Stus-List Whisker pole with a 37/40+?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,

I was wondering if you folks can give me some advice as to rigging a
whisker pole on our 37/40+.  The boat, which has spent a good part of its
time on the west coast of Florida, was previously named "Dagny" and saw its
share of races.  Yet, the boat does not have a whisker pole ring/car on the
front of the mast, and does not have a whisker pole onboard.  Nor does it
have the equipment for a spinnaker pole, though the boat came with a
symmetrical spinnaker.

I'd like to rig a whisker pole for use with our 150 Genoa and a large
asymmetrical spinnaker.

Funny thing is, at the gooseneck, there is a bolt that holds the two pieces
together that has a ring mounted at the bottom.  I don't think it would get
the perfect angle, but would it be that easy to rig the pole to that ring?
A photo of that bolt/ring can be found here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/re5kalfn9slfidr/Gooseneck%20Fitting.jpg?dl=0

The 150 and the asymmetrical will both have the clew behind the mast most
if not all the time I would be using it.  In the case of the big
asymmetrical, I think it might be so far back as to bank up against the
rigging, though obviously I haven't used one on this boat as of yet.

Can anyone provide any insights?

Thank you!!!

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
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Stus-List whisker pole

[Barry Lenoble via CnC-List]

Hey,

I am not an expert but I will try to answer your questions. 

I race spinnaker on my friend's C 35 mark 3, and non spin on my 110.

When racing non spin I find that is it best to sail down wind directly to
the mark, sailing the least distance. Typically this will be dead downwind.
My whisker pole is also extendable and I usually extend it as far as I can.
I will wing the genoa out and I try to keep the pole square / perpendicular
to the wind. I have a pole topping lift but no downhaul. The pole mount on
my mast is not adjustable. I use the pole lift to keep the pole parallel to
the water. 

Don't forget to really really really trim the main for the conditions. Ease
the outhaul to really give the main draft. Release the Cunningham, ease the
halyard. Ease the backstay. Use the vang to keep the boom from skying. 

If possible, I try to set the headsail on starboard and the main on port.
This way I am on starboard tack so I have rights over a port boat, and, when
I reach the lower mark I just drop the pole, jibe the main, round the mark
and sheet everything in. Remember to set the sails for upwind trim (halyard,
outhaul, backstay, etc. ) BEFORE you round the mark.

Good luck,
Barry

Barry Lenoble
leno...@optonline.net
Deep Blue C, C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY




We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker
pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and
length.   I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some
boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have
achieved.  Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the
apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some
extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that.  Height I have no
idea.  Any general rules of thumb?

 


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount - update

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Thanks Ken!  I used black starboard.  1" thick.  12"x12" pieces are
available from McMaster-Carr for about $35.  Knowing that ultimately my
starting size would need to be roughly 5"x5"x2", I decided that a
12"x12"x1" piece was going to be the smallest usable and available size.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#9785T412

I started by cutting 5 pieces 6"x2" and stacked then together for a total
of 5x6x2.  I clamped them, applied masking tape, and traced the chock.  For
ease of managing them in the saw I cut the tape so that each layer could be
separated.  Used the saw to cut each piece a bit proud of the trace.  I
then reassembled (re-stacked) and finished the sides on the drum sander.  I
now had a 2" thick block that followed the footprint of the chock.

I carefully marked centerline before separating each layer again.  This
time I masked each layer on it's "inside" face - the face which originally
measured 6"x2".  On this face I carefully measured and traced the template
of the curvature of the mast on to the tape.  I then returned to the
bandsaw and cutout the curvature of the mast, again proud of the template.
Now back to the sander.  I started with the largest piece and was careful
to regularly check the fit to my template.  Once I had the first one done,
each of the successive pieces was checked to the template and to its
neighbors so that a smooth and even fit was accomplished.

A feather edge of flashing was left after all of this sanding so I
re-clamped and assembled the pieces and used the sander to dress everything
up.

Josh


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 10:49 AM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What was the material you made it out of in the end?  Is it black
> Starboard?  I missed that detail somehow.
>
> The finished product looks great!
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 16 March 2018 at 11:38, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Thought y'all might want an update on my whisker pole mast chock mount.
>>
>> I initially was trying to find a carpenter or wood worker with bandsaw or
>> scroll saw and a spindle sander that might have been able to make this
>> piece quickly and easily.  I was having a hard time articulating to people
>> exactly what I envisioned so I attempted to draw an example in 3D on
>> SketchUP.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=124KvsCtLJo2a8On7C41z0oSFVj0iHb-l
>>
>> I ended up taking my plan to a machinist who advised that he did not like
>> the idea of using starboard or layering pieces together.  He suggested
>> solid PTFE (Teflon).  With his confidence and knowledge of materials I
>> accepted his advice and agreed to have him make it.  By the end of the week
>> he contacted me and said that it was done.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1yylCrDkRVBWhbmGsrh4ZdtouE-jUpLLb
>>
>> I was extremely disappointed by the final outcome.  It was not as I had
>> designed and worse he made it out of white and then painted it.  I'm
>> concerned that any abrasion or hard impact will cause the paint to come off
>> reveling the dingy off-white base color.  He explained his own frustration
>> with the PTFE material, told me how he had spent upwards of 2 full days (16
>> hours @ $55) machining but was only charging for 1 day.  He even discounted
>> more than that for a total of $400.  $400!!!  I have enjoyed a good
>> working relationship with this machinist for some time now and he lives
>> quite close so... not wanting to destroy our relationship I begrudgingly
>> pay him, but not without first explaining my frustration.
>>
>> I went home with a renewed motivation to make my own.  Borrowed a band
>> saw and bought a spindle sander.  The ~$100 Skill bandsaw is an absolute
>> POS.  It was what I had available and fortunately was able to make due.
>> For anyone in the market for a bandsaw, I would recommend avoiding it at
>> all costs.
>>
>> http://a.co/9YKFSjf
>>
>> As for the spindle/drum sander, it was absolutely awesome!  I can't say
>> enough about how well it worked.  I have never heard of the company WEN
>> before and was quite sceptical but since Amazon is an easy return, I didn't
>> really have much to fear.  Now I'm thinking that the WEN drill press is
>> next on my wish list.
>>
>> http://a.co/0W0W8lY
>>
>> The mounting bolts go through the top and bottom layers of the 5 layer
>> sandwich, the curvature of the mast holds each layer on centerline, and the
>> chock holds pressure on each of the five layers keeping them tight against
>> the mast.  There is no structural need to bond the layers together.  The
>> whole thing turned out quite to my satisfaction which really just added
>> salt to the wound of having had the other piece made by the machinist.
>> Here's the final product installed.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=102YSIYduLS_S_hxnp0bxKp1naJK1WCG1
>>
>> Thanks to everybody who answered my questions along the way.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018, 

Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount - update

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

What was the material you made it out of in the end?  Is it black
Starboard?  I missed that detail somehow.

The finished product looks great!

Ken H.

On 16 March 2018 at 11:38, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thought y'all might want an update on my whisker pole mast chock mount.
>
> I initially was trying to find a carpenter or wood worker with bandsaw or
> scroll saw and a spindle sander that might have been able to make this
> piece quickly and easily.  I was having a hard time articulating to people
> exactly what I envisioned so I attempted to draw an example in 3D on
> SketchUP.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=124KvsCtLJo2a8On7C41z0oSFVj0iHb-l
>
> I ended up taking my plan to a machinist who advised that he did not like
> the idea of using starboard or layering pieces together.  He suggested
> solid PTFE (Teflon).  With his confidence and knowledge of materials I
> accepted his advice and agreed to have him make it.  By the end of the week
> he contacted me and said that it was done.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1yylCrDkRVBWhbmGsrh4ZdtouE-jUpLLb
>
> I was extremely disappointed by the final outcome.  It was not as I had
> designed and worse he made it out of white and then painted it.  I'm
> concerned that any abrasion or hard impact will cause the paint to come off
> reveling the dingy off-white base color.  He explained his own frustration
> with the PTFE material, told me how he had spent upwards of 2 full days (16
> hours @ $55) machining but was only charging for 1 day.  He even discounted
> more than that for a total of $400.  $400!!!  I have enjoyed a good
> working relationship with this machinist for some time now and he lives
> quite close so... not wanting to destroy our relationship I begrudgingly
> pay him, but not without first explaining my frustration.
>
> I went home with a renewed motivation to make my own.  Borrowed a band saw
> and bought a spindle sander.  The ~$100 Skill bandsaw is an absolute
> POS.  It was what I had available and fortunately was able to make due.
> For anyone in the market for a bandsaw, I would recommend avoiding it at
> all costs.
>
> http://a.co/9YKFSjf
>
> As for the spindle/drum sander, it was absolutely awesome!  I can't say
> enough about how well it worked.  I have never heard of the company WEN
> before and was quite sceptical but since Amazon is an easy return, I didn't
> really have much to fear.  Now I'm thinking that the WEN drill press is
> next on my wish list.
>
> http://a.co/0W0W8lY
>
> The mounting bolts go through the top and bottom layers of the 5 layer
> sandwich, the curvature of the mast holds each layer on centerline, and the
> chock holds pressure on each of the five layers keeping them tight against
> the mast.  There is no structural need to bond the layers together.  The
> whole thing turned out quite to my satisfaction which really just added
> salt to the wound of having had the other piece made by the machinist.
> Here's the final product installed.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=102YSIYduLS_S_hxnp0bxKp1naJK1WCG1
>
> Thanks to everybody who answered my questions along the way.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018, 7:20 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok Guys,
>>
>> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
>> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
>> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
>> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
>> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
>> curved leading edge of the mast.
>>
>> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this
>> situation.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> ___
>>
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>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount - update

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Thought y'all might want an update on my whisker pole mast chock mount.

I initially was trying to find a carpenter or wood worker with bandsaw or
scroll saw and a spindle sander that might have been able to make this
piece quickly and easily.  I was having a hard time articulating to people
exactly what I envisioned so I attempted to draw an example in 3D on
SketchUP.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=124KvsCtLJo2a8On7C41z0oSFVj0iHb-l

I ended up taking my plan to a machinist who advised that he did not like
the idea of using starboard or layering pieces together.  He suggested
solid PTFE (Teflon).  With his confidence and knowledge of materials I
accepted his advice and agreed to have him make it.  By the end of the week
he contacted me and said that it was done.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1yylCrDkRVBWhbmGsrh4ZdtouE-jUpLLb

I was extremely disappointed by the final outcome.  It was not as I had
designed and worse he made it out of white and then painted it.  I'm
concerned that any abrasion or hard impact will cause the paint to come off
reveling the dingy off-white base color.  He explained his own frustration
with the PTFE material, told me how he had spent upwards of 2 full days (16
hours @ $55) machining but was only charging for 1 day.  He even discounted
more than that for a total of $400.  $400!!!  I have enjoyed a good working
relationship with this machinist for some time now and he lives quite close
so... not wanting to destroy our relationship I begrudgingly pay him, but
not without first explaining my frustration.

I went home with a renewed motivation to make my own.  Borrowed a band saw
and bought a spindle sander.  The ~$100 Skill bandsaw is an absolute POS.
It was what I had available and fortunately was able to make due.  For
anyone in the market for a bandsaw, I would recommend avoiding it at all
costs.

http://a.co/9YKFSjf

As for the spindle/drum sander, it was absolutely awesome!  I can't say
enough about how well it worked.  I have never heard of the company WEN
before and was quite sceptical but since Amazon is an easy return, I didn't
really have much to fear.  Now I'm thinking that the WEN drill press is
next on my wish list.

http://a.co/0W0W8lY

The mounting bolts go through the top and bottom layers of the 5 layer
sandwich, the curvature of the mast holds each layer on centerline, and the
chock holds pressure on each of the five layers keeping them tight against
the mast.  There is no structural need to bond the layers together.  The
whole thing turned out quite to my satisfaction which really just added
salt to the wound of having had the other piece made by the machinist.
Here's the final product installed.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=102YSIYduLS_S_hxnp0bxKp1naJK1WCG1

Thanks to everybody who answered my questions along the way.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Fri, Feb 9, 2018, 7:20 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ok Guys,
>
> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
> curved leading edge of the mast.
>
> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Good call.  I considered that but the location of the chock is so close to
the bottom and the contour is from the bottom.  I don't know exactly how
much it is tapered but its not extreme.

Josh

On Feb 10, 2018 3:20 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
>
>
> Did you say the mast is pulled? Can you trace the curvature at the step
> end? If the mast extrusion is tapered, this won’t work.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 19:20
> *To:* C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount
>
>
>
> Ok Guys,
>
>
>
> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
> curved leading edge of the mast.
>
>
>
> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

If you have a tapered mast on a 37R, or 37 XL it only seems to taper above
the upper spreader.  Offshore Spar built those masts.  I'm not sure if the
37+ mast was tapered at all, and I don't know who built those masts.

Ken H.

On 10 February 2018 at 16:19, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
>
>
> Did you say the mast is pulled? Can you trace the curvature at the step
> end? If the mast extrusion is tapered, this won’t work.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2018 19:20
> *To:* C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount
>
>
>
> Ok Guys,
>
>
>
> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
> curved leading edge of the mast.
>
>
>
> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Josh,

Did you say the mast is pulled? Can you trace the curvature at the step end? If 
the mast extrusion is tapered, this won’t work.

Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 19:20
To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

Ok Guys,

I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast while 
it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard end of the 
pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm pretty much all 
set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard end of the pole.  
The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the curved leading edge of 
the mast.

I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.


Thanks,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

If you don't have a fancy contour guage or tool, use a length of solder.

