Re: [Computer-go] Pegasus - Cronus - Hercules ?
The Latinised spellings suggest that the authors are not from Greece. Nick On 7 March 2018 at 13:26, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > Out of couriosity: Who are the programmers > behind Pegasus, Cronus, and Hercules? > (These three bots are in the top group > on CGOS.) > > May they be different bots from the same group? > Are the authors from Greece? > > Questions over questions ... > > Ingo. > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of today's KGS computer Go tournament, with 12 wins from 12 games! It will receive a mystery prize donated by Ingo Althöfer. The results table is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/132/index.html Zen also becomes the annual KGS computer Go champion, for its seventh consecutive year, see http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/annual/index.html Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament
The link should be http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1127 as pointed out by Hideki Kato. Nick On 26 October 2017 at 08:43, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The November KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, November 5th, starting > at 16:00 UTC and ending by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with > time limits of 14 minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi > of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. See http://www.gokgs.com/tour > nInfo.jsp?id=112 <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116>7 > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > With the falling interest in these events since the advent of AlphaGo, it > is likely that this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament
Reminder - it's tomorrow. Nick On 26 October 2017 at 08:43, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The November KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, November 5th, starting > at 16:00 UTC and ending by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with > time limits of 14 minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi > of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. See http://www.gokgs.com/tour > nInfo.jsp?id=112 <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116>7 > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > With the falling interest in these events since the advent of AlphaGo, it > is likely that this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament
Hi Hiroshi, Thank you for entering. AyaMC is now registered. Regards, Nick On 27 October 2017 at 00:06, Hiroshi Yamashita <y...@bd.mbn.or.jp> wrote: > Hi Nick, > > this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments. >> > > Thank you for holding KGS tournament since 2005. > On CGOS, there are always some new comers. > I hope they also enter KGS bot tournament. > > Thanks, > Hiroshi Yamashita > > > - Original Message - From: "Nick Wedd" <mapr...@gmail.com> > To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:43 PM > Subject: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament > > > The November KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, November 5th, starting > at 16:00 UTC and ending by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with > time limits > of 14 minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It > will be a Swiss tournament. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=112 > <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116>7 > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > With the falling interest in these events since the advent of AlphaGo, it > is likely that this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament
The November KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, November 5th, starting at 16:00 UTC and ending by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=112 <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116>7 Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title. With the falling interest in these events since the advent of AlphaGo, it is likely that this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of the KGS slow bot tournament which ended today! Zen won all its eight games with AyaMC, the only other player. My very short report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S17.2/index.html Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] September KGS bot tournament: slow
Reminder - it starts in 11 hours. Nick On 25 August 2017 at 21:22, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The March KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, September 3rd, starting > at 22:00 UTC and end by 14:00 UTC on Wednesday 6th. It will use 19x19 > boards, with time limits of 235 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, > and komi of 7½. That's four hours each, so each round will take eight > hours. > > It will be a Swiss tournament, with eight rounds. See > https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1120 > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] September KGS bot tournament: slow
The March KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, September 3rd, starting at 22:00 UTC and end by 14:00 UTC on Wednesday 6th. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 235 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. That's four hours each, so each round will take eight hours. It will be a Swiss tournament, with eight rounds. See https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1120 Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] FineArt/JuEZy plays on CGOS!
Hi Magnus, Thank you for the information. I don't know how to interpret it. Is there any relationship between these two lists of Elo ratings? http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_ranks_and_ratings Best, Nick On 17 July 2017 at 12:40, <valky...@phmp.se> wrote: > http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/cross/JuEYi.html > > Best > Magnus > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament, with seven wins from seven games! My very short report on the tournament is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/131/index.html . I hope to improve it by adding a cross-table with links to the game records, once the KGS page http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=s=1116 has been updated. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] KGS Bot tournament July
I'm sorry that I have not yet found time to write my report. The KGS software that should create the results pages has not been working. This was also a problem with the May KGS bot tournament. Nick On 9 July 2017 at 18:46, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote: > Dear Ingo, > > Don't worry, the tournament has finished normaly and Zen won. > The detail will be announced later by Nick. > #The service that update the web page looks broken. > > Best, Hideki > > Ingo Althofer: 1499614872425@3capp-gmx-bs29>: > >Hello, > > > >it seems that the KGS bot tournament did not start, yet. > >What is the matter? > > > >Ingo. > >___ > >Computer-go mailing list > >Computer-go@computer-go.org > >http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- > Hideki Kato <mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] July KGS bot tournament
On 8 July 2017 at 18:06, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <g...@sjeng.org> wrote: > On 8/07/2017 9:07, Nick Wedd wrote: > > The July KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, July 7th, starting at > > 08:00 UTC and end by 15:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with > > time limits of 14 minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and > > komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. > > See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116 > > <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116> > > The announced time control doesn't match up with the one on the web page. > > You're right, thank you for pointing it out. The July KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, July *9th*, starting at 08:00 UTC and end by 15:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of *29* minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116 Nick > -- > GCP > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] July KGS bot tournament
Reminder - it's tomorrow, Sunday July 9th. Nick On 19 June 2017 at 11:37, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The July KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, July 7th, starting at 08:00 UTC > and end by 15:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 > minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will > be a Swiss tournament. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116 > > The two highest-placed players in this tournament will be invited to > compete (again via KGS) in the Computer Go event of the European Go > Congress ( http://www.egc2017.eu/ ), on Wednesday August 2nd. > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] July KGS bot tournament
The July KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, July 7th, starting at 08:00 UTC and end by 15:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1116 The two highest-placed players in this tournament will be invited to compete (again via KGS) in the Computer Go event of the European Go Congress ( http://www.egc2017.eu/ ), on Wednesday August 2nd. Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Aya!
Congratulations to AyaMC, winner of last Sunday's KGS bot tournament! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/130/index.html As usual, I will welcome your comments and corrections. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament
Reminder - it's tomorrow. On 27 April 2017 at 21:06, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The May KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, May 7th, starting at 16:00 UTC > and end by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 > minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will > be a Swiss tournament. See https://www.gokgs.com/ > tournEntrants.jsp?id=1113 > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament
The May KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, May 7th, starting at 16:00 UTC and end by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 minutes each and very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. See https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1113 Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] What a week ...
On 21 March 2017 at 03:45, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > * Will AlphaGo accept the challenge by FineArt? > (or Google the one by 10Cent, respectively ?) > > * Will DeepZenGo win the World Championships, starting right now? > > * Will some Robin Good rise from the underwoods to > save humanity's honour? > > * Which of the currently three top bots will show up in the > European Go Congress in Oberhof in July/August 2017? > Will there be a bot event in Oberhof? I can see no mention of one at http://www.egc2017.eu/events/ . Admittedly the schedule is very hard to read, and resists attempts to enlarge it with ctrl-+. Cheers, Nick > > Questions over questions ... > > ** > And one unasked answer: > TenCent was founded in November 1998 with the help of > US-american risc capital. > > Cheers, Ingo (pressing his thumbs for DeepZenGo right now). > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen19X!
Thank you for pointing out the errors. I have corrected my report. Best wishes, Nick On 16 March 2017 at 20:04, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote: > Thank you for the tournament and the report. > > I believe the number of players was 4, rather than 6, and "2016 > Annual KGS Bot Championship" should be 2017. > > Hideki > > Nick Wedd: <CAEVtG+M0+=cKb_E=OiP0Hm8_KuYXGkWutWVnEAqq4cQej0+7jw@ > mail.gmail.com>: > >Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of the Spring Slow KGS bot tournament! > > > >My report is now at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S17.1/index.html > >As always, I will welcome your comments and corrections. > > > >I apologise for the very late appearance of my report. At first I put it > >off because the KGS software I use to build the crosstable had stopped > >working, and I hoped that it would be repaired (it is still broken). Then > I > >was overtaken by other commitments for a few days. > > > >Nick > -- > Hideki Kato <mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> > _______ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen19X!
