Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[gnylander--- via CnC-List]

After all the messages recently posted by listers, I found 
a stack of free boooklets provided by the US Department of 
Homeland Security at our local Maritime Museum. The form 
number is 2010-361-210. It provides all the "legal" 
answers to the questions posed.


One distinction I didn't recall seeing during the recent 
discussions is the size of the boat. For example, is your 
boat is less than 20 meters long, it is not required to 
display an anchor light in a "special anchorage". And, if 
it is less than 12 meters (39.4 feet), you do not need the 
conical shape while motoring.


Just some more stuff to keep you reading.

Gary (less than 12 meters)


On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 07:10:51 -0400
 Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” 
(and then you don’t need the light either)




Marek



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Re: anchor balls.  I'm not saying that its not a good 
idea but I thought that the requirements for anchor 
dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a charted 
anchorage or in a mooring field.  Or is it just while on 
s mooring?  Or am I just mistaken altogether?


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" 
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wrote:


I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. 
Michaels, MD) usually on boats visiting on their way up 
or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the river, 
so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't 
even display lights at night


Gary


On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400
Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:


West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap 
$17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue 
as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I 
don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually 
being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day 
shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our 
waters, but not often. 



Rick Brass

Washington, NC





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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question



Rick,



you do (so triple points for you (each point can be 
converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my 
boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals 
should not apply (;-).




I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say 
that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that 
regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we 
used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. 
However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted 
cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone 
displayed.




Marek

Ottawa, ON



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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Solar yard lights…. Or just ignore the COLREGS.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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What about moorings?  How do people keep boats long term in a mooring field?

Josh

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

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Josh;

 

If you look on page 36 of the US Coast Pilot Volume 3 (you can download it at 
http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/nsd/coastpilot_w.php?book=3 ) you will find 
a list of the 9 designated special anchorages between Sandy Hook and Cape 
Henry. They are also marked on the chart, but they are few and far between. 
These are the locations where you don’t need an anchor ball or anchor light. 
Just because an anchorage area is shown on a chart doesn’t mean it is a 
“designated special anchorage” .

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to 
designate an anchorage?

Josh 

 

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If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need 
the light either)

 

Marek

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

Re: anchor balls.  I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought that 
the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a 
charted anchorage or in a mooring field.  Or is it just while on s mooring?  Or 
am I just mistaken altogether?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

 

On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats 
visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the 
river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display 
lights at night

Gary


On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400
 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:

West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they 
don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming 
cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used 
by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger 
shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. 


Rick Brass

Washington, NC





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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question



Rick,



you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of 
your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that 
professionals should not apply (;-).



I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I 
used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. 
And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t 
remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an 
inverted cone displayed.



Marek

Ottawa, ON



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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

A little tip: To make a cheap solar LED lawn light far more visible, use 
spray paint to put a light coating of white paint on the inside of the 
lens to make it "frosted". Makes quite a difference.


Bill Bina


On 9/19/2016 12:17 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


90% of boats on moorings anyplace I have ever been unlit if no one is 
aboard. That number is changing now that people can get solar LED lawn 
lights for $5.


Joe

Coquina

I use cheap solar lights when I leave my boat on the mooring.

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A mooring is considered a permanent fixture, like a dock. An anchor is 
transient. If in doubt, use your anchor light.


Bill Bina

On 9/19/2016 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

What about moorings?  How do people keep boats long term in a
mooring field?

Josh

On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List"
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as
"Special Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated
anchorage", they generally mean "designated as special". The
legally important term is "special anchorage".

Bill Bina

On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a
different way to designate an anchorage?

Josh



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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

And evidently your anchor ball too!

Josh

On Sep 19, 2016 6:11 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A mooring is considered a permanent fixture, like a dock. An anchor is
> transient. If in doubt, use your anchor light.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 9/19/2016 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> What about moorings?  How do people keep boats long term in a mooring
> field?
>
> Josh
>
> On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special
>> Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they
>> generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is
>> "special anchorage".
>>
>> Bill Bina
>>
>> On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to
>> designate an anchorage?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
>
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

90% of boats on moorings anyplace I have ever been unlit if no one is aboard. 
That number is changing now that people can get solar LED lawn lights for $5.
Joe
Coquina
I use cheap solar lights when I leave my boat on the mooring.

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A mooring is considered a permanent fixture, like a dock. An anchor is 
transient. If in doubt, use your anchor light.

Bill Bina

On 9/19/2016 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

What about moorings?  How do people keep boats long term in a mooring field?

Josh

On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special Anchorage" 
on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they generally mean 
"designated as special". The legally important term is "special anchorage".

Bill Bina

On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to 
designate an anchorage?

Josh


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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

A mooring is considered a permanent fixture, like a dock. An anchor is 
transient. If in doubt, use your anchor light.


Bill Bina


On 9/19/2016 11:54 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


What about moorings?  How do people keep boats long term in a mooring 
field?


Josh


On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" 
> wrote:


Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as
"Special Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated
anchorage", they generally mean "designated as special". The
legally important term is "special anchorage".

Bill Bina


On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different
way to designate an anchorage?

Josh




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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

What about moorings?  How do people keep boats long term in a mooring field?

Josh

On Sep 19, 2016 5:49 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special
> Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they
> generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is
> "special anchorage".
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to
> designate an anchorage?
>
> Josh
>
> On Sep 19, 2016 1:11 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t
> need the light either)
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Anchorages not requiring an anchor light will be marked as "Special 
Anchorage" on charts. When someone says "designated anchorage", they 
generally mean "designated as special". The legally important term is 
"special anchorage".


Bill Bina


On 9/19/2016 11:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way 
to designate an anchorage?


Josh


On Sep 19, 2016 1:11 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" 
> wrote:


If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then
you don’t need the light either)

Marek




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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I think that's what I mean by "charted", or is there a different way to
designate an anchorage?

Josh

On Sep 19, 2016 1:11 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t
need the light either)



Marek



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Re: anchor balls.  I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought
that the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while
in a charted anchorage or in a mooring field.  Or is it just while on s
mooring?  Or am I just mistaken altogether?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on
boats visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages
on the river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even
display lights at night

Gary


On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400
 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they
don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a
steaming cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these
actually being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes
displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC





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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question



Rick,



you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of
your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that
professionals should not apply (;-).



I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago
I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when
anchoring. And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone.
However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t
think I ever saw an inverted cone displayed.



Marek

Ottawa, ON



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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I would say 98% of non-commercial boats that should have an anchor ball or 
motoring cone do not have them or use them.
Joe
Coquina

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If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need 
the light either)

Marek

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question


Re: anchor balls. I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought that 
the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a 
charted anchorage or in a mooring field. Or is it just while on s mooring? Or 
am I just mistaken altogether?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats 
visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the 
river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display 
lights at night

Gary


On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400
Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
wrote:
West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they 
don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming 
cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used 
by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger 
shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC





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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question



Rick,



you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of 
your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that 
professionals should not apply (;-).



I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I 
used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. 
And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t 
remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an 
inverted cone displayed.



Marek

Ottawa, ON


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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If I am not mistaken, only on “designated anchorages” (and then you don’t need 
the light either)

 

Marek

 

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Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

Re: anchor balls.  I'm not saying that its not a good idea but I thought that 
the requirements for anchor dayshapes and lights was eliminated while in a 
charted anchorage or in a mooring field.  Or is it just while on s mooring?  Or 
am I just mistaken altogether?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

 

On Sep 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "gnylander--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, MD) usually on boats 
visiting on their way up or down the ICW - there are two anchorages on the 
river, so they know what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display 
lights at night

Gary


On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400
 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:

West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they 
don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming 
cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used 
by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger 
shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. 


Rick Brass

Washington, NC





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Rick,



you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of 
your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that 
professionals should not apply (;-).



I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I 
used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. 
And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t 
remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an 
inverted cone displayed.



Marek

Ottawa, ON



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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

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Robert

I believe you do require a bow light, but only after sunset while
moving, many her call it a steaming light.  The bow light is supposed
to be on while moving at night (probably any time after sunset) while
the foredeck light is more for convenience and not actually required.
Some boats have spreader lights which serve the essentially the same
purpose as the foredeck light but usually with a few more lumens on
deck than a foredeck light like yours.  It was quite common with C
sailboats to combine the bow light and foredeck lights in one fixture
mounted about one third the way up on the forward side of the mast,
each light operated with a different switch...that is what I have on
Alianna and I believe mine to be original from factory build, the bow
light (steaming light) shines forward while the foredeck light
component shines downward on the deck. The masthead light as C
called it on Alianna's factory original switch is at the top of the
mast and shines 360 degrees...it is supposed to on while at anchor all
night long and some call it the anchor light but C called it the
masthead light on my original switch panel.  It should be a very
bright light (like visible from a long way off), nowadays many sailors
use very bright LED masthead (anchor) light to conserve power since it
is supposed to be on all night long while at anchor.  Your running
lights on the bow (green to starboard and red to port) and white stern
light are required and should be turned on after sunset while moving
under sail or steam. Your boat is younger than mine.  Are you certain
that the fixture needs to be replaced, check it out because you may be
more pleased with repairing the old fixture than trying to find and
mount a new one.
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:49 AM, robert via CnC-List
 wrote:
> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck
> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old.  Will
> probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I
> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the
> halogen foredeck light.
>
> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the
> existing one:
>
> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
>
> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires
> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I
> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.
>
> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one
> white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back
> of the fixture to connect other wires.  So if my old fixture has 3
> connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this
> new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?
>
> As you can tell, I am no electrician.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[gnylander--- via CnC-List]

I have seen a few anchor balls around here (St. Michaels, 
MD) usually on boats visiting on their way up or down the 
ICW - there are two anchorages on the river, so they know 
what they are doing. Most don't. Some don't even display 
lights at night


Gary


On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:39:53 -0400
 Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap 
$17. But I bet they don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue 
as to where you could go to buy a steaming cone. And I 
don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually 
being used by a small boat. I do occasionally see day 
shapes displayed on the larger shrimp trawlers in our 
waters, but not often. 