Dennis C.

On Feb 9, 2018 7:28 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Or use a contour gauge and trace the shape. Then cut it to shape

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:18 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Tape a piece of 60 grit sandpaper to the mast.  Rub a piece of teak,
> Starboard, UHMW or whatever up and down until it conforms to the mast.  2-3
> beer job.  Builds biceps.  Better to hoist more beers.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 5:20 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok Guys,
>>
>> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
>> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
>> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
>> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
>> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
>> curved leading edge of the mast.
>>
>> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this
>> situation.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> ___
>>
>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>>
>>
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> --
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Neat trick!

In my case I actually have access to the bottom of the mast to get the
contour.

Josh

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018, 9:24 AM John Christopher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A carpenters trick is to;
>
> - place the teak against the mast
> - gauge the widest gap between the teak and the mast (outer edge)
> - wrap tape around a pencil same amount as gap (This will give you the
> widest point)
> - hold teak against mast, and trace the pencil (with tape) along the mast
> starting from widest point to the other end of the piece of teak.
> - this results in the exact curvature you need.
> - sand / cut (drum sander or otherwise)
>
> Contour gage works just as well, but if you don’t have one, and don’t plan
> to use it often, the above saves some money.
>
>
> /J
>
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>
> Tape a piece of 60 grit sandpaper to the mast.  Rub a piece of teak,
> Starboard, UHMW or whatever up and down until it conforms to the mast.  2-3
> beer job.  Builds biceps.  Better to hoist more beers.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 5:20 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok Guys,
>>
>> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
>> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
>> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
>> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
>> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
>> curved leading edge of the mast.
>>
>> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this
>> situation.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

A carpenters trick is to;

- place the teak against the mast
- gauge the widest gap between the teak and the mast (outer edge)
- wrap tape around a pencil same amount as gap (This will give you the widest 
point)
- hold teak against mast, and trace the pencil (with tape) along the mast 
starting from widest point to the other end of the piece of teak.
- this results in the exact curvature you need.
- sand / cut (drum sander or otherwise)

Contour gage works just as well, but if you don’t have one, and don’t plan to 
use it often, the above saves some money.


/J

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> Tape a piece of 60 grit sandpaper to the mast.  Rub a piece of teak, 
> Starboard, UHMW or whatever up and down until it conforms to the mast.  2-3 
> beer job.  Builds biceps.  Better to hoist more beers.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018 5:20 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List"  
>> wrote:
>> Ok Guys,
>> 
>> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast 
>> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard end 
>> of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm pretty 
>> much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard end of 
>> the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the curved 
>> leading edge of the mast.
>> 
>> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'm on board with your thoughts Dennis and Joel.  Some complications are
that the depth of the concave curvature to accommodate the mast is 1-5/8ths
which is a lot of sanding.  Furthermore the maximum available thickness for
starboard is 1" so some sort of stacking will be needed.

Thanks for the idea,
Josh

On Feb 9, 2018 7:20 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Ok Guys,
>
> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
> curved leading edge of the mast.
>
> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Or use a contour gauge and trace the shape. Then cut it to shape

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:18 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Tape a piece of 60 grit sandpaper to the mast.  Rub a piece of teak,
> Starboard, UHMW or whatever up and down until it conforms to the mast.  2-3
> beer job.  Builds biceps.  Better to hoist more beers.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 5:20 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok Guys,
>>
>> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
>> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
>> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
>> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
>> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
>> curved leading edge of the mast.
>>
>> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this
>> situation.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> ___
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Tape a piece of 60 grit sandpaper to the mast.  Rub a piece of teak,
Starboard, UHMW or whatever up and down until it conforms to the mast.  2-3
beer job.  Builds biceps.  Better to hoist more beers.

Dennis C.

On Feb 9, 2018 5:20 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Ok Guys,
>
> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
> end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
> pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
> end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
> curved leading edge of the mast.
>
> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Ok Guys,

I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast
while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard
end of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm
pretty much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard
end of the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the
curved leading edge of the mast.

I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.


Thanks,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List whisker pole rebuild

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Tom,

 

I replaced the control line on my whisker pole 4 years ago though the end
fittings on my whisker pole were attached with SS bolts tapped into the AL
end fittings vs. rivets.  Once the "larger" end fitting was off I was able
to pull the sections apart sufficiently to just reach the dead end of the
line inside the tube.  Could pull some slack in the line through the pad eye
riveted inside the tube to untie the knot, attach a messenger line and pull
the old line out.  Running the new line with the messenger took a little
jiggling back and forth to get it to seat properly in the sheave at the end
of the stinger rod.  Then just put an overhand knot [aka a half hitch] as a
stopper knot and reassembled.  

 

Getting the SS bolts loose from the AL end fittings almost took longer than
replacing the control line.  

 

Good luck,

Brian

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Buscaglia via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia <t...@sv-alera.com>
Subject: Stus-List whisker pole rebuild

 

I finally got around to using the whisker pole on Alera last summer and
loved it.  That and the preventer fashioned from the block set from an old
boom vang on our C 35 Mk1 made for some very sweet and comfortable
downwind sailing, including some wing and wing with much less stress than
balancing all that cloth from the helm.

The Forespar whisker pole does not look like it was used much.  But it could
use to have the control lines inside and out replaced.  A nice simple winter
project...well maybe.  I have an idea of what I'm getting into courtesy of a
few sailor's blog posts linked below.  

Here are the blog links.

http://justalittlefurther.com/the-blue-view/the-blue-view-rigging-for-downwi
nd-sailing/ 

http://theretirementproject.blogspot.com/2016/10/rebuilding-forespar-whisker
-pole.html 

So, I thought I would check in with the brain trust here before I start
drilling out rivets.

Tom B



Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com <http://www.sv-alera.com/> 


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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I finally got around to using the whisker pole on Alera last summer 
and loved it.  That and the preventer fashioned from the block set 
from an old boom vang on our C 35 Mk1 made for some very sweet and 
comfortable downwind sailing, including some wing and wing with much 
less stress than balancing all that cloth from the helm.


The Forespar whisker pole does not look like it was used much.  But 
it could use to have the control lines inside and out replaced.  A 
nice simple winter project...well maybe.  I have an idea of what I'm 
getting into courtesy of a few sailor's blog posts linked below.


Here are the blog links.

http://justalittlefurther.com/the-blue-view/the-blue-view-rigging-for-downwind-sailing/

http://theretirementproject.blogspot.com/2016/10/rebuilding-forespar-whisker-pole.html

So, I thought I would check in with the brain trust here before I 
start drilling out rivets.


Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Stus-List Whisker pole

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

In PHRF Long Island Sound, the whisker pole length is limited to your LP 
dimension (clew to luff), not sure how other areas address pole length.  
If you sail non-spinnaker and use your spinnaker pole with the jib, you 
can actually get a credit depending on the size of the jib.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 8/8/2016 12:22 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote:
For us, Whisker poles are not treated the same as the spinnaker pole 
which is true for many other regions. Again, no mention of it in the 
phrf docs and everybody's using whisker poles that are long enough to 
be effective.


Truth is: A spin pole's length is woefully inadequate as a whisker 
pole (I have tried it), especially with a 150 % or above genoa. Sorry 
you guys can't use a "real" whisker pole with enough length to fully 
deploy a 150, you're missin' out.



-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



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JF - check your PHRF certificate.  It specifies your spinnaker pole 
length.  A whisker pole is in fact treated the same as a spinnaker 
pole and unless your Sis state differently cannot exceed spin pole 
length without penalty.  If a pole longer than that declared is used 
or one that is unmeasurable (boat hook not attached) then you have 
violated your PHRF declaration and are subject to protest and DSQ


Mike
Halifax



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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

Main advantage IMHO is weight. I don't remember the difference between carbon 
and aluminum for the same pole but it is substantial.
This makes it easier to use, extend, handle plus it probably will not kill you 
if it falls on your head when the topping lift is mishandled by your crew. 
Since it is so light, it is also easy to put below out of the sun and hang from 
the overhead hand rails.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb

Sent from my iPad

> On May 19, 2016, at 10:51 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The carbon is twice the price and would need protection from UV.  It better 
> be one hell of an improvement.
> 
> Josh
> 
> On May 19, 2016 3:48 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> Josh,
> 
> I have an old line-control whisker pole on the Enterprise, which lives on the 
> deck. When we’ve raced with it, it took a couple of guys on the foredeck to 
> set up and some coordination with the jib trimmer to get the end close to the 
> clew of the sail while extending. I suppose a mast-mount option would make it 
> easier (having one end fixed) but it will still be a lot of weight to work 
> with when setting. If you have the funds (and we all know you do), go with 
> the carbon version, as someone suggested. 
> 
> I don’t think I’ve ever tried to use the pole when cruising (usually all my 
> destinations are directly upwind when cruising - a Murphy’s Law thing). 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
 
 
> On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
> I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my 
> C 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I 
> would be poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  
> Does anyone have any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S /V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The carbon is twice the price and would need protection from UV.  It better
be one hell of an improvement.

Josh
On May 19, 2016 3:48 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Josh,

I have an old line-control whisker pole on the Enterprise, which lives on
the deck. When we’ve raced with it, it took a couple of guys on the
foredeck to set up and some coordination with the jib trimmer to get the
end close to the clew of the sail while extending. I suppose a mast-mount
option would make it easier (having one end fixed) but it will still be a
lot of weight to work with when setting. If you have the funds (and we all
know you do), go with the carbon version, as someone suggested.

I don’t think I’ve ever tried to use the pole when cruising (usually all my
destinations are directly upwind when cruising - a Murphy’s Law thing).


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











>
> On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C
> 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be
> poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does
> anyone have any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S /V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
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>
>
>

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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

+1 on the Forespar control Line whisker pole. The telescopic feature is 
great to accommodate dip pole gybes and facilitate the general handling. 
We use it all the time, my 105 lbs / 15 year old son is a master at it.. 
We've had it out in 15-19 knot winds, my son has very little trouble 
handling it even in those conditions as long as I'm smooth at the helm / 
act quickly with the sheets. 

We don't use a lift and only use a guy to keep it from lifting if the 
winds are above 12 knots or so 

Ours is smaller than what you would use but it's still big and heavy yet 
once you know how to handle it, it's pretty easy to handle.. 

Here are a few tricks: 

Install a mounting ring on lifeline stanchion to secure the fore end  / 
attach the aft end to the mast car prior to leaving (See pictures on 
Flickr). This way you never have to lift more than half the weight.. 
That's how we avoid a lift and the complexities thereof

To make it easier to extend.. Once it's made, run pretty much dead 
downwind / let the sheet loose to where the pole is near the forestay then 
extend. At that point there's hardly any compression on it, making it 
pretty easy. 

To gybe: Rotate the boat slowly, as it gets DDD collapse the pole, dip it 
down past the forestay, quickly extend it while it's near the forestay on 
the other side, secure control line, crank the sheet. With a little 
practice it's really not that hard. 

We don't normally furl but it's a great "Bail-out" option. When ever 
there's trouble: Loosen sheets (Not too much to avoid the pole striking 
the forestay), collapse the pole, and furl. 

In a pinch if you can furl the genoa a bit you can let the pole go near 
the forestay and use it on a reach like a symmetric spin. It's not ideal 
but if you only need to be on a reach for a short period it keeps things 
simple 

We stow it on deck using a Forespar stanchion mount for the aft end / a 
ring on the other. I considered the mast mount but decided against it 
because of cost / complexity / windage / center of gravity and using the 
techniques mentioned above, you only need to support half the weight 
anyway.  Check out my flickr to see my mounts :  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/with/21980567419/



Good Luck with it.

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
lake Lanier, GA



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To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2016 12:40 pm
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole?



I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C 
37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be 
poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does 
anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks,
Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Josh,

I have an old line-control whisker pole on the Enterprise, which lives on the 
deck. When we’ve raced with it, it took a couple of guys on the foredeck to set 
up and some coordination with the jib trimmer to get the end close to the clew 
of the sail while extending. I suppose a mast-mount option would make it easier 
(having one end fixed) but it will still be a lot of weight to work with when 
setting. If you have the funds (and we all know you do), go with the carbon 
version, as someone suggested. 

I don’t think I’ve ever tried to use the pole when cruising (usually all my 
destinations are directly upwind when cruising - a Murphy’s Law thing). 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











>> 
>> 
>> On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>>> I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C 
>>> 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be 
>>> poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does 
>>> anyone have any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S /V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Josh,

Yes, mine is a Forespar line control 12-22.  I use just a topping lift, 
what I find happening is that any load on the sheet and the upward load 
of the topping lift causes the pole to flex. I think the joint at the 
middle, just a plastic ring at the end of the non-moving tube, gets a 
little bound up and it takes a lot force on the extension line to get it 
fully out.  I have tried furling, or sometimes going dead downwind with 
the sail collapsed.  If the pole is fully extended first, and you pull 
on the sheet to unfurl the sail, the pole will swing back until it hits 
the lowers, so someone has to push if forward to get the pole end up to 
the sail.  None of this is really a problem, just things to do when you 
set or gybe the pole.


Neil


On 5/19/2016 3:00 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


As for the asym, yes, same as the 145%.  The asym dies as it gets 
hidden by the mainsail so poling out can help. Forespar sells one 
called the tri-reacher.  I was considering it but you have to pre-set 
the pole length instead of being able to set the length on the fly 
with a control line.


Neil,

Is yours a line control model by forespar?  What makes it hard to 
extend?   The YouTube video by Forespar shows extending the pole while 
the sail is still furled.   They even state that jibes are best when 
you furl the headsail, unclip the outboard end, dip the pole, reclip, 
and finally unfurl on your new tack.