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of the Spring Slow KGS bot tournament! My report is now at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S17.1/index.html As always, I will welcome your comments and corrections. I apologise for the very late appearance of my report. At first I put it off because the KGS software I use to build the crosstable had stopped working, and I hoped that it would be repaired (it is still broken). Then I was overtaken by other commitments for a few days. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] March KGS bot tournament - slow
There have been some interesting games in this event. Zen19X has just lost a game to JulieBot, by passing when the game was over but JulieBot made a sente move inside its territory. Unfortunately, I have not been writing my usual report and updating it after each round, as there is a problem with the KGS server, that hinders user access to completed games, and prevents the creation of a web page for each completed round. Also unfortunately, I shall be busy with other activities for the next few days, and probably won't be able to write my report until Monday. Nick On 27 February 2017 at 12:06, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The March KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, March 5th, starting at > 22:00 UTC and end by 14:00 UTC on Wednesday 8th. It will use 19x19 > boards, with time limits of 235 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, > and komi of 7½. That's four hours each, so each round will take eight > hours. > > It will be a Swiss tournament, with eight rounds. See > *https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100 > <https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100>* > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] March KGS bot tournament - slow
Reminder - it's tomorrow. Nick On Feb 27, 2017 12:06 PM, "Nick Wedd" <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The March KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, March 5th, starting at > 22:00 UTC and end by 14:00 UTC on Wednesday 8th. It will use 19x19 > boards, with time limits of 235 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, > and komi of 7½. That's four hours each, so each round will take eight > hours. > > It will be a Swiss tournament, with eight rounds. See > *https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100 > <https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100>* > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] March KGS bot tournament - slow
The March KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, March 5th, starting at 22:00 UTC and end by 14:00 UTC on Wednesday 8th. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 235 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. That's four hours each, so each round will take eight hours. It will be a Swiss tournament, with eight rounds. See *https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100 <https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100>* Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of today's KGS bot tournament! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/129/index.html As always, I hope you will send me your comments and corections. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] January KGS bot tournament
Reminder - it's tomorrow. Nick On 7 January 2017 at 17:19, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The January KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, January 15th, starting > at 08:00 UTC and end by 15:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits > of 29 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It > will be a Swiss tournament. See *http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1095 > <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1095>* > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title. > In view of the low numbers of entrants to these events in the last half of > 2016, I have reduced their frequency to six a year. The schedule for 2017 > is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/future.html > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Computer Go Journal
Now disposed of. Nick On 13 January 2017 at 10:32, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a partial run of Computer Go", issues 3-16, dated 1987-1991; also > some duplicates. Is this of any interest to anyone? I live in England, and > will send it to anyone willing to pay mailing costs. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Computer Go Journal
Hi Xavier, I'm sorry, I've just sent it to someone else. Nick On 13 January 2017 at 12:18, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm interested, What would be approx the mailing cost to send to France ? > > Le 13/01/2017 à 11:32, Nick Wedd a écrit : > > I have a partial run of Computer Go", issues 3-16, dated 1987-1991; also > some duplicates. Is this of any interest to anyone? I live in England, and > will send it to anyone willing to pay mailing costs. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing > listComputer-go@computer-go.orghttp://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Computer Go Journal
I have a partial run of Computer Go", issues 3-16, dated 1987-1991; also some duplicates. Is this of any interest to anyone? I live in England, and will send it to anyone willing to pay mailing costs. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord
The first time someone's killed by an AI-controlled vehicle, you can be sure it'll be world news. That's how journalism works. Nick On 7 January 2017 at 21:24, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ...this is a major objective. E.g., we do not want AI driven cars > > working right most of the time but sometimes killing people because > > the AI faces situations (such as a local sand storm or a painting on > > the street with a fake landscape or fake human being) outside its > > current training and reading. > currently I don't like to be killed by a drunk driver, and to my opinion > it is very more likely to happen than an AI killing me because a mistake > in programming (I know, it is not the point of view of most of people > which want a perfect AI with zero dead and not an AI which would reduce > the death on road by a factor 100) > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] January KGS bot tournament
The January KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, January 15th, starting at 08:00 UTC and end by 15:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 29 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament. See *http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1095 <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1095>* Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title. In view of the low numbers of entrants to these events in the last half of 2016, I have reduced their frequency to six a year. The schedule for 2017 is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/future.html Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to AyaMC!
Congratulations to AyaMC, undefeated winner of the December KGS bot tournament! I apologise for making this announcement later than usual. My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/128/index.html Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Fwd: December KGS bot tournament
Reminder - it's tomorrow. -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> Date: 26 November 2016 at 20:48 Subject: December KGS bot tournament To: computer-go@computer-go.org The December KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, December 4th, starting at 16:00 UTC and end by 21:25 UTC. It will use 13x13 boards, with time limits of 19 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament, with two divisions. Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1087 and http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1088 Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] December KGS bot tournament
The December KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, December 4th, starting at 16:00 UTC and end by 21:25 UTC. It will use 13x13 boards, with time limits of 19 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament, with two divisions. Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1087 and http://www.gokgs.com/ tournInfo.jsp?id=1088 Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to AyaMC!
Congratulations to AyaMC, winner of the November KGS bot tournament! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/127/index.html As usual I will welcome your comments and corrections. ~~ I am beginning to plan the schedule of KGS bot tournaments for 2017. The number of players (exclding GNU Go, which only plays to make the numbers even) this year has been 7,7,6,4,6,5,4,5,4,3,3. The advent of AlphaGo has stimulated interest in computer Go, but has reduced attendance at these events. There are not enough to justify the simultaneous running of two divisions: this will be cancelled. I will probably reduce the frequency to six tournaments a year, but I would like to hear your views. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] KGS computer Go tournament, November
Reminder - it's tomorrow. Nick On 5 November 2016 at 17:29, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The November KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, November 13h, starting > at 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:05 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with > time limits of 14 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. > > > It will be a 12-round Swiss tournament with two divisions. Only bots that > have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may > enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open > Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) > for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and > the Formal Division will be cancelled. > > See *http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1085 > <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1085>* and > *http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1086 > <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1086>* . Please register by > emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" > in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] KGS computer Go tournament, November
The November KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, November 13h, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:05 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a 12-round Swiss tournament with two divisions. Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. See *http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1085 <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1085>* and *http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1086 <http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1086>* . Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to AyaMC!
Congratulations to AyaMC, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament with 40 wins from 40 rounds! This is the highest score I have ever seen, and am ever likely to see. My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/126/index.html As usual, I will welcome your comments and corrections. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] October KGS bot tournament
Reminder - it's tomorrow. Nick On 1 October 2016 at 15:26, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The October KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, October 9th, starting at > 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:55 UTC. It will use 9x9 boards, with time limits > of five minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. > > It will be a 40-round Swiss tournament with two divisions. Only bots that > have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may > enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open > Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) > for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and > the Formal Division will be cancelled. > [ corrected URLs below ] > > See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1080 and > http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1081 > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you > want to play in. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] October KGS bot tournament
