receiving MMS from CF

2005-05-05 Thread Andrea Veggiani
Hi,

actually i had to implement a way to update a blog using MMS.

Someone has alreay tried to interact with MMS using CF?

Bye
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RE: CF Version # after Updater

2005-05-05 Thread kola.oyedeji
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_18515

HTH

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 Subject: CF Version # after Updater
 
 Guys,
 
 How can I tell if the CFMX 6.1 Updater has been installed?
 
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Re: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

2005-05-05 Thread Ken Ferguson
Check out X-cart www.x-cart.com

It's a PHP/MySQL app. I've used this package several times and for less 
than $200 it's got everything you could need and, in my opinion, could 
be priced much higher. Let me know if you have questions about X-Cart -- 
features, requirements...

--Ferg

Burns, John D wrote:

I'm looking for some recommendations for an Ecommerce store replacement.  
Currently, we have a customer that uses MivaMerchant, but it pretty much sucks 
and they're having all kinds of problems.  I, personally, would prefer a CF 
store with the ability for me to modify code and/or build interfaces as 
needed.  However, the server supports .NET and PHP as well.  The requirements 
for the software is that is support multiple stores and interface with 
Authorize.net and Paypal for payments.  Any suggestions for or against any 
products would be appreciated.
 
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Re: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

2005-05-05 Thread Cutter (CF-Talk)
The online boutique at seacrets.com is a customized cfwebstore. Yes, the 
FB3 code took me a while to figure (and to think I'm trying to learn 
mach-ii now;), but I was able to put together a custom layout in a 
fairly short period of time. I've seen several code updates come out in 
the few months I've had it, including one major upgrade, so Mary Jo 
seems to be constantly working to improve the code and integrate 
suggested features. A few quirks here and there in my dev process, like 
no built in MySQL support, but the dev forum for the product is pretty 
responsive so I cleared this hurdle with little difficulty. I'd say it's 
worth the price...

Cutter

Ray Champagne wrote:

Will do!

Connie DeCinko wrote:
  

Let us know when you get your site up and running with it.  The demo store
on the web site is confusing as it shows too many layout options at once.
I'm curious to see it running with a real store.
 

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

Well, I haven't been using it that long...as in I just started on it 
this week.  It is written using FuseBox, and it seems to be pretty well 
written if you ask me.  But, so far, I am impressed with both the price 
and the functionality.










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OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread Jeff Chastain
Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query issue.  I have a
dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 ' where the 123 is some
numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this table.   The
following query finds the table name and stores that name in a variable, but
when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a syntax error.  Any
suggestions on what is wrong with this or another way to do this in SQL
Server?
 
--
 
DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)
 
SELECT @crDataTable = name
FROM sysobjects
WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'
 
DROP TABLE @crDataTable
 
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RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Have you outputted @crDataTable to see what the values is?

Also, what is the syntax error?




-Original Message-
From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 May 2005 13:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query issue.  I have a
dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 ' where the 123 is some
numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this table.   The
following query finds the table name and stores that name in a variable, but
when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a syntax error.  Any
suggestions on what is wrong with this or another way to do this in SQL
Server?
 
--
 
DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)
 
SELECT @crDataTable = name
FROM sysobjects
WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'
 
DROP TABLE @crDataTable
 
--
 
Thanks
-- Jeff





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RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread Jeff Chastain
Yep, if I change 'DROP TABLE' to 'PRINT', I get '_crData4012'.

The error message just says 'Line 8: Incorrect syntax near '@crDataTable'.'


-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

Have you outputted @crDataTable to see what the values is?

Also, what is the syntax error?




-Original Message-
From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 May 2005 13:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query issue.  I have a
dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 ' where the 123 is some
numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this table.   The
following query finds the table name and stores that name in a variable, but
when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a syntax error.  Any
suggestions on what is wrong with this or another way to do this in SQL
Server?
 
--
 
DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)
 
SELECT @crDataTable = name
FROM sysobjects
WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'
 
DROP TABLE @crDataTable
 
--
 
Thanks
-- Jeff







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RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Only way to do it would be to sp_execsql or EXEC it as a string.





-Original Message-
From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 May 2005 13:54
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

Yep, if I change 'DROP TABLE' to 'PRINT', I get '_crData4012'.

The error message just says 'Line 8: Incorrect syntax near '@crDataTable'.'


-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

Have you outputted @crDataTable to see what the values is?

Also, what is the syntax error?




-Original Message-
From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 May 2005 13:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query issue.  I have a
dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 ' where the 123 is some
numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this table.   The
following query finds the table name and stores that name in a variable, but
when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a syntax error.  Any
suggestions on what is wrong with this or another way to do this in SQL
Server?
 
--
 
DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)
 
SELECT @crDataTable = name
FROM sysobjects
WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'
 
DROP TABLE @crDataTable
 
--
 
Thanks
-- Jeff









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RE: Have A Client with A Specific Need. Read On to See If You're the Right CF Expert for the Job

2005-05-05 Thread Patrick McGeehan
I know I have gotten that error message before, either on 4.5 or 5.  I found
this after searching a little while

-

paraming a variable with a scope but without a variable name CFPARAM
default= name=url. will cause
CFTempOnlyForSetVariableNeverUseThisNameInYourCFMLCode1223335654321
 when doing this in Coldfusion 5 or lower.

-

But if my memory serves me I seem to remember in our case it had to do with
having multiple cfapplication tags execute on the same request.  In that
instance it was application.cfm including the application.cfm in the parent
directory.  This will cause, long page loads, terminated page loads, server
crashes, weird error messages.

Not sure if that is it, if that situation went with that error message.  But
I thought it might be worth mentioning.

Patrick








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We're getting a variety of errors including CFLOCK's timing out and
references to
CFTempOnlyForSetVariableNeverUseThisNameInYourCFMLCode1223335654321.


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(YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
I've got an app that went live yesterday and even after a lot of
testing I am getting reports that people are experiencing errors all
over the place.  I asked that the client send me his CF log folder
from his server, now is there an easier way to parse through the files
to see where the errors are occuring than just opening them up in
Notepad?

We've both got CFMX7; if this weren't an intranet app I could submit
it for a successful use of Flash Forms.

Hatton

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RE: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Extended Find in Homesite?



-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 May 2005 14:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

I've got an app that went live yesterday and even after a lot of
testing I am getting reports that people are experiencing errors all
over the place.  I asked that the client send me his CF log folder
from his server, now is there an easier way to parse through the files
to see where the errors are occuring than just opening them up in
Notepad?

We've both got CFMX7; if this weren't an intranet app I could submit
it for a successful use of Flash Forms.

Hatton



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RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
You can't use variables in SQL server to represent objects (tables,
view. etc) -- you can only use them to represent columns. If you need
to use one to represent an object, then you have to either use exec()
the sp_executeSQL stored procedure or an ad-hoc query in CFML using a
CF variable for the table name.

exec syntax looks like this:

exec('drop table ' + @crDataTable)

or

exec sp_executeSQL N'drop table ' + @crDataTable'

The advantage of sp_executeSQL is that there's a version under .dbo.
in each catalog on your server which can be used to perform certain
tasks which SQL Server limits to not being allowed to specify a
catalog name (in other words,create view catalog.dbo.vMyView ...
will fail, but catalog.dbo.sp_executeSQL N'create view '... works
fine).

hth

 Yep, if I change 'DROP TABLE' to 'PRINT', I get
 '_crData4012'.

 The error message just says 'Line 8: Incorrect syntax near
 '@crDataTable'.'


 -Original Message-
 From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:41 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

 Have you outputted @crDataTable to see what the values is?

 Also, what is the syntax error?




 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 05 May 2005 13:35
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

 Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query
 issue.  I have a
 dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 '
 where the 123 is some
 numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this
 table.   The
 following query finds the table name and stores that name
 in a variable, but
 when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a syntax
 error.  Any
 suggestions on what is wrong with this or another way to
 do this in SQL
 Server?

 --

 DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)

 SELECT @crDataTable = name
 FROM sysobjects
 WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'

 DROP TABLE @crDataTable

 --

 Thanks
 -- Jeff







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RE: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread COLLIE David
 his CF log folder from his server, now is there an easier way to parse

 through the files to see where the errors are occurring than just 
 opening them up in Notepad?


If you use eclipse you could use the log file watcher that has been
suggested by someone else and I bookmarked (altho as usual I haven't
used it much yet but it is working in my 3.1 Eclipse).

http://graysky.sourceforge.net/

Worth a try.


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Re: receiving MMS from CF

2005-05-05 Thread Douglas Knudsen
Using CF7, I'd imagine you could write, or coerce someone to write, an MMS 
gateway much like the SMS gateway that comes with CF7. 

DK

On 5/4/05, Andrea Veggiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 actually i had to implement a way to update a blog using MMS.
 
 Someone has alreay tried to interact with MMS using CF?
 
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CF Performance

2005-05-05 Thread Chad McCue
I will be developing a site that will be on its own dedicated server running 
coldfusion 7 enterprise. This site will allow people to register and once they 
are registered it will develope a template site for them based on the domain 
name they choose. There will be about 2000 registered users each with their own 
template all running the same functions.

My question is what would be more taxing on the server, to have 2000 seperate 
instances of the same cfcs for each site or to have one main folder with all 
the cfcs and each 2000 template sites running them.

