RE: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Micha Schopman]

Read ... that's not the point which is Simon trying to make. 

He notices, the advantages of using a framework (organizing files,
separating types of files, reusing your code) measure up against the
disadvantages of not using a framework. 

For most CF developers frameworks like Mach II and FuseBox 
please use it, so I will never have to find my way through 9
lines of scrambled fuzzy code, so I can actually make changes without
breaking 99% of all functionality. ;)

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RE: CF and Gantt charts

[Micha Schopman]

I've created one with javascript for an inhouse product because there
weren't good products available on the web (gantt charts as gif,jpeg in
300px x 200px are useless...) . It looks like a ms project gantt so I
can help you if you need some advice. Gantt charts are fairly easy to
make if you know you're way around with oo js. :) 

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RE: updater versions

[Martin Parry]

Additionally you may need my re-worked CFDUMP tag cos the one in MX
Updater 6.1 doesn't work when you try to CFDUMP var="#cfCatch#"

http://www.beetrootstreet.co.uk/products/index.cfm
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(Make sure both lines above are in the URL)

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-Original Message-
From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 November 2004 17:56
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: updater versions

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:32:03 -0600, Mark A Kruger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's the easiest way to determine the updater status of a cfmx
> installation?  In the system information I have:
> 
> Server Product
>ColdFusion MX
> 
> Version
>6,1,0,hf54464_61
> 
> Edition
>Standard
> 
> Which would indicate 6.1 with a hf 54464_61 (which I cannot find on
the MM
> site).
> 
> I'd like to know what updater (if any) has been run and what hot fixes
(if
> any) have been run post updater. Is there a log somewhere?
> 

Well, the latest version is 6,1,0,83762 (officially: ColdFusion MX
with Updater 1). You can log in to the Administrator and click on the
"System Information" link along the top navigation bar to get more
details.

Your version has a hotfix in the classpath. Before we upgraded to U1,
we had a version like yours (because of a session replication hotfix
that was distributed to us). However, if you install U1, then you
should remove all previous hotfixes from your /servers/lib directory
and any other places in your classpath because the rollup contains
them. After that, you should check out the URL below to apply the 3
new hotfixes issues since the U1 release (though I would be extremely
careful about the 10/19 hotfix -- it only applies if you're using JRun
4 Updater 3):

http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/tn17883.htm

Hope this helps?

Regards,
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RE: CFMX 6.1 - java.lang.NullPointerException

[Martin Parry]

Based on the stack trace I would certainly start with disabling "global
updates" in the client variables settings.

This has caused me quite a few problems with SQL server before as it
chomps up disk space by filling the log file at an alarming rate.

Hope it works.

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX 6.1 - java.lang.NullPointerException

Hi,

If any one could help on this.. it is much appreciated..

We are seeing this error happen.. about every four hours.. and then 
we have to restart CFMX.

Redhat AS 2.1
Apache 2.0.50
CFMX 6.1 (83762)


java.lang.NullPointerException
 at coldfusion.runtime.Cast._double(Cast.java:510)
 at coldfusion.runtime.Cast._int(Cast.java:322)
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RE: "Licensing" a CF app

[Martin Parry]

I've pained over this and finally decided that the only feasible way to do it 
was to provide a "CMS appliance" to the customers who wanted to host their own 
websites/intranets using my CMS. This is essentially a locked down server that 
only I have access to (for updates etc.).

I also spent quite a while trying to re-use the .class files that CF generates. 
Proved a tad too tricky so I ditched that idea. 

Blue Dragon - When I was looking at it, yes it was very good and offered this 
type of functionality but I have a LOT of code in the CMS and Blue Dragon 
didn't work out of the box. As I'm genetically lazy I couldn't stomach 
re-writing a tonne of code - so stuck in my comfort zone ;) 

Just my 2¢ worth

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: "Licensing" a CF app

Thanks to everyone who replied.

I had forgotten about BlueDragon's ISV program. And I guess it's 
unknown whether the Blackstone functionality referred to would 
actually allow the sort of "disabling" we'd like. From comments I've 
seen here before, Coral gets mixed reviews.


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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Umer Farooq]

> Exact, there is nothing more procedural than a Web application:

Don't you mean a web page.. when.. someone talks to me about a web 
application.. i'm more thinking in terms of web services..

> There is ONE request to a server for a page from a user, and ONE answer from 
> the server to the user.

Hmm.. how about RemoteScripting (JSRS), Flash..

> Now, if some want absolutely to see Objects or even EVENTS there, well good 
> for them if it can make them happy ;-)
> But the fact is that any CF page is nothing but ONE call to a procedure, and 
> a "CF application" is nothing else than a bunch of pages.

I think.. again you are reffering to a CF Web Site.. CF applications.. 
are little diffrent then.. CF powered web sites/pages..



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Re: PostgreSQL database size

[Office]

My understanding is (don't have any of these ESRI goodies yet) that an xml call 
is made to arcIMS giving extant and layers etc.

The image returned can then be inserted as a static image on any web page.

The CMS has been designed to store a reference to extants and layers. So CF 
should be able to put a static map image on any page.

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Office wrote:
> I've seen flash interfaces on ArcIMS and they seem to run much faster than 
> the java stuff. Our main website which is a content management system runs on 
> CF and we 
are hoping to put up an alternative flash remoting interface on that for 
users who want it. The CMS will call and insert the maps into the CMS 
pages both cf and flash. Well thats the idea.

i can't see how. backend is still backend, nothing to do w/the user GUI. 
  a flash or html frontend still has to call the arcIMS server for the 
server to generate an image. unless you're confusing the java client 
w/the java connector? the java client is a true GIS client, ie it gets 
the raw data from the server & does stuff with it locally. the java 
connector is just that, a connector, like the cfx or asp connectors to 
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Re: PostgreSQL database size

[Paul Hastings]

Office wrote:
> I've seen flash interfaces on ArcIMS and they seem to run much faster than 
> the java stuff. Our main website which is a content management system runs on 
> CF and we 
are hoping to put up an alternative flash remoting interface on that for 
users who want it. The CMS will call and insert the maps into the CMS 
pages both cf and flash. Well thats the idea.

i can't see how. backend is still backend, nothing to do w/the user GUI. 
  a flash or html frontend still has to call the arcIMS server for the 
server to generate an image. unless you're confusing the java client 
w/the java connector? the java client is a true GIS client, ie it gets 
the raw data from the server & does stuff with it locally. the java 
connector is just that, a connector, like the cfx or asp connectors to 
arcIMS.

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Re: PostgreSQL database size

[Office]

very interesting stuff

Our issues are to do with history. NZERN has built this working legacy app 
(2000 pg's spagetti code) and is putting up a cheap to run mapservice using 
mapserver on another box. ESRI donated all the goodies couple weeks back (SDE, 
ArcIMS, ArcInfo9 etc) but I figure it will probably take 18 months to get that 
up on-line and working. The mapserver site will then migrate to ArcIMS.

I've seen flash interfaces on ArcIMS and they seem to run much faster than the 
java stuff. Our main website which is a content management system runs on CF 
and we are hoping to put up an alternative flash remoting interface on that for 
users who want it. The CMS will call and insert the maps into the CMS pages 
both cf and flash. Well thats the idea.

Mike

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Date:  Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:55:43 +0700

Office wrote:
> We use MSDE2 inhouse but it has a 2GB limit. Being able to integrate CF with 
> mapserver would be fantastic.

that's easy enough. we use cf to build url calls & then shoot them at 
the mapserver CGI using cfhttp. use cf to parse the response (like in 
the bad old IMS days). long ago we actually built a cfx_mapserver tag 
but it was flaky (mainly because mapserver itself was not thread safe) & 
broke other stuff (SDE functionality for instance).

> Paul - are you querying ArcSDE with CF directly. ESRI have donated  ArcSDE so 
> 

not for anything spatial. we're still on arcGIS 8.x. there is no java 
API for pre-9 arcSDE and frankly i think it wouldn't be as elegant as 
postGIS's sql. that can go right into cfquery, no fuss, no muss. mind 
you i don't mind making java calls (that's how we talk to arcIMS) just 
that having the ability to make a simple sql call to do some spatial 
work is pretty cool.

> where is the boundary between CF and mapserver and flash

we haven't used the mapserver/flash functionality much. when we looked 
at it when it first came out, seemed like we couldn't control very much. 
if you're getting all that esri s/w for free, why aren't you using 
arcIMS? i don't like the cfx tag much but the java connector works a 
treat from mx.



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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Brian Kotek]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:34:16 -0500, Claude Schneegans
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>That may be your opinion,
> 
> No, it's my experience.

I'm assuming that your opinion is based on experience.
 
> >>but the stark reality is that object-orientation has taken over the vast 
> >>majority of the programming world.
> 
> This is the problem: people do OO because it is a la mode, not because it is 
> useful.
> Using a framework IS good WHEN it is useful. For simple programming projects 
> it is a useless hassle.
> And most of CF project are just simple trivial projects that do not require 
> things like OO or FB or anything like that.

Of course people should not use OO techniques (or a framework for that
matter) if it is not useful for their project. I'm not talking about
trivial projects, I'm talking about huge projects with tens of
thousands of lines of code that take months or years to develop. These
are the sorts of projects I work on and in these situations frameworks
and OO techniques are a significant help.

> In the project I worked, the home page includes more than 100 files, makes 
> about 50 queries, but only about 12 different queries, some are repeated more 
> than 5 times!!! BUT it is Fusebox and OOP ! Big deal ! ;-))

It is a big deal if it made your job easier and your project more successful.

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Claude Schneegans]

>>Which language do you think is ideal for OO web programming?

