Re: Dealing with users

2005-06-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten
C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
 The problem is that there are a couple bad apples who blow through the
 surveys rating someone either all 1s or all 5s, throwing off that person's
 ratings and effectively ruining the value of the performance review.
 The surveys are all anonymous, so I can't simply go to the person entering
 the survey and tell him/her to stop cheating.
 
 Can anyone think of a way to monitor and block the cheaters?
 
 At the school where I went we were told that all straight-line
 surveys would not be counted.  Additionally we had to indicate that we
 had completed the survey by marking a completed circle (these were
 paper surveys, scantron style).
 
 You're talking more about a judgement call than a logical one.

Not at all. Outlier detection is a branch of statistics that is a 
genuine science with strict rules. (But also something I do not 
have fond memories off.)

To do it quick and dirty I would look along the lines of:
- calculate the averags of all entries
- calculate the standard deviation of all entries
- calculate the mean of all entries
- calculate the number of entries that deviate from the mean
Then look for entries with a low standard deviation (indicating 
somebody used the same answer everywhere), entries with a high 
standard deviation (randm) or entries with a medium/high standard 
deviation but a low number of entries deviating from the mean 
(all 1 and a few 5 or vice-versa).
Add additional checks to see if all answers occur at least once 
etc. and when calculating the results look into presenting it 
graphically with a dot for the average and a line indicating the 
relative size of the standard deviation.
Most databases have statistical functions that can help.

If you want to do it right, buy a book on statistics.

Jochem

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RE: Dynamic array names HELP!!!!

2005-06-02 Thread Pascal Peters
Create a structure of arrays based on the employee number instead of
having dynamic names.

EmployeAry = StructNew();

EmployeAry[EmployeeNumber][RowNu_][1] =
CalendarInfo.EmployeeNumber[CurRow];

Otherwise you will need the functions ArrayAppend and ArrayInsertAt

Pascal

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 02 June 2005 05:28
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Dynamic array names HELP
 
 I need it to work in CF5. We do not have CFMX running on my server,
 for now. This did work in CFMX but not in CF5.
 
 On 6/1/05, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Assuming CFMX, use the array's container struct (probably VARIABLES
in
  this case):
 
  VARIABLES[EmployeAry_  EmployeeNumber][RowNu_][1] =
  CalendarInfo.EmployeeNumber[CurRow];
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mike Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2005 11:06
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Dynamic array names HELP
 
  Hi all
 
  I am building a few arrays on one template using the data from one
  query. I made the arrays with no problem, but CF is giving me a not
a
  valid variable name error.  I need to call and add to an array name
  Dynamically.
 
  // Check to see if it is an array
  writeoutput(IsArray(Evaluate(EmployeAry_#EmployeeNumber#),2));
 
  This works, but I do not know the Employee Number everytime.
 EmployeAry_116[#RowNu_#][8] =
CalendarInfo.EmployeeNumber[CurRow];
 
 
  This does not work, But I need to call the Dynamic array names
 EmployeAry_#EmployeeNumber#[#RowNu_#][1] =
  CalendarInfo.EmployeeNumber[CurRow];
 
 
  Can someone give my the right syntax.
 
 
 
 

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Dynamic array names HELP!!!!

2005-06-02 Thread Aldwin Sabornido
Try using QueryNew() its more easy to use. Its like querying in the database.





Hi all 

I am building a few arrays on one template using the data from one
query. I made the arrays with no problem, but CF is giving me a not a
valid variable name error.  I need to call and add to an array name
Dynamically.

// Check to see if it is an array
writeoutput(IsArray(Evaluate(EmployeAry_#EmployeeNumber#),2));

This works, but I do not know the Employee Number everytime. 
EmployeAry_116[#RowNu_#][8] = CalendarInfo.EmployeeNumber[CurRow]; 

This does not work, But I need to call the Dynamic array names 
EmployeAry_#EmployeeNumber#[#RowNu_#][1] =
CalendarInfo.EmployeeNumber[CurRow];


Can someone give my the right syntax.

TIA
Mike Hughes

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RE: RSS Feeds

2005-06-02 Thread Ian Vaughan
Hi

Does anybody on the list know for any more articles on

1.) Creating your own RSS feeds using Coldfusion

And

2.) Displaying RSS feeds from external sources i.e. BBC, I tried the UDF
in the last post but all I was receiving was a blank page ?

I have also tried using another approach based on the article by Pablo
Varando http://tutorial208.easycfm.com/  but am receiving the following
error 

An error occured while Parsing an XML document.  
Content is not allowed in prolog.  
  
The error occurred in \testpages\rss.cfm: line 20
 
18 : cfscript
19 :   XMLContent = trim(cfhttp.filecontent);
20 :   XMLContent = XMLParse(XMLContent);
21 : /cfscript 
22 : 

 

-Original Message-
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 June 2005 21:18
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RSS Feeds

I've never done RSS Feeds before. Can someone please provide brief 
details about RSS Feeds. I'll be running this on CF 5.0.

I'll basically be displaying RSS Feeds from a few different sources, NY

Times etc.

Also can I control how many are displayed per feed? For example I want
3 from NY times, 2 from Wash Post etc etc..

If anyone has an simple tutorials they've found helpful. 


Thanks in advance. 

Ryan

Ryan,

If you're just consuming the RSS feeds, you might want to try this UDF:
http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=813
TranslateRSSItems(rssDoc)
Description
Takes a RSS feed from Blogger, Slashdot, ZDNet, etc and translates into
a CF query. Based on the function TranslateMacromediaResourceFeed by
Jeffry Houser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Returns a query.

Example

cfhttp url=http://pro.blogger.com/docs/example_rss.xml; 
method=GET 
resolveurl=true 
timeout=6000
cfif cfhttp.fileContent is not Connection Failure
   cfset rssFeed = TranslateRSSItems(cfhttp.FileContent)
   cfloop query=rssFeed
  !-- only output at most 5 rows ---
  cfif currentRow lte 5
 cfoutput
pa href=#link##title#/abr#description#/p
 /cfoutput
  cfelse
 cfbreak
  /cfif
   /cfloop
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web services security (WSS)

2005-06-02 Thread wolf2k5
Hi,

Unfortunately ColdFusion MX doesn't support web services security (WSS):
http://www.oasis-open.org/specs/index.php#wssv1.0

I found a few threads suggesting to use WSS4J:
http://ws.apache.org/ws-fx/wss4j/

Did anyone try to use it with CFMX 6.1 or 7? Any luck?

Thanks.

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Re: Dealing with users

2005-06-02 Thread Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC
Instead of working with mad statistics, which gives even math majors 
headaches...

Is this something where there's an HR manager who is permitted to see all 
the data... i.e. someone who could be labeled a Program Administrator?

If so (and I actually did this once... successfully) I'd lobby to force the 
person filling out the survey to supply an employee number and name. Make a 
big deal out of it, with a great big red Flash checkbox at the end that says 
something ominous like I hereby solemnly swear that these answers were 
truthful and if not I may be legitimately being feed to the Ravenous 
Bugblatter Beast of Omicron V... if even he can stomach my putrescent self.

Then, when someone cheats, let loose the Corporate Hounds to chew their 
asses. I mean, frankly, if management isn't taking this seriously enough to 
have a talk with those doing the cheating, then the project is pretty well 
defeated before it starts. This would also be a good way to judge 
management's commitment to and understanding of the importance of the 
project as a whole.

Laterz,
J

On 6/1/05, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Here's a a problem I'm wrestling with. I have a company doing on-line
 performance reviews. Each employee rates a set of other employees on a
 survey which has six categories with between 3 and 7 questions in each
 category.
 
 The problem is that there are a couple bad apples who blow through the
 surveys rating someone either all 1s or all 5s, throwing off that person's
 ratings and effectively ruining the value of the performance review.
 
 My first attempt to stop this was to time the surveys. People who finished
 them in less than five minutes (the cheaters generally take two minutes)
 got a message telling them to go back and think about their answers and 
 try
 again. That didn't work because it turned out that several non-cheaters
 print out the review and do it on paper, and then login to enter the
 answers - since they were working from paper, they finished the review in
 under five minutes.
 
 Then I tried checking each category - if all the answers in a specific
 category were the same, I rejected the review and told them to do it
 again. No soap - occasionally there are legitimate reviews where one
 category has all the same answers.
 
 So then I switched to checking the entire survey. If all the answers are
 same, the survey gets rejected. It took the cheaters slightly under a
 quarter of a second to figure that one out, as you can imagine.
 
 The surveys are all anonymous, so I can't simply go to the person entering
 the survey and tell him/her to stop cheating.
 
 Can anyone think of a way to monitor and block the cheaters?
 
 T
 



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Re: Dealing with users

2005-06-02 Thread Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC
Great idea unless someone does really well on the one real review filed and 
everyone else cheats below 3.

Then you've got someone who's really getting screwed because the math just 
doesn't work.

I kind of like reporting all the data and several views of it.

But I still favor a personalized report...

I have to create an account. My name and employee number are linked to the 
data, but the application keeps the data private.

Each survey I fill out is registered under me and my averages are shown... 
average scores given per category, high/low scores given per category... I 
KNOW that this data can be seen and after cheating on 4 of them I see that 
my average, high, and low are all 4... and I start to worry. I'm given one 
chance by the system to fix each survey, and as the system watches me fill 
them out it can email me to say It's obvious you're not taking this 
seriously. A copy of this email has been sent to your supervisor, and you 
have 24 hours to redo these surveys: link, link, link. Non-compliance is 
grounds for severance (our choice of limbs), termination (and no, you won't 
be back), firing (would you like a last cigarrette?), and a good, 
old-fashioned ass-kicking in front of (or, more likely... BY...) the senior 
management staff.