Each website will be hitting one main database.



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RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread Jeff Chastain
Cool.  I am just looking for quick and dirty right now, so this syntax did
it.  You learn something new everyday.

Thanks everyone.


-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

You can't use variables in SQL server to represent objects (tables, view.
etc) -- you can only use them to represent columns. If you need to use one
to represent an object, then you have to either use exec() the sp_executeSQL
stored procedure or an ad-hoc query in CFML using a CF variable for the
table name.

exec syntax looks like this:

exec('drop table ' + @crDataTable)

or

exec sp_executeSQL N'drop table ' + @crDataTable'

The advantage of sp_executeSQL is that there's a version under .dbo.
in each catalog on your server which can be used to perform certain tasks
which SQL Server limits to not being allowed to specify a catalog name (in
other words,create view catalog.dbo.vMyView ...
will fail, but catalog.dbo.sp_executeSQL N'create view '... works fine).

hth

 Yep, if I change 'DROP TABLE' to 'PRINT', I get '_crData4012'.

 The error message just says 'Line 8: Incorrect syntax near 
 '@crDataTable'.'


 -Original Message-
 From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:41 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

 Have you outputted @crDataTable to see what the values is?

 Also, what is the syntax error?




 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 05 May 2005 13:35
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

 Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query issue.  I 
 have a dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 '
 where the 123 is some
 numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this
 table.   The
 following query finds the table name and stores that name in a 
 variable, but when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a 
 syntax error.  Any suggestions on what is wrong with this or another 
 way to do this in SQL Server?

 --

 DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)

 SELECT @crDataTable = name
 FROM sysobjects
 WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'

 DROP TABLE @crDataTable

 --

 Thanks
 -- Jeff







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RE: CF Performance

2005-05-05 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
The latter, it would be totally unmanageable otherwise...



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From: Chad McCue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 May 2005 14:25
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF Performance

I will be developing a site that will be on its own dedicated server running
coldfusion 7 enterprise. This site will allow people to register and once
they are registered it will develope a template site for them based on the
domain name they choose. There will be about 2000 registered users each with
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My question is what would be more taxing on the server, to have 2000
seperate instances of the same cfcs for each site or to have one main folder
with all the cfcs and each 2000 template sites running them.

Each website will be hitting one main database.





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Re: OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread JediHomer
try something like

DECLARE @sSQL VarChar
DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)

SELECT @crDataTable = name
FROM sysobjects
WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'

SET @sSQL = 'DROP TABLE ' + @crDataTable
exec (@sSQL)

HTH

On 5/5/05, Jeff Chastain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query issue.  I have a
 dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 ' where the 123 is some
 numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this table.   The
 following query finds the table name and stores that name in a variable, but
 when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a syntax error.  Any
 suggestions on what is wrong with this or another way to do this in SQL
 Server?
 
 --
 
 DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)
 
 SELECT @crDataTable = name
 FROM sysobjects
 WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'
 
 DROP TABLE @crDataTable
 
 --
 
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Re: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
  his CF log folder from his server, now is there an easier way to parse
 
  through the files to see where the errors are occurring than just
  opening them up in Notepad?
 
 If you use eclipse you could use the log file watcher that has been
 suggested by someone else and I bookmarked (altho as usual I haven't
 used it much yet but it is working in my 3.1 Eclipse).

That's a really cool tool and I've added it to the list of things to
install for Eclipse; unfortunately the files are going to be static
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I was able to read out a couple of things and am now in the process of
putting in a more helpful error catcher.  I'll track down these
PEBKACs yet.

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Re: ColdFusion/Java/JSP error

2005-05-05 Thread Adam Haskell
that looks like a local package name look for a class named something
like that (only replace the / with .)  course if the error is
non-existent entity you'll be likely to not find it...or find it in
thw wrong place.

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 If I'm getting an error such as:
 
 Error: com/crystaldecisions/report/web/viewer/CrPrintMode is either a 
 misplaced package name or a non-existent entity.
 
 Is my computer looking for this file somewhere on itself or possible across 
 the internet?  If the latter, how would one modify a CF service in J2EE 
 configuration on top of a full Jrun to user a different user, since the 
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Re: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread Ken Ferguson
if you can't use the var to refer directly to an object... could you 
backdoor it and just use the var in a subselect? I know it looks a 
little redundant: (select name from names where name = 'ken'), but it 
seems like you may be able to fake the funk.

(I forget what the 'obj' table is in SQL Server, but...)
Kind of like: drop table (select object_name from obj where object_name 
= @crDataTable)

That way it's representing an object indirectly??? I have no idea if 
this will work, it's just the first thing that popped to mind after 
reading Isaac's post.

I've not worked with SQL Server much in the last couple of years, but 
couldn't you do something like that? Also, are you doing this from a web 
app? If so, why not just assign the table name to a cf variable and do 
the drop table in a cfquery? 2 queries; get the table name in the first; 
set it to a cf var and then drop the table in the second.

--Ferg


S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

You can't use variables in SQL server to represent objects (tables,
view. etc) -- you can only use them to represent columns. If you need
to use one to represent an object, then you have to either use exec()
the sp_executeSQL stored procedure or an ad-hoc query in CFML using a
CF variable for the table name.

exec syntax looks like this:

exec('drop table ' + @crDataTable)

or

exec sp_executeSQL N'drop table ' + @crDataTable'

The advantage of sp_executeSQL is that there's a version under .dbo.
in each catalog on your server which can be used to perform certain
tasks which SQL Server limits to not being allowed to specify a
catalog name (in other words,create view catalog.dbo.vMyView ...
will fail, but catalog.dbo.sp_executeSQL N'create view '... works
fine).

hth

  

Yep, if I change 'DROP TABLE' to 'PRINT', I get
'_crData4012'.



  

The error message just says 'Line 8: Incorrect syntax near
'@crDataTable'.'




  

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?



  

Have you outputted @crDataTable to see what the values is?



  

Also, what is the syntax error?






  

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 May 2005 13:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?



  

Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query
issue.  I have a
dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 '
where the 123 is some
numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this
table.   The
following query finds the table name and stores that name
in a variable, but
when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a syntax
error.  Any
suggestions on what is wrong with this or another way to
do this in SQL
Server?



  

--



  

DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)



  

SELECT @crDataTable = name
FROM sysobjects
WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'



  

DROP TABLE @crDataTable



  

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Thanks
-- Jeff









  

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RE: CF Performance

2005-05-05 Thread Calvin Ward
I could see someone using the server scope for this

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Performance

The latter, it would be totally unmanageable otherwise...



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From: Chad McCue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 May 2005 14:25
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF Performance

I will be developing a site that will be on its own dedicated server running
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they are registered it will develope a template site for them based on the
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My question is what would be more taxing on the server, to have 2000
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Re: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread Douglas Knudsen
you have these log files on your own server now? Use CF, I do this to give 
developers access to the logs without giving access to CFAdmin tool. Use 
cffile or cfhttp to read the file in and cfdump it outbamm! Easier to 
read then notepad for sure.

DK

On 5/5/05, C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   his CF log folder from his server, now is there an easier way to parse
 
   through the files to see where the errors are occurring than just
   opening them up in Notepad?
 
  If you use eclipse you could use the log file watcher that has been
  suggested by someone else and I bookmarked (altho as usual I haven't
  used it much yet but it is working in my 3.1 Eclipse).
 
 That's a really cool tool and I've added it to the list of things to
 install for Eclipse; unfortunately the files are going to be static
 now that they're on my server.
 
 I was able to read out a couple of things and am now in the process of
 putting in a more helpful error catcher. I'll track down these
 PEBKACs yet.
 
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RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Yep, you should always executeSQL over EXEC.





-Original Message-
From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 May 2005 14:28
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

Cool.  I am just looking for quick and dirty right now, so this syntax did
it.  You learn something new everyday.

Thanks everyone.


-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

You can't use variables in SQL server to represent objects (tables, view.
etc) -- you can only use them to represent columns. If you need to use one
to represent an object, then you have to either use exec() the sp_executeSQL
stored procedure or an ad-hoc query in CFML using a CF variable for the
table name.

exec syntax looks like this:

exec('drop table ' + @crDataTable)

or

exec sp_executeSQL N'drop table ' + @crDataTable'

The advantage of sp_executeSQL is that there's a version under .dbo.
in each catalog on your server which can be used to perform certain tasks
which SQL Server limits to not being allowed to specify a catalog name (in
other words,create view catalog.dbo.vMyView ...
will fail, but catalog.dbo.sp_executeSQL N'create view '... works fine).

hth

 Yep, if I change 'DROP TABLE' to 'PRINT', I get '_crData4012'.

 The error message just says 'Line 8: Incorrect syntax near 
 '@crDataTable'.'


 -Original Message-
 From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:41 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

 Have you outputted @crDataTable to see what the values is?

 Also, what is the syntax error?




 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 05 May 2005 13:35
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OT: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

 Sorry for the off-topic, but I am having a bit of a query issue.  I 
 have a dynamically created table that is named ' _crData123 '
 where the 123 is some
 numeric identifier.  Now, I need to be able to drop this
 table.   The
 following query finds the table name and stores that name in a 
 variable, but when I attempt to drop it via the variable, I get a 
 syntax error.  Any suggestions on what is wrong with this or another 
 way to do this in SQL Server?

