENT_ANSWER 1 HateBluetit, Sparrow 2 LoveSparrow 3 Don't care Bluetit, Crow 4 HateCrow, Budgie What I need is SQL or CF code that I can run on the PARENT_ANSWER list that will give me all the distinct members of a list. ie the answer I would want from this would be 'Bluetit, Sparrow, Crow, Budgie' The records will be in the order of anything from a couple of thousand to a couple of hundred thousand... I've thought of using ValueList(query.PARENT_ANSWER) passing into a UDF that would extract the distinct values, but I know for a fact that in some of my high volume reports that using this sort of methid brings CF/WebServer to complete standstill.. (pretty obvious really, but it was a bad experience and I dont want to go there again, plus the solution will not work in this case) Anybody have a better method of extracting the distinct ones from a list? BTW CF5 and Oracle 8.1.7 Cheers in advance... DC ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: SW Costs, BlueDragon, etc. (was:DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?)
Jim Davis wrote: True. I'm not arguing against Blue Dragon but rather the concept that software costs (at this level) are major considerations. Too many times I've heard we can't afford CF only to watch a company spends thousands more pursuing an untried free solution. Jim, Your points are absolutely valid from the perspective of a custom project--a few hundred dollars isn't really going to make a difference. But, let's say you've built a packaged solution written in CFML that you'd like to sell for $1200/server. Guess what? Prior to BlueDragon you had to add another $1300 to the cost of your product for the CF5/MX license, more than doubling your product's cost (minus whatever discounts you might be able to negotiate with Macromedia). By bundling with BlueDragon, your costs are significantly lower, especially if your packaged solution can run on the free version (no, you can't redistribute the free version without paying a license fee to us, but those license fees are lower than BlueDragon Server JX, and much, much lower than CFMX). Or, consider FuseTalk, where their lowest priced Professional edition sells for $289. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend $1300 for a CFMX license (if you don't already have one) if all you want to do is run a $289 product. But, FuseTalk Professional runs on the free BlueDragon Server, and is supported by both FuseTalk, Inc. and New Atlanta. So there are some cases where a few hundred dollars per server license can make a huge difference. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?)
Yes, we're working with several hosting companies to offer BlueDragon support. Yes, they'll be able to use the free version of BlueDragon to offer dramatically lower costs to their customers. Stay tuned... Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?) I am not aware of anyone who is offering shared BlueDragon hosting at this point. You may want to contact New Atlanta directly in that regard. However, I am sure that many hosting companies would step up to the plate if the need exists. I wonder if the free version of BlueDragon could be used by hosting companies. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?)
I thought that earlier this summer hosting partners were to be announced, but I do not remember seeing anything about them I believe I heard that on the BD list some time ago. Yves Arsenault Carrefour Infotech 5, Acadian Dr. Charlottetown, PEI C1C 1M2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (902)368-1895 ext.242 ICQ #117650823 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 2, 2003 1:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?) I am not aware of anyone who is offering shared BlueDragon hosting at this point. You may want to contact New Atlanta directly in that regard. However, I am sure that many hosting companies would step up to the plate if the need exists. I wonder if the free version of BlueDragon could be used by hosting companies. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?)
I knew I hadn't dreamed up the whole thing... :-) - Yves - -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 2, 2003 1:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?) Yes, we're working with several hosting companies to offer BlueDragon support. Yes, they'll be able to use the free version of BlueDragon to offer dramatically lower costs to their customers. Stay tuned... Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?) I am not aware of anyone who is offering shared BlueDragon hosting at this point. You may want to contact New Atlanta directly in that regard. However, I am sure that many hosting companies would step up to the plate if the need exists. I wonder if the free version of BlueDragon could be used by hosting companies. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?)
Yes, we've chosen to delay those announcements, and the releases of BlueDragon 3.1 and BlueDragon.NET (both of which were originally planned for this summer) for reasons that will become clear very soon (it's a good thing). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Yves Arsenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?) I thought that earlier this summer hosting partners were to be announced, but I do not remember seeing anything about them I believe I heard that on the BD list some time ago. Yves Arsenault Carrefour Infotech 5, Acadian Dr. Charlottetown, PEI C1C 1M2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (902)368-1895 ext.242 ICQ #117650823 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 2, 2003 1:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?) I am not aware of anyone who is offering shared BlueDragon hosting at this point. You may want to contact New Atlanta directly in that regard. However, I am sure that many hosting companies would step up to the plate if the need exists. I wonder if the free version of BlueDragon could be used by hosting companies. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: machII(too much)
On Tuesday, Sep 2, 2003, at 06:44 US/Pacific, Adrian Lynch wrote: But then it dawned on me that maybe the debug output was causing the higher times. Does anyone know the name of this effect. Where you change the environment you are measuring? I'm sure is has a name. Lee Pritchard asked the same question: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae179.cfm Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: _Re:_cfcomponent_cffunction_access=private_--_what_the_!!??