Hi Urban, I would say, in a 9x9 tournament, being able to beat GNU Go at 9x9 is enough. I hope you will enter it for the Formal division. Nick On 3 October 2016 at 11:13, Urban Hafner <cont...@urbanhafner.com> wrote: > How do you define “beating GnuGo”? My bot is a standard MCTS bot that is > considerably stronger on 9x9 than it is on 19x19 and it has no problem > beating GnuGo on 9x9 but is much weaker than GnuGo on 19x19. Which division > should I apply for? > > Urban > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The October KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, October 9th, starting >> at 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:55 UTC. It will use 9x9 boards, with time >> limits >> of five minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. >> >> It will be a 40-round Swiss tournament with two divisions. Only bots >> that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) >> may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open >> Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting >> gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open >> Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. >> >> See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1078 and >> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1079 . Please register by >> emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament >> Registration" >> in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. >> >> Nick >> -- >> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > > -- > Blog: http://bettong.net/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh > Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] October KGS bot tournament
Yes, my mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. Nick On 1 October 2016 at 21:45, Detlef Schmicker <d...@physik.de> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > sorry, in your announcement you wrote five, but everything is good > > Am 01.10.2016 um 22:27 schrieb Nick Wedd: > > Hi Detlef, > > > > On 1 October 2016 at 20:18, Detlef Schmicker <d...@physik.de> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > you created the game with 4 min each on KGS? > > > > I created the tournament with 4 min each, as promised at > >> http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/future.html . Have I done it wrong > >> soemhow? > > > >> Nick > > > > > > > > > > Detlef > > > > Am 01.10.2016 um 16:26 schrieb Nick Wedd: > >>>> The October KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, October > >>>> 9th, starting at 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:55 UTC. It will > >>>> use 9x9 boards, with time limits of five minutes each plus > >>>> very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. > >>>> > >>>> It will be a 40-round Swiss tournament with two divisions. > >>>> Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 > >>>> (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal > >>>> Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. > >>>> If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting > >>>> gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred > >>>> to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be > >>>> cancelled. > >>>> > >>>> See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1078 and > >>>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1079 . Please > >>>> register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words > >>>> "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying > >>>> which division you want to play in. > >>>> > >>>> Nick > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ Computer-go > >>>> mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org > >>>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > >>>> > >> ___ Computer-go > >> mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org > >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ Computer-go > > mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJX8CBQAAoJEInWdHg+Znf4AxMP/1oW/Uxw0uSuZNqN8pXAbRis > d1UiFHXbg/EG0rq9CKBhJX0SuxyzavfLMzFi/MdaDsahb3Z0/thfOKDa+Kbly4Ox > JhRFBBgTocMLGb7E7hFeko7Vj/FDTUeO1b9vERcBH48cxeatMsG31SrXKJHzQYST > dpiB0H7TbsRBNuL5ieN5LcQisfb6QI8lRHK+tTXvGLCxKNJ2VqGZpNsqPtyHlDjG > UK/UWHjsMJ41uTox+g46qWu3gSz+tj/yRNCoRs2I1PK4sONMatYZeuBzxxg/Vkq4 > iiKqzKMzZZlZyX/8kqpaQkPeY5yK0hwPER0OsC7qk/eTT1V2ypR7cmmLFPBpAlXG > ORmlQi5BoagPqkRNfkX5mqEvUUnU91wUlY2Nn8J1XvoaKtCdzUlKjcpLaG2mchE6 > JUg0DPbkhEejyXpLrSV8SHn5D9XCE/8MCOsdk4gof1Mibvh5cPfWDi7p0BEpuRfR > 4Dv32JDRq6K1F7J8/9GU5WkKyJiG40YwUnSIxdPbknQ1Pp7kg6dFygDckjDg7AWN > GuwzgZvJaSh+NWsHIihZaWWsufu8qS25oxKppcW62VqiriXhw/qUu8ynt89KwTb6 > 0q2j6ASorg/HQRMwsfYph2X3BYl8VBo/N1Rl9DoT5Xw+aoHZW/uuLgbQSOTr8dXO > lyNlWTJSd3tNowkjYZ5+ > =6Ako > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] October KGS bot tournament
Hi Detlef, On 1 October 2016 at 20:18, Detlef Schmicker <d...@physik.de> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Nick, > > you created the game with 4 min each on KGS? > > I created the tournament with 4 min each, as promised at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/future.html . Have I done it wrong soemhow? Nick > Detlef > > Am 01.10.2016 um 16:26 schrieb Nick Wedd: > > The October KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, October 9th, > > starting at 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:55 UTC. It will use 9x9 > > boards, with time limits of five minutes each plus very fast > > Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. > > > > It will be a 40-round Swiss tournament with two divisions. Only > > bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated > > as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength > > may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants > > (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be > > transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be > > cancelled. > > > > See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1078 and > > http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1079 . Please register > > by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament > > Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to > > play in. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > ___ Computer-go mailing > > list Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJX8AwdAAoJEInWdHg+Znf4qa4QAKoRVKn2oUO/jrB2JkQHkdQX > 9LPFziq4MffGhx6G8WUWxSZjz/PF3vtGSiyP3BovPvVT0BOtZ4CFrVQR7/vSdggn > wdguvjECHCb6ubS0l0ExmXhzLglaUk/d1cBCMCo7ywjTWzt5i9WYLy9T4eADh134 > Ky3QmSsUHqkrLCx+bRCgeiJft8IhSM1ZtktwRqYZHpWkyROXbCk3XaRJsk6kxx4m > 5ugiCgXnBiGUmq4Q9PPHr+J25DnQBv5xm+E9b9BdCfRUdD94oChmNXlaD6ZQwuYO > jKFfTByYq+RUDXVWXDtVLjZXLw6eBBpL29lCzoMXEzD6rKo9ArfMtWJ9H3dHx8UA > HyepuBLvfdIjXa3fIrn/WFnBBhgmAEwzkYawj4cDwVoBlG1QoX75sGSbwKYb97U7 > 6GZ/0td9O8YyAfhQuvoFuu/Un1bfrcmMrUNbmBdKTiNkEZMEJzwXeINuSV2nIHmO > FvjW0zF9k+v3AtJDBm6NLNOlMmCb7yLzuw7DZhzDzlKMwdoTWwkGER7mLhVPYDca > seBLlOtgNp3QD9fPaoaKConGyVfDaxhFupYPc/edAf//HPHRYGAT3PyfFet/WuDl > TRksI8Go2wr6kz+hVhqrD8VQKo1X33USaQ7i0tk/mqglJL+h83dO0Owp4z8AupIQ > UDNdpZyLz8DW7893Q2XF > =Dex5 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] October KGS bot tournament
The October KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, October 9th, starting at 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:55 UTC. It will use 9x9 boards, with time limits of five minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. It will be a 40-round Swiss tournament with two divisions. Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1078 and http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1079 . Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AyaMC!
Thank you for pointing this out. There are no hidden tie-break shenanigans. There is a defect in the script I use to convert https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=s=1068 to a crosstable. I'll probably leave the script as it is, and put this right with manual edits. I think Robert Waite reads this list, maybe he'll explain how the graphs are generated. Nick On 8 September 2016 at 08:35, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <g...@sjeng.org> wrote: > On 7/09/2016 21:21, Nick Wedd wrote: > > Congratulations to AyaMC, undefeated winner of the September slow KGS > > bot tournament, which ended earlier today! > > > > My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S16.2/index.html > > As usual, I will welcome your comments and corrections. > > Given that LeelaBot and ManyFaces1 have the same points, SOS and SoDOS, > it seems more appropriate to list both at place 2 rather than Leela as > second and ManyFaces as third. Unless there's some tiebreak shenanigans > I'm not aware of. > > The NeuralZ graphs are pretty. I wonder how they were generated. > > -- > GCP > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to AyaMC!
Congratulations to AyaMC, undefeated winner of the September slow KGS bot tournament, which ended earlier today! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S16.2/index.html As usual, I will welcome your comments and corrections. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] September KGS Slow bot tournament
Reminder - it starts tomorrow. Nick On 27 August 2016 at 13:44, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The September KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, September 4th at 22:00 > UTC and end by 14:05 UTC on September th. It will use 19x19 boards, with > time limits of almost four hours each plus very fast Canadian overtime, > and komi of 7½. > > It will be a Swiss tournament, with two divisions. Only bots that have > shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may enter > the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If > there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal > Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal > Division will be cancelled. > > See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1068 and > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1069 > > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS > Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you > want to play in. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments
Hi Ingo, That's a good question. I'll ask the organiser. Cheers, Nick On 3 September 2016 at 09:07, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Nick, > > thanks for the announcement. > > > KGS has announced that it will be running, for the first time, > > a "mixed" tournament where both humans and bots can play on > > the same terms. This will be held on Saturday and Sunday, > > September 17th/18th. > > Will Centaurs be allowed? I.e., humans which use computer help? > > Cheers, Ingo. > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] KGS mixed human-and-bot tournaments
On 1 September 2016 at 02:23, Michael Alford <m...@aracnet.com> wrote: > Isn't this byoyomi heavily in favor of bots? > > Just asking. > Not that I'm aware of (and it's not byo-yomi, it's Canadian overtime). What form of overtime do you think would be less favourable to bots? Nick > > On 8/31/16 10:24 AM, Nick Wedd wrote: > > KGS has announced that it will be running, for the first time, a "mixed" > tournament where both humans and bots can play on the same terms. This > will be held on Saturday and Sunday, September 17th/18th. > > The tournament is in two divisions, suitable for different time zones. > Both are 19x19, No Handicap, Single Elimination. The time settings are 30 > minutes main time plus Canadian 2 minutes per 10 moves (30m + 2min / 10 > moves). The rounds are spaced 90 min apart, 3 rounds on the first day, > remaining rounds on the second day. > > There are details at https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1070 > (Asia/Europe) and https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1071 > (Americas). Bots may enter both divisions. There are small prizes, which > may be won by bots. > > The organisers expect entrants with a wide range of strengths, and I hope > that these will include bots with a range of strengths. As it's an > Elimination tournament, weaker players are likely to be eliminated on the > Saturday. > > Entrants are invited to register themselves for this tournament, using the > "Tournament Registration" link at the top right of the pages cited above. > When registering a bot, please also email me, so that I can check that all > bots are being operated by, or with the approval of, their creators, and we > do not have multiple instances of identical bots. > > I hope all bot authors will consider entering this event. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing > listComputer-go@computer-go.orghttp://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] September KGS Slow bot tournament