Rick Brass

Washington, NC





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Rick,



you do (so triple points for you (each point can be 
converted to a drink of your choice when visiting on my 
boat)). Though, I should have said that professionals 
should not apply (;-).




I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say 
that a long while ago I used to sail on a boat that 
regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. And we 
used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. 
However, I don’t remember ever displaying the inverted 
cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an inverted cone 
displayed.




Marek

Ottawa, ON




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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Actually, Defender sells the cones ($15.63 or a better one for $55). If you 
look this up, there are many places that would sell you all shapes (balls, 
cones, double cones and cylinders).

Now we don’t have the excuse?

Marek
Ottawa, ON

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they 
don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming 
cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used 
by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger 
shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Special designated anchorage or not, I'm displaying my masthead all around
AND a light near deck level in the hopes that Bubba the drunken party barge
driver will see me.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It is not that important, as it really is no bother to display an anchor
> light. I always do, whether required or not. The original discussion was
> started by someone who had found, and was in, a special anchorage and was
> incorrectly told that he was required to display an anchor light. It was a
> good suggestion, but not a legal requirement in that specific case. I
> wouldn't waste time worrying about whether an anchorage is "special" or
> not. It is not really much of a bonus.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 9/14/2016 10:48 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Must be nice to be in an area that has them.
>
>
>
> Coast Pilot 4 (Cape Henry to Key West) lists only 6:
>
> Simons Island, GA
>
> Ashley River, SC (Charleston area)
>
> St. Johns River, FL
>
> 2 in the Indian River, FL
>
> Okeechobee Waterway, Stuart, FL
>
>
>
> The closest thing we have in NC is at Lockwoods Folly Inlet, but that is
> reserved for military and other vessels carrying up to 8000 tons of
> explosives. And there is an anchorage area off Beaufort NC for cargo
> vessels awaiting space in the state port in Morehead City, NC.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *BillBinaList via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:47 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> <billbinal...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical Question
>
>
>
> I anchor in special anchorages frequently. They are clearly marked as such
> on charts. They are plentiful in my home sailing area, and many of them
> would not be suitable for anything large or commercial, as they are often
> no more than about 6-12 feet deep. I refer you to US Chart 13205 as an
> example. Maybe you just sail in an area that is not as accommodating to
> recreation. Regardless, if a Coastie told you you needed an anchor light in
> one of those many special anchorages, as the poster said he was told, they
> were wrong. There is no regulation saying you can't display your anchor
> light there, and I recommend that you do. But, it is not required.:-)
>
> § 109.10 Special anchorage areas.
>
> An Act of Congress of April 22, 1940, provides for the designation of
> special anchorage areas wherein vessels not more than sixty-five feet in
> length, when at anchor, will not be required to carry or exhibit anchorage
> lights. Such designation is to be made after investigation, by rule,
> regulation, or order, the procedure for which will be similar to that
> followed for anchorage grounds under section 7 of the Rivers and Harbors
> Act of March 4, 1915, as referred to in § 109.05. The areas so designated
> should be well removed from the fairways and located where general
> navigation will not endanger or be endangered by unlighted vessels. The
> authority to designate special anchorage areas was transferred to and
> vested in the Secretary of Homeland Security by section 902(j) of the Coast
> Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109-241, 120 Stat
> 516), and delegated to the Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard in Department
> of Homeland Security Delegation No. 0170.1. The Commandant redelegated the
> authority to establish anchorage grounds to each Coast Guard District
> Commander as provided in 33 CFR 1.05
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/1.05>-1(e)(1)(i).
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I don't think this is unique to Maryland. I put my anchor light on when going 
ashore for the evening as it makes finding my boat in a dark crowded anchorage 
so much easier upon return. If everyone put their anchor lights on my advantage 
would disappear!!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 11:02, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> In Maryland at least, moored boats will almost never have an anchor light 
> showing if no one is aboard


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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

In Maryland at least, moored boats will almost never have an anchor light 
showing if no one is aboard, designated anchorage or not. Cheap solar lawn 
lights have changed that a bit, but I would not count on it.
I never could sleep easy with no anchor light on, moored or not. Speaking of 
anchor lights, a masthead level LED anchor light can look very much like an 
airplane or a star unrelated to any boat under it on a hazy night. Deck level 
lights are a big help to avoid drunk powerboats that never look up.
Joe
Coquina

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It is not that important, as it really is no bother to display an anchor light. 
I always do, whether required or not. The original discussion was started by 
someone who had found, and was in, a special anchorage and was incorrectly told 
that he was required to display an anchor light. It was a good suggestion, but 
not a legal requirement in that specific case. I wouldn't waste time worrying 
about whether an anchorage is "special" or not. It is not really much of a 
bonus.

Bill Bina
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

It is not that important, as it really is no bother to display an anchor 
light. I always do, whether required or not. The original discussion was 
started by someone who had found, and was in, a special anchorage and 
was incorrectly told that he was required to display an anchor light. It 
was a good suggestion, but not a legal requirement in that specific 
case. I wouldn't waste time worrying about whether an anchorage is 
"special" or not. It is not really much of a bonus.


Bill Bina


On 9/14/2016 10:48 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


Must be nice to be in an area that has them.

Coast Pilot 4 (Cape Henry to Key West) lists only 6:

Simons Island, GA

Ashley River, SC (Charleston area)

St. Johns River, FL

2 in the Indian River, FL

Okeechobee Waterway, Stuart, FL

The closest thing we have in NC is at Lockwoods Folly Inlet, but that 
is reserved for military and other vessels carrying up to 8000 tons of 
explosives. And there is an anchorage area off Beaufort NC for cargo 
vessels awaiting space in the state port in Morehead City, NC.


*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*BillBinaList via CnC-List

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*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

I anchor in special anchorages frequently. They are clearly marked as 
such on charts. They are plentiful in my home sailing area, and many 
of them would not be suitable for anything large or commercial, as 
they are often no more than about 6-12 feet deep. I refer you to US 
Chart 13205 as an example. Maybe you just sail in an area that is not 
as accommodating to recreation. Regardless, if a Coastie told you you 
needed an anchor light in one of those many special anchorages, as the 
poster said he was told, they were wrong. There is no regulation 
saying you can't display your anchor light there, and I recommend that 
you do. But, it is not required.:-)


§ 109.10 Special anchorage areas.

An Act of Congress of April 22, 1940, provides for the designation of 
special anchorage areas wherein vessels not more than sixty-five feet 
in length, when at anchor, will not be required to carry or exhibit 
anchorage lights. Such designation is to be made after investigation, 
by rule, regulation, or order, the procedure for which will be similar 
to that followed for anchorage grounds under section 7 of the Rivers 
and Harbors Act of March 4, 1915, as referred to in § 109.05. The 
areas so designated should be well removed from the fairways and 
located where general navigation will not endanger or be endangered by 
unlighted vessels. The authority to designate special anchorage areas 
was transferred to and vested in the Secretary of Homeland Security by 
section 902(j) of the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 
2006 (Pub. L. 109-241, 120 Stat 516), and delegated to the Commandant 
of the U.S. Coast Guard in Department of Homeland Security Delegation 
No. 0170.1. The Commandant redelegated the authority to establish 
anchorage grounds to each Coast Guard District Commander as provided 
in 33 CFR 1.05 <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/1.05>-1(e)(1)(i).


Bill Bina



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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Must be nice to be in an area that has them.

 

Coast Pilot 4 (Cape Henry to Key West) lists only 6:

Simons Island, GA

Ashley River, SC (Charleston area)

St. Johns River, FL

2 in the Indian River, FL

Okeechobee Waterway, Stuart, FL

 

The closest thing we have in NC is at Lockwoods Folly Inlet, but that is
reserved for military and other vessels carrying up to 8000 tons of
explosives. And there is an anchorage area off Beaufort NC for cargo vessels
awaiting space in the state port in Morehead City, NC.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
BillBinaList via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

I anchor in special anchorages frequently. They are clearly marked as such
on charts. They are plentiful in my home sailing area, and many of them
would not be suitable for anything large or commercial, as they are often no
more than about 6-12 feet deep. I refer you to US Chart 13205 as an example.
Maybe you just sail in an area that is not as accommodating to recreation.
Regardless, if a Coastie told you you needed an anchor light in one of those
many special anchorages, as the poster said he was told, they were wrong.
There is no regulation saying you can't display your anchor light there, and
I recommend that you do. But, it is not required.:-)

§ 109.10 Special anchorage areas.

