Regular expression help

[John Munyan]

Hi, I have an url such as
http://www.blah.com/something/somethingelse/default.cfm stored in a
database. I wish to use this information as links to others site which
have similar reviews.   I would like to parse down the full url to on
the domain i.e. http://www.blah.com   - for
display purposes.  I have searched around trying to find an example and
have been unsuccessful.  Does anyone have any pointers to how to parse
the domain out of the url?  The nearest I have found is
#REReplace(getsimilarlinks.linkurl,"\?.*$","")#.  

 

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MX Web Services with JavaScript

[Jim Davis]

This is a little desperate (I've scoured Google with no luck) but I'd really
like a JavaScript solution to consuming MX web services in IE 6.x.

I've tried the webservice.htc behavior which works WONDERFULLY with most
services but can't seem to deal at all with MX services (versions 6 or 7).
Something about the WSDL's being a little off from what it likes to see.

Any nifty solutions hiding out there?

Please... SAVE ME FROM MANUALLY PARSING WEB SERVICE RESULTS!

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RE: Regular expression help

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: John Munyan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:03 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Regular expression help
> 
> Hi, I have an url such as
> http://www.blah.com/something/somethingelse/default.cfm stored in a
> database. I wish to use this information as links to others site which
> have similar reviews.   I would like to parse down the full url to on
> the domain i.e. http://www.blah.com   - for
> display purposes.  I have searched around trying to find an example and
> have been unsuccessful.  Does anyone have any pointers to how to parse
> the domain out of the url?  The nearest I have found is
> #REReplace(getsimilarlinks.linkurl,"\?.*$","")#.

If all of your links are fully formed like that you don't need regexs at all
- just treat the URL as a list delimited by a forward slash ("/").

Since CF condenses multiple delimiters I think this will give you your URL:

http://www.blah.com/something/somethingelse/default.cfm " />



Using the ListGetAt() for the first part (the protocol) is important to
catch none http links like "https:" and "ftp:".

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Re: Architecture thoughts

[Thomas Chiverton]

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 18:32, Dawson, Michael wrote:
> We are currently working on a small project to test AJAX feasibility for
> us.  We found that it is a great deal of work compared to simple page

I've got a simple wrapper JS function that goes around the Sarissa crosbrowser 
xmlHttpRequest, and allows me to say
xmlDoc=makeRequest('getUserDetails','userid=32');
This is translated inside makeRequest into a HTTP form post.

The wrapper handles all the client-side error reporting and traps.
The wrapper calls a single server-side .cfm page,which basically acts as a 
fusebox/switch, and returns empty strong or an xml doc. Errors are trapped 
and logged, as well as passed back to the client for display.

This makes it very, very easy, and fast.
I'm hopefully going to get a chance to write up some details in my blog today.

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Re: COM problems

[Thomas Chiverton]

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 18:03, Peter Shaw wrote:
> Thanks Tom,

I'm stumped now.
Unless you know enough ASP or something to try it 'native' ?

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Cfhttp vs web services

[Russ Michaels]

I recently  had an interesting question from  one of our developers that I
had a hard time answering.

Had had an app that required web services, but it was written in CF5, so
rather than move to CFMX, he just wrote a bunch of pages that could have
forms posted to them, with the commands in the form fields. Then accessed
this from elsewhere using CFHTTP.

He then said, what is the difference between doing this and using web
services, what would the web services allow him to do that he had not done
with this solution. And to be honest I really can't think of a good reason
why he should have used CFMX web services instead, as this does produce the
same result and can be used form any of the other platforms. Whereas if we
had used a CFMX web service, I know we likley would have had problems with
SOAP requests.

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CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Jeff Gombala]

Say you create a PDF with either  or ActivePDF and then say you 
want to attach that PDF to an email without saving the PDF to disk. I have 
been trying to accomplish this to no avail. I can't imagine that this isn't 
a function of CFMX or wasn't included in the CFMX 7 update.

I can easily create the PDF, base64 it... but that is about as far as I get. 
As far as I can tell there is no way to embed the encoded PDF as a MIME type 
application/pdf. I imagine I can write my own .cfmail file using  
and drop it into the Spool directory, however from the looks of it the 
..cfmail files aren't exactly RFC2822 compliant nor can I find any 
documentation on this file. Maybe I have to use another SMTP program... 
maybe I have to use JavaMail directly... or maybe I just missed the boat 
here... I am open to any and all suggestions (besides writing the file to 
disk)

Just to clarify, it would be extremely inefficient to save the PDF to disk, 
attach it and then delete it. 

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RE: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Paul Vernon]

Have you used cfmailparam ??? And turned off the spooling for that mail. If
you delete a file before cfmail completes then the attachments may not get
attached

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Measuring URL response times

[Karl Simanonok]

I'd like to be able to measure the response times of thousands of various 
URLs I have in a database.  This is one way:












Ping time: #TimeDiff# Milliseconds!



The PROBLEM with this method is that the ColdFusion time functions only 
allow resolution to the nearest second, so I get results like 0, 1000, 
2000, 3000 etc., a very crude measurement when what I really want is 
response time in milliseconds.


Here is another way to to potentially solve the problem, from 
http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1090810&page=3:













#ip#


 SUCCESS

 -failed-

 unknown



The PROBLEM with this second method is that it's got to be horribly 
inefficient to repeatedly call Ping.exe with CFEXECUTE (and wait for four 
replies), write a file, then read the file.  On top of it the output has to 
be parsed up to get the final number of milliseconds that I really 
want.  While this method could probably be made considerably more efficient 
by skipping the file-writing and file-reading steps and just parsing the 
output from CFEXECUTE, it's still ugly and kludgy to repeatedly call 
Ping.exe this way, I'd sooner just get my results to the nearest second 
with the first method.

1) I'd very much like to be able to use CF by itself if possible; is there 
any known way to use CF to get the time difference between two time hacks 
in milliseconds?

2) Secondly, because CF is limited in the number of simultaneous threads it 
can handle (I'm using CF 5 although I could use MX 6 if I really had to), 
what happens if thousands of CFHTTP requests are made this way very 
quickly?  Does CF just stop and wait until there are threads available or 
could so many CFHTTP requests lock up the server this app would be running 
on?  I suppose I could throttle down the request rate if I had to, there 
isn't any reason why thousands of CFHTTP requests have to be made all in 
one batch.  So I guess this question boils down to: what would be the 
maximum number of CFHTTP requests that I should burden the server with at 
any one time?  It's a CrystalTech dedicated server, a 1.8 GHz single Intel 
CPU machine running Windows 2003 Server and CF 5.0 with about half a gig of 
RAM, and it can be devoted to this task if need be, so interference with 
other applications isn't a factor.

3) Finally, CFHTTP if successful will return all the code from the URL 
called, unlike Ping.exe.  I like this fact because it will give me a truer 
response time for each URL in my database, but all I actually need is the 
response time in milliseconds.  Is all the data returned going to fill up 
RAM on the server or worse go to disk cache, or can I somehow tell CF to 
discard it immediately?

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Re: Estimated Freight

[Will Tomlinson]

> Will, can you get a developer's key without all the hassle of creating 
> an account, giving a credit card number, etc... ? 

To be honest, I can't remember exactly if I had to give a CC #. I don't *think* 
I did, but it was a while back. 

I doubt you do but please correct me if I'm wrong on this. 

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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Jeff Gombala]

>Have you used cfmailparam ??? And turned off the spooling for that mail. If
>you delete a file before cfmail completes then the attachments may not get
>attached
>
>Paul

I am not attaching a file that is physically located on the server, the binary 
data exists only as a variable.  I then encode the binary data as base64 but I 
need a way to place that encoded data in an email as an email part.  As far as 
I can tell the ,  or  tags in CFMX 7 can not 
handle this.  The only solution I can think of is to write my own .cfmail file 
and drop it in the Spool dir OR write my own RFC compliant email message and 
drop it into another SMTP program.  Has any one attempted to do this...

Paul, I am aware of your solution, however that will only work if I create a 
temp file for every PDF that is generated.  I am looking for a more elegant 
advanced solution than simply creating a temp PDF file, attaching it and then 
deleting it.

Jeff

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RE: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Paul Vernon]

To clarify,

I think you will HAVE to do it from a file... Then delete the file after the
mail is sent. To do that turn of the spooling part in the cfmail tag and
attach using cfmailparam. Then after the cfmail is done, delete the temp
file...

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RE: Measuring URL response times

[Dave.Phillips]

Can you use the datepart function?  I haven't thought of it much, but wasn't 
sure if you are aware of it.  You can use 'l' (lower case L) as the datepart to 
get milliseconds.  Maybe that will help.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Karl Simanonok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Measuring URL response times


I'd like to be able to measure the response times of thousands of various 
URLs I have in a database.  This is one way:












Ping time: #TimeDiff# Milliseconds!



The PROBLEM with this method is that the ColdFusion time functions only 
allow resolution to the nearest second, so I get results like 0, 1000, 
2000, 3000 etc., a very crude measurement when what I really want is 
response time in milliseconds.


