Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

And then with a very limited resale market. The boat is obviously not going to 
be as fast as a normal 40 with either a deep keel or centerboard, never mind 
the higher boom, and the interior is incredible for two people. For a crowd, 
maybe not so much.
The usual C 40 shopper is probably not after a couple’s Great Loop boat. I 
would say Loopers aren’t after C 40s either, but from what I have read some 
of them have figured out that de-rigged sailboats are vastly more efficient 
than even most trawlers.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: David Risch via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 9:58 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

That must have been a hefty $premium$ over the base boat to build that…

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 9:52 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>; 'John 
Christopher' mailto:phygi...@gmail.com>>
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

The LF 39 has the prop way ahead of the rudder and the toerail is totally 
different.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 9:36 AM
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Christopher mailto:phygi...@gmail.com>>
Cc: Richard Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

John, take a look and the Landfall 39..(not the38)...

Richard

19085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 09:20:17 AM EDT, John Christopher 
mailto:phygi...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The specs state the LWL is 29.83 feet at  and the 40-2 is 31.50. The landfall 
38 has a LWL of 30.17.

The description says; They started with the hull from a C 40, arguably one of 
their best performing hulls, and modified it to have a more traditional 
cruising stern. They took the bow and cockpit sections from the Landfall 38 
series and put a pilothouse, fashioned after the Landfall 48, over the salon. 
The result was a unique, stiff and fast cruiser with an amazing amount of 
living space for a very demanding cruising couple

/John

On May 31, 2024, at 8:47 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

This looks more like a Landfall 39 than an altered 40; check out the spec 
and photos on the photo album...

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 03:57:49 PM EDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



I think I posted about this before:

1983 C 40 Custom Pilothouse Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld<https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-c$c-40-custom-pilothouse-9302868/>

www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-c$c-40-custom-pilothouse-9302868/<http://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-c$c-40-custom-pilothouse-9302868/>



This has to be one of the most unusual C ever. I am 50/50 on if it is great 
or a hot mess.

Has anyone ever seen this boat?

Two things come to mind that might be negatives, can you see over the 
pilothouse or do you look through it?

Second, thinking about being healed way over in 20 foot seas and coming down 
the companionway ladder on a port tack, that could be challenge and then some. 
Maybe that isn’t a thing on Lake Ontario?

OTOH don’t rig it and you have on hell of a Great Loop boat!





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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Draft is 5 feet. I think it is the centerboard version of the keel minus the 
actual centerboard.
My wife wouldn’t care about 20 foot waves anyway, she wants no part of that.
The other two puzzles:
Is there a place for more than 2 people to eat?
A shower is discussed but I don’t see one.
The joinery looks amazing below, someone did a nice job on it.

Joe Della Barba


From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 4:24 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

Not seeing the draft, which I know is important to you.
Looks really nice.  I think you just need to go look at it, then you can tour 
the maritime museum. And the thousand Islands.

Why Knot?
\
Bill Coleman
Erie PA

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 3:57 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I think I posted about this before:
1983 C 40 Custom Pilothouse Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld<https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-c$c-40-custom-pilothouse-9302868/>
www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-c$c-40-custom-pilothouse-9302868/<http://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-c$c-40-custom-pilothouse-9302868/>

This has to be one of the most unusual C ever. I am 50/50 on if it is great 
or a hot mess.
Has anyone ever seen this boat?
Two things come to mind that might be negatives, can you see over the 
pilothouse or do you look through it?
Second, thinking about being healed way over in 20 foot seas and coming down 
the companionway ladder on a port tack, that could be challenge and then some. 
Maybe that isn’t a thing on Lake Ontario?
OTOH don’t rig it and you have on hell of a Great Loop boat!


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I
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Stus-List C 40 custom pilothouse

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I think I posted about this before:
1983 C 40 Custom Pilothouse Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld
www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-c$c-40-custom-pilothouse-9302868/

This has to be one of the most unusual C ever. I am 50/50 on if it is great 
or a hot mess.
Has anyone ever seen this boat?
Two things come to mind that might be negatives, can you see over the 
pilothouse or do you look through it?
Second, thinking about being healed way over in 20 foot seas and coming down 
the companionway ladder on a port tack, that could be challenge and then some. 
Maybe that isn’t a thing on Lake Ontario?
OTOH don’t rig it and you have on hell of a Great Loop boat!


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Rejected messages

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My last few rejects have been about 4 sentences and no images.
FYI

Joe Della Barba
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2024 5:35 PM
To: CnC List 
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Rejected messages

Hi folks – if you have recently tried to post a message and had it rejected, it 
was too big and probably contained images.

We do have message size restrictions (50K).  Sorry, but the rules are rules.

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

They did hose you, the whole point is the fittings get reused!

Joe Della Barba


From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 2:08 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

Well, it was more than 50' to be sure, probably not a fair comparison, Maybe if 
I had given them the old pieces they could have re-used the old eyes, but they 
didn't ask for them, and I wanted to keep the old pieces. The Dyneema is 
covered in a black tube all the way around the eyes to keep the sun off it, 
which is nice.  I met nice fellow at the boat show from BSI, I think, I thought 
I could get it through him, but he eventually referred me down the line finally 
to the Rigging Co in Annapolis, who probably tacked on another 40%.  And all 
this after Annapolis Rigging ripped me off for 1800 bucks earlier, so the whole 
thing is a rather sore subject.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA Entrada

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 11:48 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The deal with Dyneema is supposedly it is only expensive ONCE, the fittings can 
be reused and the actual Dyneema replaced cheaply.
It should not have cost much at all to just replace the line, was it really 
$4,000 for 50 feet of it


Joe Della Barba

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain. Probably 
have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it was 
originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for the 
little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself for next 
to nothing.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA Entrada

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am in 
the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of boat 
owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.

Karl Erickson
1978 C 34
SeaBatical
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The deal with Dyneema is supposedly it is only expensive ONCE, the fittings can 
be reused and the actual Dyneema replaced cheaply.
It should not have cost much at all to just replace the line, was it really 
$4,000 for 50 feet of it


Joe Della Barba

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain. Probably 
have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it was 
originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for the 
little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself for next 
to nothing.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA Entrada

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am in 
the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of boat 
owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.

Karl Erickson
1978 C 34
SeaBatical
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I so need to move – that would probably cost $25,000 around here!
Also I found out the rigging shops I called for a survey on that C 40 I 
looked at would all fail the rigging without even seeing it due to age even if 
it looked brand new. They were pretty sure they couldn’t do a proper look 
without doing enough damage to make replacement needed after the survey even if 
it wasn’t before ☹

Joe
Coquina

From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 9:02 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: sai...@comcast.net; cenel...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging

I replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material and 
labor and shipping was about $7000.

This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.


Charlie Nelson

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On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a C 40 
or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was cost broken 
down between materials and installation?



Thks




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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Does anyone know if Winchmate is still in business?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I may have some, I bought them some time ago and they had been sitting around 
long enough to lose their stretch, there was no way they were ever getting on 
the winch. I can’t recall what I did with them.
Joe
Coquina

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 8:58 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Does anyone know if Winchmate is still in 
business?

Amazon has the Wincher by Barton Marine:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=barton+marine+winchers=en_US=1229254346477780=76828564597116=bp=c=90118=s=e=kwd-76828674595515%3Aloc-190=17789_13577536=txtstdbgdt-20=pd_sl_6d21nr1pho_p
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: battery charger for sale

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

There is a LOT more to lithium than just buying one, the battery itself will 
probably only be 50% of the cost involved.
When I go lithium the AGM battery will then be the engine start battery and the 
current engine start battery will be removed. This is assuming my insurance 
will cover lithium batteries, which many companies will not do.

Joe
Coquina

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 4:27 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: battery charger for sale

I'm a little surprised, I would have expected a progressive fellow such as 
yourself to be jumping into lithium. I am wasting an inordinate amount of time 
researching charger inverters, and I think although the lithium batteries may 
come down more in the future, I think because I need new batteries the time is 
now.

Bill Coleman

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 12:34 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I recently got a big AGM battery that needs a big charger. I have a ProNautic 
15 amp charger with a battery temperature probe that is necessary for correct 
charging of any lead-acid battery. It can charge 1, 2, or 3 batteries and has a 
lot of settings for various charge profiles.
It works fine, it is only being removed because I got a bigger charger. They 
sell for $350-$400 new, I will send this one to any USA address for $150 
shipped. Canada might be more, I would have to check.
(Odyssey battery company told me they want their battery charged with at least 
a 30 amp charger and ideally a lot more, apparently they need to be hit hard to 
stay good)

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium vs AGM

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

If you are primarily going dock to dock and don’t care about being anchored out 
or underway for days, the old standard two group 27 batteries will do just 
fine, you are only dealing with hours of no engine, not days.
I would still go AGM just because I hate wet batteries. We had one crack open 
in a hurricane and the extra-special smell was not appreciated.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 1:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Lithium vs AGM

Hi Brian,
I watched hundreds of videos installing lithium battery systems in sailboats 
and also in RVs.  I found MarineHowTo.com had a link to Victron diagrams and 
there are many many videos describing each Victron module on YouTube.

I didn't go very deep into solar panels, which is probably where I'd start if 
our boat was on a mooring.

My situation is different.
Our boat is in a slip with 30amp power available and we enjoy air conditioning, 
no extra charge.  I couldn't build a lithium/solar system large enough to 
support air conditioning so it lost a lot of attraction.  We mostly daysail and 
return to the slip.  When we cruise, my wife prefers a marina over anchoring 
out, where they have a pool, so we take a slip at a marina and plug in.   We 
enjoy walking strange towns and learning the history and finding good 
restaurants and live music and meeting new people.  It's all part of the 
adventure of cruising.


Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis
On 02/16/2024 6:03 AM EST nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Chuck, Bill and any others:

I am in a similar position; my batteries are on their last legs.  Was hoping to 
make another season with them but need to dive into LFP batteries as a 
potential replacement.  Some people really like AGM, but my understanding is 
they need to be brought back to 100% SOC and I am on a mooring so cannot just 
plug in at the end of the day.

Where / what sites have you been using to learn about LFP batteries?  So far I 
have looked [but need to spend more time at] Rod Collins “Marine How To” site, 
and Ocean Planet.

I also need to get up to speed as best as I can on solar – so any suggestions 
there as well.  Have spent some time on the “alltestore . com” site.

Thanks,
Brian

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 6:15 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Lithium vs AGM

Hey Bill,

I am replacing my 12 and 13 year old AGM batteries with AGMs.  I spent at least 
40 hours this winter learning about Lithium, because decent lithium batteries 
can be found for a few dollars more than AGMs.  But I don't have room on my 
boat for the inverter/charger and all the costs of that and all the modules and 
cables, required to complete a system like that, pushes a lithium project way 
over my budget.   I am installing a Victron shunt to read my power useage and 
monitor various loads, and I'm adding some fuses at each battery, so I can 
always upgrade the system later, if it's warranted.

I'll be adding a cheap 1000watt pure sine wave inverter to power my TV, DVD, 
chargers and coffee maker.

Curious about your project.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis


On 02/15/2024 4:27 PM EST Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I'm a little surprised, I would have expected a progressive fellow such as 
yourself to be jumping into lithium. I am wasting an inordinate amount of time 
researching charger inverters, and I think although the lithium batteries may 
come down more in the future, I think because I need new batteries the time is 
now.