Now this is a bad question.
One should ask "Which language is ideal to do what I have to do".
OO programming is a tool, not a goal, if it is the best tool, go OO, if 
something else is better,
simpler or whatever, for Christ sake, use it !

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Re: CF and Gantt charts

[Paul Hastings]

Simon Horwith wrote:
> not that I know of - but yes - it would be cool.  There is, on the other 
> hand, an open source applet that displays SVG.

by display do you mean as flash or an image?

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Re: PostgreSQL database size

[Paul Hastings]

Office wrote:
> We use MSDE2 inhouse but it has a 2GB limit. Being able to integrate CF with 
> mapserver would be fantastic.

that's easy enough. we use cf to build url calls & then shoot them at 
the mapserver CGI using cfhttp. use cf to parse the response (like in 
the bad old IMS days). long ago we actually built a cfx_mapserver tag 
but it was flaky (mainly because mapserver itself was not thread safe) & 
broke other stuff (SDE functionality for instance).

> Paul - are you querying ArcSDE with CF directly. ESRI have donated  ArcSDE so 
> 

not for anything spatial. we're still on arcGIS 8.x. there is no java 
API for pre-9 arcSDE and frankly i think it wouldn't be as elegant as 
postGIS's sql. that can go right into cfquery, no fuss, no muss. mind 
you i don't mind making java calls (that's how we talk to arcIMS) just 
that having the ability to make a simple sql call to do some spatial 
work is pretty cool.

> where is the boundary between CF and mapserver and flash

we haven't used the mapserver/flash functionality much. when we looked 
at it when it first came out, seemed like we couldn't control very much. 
if you're getting all that esri s/w for free, why aren't you using 
arcIMS? i don't like the cfx tag much but the java connector works a 
treat from mx.

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Claude Schneegans]

>>"object-oriented methodology" doesn't guarantee you won't have obtuse and
unmaintainable code.

Absolutely. The problem is that many "programmers" wont learn programming, then 
just learn how
to use a "framework" and they beleive they know programming, just because they 
"use a framework"
the result is actually "spaghetti framework" ;-)

>>Many well-written web applications are procedural, rather
than object-oriented, and CF is the ideal language for writing web
applications if you're satisfied with procedural programming. I'm not so
sure it's the ideal language for OO web programming.

Exact, there is nothing more procedural than a Web application:
There is ONE request to a server for a page from a user, and ONE answer from 
the server to the user.
Now, if some want absolutely to see Objects or even EVENTS there, well good for 
them if it can make them happy ;-)
But the fact is that any CF page is nothing but ONE call to a procedure, and a 
"CF application" is nothing else than a bunch of pages.
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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Claude Schneegans]

>>much easier that they were developed using a simple framework like
Fusebox than if it had been a random-bunch-of-files.

Why "a random-bunch-of-files"? An application is not just "a 
random-bunch-of-files" if it is not FB ;-)
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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Claude Schneegans]

>>solid, well-designed
object oriented methodology will always beat spaghetti code.

Of course, if you put it that way, it is better.
The fact is actually that no technology will enable a bad programmer to write 
good code.
The fact is also that spaghetti FuseBox and spaghetti OO is worse than 
anything, and YES,
spaghetti Fusebox and spaghetti code under any framework exists as well.

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Claude Schneegans]

>>That may be your opinion,

No, it's my experience.

>>but the stark reality is that object-orientation has taken over the vast 
>>majority of the programming world.

This is the problem: people do OO because it is a la mode, not because it is 
useful.
Using a framework IS good WHEN it is useful. For simple programming projects it 
is a useless hassle.
And most of CF project are just simple trivial projects that do not require 
things like OO or FB or anything like that.
In the project I worked, the home page includes more than 100 files, makes 
about 50 queries, but only about 12 different queries, some are repeated more 
than 5 times!!! BUT it is Fusebox and OOP ! Big deal ! ;-))

If you're not a good programmer, these techniques won't make you any better,
If you're a good programmer, you know when it is better to use them or better 
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[Ewok]

This is just a test. If it had been an actual emergency, I wouldn't have
taken the time to notify anyone... I'd be gone. This was only a test.

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Aaron Rouse]

Which language do you think is ideal for OO web programming?

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:23:13 -0500, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a good, solid,
> > well-designed object oriented methodology will always beat spaghetti
> > code.
> 
> Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is an absurd
> comparison. "Spaghetti code" will always be beaten by anything else - it
> doesn't have to be a "well-designed object-oriented methodology"; it can
> simply be a well-structured procedural application. Likewise, the use of an
> "object-oriented methodology" doesn't guarantee you won't have obtuse and
> unmaintainable code.
> 
> The plain fact is, many web applications are simple enough and small enough
> not to require anything beyond some defined, application-specific structure
> and organization. Many well-written web applications are procedural, rather
> than object-oriented, and CF is the ideal language for writing web
> applications if you're satisfied with procedural programming. I'm not so
> sure it's the ideal language for OO web programming.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> phone: 202-797-5496
> fax: 202-797-5444
> 
> 
> 

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Re: CF and Gantt charts

[Joe Rinehart]

I think DENG may support basic SVG shapes etc.  It's a Flash
interpreter for xForms, css, xhtml, and svg.

http://claus.packts.net/deng/features.php




On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:49:59 +, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not that I know of - but yes - it would be cool.  There is, on the other
> hand, an open source applet that displays SVG.
> 
> ~Simon
> 
> Simon Horwith
> Member of Team Macromedia
> Macromedia Certified Master Instructor
> Editor-in-Chief, ColdFusion Developers Journal
> Blog - http://www.horwith.com
> 
> Barney Boisvert wrote:
> 
> >>In
> >>the future, a Flash SWF that parses SVG XML could easily be written to
> >>use the API.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Is any such thing available anywhere?  I'd LOVE to be able to display
> >SVG in Flash format, and have been looking for this type of thing for
> >at least a couple years, but to no avail.
> >
> >cheers,
> >barneyb
> >
> >On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:50:45 +, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Gantt charts are a bit beyond what you can do with CFCHART.  I've
> >>recently presented about (at "mini MAX") and written a prototype Gantt
> >>chart custom tag API.  There will also be an article about it in the
> >>January issue of CFDJ.  I plan to make the code available after I've
> >>tidied it up a bit (remember - I just built a prototype though it is
> >>very flexible for one) but if you want to email me off-list, I'll gladly
> >>send you a copy toplay with.  Due to the cost and time requirements, I
> >>implemented SVG for the API.  I would have prefered Flash Gantt Charts,
> >>but there was no time to develop a generic Flash SWF to render them.  In
> >>the future, a Flash SWF that parses SVG XML could easily be written to
> >>use the API.
> >>
> >>~Simon
> >>
> >>Simon Horwith
> >>
> >>
> 
> 

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Re: Unable to instantiate environment for 'ODBC.'

[Duncan I Loxton]

Kym,

Do you mean reboot the webserver and CF or reboot the SQL server?  We
aere running 2 separate machines - CF4.5 + w2k and w2k + SQL7

I am sure there must be a reason for this - could it be related to MS
changing MDAC and CF not coping with it?

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Re: CF and Gantt charts

[Simon Horwith]

not that I know of - but yes - it would be cool.  There is, on the other 
hand, an open source applet that displays SVG.

~Simon

Simon Horwith
Member of Team Macromedia
Macromedia Certified Master Instructor
Editor-in-Chief, ColdFusion Developers Journal
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Barney Boisvert wrote:

>>In
>>the future, a Flash SWF that parses SVG XML could easily be written to
>>use the API.
>>
>>
>
>Is any such thing available anywhere?  I'd LOVE to be able to display
>SVG in Flash format, and have been looking for this type of thing for
>at least a couple years, but to no avail.
>
>cheers,
>barneyb
>
>On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:50:45 +, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Gantt charts are a bit beyond what you can do with CFCHART.  I've
>>recently presented about (at "mini MAX") and written a prototype Gantt
>>chart custom tag API.  There will also be an article about it in the
>>January issue of CFDJ.  I plan to make the code available after I've
>>tidied it up a bit (remember - I just built a prototype though it is
>>very flexible for one) but if you want to email me off-list, I'll gladly
>>send you a copy toplay with.  Due to the cost and time requirements, I
>>implemented SVG for the API.  I would have prefered Flash Gantt Charts,
>>but there was no time to develop a generic Flash SWF to render them.  In
>>the future, a Flash SWF that parses SVG XML could easily be written to
>>use the API.
>>
>>~Simon
>>
>>Simon Horwith
>>
>>



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Re: Unable to instantiate environment for 'ODBC.'

[Kym Kovan]

Hi Duncan,

>We have been having serious performance problems since Friday and
>finally think we might have found a reason why. We have seen alot of
>the following errors coming up in the Application log, but cant find
>any support etc to explain why its happening.
>
>We are CF4.5 W2K IIS 4
>
>[log]
>
>"Error","TID=944","11/30/04","08:24:23","10.8.5.42","Mozilla/4.0
>(compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)","ODBC Error
>Code =  () Unable to instantiate environment for
>'ODBC.'

It a "lack of resources" issue that we see fairly regularly on the CF 4.5 
boxes, particularly ones that have Access databases (regardless of whether the 
site is using Access or not). A reboot is the only way to get it stable again 
that we have discovered, certainly restarting CF is not enough to clear it.

>The error occurred while processing an element with a
>general identifier of (CFAPPLICATION), occupying document position
>(16:1) to (16:124) in the template file
>E:\APPLICATIONS\MPLUS.MCGRATH.COM.AU\LIVE\M2\APP_GLOBALS.CFM.Date/Time:
>11/30/04 08:24:23Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;
>Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)Remote Address:
>10.8.5.42Query String: fuseAction=gen_login"
>
>[\log]
>
>Thanks.
>-- 
>Duncan I Loxton

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Unable to instantiate environment for 'ODBC.'