Each survey filled out about me is viewable by me (except the names of those 
filling them out).. along with all my averages, highs, lows, blah blah blah.

This screams THIS IS IMPORTANT, TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. Otherwise... it's 
pointless... statistical analysis notwithstanding.

Laterz,
J

NOTE: This is free advice. It is important to remember that often one gets 
what one pays for.

On 6/1/05, Eric Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 drop the top 25% and bottom 25%
 or report ALL the data and few ways to look at it.
 
 is it tied to remuneration? or just for discussion?
 
 Maybe a little more discussion on the apps intent will help.
 
  block cheaters?
 are they cheating really?
 
 What's the nature of the work?
 Is there a reason why their managers are disconnected from their
 performance? Are there other performance metrics available? Are they being
 used?
 
 Is this a learning organization? ie steady flow of learning?
 
 Eric
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: June 1, 2005 10:32 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Dealing with users
 
 It's been a while, but I seem to remember something about using median (or
 maybe its mode?) rather than mean to reduce the impact of very low/high
 entries?
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:03 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Dealing with users
 
 
 Here's a a problem I'm wrestling with. I have a company doing on-line
 performance reviews. Each employee rates a set of other employees on a
 survey which has six categories with between 3 and 7 questions in each
 category.
 
 The problem is that there are a couple bad apples who blow through the
 surveys rating someone either all 1s or all 5s, throwing off that person's
 ratings and effectively ruining the value of the performance review.
 
 My first attempt to stop this was to time the surveys. People who finished
 them in less than five minutes (the cheaters generally take two minutes)
 got a message telling them to go back and think about their answers and 
 try
 again. That didn't work because it turned out that several non-cheaters
 print out the review and do it on paper, and then login to enter the
 answers - since they were working from paper, they finished the review in
 under five minutes.
 
 Then I tried checking each category - if all the answers in a specific
 category were the same, I rejected the review and told them to do it
 again. No soap - occasionally there are legitimate reviews where one
 category has all the same answers.
 
 So then I switched to checking the entire survey. If all the answers are
 same, the survey gets rejected. It took the cheaters slightly under a
 quarter of a second to figure that one out, as you can imagine.
 
 The surveys are all anonymous, so I can't simply go to the person entering
 the survey and tell him/her to stop cheating.
 
 Can anyone think of a way to monitor and block the cheaters?
 
 T
 



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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Simon Cornelius P . Umacob
  I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with 
 its hood welded shut?
 yeah, what the hell would I being doing under the hood when it's built 
 by a solid company that will take care of any issues that arise.

BMW is a solid company.
A solid company will take care of any issues that arise from my product.
Therefore, I will blindly believe in anything that BMW says.
Therefore, if my car breaks down, I will wait for BMW engineers to fly from 
Germany in order to fix my car.
Therefore, I'm willing to pay huge amounts of money even if I can fix a very 
simple problem.
Therefore, since I will blindly believe in anything that BMW says, I will 
believe that it is not BMW's fault if the car breaks down because of faulty 
manufacturing.
Therefore, even if there's conclusive evidence of BMW's negligence, I will 
stubbornly hold on to the belief that it is really not BMW's fault.  I will 
deceive myself if I have to.

Ah... non-critical thinking.  If that's how you think, then may God have mercy 
on your poor soul.


 Seems more trustable then querying a bunch of half-ass cheap ameturs 
 who THINK they know everything but they don't, I surely wouldn't want 
 to base my lively hood on them!
 

/me smiles at Dave.

 
  But what if someone--or some group of people--were kind enough to 
 give you a home?
  That would mean I was a complete idiot basket case with some lame 
 excuse why I can't do or buy something on my own without pitty from 
 outside sources.

This directly contradicts your previous statement, ...what the hell would I 
being doing under the hood when it's built by a solid company that will take 
care of any issues that [arise?]  I hope that doesn't mean that you're a 
complete idiot basket case with some lame excuse why you can't do or buy 
something on your own.

 
 I would also be concerned that those who have given me my home also 
 know the real sneaky way of getting into my home without me knowing.

Yes, that's right.  I'm wondering though, why won't you not participate in the 
building of your home so that you can fix any sneaky ways of getting into your 
home without your knowing?

 
 I would also be concerned with if a problem were to arise having to as 
 the neighborhood handymen to fix it and wait for the fight to end 
 and hope to god the winner is right, I would rather go to the builder 
 and have it fixed correctly.

Is there a reason why you can't fix it yourself? I hope that doesn't mean that 
you're a complete idiot basket case with some lame excuse why you can't do or 
buy something on your own.
 
  
 Personally, I think PHP is the ugly mutt that got whipped twice with 
 the ugly stick and you can't even look at it without feeling sorry for 
 it :)

 So it's kinda like your friends girlfriend, lol.


I pray that you might be rebuked and that your words might haunt you in the 
days of your life.
 
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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward
I'm not so sure that the logic follows.

If you've purchased a new car, it comes with a warranty. 
Solid companies tend to honor their warranties. 
Solid companies would probably try to limit their liability with such a
warranty by delivering a product that mitigated need to honor the warranty
as much as possible by being well built. This will limit their loss
(reduction of profit) from taking care of said issues.

Not only that, they'll take care of it because they are legally obligated
to. The cost not to honor that obligation is probably a bit higher than the
cost to do so.

And aside from all that, for me personally and I suspect a great deal many
others, there's about next to nothing that I can do under the hood of a new
BMW anyway without making matters worse, should it need some attention.

I think this thread is definitely going OT though!

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Simon Cornelius P. Umacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

  I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with 
 its hood welded shut?
 yeah, what the hell would I being doing under the hood when it's built 
 by a solid company that will take care of any issues that arise.

BMW is a solid company.
A solid company will take care of any issues that arise from my product.
Therefore, I will blindly believe in anything that BMW says.
Therefore, if my car breaks down, I will wait for BMW engineers to fly from
Germany in order to fix my car.
Therefore, I'm willing to pay huge amounts of money even if I can fix a very
simple problem.
Therefore, since I will blindly believe in anything that BMW says, I will
believe that it is not BMW's fault if the car breaks down because of faulty
manufacturing.
Therefore, even if there's conclusive evidence of BMW's negligence, I will
stubbornly hold on to the belief that it is really not BMW's fault.  I will
deceive myself if I have to.

Ah... non-critical thinking.  If that's how you think, then may God have
mercy on your poor soul.


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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Keith Gaughan
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Jochem van Dieten wrote:

 On re-reading that was very poorly worded by me.
 
 The SQL DEFAULT keyword is not just meant for use in DDL. SQL is 
 defined in such a way that you can also use DEFAULT in DML to 
 (re)set any column to its default value. You don't even have to 
 know what that default is. So in SQL you can use the command 
 UPDATE subscribers SET title = DEFAULT to restore the default 
 value for the title field in the subscribers table.
 
 More complete implementations already have your better solution.

Yeah, and did I not point out that something like that would be a
better solution? If you go back and read what I wrote after the bit you
snipped again, you'll see that all I was doing was offering reason
why they would have chosen to use that NULL hack rather than doing
things neatly.

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Simon Cornelius P . Umacob
I'm not so sure that the logic follows.

It does if your car is no longer new and that your warranty has already 
expired.  The same is true with software.

I think this thread is definitely going OT though!

I agree.  This should be my last post for this thread.

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Micha Schopman
Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with a
language, but stating in someway that the developers using PHP are
amateurs is just not true.

In general, I found the average quality of products developed with PHP
much higher than those made with CF. The learning curve of CF due to its
tag based syntax is much lower, and so people with less programming
experience or less know-how about how to approach certain constructions
are starting quickly writing their code in CF. That is the power behind
CF, but it has its side effects regarding quality. The PHP learning
curve is much higher nor is it very attractive to the beginning
developer. Most people starting with PHP have at least some theoretical
and experience about programming.

Ofcourse there are many good CF developers, but there are also a lot of
unexperienced developers, just because they can get started quickly with
programming. How many developers really use cfqueryparam for instance? I
think there are a lot just output the values without review.

This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
there was an error somewhere)
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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward
I don't think so. I think this thread is going off topic because nearly all
threads about technology comparisons end up going off topic. 

Besides, nobody ever implied or said anything like that.

- Calvin

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Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too blind
seeing there is more on the market than CF :) 


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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Wayne Putterill
I had to throw this in:

One of IBM's senior venture capital investment authorities is
encouraging software start-ups to follow the money, and back the LAMP
open source stack.

According to Drew Clark, director of strategic insights for IBM's
venture capital group, building software using Linux, Apache, MySQL
and Perl/PHP/Python (LAMP) is one of the key requisites for VC
investment today
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/30/vcs_warm_to_lamp/

I'm a huge fan of CF, but in the UK CF jobs are becoming rarer than
hens teeth while PHP is going from strength to strength. It depresses
me, but I think CF is becoming increasingly seen as a specialist high
end solution due to the way Macromedia are now going for the
enterprise market almost exclusively.

The danger is that the various components of LAMP are just getting
better and better, the pool of developers is growing in size and
quality, and large public and private organisations are seriously
considering and implementing LAMP projects,  where that will leave CF
in 5 years I just don't know :(

I have an interview tomorrow for an organisation that uses CF, I
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seen for months and I hate to think when the next one may come up.