Bill Coleman

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, 12:34 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I recently got a big AGM battery that needs a big charger. I have a ProNautic 
15 amp charger with a battery temperature probe that is necessary for correct 
charging of any lead-acid battery. It can charge 1, 2, or 3 batteries and has a 
lot of settings for various charge profiles.
It works fine, it is only being removed because I got a bigger charger. They 
sell for $350-$400 new, I will send this one to any USA address for $150 
shipped. Canada might be more, I would have to check.
(Odyssey battery company told me they want their battery charged with at least 
a 30 amp charger and ideally a lot more, apparently they need to be hit hard to 
stay good)

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have been going nuts with fresh water leaks lately. It seems like the ½” hose 
has lost its flexibility over the decades, it is now rock hard. I can’t get it 
off any barb, I have to cut it off and the hose is so stiff I can’t get a 
leak-free connection anymore. I got out a spare role to replace it and that 
stuff too is about as flexible as iron pipe, I guess I saving it for 30 years 
was not cost-effective ☹
I never though of ½’ water hose as an expense before, but the stuff is 
expensive now too! I think it is over $3/ft at West Marine and $1/foot off 
Amazon for Chinese chemical-smelling hose. Certainly no one plumbing a house is 
putting up with this, so I asked and the hardware store clerk turned me on to 
PEX tubing. It is cheap, like $0.50 a foot, and is strong enough to freeze and 
not burst. I got the special crimp tool and stainless crimp bands off Amazon 
for $25 or so and a 12-pack of PEX to NPT fittings. I think it is time for all 
the old hose to go.
Joe
Coquina

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C Rugby shirts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

12 oz for me

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 12:28 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C Rugby shirts

I like whichever lasts longer, I have some shirts(mostly Tee's) that get 
raggedy after a few washings...Thanks!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:11:23 PM EST, Motion Designs Limited via 
CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


8 oz or 12 oz Rugby Shirts

Lighter is a little cheaper but I’m thinking more comfort ?

JKC


www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C shirts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

How many confirmed buyers do we need?
Joe

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2024 10:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C shirts

Per the rugby shirts...ditto what Charlie said!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River; Mile 596

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 02:02:05 PM EST, cenelson--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I would be in for several rugby shirts as shown.

I would also be interested in some polo shirts of similar design and any others 
(like the 'dry' shirts, etc.) with the same design.

Those C in the southern US, etc. would get limited use from a true rugby 
shirt but a similar designed polo or dry shirt (short or long sleeves) could be 
worn most of the year.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1990 C 36XL/kcb
New Bern, NC
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Kite jibing--end for end or dip pole?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Dip pole for me. IMHO it is safer.
(of course now I hardly use the pole, a gybe is about as easy as gybing the 
genoa in asym mode)
Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: winter storage

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Is there any such thing as a C 35 MK I being parted out? There are a few 
things I could use. Not necessarily a mast, but if anyone had one nearby I 
would stick it in the yard for a spare.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina



From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 1:31 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: winter storage

If someone wants a mast there one on Kijiji for sale
And there a salvage yard that cut them up because there no room for to store 
them
He get lots of cnc

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 6:45 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
As Matt mentioned, after a couple boats blew over at our club, they came out 
with an edict that any boats with masts up will have to be on a cradle.  That 
is not to say that a boat can't blow over in a cradle, there are tons of poorly 
designed cradles, or poorly maintained cradles around.  I have made several 
over the years, and just this fall got roped into revamping a Catalina 36 
cradle. He gave me the original drawings for the cradle, I couldn't believe it 
was an original design by Catalina - the whole thing, even the longitudinal 
stringers were only 4" channel, which, after being picked up by the ends, which 
is how they move cradles here, it sagged down about 6". So it got two new 8" I 
beams longitudinally and two crosswise under the keel. I would have made it 
more than 8 feet wide, but the dockmaster told me it couldn't be more than 
that. The point here, I guess is to get a good cradle.  There are a few down at 
our club that are an amazing design. They are made by Viking Trailers,  in 
Butler, PA,  Unfortunately , they don't  have any pictures on their site of 
them, if anyone is interested I can send a picture. There are four uprights per 
side, all adjustable in, out, and up, and also have fold down flaps to 
stabilize it up to 12' wide.  Really well thought out.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA Entrada

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 10:19 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Re mast up.  A friend stored his C 33-2 with mast up and it blew over in a 
winter storm.  He now has no mast.

With mast down possibly the reduced windage would have prevented the boat from 
blowing over but certainly would have not resulted in a mast broken in three 
areas.  The boat was on a cradle.

Food for thought

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: Bob Mann via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:45 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bob Mann mailto:sailrm...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List winter storage

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April. For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter? Bob Mann Mystic ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍
Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April.  For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter?

Bob Mann
Mystic
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Mine is on the way from England just in time for a Thanksgiving cruise. If 
things go as usual we’ll have a real cold couple of weeks before Christmas, 
instead of putting antifreeze in there I can just take it home 
Joe
Coquina

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 8:40 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

I’ve had my Plastimo 26 gallon tank under Touché’s aft dinette seat for over 15 
years. Like it very much.

Dennis C.



On Oct 20, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I am thinking about a bladder. The tank is enough of a mess that I am not sure 
I want to deal with it.
Has anyone had good luck with the Plastimo tanks?

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Red Jacket needs a new lover

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You have to send Stu a few bucks or rum or something 
Any details on the 41?





Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Glenn Henderson via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 11:14 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Glenn Henderson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Red Jacket needs a new lover

Hello, What are the rules on selling a C on this chain? I am putting my C 
41 up for sale.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:57 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Well if she is going for scrap I have an extra mooring!

-Original Message-
From: Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 5:57 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Motion Designs Limited 
mailto:j...@motiondesignslimited.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Red Jacket needs a new lover

Red Jacket needs to find a home.  She’s been the market for a year and storage 
fees are mounting so the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston is a 
motivated seller.   Why do I bring this up ?   The rumour mill ( which I 
confirmed ) someone ( Top management at the Marine Museum says it wasn’t them ) 
called the ship breaker and asked what the value of her as scrap was …..We 
will never let her go to scrap, that is for sure but she needs someone who has 
the passion ( and resources ) to take care of her.

JohnKelly Cuthbertson
www.candcyachts.com<http://www.candcyachts.com>
Motion Designs Limited

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Red Jacket needs a new lover

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Well if she is going for scrap I have an extra mooring!

-Original Message-
From: Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 5:57 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Motion Designs Limited 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Red Jacket needs a new lover

Red Jacket needs to find a home.  She’s been the market for a year and storage 
fees are mounting so the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston is a 
motivated seller.   Why do I bring this up ?   The rumour mill ( which I 
confirmed ) someone ( Top management at the Marine Museum says it wasn’t them ) 
called the ship breaker and asked what the value of her as scrap was …..We 
will never let her go to scrap, that is for sure but she needs someone who has 
the passion ( and resources ) to take care of her.  

JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: winter storage

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I haul out in August, so I guess I need not worry 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 1:59 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: winter storage

But in Maryland, you don’t have real winter (). I think that any issues with 
tightening/loosening the shrouds starts making any difference when you have 
longer periods of low temperatures (-20 °C/ below 0 °F). So, this would only 
apply to Canada in-shore and Mid-West in the US. Along the coasts, even in 
Canada or Alaska, it does not get cold enough to worry about that issue.

Marek
Ottawa, ON
(already on the hard with the mast down)



From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:45 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: winter storage

In Maryland most boats are hauled mast up if they get hauled at all and I have 
never heard of anyone doing anything to the rigging.
FYI
YMMV
Joe
Coquina

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:19 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: winter storage

Re mast up.  A friend stored his C 33-2 with mast up and it blew over in a 
winter storm.  He now has no mast.

With mast down possibly the reduced windage would have prevented the boat from 
blowing over but certainly would have not resulted in a mast broken in three 
areas.  The boat was on a cradle.

Food for thought

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:45 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bob Mann mailto:sailrm...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List winter storage

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April. For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter? Bob Mann Mystic ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April.  For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter?

Bob Mann
Mystic
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sizing an inverter

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

If it helps, think of the inverter as a special kind of extension cord. It 
passes power from Point A to Point B. It does not create or store power. It 
needs to be bigger than the expected load put on it.
The batteries need to be up to the task, but they do not create any power, they 
store it. If you want to use a lot of power, you have to generate a lot of 
power somehow.
A huge battery bank, say big enough to run an air conditioner overnight, on a 
C with a stock charging system would work one night and then you would need 
to motor about 8-10 hours if you wanted to do it again.
Joe
Coquina

From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 12:06 PM
To: Richard Bush 
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Dreuge 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter

Richard,

My point is that one should not size an inverter relative a battery, but size 
it to ones expected needs.Folks often mix up or misuse terminology.If 
the maximum power consumed from an electric coffee pot is 1000 Watts.  Then one 
would need at least a 1kW inverter, but should get something larger to avoid 
maxing the operating limits.   Now the question is what battery can provide a 
constant 1000W for the 5 minutes to brew coffee.  Of course battery needs are 
greater than brewing coffee and an energy audit would give a better estimate, 
but for the sake of simplicity, let’s only consider coffee needs.

 For a 12V battery system (12.5V lead acid), the 1000W of power (P = voltage* 
current) is  provided by a battery current of 1000W/12.5V = 80A.  So one would 
need a battery that can provide 80A of current for 5 minutes.  A single 100A*hr 
lead acid type battery would be a poor choice as it would end up nearly 
depleted.   Relative to a 100 A*hr LiFePO4 battery, the LiFePO4 battery would 
brew about 10 times more coffee!




-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


On Oct 18, 2023, at 8:55 AM, Richard Bush 
mailto:bushma...@aol.com>> wrote:

Paul, If I understand your point, it is that we shouldn't be relying on battery 
power for any appliances or coffee pots...etc.; is there any alternative that 
doesn't involve solar? thanks!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584:
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 07:12:19 AM EDT, Dreuge via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hi Chuck,

First off,  12V * 100 A*hr = 1200 W*hr.  But keep in mind that A*hr battery 
ratings for a 100 A*hr battery is tested typical at 5 amps(or 0.05C).  That is 
your 100 A*hr is 5A * 20hr. At this rate the battery is only providing 12.5V * 
5A = 63 Watts.At higher current loads, your effective battery capacity will 
be much much less  due to Peuket Effect losses.   In fact, a 100 A*hr rated 
lead-acid battery at 100 amp load would only provide about 20 A*hr of 
energy(and lots of heat).  To add to the insult, lead acid based batteries like 
AGM should not be depleted below 50% capacity to limit damage, so reserving 1 
battery for start leaves only 50 A*hr for your house bank at loads of about 5 
amps.At a 20A load, the 100 A*hr (50 A*hr effective) only provides 60 A*hr 
(30 A*hr effective).  That’s about 30 A*hr / 20A = 1.5 hrs of use.

A 1000 W inverter could draw a max of 1000W / 12.5V = 80 Amps (but likely 
higher due to a voltage drop).  This would drain your battery in 6 - 10 minutes.

I gave a talk to some local Hams about Solar Off-Grid Systems.  I posted the 
slides on my blog (see link below).On slides 5 & 6, I discuss battery 
discharge capacity and bank sizes.




https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/10/solar-off-grid-system.html


 On Johanna Rose, I have a 2000W inverter charger.  When I run my microwave, it 
draws about 100A from a 560 A*hr  LiFePO4 battery.   Like Dennis, I have my 
inverter connected to my panel powering all AC loads except for my A/C unit and 
water heater.   The inverter has a built in transfer switch which automatically 
(and smoothly) transfers to shore power when available.

-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


On Oct 17, 2023, at 7:27 PM,  via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive

I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more.
What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM batteries?
One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts.  My system can provide 2400 watts 
but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on the other 
battery.  Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both batteries, or to 
the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"?

Thanks,
Chuck S


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: winter storage

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

In Maryland most boats are hauled mast up if they get hauled at all and I have 
never heard of anyone doing anything to the rigging.
FYI
YMMV
Joe
Coquina

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:19 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: winter storage

Re mast up.  A friend stored his C 33-2 with mast up and it blew over in a 
winter storm.  He now has no mast.

With mast down possibly the reduced windage would have prevented the boat from 
blowing over but certainly would have not resulted in a mast broken in three 
areas.  The boat was on a cradle.

Food for thought

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: Bob Mann via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:45 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bob Mann mailto:sailrm...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List winter storage

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April. For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter? Bob Mann Mystic ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April.  For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter?