Do you have topping lift and down haul?  What about fore and aft guy 
lines?  Any problems or complications?  I initially imagined a system 
where I could simply set the pole height at the mast, clip on the 
working sheet of an unfurled headsail and then extended the pole with 
the control line. Most, if not all, of this could be accomplished at 
the mast.  I can see how a topping lift would be helpful since during 
the jibes nothing else is available to support the sail.  I can also 
see how a topping lift would help keep a full shape instead of 
weighing down the clew.


Thanks,
Josh

On May 19, 2016 1:09 PM, "Neil Gallagher via CnC-List" 
> wrote:


I got one for my 35-1 with a 145%, and am really happy with it. 
Best thing for cruising, especially light air (ie, Long Island

Sound), not to mention an essential item for non-spinnaker
racing.  I didn't go for the mast-mount, and it  can be a bear to
get the pole set.  Once you've clipped in the outboard end it
takes a strong person at the mast to extend, plus good
coordination with the sheets. If you don't mind the windage I
think the mast mount would be great for cruising.

Not sure about the asym, would you use it to windward as with the
genoa, or to leeward?

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24)
for my C 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option
as well.  I would be poling out a 145% furling headsail and an
asymmetric spinnaker.  Does anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks,

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

As for the asym, yes, same as the 145%.  The asym dies as it gets hidden by
the mainsail so poling out can help.  Forespar sells one called the
tri-reacher.  I was considering it but you have to pre-set the pole length
instead of being able to set the length on the fly with a control line.

Neil,

Is yours a line control model by forespar?  What makes it hard to extend?
The YouTube video by Forespar shows extending the pole while the sail is
still furled.   They even state that jibes are best when you furl the
headsail, unclip the outboard end, dip the pole, reclip, and finally unfurl
on your new tack.

Do you have topping lift and down haul?  What about fore and aft guy
lines?  Any problems or complications?  I initially imagined a system where
I could simply set the pole height at the mast, clip on the working sheet
of an unfurled headsail and then extended the pole with the control line.
Most, if not all, of this could be accomplished at the mast.  I can see how
a topping lift would be helpful since during the jibes nothing else is
available to support the sail.  I can also see how a topping lift would
help keep a full shape instead of weighing down the clew.

Thanks,
Josh
On May 19, 2016 1:09 PM, "Neil Gallagher via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I got one for my 35-1 with a 145%, and am really happy with it.  Best
> thing for cruising, especially light air (ie, Long Island Sound), not to
> mention an essential item for non-spinnaker racing.  I didn't go for the
> mast-mount, and it  can be a bear to get the pole set.  Once you've clipped
> in the outboard end it takes a strong person at the mast to extend, plus
> good coordination with the sheets. If you don't mind the windage I think
> the mast mount would be great for cruising.
>
> Not sure about the asym, would you use it to windward as with the genoa,
> or to leeward?
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
> On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C
> 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be
> poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does
> anyone have any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S /V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I have a similar pole from Forte, not Forespar, with line control. I chose it 
instead of Forespar (many years ago) because it cost less (but still at least a 
boat buck, the surface was not as slippery (you can see/feel the carbon fibers) 
and they made one of the tubes for it match the same diameter as an aluminum 
pole of the same length. (One of the tubes was a stock tube but the other was 
custom made.) Plus, I thought the way they 'wound the carbon fiber on a very 
fancy 'mandrell' (picture in their literature) would make the pole pretty 
strong.

Forespar might do the same thing but either they would not make a custom tume 
for me or the cost was too much--don't remember which. In any event, the pole 
is still going strong. I do keep it below, however, out of the NC sun.

The line control works fine also, as long as there is NO pressure on it. If 
there is, forgetaboutit!

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb
 
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Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole?



I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C 37+. 
 I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be poling 
out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does anyone have any 
thoughts?
Thanks,
Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Josh,

I have the carbon fiber Forespar line control whisker pole for my C 39TM.
We had it overbuilt by Forespar so that we can use it a spinnaker pole for
the asymmetrical spinnakers as well as the symmetrical spinnakers. The
thing works perfectly, but is heavy as heck and you must keep it covered or
the UV we eat it alive. However, it is great piece of equipment to have on
board and if built properly can be a useful sailing tool

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY
C 39TM - US12788
Savannah, GA

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> I’d suggest waiting till you can get the carbon spinnaker pole.  It will
> make all the difference in how often you use it.  It will take the
> compression load to crank the Asym around to allow you to sail deeper, and
> maybe line up better with the waves, a good offshore trick.  Any two-part
> adjustable pole will be heavy and much harder to manage.  A good rigger can
> help with the track cars and clamp to keep the rattling and banging to a
> min.
>
> 2 cents, Lee
>
>
>
> On May 19, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I got one for my 35-1 with a 145%, and am really happy with it.  Best
> thing for cruising, especially light air (ie, Long Island Sound), not to
> mention an essential item for non-spinnaker racing.  I didn't go for the
> mast-mount, and it  can be a bear to get the pole set.  Once you've clipped
> in the outboard end it takes a strong person at the mast to extend, plus
> good coordination with the sheets. If you don't mind the windage I think
> the mast mount would be great for cruising.
>
> Not sure about the asym, would you use it to windward as with the genoa,
> or to leeward?
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
> On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C
> 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be
> poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does
> anyone have any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S /V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The pole is essential for running wing and wing if there's any kind of
chop. I wouldn't be without one during a cruise.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I got one for my 35-1 with a 145%, and am really happy with it.  Best
> thing for cruising, especially light air (ie, Long Island Sound), not to
> mention an essential item for non-spinnaker racing.  I didn't go for the
> mast-mount, and it  can be a bear to get the pole set.  Once you've clipped
> in the outboard end it takes a strong person at the mast to extend, plus
> good coordination with the sheets. If you don't mind the windage I think
> the mast mount would be great for cruising.
>
> Not sure about the asym, would you use it to windward as with the genoa,
> or to leeward?
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
> On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C
> 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be
> poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does
> anyone have any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S /V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi Josh,

I’d suggest waiting till you can get the carbon spinnaker pole.  It will make 
all the difference in how often you use it.  It will take the compression load 
to crank the Asym around to allow you to sail deeper, and maybe line up better 
with the waves, a good offshore trick.  Any two-part adjustable pole will be 
heavy and much harder to manage.  A good rigger can help with the track cars 
and clamp to keep the rattling and banging to a min. 

2 cents, Lee 
  


On May 19, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> I got one for my 35-1 with a 145%, and am really happy with it.  Best thing 
> for cruising, especially light air (ie, Long Island Sound), not to mention an 
> essential item for non-spinnaker racing.  I didn't go for the mast-mount, and 
> it  can be a bear to get the pole set.  Once you've clipped in the outboard 
> end it takes a strong person at the mast to extend, plus good coordination 
> with the sheets. If you don't mind the windage I think the mast mount would 
> be great for cruising.
> 
> Not sure about the asym, would you use it to windward as with the genoa, or 
> to leeward?
> 
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
> 
> 
> On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>> I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C 
>> 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be 
>> poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does anyone 
>> have any thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S /V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

I got one for my 35-1 with a 145%, and am really happy with it. Best 
thing for cruising, especially light air (ie, Long Island Sound), not to 
mention an essential item for non-spinnaker racing. I didn't go for the 
mast-mount, and it  can be a bear to get the pole set.  Once you've 
clipped in the outboard end it takes a strong person at the mast to 
extend, plus good coordination with the sheets. If you don't mind the 
windage I think the mast mount would be great for cruising.


Not sure about the asym, would you use it to windward as with the genoa, 
or to leeward?


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my 
C 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I 
would be poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric 
spinnaker.  Does anyone have any thoughts?


Thanks,

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



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Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my C
37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I would be
poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Does
anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks,

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I too was looking at Andy's setup.  I don't already have a proper toping
lift but a spinnaker halyard made to the jaw seems like it would work.  How
you attach it depends on your pole's end fitting.  If no attachment fitting
exists then a lashing of dynema might work well to create a semi-perminent
eye.  You want to avoid using the jaw so that you can still trip the
sheet.  Make the halyard and fore-guy first, set the pole hieght.  Then use
the jaw to make the sheet.  Then make the mast.

Josh
On May 28, 2015 10:01 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 Hi Andy- I see that you are using a topping lift, and that would solve the
 problem. So far, I have not used one.   I am guessing that you need to
 either attach to the clew, or use a topping lift and attach to the sheet?
 Topping lift means one more thing to mess with when setting up the pole.  I
 have not tried attaching the topping lift and haven’t even looked at how
 that would be done with the Forespar whisker pole.  I will play with that
 this weekend.  Dave


 On May 28, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Here's how I do it even for just a coastal sail:
 http://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine

 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:42 PM, jtsails via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

   David,
 I would simply run the sheet through the pole end, the angle should keep
 the pole pushed against the clew. Another option would be to tie the sheet
 to the clew with a bowline and hook the pole into the eye of the bowline.
 James
 “Delaney”
 CC 38 mk2
 Oriental, nc

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16 AM
 *To:* CnC CnC discussion list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

 Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!).  One thing I
 have found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space
 to attach the pole end to the clew ring.  I am thinking of adding a small
 loop of lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about
 it catching on things.  Any suggestions?  Thanks- Dave


 On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

   Very clever Francois.  I'm copying the 34/36 group.

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 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM
 *Subject: *Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts

 Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new
 whisker pole, you can check them out on Flickr here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/

 The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions.


 Regards,

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Andy- I see that you are using a topping lift, and that would solve the 
problem. So far, I have not used one.   I am guessing that you need to either 
attach to the clew, or use a topping lift and attach to the sheet?  Topping 
lift means one more thing to mess with when setting up the pole.  I have not 
tried attaching the topping lift and haven’t even looked at how that would be 
done with the Forespar whisker pole.  I will play with that this weekend.  Dave
 
 On May 28, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Here's how I do it even for just a coastal sail:
 http://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole 
 http://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole
 
 Andy
 CC 40 
 Peregrine
 
 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:42 PM, jtsails via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 David,
 I would simply run the sheet through the pole end, the angle should keep the 
 pole pushed against the clew. Another option would be to tie the sheet to the 
 clew with a bowline and hook the pole into the eye of the bowline.
 James
 “Delaney”
 CC 38 mk2
 Oriental, nc
  
 From: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16 AM
 To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com
 Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa
  
 Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!).  One thing I 
 have found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space 
 to attach the pole end to the clew ring.  I am thinking of adding a small 
 loop of lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about 
 it catching on things.  Any suggestions?  Thanks- Dave
  
 On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
  
 Very clever Francois.  I'm copying the 34/36 group.
  
 From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com 
 mailto:jfriv...@us.ibm.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM
 Subject: Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts
  
 Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new 
 whisker pole, you can check them out on Flickr here:  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/ 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/
  
 The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions. 
  
 
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 Lake Lanier, GA
  
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

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I don’t ever lift the pole either.  It is attached “permanently” to the ring on 
the spinnaker pole track on the front of the mast and sits vertically on the 
mast when not in use.  When I deploy, I just lift the bottom end out of the 
mast base, attach to the guy/ring,  lower the track, then extend the pole.  
That part works great.  But it has seemed to me that the sheet end dips low if 
I hook to the sheet rather than the ring.  The sail supports it high when 
clipped to the ring.  Maybe I did not let it come to equilibrium, but it would 
seem that in light winds, you would still get pole dipping when clipped to the 
sheet.
As to genoa sheet attachment, I tried bowlines and soft shackles, but changed 
to spliced loops in the clew end with the sheet looping through the end to make 
a minimal, smooth attachment of sheet to clew.  Anything else I have tried has 
more of a tendency to hang up on the baby stay or shrouds during tacks. Sailing 
short handed, I try to minimize that problem.  Dave

 On May 27, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 I think it is better that the pole never clip into the clew ring of the sail. 
  It should capture the active sheet only.  Some skippers tie their bowlines 
 bigger and clip into that, but I converted to using a soft shackle through 
 the genoa clew that captures the luggage tag ends of the sheets, so not much 
 loop to clip into.  I clip onto the sheet itself, and use the pole lift to 
 take the weight of the pole off the sail.  Works well.  I keep the jaws up, 
 so releasing allows the sail to fly up and out of the jaws.
 
 Francois developed a smart method that he described previously that allows 
 him to set the thing without ever lifting the whole weight of the pole.  
 Maybe he'll respond?
 
 Chuck
 
 From: David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 Cc: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16:46 AM
 Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa
 
 Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!).  One thing I 
 have found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space 
 to attach the pole end to the clew ring.  I am thinking of adding a small 
 loop of lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about 
 it catching on things.  Any suggestions?  Thanks- Dave
 
 On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Very clever Francois.  I'm copying the 34/36 group.
 
 From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM
 Subject: Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts
 
 Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new whisker 
 pole, you can check them out on Flickr here:  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/ 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/
 
 The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions. 
 
 
 Regards, 
 
 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, GA
 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

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Here's how I do it even for just a coastal sail:
http://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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   David,
 I would simply run the sheet through the pole end, the angle should keep
 the pole pushed against the clew. Another option would be to tie the sheet
 to the clew with a bowline and hook the pole into the eye of the bowline.
 James
 “Delaney”
 CC 38 mk2
 Oriental, nc

  *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16 AM
 *To:* CnC CnC discussion list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

 Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!).  One thing I
 have found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space
 to attach the pole end to the clew ring.  I am thinking of adding a small
 loop of lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about
 it catching on things.  Any suggestions?  Thanks- Dave


 On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

   Very clever Francois.  I'm copying the 34/36 group.

