Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

A good buddy of mine rebuilt his Jeanneau rudder – it came out great! It is now 
a year old and just went back in the water for the season. I’ll try to get some 
pictures.

Gary

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dan via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 12:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dan 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

 

Thanks everyone,

I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options are 
landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way beyond 
my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to "match" 
something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200 US to get 
it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process using CAD 
software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any Americas Cup 
contender but drives the price as expected.

 

 

Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving 15lb 
density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:

http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html

 

Dan

 

 

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent 
workmanship,Canadian 

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
> 
> Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where did 
> you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they have an 
> existing mold to work with.
> 
> Dan Cormier
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the input and advice - It's incredibly helpful to get
multiple approaches and info on the construction.
My rudder is very long. When we hauled out last year the tip of the rudder
was level with the bottom of the wing keel, so roughly 5-6 ft.
I'm still skeptical that the fins/wings are made of mild steel but like
anyting it will require a dissection and thorough inspection. If I find any
real corrosion (I'm sure I will) I will hire a welder and replace the fins
with 316 stainless ones.

I'm still heavily leaning towards the DIY approach (similar to what Graham
did) using rigid foam or a poured foam block and carving it down using the
original rudder shell as a template, then glassing or hiring a pro to glass
the whole thing for me, sealing the shaft, then barrier coat, bottom paint,
etc. for much less than the quotes I was given and still be a solid
dependable construction if I do everything right.

I do watch Sail Life on Youtube - Madz is doing an amazing job so far. I'm
not a fan of the clamshell method where building a mold is twice the work
and probably twice the cost, but I'm excited to see his results.

Thanks again!
Dan




On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 12:57 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In the late 70’s early 80’s some C owners here were lengthening their
> rudders, there is a fellow here who interned at C in the early 70’s who
> designed the modified rudders.  I did two modifications using the existing
> shafts, and one from scratch, but not the fiberglass. The ribs were 11
> Gauge SS in the shape of the rudder, and a 1” X 1/8” strap wrapped around
> that, and welded to the shape, making like a T section. I then layed it
> flat on some cardboard and poured foam over it, and they just sanded it
> down to the ribs using a long sandpapered 2X4.  And then someone fiber
> glassed them.
>
> My boat was owned by an older fellow at the time, and he sent it with the
> local designers sketch to Bruckmans, and they did the rudder.
>
> Fast forward 10 years, and I own the boat for a year and haul the boat in
> the fall with half the rudders fiberglass missing .  I brought it back to
> the shop and made a 14 gauge SS rudder, 30 or 40 pounds lighter, and still
> bone dry today.
>
> So, there are many options.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 20, 2019 12:40 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dan
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options
> are landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way
> beyond my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to
> "match" something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200
> US to get it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process
> using CAD software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any
> Americas Cup contender but drives the price as expected.
>
>
>
> Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving
> 15lb density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
>
> http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent
> workmanship,Canadian 
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> >
> > Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where
> did you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they
> have an existing mold to work with.
> >
> > Dan Cormier
> > Breakaweigh
> > C
> > Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

In the late 70’s early 80’s some C owners here were lengthening their 
rudders, there is a fellow here who interned at C in the early 70’s who 
designed the modified rudders.  I did two modifications using the existing 
shafts, and one from scratch, but not the fiberglass. The ribs were 11 Gauge SS 
in the shape of the rudder, and a 1” X 1/8” strap wrapped around that, and 
welded to the shape, making like a T section. I then layed it flat on some 
cardboard and poured foam over it, and they just sanded it down to the ribs 
using a long sandpapered 2X4.  And then someone fiber glassed them.  

My boat was owned by an older fellow at the time, and he sent it with the local 
designers sketch to Bruckmans, and they did the rudder. 

Fast forward 10 years, and I own the boat for a year and haul the boat in the 
fall with half the rudders fiberglass missing .  I brought it back to the shop 
and made a 14 gauge SS rudder, 30 or 40 pounds lighter, and still bone dry 
today.

So, there are many options.  

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via 
CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 12:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dan
Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

 

Thanks everyone,

I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options are 
landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way beyond 
my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to "match" 
something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200 US to get 
it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process using CAD 
software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any Americas Cup 
contender but drives the price as expected.