Bob Mann
Mystic
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: best coffee making setup on a boat

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I use Rise Up beans from a local roaster in Easton, a Bosch electric grinder, 
and a French press.
Joe
Coquina

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 8:59 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Richard Bush 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: best coffee making setup on a boat


I agree with Chuck, this is a great conversation and deserves its own heading 
and link! I've learned more about coffee here than I ever knew...we use a 
Walmart 4 cup electric drip coffee maker, and thought we were being cool! Ha!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 05:39:17 PM EDT, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I appreciate all the responses but it might be better to capture your great 
coffee making ideas under a proper subject title so future coffee nerds can 
find them.

Chuck S

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sizing an inverter

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You can, you just have to think it through.
My wife can dry her hair, that draws about 50 amps for 5 minutes or so. I can’t 
run my cabin heater at 500 or 1000 watts off the battery, it would run the 
battery dead before the boat got very warm. Given most of our C were 
designed to be relatively light boats without huge battery banks, we are mostly 
a poor fit for trying to use high-draw AC house appliances running off of 
batteries. I use an AC vacuum and an AC coffee grinder, but I don’t try and use 
an electric coffee pot. Using the stove is far more efficient as far as turning 
fuel into hot water.
What is it you want to run on the boat?


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 8:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter

Paul, If I understand your point, it is that we shouldn't be relying on battery 
power for any appliances or coffee pots...etc.; is there any alternative that 
doesn't involve solar? thanks!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584:
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 07:12:19 AM EDT, Dreuge via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hi Chuck,

First off,  12V * 100 A*hr = 1200 W*hr.  But keep in mind that A*hr battery 
ratings for a 100 A*hr battery is tested typical at 5 amps(or 0.05C).  That is 
your 100 A*hr is 5A * 20hr. At this rate the battery is only providing 12.5V * 
5A = 63 Watts.At higher current loads, your effective battery capacity will 
be much much less  due to Peuket Effect losses.   In fact, a 100 A*hr rated 
lead-acid battery at 100 amp load would only provide about 20 A*hr of 
energy(and lots of heat).  To add to the insult, lead acid based batteries like 
AGM should not be depleted below 50% capacity to limit damage, so reserving 1 
battery for start leaves only 50 A*hr for your house bank at loads of about 5 
amps.At a 20A load, the 100 A*hr (50 A*hr effective) only provides 60 A*hr 
(30 A*hr effective).  That’s about 30 A*hr / 20A = 1.5 hrs of use.

A 1000 W inverter could draw a max of 1000W / 12.5V = 80 Amps (but likely 
higher due to a voltage drop).  This would drain your battery in 6 - 10 minutes.

I gave a talk to some local Hams about Solar Off-Grid Systems.  I posted the 
slides on my blog (see link below).On slides 5 & 6, I discuss battery 
discharge capacity and bank sizes.


https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/10/solar-off-grid-system.html


 On Johanna Rose, I have a 2000W inverter charger.  When I run my microwave, it 
draws about 100A from a 560 A*hr  LiFePO4 battery.   Like Dennis, I have my 
inverter connected to my panel powering all AC loads except for my A/C unit and 
water heater.   The inverter has a built in transfer switch which automatically 
(and smoothly) transfers to shore power when available.

-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


On Oct 17, 2023, at 7:27 PM,  via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive

I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more.
What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM batteries?
One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts.  My system can provide 2400 watts 
but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on the other 
battery.  Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both batteries, or to 
the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"?

Thanks,
Chuck S


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have a 300 watt and 1200 inverter hard-wired to the boat systems as well as 
solar.
I keep thinking there must be a better way to watch TV then spend $1800. If it 
were me, I would probably spend the money on improving the boat systems overall 
vs. a dedicated TV battery.
Joe
Coquina

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:45 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Jackery solar system

Looking for a way to power my TV and DVD and 120v sockets while at anchor.
I'm looking at getting a Jackery solar system for my boat.
I like the "2000 plus" cause it has a 30amp socket that accepts my shorepower 
cord and comes with two 200Watt folding solar panels.  $1800 but cheaper and 
less labor than installing a Lithium battery system with solar panels.

Anybody have experience with these devices?

Chuck Resolute 1989 C, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The tank is not a triangle, the top is a rectangle and the bottom has angles to 
match the hull. One compartment forward of that is a small space that would fit 
a triangle.
Getting the 101 nuts off now to open it up and see what I have.

Joe
Coquina

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 1:29 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

Joe,

Touche' does not have a tank in the bow.  That area is pretty much open with no 
structure forward of the V-Berth step other than the anchor locker bulkhead.  
Suspect the tank is not structural.

Touche's water tank was under the aft seat of the dinette forward of the half 
bulkhead.  It may have been similar to your tank.  It was fiberglass with a 
riveted on top.  Lots of rivets.

I replaced it with a 26 gallon rectangular Plastimo flexible tank in the same 
location.  Very pleased.  Easy to remove it every spring and clean it on the 
dock.

You have often espoused flexible tank usage in aircraft.  Would you consider a 
triangular flexible tank in the bow?  A sistership here in my marina has a 
flexible wastewater tank in that location.
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 9:39 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Anyone else have a water tank in the bow?
Mine is leaking, the bolts through the side of it leak and the wood that holds 
the internal baffle that the bolts are there for is coming apart.
Now I need to get the 120 or so bolts off the top to fix it.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It is fiberglass and not a rectangle. The only way to replace it would be a 
custom-made tank.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Richard Bush 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 11:16 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

Joe, what material is your tank? Most tanks I've seen are one piece molded 
plastic or fiberglass; if it's aluminum, it might be easier to pull it out and 
replace with a new plastic one...?

Richard
1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 10:39:23 AM EDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Anyone else have a water tank in the bow?

Mine is leaking, the bolts through the side of it leak and the wood that holds 
the internal baffle that the bolts are there for is coming apart.

Now I need to get the 120 or so bolts off the top to fix it.



Joe

Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The tank is in my driveway right now, so I really hope it wasn’t part of the 
hull!
It has a baffle that is a piece of plastic that slides into grooved wood 
supports. Those supports are bolted through the side of the tank and those 
bolts now leak. Also 50 years in a water tank has gotten to the wood, it is 
coming apart.
The only way to replace the tank would be a custom build, it is not any 
standard shape, it is contoured to fit the hull. I am going to replace the wood 
with stainless angle brackets and this time seal the bolts up!
Joe
Coquina

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 10:44 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; Doug Mountjoy 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

Hi Joe,
It sounds like your tank is an integral part of the hull. Both my LF38 & LF39 
and my Sabre have plastic tanks in the bow. When I bought the 38 someone had 
put in a bladder tank. O removed it and put in a plastic tank. Not horribly 
difficult.


Douglas Mountjoy
1988 LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


On Tue, Oct 10, 2023, 08:39 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Anyone else have a water tank in the bow?
Mine is leaking, the bolts through the side of it leak and the wood that holds 
the internal baffle that the bolts are there for is coming apart.
Now I need to get the 120 or so bolts off the top to fix it.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Anyone else have a water tank in the bow?
Mine is leaking, the bolts through the side of it leak and the wood that holds 
the internal baffle that the bolts are there for is coming apart.
Now I need to get the 120 or so bolts off the top to fix it.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sail Paint

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I might have tried that, what I paid for new Sunbrella on my genoa more then 
doubled from the last time I had that done.
Joe
Coquina

From: robert fraser via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:23 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; robert fraser 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Sail Paint

Would like to hear from anyone who has used this paint for uv protection on 
dacron sails

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: September 23, 2023 12:04 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Stus-List Re: Sail Paint

Hey Bill,
That paint test is amazing.  Please try it amd report back.

Thanks,
Chuck S
On 09/22/2023 4:40 PM EDT Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Awhile ago there was discussion about solar leech protection, and sail graphics 
and the inflatable boat paint came up.
I just sawr this demonstration on Hamilton Marine website for their lobster 
buoy paint, and the video on it pretty much sold me. Now I want to remove the 
sticky stuff on my leech and try some of this!
https://hamiltonmarine.com/hmbuoypaint/


Bill Coleman
Erie PA
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Stus-List Everyone ready for Ophelia?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

This storm kind of snuck up on me, I am running around doing stuff right now. 
First off was to get the Whaler out of the water, she sits stern-to the opening 
to the marina that faces northeast, right where the wind is coming from.
Last one of these we left it too late and had to reverse into waves breaking 
across the engine. Do not recommend!

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

As a young lad we put my Penguin on a trailer and started pulling it down the 
road to the beach. The mast promptly hit the overhead power lines Thank God for 
a wooden mast!
Joe
Coquina

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:41 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Karl Kuzis ; Korbey Hunt ; 
Richard Bush 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

Yes, (chuckle, chuckle) step the mast, otherwise you will end up on one of 
those facebook epic fail pages..wouldn't want to see that!


1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, (out for repairs)
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] No Traffic

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I am still here. Maybe everyone is out sailing or died of heat stroke. 
Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 12:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeff Nelson 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List No Traffic

I've not seen an email on this list since Aug 29th.  Nothing in my spam 
foldersI'm guessing some new GMail setting perhaps...anyone have any 
suggestions?

Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
   C 30 - 549
   Armdale Y.C.

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Centerboard repair C 32

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

A general observation – it is very hard verging on impossible to fix wet rotted 
wood in situ. If there is any way you can remove it, you should try.
Joe Coquina

From: Macdara Vallely via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:10 PM
To: Richard Bush 
Cc: Stus-List ; Macdara Vallely 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Centerboard repair C 32

Thanks Richard.  Yes, I was wondering if the crack in the fibreglass at the 
stub was from an impact.  Nothing on the leading edge of the keel, but I'll 
check the cavity the next time I haul like you suggest.
Will report back on my repair with pics etc.
Appreciate the response.
Best,
Macdara

Ar Máirt 29 Lún 2023 ag 10:36, scríobh Richard Bush 
mailto:bushma...@aol.com>>:
Macdara; welcome to the list; there are many owners with the centerboard boats; 
 the mechanics of the centerboard is reasonable simple, however, the wear and 
tear on a given boat can be troublesome; your photos are good: I am not aware 
of any readily available replacement parts for C centerboards, but someone 
else on the list may have better information; I think your best bet is to get 
the boat in a sling and lower the board and look up in the cavity to see if 
there is any damage or rot; if there is, you can address it by re-glassing the 
area or encapsulating the rotted area;
these boats were built strong and it would take  something like a direct 
grounding to cause structural damage.
Good luck with your project and please report back with your findings and any 
repairs you decide to make;

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 10:23:12 AM EDT, Macdara Vallely via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hi,
I tried posting this before but not sure if anyone got it.
To cut a long story short, I want to repair the area where the CB hardware 
attaches to the bilge.
It is partially delaminated and the underlying wood is sodden and there is a 
little bit of rot appearing.
It's a daunting task and a potential can of worms, but if I leave it it's just 
going to get worse.
Anyone tackled anything like this before?  Anyone have the technical drawings 
for the area mentioned?
Thanks in advance,
Macdara
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Centerboard Woes

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

4.  March, use a space heater, to dry out the wood further - I've also heard 
acetone can be effective here.
Be careful with combining these two ideas or your insurance company will be 
paying off a total loss!

Joe
Coquina

From: Macdara Vallely via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 5:48 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Macdara Vallely 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Centerboard Woes

Hi Guys,
I have a 1982 C 32 CB.  It's a project boat that I've been working on for the 
past couple of years.

This winter I am planning on hauling out and tackling the area in the bilge 
where the stainless steel housing for the CB cable attaches to the laminated 
stub in the bilge.

As you will see from this 
video,
 and this 
photo
 the stub is quite delaminated on the port side.  There is some rotten wood 
inside, and .  I stuck a screwdriver in there and got about 1/8" of rotten 
wood.  There is no ingress of water that I can see, but I want to get on top of 
it before it deteriorates any further.

 To be honest, I am quite nervous about tackling this project.  I have 
experience recoring rotten decks and am quite good with fibreglass but am 
concerned about the issue of making a repair where there is such limited 
access, water saturated wood with some rot (can I get it dry enough to apply 
resin?), and the proximity to the mechanical CB fittings.