The September KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, September 4th at 22:00 UTC and end by 14:05 UTC on September th. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of almost four hours each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament, with two divisions. Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently rated as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1068 and http://www.gokgs.com/ tournInfo.jsp?id=1069 Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Missing results for Computer Go events
I have not been able to find any results for three Computer Go events from this year: 4th Densei-Sen March 23 http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/densei4_En/ Korea Baduk Association June or July http://english.baduk.or.kr/ FuzzIEEE 2016 July 25-29 http://www.wcci2016.org/ Does anyone here access to these results? -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
I have provided a crosstable for the Open division. The rules governing the two divisions are explained at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/rules.html#twodivs Nick On 10 August 2016 at 08:06, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> wrote: > thanks a lot, it was more a surprise than anything else. What are the > difference of rules between open and close division ? > > 2016-08-09 9:23 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: > >> I could create a cross-table for the Open division. If there are enough >> players in future Open divisions, I will. But, with only two players, and >> almost all games decided by one of the players running out of time or by >> the other failing to appear at all, I didn't bother. >> >> Maybe I'll do it anyway. It won't be difficult. But at present, all the >> game results are shown in what looks like Czech, and my crosstable-building >> script won't understand them. >> >> Nick >> >> On 8 August 2016 at 23:48, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Is it volunteer that there is no cross table for open division ? If I >>> understand well there is only two bot on it. >>> >>> 2016-08-08 13:59 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of yesterdays's KGS bot tournament! >>>> >>>> My report, at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/125/index.html , is >>>> longer than usual. I hope you will email me with your comments and >>>> corrections. >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> -- >>>> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Computer-go mailing list >>>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >>>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Computer-go mailing list >>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
I could create a cross-table for the Open division. If there are enough players in future Open divisions, I will. But, with only two players, and almost all games decided by one of the players running out of time or by the other failing to appear at all, I didn't bother. Maybe I'll do it anyway. It won't be difficult. But at present, all the game results are shown in what looks like Czech, and my crosstable-building script won't understand them. Nick On 8 August 2016 at 23:48, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is it volunteer that there is no cross table for open division ? If I > understand well there is only two bot on it. > > 2016-08-08 13:59 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: > >> Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of yesterdays's KGS bot tournament! >> >> My report, at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/125/index.html , is >> longer than usual. I hope you will email me with your comments and >> corrections. >> >> Nick >> -- >> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of yesterdays's KGS bot tournament! My report, at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/125/index.html , is longer than usual. I hope you will email me with your comments and corrections. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Fwd: August KGS bot tournament: 19x19, two divisions
Reminder - it's tomorrow. Nick The August KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, August 7th, starting at 08:00 UTC and ending by 14:45 UTC. It will use 13x13 boards, with time limits of 9 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament, with two divisions. Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently paying as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1064 and http://www.gokgs.com/ tournInfo.jsp?id=1065 (If anyone notices that those tournaments are not set up the way I intended, the sooner they tell me the better. Last month I accidentally set one of them to the wrong board size.) Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] OGS Alan Turing Main Title Tournament 2016
On 30 July 2016 at 09:05, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hello, > thanks for the link. > > I expect this to become the first time where either > a computer or a computer-assisted human will win the event. > Wasn't it won by a bot, Valkyria, last year? https://online-go.com/tournament/6300 Nick > > Ingo. > > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2016 um 09:50 Uhr > Von: "SR G" <gameso...@gmail.com> > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] OGS Alan Turing Main Title Tournament 2016 > > Sorry, the correct link should be: https://online-go.com/tournament/17742 > > 2016-07-30 0:49 GMT-07:00 SR G <gameso...@gmail.com[gameso...@gmail.com]>: > OGS Alan Turing Main Title Tournament 2016 ( > https://online-go.com/tournament/[https://online-go.com/tournament/17053]17742) > is starting on August 1st, 2016. > > - Most participants are humans. > - Robots and computer assisted humans are allowed. > - Board size: 19x19 > - Timing system: Fischer Timing > - Initial timer: 7 days > - Increment per move: 1 day > - Maximum time: 7 days___ > Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go[http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go] > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
There were problems caused by my mis-typing entities: omitting the "&", and typing "freac" instead of "frac". I fixed those manually. I have now run the page through https://validator.w3.org/, and taken its advice as far as I can. Initially it reported 26 errors and 6 warnings. At peak, this was up to 134 errors. I eventually reduced it to 9 reported errors, which I cannot remove without causing rendering errors. The process was instructive, but has reinforced my view "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Nick On 17 July 2016 at 19:08, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <g...@sjeng.org> wrote: > On 17/07/2016 17:03, Xavier Combelle wrote: > > It seems that on my firefox 47.0.1 some html entities are rendered for > > example komi 7 but with the 9times;9 tournament still running, > > Renders correctly here and also with a clean Firefox profile, so the > problem is likely either your addons/extensions or your settings. > > That said, the HTML of that page has a fair number of errors: the meta > tag looks corrupted, there's no encoding information, ampersands in > links aren't properly escaped, there's a few stray and the Annual > points table also has stray closing table tags. So it's also not that > surprising that it can get misrendered. > > Nick, maybe it's worthwhile to run your template through an HTML validator. > > -- > GCP > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Thank you, David, I have corrected the page. Nick On 16 July 2016 at 19:20, David Fotland <fotl...@smart-games.com> wrote: > Correction on ManyFaces hardware. Running on a 4-core i7-4790 3.6 GHz, > without a GPU, using a deep neural net (that I trained on KGS games). > > > > David > > > > *From:* Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] *On > Behalf Of *Nick Wedd > *Sent:* Saturday, July 16, 2016 8:21 AM > *To:* computer-go@computer-go.org > *Subject:* [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen! > > > > Congratulations to Zen19X, undefeated winner of last Sunday's KGS bot > tournament! > > > > My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/124/index.html. It is > late because I have been on holiday with only a laptop for the last week. > I hope you will all tell me of any comments or corrections. > > > > I apologise for my error in setting up the Open division with 9x9 boards, > which meant that no games could be played in that division. > > > > Nick > > -- > > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, undefeated winner of last Sunday's KGS bot tournament! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/124/index.html. It is late because I have been on holiday with only a laptop for the last week. I hope you will all tell me of any comments or corrections. I apologise for my error in setting up the Open division with 9x9 boards, which meant that no games could be played in that division. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Fwd: July KGS bot tournament: 19x19, two divisions
Reminder: it's tomorrow. Nick -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> Date: 28 June 2016 at 18:54 Subject: July KGS bot tournament: 19x19, two divisions To: computer-go@computer-go.org The July KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, July 10th, starting at 16:00 UTC and ending by 22:05 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 29 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament, with two divisions. Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently paying as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1047 and http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1049 Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] July KGS bot tournament: 19x19, two divisions
The July KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, July 10th, starting at 16:00 UTC and ending by 22:05 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 29 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½. It will be a Swiss tournament, with two divisions. Only bots that have shown that they can beat gnugo3pt8 (currently paying as 5k on KGS) may enter the Formal Division. Bots of any strength may enter the Open Division. If there are fewer than three entrants (not counting gnugo3pt8) for the Formal Division, they will be transferred to the Open Division, and the Formal Division will be cancelled. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1047 and http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1049 Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, saying which division you want to play in. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] cgos <--> kgs rating