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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Keith Gaughan wrote:
 Jochem van Dieten wrote:
 
 The SQL DEFAULT keyword is not just meant for use in DDL. SQL is 
 defined in such a way that you can also use DEFAULT in DML to 
 (re)set any column to its default value. You don't even have to 
 know what that default is. So in SQL you can use the command 
 UPDATE subscribers SET title = DEFAULT to restore the default 
 value for the title field in the subscribers table.
 
 More complete implementations already have your better solution.
 
 Yeah, and did I not point out that something like that would be a
 better solution?

No argument there.


 If you go back and read what I wrote after the bit you
 snipped again, you'll see that all I was doing was offering reason
 why they would have chosen to use that NULL hack rather than doing
 things neatly.

No need to offer reason why they 'would have', we know why they 
'did'. Previous versions of the MySQL manual (they removed it 
together with all the comments about transactions being bad, 
stored procedures being unnecessary etc.) explained:
quote
The reason for the above rules is that we can't check these 
conditions before the query starts to execute. If we encounter a 
problem after updating a few rows, we can't just rollback as the 
table type may not support this. We can't stop because in that 
case the update would be 'half done' which is probably the worst 
possible scenario. In this case it's better to 'do the best you 
can' and then continue as if nothing happened.
/quote 
http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.mysql.com/doc/en/Design_Limitations.html


Apart from being the wrong one, I don't think the reason you 
offer is valid. The API is still burdened with handling of 
DEFAULT because DEFAULT is implemented for insert statements, so 
I fail to see any gains there.


MySQL has the DEFAULT for insert statements, yet they still use a 
NULL hack for insert statements and at the same time they don't 
have the DEFAULT for update statements. So you can neither 
enforce a NOT NULL constraint even when you really mean NOT NULL, 
nor update a field to its default.

MySQL NULL handling is inconsistent at best and its behaviour is 
worse than that of most other DBMS when it comes to NULLs.

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Micha Schopman
Calvin,

I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;

They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed
on a lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them
very strongly. Then I had them go up to white board and write on
whiteboard a typical php page, making a db call and returning a
recordset. And then I did the same but in cfm, needless to say i was
done in less than half the time with smaller readable code. 

And

 Seems more trustable then querying a bunch of half-ass cheap ameturs 
 who THINK they know everything but they don't, I surely wouldn't want 
 to base my lively hood on them!

If it was meant in a (positive) different way, please tell.

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Adrian Lynch
Holy crap!

I suppose it could have been worse, it could have all been on one line! :Oo

Ade

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Sent: 02 June 2005 12:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
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http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward
I would say that these comments were more saying that LAMP was a lesser
solution, than CF being the only solution, but that would really be
something the OP would have to clarify.

- Calvin
 

-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

Calvin,

I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;

They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed on a
lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them very
strongly. Then I had them go up to white board and write on whiteboard a
typical php page, making a db call and returning a recordset. And then I did
the same but in cfm, needless to say i was done in less than half the time
with smaller readable code. 

And

 Seems more trustable then querying a bunch of half-ass cheap ameturs 
 who THINK they know everything but they don't, I surely wouldn't want 
 to base my lively hood on them!

If it was meant in a (positive) different way, please tell.

Micha Schopman
Project Manager

Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL  Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax
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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward
Wayne,

Have you started adding LAMP development to your skillset?

- Calvin 

-Original Message-
From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP

I had to throw this in:

One of IBM's senior venture capital investment authorities is encouraging
software start-ups to follow the money, and back the LAMP open source stack.

According to Drew Clark, director of strategic insights for IBM's venture
capital group, building software using Linux, Apache, MySQL and
Perl/PHP/Python (LAMP) is one of the key requisites for VC investment today
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/30/vcs_warm_to_lamp/

I'm a huge fan of CF, but in the UK CF jobs are becoming rarer than hens
teeth while PHP is going from strength to strength. It depresses me, but I
think CF is becoming increasingly seen as a specialist high end solution due
to the way Macromedia are now going for the enterprise market almost
exclusively.

The danger is that the various components of LAMP are just getting better
and better, the pool of developers is growing in size and quality, and large
public and private organisations are seriously considering and implementing
LAMP projects,  where that will leave CF in 5 years I just don't know :(

I have an interview tomorrow for an organisation that uses CF, I really hope
I get the job as it's the first local CF position I have seen for months and
I hate to think when the next one may come up.



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Re: Dynamic array names HELP!!!!

2005-06-02 Thread Mike Hughes
SetVariable works, Thanks

On 6/1/05, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK, for CF 5 try using the SetVariable() function.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2005 11:28
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Dynamic array names HELP
 
 I need it to work in CF5. We do not have CFMX running on my server, for
 now. This did work in CFMX but not in CF5.
 
 

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward
I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?

- Calvin 

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

Holy crap!

I suppose it could have been worse, it could have all been on one line! :Oo

Ade

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Sent: 02 June 2005 12:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

This is true code running in production I had to review once (because there
was an error somewhere) http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Good God...my Eyesmy Eyes



-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 June 2005 14:04
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?

- Calvin 

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

Holy crap!

I suppose it could have been worse, it could have all been on one line! :Oo

Ade

-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 12:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

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ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Tony Weeg
Hola peeps...

Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature
rich forum application.

any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:

1. private messages
2. emoticons

and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make
most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?


thanks.

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Re: Turkish ColdFusion Forum

2005-06-02 Thread Tony Weeg
looks GREAT!
wish i could read turkish :)

tw

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 Hi,
 
 
 
 I do not know how many of you may have interest such a topic but I also want
 to inform this list about our forum.
 
 
 
 I just wanted to let you know about our forum page. You can reach via
 http://forum.cftr.net http://forum.cftr.net/
 
 
 
 It is based on Raymond Camden's Galleon and works with ColdFusion MX 7 and
 MySQL 4.1.x.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Specifying Mail Server Password

2005-06-02 Thread Peter Shaw
Hi,

I seem to have mislaid the syntax for specifying a mailserver username and 
password within CF Admin (v5). IIR it is along the lines of:

username:password|127.0.0.1

Can anyone put me straight please?

Peter

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Re: CF and MS Word

2005-06-02 Thread Charlie Griefer
Appreciate all of the input.  As of now, it looks like James' XML
solution seems to work the best (best being fastest and easiest to
implement).

Saved the document as XML, wrapped it in a cfsavecontent with data
from a textarea, and used the cfsavecontent variable in a cffile
action=write to create a new .doc.  Seems to maintain the
formatting nicely (including keeping the headers and footers as actual
header and footer objects).

nice :)

Thanks,
Charlie

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 XML (instead of HTML) and add the relevant section as XML. This should
 retain all formatting etc.
 
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 To: CF-Talk
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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Keith Gaughan
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 Apart from being the wrong one, I don't think the reason you 
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It wasn't a reason, but a possible rationalisation.

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Re: ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Raymond Camden
Would those 2 features alone be enough to keep you using Galleon?
Emoticons would be trivial to implement.

On 6/2/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hola peeps...
 
 Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
 Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature
 rich forum application.
 
 any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:
 
 1. private messages
 2. emoticons
 
 and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make
 most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?
 
 
 thanks.
 
 --
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RE: Specifying Mail Server Password

2005-06-02 Thread Robert Redpath
username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 


From: Peter Shaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 6/2/2005 9:24 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Spam:Specifying Mail Server Password



Hi,

I seem to have mislaid the syntax for specifying a mailserver username and 
password within CF Admin (v5). IIR it is along the lines of:

username:password|127.0.0.1

Can anyone put me straight please?

Peter



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RE: ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward
Fusetalk seems to be a pretty solid choice.

- Calvin 

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ColdFusion Forum software

Hola peeps...

Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature rich
forum application.

any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:

1. private messages
2. emoticons

and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make most of the
changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?


thanks.

--
tony

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Re: ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Tony Weeg
i know, and im fairly strong under the impression that that is dumb
fluff, but you know users :)

anyway... here is what they have asked for...

(now i can easily do the ordering, i can easily add, some quick jump
links (Top/bottom of page)) just dont know exactly whats involved for
the other stuff.

tw

-

Could we have it set so that all the new items are on the bottom or
top of your post (of this box) so it can be accessed easily?  There
can be a row of Private Messages, Edit, and Quote on the top and
another row on the top with E-mail's, Emoticons, and the reply button:


EX:

[PM's] [Edit] [Quote]  lt;---Top bar

[Post]

[Similies] [Reply] [E-mail]  lt;---Bottom Row
-


On 6/2/05, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Would those 2 features alone be enough to keep you using Galleon?
 Emoticons would be trivial to implement.
 
 On 6/2/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hola peeps...
 
  Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
  Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature
  rich forum application.
 
  any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:
 
  1. private messages
  2. emoticons
 
  and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make
  most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?
 
 
  thanks.
 
  --
  tony
 
  Tony Weeg
 
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ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Fusetalk (http://www.fusetalk.com/) is a finished product that may have the 
features you want. Otherwise, you need someone (like me) to write some custom 
stuff for you (like I have for the HoF forums/archives).

Hola peeps...

Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature
rich forum application.

any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:

1. private messages
2. emoticons

and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make
most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?


thanks.

