[CGUYS] First time computer buyer
The brother of a good friend of mine wants to purchase his very first computer. This fellow just had his 48th birthday. I was asked to look into the question of what he should get, primarily just for e-mail, but who knows what he will eventually want to use it for over time. Being a Mac user, I was thinking Macintosh for various reasons based upon my own personal experiences and knowledge. However, he is insisting on a Windows machine, and I have now backed out of trying to help him make a purchase because I have little knowledge of what would be best for him on that platform. His sole reason for having to have a Windows machine is because, as he says, everyone else has one. What he really means is that he doesn't know anyone who uses anything else, except for me and my good friend, and he wants to be a part of the really big flock. His scope is limited. He does not need this computer for anything related to his work. I have said it before here, and once again it has happened. A computer purchase is being predicated upon the erroneous and paranoid concept that everyone else has one. Queried about this, he says that he fears not being able to get any help when he needs it if he gets anything but a Windows computer. and from what he hears and understands from others, he says he'll probably be needing a lot of that. This is a typical rationale I hear all the time. Additionally, he only wants to spend about $400 or so for everything, including the printer. He knows nothing of computer pricing, so this is not an issue of wanting a Windows machine simply because they are known to be initially cheap. This is no attempt to fan any flames, but merely a little peek into what I have always perceived to be a major selling point for a particular computer platform. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
In January, I got a very nice Compaq Presario for my wife for less than $400 with a dual core Athlon processor and 3GB of RAM. It is my impression that is about the best deal you can get. This was for the CPU only, no monitor, printer, or other peripheral. If this guy refuses to spend more than $400, I predict he'll end up with something he'll not be satisfied with. If Apple offers a package that includes a printer for $400 or less (I believe all Apple computers come with monitors), then he should go with Apple, as I understand their customers are always happy with their purchase. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:29 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: The brother of a good friend of mine wants to purchase his very first computer. This fellow just had his 48th birthday. I was asked to look into the question of what he should get, primarily just for e-mail, but who knows what he will eventually want to use it for over time. Being a Mac user, I was thinking Macintosh for various reasons based upon my own personal experiences and knowledge. snip Additionally, he only wants to spend about $400 or so for everything, including the printer. He knows nothing of computer pricing, so this is not an issue of wanting a Windows machine simply because they are known to be initially cheap. snip Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Faced with a similar situation several years ago, I told the person who had asked for help to find someone more up on Windows than I was at the time. I explained that my expertise was not centered there, I'd feel bad if they were disappointed, and would not be their best choice for any follow-on help after the purchase. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The brother of a good friend of mine wants to purchase his very first computer. This fellow just had his 48th birthday. I was asked to look into the question of what he should get, primarily just for e-mail, but who knows what he will eventually want to use it for over time. Being a Mac user, I was thinking Macintosh for various reasons based upon my own personal experiences and knowledge. However, he is insisting on a Windows machine, and I have now backed out of trying to help him make a purchase because I have little knowledge of what would be best for him on that platform. His sole reason for having to have a Windows machine is because, as he says, everyone else has one. What he really means is that he doesn't know anyone who uses anything else, except for me and my good friend, and he wants to be a part of the really big flock. His scope is limited. He does not need this computer for anything related to his work. I have said it before here, and once again it has happened. A computer purchase is being predicated upon the erroneous and paranoid concept that everyone else has one. Queried about this, he says that he fears not being able to get any help when he needs it if he gets anything but a Windows computer. and from what he hears and understands from others, he says he'll probably be needing a lot of that. This is a typical rationale I hear all the time. Additionally, he only wants to spend about $400 or so for everything, including the printer. He knows nothing of computer pricing, so this is not an issue of wanting a Windows machine simply because they are known to be initially cheap. This is no attempt to fan any flames, but merely a little peek into what I have always perceived to be a major selling point for a particular computer platform. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Additionally, he only wants to spend about $400 or so for everything, including the printer. He knows nothing of computer pricing, so this is not an issue of wanting a Windows machine simply because they are known to be initially cheap. I submit that this is exactly what the issue is and he is being polite. I doubt the man is a complete idiot and has done some research as to what things cost. All you have to do is walk through a Best Buy to get the picture. FWIW, my experience is polar opposite of yours. I recommend Dell to those who ask and often I'm asked about Macs. I tell them to use what they're comfortable with; a computer is a tool, not a fashion statement or position on culture. Not once have I been told, I want to use what everyone else uses, which makes me wonder how much of your story is reality-based. Are you sure you just aren't parsing it through your iFilter? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