[Duncan I Loxton]

Hi everyone,

We have been having serious performance problems since Friday and
finally think we might have found a reason why. We have seen alot of
the following errors coming up in the Application log, but cant find
any support etc to explain why its happening.

We are CF4.5 W2K IIS 4

[log]

"Error","TID=944","11/30/04","08:24:23","10.8.5.42","Mozilla/4.0
(compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)","ODBC Error
Code =  () Unable to instantiate environment for
'ODBC.'The error occurred while processing an element with a
general identifier of (CFAPPLICATION), occupying document position
(16:1) to (16:124) in the template file
E:\APPLICATIONS\MPLUS.MCGRATH.COM.AU\LIVE\M2\APP_GLOBALS.CFM.Date/Time:
11/30/04 08:24:23Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;
Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)Remote Address:
10.8.5.42Query String: fuseAction=gen_login"

[\log]

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Re: Incremental CFCONTENT?

[Kwang Suh]

It won't try to compile the file if there is no server mapping to the .txt 
extension.

>> Use 
>
>It's my understanding that this will, in fact, execute the page if it is a
>JSP or CFM file. Is it the case that it will not attempt to execute the page
>if it isn't mapped to a specific executable file extension?
>
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RE: Incremental CFCONTENT?

[Dave Watts]

> Use 

It's my understanding that this will, in fact, execute the page if it is a
JSP or CFM file. Is it the case that it will not attempt to execute the page
if it isn't mapped to a specific executable file extension?

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Re: Incremental CFCONTENT?

[Kwang Suh]

Use 

> Can I pipe out parts of pages using CFCONTENT?   I currently have an
> cache_to_file tag which I wrote to cache parts of rendered pages to
> file.
 
> 
> Right now I (inefficiently) CFFILE-Read them, then #output# the
> contents.  What I'd like to do is  CFCONTENT them directly to the
> response output stream.
 
> 
> Can I "pipe" them to the output by using CFCONTENT?  My goal is to
> basically CFINCLUDE  but i dont want to compile the include file, 
> just
> pipe it to the browser, and it's part of the renderable page...
 
> 
> Thanks!
> -dov
 
> 
> My code would look like this
 
> 
 
> 
> 
> 
 
> 
> yada yada yada
> 
> yada
>  
> 
 
> 
> NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender.  
> Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is 
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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Kwang Suh]

I haven't written a simple, small web app in about 5 years.  I'd love to go 
back to a simple, page based framework, but fact is, I'd being myself, my 
fellow programmers and my clients a disservice by doing that.

I use Fusebox and MachII because I don't want to write my own framework.  I 
certainly could, and maybe one day I will, but right now I'm too lazy.  I'd 
rather solve business problems than to come up with some way of managing 
layouts in an app.  As with any and all frameworks, there will be some 
compromise.

Having said that, I haven't been truly satisfied with either Fusebox or MachII, 
and I find that ASP.NET's page controller structure works better than either, 
and Java with Struts is also quite manageable.

>> Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a good, solid,
>> well-designed object oriented methodology will always beat spaghetti 
>> code.  
>
>Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is an absurd
>comparison. "Spaghetti code" will always be beaten by anything else - it
>doesn't have to be a "well-designed object-oriented methodology"; it can
>simply be a well-structured procedural application. Likewise, the use of an
>"object-oriented methodology" doesn't guarantee you won't have obtuse and
>unmaintainable code.
>
>The plain fact is, many web applications are simple enough and small enough
>not to require anything beyond some defined, application-specific structure
>and organization. Many well-written web applications are procedural, rather
>than object-oriented, and CF is the ideal language for writing web
>applications if you're satisfied with procedural programming. I'm not so
>sure it's the ideal language for OO web programming.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 
>http://www.figleaf.com/ 
>phone: 202-797-5496 
>fax: 202-797-5444

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RE: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Dave Watts]

> Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a good, solid,
> well-designed object oriented methodology will always beat spaghetti 
> code.  

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is an absurd
comparison. "Spaghetti code" will always be beaten by anything else - it
doesn't have to be a "well-designed object-oriented methodology"; it can
simply be a well-structured procedural application. Likewise, the use of an
"object-oriented methodology" doesn't guarantee you won't have obtuse and
unmaintainable code.

The plain fact is, many web applications are simple enough and small enough
not to require anything beyond some defined, application-specific structure
and organization. Many well-written web applications are procedural, rather
than object-oriented, and CF is the ideal language for writing web
applications if you're satisfied with procedural programming. I'm not so
sure it's the ideal language for OO web programming.

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RE: ColdFusion page with .asp extension???

[Dave Watts]

> I am using IIS 6.  I have one ASP site, and now I have a ColdFusion
> site. However, the ColdFusion pages "needs" to have extension .asp.  
> So I went to the Mappings tab in the IIS to give .asp extension the 
> ColdFusion dll. I also went to ColdFusion's web.xml to add the .asp 
> extension in. Everything works well. The ASP pages now process as 
> ColdFusion pages.
>
> One problem: all the real asp pages now don't work even though I
> separated them as two different sites in the IIS.
>
> So my question is: Is there a way to separate the two sites? One site
> processes the real asp pages.  The other site processes the ColdFusion
> .asp pages?

You will need to remove the CFMX ISAPI extension and filter for the IIS site
in which you want to run ASP. By default, when you install CFMX to use IIS,
it configures an ISAPI filter for the entire IIS server, but I think that
with IIS 6 it just installs an ISAPI wildcard extension. You'll need to
remove that if it's set globally, and reset it just for the server in
question. The easiest way to do this is to run the Web Server Configuration
Tool installed with CFMX.

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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Robert Everland III]

What about putting CFC's into the application scope? That way when calling one 
CFC from another CFC, you don't need to use cfinvoke. You also can use it when 
you do cfimport. Anyone have any experience doing something like that?


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Re: Incremental CFCONTENT?

[Joe Rinehart]

Dov,

Unfortuantely, nope.

This might be one approach you could take:








yada yada yada





-joe



On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:54:48 -0500, Katz, Dov B (IT)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can I pipe out parts of pages using CFCONTENT?   I currently have an
> cache_to_file tag which I wrote to cache parts of rendered pages to
> file.
> 
> Right now I (inefficiently) CFFILE-Read them, then #output# the
> contents.  What I'd like to do is  CFCONTENT them directly to the
> response output stream.
> 
> Can I "pipe" them to the output by using CFCONTENT?  My goal is to
> basically CFINCLUDE  but i dont want to compile the include file, just
> pipe it to the browser, and it's part of the renderable page...
> 
> Thanks!
> -dov
> 
> My code would look like this
> 
> 
> 
> 
> yada yada yada
> 
> yada
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Incremental CFCONTENT?

[Dave Watts]

> Can I pipe out parts of pages using CFCONTENT?

No, I'm pretty sure you can't if you use the FILE attribute of CFCONTENT.

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RE: Best way to access CFC's?

[Dave Watts]

> > CFINVOKE and createObject are very different beasts. CFOBJECT and
> > createObject are the same, but CFINVOKE creates and instance of the
> > CFC, calls the specified method on it, and then lets the instance
> > disappear, with no hope of holding on to it for future reuse.
> 
> What if the method you call with cfinvoke returns an instance of 
> the CFC?

Presumably, from you this is a rhetorical question, but the answer is that
you will have an instance variable which you can later use to call methods
of that instance. However, the typical use case for CFINVOKE is to call
methods of stateless or static objects, in my experience.

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RE: Settings file for CF 5 server?

[Dave Watts]

> We are about to upgrade from CF 5 to MX and my boss is wondering if
> there is a file where all the CF 5 server settings are stored "in case
> we need to backout."

Yes, the CF 5 server settings are stored in the Windows Registry key
"HKLM\SOFTWARE\Allaire\ColdFusion". Datasource settings are stored in the
"HKLM\SOFTWARE\ODBC.INI" registry key. If you're using CF 5 on Unix, those
settings will be in /opt/coldfusion/registry/cf.registry, I think.

You can back these up, or you can archive settings from within the CF
Administrator. If things go wrong, you can reinstall CF 5 and restore the
settings.

> When upgrading from CFMX with internal server to using the JRun option
> with IIS, is it better to just reinstall from the CD using the JRun
> option or is it better to try to use the CFMX Web Server Configuration
> Tool?

I'm not sure whether you mean you want to install CFMX on JRun, or whether
you simply want to hook your existing CFMX installation to IIS. If the
former, you'll need to reinstall. If the latter, just run the Web Server
Configuration Tool.

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Re: unable to create new native thread?

[Phill B]

I guess I stumped the list. 


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:14 -0600, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone have any idea what would be causing this? It happens about once
> a week so I need to try and find some sort of solution.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:39:12 -0600, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm getting this error "unable to create new native thread" not the
> > "java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread".
> > Maybe they are the same? Regardless, I can't figure out what is
> > causing it or how to fix it.
> >
> > I made sure the server is patched but I still get the error.
> >
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Settings file for CF 5 server?

[Rebecca Wells]

We are about to upgrade from CF 5 to MX and my boss is wondering if
there is a file where all the CF 5 server settings are stored "in case
we need to backout."

When upgrading from CFMX with internal server to using the JRun option
with IIS, is it better to just reinstall from the CD using the JRun
option or is it better to try to use the CFMX Web Server Configuration
Tool?

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Re: "Licensing" a CF app

[Tom McNeer]

Thanks to everyone who replied.

I had forgotten about BlueDragon's ISV program. And I guess it's 
unknown whether the Blackstone functionality referred to would 
actually allow the sort of "disabling" we'd like. From comments I've 
seen here before, Coral gets mixed reviews.