-- 
tony

Tony Weeg

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Simon Cornelius P . Umacob
IMHO, he was indeed saying that LAMP was a lesser solution (that's my 
impression).  That's fine with me if that's what he thinks.  Our thoughts are 
beyond the influence of anyone.  But when you translate those thoughts into 
actions and words, that is a very different story.  I wish he hadn't used an ad 
hominem argument to bring home his point.

I understand why some ColdFusion programmers feel strongly against PHP.  When I 
started learning ColdFusion on May 2, 2005, that was also what I felt.  You 
see, in university, we were made to study the C language.  I remember, as a 
16-year old kid, learning that language was a bit daunting.  I was perplexed 
with concepts such as pointers, references, addresses, pointers of pointers, 
references of pointers, and a lot more.  I remember saying to my teacher, why 
the hell do we need those pointers for?  Can't we just avoid them altogether?  
Why use pointers and references to return values from functions?  Can't we not 
just use global variables and avoid functions altogether?

As I progressed with this skill, my loathing for the C/C++ language was quickly 
replaced with deep respect and awe.  As I progressed learning it, there came a 
point where knowledge of that subject gave me a profound realization that I 
knew next to nothing in Computer Science.  Is this all I know?, I said to 
myself.  Mind you, after having the satisfaction of being able to suddenly get 
it, it was really a very humbling experience.

As I did my research on data structures-from simple linked lists to binary and 
n-trees-I was even humbled as I stumbled upon the great works of computer 
scientists having a string of letters appended before and after their names.  I 
said to myself, someday... I will be like them.  I may not be able to study in 
that legendary MIT, but I will someday become a computer scientist myself.  I 
will develop useful and highly efficient algorithms which I will share to the 
whole world. 

Three years later, I have now dropped out of university (I don't have plans in 
enrolling this sem) because my learning style doesn't suit the teaching style 
of our conservative school (I prefer hands on experience, rather than listening 
to theory).  I'm now here in my office participating in this discussion in 
order to learn more about ColdFusion by hands on experience and interaction 
with gurus of this language.  I have to admit that I'm really forcing myself 
not to loathe this language.  I loathed C/C++, Java, Assembly, and other 
languages that I've studied; yet, as I used them more often, loathe was quickly 
replaced with love, awe, and respect.

I have learned my lesson already.  I will force myself not to loathe ColdFusion 
even though I did not get the satisfaction of finally getting it.


[ simon.cpu ]


I would say that these comments were more saying that LAMP was a lesser
solution, than CF being the only solution, but that would really be
something the OP would have to clarify.

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get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Emmet McGovern
Brain Meltdown.  Maybe someone can help.

I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5).  The list can be any
length.  Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent of
item3 and so on.  

What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
list and determining that item1 has no parent?

Thanks,
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Re: form trim ?

2005-06-02 Thread Douglas Knudsen
its called composition. Just like composite functions in middle school 
algebra classes...f(g(h(x))) :)
 DK

 On 6/2/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 swt, don't know why my dumbass never thought bout that before :)
 
 feel like wilberginni now!
 
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 This bottle of lemonaid says contains no lemon juice
 and the can of Pledge says contains real lemon juice
 figures @%*((%
 
 
 From: Andrew Grosset [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:57 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: form trim ?
 
 can you compound the trim funtion with HTMLEditFormat to do both at once?
 
  like maybe
 
 
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RE: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Emmet McGovern
To clarify.  The reason I'm asking is that I need to loop and insert all
items in a table to create a tree.  So it would have to start with the first
item in the list to get an ID for the second item.



Brain Meltdown.  Maybe someone can help.

I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5).  The list can be any
length.  Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent of
item3 and so on.  

What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
list and determining that item1 has no parent?

Thanks,
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Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray
I am having an aweful time with CF 6.1 installed on Linux.

Verity is limited.  You cannot do Chinese characters and you cannot index PDFs.

Now i have never worked with Verity K2.  I dont know it's true purpose and 
capabilities.  If i take my Windows Version of CF 6.1 can i share out it's 
vertiy collection (that does index chinese characters and PDFs) to my Linux 
server.

Then i could index PDFs on the linux server into the Windows collection.

It this what Verity K2 does?  Or am i way off base?

Thanks!
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Re: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Tony Weeg
is this coming out of a database?
or simply a list?

im not sure with a list, with no other properties, that you can make
an intelligent choice which is a parent of which...

tw

On 6/2/05, Emmet McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Brain Meltdown.  Maybe someone can help.
 
 I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5).  The list can be any
 length.  Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent of
 item3 and so on.
 
 What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
 list and determining that item1 has no parent?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Tony Weeg
thanks for the offer michael, my client is my cousin, im part of the
company, and we cant pay for that work.  not to mention i can do it
myself... thanks anyway :)

tw

On 6/2/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fusetalk (http://www.fusetalk.com/) is a finished product that may have the 
 features you want. Otherwise, you need someone (like me) to write some custom 
 stuff for you (like I have for the HoF forums/archives).
 
 Hola peeps...
 
 Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
 Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature
 rich forum application.
 
 any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:
 
 1. private messages
 2. emoticons
 
 and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make
 most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?
 
 
 thanks.
 
 --
 tony
 
 Tony Weeg
 
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 email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com
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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Have a look at Lucene http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html


If I were you I would stay well clear of Verity, I don't even know why MM
still shop it - especially due to its outrageous cost when you need to get a
scalable solution.

N





-Original Message-
From: chad gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 June 2005 15:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Verity K2

I am having an aweful time with CF 6.1 installed on Linux.

Verity is limited.  You cannot do Chinese characters and you cannot index
PDFs.

Now i have never worked with Verity K2.  I dont know it's true purpose and
capabilities.  If i take my Windows Version of CF 6.1 can i share out it's
vertiy collection (that does index chinese characters and PDFs) to my Linux
server.

Then i could index PDFs on the linux server into the Windows collection.

It this what Verity K2 does?  Or am i way off base?

Thanks!
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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts
 I am having an aweful time with CF 6.1 installed on Linux.
 
 Verity is limited. You cannot do Chinese characters and you 
 cannot index PDFs.
 
 Now i have never worked with Verity K2.  I dont know it's 
 true purpose and capabilities.  If i take my Windows Version 
 of CF 6.1 can i share out it's vertiy collection (that does 
 index chinese characters and PDFs) to my Linux server.
 
 Then i could index PDFs on the linux server into the Windows 
 collection.
 
 It this what Verity K2 does? Or am i way off base?

Yes, you can run K2 on one machine, then connect to it from another. In
addition, K2 provides many other capabilities not found within the Verity
VDK stuff. If you plan to use K2 extensively, you might look at upgrading to
CFMX 7, since it provides a newer and significantly better version of K2. I
believe that the newer version may solve some of your problems on Linux too,
although I'm not sure about it.

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RE: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Andrew Scott
Without more information this request is not possible.

Is this coming from a database then use the original query to build a parent
child relationship, without and identifier which indicates what the parent
is then you can do what your asking.


-Original Message-
From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2005 12:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: get parent items from list?

Brain Meltdown.  Maybe someone can help.

I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5).  The list can be any
length.  Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent of
item3 and so on.  

What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
list and determining that item1 has no parent?

Thanks,
Emmet





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RE: ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:31 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: ColdFusion Forum software
 
 Would those 2 features alone be enough to keep you using Galleon?
 Emoticons would be trivial to implement.

I've got a fully implemented BBML custom tag which will convert BBML and do
emoticons.  It's old but it still works and should be simple to add to
Galleon (depending on how complex you want the interface to be - the tag
only does the parsing, not the input).

You can use it only for emoticons or not if you like (or just rip out the
smiley code - the tag's open source under the BSD license).

Here's a link:

http://www.depressedpress.com/depressedpress/Content/Development/ColdFusion/
Extensions/DP_ParseBBML/Index.cfm

An example area to play with the tag:

http://www.depressedpress.com/depressedpress/Content/Development/ColdFusion/
Extensions/DP_ParseBBML/BBMLExample.cfm

And a list of all the supported BBML and smiley code:

http://www.depressedpress.com/depressedpress/Content/Development/ColdFusion/
Extensions/DP_ParseBBML/SupportedBBML.cfm

The worst I can say about it is that my smiley set sucks... but there's an
alternative set provided by Andy Jarret that's pretty good.  You can, of
course, use another set if you like as well.

Jim Davis




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RE: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Emmet McGovern
What I'm getting is a list of items in their tree hierarchy. I just need to
insert them in a database with their parent child relationships intact.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: get parent items from list?

Without more information this request is not possible.

Is this coming from a database then use the original query to build a parent
child relationship, without and identifier which indicates what the parent
is then you can do what your asking.


-Original Message-
From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2005 12:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: get parent items from list?

Brain Meltdown.  Maybe someone can help.

I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5).  The list can be any
length.  Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent of
item3 and so on.  

What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
list and determining that item1 has no parent?

Thanks,
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Re: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Tony Weeg
thats what i was trying to say, thanks andrew.

emmet... do this...

simply add a parentID column to your table, and whatever value that
is, you can find its parent, or no parent.

tw

On 6/2/05, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Without more information this request is not possible.
 
 Is this coming from a database then use the original query to build a parent
 child relationship, without and identifier which indicates what the parent
 is then you can do what your asking.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 3 June 2005 12:09 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: get parent items from list?
 
 Brain Meltdown.  Maybe someone can help.
 
 I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5).  The list can be any
 length.  Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent of
 item3 and so on.
 