I would really appreciate any feedback on my plan of action, and if anyone has 
a better idea, I'd love to hear it.  I won't be offended.   Here goes:

1.  October.  Unstep the mast, haul out, and cover the boat.

 2.  Empty the bilge of all water, and and drill 1/8 holes across the stub to 
allow any water to drain out.

2a Also remove the stainless steel Centerboard housing, clean off surface rust 
and inspect with a view to a possible replacement (hopefully not) over the 
winter.

3.  Keep the boat as dry as possible over the course of the winter.

4.  March, use a space heater, to dry out the wood further - I've also heard 
acetone can be effective here.

5.  Use a syringe to fill the 1/8" holes with epoxy.

6.  Grind away the delaminated fibreglass, and create a beveled edge.

7.  Sand back the rotten (now dry wood).

8.  Build out the delaminated area with mat/cloth and epoxy resin.

9.  Sand, paint and replace the CB housing with 5200.

What do you think?  All thoughts appreciated and welcome.
Best,
Macdara



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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium battery source in USA?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Kilovault sells direct and ships or you can drive to Boston and get them 
yourself.

Joe

From: rockland bazemore via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 5:03 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt ; rockland bazemore 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Lithium battery source in USA?

I would highly recommend reading this and his other article about lithium. Rod 
is the master. He also has some suggestions on more affordable lithium. I 
started a spreadsheet I can share once I finish it on a lot of lithium options 
and specs. I'm leaning towards the kilovault as well but I would not buy them 
through amazon as you'll get zero support. Have a look. 
https://marinehowto.com/drop-in-lifepo4-be-an-educated-consumer/



--
Rockland Bazemore
S/V Blue Pearl
C 37/40+
Annapolis, MD
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

FYI – If you are worried about it getting loose, tie a line tight from the port 
to starboard rail that will hold it up in the trunk.
If you think the pivot is going to let go tie TWO lines!

Joe
Coquina
Ps – this all probably explains why you see a boat for sale every now and again 
with the board removed or missing.
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium battery source in USA?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Here you go:

https://kilovault.com/
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Do you suspect the centerboard is actually down?
Even in murky water, it seems like a 20 second dive would give you the answer, 
unless the murk is caused by something nasty you don’t want to swim in. You 
could always run a line from one side of the boat to the other and walk aft and 
see if you can tell if the board is hanging down.
Assuming it goes up and down as usual, the thunk would be side to side movement 
that the cable cannot change. Some boats just do this, I have heard of people 
swimming down and stuffing a sponge or two in the slot to get a quite night’s 
sleep.
Joe
Coquina

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 4:09 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement

Hi all; I have a 1985 C 37 with a centerboard; with the boat tied at the dock 
(we are at a fixed dock on a river) we notice a thunk sound that seems to be 
centerboard moving side-to-side when there was wave action; however, the 
centerboard cable remains tight and in its usual position (the centerboard is 
normally on the  "up" position, with the cable connected to a rope line which 
is on a cabin top winch. The line was replaced with new line last winter and is 
in good condition).  We were not able to see the bottom of the keel because the 
river water is too murky.

Does anyone have any suggestions or information about replacing the centerboard 
cable; can this be done in the water with a diver? Any other ideas welcome, 
thank you.


Richard
1985 C 37, CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255





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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: 37+ Steering Cable

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Between the steel bracket and the iron keel bolt backing plates on my boat, I 
get the idea that C, being based on a fresh water lake, occasionally forgets 
that salt and rust are a thing.
Joe
Coquina

From: Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 8:04 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bruce Whitmore 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 37+ Steering Cable

Hi Rob,

If you are in salt water, plan on replacing the idler pulley bracket.  The 
existing bracket is mild steel,  and where it sits on our boats is exposed to 
salt air.  By the way,  I had to send. My old bracket to Edson so they could 
reuse the pulleys because the new ones that came with the new aluminum bracket 
were too large.  You will also have an issue with the new bracket being thicker 
than the old one and holding the binnacle up a bit higher on the deck than 
before.  You may therefore have to make a spacer out of a piece of UHMW 
plastic.  It's a PITA job, but way better than having the steering fail.

Feel free to call me if you want more info.
Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 3:55 PM Rob Hamlin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thinking about my my off season punch list.

Steering system is next up, after motor mounts and running gear last year.

Any idea on cable and idlers required?

Thanks
Rob

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Atomic 4 reversing - help, help

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Nothing wrong with multi-viscosity oil at all. I use Shell Rotella 15W40 diesel 
oil. It has been a long time since single-weight oil was the only viable choice.
I even use Shell 15-50 in airplanes now that are right up there with the A4 for 
antique tech.

Joe
Coquina

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 1:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Atomic 4 reversing - help, help

Y'all piqued my  interest.  The Castrol website is a bit of a pain to find 
their motorcycle product specs.  Ultimately, I found all of the motorcycle oils 
are multi viscosity.  So it seems like Castrol is out of the picture.  I have 
little to no experience with Castrol tech support but can attest to phenomenal 
tech support from AMSOIL.  Call their tech support and explain the problem they 
can most likely find a product for your application based on friction 
coefficients and viscosity, not based on designated product application.

I was overwhelmed by the choices of hydro oil for my backstay.  The 
manufacturer simply said ISO 32.  What!?  Amsoil tech support was very helpful 
and found their power steering fluid to fit the bill.


Best of luck,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


Aug 1, 2023 11:28:58 Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>:
It's classification is API SP .. As I said look for API SF or older ( for our 
engines ). Several antifriction were added after SH/SF and in addition to that, 
they reduced the famous "ZDDP" additive which is so important for the last 
level protection to prevent oil breakdown. That ZDDP can clog catalist 
converter but our A4 don't have that problem  :-)

I've done a 5 day motoring with my A4 and it did not burn oil noticeably ( 
still close to the dipstick top mark ) and not really black/dirty. Still 
original 1975 A4 . I change oil twice a year and when it is hot since we don't 
have an oil filter.
Castrol site says a few things about motorcycle oils and this was the oil Moyer 
used to recommend on it's site..
MOTORCYCLE VS MOTOR OIL | Castrol® 
USA

MOTORCYCLE VS MOTOR OIL | Castrol® USA

Many drivers wonder if you can use normal oil for their motorcycles. Learn the 
key differences to settle the iss...
Sylvain
1975 C




On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:36:06 AM EDT, Paul Hood via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



This is the SAE30 oil I’m using.



https://www.okpetroleummarketplace.com/castrol-sae-30-hd-30-motor-oil-6-quarts.html





Paul Hood

416.799.5549



From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 10:09 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Atomic 4 reversing - help, help



I would think about an oil change and use oil designed for motorcycles with a 
wet clutch and see if that helps.



Joe

Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Atomic 4 reversing - help, help

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I always suggest asking A4 questions over at the Moyer Marine forum. They have 
some very knowledgeable posters over there.
BTW, did you use modern car oil with friction modifiers in the engine? They can 
make the transmission slip.
Joe
Coquina

From: Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 7:07 PM
To: Paul Hood 
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Sylvain Laplante 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 reversing - help, help

Hi,
  If you use automotive oil ( anything newer than API  SH ) there are too many 
additives in order to save friction, htis is bad for a wet clutch ( in 
motorcycles since the plates run in oil bath ) and also on the reverse band on 
the Atomic transmission. Recommended oil is either motorcycle oil or straight 
30 oil.

If you need a more granular adjustment for the transmission Moyer sells a 
modified adjusting collar.
https://moyermarine.com/product/improved-forward-adjusting-collar-orev_05_306/

Sylvain


On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 02:32:26 PM EDT, Paul Hood via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Hey all Atomic 4 owners, I have a problem with my reversing gear adjustment.  I 
have just dropped in the engine after oil pump work and reinstalled.



The reverse was never great, and I attributed that to the feathering prop but 
it is now slightly worse and I’m force to adjust.  I adjusted the reversing 
gear band with approximately 20 adjustments over the last 2 days to achieve 
what I have now, which is the best possible adjustment I could find, and it is 
still not great, nor usable.



If you’re familiar with the adjusting nut, the nut has 6 sides.  Each 
adjustment of the nut moves to the next flat so the spring can land flat on the 
nut, holding it in place from further turning.  Each turn is 1/6 of a 360 
degress or 60 degree each ( 16.6% of a full turn).  This is the flat spot for 
each minimum sustainable adjustment.



For me, the best adjustment is in-between these flat spots. It has the spring 
holding the adjusting nut, not flat on a side, but just offset of the nut 
knuckle (just over half way between the 2 flats, about 6% and 10% turn 
respectively off the last flat).  Its not a sustainable position and will 
likely and easily fall off to the nearest flat side in time.  At this position, 
the best it provides is a good forward, the absolute smallest of smallest 
neutral window and the reverse is still almost non-existing.  The reverse spins 
slightly but not fast and doesn’t increase much when revving the engine.
There is definitely no whine in the reverse as you should hear when fulling 
engaged.  If you have an atomic 4 you all know what I mean.



If I tighten the adjusting nut to the nearest flat side of the nut, the clamp 
band tightens too much and the neutral window is gone, the reverse is strong 
but it is over-riding the forward and although I have good reverse and a whine 
with good motion, forward shifting does results in a stall as the reverse and 
forward override each other.  Moving the adjustment nut to the nearest loosen 
flat, enlarged the neutral window but eliminates the reverse movement entirely.



I spoke with Ken at Moyer today and he suggested to remove the shaft/prop from 
the equation by temporarily disconnecting it as it is not likely, but might be 
a possible a cause to the problem.  If that is not the problem, he has no 
solution except to say, there is a piece to the puzzle missing.  There is a pad 
under the band that is like a brake drum pad but in the 50 years doing this, 
they have never seen one wear, a couple pads crack but they still worked fine.  
He said they could sell me a new reversing gear but won’t do that as he 
suggests there is nothing wrong with my reversing gear….just a piece to the 
puzzle missing.



I have not clue how to fix this and not sure what to do next.  Any suggestions 
from anyone….or do you have a contact that might be able to assist.



Paul Hood

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Aircraft fuel gauges suck! The tanks are very wide but shallow, so the readings 
are not very accurate. If you have the better capacitive fuel gauge senders 
that helps. If you think about a float gauge in a tank that is 4-6 inches tall, 
the float itself bottoms out at around 1/8 of a tank or so. Some airplanes have 
dihedral (wings angled up at the tips), so a sender at the bottom of the slope 
will read full at a half tank and one at the top of the slope would read empty 
at a half tank.
What I really like is a fuel totalizer, this is an instrument that measures 
fuel flow and gallons used. Some of them are linked to the GPS and will set off 
an alarm if your fuel looks to be used up before you reach your destination.
You too can buy capacitive fuel senders for not a lot of money. $500 or so will 
get you a totalizer, but many of them get inaccurate at the low flow rates 
typical of sailboats.
* Air Canada famously ran their 757 out of fuel because the fuel gauges had 
crapped out and they were relying on the totalizer. Their plan would have 
worked but for metric system confusion. They did something like ask for 2,000 
gallons of fuel and get 2,000 liters. They programmed the totalizer with 2,000 
gallons added and it did not know any better.
** Some sadistic engineer configured some Beech Barons with 4 fuel tanks and 2 
gauges. Entertainment ensues when you have the tanks switched to A and the 
gauges switched to B. How can we be out of gas, the gauges say full???


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:44 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt ; Peter W. ; 
cenel...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements



II am not a pilot but suspect that given the consequences of running out of 
fuel at 10,000 feet, a different technology is used for airplane fuel tanks—if 
not, I am sure such tanks are calibrated more accurately than most boat fuel 
tanks!

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Engine strangeness

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have a fuel pressure gauge that has proven enormously useful.