On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 22:16 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: cffunction name=f2 access=public cfreturn this.f() /cffuntion Invoking 'f()' via 'this' scope causes it to be treated as an 'outside' call (so you can't call private methods). You should use 'variables.f()' (in CFMX6.1) or just 'f()' (in CFMX6.0). Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: cfproperty default attribute is buggy
On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 18:50 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: Well afaik cfproperty models (to some extent) the way properties are declared in other OO languages like Java -- Nope, not really. Unless you are writing a Web Service and using cfproperty for additional validation of returned component instances, cfproperty does nothing beyond creating metadata. It has no relation to instance data and the default= attribute does not have an impact whatsoever on the values of that instance data. My advice: don't use cfproperty. it'd be nice to get the expected functionality from the tag The problem is that your expectations are incorrect. cfcomponent cfproperty name=foo type=numeric/ cfset this.foo = I am not numeric / /cfcomponent That's perfectly valid CFML - by design. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?)
In one of Forta's blog entries (http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=eentry=855) he mentions that shared hosting companies could provide an instance of CFMX for each customer avoiding many of the problems associated with shared hosting. He goes on to state in a comment that each instance of CFMX uses 30MB of memory. Based on my understanding of hosting economics, 30MB per customer wouldn't allow a hosting company to put enough people on the same box to charge the same price as existing shared hosting. Is it possible to deploy BlueDragon is a similar configuration and what kind of memory usage does it have for each instance? -Matt On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 12:38 PM, Vince Bonfanti wrote: Yes, we're working with several hosting companies to offer BlueDragon support. Yes, they'll be able to use the free version of BlueDragon to offer dramatically lower costs to their customers. Stay tuned... Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: BD hosting (was Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?) I am not aware of anyone who is offering shared BlueDragon hosting at this point. You may want to contact New Atlanta directly in that regard. However, I am sure that many hosting companies would step up to the plate if the need exists. I wonder if the free version of BlueDragon could be used by hosting companies. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: SQL or CF Code help with extracting distinct values from a list
outside of using distinct in the oracle query just this: cfquery name=distinct dbtype=query select distinct answer from myotherquery where parent_answer = '#myparentanswer#' /cfquery hth isaac -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 02, 2003 05:35 PM Subject: Re: SQL or CF Code help with extracting distinct values from a list Hi there, Trying to think of the best way to do this and I know the only way I can think of it will cause the web server to fall over due to the amount of data. Problem. Got a query returning something like this RESPONSE_IDANSWER PARENT_ANSWER 1 HateBluetit, Sparrow 2 LoveSparrow 3 Don't care Bluetit, Crow 4 HateCrow, Budgie What I need is SQL or CF code that I can run on the PARENT_ANSWER list that will give me all the distinct members of a list. ie the answer I would want from this would be 'Bluetit, Sparrow, Crow, Budgie' The records will be in the order of anything from a couple of thousand to a couple of hundred thousand... I've thought of using ValueList(query.PARENT_ANSWER) passing into a UDF that would extract the distinct values, but I know for a fact that in some of my high volume reports that using this sort of methid brings CF/WebServer to complete standstill.. (pretty obvious really, but it was a bad experience and I dont want to go there again, plus the solution will not work in this case) Anybody have a better method of extracting the distinct ones from a list? BTW CF5 and Oracle 8.1.7 Cheers in advance... DC ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
This CFDJ article is a good'un. I read it, and it took me 10 minutes to get my first RSS feed on a site. Looking rough, but the only work left to do is CSS and making the feed look pretty. Nice one. I've avoided RSS up to now, thinking it's going ot take more time to learn than I have available right now. (I have HEAPS of stuff to learn - I do far more study than my 15 year old son). But I was very pleasantly surprised at how simple this stuff is. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages? on 9/2/03 11:19 AM, Jillian Carroll at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article should help you, it was recently featured in the ColdFusion Developers Journal: http://www.sys-con.com/coldfusion/article.cfm?id=635 It deals with Parsing RSS Feeds Using ColdFusion, and it's very well written. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: BlueDragon - RedHat 9
Yes, BlueDragon 3.0.2 is supported on Red Hat 9 (though I'm not sure if the web site has been updated to reflect this). Of course, when it's released BlueDragon 3.1 will also run on Red Hat 9. BlueDragon 3.1 will support Apache 2.0, as well as the older Apache 1.3.x releases. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: BlueDragon - RedHat 9 I'm working on a migration plan for a Linux server I manage... and while it is logical for us to move to RedHat 9 at this time, we are also looking at BlueDragon --and it does not appear that it supports this version of Linux. Has anybody installed it successfully on this OS? What about later versions of Apache (they recommend 1.3.27) Thank you for your advice! -- Jillian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: Efficient way to handle undefined variables
That's what cfparam is for, isn't it?