As far these ideas go:

>depends how open that client's network is, but you could include a couple of
>well-placed CFC calls to your own server

>you can always make one of their graphics in a flash then have it 
>call a page on yours or their server to check and see if its valid

"Open" is not a valid description of their network. It's a US govt. 
agency that's somewhat circumspect about all its activities.

As to your comment, Phil:
>
>Yes, you can do this in a truly secure manner just as your customer 
>wishes.   The Tracking Tools demo(www.tracking-tools.com) is an 
>example of an app packaged to run as a desktop app.  It uses 
>BlueDragon.
>
>Dick Applebaum and I are working on an article that describes how to 
>do this in detail.  I'll post back when it's available (later in 
>December).

Hooray. Thanks from me (and I'm sure from others who are interested 
in doing the same thing. I enjoyed participating in the Tracking 
Tools beta test, and I look forward to reading what you and Dick put 
together.


-- 

Thanks,



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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Barney Boisvert]

CFINVOKE still isn't letting you hold onto the instance, it's via some
other external means.  Yes it's splitting hairs.  You could get around
it if the method serialized 'this' and stored it somewhere for later
recall as well.

cheers,
barneyb

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:54:22 +0100, Jochem van Dieten
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Barney Boisvert wrote:
> > CFINVOKE and createObject are very different beasts.  CFOBJECT and
> > createObject are the same, but CFINVOKE creates and instance of the
> > CFC, calls the specified method on it, and then lets the instance
> > disappear, with no hope of holding on to it for future reuse.
> 
> What if the method you call with cfinvoke returns an instance of
> the CFC?
> 
> Jochem
> 

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cffile readbinary zip file

[Ian Ian]

Hi all,

I am using the following code to display/download files.  During the upload I 
use  file.ContentType & "/" & file.ContentSubType  to set the mime type.  This 
method allows me to upload, view and download html, gif, jpg, doc, pdf and exe 
files without any problems.  However, I am having some troubles with viewing 
zip files.  I can download (I mean save to local disk and open the zip file 
from there) with no problem, but if I try to view the zip files directly (by 
choosing "open" rather that "save" in IE's file download window) the zip file 
does not open currently.  The correct filenames are displayed in the zip file 
but there icons are missing, and when I click on a file in the zip file nothing 
happens.  Also when trying to extract the files from the zip file, I get the 
error "no files to extract."

Any idea you may have to help me solve this problem would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Ian








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RE: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Steve Brownlee]

https://sourceforge.net/projects/cfobjects/

Since we're on the topic, talk of cfObjects is rarely mentioned anymore.  I
still use it for every major web application I build because it works for me.
Version 4.0 of the package was just released with a new Dreamweaver toolbar,
class/method wizards, and some other performance enhancements.  It certainly
doesn't get the marketing blitz and big-name support that FB and MachII get,
but it still delivers and is easy to set up and maintain.

I know that since the most recent CF server technologies use CFCs, that
cfObjects may seem redundant, but with the extras that it gives you that CFCs
don't support yet, I still think it's worth using.

My 2 cents.

-Original Message-
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

And you have hit upon the true issue:  When it comes to CF, almost 100% of
the maintanance problems with an app are a result of the people that wrote
it.  This is actually the case with many modern languages (I'll exempt C++ -
it's a major knives and daggers language).  Blaming a framework is rather
short sighted.

As an example, I once worked with someone that loved to name his JavaScript
functions x, y and z.  When he had more than three functions on a page, he'd
name then x1, x2, xx, etc.  Lovely.  I especially enjoyed when he'd do stuff
like:

x = x();
y = z();
xx1 = x2();

Now then, is that the fault of JavaScript, or the idiot programmer (I use
that word loosely in his case)?  Obviously, it was him.  To blame the
language is disingeneous.  Same with blaming certain frameworks.


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RE: OT: Flashpaper

[E C list]

I haven't tried Martin's tag, but I can tell you from
using the free tag "CF_HTML2PDF3" that also relies on
HTMLdoc to convert to pdf's that its not quite
perfect.   Unfortunately, I can't use FOP because I am
on ColdFusion 5 for the server where this is needed. 
It looks like FOP would be a better alternative if I
were able to use that one.  

I would really love to see a flashpaper plugin too. 
That would be very welcomed. 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Parry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: Flashpaper


Hiya - I've posted a template which is part of my CMS
for you. It relies
on HTMLDoc and uses CFEXECUTE to convert inbound HTML
passed as an
attribute into a PDF file.

The template is at
http://www.beetrootstreet.com/_media/zip/PDFSaveContent.ZIP

HTMLDOC is found at
http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/software.php?VERSION=1.8.24


Hope you can make good use of it.

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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Matthew Drayer]

I did not know that, no.  Thanks for the tip.

Matt

>Do you know that you can name your arguments in the compenent.method(arg2=1,
>arg1=2)?

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RE: Best way to access CFC's?

[Ben Rogers]

> 2. Having to maintain the proper order of argument declaration was a pain
> in the neck.

You can pass arguments by name when calling UDFs and component methods using
the dotted syntax:

  

  

When naming your arguments, order is not important. In fact, you can build a
collection of arguments and pass them in:

  
  
  

  
  
  

  

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RE: OT: Scan Docs to Edit

[E C list]

Donna, Most scanners these days come with basic
Optical Character Reader (OCR) software.  Generally it
does a very good job of converting scanned text from a
page, back into editable text and corresponding images
of things that can't be converted (for instance
signatures or logos in letterhead).  Once you have
OCR'ed the document, you can add to it and then
"print" it back out to a PDF file. (For which you'll
need something like Adobe Acrobat Professional or even
just one of the freeware software's around that do
this sort of thing)... so the steps would be:

1) Scan the document
2) OCR it to turn it into editable text (Many scanners
do this in one step)
3) Make changes
4) Print to PDF file

Hope this helps 

-Original Message-
From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: Scan Docs to Edit


you need to put text on top of the scanned image? Is
Photoshop available?


On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:41:11 -0600, Donna French
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, sorry for the OT post, but I'm trying to help
a lawyer friend of
> mine and not real sure how to tackle this. I need to
scan a document
> then allow them to enter text either on top of the
scan, or scan in as
> a PDF or similar?
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated.
> 
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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> 
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RE: OT: Flashpaper

[E C list]

I haven't tried Martin's tag, but I can tell you from
using the free tag "CF_HTML2PDF3" that also relies on
HTMLdoc to convert to pdf's that its not quite
perfect.   Unfortunately, I can't use FOP because I am
on ColdFusion 5 for the server where this is needed. 
It looks like FOP would be a better alternative if I
were able to use that one.  

I would really love to see a flashpaper plugin too. 
That would be very welcomed. 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Parry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: Flashpaper


Hiya - I've posted a template which is part of my CMS
for you. It relies
on HTMLDoc and uses CFEXECUTE to convert inbound HTML
passed as an
attribute into a PDF file.

The template is at
http://www.beetrootstreet.com/_media/zip/PDFSaveContent.ZIP

HTMLDOC is found at
http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/software.php?VERSION=1.8.24


Hope you can make good use of it.

Martin Parry
Macromedia Certified Developer
http://www.BeetrootStreet.com

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 26 November 2004 13:54
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: Flashpaper

H.

The problem I have is that I need to convert a block
of HTML which is in
a variable (from cfsavecontent) into a PDF with the
minimum of fuss, at
the moment I have a few options but no real examples! 
The CFDJ article
doesn't explain HTML to PDF does it?

Thanks

N



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From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 November 2004 13:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: Flashpaper

http://xml.apache.org/fop/ is the link.

And yeah, it's very good at at it. Bit more work
involved than say
Blackstone will require but it doesn't cost a penny.

There was a couple of articles on using CFMX and FOP
in the CFDJ earlier
this year too.

Andy


On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:31:36 -, Robertson-Ravo,
Neil (RX)
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> Hey Andy,
> 
> You got a link on  that? Does it convert HTML to PDF
with any degree 
> of success?
> 
> N
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 26 November 2004 13:15
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: OT: Flashpaper
> 
> Not Flashpaper, but I am using FOP to create PDFs
> 
> Andy
> 
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:01:54 -, Robertson-Ravo,
Neil (RX) 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone used or is using Flashpaper to convert
HTML/HTM docs into PDF

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RE: Best way to access CFC's?

[Andy Ousterhout]

Thanks.  I was wondering if you had some trick up your sleeve.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:05:44 -0800, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I'm curious.  Why would you want to type this:
>
> 
>   
>   
> 
>
> as opposed to this:
>
>...
> ) />

Me? I wouldn't. I don't use  at all, I just wanted to point
out that  doesn't automatically mean creating a new
instance...
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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Jochem van Dieten]

Barney Boisvert wrote:
> CFINVOKE and createObject are very different beasts.  CFOBJECT and
> createObject are the same, but CFINVOKE creates and instance of the
> CFC, calls the specified method on it, and then lets the instance
> disappear, with no hope of holding on to it for future reuse.

What if the method you call with cfinvoke returns an instance of 
the CFC?

Jochem

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RE: Best way to access CFC's?

[Andy Ousterhout]

Do you know that you can name your arguments in the compenent.method(arg2=1,
arg1=2)?

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Drayer

We started off writing all our component method calls inline -- ie:
component.method(argument1, argument2), but we quickly found that

1. It was sometimes hard to follow what was going on due to the squished up
nature of the code.

2. Having to maintain the proper order of argument declaration was a pain in
the neck.

So, we switched over to using  for almost all of our method calls.
It lends a little flexibility to the developer, and helps to make the code
self-documenting.