Joe
Coquina


From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 1:02 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

Dave,

Start with the fuel tank.  Look for crud in the tank and in the screen for the 
fuel pick up.  Check every hose clamp in the system. Be sure the overflow 
outlet is not plugged.  Be sure top of Racor is seated properly and vacuum 
gauge is tight.  Change the filters just for peace of mind.

Two stories - Racing on a friend's boat.  One the way to the start, engine 
stalled.  EVERY hose clamp on the fuel system was loose.  Tightened, bled and 
made the start.
My genset would start and die. Followed my advice..  Found loose hose barb, bad 
hose, bad clamp, then finally found the problem - the bleed screw was the loose.

Good luck!
Joel

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On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 12:46 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
So I am back to my engine problem hoping someone can help clarify things.  I 
have had the engine quit several more times, but with no consistency as to when 
or why it happens. We were on a cruise recently and used it often and for long 
periods going in and out of harbors.  Mostly it worked fine but had it stall 
several times: start and run for a few minutes, then stall, restart then stall, 
restart then stall, then run fine for 20 min or more.  This happened in two 
separate situations a few days apart but no stall several other times.  In all 
cases, it has eventually restarted and ran for extended periods.  These 
intermittent problems are the hardest to diagnose in my experience.  This seems 
most likely to be a fuel related issue so now I am trying to fully understand 
the fuel system.

I installed a Racor 500 unit last summer with a T-handle vacuum gauge on top.  
Fuel goes from the tank, through the shutoff lever to the Racor, then to the 
fuel pump, then to the secondary and on to the engine.  If I understand this 
correctly, the gauge on the Racor unit will measure restriction in the fuel 
flow upstream of the gauge, ie the primary (30 µm in my case). I know the 
gauge works because if you partially shut off the fuel lever, you see the gauge 
gradually increase in vacuum reading.  But it seems that it will not tell you 
if the secondary is plugged.

1. I don’t see how the secondary (10 µm in my case) could be plugged if the 
primary is fine but I guess not impossible.   My temptation is to replace the 
secondary since the primary is not showing any sign of being plugged (from the 
gauge), but I don’t see how this could lead to an infrequent intermittent stall.
2.  Fuel pump problem (loose wire etc.)?  You can hear the fuel pump running 
when the engine is off and I have never heard it stop or pause.  Can fuel pumps 
fail like this?  Can that lead to an intermittent stall?
3.  Air getting into fuel line- seems possible, but I don’t see how that can be 
the cause if the engine runs for an hour continuously once restarted.

Any ideas welcome!  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Dead Battery Charger

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have a ProNautic  (aka Sterling) 15 amp charger that has worked well for 
years now. It replaced a problematic TruCharge unit.
I only have it hooked to the house bank, if I want to charge the start battery 
I switch the combiner on. Note that you want the temp sensor, gel and agm 
batteries will not charge correctly without temperature compensation.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Force 10 Stove

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Does the standard American size Force 10 3-burner stove fit the C 35 MK I?
I would assume it does, but want to check.
I am thinking of going from CNG to propane, CNG is very hard to source now in 
most places.


Joe Della Barba
DCSI
410-966-7255


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ABYC Propane standards

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

CO might be a more useful detector than CO2.
FYI

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 12:09 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: ABYC Propane standards

I use a First Alert GC01
Plug it in at home during the off season, move it down to the boat in the 
summer.
CO2, Methane, Propane.
When away from the dock it runs on 9V Battery

Bill Coleman
Erie PA

On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 1:23 PM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I'm swapping out my old CNG 2 burner stove for a propane unit. My question is 
do I need a fume detector for the new propane  system? I know I need a shutoff 
valve.

Thanks in advance
Doug
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Ritchie Compass Repair

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I think I paid about $350.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:48 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Ritchie Compass Repair

How much did they charge? Mine has been sitting in a box for a few years due to 
a cracked dome and slow leak.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com<mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:40 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The good news: Not only is my leak fixed, I think they just sent me a new 
compass. I cannot identify any part that doesn’t look brand new. If it lasts 
another 50 years I will be happy.
The ??? news: The light is green instead of red. I am not sure I like this, I 
will have to see how it goes.
The bad news: I am not 100% sure it will mount without some effort, It is not 
obvious if it has the same screw holes.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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Stus-List Ritchie Compass Repair

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The good news: Not only is my leak fixed, I think they just sent me a new 
compass. I cannot identify any part that doesn't look brand new. If it lasts 
another 50 years I will be happy.
The ??? news: The light is green instead of red. I am not sure I like this, I 
will have to see how it goes.
The bad news: I am not 100% sure it will mount without some effort, It is not 
obvious if it has the same screw holes.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Universal Westerbeke Tachometer/Hour Meter

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have a Chinese knockoff of that tack I got for $32 on Fleabay and so far, so 
good.
Joe
Coquina

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 8:23 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Universal Westerbeke Tachometer/Hour Meter

Well, I pulled Touche's engine panel today and lo and behold, the label on the 
tach says Datcon 71725-00.  So don't pay $350 for the Westerbeke part when you 
can order the same part for $150,

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 8:06 PM Dennis C. 
mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well, gosh darn.  Touche's engine hour meter died (or went to sleep).  Engine 
is Universal 25XPB.  Boat is in yard 4 hours away so I'm just probing around 
the web for options.

First, it may be repairable.  Might just be a poor connection.  I probably 
won't tackle it until I get the boat back to its home slip in Louisiana in a 
couple weeks.  An hour meter isn't that critical.  However, on the chance that 
it isn't repairable, I have two options.

First, install a stand alone waterproof hour meter.  Cost $20-40 depending on 
selection and another hole in the bulkhead.

Second, replace the tachometer/hour meter.  Did that once already.  Here's 
where it gets interesting.  It's Westerbeke part 011917.  Typical online price 
is about $340 US.

https://westerbeke.com/Product/METER/011917?productname=METER=54202996DAF73B1CA82D59C6

So I Googled "tachometer/hour meter" and probed around.  Guess what?  A Datcon 
71725-00 tach/hour meter for about 1/3 of Westerbeke's price.  Looks identical. 
 Spec says data source is alternator which I believe the 25XPB is.  Here's the 
tach:

https://vehiclecontrols.com/shopping/shop700/products1/453057044-71725-00-datcon-tachometer-with-hourmeter-4000rpm/

Very interesting.  Could this be the same tach?  3 3/8" hole.  Next time I'm on 
the boat, I'll verify the diameter and alternator data sensor.  If I can't 
repair it, I'll replace it with the Datcon.  Anybody know why I shouldn't?


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] AC/DC Distribution panel upgrade

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I rewired my whole boat and used Blue Sea products.
I’ll grab some photos when I get a chance.
Joe
Coquina

From: Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 1:15 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Kevin Wright 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List AC/DC Distribution panel upgrade

Hi All,
I'm getting ready to replace the electrical panel on our boat with a Blue Seas 
8408. Has anyone done this? I would love to see some installation pictures and 
see how/what others have done and used for bus bars and terminal blocks?
Any other insight is more than welcome!
If you are brave, this is a link to a few pictures I took on the weekend.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/4y45cij1k400lslqcztab/h?dl=0=djc1c03vkuwhc4sl8dwrorn9v

Thanks
Kevin
1985 Landfall 43
Raven
Midland ON

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Yup – I just take a knife to it, cut it off, and replace every 5 years or so.
Joe
Coquina


From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2023 8:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

Interesting project.  As much as I like Amsteel and dyneema, I think the 
lifeline netting is better suited for less expensive line, like paracord or 
lashing cord.  Still, I appreciate the group's opinions and look forward to 
simple, leass expensive solutions.

Thanks,
Chuck S


On 04/02/2023 2:53 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Mine has never chafed through, I replace it when it looks scroungy.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2023 12:43 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bruno Lachance 
mailto:bruno_lacha...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

Dave, I have the same vintage more square shape toe rail profile . But with cow 
hitch around it there is not a lot of movement/friction. I don’t use my netting 
as a hammock!

Dyneema would sure be nice and durable, more slippery so the knots will slip a 
bit more. I have redone my lifeline with gray dyneema and love it so far after 
3 seasons. I do my best to prevent chafe.
Bruno Lachance

Le 2 avr. 2023 à 11:08, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :
On the 34+, the perforated aluminum toe rail has relatively sharp edges.  It 
cuts through my cover ties every winter, so I suspect it would do the same to 
nylon line wrapped through it.  That is why I am looking into dyneema netting.  
I am surprised yours has lasted 10 years with paracord.  What are you wrapping 
around at deck level?  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



On Apr 2, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have used black paracord. Looks like new after 10 years. Northern climate.

Bruno Lachance
Bécassine 33-2
New-Richmond, Qc
Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 2 avr. 2023 à 06:48, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

What line would you suggest would be best for a lifeline net?  Leechline?  
Lashing cord?  Paracord?

Chuck S
On 03/31/2023 10:14 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Here is what mine looks like:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/net.jpg


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I find it very useful to keep dogs, kids, and sails on deck. An adult is much 
more likely to go over the top.
Joe
Coquina

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:46 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Lifeline safety netting

Since I sail often single/double handed, I am thinking about adding lifeline 
safety netting to my boat.  It seems like it might be useful to prevent rolling 
off the deck into the water (ie. death).  Never having fallen off a boat, I am 
not sure if it is really worth it and if there are many scenarios where these 
might prevent disaster.  Does anyone have experience about the pro/cons of 
doing this?  Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: To sell or not to sell

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I would neither sell the boat nor truck the boat, just take her up there on her 
own bottom.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Cored hulls feedback wanted

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You are combining two issues.

  1.  Is the boat sound now? A good surveyor is the key to this. All these 
boats are old and all can have issues, cored or not cored.
  2.  Damage from reefs and rocks. At the point the hull has holes in it, the 
boat is in bad shape regardless and will need to be hauled and repaired if that 
is even possible. Sure the core will need replacing in the damaged areas, but 
that will be the least of your problems. End-grain balsa does not let water 
spread easily, so it isn’t like the whole core is saturated in a day.
I would not hesitate to sail a cored boat because of potential damage from 
collisions. My uncored boat would be totaled pretty quickly if she were holed 
on a reef with waves washing over. If I could get loose and patch a minor hole, 
I could also get loose and patch a hole in a cored hull too.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 7:06 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Cored hulls feedback wanted

As we once again consider a boat with cored hull (LF43 or LF38), I am reminded 
of why we eventually chose our current 35 four years ago. I couldn't be sure of 
the hull integrity without an expensive survey, and at the low price range we 
could afford, avoiding a cored hull just removed this concern.

But as I understand it, most C over 35' have been cored since the late 60s 
or early 70s depending on the model, so that includes a lot of boats, most of 
which are probably still sailing, albeit mainly coastal cruising or racing. Now 
as we consider the next boat for our long term offshore boat, things like 
potential hull damage from a reef or a collision in a remote part of the world 
are a concern.

So I am interested in hearing about experiences with cored C, problem which 
have occurred under both normal use and as a result of damage from impact, and 
how effectively they could be repaired.

I guess an additional question is how C's balsa coring compares with modern 
day foam coring, either with or without vacuum bagging. I assume foam has some 
advantages in not absorbing water.

Thanks.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sure – that was not meant to mean the boats have a problem or are bad in any 
way.
If people like them, they’ll keep them!
If you want a Catalina 40, there are tons of them to look at. That makes 
shopping easy. That doesn’t mean the boats are good, but they aren’t hard to 
find.
There are probably what – 4 or so LF 43s for sale on the entire planet? That 
means you’ll be taking what you can find, if you don’t like the color of the 
curtains or something that is too bad 

Joe
Coquina

From: david coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:13 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; david coleman 

Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Not being alot for sale is a sign of not too  many were made relative to other 
production boats and owners just like them .We have had ours over 15 yrs.With 
that said  I do have my price thatI would sale her for like everyone here has 
their price.We have moved to west coast  of Florida now.As for them sailing 
like a "dog" per a earlier comment  I disagree.They perform very nice for what 
they are designed for.Not sure I want to go offshore with a  a boat that does 5 
knots in a 7 breeze.