 

Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving 15lb 
density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:

http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html

 

Dan

 

 

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent 
workmanship,Canadian 

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where did 
> you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they have an 
> existing mold to work with.
> 
> Dan Cormier
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Mild steel structure inside the rudder is BAD!

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently traveling north on ICW)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Apr 20, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Daniel Cormier via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rob,
> It sounds unbelievable but I was told by the last fibreglass man to have 
> worked on my rudder that the fins/grid structure inside my rudder (original) 
> are made from MILD STEEL and welded to the stainless steel post. Where many 
> of us have wet rudders, this is obviously very very bad. I’ll send an email 
> to the list when I have the rudder open to verify this. Part of the current 
> plan is to cut these away and replace with 316 stainless fins.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Robert Boyer  wrote:
>> 
>> The metal grid structure inside the rudder is very important. On our C’s 
>> this structure is made from stainless steel plates that are welded to the 
>> stainless steel rudder shaft.  Tartan 37’s are known to have a problem with 
>> their carbon steel internal rudder plates that were welded to the stainless 
>> steel rudder shaft—the carbon steel internal structure would corrode (from 
>> inadvertent water exposure) allowing the shaft to rotate inside the rudder.  
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> Bob Boyer
>> s/v Rainy Days
>> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
>> (Presently traveling north on ICW)
>> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone,
>>> I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options 
>>> are landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way 
>>> beyond my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to 
>>> "match" something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200 
>>> US to get it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process 
>>> using CAD software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any 
>>> Americas Cup contender but drives the price as expected.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving 
>>> 15lb density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
>>> http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent 
 workmanship,Canadian 
 
 Rod
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  
 > wrote:
 > 
 > Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where 
 > did you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they 
 > have an existing mold to work with.
 > 
 > Dan Cormier
 > Breakaweigh
 > C
 > Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[G Collins via CnC-List]

I rebuilt mine from a bare post up, (got someone else to do the welding but did 
all the rest).  Pics sent to Dan.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2019-04-20 1:39 a.m., Dan via CnC-List wrote:
Thanks everyone,
I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options are 
landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way beyond 
my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to "match" 
something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200 US to get 
it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process using CAD 
software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any Americas Cup 
contender but drives the price as expected.

Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving 15lb 
density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html

Dan


On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent 
workmanship,Canadian 

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>
> Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where did 
> you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they have an 
> existing mold to work with.
>
> Dan Cormier
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

  
  
I've not rebuilt a rudder - but I've seen on one youtube.
Not sure if you're familiar with Sail Life channel - Mads is
  rebuilding a boat and does a mold of his existing rudder before. 
  He makes it look manageable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IjN9Sgm2qs
Mark



-
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Bedford Chiropractic  www.BedfordChiro.ca
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On 2019-04-20 1:39 a.m., Dan via
  CnC-List wrote:


  
  

  
Thanks everyone,
  I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition
Composites. Both options are landing well into the $5000
cdn range (including freight) which is way beyond my
budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold
but can try to "match" something similar which scares me
a little and it's roughliey $1200 US to get it to
Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech
process using CAD software and a milling machine which
I'm sure is standard for any Americas Cup contender but
drives the price as expected.
  
  
  Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've
been told carving 15lb density rigid foam and
encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
  http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html
  
  
  Dan
  
  

  

  
  
  
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00
  AM Rod Stright via CnC-List  wrote:

I
  would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent
  workmanship,Canadian 
  
  Rod
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  > On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
  > 
  > Has any C owners on the list replaced their
  rudder, and if so, where did you have the work done? - The
  price is dramatically reduced if they have an existing mold to
  work with.
  > 
  > Dan Cormier
  > Breakaweigh
  > C
  > Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Dan:

I’ve reported on this before so I apologize for boring everybody.