I'm going to repeat myself. If he isn't willing to spend a bit more, he'll end up with an underpowered computer he won't be happy with. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Additionally, he only wants to spend about $400 or so for everything, including the printer. He knows nothing of computer pricing, so this is not an issue of wanting a Windows machine simply because they are known to be initially cheap. I submit that this is exactly what the issue is and he is being polite. I doubt the man is a complete idiot and has done some research as to what things cost. All you have to do is walk through a Best Buy to get the picture. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mail from MacBook through Mac mini Problem
At home, I connect my MacBook to the internet through Mac mini internet sharing with no problem except: I cannot connect email (Mail or Thunderbird). It is apparently blocked by the firewall on the mini for if I shut down the firewall, the connection works fine. There must be an adjustment I can make in the firewall settings to allow email through, but what is it (or is there something else)? Both machines run Mac OS10.4.11 Tiger. FWIW: On a recent visit with my daughter, I successfully connected to and through her Windows et al home wireless system with no changes in MacBook settings. When you say you cannot connect email, what exactly do you mean? You can't send? You can't download? Both--Mail, Thunderbird, et al, will not connect to server. Browser works fine. Is your shared Internet connection via a wireless connection from your MacBook to the Mini? Yes. Is your home Internet connection through a router? No. Mini connects via cable modem; MacBook to mini via Airport. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
I've heard it. Compatibility with others, along with fear of the unknown, are concerns that people have. No flames, please: I've used and suggested both PCs and Macs. For this first-time buyer, I concur with John and Mark. -Andy Jeff Wright wrote: /snip/ Not once have I been told, I want to use what everyone else uses, ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
CompUSA has a complete HP Compaq 6735s notebook for $329. http://tinyurl.com/ctcrvw No need to go into lengthy explanations about email; just hook him to Yahoo or gmail. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mail from MacBook through Mac mini Problem
The way to sort this out is to simplify to the max, test, and fix. Then only when successful add the next complication and test/fix that. Step 1 is to connect your MacBook using a network cable to whereever your MacMini is plugged in the the Internet. Test for general internet access. Once you have that, test the email. The acid test is sending an email to yourself. If that arrives you can move on to something more complicated. Getting email working can be tricky because there are multiple settings that you have to get exactly right. Some ISPs use non-standard ports to avoid spammers. There are different schemes used for authentication. I just spent 2 hours on the phone helping a client only to discover that they were using the wrong password. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mail from MacBook through Mac mini Problem
Spring for the cost and purchase a router. In addition to being more straightforward to set up (via a web page), you get the advantage of a hardware firewall. And the Mac mini doesn't have to be turned on for the MacBook to obtain access to the Internet. Fred Holmes At 08:16 AM 5/4/2009, Bernie Hylton wrote: At home, I connect my MacBook to the internet through Mac mini internet sharing with no problem except: I cannot connect email (Mail or Thunderbird). It is apparently blocked by the firewall on the mini for if I shut down the firewall, the connection works fine. There must be an adjustment I can make in the firewall settings to allow email through, but what is it (or is there something else)? Both machines run Mac OS10.4.11 Tiger. FWIW: On a recent visit with my daughter, I successfully connected to and through her Windows et al home wireless system with no changes in MacBook settings. Thanks ### Bernie * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
The link didn't work. Perhaps tinyurl doesn't support this type of link. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: CompUSA has a complete HP Compaq 6735s notebook for $329. http://tinyurl.com/ctcrvw * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mail from MacBook through Mac mini Problem
Instead of connecting through another Mac or a PC, you should be connecting to the Internet directly through the wireless access point/router/modem, unless you have dialup. Your firewall settings are done there and not in the other computer. Do you have broadband access? Can you log in to your wireless router [what brand/model?]? Do you know how to open ports or change firewall settings? For POP email, incoming port is 110, outgoing is 25, 465 or 587 depending on provider; IMAP port is 143. Can you get email on your Mini? It's easier to open ports in Tiger than Leopard, but if there's a router, change settings there. At home, I connect my MacBook to the internet through Mac mini internet sharing with no problem except: I cannot connect email (Mail or Thunderbird). It is apparently blocked by the firewall on the mini for if I shut down the firewall, the connection works fine. There must be an adjustment I can make in the firewall settings to allow email through, but what is it (or is there something else)? Both machines run Mac OS10.4.11 Tiger. FWIW: On a recent visit with my daughter, I successfully connected to and through her Windows et al home wireless system with no changes in MacBook settings. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mail from MacBook through Mac mini Problem