An Act of Congress of April 22, 1940, provides for the designation of
special anchorage areas wherein vessels not more than sixty-five feet in
length, when at anchor, will not be required to carry or exhibit anchorage
lights. Such designation is to be made after investigation, by rule,
regulation, or order, the procedure for which will be similar to that
followed for anchorage grounds under section 7 of the Rivers and Harbors Act
of March 4, 1915, as referred to in § 109.05. The areas so designated should
be well removed from the fairways and located where general navigation will
not endanger or be endangered by unlighted vessels. The authority to
designate special anchorage areas was transferred to and vested in the
Secretary of Homeland Security by section 902(j) of the Coast Guard and
Maritime Transportation Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109-241, 120 Stat 516), and
delegated to the Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard in Department of
Homeland Security Delegation No. 0170.1. The Commandant redelegated the
authority to establish anchorage grounds to each Coast Guard District
Commander as provided in 33 CFR 1.05
<https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/1.05> -1(e)(1)(i). 

Bill Bina

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

West sells a fold up anchor ball for a relatively cheap $17. But I bet they 
don’t sell many. I’d not have a clue as to where you could go to buy a steaming 
cone. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen either one of these actually being used 
by a small boat. I do occasionally see day shapes displayed on the larger 
shrimp trawlers in our waters, but not often. 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

Rick,

 

you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of 
your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that 
professionals should not apply (;-).

 

I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I 
used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. 
And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t 
remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an 
inverted cone displayed.

 

Marek

Ottawa, ON

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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question Now Black Ball Story...

[David via CnC-List]

Speaking of black balls.

We were in the middle Long Island Sound years ago when I see a large tanker 
heading my way.  So being a good dubie I alter my course to avoid them.I 
look back at the tanker at it appears to have altered its course too...right 
back onto a collision course!

Woah.  So I change again.  So does the ship.  Must have happened a half dozen 
times!   

I'm thinking is this a maritime version of the movie "Duel"?

Finally get close enough to get the binocs on her to get a name.

Didn't get the name but I did see the black ball.

Felt like a bit of an idiot...

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:59:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: dziedzi...@hotmail.com









Rick,
 
you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of 
your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that 
professionals should not apply (;-).
 
I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago 
I used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when 
anchoring. 
And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t 
remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an 
inverted cone displayed.
 
Marek
Ottawa, ON


 

From: Rick 
Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 22:56
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question
 


So I 
get extra credit for knowing it’s a black ball, and double for knowing it’s an 
inverted cone? 
 
No, 
wait,, you don’t need to send anything. The USCG already gave me my Masters’ 
License for knowing this sort of minutia. And, no, I don’t have any day shapes 
aboard any of my boats – including the charter schooner I run. And the USCG has 
never asked.
 
Rick 
Brass
Washington, 
NC
 
 


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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:41 PM
To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
<dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical 
Question
 



 

Of course we all are 
guilty of not following the rules (e.g. raise hand who regularly displays a day 
shape when anchoring (for extra points, who knows what the day shape for 
anchoring is), or worse yet – who regularly (or even occasionally) displays the 
day shape that is required for a sailing vessel under auxiliary power? (double 
points if you know what that one is without looking 
up)).

 

Marek



 


 

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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Rick,

you do (so triple points for you (each point can be converted to a drink of 
your choice when visiting on my boat)). Though, I should have said that 
professionals should not apply (;-).

I don’t have the day shapes either, but I have to say that a long while ago I 
used to sail on a boat that regularly displayed the black ball when anchoring. 
And we used to carry both the black ball and the black cone. However, I don’t 
remember ever displaying the inverted cone. And I don’t think I ever saw an 
inverted cone displayed.

Marek
Ottawa, ON

From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 22:56
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

So I get extra credit for knowing it’s a black ball, and double for knowing 
it’s an inverted cone? 

 

No, wait,, you don’t need to send anything. The USCG already gave me my 
Masters’ License for knowing this sort of minutia. And, no, I don’t have any 
day shapes aboard any of my boats – including the charter schooner I run. And 
the USCG has never asked.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

 

Of course we all are guilty of not following the rules (e.g. raise hand who 
regularly displays a day shape when anchoring (for extra points, who knows what 
the day shape for anchoring is), or worse yet – who regularly (or even 
occasionally) displays the day shape that is required for a sailing vessel 
under auxiliary power? (double points if you know what that one is without 
looking up)).

 

Marek

 

 
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Rob

Buy a 40 foot boat so we can start this discussion all over again!

Make it a Hunter so it can be even more interesting

Mike

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Rick:

I got the puzzle solved.you have to take this particular fixture (made by 
Victory) apart to make the appropriate connections..there is a common 
'ground' for both lights plus the 'positive' and 'negative'.  In addition to 
the single wire exiting the back of the fixture,  the other two connections are 
'brass like screws' inside the fixture.why they would do this is mind 
boggling.why not have the three wires exit.

Nevertheless, I am going this morning to buy the $3X more expensive Aqua Signal 
fixture...I was up my mast last evening and that is what is there now and 
that is what I will replace it with.

Trusting everyone is now clear on what is required for navigation lights.I 
think I am.

"If you are under power and also shorter than 12 meters, you may use the option 
of an all-around white light above the red/green instead of the stern & 
masthead lights."

Maybe this is what my fellow club member was referring to when he said I didn't 
need my masthead/steaming light, just my anchor light when under power.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32-84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2016-09-14 12:34 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
I believe someone already answered your question.

The light needs to have at least two connections (power and ground) if both 
bulbs are on a single switch.
3 connections is more likely... lets you have independent switch for steaming 
and foredeck, plus a common/ground. That's probably what you are looking at in 
the picture - 3 wire in a single insulated cover.
I suppose you could have 4 wires, with 2 independent grounds, but why bother?

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So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the 
same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new 
holes to attach but if I have to, so be it.

The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three 
(not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are 
three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it.

There must be a logical way to connect it?

Rob







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I anchor in special anchorages frequently. They are clearly marked as 
such on charts. They are plentiful in my home sailing area, and many of 
them would not be suitable for anything large or commercial, as they are 
often no more than about 6-12 feet deep. I refer you to US Chart 13205 
as an example. Maybe you just sail in an area that is not as 
accommodating to recreation. Regardless, if a Coastie told you you 
needed an anchor light in one of those many special anchorages, as the 
poster said he was told, they were wrong. There is no regulation saying 
you can't display your anchor light there, and I recommend that you do. 
But, it is not required.:-)


§ 109.10 Special anchorage areas.

An Act of Congress of April 22, 1940, provides for the designation of 
special anchorage areas wherein vessels not more than sixty-five feet in 
length, when at anchor, will not be required to carry or exhibit 
anchorage lights. Such designation is to be made after investigation, by 
rule, regulation, or order, the procedure for which will be similar to 
that followed for anchorage grounds under section 7 of the Rivers and 
Harbors Act of March 4, 1915, as referred to in § 109.05. The areas so 
designated should be well removed from the fairways and located where 
general navigation will not endanger or be endangered by unlighted 
vessels. The authority to designate special anchorage areas was 
transferred to and vested in the Secretary of Homeland Security by 
section 902(j) of the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 
2006 (Pub. L. 109-241, 120 Stat 516), and delegated to the Commandant of 
the U.S. Coast Guard in Department of Homeland Security Delegation No. 
0170.1. The Commandant redelegated the authority to establish anchorage 
grounds to each Coast Guard District Commander as provided in 33 CFR 
1.05 <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/1.05>-1(e)(1)(i).


Bill Bina


On 9/13/2016 11:09 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


Actually, they didn’t, Bill.

If you look at the list of “Designated Special Anchorages” (and it 
takes some effort to find it) you will see that not one of them is 
anywhere that we would chose to anchor our boats. They are very 
limited and specialized locations populated by larger commercial 
vessels, not just a wide spot in a creek or open space out in the 
river in front of town.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC

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Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-)

—INLAND—
Lights and Shapes
RULE 30— CONTINUED
(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a 
special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be 
required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule.



Bill Bina



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If your vessel is being powered exclusively by sails, it is a sailing
vessel. If it is being powered by machinery (to make sure it includes those
with Torquedo outboards and other electric motors) it is a power driven
vessel. And if you are motor sailing, you are also a power driven vessel.

 

Everyone should have a copy of the COLREGS aboard, or at least download a
copy and take an hour and read them.

 

And remember the lights are intended to tell other skippers:

What sort of vessel you have,

What direction you are going,

How big your vessel is,

What it is doing at the moment,

And if it is in a situation that would make it difficult to avoid a
collision.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

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Any wonder there is confusion on this issue.what's the difference
between "sailing vessels less than 20m in length" and any powerboat?