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 10:57 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the boat. 
Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for offshore than 
an Island Packet.
As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very few 
for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.

Joe
Coquina

BTW – there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is 
interested.

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Neil Andersen 
mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Caliber’s are Island Packet knock-offs

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sail costs

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

$2k
I spent more than half that for a UV strip replacement!

Joe
Coquina

From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:24 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Randal Stafford 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Sail costs

Hey Chuck,

I paid ~$2K for a new Genoa a year ago.  Sailmaker is Hyde (I also have a Hyde 
main, ~3 years old).  It’s a basic Dacron sail, designed for furling, with UV 
strip.  I chose a weight good to 20 kts.  A local guy measured for it and 
ordered it for me.

Cheers,
Randy
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 18, 2023, at 9:54 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I 
decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 for 
$700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing horizontal 
battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be furled.  
I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service oriented, 
came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took time to 
evaluate my sails and offer options.

Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the boat. 
Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for offshore than 
an Island Packet.
As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very few 
for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.

Joe
Coquina

BTW - there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is 
interested.

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Caliber's are Island Packet knock-offs

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Motor Mounts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Another thought,
Are the *bolts* stripped or the steel plate? Is it as easy as new bolts?
I did an emergency repair on my old Atomic 4 once by just using one tap size up 
to re-tap a stripped hole in the block, that may also work if you can get the 
engine out of the way and have a straight vertical shot at it.

Joe
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Motor Mounts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I am not sure if this helps, but the C 35 engine mount is angle-iron that is 
bolted horizontally through the stringer and then the engine mount bolts go 
into vertical tapped holes.
That could possible be adapted for this case???
Joe
Coquina

From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 8:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeff Nelson 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Motor Mounts

Yes! That would be a great option as well, if a larger bolt size isn't possible 
for re-tapping, then just drill out
enough for the heli-coil of the right bolt size and good to go.


Cheers,

  Jeff Nelson

  Muir Caileag

  C 30 - 549

  Armdale Y.C.
On 2023-03-10 09:21, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
Or a heli-coil

Joel

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 8:11 AM Rob Hamlin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks Jeff that was my other question, what’s under the fiberglass.

Yes I was able to get the bolts out.  Good thought on retapping and larger size.

-Rob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>
> Well that's going to be fun.  Have you been able to take the old bolts out, 
> and is it possible to tap a new thread
> next size up?  That would be easiest solution.  Otherwise, Major 
> re-construction in your future, I see.
> Good news, If yours is like my 30, it is a big mass of fiberglass topped with 
> a steel plate.  Maybe you could wap
> it with a new steel plate and through drill it from the sides to secure it.  
> Otherwise grinder and lots of new
> fiberglass.
>
> Cheers,
>  Jeff Nelson
>  Muir Caileag
>  C 30 - 549
>  Armdale Y.C.

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: UV Strip

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Bacon’s told me their price for the material had recently doubled, so socks 
probably cost more too.
On the other hand a sock works for ALL sails, not just one, and you can get it 
repaired without dragging the whole sail into the loft.

Joe
Coquina

From: Richard Servance via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 9:58 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Servance 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: UV Strip

I just had North replace the UV cover on my 135%. It was a boat buck ($1k). 
Hadn't heard of the sock method; so not sure if it's still an option from them.

Sail safe,


Richard Servance

S/V Blue Heaven (C 34+)

757-995-3416
@svblueheaven
Seattle, WA



On Thu, Mar 2, 2023, 6:26 AM Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had the UV strip replaced on my 135% last year by Doyle Sails here...all in 
cost was $575 CDN .Old UV strip 12 to 13 years old and cracking/splitting.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2023-03-02 9:09 a.m., Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
My post about this from last June:
“The UV cover on my genoa is starting to fail, so I took it to Bacons to get 
repaired. I figured 5 or 6 boat bucks maybe. Well I figured wrong, the estimate 
came back at $1350! Yikes!
Are they nuts or is this the going rate now? That seems like a pretty good 
chunk of an entire sail!”

That included about $375 worth of repairs, but still at about $1000 for the UV 
strip I think it was double the last time I had that job done.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA




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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

That stuff is nasty – I would not put that on a sail.


Joe Della Barba



From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

Inflatable boat paint?  Wonder how long paint lasts on a sail?

C
On 03/01/2023 8:55 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I thought we resolved this problem last year. Didn't the general consensus come 
out that the best solution is using inflatable boat paint to paint the UV 
protection on?
Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Wed, Mar 1, 2023, 08:46 Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Don,

You mentioned that you replaced the sun cover on your furling sail.

I am interested at the costs, as when I tried last year, I couldn't find a 
solution that was cost effective. The costs of replacing the sun cover (and I 
wanted just a Dacron sacrificial one; nothing fancy) was around 60%-80% of the 
cost of a new sail.

My boat is smaller (27'), so the sails are smaller and cheaper.

I ended up ordering a new furling sail. The original lasted 10 years. Actually, 
it is still fine, except the sun cover is UV damaged.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa On



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 Original message 
From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 2023-02-28 17:31 (GMT-05:00)
To: Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Don Kern mailto:don-k...@cox.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

Glen,

My C 35 Mk2 carries for racing #1 (155% '22), #2 (137% '07), #2 reacher (129% 
'95), #3 (110% '19), and #4 (85% '18).  I usually push my sails for 20 yrs - 
(the older #1 '02 vintage still decent, but not good enuf for racing.  For 
cruising have a furling #2 (137% '98) which I just got back from North with a 
replaced sun cover (no foam), because the sun cover's original stitching had 
failed.  The old reacher is carried on board only for long distance racing on 
Buzzard's Bay, RI Sound and Long Island Sound.  The  #2 furling, and #4 were 
purchased as second-hand sails.  Most racing is done with the #1 and  #2, with 
the #3 and #4 used in "remind me that this is FUN!!" conditions.  It is my 
opinion that a furling sail does not hold its aerodynamic shape when you start 
rolling it in. When racing I put reefs in the main before I downsize the 
genoas. JMHO

Don Kern
C Mk2, Fireball
Bristol, RI

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Stus-List Half Century Club

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Coquina is 50 this year. Who else do we have at or past the half-century mark?


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Battery equalization

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Equalization will usually destroy a gelled-electrolyte battery with one 
exception: Lifeline AGMs can be equalized and should be. If you have Lifelines 
I would do it per their exact procedure. For all other gel and AGM, I would say 
no.
Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Insurance - again

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Same way as any other boat!

From: David Risch via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:59 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Insurance - again

How do you sink a Hinkley?

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 11:01 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: djhaug...@juno.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance - again

Kind of a side note to this.  An owner of the company he works for bought a 
completely renovated Hinkley 60 in Florida.  He left Florida in it to bring it 
back to New England and it sank 100 miles off shore.   Insurance said he 
shouldn't have been more that 40 miles of shore and they aren't covering the 
loss.   I saw the listing for the boat and the coat guard coverage of the 
rescue.  The boat listed fur just under $1,000,000!

They are fighting it.   As was already stated, read the policy (and replace 
your standing rigging!).

Danny

On Jan 3, 2023 10:32 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Happy New Year!

I've been looking for insurance to cover our boat in the Caribbean and Med.

READ THE POLICY BEFORE YOU BUY!

I got what I thought was a good quote through a British broker until I read 
that the value of the mast decreased by 5% per year - i.e. a 20 year old mast 
was not insured.

Joel
Rule One Hylas 49
Former owner The Office C 35/3

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Boatyards in SE

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Another vote for North Carolina. I keep being amazed at how much more we pay 
around Annapolis for the same kind of work, for a major job like painting the 
topsides it is well worth the 3 days or so to sail down there and have someone 
there do it.
I would stay away from the East Coast of Florida actually, crowds and high 
prices are what you are likely to find.
On the plus side for here, my insurance is about 1/3 of what it would be if I 
moved south, the Chesapeake is considered a much lower hurricane risk because 
we get more lead time, have a lot of good hurricane holes, and almost all 
hurricanes cross land before getting to us and lose strength.
FYI
Joe
Coquina
Kent Island MD USA

From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 10:30 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Boatyards in SE

Also consider yards in coastal or the sounds of NC. Plenty of DIY yards in the 
Pamlico Sound, Neuse River, Albemarle Sound, Southport, NC.

Those away from the Atlantic coast are mostly very reasonable in cost with 
decent amenities and most allow DIY work although boats with drafts of ~ 5+ ft 
may have difficulties in or getting to some facilities.

Yard fees are much higher near the coast but if you want to mostly work on the 
boat, you can save big away from the coast—plus within a days sail/motor you 
can be on the ocean.

The winds up in the rivers/sounds are on the lighter side but for all practical 
purposes there are no tides, currents, fog and the bottom is soft but very 
black mud.

FWIW

Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
Water Phantom
New Bern, NC


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Battery question

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The batteries need to be all the same type, you can’t mix different chemistries.

From: Doug via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 9:20 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Battery question

That was my thought, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.



Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C & C Landfall 39
Port Orchard Yacht Club
+1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp
+52 669-267-4740 phone


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Battery question

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You don’t need 2 house banks. Go ahead and make one big one.

Joe

From: Doug via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:50 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Battery question

I live aboard 8 months a year, the other 4 months all electric power is turned 
off. The boat put away on the hard. I have 2 300 Ah house banks. They are both 
in use all the time. Charging is accomplished by 440 watts of solar, or the 
alternator.  My start battery is only charged by the alternator or battery 
charger on the rare occasions I'm plugged into shore power. The alternator 
charges all batteries via a battery isolator. There is no other connection 
between the house bank and start battery.
My question is why do I need 2 separate house banks? This thought all started 
while trying to figure out the best way to keep the start battery charged in 
the off season.
If I make one house bank, then I can use one of the old house bank battery 
switches to combine all batteries when needed.

Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C & C Landfall 39
Port Orchard Yacht Club
+1 253-208-1412
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Stus-List Everyone unfrozen?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I hope all of you are unfrozen and dug out!

I did a last-second winterizing job right before the front came through, now I 
get to un-winterize, change the oil, and hope it stays above freezing or get to 
do it again.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Encapsulating keel

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

That would be a very large undertaking to say the least.
Maybe use the low-budget Mexicans to move the engine instead??
If you do want to make an internal keel out of an external one, that is going 
to be a lot more than one layer of glass and it will need to run up the hull 
sides quite a bit. You would more or less be adding a whole new bottom onto the 
boat.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: Doug via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 12:42 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Encapsulating keel

I have a question for everyone here. Here in mexico where labor is cheap and 
craftsmanship is good. I'm wondering about fully encapsulating my keel. The 
thought behind this would be to eliminate the worry of my keel bolts. I can see 
(access) a total of 2. There is one under the mast and who knows how many below 
the engine down about 3 feet.
Just a thought as I don't show any signs of a loose keel yet.



Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C & C Landfall 39
Port Orchard Yacht Club
+1 253-208-1412

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Selling my 1975 MKII

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

If someone cranked on it without it starting, it may have gotten flooded via 
the exhaust. Usually on a diesel that is a death sentence, but you might get 
lucky if you pull the glowplugs or injectors and squirt Marvel Mystery Oil in 
there. Best case all that happened is a little water caused the rings to rust 
onto the cylinder walls.
Worst case is bent/broken rods and other internal mayhem.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: Kevin Benoit 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 12:03 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Selling my 1975 MKII

It is the original Westerbeke Four-60.  It ran a year ago and turned over but 
didn't start 6 months ago.  Last week it wouldn't even turned over.  Couldn't 
turn it via flywheel either but I didn't spend much time on it.  It still has 
oil in it.  My gut says that someone that knows what they are doing can get it 
going.  That said, it is really undersized for the boat. 15 knots of headwind 
and you are not making much progress at all.  So I would recommend planning to 
replace it.


Kevin Benoit
225-205-2373


On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 8:43 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
What kind of engine is it that is seized?


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 12:15 PM
To: Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
mailto:j...@motiondesignslimited.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Selling my 1975 MKII

ah a 1975 C 35 mk II

JKC

On 2022-12-11 9:57 a.m., Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote:

Sorry, late to the conversation, which model of 1975 mkII ?