GNU Go is now rated at 5k on KGS, having spent about a month at 4k. This version is running a single thread on my rather old desktop. Nick On 27 June 2016 at 21:04, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote: > GNU Go has 1800 Elo on cgos and is ranked from 8 to 6 kyu on KGS. > Zen v11.8 has 3420 on cgos using 2 cores and 8-core version is > ranked 8d (blitz) on KGS. The difference must be about 200 Elo. > Probably Aya (and HiraBot?) also have two numbers. > #Note that the time settings are different for cgos and kgs. > > Hideki > > Detlef Schmicker: <57716ada.9060...@physik.de>: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >Hay, > > > >I wonder if somebody has the same program (with the same settings) > >rated on cgos 19x19 and kgs? > > > >I am still fighting with resigning in the case of value-network and > >playouts disagree, so I can not run oakfoam on kgs, but would like to > >have a strength hint :) > > > > > >Thanks Detlef > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > >Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > > >iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXcWraAAoJEInWdHg+Znf4vFgP/18AbsZpOH9mjjE4j30j4WZm > >R3MJFQW/519IczwBNkps80Q1Gl0K7LYJ6ss7Ok0FUmqVB+3V4+ZXoMLp5wD637VO > >nRTXCvdx+xUyyR+fPgj7PEtGCr+hNsbvDlwxqsqdX5laK+L5NanvPMIWz0ZMCFlV > >7CUHweIwac2f56l679Urf+wqBXysQiGcOHbXmcWlUVlJ6Og4xKfCJM38Gx2gUyfK > >+yPecX6c84t1qe/h9rw2E9tkP9KHM0rpyTsJGLvVh2ia8mmkdP1KZeeFd7sM9pQV > >vClV53JJdU//iCqi5/XB2Sn4YTgElk4GjTsb5pC7EmG1QM7+PhU6v7mfYll/4XV1 > >xGeLuFRU+eqQvkd0yW+x/GRlgTfbo212nNwuHWNpGe9InCwFEIvcNNe2lPo6B+sD > >ldK13nrYdkYVTr4Wa0+WpQaEewv0gA/9nQcjTntKikVcvDwYMn/OwBvukzSb12e3 > >yTvpy6Yx41EL4+D8bpI373/1MvLnbLAKssEYSNTKT2o/1gtBqVF40zXya+lnPb+m > >s8TOOxWbS4EktrLIbwpD+xzpb2O91TfPQO1/xLA+12g/SMIvW4OB6ghAiPP8WHsA > >ETZwBwZ9kcmQeB1LQ0LjigjBzQZOM7Iid8oWZMjlrXMBjAbKHafXSDFwD1iK+O9S > >X0nUgI+ECtMr5Ya7k72i > >=smID > >-END PGP SIGNATURE- > >___ > >Computer-go mailing list > >Computer-go@computer-go.org > >http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- > Hideki Kato <mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of today's KGS 9x9 bot tournament with 20 wins from 20 games! My report (which says nothing about the games) is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/123/index.html As usual, I will value your comments and corrections. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: 9x9
Reminder - it's tomorrow. Nick On 9 June 2016 at 21:19, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The June KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, June 19th, at 08:00 UTC > and end by 14:40 UTC. It will use 9x9 boards, with time limits of 9 > minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. See > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1044 > > It will be a Swiss tournament, as usual. My investigation of the McMahon > format, as implemented on KGS, found no advantage over Swiss, and some > disadvantages. > > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" > in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: 9x9
Is this Iomrascálaí? What is its KGS account name? Nick On 18 June 2016 at 11:10, Urban Hafner <cont...@urbanhafner.com> wrote: > I'll participate with my rather weak bot in the open division tomorrow. I > encourage other developers to participate as well. It's great fun > especially when there are many participants. > > Urban > > Am 10.06.2016 um 14:11 schrieb Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: > > Hi Ingo, > > Thank you for pointing this out. The links you have given are indeed the > correct ones. > > Cheers, > Nick > > On 10 June 2016 at 11:37, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > >> Hi Nick, >> you gave an invalid link. The links are >> >> Formal division: >> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1045 >> >> Open division: >> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1046 >> >> Cheers, Ingo. >> >> >> ** >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. Juni 2016 um 22:19 Uhr >> Von: "Nick Wedd" <mapr...@gmail.com> >> An: computer-go@computer-go.org >> Betreff: [Computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: 9x9 >> >> The June KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, June 19th, at 08:00 UTC >> and end by 14:40 UTC. It will use 9x9 boards, with time limits of 9 >> minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. See >> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1044 >> >> It will be a Swiss tournament, as usual. My investigation of the McMahon >> format, as implemented on KGS, found no advantage over Swiss, and some >> disadvantages. >> >> Please register by emailing me, with the words >> "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com[ >> mapr...@gmail.com] . >> >> Nick-- >> Nick Wedd >> mapr...@gmail.com[mapr...@gmail.com]___ >> Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go[http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go] >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: 9x9
Hi Ingo, Thank you for pointing this out. The links you have given are indeed the correct ones. Cheers, Nick On 10 June 2016 at 11:37, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Nick, > you gave an invalid link. The links are > > Formal division: > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1045 > > Open division: > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1046 > > Cheers, Ingo. > > > ** > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. Juni 2016 um 22:19 Uhr > Von: "Nick Wedd" <mapr...@gmail.com> > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: 9x9 > > The June KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, June 19th, at 08:00 UTC > and end by 14:40 UTC. It will use 9x9 boards, with time limits of 9 > minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. See > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1044 > > It will be a Swiss tournament, as usual. My investigation of the McMahon > format, as implemented on KGS, found no advantage over Swiss, and some > disadvantages. > > Please register by emailing me, with the words > "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com[ > mapr...@gmail.com] . > > Nick-- > Nick Wedd > mapr...@gmail.com[mapr...@gmail.com]___ > Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go[http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go] > _______ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: 9x9
I'd forgotten about the plan to have two divisions. Thank you for reminding me. Yes, there will be two divisions, as specified at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/rules.html . I must edit that page to remove the mention of "McMahon". But there will be two divisions. Nick On 9 June 2016 at 21:24, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira <go...@sapo.pt> wrote: > Hi there, thanks for your tireless work as usual. > > Also, do you mean that the formal division will use Swiss, or that we > are back to just a single division? > > Gonçalo > > On 09/06/2016 21:19, Nick Wedd wrote: > > The June KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, June 19th, at 08:00 UTC > > and end by 14:40 UTC. It will use 9x9 boards, with time limits of 9 > > minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. See > > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1044 > > > > It will be a Swiss tournament, as usual. My investigation of the McMahon > > format, as implemented on KGS, found no advantage over Swiss, and some > > disadvantages. > > > > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament > Registration" > > in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > ___ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: 9x9
The June KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, June 19th, at 08:00 UTC and end by 14:40 UTC. It will use 9x9 boards, with time limits of 9 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1044 It will be a Swiss tournament, as usual. My investigation of the McMahon format, as implemented on KGS, found no advantage over Swiss, and some disadvantages. Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS
I have had second thoughts about this. People have encouraged me to use McMahon instead of Swiss for the KGS bot tournaments. But they may, like me, not have realised what they were asking for - that they would be getting an American McMahon, not a European one. Also, iniitial rating plays a larger part in deciding the result in an American McMahon than in a European one. KGS ratings are based entirely on 19x19 games. I don't think we want the results of small-board tournaments to be influenced by strength at 19x19 Go. Nick On 18 May 2016 at 21:23, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have now realised that it was a language problem. "McMahon tournament" > means different things in Europe and America. I knew only the European > meaning, and KGS implements the American version. > > I assume that those who wrote here encouraging me to I hold the monthly > KGS bot tournaments in McMahon format were referring to the American > version; and that is what I can use. I hope they can advise me on sensible > settings for "Handicap", "Low bar", and "High bar". > > Nick > > On 18 May 2016 at 17:38, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 18 May 2016 at 17:31, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> AFter watching that it was a 13x13 tournament I would say that the more >>> probable is that KGS don't know how to handle handicap tournament with >>> small board >>> >> >> That's a possibility. So I should run a test 19x19 tournament. I still >> need a volunteer Ranked Robot to test the format. >> >> Nick >> >> >>> >>> 2016-05-18 18:30 GMT+02:00 Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html >>>> McMahon avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss with handicap >>>> tournament >>>> >>>> 2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS >>>>> bot tournaments with a McMahon division. >>>>> >>>>> I now think that this probably won't work. I have run a test McMahon >>>>> tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results. This >>>>> *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating >>>>> (one had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it. Even if all the >>>>> players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where >>>>> I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final >>>>> rounds. >>>>> >>>>> You can see the results at >>>>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040 >>>>> >>>>> I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, >>>>> if someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test. It should >>>>> be able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing >>>>> to >>>>> play 9x9 Go. All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament >>>>> mode, and email me with its name. I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to >>>>> restore its confirmed rating. >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>> -- >>>>> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> Computer-go mailing list >>>>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >>>>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Computer-go mailing list >>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS
I have now realised that it was a language problem. "McMahon tournament" means different things in Europe and America. I knew only the European meaning, and KGS implements the American version. I assume that those who wrote here encouraging me to I hold the monthly KGS bot tournaments in McMahon format were referring to the American version; and that is what I can use. I hope they can advise me on sensible settings for "Handicap", "Low bar", and "High bar". Nick On 18 May 2016 at 17:38, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 18 May 2016 at 17:31, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> AFter watching that it was a 13x13 tournament I would say that the more >> probable is that KGS don't know how to handle handicap tournament with >> small board >> > > That's a possibility. So I should run a test 19x19 tournament. I still > need a volunteer Ranked Robot to test the format. > > Nick > > >> >> 2016-05-18 18:30 GMT+02:00 Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com>: >> >>> According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html >>> McMahon avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss with handicap >>> tournament >>> >>> 2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS >>>> bot tournaments with a McMahon division. >>>> >>>> I now think that this probably won't work. I have run a test McMahon >>>> tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results. This >>>> *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating >>>> (one had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it. Even if all the >>>> players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where >>>> I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final >>>> rounds. >>>> >>>> You can see the results at >>>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040 >>>> >>>> I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, if >>>> someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test. It should be >>>> able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing to >>>> play 9x9 Go. All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament >>>> mode, and email me with its name. I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to >>>> restore its confirmed rating. >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> -- >>>> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Computer-go mailing list >>>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >>>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>>> >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS
On 18 May 2016 at 17:31, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> wrote: > AFter watching that it was a 13x13 tournament I would say that the more > probable is that KGS don't know how to handle handicap tournament with > small board > That's a possibility. So I should run a test 19x19 tournament. I still need a volunteer Ranked Robot to test the format. Nick > > 2016-05-18 18:30 GMT+02:00 Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com>: > >> According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html McMahon >> avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss with handicap tournament >> >> 2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: >> >>> I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS >>> bot tournaments with a McMahon division. >>> >>> I now think that this probably won't work. I have run a test McMahon >>> tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results. This >>> *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating >>> (one had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it. Even if all the >>> players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where >>> I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final >>> rounds. >>> >>> You can see the results at >>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040 >>> >>> I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, if >>> someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test. It should be >>> able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing to >>> play 9x9 Go. All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament >>> mode, and email me with its name. I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to >>> restore its confirmed rating. >>> >>> Nick >>> -- >>> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Computer-go mailing list >>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >>> >> >> > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] McMahon tournaments on KGS
I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS bot tournaments with a McMahon division. I now think that this probably won't work. I have run a test McMahon tournament. No handicaps were assigned, or reported in the results. This *may* have been because none of the entrants had a confirmed rating (one had a ? rating, four were unrated), but I doubt it. Even if all the players were treated as having the same initial rating (probably 8k, where I had set the lower bar), handicaps should have been used by the final rounds. You can see the results at http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=n=1040 I will be willing to run another test tournament, today or tomorrow, if someone can provide a "Ranked Robot" to help with the test. It should be able to beat gnugo3pt8 consistently, and should preferably be willing to play 9x9 Go. All you need to do is leave it running on KGS in tournament mode, and email me with its name. I have left gnugo3pt8 running, to restore its confirmed rating. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments: structure
LeelaBot now has "Ranked Robot" status. It will still need to play some rated games to achieve a rank. I propose to run the June KGS bot tournament (9x9) in two divisions. One division will be McMahon, with entry restricted to programs that have "Ranked Robot" status *and* are able to beat GNU Go; the other division will be Swiss, without either restriction. If there are fewer than four entrants to either division, I shall merge them into one, Swiss, tournament. If anyone objects to any of this, please let me know soon, before I rewrite http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/rules.html Nick On 10 May 2016 at 17:07, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote: > Gian-Carlo Pascutto: <5731dc19.2020...@sjeng.org>: > >On 10-05-16 11:23, Hideki Kato wrote: > > > >> CGOS is better place for those lower programs, isn't it? > > > >Not really, the pool of opponents is smaller and contains no humans. It > >sort of depends on what the goal of the author is. Even if she's only > >interested in measuring vs other computer opponents, a KGS tournament > >*may* offer a bigger pool because there's more incentive to connect at a > >given time. > > The number of games is the most important point to get correct > ratings. It takes several weeks or more on KGS to have enough > (at least several handreds) games. Also, there are several > hardles to get ranked on KGS. Programs have to be stable and no > serious bugs, for examples. > > >> I'm not against creating lower division, just wonder if it's really > >> necessary. Recently it's easier to implement "large patterns" which > >> is necessary to beat GNU Go on 19x19 using DCNN than Remi's B-T model > >> and so most programs could quickly reach GNU Go level. > > > >I think it's up to the author to decide which approach he or she wants > >to pursue. It's not because everyone is making hand-crafted pattern > >databases with elaborate rules for local tactical search, that you can't > >try just playing out games randomly, for example, even if that approach > >seems weak right now. Maybe it turns out to scale better in the long run. > > > >> If this is correct, creating two divisions might be a bad idea. > > > >Not necessarily disagreeing there. > > > >-- > >GCP > >___ > >Computer-go mailing list > >Computer-go@computer-go.org > >http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- > Hideki Kato <mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
You understand correctly. I think that between us, would could reach agreement on what rankings to use for seeding. But no-one has the power to input seeds anyway. On 10 May 2016 at 14:09, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <g...@sjeng.org> wrote: > On 10-05-16 00:14, Erik van der Werf wrote: > > Oh that's silly! IIRC if your bot is not ranked than users can do all > > kind of cheating in the scoring phase (e.g., mark all your living stones > > dead). > > I've not observed this behavior so far. Perhaps because in an unranked > game there's no rating to lose anyway. > > I suspect that for estimating a good enough rating to seed a tournament > it would work fine. But I understand from Nick's post that it doesn't > matter because he can't "input" the ratings into the McMahon pairing > software. > > -- > GCP > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Rated Bot status on KGS
On 10 May 2016 at 13:39, Adrian Petrescu <apetr...@gmail.com> wrote: > If KGS is indeed still doing that thing where your rating change is > anchored to your opponents' ratings changes long after your game has > finished, then it seems to me the right solution is for wms to simply > disable that anchoring for accounts that are bots. > > Whatever usefulness that setting has (which is dubious to me even in the > normal case), surely it doesn't carry over to a situation where the > "player" being anchored to can be very, very different from the player that > won/lost the original game causing the anchoring. > Whatever anyone thinks about the KGS rating algorithm, it isn't going to change any time soon. If wms ever finds time to work on KGS, he has much higher priorities. Nick On May 10, 2016 7:12 AM, "Nick Wedd" <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This message is mainly to explain the reasoning behind KGS's rules on >> granting rated-bot status. >> >> The rating system assumes that each player's strength is fairly stable. >> To give an example of the sort of thing that might upset the rating system: >> >> In the recent bot tournament, LeelaBot lost a game by trying to make an >> illegal move in its opponent's one-point eye. That is not a problem in >> itself. Suppose it plays rated games on KGS (as it would have to, to >> acquire a rating) and some humans users find a way to take advantage of >> this bug, and use it to boost their own ratings. Their ratings will rise, >> as will the ratings of other users who have played them. That is >> unfortunate. Now suppose Gian-Carlo fixes the bug, and LeelaBot continues >> playing. Its rating will now rise, as will the ratings of those who learned >> to profit from the bug, *and* of those others who have played them, >> etc.. This is what the admins really want to avoid. >> >> I believe that if a significant improvement in a rated bot is made, its >> account should be abandoned, and a new one created. I will advise the KGS >> superadmin accordingly. >> >> (In fact, I do not know why LeelaBot's application for Rated bot status >> has produced no response. I am trying to find out. I hope Gian-Carlo >> Pascutto can fix the bug, and if he can, he should do so *before* it >> starts to play rated games.) >> >> Nick >> -- >> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Rated Bot status on KGS
This message is mainly to explain the reasoning behind KGS's rules on granting rated-bot status. The rating system assumes that each player's strength is fairly stable. To give an example of the sort of thing that might upset the rating system: In the recent bot tournament, LeelaBot lost a game by trying to make an illegal move in its opponent's one-point eye. That is not a problem in itself. Suppose it plays rated games on KGS (as it would have to, to acquire a rating) and some humans users find a way to take advantage of this bug, and use it to boost their own ratings. Their ratings will rise, as will the ratings of other users who have played them. That is unfortunate. Now suppose Gian-Carlo fixes the bug, and LeelaBot continues playing. Its rating will now rise, as will the ratings of those who learned to profit from the bug, *and* of those others who have played them, etc.. This is what the admins really want to avoid. I believe that if a significant improvement in a rated bot is made, its account should be abandoned, and a new one created. I will advise the KGS superadmin accordingly. (In fact, I do not know why LeelaBot's application for Rated bot status has produced no response. I am trying to find out. I hope Gian-Carlo Pascutto can fix the bug, and if he can, he should do so *before* it starts to play rated games.) Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
More apologies. That should be "Zen19X". Nick On 10 May 2016 at 08:26, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks to those who have pointed out various errors in my reported. I have > now corrected it. > > I apologise for mis-spelling "Zen10X" in the first line of the message at > the top of this thread. > > Nick > > > On 9 May 2016 at 14:33, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Congratulations to Xen19X, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament, with >> 12 wins from 12 games! >> >> My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/122/index.html >> As always, I will welcome your comments and corrections. >> >> Nick >> -- >> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
On 10 May 2016 at 07:57, Urban Hafner <cont...@urbanhafner.com> wrote: > My impression was that you can only get the status of a ranked bot if it’s > somehow “stable”. So that would mean that I would have to have a new > account for each new version of the bot, wouldn’t it? Especially with early > stage bots like mine the jumps in strength can be quite large. But on the > other hand, it would be nice to have an idea how strong it is on KGS. :) > You are right. It ought to be possible to tell the KGS authorities "this is an experimental bot account. I would like it to be rated. I promise not to rebuild the bot, if I ever make changes I will abandon the account." But, as we are seeing, the process of getting Rated bot status can be slow, and I am reluctant to overload it. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Thanks to those who have pointed out various errors in my reported. I have now corrected it. I apologise for mis-spelling "Zen10X" in the first line of the message at the top of this thread. Nick On 9 May 2016 at 14:33, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations to Xen19X, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament, with > 12 wins from 12 games! > > My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/122/index.html > As always, I will welcome your comments and corrections. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] McMahon bot touraments on KGS