 --

 DECLARE @crDataTable char(30)

 SELECT @crDataTable = name
 FROM sysobjects
 WHERE xtype='U' AND name LIKE '[_]crData%'

 DROP TABLE @crDataTable

 --

 Thanks
 -- Jeff







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RE: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Yep, you should always executeSQL over EXEC.

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Sent: 05 May 2005 14:28
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Cool.  I am just looking for quick and dirty right now, so this syntax did
it.  You learn something new everyday.

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RE: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread COLLIE David
  If you use eclipse you could use the log file watcher that has been 
  suggested by someone else and I bookmarked (altho as usual 
 I haven't 
  used it much yet but it is working in my 3.1 Eclipse).
 
 That's a really cool tool and I've added it to the list of 
 things to install for Eclipse; unfortunately the files are 
 going to be static now that they're on my server.

Yeah you can still use it on static log files tho... Thought I had
better test it worked properly  since I recommended it and that's what I
used, just a static one on my desktop.

I know what you mean about getting time to get to know all these
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Re: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread JediHomer
Mike Nimer has build a CF Log Tail plugin for Eclipse which is pretty cool...

http://www.mikenimer.com/eclipse/logviewer/index.cfm



On 5/5/05, C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   his CF log folder from his server, now is there an easier way to parse
 
   through the files to see where the errors are occurring than just
   opening them up in Notepad?
 
  If you use eclipse you could use the log file watcher that has been
  suggested by someone else and I bookmarked (altho as usual I haven't
  used it much yet but it is working in my 3.1 Eclipse).
 
 That's a really cool tool and I've added it to the list of things to
 install for Eclipse; unfortunately the files are going to be static
 now that they're on my server.
 
 I was able to read out a couple of things and am now in the process of
 putting in a more helpful error catcher.  I'll track down these
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Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Adrocknaphobia
But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web application
development, which is where ColdFusion would be a useful medium. I
don't have any exact numbers, but I can only imagine that more web
applications are being developed than desktop applications in the
corporate enviornment. So why are all the CS students graduating with
knowledge that only helps them in the minority of jobs?

-Adam

On 5/4/05, Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Why should CF be used as an option in a Computer Science curriculum over
 such languages as Java or C#?
 
 There is no reason at all.  Beginning students do start out with procedural
 programming, just to learn the basics - primitive datatypes (int, float,
 char, string) and operators.  They learn how to manipulate a single piece of
 data (string or number) and then groups of data using the array.  The entire
 time, they are not worried about form structures, variables passing out of
 scope, request/response, or anything that is common to internet programming.
 Furthermore, they do worry about datatypes and proper operations on those
 datatypes.
 
 They learn compilation, execution, and the difference between interpretation
 and compilation.
 
 Later on, objects and structures come into play.  Still data manipulation is
 focused on - not what the language is, or its idiosyncrasies. Furthermore,
 data output is usually limited to console, command-line output - not Windows
 or web pages, just line by line.  Later on, file output is done and bit
 manipulation at the file level is learned.
 
 Pointers and direct memory management come into play as well, and must be
 used to accomplish later assignments.
 
 The students use the same language they started with from beginning to end,
 unless the instructor allows advanced students to pick their language.  I
 chose to use VB 6.0 to write a compiler that blew away the rest of my class
 but simply because it looked good and they didn't know how to write in a
 visual language, not because it was so different than theirs.  A competent
 student doesn't need to be taught another programming language in order to
 start using it.
 
 CF does not accomplish most of what needs to be learned in a CS environment.
 It's a tool for writing web pages on internet/intranet.  It gets the job
 done, depending on the job.
 
 CF does many things for you - precisely why a curriculum shouldn't use it.
 It's why people can learn CF without knowing the nuts and bolts of
 programming.  It's also why those people don't get past CF.  I'm not even
 sure it should be an option in that curriculum.
 
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RE: CF Performance

2005-05-05 Thread Justin D. Scott
 My question is what would be more taxing on the server,
 to have 2000 seperate instances of the same cfcs for
 each site or to have one main folder with all the cfcs
 and each 2000 template sites running them.

Remember, ColdFusion will cache the compiled code in memory, so if you have
2000 copies of the same files, ColdFusion will cycle them in and out of
memory as it fills up and older ones get bumped out.  If you use the same
files and call them from all of the sites it will only need to load,
compile, and cache one of each, so it should be faster and a whole lot
easier to manage.


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RE: Column Header Sorting - WDDX

2005-05-05 Thread Taavon, James
Option A, columns be sortable. Only reason why I mentioned WDDX is
someone told they had done it that way, client-side. I was just looking
for options. If you have any, I would appreciate your suggestions.

Thanks...


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From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 6:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Column Header Sorting - WDDX

 Anyone ever implement Column Header Sorting using WDDX? If
 so, some sample code would be cool.

Do you mean for a search/list page? And if so, what is it you hope to
accomplish by applying WDDX -- a) that the columns will be sortable b)
that search criteria will be saved while sorting columns or c)
something else all-together?


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RE: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread COLLIE David
 Mike Nimer has build a CF Log Tail plugin for Eclipse which 
 is pretty cool...
 
 http://www.mikenimer.com/eclipse/logviewer/index.cfm
 

Cheers jedihomer... Might go and have to get that one too :)

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include not included with application variable

2005-05-05 Thread Daniel Kessler
go to: http://hhp.umd.edu/empower/consult_on_tap/why.cfm

in my Application.cfm file, I have:
cfset request.template_blocks = http://hhp.umd.edu/empower/template_blocks/;

On that page, I have the following code:
cfoutput
 cfinclude template=#request.template_blocks#banner.cfm
 cfinclude template=#request.template_blocks#nav_none.cfm
/cfoutput

I receive the error:
Could not find the included template 
http://hhp.umd.edu/empower/template_blocks/banner.cfm.
But if I go to the url that it could not find, I find the file fine.

I bet this is a known issue, but not known by me.  Help?!

thanks.

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RE: include not included with application variable

2005-05-05 Thread Justin D. Scott
 in my Application.cfm file, I have:
 cfset request.template_blocks = 
 http://hhp.umd.edu/empower/template_blocks/;
 
 On that page, I have the following code:
 cfoutput
  cfinclude template=#request.template_blocks#banner.cfm
  cfinclude template=#request.template_blocks#nav_none.cfm
 /cfoutput
 
 I receive the error:
 Could not find the included template 
 http://hhp.umd.edu/empower/template_blocks/banner.cfm.
 But if I go to the url that it could not find, I find the file fine.

CFINCLUDE only works with file system paths (full path or relative, or with
CF mappings).  It does not use URLs.  If you must use a URL, use CFHTTP to
pull it down instead.


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Re: SQL Drop Table using Variable?

2005-05-05 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 if you can't use the var to refer directly to an object...
 could you
 backdoor it and just use the var in a subselect? I know it
 looks a
 little redundant: (select name from names where name =
 'ken'), but it
 seems like you may be able to fake the funk.

 (I forget what the 'obj' table is in SQL Server, but...)
 Kind of like: drop table (select object_name from obj
 where object_name
 = @crDataTable)

 That way it's representing an object indirectly??? I have
 no idea if
 this will work, it's just the first thing that popped to
 mind after
 reading Isaac's post.

You know, I've never tried that with SQL Server... It doesn't seem
like the sort of feature they would have implemented, though I could
be wrong.

 I've not worked with SQL Server much in the last couple of
 years, but
 couldn't you do something like that? Also, are you doing
 this from a web
 app? If so, why not just assign the table name to a cf
 variable and do
 the drop table in a cfquery? 2 queries; get the table name
 in the first;
 set it to a cf var and then drop the table in the second.

Yeah, I typically do it with CF -- although I'll bet he already had
the table name, so he wouldn't have needed a 2nd query... but
occasionally I run into a task that's just easier to deal with in
Query Analyzer -- for instance here we have 2 servers and each server
has a couple dozen db's all with the same structure (mostly anyway)
and so when we make application changes, we need to propogate new
tables, columns, etc. to all the databases. I created a set of stored
procedures that propogate objects across the db's which use syntax
like this. That way I don't need a lot of CF code to handle keeping
our schemas updated, I just run sp_propogateView 'viewname',
sp_propogateTable 'tablename' or sp_propogateColumn 'tablename'
'column'. These gather the necessary meta-data from the
information_schema or system tables in our prototype project database
and push them out to the other projects. I know you can create objects
in any new db's by using the Model database in SQL server, but we're
using this for a lot of existing db's, so that's why we have to
propogate them.


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RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Matthew Small
CS programs don't worry where the output is going to, only the result.  Web
applications are only a subset of programming. The skills gained in college
are transferable to any application type.  

Furthermore, web programming does not usually use the skills learned at
higher levels (and CF in particular)- pointers - memory manipulation -
garbage collection - deep copy - data structures - sorting algorithms - file
structures - language compilation.  This is the stuff used by those who
write ColdFusion, C#, PHP, Adobe Photoshop and other applications.

Anyone knowing these things could easily pick up ColdFusion.  The reverse is
certainly not true.

The knowledge gained by CS students is mainly theory, but that student can
display greater breadth of knowledge of computing than someone just armed
with a CFWACK.  

- Matt Small


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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web application
development, which is where ColdFusion would be a useful medium. I
don't have any exact numbers, but I can only imagine that more web
applications are being developed than desktop applications in the
corporate enviornment. So why are all the CS students graduating with
knowledge that only helps them in the minority of jobs?