JohnKelly Cuthbertson



www.candcyachts.com<http://www.candcyachts.com>

Motion Designs Limited

647 990 7752


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Selling my 1975 MKII

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

What kind of engine is it that is seized?


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 12:15 PM
To: Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List 
Cc: JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Selling my 1975 MKII

ah a 1975 C 35 mk II

JKC

On 2022-12-11 9:57 a.m., Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote:

Sorry, late to the conversation, which model of 1975 mkII ?

JohnKelly Cuthbertson



www.candcyachts.com

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

100 PSI is enough to run down a hose to a diver, but not to fill tanks.

Joe

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 6:41 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

Oh!
Never mind!!
Bill Coleman

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:23 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Usually at least 2500-3000 PSI.

Joe



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 7:50 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

how much pressure do you need? I've got a compressor on mine but it only makes 
100 lb. But it is 12 volts.
Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Sun, Dec 4, 2022, 22:16 David NCW via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thx i need to run a dive compressor

On Sun, Dec 4, 2022, 6:05 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You may want to expand your list to the C Landfall 43. They had generators as 
a factory option, so they definitely have room.
You also may want to think about if you need a genset at all. With modern 
charging, solar, and battery systems, the only real need for one now is air 
conditioning when on the hook.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: David NCW via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2022 8:17 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: David NCW mailto:l8ap...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List CnC 44 mounting genset

Hi my first post, I hope it is to the right place.  I really like the CnC 44.  
Is on the short list of my retirement boat candidates.  Is there a good spot to 
mount a small diesel Genset?
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Dave
Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills.  Make a 
contribution at:
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Thanks for your help.
Bill Coleman
Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills.  Make a 
contribution at:
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Bill Coleman
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Usually at least 2500-3000 PSI.

Joe



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 7:50 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

how much pressure do you need? I've got a compressor on mine but it only makes 
100 lb. But it is 12 volts.
Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Sun, Dec 4, 2022, 22:16 David NCW via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thx i need to run a dive compressor

On Sun, Dec 4, 2022, 6:05 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You may want to expand your list to the C Landfall 43. They had generators as 
a factory option, so they definitely have room.
You also may want to think about if you need a genset at all. With modern 
charging, solar, and battery systems, the only real need for one now is air 
conditioning when on the hook.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: David NCW via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2022 8:17 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: David NCW mailto:l8ap...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List CnC 44 mounting genset

Hi my first post, I hope it is to the right place.  I really like the CnC 44.  
Is on the short list of my retirement boat candidates.  Is there a good spot to 
mount a small diesel Genset?
Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills.  Make a 
contribution at:
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Thanks for your help.
Dave
Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills.  Make a 
contribution at:
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Thanks for your help.
Bill Coleman
Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills.  Make a 
contribution at:
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Thanks for your help.

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marina/boatyard fires

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Trying to get a small photo through
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marina/boatyard fires

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The missing neutral back on shore causes all the boats on 1 leg to be in series 
with all the boats on the other leg.
If there are only two boats and each has a 1200 watt heater on, they will be 
fine. If one boat has a 1200 watt heater and one boat has a 120 watt lightbulb, 
the boat with the lightbulb will get most of the voltage.
My calculations for that show the 120 volt lightbulb getting 218 volts.


Joe Della Barba

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 8:55 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: George Cone 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

As an amateur electrician (boy, that should scare you), I don't understand why 
the failure of the neutral will cause a fire? Yes all 110 taps will be dead- 
correct?, and it is possible the 220 feeds will vary in voltage, but why a fire 
opportunity?

George Cone
C 40
Burlington, VT

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 7:52 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

FYI:
With the neutral feed disconnected, unless by random chance the loads on the 
two legs of the dock are equal, some boats will get a lot less than 120 volts 
and some a lot more.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I think a bigger issue might be the person with no tools would not know how to 
use them if he had them!
Tool 1 might be this book: Nigel Calder’s Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical 
Manual

Joe

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK I 170%

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My boat sails quite well with just the genoa. Prior to roller furling this was 
a pain, wind changes were sail changes, but now it makes life easy cruising 
Joe
Coquina
Ps – back in the day the 170s were not exotic racing sails, they were just the 
normal light air sail. They worked (and still work) just fine in the light 
stuff, the biggest issue was seeing around them. I almost t-boned a humpback 
whale that was napping on the surface out of my view on the low side, the whale 
exhaled and sank just enough for us to glide over him. He was not happy to be 
disturbed though, he swam over to ANOTHER boat and did a big jump to spray them 
LOL


From: John McCrea via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 10:01 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I 170%

The good thing about the older design is that when cruising, you can sail with 
just the genoa. I drive some friends crazy with their modern euro boats that 
cannot sail without the main up. I am pushing 7 knots, towing a dinghy with a 
135 genoa in a 15 knot breeze and they can not keep up under full sail. Most 
modern boats today fall into that category.

John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT

From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:34 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: wolf...@erie.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I 170%

I don’t think that’s correct.  My boom is very small compared to the size of 
the boat, and my mast appears to be placed a bit forward of normal.  I assume 
the 1975 design was IOR driven.

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 4:33 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>; CHARLES 
SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I 170%

I thought the shorter boom was due to designers placing the mast further back 
to get a large J measurement so 150% genoas were bigger.  More sail area 
overall.

Chuck S

Stus-List C 35 MK I 170%

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Does anyone still use 170% genoas?
I have two that are old but with very little use. I’ll send them for shipping 
if anyone needs one or both. They are cut as deck-sweepers, if you have furling 
gear it needs to be the kind that comes off.

Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Re: 35 MK I Mainsheet and Vang

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The first test of the 4:1 mainsheet was a resounding success, it works great in 
light/medium air. I still need to grab the 6:1, I can see this being beyond my 
strength in heavy air. This brings up a new issue, the preventer. Since what 
was my preventer is now my mainsheet, I did not have a preventer and really 
hate running wing and wing without one. I rigged up a temporary solution 
running a line from the boom to a block on the rail and back to the cockpit. 
That worked fine and was IMHO a lot safer to deal with than releasing a 
preventer by going on deck and getting if off the boom. I could have rigged 
lines to both sides and had it set for either tack from the cockpit.
So has anyone rigged a preventer system like that you don't need to be up on 
deck to use?
Has anyone just forgotten about it and used a boom brake instead? I have 
figure-8 stainless boom brake device I have not ever got around to rigging.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Blocks under forward most keel bolt material?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Not looking forward to this, I thought I was done fixing this stuff ☹
The stock mast step does not come out without a lot of help from a hammer and 
chisel, I spend days on my knees chopping it out. My new one won’t come out 
either, it is thoroughly epoxied to the boat. I am not sure if I have this 
issue, but if I do I’ll need to work around the mast step. The first problem 
will be the 49 years of old oil, scum, and algae that have made that glass 
probably as nonstick as Teflon.
That bolt sticks up some, I could add layers of G10 glass and epoxy right over 
it and still get the nut back on.
We are talking about the very forward bolt, right? I will be even more annoyed 
if I have to fix ALL of them! All the rest seem to torque up just fine and do 
not look obviously compromised.
If I end up having to take the mast step back apart you might just see the 
first C 35 trawler cruising around!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: steven.hickel--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 2:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: steven.hic...@gmail.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Blocks under forward most keel bolt material?


Dennis and Neil, thank you so much for the very quick and extremely helpful 
replies.

Neil, if I understand correctly, you took off all of the fiberglass on top of 
the blocks, and tabbed a fiberglass board on the top and on the forward face, 
creating a boxed corner around them and replacing the lost height. And you left 
the wood blocks in place, encased in more resin, rather than replacing them 
with fiberglass blocks/ boards? Was assuming I'd need to replace the blocks to 
avoid the same issue later.

Looks like I'll need to grind out and replace what seems to be a very eaten 
away backing plate on the bolt. Is there a particular type of (am assuming) 
stainless steel that should be used?

As per the smile. I'm actually addressing that now. And I didn't notice the 
fiberglass separation around the forward smaller bolt until after tightening it 
to close the smile I added a picture before mostly filling the gap and will 
finish fiberglassing it on the first dry day. There seemed to be lot of resin 
and perhaps filler/ mat, instead of cloth in the lower area above the joint, 
though I don't know what's original. Some of it had cracked. You can also see a 
hairline crack in the picture where, after grinding exposed it, water drops 
were slowly leaking out from water in the bilge.

As per the mast step, did you have the mast out or is there a way to raise it a 
little and support it from below to get access underneath? Were you able to get 
to the wood board underneath and replace it without grinding out that big block 
of resin between it and the mast step?

The boat is on the hard at evers Marina in the Bronx. Have to get it ready to 
go back in the water in next week. If you come this way from Glen Clove and 
have the time, please reach out. Would be great to get input from someone 
familiar with all of this.

Thank you so much for the help!

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Photo Album site

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I can confirm that - it is alive!

-Original Message-
From: Stu via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 9:37 AM
To: Karl Kuzis via CnC-List 
Cc: Stu 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Photo Album site

I just checked it, and the Photo Album site is up and running -- 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/

Stu

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Likewise that works on my MK I.
Where I plan to use it is on the bow where the anchor and chain sometimes 
contact the hull.

Joe
Coquina

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2022 11:31 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

I used snatch blocks attached to the toe rail, one on either side and aft of 
the tracked roller cars to prevent jib sheets chafing the cockpit coaming on 
their way to the winch. Worked fine on a 35MKII

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 10:11 AM MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I was told by a customer this week that it does not hold up very well.   
Nevertheless it looks like something that is worth trying.

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee - 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I knew someone whose boat was hit by lightning and then the keel fell off! I 
suspect it was barely hanging on to start with though……….

Joe

From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 9:13 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

Interesting read. Fortunately Callisto's keel and bolts seem to be in great 
shape. One thing not covered in the article was lightning damage. A friend's 
Hylas was just discovered to have keel damage caused by a lightning strike, and 
had to have the keel dropped and re-bedded, and presumably some bolts re-cast 
into it. Fortunately insurance covered it, even though the strike occurred 
several years ago on the east coast.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 6:31 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Interesting indeed - especially the part about freeze/thaw  keel casting 
failures.he attributes these to bolt deterioration, but I expect that 
leaking bedding, imperfect casting, or lose bolts may also contribute.

Here’s what casting failure looks like:

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/09/mid-1980s-c-keel-issues.html?m=1

Dave Syer 33-2

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Input on C designed Harpoon 4.6?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I haven’t sailed one, but from what I have heard they are not the fastest 
dinghies around but pretty indestructible.
Joe

From: Wyatt via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:39 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Wyatt 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Input on C designed Harpoon 4.6?

Hi there, I'm strongly considering picking one of these C, but 
Boston Whaler produced Harpoon 4.6s:

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/designs/harpoon/harp461.htm
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/harpoon-46

Anyone have any input on these? I had an O'Day DSII (17') which I loved for 
lake sailing...but a small C dinghy sounds like a lot of fun too.

Thanks!
Wyatt

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I am safe from that, the deepest the water ever freezes is a couple of inches 
down from the surface and even that is rare. Plus unless the power goes out the 
heat in the cabin is set for about 50F when I am not around.
All the live-aboards string fresh water houses around the marina on the bottom 
and pull them up when they need water, they never freeze 6 feet underwater.
I have seen wet rudders split on the hard when we have extra-cold winters. If I 
ever sat on the hard in winter I might drill a drain hole in the rudder or take 
it home and put it inside somewhere.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Dave S via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 9:31 AM
To: kenhea...@gmail.com; C Stus List 
Cc: Dave S 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

Interesting indeed - especially the part about freeze/thaw  keel casting 
failures.he attributes these to bolt deterioration, but I expect that 
leaking bedding, imperfect casting, or lose bolts may also contribute.