Spring for the cost and purchase a router. In addition to being more straightforward to set up (via a web page), you get the advantage of a hardware firewall. And the Mac mini doesn't have to be turned on for the MacBook to obtain access to the Internet. Yes indeed. Not haveing a $30 router makes everything much more complicated and dangerous too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Actually, I figured it might not, which is why I gave the make and model - so a search would work. http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=HP+Compaq+6735s On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: The link didn't work. Perhaps tinyurl doesn't support this type of link. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: CompUSA has a complete HP Compaq 6735s notebook for $329. http://tinyurl.com/ctcrvw * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mail from MacBook through Mac mini Problem
At 9:17 AM -0400 5/5/09, Bernie Hylton wrote: At home, I connect my MacBook to the internet through Mac mini internet sharing with no problem except: I cannot connect email (Mail or Thunderbird). It is apparently blocked by the firewall on the mini for if I shut down the firewall, the connection works fine. There must be an adjustment I can make in the firewall settings to allow email through, but what is it (or is there something else)? Both machines run Mac OS10.4.11 Tiger. On the Mini, in the Apple menu, select System Preferences. Then, Sharing under Internet Network. Then click the Firewall tab. Then click the New... button. In the Port Name drop-down menu, select Other. In the box for TCP Port Numbers, enter the numbers Betty gave in her message: At 11:06 AM -0400 5/5/09, b_s-wilk wrote: For POP email, incoming port is 110, outgoing is 25, 465 or 587 depending on provider; IMAP port is 143. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Not Reconsidering Cancelled Picnic
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/05/microsoft_job_losses/ Looks like focus is on cutting US jobs while adding staff outside of US. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not Reconsidering Cancelled Picnic
Did it not say it was cutting staff in and outside the US? Sent from my iPod On May 5, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/05/microsoft_job_losses/ Looks like focus is on cutting US jobs while adding staff outside of US. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Saving tabs in Firefox
Where in Firefox do I set the option of asking me to save tabs, so when I open Firefox again certain tabs automatically pop up? This option automatically came up on my Mac, but not on the PC. tia. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 dt...@indianahistory.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Also, there's a referb 20 iMac on the Apple site for $800. Tom Piwowar wrote: He does not need this computer for anything related to his work. I have said it before here, and once again it has happened. A computer purchase is being predicated upon the erroneous and paranoid concept that everyone else has one. Queried about this, he says that he fears not being able to get any help when he needs it if he gets anything but a Windows computer. and from what he hears and understands from others, he says he'll probably be needing a lot of that. Take him to an Apple store. Check the schedule for the free classes they hold there. Get info on the one-on-one training (see posts here on that). Show him the Genius bar. Ask one of the store staff to explain Apple's support program. Show him a MacMini and note that you can get them for as little as $450 at Amazon.com ($499 at the Apple Online Store). Show him an iMac 20 (I just bought a new one for $850 through an Amazon affiliated dealer). Then take him to Best Buy and try to snag a sales person. Try to ask a few simple questions. Have him call Dell support in Bangalore and ask a simple question. Tell him about malware and how he will have to devote time to keeping up his defenses or risk having his computer polluted. Have him call Geek Squad for an estimate on getting a PC deloused. Have a serious talk with him about support and the kind of hamburgers everyone buys at McDonalds. The tell him he is a big boy and you expect him to suck it up and live with the consequences of his bad decisions and not bother you with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firewall Logging: Are these a problem?
Apple's documentation is often dated. They are much faster a putting new stuff up than at taking obsolete info down. Except that one of the ADC articles I quoted was explicitly written for Leopard, and I could show you other articles as well, like one on writing 64 bit code for Leopard which explicitly cautions you to use the CUPS filter to write a 64 bit printer driver, etc. As for cupsd not showing up in Leopard's Activity Monitor for you, that is a puzzler. It shows up for me (clean install, so it isn't a leftover from Tiger), and it shows up on every Leopard mac I have looked at that has a printer installed. The printers involved so far include HP BW and color laserjets, an HP inkjet, a Brother inkjet and a Canon imageRunner photocopier/printer/scanner (generic postscript driver for that, Canon is bad about OS X drivers for their big machines). All of the printers are of fairly recent vintage, and I've looked at 5 computers so far, with Leopard native on 4 of them and an upgrade on one. So, some possible explanations (from my perspective) are: 1) You checked for cupsd on a mac that hasn't had a printer set up for it in System Preferences, so maybe CUPS would not have been turned on, 2) You weren't looking at all processes in Activity Monitor, but were looking at my processes instead (something I've done at times.) 3) We are living in parallel universes connected by the web, where each of us is right. (I don't give this one much credence.) There are undoubtedly other possibilities I haven't thought of. We can agree to disagree on this until more convincing evidence comes to light, since it doesn't make much difference in practical terms. If printing is working quite well for everyone, there is less need to be concerned with the guts of the OS. But if you are interested in pursuing this a little more, I'd like to know what you see if you run Activity Monitor while printing, particularly if your printers are connected by USB, because all of my examples were of networked printers. In any case, to return to the original question in this thread, given what I've seen, if you have a network printer in your printer list, then having CUPS showing up in your firewall log is probably a fairly common experience. On May 5, 2009, at 12:00 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com But I still think I am right on this one. The Apple Developers' Center's Leopard Reference Library has the page http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/Printing/idxCUPS- date.html, that says: Apple's documentation is often dated. They are much faster a putting new stuff up than at taking obsolete info down. Activity Monitor under Tiger shows the cupsd process running. Under Leopard it is no longer there. How's that for evidence? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Saving tabs in Firefox