We do still have some component method calls done the inline way, but they
are typically argument-less methods used in  tags, etc.:


  DO STUFF


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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Kwang Suh]

And you have hit upon the true issue:  When it comes to CF, almost 100% of the 
maintanance problems with an app are a result of the people that wrote it.  
This is actually the case with many modern languages (I'll exempt C++ - it's a 
major knives and daggers language).  Blaming a framework is rather short 
sighted.

As an example, I once worked with someone that loved to name his JavaScript 
functions x, y and z.  When he had more than three functions on a page, he'd 
name then x1, x2, xx, etc.  Lovely.  I especially enjoyed when he'd do stuff 
like:

x = x();
y = z();
xx1 = x2();

Now then, is that the fault of JavaScript, or the idiot programmer (I use that 
word loosely in his case)?  Obviously, it was him.  To blame the language is 
disingeneous.  Same with blaming certain frameworks.

> Idiots can make anything hard to change though.  We have our own
> framework here, I hate dealing with it but I also understand the
> reasonings behind having it.  There have been times when I had to go
> in and resolve something someone else was attempting to do and it 
> took
> me hours or even days to get the task done and all because "idiots"
> were in it prior.
> 
> -- 
> Aaron Rouse
> http://www.happyhacker.com/
> 
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:56:37 -0400, Kwang Suh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've had to add features to a "regular" CF app that took me DAYS, 
> because the idiots that made it couldn't code to save their lives.
> > 
> > 
>

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Sean Corfield]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:57:45 -0800, Steve Brownlee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a good, solid, well-designed
> object oriented methodology will always beat spaghetti code.  FuseBox is a
> methodology, but it is not OO.  Let's be clear on that point.

As Brian already pointed out, Fusebox (small 'b', by the way) is not a
methodology, it is a framework. There is a methodology associated with
it, called FLiP. Mind you, quite a bit of FLiP is actually
framework-neutral...

As a huge fan of OO - I've been doing it for nearly thirteen years now
- I would also reiterate Brian's point that you can definitely use
Fusebox with a full-blown OO Model as part of an MVC-based
application.

I'll be talking at several conferences and user groups in 2005 on the
subject of frameworks - comparing Fusebox 4.x and Mach II.
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Re: PostgreSQL database size

[Office]

Thanks Paul and Jochem

Thats the answer I was hoping for. We have a hosted server running 
PostgreSQL/PostGIS/Mapserver running at www.gis.bush.org.nz hosting by 
limelyte. But no inhouse experience with even installing PostgreSQL.

We use MSDE2 inhouse but it has a 2GB limit. Being able to integrate CF with 
mapserver would be fantastic.

Paul - are you querying ArcSDE with CF directly. ESRI have donated  ArcSDE so 


where is the boundary between CF and mapserver and flash

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Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> PostgreSQL should be able to handle this without a problem on 
> suitable hardware. Don't forget to check out the PostGIS project, 
> it plugs GIS features right into PostgreSQL.

yeah, it's pretty slick. i've been a long-long time user of commercial 
GIS database products (mainly arcSDE) and to be able to use cf to run 
spatial queries is pretty freaking fantastic:



  SELECT provinceName
  FROM provinces
  WHERE CONTAINS(the_geom, GeometryFromText('POINT(100.65 13.85)')


and to top it off it can output results as SVG.



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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Sean Corfield]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:05:44 -0800, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm curious.  Why would you want to type this:
> 
> 
>   
>   
> 
> 
> as opposed to this:
> 
>...
> ) />

Me? I wouldn't. I don't use  at all, I just wanted to point
out that  doesn't automatically mean creating a new
instance...
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CFMX 6.1 - java.lang.NullPointerException

[Umer Farooq]

Hi,

If any one could help on this.. it is much appreciated..

We are seeing this error happen.. about every four hours.. and then 
we have to restart CFMX.

Redhat AS 2.1
Apache 2.0.50
CFMX 6.1 (83762)


java.lang.NullPointerException
 at coldfusion.runtime.Cast._double(Cast.java:510)
 at coldfusion.runtime.Cast._int(Cast.java:322)
 at 
coldfusion.runtime.ClientScope.UpdateGlobals(ClientScope.java:112)
 at 
coldfusion.runtime.ClientScopeServiceImpl.UpdateGlobals(ClientScopeServiceImpl.java:224)
 at 
coldfusion.runtime.ClientScopeServiceImpl.PersistClientVariablesForRequest(ClientScopeServiceImpl.java:191)
 at 
coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:32)
 at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:35)
 at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:43)
 at 
coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22)
 at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:105)
 at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:91)
 at 
jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42)
 at 
jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:249)
 at 
jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:527)
 at 
jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:192)
 at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:348)
 at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:451)
 at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:294)
 at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66)

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Re: process ColdFusion tag written inside a string

[Kevin Marino]

Michael,

I tried this and it doesn't seem to work with , which I am using to 
replace how form fields behave.

the string being written looks like;



 


The import statement is for routines that "re-render" the form elements adding 
additional features.

Thoughts?
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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Dave Carabetta]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:29:26 -0800, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CFINVOKE and createObject are very different beasts.  CFOBJECT and
> createObject are the same, but CFINVOKE creates and instance of the
> CFC, calls the specified method on it, and then lets the instance
> disappear, with no hope of holding on to it for future reuse.
> 
> Here's two examples of creating an object instance:
> 
> 
> 
> And here's two examples of calling a method on a CFC, without creating
> an instance:
> 
> 
> 
> cheers,
> barneyb
> 

Yeah, sorry -- should have been more clear. As others have pointed
out, you can simply create an instance into a local variable and then
use that variable in the cfinvoke tag. Why would you do that? I guess
just preference (I use cfscript/cfobject everywhere, so this isn't
personal experience -- just pointing out that you could do it this
way).

Regards,
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Re: invalid number?

[Bryan Stevenson]

Look into the IN clause

ID IN ()

Cheers

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- Original Message - 
From: "daniel kessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: invalid number?


>I figured out the problem. I had allowed the numbers to be entered with 
>commas, making them strings.  I changed all of them to items without commas 
>and they worked. ie 2,373 became 2373.  So I didn't see a "convertToNumber" 
>call.   Am I missing something in my headless rush through the day?
>
>>I had this working fine one morning and checked it on all computers.
>>I come in another morning and it's not working - I swear.  It's
>>giving me the error, "invalid number" and lists the WHERE in the
>>query as the line culprit.  I have the same query where I added the
>>line to there WHERE:
>>marathon_id = #cookie.vancouver_walk# AND
>>and this seems to work fine, but I don't want to specify an ID,
>>instead querying for everyone, so this query doesn't have it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>SELECT Sum(entry) AS num_steps,Count(entry) AS num_days
>>FROM marathon_entries
>>WHERE entry_type = 'vancouver_walk' AND
>>   entry_data_date >= #first_day# AND entry_data_date <= #last_day#
>>   
>>   
>>   
>>   
>>
>>   #header#
>>   >align="right">#NumberFormat(get_gweek_totals.num_steps,',')#
>>   
>>   
>> >Int((get_gweek_totals.num_steps/get_gweek_totals.num_days))>
>>   
>>   #NumberFormat(g_av_steps,',')#
>>   >get_gweek_totals.num_steps = 0>
>>   >align="right">#NumberFormat((get_gweek_totals.num_steps *
>>2.25)/5280,'___._')#
>>
>>   
>>   >get_gweek_totals.num_steps = 0>
>>   
>>
>>-- 
>>Daniel Kessler
>>
>>Department of Public and Community Health
>>University of Maryland
>>Suite 2387 Valley Drive
>>College Park, MD  20742-2611
>>301-405-2545 Phone
>>www.phi.umd.edu
>
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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Matthew Drayer]

We started off writing all our component method calls inline -- ie: 
component.method(argument1, argument2), but we quickly found that

1. It was sometimes hard to follow what was going on due to the squished up  
nature of the code.

2. Having to maintain the proper order of argument declaration was a pain in 
the neck.

So, we switched over to using  for almost all of our method calls.  
It lends a little flexibility to the developer, and helps to make the code 
self-documenting.

We do still have some component method calls done the inline way, but they are 
typically argument-less methods used in  tags, etc.: 


  DO STUFF


Matt

Matthew Drayer
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HCPro, Inc.
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Re: invalid number?

[daniel kessler]

I figured out the problem. I had allowed the numbers to be entered with commas, 
making them strings.  I changed all of them to items without commas and they 
worked. ie 2,373 became 2373.  So I didn't see a "convertToNumber" call.   Am I 
missing something in my headless rush through the day?

>I had this working fine one morning and checked it on all computers. 
>I come in another morning and it's not working - I swear.  It's 
>giving me the error, "invalid number" and lists the WHERE in the 
>query as the line culprit.  I have the same query where I added the 
>line to there WHERE:
>marathon_id = #cookie.vancouver_walk# AND
>and this seems to work fine, but I don't want to specify an ID, 
>instead querying for everyone, so this query doesn't have it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>SELECT Sum(entry) AS num_steps,Count(entry) AS num_days
>FROM marathon_entries
>WHERE entry_type = 'vancouver_walk' AND
>   entry_data_date >= #first_day# AND entry_data_date <= #last_day#
>   
>   
>   
>   
>
>   #header#
>   align="right">#NumberFormat(get_gweek_totals.num_steps,',')#
>   
>   
> Int((get_gweek_totals.num_steps/get_gweek_totals.num_days))>
>   
>   #NumberFormat(g_av_steps,',')#
>   get_gweek_totals.num_steps = 0>
>   align="right">#NumberFormat((get_gweek_totals.num_steps * 
>2.25)/5280,'___._')#
>
>   
>   get_gweek_totals.num_steps = 0>
>   
>
>-- 
>Daniel Kessler
>
>Department of Public and Community Health
>University of Maryland
>Suite 2387 Valley Drive
>College Park, MD  20742-2611
>301-405-2545 Phone
>www.phi.umd.edu

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Incremental CFCONTENT?