I had high moisture readings in the rudder on my 42 when I bought the boat. 
 We did not open it up to inspect the metal (stainless vs. regular), so I can’t 
comment about this issue.  In my case, we drilled a number of holes in a 
pattern on one side of the rudder, through the core, until the bit hit glass on 
the other side.  We then made a “coffin/oven” out of plywood to house the 
rudder over the winter, and heated the inside to 200 degrees or thereabouts.  
After baking the rudder for a few months, we tested it with the moisture meter 
and, voila, it was dry.  We then filled the holes with West System, and covered 
the rudder with numerous layers of Interprotect before painting.  So far, so 
good.

Matt
C 42 Custom   

From: Dan via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 12:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Dan 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

Thanks everyone, 
I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options are 
landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way beyond 
my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to "match" 
something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200 US to get 
it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process using CAD 
software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any Americas Cup 
contender but drives the price as expected.

Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving 15lb 
density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html

Dan


On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent 
workmanship,Canadian 

  Rod

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
  > 
  > Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where 
did you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they have an 
existing mold to work with.
  > 
  > Dan Cormier
  > Breakaweigh
  > C
  > Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

By 1990 they were shown in the construction drawing as 3' x 1/16" stainless
steel straps welded to a stainless steel rudder post, according to this:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GXI7YFjZL8c/WZoTeVoH5wI/AAABmME/SwETqRlQXgsaotrBTiRb75X0xlBNQ_oXACLcBGAs/s1600/Rudder%2BDesign%2B%2526%2BHull%2BLaminate%2BSchedules%2B-%2B1990.jpg

Ken H.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 10:11, Daniel Cormier via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks Rob,
> It sounds unbelievable but I was told by the last fibreglass man to have
> worked on my rudder that the fins/grid structure inside my rudder
> (original) are made from MILD STEEL and welded to the stainless steel post.
> Where many of us have wet rudders, this is obviously very very bad. I’ll
> send an email to the list when I have the rudder open to verify this. Part
> of the current plan is to cut these away and replace with 316 stainless
> fins.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 20, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Robert Boyer  wrote:
>
> The metal grid structure inside the rudder is very important. On our C’s
> this structure is made from stainless steel plates that are welded to the
> stainless steel rudder shaft.  Tartan 37’s are known to have a problem with
> their carbon steel internal rudder plates that were welded to the stainless
> steel rudder shaft—the carbon steel internal structure would corrode (from
> inadvertent water exposure) allowing the shaft to rotate inside the rudder.
>
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
> (Presently traveling north on ICW)
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
>
> On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone,
> I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options
> are landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way
> beyond my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to
> "match" something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200
> US to get it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process
> using CAD software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any
> Americas Cup contender but drives the price as expected.
>
> Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving
> 15lb density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
> http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent
>> workmanship,Canadian 
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so,
>> where did you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if
>> they have an existing mold to work with.
>> >
>> > Dan Cormier
>> > Breakaweigh
>> > C
>> > Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Daniel Cormier via CnC-List]

Thanks Rob,
It sounds unbelievable but I was told by the last fibreglass man to have worked 
on my rudder that the fins/grid structure inside my rudder (original) are made 
from MILD STEEL and welded to the stainless steel post. Where many of us have 
wet rudders, this is obviously very very bad. I’ll send an email to the list 
when I have the rudder open to verify this. Part of the current plan is to cut 
these away and replace with 316 stainless fins.

Dan

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> On Apr 20, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Robert Boyer  wrote:
> 
> The metal grid structure inside the rudder is very important. On our C’s 
> this structure is made from stainless steel plates that are welded to the 
> stainless steel rudder shaft.  Tartan 37’s are known to have a problem with 
> their carbon steel internal rudder plates that were welded to the stainless 
> steel rudder shaft—the carbon steel internal structure would corrode (from 
> inadvertent water exposure) allowing the shaft to rotate inside the rudder. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> Bob Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
> (Presently traveling north on ICW)
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone,
>> I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options are 
>> landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way 
>> beyond my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to 
>> "match" something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200 
>> US to get it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process 
>> using CAD software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any 
>> Americas Cup contender but drives the price as expected.
>> 
>> Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving 15lb 
>> density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
>> http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent 
>>> workmanship,Canadian 
>>> 
>>> Rod
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> > On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  
>>> > wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where 
>>> > did you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they 
>>> > have an existing mold to work with.
>>> > 
>>> > Dan Cormier
>>> > Breakaweigh
>>> > C
>>> > Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

The metal grid structure inside the rudder is very important. On our C’s this 
structure is made from stainless steel plates that are welded to the stainless 
steel rudder shaft.  Tartan 37’s are known to have a problem with their carbon 
steel internal rudder plates that were welded to the stainless steel rudder 
shaft—the carbon steel internal structure would corrode (from inadvertent water 
exposure) allowing the shaft to rotate inside the rudder.  