 --
 *From: *Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc: *Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM
 *Subject: *Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts

 Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new
 whisker pole, you can check them out on Flickr here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/

 The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions.


 Regards,

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

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Using the topping lift makes the pole much easier to handle; it's like
having another set of hands. The topping lift makes the whole process much
easier from start to finish. I'm not sure it's clear in the article, but
the pole is attached to the sheet.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:01 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Hi Andy- I see that you are using a topping lift, and that would solve the
 problem. So far, I have not used one.   I am guessing that you need to
 either attach to the clew, or use a topping lift and attach to the sheet?
 Topping lift means one more thing to mess with when setting up the pole.  I
 have not tried attaching the topping lift and haven’t even looked at how
 that would be done with the Forespar whisker pole.  I will play with that
 this weekend.  Dave


 On May 28, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Here's how I do it even for just a coastal sail:
 http://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine

 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:42 PM, jtsails via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

   David,
 I would simply run the sheet through the pole end, the angle should keep
 the pole pushed against the clew. Another option would be to tie the sheet
 to the clew with a bowline and hook the pole into the eye of the bowline.
 James
 “Delaney”
 CC 38 mk2
 Oriental, nc

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16 AM
 *To:* CnC CnC discussion list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

 Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!).  One thing I
 have found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space
 to attach the pole end to the clew ring.  I am thinking of adding a small
 loop of lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about
 it catching on things.  Any suggestions?  Thanks- Dave


 On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

   Very clever Francois.  I'm copying the 34/36 group.

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 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc: *Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM
 *Subject: *Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts

 Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new
 whisker pole, you can check them out on Flickr here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/

 The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions.


 Regards,

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, GA

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Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi guys, 

Sorry for the belated reply, we were out racin' last nite (Regular Wed 
nite stuff)   Super light winds again. Came in 1st in class on the water, 
will be 2nd on phrf my PB on the less than 5 knots winds. 

Anyhow, at my rigger's recommendation we use a small loop at the clew.  We 
tried attaching to the sheet itself but didn't care for the sliding around 
of the pole when the sheet got looser. 

As for the handling, it's simple.  As most you saw on the prior post my 
pole is deck mounted. The procedure for launch is simple:  If the pole is 
stowed: 1) Move the fore side to the pulpit mounted U-Bolt / move the aft 
side to the mast car.  To set: 1) Furl the genoa 2)  move the fore side of 
the pole from the pulpit mount to the loop on the clew 3) Pull the 
windward sheet / release the furling line. 

The fact that the pole is always mounted at one end insures that you 
always carry half (or less) of the weight. In bumpy water / heavier winds 
I use my 2:1 foreguy line to keep things in check. 

The furling / un-furling seems like it would slow you down put it doesn't. 
It takes a few seconds either way and guarantees a flawless / drama free 
deployment every time no matter how hard it's blowing.  Here's Forespar / 
John Kretschmer's video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGwNsS27R14

Best Regards, 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+
Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA

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Stus-List Whisker pole topping lift

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

We tried using the topping lift and found it was un-necessary using the 
aforementioned technique and it was just one more line to get tangled-up ( 
It did :-) ) . 

Also, we make sure that the cleat on the pole is pointing down / jaws 
pointing up.  This way it's easier to release the clew end / the sheets 
don't get hung-up in the cleat when tacking while the pole is mounted on 
the mast. 

Regards, 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

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David,
I would simply run the sheet through the pole end, the angle should keep the 
pole pushed against the clew. Another option would be to tie the sheet to the 
clew with a bowline and hook the pole into the eye of the bowline.
James
“Delaney”
CC 38 mk2
Oriental, nc

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!).  One thing I have 
found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space to 
attach the pole end to the clew ring.  I am thinking of adding a small loop of 
lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about it catching 
on things.  Any suggestions?  Thanks- Dave 

  On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:

  Very clever Francois.  I'm copying the 34/36 group.



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  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM
  Subject: Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts


  Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new whisker 
pole, you can check them out on Flickr here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/


  The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions. 



  Regards, 


  -Francois Rivard
  1990 34+ Take Five
  Lake Lanier, GA


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

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I think it is better that the pole never clip into the clew ring of the sail. 
It should capture the active sheet only. Some skippers tie their bowlines 
bigger and clip into that, but I converted to using a soft shackle through the 
genoa clew that captures the luggage tag ends of the sheets, so not much loop 
to clip into. I clip onto the sheet itself, and use the pole lift to take the 
weight of the pole off the sail. Works well. I keep the jaws up, so releasing 
allows the sail to fly up and out of the jaws. 

Francois developed a smart method that he described previously that allows him 
to set the thing without ever lifting the whole weight of the pole. Maybe he'll 
respond? 

Chuck 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16:46 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa 

Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!). One thing I have 
found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space to 
attach the pole end to the clew ring. I am thinking of adding a small loop of 
lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about it catching 
on things. Any suggestions? Thanks- Dave 




On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List  cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
wrote: 

Very clever Francois. I'm copying the 34/36 group. 

- Original Message -

From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List  cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts 

Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new whisker 
pole, you can check them out on Flickr here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/ 

The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions. 


Regards, 

-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ Take Five 
Lake Lanier, GA 

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Stus-List Whisker pole mount

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Jean Rivard, would you please send me a picture of both of your pole mounts? 
Thanks

Barbara H. Fellers
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Stus-List Whisker pole mount

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Hi Barbara, 

We'll do.  I'm running a Wednesday nite race tomorrow evening.  I'll take 
some pictures when I get to the boat. 

Best regards, 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA


Jean Rivard, would you please send me a picture of both of your pole 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

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If DDW is 180 then by extending the pole and moving the clew forward while 
keeping the leach tight, depending on wind strength, I can sometimes get to 150 
apparent.  160 is achievable on my boat in almost any wind strength. 

Cheers

david
Wanderer CC 32






From: Ronald B. Frerker 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 12:34 PM
To: D.J. Platt ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole


Sorry, not quite understanding.
By fairly deep angles downwind do you mean more dead downwind or do you mean 
reaching up and getting away from DDW?
Ron
Wild Cheri
CC 30-1
STL






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With a slightly longer pole and a means of keeping some tension on the jib 
leach you can reach at fairly deep angles downwind with a pole.  It is 
sometimes the fastest option in lighter air.  Won a 12 miler doing just that 
last year.

Cheers

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From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
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To: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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With chutes the general rule is to reach up in the lighter winds and sail more 
DDW in the stronger winds.
It would seem that would also work for JAM racing.







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Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

 Thanks to all you guys for pole the wisdom ,

 Through local connections I was able to get the Forespar 12-22 # 402200
 pole for just over a couple hundred bucks more than the Selden so I went
 for the Forespar..

 Main reasons were:

 - At a max of 22 feet it's almost perfectly 150% of my J  (Legal here) .
 So, according to the nice reference Eric provided (Thanks man)  I can wing
 and wing on a 90 degreee reach which I have not seen done in my races  ( I
 did not know you could do that either) and I need that much length to do
 that. That should give me some extra speed edge until the other guys
 figure out what I'm doing.

 - Being longer I don't need to extend it to max lengh (If not reaching)
 which means the pole is stronger because of more tube overlap at the
 joint, thus I can safely use it in stronger winds (Plus the tubes are
 larger than the Selden) .  (And it's also the pole specified by Forespar
 for my boat)

 - Line control allows infinite adjustments on the length and those
 adjustments can safely be done at the mast instead of hanging out near the
 rail.  Just the potential for added safety alone is enough to justify the
 extra dough in my book.


 Thanks

 Regards,

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, Georgia



Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:05:09 -0400
From: Eric Baumes eric.bau...@gmail.com
To: D.J. Platt w7...@yahoo.ca, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole
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This was my bible when I raced Jib and Main.

http://www.capecoralsailingclub.org/wing-it.pdf. Check your local PHRF
rules for use of whisker pole, e.g. in my area it is not illegal to fly on
same side as main.

Note the advice on reaching with a whisker pole. In light air you will
still need to sail higher and with the right length pole you can wing it to
90 degrees. If you sail courses with reaches this is a killer.

I had the Forespar 12-22 for my Catalina 30 no complaints but expensive. It
was a bit oversized for the boat but I never regretted it.

I now have a selden bowsprit and it has been good to me.

Eric
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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

This was my bible when I raced Jib and Main.

http://www.capecoralsailingclub.org/wing-it.pdf. Check your local PHRF
rules for use of whisker pole, e.g. in my area it is not illegal to fly on
same side as main.

Note the advice on reaching with a whisker pole. In light air you will
still need to sail higher and with the right length pole you can wing it to
90 degrees. If you sail courses with reaches this is a killer.

I had the Forespar 12-22 for my Catalina 30 no complaints but expensive. It
was a bit oversized for the boat but I never regretted it.

I now have a selden bowsprit and it has been good to me.

Eric
34/36

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:45 PM, D.J. Platt via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  With a slightly longer pole and a means of keeping some tension on the
 jib leach you can reach at fairly deep angles downwind with a pole.  It is
 sometimes the fastest option in lighter air.  Won a 12 miler doing just
 that last year.

 Cheers

 david
 Wanderer CC 32

  *From:* Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 12:46 PM
 *To:* Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

  With chutes the general rule is to reach up in the lighter winds and
 sail more DDW in the stronger winds.
 It would seem that would also work for JAM racing.
 Does anyone have a polar diagram for their boat to compare boat speed in
 the 5-7 range to see the speed difference between DDW and reaching with
 apparent wind at the beam?  From the angle and boat speed for both
 positions, we could calculate how much extra distance sailed vs speed.
 Ron
 Wild Cheri
 CC 30-1
 STL


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I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs
the whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true)
I could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent
jibes could have made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from
a VMG standpoint..


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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

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The advantage of running wing on wing is to get the maximum sail area in
clean air. With a genoa of 155% or larger it will sit partially behind the main
downwind  when broad reaching. Not as much with a 135% and smaller.
Running dead down wind in light air wing on wing works great on a 170%
genoa, OK on a 155%, and not great on a 110%. Your 135% is in the grey area.
Also, on the larger jibs you really need a whisker pole to get the best shape
out of it. Helps on the 155%, not needed or the spin pole works fine on a 110%.

To me, somewhere around the 120% - 135% the jib has a PHRF rating problem.
It is not large enough to help out a lot downwind, yet is still large enough to
partially sit in the main's disturbed wind. Going to a 114.9% gives extra PHRF
adjustment and may work as well downwind on a broad reach.

 It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying off for me.

I can picture that. As you come up towards a beam reach the sails come in, keeps
the jib behind the main and you need a lot more speed to make VMG that you
are not going to get.

Here is something to try. On a light wind day run dead down wind
wing on wing and see what percentage of true wind speed you can get to.
It may be that with 2 - 5 kts true the best you can get to is 50%, ie 1 kt hull 
speed
in a 2 kt breeze, 2.5 kts in a 5 kt breeze. It may be linear only from 2 to 4 
kts.
You may need to borrow a whisker pole or larger spin pole for the test.

Configure some instrumentation to give you VMG ( maybe a handheld GPS )
and try some different angles on a broad reach. You may find 140 degrees
will be a bit faster. It may not be.

If the best hull speed you can get to is 40% or less of true wind going
wing on wing in light air and VMG is not faster on a broad reach you
may do best with a whisker pole. If you can get to 60% and a bit better
VMG on a broad reach then skip wing on wing and the whisker pole.

The reasoning is that by reaching you need to pick up extra speed, and
hopefully some better apparent wind, to make up for the extra distance.
If the sail plan is not producing enough power in light wind it is hard to
get the speed.

For cruising a 135% on a furler is a good choice. In PHRF, not so much.
Many clubs give a small credit for downsizing to a 135.1% - 145% jib,
maybe +4 NFS. If you are smaller than the 135% you may get +8.
It may be that downwind broad reaching on a 114.9% is not much
slower, but could give you a +18 adjustment.
 
If wing on wing is advantageous only up to 5 kts true, 3 kts apparent
then you likely do not need a hefty whisker pole. There is not that much
force on a 135% in 3 kts. If you find wing on wing produces the best VMG
up to 10 kts then you need something stronger.

I have the Forespar Line Control 12 - 22.  It is heavy, takes a while to set up.
The advantage of a heavier adjustable whisker pole is that you may use it
to set sail shape on a broad / beam  reach in heavier winds. I do not have a 
jib top
or sail cut for that. I can also run wing on wing up to 14 kts true. Likely
higher but at some point there is a risk of breaking something, rolling the
pole underwater, who knows what else.

The other thing you can try is flying the jib wing on wing. Works in light
air if your spreaders are in line and you can get the boom all the way out.
You will need someone to sit on the boom and control it for safety. What you
will do is cross over the lee so the wind is on the boom ( wrong ) side
but that might hold out the jib and fly it. If you change sheeting position
forward and from the rail you may get good sail shape.

If your course is set up with a windward mark and offset, and if you can
pick up speed while on the beam reach between them there are some tactics
to consider in the first few boat lengths after the rounding. You may find that
the extra boat speed is best used covering distance to the finish. Depends
on how well you coast. The only advantage to a heavy boat in a light
wind race. Carve by the offset, letting the jib and main out until almost
dead down wind. Then gybe the main and fly the jib.The thought is to be
gentle - don't use the rudder as a brake - and keep the sails filled.
After a few boat lengths you may want to change tactics. It is a bit
like when flying a spinnaker and you get pressure, the skipper heads down.

I guess this is one of the reasons we like the sport, infinite variables and 
solutions.

