Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:19 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Hope? Stupidity? On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:17 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Try breaking a contract with ATT on your new Iphone and see how much they will charge you. Why would anyone agree to a contractual arrangement wherein without even being able to EFFECTIVELY test the product, the user would be penalized if the product eventually failed to perform as had been anticipated or as advertised? Or because they quite simply will not let you have a phone under contract without such a penalty being included. Imagine if all products had to be acquired in a similar manner and with return or cancellation penalties reaching hundreds of dollars if said items do not meet expectations or live up to advertising claims? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:16 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Imagine if all products had to be acquired in a similar manner and with return or cancellation penalties reaching hundreds of dollars if said items do not meet expectations or live up to advertising claims? Some software is sold with the stipulation that you won't compare it to the competition and if you decide you don't like it you are forbidden to tell others. And hard to believe, that not an M$ EULA. It really is possible to be more evil than M$. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Try breaking a contract with ATT on your new Iphone and see how much they will charge you. Why would anyone agree to a contractual arrangement wherein without even being able to EFFECTIVELY test the product, the user would be penalized if the product eventually failed to perform as had been anticipated or as advertised? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Hope? Stupidity? On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:17 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Try breaking a contract with ATT on your new Iphone and see how much they will charge you. Why would anyone agree to a contractual arrangement wherein without even being able to EFFECTIVELY test the product, the user would be penalized if the product eventually failed to perform as had been anticipated or as advertised? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Well increased sales, increased number or devices running android. I realize you often need construction paper and crayons to understand simple things, I'm just not going to take the time to try and help you out this time. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 5, 2009, at 9:27 PM, mike wrote: With android making inroads, do they need one? You got any proof of that? Or is this empty propaganda? Why am I not surprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Apple insider is reporting a taiwanese manufacturer has been hired to do a cdma iPhone to be carried on verizon in q3 2010. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:36 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Is there solid word they will get a apple device? With android making inroads, do they need one? VZ is also getting another droid phone, the eris, this phone got better reviews overall than the moto droid. Sprint has three or four android phones out now, one of them has 8 megabytes of built in memory, haven't seen if you can utilize it all for apps or not. AFter seeing the offerings of android, I don't see much missing between the two choices. Apple probably won't do Verizon without GSM. Does Droid do Flash? iPhone doesn't do Flash [without serious hacking], but Symbian does. Can you buy a Droid phone outright without a contract? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
It does flash most the time. Why wouldn't they do it without gsm? iPhone is a world phone. CDMA is mostly US and Japan. Apple can sell more GSM phones than CDMA. Verizon still wants the iPhone, as noted in recent news. It will take Apple a year or so to reengineer hardware and software for VZ. Apple also has to wait for ATT contract to expire. ATT wants to keep iPhone and will do what they need to do to make sure it stays only GSM, and doesn't have special features developed for ATT running on other GSM networks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
They can sell more phones doing both. On Nov 7, 2009 1:26 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: It does flash most the time. Why wouldn't they do it without gsm? iPhone is a world phone. CDMA is mostly US and Japan. Apple can sell more GSM phones than CDMA. Verizon still wants the iPhone, as noted in recent news. It will take Apple a year or so to reengineer hardware and software for VZ. Apple also has to wait for ATT contract to expire. ATT wants to keep iPhone and will do what they need to do to make sure it stays only GSM, and doesn't have special features developed for ATT running on other GSM networks. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Actually, according to what I read, it is a hybrid UMTS/CDMA iPhone made possible by a new hybrid chip from Qualcomm, so Apple can continue to make a single global iPhone that will work with all major carriers. The evidence for the phone is pretty skimpy, I haven't seen any evidence at all that Apple is going to get in a licensing deal with Verizon, and I can't see how they are going to handle the mixed message they would get from having the iPhone capable of different things on different networks in the US market. Possibly, Apple would handle this by offering the new iPhone by itself without a license to any carrier and let the purchaser deal with their carrier's limitations, or maybe this is all just an insidious rumor that is intended to blunt Droid sales by encouraging people to wait for an iPhone. If the latter theory is correct, the steep price Verizon is now charging for early termination of smartphone contracts plays right into this strategy. The idea that Apple might offer the iPhone without a carrier contract appeals to me. It seems like there is already a pretty big grey market for iPhones freed from their original carrier in one way or the other, and I could see that Apple might like to profit off of that. It's another piece of low-hanging fruit that Apple can pick without posing a legitimate grievance to the carriers (assuming that Apple won't be breaking any contractual exclusivity agreements). It's all just speculation though. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer) Apple insider is reporting a taiwanese manufacturer has been hired to do a cdma iPhone to be carried on verizon in q3 2010. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:36 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Is there solid word they will get a apple device? With android making inroads, do they need one? VZ is also getting another droid phone, the eris, this phone got better reviews overall than the moto droid. Sprint has three or four android phones out now, one of them has 8 megabytes of built in memory, haven't seen if you can utilize it all for apps or not. AFter seeing the offerings of android, I don't see much missing between the two choices. Apple probably won't do Verizon without GSM. Does Droid do Flash? iPhone doesn't do Flash [without serious hacking], but Symbian does. Can you buy a Droid phone outright without a contract? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
What a vote of confidence, to welcome the arrival of the Droid Verizon is doubling the penalty for early termination. With a whole new line of smart phones coming onto the market, Verizon Wireless said that starting November 15 it is doubling to $350 the penalty fees for subscribers who leave their contracts early. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404720.html?hpid=sec-tech Once the Droid grabs you it won't let you go! I guess they expect to have lots of unhappy customers wanting to flee. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: What a vote of confidence, to welcome the arrival of the Droid Verizon is doubling the penalty for early termination. With a whole new line of smart phones coming onto the market, Verizon Wireless said that starting November 15 it is doubling to $350 the penalty fees for subscribers who leave their contracts early. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404720.html?hpid=sec-tech Once the Droid grabs you it won't let you go! I guess they expect to have lots of unhappy customers wanting to flee. It is also probably a measure of how much VZ had to subsidize the Droid phone. I hope it is decent enough to fill the iPhone niche until VZ gets an apple product. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Is there solid word they will get a apple device? With android making inroads, do they need one? VZ is also getting another droid phone, the eris, this phone got better reviews overall than the moto droid. Sprint has three or four android phones out now, one of them has 8 megabytes of built in memory, haven't seen if you can utilize it all for apps or not. AFter seeing the offerings of android, I don't see much missing between the two choices. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: What a vote of confidence, to welcome the arrival of the Droid Verizon is doubling the penalty for early termination. With a whole new line of smart phones coming onto the market, Verizon Wireless said that starting November 15 it is doubling to $350 the penalty fees for subscribers who leave their contracts early. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404720.html?hpid=sec-tech Once the Droid grabs you it won't let you go! I guess they expect to have lots of unhappy customers wanting to flee. It is also probably a measure of how much VZ had to subsidize the Droid phone. I hope it is decent enough to fill the iPhone niche until VZ gets an apple product. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
It is because they are subsidizing more cost of the phone. Try breaking a contract with ATT on your new Iphone and see how much they will charge you. Stewart At 04:41 PM 11/5/2009, you wrote: What a vote of confidence, to welcome the arrival of the Droid Verizon is doubling the penalty for early termination. With a whole new line of smart phones coming onto the market, Verizon Wireless said that starting November 15 it is doubling to $350 the penalty fees for subscribers who leave their contracts early. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404720.html?hpid=sec-tech Once the Droid grabs you it won't let you go! I guess they expect to have lots of unhappy customers wanting to flee. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:00 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Android is software, not hardware. It can work in phones on GSM and CDMA networks, plus WiFi, Bluetooth, UMTS, etc. Nokia is in the process of merging some of its Symbian smart phones with Android features. Most of their customers are on GSM networks, not CDMA. Exactly, and the software running the Driod is not getting stellar reviews... Motorola DROID review http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/ Besides the introduction of the phone itself, obviously 2.0 is a major update for Android. Based on the launch and hype surrounding Moto's device, we'd say it's fair to assume that Google wanted as many eyes on the achievement as possible. They definitely got it with the DROID -- but was it worth all the fuss? The first thing you should know is that Android 2.0 isn't drastically different than 1.5 or 1.6... One of the first major changes Google has made is support for multiple Gmail or Exchange accounts... We would have been slightly more stoked about the feature if it allowed you to look at both Gmail and POP / IMAP / Exchange accounts in one field. Instead, you can view your Gmail accounts separately... Not exactly a perfect implementation... Another minor niggle: deleting an email now takes you to the next email in your inbox rather than bumping you back out to the list of emails, as it did in 1.5 and 1.6... We loved being able to keep a few of our accounts in the phone, but we ran into a weird and annoying issue when attempting to remove one of them... It's not groundbreaking stuff, but nice choices to have (finally). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