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RE: include not included with application variable

2005-05-05 Thread Damien McKenna
 -Original Message-
 From: Justin D. Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 CFINCLUDE only works with file system paths (full path or 
 relative, or with CF mappings).  It does not use URLs.  If
 you must use a URL, use CFHTTP to pull it down instead.

And also remember that you cannot CFHTTP a CFML file from a remote host
and expect to receive the CFML code, when you receive will be the parsed
output.  Just a friendly reminder.

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IIS LockDown Tool UrlScan runs after/before Jrun.dll ISAPI?

2005-05-05 Thread David Manriquez
hi ppl..

   i hope someone has been on the same situation before..

   i need to restrict for security reason the access to /CFIDE/main/ide.cfm
   for RDS in CF/IIS mixture :-)

   my question is  URlScan runs after or before Jrun.dll ISAPI FILTER?

 anyone knows?

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RE: Column Header Sorting - WDDX

2005-05-05 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 Option A, columns be sortable. Only reason why I mentioned
 WDDX is
 someone told they had done it that way, client-side. I was
 just looking
 for options. If you have any, I would appreciate your
 suggestions.

 Thanks...

Ahh client side... okay... I just needed clarification before I could
know if I could help. :)

Which... I can't really... I've avoided using client script for
sorting -- one of the _few_ things I've avoided using client script
for...



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Re: CFSCHEDULE ability to log in

2005-05-05 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 03 May 2005 00:03, Jim McAtee wrote:
 Can CFSCHEDULE login to this site properly using the username and password
 tag attributes or is it a bit more involved?

IIRC, if Windows can't auto locate your domain details, if falls back to the 
normal security method of prompting for them, so it should work.

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Re: IIS LockDown Tool UrlScan runs after/before Jrun.dll ISAPI?

2005-05-05 Thread Adrocknaphobia
The most secure model is not to deploy the CFAdmin at all to production systems.

-Adam

On 5/5/05, Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To my knowledge it executes before.
 
 -Adam
 
 On 5/5/05, David Manriquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hi ppl..
 
i hope someone has been on the same situation before..
 
i need to restrict for security reason the access to /CFIDE/main/ide.cfm
for RDS in CF/IIS mixture :-)
 
my question is  URlScan runs after or before Jrun.dll ISAPI FILTER?
 
  anyone knows?
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  

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Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Adrocknaphobia
True. But I'm not saying _not_ to teach C# and Java for overall CS
skills. I'm saying after the general knowledge of CS is taught,
colleges should focus on web applications as they make up the majority
of the jobs. There are quite a bit of skills that need to be aquired
to develop enterprise web applications. I'm just saying that in the
many times I worked with fresh CS students, they were not equipped to
develop web applications as someone who had been using CF for a few
years.

Regardless if its CF, .NET or J2EE. There are completely different
skill sets in web development vs desktop development. Universities
seems to focus heavily on desktop development, even though the vast
majority of the students will end up in a job writing web
applications. So yes there are alot of fundamentals gained in desktop
development, but there are also alot of skills lacking for web
development.

-Adam

On 5/5/05, Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 CS programs don't worry where the output is going to, only the result.  Web
 applications are only a subset of programming. The skills gained in college
 are transferable to any application type.
 
 Furthermore, web programming does not usually use the skills learned at
 higher levels (and CF in particular)- pointers - memory manipulation -
 garbage collection - deep copy - data structures - sorting algorithms - file
 structures - language compilation.  This is the stuff used by those who
 write ColdFusion, C#, PHP, Adobe Photoshop and other applications.
 
 Anyone knowing these things could easily pick up ColdFusion.  The reverse is
 certainly not true.
 
 The knowledge gained by CS students is mainly theory, but that student can
 display greater breadth of knowledge of computing than someone just armed
 with a CFWACK.
 
 - Matt Small
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:55 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?
 
 But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
 development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web application
 development, which is where ColdFusion would be a useful medium. I
 don't have any exact numbers, but I can only imagine that more web
 applications are being developed than desktop applications in the
 corporate enviornment. So why are all the CS students graduating with
 knowledge that only helps them in the minority of jobs?
 
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Re: IIS LockDown Tool UrlScan runs after/before Jrun.dll ISAPI?

2005-05-05 Thread Adrocknaphobia
To my knowledge it executes before.

-Adam

On 5/5/05, David Manriquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi ppl..
 
   i hope someone has been on the same situation before..
 
   i need to restrict for security reason the access to /CFIDE/main/ide.cfm
   for RDS in CF/IIS mixture :-)
 
   my question is  URlScan runs after or before Jrun.dll ISAPI FILTER?
 
 anyone knows?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 

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RE: CF Performance

2005-05-05 Thread Burns, John D
I think he's talking about instantiating the CFC once or 2000 times, not
actually writing 2000 copies of the CFC to the server. 


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Performance

 My question is what would be more taxing on the server, to have 2000 
 seperate instances of the same cfcs for each site or to have one main 
 folder with all the cfcs and each 2000 template sites running them.

Remember, ColdFusion will cache the compiled code in memory, so if you
have 2000 copies of the same files, ColdFusion will cycle them in and
out of memory as it fills up and older ones get bumped out.  If you use
the same files and call them from all of the sites it will only need to
load, compile, and cache one of each, so it should be faster and a whole
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Re: (YIKES) Parse someone else's CF Exception Log File

2005-05-05 Thread Scott Weikert
I've got a little script I wrote for my own use that's similar - it's 
just coded to look for the exception log file in its normal place, and then
display out errors 20 at a time, all grouped by the same error - viewing 
that log in CF Admin shows each line in the log separately, mine will 
group them by the error. It's just a CF script, not a standalone thing - 
I whipped it up so I could view the error logs from outside my normal 
working areas (i.e. we've got BlackIce running on our servers, and 
trying to hit the CF Admin can get one blocked if you're not on the 
happy list).

If anyone wants a copy, drop me a note off-list and I'll toss it over.

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RE: include not included with application variable

2005-05-05 Thread daniel kessler
k, thanks all.  good to know as I go forward.

 in my Application.cfm file, I have:

CFINCLUDE only works with file system paths (full path or relative, or with
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RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Calvin Ward
However, that doesn't mean that CS programs shouldn't include web
application technology and methodology, even if only as elective. 

I think part of the point is that web development languages are already in
play at colleges and university, and as CF developers, we would like to see
CF be the defacto language of choice for web development discussion at
colleges and universities, especially when compared to other languages such
as PHP or ASP.

I think that is a healthy direction for the CF community and would result in
a growth of awareness and appreciation over the long term for CF itself.

And btw, I know plenty of mainframe and Java developers who have little to
no understanding of developing web applications, CF aside. 

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

CS programs don't worry where the output is going to, only the result.  Web
applications are only a subset of programming. The skills gained in college
are transferable to any application type.  

Furthermore, web programming does not usually use the skills learned at
higher levels (and CF in particular)- pointers - memory manipulation -
garbage collection - deep copy - data structures - sorting algorithms - file
structures - language compilation.  This is the stuff used by those who
write ColdFusion, C#, PHP, Adobe Photoshop and other applications.

Anyone knowing these things could easily pick up ColdFusion.  The reverse is
certainly not true.

The knowledge gained by CS students is mainly theory, but that student can
display greater breadth of knowledge of computing than someone just armed
with a CFWACK.  

- Matt Small


-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web application
development, which is where ColdFusion would be a useful medium. I
don't have any exact numbers, but I can only imagine that more web
applications are being developed than desktop applications in the
corporate enviornment. So why are all the CS students graduating with
knowledge that only helps them in the minority of jobs?

-Adam





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RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Matthew Small
I worked with fresh CS students, [and] they were not equipped to
develop web applications as someone who had been using CF for a few
years.

Agreed - but that's true for any job.  Experience usually trumps knowledge.
But consider how many people who have been using CF for a few years, with no
CS experience, can move into a pure programming job (using C++, Java, etc)?
A CS student can do that. Again, a person with a few years of writing
real-world C++ or Java is going be better than the fresh CS student. A CS
student can move among the many disciplines of computer science because he's
got the fundamentals.

I'm just wondering - what is your source for saying that the vast majority
of jobs are going to be in web dev?

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RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Calvin Ward
I thought he said that the majority of new corporate apps are going to be
web apps...

I could agree with that prediction.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:56 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

I worked with fresh CS students, [and] they were not equipped to
develop web applications as someone who had been using CF for a few
years.

Agreed - but that's true for any job.  Experience usually trumps knowledge.
But consider how many people who have been using CF for a few years, with no
CS experience, can move into a pure programming job (using C++, Java, etc)?
A CS student can do that. Again, a person with a few years of writing
real-world C++ or Java is going be better than the fresh CS student. A CS
student can move among the many disciplines of computer science because he's
got the fundamentals.

I'm just wondering - what is your source for saying that the vast majority
of jobs are going to be in web dev?

- Matt Small





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Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/5/05, Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm just saying that in the
 many times I worked with fresh CS students, they were not equipped to
 develop web applications as someone who had been using CF for a few
 years.

My experience is that most CS students aren't equipped to build *any*
real world apps at all. The colleges just don't teach CS that way.

 Regardless if its CF, .NET or J2EE. There are completely different
 skill sets in web development vs desktop development.