 What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
 list and determining that item1 has no parent?
 
 Thanks,
 Emmet
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread George Abraham
I second the Lucene suggestion. I am currently working on integrating
it to index databases using Aaron Johnson's code here:
http://cephas.net/projects/ (look at the bottom for the CFX tags). His
code uses Lucene to index files. The definitive book on Lucene is
'Lucene in Action' by Otis Gospodnetic and Erik Hatcher. The Lucene
lists and documentation are also quite useful.

If I am not mistaken Lucene does index PDFs, but I am not sure about
Chinese characters.

George

On 6/2/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have a look at Lucene http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
 
 
 If I were you I would stay well clear of Verity, I don't even know why MM
 still shop it - especially due to its outrageous cost when you need to get a
 scalable solution.
 
 N
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: chad gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 02 June 2005 15:14
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Verity K2
 
 I am having an aweful time with CF 6.1 installed on Linux.
 
 Verity is limited.  You cannot do Chinese characters and you cannot index
 PDFs.
 
 Now i have never worked with Verity K2.  I dont know it's true purpose and
 capabilities.  If i take my Windows Version of CF 6.1 can i share out it's
 vertiy collection (that does index chinese characters and PDFs) to my Linux
 server.
 
 Then i could index PDFs on the linux server into the Windows collection.
 
 It this what Verity K2 does?  Or am i way off base?
 
 Thanks!
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RE: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Andrew Scott
But where is this list coming from? With a parent ID you can't do it.



-Original Message-
From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2005 12:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: get parent items from list?

What I'm getting is a list of items in their tree hierarchy. I just need to
insert them in a database with their parent child relationships intact.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: get parent items from list?

Without more information this request is not possible.

Is this coming from a database then use the original query to build a parent
child relationship, without and identifier which indicates what the parent
is then you can do what your asking.


-Original Message-
From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2005 12:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: get parent items from list?

Brain Meltdown.  Maybe someone can help.

I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5).  The list can be any
length.  Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent of
item3 and so on.  

What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
list and determining that item1 has no parent?

Thanks,
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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray
Thanks Dave,

Do i use the standard CFIndex, CFSearch to tap into the K2 collection once i 
have it hooked up?  

I just need to get this thing working now.  I promised a client i can index 
PDFs and double byte characters.  Well, i can on my Windows box, then low and 
behold i get sucker punched by Linux's version of Verity where the final code 
is going to reside.

Macromedia is checking for me to see if MX 7 Verify can do PDFs.  They are 
going to call me back.  I know MX 7 can do chinese characters.


 I am having an aweful time with CF 6.1 installed on Linux.

Yes, you can run K2 on one machine, then connect to it from another. In
addition, K2 provides many other capabilities not found within the Verity
VDK stuff. If you plan to use K2 extensively, you might look at upgrading to
CFMX 7, since it provides a newer and significantly better version of K2. I
believe that the newer version may solve some of your problems on Linux too,
although I'm not sure about it.

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Re: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Jerry Barnes
Sounds like an adjaceny list model.

Does the list contain the whole tree or does a list only contain a path from 
one node to another while other lists contain other paths?



On 6/2/05, Emmet McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Brain Meltdown. Maybe someone can help.
 
 I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5). The list can be any
 length. Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent 
 of
 item3 and so on.
 
 What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
 list and determining that item1 has no parent?
 
 Thanks,
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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Macromedia are checking?! Gotta love first line support (or as we call
them...Manual Monkeys) 

I can tell you now it can index PDF's.. we are doing it here..




-Original Message-
From: chad gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 June 2005 15:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Verity K2

Thanks Dave,

Do i use the standard CFIndex, CFSearch to tap into the K2 collection once i
have it hooked up?  

I just need to get this thing working now.  I promised a client i can index
PDFs and double byte characters.  Well, i can on my Windows box, then low
and behold i get sucker punched by Linux's version of Verity where the final
code is going to reside.

Macromedia is checking for me to see if MX 7 Verify can do PDFs.  They are
going to call me back.  I know MX 7 can do chinese characters.


 I am having an aweful time with CF 6.1 installed on Linux.

Yes, you can run K2 on one machine, then connect to it from another. In
addition, K2 provides many other capabilities not found within the Verity
VDK stuff. If you plan to use K2 extensively, you might look at upgrading
to
CFMX 7, since it provides a newer and significantly better version of K2. I
believe that the newer version may solve some of your problems on Linux
too,
although I'm not sure about it.



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Re: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread Gruss Gott
 chad  wrote: 
 Verity is limited.  You cannot do Chinese characters and you cannot index 
 PDFs.
 

I've been able to do both of those things on Solaris and would imagine
that functionality is virtually the same between Linux and Solaris. 
All I can think of are that your PDFs are scanned (images) versus
text, but you say you've indexed the same PDFs on Windows so that
couldn't be the case.

In one of my applications I've indexed millions of pages of PDFs with
some of the books containing 30,000+ pages.  Verity has worked fine
save for one problem:

it doesn't seem to recognize embedded fonts with special characters. 
So, for example, if someone is searching for 32-11-22 they won't
find it, but if they search for 321122 they'll find it.  It's as if
Verity doesn't even see the dashes.  The work-around I use is to have
the users search for 32*11*22.  That's not for all fonts, just weird
embedded ones.

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Re: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Carabetta
On 6/2/05, chad gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Dave,
 
 Do i use the standard CFIndex, CFSearch to tap into the K2 collection once i 
 have it hooked up?
 
 I just need to get this thing working now.  I promised a client i can index 
 PDFs and double byte characters.  Well, i can on my Windows box, then low and 
 behold i get sucker punched by Linux's version of Verity where the final code 
 is going to reside.
 
 Macromedia is checking for me to see if MX 7 Verify can do PDFs.  They are 
 going to call me back.  I know MX 7 can do chinese characters.
 

This blog posting (with a link to an external tutorial) might help get
you going...

http://www.scrollinondubs.com/?mode=entryentry=3BEB8739-1143-CDC0-268453A217E8930F

Regards,
Dave.

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Re: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray
Thanks for the Lucene suggestions.  If i had two months to play with it to get 
it installed and configured i would try it out.  It does appear you can do 
Chinese characters with it, but you need a special Analyzer.  You can do PDFs 
but you need a special parser.  I dont have time or patience to duct tape and 
bailing twine together a solution together.

If i can get K2 to share out collections then that works for me.  Of course 
performance is probably going to become an issue since the servers are on 
different networks.



I second the Lucene suggestion. I am currently working on integrating
it to index databases using Aaron Johnson's code here:
http://cephas.net/projects/ (look at the bottom for the CFX tags). His

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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray
At least they are taking the time to try it.  I thought they would just search 
the docs and give me a guess.

I have to double check... you are doing this on LINUX right?

Please say yes, please say yes!  



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RE: web services security (WSS)

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Aebig
I was workin on a JAVA class that would handle it within CF... but I haven't
had the chance to finish it.

!k

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From: wolf2k5 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: web services security (WSS)


Hi,

Unfortunately ColdFusion MX doesn't support web services security (WSS):
http://www.oasis-open.org/specs/index.php#wssv1.0

I found a few threads suggesting to use WSS4J:
http://ws.apache.org/ws-fx/wss4j/

Did anyone try to use it with CFMX 6.1 or 7? Any luck?

Thanks.



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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Linux...nah :-) I'm a Bill lover...



-Original Message-
From: chad gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 June 2005 15:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Verity K2

At least they are taking the time to try it.  I thought they would just
search the docs and give me a guess.

I have to double check... you are doing this on LINUX right?

Please say yes, please say yes!  



Macromedia are checking?! Gotta love first line support (or as we call
them...Manual Monkeys) 

I can tell you now it can index PDF's.. we are doing it here..



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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Wayne Putterill
In a small way, I have set up an old PC as a linux server and played
around with that, the last three sites I did in CF have been hosted on
Linux and used MySql, I have also used some PHP packages and modified
them to some extent. I know I am going to have to sit down and really
learn PHP at some point if I want my skill set to remain marketable,
but I am finding it difficult (emotionally!) to move away from CF.

On 6/2/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wayne,
 
 Have you started adding LAMP development to your skillset?
 
 - Calvin
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:23 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
 
 I had to throw this in:
 
 One of IBM's senior venture capital investment authorities is encouraging
 software start-ups to follow the money, and back the LAMP open source stack.
 
 According to Drew Clark, director of strategic insights for IBM's venture
 capital group, building software using Linux, Apache, MySQL and
 Perl/PHP/Python (LAMP) is one of the key requisites for VC investment today
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/30/vcs_warm_to_lamp/
 
 I'm a huge fan of CF, but in the UK CF jobs are becoming rarer than hens
 teeth while PHP is going from strength to strength. It depresses me, but I
 think CF is becoming increasingly seen as a specialist high end solution due
 to the way Macromedia are now going for the enterprise market almost
 exclusively.
 
 The danger is that the various components of LAMP are just getting better
 and better, the pool of developers is growing in size and quality, and large
 public and private organisations are seriously considering and implementing
 LAMP projects,  where that will leave CF in 5 years I just don't know :(
 
 I have an interview tomorrow for an organisation that uses CF, I really hope
 I get the job as it's the first local CF position I have seen for months and
 I hate to think when the next one may come up.
 
 
 
 

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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Kelly Keith
The sysadmin and I went and looked there... The server has access as
well as the domain it sits in...