I have never run a KGS McMahon tournament. Everyone McMahon tournament I have run, played in, or been aware of has had more players than rounds, and most KGS bot tournaments have more rounds than players. So I would like to run an experimental McMahon tournament on KGS, to see what the scheduler does. I will also find out how it handles unrated entrants. I am looking for volunteers to provide players for a test tournament. I can provide several instances of GNU Go, one of them rated. I would like other volunteers, particularly of rated bots. I expect to use fast time limits, and whatever board size suits the entrants. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments: structure
At present, KGS bot tournaments are run as Swiss tournaments. Entry is restricted to bots able to beat GNU Go, which is rated at 7k. Two suggestions have been made recently for changes in the structure. One is to allow bots of any strength to enter, and to have two divisions, with those unable to beat GNU Go in the lower division. The other is to use McMahon instead of Swiss. A problem with McMahon is that the scheduling software (a module of the KGS server, which I have no control over) uses the ratings assigned by KGS, and many bots do not have such ratings. I don't think it's reasonable to require all entrants to have rated bot status. Rated bot status is granted only to *stable* bots, ones which do not change rapidly in strength and thereby upset the ratings of their opponents. I think it's fine for someone to enter an experimental bot of unknown strength in a tournament, but such a bot cannot have a KGS rating. Maybe we could combine the two suggestions. Have two divisions: upper division McMahon, with entrants required to have KGS ratings of 7k or better; lower division open. I would like to hear people's views on this - and any more suggestions they have. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
We are waiting for the superadmin to set LeelaBot's status to Rated. She has not been active recently, maybe she is on vacation. Nick On 9 May 2016 at 23:14, Erik van der Werf <erikvanderw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh that's silly! IIRC if your bot is not ranked than users can do all kind > of cheating in the scoring phase (e.g., mark all your living stones dead). > > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:07 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <g...@sjeng.org> > wrote: > >> On 10/05/2016 0:01, Erik van der Werf wrote: >> > Well then why not make that a criterion for entering the tournament? For >> > any half-decent bot it shouldn't be hard to get a rating. >> >> FWIW I requested ranked status for LeelaBot 3 weeks ago and this was not >> granted. >> >> Technically I'm not sure if this is needed as the rating can just be >> calculated from the unranked games. I've been tempted to write a script >> to do exactly this. >> >> -- >> GCP >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > _______ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
A problem with McMahon is that the bots would all need KGS ratings. I can't assign ratings myself, the scheduler uses the ratings assigned by KGS. In the five tournaments held so far this year, there are sixteen bots that have competed at least once: eight have been rated, eight not. Nick On 9 May 2016 at 22:16, Erik van der Werf <erikvanderw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why not McMahon? (possibly with reduced handicap). It works fine in human > Go tournaments. > > IMO KGS Swiss is pretty boring for most of the time, and the scheduler > often seems to have a lot of undesired influence on the final ranking. Also > at this point I'm really not that interested any more to see some top > engine win yet another bot tournament without serious competition; I'd be > more interested to see how many stones they could give to the rest. > Wouldn't it be fun to see how many stones AlphaGo could give to CS? > > E. > > > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:29 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> > wrote: > >> Hi Gian-Carlo, >> >> I have thought carefully about your question on >> determinning handicaps properly. >> It seems you are very right with your doubts >> >> > The first obvious question is then: how will you determine the >> handicaps? >> >> A naive approach would be to take the KGS ranks of the bots. >> But even for those who really have this may be a problem. Namely, >> the program may use other/stronger hardware in the tournament, >> or may have made a jump in performance without playing openly >> on KGS. >> >> > As to the "large gaps in strength": the actual rating of Zen is >> > 1 stone above abakus, which is 1 stone above HiraBot. That seems >> > to conflict with your classification. >> >> Yes, but only according to KGS ranks. My impression yesterday was >> that Zen has made another jump in performance and is now more >> an 8-dan than a 7-dan. But this is indeed only a personal opinion >> and can not be taken for "serious" handicapping. >> >> Concerning abakus and Hirabot, it is indeed my opinion that they >> are at most 1 stone apart of each other. >> >> In total: my handicap idea seems not to be practicable. >> >> Ingo. >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Xen19X, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament, with 12 wins from 12 games! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/122/index.html As always, I will welcome your comments and corrections. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament
Cancel that - it's the day after tomorrow, Sunday, as usual. Nick On 6 May 2016 at 16:49, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Reminder - it's tomorrow. > > Nick > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> > Date: 2 May 2016 at 17:51 > Subject: May KGS bot tournament > To: computer-go@computer-go.org > > > The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC, > and finish by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of > 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See > http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030 > > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" > in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > > > > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Fwd: May KGS bot tournament
Reminder - it's tomorrow. Nick -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> Date: 2 May 2016 at 17:51 Subject: May KGS bot tournament To: computer-go@computer-go.org The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC, and finish by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030 Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament
I would happily run more than one division (which the KGS scheduler will regard as separate events). Is there enough interest to justify a second division? Nick On 4 May 2016 at 15:46, Urban Hafner <cont...@urbanhafner.com> wrote: > There used to be many more entrants in the past IIRC. And we never split > into several tournaments or leagues. But I also feel we should wait for > Nick to chime in. I think we had this exact same discussion a while ago but > I can’t remember the outcome. ;) > > Urban > > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira <go...@sapo.pt> > wrote: > >> Has the number of programs risen that much? >> >> I'd prefer not adding self-declared ranking limitations, though as a >> spectator handicap matches are interesting. >> >> Anyways, Urban, I can enter my program too if you want, it is well >> bellow GNU Go in 19x19. >> >> Gonçalo >> >> On 04/05/2016 15:27, Erik van der Werf wrote: >> > Or switch to McMahon / Handicaps >> > >> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Scheib < >> stackpointe...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a >> first, >> >> second and so... categories. >> >> >> >> 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty <jim.oflaherty...@gmail.com >> >: >> >> >> >>> Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps >> there >> >>> could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring >> >>> computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots >> earn >> >>> the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry >> >>> requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice >> >>> filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker >> bots) >> >>> rises. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner <cont...@urbanhafner.com >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot >> weaker >> >>>> than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of >> course >> >>>> other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is >> interested in >> >>>> this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from >> >>>> entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo. >> >>>> >> >>>> Urban >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 >> UTC, >> >>>>> and finish by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits >> >>>>> of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of >> 7.5. >> >>>>> See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament >> Registration" >> >>>>> in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Nick >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ___ >> >>>>> Computer-go mailing list >> >>>>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> >>>>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Blog: http://bettong.net/ >> >>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh >> >>>> Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ >> >>>> >> >>>> ___ >> >>>> Computer-go mailing list >> >>>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> >>>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> Computer-go mailing list >> >>> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> >>> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dracux >> >> *http://www.dracux.com <http://www.dracux.com>* >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Computer-go mailing list >> >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Computer-go mailing list >> > Computer-go@computer-go.org >> > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > > -- > Blog: http://bettong.net/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh > Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament
Here's a suggestion. I would like to hear what Urban, and others, think about it. I enter GnuGo in these events to keep the numbers even. The operators of strong bots don't want to waste processor cycles proving that they can beat GnuGo, but they prefer it to a bye. Instead of my using GnuGo to make the numbers even, I could use Urban's program. The downside for Urban is that he would have to get it connected and running, with only a 50% chance that it will actually get any games. The upside for him is that it will sometimes get experience against much stronger players. I assume that the operators of the strong programs don't care whether they get to play against GnuGo or Urban's program. By the way - I haven't yet received any entries for this Sunday's tournament. I hope my message reached the list. Nick On 4 May 2016 at 10:01, Urban Hafner <cont...@urbanhafner.com> wrote: > I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker > than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course > other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in > this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from > entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo. > > Urban > > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC, >> and finish by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of >> 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See >> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030 >> >> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" >> in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . >> >> Nick >> -- >> Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > > -- > Blog: http://bettong.net/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh > Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament
The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC, and finish by 22:00 UTC. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030 Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of the April 13x13 KGS bot tournament with nine wins from ten games! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/121/index.html As usual I will welcome your comments. But I am much too weak a player to have anything useful to say about the games. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament: 13x13
Reminder - it's tomorrow. On 26 March 2016 at 13:51, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The April KGS slow bot tournament will start on Sunday,April 10th, at 08:00 > UTC and end by 14:40 UTC. It will use 13x13 boards, with time limits of > 19 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See > http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1021 > > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" > in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . > > Note that the March (Slow) KGS bot tournament has not yet started, it will > start at 22:00 UTC on Sunday 27th. If you register for either event, > please make it clear in your registration email which event your are > registering for. The March KGS bot tournament is unusually late this year, > because there have been other computer-Go events through much of March. I > have opened registration for the April KGS bot tournament earlier than > usual, because I will be away from home, with uncertain internet access, > for some of the next two weeks. > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Ok, I have deleted the cheesy comment. (What I meant was that some of the people posting to the list that you gave a link to have failed to understand it.) On 7 April 2016 at 20:15, David Ongaro <david.ong...@hamburg.de> wrote: > Thanks, but what do you mean by that cheesy comment "Human players can > find this hard to understand"? If you want to make a meaningful comment you > could say that Fuego didn't understand the situation by playing h8 instead > of g9. > > > > On 07 Apr 2016, at 11:31, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi David, > > > > Thank you for telling me about this. I have added a link to the article. > > > > Best, > > Nick > > > > > > On 4 April 2016 at 16:53, David Ongaro <david.ong...@hamburg.de> wrote: > > Sorry for being late to the "game" (but you never specified a deadline > till when you accept corrections). From: > http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/41/index.html > > > > > Also in round 6, AyaMC played the move shown to the left, against > Fuego9. SGF. When I saw this move, I thought "this is hopeless for White, > his left group only has two liberties". But Black can never quite put the > two-liberty group in atari, and the marked move ensures that he never will > be able to. What is particularly impressive is that White knows this, and > has been working towards it for several moves, ignoring a ko threat at a9 > and sacrificing stones at b1 and d1. > > > > > > I showed already 2008 in a german Go forum that your intuition was right > and the position was indeed hopeless for white: > http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?topic=3314.msg153307#msg153307 > > > > > > > On 04 Apr 2016, at 06:33, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for noticing this. I will correct it when I am back at home > and can use a real computer. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2016 2:09 PM, "Seo Sanghyeon" <sanx...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2016-03-31 0:17 GMT+09:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: > > > > My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S16.1/index.html > > > > As usual, I look forward to hearing your comments and criticisms; > though I > > > > may not respond for a while, I am about to leave for a week's > holiday. > > > > > > "In round 6, after 87 moves, Zen19S and JulieBot reached the position > shown > > > to the right (JulieBot is Black)." > > > > > > It seems that Zen19S should be ManyFaces1 instead. > > > > > > -- > > > Seo Sanghyeon > > > ___ > > > Computer-go mailing list > > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > ___ > > > Computer-go mailing list > > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > _______ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > > > > > -- > > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > > ___ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Hi David, Thank you for telling me about this. I have added a link to the article. Best, Nick On 4 April 2016 at 16:53, David Ongaro <david.ong...@hamburg.de> wrote: > Sorry for being late to the "game" (but you never specified a deadline > till when you accept corrections). From: > http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/41/index.html > > > Also in round 6, AyaMC played the move shown to the left, against > Fuego9. SGF. When I saw this move, I thought "this is hopeless for White, > his left group only has two liberties". But Black can never quite put the > two-liberty group in atari, and the marked move ensures that he never will > be able to. What is particularly impressive is that White knows this, and > has been working towards it for several moves, ignoring a ko threat at a9 > and sacrificing stones at b1 and d1. > > > I showed already 2008 in a german Go forum that your intuition was right > and the position was indeed hopeless for white: > http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?topic=3314.msg153307#msg153307 > > > > On 04 Apr 2016, at 06:33, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thank you for noticing this. I will correct it when I am back at home > and can use a real computer. > > > > Nick > > > > On Apr 4, 2016 2:09 PM, "Seo Sanghyeon" <sanx...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2016-03-31 0:17 GMT+09:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: > > > My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S16.1/index.html > > > As usual, I look forward to hearing your comments and criticisms; > though I > > > may not respond for a while, I am about to leave for a week's holiday. > > > > "In round 6, after 87 moves, Zen19S and JulieBot reached the position > shown > > to the right (JulieBot is Black)." > > > > It seems that Zen19S should be ManyFaces1 instead. > > > > -- > > Seo Sanghyeon > > ___ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > ___ > > Computer-go mailing list > > Computer-go@computer-go.org > > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Thank you for noticing this. I will correct it when I am back at home and can use a real computer. Nick On Apr 4, 2016 2:09 PM, "Seo Sanghyeon" <sanx...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2016-03-31 0:17 GMT+09:00 Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com>: > > My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S16.1/index.html > > As usual, I look forward to hearing your comments and criticisms; though > I > > may not respond for a while, I am about to leave for a week's holiday. > > "In round 6, after 87 moves, Zen19S and JulieBot reached the position shown > to the right (JulieBot is Black)." > > It seems that Zen19S should be ManyFaces1 instead. > > -- > Seo Sanghyeon > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Congratulations to Zen19X, undefeated winner of the Spring Slow KGS bot tournament! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S16.1/index.html As usual, I look forward to hearing your comments and criticisms; though I may not respond for a while, I am about to leave for a week's holiday. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] March KGS bot tournament - slow
Reminder - it starts in about ten hours. Nick On 17 March 2016 at 12:57, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > The March KGS slow bot tournament will start on Sunday, March 27th, at 22:00 > UTC and end by 14:00 UTC on Wednesday 30th. It will use 19x19 boards, > with time limits of 235 minutes (almost four hours) each plus fast Canadian > overtime, and komi of 7.5. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1020 > > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" > in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament: 13x13
The April KGS slow bot tournament will start on Sunday,April 10th, at 08:00 UTC and end by 14:40 UTC. It will use 13x13 boards, with time limits of 19 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1021 Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . Note that the March (Slow) KGS bot tournament has not yet started, it will start at 22:00 UTC on Sunday 27th. If you register for either event, please make it clear in your registration email which event your are registering for. The March KGS bot tournament is unusually late this year, because there have been other computer-Go events through much of March. I have opened registration for the April KGS bot tournament earlier than usual, because I will be away from home, with uncertain internet access, for some of the next two weeks. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo (Statistical significance of results)
On 22 March 2016 at 21:43, Darren Cook <dar...@dcook.org> wrote: < snip > > > C'mon DeepMind, put that same version on KGS, set to only play 9p > players, with the same time controls, and let's get 40 games to give it > a proper ranking. (If 5 games against Lee Sedol are useful, 40 games > against a range of players with little to lose, who are systematically > trying to find its weaknesses, are going to be amazing.) I don't think DeepMind's real objective was to create a world Go champion. I think it was to build an engine that could learn to perform difficult intellectual tasks better than any human; and they chose Go for their first test because there was a clear objective measure of success. If I am right, we won't see much more of their "Go engine", instead they will direct their resources to training their general-purpose engine to do other more useful things. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] UEC cup 1st day result
On 19 March 2016 at 14:40, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hello Hiroshi, > > thanks for the information. > > WHo are the peolbe behind CGI Go? > > According to http://computer-go.info/db/oprog.php?a=CGI : Written by: Wu, I-Chen & Wu, Ti-Rong & Chen, Guan-Wen & Shih, Chung-Chin & Yeh, Kun-Hao "CGI" stands for "CGI Go Intelligence", where CGI is the name of the laboratory of the team of developers. It appeared in 2015, and is derived from Amigo. Its web site: http://aigames.nctu.edu.tw/~icwu/CGI.html Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] March KGS bot tournament - slow
The March KGS slow bot tournament will start on Sunday, March 27th, at 22:00 UTC and end by 14:00 UTC on Wednesday 30th. It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 235 minutes (almost four hours) each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1020 Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com . Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!
Indeed. And the name is similar to 'WeakBot50k', a deliberately weak program. The 'WeakBot' account is used by HiraBot. Nick. On Feb 22, 2016 1:29 PM, "Aja Huang" <ajahu...@google.com> wrote: > WeakBot's author might want to rename the program? It's not weak at all. :) > > Aja > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of the February KGS tournament! >> >> My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/120/index.html >> <http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/119/index.html> . >> As usual, I will welcome your comments and corrections. >> >> Nick >> -- >> Nick Wedd >> mapr...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