Here is another way to to potentially solve the problem, from 
http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1090810&page=3:













#ip#


 SUCCESS

 -failed-

 unknown



The PROBLEM with this second method is that it's got to be horribly 
inefficient to repeatedly call Ping.exe with CFEXECUTE (and wait for four 
replies), write a file, then read the file.  On top of it the output has to 
be parsed up to get the final number of milliseconds that I really 
want.  While this method could probably be made considerably more efficient 
by skipping the file-writing and file-reading steps and just parsing the 
output from CFEXECUTE, it's still ugly and kludgy to repeatedly call 
Ping.exe this way, I'd sooner just get my results to the nearest second 
with the first method.

1) I'd very much like to be able to use CF by itself if possible; is there 
any known way to use CF to get the time difference between two time hacks 
in milliseconds?

2) Secondly, because CF is limited in the number of simultaneous threads it 
can handle (I'm using CF 5 although I could use MX 6 if I really had to), 
what happens if thousands of CFHTTP requests are made this way very 
quickly?  Does CF just stop and wait until there are threads available or 
could so many CFHTTP requests lock up the server this app would be running 
on?  I suppose I could throttle down the request rate if I had to, there 
isn't any reason why thousands of CFHTTP requests have to be made all in 
one batch.  So I guess this question boils down to: what would be the 
maximum number of CFHTTP requests that I should burden the server with at 
any one time?  It's a CrystalTech dedicated server, a 1.8 GHz single Intel 
CPU machine running Windows 2003 Server and CF 5.0 with about half a gig of 
RAM, and it can be devoted to this task if need be, so interference with 
other applications isn't a factor.

3) Finally, CFHTTP if successful will return all the code from the URL 
called, unlike Ping.exe.  I like this fact because it will give me a truer 
response time for each URL in my database, but all I actually need is the 
response time in milliseconds.  Is all the data returned going to fill up 
RAM on the server or worse go to disk cache, or can I somehow tell CF to 
discard it immediately?

Regards,

Karl Simanonok



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RE: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Paul Vernon]

Looks like our mails are crossing in the ether

I know what I'm suggesting isn't elegant but AFAIK, with CFMX and above that
is just *how it is*. Creating an rfc mail and then sending it to the SMTP
server directly is possible I guess but you will need a bit of work to do
that...

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Re: Measuring URL response times

[JediHomer]

getTickCount() should give you a timestamp in milliseconds


HTH


On 10/08/05, Karl Simanonok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to be able to measure the response times of thousands of various
> URLs I have in a database.  This is one way:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  METHOD="GET"
> resolveURL="1"
> throwOnError="YES">
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ping time: #TimeDiff# Milliseconds!
> 
> 
> 
> The PROBLEM with this method is that the ColdFusion time functions only
> allow resolution to the nearest second, so I get results like 0, 1000,
> 2000, 3000 etc., a very crude measurement when what I really want is
> response time in milliseconds.
> 
> 
> Here is another way to to potentially solve the problem, from
> http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1090810&page=3:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  timeout="5" outputfile="#dir##filename#">
> 
> 
> 
> #ip#
> 
> 
>  SUCCESS
> 
>  -failed-
> 
>  unknown
> 
> 
> 
> The PROBLEM with this second method is that it's got to be horribly
> inefficient to repeatedly call Ping.exe with CFEXECUTE (and wait for four
> replies), write a file, then read the file.  On top of it the output has to
> be parsed up to get the final number of milliseconds that I really
> want.  While this method could probably be made considerably more efficient
> by skipping the file-writing and file-reading steps and just parsing the
> output from CFEXECUTE, it's still ugly and kludgy to repeatedly call
> Ping.exe this way, I'd sooner just get my results to the nearest second
> with the first method.
> 
> 1) I'd very much like to be able to use CF by itself if possible; is there
> any known way to use CF to get the time difference between two time hacks
> in milliseconds?
> 
> 2) Secondly, because CF is limited in the number of simultaneous threads it
> can handle (I'm using CF 5 although I could use MX 6 if I really had to),
> what happens if thousands of CFHTTP requests are made this way very
> quickly?  Does CF just stop and wait until there are threads available or
> could so many CFHTTP requests lock up the server this app would be running
> on?  I suppose I could throttle down the request rate if I had to, there
> isn't any reason why thousands of CFHTTP requests have to be made all in
> one batch.  So I guess this question boils down to: what would be the
> maximum number of CFHTTP requests that I should burden the server with at
> any one time?  It's a CrystalTech dedicated server, a 1.8 GHz single Intel
> CPU machine running Windows 2003 Server and CF 5.0 with about half a gig of
> RAM, and it can be devoted to this task if need be, so interference with
> other applications isn't a factor.
> 
> 3) Finally, CFHTTP if successful will return all the code from the URL
> called, unlike Ping.exe.  I like this fact because it will give me a truer
> response time for each URL in my database, but all I actually need is the
> response time in milliseconds.  Is all the data returned going to fill up
> RAM on the server or worse go to disk cache, or can I somehow tell CF to
> discard it immediately?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Karl Simanonok
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Cfhttp vs web services

[Matthew Small]

There's really not much difference at all, other than the resulting output
is not XML unless he made it that way. A web service is just passing one
string of information to a form and getting back one string with all of the
resulting information.  I used to do this with WDDX in CF 4.5 when I needed
to have my local intranet speak to my remote host on a nightly basis.

 
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-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Cfhttp vs web services

I recently  had an interesting question from  one of our developers that I
had a hard time answering.

Had had an app that required web services, but it was written in CF5, so
rather than move to CFMX, he just wrote a bunch of pages that could have
forms posted to them, with the commands in the form fields. Then accessed
this from elsewhere using CFHTTP.

He then said, what is the difference between doing this and using web
services, what would the web services allow him to do that he had not done
with this solution. And to be honest I really can't think of a good reason
why he should have used CFMX web services instead, as this does produce the
same result and can be used form any of the other platforms. Whereas if we
had used a CFMX web service, I know we likley would have had problems with
SOAP requests.

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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Will Tomlinson]

I thought a mail attachment *HAD* to come from a file in a directory on the 
server. 
I usually drop it in a temp directory, then clean it up after cfmail runs. 

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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Jeff Gombala]

>I thought a mail attachment *HAD* to come from a file in a directory on the 
>server. 
>I usually drop it in a temp directory, then clean it up after cfmail runs. 
>
>Will

The only reason it *HAS* to come from a file is so the mail.jar (or whatever 
.jar or process that does the mail processing) can create the correct mail 
boundary part(s).  If you are curious as to what I am talking about, send 
yourself an email with an attachment and then look at both the .cfmail file in 
the Spool dir and the email message source in your client.

The  tag is halfway there, it will let you define the mail part as 
"application/pdf" however it won't let you specify that the contents of that 
part are encoded via base64 (a necessary step so the mail client knows how to 
interpret that mail part as a valid attachment)

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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Will Tomlinson]

sorry, this is just over my head.  :)

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Joshua Cyr]

Hi Ray,

Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...  

No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are
not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a
partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing model to
better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our
partners.

If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than
making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.

David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.

Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you
for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.

Best,

Joshua Cyr
www.besavvy.com 

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS

They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were
pretty expensive.

Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit
price?

Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): 
http://www.mamboserver.com/

Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real world",
since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...

Ray



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> www.besavvy.com
> 
> Russ
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
> 
> I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF 
> for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
> 
> Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> David Adams
> Ottawa Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Ken Ferguson]

"... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."

WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost 
$14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds 
to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help 
correct those prices downward!

--Ferg


Joshua Cyr wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...  
>
>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are
>not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a
>partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing model to
>better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our
>partners.
>
>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than
>making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>
>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>
>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you
>for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Joshua Cyr
>www.besavvy.com 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>
>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were
>pretty expensive.
>
>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit
>price?
>
>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): 
>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>
>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real world",
>since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>Russ Michaels wrote:
>  
>
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF 
>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>
>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? 
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>David Adams
>>Ottawa Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Measuring URL response times

[Dave Watts]

> I'd like to be able to measure the response times of 
> thousands of various URLs I have in a database. This 
> is one way:
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
>  METHOD="GET"
>   resolveURL="1"
>   throwOnError="YES">
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   Ping time: #TimeDiff# Milliseconds!
> 
> 
> 
> The PROBLEM with this method is that the ColdFusion time 
> functions only allow resolution to the nearest second, so 
> I get results like 0, 1000, 2000, 3000 etc., a very crude 
> measurement when what I really want is response time in 
> milliseconds.

As JediHomer mentioned, you can use GetTickCount for this. You would need to
run it immediately before and after the CFHTTP:





However, I wouldn't recommend that you use CFHTTP - or CF at all - for this.
Instead, you'd be better off using some asynchronous process outside of CF
for this.

> Here is another way to to potentially solve the problem ...
> ...
> The PROBLEM with this second method is that it's got to be 
> horribly inefficient to repeatedly call Ping.exe with CFEXECUTE 
> (and wait for four replies), write a file, then read the file.