[Katz, Dov B (IT)]

Can I pipe out parts of pages using CFCONTENT?   I currently have an
cache_to_file tag which I wrote to cache parts of rendered pages to
file.
 
Right now I (inefficiently) CFFILE-Read them, then #output# the
contents.  What I'd like to do is  CFCONTENT them directly to the
response output stream.
 
Can I "pipe" them to the output by using CFCONTENT?  My goal is to
basically CFINCLUDE  but i dont want to compile the include file, just
pipe it to the browser, and it's part of the renderable page...
 
Thanks!
-dov
 
My code would look like this
 
 


 
yada yada yada

yada
 

 
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RE: Best way to access CFC's?

[Andy Ousterhout]

Why wouldn't I just state:



This seems much more readable.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Best way to access CFC's?


If you're component is stateful, you'll want to invoke methods on the
same instance of the component instead of continually creating new
instances.
















#sum#

There's a few different ways to write thisI'd probably use:




#myAdder.getSum()#

-joe


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:59:01 -0600, Andy Ousterhout
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why would you do that?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Corfield.
>
> Unless you specify a component *reference* in  rather than a
> component name:
>
> 
> 
> --
>
>



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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Ali Awan]

Well, we're not necessarily going to convert all our applications.
I am learning the methodology, so that we have consistency in our apps and a 
best practices in place.  I would like to use the methodology on all future 
apps.

I may convert one or two to get a better handle on the methodology.  But 
ideally I would prefer to learn it before I start coding.


> Are you converting them to just learn the methodology so that you can
> apply it to new applications or for some other reason?  Just curious
> as to why the need to convert already running applications.
> 
> -- 
> Aaron Rouse
> http://www.happyhacker.com/
> 
> 
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:22:15 -0400, Ali Awan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Then my next logical step was to get familiar with them as much as 
> possible and see which one to adopt and then start converting our CF5 
> apps over.  So I turned to my respected friends an colleagues on this 
> list to aid me in this endeavor :)
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Re: "Licensing" a CF app

[Phil Cruz]

>Hi,
>
>I have a client whose application we have developed over the past 
>three years. It operates as a web-based services for his customers, 
>taking data entry and displaying calculated analysis of the data.
>
>He now has a customer who, for security reasons, wishes to have a 
>private installation of the application running on the customer's own 
>network.
>
>My client has asked me if there is any way we can "secure" his 
>application, meaning "Can we make it like a compiled desktop app that 
>can't work without a license key, and can be timed out after a year" 
>-- both so it cannot be copied and so, if the customer does not pay 
>his yearly licensing fee, the application could be disabled.
>
>Since this a ColdFusion app, I know that there is no way to truly 
>secure it in the manner he wishes. But I wondered if anyone on the 
>list had any similar experiences, or any thoughts on securing it to 
>some extent.
>-- 
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom

Yes, you can do this in a truly secure manner just as your customer wishes.   
The Tracking Tools demo(www.tracking-tools.com) is an example of an app 
packaged to run as a desktop app.  It uses BlueDragon.

Dick Applebaum and I are working on an article that describes how to do this in 
detail.  I'll post back when it's available (later in December).

-Phil

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invalid number?

[Daniel Kessler]

I had this working fine one morning and checked it on all computers. 
I come in another morning and it's not working - I swear.  It's 
giving me the error, "invalid number" and lists the WHERE in the 
query as the line culprit.  I have the same query where I added the 
line to there WHERE:
marathon_id = #cookie.vancouver_walk# AND
and this seems to work fine, but I don't want to specify an ID, 
instead querying for everyone, so this query doesn't have it.








   
SELECT Sum(entry) AS num_steps,Count(entry) AS num_days
FROM marathon_entries
WHERE entry_type = 'vancouver_walk' AND
   entry_data_date >= #first_day# AND entry_data_date <= #last_day#
   
   
   
   

   #header#
   #NumberFormat(get_gweek_totals.num_steps,',')#
   
   
 
   
   #NumberFormat(g_av_steps,',')#
   
   #NumberFormat((get_gweek_totals.num_steps * 
2.25)/5280,'___._')#

   
   
   

-- 
Daniel Kessler

Department of Public and Community Health
University of Maryland
Suite 2387 Valley Drive
College Park, MD  20742-2611
301-405-2545 Phone
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RE: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Damien McKenna]

> I recently had to add some features in a FB application, it 
> was including more than 100 files and it took me hours to 
> find the one I had to modify to do the job.

I took over several FB3 apps and I must say that it has made my life
much easier that they were developed using a simple framework like
Fusebox than if it had been a random-bunch-of-files.

Just my experience.
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Re: unable to create new native thread?

[Phill B]

Anyone have any idea what would be causing this? It happens about once
a week so I need to try and find some sort of solution.


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:39:12 -0600, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm getting this error "unable to create new native thread" not the
> "java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread".
> Maybe they are the same? Regardless, I can't figure out what is
> causing it or how to fix it.
> 
> I made sure the server is patched but I still get the error.
> 
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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Joe Rinehart]

If you're component is stateful, you'll want to invoke methods on the
same instance of the component instead of continually creating new
instances.
















#sum#

There's a few different ways to write thisI'd probably use:




#myAdder.getSum()#

-joe


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:59:01 -0600, Andy Ousterhout
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why would you do that?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Corfield.
> 
> Unless you specify a component *reference* in  rather than a
> component name:
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
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Re: "Licensing" a CF app

[dave]

you can always make one of their graphics in a flash then have it call a page 
on yours or their server to check and see if its valid
if not forward it to a disabled page. To check it can be a text file or have it 
do a query. On my sites i have it call a query on my site to check, so i just 
keep the sites up to date in 1 place


-- Original Message --
From: Doug James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:04:50 -0500

>You might check out: 
>
>I don't know anything about the application, I just have the bookmark.
>
>Doug James
>IT Developer
>Hollings Cancer Center
>http://hcc.musc.edu
>
>Tom McNeer wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a client whose application we have developed over the past 
>> three years. It operates as a web-based services for his customers, 
>> taking data entry and displaying calculated analysis of the data.
>> 
>> He now has a customer who, for security reasons, wishes to have a 
>> private installation of the application running on the customer's own 
>> network.
>> 
>> My client has asked me if there is any way we can "secure" his 
>> application, meaning "Can we make it like a compiled desktop app that 
>> can't work without a license key, and can be timed out after a year" 
>> -- both so it cannot be copied and so, if the customer does not pay 
>> his yearly licensing fee, the application could be disabled.
>> 
>> Since this a ColdFusion app, I know that there is no way to truly 
>> secure it in the manner he wishes. But I wondered if anyone on the 
>> list had any similar experiences, or any thoughts on securing it to 
>> some extent.
>
>

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Brian Kotek]

I'd call Fusebox a framework more than a methodology (FLiP is the
methodology commonly used to support Fusebox projects). And while the
framework code itself is not OO (where Mach-II is), you can easily
build CFC-based object models that fully follow OO principles and
leverage them in a Fusebox application.


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:57:45 -0800, Steve Brownlee
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> Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a good, solid, well-designed
> object oriented methodology will always beat spaghetti code.  FuseBox is a
> methodology, but it is not OO.  Let's be clear on that point.
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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Aaron Rouse]

Idiots can make anything hard to change though.  We have our own
framework here, I hate dealing with it but I also understand the
reasonings behind having it.  There have been times when I had to go
in and resolve something someone else was attempting to do and it took
me hours or even days to get the task done and all because "idiots"
were in it prior.

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:56:37 -0400, Kwang Suh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've had to add features to a "regular" CF app that took me DAYS, because the 
> idiots that made it couldn't code to save their lives.
> 
> 
>

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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Barney Boisvert]

Sure enough.  Can you tell I've never used CFOBJECT or CFINVOKE, ever?

I'm curious.  Why would you want to type this:


  
  


as opposed to this:



I know you hate my "i have lazy fingers" argument, but where's the
downside in this case?

cheers,
barneyb

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:49:44 -0800, Sean Corfield
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:29:26 -0800, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > CFINVOKE and createObject are very different beasts.  CFOBJECT and
> > createObject are the same, but CFINVOKE creates and instance of the
> > CFC, calls the specified method on it, and then lets the instance
> > disappear, with no hope of holding on to it for future reuse.
> 
> Unless you specify a component *reference* in  rather than a
> component name:
> 
> 
> 
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Re: "Licensing" a CF app

[Doug James]

You might check out: 

I don't know anything about the application, I just have the bookmark.

Doug James
IT Developer
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Tom McNeer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a client whose application we have developed over the past 
> three years. It operates as a web-based services for his customers, 
> taking data entry and displaying calculated analysis of the data.
> 
> He now has a customer who, for security reasons, wishes to have a 
> private installation of the application running on the customer's own 
> network.
> 
> My client has asked me if there is any way we can "secure" his 
> application, meaning "Can we make it like a compiled desktop app that 
> can't work without a license key, and can be timed out after a year" 
> -- both so it cannot be copied and so, if the customer does not pay 
> his yearly licensing fee, the application could be disabled.
> 
> Since this a ColdFusion app, I know that there is no way to truly 
> secure it in the manner he wishes. But I wondered if anyone on the 
> list had any similar experiences, or any thoughts on securing it to 
> some extent.

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Re: "Licensing" a CF app

[Aaron DC]

A suggestion:

depends how open that client's network is, but you could include a couple of
well-placed CFC calls to your own server that validate the license
information you also incorporate into the code.