Found it! On PC, Tools / Options / Main / Startup, choose option Show my windows tabs from last time Thanks! David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 dt...@indianahistory.org -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:37 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Saving tabs in Firefox On the Mac version: Preferences/Main. It's the first thing, where it says When Firefox starts: David Turk wrote: Where in Firefox do I set the option of asking me to save tabs, so when I open Firefox again certain tabs automatically pop up? This option automatically came up on my Mac, but not on the PC. tia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Saving tabs in Firefox
Not sure if this is what you're asking for but I let the Firefox generate the prompt by allowing the computer to shut down any open Firefox windows instead of me shutting down them down. From there, you can set it to always save, and it will open them the next time it launches. Richard P. Where in Firefox do I set the option of asking me to save tabs, so when I open Firefox again certain tabs automatically pop up? This option automatically came up on my Mac, but not on the PC. tia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
We have 3 PCs. I don't like the cheap [free] Compaq Presario notebook with Vista Home Premium. The HP notebook with Vista Business is a much better computer, but retails for twice as much as the Compaq. However, we got a display model for about the same price as the Compaq. We also have a ca. 2006 Dell desktop with XP Pro. All 3 belong to my husband and do mostly what he needs, and when they don't he has a PowerMac G5. I have 3 Macs and an iPod Touch, and run XP on one. PC notebooks I like are by Toshiba. Sony Vaio is very nice, but I don't trust them for quality. Unless all you want is an Internet device, to get a decent computer for $400 you need to buy used, display model, refurb. For Internet only, buy cheap, but don't expect it to do video editing, photo retouch, spreadsheets, page layout, illustration, movies, except online Flash videos and Netflix streams. As for the usual FUD about getting help, he'll be on the Internet. He can join a user group, CGuys list or ask friends for help with a PC or Mac. 'You gets what you pays for.' Additionally, he only wants to spend about $400 or so for everything, including the printer. He knows nothing of computer pricing, so this is not an issue of wanting a Windows machine simply because they are known to be initially cheap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Of course, he can actually get an *almost free* new computer if he's willing to sign up for a long term (2 yr?) 3G contract. That may not be a bad deal at all, depending on his needs. With a connection to the cell network, it's 24/7 access wherever he is. A very important feature for many people. http://tinyurl.com/coe2o3 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Saving Web pages in Firefox
Hello all. I would like to save web pages in firefox. When I try to do so, it only saves the images, none of the text. Is there a way to save all this information? I use Firefox 2.0, and believe I save them as a web page. Thanks for any reply, Bill. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Saving Web pages in Firefox
Sometimes you can just highlight and copy. Sometimes a screen capture app might help, giving you a perfect pixel-by-pixel copy of what you see. Isn't Firefox up to 3.0.5 now? Make sure you've got the latest version. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: Hello all. I would like to save web pages in firefox. When I try to do so, it only saves the images, none of the text. Is there a way to save all this information? I use Firefox 2.0, and believe I save them as a web page. Thanks for any reply, Bill. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Saving Web pages in Firefox
What OS do you run? Under OS X you can just print to PDF and get a pretty good copy. If you want to descend links then Acrobat will capture a site for you. On May 5, 2009, at 2:13 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: Hello all. I would like to save web pages in firefox. When I try to do so, it only saves the images, none of the text. Is there a way to save all this information? I use Firefox 2.0, and believe I save them as a web page. Thanks for any reply, Bill. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
I am trying to repair a wormy EMachines W3107 with a damaged recovery partition. I contacted tech support for a disc set, and they said: We do not keep recovery disc images prior to March 2006. and they could not provide a set. This is a very disturbing development ... Comments? Help?; * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] offlist kudo Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Anonymous lurker said... The guy sounds resistant, and I'm not sure I would try to overcome that resistance if it felt like a lost cause. That is very true. Every computer is going to have problems from time to time and every computer sold has some lemons in the basket. If you convince someone to change course you have acquired some responsibility for the new course. The friend's brother should definitely be allowed to dive into the fiery pit of their own choosing. Just tell him to not come crying to you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not Reconsidering Cancelled Picnic
Did it not say it was cutting staff in and outside the US? Mostly US and said they would still hire overseas. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firewall Logging: Are these a problem?