There's a bigger problem in my opinion - it doesn't tell you anything about
HTTP response times, or even whether a web server is running. ICMP isn't
HTTP. You may ping the IP address of a web server, and that web server may
not accept ICMP requests, so the ping would fail. Alternatively, you could
ping a machine that isn't even running a web server.

But again, if you were going to take this approach, I'd recommend that you
do most if not all the work somewhere other than CF. You could write a
program that takes a list of IP addresses or DNS names, pings each, parses
the results, and writes them to a file. From CF, all you'd have to do is
launch that program and provide it with the address list. This kind of thing
is pretty simple using a shell script or batch file, I think.

> 2) Secondly, because CF is limited in the number of 
> simultaneous threads it can handle (I'm using CF 5 although 
> I could use MX 6 if I really had to), what happens if 
> thousands of CFHTTP requests are made this way very quickly?  
> Does CF just stop and wait until there are threads available 
> or could so many CFHTTP requests lock up the server this app 
> would be running on? I suppose I could throttle down the 
> request rate if I had to, there isn't any reason why thousands 
> of CFHTTP requests have to be made all in one batch. So I guess 
> this question boils down to: what would be the maximum number 
> of CFHTTP requests that I should burden the server with at 
> any one time?

I'm not sure, but I believe that all the CFHTTP requests will be processed
synchronously, one after the other, by the same thread that's processing the
page. So you wouldn't use additional threads, but it would take a long time
for that request to complete.

> 3) Finally, CFHTTP if successful will return all the code 
> from the URL called, unlike Ping.exe. I like this fact 
> because it will give me a truer response time for each URL 
> in my database, but all I actually need is the response time 
> in milliseconds. Is all the data returned going to fill up 
> RAM on the server or worse go to disk cache, or can I somehow 
> tell CF to discard it immediately?

Each CFHTTP tag you run will overwrite the results of the previous CFHTTP
within that page. I don't know if the underlying memory management uses the
same memory for each one, but I would assume so. You could easily test this,
however, by looping over a set on an unused server, and seeing if memory
continues to increase while the request is running.

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RE: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Steve Brownlee]

If you're going to use the CFMAIL tag, you have to write attachments to disk.
There is no way around it, and I've tried MANY different ways to get around
it.  In the end, we had to end up using a hand rolled Java-based mail proxy
service.  Bye bye CFMAIL.  Let me reiterate your astonishment at finding out
that you can't attach data to an email without first writing it to disk.
When I discovered this limitation of CFMX, I was stunned (yes I do consider
it a limitation).

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Gombala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:33 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)
> 
> Say you create a PDF with either  or ActivePDF 
> and then say you want to attach that PDF to an email without 
> saving the PDF to disk. I have been trying to accomplish this 
> to no avail. I can't imagine that this isn't a function of 
> CFMX or wasn't included in the CFMX 7 update.
> 
> I can easily create the PDF, base64 it... but that is about 
> as far as I get. 
> As far as I can tell there is no way to embed the encoded PDF 
> as a MIME type application/pdf. I imagine I can write my own 
> .cfmail file using  and drop it into the Spool 
> directory, however from the looks of it the ..cfmail files 
> aren't exactly RFC2822 compliant nor can I find any 
> documentation on this file. Maybe I have to use another SMTP 
> program... 
> maybe I have to use JavaMail directly... or maybe I just 
> missed the boat here... I am open to any and all suggestions 
> (besides writing the file to
> disk)
> 
> Just to clarify, it would be extremely inefficient to save 
> the PDF to disk, attach it and then delete it. 
> 
> Jeff

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Russ Michaels]

At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5
users u can get it for $1350.
Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a
pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX,
your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I
looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou
according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford.

There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are
awful.
If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue,
then you need to spent time rolling your own.
You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for
coldfusion if you want a free solution.

Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP
options out there as well.

Regards
Russ Michaels



-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS

"... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."

WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
$14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to
me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those
prices downward!

--Ferg


Joshua Cyr wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...  
>
>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those 
>that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign 
>up as a partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing 
>model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better 
>support our partners.
>
>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, 
>than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>
>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>
>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with 
>you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Joshua Cyr
>www.besavvy.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>
>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were 
>pretty expensive.
>
>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) 
>nonprofit price?
>
>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): 
>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>
>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real 
>world", since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>Russ Michaels wrote:
>  
>
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF 
>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>
>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? 
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>David Adams
>>Ottawa Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Will Tomlinson]

Maybe this needs to be relayed to MM as a feature request?

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Mark A Kruger]

Ken,

Unfortunately in the world of CMS - 14k (or 1400) is actually on the low end
of the scale. Many of them charge a per seat fee that reoccurs.

-Mark




-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS


"... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."

WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
$14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds
to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help
correct those prices downward!

--Ferg


Joshua Cyr wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...
>
>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that
are
>not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a
>partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing model to
>better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our
>partners.
>
>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms,
than
>making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>
>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>
>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you
>for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Joshua Cyr
>www.besavvy.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>
>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were
>pretty expensive.
>
>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit
>price?
>
>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php):
>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>
>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real world",
>since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>Russ Michaels wrote:
>
>
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF
>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>
>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>David Adams
>>Ottawa Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Mark A Kruger]

Russ,

That really annoys me - that "call for pricing" model.  It seems morally
reprehensible.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS


At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5
users u can get it for $1350.
Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a
pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX,
your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I
looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou
according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford.

There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are
awful.
If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue,
then you need to spent time rolling your own.
You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for
coldfusion if you want a free solution.

Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP
options out there as well.

Regards
Russ Michaels



-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS

"... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."

WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
$14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to
me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those
prices downward!

--Ferg


Joshua Cyr wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...
>
>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those
>that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign
>up as a partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing
>model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better
>support our partners.
>
>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms,
>than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>
>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>
>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with
>you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Joshua Cyr
>www.besavvy.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>
>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were
>pretty expensive.
>
>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00)
>nonprofit price?
>
>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php):
>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>
>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real
>world", since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>Russ Michaels wrote:
>
>
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF
>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>
>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>David Adams
>>Ottawa Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Ray Champagne]

But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why would one need 
such a crazy expensive solution for editing HTML pages?

Mark A Kruger wrote:
> Ken,
> 
> Unfortunately in the world of CMS - 14k (or 1400) is actually on the low end
> of the scale. Many of them charge a per seat fee that reoccurs.
> 
> -Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
> 
> 
> "... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."
> 
> WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
> $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds
> to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help
> correct those prices downward!
> 
> --Ferg
> 
> 
> Joshua Cyr wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi Ray,
>>
>>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...
>>
>>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that
> 
> are
> 
>>not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a
>>partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing model to
>>better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our
>>partners.
>>
>>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms,
> 
> than
> 
>>making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>>
>>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>>
>>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you
>>for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Joshua Cyr
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were
>>pretty expensive.
>>
>>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit
>>price?
>>
>>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php):
>>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>>
>>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real world",
>>since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>Russ Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>www.besavvy.com
>>>
>>>Russ
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>>
>>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF
>>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>>
>>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>David Adams
>>>Ottawa Ontario
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Well, he has a point - and ultimately here we are talking about CMS on CF
which doesn't have to be the case as say, Mambo is good as are other open
source non cf tools - we just seem blinkered when it comes to using them.

In any case, any CMS will need to be tailored and in business some of the
best ones for a particular business have been created in house.



-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:45
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

Russ,

That really annoys me - that "call for pricing" model.  It seems morally
reprehensible.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS


At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5
users u can get it for $1350.
Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a
pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX,
your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I
looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou
according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford.

There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are
awful.
If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue,
then you need to spent time rolling your own.
You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for
coldfusion if you want a free solution.

Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP
options out there as well.

Regards
Russ Michaels



-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS

"... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."

WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
$14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to
me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those
prices downward!

--Ferg


Joshua Cyr wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...
>
>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those
>that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign
>up as a partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing
>model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better
>support our partners.
>
>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms,
>than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>
>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>
>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with
>you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Joshua Cyr
>www.besavvy.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>
>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were
>pretty expensive.
>
>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00)
>nonprofit price?
>
>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php):
>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>
>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real
>world", since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>Russ Michaels wrote:
>
>
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF
>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>
>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>David Adams
>>Ottawa Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Damien McKenna]

> But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why 
> would one need such a crazy expensive solution for editing
> HTML pages?

Why does Macromedia have a server-side CMS to match it?

-- 
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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Contribute it not a CMS tool nowhere near and is nigh on useless without
using StreetSweeper MX aka DWMX 2004.





-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:47
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS

But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why would one need 
such a crazy expensive solution for editing HTML pages?