If they remove the CFC calls, the app can bomb out - ie make the CFC do some
action/return some result that is useful.

You could also deploy a CFX tag (hence compiled) that processes the result,
allowing you to hide any decryption / processing logic from prying eyes.

Aaron

- Original Message -
From: "Tom McNeer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:05 AM
Subject: "Licensing" a CF app


> Hi,
>
> I have a client whose application we have developed over the past
> three years. It operates as a web-based services for his customers,
> taking data entry and displaying calculated analysis of the data.
>
> He now has a customer who, for security reasons, wishes to have a
> private installation of the application running on the customer's own
> network.
>
> My client has asked me if there is any way we can "secure" his
> application, meaning "Can we make it like a compiled desktop app that
> can't work without a license key, and can be timed out after a year"
> -- both so it cannot be copied and so, if the customer does not pay
> his yearly licensing fee, the application could be disabled.
>
> Since this a ColdFusion app, I know that there is no way to truly
> secure it in the manner he wishes. But I wondered if anyone on the
> list had any similar experiences, or any thoughts on securing it to
> some extent.



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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Brian Kotek]

That may be your opinion, but the stark reality is that
object-orientation has taken over the vast majority of the programming
world. In my opinion, not embracing this change is basically career
suicide.

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:49:30 -0500, Claude Schneegans
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Exact, and I would even add "that utilises NO OO technique, and it will even 
> be faster to develop, and perform even better.


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:49:30 -0500, Claude Schneegans
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>that you can still develop CF Apps
> in a timely menner without the use of FB or MACH II that do utilize
> proper OO techniques... and that perform better, as well.
> 
> Exact, and I would even add "that utilises NO OO technique, and it will even 
> be faster to develop,
> and perform even better.
> 
> I recently had to add some features in a FB application, it was including 
> more than 100 files and it took me hours to find the one I had to modify to 
> do the job.
> This is how a good willing concept is finally having the oposite result it is 
> intended to.
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RE: Best way to access CFC's?

[Andy Ousterhout]

Why would you do that?

-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield.

Unless you specify a component *reference* in  rather than a
component name:



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RE: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Steve Brownlee]

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a good, solid, well-designed
object oriented methodology will always beat spaghetti code.  FuseBox is a
methodology, but it is not OO.  Let's be clear on that point.

-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

>>that you can still develop CF Apps
in a timely menner without the use of FB or MACH II that do utilize proper OO
techniques... and that perform better, as well.

Exact, and I would even add "that utilises NO OO technique, and it will even
be faster to develop, and perform even better.

I recently had to add some features in a FB application, it was including
more than 100 files and it took me hours to find the one I had to modify to
do the job.
This is how a good willing concept is finally having the oposite result it is
intended to.

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Kwang Suh]

I've had to add features to a "regular" CF app that took me DAYS, because the 
idiots that made it couldn't code to save their lives.

This is how a good willing concept is finally having the oposite result it is 
intended to.

> >>that you can still develop CF Apps
> in a timely menner without the use of FB or MACH II that do utilize
> proper OO techniques... and that perform better, as well.
> 
> Exact, and I would even add "that utilises NO OO technique, and it 
> will even be faster to develop,
> and perform even better.
> 
> I recently had to add some features in a FB application, it was 
> including more than 100 files and it took me hours to find the one I 
> had to modify to do the job.
> This is how a good willing concept is finally having the oposite 
> result it is intended to.
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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Claude Schneegans]

>>that you can still develop CF Apps
in a timely menner without the use of FB or MACH II that do utilize
proper OO techniques... and that perform better, as well.

Exact, and I would even add "that utilises NO OO technique, and it will even be 
faster to develop,
and perform even better.

I recently had to add some features in a FB application, it was including more 
than 100 files and it took me hours to find the one I had to modify to do the 
job.
This is how a good willing concept is finally having the oposite result it is 
intended to.

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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Sean Corfield]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:29:26 -0800, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CFINVOKE and createObject are very different beasts.  CFOBJECT and
> createObject are the same, but CFINVOKE creates and instance of the
> CFC, calls the specified method on it, and then lets the instance
> disappear, with no hope of holding on to it for future reuse.

Unless you specify a component *reference* in  rather than a
component name:



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CF and Databases

[Jason Smith]

I have a client that has access backend for his cf application, when trying 
to run a query for a report that checks for item status the page always 
times out never will load. The query works on other reports with no 
problem. There are about 1500 products in the field and the status id is 
numerical from 1-10.

Now myself personally I would never use an access database for this type of 
work I would prefer to use mysql but I don't have that choice. So if anyone 
is familiar with cf/access or know of any issues that have to do with 
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Re: Error page when CFMX is down?

[Nathan Strutz]

You can replace the "Could not connecto to JRun" page with your own page 
by editing the wsconfig\#\jrun.ini, uncomment the errorurl line and 
point it to an HTML page.

Other than that, if your server is not responding, you can probably have 
it running through some sort of hardware load balancing device and 
output or redirect on errors.

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Damien McKenna wrote:
> Is there any way to have the ColdFusion MX server or IIS display a
> generic error page if the ColdFusion task is not started or is not
> responding?  I'm not really sure it is, but I wanted to check with the
> experts first before dismissing the idea.  Thanks.
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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Kwang Suh]

I don't find MachII in the least bit "un"-performant.

I also have a very large FB4 that runs hunky dory as well.

I'd love to see some proof of your claims.

>I only feel it's my duty to mention that you can still develop CF Apps 
>in a timely menner without the use of FB or MACH II that do utilize 
>proper OO techniques... and that perform better, as well.  I don't want 
>to open a can of worms here, but thought I'd point it out.
>
>~Simon
>
>Simon Horwith
>Member of Team Macromedia
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>Editor-in-Chief, ColdFusion Developers Journal
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>
>
>
>
>Brian Kotek wrote:
>
>>

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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Barney Boisvert]

CFINVOKE and createObject are very different beasts.  CFOBJECT and
createObject are the same, but CFINVOKE creates and instance of the
CFC, calls the specified method on it, and then lets the instance
disappear, with no hope of holding on to it for future reuse.

Here's two examples of creating an object instance:



And here's two examples of calling a method on a CFC, without creating
an instance:



cheers,
barneyb

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:47:24 -0500, Dave Carabetta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:39:35 -0400, Andy Mcshane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Starting to update a site by converting code to CFC's, anyone have any 
> > thoughts on what is the best or most efficient way to access a CFC? Is it 
> > better to use  or should I use CreateObject? Which method is 
> > better and why?
> >
> 
> They're effectively the same thing, except you'd use createObject if
> you're a cfscript fan and the tag-based cfinvoke if you're not.
> 
> If you are new or relatively new to CFCs, be sure to check out this
> document which is a community-driven "best practices" document for
> working with them:
> 
> http://www.dintenfass.com/cfcbestpractices/
> 
> Regards,
> Dave.
> 
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Re: "Licensing" a CF app

[Mark Drew]

I was looking for the link:
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/isv.cfm


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:24:29 +0100, Mark Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check out New Atlanta's blue dragon, I believe you can do it with this
> currently. I think the new version of Coldfusion will let you create
> compiled versions of an application that you can licence
> 
> Regards
> 
> Mark Drew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:05:49 -0500, Tom McNeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a client whose application we have developed over the past
> > three years. It operates as a web-based services for his customers,
> > taking data entry and displaying calculated analysis of the data.
> >
> > He now has a customer who, for security reasons, wishes to have a
> > private installation of the application running on the customer's own
> > network.
> >
> > My client has asked me if there is any way we can "secure" his
> > application, meaning "Can we make it like a compiled desktop app that
> > can't work without a license key, and can be timed out after a year"
> > -- both so it cannot be copied and so, if the customer does not pay
> > his yearly licensing fee, the application could be disabled.
> >
> > Since this a ColdFusion app, I know that there is no way to truly
> > secure it in the manner he wishes. But I wondered if anyone on the
> > list had any similar experiences, or any thoughts on securing it to
> > some extent.
> > --
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Tom McNeer
> > MediumCool
> >A Marketing, Creative and Construction Company
> >for the World Wide Web
> >
> > 530 Means St NW, Suite 110
> > Atlanta, GA 30318
> >
> > 404-589-0560
> > FAX 404-589-0510
> >
> > http://www.mediumcool.com
> >
> > 

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Re: "Licensing" a CF app

[Mark Drew]

Check out New Atlanta's blue dragon, I believe you can do it with this
currently. I think the new version of Coldfusion will let you create
compiled versions of an application that you can licence

Regards

Mark Drew


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:05:49 -0500, Tom McNeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a client whose application we have developed over the past
> three years. It operates as a web-based services for his customers,
> taking data entry and displaying calculated analysis of the data.
> 
> He now has a customer who, for security reasons, wishes to have a
> private installation of the application running on the customer's own
> network.
> 
> My client has asked me if there is any way we can "secure" his
> application, meaning "Can we make it like a compiled desktop app that
> can't work without a license key, and can be timed out after a year"
> -- both so it cannot be copied and so, if the customer does not pay
> his yearly licensing fee, the application could be disabled.
> 
> Since this a ColdFusion app, I know that there is no way to truly
> secure it in the manner he wishes. But I wondered if anyone on the
> list had any similar experiences, or any thoughts on securing it to
> some extent.
> --
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
> 
> Tom McNeer
> MediumCool
>A Marketing, Creative and Construction Company
>for the World Wide Web
> 
> 530 Means St NW, Suite 110
> Atlanta, GA 30318
> 
> 404-589-0560
> FAX 404-589-0510
> 
> http://www.mediumcool.com
> 
> 

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Alex Sherwood]

But I though FuseBox 4 and FuseDoc files were supposed to make your apps 
faster, particularly because you put your queries in a file that ends 
with ".QRY".