A quick test: System Pref - Print Fax - Click + to add a printer. Then open a Terminal window and run 'ps -ef | grep cups' Do you see cupsd and cups-deviced processes running? Yep. Activity Monitor now shows cupsd and some other related processes. Cups lives on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
Comments? You get what you pay for. Time to pay some more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firewall Logging: Are these a problem?
We can agree to disagree on this until more convincing evidence comes to light, since it doesn't make much difference in practical terms. We now agree. In any case, to return to the original question in this thread, given what I've seen, if you have a network printer in your printer list, then having CUPS showing up in your firewall log is probably a fairly common experience. Yes it should. My test (on a new Mac) showed that the process won't launch if it is not needed. Which is a good thing too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple match made in Twitter??
http://digg.com/d1qMHO Techradar reporting Apple may be in talks to buy twitter for upwards of 700 million. What? Anyone know TR's track record? Anyone have thoughts on why Apple would want Twitter? If Ashton comes with the deal I say walk away... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
Always helpful Tom. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Comments? You get what you pay for. Time to pay some more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Saving Web pages in Firefox my os
I use XP. The idea is to save it to the hard drive. Would you suggest save as a pdf and save to the HD? Thanks, Bill. -- Original message from Matthew Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.com: -- What OS do you run? Under OS X you can just print to PDF and get a pretty good copy. If you want to descend links then Acrobat will capture a site for you. On May 5, 2009, at 2:13 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: Hello all. I would like to save web pages in firefox. When I try to do so, it only saves the images, none of the text. Is there a way to save all this information? I use Firefox 2.0, and believe I save them as a web page. Thanks for any reply, Bill. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Reliability of cars
We had a brief mention of the quality of American cars Vs foreign some time ago. Here is a blog writer who makes some good points: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay09/bigthree05-09.html This lack of durability of the Big Three vehicles receives almost no visibility. The fact that a car made by American workers with largely American-made parts in Tennesee lasts a decade or more with virtually no repairs or maintenance required while the 10-year old Big Three vehicle is either junked or a problem-riddled beater is the 800-pound gorilla in the room few have cared to discuss. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Saving Web pages in Firefox my os
I use XP also, but Firefox is 3.0.10. I can FILE SAVE PAGE AS and it works fine. Richard P. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:27 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: I use XP. The idea is to save it to the hard drive. Would you suggest save as a pdf and save to the HD? Thanks, Bill. -- Original message from Matthew Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.com: -- What OS do you run? Under OS X you can just print to PDF and get a pretty good copy. If you want to descend links then Acrobat will capture a site for you. On May 5, 2009, at 2:13 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: Hello all. I would like to save web pages in firefox. When I try to do so, it only saves the images, none of the text. Is there a way to save all this information? I use Firefox 2.0, and believe I save them as a web page. Thanks for any reply, Bill. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
Always helpful Tom. You get what you pay for. Time to pay some more. Look. Somebody bought a cheap computer too many years ago and now finds that the vendor has walked away from it. You want me to shed a tear? What a bunch of crap. You get what you pay for. I don't see you offering any help. Why not? Do you just steer people into making poor computer decisions and then watch them sink? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Also, there's a referb 20 iMac on the Apple site for $800. I have found that Apple refurbs are very close to new. Humorously so. They pack them with the same care as new with everything wrapped in its little baggie and secured with twisty ties. Except the little baggies and twisty ties are obviously recycled too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple match made in Twitter??