Mark A Kruger wrote:
> Ken,
> 
> Unfortunately in the world of CMS - 14k (or 1400) is actually on the low
end
> of the scale. Many of them charge a per seat fee that reoccurs.
> 
> -Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
> 
> 
> "... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."
> 
> WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
> $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds
> to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help
> correct those prices downward!
> 
> --Ferg
> 
> 
> Joshua Cyr wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi Ray,
>>
>>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...
>>
>>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that
> 
> are
> 
>>not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a
>>partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing model to
>>better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our
>>partners.
>>
>>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms,
> 
> than
> 
>>making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>>
>>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>>
>>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you
>>for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Joshua Cyr
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were
>>pretty expensive.
>>
>>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00)
nonprofit
>>price?
>>
>>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php):
>>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>>
>>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real world",
>>since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>Russ Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>www.besavvy.com
>>>
>>>Russ
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>>
>>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF
>>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>>
>>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>David Adams
>>>Ottawa Ontario
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 



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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Well, he has a point - and ultimately here we are talking about CMS on CF
which doesn't have to be the case as say, Mambo is good as are other open
source non cf tools - we just seem blinkered when it comes to using them.

In any case, any CMS will need to be tailored and in business some of the
best ones for a particular business have been created in house.



-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:45
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

Russ,

That really annoys me - that "call for pricing" model.  It seems morally
reprehensible.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS


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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Jeff Gombala]

>If you're going to use the CFMAIL tag, you have to write attachments to disk.
>There is no way around it, and I've tried MANY different ways to get around
>it.  In the end, we had to end up using a hand rolled Java-based mail proxy
>service.  Bye bye CFMAIL.  Let me reiterate your astonishment at finding out
>that you can't attach data to an email without first writing it to disk.
>When I discovered this limitation of CFMX, I was stunned (yes I do consider
>it a limitation).
>
>> Jeff

Steve,  Can you expand on this "hand rolled Java-based mail proxy service"?

I am not limited to using the CFMAIL tag and actually would prefer to use some 
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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Russ Michaels]

Yes I have always hated it. And I generally wont deal with a company that
wont publish prices.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:45
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

Russ,

That really annoys me - that "call for pricing" model.  It seems morally
reprehensible.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS


At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5
users u can get it for $1350.
Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a
pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX,
your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I
looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou
according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford.

There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are
awful.
If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue,
then you need to spent time rolling your own.
You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for
coldfusion if you want a free solution.

Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP
options out there as well.

Regards
Russ Michaels



-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS

"... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."

WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
$14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to
me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those
prices downward!

--Ferg


Joshua Cyr wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...
>
>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those 
>that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign 
>up as a partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing 
>model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better 
>support our partners.
>
>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, 
>than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>
>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>
>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with 
>you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Joshua Cyr
>www.besavvy.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>
>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were 
>pretty expensive.
>
>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) 
>nonprofit price?
>
>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php):
>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>
>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real 
>world", since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>Russ Michaels wrote:
>
>
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF 
>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>
>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>David Adams
>>Ottawa Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Dave Watts]

> > But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why 
> > would one need such a crazy expensive solution for editing
> > HTML pages?
> 
> Why does Macromedia have a server-side CMS to match it?

Macromedia does not have a server-side CMS. Spectra was the last server-side
CMS offered by Macromedia. Contribute does have an optional server-side
component called CPS, but this simply allows a few extra bits of
functionality such as being able to authenticate against an LDAP server, and
logging. It doesn't have anything to do with the content management process,
and is completely optional.

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Don't you love the "thanks for contacting us - a sales muppet will be in
touch soon"



-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

Yes I have always hated it. And I generally wont deal with a company that
wont publish prices.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:45
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

Russ,

That really annoys me - that "call for pricing" model.  It seems morally
reprehensible.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS


At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5
users u can get it for $1350.
Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a
pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX,
your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I
looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou
according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford.

There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are
awful.
If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue,
then you need to spent time rolling your own.
You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for
coldfusion if you want a free solution.

Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP
options out there as well.

Regards
Russ Michaels



-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS

"... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."

WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
$14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to
me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those
prices downward!

--Ferg


Joshua Cyr wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...
>
>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those 
>that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign 
>up as a partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing 
>model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better 
>support our partners.
>
>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, 
>than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>
>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>
>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with 
>you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Joshua Cyr
>www.besavvy.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>
>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were 
>pretty expensive.
>
>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) 
>nonprofit price?
>
>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php):
>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>
>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real 
>world", since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>Russ Michaels wrote:
>
>
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF 
>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>
>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>David Adams
>>Ottawa Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>









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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Dave Watts]

> Contribute it not a CMS tool nowhere near and is nigh on 
> useless without using StreetSweeper MX aka DWMX 2004.

Contribute certainly is a CMS tool. It isn't a server-side CMS application,
but it does provide workflow and approval functionality in a very
easy-to-use interface. As for being useless without Dreamweaver, that's a
bit of a stretch. You typically use Dreamweaver to create templates, library
items and shared assets for Contribute sites, but once that's done, you
don't need Dreamweaver at all, and end-users never need it. We've done
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RE: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

CFMail is just using JavaMail AFAIK.



-Original Message-
From: Jeff Gombala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 14:56
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

>If you're going to use the CFMAIL tag, you have to write attachments to
disk.
>There is no way around it, and I've tried MANY different ways to get around
>it.  In the end, we had to end up using a hand rolled Java-based mail proxy
>service.  Bye bye CFMAIL.  Let me reiterate your astonishment at finding
out
>that you can't attach data to an email without first writing it to disk.
>When I discovered this limitation of CFMX, I was stunned (yes I do consider
>it a limitation).
>
>> Jeff

Steve,  Can you expand on this "hand rolled Java-based mail proxy service"?

I am not limited to using the CFMAIL tag and actually would prefer to use
some other type of service/tag/etc...

Thanks,

Jeff



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Re: Estimated Freight

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> To be honest, I can't remember exactly if I had to give a CC #. I 
> don't *think* I did, but it was a while back. 

Hm, I went through it very quickly, but it seemed like they required you to set 
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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

You still need dreamweaver  (even if it is just for the template creation) -
that is my point.  Without it Contribute is not very effective.



-Original Message-
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Sent: 10 August 2005 15:20
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

> Contribute it not a CMS tool nowhere near and is nigh on 
> useless without using StreetSweeper MX aka DWMX 2004.

Contribute certainly is a CMS tool. It isn't a server-side CMS application,
but it does provide workflow and approval functionality in a very
easy-to-use interface. As for being useless without Dreamweaver, that's a
bit of a stretch. You typically use Dreamweaver to create templates, library
items and shared assets for Contribute sites, but once that's done, you
don't need Dreamweaver at all, and end-users never need it. We've done
several Contribute implementations where we designed those assets for our
clients using Dreamweaver, and they didn't need to use Dreamweaver at all.

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Dave Watts]

> That really annoys me - that "call for pricing" model.  It 
> seems morally reprehensible.

For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed
prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different
products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for
Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them.
Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex
pricing schemes.

As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to
pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible
pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell.

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RE: Cfhttp vs web services

[RADEMAKERS Tanguy]

Russ,

You have to compare apples with apples: not all web services work the
same way. CFMX web services built using cfcomponents with
access="remote" are "heavy duty" web services that use SOAP to pass
messages, publish a WSDL file to document their interface and check
things like parameter datatypes. All this stuff is a pain to do by hand,
but once again cf comes to the rescue and makes something complex very
easy for 80+% of cases. If your developer had had to do all these things
by hand in CF5 then the answer to "what do you gain" would most probably
be "time". 

Having said that, there's a lot of discussion out there about how SOAP
based web services may well be overly complex for most simple uses -
especially in cases like yours where you are both the publisher and the
consumer of a web service, or in cases when you have a small number of
simple in parameters. Now if you were publishing a web service that had
to be consumed by another team (maybe even in another time zone) using a
different technology, then SOAP based web services have one great
advantage - tool support. Turn the problem on its head: if you had to
consume a web service produced by somebody else, would you rather use
cfhttp then some kind of parsing on the result, or just use a single
cfinvoke tag? The ability to do the second depends on SOAP based web
services...

just my 0.02$

/t

>-Original Message-
>Subject: Cfhttp vs web services
>From: "Russ Michaels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:15:07 +0100
>Thread: 
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages
>&threadid=41634&forumid=4#214306
>
>I recently  had an interesting question from  one of our 
>developers that I
>had a hard time answering.
>
>Had had an app that required web services, but it was written 
>in CF5, so
>rather than move to CFMX, he just wrote a bunch of pages that 
>could have
>forms posted to them, with the commands in the form fields. 
>Then accessed
>this from elsewhere using CFHTTP.
>
>He then said, what is the difference between doing this and using web
>services, what would the web services allow him to do that he 
>had not done
>with this solution. And to be honest I really can't think of a 
>good reason
>why he should have used CFMX web services instead, as this 
>does produce the
>same result and can be used form any of the other platforms. 
>Whereas if we
>had used a CFMX web service, I know we likley would have had 
>problems with
>SOAP requests.
>
>russ

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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Ken Ferguson]

Well, that's exactly what I meant by needing competition to help... It's 
not like these are difficult apps to create. Hell, from what I can tell, 
there aren't even that many features in the one that started all of this 
talk.