Not to mention putting your HTML in ".DSP" files..this will really 
start to heat up the compartmentalization factor in your application 
architecture.

--

Alex

Simon Horwith wrote:

>I only feel it's my duty to mention that you can still develop CF Apps 
>in a timely menner without the use of FB or MACH II that do utilize 
>proper OO techniques... and that perform better, as well.  I don't want 
>to open a can of worms here, but thought I'd point it out.
>
>~Simon
>
>Simon Horwith
>Member of Team Macromedia
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>Editor-in-Chief, ColdFusion Developers Journal
>Blog - http://www.horwith.com
>  
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"Licensing" a CF app

[Tom McNeer]

Hi,

I have a client whose application we have developed over the past 
three years. It operates as a web-based services for his customers, 
taking data entry and displaying calculated analysis of the data.

He now has a customer who, for security reasons, wishes to have a 
private installation of the application running on the customer's own 
network.

My client has asked me if there is any way we can "secure" his 
application, meaning "Can we make it like a compiled desktop app that 
can't work without a license key, and can be timed out after a year" 
-- both so it cannot be copied and so, if the customer does not pay 
his yearly licensing fee, the application could be disabled.

Since this a ColdFusion app, I know that there is no way to truly 
secure it in the manner he wishes. But I wondered if anyone on the 
list had any similar experiences, or any thoughts on securing it to 
some extent.
-- 

Thanks,



Tom


Tom McNeer
MediumCool
   A Marketing, Creative and Construction Company
   for the World Wide Web

530 Means St NW, Suite 110
Atlanta, GA 30318

404-589-0560
FAX 404-589-0510

http://www.mediumcool.com


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Error page when CFMX is down?

[Damien McKenna]

Is there any way to have the ColdFusion MX server or IIS display a
generic error page if the ColdFusion task is not started or is not
responding?  I'm not really sure it is, but I wanted to check with the
experts first before dismissing the idea.  Thanks.
 
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Re: updater versions

[Dave Carabetta]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:32:03 -0600, Mark A Kruger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's the easiest way to determine the updater status of a cfmx
> installation?  In the system information I have:
> 
> Server Product
>ColdFusion MX
> 
> Version
>6,1,0,hf54464_61
> 
> Edition
>Standard
> 
> Which would indicate 6.1 with a hf 54464_61 (which I cannot find on the MM
> site).
> 
> I'd like to know what updater (if any) has been run and what hot fixes (if
> any) have been run post updater. Is there a log somewhere?
> 

Well, the latest version is 6,1,0,83762 (officially: ColdFusion MX
with Updater 1). You can log in to the Administrator and click on the
"System Information" link along the top navigation bar to get more
details.

Your version has a hotfix in the classpath. Before we upgraded to U1,
we had a version like yours (because of a session replication hotfix
that was distributed to us). However, if you install U1, then you
should remove all previous hotfixes from your /servers/lib directory
and any other places in your classpath because the rollup contains
them. After that, you should check out the URL below to apply the 3
new hotfixes issues since the U1 release (though I would be extremely
careful about the 10/19 hotfix -- it only applies if you're using JRun
4 Updater 3):

http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/tn17883.htm

Hope this helps?

Regards,
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Disabled server options question

[Yves Arsenault]

Hello,

I'm currently working on a small project with CF 6.1, the server is a
shared hosting environment.

Is there any server variable that would show me if any functions or
tags are disabled?

Or is the phone call the only way to go?

Thanks,

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Re: Best way to access CFC's?

[Dave Carabetta]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:39:35 -0400, Andy Mcshane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Starting to update a site by converting code to CFC's, anyone have any 
> thoughts on what is the best or most efficient way to access a CFC? Is it 
> better to use  or should I use CreateObject? Which method is better 
> and why?
> 

They're effectively the same thing, except you'd use createObject if
you're a cfscript fan and the tag-based cfinvoke if you're not.

If you are new or relatively new to CFCs, be sure to check out this
document which is a community-driven "best practices" document for
working with them:

http://www.dintenfass.com/cfcbestpractices/

Regards,
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Browser Session spawn

[G C]

Application:
An application where you can administer a  number of companies and their users. 

The issues:
You login to Company1 and click on User1 opening a different window. Now you 
need to open User2 from Company2. So in the Company1 browser you go to Company2 
while leaving User1 window open. Now you open up User2 with its own set of 
session variables.
 
So you now have:
Original window has Company2 session variables.
AND
User1 window has its own session variables 
AND 
User2 window has its own session variables. 

Should I not be able to use any one of those windows sessions independently of 
each other? User1 window is of course trying to use User2 session variables. 
And we cant have User1 accessing any of User2's session variables.

Can someone let me know how I can get CF server to dole out another session to 
a spawned window that will allow 2 even 3 sessions on the same box. Is this at 
all possible?

Thanks in advance,

GCruz


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CF 6.1 on Linux

[JB McMichael]

I just installed 6.1 on a Mandrake 10 server.  This isn't the first
mandrake server I have done this on.  The install went fine, all of
the files appear to be in order, but when I give the command to start
cf, I get this

Error: could not find libjava.so
Error: could not find JRE
Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment.

So I went to /opt/coldfusionmx/runtime/jre/lib/i386/ and libjava.so is
there, along with all of the other java related files.  So then I
checked /opt/coldfusionmx/runtime/bin/jvm.config for its java.home
setting, and that is set to

java.home=/opt/coldfusionmx/runtime/jre

And that appears to be fine.  Is there something else I can check for?

Thanks,
JB

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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Aaron Rouse]

Are you converting them to just learn the methodology so that you can
apply it to new applications or for some other reason?  Just curious
as to why the need to convert already running applications.

-- 
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http://www.happyhacker.com/


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:22:15 -0400, Ali Awan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Then my next logical step was to get familiar with them as much as possible 
> and see which one to adopt and then start converting our CF5 apps over.  So I 
> turned to my respected friends an colleagues on this list to aid me in this 
> endeavor :)
>

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Best way to access CFC's?

[Andy Mcshane]

Starting to update a site by converting code to CFC's, anyone have any thoughts 
on what is the best or most efficient way to access a CFC? Is it better to use 
 or should I use CreateObject? Which method is better and why?

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Re: CF and Gantt charts

[Barney Boisvert]

> In
> the future, a Flash SWF that parses SVG XML could easily be written to
> use the API.

Is any such thing available anywhere?  I'd LOVE to be able to display
SVG in Flash format, and have been looking for this type of thing for
at least a couple years, but to no avail.

cheers,
barneyb

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:50:45 +, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gantt charts are a bit beyond what you can do with CFCHART.  I've
> recently presented about (at "mini MAX") and written a prototype Gantt
> chart custom tag API.  There will also be an article about it in the
> January issue of CFDJ.  I plan to make the code available after I've
> tidied it up a bit (remember - I just built a prototype though it is
> very flexible for one) but if you want to email me off-list, I'll gladly
> send you a copy toplay with.  Due to the cost and time requirements, I
> implemented SVG for the API.  I would have prefered Flash Gantt Charts,
> but there was no time to develop a generic Flash SWF to render them.  In
> the future, a Flash SWF that parses SVG XML could easily be written to
> use the API.
> 
> ~Simon
> 
> Simon Horwith
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OT-looking for some packages

[Eric Creese]

Looking for some asp based community type packages to bolt on to our website. 
Looking for soemthing that offers polls and surveys, blogs, submit questions, 
search engine capabilities, calander of events, quiz and tests. 

This may not be something in an all enclusive package so if you know of pieces 
of the package that can be easily put together I would appreciate it as well.

Eric


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Re: ColdFusion page with .asp extension???

[Barney Boisvert]

The .asp filter in CF is catching it everywhere, even on the site
without the mapping in IIS.  You'll have to disconnect CF from the
site that uses real ASP.  I'm not an IIS guru, so I don't know how to
do it, or even if it's possible.

cheers,
barneyb

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:19:48 -0500, Johnny Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am using IIS 6.  I have one ASP site, and now I have a ColdFusion site.
> However, the ColdFusion pages "needs" to have extension .asp.  So I went to
> the Mappings tab in the IIS to give .asp extension the ColdFusion dll.  I
> also went to ColdFusion's web.xml to add the .asp extension in.  Everything
> works well. The ASP pages now process as ColdFusion pages.
> 
> One problem: all the real asp pages now don't work even though I separated
> them as two different sites in the IIS.
> 
> So my question is: Is there a way to separate the two sites? One site
> processes the real asp pages.  The other site processes the ColdFusion .asp
> pages?
> Thanks.
> 
> Johnny
> 

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updater versions

[Mark A Kruger]

What's the easiest way to determine the updater status of a cfmx
installation?  In the system information I have:

Server Product
   ColdFusion MX

Version
   6,1,0,hf54464_61

Edition
   Standard




Which would indicate 6.1 with a hf 54464_61 (which I cannot find on the MM
site).

I'd like to know what updater (if any) has been run and what hot fixes (if
any) have been run post updater. Is there a log somewhere?

-Mark


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Re: MX Methodologies (Mach2?? Fusebox??)

[Brian Kotek]

Sorry for the duplicate post...the listserver scolded me for not
trimming previous replies so I thought the message hadn't gone
through.


On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:15:55 -0500, Brian Kotek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Naturally, as with any programming decision there is a tradeoff. In my
> experience, unless you have a very specific performance requirement,
> the benefits of a framework in terms of maintainability,
> standardization, and team development outweigh the very small
> performance hit.
> 
> That said, of course Simon is correct. A well-designed object model
> will work just fine with Fusebox, Mach-II, some other framework, or no
> framework at all.
>

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