Techradar reporting Apple may be in talks to buy twitter for upwards of 700 million. What? Anyone know TR's track record? Anyone have thoughts on why Apple would want Twitter? If Ashton comes with the deal I say walk away... I doubt it. Twitter does not fit into any Apple strategy I can think of. Unlike M$, Apple does not buy random stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
It's true what Tom is saying though. Content and capability cost money to provide... when you spend less on a system you get less and inevitably hit a wall in some aspect sooner than with a more substantive system. Then you have to spend to regain what you lack. I have a high end Dell... since it cost more than an e-machine, it comes with the OS, drivers etc on a DVD. To do that or for e-machine to stock and be able to deliver older images, e-machines would have to cost more. db mike wrote: Always helpful Tom. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Comments? You get what you pay for. Time to pay some more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
You don't say whether he wants a notebook or a desktop. I bought my daughter a HP desktop PC computer for Xmas this past year for about $350. It was not the cheapest: I wanted a dual-core processor. I am amazed at the quality and value when the mail-order computer arrived from HP. My daughter does video graphic design in college, needed a fast machine -- I decided to go with 4 GB DDRAM, a free upgrade then. Checking prices now at HP web site: AMD single-core processor, $300. Intel dual-core, $380. $300 computer comes with 250 GB hard drive, DVD burner, 2 GB memory, Eithernet card, card reader, optical mouse, 6 USB and one IEEE 1394 ports. Note: card slots limited to 3 besides video card slot. Wireless LAN, printer and monitor extra. Monitor likely costs the most, and wireless, printer, monitor together will probably cost more than $100 if bought new. (Seems like HP computer not as good a deal as last Xmas.) Some minimal software is offered for free, but heavy duty software will cost maybe as much as the computer. Notebooks run about 30% more than desktops. If he only wants to get on internet, get a netbook or perhaps a notebook mini computer. Latter is $280 at HP, but is a poor excuse for a computer for heavy-duty use. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The brother of a good friend of mine wants to purchase his very first computer. This fellow just had his 48th birthday. I was asked to look into the question of what he should get, primarily just for e-mail, but who knows what he will eventually want to use it for over time. Being a Mac user, I was thinking Macintosh for various reasons based upon my own personal experiences and knowledge. However, he is insisting on a Windows machine, and I have now backed out of trying to help him make a purchase because I have little knowledge of what would be best for him on that platform. His sole reason for having to have a Windows machine is because, as he says, everyone else has one. What he really means is that he doesn't know anyone who uses anything else, except for me and my good friend, and he wants to be a part of the really big flock. His scope is limited. He does not need this computer for anything related to his work. I have said it before here, and once again it has happened. A computer purchase is being predicated upon the erroneous and paranoid concept that everyone else has one. Queried about this, he says that he fears not being able to get any help when he needs it if he gets anything but a Windows computer. and from what he hears and understands from others, he says he'll probably be needing a lot of that. This is a typical rationale I hear all the time. Additionally, he only wants to spend about $400 or so for everything, including the printer. He knows nothing of computer pricing, so this is not an issue of wanting a Windows machine simply because they are known to be initially cheap. This is no attempt to fan any flames, but merely a little peek into what I have always perceived to be a major selling point for a particular computer platform. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
I helped backchannel as to avoid your usual knee jerk reactions. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Always helpful Tom. You get what you pay for. Time to pay some more. Look. Somebody bought a cheap computer too many years ago and now finds that the vendor has walked away from it. You want me to shed a tear? What a bunch of crap. You get what you pay for. I don't see you offering any help. Why not? Do you just steer people into making poor computer decisions and then watch them sink? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Phorm
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:05 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Here is an older story from about about a year ago, but it is related directy to the current story about how the private snooping company has been found to be essentially running a portion of Great Britain's internet spying operation. Phorm is apparently also working with the government of the United States in a similar vein. Phorm’s All-Seeing Parasite Cookie http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/phorms-all-seeing-parasite-cookie/ Didn't Amazon just announce that they would no longer accept Phorm cookies in GB? -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Blackberry Curve outsells iPhone in Q1 2009
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: So? If the iPhone is what someone wants, they're going to get it. The iPhone cabal has made it clear that price is never an issue. Yes, 4 of the top 5 phones are essentially free. The iPhone is the only one that people actually pay for. As they say: Put your money where your mouth is. I might go for an iPhone if it didn't come with such an awful provider attached but I also like real buttons on a keyboard which most of the Blackberries have. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
It's true what Tom is saying though. Isn't that the point of M$' Laptop Hunters? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Saving Web pages in Firefox my os