--Ferg

Mark A Kruger wrote:

>Ken,
>
>Unfortunately in the world of CMS - 14k (or 1400) is actually on the low end
>of the scale. Many of them charge a per seat fee that reoccurs.
>
>-Mark
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:23 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>
>
>"... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ..."
>
>WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost
>$14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds
>to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help
>correct those prices downward!
>
>--Ferg
>
>
>Joshua Cyr wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Ray,
>>
>>Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify...
>>
>>No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that
>>
>>
>are
>  
>
>>not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a
>>partner and get the partner discounts.  We changed our pricing model to
>>better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our
>>partners.
>>
>>If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms,
>>
>>
>than
>  
>
>>making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go.
>>
>>David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you.
>>
>>Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you
>>for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Joshua Cyr
>>www.besavvy.com
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
>>
>>They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were
>>pretty expensive.
>>
>>Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit
>>price?
>>
>>Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php):
>>http://www.mamboserver.com/
>>
>>Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the "real world",
>>since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money...
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>Russ Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>www.besavvy.com
>>>
>>>Russ
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
>>>
>>>I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF
>>>for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
>>>
>>>Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>David Adams
>>>Ottawa Ontario
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it
is all based on being called by a sales gimp.



-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 15:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

> That really annoys me - that "call for pricing" model.  It 
> seems morally reprehensible.

For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed
prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different
products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for
Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them.
Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex
pricing schemes.

As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to
pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible
pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell.

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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Douglas Knudsen]

if you want to add data inline no need to write to disk.  I know this
is possible with images and swfs even I think, you know, for HTML
email.  I don't know if you can put a PDF inline though.

DK

On 8/10/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CFMail is just using JavaMail AFAIK.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Gombala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 10 August 2005 14:56
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)
> 
> >If you're going to use the CFMAIL tag, you have to write attachments to
> disk.
> >There is no way around it, and I've tried MANY different ways to get around
> >it.  In the end, we had to end up using a hand rolled Java-based mail proxy
> >service.  Bye bye CFMAIL.  Let me reiterate your astonishment at finding
> out
> >that you can't attach data to an email without first writing it to disk.
> >When I discovered this limitation of CFMX, I was stunned (yes I do consider
> >it a limitation).
> >
> >> Jeff
> 
> Steve,  Can you expand on this "hand rolled Java-based mail proxy service"?
> 
> I am not limited to using the CFMAIL tag and actually would prefer to use
> some other type of service/tag/etc...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Jeff Gombala]

>if you want to add data inline no need to write to disk.  I know this
>is possible with images and swfs even I think, you know, for HTML
>email.  I don't know if you can put a PDF inline though.
>
>DK
>
>On 8/10/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>

I am aware that CFMX utilize JavaMail, however I don't think macromedia is 
completely leveraging JavaMail.  Has anyone attempted to directly integrate 
with JavaMail?

I am not looking to add the PDF data inline to the email message; I am looking 
to add it as an attachment.

Jeff

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RE: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Hmm, I do know that Paul Hastings (I think it was him) did some digging to
see how deep the integration went when it came to CF and Javamail - I am
sure you could no doubt do this (if Java can).



-Original Message-
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Sent: 10 August 2005 15:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

>if you want to add data inline no need to write to disk.  I know this
>is possible with images and swfs even I think, you know, for HTML
>email.  I don't know if you can put a PDF inline though.
>
>DK
>
>On 8/10/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>

I am aware that CFMX utilize JavaMail, however I don't think macromedia is
completely leveraging JavaMail.  Has anyone attempted to directly integrate
with JavaMail?

I am not looking to add the PDF data inline to the email message; I am
looking to add it as an attachment.

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Dave Watts]

> I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple 
> pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a 
> sales gimp.

This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of
different options.

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subversion and mapped drive

[Stan Winchester]

We have installed Subversion on a development web server. We setup a
repository directly on the server using the Berkeley database, and import a
project with no problems. Then from a local work station we checkout the
repository to a mapped drive on the web server (See below)

Web server:
F:\svnrepository\examplesite\trunk (repository)
F:\tempdir\examplesite (import location)
F:\websites\examplesite\trunk (test directory inside http path)

Local work station:
Z:\examplesite (checkout repository to mapped drive pointing to
“F:\websites\examplesite\trunk”)

We then added tinyMCE to the project and tried to commit it, but it takes
forever or throws errors.

Our local network is a 10/100 Ethernet.

I was wondering if we should checkout the repository to a local drive on
each workstation, and then do an export to a test/deployment directory on
the web server. How do others use subversion with a remote web server? 

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RE: Cfhttp vs web services

[Dawson, Michael]

I agree.  Web Services, to me, are web pages that provide output that is
generally not seen by an individual.

I created a simple application where a CF page queried an ASP page on
our Exchange server.  The ASP page gathered a bunch of mailbox
information for a user, wrapped it up in a simple XML format, then
displayed it on the screen.

My CF page then "scraped" the page using CFHTTP, parsed the XML, then
displayed that information to the user.  It is very fast, it is very
simple (except for the Exchange stuff) and is very stable.

I would consider this a web service.  I saw no need to jump to the level
of SOAP for this project.  But, as Tanguy mentioned, I was the creator
and consumer of both parts.

M!ke 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Cfhttp vs web services

Russ,

You have to compare apples with apples: not all web services work the
same way. CFMX web services built using cfcomponents with
access="remote" are "heavy duty" web services that use SOAP to pass
messages, publish a WSDL file to document their interface and check
things like parameter datatypes. All this stuff is a pain to do by hand,
but once again cf comes to the rescue and makes something complex very
easy for 80+% of cases. If your developer had had to do all these things
by hand in CF5 then the answer to "what do you gain" would most probably
be "time". 

Having said that, there's a lot of discussion out there about how SOAP
based web services may well be overly complex for most simple uses -
especially in cases like yours where you are both the publisher and the
consumer of a web service, or in cases when you have a small number of
simple in parameters. Now if you were publishing a web service that had
to be consumed by another team (maybe even in another time zone) using a
different technology, then SOAP based web services have one great
advantage - tool support. Turn the problem on its head: if you had to
consume a web service produced by somebody else, would you rather use
cfhttp then some kind of parsing on the result, or just use a single
cfinvoke tag? The ability to do the second depends on SOAP based web
services...

just my 0.02$

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

well, it is in the CF CMS market for some reason, in two clicks I managed to
get pricing on Microsoft CMS tool (which we use in some areas).  

I am sure that a lot of sales are lost due to the sales calls nonsense.






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Sent: 10 August 2005 15:47
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

> I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple 
> pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a 
> sales gimp.

This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of
different options.

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RE: subversion and mapped drive

[Damien McKenna]

Use svn://hostname/ connections to the server, they're exceedingly fast
even on a 10mbit connection (our network is mostly 100mbit but I'm still
on the old 10mbit switch).  Then just configure the repository\conf\*
files to suit and once you have them working correctly simply copy them
to each repository you have.

Keep your working copy on your local machine, otherwise you're
needlessly increasing the amount of network traffic.

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Re: OT: XSL and XML namespaces

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Thanks for the suggestion Barney... no, when you specify "text" as the
output method it doesn't return any of the tags (or attributes) and it
doesn't escape the text. I'll have to find another solution.

> Probably not, since that's a non-canonical form.  If
> you're XSL is
> already assigning the namespace to the attribute and the
> generated
> output is missing it, I think you're stuck.

> Actually, now that I think about it, you might try
> declaring that your
> stylesheet is generating text, rather than XML (see
> xsl:output).  That
> should prevent canonicalization from happening.


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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Ray Champagne]

Yea, nobody, especially geeks, like to talk to people on the phone.  :) 
I *really* don't want to talk to pushy salespeople on the phone.

I'm not asking for concrete numbers, just give me a range, a high, a 
low, whatever.  If I can't afford it, or it's not going to fit into my 
client's budget, then I shouldn't have to be beat about the face, 
breast, chest, neck, and head for 15 minutes by a salesperson.  If it 
does seem viable, then I'll call or fill out your contact form, etc. 
Has anyone been shopping for a $500 CMS solution and really been talked 
into a $14K solution?

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> well, it is in the CF CMS market for some reason, in two clicks I managed to
> get pricing on Microsoft CMS tool (which we use in some areas).  
> 
> I am sure that a lot of sales are lost due to the sales calls nonsense.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 10 August 2005 15:47
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS
> 
> 
>>I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple 
>>pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a 
>>sales gimp.
> 
> 
> This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of
> different options.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> 
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized 
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, 
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. 
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Jochem van Dieten]

Douglas Knudsen wrote:
> if you want to add data inline no need to write to disk.  I know this
> is possible with images and swfs even I think, you know, for HTML
> email.  I don't know if you can put a PDF inline though.

Yes you can. Whether a recipient will see it inline or as an 
attachment is up to its MUA, but the RFCs do not discriminate 
filetypes.

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Change the CF JWS root directory?

[Loathe]

I am sure it's a simple setting somewhere in an XML file, can someone 
point me in the right direction?

CF 7 btw.

Thanks,

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Re: subversion and mapped drive

[Stan Winchester]

So you edit files on a local system, and then push the files out to the web 
server?