Any other thoughts???

kelly

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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


The correct place in Exchange System Administrator is Administrative
Groups --First Administrative Group(if not renamed)--Servers--Server
Name of Exchange server being used
--Protocols--SMTP--Properties--Access Tab--Relay Button

Then select Only the list below radio button and grant the IP of the
server you use, or add it to the existing list if one already exists.

Hope that helps,

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From: John Munyan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SMTP Error

Look in the Exchange System manager tool.  I can't remember the exact
interface but you would want to drill down to where you will see the
protocols (think it is Site, Servers, protocols) one is for smtp and
inside of it one finds the smtp icon which holds the configuratio.  You
can see if your server is allowed to relay throught the exchange server
by taking a properties of it.  I use by IP so my cf server and only my
cf server may relay.
 
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From: Kelly Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 6/1/2005 4:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SMTP Error



My administrator is telling me nothing is being blocked. It is allowing
everyone to send email. We are running Exchange 2003. Where would this
setting be???

Kelly

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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


 I am able to telnet into the mail server from the working cf server, 
 but unable to telnet from the box that isn't working. Make sense? Are 
 there any settings that need to be changed???

This indicates that your problem isn't with CF, but with your mail
server. Your mail server administrator will have to allow your server to
connect to it.

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RE: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Kerry
What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
 list and determining that item1 has no parent

perhaps im missing something here, but:

mylist = item1,item2,item3,item4;

for(i=1; i lte ListLen(mylist);i=i+1){

WriteOutput(I am: ListGetAt(mylist,i));

if(i eq 1){
WriteOutput( and I am the root);
}else{
WriteOutput( and my parent is: 
findparent(mylist,ListGetAt(mylist,i)));
}

WriteOutput(br);
}

function findparent(nlist,me){
var myparent = root;
var myindex = ListFind(nlist,me);

if(myindex gt 1){
myparent = ListGetAt(nlist,myindex-1);
}

return myparent;
}

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From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 15:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: get parent items from list?


Sounds like an adjaceny list model.

Does the list contain the whole tree or does a list only contain a path from
one node to another while other lists contain other paths?



On 6/2/05, Emmet McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brain Meltdown. Maybe someone can help.

 I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5). The list can be any
 length. Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent
 of
 item3 and so on.

 What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
 list and determining that item1 has no parent?

 Thanks,
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Re: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray
Apparently Solaris and Linux Verity are different.

My PDFs have lots of text and index just fine on my windows CF server.

If i try to index the PDFs on linux it just flat out ignores them.  It did the 
three Word Docs that were in the folder, but not the PDFs.


 chad  wrote: 
 Verity is limited.  You cannot do Chinese characters and you cannot index 
 PDFs.
 

I've been able to do both of those things on Solaris and would imagine
that functionality is virtually the same between Linux and Solaris. 
All I can think of are that your PDFs are scanned (images) versus
text, but you say you've indexed the same PDFs on Windows so that
couldn't be the case.

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Re: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Claude Schneegans
 What I'm getting is a list of items in their tree hierarchy.

This is just not possible with only a list.
If you just have a list, in which every item is the next item parent, 
then your tree has only one branch.
You need at least a table with one column for item and one for its parent.

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RE: CFMX Clustering / J2EE Session Sharing (configured, but with unexpected side effects)

2005-06-02 Thread jacksonj
Thanks (once again) Dave.

Our Apache admin is out for the day, so I'm trying to interpret your 
instructions myself (but am having a tough time following them). 

-The way I've dealt with this in the past is to set up each CFMX instance
-with its own web server (either the JRun web server or a specific IIS or
-Apache virtual host)

My CFMX sites are all hosted on a single CFMX instance (per machine), but each 
site has its own virtual host entry (e.g., ENTRY 2, below).

-then added each instance to the cluster,

Since I've got one CFMX instance per machine, my cluster(s) consist(s) of one 
local CFMX instance and one remote CFMX instance. (So, I think I've completed 
this step.)

-then configured the cluster to talk to a specific IIS or Apache virtual host.

This is the part that I'm unsure how to accomplish. Would you mind helping me 
through this part? I've included some snippets from my httpd.conf.

Thanks,
Jamie

!-- ENTRY 1 --
IfModule mod_jrun.c   
   
JRunConfig Verbose false
   
JRunConfig Apialloc false   
   
JRunConfig Ssl false
   
JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap false
   
JRunConfig Serverstore /usr/local/jrun/lib/wsconfig/1/jrunserver.store  
   
JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51000   
AddHandler jrun-handler .jsp .jws .cfm  
   
/IfModule 




!-- ENTRY 2 --
VirtualHost *
!-- One of our CF sites --

ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
 
DocumentRoot /var/www/myCfSite  

ServerName my.cf.site.com   
   
ServerAlias stage1.my.cf.site.com   
 
CustomLog /var/log/apache/my.cf.site.com-access_log common  
   
ErrorLog /var/log/apache/my.cf.site.com-error_log
/VirtualHost   

!-- ENTRY 3 --
VirtualHost *
!-- One of our java sites, thrown in for the heck of it --
ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
   
DocumentRoot /var/www/myJavaSite
 
ServerName my.java.site.com 
 
ServerAlias www.my.java.site.com

CustomLog /var/log/apache/my.java.site.com-access_log common
   
ErrorLog /var/log/apache/my.java.site.com-error_log 
   
IfModule mod_jrun.c   
   
   JRunConfig Verbose false 
   
   JRunConfig Apialloc false  
   JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap false 
   
   JRunConfig Serverstore /usr/local/jrun/lib/wsconfig/3/jrunserver.store   
   
   JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51006
   AddHandler jrun-handler .jsp .jws .cfm .cfml .cfc
 

RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray
You killing me Neil.  You got my hopes up and squashed them like a bug.
:)


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CFMAIL - HTML and plain text

2005-06-02 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Hey All,

It's been a while since I had to send anything more than plain text with CFMAIL

I tried reading an HTML mail I generated with my mail client set to read as 
plain text only.  For the most part the plain text view of the mail looked fine 
with one exception.  Where lines wrapped, the first line was indented and the 
following lines were not (all the way to left side of window).

Is there any way to control how the plain text will get viewed?  Can I get rid 
of the indent OR the lines wrapping all the way to the left?

TIA

Cheers

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Larry Lyons
Good God...my Eyesmy Eyes

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 June 2005 14:04
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?

- Calvin 

If that code is a condemnation of CF, its a fairly weak one. I've seen crap 
code in CF, JS, Java, ASP,PHP, you name it. I've also seen some very elegant 
code in each of those languages. The point is that how much does the code in 
question cost? For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as 
long as the same site being done in CF, then whatever you have in the free 
software, you've more than spent on programmers wages. So which site is cheaper 
again?

larry

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Install Problems - CF 7 XP Pro / IIS

2005-06-02 Thread Brad Roberts
I never could get the Web Server Configuration Tool to work (after
unblocking ports, etc.), so (per Macromedia) I followed the instructions to
configure it manually (http://www.macromedia.com/go/tn_19575).

Now, IIS is very slow when browsing directories, and CF pages are never
displayed.  As soon as I remove the JRun Connector Filter from the ISAPI
filters, IIS runs normally.

Is there a simple way to install CF 7 on Win XP Pro with IIS?  I've been
frustrated over this for a month!

Thanks,

Brad Roberts

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Ian Skinner
Well, it had comments! ;-)


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-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with a
language, but stating in someway that the developers using PHP are
amateurs is just not true.

In general, I found the average quality of products developed with PHP
much higher than those made with CF. The learning curve of CF due to its
tag based syntax is much lower, and so people with less programming
experience or less know-how about how to approach certain constructions
are starting quickly writing their code in CF. That is the power behind
CF, but it has its side effects regarding quality. The PHP learning
curve is much higher nor is it very attractive to the beginning
developer. Most people starting with PHP have at least some theoretical
and experience about programming.

Ofcourse there are many good CF developers, but there are also a lot of
unexperienced developers, just because they can get started quickly with
programming. How many developers really use cfqueryparam for instance? I
think there are a lot just output the values without review.

This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
there was an error somewhere)
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Bryan Stevenson
For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as long as the 
same site being done in CF, then whatever you have in the free software, 
you've more than spent on programmers wages. So which site is cheaper again?

 larry

Amen Larry!!I don't know why this concept is so hard for some people to 
get.

.and before the PHP commandos jump down my throatno this is not 
specific to PHP...just an example Larry usedcould be said for many 
free solutions

I could do all kinds of projects using free tools, and they may very well 
work as well as the apps I build using not so free toolsbut would I want 
to have to maintain them??  No bloody way ;-)

Cheers

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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Charlie Griefer
and it was impeccably indented :)

On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, it had comments! ;-)
 
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
 
 This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
 there was an error somewhere)
 http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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Re: Install Problems - CF 7 XP Pro / IIS

2005-06-02 Thread Tony Weeg
brad, i must say something else is up... ive been running cfmx7 on my
xp pro iis laptop for about, well... 8 months or so... no install
problems.

tw

On 6/2/05, Brad Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I never could get the Web Server Configuration Tool to work (after
 unblocking ports, etc.), so (per Macromedia) I followed the instructions to
 configure it manually (http://www.macromedia.com/go/tn_19575).
 
 Now, IIS is very slow when browsing directories, and CF pages are never
 displayed.  As soon as I remove the JRun Connector Filter from the ISAPI
 filters, IIS runs normally.
 