Michael Brown
Windburn
CC 30-1


Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 10:44:37 -0400 
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Whisker Pole 
Message-ID: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 
 
 
I'm looking for a used 12-22 ft (Absolute minimal length 18.9 FT) whisker 
pole. It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying off for 
me.. 
 
  I was a contender for any of the top 3 spots all the way to the weather 
 mark yesterday.. We had

Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[D.J. Platt via CnC-List]

With a slightly longer pole and a means of keeping some tension on the jib 
leach you can reach at fairly deep angles downwind with a pole.  It is 
sometimes the fastest option in lighter air.  Won a 12 miler doing just that 
last year.

Cheers

david
Wanderer CC 32


From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:46 PM
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole


With chutes the general rule is to reach up in the lighter winds and sail more 
DDW in the stronger winds.
It would seem that would also work for JAM racing.
Does anyone have a polar diagram for their boat to compare boat speed in the 
5-7 range to see the speed difference between DDW and reaching with apparent 
wind at the beam?  From the angle and boat speed for both positions, we could 
calculate how much extra distance sailed vs speed.
Ron
Wild Cheri
CC 30-1
STL








  I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs the 
whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true) I could 
not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent jibes could have 
made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from a VMG standpoint.. 







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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Francois,

 

The Selden poles are quite sturdy.  This one looks almost ideal for you.
Running deep with the pole may be fast in some conditions.  Usually, the
higher the wind speed, the deeper you can run.  In 20 kts of wind we just
point at the downwind mark.  In lighter air gybing downwind is usually
faster.  You maintain a higher boatspeed, but sail further.  In the end
sometimes is all works out the same though.

 

I like the pole.  The price is certainly right!

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

Midnight Mistress

CC 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:45 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker Pole

 

I'm looking for a used 12-22 ft (Absolute minimal length 18.9 FT) whisker
pole. It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying off for
me..

 I was a contender for any of the top 3 spots all the way to the weather
mark yesterday.. We had to settle for 4th behind 3 other guys running
whisker poles.  

I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs the
whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true) I
could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent jibes
could have made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from a VMG
standpoint.. 

I am curious to hear comments from racers on this. 


if I can't find a used one is there any reason not to buy this one:
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=SE
L08408460Store_Code=ussearch=Whisker+polesearchoffset=filter_cat=PowerS
earch_Begin_Only=sort=price.descrange_low=range_high=ProductsPerPage=20
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=SEL
08408460Store_Code=ussearch=Whisker+polesearchoffset=filter_cat=PowerSe
arch_Begin_Only=sort=price.descrange_low=range_high=ProductsPerPage=20 

It's pretty much the exact length I need for my 135 and seems  beefy enough
at 3.3 inch diameter?  Why would I pay 2X- 2.5 X  for the Forespar piece? 

Thanks in advance, 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, Georgi




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Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I'm looking for a used 12-22 ft (Absolute minimal length 18.9 FT) whisker
pole. It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying off for
me..

  I was a contender for any of the top 3 spots all the way to the weather
 mark yesterday.. We had to settle for 4th behind 3 other guys running
 whisker poles.

 I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs the
 whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true) I
 could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent jibes
 could have made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from a VMG
 standpoint..

 I am curious to hear comments from racers on this.


 if I can't find a used one is there any reason not to buy this one:
 
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=SEL08408460Store_Code=ussearch=Whisker
+polesearchoffset=filter_cat=PowerSearch_Begin_Only=sort=price.descrange_low=range_high=ProductsPerPage=20


 It's pretty much the exact length I need for my 135 and seems  beefy
 enough at 3.3 inch diameter?  Why would I pay 2X- 2.5 X  for the Forespar
 piece?

 Thanks in advance,

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, Georgi


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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I think your only option in light air is wing and wing.

Selden is a reputable brand and Mauri is a reputable dealer.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:


I'm looking for a used 12-22 ft (Absolute minimal length 18.9 FT)
whisker pole. It seems that in light winds jibing / reaching is not paying
off for me..

 I was a contender for any of the top 3 spots all the way to the
weather mark yesterday.. We had to settle for 4th behind 3 other guys
running whisker poles.

I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs
the whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots true)
I could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more frequent
jibes could have made a difference.. But that seems counter intuitive from
a VMG standpoint..

I am curious to hear comments from racers on this.


if I can't find a used one is there any reason not to buy this one:

 http://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=SEL08408460Store_Code=ussearch=Whisker+polesearchoffset=filter_cat=PowerSearch_Begin_Only=sort=price.descrange_low=range_high=ProductsPerPage=20


It's pretty much the exact length I need for my 135 and seems  beefy
enough at 3.3 inch diameter?  Why would I pay 2X- 2.5 X  for the Forespar
piece?

Thanks in advance,

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, Georgi





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Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I am currently running in the Cruiser non-spin  class so no chute for the
time being,  According to the polars, between 5 to 7 knots there's about an
8% up-tick in VMG to wind for 142 - 144 degrees broad reach and as you
mentioned it seems to even-out around 12 knots and favor running as you get
to higher winds speeds

However, we're strictly talking boat speed relative to wind.. I'm on a lake
where all this typically occurs on the length of the lake so wing on wing
you run straight back (lengthwise) to the finish line versus having to use
the fairly limited amount of  width jibing from shore to shore while
reaching .  Adding to the complexity of accounting for the time consuming
jibes and, especially in light air,  slow acceleration of the boat having
to rebuild both momentum and apparent wind.  You also have to deal with
shifting / potentially reduced winds as you approach the tree line on shore
as opposed to running straight down  the main channel in cleaner / less
shifty air..

Which bring me to the next point..  Assuming some wind / acceleration
capabilities except when competing Wednesday nite style short drag races
where you stay really close to the competition it's kind of a crap shoot
(At least for me) to determine how many jibes is too many vs what you gain
in boat speed by reaching higher..

The more I'm doing this the more I understand the wisdom in playing it safe
and just running wing and wing.

 -Francois Rivard

 -1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, Georgia



From:   Ronald B. Frerker rbfrer...@yahoo.com
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date:   03/16/2015 12:47 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Whisker Pole



With chutes the general rule is to reach up in the lighter winds and sail
more DDW in the stronger winds.
It would seem that would also work for JAM racing.
Does anyone have a polar diagram for their boat to compare boat speed in
the 5-7 range to see the speed difference between DDW and reaching with
apparent wind at the beam?  From the angle and boat speed for both
positions, we could calculate how much extra distance sailed vs speed.
Ron
Wild Cheri
CC 30-1
STL




  I stronger winds I've had some success jibing and broad reaching vs
  the whisker pole guys running straight down. But yesterday (3-7 knots
  true) I could not make it work.  I'm told a shallower reach  / more
  frequent jibes could have made a difference.. But that seems counter
  intuitive from a VMG standpoint..
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Stus-List whisker pole in Annapolis

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I purchased a used whisker pole from a guy in Annapolis area last week and we 
are discussing ways of getting it up here.  I thought I would post it here just 
in case.  If anyone is going through that area by car or boat and returning to 
the New England area in the next 4-5 months, and can transport the pole 
(10-17’), please let me know.  The seller will be in the area in June, but it 
would be nice to get it prior to that if possible.  Thanks- Dave

Aries
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New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List whisker pole in Annapolis

[Dan via CnC-List]

Dave,  

Might I borrow your CC graphic for my signature too?

Dan
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On Friday, December 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:

 I purchased a used whisker pole from a guy in Annapolis area last week and we 
 are discussing ways of getting it up here.  I thought I would post it here 
 just in case.  If anyone is going through that area by car or boat and 
 returning to the New England area in the next 4-5 months, and can transport 
 the pole (10-17’), please let me know.  The seller will be in the area in 
 June, but it would be nice to get it prior to that if possible.  Thanks- Dave
  
 Aries
 1990 CC 34+
 New London, CT
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Hoyt, Mike]

The farther out you can project the clew the better

 

Precisely why some areas impose limits of J.  In PHRFNS a whisker pole
and a spinnaker pole are the same.

 

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Baumes
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM
To: cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

Neil, 

 

In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker
regulations.

 

The regulation is 

1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without
penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum
permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a
competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6
credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J
length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the
declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole.

 

There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less
then LP.

 

As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat,
I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY
successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats
who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the
clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the
diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib.

 

Best,

 

Eric

34/36+





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tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough,
soft, tough, soft!

 

Russ Cargill

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net
wrote:

J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF
rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin
pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty.

 

In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing
practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your
largest genoa is a 155.

 

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:

Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of
your boat.  For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is
$399 + tax so this is a good price. 

 


http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHIS
KER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description

 

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Of Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have
one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right
size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a
whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a
forespar. Buy?!

 

Thanks,

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Hoyt, Mike]

have a crew controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds.

 

Also illegal in PHRFNS.  Although it is done regularly and no one seems
to care

 

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

Tim

 

If you used a 20 foot whisker pole to get your 155 clew further out to
leeward do the rules state that the inboard end of the pole must be
attached at the mast?  I have never found a beneficial (better speed)
use for a long whisker pole like that...and when I do see them used most
boats have a crew controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds.

 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Goodyear
Sent: April 4, 2014 6:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles
from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound
may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly
race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to
effectively pole out a 155%.  My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy
with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out.

 

Tim

Mojito

CC 35-3

Branford, CT

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
getting the
larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even
at 17' it
is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
racers from
nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
Tuesdays, FS
on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC
also starts
the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around
the
Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
PHRF-LO
certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 
From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 

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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun
races the 
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small
club is 
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races
this year. 

Steve 
Suhana, CC 32 
Toronto 


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Hoyt, Mike]

Russ

 

Someone hit and damaged my daughters car while it was parked.  They left
with no note and no contact information.  She was pissed because this
will have to be her own cost or at the very least her own insurance
claim.

 

When boating if some other boat hits me through a fault deemed theirs
and not mine I would far rather their premiums take the hit than mine
since it was their own issue or even negligence that caused the problem.
You are not supposed to drive if uninsured.  Yous should never be on a
boat without insurance either.

 

My 0.02

 

Mike

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ
 Melody
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 9:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

Hi John,

The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance to
protect themselves really confuses me. 

I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'm
covered. It doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. In
the case of an incident my policy will cover off my losses. If the
insurance company wants to recover then they go after the other guy, I
don't need nor am I entitled to.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote:



I certainly would not race against uninsured boats. 

John McLaughlin
CC29-2
Falcon


-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never
been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a valid
PHRF certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally have to
sign a liability waiver for some races.

I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing
coverage is adequate.

Dennis C.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca
wrote:

Dennis,

 

Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million
liability insurance.

My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on
file in the office to keep a boat here.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 CC 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Dennis C.

Sent: April-04-14 17:53

To: CnClist

Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

Mike,

$2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.

How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to
show in any race in my area.  

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
getting the

larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even
at 17' it

is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
racers from

nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
Tuesdays, FS

on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC
also starts

the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around
the

Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
PHRF-LO

certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 

From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 

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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races
the 

club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is 

dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.


Steve 

Suhana, CC 32 

Toronto 

 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[dwight]

Thanks Mike

 

I am aware of that but it may not be the same rule in all PHRF
jurisdictions.therefore I suggested to just get the proper spin pole(carbon
fiber if you can afford it but even aluminium on a 32 foot boat is not too
heavy to handle, attach at mast, use the pole uphaul to get the pole
parallel to water with white sail and trim with sheet.easy and that way with
the stronger pole you can pole the jib out to weather which I am willing to
bet is faster DDW on a mast head rig than poling the clew out several feel
beyond J on the leeward side. 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike
Sent: April 7, 2014 9:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

The farther out you can project the clew the better

 

Precisely why some areas impose limits of J.  In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a
spinnaker pole are the same.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Baumes
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM
To: cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

Neil, 

 

In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations.

 

The regulation is 

1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without
penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted
length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor
declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be
claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3
credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less
than 120% with a J length pole.

 

There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then
LP.

 

As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I
raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY
successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who
had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew
the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter
of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib.

 

Best,

 

Eric

34/36+





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guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough,
tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft,
tough, soft!

 

Russ Cargill

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote:

J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules.
In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a
whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty.

 

In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing
practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest
genoa is a 155.

 

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:

Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat.
For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so
this is a good price. 

 

http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles-
http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER
-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description
-Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/produc
t_info.html#description

 

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Plavsa
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!

 

Thanks,

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[dwight]

True and I totally agree with you Mike but I am still amazed that sail boat
insurance covers while racing.seems to me more collisions happen on the race
course between racing boats than what ever happen between cruisers.could be
it's only a matter of time before premiums for those who race their boats go
up

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike
Sent: April 7, 2014 9:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

Russ

 

Someone hit and damaged my daughters car while it was parked.  They left
with no note and no contact information.  She was pissed because this will
have to be her own cost or at the very least her own insurance claim.

 

When boating if some other boat hits me through a fault deemed theirs and
not mine I would far rather their premiums take the hit than mine since it
was their own issue or even negligence that caused the problem.  You are not
supposed to drive if uninsured.  Yous should never be on a boat without
insurance either.

 

My 0.02

 

Mike

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ 
Melody
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 9:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

Hi John,

The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance to protect
themselves really confuses me. 

I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'm covered.
It doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. In the case of an
incident my policy will cover off my losses. If the insurance company wants
to recover then they go after the other guy, I don't need nor am I entitled
to.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote:

I certainly would not race against uninsured boats. 

John McLaughlin
CC29-2
Falcon


-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never
been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a valid PHRF
certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally have to sign a
liability waiver for some races.