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote: I use XP also, but Firefox is 3.0.10. I can FILE SAVE PAGE AS and it works fine. Richard P. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:27 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: I use XP. The idea is to save it to the hard drive. Would you suggest save as a pdf and save to the HD? Thanks, Bill. -- Original message from Matthew Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.com: -- What OS do you run? Under OS X you can just print to PDF and get a pretty good copy. If you want to descend links then Acrobat will capture a site for you. On May 5, 2009, at 2:13 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: Hello all. I would like to save web pages in firefox. When I try to do so, it only saves the images, none of the text. Is there a way to save all this information? I use Firefox 2.0, and believe I save them as a web page. Thanks for any reply, Bill. If I remember correctly Firefox 2.0 had significant security problems towards the end. An upgrade would be in order and I don't remember a significant change in the interface with the upgrade. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
That was my experience. The 17 MacBook Pro I got last year is a refurb and was indistinguishable from a new Mac. No evidence that it had ever been touched. Tom Piwowar wrote: Also, there's a referb 20 iMac on the Apple site for $800. I have found that Apple refurbs are very close to new. Humorously so. They pack them with the same care as new with everything wrapped in its little baggie and secured with twisty ties. Except the little baggies and twisty ties are obviously recycled too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Phorm
Phormís All-Seeing Parasite Cookie Then we are back to setting our browsers to keep no cookies at all and every website we visit will be worse off for it. It is a bad result for everybody, including Phormis. When spammers, Phormis, etc. abuse the system we all lose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Checking prices now at HP web site: AMD single-core processor, $300. Intel dual-core, $380. That's not the real price. We have been upgrading classroom computers to Adobe Creative Suite CS4. The Mac installs were uneventful. The Windows installs were one problem after another. Both Macs and Windows needed the latest OS patches before the CS installer would run. The Mac patcher quickly downloaded and quickly ran. The Windows patcher stopped downloading at the 10% mark and would not resume. I tried again with different computers and different programs, but always the download halted at 9 or 10 percent, never to resume. So I could not get a patcher. Instead I had to run Windows Update on every computer individually. A slow process. The downloaded sat for 12 minutes at Preparing to download... with nothing happening. Then the download dribbled in at an agonizingly slow rate (bottleneck at the M$ server, not my connection). Then a slow install, etc, etc. I will spare you more tales to woe, but it is now 10 hours later and I am not yet finished. This is hellish. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
I'm going to repeat myself. If he isn't willing to spend a bit more, he'll end up with an underpowered computer he won't be happy with. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Most of the computers that you can get today are vastly overpowered for what most people end up using them for: word processing, email and web surfing. I always ask people what their budget is and what they plan to do with the computer. I never ask them what platform they want to use nor attempt to browbeat them into using one over the other. Usually, people want to get a laptop because they think they need a laptop, when in fact it's going to sit on their desk at home. They're seduced by the thought of taking it to Starbucks and being one of the cool kids. When I point out that will probably not-insignificantly increase the cost of their purchase, they often change their minds. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
The Windows patcher stopped downloading at the 10% mark and would not resume. What Windows patcher are you talking about? Is this something that Adobe provided? As you so aptly pointed out, you get what you pay for. I tried again with different computers and different programs, but always the download halted at 9 or 10 percent, never to resume. So I could not get a patcher. Instead I had to run Windows Update on every computer individually. A slow process. You aren't making any sense now. You have multiple programs laying around for patching Windows? You didn't have to patch the Macs individually? I will spare you more tales to woe, but it is now 10 hours later and I am not yet finished. This is hellish. The PCs just *know* that it's you, Tom. Payback is a bitch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Blackberry Curve outsells iPhone in Q1 2009
I might go for an iPhone if it didn't come with such an awful provider attached but I also like real buttons on a keyboard which most of the Blackberries have. Not to mention a battery that goes for longer than 4 hours. I'd like to trade my 8700g in for a Curve, but I'd also like a 3G network and not EDGE. EDGE sucks for web surfing. I'd have to switch off of T-Mobile or get a G-1 for that. RIM just makes rock-solid hardware and OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] blackberry os
I've got a pearl I've been experiencing problems with lately. I get probably over 100 text msgs a day, lately I've not been able to send MMS..I get a clock symbol to show it's sending and it never times out nor fail. I'm going to call or stop in at a tmobile in a day or two, but since you brought up BB I thought perhaps you had an idea of what is wrong? This problem just started out of the blue. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: I might go for an iPhone if it didn't come with such an awful provider attached but I also like real buttons on a keyboard which most of the Blackberries have. Not to mention a battery that goes for longer than 4 hours. I'd like to trade my 8700g in for a Curve, but I'd also like a 3G network and not EDGE. EDGE sucks for web surfing. I'd have to switch off of T-Mobile or get a G-1 for that. RIM just makes rock-solid hardware and OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