 Is there a simple way to install CF 7 on Win XP Pro with IIS?  I've been
 frustrated over this for a month!
 
 Thanks,
 
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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts
 Do i use the standard CFIndex, CFSearch to tap into the K2 
 collection once i have it hooked up?

Yes, it's pretty straightforward, whether the K2 collections are local or
remote. One minor difference is that within K2, database and filesystem
indexes are stored in separate collections, so if you had both within a
single VDK collection, you would now need two K2 collections.

If you plan to run K2 on a separate machine, you might find this useful:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=42cfdd4a

 Macromedia is checking for me to see if MX 7 Verify can do 
 PDFs.  They are going to call me back.  I know MX 7 can do 
 chinese characters.

I'm sorry, but I don't remember this offhand. However, you can always
download the evaluation version and find out for yourself.

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts
 It wasn't a reason, but a possible rationalisation.

If this is the case, I really don't understand why you bothered. The
inference I drew from your previous posts was that you thought MySQL's
approach to NULL values was just as good as anyone else's, because there are
all sorts of inherent problems with NULL values anyway. I can offer all
sorts of rationalizations about why IE doesn't support CSS as well as I
think it should, but I'm not going to say that it doesn't make any
difference anyway in the same breath.

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RE: Install Problems - CF 7 XP Pro / IIS

2005-06-02 Thread Brad Roberts
I've got two desktops that I can't install it on.  I keep getting port
51011 is blocked.  I've made exceptions in Win Firewall for every port CF
uses (as listed on Macromedia's website).  I've even disabled the firewall.

This stinks, because it installed fine on our production server, but I can't
get it to work on our dev boxes.

Brad Roberts

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Install Problems - CF 7  XP Pro / IIS

brad, i must say something else is up... ive been running cfmx7 on my
xp pro iis laptop for about, well... 8 months or so... no install
problems.

tw

On 6/2/05, Brad Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I never could get the Web Server Configuration Tool to work (after
 unblocking ports, etc.), so (per Macromedia) I followed the instructions
to
 configure it manually (http://www.macromedia.com/go/tn_19575).
 
 Now, IIS is very slow when browsing directories, and CF pages are never
 displayed.  As soon as I remove the JRun Connector Filter from the ISAPI
 filters, IIS runs normally.
 
 Is there a simple way to install CF 7 on Win XP Pro with IIS?  I've been
 frustrated over this for a month!
 
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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts
 The sysadmin and I went and looked there... The server has access 
 as well as the domain it sits in...
 
 Any other thoughts???

What was the exact error message you got when you attempted to send via
telnet from the web server? Or were you simply unable to connect at all? If
the latter is the case, then you may have some port blocking or firewall in
between the web server and the mail server.

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Adrian Lynch
24 times at the greatest depth!! :Oo

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 16:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP


.and it was impeccably indented :)

On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 -Original Message-
 From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
 
 This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
 there was an error somewhere)
 http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Kelly Keith
The exact message is as follows...

Could not open a connection to host on port 25.

The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange
server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server
works and the other doesn't. Make sense?

Any other thoughts???

Kelly

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


 The sysadmin and I went and looked there... The server has access
 as well as the domain it sits in...
 
 Any other thoughts???

What was the exact error message you got when you attempted to send via
telnet from the web server? Or were you simply unable to connect at all?
If the latter is the case, then you may have some port blocking or
firewall in between the web server and the mail server.

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ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray
CF Forum is my favorite.

http://www.cfcode.com/

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Going on now! Steve Rittler on FarCry and Michael Dinowitz on Consuming Popular Web Service

2005-06-02 Thread Steven Erat
This CFUNITED preview will host two 15 minute talks by Michael Dinowitz 
on Consuming Popular Web Services and Steve Rittler on FarCry, A Free 
ColdFusion-based CMS (Content Management System).

These talks are brief previews of the seminars to be given at CFUNITED 
between June 29 and July 1. See http://www.cfunited.com/ for more.

These talks are given online, so just open the Breeze Meeting URL at the 
time of the event and login as a guest using your name or a nickname. 
The meetings will contain live audio, and a combination of slides and/or 
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Re: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Russell Patterson
If the CF servers and the Exchange server are behind the same firewall, I 
would verify that the IP configuration is correct.  If all is correct, in 
the CF Admin, I would point the CF server to the Exchange server by the IP 
address and not the computer name.

HTH,
Russell

- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


 The exact message is as follows...

 Could not open a connection to host on port 25.

 The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange
 server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server
 works and the other doesn't. Make sense?

 Any other thoughts???

 Kelly




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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward
That was very nicely done. Although I could read neither the comments, the
variable values or even the variable names, so it was all greek(dutch?) to
me! :P 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP

.and it was impeccably indented :)

On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, it had comments! ;-)
 
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
 
 This is true code running in production I had to review once 
 (because there was an error somewhere) 
 http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Richard Crawford
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:27, Calvin Ward wrote:
  This is true code running in production I had to review once
  (because there was an error somewhere)
  http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

Oh, God.  The horror!  The horror!  My eyes are melting!  Aii!!

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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Kelly Keith
That is what I am doing on both cf servers. It's just one works and one
doesn't.

Kelly

-Original Message-
From: Russell Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SMTP Error


If the CF servers and the Exchange server are behind the same firewall,
I 
would verify that the IP configuration is correct.  If all is correct,
in 
the CF Admin, I would point the CF server to the Exchange server by the
IP 
address and not the computer name.

HTH,
Russell

- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


 The exact message is as follows...

 Could not open a connection to host on port 25.

 The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange 
 server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server 
 works and the other doesn't. Make sense?

 Any other thoughts???

 Kelly






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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Aebig
Coldfusion... PHP... dotNET... truely guys, its all the same thing with
different implementations.

Now Perl on the other hand Why won't that language just die already...

!k

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP


That was very nicely done. Although I could read neither the comments, the
variable values or even the variable names, so it was all greek(dutch?) to
me! :P

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP

..and it was impeccably indented :)

On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, it had comments! ;-)


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 - Cynthia Dunning

 -Original Message-
 From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
 
 This is true code running in production I had to review once
 (because there was an error somewhere)
 http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

--
Charlie Griefer


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Re: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Russell Patterson
Can you ping the Exchange server from the CF server that is not working? 
Can you ping the CF server that is not working from the Exchange server?

Russell

- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


 That is what I am doing on both cf servers. It's just one works and one
 doesn't.

 Kelly

 -Original Message-
 From: Russell Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:26 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: SMTP Error


 If the CF servers and the Exchange server are behind the same firewall,
 I
 would verify that the IP configuration is correct.  If all is correct,
 in
 the CF Admin, I would point the CF server to the Exchange server by the
 IP
 address and not the computer name.

 HTH,
 Russell

 - Original Message - 
 From: Kelly Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:04 AM
 Subject: RE: SMTP Error


 The exact message is as follows...

 Could not open a connection to host on port 25.

 The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange
 server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server
 works and the other doesn't. Make sense?

 Any other thoughts???

 Kelly






 

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ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Stan Winchester
Tony,

Have you looked at Aftershock Forums? 
http://www.aftershockweb.net/forums/threads.cfm/ForumId/9

It does offer private conferences and Avatars. I would be happy to add 
emoticons.

Thank you,
Aftershock Web Design, Inc.
by: Stan Winchester
President/Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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Phone 503-244-3440
Fax 503-244-3454

Hola peeps...

Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature
rich forum application.

any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:

1. private messages
2. emoticons

and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make
most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?


thanks.

-- 
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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Richard Crawford
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:35, Kevin Aebig wrote:
 Coldfusion... PHP... dotNET... truely guys, its all the same thing with
 different implementations.

 Now Perl on the other hand Why won't that language just die already...

For CGI scripting, Perl has its uses (though I personally haven't used it for 
that purpose in years).  For server-side scripting, though -- like when you 
need to go through all 4,000 files in all 600 subdirectories from your 
webroot with a specific naming convention and replace the form action tag 
with with a new string, the contents of which depend on the name of the 
directory just above the current subdirectory if that directory name contains 
a capital letter or a number -- why there ain't nothin' better than Perl.  
Pound out a four line script, chmod to executable, execute it with perl -w 
script_name.pl, and you're in business.  Assuming you know what the heck 
you're doing with those regular expressions.

And yes, that is something I really have faced.  Several times.

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help finding thread .net vs cf

2005-06-02 Thread Joshua OConnor-Rose
Not too long ago there was a discussion on this page
that  compares dot net to cf.

I'm trying to help a friend out and I thought there
was a good objective discussion regarding this page.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/coldfusiontoaspnet.asp?frame=true

Does anybody have a link to the thread that I can
point him to for a more objective view.

Thanks in advance

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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts
 The exact message is as follows...
 
 Could not open a connection to host on port 25.
 
 The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange
 server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server
 works and the other doesn't. Make sense?
 
 Any other thoughts???

Well then, there's certainly something blocking SMTP traffic entirely. I
don't know what to tell you beyond that, as you have said you can
successfully ping the mail server from the web server, so not all traffic is
being blocked. Can you connect to other mail servers via SMTP from your web
server?

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Re: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Russell Patterson
Since the servers are behind the firewall, are you using NAT?  If you are 
using private IP addresses, then instead of pointing to the Public IP 
address of the Exchange server, point to the private internal IP address.