I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage is
adequate.

Dennis C.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Dennis,

 

Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability
insurance.

My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file
in the office to keep a boat here.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 CC 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.

Sent: April-04-14 17:53

To: CnClist

Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

Mike,

$2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.

How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to show
in any race in my area.  

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
getting the

larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
17' it

is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
racers from

nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
Tuesdays, FS

on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
starts

the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the

Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
PHRF-LO

certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 

From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 

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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the 

club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is 

dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. 

Steve 

Suhana, CC 32 

Toronto 

 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Gary Nylander]

Agree with Dwight. Different PHRF Regions have different rules for white 
sails/spinnakers/poles, etc.

The last I looked, PHRF of the Chesapeake had the same rules an NE - no whisker 
(or spinnaker) poles longer than J without penalty.

What I suggested earlier, for cruising (or racing if the rules permit), have 
the extra long whisker pole pushing the clew of the jib out to weather to allow 
you to go ddw - basically a big barn door with flat sails. Often faster than 
jibing downwind with your sails acting like sails (airflow).

In moderate air (non planing), we find it often hard to keep up with a big boat 
going straight to the mark (with a J-legal pole) while we are blasting back and 
forth in our J-80, looking good and jibing well, but taking a much longer 
course.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: dwight 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32


  Thanks Mike

   

  I am aware of that but it may not be the same rule in all PHRF 
jurisdictions.therefore I suggested to just get the proper spin pole(carbon 
fiber if you can afford it but even aluminium on a 32 foot boat is not too 
heavy to handle, attach at mast, use the pole uphaul to get the pole parallel 
to water with white sail and trim with sheet.easy and that way with the 
stronger pole you can pole the jib out to weather which I am willing to bet is 
faster DDW on a mast head rig than poling the clew out several feel beyond J on 
the leeward side. 

   


--

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
  Sent: April 7, 2014 9:40 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

   

  The farther out you can project the clew the better

   

  Precisely why some areas impose limits of J.  In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a 
spinnaker pole are the same.

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes
  Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM
  To: cnc-list
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

   

  Neil, 

   

  In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations.

   

  The regulation is 

  1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without 
penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted 
length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor 
declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be 
claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 
credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 
120% with a J length pole.

   

  There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then 
LP.

   

  As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I 
raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY 
successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had 
spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the 
better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the 
pole. More is better given the load on the jib.

   

  Best,

   

  Eric

  34/36+




  
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soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft!

   

  Russ Cargill

   

  On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote:

  J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In 
PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker 
pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty.

   

  In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing 
practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest 
genoa is a 155.

   

  Rick Brass

  Sent from my iPad


  On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:

Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. 
 For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this 
is a good price. 

 


http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but 
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 
32? How does a person

Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[dwight]

I always found it quite interesting that insured boats were covered by their
policies while racing.  From my experience racing seemed a higher risk
activity for collisions that at least might rate a higher premium for
special coverage for racing compared to the premiums for boats that did
not race, but I don't think that is the case yet. 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
johnr...@aol.com
Sent: April 4, 2014 11:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

I certainly would not race against uninsured boats. 

 

John McLaughlin

CC29-2

Falcon



-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never
been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a valid PHRF
certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally have to sign a
liability waiver for some races.

I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage is
adequate.

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Dennis,

 

Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability
insurance.

My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file
in the office to keep a boat here.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 CC 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: April-04-14 17:53
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

Mike,

$2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.

How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to show
in any race in my area.  

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
getting the
larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
17' it
is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
racers from
nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
Tuesdays, FS
on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
starts
the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
PHRF-LO
certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 
From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the 
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is 
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. 

Steve 
Suhana, CC 32 
Toronto 


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Jim Watts]

Our insurance covers us for regular racing with standard deductibles, but
has far higher deductibles for sail and rig damage in named races like
Southern Straits or Swiftsure.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
CC 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 5 April 2014 03:19, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote:

  I always found it quite interesting that insured boats were covered
 by their policies while racing.  From my experience racing seemed a
 higher risk activity for collisions that at least might rate a higher
 premium for special coverage for racing compared to the premiums for
 boats that did not race, but I don't think that is the case yet.


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 johnr...@aol.com
 *Sent:* April 4, 2014 11:40 PM
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 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?



 I certainly would not race against uninsured boats.



 John McLaughlin

 CC29-2

 Falcon

  -Original Message-
 From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
 To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never
 been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a valid PHRF
 certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally have to sign a
 liability waiver for some races.

 I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

 I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage
 is adequate.

 Dennis C.



 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca
 wrote:

 Dennis,



 Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million
 liability insurance.

 My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file
 in the office to keep a boat here.



 Rick Taillieu

 Nemesis

 '75 CC 25  #371

 Shearwater Yacht Club

 Halifax, NS.







 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
 C.
 *Sent:* April-04-14 17:53
 *To:* CnClist
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?



 Mike,

 $2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.

 How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to
 show in any race in my area.



 Dennis C.

 Touche' 35-1 #83

 Mandeville, LA



 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
 getting the
 larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
 17' it
 is small for a #1.

 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
 racers from
 nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
 Tuesdays, FS
 on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
 starts
 the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
 Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
 PHRF-LO
 certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

 Mike

  Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
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 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
 club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
 dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Michael Brown]

Mixed topics in this one ...

 National Yacht Club had a Hunter drop during lift out a few years back. The 
 bow was wounded badly. 
 
Rumor has it that the forward sling position was mark too far forward. At NYC 
it is the owner's responsibility
to place tape on the toe rail where the slings should go. The Hunter slid  off 
the forward sling and went down
a short distance nose first. The hole through the bow was reported to be caused 
not directly from the fall but
a loose spinnaker pole or boom inside the boat falling forward. Punctured a 
hole right through the fiberglass. 


 Michael if you ever need crew I'm available! Steve


Will do. We also run practices on the weekend and MOB drills.  Though with the 
water temps it
may not be the first week of May ;-) Might also do a practice run to DYC and 
back, maybe some night sailing.


  Don't know how your local racing is regulated, but a whisker pole more than 
  1.5 J is usually not allowed. 
 John McLaughlin  


From the current PHRF-LO handicapper's manual:

7.2. WHISKER POLE
Effective April 2009:
There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole lengths.
7.2.1. One whisker pole only shall be used.
7.2.2. Provisions of US Sailing rule 54, prohibiting sheeting of sails over or 
through
outriggers, are specifically voided for whisker poles used according to the
provisions of this paragraph.


The reference to US Sailing rule 54 is dated. 54 now states:

54 FORESTAYS AND HEADSAIL TACKS
Forestays and headsail tacks, except those of spinnaker staysails
when the boat is not close-hauled, shall be attached approximately on
a boat’s centreline.

Likely refers to this:

50.3 Use of Outriggers
(a) No sail shall be sheeted over or through an outrigger, except as
permitted in rule 50.3(b) or 50.3(c). An outrigger is any fitting
or other device so placed that it could exert outward pressure
on a sheet or sail at a point from which, with the boat upright, a
vertical line would fall outside the hull or deck. For the purpose
of this rule, bulwarks, rails and rubbing strakes are not part of
the hull or deck and the following are not outriggers: a
bowsprit used to secure the tack of a sail, a bumkin used to
sheet the boom of a sail, or a boom of a boomed headsail that
requires no adjustment when tacking.
(b) Any sail may be sheeted to or led above a boom that is
regularly used for a sail and is permanently attached to the
mast from which the head of the sail is set.
(c) A headsail may be sheeted or attached at its clew to a spinnaker
pole or whisker pole, provided that a spinnaker is not set.


Though common holding out a sail or sheet by hand, boat hook or
anything that is not attached to the mast / spinnaker ring may be against
rules. At NYC if people hold the #1 out a bit in light shifty winds to prevent
chaffing on the spreaders no one seems to worry.

I see differences club to club in the PHRF ratings, length of whisker poles
is one of the more common one.

Michael Brown
Windburn
CC 30-1



Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 17:46:18 -0700 (PDT) 
From: Don Harben sailadventu...@rogers.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 
Message-ID: 
     1396658778.47199.yahoomail...@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 
 
... National Yacht Club had a Hunter drop during lift out a few years back. The 
bow was wounded badly. 
 
The year after, a mast dropped with people and boats around. I was in the dry 
sail area watching the process with wide eyes. I did the stop and warning from 
a distance ... scary. 
? 
? Don 
 
PS I sailed at NYC in the old two story wood clubhouse that backed on the Ball 
Stadium. There is picture of the old clubhouse in one of the meeting rooms. 
There were no docks in the basin, only moorings. I dry sailed Lightnings out 
through the moorings and the gaps ... most boats andsailers lived to see 
another day ...LOL 
 
 

Message: 11 
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 22:28:38 -0400 
From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
To: Don Harben sailadventu...@rogers.com,      cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
     cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 
Message-ID: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 
 
Michael if you ever need crew I'm available! 
 
Steve 
 
 
 

 
Message: 12 
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 22:37:17 -0400 (EDT) 
From: johnr...@aol.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 
Message-ID: 8d11e8f183ead2b-828-2a...@webmail-vd018.sysops.aol.com 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 
 
Don't know how your local racing is regulated, but a whisker pole more than 1.5 
J is usually not allowed. 
 
 
John McLaughlin  
CC29-2 
Falcon 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Ron Casciato]

But you drive every day with uninsured motorists... At usually dangerous 
speeds 
Ron C.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:39 PM, johnr...@aol.com wrote:
 
 I certainly would not race against uninsured boats.
 
 John McLaughlin
 CC29-2
 Falcon
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
 To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
 
 Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never been 
 asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a valid PHRF 
 certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally have to sign a 
 liability waiver for some races.
 
 I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.
 
 I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage is 
 adequate.
 
 Dennis C.
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 Dennis,
  
 Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability 
 insurance.
 My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file 
 in the office to keep a boat here.
  
 Rick Taillieu
 Nemesis
 '75 CC 25  #371
 Shearwater Yacht Club
 Halifax, NS.
  
  
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
 Sent: April-04-14 17:53
 To: CnClist
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
  
 Mike,
 $2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.
 How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to show 
 in any race in my area. 
  
 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
  
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:
 Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since 
 getting the
 larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 
 17' it
 is small for a #1.
 
 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming 
 racers from
 nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on 
 Tuesdays, FS
 on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also 
 starts
 the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
 Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO
 certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.
 
 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.
 
 Mike
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 
 Message-ID: 
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 
 
 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the 
 club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is 
 dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. 
 
 Steve 
 Suhana, CC 32 
 Toronto
 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Russ Melody]

Hi John,

The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance to 
protect themselves really confuses me.


I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'm 
covered. It doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. In 
the case of an incident my policy will cover off my losses. If the 
insurance company wants to recover then they go after the other guy, 
I don't need nor am I entitled to.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote:

I certainly would not race against uninsured boats.

John McLaughlin
CC29-2
Falcon


-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've 
never been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a 
valid PHRF certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally 
have to sign a liability waiver for some races.


I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing 
coverage is adequate.


Dennis C.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu 
mailto:rtaill...@eastlink.cartaill...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Dennis,

Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million 
liability insurance.
My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be 
on file in the office to keep a boat here.


Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 CC 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: April-04-14 17:53
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Mike,
$2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.
How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had 
to show in any race in my area.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown 
mailto:m...@tkg.cam...@tkg.ca wrote:
Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. 
Since getting the
larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, 
even at 17' it

is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of 
welcoming racers from
nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on 
Tuesdays, FS
on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC 
also starts

the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO
certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
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To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[johnrmcl]

If you are a racer, you should have the integrity to get the proper insurance. 


John McLaughlin
CC29MKII
Falcon




-Original Message-
From: Russ  Melody russ...@telus.net
To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 5, 2014 8:51 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?


Hi John,

The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance toprotect 
themselves really confuses me. 

I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'mcovered. It 
doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. In thecase of an 
incident my policy will cover off my losses. If the insurancecompany wants to 
recover then they go after the other guy, I don't neednor am I entitled to.

Cheers,Russ
Sweet35 mk-1


At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote:

I certainly would not race againstuninsured boats. 

John McLaughlin
CC29-2
Falcon


-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I'venever been 
asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, avalid PHRF certificate 
is all I've been asked for.  We occasionallyhave to sign a liability waiver for 
some races.

I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverageis 
adequate.

Dennis C.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieurtaill...@eastlink.cawrote:

Dennis,

 

Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 millionliability 
insurance.

My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be onfile in 
the office to keep a boat here.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 CC 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

From: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.

Sent: April-04-14 17:53

To: CnClist

Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

Mike,

$2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.

How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've neverhad to show in 
any race in my area.  

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brownm...@tkg.ca wrote:

Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell.Since getting 
the

larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier,even at 17' it

is small for a #1.


If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy ofwelcoming racers 
from

nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS onTuesdays, FS

on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYCalso starts

the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have twoAround the

Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You willneed a PHRF-LO

certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.


If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loanyou.


Mike


Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 

From: Stevan Plavsastevanpla...@gmail.com 

To:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 


Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some funraces the 

club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is

dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races thisyear. 


Steve 

Suhana, CC 32 

Toronto 




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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Russ Melody]

Hi John,

That's my point.

I have the proper insurance.

I am bemused why the pointy heads insist that I protect my 
asset...because it's in the Sailing Instructions?!! and that makes it 
right? It is a simple fact that you should buy insurance to protect 
yourself. Maybe it's the herd instinct, I have it, so should everybody.


I buy insurance to protect my net worth, not yours!