Well, that's actually debatable in my opinion.

 Universities
 seems to focus heavily on desktop development, even though the vast
 majority of the students will end up in a job writing web
 applications.

I know very few CS students who ended up in web development - and most
of the web developers I meet have no CS background. Pretty much all
the CS folks I know ended up in server-side development or packaged
application development (boxed desktop or server software).

 On 5/5/05, Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyone knowing these [CS] things could easily pick up ColdFusion.  The 
  reverse is
  certainly not true.

Yeah, that I'll agree with.

  The knowledge gained by CS students is mainly theory, but that student can
  display greater breadth of knowledge of computing than someone just armed
  with a CFWACK.

Right, because the theory is important to *problem-solving* as well as
a basic understanding of algorithms etc.

Do I think CF should be taught in college? Only after teaching
programming basics in a 'purer' language. It's like the old argument
about BASIC. It's easy to learn but it's easy to learn bad habits. A
first language should keep you focused on best practices - once you've
got those, you can branch out. I learned Pascal first for good
practices and assembler for the nuts and bolts. Then I learned
FORTRAN, PL/1, Prolog, APL and a number of other languages. That core
set of skills has informed every language I've learned since and every
language I've learned has informed my software design skills. Teaching
just one language - any language - risks boxing people into one way of
thinking. Teaching 'easy' languages first risks people picking up bad
habits that can be hard to unlearn.
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RE: Controlling printers

2005-05-05 Thread Andy Ousterhout
For posterity

CFDocument lets me set print size, I can replicate number of copies
functionality with a loop, so basically gives me what I need without paying
$500 for an ActiveX, which seems to be the current price for this
functionality

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Andy Ousterhout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:41 AM
To: CF-Talk (E-mail)
Subject: Controlling printers


I would like to be able to do a number of print operations from my website.
Is there an ActiveX or some other control that I can use on local devices to
initiate printing.  I'd like to be able to control Printer device selection,
number of copies and paper size from an HTML page.   While free is nice, I am
willing to pay for this.

Regards,
Andy


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Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Alex Sherwood
agADave Watts wrote:

Get the shit out of your eyes, you simpleton.



While this wasn't directed at me, this kind of response really isn't called
for. Personally, when I want to insult someone on a mailing list, I try to
reach for the rapier rather than the cudgel, if you know what I mean.

  


Yes, Dave it was. It was in response to him oversimplifying and maiming 
the intent of my original post. The response was right on target: 
telling him to actually read the post (which I assumed he could not 
because of excrement blocking his vision), and a simpleton because the 
term is reflective of his actions of not being able to take my post for 
more than raw criticism.

Reaching for the rapier or a cudgel would not have been appropriate. My 
response was based on an earlier exchange of posts - it was not a 
baseless ad- hoymnum attack.

I did not say that I thought CF would die. On the contrary, I 
stated that I believed the MM would still invest time and 
resources into CFMX.



Well, we can all speculate on this until the cows come home, but why bother?
If you believe that MM will still invest time and resources into CFMX, why
not just let them choose how they want to handle advertising? What does
their internal view of CFMX matter, as long as they still invest the
appropriate time and resources into the product? Why do you think you're
more qualified to run their marketing than they are? They have a lot of
diverse products, and a similarly diverse audience of potential and actual
customers. Don't you think that they would spend more time pushing CF if
they thought that this would be more profitable than pushing something else?
  


I'm sorry...can you point me to the place in my original post in which I 
professed to know more about marketing MM's products then they do? 
Dave,  here is what I said:

--

Why am I mentioning this? Well, IMHO, it's a subtle but important 
indicator about MM's view of CFMX. It's not that they won't devote $$ 
and resources to its continued development, but it's clear that the 
broader reach products like Breeze and some of the Flash authoring 
tools will continue to force CFMX to  backstage 

--

My post was not only factual, but not a directive. I never directly or 
indirectly insinuated that MM should change their  marketing strategy. I only 
commented on what it actual was, and offered my opion on what the lack of 
exposure on MM's site on launch could mean.

As for the why bother, you're kidding right? Do you mean to tell me that 
Chris Berman the ESPN acnchor should sit still and just read the ball scores, 
without any commentary and anaylsis. Shoot, he can change the was Donovan 
McNabb plays, so why even bother talking about it, right? Just let McNabb throw 
the ball and report who scored more points on Sunday night?


I find it amazing that people will read one post which raises a minor issue and 
asks an open ended question about CF, and respond as if I'm advocating bringing 
Ted Bundy back from the dead to speak at DevCon in Anaheim!


People seem to be in the habit of comparing Macromedia's stewardship of CF
to the good ol' days of Allaire. Well, Allaire had how many products? One,
really, unless you count Allaire Forums and Spectra - both of which were
handled poorly, in my opinion. Oh, I forgot JRun - but neither Allaire nor
Macromedia really push that at all, they just used it to build a bunch of
other products.

  

Again, Dave, this is hyperbole. I only commented on CFMX7's exposure 
compared to other products on launch day (including the prior version of 
CFMX!) - not MM's stewardship compared to Allaire.

--
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RE: include not included with application variable

2005-05-05 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 in my Application.cfm file, I have:
 cfset request.template_blocks =
 http://hhp.umd.edu/empower/template_blocks/;

 On that page, I have the following code:
 cfoutput
  cfinclude
  template=#request.template_blocks#banner.cfm
  cfinclude
  template=#request.template_blocks#nav_none.cfm
 /cfoutput

 I receive the error:
 Could not find the included template
 http://hhp.umd.edu/empower/template_blocks/banner.cfm.
 But if I go to the url that it could not find, I find the
 file fine.

 CFINCLUDE only works with file system paths (full path or
 relative, or with
 CF mappings).  It does not use URLs.  If you must use a
 URL, use CFHTTP to
 pull it down instead.

Except it's never worked with full paths that I know of.

There is a getRelative() function I posted to http://www.cflib.org to
get a relative path from the current template to an absolute path on
the same drive (or root directory on *nix). In the onTap framework
this function was changed to getPathTo() because getRelative() was
just too ambiguous, and I added some caching to make the function
operate faster. Something like this would allow you to use an absolute
path in a cfinclude tag, i.e. cfinclude
template=#getPathTo(absolutepath)#


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RE: Basic web interface question

2005-05-05 Thread Dawson, Michael
How about an iframe on the same page?  When you search for an item, then
click on it, the iframe is populated with the detailed data.  Then, you
can submit that form, but stay on the search results as well.

M!ke 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Basic web interface question

It's not like I haven't done this before, in various ways, but I might
as well ask as long as I'm rethinking life...

Say you have the very normal situation with search screen leading to a
list of records, drill in to edit or create one. Where do you take the
user when they save an edited record?

- Back to the record list, with their previous search criteria still in
place? That seems most intuitive, but it means hanging on to those
search criteria while editing, which is potentially a multiple-screen
wizard-like thing. Not impossible by any means, but an architectural
commitment, if you're thinking generically.

- Another way to manage a similar net effect would be to open the edit
screen in a new window, and have it close and refresh the list window
when done. That's what I've often done, but some users find the new
window thing confusing, particularly if it comes up maximized and they
don't even realize it's a new window.

- Back to the search screen? Kind of annoying if it didn't remember
their search criteria, so see above.

- Back to the record list, but with only that one record showing? Not
particularly functional.

Other ideas?

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RE: Basic web interface question

2005-05-05 Thread Dawson, Michael
 Other ideas?

This is somewhat related, but I usually provide two save buttons:
Save and Close and Save and New.

Close will take you back to a list.  New will submit the form and then
present a blank form for the next entry.
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RE: IIS LockDown Tool UrlScan runs after/before Jrun.dll ISAPI?

2005-05-05 Thread Andy Mcshane
This may be a daft question but how do you prevent/disable/uninstall the 
CFAdmin when installing Coldfusion?



From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 05/05/2005 15:39
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: IIS LockDown Tool UrlScan runs after/before Jrun.dll ISAPI?



The most secure model is not to deploy the CFAdmin at all to production systems.

-Adam

On 5/5/05, Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To my knowledge it executes before.

 -Adam

 On 5/5/05, David Manriquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hi ppl..
 
i hope someone has been on the same situation before..
 
i need to restrict for security reason the access to /CFIDE/main/ide.cfm
for RDS in CF/IIS mixture :-)
 
my question is  URlScan runs after or before Jrun.dll ISAPI FILTER?
 
  anyone knows?
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
 



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RE: IIS LockDown Tool UrlScan runs after/before Jrun.dll ISAPI?

2005-05-05 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Delete the folder will remove it.  Or a safer option is to rename or move it
to a secure location.



-Original Message-
From: Andy Mcshane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 May 2005 17:04
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: IIS LockDown Tool UrlScan runs after/before Jrun.dll ISAPI?

This may be a daft question but how do you prevent/disable/uninstall the
CFAdmin when installing Coldfusion?



From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 05/05/2005 15:39
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: IIS LockDown Tool UrlScan runs after/before Jrun.dll ISAPI?



The most secure model is not to deploy the CFAdmin at all to production
systems.

-Adam

On 5/5/05, Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To my knowledge it executes before.