Rob

On 2016-09-13 11:16 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:

Read also what it says about power vessels. When you have the engine on,
your boat is a motor vessel.

Andy

C 40

Peregrine

 

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I believe someone already answered your question.

 

The light needs to have at least two connections (power and ground) if both
bulbs are on a single switch.

3 connections is more likely. lets you have independent switch for steaming
and foredeck, plus a common/ground. That's probably what you are looking at
in the picture - 3 wire in a single insulated cover.

I suppose you could have 4 wires, with 2 independent grounds, but why
bother?

 

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So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much
the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill
new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it.

The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have
three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although
there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to
connect it.

There must be a logical way to connect it?

Rob



 

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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

"Inland" vs "Offshore" is only a reference to which rules in the COLREGS
apply (in the US). The COLREGS line (where the change applies) is clearly
marked on coastal charts. I was surprised to find that all of Delaware Bay
is Inland, but part of Chesapeake Bay is not.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Designated anchorages are marked as such on charts. If it just says
anchorage, it is not a designated anchorage. You would also be amazed at
what is "inland waters". Most coastal areas are covered.

 

Bill Bina

 

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Forget the anchor lights.

 

In the situation you describe what you really need is an auto-targeting, high 
intensity, warning light. Like one of those bazillion watt lasers the 
government is developing to shoot down incoming missles.

 

Problem solved.

 

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A vessel at anchor should exhibit a white all around light where it can best be 
seen by the drunken idiot driving the party barge with no lights that's roaring 
through the anchorage at night causing the wake from hell.  

Dennis C.

 

 

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Actually, they didn't, Bill.

 

If you look at the list of "Designated Special Anchorages" (and it takes
some effort to find it) you will see that not one of them is anywhere that
we would chose to anchor our boats. They are very limited and specialized
locations populated by larger commercial vessels, not just a wide spot in a
creek or open space out in the river in front of town.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-)

-INLAND- 
Lights and Shapes 
RULE 30- CONTINUED 
(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special
anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit
the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule.  


Bill Bina

 

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So I get extra credit for knowing it’s a black ball, and double for knowing 
it’s an inverted cone? 

 

No, wait,, you don’t need to send anything. The USCG already gave me my 
Masters’ License for knowing this sort of minutia. And, no, I don’t have any 
day shapes aboard any of my boats – including the charter schooner I run. And 
the USCG has never asked.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

 

Of course we all are guilty of not following the rules (e.g. raise hand who 
regularly displays a day shape when anchoring (for extra points, who knows what 
the day shape for anchoring is), or worse yet – who regularly (or even 
occasionally) displays the day shape that is required for a sailing vessel 
under auxiliary power? (double points if you know what that one is without 
looking up)).

 

Marek

 

 

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Rick,

 

I stand corrected. What I said applies only if you are shorter than 12 m.

 

As an excuse I will say that I hardly ever considered to be concerned about a 
boat bigger (longer) than that. But you are right. And I don’t even have a C 
anymore.

 

Btw. the question about Hunter’s lights (Rob’s brother’s) triggered a 5 page 
discussion on the SBO a while back. It must be a popular topic.

 

Marek

Ottawa, ON

 

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Marek;

 

I know I’m being picky, but… What you say is not entirely correct is also not 
entirely correct.

 

The rule does specify. If you are under power, you need red/green/ stern/ & 
masthead and the masthead must be above the red/green (there is a rule that 
says how far, but let’s not go there). If you are under power and also shorter 
than 12 meters, you may use the option of an all-around white light above the 
red/green instead of the stern & masthead lights.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

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Jonathan,

 

This is not entirely correct. You have to display a white light 360 degrees AND 
the red/green side lights. The rule does not specify How you should display 
that 360 degree white light. It can be a single light (as long as, when you 
could see the side lights, it is above them) or it can be a combination of the 
stern light and the steaming light (i.e. the two lights complement each other 
to complete a full 360 degree visibility).

 

 

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Marek;

 

I know I’m being picky, but… What you say is not entirely correct is also not 
entirely correct.

 

The rule does specify. If you are under power, you need red/green/ stern/ & 
masthead and the masthead must be above the red/green (there is a rule that 
says how far, but let’s not go there). If you are under power and also shorter 
than 12 meters, you may use the option of an all-around white light above the 
red/green instead of the stern & masthead lights.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

Jonathan,

 

This is not entirely correct. You have to display a white light 360 degrees AND 
the red/green side lights. The rule does not specify How you should display 
that 360 degree white light. It can be a single light (as long as, when you 
could see the side lights, it is above them) or it can be a combination of the 
stern light and the steaming light (i.e. the two lights complement each other 
to complete a full 360 degree visibility).

 

 

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It's a Hunter, Rob.

 

They don't expect most owners to ever leave the dock in the first place -
and certainly never at night. 

The price is lower if they don't put it on, and they can make money by
selling an option for those who want it.

And most owners are probably not the sort who would even understand what the
"masthead light" is for. Heck, even I admit the term is confusing.

 

Is there, perhaps, a white light at the top of the mast that is in segments,
the forward facing 2/3rds light up with a switch marked "masthead or
steaming" and all of which lights up with a switch marked "Anchor light"?

 

But then we'd not be having this interesting discussion of a light like that
was commonplace.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

Interesting my brother's boat is a 2007 Hunter 33 and it does not have a
'steaming light' on the front of his mast.  Wonder why Hunter would not have
put one there if it is a legal requirement?




 

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Here is a link to the COLREGS. Since you are in Halifax, ignore the Inland
Rules - which only apply to us down south:
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/navrules/navrules.pdf

 

See rule 23d. The basic rule requires a masthead light. But paragraph d(1)
applies if your boat is under 12 meters and lets you show an all-around
white light instead of the masthead and stern lights when you are a "Power
Driven Vessel".

 

The 360 degree white light at the top of the mast is most properly called an
"anchor light" - though you really don't need one since you can show any
sort of light (including a battery operated one that you hoist when anchored
or aground) so long as it meets the visibility requirements of the rules.
You are not supposed to show the "anchor light" when sailing, but 23d1 lets
you show it when motoring so long as your boat is less than 12 meters (39'
for us southerners).

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just
above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360
degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal
requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when
motoring or motor sailing.

Am I correct?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




 

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Strictly speaking, it should be “tricolor/anchor light at the masthead”.

 

The definition of a “masthead” light (Rule 21a): 

“Masthead light” means a white light placed over the fore and aft centerline of 
the vessel showing an unbroken light over an arc of the horizon of 225 degrees 
and so fixed as to show the light from right ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the 
beam on either side of the vessel. 

 

I do wish it were called a “steaming light”, which would be so much less 
confusing. But the lights are used to identify vessel size and direction of 
travel, as well as used in circumstances other than “steaming” so I do 
understand there might be resistance to using that term.

 

Anyway – it isn’t legal to show both the lights of a power boat 
(red/green/stern/masthead) and the lights of a sailboat (masthead tricolor) at 
the same.  I suspect the Coasties would never pull you over and write you a 
ticket if you did it. Though I can see that a Coastie with an attitude and time 
on his hands might use the lights a reason to pull you over for a safety 
inspection.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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So if you have a combo tricolor/anchor masthead light and you are under power 
should they both be on?

 

Joel

 

 

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Your point about visibility is sound. I also have a masthead tricolor on
Imzadi for just that reason.

But if you look at the Colregs (which BTW, and in response to someone's
earlier comment, ARE International Rules, with the exception of a couple of
small exceptions that apply in the US to INSHORE ONLY)
The option of showing a masthead tricolor or the masthead red over green and
a stern light is only available when you are sailing. 

When motoring you are a power boat and must comply with the requirements for
power boats. Which means the steaming light needs to be above the red and
green, and if you are less than 7 meters (IIRC correctly) you can show an
all-around white instead of stern light and steaming (masthead) light.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1
Washington, NC



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On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might
be useless.  Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas.
There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not
visible.  Shipping lanes are very busy down there.  To me, safety is more
important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light.
Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages
regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo.  


Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C 38MkII
Newport, RI


  




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For all of my fellow Canadians.  Collodion Regs.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._1416/


Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rob, I'm pretty sure the steaming light is still required to be shown when 
> you're motoring or motorsailing.
> 
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:49 AM, robert via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck 
>> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old.  Will 
>> probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I 
>> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the 
>> halogen foredeck light.
>> 
>> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the 
>> existing one:
>> 
>> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
>> 
>> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires 
>> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I 
>> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.
>> 
>> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one 
>> white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back 
>> of the fixture to connect other wires.  So if my old fixture has 3 
>> connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this 
>> new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?
>> 
>> As you can tell, I am no electrician.
>> 
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

This is actually very simple.
Under power you need the lights of a powerboat, because that is what you are 
now.
A "foredeck light" is something that illuminates the foredeck for work. A 
steaming light is what makes you legal under power. A steaming light may happen 
to light up the foredeck, mine does, but it meets specifications for color and 
visibility. A spotlight aimed down at the deck would not do so.
Joe
Coquina
Meanwhile...actual powerboats run around with no lights at all or 
random collections of colored and white lights that have no resemblance to 
legal running lights. We play a game at night trying to figure  out what we are 
seeing and I doubt more than *maybe* half the powerboats have legal lights.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:48
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

Any wonder there is confusion on this issue.what's the difference between 
"sailing vessels less than 20m in length" and any powerboat?

