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I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. Let's talk about Viviotech a minute. I'm not sure where all of you work, but we have a small business. I'm on their site now. They've told me they don't offer CF on their shared hosting servers so I have to go with VPS. Leaving everything as standard except adding a Windows server ($7) and CF 9 ($35) that comes to $76.95/month or $923.40/year. Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? A Railo or openBD server only has a setup cost but I'm assuming I'd have to make code adjustments for those - I don't know anything about them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354561 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Go with Hostek, affordable and great support. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. Let's talk about Viviotech a minute. I'm not sure where all of you work, but we have a small business. I'm on their site now. They've told me they don't offer CF on their shared hosting servers so I have to go with VPS. Leaving everything as standard except adding a Windows server ($7) and CF 9 ($35) that comes to $76.95/month or $923.40/year. Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? A Railo or openBD server only has a setup cost but I'm assuming I'd have to make code adjustments for those - I don't know anything about them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354562 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Larry, as the saying goes you get what you pay for. If you are looking for cheap hosting then there are thousands of hosts to choose from at the bottom end for 9.99 or so If you want management, better service and support then you should be prepared to pay extra for that. All the hosts I mentioned are on the TOP end of that scale. It depends how much you value your website and your on-line presence as to how much you spend. We often get customers quoting us that they lose thousands in orders if their site is down, yet they are only prepared to spend 9.99 a month on their hosting ??? doesn't make a lot of sense does it. It is also important to understand the difference between cloud and VPS and which one your getting. a Cheap 9.99 VPS is going to be very heavily contended (this is generally called cloud hosting). $76 for a VPS with CF is actually pretty good, go and look how much CF enterprise actually costs to buy, and then factor that into the equation. With the new CF10 licensing it is even harder for any hosts to scrape this money back and can only have a limited number of servers per license, so $35 per month for cf enterprise is very good. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. Let's talk about Viviotech a minute. I'm not sure where all of you work, but we have a small business. I'm on their site now. They've told me they don't offer CF on their shared hosting servers so I have to go with VPS. Leaving everything as standard except adding a Windows server ($7) and CF 9 ($35) that comes to $76.95/month or $923.40/year. Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? A Railo or openBD server only has a setup cost but I'm assuming I'd have to make code adjustments for those - I don't know anything about them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354563 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? From the sounds of it, you are currently spending a lot of time dealing with problems at your currently hosting company. Time = money. You currently spend alot of *time* dealing with issues with your hosting. You currently spend alot of *money* dealing with issues with your hosting. Since you don't pay them much money, they probably don't spend much time on your server issues. But it's not just you. They probably don't spend much time on anyone's shared server issues. Viviotech's pricing is very very competitive for what you get, which is awesome support. With Viviotech, you are paying them a rate that makes it worth their while to give that awesome customer support to you. In exchange, you don't waste a whole bunch of your time dealing with problems. Now, I may be mistaken and you may have all the time in the world to spend dealing with problems like this. However, as a small business owner myself, one of the most valuable things to me is my time, and I am certainly willing to pay a fair amount of money for services like solid hosting so that I can preserve that time for more profitable endeavors. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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That is who I am with now...no complaints from me... -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting A to Z Go with Hostek, affordable and great support. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. Let's talk about Viviotech a minute. I'm not sure where all of you work, but we have a small business. I'm on their site now. They've told me they don't offer CF on their shared hosting servers so I have to go with VPS. Leaving everything as standard except adding a Windows server ($7) and CF 9 ($35) that comes to $76.95/month or $923.40/year. Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? A Railo or openBD server only has a setup cost but I'm assuming I'd have to make code adjustments for those - I don't know anything about them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354574 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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What he said. If I have to spend two hours a month dealing with bad tech support at a hosting company, I have wasted more billable time than my hosting costs at VivioTech, where I get excellent support within minutes. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? From the sounds of it, you are currently spending a lot of time dealing with problems at your currently hosting company. Time = money. You currently spend alot of *time* dealing with issues with your hosting. You currently spend alot of *money* dealing with issues with your hosting.] ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: Does anyone else use them? I don't. My frustration factor is climbing. Neither their support or sales people are responding. The last time this happened they were buying someone out and all were supposedly busy. Full stop. If you do not immediately move off of a host who behaves this way after it's happened TWICE, then you are doing it wrong. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. It's already happened twice. Sounds like you are begging to for a third time. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354532 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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There are plenty better choices for usa, try viviotech.com. For dedicated edgewebhosting.com, if your in Europe, www.bluethunder.co Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Feb 15, 2013 7:21 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: Does anyone else use them? I don't. My frustration factor is climbing. Neither their support or sales people are responding. The last time this happened they were buying someone out and all were supposedly busy. Full stop. If you do not immediately move off of a host who behaves this way after it's happened TWICE, then you are doing it wrong. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. It's already happened twice. Sounds like you are begging to for a third time. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354533 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:28 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting A to Z There are plenty better choices for usa, try viviotech.com. For dedicated edgewebhosting.com, if your in Europe, www.bluethunder.co Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Feb 15, 2013 7:21 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354534 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I'll check them out. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Eric Bourland [mailto:e...@ebwebwork.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Hosting A to Z I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354536 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354548 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Where the hell is the +infinity button? On Feb 15, 2013 10:07 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354549 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Matt, if you're using Windows7 or later, the +infiinity button is the combination ALT+F4 Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: Where the hell is the +infinity button? On Feb 15, 2013 10:07 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. -- ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354550 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I think Matt is on Linux. In that case, the +infinity button should be CTRL+ALT+Backspace, depending on your windowing environment. But still, he's right. +Infinity. nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, if you're using Windows7 or later, the +infiinity button is the combination ALT+F4 Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: Where the hell is the +infinity button? On Feb 15, 2013 10:07 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. -- ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354551 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Where the hell is the +infinity button? +infinity ++ What happens when you add one to infinity? Best hosting company EVAR!! SRSLY. I have been with them for years. No complaints. Like ever. G! On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: Where the hell is the +infinity button? On Feb 15, 2013 10:07 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354552 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. If you're using CFFORM validation, etc, I recommend you just upload the validation JS libraries to your own site, then specify the appropriate SCRIPTSRC attribute in your CFFORM tags. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354500 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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And then consider moving off of cfform. Please. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. If you're using CFFORM validation, etc, I recommend you just upload the validation JS libraries to your own site, then specify the appropriate SCRIPTSRC attribute in your CFFORM tags. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354501 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I second that :) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting A to Z And then consider moving off of cfform. Please. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. If you're using CFFORM validation, etc, I recommend you just upload the validation JS libraries to your own site, then specify the appropriate SCRIPTSRC attribute in your CFFORM tags. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354502 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I'm also using ColdFusion.Ajax.submitForm (and I'm struggling with fully understanding jQuery's Ajax call) but I suppose I could upload what I need to my own site. Seems odd I would need to do that. I read this list every day but I've obviously missed something. What would I use if not cfform - the plain form tag? It seems like this is saying CF is nice and here's all it gives you, just don't use it. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting A to Z And then consider moving off of cfform. Please. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. If you're using CFFORM validation, etc, I recommend you just upload the validation JS libraries to your own site, then specify the appropriate SCRIPTSRC attribute in your CFFORM tags. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354503 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I'm also using ColdFusion.Ajax.submitForm (and I'm struggling with fully understanding jQuery's Ajax call) but I suppose I could upload what I need to my own site. Seems odd I would need to do that. Well, if they blocked all access to CFIDE, you can either get them to fix it, or fix it yourself by putting files in your own web root. I read this list every day but I've obviously missed something. What would I use if not cfform - the plain form tag? It seems like this is saying CF is nice and here's all it gives you, just don't use it. I thought it was kind of funny hearing that from Ray, who after all is Mr. Adobe, but he's right. What CF gives you is good if you don't know JavaScript, but it's somewhat limited. Overall, you're better off learning JS and using common JS libraries like ExtJS or jQuery. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354504 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Let me re-phrase the issue: I haven't stopped to examine what I routinely due with cfform - it's always been there and so I used it (So to (finally) answer you Caleb - should you use it? Sure. If you find that they aid your development then why not? If you feel more comfortable writing your own JavaScript (just to pick on cfform/cfdiv specifically) then use that instead. Ditto for any other feature. http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2009/3/4/Ask-a-Jedi-New-to-ColdFusion-why-use-cfform-cfdiv-cftable ) My big issue (I think) is ColdFusion.AjaxSubmit. I've started using jQuery's ajax call in some instances but I'm struggling with how to submit a form and then work with a callback routine. I'm looking at http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.ajax/ but it's not jumping out at me. Can someone suggest a site or book that gives some examples? Of course, the other issue is all the pages that already have the CF code ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354505 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I read this list every day but I've obviously missed something. What would I use if not cfform - the plain form tag? It seems like this is saying CF is nice and here's all it gives you, just don't use it. I thought it was kind of funny hearing that from Ray, who after all is Mr. Adobe, but he's right. What CF gives you is good if you don't know JavaScript, but it's somewhat limited. Overall, you're better off learning JS and using common JS libraries like ExtJS or jQuery. To be clear, my views are my own, not necessarily those of Adobe. Hell, we still support Flash Forms, but you won't find a soul alive who would recommend that either. ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354506 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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just to break it down a bit further. People that know JS and use Jquery a lot generally wont bother using CFFOREM and CF's built in ajax stuff as they know they can do it much better themselves. The stuff built into CF is great for quick and dirty solutions if your a beginner or want to knock something out quick and not too concerned about how its done. There are however some plusses and minuses on each side. The code CF generates to do cf form validation for example is rather clunky and repetitive (not good code reuse), however it is only generating the code you need so in the grand scale, quite small, but does rely on the existence of the CFIDE folder. Using JQuery or similar would result in better code, and you could have the same set of code handle server side validation and client side (via ajax) and you don;t rely on CF or the CFIDE, but there will be much more code as you have the JQuery library to include for a start, so this may be overkill if your needs are simply and add unnecessary bloat and loading time to your page. A lot of people STILL do not even consider server side validation, which allows haxors to bypass all your client side validation by disabling JS and potentially hacking your forms, injecting malware/phishing code, XSS attacks etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354507 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? CFForm is pretty freakin exhaustive. I looked in earnest (within the last year or two) to find a replacement and have not seen anything that would come close to the completeness of datatypes it validates against. Any suggestions for a client side validation replacement? I am not a particularly big fan of pop up boxes nor CFForm itself, but it *is* a huge time saver in a crunch time. G! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: just to break it down a bit further. People that know JS and use Jquery a lot generally wont bother using CFFOREM and CF's built in ajax stuff as they know they can do it much better themselves. The stuff built into CF is great for quick and dirty solutions if your a beginner or want to knock something out quick and not too concerned about how its done. There are however some plusses and minuses on each side. The code CF generates to do cf form validation for example is rather clunky and repetitive (not good code reuse), however it is only generating the code you need so in the grand scale, quite small, but does rely on the existence of the CFIDE folder. Using JQuery or similar would result in better code, and you could have the same set of code handle server side validation and client side (via ajax) and you don;t rely on CF or the CFIDE, but there will be much more code as you have the JQuery library to include for a start, so this may be overkill if your needs are simply and add unnecessary bloat and loading time to your page. A lot of people STILL do not even consider server side validation, which allows haxors to bypass all your client side validation by disabling JS and potentially hacking your forms, injecting malware/phishing code, XSS attacks etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354509 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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+1 to Gerald's question. Post-cfform, I used Adobe Spry which was pretty good. Nowadays, I'd like to use a JQuery plugin / lib (as opposed to rolling my own JQuery), but have not ID'd one yet. Anyone have a favorite? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? CFForm is pretty freakin exhaustive. I looked in earnest (within the last year or two) to find a replacement and have not seen anything that would come close to the completeness of datatypes it validates against. Any suggestions for a client side validation replacement? I am not a particularly big fan of pop up boxes nor CFForm itself, but it *is* a huge time saver in a crunch time. G! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: just to break it down a bit further. People that know JS and use Jquery a lot generally wont bother using CFFOREM and CF's built in ajax stuff as they know they can do it much better themselves. The stuff built into CF is great for quick and dirty solutions if your a beginner or want to knock something out quick and not too concerned about how its done. There are however some plusses and minuses on each side. The code CF generates to do cf form validation for example is rather clunky and repetitive (not good code reuse), however it is only generating the code you need so in the grand scale, quite small, but does rely on the existence of the CFIDE folder. Using JQuery or similar would result in better code, and you could have the same set of code handle server side validation and client side (via ajax) and you don;t rely on CF or the CFIDE, but there will be much more code as you have the JQuery library to include for a start, so this may be overkill if your needs are simply and add unnecessary bloat and loading time to your page. A lot of people STILL do not even consider server side validation, which allows haxors to bypass all your client side validation by disabling JS and potentially hacking your forms, injecting malware/phishing code, XSS attacks etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354510 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Personally, I just use the basics to check the input and massage it as required. If you use JQuery, I don't believe that is server side though. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Gerald's question. Post-cfform, I used Adobe Spry which was pretty good. Nowadays, I'd like to use a JQuery plugin / lib (as opposed to rolling my own JQuery), but have not ID'd one yet. Anyone have a favorite? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? CFForm is pretty freakin exhaustive. I looked in earnest (within the last year or two) to find a replacement and have not seen anything that would come close to the completeness of datatypes it validates against. Any suggestions for a client side validation replacement? I am not a particularly big fan of pop up boxes nor CFForm itself, but it *is* a huge time saver in a crunch time. G! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: just to break it down a bit further. People that know JS and use Jquery a lot generally wont bother using CFFOREM and CF's built in ajax stuff as they know they can do it much better themselves. The stuff built into CF is great for quick and dirty solutions if your a beginner or want to knock something out quick and not too concerned about how its done. There are however some plusses and minuses on each side. The code CF generates to do cf form validation for example is rather clunky and repetitive (not good code reuse), however it is only generating the code you need so in the grand scale, quite small, but does rely on the existence of the CFIDE folder. Using JQuery or similar would result in better code, and you could have the same set of code handle server side validation and client side (via ajax) and you don;t rely on CF or the CFIDE, but there will be much more code as you have the JQuery library to include for a start, so this may be overkill if your needs are simply and add unnecessary bloat and loading time to your page. A lot of people STILL do not even consider server side validation, which allows haxors to bypass all your client side validation by disabling JS and potentially hacking your forms, injecting malware/phishing code, XSS attacks etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354513 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? Yeap, I've developped my own client side validation system. At thet time CFFORM did not allow for messages other than in English. I use a home made attribute in any INPUT field, ie: INPUT CLASS=stdObl VALIDATE=Courriel;notnull();email() TYPE=text NAME=orgEmail VALUE=#getitem.orgEmail# SIZE=70 MAXLENGTH=150 in VALIDATE=Courriel;notnull();email() Courriel is the title of the field; notnull() means that the field is mandatory; and email() means the content of the field must be a valid email. I have more than 20 validation schemes, including comparison with another field value and uniquenesse of a value implying an Ajax request in the database, etc. But the most interesting thing is that I can add whatever I need whenever I need it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354514 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Care to share? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM, wrote: Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? Yeap, I've developped my own client side validation system. At thet time CFFORM did not allow for messages other than in English. I use a home made attribute in any INPUT field, ie: INPUT CLASS=stdObl VALIDATE=Courriel;notnull();email() TYPE=text NAME=orgEmail VALUE=#getitem.orgEmail# SIZE=70 MAXLENGTH=150 in VALIDATE=Courriel;notnull();email() Courriel is the title of the field; notnull() means that the field is mandatory; and email() means the content of the field must be a valid email. I have more than 20 validation schemes, including comparison with another field value and uniquenesse of a value implying an Ajax request in the database, etc. But the most interesting thing is that I can add whatever I need whenever I need it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354516 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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try qforms http://pengoworks.com/index.cfm?action=get:qforms On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Care to share? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM, wrote: Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? Yeap, I've developped my own client side validation system. At thet time CFFORM did not allow for messages other than in English. I use a home made attribute in any INPUT field, ie: INPUT CLASS=stdObl VALIDATE=Courriel;notnull();email() TYPE=text NAME=orgEmail VALUE=#getitem.orgEmail# SIZE=70 MAXLENGTH=150 in VALIDATE=Courriel;notnull();email() Courriel is the title of the field; notnull() means that the field is mandatory; and email() means the content of the field must be a valid email. I have more than 20 validation schemes, including comparison with another field value and uniquenesse of a value implying an Ajax request in the database, etc. But the most interesting thing is that I can add whatever I need whenever I need it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354517 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Care to share? To share no, but to document, yes. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Thanx Russ, Much appreciated. G! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: try qforms http://pengoworks.com/index.cfm?action=get:qforms On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Care to share? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM, wrote: Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? Yeap, I've developped my own client side validation system. At thet time CFFORM did not allow for messages other than in English. I use a home made attribute in any INPUT field, ie: INPUT CLASS=stdObl VALIDATE=Courriel;notnull();email() TYPE=text NAME=orgEmail VALUE=#getitem.orgEmail# SIZE=70 MAXLENGTH=150 in VALIDATE=Courriel;notnull();email() Courriel is the title of the field; notnull() means that the field is mandatory; and email() means the content of the field must be a valid email. I have more than 20 validation schemes, including comparison with another field value and uniquenesse of a value implying an Ajax request in the database, etc. But the most interesting thing is that I can add whatever I need whenever I need it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354522 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: try qforms http://pengoworks.com/index.cfm?action=get:qforms Have used qforms here, too, for quite some time and with success. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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If you use jQuery, this plug-in is great and even hosted on MS CDN. http://bassistance.de/jquery-plugins/jquery-plugin-validation/ On 2/14/2013 9:10 AM, John M Bliss wrote: +1 to Gerald's question. Post-cfform, I used Adobe Spry which was pretty good. Nowadays, I'd like to use a JQuery plugin / lib (as opposed to rolling my own JQuery), but have not ID'd one yet. Anyone have a favorite? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? CFForm is pretty freakin exhaustive. I looked in earnest (within the last year or two) to find a replacement and have not seen anything that would come close to the completeness of datatypes it validates against. Any suggestions for a client side validation replacement? I am not a particularly big fan of pop up boxes nor CFForm itself, but it *is* a huge time saver in a crunch time. G! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: just to break it down a bit further. People that know JS and use Jquery a lot generally wont bother using CFFOREM and CF's built in ajax stuff as they know they can do it much better themselves. The stuff built into CF is great for quick and dirty solutions if your a beginner or want to knock something out quick and not too concerned about how its done. There are however some plusses and minuses on each side. The code CF generates to do cf form validation for example is rather clunky and repetitive (not good code reuse), however it is only generating the code you need so in the grand scale, quite small, but does rely on the existence of the CFIDE folder. Using JQuery or similar would result in better code, and you could have the same set of code handle server side validation and client side (via ajax) and you don;t rely on CF or the CFIDE, but there will be much more code as you have the JQuery library to include for a start, so this may be overkill if your needs are simply and add unnecessary bloat and loading time to your page. A lot of people STILL do not even consider server side validation, which allows haxors to bypass all your client side validation by disabling JS and potentially hacking your forms, injecting malware/phishing code, XSS attacks etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354526 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