 -Adam

 On 5/5/05, David Manriquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hi ppl..
 
i hope someone has been on the same situation before..
 
i need to restrict for security reason the access to
/CFIDE/main/ide.cfm
for RDS in CF/IIS mixture :-)
 
my question is  URlScan runs after or before Jrun.dll ISAPI FILTER?
 
  anyone knows?
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
 





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OT: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread Greg Morphis
You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
similar - related colors (colors that go well with the color you
spied)? Free would be best..
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RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Calvin Ward
I completely disagree. There's never a good enough reason to start throwing
around profanity and insulting people on a list intended for a group of
professionals.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

agADave Watts wrote:

Get the shit out of your eyes, you simpleton.



While this wasn't directed at me, this kind of response really isn't called
for. Personally, when I want to insult someone on a mailing list, I try to
reach for the rapier rather than the cudgel, if you know what I mean.

  


Yes, Dave it was. It was in response to him oversimplifying and maiming 
the intent of my original post. The response was right on target: 
telling him to actually read the post (which I assumed he could not 
because of excrement blocking his vision), and a simpleton because the 
term is reflective of his actions of not being able to take my post for 
more than raw criticism.


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Re: Column Header Sorting - WDDX

2005-05-05 Thread Rick Mason
James,
 Perhaps this would help do what you need:
 http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/
  Rick Mason

 On 5/5/05, Taavon, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 Option A, columns be sortable. Only reason why I mentioned WDDX is
 someone told they had done it that way, client-side. I was just looking
 for options. If you have any, I would appreciate your suggestions.
 
 Thanks...
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 6:35 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Column Header Sorting - WDDX
 
  Anyone ever implement Column Header Sorting using WDDX? If
  so, some sample code would be cool.
 
 Do you mean for a search/list page? And if so, what is it you hope to
 accomplish by applying WDDX -- a) that the columns will be sortable b)
 that search criteria will be saved while sorting columns or c)
 something else all-together?
 
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RE: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread COLLIE David
 You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and 
 also shows similar - related colors (colors that go well with 
 the color you spied)? Free would be best..

One I used and a decent article for the color-ly challenged.

http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/style/color/wheel.html
http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/creating_colour_palettes.html

HTH

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Re: OT: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread Rick Mason
Greg,
 This is the best one that I've found:
 http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
  Rick Mason
 

 On 5/5/05, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
 similar - related colors (colors that go well with the color you
 spied)? Free would be best..
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RE: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

2005-05-05 Thread Connie DeCinko
I thing I hate, not about CFWebStore, but about Fusebox, is the URLs that it
forces you to use.  Is there no way to hide that complexity and use simple
URLs?
 

-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CF-Talk) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

The online boutique at seacrets.com is a customized cfwebstore. Yes, the 
FB3 code took me a while to figure (and to think I'm trying to learn 
mach-ii now;), but I was able to put together a custom layout in a 
fairly short period of time. I've seen several code updates come out in 
the few months I've had it, including one major upgrade, so Mary Jo 
seems to be constantly working to improve the code and integrate 
suggested features. A few quirks here and there in my dev process, like 
no built in MySQL support, but the dev forum for the product is pretty 
responsive so I cleared this hurdle with little difficulty. I'd say it's 
worth the price...

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Re: OT: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread Rob
Firefox has an extension 
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxcategory=Developer%20Toolsnumpg=10id=271
I think that's what you mean. 

As for suggesting colors, isn't that a bit subjective? I don't know
how it would do that, but that plug in does not suggest anything - I'd
like to see a tool that does suggest colors though just to see how it
would work.

On 5/5/05, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
 similar - related colors (colors that go well with the color you
 spied)? Free would be best..
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Re: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

2005-05-05 Thread Ray Champagne
What's wrong with using SES URL's?  They aren't as simple, but if they 
are indexed by the SE's, then who cares?

And Connie, I think you just opened up Pandora's box.  Let the Fusebox 
debates begin!  :)

Ray

Connie DeCinko wrote:
 I thing I hate, not about CFWebStore, but about Fusebox, is the URLs that it
 forces you to use.  Is there no way to hide that complexity and use simple
 URLs?
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Cutter (CF-Talk) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:13 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement
 
 The online boutique at seacrets.com is a customized cfwebstore. Yes, the 
 FB3 code took me a while to figure (and to think I'm trying to learn 
 mach-ii now;), but I was able to put together a custom layout in a 
 fairly short period of time. I've seen several code updates come out in 
 the few months I've had it, including one major upgrade, so Mary Jo 
 seems to be constantly working to improve the code and integrate 
 suggested features. A few quirks here and there in my dev process, like 
 no built in MySQL support, but the dev forum for the product is pretty 
 responsive so I cleared this hurdle with little difficulty. I'd say it's 
 worth the price...
 
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Re: OT: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread Greg Morphis
Yeah, I really like that one too. I can use a color spy and get a hex
value and plug it into that and get a few difference variances.
Thanks!

On 5/5/05, Rick Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greg,
  This is the best one that I've found:
  http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
   Rick Mason
 
 
  On 5/5/05, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
  similar - related colors (colors that go well with the color you
  spied)? Free would be best..
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RE: OT: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread David Manriquez
Isn't free but nifty

Color Wheel Pro
http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/

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-Mensaje original-
De: Rick Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviado el: Jueves, 05 de Mayo de 2005 12:31
Para: CF-Talk
Asunto: Re: OT: Color Spies

Greg,
 This is the best one that I've found:
 http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
  Rick Mason
 

 On 5/5/05, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
 similar - related colors (colors that go well with the color you
 spied)? Free would be best..
 --
 Auxilium meum a Domino
 
 



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RE: Column Header Sorting - WDDX

2005-05-05 Thread Taavon, James
Rick, at first glance this looks like it will satisfy my needs. I will
let you know if I have any questions.

Thanks.

James





-Original Message-
From: Rick Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Column Header Sorting - WDDX

James,
 Perhaps this would help do what you need:
 http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/
  Rick Mason

 On 5/5/05, Taavon, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 Option A, columns be sortable. Only reason why I mentioned WDDX is
 someone told they had done it that way, client-side. I was just
looking
 for options. If you have any, I would appreciate your suggestions.
 
 Thanks...
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 6:35 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Column Header Sorting - WDDX
 
  Anyone ever implement Column Header Sorting using WDDX? If
  so, some sample code would be cool.
 
 Do you mean for a search/list page? And if so, what is it you hope to
 accomplish by applying WDDX -- a) that the columns will be sortable b)
 that search criteria will be saved while sorting columns or c)
 something else all-together?
 
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Re: OT: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread Greg Morphis
Not really suggest colors but given a color give various shades of
that color that go together, colors that play well.

On 5/5/05, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Firefox has an extension
 https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxcategory=Developer%20Toolsnumpg=10id=271
 I think that's what you mean.
 
 As for suggesting colors, isn't that a bit subjective? I don't know
 how it would do that, but that plug in does not suggest anything - I'd
 like to see a tool that does suggest colors though just to see how it
 would work.
 
 On 5/5/05, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
  similar - related colors (colors that go well with the color you
  spied)? Free would be best..
  --
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CFML tool similar to Horde?

2005-05-05 Thread Damien McKenna
Does anyone know of a CFML tool that is similar to Horde?
 
Horde (http://www.horde.org/) is a PHP application framework that has
lots of powerful features - authentication, authorization, file
management, etc.  The cool thing is that there are lots of canned
applications that are available to work with it, e.g. a webmail client,
addressbook, to-do list, calendar, etc, and many of them integrate well,
e.g. you can set the calendar to show due dates for pending tasks, etc.
 
So does anyone know of something similar written in CFML?  Thanks.
 
-- 
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SQL Designer for MS SQL-Server

2005-05-05 Thread Richard Colman
Does anyone know if there is a SQL query designer (maybe similar to ACCESS
designer) buried somewhere in the SQL-Server 2000 package. I have looked and
looked and can't seem to find it.

TNX.

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Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

2005-05-05 Thread Alex Sherwood
This was also after Adrocknaphobia said the following:

---

Yes, your rants and paranoid conspiracy theories belong on a personal
blog... for which I will avoid.

---

Calling him a simpleton was warranted.


-=-=-=
Alex



Calvin Ward wrote:

I completely disagree. There's never a good enough reason to start throwing
around profanity and insulting people on a list intended for a group of
professionals.

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

agADave Watts wrote:

  

Get the shit out of your eyes, you simpleton.
   

  

While this wasn't directed at me, this kind of response really isn't called
for. Personally, when I want to insult someone on a mailing list, I try to
reach for the rapier rather than the cudgel, if you know what I mean.

 





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Re: OT: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread Douglas Knudsen
besides teh firefox plugin, I use stuff from here

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/free-web-design-apps

http://afpwebworks.com/colourschemer/
is an online colour schemer thingy

DK

On 5/5/05, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Not really suggest colors but given a color give various shades of
 that color that go together, colors that play well.
 
 On 5/5/05, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Firefox has an extension
  
 https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxcategory=Developer%20Toolsnumpg=10id=271
  I think that's what you mean.
 
  As for suggesting colors, isn't that a bit subjective? I don't know
  how it would do that, but that plug in does not suggest anything - I'd
  like to see a tool that does suggest colors though just to see how it
  would work.
 
  On 5/5/05, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
   similar - related colors (colors that go well with the color you
   spied)? Free would be best..
   --
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import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Hey All,

I've taken over a MySQL based project and I need to suck the tables and data in 
MS SQL Server 2000.