Rob
On 2016-09-13 11:16 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
Read also what it says about power vessels. When you have the engine on, your 
boat is a motor vessel.
Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM, robert via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Appears my 'electrical question' veered off into another discussion on 
'navigation lights'my fault when I said I was told by a fellow club 
member that my 'masthead/steaming light' was not a legal requirement for my 
boat.  I took the following quote from the West Marine site supplied my Marek:

"Sailing vessels less than 20m in length need to show sidelights and a stern 
light. These may be combined into a bicolor light and stern light, or a single 
tricolor light at the top of the mast."

My boat is "less than 20m in length".

Whether the fixture is a legal requirement or not, I am going to replace it 
with one similar because I want the 'foredeck light', but if it is indeed a 
legal requirement, I want to comply as well.

So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much the 
same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill new 
holes to attach but if I have to, so be it.

The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have three 
(not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although there are 
three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to connect it.

There must be a logical way to connect it?

Rob



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[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Everything you need to know, spelled out and organized:



Larger vessels are required to have a copy of this onboard at all times. 
Not a bad idea for small vessels to do the same. It is the only 
"opinion" that matters.


Bill Bina


On 9/13/2016 10:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


So what do Colregs say about a foredeck light when under motor?  When 
under sail? On a power boat?


Mike

Persistence

Halifax




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[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

So what do Colregs say about a foredeck light when under motor?  When under 
sail? On a power boat?

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

Mystery solved..another lister bought the same fixture and explained how it 
connects.the one white wire is the 'ground'the fixture comes apart 
and the positive and negative wire(s) are led in through the back of the 
fixture and connects inside to the 'steaming light' and the 'foredeck light' 
which is controlled by a switch which is controlled by the boat's electrical 
panel switches so you can one light on or both at the same time.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
Rob - unless there have been changes in regs that I'm not aware of, a steaming 
light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, when motoring 
at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light.  Maybe Canadian 
regs are different.

On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck 
and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for each 
of the two lights.

The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my 
guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture.

- Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List 
> wrote:

When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck 
Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old.  Will 
probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I 
understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the 
halogen foredeck light.

I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the 
existing one:

Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html

It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires exiting 
the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I assume the 
green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.

Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one 
white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back of 
the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections 
(assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture 
only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?

As you can tell, I am no electrician.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





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[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Read also what it says about power vessels. When you have the engine on,
your boat is a motor vessel.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Appears my 'electrical question' veered off into another discussion on
> 'navigation lights'my fault when I said I was told by a fellow club
> member that my 'masthead/steaming light' was not a legal requirement for my
> boat.  I took the following quote from the West Marine site supplied my
> Marek:
>
> "Sailing vessels less than 20m in length need to show sidelights and a
> stern light. These may be combined into a bicolor light and stern light, or
> a single tricolor light at the top of the mast."
>
> My boat is "less than 20m in length".
>
> Whether the fixture is a legal requirement or not, I am going to replace
> it with one similar because I want the 'foredeck light', but if it is
> indeed a legal requirement, I want to comply as well.
>
> So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very
> much the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to
> drill new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it.
>
> The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have
> three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although
> there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to
> connect it.
>
> There must be a logical way to connect it?
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On 2016-09-12 2:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Rob,
>
> As Frederick said, whoever told you that was mistaken.
>
> This illustrates what you have to show: http://www.westmarine.com/
> WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules (scroll down to a picture at the
> bottom of the page).  Keep in mind that HOW you display the light is up to
> you (one light, combination of several lights), as long as you display the
> RIGHT COLOURS and in the RIGHT SEGMENTS.
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* robert via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 11:29
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* robert
> *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question
>
> Marek:
>
> The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the
> spreaders is the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a
> legal requirement but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal
> requirement..it can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the
> front of the mast can not be seen 360 degrees.
>
> I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture.
> I will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal.
>
> Thanks all for your input.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Rob,
> I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You
> don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light,
> unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn
> off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast).
> A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need
> at least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would
> not buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each
> function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming,
> positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that
> allow to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If
> this is one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn
> it on, but if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light,
> and again - both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs.
> If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the
> bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal.
> Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar
> price) with 3 wires: http://www.marineoutfitters.
> ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547
> .
> Marek
> *From:* robert via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* robert
> *Subject:* Stus-List Electrical Question
> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow,
> Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32
> years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this
> Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally
> required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light.
>
> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to
> the existing one:
>
> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-
> MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
>
> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires
> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black'
> ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.
>
> Here's the 

Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Robert,

 

Your description below of the requirement is 100% correct while you are a
sailing vessel.  Turn on your engine, you become a power vessel and the
steaming light is required.

 

Ron

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

Appears my 'electrical question' veered off into another discussion on
'navigation lights'my fault when I said I was told by a fellow club
member that my 'masthead/steaming light' was not a legal requirement for my
boat.  I took the following quote from the West Marine site supplied my
Marek:

"Sailing vessels less than 20m in length need to show sidelights and a stern
light. These may be combined into a bicolor light and stern light, or a
single tricolor light at the top of the mast."

My boat is "less than 20m in length".

Whether the fixture is a legal requirement or not, I am going to replace it
with one similar because I want the 'foredeck light', but if it is indeed a
legal requirement, I want to comply as well.

So back to the beginning, the fixture I saw at the Binnacle looks very much
the same as the existing one..I like this as I would not have to drill
new holes to attach but if I have to, so be it.

The new fixture only has one wire to attach whereas mine appears to have
three (not exactly sure as I have not yet removed it from the mast although
there are three existing the base of the mast) and I have no idea how to
connect it.

There must be a logical way to connect it?

Rob



On 2016-09-12 2:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:

Rob,

 

As Frederick said, whoever told you that was mistaken. 

 

This illustrates what you have to show:

http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules (scroll down to
a picture at the bottom of the page).  Keep in mind that HOW you display the
light is up to you (one light, combination of several lights), as long as
you display the RIGHT COLOURS and in the RIGHT SEGMENTS.

 

Marek

 

From: robert via CnC-List 

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:29

To:   cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: robert 

Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

Marek:

The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the spreaders
is the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a legal
requirement but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal
requirement..it can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the
front of the mast can not be seen 360 degrees.

I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture. I
will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal.

Thanks all for your input.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S. 

On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:

Rob,

I am not sure to which part you refer as "no longer legally required". You
don't need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light,
unless you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn
off the stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast).

A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at
least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not
buy it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each
function, i.e. negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming,
positive - deck light. Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow
to run the power with a single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is
one like that, the switch turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but
if you switch it off and on again, it would turn the deck light, and again -
both. You would have to decide if that meets your needs.

If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the
bullet and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. 

Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price)
with 3 wires:

http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=
38614998=90021547.

Marek

From: robert via CnC-List 

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50

To:   cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: robert 

Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, 
Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 
years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this 
Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally 
required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light.

I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to 
the existing one:

Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIG

Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special 
anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit 
the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule. [Inld]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 5:09 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Right except you may have meant anchor light not required when anchored in a 
> mooring field?   An anchor light  is still required otherwise even in a 
> "designated" (per chart) anchorage.
> 
> I learned that from the Coasties who made me put one up one fine evening...
> 
> 
> 
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:07 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: jrtau...@aol.com
> 
> The forward 225 degree light halfway up the mast is a steaming or masthead 
> light.  The 360 degree on top of the mast is an anchor light.  The steaming 
> light should be shown while under power at night and the anchor light while 
> at anchor (not under way) but not required at a legal anchorage.  Jerry J 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:24 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than 50m 
> at anchor as seen from directly astern.
> 
> A picture is worth a lot and here is a good example:
> Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Date: 2016-09-12 12:24 PM (GMT-04:00) 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> 
> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question 
> 
> The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just 
> above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 
> degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal 
> requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when 
> motoring or motor sailing.
> 
> Am I correct?
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
> On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
> Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a 
> steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, when 
> motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light.  Maybe 
> Canadian regs are different.
> 
> On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck 
> and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for 
> each of the two lights.
> 
> The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my 
> guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck 
> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old.  Will 
> probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I 
> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the 
> halogen foredeck light.
> 
> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the 
> existing one:
> 
> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
> 
> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires 
> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I 
> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.
> 
> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one 
> white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back 
> of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections 
> (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture 
> only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?
> 
> As you can tell, I am no electrician.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

Designated anchorages are marked as such on charts. If it just says 
anchorage, it is not a designated anchorage. You would also be amazed at 
what is "inland waters". Most coastal areas are covered.