I had read that some android phones other than the Droid don't have the 256MB application limit. Perhaps it's just that they have more hardwired memory. I don't really buy your argument for memory expansion. With the iPod, you plug it into your computer and swap files between it and your computer. For a swappable memory card, you pop out the card, pop it into your computer or attached card reader, and swap files around. It doesn't sound any easier to me. And in fact, almost all users leave the memory card in for the life of their phone, except for upgrades. That is the actual argument for a swappable card: if you can't afford a large capacity, you buy the smaller capacity now with the prospect of putting in a larger capacity card later. This is where the iPhone loses, since the equivalent upgrade would be to upgrade to a higher capacity iPhone, paying the difference for the capacity but keeping all your paid content, and it seems unlikely that Apple/ATT would allow that. They might, if upgrading meant resetting your contract period. I also wouldn't hold my breath waiting for decent media apps for the Droid, either. Verizon is very protective of their vcast and Rhapsody video and music markets, and likely won't allow any apps that compete unless they can take a similarly outrageous cut for themselves. I have a Verizon phone and their FIOS service. Love the FIOS, like my phone (a higher-end LG), and hate the phone service. The customer service is not great, either (or I have been spoiled by Apple). From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer) Good stuff David, I too am on CDMA and have that limitation which sucks. The 256 is an android problem and is on every android phone out there, has nothing to do with this being on verizon or being the moto droid phone. I've read some about this and have not seen anything regarding anti piracy, more concerns about removing the card when stuff is running from it. Theoretically, if someone would build an android phone with more internal memory like an iphone, all of it could be used for installs, as it stands the android is weak on internal memory which limits apps that can be installed, and the iphone is useless for external memory for expansion. This comes down to personal taste, if you are buying a phone soley for the apps, you won't be buying an android phone anyway. If you won't be missing any apps from iphone, then there is no reason to not look at this phone except it's on verizon and I'm sure they will charge for things like enabling the GPS chip as they do in their other phones. With the specs of this phones screen and it's CPU power, motorola should have built in some killer media apps, big mistake IMO that they didn't. Personally If I was with Verizon I'd wait for the sub 100 dollar eris, a solid upper mid range phone although without the physical keyboard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
The android phones out now have a max onboard memory allotment of 512 megs. Half is for the OS etc and the other is for what you want to add. I never had an argument for for memory expansion, I only had how it is. Syncing your ipod with music and pictures is much easier then anything for android, that is a fact. I never said it was easier, I said it comes down to personal taste. There is as of yet, no syncing app for android, you plug the phone in (not sure why you would remove the memory card except you wanted to add more steps) and the memory card comes up like any flash drive. Moving files amounts to dragging and dropping whatever you want, the music app on the phone will scan for new music or load playlists (not nearly as nice as an iphone). With the iphone and memory you get ease of sync but are limited to the onboard memory period. For an android phone with an expansion slot you get basically unlimited memory and manual syncing by hand. I carry a 16 gig card in my phone and have another 8 I usually have on me, total I have 40 gigs on four cards, each about the size of your pinky nail. The memory allotment for apps is a different argument, apple gives you the entirety of onboard memory for whatever you want, so you could have gigs and gigs of apps. Android at the moment is limiting apps to 256 megs. If that matters to you, then it matters. It doesn't to me. I have an ipod touch with 8 gigs of storage and keep less than 300 megs of apps on it, the rest is music, movies and pics. I've got over 25 custom installed apps on my android phone and still have almost 100 megs left for memory, I see no problem in a practical sense, but theoretically, yes the limit could be reached easily by someone wanting to install every app they see. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:00 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: I had read that some android phones other than the Droid don't have the 256MB application limit. Perhaps it's just that they have more hardwired memory. I don't really buy your argument for memory expansion. With the iPod, you plug it into your computer and swap files between it and your computer. For a swappable memory card, you pop out the card, pop it into your computer or attached card reader, and swap files around. It doesn't sound any easier to me. And in fact, almost all users leave the memory card in for the life of their phone, except for upgrades. That is the actual argument for a swappable card: if you can't afford a large capacity, you buy the smaller capacity now with the prospect of putting in a larger capacity card later. This is where the iPhone loses, since the equivalent upgrade would be to upgrade to a higher capacity iPhone, paying the difference for the capacity but keeping all your paid content, and it seems unlikely that Apple/ATT would allow that. They might, if upgrading meant resetting your contract period. I also wouldn't hold my breath waiting for decent media apps for the Droid, either. Verizon is very protective of their vcast and Rhapsody video and music markets, and likely won't allow any apps that compete unless they can take a similarly outrageous cut for themselves. I have a Verizon phone and their FIOS service. Love the FIOS, like my phone (a higher-end LG), and hate the phone service. The customer service is not great, either (or I have been spoiled by Apple). From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer) Good stuff David, I too am on CDMA and have that limitation which sucks. The 256 is an android problem and is on every android phone out there, has nothing to do with this being on verizon or being the moto droid phone. I've read some about this and have not seen anything regarding anti piracy, more concerns about removing the card when stuff is running from it. Theoretically, if someone would build an android phone with more internal memory like an iphone, all of it could be used for installs, as it stands the android is weak on internal memory which limits apps that can be installed, and the iphone is useless for external memory for expansion. This comes down to personal taste, if you are buying a phone soley for the apps, you won't be buying an android phone anyway. If you won't be missing any apps from iphone, then there is no reason to not look at this phone except it's on verizon and I'm sure they will charge for things like enabling the GPS chip as they do in their other phones. With the specs of this phones screen and it's CPU power, motorola should have built in some killer media apps, big mistake IMO that they didn't. Personally If I was with Verizon I'd wait for the sub 100 dollar eris, a solid upper mid range phone although without the physical keyboard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Since Mike is so desperate to find out what the Droid can't do that the iPhone can, here's two: Because the Droid is built for Verizon's mostly CDMA network, you don't have simultaneous data and voice. So you can't for example do a web search for restaurants while making dinner plans with your caller, or find a map while also getting verbal help... Android is software, not hardware. It can work in phones on GSM and CDMA networks, plus WiFi, Bluetooth, UMTS, etc. Nokia is in the process of merging some of its Symbian smart phones with Android features. Most of their customers are on GSM networks, not CDMA. Can one take an existing smart phone and install Android? Does Android have to be pre-installed? Can there be a dual-boot as on phones that can use multiple phone numbers so that a user can change operating systems on the fly? Can Android be installed on a jailbroken iPhone? unlocked iPhone? iPod Touch? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:52 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... multitouch, which the Droid doesn't do I am sure that the Droid will cover a number of the bases that the iPhone does not handle. This should not surprise anyone. Had the Droid developers and engineers not been able to observe and take note of potential features that were lacking in the iPhone, they could have been accused of gross incompetence. It is actually pretty easy to note what is lacking in an existing product, and decide to make those features available in one you are in the process of conceiving. As more smart phones hit the market in the future, I suspect we are going to see a reversal of the penchant for making ever smaller ones, with more of the feature laden devices becoming larger and larger in order to accommodate the components required to make the phone able to do things such as hurl that bowling ball down the lane for you. Okay, that's a bit silly, but you get the point...i guess. Phone makers will have to initiate a new paradigm in advertising to cause consumers to embrace bigness as opposed to smallness. After all, a big phone makes for a much more noticeable and impressionable item when it comes to bragging rights as in, Look at the size of that dude's phone! Steve PS: As suspected, that 5MP camera in the Droid is fairly noisy from reviews I have read, pretty much negating any advantage 5MP should be expected to have over 3MP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
HTC has a new phone with a 4.3 touch screen. So there are larger devices coming. HTC also apparently has new ads just to get their name out there as the ad barely shows a phone...although its a Sprint hero they do show. It's more an ad about HTC having a phone that can match your different needs. I've also read the 5mp cam isn't all that great, but those who look at just mp count don't know enough to care about good pics anyway. On Nov 1, 2009 4:42 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:52 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... ... I am sure that the Droid will cover a number of the bases that the iPhone does not handle. This should not surprise anyone. Had the Droid developers and engineers not been able to observe and take note of potential features that were lacking in the iPhone, they could have been accused of gross incompetence. It is actually pretty easy to note what is lacking in an existing product, and decide to make those features available in one you are in the process of conceiving. As more smart phones hit the market in the future, I suspect we are going to see a reversal of the penchant for making ever smaller ones, with more of the feature laden devices becoming larger and larger in order to