I fired up DTS and don't see any options for importing from MySQL (and I'm not 
sure how MySQL stores data...what kind of file extension etc.).

So...anybody have a few pointers to get me going?

I looked at using an ODBC datasource for the importbut I can't figure out 
how to setup a datasource pointing to my local copy of the MySQL DB.  There's 
definately something that is escaping me right now...and I know it's going to 
be simple ;-)

Thanks in advance

BTW...This is on XP Pro SP2...MySQL 4.1.11also have CF MX 7 Dev edition for 
J2EE

Cheers

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RE: SQL Designer for MS SQL-Server

2005-05-05 Thread Connie DeCinko
Might not help but the CF Report Builder has such an animal.  Very easy for
someone used to drag and drop like in Access.
 

-Original Message-
From: Richard Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SQL Designer for MS SQL-Server

Does anyone know if there is a SQL query designer (maybe similar to ACCESS
designer) buried somewhere in the SQL-Server 2000 package. I have looked and
looked and can't seem to find it.

TNX.

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RE: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

2005-05-05 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
I thing I hate, not about CFWebStore, but about Fusebox, is the URLs that it
forces you to use.  Is there no way to hide that complexity and use simple
URLs?

Guess I might as weigh in on this, since it's my product we are discussing! I 
wasn't a huge Fusebox fan before, but I have to admit, it really has grown on 
me as I've used it these last couple years. There are some real benefits to 
using it, particularly for a 3rd-party application like CFWebstore. Not the 
least of which is using a methodology that is fairly well known and is well 
worth learning even if you've not used it before. 

Actually, one of the nicest things about Fusebox is that it hides the 
complexity of your directory structure. I can break the application structure 
down into many subdirectories and organize it exactly how I want, and yet the 
customer never goes past the top directory. That to me is far more useful than 
worrying about the URL, which few if any regular users would even look at. In 
some ways, it makes the URL a lot *less* complicated, since they won't ever see 
a big long file path. It makes doing layouts *far* easier than my older 
versions, where you had to worry about paths to different files and images if 
you were down in the subdirectories. 

Now there *are* ways to use simpler URLs, if that really is of importance to 
you. I actually include a little shortcut page for sending out links to 
product pages so you don't have to use the longer, more complex FB URL. It 
takes a link that looks like go.cfm?id=2 and redirects the user to the 
cooresponding product page. You could easily recode this to actually include 
the product page directly and you could do something similar for category and 
other store pages if desired. But again, I don't know that there's really much 
benefit to this. 

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RE: CFML tool similar to Horde?

2005-05-05 Thread Justin D. Scott
 Does anyone know of a CFML tool that is similar
 to Horde?

I don't know how similar it is to Horde (since I've never used it), but
EcoBuilder has a lot of the features you mentioned.

http://www.ecobuilder.com/


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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
 
 I've taken over a MySQL based project and I need to suck the tables and data 
 in MS SQL Server 2000.
 
 I fired up DTS and don't see any options for importing from MySQL (and I'm 
 not sure how MySQL stores data...what kind of file extension etc.).

MySQL is not file based like Access. You need to have a copy of 
MySQL installed and running.


 I looked at using an ODBC datasource for the importbut I can't figure out 
 how to setup a datasource pointing to my local copy of the MySQL DB.

ODBC is the way to go. Point it to port 3306 of the server 
running MySQL.

Jochem

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java.net.SocketException Error?

2005-05-05 Thread Deanna Schneider
Hey all,
I've recently started getting this error on a site that we're testing. I 
haven't found much on google.

The error is thrown by this function, which is in a cfc. It's intermittent, 
though. I can use it to browse the same file, and I don't get the error.

cffunction name=serveDocument access=public returntype=string 
output=false
  cfargument name=file type=string required=yes
  cfargument name=path required=true type=string 
default=#variables.documentpath#

  cfset var contenttype = variables.utilities.getMimeType(arguments.file)
  cfset var returnString = 

  cfif checkfile(arguments.file, arguments.path)
  cfsavecontent variable=returnString
  CFHEADER NAME=Content-Disposition VALUE=inline; 
filename=#arguments.file#
  cfcontent type=#contenttype# file=#arguments.path##arguments.file#
  /cfsavecontent
  cfelse
  cfsaveContent variable=returnString
  h1Error!/h1
  pThe document you are trying to access does not exist. We apologize for 
the inconvenience./p
  /cfsavecontent
  /cfif
 cfreturn returnString /
/cffunction


Anyone have any thoughts?

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RE: Color Spies

2005-05-05 Thread Rebecca Wells
Here's a nice one:
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CFHTTP problem

2005-05-05 Thread David Critchley
I am trying to extract data from a textfile database, using CFHTTP.  The 
problem I am running into is that there are null fields in the textfile 
database and CFHTTP is then counting two fields as one (tab seperated).  For 
example, in my textfile there will be something like this:

field1 field2 field3
data data data
data  data
data data data

I am getting an Incorrect number of columns error, because coldfusion is 
missing the null field and counting only 2 fields for the second row of data.  
Has anyone else come accross this, or have any suggestions?  I have considered 
using the replace function on the variable and replacing all double tabs with a 
tabspacetab.  But this to me seems like a poor work around.

I am using CFHTTP url=#pathtofile# columns=field1,field2,field3 
firstrowasheaders=yes delimiter=tab/CFHTTP

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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 MySQL is not file based like Access. You need to have a copy of
 MySQL installed and running.

I do JochemMySQL 4.1.11...with an imported copy of the live database ;-)

As I mentionedI can't figure out how to setup the ODBC connection to my 
local copy of the MySQL DBthere do not seem to be any suitable drivers 
listed in the Windows ODBC setupany ideas??

Thanks

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RE: Basic web interface question

2005-05-05 Thread Dave Merrill
 In my own
 applications I tend to send the user back to the list page (typically
 not a search page, just a sortable list that's optionally paginated
 based on their user preferences -- these pages can become search pages
 pretty easily because the framework automates filters on their
 columns, so I can automatically get all the contacts with bob
 somewhere in their name by typing membername=bob into the url.)
   [...]
 s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080

Isaac, you're not suggesting that the *user* type membername=bob into the
url to search, are you?

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RE: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

2005-05-05 Thread Connie DeCinko
That's my main concern, the guy who emails a page and says, go buy this, or
check this out!  Otherwise, no one looks at the URL other than to type in
the location of your home page.  Even via search engine, it could be 800
characters long but who cares if you just click a link to it.


-Original Message-
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

I thing I hate, not about CFWebStore, but about Fusebox, is the URLs that
it
forces you to use.  Is there no way to hide that complexity and use simple
URLs?

Now there *are* ways to use simpler URLs, if that really is of importance to
you. I actually include a little shortcut page for sending out links to
product pages so you don't have to use the longer, more complex FB URL. It
takes a link that looks like go.cfm?id=2 and redirects the user to the
cooresponding product page. You could easily recode this to actually include
the product page directly and you could do something similar for category
and other store pages if desired. But again, I don't know that there's
really much benefit to this. 

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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Matt Robertson
Go to the mysql site and download myODBC.  Install it and then make
your ODBC connection via the Windows ODBC control panel applet.  Once
myODBC is in you'll have a mySQL choice on the dbtype list.


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RE: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Connie DeCinko
Or go the other way, export out of MySQL and import into MSSQL instead of
pulling in.  You should be able to export in many different flavors.





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Re: SQL Designer for MS SQL-Server

2005-05-05 Thread Lee
Have you tried the built in tools in Enterprise Manager? 
Open Enterprise Manager and navigate down to your one of 
the tables and right click to open table / Query. You can 
visually add tables and query parameters etc.

Lee

On Thu, 5 May 2005 09:47:07 -0700
  Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone know if there is a SQL query designer (maybe 
similar to ACCESS
 designer) buried somewhere in the SQL-Server 2000 
package. I have looked and
 looked and can't seem to find it.
 
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RE: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Connie DeCinko
You have to download the ODBC drivers from the MySQL web site. 

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

As I mentionedI can't figure out how to setup the ODBC connection to my 
local copy of the MySQL DBthere do not seem to be any suitable drivers 
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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Richard Crawford
On Thursday 05 May 2005 10:32, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
  MySQL is not file based like Access. You need to have a copy of
  MySQL installed and running.

 I do JochemMySQL 4.1.11...with an imported copy of the live database
 ;-);-)

 As I mentionedI can't figure out how to setup the ODBC connection to my
 local copy of the MySQL DBthere do not seem to be any suitable drivers
 listed in the Windows ODBC setupany ideas??

If you insist on converting from MySQL to MS SQL Server (a concept which 
boggles me, to be honest), try executing a mysqldump from the DOS command 
line to get a copy of the database, then importing the resulting file into 
SQL Server.  Mind you, I've never tried this personally, but I have done it 
the other way around.

I'm not sure ODBC drivers exist for MySQL.  Although I work with both 
platforms, I've never had a need to connect a SQL Server database to a MySQL 
database.

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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 Or go the other way, export out of MySQL and import into MSSQL instead of
 pulling in.  You should be able to export in many different flavors.