Bill Bina


On 9/12/2016 5:52 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
But that is Inland and has to be designated by the Secretary. The fact 
that it is marked on the chart is not enough.


Marek



Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.

 Original message 
From: BillBinaList via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 9/12/16 17:22 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-)

—INLAND—
Lights and Shapes
RULE 30— CONTINUED
(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a 
special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be 
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

But that is Inland and has to be designated by the Secretary. The fact that it 
is marked on the chart is not enough. 
Marek


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<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/12/16  17:22  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Electrical Question 

Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their
  exam. 8-)


—INLAND— 

  Lights and Shapes 

  RULE 30— CONTINUED 

  (g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a
  special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be
  required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required 


  



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[Indigo via CnC-List]

I wonder if the Coasties know what 20M means. Maybe they can't tell feet from 
meters. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 17:21, BillBinaList via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> A vessel of less than 20 meters in length,


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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

A vessel at anchor should exhibit a white all around light where it can
best be seen by the drunken idiot driving the party barge with no lights
that's roaring through the anchorage at night causing the wake from hell.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 4:09 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Right except you may have meant anchor light not required when anchored in
> a mooring field?   An anchor light  is still required otherwise even in a
> "designated" (per chart) anchorage.
>
> I learned that from the Coasties who made me put one up one fine evening...
>
>
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:07 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: jrtau...@aol.com
>
>
> The forward 225 degree light halfway up the mast is a steaming or masthead
> light.  The 360 degree on top of the mast is an anchor light.  The steaming
> light should be shown while under power at night and the anchor light while
> at anchor (not under way) but not required at a legal anchorage.  Jerry
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:24 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than
> 50m at anchor as seen from directly astern.
>
> A picture is worth a lot and here is a good example:
> Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 2016-09-12 12:24 PM (GMT-04:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question
>
> The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just
> above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360
> degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal
> requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when
> motoring or motor sailing.
>
> Am I correct?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
> On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a
> steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) *IS* still
> required, when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and
> stern light.  Maybe Canadian regs are different.
>
> On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the
> deck and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads
> for each of the two lights.
>
> The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but
> my guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing
> fixture.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck
> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old.
> Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I
> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the
> halogen foredeck light.
>
> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the
> existing one:
>
> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-
> MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
>
> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires
> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I
> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.
>
> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has
> one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the
> back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3
> connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and
> this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?
>
> As you can tell, I am no electrician.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

Rule 30 part G of the Colregs says those Coasties flunked their exam. 8-)

—INLAND—
Lights and Shapes
RULE 30— CONTINUED
(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a 
special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be 
required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule.



Bill Bina




On 9/12/2016 5:09 PM, David via CnC-List wrote:
Right except you may have meant anchor light not required when 
anchored in a mooring field?   An anchor light  is still required 
otherwise even in a "designated" (per chart) anchorage.


I learned that from the Coasties who made me put one up one fine 
evening...




David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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[David via CnC-List]

Right except you may have meant anchor light not required when anchored in a 
mooring field?   An anchor light  is still required otherwise even in a 
"designated" (per chart) anchorage.

I learned that from the Coasties who made me put one up one fine evening...



David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:55:07 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: jrtau...@aol.com

The forward 225 degree light halfway up the mast is a steaming or masthead 
light.  The 360 degree on top of the mast is an anchor light.  The steaming 
light should be shown while under power at night and the anchor light while at 
anchor (not under way) but not required at a legal anchorage.  Jerry J 

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On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:24 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:



Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than 50m at 
anchor as seen from directly astern.
A picture is worth a lot and here is a good 
example:Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules


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From: robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 2016-09-12  12:24 PM  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> 
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question 


The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast
just above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen
360 degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is
longer a legal requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a
legal requirement when motoring or motor sailing.



Am I correct?



Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.







On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G
  Street via CnC-List wrote:



  
  Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware
  of, a steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still 
required, when motoring at night, along
  with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light.  Maybe Canadian regs
  are different.
  

  
  On your existing fixture, the black is probably a
common ground for the deck and steaming light; the red and green
will be separate positive leads for each of the two lights.
  

  
  The replacement light from the Binnacle may only
show one white wire; but my guess is that it contains three
conductors, the same as the existing fixture.
  

  
  — Fred


  
  



  

  

  Fred Street -- Minneapolis

  S/V Oceanis (1979
  C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield,
  WI
  

  

  
  
  





  
On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via
  CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
  wrote:

When
up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming,
Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad
shape.probably the original 32 years old.  Will
probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this
Fall although I understand this light is no longer
legally required...but I do like the halogen
foredeck light.
  
  I
found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost
similar to the existing one:
  
  
Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
  
  It
appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3)
white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to
'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is
negative, red is positive and black in ground.
  
  Here's
the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle
only has one white wire as a connection...there is
(are) no other places on the back of the fixture to
connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3
connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it
to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'w

Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

The forward 225 degree light halfway up the mast is a steaming or masthead 
light.  The 360 degree on top of the mast is an anchor light.  The steaming 
light should be shown while under power at night and the anchor light while at 
anchor (not under way) but not required at a legal anchorage.  Jerry J 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:24 PM, jhnelson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than 50m 
> at anchor as seen from directly astern.
> 
> A picture is worth a lot and here is a good example:
> Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: robert via CnC-List  
> Date: 2016-09-12 12:24 PM (GMT-04:00) 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: robert  
> Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question 
> 
> The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just 
> above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 
> degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal 
> requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when 
> motoring or motor sailing.
> 
> Am I correct?
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
>> Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware   of, a 
>> steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, 
>> when motoring at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light.  
>> Maybe Canadian regs are different.
>> 
>> On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck 
>> and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for 
>> each of the two lights.
>> 
>> The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my 
>> guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture.
>> 
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck 
>>> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old.  
>>> Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I 
>>> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the 
>>> halogen foredeck light.
>>> 
>>> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the 
>>> existing one:
>>> 
>>> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
>>> 
>>> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires 
>>> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I 
>>> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.
>>> 
>>> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one 
>>> white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back 
>>> of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 
>>> connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and 
>>> this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?
>>> 
>>> As you can tell, I am no electrician.
>>> 
>>> Rob Abbott
>>> AZURA
>>> C 32 - 84
>>> Halifax, N.S.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

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Nope as you would then be displaying the lights of a vessel greater than 50m at 
anchor as seen from directly astern.
A picture is worth a lot and here is a good 
example:Www.westmarine.com/westadvisor/navigation-light-rules


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 Original message 
From: robert via CnC-List  
Date: 2016-09-12  12:24 PM  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: robert  
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question 


The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast
just above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen
360 degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is
longer a legal requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a
legal requirement when motoring or motor sailing.



Am I correct?



Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.







On 2016-09-12 10:11 AM, Frederick G
  Street via CnC-List wrote:



  
  Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware
  of, a steaming light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still 
required, when motoring at night, along
  with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light.  Maybe Canadian regs
  are different.
  

  
  On your existing fixture, the black is probably a
common ground for the deck and steaming light; the red and green
will be separate positive leads for each of the two lights.
  

  
  The replacement light from the Binnacle may only
show one white wire; but my guess is that it contains three
conductors, the same as the existing fixture.
  

  
  — Fred


  
  



  

  


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis

  S/V Oceanis (1979
  C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield,
  WI
  

  

  
  
  





  
On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via
  CnC-List 
  wrote:


When
up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming,
Bow, Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad
shape.probably the original 32 years old.  Will
probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this
Fall although I understand this light is no longer
legally required...but I do like the halogen
foredeck light.

  

  I
found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost
similar to the existing one:

  

  
Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html

  

  It
appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3)
white wires exiting the foot of the mast connecting to
'green, red and black' ..I assume the green is
negative, red is positive and black in ground.

  

  Here's
the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle
only has one white wire as a connection...there is
(are) no other places on the back of the fixture to
connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3
connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it
to be sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white
wire', how do you connect it?

  

  As
you can tell, I am no electrician.

  

  Rob
Abbott

  AZURA

  C
32 - 84

  Halifax,
N.S.
  



  
  

  
  

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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Jonathan,

I would never advocate for non-standard lights. I fully agree that the rules 
are there, so that we can identify other vessels quickly and without mistake.

And yes, sorry, I was trying to be pedantic.

Marek

From: Indigo via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 13:45
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Indigo 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

Marek
To be pedantic - you are correct for boats up to 12 meters (40ft approx) 
(combined all round white is acceptable - but has to be 1 meter above the side 
lights) but the regs require separate steaming / masthead and stern lights 
above that size unless the boat is greater than 20 meters when two masthead 
lights are required. (I do wonder how large, single masted sail boats comply?)