Why is this so difficult for people to understand? In the old days an 
insurance guy would distract you with terms fancy terms and threaten 
that you could not collect on a judgement if the other guy wasn't 
insured. But under-insured protection, it is standard in my 
policy,  has thrown out that argument a long time ago. But the 
mystery remains..


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 08:31 PM 05/04/2014, you wrote:
If you are a racer, you should have the integrity to get the proper 
insurance.


John McLaughlin
CC29MKII
Falcon



-Original Message-
From: Russ  Melody russ...@telus.net
To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 5, 2014 8:51 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Hi John,

The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance to 
protect themselves really confuses me.


I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'm 
covered. It doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. 
In the case of an incident my policy will cover off my losses. If 
the insurance company wants to recover then they go after the other 
guy, I don't need nor am I entitled to.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote:

I certainly would not race against uninsured boats.

John McLaughlin
CC29-2
Falcon


-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.comcapt...@gmail.com
To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've 
never been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, 
a valid PHRF certificate is all I've been asked for.  We 
occasionally have to sign a liability waiver for some races.


I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing 
coverage is adequate.


Dennis C.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu 
mailto:rtaill...@eastlink.cartaill...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Dennis,

Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million 
liability insurance.
My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be 
on file in the office to keep a boat here.


Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 CC 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.



From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis C.

Sent: April-04-14 17:53
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

Mike,
$2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.
How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had 
to show in any race in my area.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown 
mailto:m...@tkg.cam...@tkg.ca wrote:
Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. 
Since getting the
larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, 
even at 17' it

is small for a #1.
If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of 
welcoming racers from
nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS 
on Tuesdays, FS
on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. 
NYC also starts

the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need 
a PHRF-LO

certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.
If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.
Mike

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.
Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Jim Watts]

It's quite simple, the insurance companies want to make it easy. If the guy
who just drove his bow through your wet locker has no insurance, they will
have to go to great extremes to make it good. If he has insurance, then
it's no problem, it's an internal paper chase.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
CC 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 5 April 2014 20:49, Russ  Melody russ...@telus.net wrote:

  Hi John,

 That's my point.

 I have the proper insurance.

 I am bemused why the pointy heads insist that I protect my asset...because
 it's in the Sailing Instructions?!! and that makes it right? It is a simple
 fact that you should buy insurance to protect yourself. Maybe it's the herd
 instinct, I have it, so should everybody.

 I buy insurance to protect my net worth, not yours!

 Why is this so difficult for people to understand? In the old days an
 insurance guy would distract you with terms fancy terms and threaten that
 you could not collect on a judgement if the other guy wasn't insured. But
 under-insured protection, it is standard in my policy,  has thrown out that
 argument a long time ago. But the mystery remains..


 Cheers, Russ
 *Sweet *35 mk-1


 At 08:31 PM 05/04/2014, you wrote:

 If you are a racer, you should have the integrity to get the proper
 insurance.

 John McLaughlin
 CC29MKII
 Falcon



 -Original Message-
 From: Russ  Melody russ...@telus.net
 To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Sat, Apr 5, 2014 8:51 pm
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 Hi John,

 The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance to
 protect themselves really confuses me.

 I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'm covered.
 It doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. In the case of an
 incident my policy will cover off my losses. If the insurance company wants
 to recover then they go after the other guy, I don't need nor am I entitled
 to.

 Cheers, Russ
 *Sweet *35 mk-1


 At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote:

 I certainly would not race against uninsured boats.

 John McLaughlin
 CC29-2
 Falcon


 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
 To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never
 been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a valid PHRF
 certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally have to sign a
 liability waiver for some races.

 I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

 I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage
 is adequate.

 Dennis C.


 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca
 wrote: Dennis,   Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least
 $1 million liability insurance. My club requires a current copy of the
 insurance certificate to be on file in the office to keep a boat here.   Rick
 Taillieu Nemesis '75 CC 25  #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS.
 From: CnC-List [ 
 mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: April-04-14 17:53 To: CnClist Subject: Re:
 Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?   Mike, $2 million
 insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers
 require insurance?  I've never had to show in any race in my area.Dennis
 C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA   On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM,
 Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a
 twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have
 not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1.
 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
 racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race
 NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on
 Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on
 Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an
 open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M
 insurance coverage.
 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.
 Mike

  Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa 
 stevanpla...@gmail.com  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type:
 text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the 
 club
 hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling
 but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.
 Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Rich Knowles]

I may be stunned, what with living in Eastern Canada and all, but I don't 
understand the difficulty with the insurance question. My insurance covers me 
for both self inflicted silliness like repairs resulting from running aground, 
and also provides me with some monetary protection in the event I am held 
accountable for physical damage to other persons or their property, whether I 
am racing, cruising or at anchor. All in all, a very sensible thing to have in 
my opinion. 

Rich

 On Apr 6, 2014, at 0:49, Russ  Melody russ...@telus.net wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 That's my point. 
 
 I have the proper insurance. 
 
 I am bemused why the pointy heads insist that I protect my asset...because 
 it's in the Sailing Instructions?!! and that makes it right? It is a simple 
 fact that you should buy insurance to protect yourself. Maybe it's the herd 
 instinct, I have it, so should everybody.
 
 I buy insurance to protect my net worth, not yours!
 
 Why is this so difficult for people to understand? In the old days an 
 insurance guy would distract you with terms fancy terms and threaten that you 
 could not collect on a judgement if the other guy wasn't insured. But 
 under-insured protection, it is standard in my policy,  has thrown out that 
 argument a long time ago. But the mystery remains..
 
 Cheers, Russ
 Sweet 35 mk-1
 
 
 At 08:31 PM 05/04/2014, you wrote:
 If you are a racer, you should have the integrity to get the proper 
 insurance.  
 
 John McLaughlin
 CC29MKII
 Falcon
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Russ  Melody russ...@telus.net
 To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Sat, Apr 5, 2014 8:51 pm
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
 
 Hi John,
 
 The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance to protect 
 themselves really confuses me. 
 
 I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'm covered. 
 It doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. In the case of an 
 incident my policy will cover off my losses. If the insurance company wants 
 to recover then they go after the other guy, I don't need nor am I entitled 
 to.
 
 Cheers, Russ
 Sweet 35 mk-1
 
 
 At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote:
 I certainly would not race against uninsured boats. 
 
 John McLaughlin
 CC29-2
 Falcon
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com
 To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
 
 Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never 
 been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a valid PHRF 
 certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally have to sign a 
 liability waiver for some races.
 
 I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.
 
 I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage 
 is adequate.
 
 Dennis C.
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 Dennis,
  
 Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability 
 insurance.
 My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file 
 in the office to keep a boat here.
  
 Rick Taillieu
 Nemesis
 '75 CC 25  #371
 Shearwater Yacht Club
 Halifax, NS.
  
  
  
 From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis 
 C.
 Sent: April-04-14 17:53
 To: CnClist
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? 
  
 Mike,
 $2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.
 How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to show 
 in any race in my area. 
  
 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
  
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:
 Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since 
 getting the 
 larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 
 17' it
 is small for a #1.
 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming 
 racers from
 nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on 
 Tuesdays, FS
 on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also 
 starts
 the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
 Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a 
 PHRF-LO
 certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.
 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.
 Mike
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 
 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
 club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
 dwindling but yeah, I

Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Stevan Plavsa]

There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Joel Aronson]

Sounds about right!  Yes, its a bargain if it is not a corroded mess.

Do you sail downwind a lot under main and jib or just jib?  Do you have a
fitting on the mast to attach it to?

Joel


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote:

 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!

 Thanks,
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Hoyt, Mike]

Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your
boat.  For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 +
tax so this is a good price. 

 

http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHIS
KER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for
a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker
pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar.
Buy?!

 

Thanks,

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[William Hall]

I agree, if that pole is usable, get it!

Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP.
So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J.  Having
that extra length beyond J makes a big difference.

Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J.

Cheers,
Bill


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:

 Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your
 boat.  For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 +
 tax so this is a good price.




 http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description



 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan
 Plavsa
 *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32



 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!



 Thanks,

 Steve

 Suhana, CC 32

 Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[dwight]

If you sail almost ddw with the jib poled out to weather you won't want a
pole longer than J and the boat will go a lot faster and you will want a
real spin pole not a light whisker pole

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William
Hall
Sent: April 4, 2014 1:32 PM
To: cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

I agree, if that pole is usable, get it!

 

Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP.
So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J.  Having
that extra length beyond J makes a big difference.

 

Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J.

 

Cheers,

Bill

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:

Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat.
For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so
this is a good price. 

 

http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles-
http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER
-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description
-Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/produc
t_info.html#description

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!

 

Thanks,

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Stevan Plavsa]

I didn't understand most of what you guys said, but I understood buy.

Thanks!

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM, William Hall wh...@alum.mit.edu wrote:

 I agree, if that pole is usable, get it!

 Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP.
 So if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J.  Having
 that extra length beyond J makes a big difference.

 Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J.

 Cheers,
 Bill


 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.comwrote:

 Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your
 boat.  For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 +
 tax so this is a good price.




 http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description



 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan
 Plavsa
 *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32



 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!



 Thanks,

 Steve

 Suhana, CC 32

 Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Gary Nylander]

I have both. The whisker pole is 3 inches and the spinnaker pole is 3.5 or 4 in 
diameter. For downwind sailing, there is not a lot of stress on the pole when 
hooked to a jib. If it stretches from 7 to 17, it would not be classified as 
light.

We are limited by PHRF to the J length, so I don't use it as the spinnaker pole 
does quite well, but I use the whisker pole for cruising as it pushes the 
number one further out and works better.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: dwight 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32


  If you sail almost ddw with the jib poled out to weather you won't want a 
pole longer than J and the boat will go a lot faster and you will want a real 
spin pole not a light whisker pole

   


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  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William 
Hall
  Sent: April 4, 2014 1:32 PM
  To: cnc-list
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

   

  I agree, if that pole is usable, get it!

   

  Here in Long Island Sound, the whisker pole PHRF reg is no longer than LP. So 
if your jib is a 150%, LP is 1.5*J, quite a bit longer than J.  Having that 
extra length beyond J makes a big difference.

   

  Spinnaker pole length on the other hand is usually J.

   

  Cheers,

  Bill

   

  On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:

  Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat.  
For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this 
is a good price. 

   

  
http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa
  Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

   

  There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but 
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 
32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking 
price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!

   

  Thanks,

  Steve

  Suhana, CC 32

  Toronto

   


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Gary Nylander]

To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the jib 
out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the jib on 
one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs an 
attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a track with 
an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a topping lift - 
line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, the pole is 
adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, not stretched 
tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all depends on the size 
of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, that means it will be 
out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your J measurement is 12 feet 
or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far.

Hope that explains it.

Gary


- Original Message - 
  From: Stevan Plavsa 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM
  Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32


  There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but 
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 
32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking 
price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!


  Thanks,
  Steve
  Suhana, CC 32
  Toronto




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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[John irvin]

I would.

-Original Message-
From: Stevan Plavsa
Sent: 04/04/2014 12:14
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there 
are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? 
How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is 
$100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!
 


Thanks,

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Neil Gallagher]

http://www.forespar.com/whisker2011.shtml#C_LIST

They don't list a CC 32 but based on similar length boats looks like 
Forespar would recommend 10-18 but 7-17 should work, especially if 
you're using a No. 2.  Looking at their prices, $100 is great buy if 
it's in decent shape.


Also consider if it's a twist-lock or a line-control, for a 32 you'd 
probably want the line control.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 4/4/2014 12:13 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one 
(but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right 
size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a 
whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a 
forespar. Buy?!


Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Stevan Plavsa]

In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny
out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an
improvement!

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622
What do you guys think?

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote:

  To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of
 the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with
 the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It
 needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or
 a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a
 topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually,
 the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable,
 not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all
 depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib,
 that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole.
 Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet,
 wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far.

 Hope that explains it.

 Gary


 - Original Message -

 *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!

 Thanks,
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Stevan Plavsa]

Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold.
The ad was posted today.

grumble

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote:

 In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny
 out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an
 improvement!

 http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622
 What do you guys think?

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto



 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote:

  To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of
 the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with
 the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It
 needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or
 a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a
 topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually,
 the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable,
 not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all
 depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib,
 that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole.
 Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet,
 wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far.

 Hope that explains it.

 Gary


 - Original Message -

 *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!

 Thanks,
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[dwight]

Steve,

You're lucky.just get a proper spinnaker pole for your boat and call it a
day

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: April 4, 2014 3:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold.

The ad was posted today.

 

grumble

 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
wrote:

In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out
with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement!


 

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622

What do you guys think? 

 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net
wrote:

To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the
jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the
jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It needs
an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or a
track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a
topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually,
the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable,
not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all
depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib,
that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. Your
J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, wouldn't get
the jib out nearly as far.

 

Hope that explains it.

 

Gary

 

 

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From: Stevan Plavsa mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM

Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! 

 

Thanks,

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Rich Knowles]

We all want our money back!

Rich

 On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold.
 The ad was posted today.
 
 grumble
 
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto
 
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:
 In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny out 
 with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an improvement! 
 
 http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622
 What do you guys think? 
 
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto
 
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net 
 wrote:
 To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of the 
 jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with the 
 jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It 
 needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or 
 a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a 
 topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually, 
 the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable, 
 not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all 
 depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib, 
 that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole. 
 Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet, 
 wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far.
  
 Hope that explains it.
  
 Gary
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Stevan Plavsa
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM
 Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
 
 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but 
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a 
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? 
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!
 
 Thanks,
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto
 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Stevan Plavsa]

I don't have a spinnaker.
:/




On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote:

 We all want our money back!