>Use svn://hostname/ connections to the server, they're exceedingly fast
>even on a 10mbit connection (our network is mostly 100mbit but I'm still
>on the old 10mbit switch).  Then just configure the repository\conf\*
>files to suit and once you have them working correctly simply copy them
>to each repository you have.
>
>Keep your working copy on your local machine, otherwise you're
>needlessly increasing the amount of network traffic.
>
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RE: subversion and mapped drive

[Damien McKenna]

> So you edit files on a local system, and then push the files 
> out to the web server?

Yeppers.  That way everyone's working on their own separate files.

Also, I've got each project with a /trunk/ which is the primary
development line and branches in /branches/*, and I keep a checkout of
the complete repository on my machine so I can easily jump between
branches without having to do any fiddling in Subversion.

Lastly, you really don't want your entire team developing from the one
set of working files, they'll be constantly stepping on each other's
toes and defeating the purpose of having a revision management system
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Re: FTP and file permissions

[Scott Brady]

On 8/9/05, Jim Davis  wrote:
> You're not running the CF task via CFEXECUTE, you're running a DOS Batch
> file which would use the Windows command line FTP program to do the actual
> FTP work.
> 
> You'd be taking CF out of the loop when it comes to FTP.  CF would just be
> launching the process and reaping the spoils but not doing any of the actual
> work.  Just like any good manager.  ;^)

Interesting.  We'd have to adjust the timing, of course, because CF
would still need to process the ftp-ed file, but that might just work.

I'll present that as an option for us to test.

Thanks!

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Migrating to CFMX (7) from CF 5

[Matthew Friedman]

We are about to start migrating an application build on CF 5.

I have read everything and have a clear plan of attack, but I do have a
question.

We had to set our CFserver service running under a specific log in profile
since we had to be able to push content to multiple servers over our
internal network and we needed to map specific drives.

Would I do the same for the MX installation since it is not a application
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Re: Estimated Freight

[HOFLee _]

> I doubt you do but please correct me if I'm wrong on this. 

I would be happy to be proven wrong, but from what I can see it is required.  
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problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Gabriel Bulfon]

Anybody have this problem? I tried to display web services wsdl file
from ie. I don't see anything.

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Re: CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)

[Paul Hastings]

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> Hmm, I do know that Paul Hastings (I think it was him) did some digging to
> see how deep the integration went when it came to CF and Javamail - I am
> sure you could no doubt do this (if Java can).

yes, i've been neck deep in javamail for a couple of months now. if you 
can turn the whole thing (mail & attachment) into an inputstream 
(java.IO) you can stuff that all into a mime message in a single go. or 
i guess if you can wrap it in a datasource (activation.DataSource) you 
can attach it to a message w/out writing out to a file first. probably 
other ways to skin this cat, but in any case, i think it's probably 
doable. get the javamail d/l, bunch of pretty good java demos in that.

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RE: subversion and mapped drive

[Ewok]

Why are you using mapped drives? I take it you don't have TortoiseSVN or the
SubClipse plugin for Eclipse on your workstations? Or is your repository on
a different server than your web server?

Here's what I have locally.

Subversion is running on the dev server here on my network. All of my
workstations have TortoiseSVN (I couldn’t live without it). When I set up a
new project, I add it to my repo and check it out to a directory on the
server that is in the webroot.

Then I check out another copy to my work station remotely with TortoiseSVN
or SubClipse by browsing to "svn://myserver". (and anyone else that is
working on it checks out their own copy)

I make all of my changes to the copy on my workstation and commit them back
to the repo then "Update" the working dir on the webserver.

It sounds like a lot but it's not, especially with TortoieSVN and/or
Subclipse. 

The commits only go to the repository though so you still need to "Update"
the working copy on the webserver. You can go to the server and do it or you
can write a cfm page to do it for you.

I have a svn.cfm template in the root of all my sites so I can hit the page
and have the servers working copy updated. Here is an example of one...


Svn.cfm
---





My svnupdate.bat file is on the root of C and has only two lines...

Svnupdate.bat
--
@echo off
svn update %1

svn.cfm will print the current revision your project is at as well as a list
of files it updated.

As for moving a project to production, you "Export" a copy from the repo.
Using the export command will strip out a clean copy of the project (no .svn
directories)

A company I do a ton of work for has basically the same setup. I can also
browse their repository from home and checkout projects from there. I was a
little reluctant at first to give up the old reliable FTP but this setup is
great.

Hope that gives some ideas.

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Mark A Kruger]

Dave,
Ok - here's my take

I'm sorry to disagree with you - but the goal of "call for pricing" is not
usually to shield customers from your pricing for their own good. It is to
get someone - some person (some salesperson usually) to talk with you and
make a pitch. I think there is definitely a moral dimension to it in some
cases. I'm NOT making a comment specifically about commonSpot or any other
product - and I do not know your connection with that product, but consider
this scenario.

Customer "A" calls in with a question about the product. He indicates he's
the IT director of a large company and they are looking to replace their
current CMS (let's say red dot) with a new one because they are not happy
with the product - no mention of it's costliness.  The CMS provider being
savvy knows that Red Dot's pricing model is per seat with an installed
enterprise license of 70k. So he or she bids in that neighborhood with per
seat pricing. They maximize the profit margin by targeting the current price
point (even though they may typically sell the product at a much lower
cost - say 40,000).

Customer "B" calls in and they are a small to medium size business with a
portal site that has grown unwieldy.  They are looking to implement CMS for
the first time and they need a product, training, ongoing support etc.  The
sales person senses that budget is an issue so they target a price that is
much lower than for customer "A" even though the actual product offering may
be strikingly similar. Because of the complexity of the product AND the
obscurity in pricing, customer "A" will never know they overpaid.

In my view (and granted I may be the only one) this is not even handed
enough to qualify as "ok" or "right" - sorry. Perhaps my standard is too
high, but I think it's deceptive and wrong.  I don't mind companies who
offer discounts or make deals if they are above board about it, but they
should not obscure the price of for market product just to give themselves
"wiggle room".

The complexity of the product IS a factor in pricing, but there's no reason
not to post a base price sheet for levels and/or modules with the caveat
that some modules and services incur additional cost. Yes, your customers
may get "confused" by your pricing scheme - at which point you could try
simplifying it (there's a thought) or explaining it.  It's not an
intractable problem - just a difficult one.  And the idea of "shielding your
customers from your pricing scheme" because they might get confused is high
handed. It reminds me of that Phil Hartman routine with the caveman - "I'm
just a simple caveman. I don't understand your big words like 'license' and
'module'"

You are right that it is common practice for complex product offerings to
NOT post their prices, but there are certainly very complex product
offerings that DO post their prices (as anyone who has tried to navigate the
complexity of Microsoft licensing can attest).

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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed
prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different
products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for
Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them.
Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex
pricing schemes.

As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to
pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible
pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell.

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RE: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Dave.Phillips]

Can you provide the URL you are using?

Dave

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Subject: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer


Anybody have this problem? I tried to display web services wsdl file
from ie. I don't see anything.

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Re: Change the CF JWS root directory?

[Loathe]

nm

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> I am sure it's a simple setting somewhere in an XML file, can someone 
> point me in the right direction?
> 
> CF 7 btw.
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Re: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Gabriel Bulfon]

it's a localhost url.

http://localhost/cf/XmlHttpRequest/Customers.cfc?wsdl

I can see wsdl with mozilla but not with IE

regards


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> Can you provide the URL you are using?
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Gabriel Bulfon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:09 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer
> 
> 
> Anybody have this problem? I tried to display web services wsdl file
> from ie. I don't see anything.
> 
> I appreciate any help
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
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RE: subversion and mapped drive

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> -Original Message-
> From: Ewok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Why are you using mapped drives? I take it you don't have TortoiseSVN
> or the SubClipse plugin for Eclipse on your workstations?

Ditto on TortoiseSVN, its simply awesome and works great with Directory
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consuming WS from XMLHttpRequest object

[Gabriel Bulfon]

Hi all, how call ColdFusion Web Services directly from XMLHttpRequest instance ?
Using open method (from XMLHttpRequest) to pass ws url. But, how call
WS directly.

In a cfinvoke you can specify method name trought cfinvoke's method
parameter. But, how invoke method when only specify Url?

TIA

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RE: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Dawson, Michael]

Recently, I have not been able to view *any* XML files in IE.  I can't
even view the source of an XML file.  Something changed in IE that broke
it.  I can still view XML in Firefox, however. 

It certainly pisses me off.  It may be your same problem.

M!ke

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Subject: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

Anybody have this problem? I tried to display web services wsdl file
from ie. I don't see anything.

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Fetching a website?

[housi mueller]

I would like to know how to grab a entire website, download and save it to the 
harddisk. Replace all absolute paths into relative paths so that the site can 
be viewed offline.

I would like to write something similar like the program Httrack but in 
ColdFusion. So if someone knows of tutorials, scripts etc.

Any help would be appreciated 

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Re: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Thomas Chiverton]

On Wednesday 10 August 2005 16:08, Gabriel Bulfon wrote:
> Anybody have this problem? I tried to display web services wsdl file
> from ie. I don't see anything.

Even if you view source ?