Here’s what casting failure looks like:

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/09/mid-1980s-c-keel-issues.html?m=1

Dave Syer 33-2


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 27, 2022, at 7:17 AM, Ken Heaton 
mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com>> wrote:

An interesting read from MarsKeel Technology, Keel Maintenance By: William 
Souter
https://46in1h3fzpsy3uz5el3ytm6p-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Keel_Repair_White_Paper.pdf

Ken H.

On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 16:29, Dave S via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I’ve been following this thread a little bit, And I can’t help but wonder if 
the lead doesn’t creep a tiny bit over time.  There’s a lot of compression 
involved.  It wouldn’t take much to see a reduction in bolt torque.

Dave 33-2
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 26, 2022, at 2:27 PM, John Irvin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

What do Mars Keels have to say?

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: G Donald Wagner via CnC-List
Sent: September 25, 2022 7:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; G Donald 
Wagner
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

I believe our C yachts use lead doped with  a percent of Antimony. The 
Antimony adds strength, hardness, oxidation resistance,  and aids in the flow 
for the casting process.
It not like pure lead, and the properties are not the same. maybe we have some 
metallurgists in the group, and they can comment ?

Don Wagner
C 41 CB
"Der Baron"
-Original Message-
From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Sent: Sun, Sep 25, 2022 2:32 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
I hadn’t thought of that! The keel is slowly getting shorter. If I keep the 
boat another 50 years I won’t be aground at extra-low tide!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: Leeward Rail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 1:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Leeward Rail mailto:leeward_r...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

The keel bolts are in lead. Lead is soft and eventually they would pull upwards 
slightly.  I would assume that is why.   I have been planning to contact 
MARSKEEL and get some pro info.

Stus-List Re: Partially furling the genoa when racing

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I don't normally have any headsails aboard but my furling genoa. Like most 
cruising boats, it gets used rolled all the way out, hardly any of it out, and 
everything in between.
The boat is obviously faster with the racing sails that don't have a big round 
obstacle as a luff assuming I have the crew to use them, but if I were to race 
with the furling genoa it never occurred to me that I wouldn't roll it in or 
out as needed.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

That is half the reason I am interested, hauling heavy hunks of lead around is 
tough on the back past a certain age, never mind the effect on the boat.
Joe
Coquina

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 11:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries

flooded 8D is 160 pounds.  200 aH Lifepo is 40.

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

A 100 AH 24 volt battery and a 200 AH 12 volt battery hold the same amount of 
power.
Assuming they are using 100 AH cells, the 12 volt will have 2 sets of 4  in 
series in the case that are then in parallel and the 24 volt version will have 
all 8 in series. You could literally open the case and change a 12 to a 24 volt 
or back again, BMS issues aside.
Don’t forget the lithium batteries in a standard-size case may not be using all 
the real estate inside that case either, it isn’t like lead-acid where a 
certain capacity means a certain size.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 2:33 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Lithium Batteries

These are confusing, they have a 24 V that looks similar in size to the 
lifeline 8D, but the 8D is 255 Ah, and the 

SOK 24V 100Ah LiFePO4 Battery 


is only 100 Ah - are they supposed to be equal, even with that disparity?

Blil Coleman
Entrada Erie PA

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 4:45 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I think I am going to get 2 of these:
https://www.us.sokbattery.com/product-page/sok-12v100ah-lifepo4-battery

Advantages I see:

  1.  Two of them means a dead BMS only takes half the bank offline, not 100% 
of your power.
  2.  They have heaters for the very rare times the cabin might be below 
freezing.
  3.  They have Bluetooth for access to the BMS.
  4.  I saved the best for last, if the BMS craps out or you just want a better 
one, just open it up and replace it! This is NOT possible with most batteries 
unless you cut them apart.
  5.  See 4, a dead cell can be replaced.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Bed-It butyl tape

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Have you tried the West Marine version?
Also RV shops are known to stock some versions of this.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 12:07 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Bed-It butyl tape

Looking to buy a new roll of Bed-it butyl tape.  Anybody buy it recently?

Seems the old supplier has a dead end link to "sailboatowners.com".

I tried a few google searches but they were all dead ends except one selling a 
roll for $40.  I have a roll from SailRite that is crap.  It was fine when new, 
but after some months onboard this summer, it's now a real struggle to remove 
from it's own wax paper and stretches and breaks.  Had to use a putty knife to 
get the wax paper off.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis

Stus-List Re: Engine tachometer

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

All that or the tach itself has gone whacky. You could put a scope on the tach 
output wire or another tack and see.
My cheap Chinese tack will occasionally decide to wander around a bit and then 
settle back down.

Joe
Coquina


From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 9:26 AM
To: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Cc: Neil Gallagher 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Engine tachometer

On small diesels the tach gets its information from the alternator, it uses the 
frequency of the alternating current, proportional to the alternator's RPM, 
before the current goes through the rectifiers to be converted to DC.  This 
could mean the electrical connection on the alternator for tach (usually 
terminal marked "W") could be loose, or a bad connection between the alternator 
and the tach.  If the speed showed slower it could mean the belt is slipping 
but in your case it's showing higher, so more likely in the connections or in 
the tach itself.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY
On 7/26/2022 7:03 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
Yesterday, I was motoring and noticed that the engine tachometer was acting 
strangely.  It would read 4000 rpm for a while and then drop back to 2000 rpm 
(roughly correct).  Then it would go up to 3000 rpm and hold there.  It kept 
bouncing around while the actual engine was steady, so it was just the tach.  I 
have no idea where the data comes from, what would cause this, and whether to 
worry about it.  The engine is a Universal M4-30.  Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: No recent mail - now alternator belt

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My battery charger does have a lithium setting, so that part is covered.
What I don’t have is the DC-DC charger I’ll need to charge lithium from the 
engine bank.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 12:48 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Chris Riedinger 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: No recent mail - now alternator belt

Why not just get a solar panel and some AGM batteries? Lithium requires new 
charger, AGM profile for charging is often available on legacy chargers.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 6:28 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
To add to my fun it was about sunset and my batteries are about shot. I had 16 
miles to go and didn’t want run on battery power, so digging through my spare 
belts it turns out they were all too short ☹ I had to swap alternators back to 
the one that uses the shorter belts, so a 10 minute job became quite a bit 
longer.
I think I need to quit researching lithium batteries for the 25th time and just 
pick one!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: No recent mail - now alternator belt

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

To add to my fun it was about sunset and my batteries are about shot. I had 16 
miles to go and didn’t want run on battery power, so digging through my spare 
belts it turns out they were all too short ☹ I had to swap alternators back to 
the one that uses the shorter belts, so a 10 minute job became quite a bit 
longer.
I think I need to quit researching lithium batteries for the 25th time and just 
pick one!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sea Foam

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

No Atomic 4s have air filters, just flame arresters.
Joe

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:23 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Sea Foam

I question even the need for an air filter on these boats. My Nanni Kubota came 
with a tuned intake, a plastic piece that I think is supposed to cut down on 
the noise, but it looked like the opening of a clarinet. No screen or paper or 
anything. And my current I'd be just has a simple screen over the turbo, about 
6 in diameter by 2 inches wide. Looks like it would keep flies out, but not 
smaller bugs if they should should be so unlucky as to to get in the engine 
compartment. As I mentioned before, the oil in my boat is clean as a whistle, 
as compared to the Kubota in my lawn mower which is black as tar after probably 
100 hours, because of the filthy air, even with a pretty good paper air filter.

Thanks

Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie PA

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone!
I’ll just go measure the winch, I can’t seem to find that spec anyplace online.
As for the springs, last time I greased the winches one launched itself 
overboard. Back then they were in stock at West Marine. Maybe not so much now?


Joe Della Barba
From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 3:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions


Can't help with the diameter, Joe, got 22's on my 25, and 25's, 28's, and 32's 
on Imzadi.



To prevent losing anything over the side, go to Office Depot and buy a 
cardboard box that is X by X by X, where X is a comfortable amount larger than 
the diameter of your winch base. I use 4" larger myself.



Or you can go to the post office and get a large flat rate priority mail box. 
Probably larger than you need, but it is free.



Assemble the box and remove the top flaps. Cut a hole in the bottom the 
diameter of the winch base. Put the box over the winch, and anything that jumps 
and anything you drop or spill falls into the box.



As far a springs go, as someone already said there is a source for Barient 
parts in New Zealand, though I don't believe it is Arco.

But check with your local West Marine first, that is where the packet of spare 
pawl springs for my Barient winches came from a few years ago, and I presume 
they still sell them.



Rick Brass

Washington, NC

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Sent: Jul 13, 2022 2:23 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Barient 26 winch questions


Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35 MK I?
Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard can I 
still get more?
Thanks!
Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Barient 26 winch questions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35 MK I?
Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard can I 
still get more?
Thanks!
Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I keep waiting for Progressive to get revealed as a huge scheme.
I was paying $700/yr. to Geico (nee BoatUS) for ONE boat and now I have all 
three of my boats on Progressive with better coverage for $700/yr. They had no 
issue with quoting a C 41 and I think their website states they go up to 50 
feet or so. I am also about to switch my car insurance to them, same deal, 
better coverage for less money. Not that I would actually try it, but my Boston 
Whaler is insured to go 100 miles offshore from Maine to Florida and so is the 
dinghy.
How do they do this?
I also wonder about the insured value, on the form to sign up it is whatever 
you say it is. I wonder if it has some algorithm to flag wildly inappropriate 
values. I swear I was being careful, but my $150,000 dinghy got loose and 
vanished. Darn the luck!


Joe Della Barba  Coquina

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Long ago we chartered Coquina a few times and quickly discovered no one treats 
your boat like you do. I went to Maine to look at a C 40 I was thinking of 
buying that had been in charter service. It was pretty obvious one charterer 
hit a rock at full speed, at least here we have only mud.
The same lesson gets learned at the airport too, don't put your pride and joy 
on the rental line, you won't be happy with how your plane gets treated. Rental 
boats/cars/houses/horses/etc. are a business and need to be looked at that way, 
your property will get used hard and you need to budget for that.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: David Risch via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 10:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

Hello,

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through the end 
of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems a bit crazy to 
just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing (and seeing) charter rates 
of $4,000 a week?!

Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.) anybody 
have experience with a long term or short term charter of your own boat and 
could impart some perspective and reality check.

As always, thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
Managing Director
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Interior paint

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I used gloss white "porch paint", which is designed to get wet, in the head and 
on the bulkhead in front of the chart table on my boat. It has generally worked 
well, but be warned teak is hard to paint over. I used primer and still had to 
do several coats to make it look right. On the good side the paint is easy to 
work with and quite cheap by boat standards.
Joe
Coquina

From: Matthew via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:16 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Interior paint

Listers:

As some of you may have surmised by my recent question about varnish (thanks 
for your responses), the Admiral would like the boat's interior to look less, 
well, tired.  Our boat is a Custom "stick" boat, so it does not have fiberglass 
liners, headliners, and the like.  The interior ceiling needs some TLC.  I 
thought about covering it with a vinyl fabric (to reduce the military look that 
I personally like), but the Admiral thinks that a fresh coat of white paint 
will suffice.  I'm thinking about Zinnser interior bathroom paint, which is 
marketed as effective against mold and mildew.

Thoughts or suggestions?  Thanks in advance.

Matt Wolford
C 42 Custom

Stus-List Re: Cost to replace UV cover

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I think I am going to use the sew-on cover again, the sock seems a little 
involved. Last time I had a UV cover done it was $500 or so, inflation sucks. I 
am going to ask around a few places. One thing that can bug you about an old 
boat is fixing the same stuff over and over. I am after batteries again and 
that isn’t going to be cheap either just like the last time or the one before 
that or the one before that….

To make it even worse, going to Saint Michael’s on Saturday the wind was 
CRANKING from astern, way too much for the spinnaker, the genoa is in the shop, 
and I don’t even have my working jib anymore. We ended up using just the main 
and that was good for hitting 8 knots, but the balance was terrible. Steering a 
straight line and not rounding up was a bit of a challenge.
In hindsight dragging out the storm jib would have been worth it for balance.
Joe
Coquina