 Rich

 On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold.
 The ad was posted today.

 grumble

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto



 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote:

 In light air on my old Mirage 24 I've actually held the clew of my genny
 out with the boat hook to keep the sail full. I think this'll be an
 improvement!

 http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=580584622
 What do you guys think?

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto



 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Gary Nylander 
 gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote:

  To answer your basic question: the whisker pole will hold the clew of
 the jib out to windward when going downwind and sailing 'wing on wing' with
 the jib on one side, main on the other, so the jib doesn't flop around. It
 needs an attachment point on the forward side of the mast, either a ring or
 a track with an adjustable ring. For a pole of that length, you may want a
 topping lift - line from about 20 feet up the mast to hold it up. Usually,
 the pole is adjusted to get the clew of the jib out as far as reasonable,
 not stretched tight, but out to catch as much wind as possible. That all
 depends on the size of your jib. If you, like most racers, have a 155% jib,
 that means it will be out there to the full length of the 17 foot pole.
 Your J measurement is 12 feet or so, so a spinnaker pole at 12 feet,
 wouldn't get the jib out nearly as far.

 Hope that explains it.

 Gary


 - Original Message -

 *From:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Friday, April 04, 2014 12:13 PM
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!

 Thanks,
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[dwight]

Steve

 

That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker,
use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you
were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and
the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning
to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but
never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to
keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but
if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to
feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you
will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and
learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it
has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

I don't have a spinnaker.

:/

 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote:

We all want our money back!

Rich


On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold.

The ad was posted today.

 

grumble

 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Stevan Plavsa]

Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote:

 Steve



 That does not matter if you have a spinnaker...use your jib as a spinnaker,
 use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you
 were flying a kite...no guy in this case...the kite works best to weather and
 the main sail is best to leeward...the leading edge of the kite just
 beginning to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the
 forestay but never the less the same thing happens...trim the sails and steer
 the boat to keep it that way going downwind...you have a rather narrow angle
 to steer but if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and
 you learn to feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe
 me you will...so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I
 suggest and learn to do it good...that could make a big difference in SOG for
 your boat...it has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed


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 Plavsa
 *Sent:* April 4, 2014 3:29 PM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32



 I don't have a spinnaker.

 :/







 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote:

 We all want our money back!

 Rich


 On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:

  Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold.

 The ad was posted today.



 grumble



 Steve

 Suhana, CC 32

 Toronto





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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[dwight]

It's OK, try what I suggested and learn, even when not racing we all have to
go downwind sometimes.get a spin pole and try what I suggest, learn to do it
good and you will be fast downwind with your 110% in heavy air and your 150
in light

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: April 4, 2014 3:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote:

Steve

 

That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker,
use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you
were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and
the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning
to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but
never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to
keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but
if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to
feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you
will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and
learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it
has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

I don't have a spinnaker.

:/

 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote:

We all want our money back!

Rich


On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold.

The ad was posted today.

 

grumble

 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Bill Coleman]

This has been in an RCR newsletter I receive,

 


Forespar Whisker Pole For Sale:  About 140 short and 270 extended.
The diameters are 2.5 and 3 (inside and outside tubes). It has the line
control system for extending/collapsing. Asking $650.
mailto:john.m...@cushwake.com john.m...@cushwake.com

 

 

Bill Coleman

CC 39 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

Toronto

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote:

Steve

 

That does not matter if you have a spinnaker.use your jib as a spinnaker,
use the pole topping lift, the downhaul and jib sheet as you would if you
were flying a kite.no guy in this case.the kite works best to weather and
the main sail is best to leeward.the leading edge of the kite just beginning
to luff, hard to see on the jib because it is attached to the forestay but
never the less the same thing happens.trim the sails and steer the boat to
keep it that way going downwind.you have a rather narrow angle to steer but
if you get it right and your crew trims your sails right and you learn to
feel your boat you will leave your competition behind, believe me you
will.so if white sail racing is what you are about, try what I suggest and
learn to do it good.that could make a big difference in SOG for your boat.it
has for all of the CC designs that I have sailed

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: April 4, 2014 3:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

I don't have a spinnaker.

:/

 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote:

We all want our money back!

Rich


On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:16, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, so much for that. Just got a reply: Sorry the pole has been sold.

The ad was posted today.

 

grumble

 

Steve

Suhana, CC 32

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole

[Michael Brown]

A $100 whisker pole is better than nothing.

On my CC 30 the #1 is a 155%, about a 20.95' LP and ~ 22' foot.
I have a Forespar line control 12-22' whisker pole and use every inch
of it in light winds. I also have an older three piece Forespar twist lock
whisker pole that I purchased used to try. It is too flimsy at full extension
for anything put the lightest of winds. Collapsed a foot or so it is OK,
but the 16' length is not optimum for my #1.

If you might race note that PHRF Lake Ontario does not have a length rule
for whisker poles.

Still, for $100 it also makes a great pole for a cockpit cover.

Mike





Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 12:13:50 -0400 
From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
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There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but 
there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a 
CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? 
Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! 
 
Thanks, 
Steve 
Suhana, CC 32 
Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Michael Brown]

Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting 
the
larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' 
it
is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers 
from
nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, 
FS
on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts
the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO
certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike


Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 
From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the 
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is 
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. 
 
Steve 
Suhana, CC 32 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Stevan Plavsa]

That's really generous of you Mike, thanks for the offer. It's just me and
my girlfriend so I don't think we're ready to launch a spinnaker yet, and
no topping lift etc. What is NFS/FS? Any racing I do this year will be
white sail.

Someone from our club went and bungled taking their mast down using your
crane... bungled it right overboard for chrissakes. We got a polite (and
completely understandable not to mention reasonable) letter from your
commodore telling us we're not welcome to use your crane anymore. Now I
don't have anywhere to go to get my stick up! Our mast crane is too puny
for my 'huge' boat and a few of the others at the club. NYC has been very
generous letting us use their crane over the years. I'll probably have to
motor over to a marina and have them step my mast for me. If you happened
to have been around during that debacle I want you to know that I had no
part in it!!! We quietly got ours down days prior during work hours when no
one was around.

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto



On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
 getting the
 larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
 17' it
 is small for a #1.

 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
 racers from
 nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
 Tuesdays, FS
 on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
 starts
 the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
 Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
 PHRF-LO
 certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

 Mike


 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
 club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
 dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[D Harben]

Pretty standard in Ontario in order to keep a boat at a club/marina as well as 
register to race. 

Don



 On Apr 4, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 $2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.
 
 How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to show 
 in any race in my area. 
 
 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
 
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:
 Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since 
 getting the
 larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 
 17' it
 is small for a #1.
 
 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming 
 racers from
 nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on 
 Tuesdays, FS
 on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also 
 starts
 the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
 Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO
 certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.
 
 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.
 
 Mike
 
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the 
 club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is 
 dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. 
 
 Steve 
 Suhana, CC 32 
 Toronto 
 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Tim Goodyear]

BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from
the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may
still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with
spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively
pole out a 155%.  My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew
poled a bit more than 20' out.

Tim
Mojito
CC 35-3
Branford, CT


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
 getting the
 larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
 17' it
 is small for a #1.

 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
 racers from
 nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
 Tuesdays, FS
 on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
 starts
 the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
 Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
 PHRF-LO
 certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

 Mike


 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
 club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
 dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Dennis C.]

Mike,

$2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.

How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to show
in any race in my area.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
 getting the
 larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
 17' it
 is small for a #1.

 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
 racers from
 nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
 Tuesdays, FS
 on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
 starts
 the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
 Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
 PHRF-LO
 certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

 Mike


 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
 club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
 dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Andrew Burton]

Our Shields fleet requires liability insurance.
mind you, there have been more than a few collisions. Something to do with
30+ boats on the line every Wednesday night and they don't stop,
accelerate, or turn very well. Not to mention that some of the crews get
into the adult bevies on the way out to the line.

http://www.shieldsfleet9.org/

Andy
CC 40
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole

[Rick Brass]

A whisker pole should be 80 percent of the length of the LP of your largest 
headsail. For my 38, that calculates out to about 20' based on a J dimension a 
bit over 16'.

Be careful that the whisker pole is of a diameter appropriate for your boat. I 
think Forespar has a recommendation for pole diameter by boat length. A friend 
bought a pole for his boat that was small diameter, and he folded the pole one 
day when sailing downwind in a chop and the end of the pole dipped into the 
water.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:01, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:
 
 A $100 whisker pole is better than nothing.
 
 On my CC 30 the #1 is a 155%, about a 20.95' LP and ~ 22' foot.
 I have a Forespar line control 12-22' whisker pole and use every inch
 of it in light winds. I also have an older three piece Forespar twist lock
 whisker pole that I purchased used to try. It is too flimsy at full 
 extension
 for anything put the lightest of winds. Collapsed a foot or so it is OK,
 but the 16' length is not optimum for my #1.
 
 If you might race note that PHRF Lake Ontario does not have a length rule
 for whisker poles.
 
 Still, for $100 it also makes a great pole for a cockpit cover.
 
 Mike
 
 
 
 
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 12:13:50 -0400 
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 
 Message-ID: 
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 
 
 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but 
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a 
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? 
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! 
 
 Thanks, 
 Steve 
 Suhana, CC 32 
 Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Neil Gallagher]

Western LIS PHRF has a 6 sec/mi penalty for a whisker pole longer than 
the J measurement, but no limit.  I just bought a Forespar 12-22, have 
been non-spin racing with a J-length spinnaker pole and found I usually 
can not get the No.2 (145%) to fly with it.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove NY




On 4/4/2014 5:00 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote:
BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles 
from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island 
Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I 
mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is 
needed to effectively pole out a 155%.  My J is 13.6'; the #1 would 
be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out.


Tim
Mojito
CC 35-3
Branford, CT


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca 
mailto:m...@tkg.ca wrote:


Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell.
Since getting the
larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier,
even at 17' it
is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of
welcoming racers from
nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS
on Tuesdays, FS
on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays.
NYC also starts
the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two
Around the
Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will
need a PHRF-LO
certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike


Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some
fun races the
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small
club is
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races
this year.

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Rick Brass]

J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In 
PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker 
pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty.

In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice 
of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 
155.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:
 
 Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat.  
 For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 – 15 feet is $399 + tax so this 
 is a good price.
  
 http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
 Plavsa
 Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
  
 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but 
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a 
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? 
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!
  
 Thanks,
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto
  
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[Eric Baumes]

Neil,

In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations.

The regulation is

1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without
penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum
permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a
competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6
credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J
length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the
declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole.

There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less
then LP.

As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I
raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY
successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who
had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew
the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter
of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib.

Best,

Eric
34/36+

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On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote:

 J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules.
 In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a
 whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty.

 In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing
 practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your
 largest genoa is a 155.

 Rick Brass

 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:

 Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your
 boat.  For the 32 is 12.8 feet.  Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 +
 tax so this is a good price.




 http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description



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 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but
 there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a
 CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole?
 Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?!



 Thanks,

 Steve

 Suhana, CC 32

 Toronto



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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Rick Taillieu]

Dennis,

 

Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability
insurance.

My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file
in the office to keep a boat here.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 CC 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

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Sent: April-04-14 17:53
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

 

Mike,

$2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.

How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to show
in any race in my area.  

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
getting the
larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
17' it
is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
racers from
nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
Tuesdays, FS
on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
starts
the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
PHRF-LO
certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike



Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 
From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 

Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the 
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is 
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. 

Steve 
Suhana, CC 32 
Toronto 


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

[dwight]

Tim

 

If you used a 20 foot whisker pole to get your 155 clew further out to
leeward do the rules state that the inboard end of the pole must be attached
at the mast?  I have never found a beneficial (better speed) use for a long
whisker pole like that.and when I do see them used most boats have a crew
controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds.

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Goodyear
Sent: April 4, 2014 6:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32

 

BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from
the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may
still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with
spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole
out a 155%.  My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a
bit more than 20' out.

 

Tim

Mojito

CC 35-3

Branford, CT

 

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
getting the
larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
17' it
is small for a #1.

If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
racers from
nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
Tuesdays, FS
on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
starts
the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
PHRF-LO
certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

Mike



Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 
From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 

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Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the 
club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is 
dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. 

Steve 
Suhana, CC 32 
Toronto 


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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?

[Dennis C.]

Guess I'm in a weird area.  Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never
been asked for insurance for dockage or racing.  For racing, a valid PHRF
certificate is all I've been asked for.  We occasionally have to sign a
liability waiver for some races.

I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida.

I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage
is adequate.

Dennis C.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 Dennis,



 Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million
 liability insurance.

 My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file
 in the office to keep a boat here.



 Rick Taillieu

 Nemesis

 '75 CC 25  #371

 Shearwater Yacht Club

 Halifax, NS.







 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
 C.
 *Sent:* April-04-14 17:53
 *To:* CnClist
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?



 Mike,

 $2 million insurance?  Hmmm.  Interesting policy.

 How many other racing organizers require insurance?  I've never had to
 show in any race in my area.



 Dennis C.

 Touche' 35-1 #83

 Mandeville, LA



 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since
 getting the
 larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at
 17' it
 is small for a #1.

 If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming
 racers from
 nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on
 Tuesdays, FS
 on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also
 starts
 the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the
 Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a
 PHRF-LO
 certificate and show $2M insurance coverage.

 If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you.

 Mike

 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400
 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
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 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the
 club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is
 dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year.

 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto


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