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Damien McKenna]

> I would like to know how to grab a entire website, download 
> and save it to the harddisk. Replace all absolute paths into 
> relative paths so that the site can be viewed offline.

Cfexecute
wget

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Re: consuming WS from XMLHttpRequest object

[Thomas Chiverton]

On Wednesday 10 August 2005 16:53, Gabriel Bulfon wrote:
> In a cfinvoke you can specify method name trought cfinvoke's method
> parameter. But, how invoke method when only specify Url?

Learn how to write SOAP XML requests, i.e. don't do that.

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Re: Fetching a website?

[Thomas Chiverton]

On Wednesday 10 August 2005 16:58, housi mueller wrote:
> I would like to know how to grab a entire website, download and save it to
> the harddisk. Replace all absolute paths into relative paths so that the
> site can be viewed offline.

 wget with the '-m' mirror option... ?

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RE: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Dave.Phillips]

For both Michael and Gabriel,

You might try clearing your cache (delete all temporary files - tools - options 
- delete files... delete all offline content).

I know that at some point I have quirky things go wrong with IE from time to 
time (like not being able to view source) and when I clear the temp files, 
close IE and re-open, everything works fine.

It's at least a thought.  I've not had any trouble viewing .cfc's in IE 
personally, so it's just something else to try.

Dave

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer


Recently, I have not been able to view *any* XML files in IE.  I can't
even view the source of an XML file.  Something changed in IE that broke
it.  I can still view XML in Firefox, however. 

It certainly pisses me off.  It may be your same problem.

M!ke

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From: Gabriel Bulfon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

Anybody have this problem? I tried to display web services wsdl file
from ie. I don't see anything.

I appreciate any help

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Re: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Gabriel Bulfon]

Thanks M!ke.

I am sure the problem is caused by some component update or some
similar. Any more have the problem? any solution ?

regards


On 8/10/05, Dawson, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently, I have not been able to view *any* XML files in IE.  I can't
> even view the source of an XML file.  Something changed in IE that broke
> it.  I can still view XML in Firefox, however.
> 
> It certainly pisses me off.  It may be your same problem.
> 
> M!ke
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Gabriel Bulfon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:09 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer
> 
> Anybody have this problem? I tried to display web services wsdl file
> from ie. I don't see anything.
> 
> I appreciate any help
> 
> --
> Gabriel Bulfon
> gbulfon[ARROBA]gmail[PUNTO]com
> 
> 

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Dawson, Michael]

Start reading up on CFHTTP and Regular Expressions.  CFHTTP will convert
all links to fully-qualified links (if you set the appropriate
attribute) and the regular expressions will find all links within the
document.

M!ke 

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From: housi mueller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fetching a website?

I would like to know how to grab a entire website, download and save it
to the harddisk. Replace all absolute paths into relative paths so that
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Re: Measuring URL response times

[Fabio Terracini]

You should give a try do GetTickCount() function.

Like



 code ...

#t1-GetTickCount()# ms

Or if you're planning to measure the overall page load time (not a 
specific code) in all your site you should look a specific tool for it, 
like Web Application Stress Tool.

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Karl Simanonok wrote:

>I'd like to be able to measure the response times of thousands of various 
>URLs I have in a database.  This is one way:
>
>
>
>   
>
>  METHOD="GET"
>   resolveURL="1"
>   throwOnError="YES">
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Ping time: #TimeDiff# Milliseconds!
>
>
>
>The PROBLEM with this method is that the ColdFusion time functions only 
>allow resolution to the nearest second, so I get results like 0, 1000, 
>2000, 3000 etc., a very crude measurement when what I really want is 
>response time in milliseconds.
>
>
>Here is another way to to potentially solve the problem, from 
>http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1090810&page=3:
>
>
>
>
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   timeout="5" outputfile="#dir##filename#">
>   
>   
>   
>   #ip#
>   
>   
>SUCCESS
>   
>-failed-
>   
>unknown
>   
>
>
>The PROBLEM with this second method is that it's got to be horribly 
>inefficient to repeatedly call Ping.exe with CFEXECUTE (and wait for four 
>replies), write a file, then read the file.  On top of it the output has to 
>be parsed up to get the final number of milliseconds that I really 
>want.  While this method could probably be made considerably more efficient 
>by skipping the file-writing and file-reading steps and just parsing the 
>output from CFEXECUTE, it's still ugly and kludgy to repeatedly call 
>Ping.exe this way, I'd sooner just get my results to the nearest second 
>with the first method.
>
>1) I'd very much like to be able to use CF by itself if possible; is there 
>any known way to use CF to get the time difference between two time hacks 
>in milliseconds?
>
>2) Secondly, because CF is limited in the number of simultaneous threads it 
>can handle (I'm using CF 5 although I could use MX 6 if I really had to), 
>what happens if thousands of CFHTTP requests are made this way very 
>quickly?  Does CF just stop and wait until there are threads available or 
>could so many CFHTTP requests lock up the server this app would be running 
>on?  I suppose I could throttle down the request rate if I had to, there 
>isn't any reason why thousands of CFHTTP requests have to be made all in 
>one batch.  So I guess this question boils down to: what would be the 
>maximum number of CFHTTP requests that I should burden the server with at 
>any one time?  It's a CrystalTech dedicated server, a 1.8 GHz single Intel 
>CPU machine running Windows 2003 Server and CF 5.0 with about half a gig of 
>RAM, and it can be devoted to this task if need be, so interference with 
>other applications isn't a factor.
>
>3) Finally, CFHTTP if successful will return all the code from the URL 
>called, unlike Ping.exe.  I like this fact because it will give me a truer 
>response time for each URL in my database, but all I actually need is the 
>response time in milliseconds.  Is all the data returned going to fill up 
>RAM on the server or worse go to disk cache, or can I somehow tell CF to 
>discard it immediately?
>
>Regards,
>
>Karl Simanonok
>
>
>
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Re: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Gabriel Bulfon]

anything :(

On 8/10/05, Thomas Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 August 2005 16:08, Gabriel Bulfon wrote:
> > Anybody have this problem? I tried to display web services wsdl file
> > from ie. I don't see anything.
> 
> Even if you view source ?
> 
> --
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Re: subversion and mapped drive

[Stan Winchester]

Thank you Damien & Ewok for your input!

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ewok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> 
>> Why are you using mapped drives? I take it you don't have TortoiseSVN
>> or the SubClipse plugin for Eclipse on your workstations?
>
>Ditto on TortoiseSVN, its simply awesome and works great with Directory
>Opus (my file manager of choice).
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RE: CF-Talk: Digest every 2 hours

[Smith, Ryan]

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From: CF-Talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:01 AM
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Subject: CF-Talk: Digest every 2 hours


CF-Talk  10-Aug-05 Issue:9508
In this issue:
 Cfhttp vs web services
 Cfhttp vs web services
 CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)
 CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)
 CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)
 CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)
 CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)
 CFMAIL Attachments on the fly (not from a file)
 Change the CF JWS root directory?
 Change the CF JWS root directory?
 consuming WS from XMLHttpRequest object
 Estimated Freight
 Estimated Freight
 Fetching a website?
 FTP and file permissions
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Looking for very simple CMS
 Migrating to CFMX (7) from CF 5
 OT: XSL and XML namespaces
 problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer
 problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer
 problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer
 problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer
 problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer
 subversion and mapped drive
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Re: consuming WS from XMLHttpRequest object

[Rob]

You have to write that your self. If you want you can try out
neuromancer which is a set of libraries to do just that (call web
service methods from javascript)

http://www.robrohan.com/projects/neuromancer


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> Hi all, how call ColdFusion Web Services directly from XMLHttpRequest 
> instance ?
> Using open method (from XMLHttpRequest) to pass ws url. But, how call
> WS directly.
> 
> In a cfinvoke you can specify method name trought cfinvoke's method
> parameter. But, how invoke method when only specify Url?
> 
> TIA
> 
> -gabriel
> 
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RE: Cfhttp vs web services

[Connie DeCinko]

Is either any more or less secure than the other method?  Is either subject
to attack or abuse more than the other method?
 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Cfhttp vs web services

There's really not much difference at all, other than the resulting output
is not XML unless he made it that way. A web service is just passing one
string of information to a form and getting back one string with all of the
resulting information.  I used to do this with WDDX in CF 4.5 when I needed
to have my local intranet speak to my remote host on a nightly basis.

 
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Re: Fetching a website?

[Meli Helmut]

>> I would like to know how to grab a entire website, download 
>> and save it to the harddisk. Replace all absolute paths into 
>> relative paths so that the site can be viewed offline.
>
>Cfexecute
>wget
>
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I saw wget already. I know why to invent the wheel again, if it already 
exists... but I would like to write something like this on my one...

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RE: problem displaying *.cfc?wsdl with internet explorer

[Dave Watts]

> Recently, I have not been able to view *any* XML files in IE. 
> I can't even view the source of an XML file. Something changed 
> in IE that broke it. I can still view XML in Firefox, however.

You might try installing the latest MSXML parser from MSDN.