Russell

- Original Message - 
From: Kelly Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:56 PM
Subject: SMTP Error


I have just installed CFMX 6.1 (with 6.1 Updater) on a Windows 2003 Server 
with Service Pack 1. When I log into the CF Admin and try to enter the IP 
Address for the Mail Server, I am getting Connection Failed. I am able to 
ping the mail server from the cf box.

 The mail log has the following error message..

 Could not connect to SMTP host: 207.225.199.13, port: 25; nested exception 
 is: java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort: connect

 Any ideas would be greatly appreciated

 thanks.

 kelly keith

 

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Matt Osbun
Kinda reminds me of Vogon Poetry.

Without the benefit of having a huge, ugly space monster distracting you
from what's really going on...

Matt Osbun
Web Developer
Health Systems, International



-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP


On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:27, Calvin Ward wrote:
  This is true code running in production I had to review once
  (because there was an error somewhere)
  http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

Oh, God.  The horror!  The horror!  My eyes are melting!  Aii!!

(And this only supports my contention that the programming language
doesn't 
matter, for the Zen or horrific coding transcends them all.)

-- 
Richard S. Crawford
Programmer III
UC Davis Extension Distance Education Group
2901 K Street
Sacramento, CA  95816
(916)327-7793
http://unexdlc.ucdavis.edu

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Re: help finding thread .net vs cf

2005-06-02 Thread Joe Rinehart
I wrote a heavily-commented blog entry on it a while back, from the
perspective of someone who was using both:

http://clearsoftware.net/client/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=3AD583EF-E081-2BAC-69DEECDEFD01C4BE

Be sure to read the comments: barry b.'s are worth as much if not more
than my post itself!

On 6/2/05, Joshua OConnor-Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not too long ago there was a discussion on this page
 that  compares dot net to cf.
 
 I'm trying to help a friend out and I thought there
 was a good objective discussion regarding this page.
 
 http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/coldfusiontoaspnet.asp?frame=true
 
 Does anybody have a link to the thread that I can
 point him to for a more objective view.
 
 Thanks in advance
 
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fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variables

2005-06-02 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I'm betting the answer to this is no, but has anyone found a way of
migrating an existing application.cfm to the onRequestStart portion of
an Application.cfc while maintaining the viability of local variables
that had been set in the Application.cfm? I know it's a bad practice
-- wasn't my idea. :) I was just kinda hoping (likely futile) that
there might be a workaround to allow us to use application.cfc in
spite of the bad practice.



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RE: ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Tarantor
Hi,

 

Plase check out our forum app which is based on Galleon via
http://forum.cftr.net http://forum.cftr.net/ 

 

We have both emotions and avatar support and some more other features.

 

You can see a bit infor via
http://ray.camdenfamily.com/forums/messages.cfm?threadid=27B24836-A89F-3D54-
284F83E8232FBA13

 

If you would have interest, I can send code that I have already modified.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Oguz Demirkapi

 

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2005 15:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ColdFusion Forum software

 

Hola peeps...

 

Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's

Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature

rich forum application.

 

any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:

 

1. private messages

2. emoticons

 

and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make

most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?

 

 

thanks.

 

-- 

tony

 

Tony Weeg

 

macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer

email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com

blog: http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/

cool tool: http://www.antiwrap.com

 

...straight cash homey

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Aebig
I definately hear what you're getting at...

I personally prefer to use shell script in scenario's like that. On the
other hand, I do think the best place for perl these days lives in Linux
administration software. Its robust enough to hand alot of delicate parsing
and can easily take a big workload.

For web use though... its a total abomination.

Cheers,

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP


On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:35, Kevin Aebig wrote:
 Coldfusion... PHP... dotNET... truely guys, its all the same thing with
 different implementations.

 Now Perl on the other hand Why won't that language just die already...

For CGI scripting, Perl has its uses (though I personally haven't used it
for
that purpose in years).  For server-side scripting, though -- like when you
need to go through all 4,000 files in all 600 subdirectories from your
webroot with a specific naming convention and replace the form action tag
with with a new string, the contents of which depend on the name of the
directory just above the current subdirectory if that directory name
contains
a capital letter or a number -- why there ain't nothin' better than Perl.
Pound out a four line script, chmod to executable, execute it with perl -w
script_name.pl, and you're in business.  Assuming you know what the heck
you're doing with those regular expressions.

And yes, that is something I really have faced.  Several times.

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RE: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variables

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward
I think you can use the OnRequest method (be sure to read up on it) and
anything declared there will be fine as local variables just like
Application.cfm.

- Calvin 

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variables 

I'm betting the answer to this is no, but has anyone found a way of
migrating an existing application.cfm to the onRequestStart portion of an
Application.cfc while maintaining the viability of local variables that had
been set in the Application.cfm? I know it's a bad practice
-- wasn't my idea. :) I was just kinda hoping (likely futile) that there
might be a workaround to allow us to use application.cfc in spite of the bad
practice.



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RE: inserting checkboxes into a db

2005-06-02 Thread daniel kessler
this worked well.  thank you very much

No. Fields with the same name name return a comma-delimited list when more
than 1 is checked. Also, a checkbox is not True or False, it is Undefined or
Value (of value=#checkbox_value#).

In your case, the hidden field should be present on forms with checkboxes
and provide, as you surmised, a defualt value of 0.
Use IsDefined('FORM.checkbox_name') in the UPDATE to determine whether to
updaytre the field.


-Original Message-
From: daniel kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: inserting checkboxes into a db


input type=hidden name=c1 value=0
  input type=checkbox name=c1 value=a
  input type=checkbox name=c1 value=b

So the hidden sets the default value, right?  Here's what I did.

on the page:
input type=hidden name=#checkbox_name# value=0
input name=#checkbox_name# #checked# type=checkbox id=#checkbox_name#
value=#checkbox_value#

and on the UPDATE page, I left it as is:
cfif structKeyExists(form,'mandate')
 cfset session.mandate = form.mandate
mandate = cfqueryparam value=#session.mandate#
cfsqltype=CF_SQL_NUMERIC,
/cfif

So, whenever the checkbox exists, it'll either input this the checkbox value
or it's hidden field, because the checkbox won't overwrite it.  right?

oh, I just checked that and it sorta works.  If it's not checked, it works
fine.  If it's checked, then it puts out 38352 in the value, rather than the
1 it's supposed to be.  I suppose it's having problems with two fields being
named the same.

While I don't know if this is how you meant for me to implement it, it
seemed intriguing.

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CFSCRIPT / RequestTimeOut?

2005-06-02 Thread Adkins, Randy
Does anyone know of an issue when using CFScript and if a function
exceeds the
RequestTimeOut variable set in the Administrator or as part of the URL,
the server
never seems to release it.
 
I do not want to revert back to regular CF tags cause cfscript is a
performance 
enhancement for us.
 
Thanks!
 
 


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RE: Turkish ColdFusion Forum

2005-06-02 Thread Tarantor
 

:)

 

 looks GREAT!

 wish i could read turkish :)

 

Thanks.

 

If you would learn Turkish, you can attend our training classes. Turkish is the 
7th biggest language in world. 

 

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This is a first time chance in your live. Please do not miss it!!!

 

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tw

 

On 6/1/05, Tarantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 

 

 

 I do not know how many of you may have interest such a topic but I also want

 to inform this list about our forum.

 

 

 

 I just wanted to let you know about our forum page. You can reach via

 http://forum.cftr.net http://forum.cftr.net/

 

 

 

 It is based on Raymond Camden's Galleon and works with ColdFusion MX 7 and

 MySQL 4.1.x.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variab les

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts
 I'm betting the answer to this is no, but has anyone found a way of
 migrating an existing application.cfm to the onRequestStart portion of
 an Application.cfc while maintaining the viability of local variables
 that had been set in the Application.cfm? I know it's a bad practice
 -- wasn't my idea. :) I was just kinda hoping (likely futile) that
 there might be a workaround to allow us to use application.cfc in
 spite of the bad practice.

First, what's wrong with setting local variables in Application.cfm?

Second, you can just set them in Application.cfc the same way. Just don't
put them in a function, and they'll work just like in Application.cfm.

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RE: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Emmet McGovern
I haven't tried the way you did it yet Kerry.  I did get it to work however.

Claude, you're incorrect on the database structure of a tree.  You can put
it all in one table and recursively get the entire tree.  How else could you
support unlimited parent child relationships?  I have trees that go 20 deep.
I'm definitely not going to have a table for each child.

Thanks for the help.

Emmet

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From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: get parent items from list?

What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
 list and determining that item1 has no parent

perhaps im missing something here, but:

mylist = item1,item2,item3,item4;

for(i=1; i lte ListLen(mylist);i=i+1){

WriteOutput(I am: ListGetAt(mylist,i));

if(i eq 1){
WriteOutput( and I am the root);
}else{
WriteOutput( and my parent is:
findparent(mylist,ListGetAt(mylist,i)));
}

WriteOutput(br);
}

function findparent(nlist,me){
var myparent = root;
var myindex = ListFind(nlist,me);

if(myindex gt 1){
myparent = ListGetAt(nlist,myindex-1);
}

return myparent;
}

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From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 15:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: get parent items from list?


Sounds like an adjaceny list model.

Does the list contain the whole tree or does a list only contain a path from
one node to another while other lists contain other paths?



On 6/2/05, Emmet McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brain Meltdown. Maybe someone can help.

 I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5). The list can be any
 length. Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent
 of
 item3 and so on.

 What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
 list and determining that item1 has no parent?

 Thanks,
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