-Original Message-
From: Rich Z [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Efficient way to handle undefined variables
What is the best/most efficient way to handle a scenario where you're
populating variables from other variables that may or may not exist. If
they don't exist, an empty string should be assigned. I wrote a little
function to do this with a simple if statement inside:
If (isDefined(inVal)
{
outVal = inVal;
}
else
{
outVal = ;
}
Is this the best way to go about this? I'm going to end up wrapping
quite a few variables in this function, that's why I'm curious (I'm
puling in an XML that potentially has MANY optional variables).
Thanks,
Rich
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RE: SQL or CF Code help with extracting distinct values from a list
Hi Isaac,
Thanks for getting back to me
It's the distinct values in the PARENT_ANSWER that I need to return. I
am then looking to loop over these distinct PARENT_ANSWER's and see how
many people had said, HATE for Sparrow's, LOVE for Sparrow's, DON'T CARE
for Sparrow's and so on
Using your method, would it not then return as distinct values (using
your QoQ)
Bluetit, Sparrow
Sparrow
Bluetit, Crow
Crow, Bluetit
As it would see the PARENT_ANSWER as being distinct in it's column... I
kinda need it to see the lists inside the records as well am I
making sense?
I was hoping for a miracle with SQL but I don't think that is going to
happen :-( Thing is everytime I've tried doing this in the past using
CF Code, it chokesin the higher end reports...
a UDF I would use to do this would look something lkike this... anybody
suggest any improvements (btw flung the UDF together for this post but
the logic I would use would be simlar)
QueryName is 'answerWithParents'
RESPONSE_IDANSWER PARENT_ANSWER
1 HateBluetit, Sparrow
2 LoveSparrow
3 Don't care Bluetit, Crow
4 HateCrow, Budgie
cfscript
udfGetDistinctParentAnswers(List) {
var returnList = ;
var theAnswer = ;
for (i=1; i LTE ListLen(List); i=i+1) {
theAnswer = ListGetAt(List, i);
if (ListFindNoCase(returnList, theAnswer)) {
returnList = ListAppend(returnList, theAnswer);
}
}
return returnList;
}
distinctParents =
udfGetDistinctParentAnswers(ValueList(answerWithParents.PARENT_ANSWER));
/cfscript
I've tried this for another problem and my high volume reports just
grind to a halt when it tries and makes a ValueList of about hundred
thousand records (no suprise)
I realise turning it into an array may work a little bit faster but what
would I use instead of ListFindNoCase? Is there an Array Alternative or
would I have to loop round the entire list to see if it was in the
array?
Also, I need to work with the data as given, it solved a huge problem
that was way bigger than this one I've got :-)
Cheers
DC
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 September 2003 18:02
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SQL or CF Code help with extracting distinct values from a
list
outside of using distinct in the oracle query just this:
cfquery name=distinct dbtype=query
select distinct answer from myotherquery
where parent_answer = '#myparentanswer#'
/cfquery
hth
isaac
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sep 02, 2003 05:35 PM
Subject: Re: SQL or CF Code help with extracting distinct values from a
list
Hi there,
Trying to think of the best way to do this and I know the only way I
can think of it will cause the web server to fall over due to the
amount of data.
Problem.
Got a query returning something like this
RESPONSE_IDANSWER PARENT_ANSWER
1 HateBluetit, Sparrow
2 LoveSparrow
3 Don't care Bluetit, Crow
4 HateCrow, Budgie
What I need is SQL or CF code that I can run on the PARENT_ANSWER list
that will give me all the distinct members of a list.
ie the answer I would want from this would be 'Bluetit, Sparrow, Crow,
Budgie'
The records will be in the order of anything from a couple of thousand
to a couple of hundred thousand...
I've thought of using ValueList(query.PARENT_ANSWER) passing into a UDF
that would extract the distinct values, but I know for a fact that in
some of my high volume reports that using this sort of methid brings
CF/WebServer to complete standstill.. (pretty obvious really, but it
was a bad experience and I dont want to go there again, plus the
solution will not work in this case)
Anybody have a better method of extracting the distinct ones from a
list?
BTW CF5 and Oracle 8.1.7
Cheers in advance...
DC
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Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages?
In case you hadn't already seen it, I've aggregated some of the information I found about rss on my blog at http://www.turnkey.to/ontap/docs/blog.cfm ... check the archive of last month and search the page for rss I think there were 3 separate entries about it... I'm no expert, but I tried to include references to what I found helpful. :) hth isaac -- Original Message -- From: Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 02, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: What's the general approach for using RSS feeds in pages? I'm new to the whole thing, but isn't an RSS feed just an XML document? What's the idea, just read it into a variable then output it? I'm seeing these rss feeds springing up all over the place, and I wanted to jump into it and play around, but all I seemed to be able to dig up was consuming them in FlashMX, not much info on using them with CFMX. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