I agree that being visible to other boats is important - but no where near as 
important as keeping ones own lookout (Navigation Rule #1) (Can single-handed 
long distance boaters really comply?)) and being able to quickly identify the 
type and heading of nearby vessels. For this we need other vessels to display 
the correct lights. Think of the danger that would arise if a tug boat captain 
decided to put an all round white on his towed barge - just to make it more 
visible. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

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[Indigo via CnC-List]

Marek
To be pedantic - you are correct for boats up to 12 meters (40ft approx) 
(combined all round white is acceptable - but has to be 1 meter above the side 
lights) but the regs require separate steaming / masthead and stern lights 
above that size unless the boat is greater than 20 meters when two masthead 
lights are required. (I do wonder how large, single masted sail boats comply?)

I agree that being visible to other boats is important - but no where near as 
important as keeping ones own lookout (Navigation Rule #1) (Can single-handed 
long distance boaters really comply?)) and being able to quickly identify the 
type and heading of nearby vessels. For this we need other vessels to display 
the correct lights. Think of the danger that would arise if a tug boat captain 
decided to put an all round white on his towed barge - just to make it more 
visible. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 12:26, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is not entirely correct. You have to display a white light 360 degrees 
> AND the red/green side lights. The rule does not specify How you should 
> display that 360 degree white light. It can be a single light (as long as, 
> when you could see the side lights, it is above them) or it can be a 
> combination o


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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Rob,

As Frederick said, whoever told you that was mistaken. 

This illustrates what you have to show: 
http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules (scroll down to a 
picture at the bottom of the page).  Keep in mind that HOW you display the 
light is up to you (one light, combination of several lights), as long as you 
display the RIGHT COLOURS and in the RIGHT SEGMENTS.

Marek

From: robert via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:29
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

Marek:

The light on the front of the mast about 1/2 way up just above the spreaders is 
the one I am talking about..I was told it is no longer a legal requirement 
but the 'anchor light' at the top of the mast is a legal requirement..it 
can be seen 360 degrees but the light 1/2 way up the front of the mast can not 
be seen 360 degrees.

I didn't think a single wire made sense also and did not buy the fixture. I 
will buy the more expensive Aqua Signal.

Thanks all for your input.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S. 


On 2016-09-12 10:24 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:

  Rob,
  I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You 
don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, unless 
you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn off the 
stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast).
  A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at 
least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not buy 
it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each function, i.e. 
negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, positive - deck light. 
Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow to run the power with a 
single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is one like that, the switch 
turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but if you switch it off and on 
again, it would turn the deck light, and again - both. You would have to decide 
if that meets your needs.
  If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the bullet 
and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. 
  Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price) 
with 3 wires: 
http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547.
  Marek
  From: robert via CnC-List 
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: robert 
  Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question
  When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, 
  Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 
  years old. Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this 
  Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally 
  required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light.

  I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to 
  the existing one:

  
Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html

  It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires 
  exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' 
  ..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.

  Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has 
  one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on 
  the back of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture 
  has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be 
  sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?

  As you can tell, I am no electrician.

  Rob Abbott
  AZURA
  C 32 - 84
  Halifax, N.S.

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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Under power you cannot display 360 degree red/green light.

If you have a tricolour (segments + anchor), your 135 degree stern segment 
should be off when you turn on the anchor light, i.e. you would not display two 
lights towards the stern). However, the lights would be inverted (white is 
below red/green).

Marek

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:22
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

So if you have a combo tricolor/anchor masthead light and you are under power 
should they both be on? 

Joel

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might
  be useless. Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas.
  There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not
  visible. Shipping lanes are very busy down there. To me, safety is more
  important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light.
  Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages
  regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo.


  Petar Horvatic
  Sundowner
  76 C 38MkII
  Newport, RI





  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo
  via CnC-List

  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:46 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Indigo
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

  As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are
  international. There should be no difference in requirement between
  countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions -
  type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification. When
  under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the
  red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The
  steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights -
  which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a
  steaming/masthead light. If under sail alone one should not display a
  steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under
  power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.!

  --
  Jonathan
  Indigo C 35III
  SOUTHPORT CT

  > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
  wrote:
  >
  > "It is not required under sail."


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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question -> are you towing ?

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Using a tri-color mast light and a steaming light could confuse your vessel 
with a vessel towing an object(side views have colored light above white 
light).It can take only one late night encounter with a towing vessel to 
appreciate the different light arrangements used for navigation.

Of course, I agree that safety is most important, but it is just as or more 
important not to rely on others seeing you but that you see them.  One of the 
best and extremely affordable safety investment I’ve made was the purchase of a 
Standard Horizon VHF with AIS.   I have the AIS signal connected to my chart 
plotter to show AIS data and alarms. Some times, its a PITA(or bonus) when 
folks leave their AIS on while at the dock, but when sailing offshore in high 
traffic areas, it is great to have the AIS alarm and comforting to see the AIS 
data right on the chart plotter.   Receiving the vessels MMSI allows for easy 
DSC VHF calling.   More often than not, friendly late night chats are not only 
informative but enjoyable for both.   
 
-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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> 
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:59:26 -0400
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> 
> On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might
> be useless.  Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas.
> There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not
> visible.  Shipping lanes are very busy down there.  To me, safety is more
> important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light.
> Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages
> regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo.  
> 
> 
> Petar Horvatic
> Sundowner
> 76 C 38MkII
> Newport, RI

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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

For that you can always put a combination light (red over green, 360 degrees) 
at the top of the mast (in ADDITION to the normal stern and side lights).

I don’t want to hop on a high horse, but ANY variation from the rules creates a 
confusion.

Though, I agree that in a swell the normal navigation lights that we carry 
(what? 3-4 ft. above water?) are simply not visible. I remember a situation 
when, at night off-shore, we sailed probably less then 100 m from another 
sailboat (fortunately on parallel courses) and weren’t aware of each other for 
a long time, because we were a few waves away and either them or us were in the 
trough and the waves obscured the other vessel's lights.

Of course we all are guilty of not following the rules (e.g. raise hand who 
regularly displays a day shape when anchoring (for extra points, who knows what 
the day shape for anchoring is), or worse yet – who regularly (or even 
occasionally) displays the day shape that is required for a sailing vessel 
under auxiliary power? (double points if you know what that one is without 
looking up)).

Marek

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On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might
be useless.  Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas.
There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not
visible.  Shipping lanes are very busy down there.  To me, safety is more
important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light.
Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages
regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo.  


Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C 38MkII
Newport, RI


  


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As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are
international. There should be no difference in requirement between
countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions -
type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification.  When
under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the
red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The
steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights -
which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a
steaming/masthead light.   If under sail alone one should not display a
steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under
power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

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>   "It is not required under sail."


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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Jonathan,

There are no differences between Canada and the US. As you said, it is a 
international rule.

You said: “When under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST 
display the red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead 
light.” This is not entirely correct. You have to display a white light 360 
degrees AND the red/green side lights. The rule does not specify How you should 
display that 360 degree white light. It can be a single light (as long as, when 
you could see the side lights, it is above them) or it can be a combination of 
the stern light and the steaming light (i.e. the two lights complement each 
other to complete a full 360 degree visibility).

So theoretically (and I do not intend to defend Hunter for doing it this way; I 
thin it is silly) you can have a mast-top white 360 degree light and a stern 
white light on separate switches and use one (stern light) when you are sailing 
and the other (mast-top) when motoring (and they have to be mutually 
exclusive). You would have to have the side lights (red/green) on a separate 
switch, as well.

btw. I think that if one was showing a 360 degree white light and the side 
lights, one would be considered a “vessel under power” (regardless if your 
motor is on or off). The only confusion would be that of that vessel’s skipper 
(he might think he was a sailing vessel, but nobody else would).

Marek
C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

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As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are 
international. There should be no difference in requirement between countries - 
that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - type of vessel 
identification, and vessel heading identification.  When under power, whether 
the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights 
and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The steaming / masthead light 
must be higher than the red / green bow lights - which is why it is not correct 
to use a masthead tricolor with a steaming/masthead light.   If under sail 
alone one should not display a steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be 
confused for a vessel under power. Might be bad where a possibility of 
collision exists.!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>   "It is not required under sail."


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[David via CnC-List]

Yup

I have been confused many times offshore by those who are sporting the tri and 
the steaming light.   Not fun at 3:00am trying to figure out what is coming at 
you.


David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 11:43:20 -0400
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If my cheat sheet is current it says:
 
When Under Power:  You must use your navigation and steaming 
lights.
 
When Under Sail:  Use either your masthead tricolor or deck 
level navigation lights, but not both
 
 
Lloyd Lippe
Finesse
1985 C Landfall 39  












 

 
 


 

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Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question
 
I 
always understood the 'steaming light' was the one I am talking about.the 
one on the front of the mast, not the one on top of the mast.  


Interesting my brother's boat is a 2007 Hunter 33 and it does not have a 
'steaming light' on the front of his mast.  Wonder why Hunter would not 
have put one there if it is a legal requirement?

I will replace mine 
later in the Fall when the mast is down with a quality fixtureprobably an 
Aqua Signal for 3X the cost.

Rob Abbott


 

   
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[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

I believe the confusion here is because in the COLREGS the "steaming light" is 
referred to as a masthead light.   On most sailboats it is not at the top of 
the mast.  People confuse "masthead" with the all around anchor light.