What Windows patcher are you talking about? Is this something that Adobe provided? I said I was downloading from a M$ server. Where do you get Adobe in there? Trying to shift the blame I guess. XP SP3 is purely a M$ travesty. I had no problems downloading patchers from the Adobe servers. As you so aptly pointed out, you get what you pay for. Ain't that the truth, but we have to have some M$ around for clients who are under the thumb of clueless IT managers. You aren't making any sense now. You have multiple programs laying around for patching Windows? You didn't have to patch the Macs individually? So of course in your mind I must be lying. It could not be crappy M$ servers. I was downloading the SP3 exe so I would not have to download the update again and again and again for every desktop. I put the one exe on a local server or portable drive and quickly update every computer. Easy to do with every other vendor, except M$. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Saving Web pages in Firefox my os
Saving web pages in Firefox is exactly what the Scrapbook Add-on does. My wife uses it a lot. You can invoke a sidebar with th saved pages to review. They are saved in a folder and can be exported when changing machines. Check it out. Richard P. wrote: I use XP also, but Firefox is 3.0.10. I can FILE SAVE PAGE AS and it works fine. Richard P. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:27 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: I use XP. The idea is to save it to the hard drive. Would you suggest save as a pdf and save to the HD? Thanks, Bill. -- Original message from Matthew Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.com: -- What OS do you run? Under OS X you can just print to PDF and get a pretty good copy. If you want to descend links then Acrobat will capture a site for you. On May 5, 2009, at 2:13 PM, computerg...@att.net wrote: Hello all. I would like to save web pages in firefox. When I try to do so, it only saves the images, none of the text. Is there a way to save all this information? I use Firefox 2.0, and believe I save them as a web page. Thanks for any reply, Bill. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OT: Cable Digital TV
This can be read On-Topic or Off-Topic as you will. The saga continues, and continues, and continues: So far we've replaced the Apex box with an RCA box. We get a much clearer picture with the RCA box, and I like the RCA remote much better than the Apex remote, but we only receive one additional station. (Of course, it's not WETA.) We have also tried replacing our home-made antenna (a la the YouTube instructions) with an RCA super antenna. Same results whichever antenna we used, so the RCA antenna, with booster, goes back to Walmart tomorrow. No real need to throw away $30 for nothing. My husband has also reconfigured our home-made antenna to add a few inches (by using longer pieces of coathanger for the legs of the antenna). That has boosted our signal so we get an additional 3 stations. Nothing we want, especially, but 3 more than before. We have played with locating the best signal possible inside the house, and we've gotten to about 80% signal strength. (The RCA box has very nice controls for monitoring this, which is helpful in siting the antenna for best reception.) The next move will be to buy some more antenna cable and try extending the antenna outside, and above the level of our (flat) roof to see what difference that makes. This is all pretty ridiculous, but at this point it's the principle of the thing. If the antenna works outside the house, we'll have to think about whether, or not, we want to get a real adjustable roof antenna for another couple hundred $$$s. What a rip-off this whole thing is turning out to be. The alternative might (or might not!) be to get an HD tv and hook it up to the Comcast cable in our house. The only stopper for that is -- I don't think the signal strength to any of our tv's will be strong enough for them to actually receive digital signals without having Comcast come in and re-wire our house (the Comcast cable splits here and there as it is fed to various tv's in the house). We had to connect the new Comcast box directly to the one TV it's 'feeding' and split beyond it for that tv to receive any of the digital signals. When we put the splitter between the tv and the box, not only did we lose digital signals, but we also lost many of the signals we got before adding the box. Frustrating to the max! Mical Wimoth Carton chrper...@aol.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
Sorry to hear about the complications with your eMachines computer. Take heart. I have an eMachines AMD 64 Athlon M6805 purchased in June 2004. It came with a recovery partition, but also included original XP sp1 disks, that I also still have. The computer was a great buy at the time and is still a dependable machine dual booted with XP sp3 and Ubuntu 64 bit. I am upgrading Ubuntu to 9.04 right now. Unless you want the eMachines bloatware, try a local, Mom and Pop computer store who might sell you an older XP license for cheap (maybe even a gimme) that will work with your computer and you can update quickly with a broadband internet connection. Trash your recovery partition and install XP clean. I can still find drivers for all the hardware in my machine if I have to (needed Broadcom wireless drivers for Ubuntu), but XP seems to do fine finding the updated drivers on its own. They may not have recovery disks, but the drivers are still available for download for your computer (http://www.emachines.com/support/product_support.html?cat=Desktopssubcat=W Seriesmodel=W3107). Otherwise, you might have a good time geeking out with a solo boot of Linux (like Ubuntu) on your machine. I'm really enjoying it and never thought I would after living on DOS/Windows/Apple OS machines since the mid-80s. Linux has come a long way and the Ubuntu desktop CD is really pretty painless. And Brian, don't let the MS vs. Apple talk get you down. I would have to go to eBay for Jaguar disks for my G4 Titanium PowerBook, too. Good luck. -- From: Brian Jones wjone...@carolina.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:07 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date I am trying to repair a wormy EMachines W3107 with a damaged recovery partition. I contacted tech support for a disc set, and they said: We do not keep recovery disc images prior to March 2006. and they could not provide a set. This is a very disturbing development ... Comments? Help?; * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Study: teens kill virtual pedestrians when texting while driving
http://www.motorauthority.com/study-teens-kill-virtual-pedestrians-when-text ing-while-driving.html But, it's a pretty small sample size. Still, at least the deaths were virtual. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