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently traveling north on ICW)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Thanks everyone,
> I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options are 
> landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way beyond 
> my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to "match" 
> something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200 US to get 
> it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process using CAD 
> software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any Americas 
> Cup contender but drives the price as expected.
> 
> Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving 15lb 
> density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
> http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent 
>> workmanship,Canadian 
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where 
>> > did you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they 
>> > have an existing mold to work with.
>> > 
>> > Dan Cormier
>> > Breakaweigh
>> > C
>> > Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone,
I've looked into both Foss Foam and Competition Composites. Both options
are landing well into the $5000 cdn range (including freight) which is way
beyond my budget. Foss Foam doesn't have a C Rudder mold but can try to
"match" something similar which scares me a little and it's roughliey $1200
US to get it to Canada. Competition has a very expensive high-tech process
using CAD software and a milling machine which I'm sure is standard for any
Americas Cup contender but drives the price as expected.

Has anyone tried to re-build their own rudder? - I've been told carving
15lb density rigid foam and encapuslating is the way to go - like this:
http://boatprojects.blogspot.com/2011/07/rudder-rebuild.html

Dan


On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 9:00 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent
> workmanship,Canadian 
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> >
> > Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where
> did you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they
> have an existing mold to work with.
> >
> > Dan Cormier
> > Breakaweigh
> > C
> > Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

I would suggest Competition Composites in Ontario excellent 
workmanship,Canadian 

Rod

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> On Apr 18, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where did 
> you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they have an 
> existing mold to work with.
> 
> Dan Cormier
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Going on about 7 years ago, we ended up bending our rudder stock through a 
combination of a dark night, distraction and other circumstances I care not to 
discuss in public.  In the end, a new rudder was fabricated by Foss Foam out of 
Florida.  It was noticeably lighter than the previous version, and the boat 
seemed to sail a bit better after that.I would highly recommend them, presuming 
they are still in business.Just my $.02 worth,Bruce WhitmoreSent from Samsung 
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

Dan, three years ago I had my 33 mk II rebuilt by Compétition composite in 
ontario 
http://cci.one/site/marine/foils-a-z/cc/?doing_wp_cron=1555635569.6945309638977050781250

They did a fantastique job. CNC machined high density corecell core, vaccum 
bagged with epoxy resin. The shape and symetry is perfect. It feels awesome.  
They uses the original planform. I sent them my delaminated wet rudder, they 
wanted to measure it to be sure of the hull clearance, they inspect the rudder 
post and it was perfect so they used it for the rebuilt. If i remember it was a 
bit cheaper than a new one from Southshore and the quality seemed superior. Who 
knows.

 If they don't have it for the 44, you can get the planform from the original 
drawings. ( available from a museum in Ontario, don't remember the exact name 
but other listers will)

Shipping was expensive, I had to have a very sturdy wood cradle made to ship 
the rudder and of them to reuse. When I received it I was glad to have made it 
bomproof because the box was damaged but not the precious new rudder.

Good luck!

Bruno Lachance
Bécassine 33mkII
New Richmond, Qc

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Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where did 
you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they have an 
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Re: Stus-List Replacing a CnC 44 Rudder

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I replaced the rudder on my LF38 about 12 years ago.  I bought the replacement 
rudder from South Shore and had it shipped to my boatyard in Maryland.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently traveling north on ICW)
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email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Apr 18, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where did 
> you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they have an 
> existing mold to work with.
> 
> Dan Cormier
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
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[Dan via CnC-List]

Has any C owners on the list replaced their rudder, and if so, where
did you have the work done? - The price is dramatically reduced if they
have an existing mold to work with.

Dan Cormier
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS
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