If you are under power (sails up or not) you must display the masthead light 
which lights up an arc of 225 degrees.   The other point of confusion may be 
that if a vessel is less than 12m in length, she can display an all around 
white light instead of the mastlight and sternlight. 

The tricolour light can be used if the vessel is less than 20m.

Mike
Atacama 33mkii
Toronto 


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If my cheat sheet is current it says:

When Under Power:  You must use your navigation and steaming lights.

When Under Sail:  Use either your masthead tricolor or deck level navigation 
lights, but not both


Lloyd Lippe
Finesse
1985 C Landfall 39  

 

 




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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

I always understood the 'steaming light' was the one I am talking about.the 
one on the front of the mast, not the one on top of the mast.  

Interesting my brother's boat is a 2007 Hunter 33 and it does not have a 
'steaming light' on the front of his mast.  Wonder why Hunter would not have 
put one there if it is a legal requirement?

I will replace mine later in the Fall when the mast is down with a quality 
fixtureprobably an Aqua Signal for 3X the cost.

Rob Abbott



   

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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I think whoever told you that is mistaken; the steaming light is NOT an 
all-around light, and is made to combine with the nav lights to show the proper 
lighting arrangement while moving under power.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:24 AM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The light I am talking about is the one 1/2 up the front of the mast just 
> above the spreadersnot the one on the top of the mast seen 360 
> degrees..I was told the one on the front of the mast is longer a legal 
> requirement but the one on the top of the mast is a legal requirement when 
> motoring or motor sailing.
> 
> Am I correct?
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.

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That might satisfy the below/above rule but I am not sure how having all around 
white few inches below tricolor affects the red/green.  I never really took the 
dinghy away from the boat at night to see. 

 

To me Rule #1 is be visible.  So under power at night outside, tri-color is on, 
and steaming light at the first spreader is on.  In the bay and harbors, I use 
deck level running lights.Again for visibility.  You’ll be surprised how 
many taxis/ small powerboats don’t look up at night.  I almost got hit sailing 
into Newport Harbor by a small power boat as he did not bother looking up to 
see the tri-color.

 

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

From: Joel Aronson [mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Petar Horvatic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

 

So if you have a combo tricolor/anchor masthead light and you are under power 
should they both be on?

 

Joel

 

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might
be useless.  Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas.
There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not
visible.  Shipping lanes are very busy down there.  To me, safety is more
important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light.
Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages
regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo.


Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C 38MkII
Newport, RI





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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are
international. There should be no difference in requirement between
countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions -
type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification.  When
under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the
red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The
steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights -
which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a
steaming/masthead light.   If under sail alone one should not display a
steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under
power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
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>   "It is not required under sail."


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[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Rob, I'm pretty sure the steaming light is still required to be shown when
you're motoring or motorsailing.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:49 AM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck
> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old.
> Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I
> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the
> halogen foredeck light.
>
> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the
> existing one:
>
> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MAS
> THEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
>
> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires
> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I
> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.
>
> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has
> one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the
> back of the fixture to connect other wires.  So if my old fixture has 3
> connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and
> this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?
>
> As you can tell, I am no electrician.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

So if you have a combo tricolor/anchor masthead light and you are under
power should they both be on?

Joel

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights
> might
> be useless.  Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to
> Bahamas.
> There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are
> not
> visible.  Shipping lanes are very busy down there.  To me, safety is more
> important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light.
> Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages
> regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo.
>
>
> Petar Horvatic
> Sundowner
> 76 C 38MkII
> Newport, RI
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:46 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Indigo
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question
>
> As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are
> international. There should be no difference in requirement between
> countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions -
> type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification.  When
> under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the
> red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The
> steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights -
> which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a
> steaming/masthead light.   If under sail alone one should not display a
> steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under
> power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.!
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> > On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> >
> wrote:
> >
> >   "It is not required under sail."
>
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[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

On the high seas, especially in swell, those deck level running lights might
be useless.  Typical example is crossing the gulf stream from FL to Bahamas.
There is so much traffic there and if swell is up, deck level lights are not
visible.  Shipping lanes are very busy down there.  To me, safety is more
important than if red/green are below or above the steaming light.
Tri-color takes priority for overnight crossings and offshore passages
regardless of what the rules are, especially if going solo.  


Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C 38MkII
Newport, RI


  


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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Indigo
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are
international. There should be no difference in requirement between
countries - that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions -
type of vessel identification, and vessel heading identification.  When
under power, whether the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the
red / green bow lights and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The
steaming / masthead light must be higher than the red / green bow lights -
which is why it is not correct to use a masthead tricolor with a
steaming/masthead light.   If under sail alone one should not display a
steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be confused for a vessel under
power. Might be bad where a possibility of collision exists.!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
> 
>   "It is not required under sail."


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[Indigo via CnC-List]

As far as I know the various navigation light combinations for boats are 
international. There should be no difference in requirement between countries - 
that would be highly dangerous. Nav lights have two functions - type of vessel 
identification, and vessel heading identification.  When under power, whether 
the sails are up or not, a sail boat MUST display the red / green bow lights 
and stern light AND a steaming / masthead light. The steaming / masthead light 
must be higher than the red / green bow lights - which is why it is not correct 
to use a masthead tricolor with a steaming/masthead light.   If under sail 
alone one should not display a steaming/masthead light otherwise you might be 
confused for a vessel under power. Might be bad where a possibility of 
collision exists.!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 09:19, Ron Ricci via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>   "It is not required under sail."


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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Rob,

I am not sure to which part you refer as “no longer legally required”. You 
don’t need the deck light, for sure, but you do need a steaming light, unless 
you can show a 360 degrees white light in some other way (e.g. turn off the 
stern light and turn on the anchor light at the top of the mast).

A single wire out of the combination light does not make sense. You need at 
least two, unless they try using the mast as the ground (then I would not buy 
it). Most of the combo lights come with separate leads for each function, i.e. 
negative/ground (usually common), positive - steaming, positive - deck light. 
Some combo lights had a switch in the unit that allow to run the power with a 
single positive wire (plus the negative). If this is one like that, the switch 
turns e.g. steaming light when you turn it on, but if you switch it off and on 
again, it would turn the deck light, and again  - both. You would have to 
decide if that meets your needs.

If it really has a single wire, I am afraid, you will have to bite the bullet 
and spend twice (3x?) as much on the Aqua Signal. 

Marine Outfitters (Kingston) has very similar light (for very similar price) 
with 3 wires: 
http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10002|1|11312=38614998=90021547.

Marek

From: robert via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 08:50
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Electrical Question

When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, 
Foredeck Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 
years old.  Will probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this 
Fall although I understand this light is no longer legally 
required...but I do like the halogen foredeck light.

I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to 
the existing one:

Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html

It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires 
exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' 
..I assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.

Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has 
one white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on 
the back of the fixture to connect other wires.  So if my old fixture 
has 3 connections (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be 
sure) and this new fixture only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?

As you can tell, I am no electrician.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

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[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Robert,

I have a similar combination Steaming/Foredeck Light.  The steaming light is
required when under power at night.  It is not required under sail.  Mine
has three wires, a common (black), 12 VDC for steaming light (red) and 12
VDC (white) for foredeck light.  Your colors may be different, look where
the conductors terminate.  Originally there were three separate #16 AWG
wires which I replaced with a single 3 conductor #18 AWG cable.  The 20 watt
foredeck and LED steaming light draw under 2 amps.  


Regards,
Ron
Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI
(978) 877-0369
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Question

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Rob — unless there have been changes in regs that I’m not aware of, a steaming 
light (also referred to as a masthead light) IS still required, when motoring 
at night, along with the bow (or sidelights) and stern light.  Maybe Canadian 
regs are different.

On your existing fixture, the black is probably a common ground for the deck 
and steaming light; the red and green will be separate positive leads for each 
of the two lights.

The replacement light from the Binnacle may only show one white wire; but my 
guess is that it contains three conductors, the same as the existing fixture.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:49 AM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> When up the mast the other day, I noticed that my 'Steaming, Bow, Foredeck 
> Light' was in pretty bad shape.probably the original 32 years old.  Will 
> probably replace it when the mast is hauled later this Fall although I 
> understand this light is no longer legally required...but I do like the 
> halogen foredeck light.
> 
> I found this one linked below at the Binnacle...almost similar to the 
> existing one:
> 
> Lights-Steaming-Spreader-&-Deck-Lights/c23_156/p1349/AAA-MASTHEAD-/-DECK-LIGHT/product_info.html
> 
> It appears, without removing mine, that there are three (3) white wires 
> exiting the foot of the mast connecting to 'green, red and black' ..I 
> assume the green is negative, red is positive and black in ground.
> 
> Here's the question..the new light fixture at the Binnacle only has one 
> white wire as a connection...there is (are) no other places on the back 
> of the fixture to connect other wires. So if my old fixture has 3 connections 
> (assuming it does but I have not removed it to be sure) and this new fixture 
> only has one 'white wire', how do you connect it?
> 
> As you can tell, I am no electrician.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.

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