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Re: MX Web Services with JavaScript

[Rob]

It's a neuromancer day :)

http://www.robrohan.com/projects/neuromancer

Reads a wsdl file, creates a local javascript object, then when you
invoke methods on the javascript object it proxys those back to the
web service.

On 8/10/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a little desperate (I've scoured Google with no luck) but I'd really
> like a JavaScript solution to consuming MX web services in IE 6.x.
> 
> I've tried the webservice.htc behavior which works WONDERFULLY with most
> services but can't seem to deal at all with MX services (versions 6 or 7).
> Something about the WSDL's being a little off from what it likes to see.
> 
> Any nifty solutions hiding out there?
> 
> Please... SAVE ME FROM MANUALLY PARSING WEB SERVICE RESULTS!
> 
> Jim Davis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Fetching a website?

[Dave Watts]

> I saw wget already. I know why to invent the wheel again, if 
> it already exists... but I would like to write something like 
> this on my one...

I submit that CF is a spectacularly poor choice for doing this, though.

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Re: Fetching a website?

[Jochem van Dieten]

Meli Helmut wrote:
> 
> I saw wget already. I know why to invent the wheel again, if it already 
> exists... but I would like to write something like this on my one...

Read the source and you know what it takes :) But I would 
recommend cURL over wget because the license is less restrictive.

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Re: MX Web Services with JavaScript

[Rob]

Its a bit hard to see, but this is how the libraries work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=WDZbFXKoXLA

On 8/10/05, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's a neuromancer day :)
> 
> http://www.robrohan.com/projects/neuromancer
> 
> Reads a wsdl file, creates a local javascript object, then when you
> invoke methods on the javascript object it proxys those back to the
> web service.
> 
> On 8/10/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is a little desperate (I've scoured Google with no luck) but I'd really
> > like a JavaScript solution to consuming MX web services in IE 6.x.
> >
> > I've tried the webservice.htc behavior which works WONDERFULLY with most
> > services but can't seem to deal at all with MX services (versions 6 or 7).
> > Something about the WSDL's being a little off from what it likes to see.
> >
> > Any nifty solutions hiding out there?
> >
> > Please... SAVE ME FROM MANUALLY PARSING WEB SERVICE RESULTS!
> >
> > Jim Davis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Fetching a website?

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> I submit that CF is a spectacularly poor choice for doing this, though.

Maybe CF is a poor choice but it should be possible...

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Re: subversion and mapped drive

[Barney Boisvert]

Subversion with a working directory that is on a network drive is very
slow, because of all the metadata operations that take place. 
Ideally, each working directory would be on the developer's local
machine.

We use a similar setup to what you describe, where we have working
directories on a shared dev server, and then use a mapped drive to
access them, but for large operations (like merging or large
additions), we do them locally from the dev server. I.e. log into the
shared server, and run 'svn' from the command line.

I wouldn't recommend using 'export' on your dev machine.  Just leaving
a working directory is much nicer, because you get incremental updates
and stuff, and it lets you potentially make tweaks to the shared
instance of the app (like spelling errors), without having to create
or switch a working directory to whatever version is on the shared
instance.

In all of this, the location of the repository is irrelevant.

cheers,
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> We have installed Subversion on a development web server. We setup a
> repository directly on the server using the Berkeley database, and import a
> project with no problems. Then from a local work station we checkout the
> repository to a mapped drive on the web server (See below)
> 
> Web server:
> F:\svnrepository\examplesite\trunk (repository)
> F:\tempdir\examplesite (import location)
> F:\websites\examplesite\trunk (test directory inside http path)
> 
> Local work station:
> Z:\examplesite (checkout repository to mapped drive pointing to
> "F:\websites\examplesite\trunk")
> 
> We then added tinyMCE to the project and tried to commit it, but it takes
> forever or throws errors.
> 
> Our local network is a 10/100 Ethernet.
> 
> I was wondering if we should checkout the repository to a local drive on
> each workstation, and then do an export to a test/deployment directory on
> the web server. How do others use subversion with a remote web server?
> 
> Thank you,
> Aftershock Web Design, Inc.
> by: Stan Winchester
> President/Developer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

[Michel Deloux]

Personal point of view: choose the best Framework for CF.

Thanks

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Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

[Barney Boisvert]

Presumably you were soliciting opinions?

For full-app development, ModelGlue would be my choice, I'd say.   For
UI's, Fusebox 3, hands down.

cheers,
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> Personal point of view: choose the best Framework for CF.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> MD
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Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

[Joe Rinehart]

Shrug...I don't think there is one.  It depends on what you need.  I
wrote Model-Glue, but I'm sitting here using Fusebox because it makes
the most sense for the project I'm working on.

-Joe

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> Thanks
> 
> MD
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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Kevin Aebig]

>> This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots
>> of different options.

I agree and to be honest, if my company is going to spend thousands of
dollars on software, I'd like to discuss it with the company beforehand.

It also helps keep their sales staff from hand-holding window shoppers.

Sincerely,

Kevin

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Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

> I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple 
> pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a 
> sales gimp.

This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of
different options.

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Re: Fetching a website?

[Meli Helmut]

>Start reading up on CFHTTP and Regular Expressions.  CFHTTP will convert
>all links to fully-qualified links (if you set the appropriate
>attribute) and the regular expressions will find all links within the
>document.
>
>M!ke 


I already made some tests with CFHTTP. But it needs more. Looping trough and 
parsing all the documents, download all the objects etc etc.
I thought that maybe someone wrote already something similar in ColdFusion ...

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Kerry]

Also, just because the cost may change for certain clients doesnt mean
they're getting ripped off, e.g.
oh you have a massive project? we want the development, you can have the cms
for free!
oh you have a massive industry profile? we want you as a client so much that
you can have the cms for free!

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 August 2005 17:44
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS


>> This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots
>> of different options.

I agree and to be honest, if my company is going to spend thousands of
dollars on software, I'd like to discuss it with the company beforehand.

It also helps keep their sales staff from hand-holding window shoppers.

Sincerely,

Kevin

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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 10, 2005 8:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

> I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple
> pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a
> sales gimp.

This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of
different options.

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Kevin Aebig]

Yes, your scenarios do happen in the real world and it is a reason for some
companies to use the 'call for pricing' approach but...

There are some companies that simply want a piece of the market share. They
understand that if they highball everyone who calls to get the maximum
amount of cash out of every customer, they'll eventually lose out to
competition (OS, smaller companies, etc.)

So why do they use 'call for pricing'? So that they can talk with you and
help you choose what you need. If they can get you the  you want, at
a lower cost than you expected, they'll have your loyalty.

Not every company is run by crooks... and not every salesman is from a used
car lot...

Cheers,

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: August 10, 2005 9:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

Dave,
Ok - here's my take

I'm sorry to disagree with you - but the goal of "call for pricing" is not
usually to shield customers from your pricing for their own good. It is to
get someone - some person (some salesperson usually) to talk with you and
make a pitch. I think there is definitely a moral dimension to it in some
cases. I'm NOT making a comment specifically about commonSpot or any other
product - and I do not know your connection with that product, but consider
this scenario.

Customer "A" calls in with a question about the product. He indicates he's
the IT director of a large company and they are looking to replace their
current CMS (let's say red dot) with a new one because they are not happy
with the product - no mention of it's costliness.  The CMS provider being
savvy knows that Red Dot's pricing model is per seat with an installed
enterprise license of 70k. So he or she bids in that neighborhood with per
seat pricing. They maximize the profit margin by targeting the current price
point (even though they may typically sell the product at a much lower
cost - say 40,000).

Customer "B" calls in and they are a small to medium size business with a
portal site that has grown unwieldy.  They are looking to implement CMS for
the first time and they need a product, training, ongoing support etc.  The
sales person senses that budget is an issue so they target a price that is
much lower than for customer "A" even though the actual product offering may
be strikingly similar. Because of the complexity of the product AND the
obscurity in pricing, customer "A" will never know they overpaid.

In my view (and granted I may be the only one) this is not even handed
enough to qualify as "ok" or "right" - sorry. Perhaps my standard is too
high, but I think it's deceptive and wrong.  I don't mind companies who
offer discounts or make deals if they are above board about it, but they
should not obscure the price of for market product just to give themselves
"wiggle room".

The complexity of the product IS a factor in pricing, but there's no reason
not to post a base price sheet for levels and/or modules with the caveat
that some modules and services incur additional cost. Yes, your customers
may get "confused" by your pricing scheme - at which point you could try
simplifying it (there's a thought) or explaining it.  It's not an
intractable problem - just a difficult one.  And the idea of "shielding your
customers from your pricing scheme" because they might get confused is high
handed. It reminds me of that Phil Hartman routine with the caveman - "I'm
just a simple caveman. I don't understand your big words like 'license' and
'module'"

You are right that it is common practice for complex product offerings to
NOT post their prices, but there are certainly very complex product
offerings that DO post their prices (as anyone who has tried to navigate the
complexity of Microsoft licensing can attest).

Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE
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www.necfug.com
http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed
prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different
products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for
Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them.
Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex
pricing schemes.

As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to
pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible
pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/





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