The 30 day eval of the MySQL admin tool I'm using only exports 1 table at a 
time!!so I'll go the ODBC route...but thanks Connie

Cheers

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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Adrian Moreno
Bryan, 

CFMX ships with a MySQL driver compatible with MySQL 3.23 - 4.0.x. MySQL 4.1 
changed the password algorithm, so the driver doesn't work as-is with 4.1+. 
Read this Technote for how setup CFMX with MySQL 4.1:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/6ef0253

Alternately, you can configure MySQL to startup using the old password style. 
This would allow the current CFMX MySQL driver to work. 

If you want a GUI for MySQL, check out 
http://www.mysql.com/products/administrator/
and 
http://www.mysql.com/products/query-browser/

HTH, 

Adrian

 MySQL is not file based like Access. You need to have a copy of
 MySQL installed and running.

I do JochemMySQL 4.1.11...with an imported copy of the live database ;-)

As I mentionedI can't figure out how to setup the ODBC connection to my 
local copy of the MySQL DBthere do not seem to be any suitable drivers 
listed in the Windows ODBC setupany ideas??

Thanks

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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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fax: 250.480.1264
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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 If you insist on converting from MySQL to MS SQL Server (a concept which
 boggles me, to be honest),

LMAO...I was waiting for this one...umm Richard...it's because MySQL no 
matter what anybody says is not an enterprise level DB (yet)refrerential 
integrity comes to mind ;-)

Please...lets not start this debateI have my answerleave it be folks

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Re: CFML tool similar to Horde?

2005-05-05 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 Does anyone know of a CFML tool that is similar to Horde?

 Horde (http://www.horde.org/) is a PHP application
 framework that has
 lots of powerful features - authentication, authorization,
 file
 management, etc.  The cool thing is that there are lots of
 canned
 applications that are available to work with it, e.g. a
 webmail client,
 addressbook, to-do list, calendar, etc, and many of them
 integrate well,
 e.g. you can set the calendar to show due dates for
 pending tasks, etc.

 So does anyone know of something similar written in CFML?
 Thanks.

It's the intended direction of the onTap framework... It lacks a
wealth of pre-built plugin applications as of yet, but it's getting
there. I just rebuilt the member management  security suite - lots of
improvements, including i18n and nested regions of arbitrary depth
(i.e. US  TX or US  Southwest  TX  DFW  Dallas County  Dallas 
Deep Ellum dependant on your app's needs for regional granularity).

What other features are you interested in in particular? Of the
available frameworks / tools for CF, onTap has the most modular
presentation tools (modification of html output to the level of
individual in-line css properties and fragments of javascript
event-handlers), and arguably the most flexible/powerful plugin
framework (installing new plugins requires _no_ modifications to
existing files, programatic or otherwise and is able to modify or
replace just about any part of the framework or any application built
with it). Lots of localization and branding features not available
with native CFML, CFC enhancements, file management tools, database
access tools (both DML and DDL with common syntax for MySQL, MSSQL,
Oracle and Access and potentially other db's).

The last few days I've been focusing my energies pretty heavily on a
RuleManager.cfc engine for setting up arbitrary business rules using
XML and CFC's. So the same engine would be useful for email filters,
determination of due dates for deposits / commissions, applicability
of discounts, presentation of content (by date/time, locale), etc. and
could be used with hand-generated xml, programmatically generated xml,
or xml generated via a built-in user interface that can be customized
for different contexts.

I actually changed the license on the framework core yesterday to the
OpenBSD license Jim Davis is using for his libraries. I had been using
the L-GPL but decided to switch because of some confusion surrounding
the (L-)GPL and because the OpenBSD license is a bit more lenient and
I'm really not concerned about people providing source for the
framework if they use it to build commercial applications. I plan to
update the Plugin Manager and the Members onTap plugin with the new
license tonight.

ASSIDE: I didn't get around to it last night because I made the
mistake of watching Saw with Tiff on pay-per-view. Would be nice to
get our $3 back... with interest.


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SOLVED Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Thanks Matt...that's sounds like the missing piece (new it would be simple) 
;-)

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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Ken Ferguson
go to the mysql bin directory on the cmd line.

mysqldump -u username -p -d databasename  c:\dumpfile.sql
password:**

Now go look at that file. It's all the creates and inserts you need. I 
would assume this would work for you


Bryan Stevenson wrote:

Or go the other way, export out of MySQL and import into MSSQL instead of
pulling in.  You should be able to export in many different flavors.



The 30 day eval of the MySQL admin tool I'm using only exports 1 table at a 
time!!so I'll go the ODBC route...but thanks Connie

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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Adrian Moreno
 If you insist on converting from MySQL to MS SQL Server (a concept which
 boggles me, to be honest),

LMAO...I was waiting for this one...umm Richard...it's because MySQL no 
matter what anybody says is not an enterprise level DB (yet)refrerential 
integrity comes to mind ;-)

I think Sabre Holdings would strongly argue with you about that:

http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/press-release/release_2003_33.html
Sabre Holdings, an SP 500 company, retails travel products and provides 
distribution and technology solutions for the travel industry. The MySQL 
database version 4.0 with the transactional engine is the data management 
backbone supporting the memory intensive searches performed on Sabre Holdings 
Air Shopping products. The ATSE platform continuously updates 20 million fare 
and rule records and 1.5 million schedules with no down time, delivering online 
schedules, availability, itinerary pricing and low fare searches for Sabre 
Holdings’ global network of partner and customer companies.

but I'll leave it be. :)

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Re: Good Miva Merchant Store replacement

2005-05-05 Thread James Edmunds
I have had good success with Cartweaver:

http://cartweaver.com/

I began using it originally because it was all CF, with all the code being 
very well documented, which meant that I could customize it easily.

I have it in use on two web sites now, in neither case out of the box, but 
rather integrated into sites for which e-commerce is only one portion of 
what goes on. What was nice was how easy it was to plunk in the 
functionality I needed by using Cartweaver.

The mods I have made were easy to figure out, and the support newsgroup is 
very helpful.

HTH,

James Edmunds
New Iberia, LA

On 5/4/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I'm looking for some recommendations for an Ecommerce store replacement. 
 Currently, we have a customer that uses MivaMerchant, but it pretty much 
 sucks and they're having all kinds of problems. I, personally, would prefer 
 a CF store with the ability for me to modify code and/or build interfaces as 
 needed. However, the server supports .NET and PHP as well. The requirements 
 for the software is that is support multiple stores and interface with 
 Authorize.net http://Authorize.net and Paypal for payments. Any 
 suggestions for or against any products would be appreciated.
 
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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Stephen Moretti
Bryan Stevenson wrote:

Or go the other way, export out of MySQL and import into MSSQL instead of
pulling in.  You should be able to export in many different flavors.



The 30 day eval of the MySQL admin tool I'm using only exports 1 table at a 
time!!so I'll go the ODBC route...but thanks Connie
  

Check out the free MySQL admin tool - also on the MySQL website 
(http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/) - the back up options on there should 
be able to give you an complete export to SQL.  You will need to look at 
the setting to see if you can get it to export in ansi standard SQL 
rather than ansi with a mysql twist.  At the very least you can get a 
stack of SQL out and tweak it by hand.

I think Intel, Yahoo, Lycos, Associated Press, CISCO, Sony, McAfee, 
Hewlett-Packard, lastminute.com, Nokia, Nasa ... would disagree 
with you on your suggestion that MySQL is not an enterprise solution, 
but as you say you've made your decision, so I'll leave it at that. ;)

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RE: CFML tool similar to Horde?

2005-05-05 Thread Damien McKenna
Very interesting, S.  I'll keep an eye on it.  Thanks.

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 It's the intended direction of the onTap framework...


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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Matt Woodward
I'm not sure ODBC drivers exist for MySQL.  Although I work with both 
platforms, I've never had a need to connect a SQL Server database to a MySQL 
database.

As others have suggested, by far the simplest way to do this is to download the 
ODBC drivers from the MySQL web site.  Install those on your WIndows box (you 
don't even have to have MySQL installed on the box you're using to facilitate 
the transfer), set up an system ODBC datasource that points to the MySQL 
database, and then fire up Enterprise Manager and use DTS.

I just did this exact this on a database last night.  Couple of things to note:
1. Double-check the field lengths for varchar datatypes.  Mine all came out 
wacky on the SQL Server side, so just check them before you run the DTS job.

2. At least when I did this, SQL Server does not retain the primary keys as 
defined in MySQL, so you just have to go in and define those after you run the 
DTS (at least that's what I did).

Other than those two minor issues I had no troubles!

Matt

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Re: import from MySQL to MS SQL

2005-05-05 Thread Richard Crawford
On Thursday 05 May 2005 10:53, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
 LMAO...I was waiting for this one...umm Richard...it's because MySQL no
 matter what anybody says is not an enterprise level DB
 (yet)refrerential integrity comes to mind ;-);-)

Heh.  Well, note that I didn't go into *why* it boggled my mind (in the first 
draft of my e-mail, I did, but then decided to go ahead and delete that 
part).

Personally, even for the biggest sites I've run, I've never needed a 
full-fledged enterprise level database.  If I did, though, I'd probably go 
with Oracle or some other vendor, if only because we're a Linux shop and I'd 
prefer to avoid a multiplicity of platforms.  Of course, Oracle has its own 
issues; among them, the corporation is run by a madman bent on world 
domination, who makes Hank Scorpio look like a smalltime crook.

Hm, one organization that I interact with which has enterprise scale database 
needs uses PostGreSQL, another FLOSS product; however, I'm not sure if that 
one is available for 'doze.

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