accommodate the components required to make the phone able to do things such as hurl that bowling ball down the lane for you. Okay, that's a bit silly, but you get the point...i guess. Phone makers will have to initiate a new paradigm in advertising to cause consumers to embrace bigness as opposed to smallness. After all, a big phone makes for a much more noticeable and impressionable item when it comes to bragging rights as in, Look at the size of that dude's phone! Steve PS: As suspected, that 5MP camera in the Droid is fairly noisy from reviews I have read, pretty much negating any advantage 5MP should be expected to have over 3MP. * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 1, 2009, at 6:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: PS: As suspected, that 5MP camera in the Droid is fairly noisy from reviews I have read, pretty much negating any advantage 5MP should be expected to have over 3MP. Further reinforcing the impression that it is the phone for rubes and backwoods droids. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Nov 1, 2009, at 6:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I am sure that the Droid will cover a number of the bases that the iPhone does not handle... Here's one... Is the Motorola Droid ugly? ... I know you'll tell me phones aren't supposed to be cute. They're supposed to be fabulously functional devices that liberate you from your daily grind. And I will tell you that if the iPhone wasn't such a fabulously pretty little thing, they wouldn't even sell a tenth of the number they have. Yet it doesn't look revolutionary. Perhaps, when one espies this new device and takes it into one's palms, they will sweat uncontrollably as it radiates a charm that has not yet been exposed by lenses. Yet right now the Droid feels utilitarian rather than breakthrough. It seems to have all the sex appeal of a middle manager. It's not necessarily right that the world should be this way. But humans are who we are--ridiculously susceptible to the surface pleasure.: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10386430-71.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
The cheeky ad seems to have inspired the press to draw up doesn't have lists... Droid lacks Apple's secret weapon: iTunes http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10378321-27.html But here's the thing: one reason for the runaway success of the iPhone--and one of the reasons why Apple still continues to sell more than 10 million iPods per quarter--is iTunes. Not so much the store, although that's an important component, but the software. Of course there are plenty of other applications out there that help you rip CDs and organize your digital music collection. And there are plenty of other sources for online music. But the real strength of iTunes is in the sync process--you plug your iPhone in, iTunes opens up automatically and recognizes it. Hit the large Sync button and it automatically loads your music (and video, and apps, and anything else you choose) onto it. (With some devices, depending on your settings, you don't even need to hit Sync.) That's the simple, consumer- friendly, end-to-end experience that Apple figured out first. Contrast that with the multi-step process required to transfer music from a Windows PC to the first Android phone that was available in the U.S., last year's G1. Amazon provided over-the-air MP3 downloads for that phone, giving it a rough equivalent to the over-the-air version of the iTunes store, but let's face it: most digital music is not purchased, but is ripped from a CD or comes from some other source (legal or not). Verizon, Motorola, and Google haven't said much about music for the Droid. Maybe they still have a musical trick or two up their collective sleeves. But without some sort of equivalent to the iTunes desktop application, the Droid may be a great phone, but it won't be a great music phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
I've read a couple that said the cam was quite a bit better then iphones, and video much better. Perhaps some shots will surface. On Nov 1, 2009 11:44 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 6:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: PS: As suspected, that 5MP camera in the Droid is fairly noisy from reviews I have read, prett... Further reinforcing the impression that it is the phone for rubes and backwoods droids. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Since Mike is so desperate to find out what the Droid can't do that the iPhone can, here's two: Because the Droid is built for Verizon's mostly CDMA network, you don't have simultaneous data and voice. So you can't for example do a web search for restaurants while making dinner plans with your caller, or find a map while also getting verbal help. You can only install 256MB of applications on the dedicated hardwired flash memory and can't install them on the memory card. This is isn't a general android problem or hardware limitation, but is an imposed security/anti-piracy restriction specifically on the Droid. So this is another reason you won't have a tomtom app with it's gigabytes of maps. The iPhone limits you to 2GB for a single app, and the phone's entire capacity for all apps, I believe. It may be a good phone for its currently known limitations (and the future ones that Verizon will inevitably impose on it), but it is definitely over-hyped by Google's fans (GFBs?) and Apple-haters. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer) Finally Tom gives us an answer. This one of those things like not including cut/paste in the first couple iPhone os's that makes users wonder what is going on. From forums on the web this looks like moto dropped the ball on this one since the hardware as well as android support multitouch. Multitouch does exist in the droid phone, just not where most want it most I think...the web browser. On Oct 31, 2009 6:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... multitouch, which the Droid doesn't do * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Good stuff David, I too am on CDMA and have that limitation which sucks. The 256 is an android problem and is on every android phone out there, has nothing to do with this being on verizon or being the moto droid phone. I've read some about this and have not seen anything regarding anti piracy, more concerns about removing the card when stuff is running from it. Theoretically, if someone would build an android phone with more internal memory like an iphone, all of it could be used for installs, as it stands the android is weak on internal memory which limits apps that can be installed, and the iphone is useless for external memory for expansion. This comes down to personal taste, if you are buying a phone soley for the apps, you won't be buying an android phone anyway. If you won't be missing any apps from iphone, then there is no reason to not look at this phone except it's on verizon and I'm sure they will charge for things like enabling the GPS chip as they do in their other phones. With the specs of this phones screen and it's CPU power, motorola should have built in some killer media apps, big mistake IMO that they didn't. Personally If I was with Verizon I'd wait for the sub 100 dollar eris, a solid upper mid range phone although without the physical keyboard. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: Since Mike is so desperate to find out what the Droid can't do that the iPhone can, here's two: Because the Droid is built for Verizon's mostly CDMA network, you don't have simultaneous data and voice. So you can't for example do a web search for restaurants while making dinner plans with your caller, or find a map while also getting verbal help. You can only install 256MB of applications on the dedicated hardwired flash memory and can't install them on the memory card. This is isn't a general android problem or hardware limitation, but is an imposed security/anti-piracy restriction specifically on the Droid. So this is another reason you won't have a tomtom app with it's gigabytes of maps. The iPhone limits you to 2GB for a single app, and the phone's entire capacity for all apps, I believe. It may be a good phone for its currently known limitations (and the future ones that Verizon will inevitably impose on it), but it is definitely over-hyped by Google's fans (GFBs?) and Apple-haters. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer) Finally Tom gives us an answer. This one of those things like not including cut/paste in the first couple iPhone os's that makes users wonder what is going on. From forums on the web this looks like moto dropped the ball on this one since the hardware as well as android support multitouch. Multitouch does exist in the droid phone, just not where most want it most I think...the web browser. On Oct 31, 2009 6:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... multitouch, which the Droid doesn't do * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 1, 2009, at 6:35 PM, mike wrote: I've read some about this and have not seen anything regarding anti piracy, more concerns about removing the card when stuff is running from it. Theoretically, if someone would build an android phone with more internal memory like an iphone, all of it could be used for installs, as it stands the android is weak on internal memory If, if, if... A smart phone that has less storage than my 5 year old Palm Tungsten. With a tiny apps partition like that I'm definitely not interested. I'll stick to my Palm. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:03 PM, David K Watson wrote: Since Mike is so desperate to find out what the Droid can't do that the iPhone can, here's two: It's like The Baiting Game... http://video.nytimes.com/video/playlist/technology/david-pogue/1194811622273/index.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes we know David Pogue as the AFB he is. The last word on that moto cliq even resorts to...being completely misleading if not lying. Only 2 gigs of storage she exclaims! This of course referring to the 2 gigs of storage included in the phone which is expandable to 32. I'm sure this was left out on accident and not for any other reason. This seems to be more about Pogue losing some cred than about those phones. I can't say I'll expect any serious reviews from him. BTW, any mongoloid who buys a phone they have never looked at, never read about, never used and doesn't know the network it's running on deserves every bit of aggrevation they get. What was it first? CNN fact checking SNL and now Tom leaving this link as if it has even one valid point to make. Pure entertainment and should be watched as such. And only when very bored. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:03 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:03 PM, David K Watson wrote: Since Mike is so desperate to find out what the Droid can't do that the iPhone can, here's two: It's like The Baiting Game... http://video.nytimes.com/video/playlist/technology/david-pogue/1194811622273/index.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You mean this is about as entertaining as listening to Limbaugh? Stewart At 08:44 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: Yes we know David Pogue as the AFB he is. The last word on that moto cliq even resorts to...being completely misleading if not lying. Only 2 gigs of storage she exclaims! This of course referring to the 2 gigs of storage included in the phone which is expandable to 32. I'm sure this was left out on accident and not for any other reason. This seems to be more about Pogue losing some cred than about those phones. I can't say I'll expect any serious reviews from him. BTW, any mongoloid who buys a phone they have never looked at, never read about, never used and doesn't know the network it's running on deserves every bit of aggrevation they get. What was it first? CNN fact checking SNL and now Tom leaving this link as if it has even one valid point to make. Pure entertainment and should be watched as such. And only when very bored. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The truth appears in driblets... multitouch, which the Droid doesn't do * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It will also be interesting when the next Verizon droid phone hits, the Eris, if it will have multitouch since we know the device itself does and we will find out if it is Verizon putting some weird controls in. On Oct 31, 2009 7:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Finally Tom gives us an answer. This one of those things like not including cut/paste in the first couple iPhone os's that makes users wonder what is going on. From forums on the web this looks like moto dropped the ball on this one since the hardware as well as android support multitouch. Multitouch does exist in the droid phone, just not where most want it most I think...the web browser. On Oct 31, 2009 6:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... ... * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Finally Tom gives us an answer. This one of those things like not including cut/paste in the first couple iPhone os's that makes users wonder what is going on. From forums on the web this looks like moto dropped the ball on this one since the hardware as well as android support multitouch. Multitouch does exist in the droid phone, just not where most want it most I think...the web browser. On Oct 31, 2009 6:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... multitouch, which the Droid doesn't do * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: I-66 eastbound before 10:30 AM is one. Is that really an indicator of evil, or just an example of humanity, which in and of itself may well be evil compared to the rest of the living creatures on earth. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:29 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: I-66 eastbound before 10:30 AM is one. Is that really an indicator of evil, or just an example of humanity, which in and of itself may well be evil compared to the rest of the living creatures on earth. A road into a circle. If Dante is your guide the path is pretty clear. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I checked the Greek and there is a definite article in there. it is translated as the love of money (one word old language avarice) It is a behavior or mind set. It is very hard to translate into English all the behavior instilled in a word sometimes. Also in translation they sometimes drop the definite articles where they should not be dropped. Most foreign languages use definite articles in front of words to help denote gender and tense. It was not until my studies of German, Greek, and Hebrew that I had an AH HA moment about English and the use of terms such as Definite Object and indefinite object and realized what the concept was. In the foreign languages you could see it very clearly. Stewart At 05:04 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: First off different translations. I will consult the originals. Usually the words all have a definite article (the) which English does not include so depending on the translators they either include or delete the article. Our church is a Church of the Gospel not law so we do not go after the goyim or barbarians (infidels is an Islamic term). Instead we pursue them to share with them the Good News. Stewart At 02:21 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: A root not the root. Evil has many other roots, like religion for instance. How many infidels have we killed today? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I checked the Greek and there is a definite article in there. I was not talking niceties of translation. There are many roots of evil. I expect that now you and Mike will demand that I produce a list. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Asking you to give some backing to your claim of the things missing on android is slightly different compared to asking about your philosophy of evil. You might be able to bs your way around evil like most lefties but I'd wager if you discussed android at any length greater then bashing it in vague ways, your ignorance would be made plain. On Oct 29, 2009 11:45 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I checked the Greek and there is a de... I was not talking niceties of translation. There are many roots of evil. I expect that now you and Mike will demand that I produce a list. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom look at it anyway you want. I was quoting a Biblical passage. Stewart At 01:29 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote: On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I checked the Greek and there is a definite article in there. I was not talking niceties of translation. There are many roots of evil. I expect that now you and Mike will demand that I produce a list. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Asking you to give some backing to your claim of the things missing on android is slightly different compared to asking about your philosophy of evil. You might be able to bs your way around evil like most lefties but I'd wager if you discussed android at any length greater then bashing it in vague ways, your ignorance would be made plain. On Oct 29, 2009 11:45 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I checked the Greek and there is a de... I was not talking niceties of translation. There are many roots of evil. I expect that now you and Mike will demand that I produce a list. I-66 eastbound before 10:30 AM is one. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote: What is a real gps? I am assuming you mean the iPhone doesn't have one? The iPod uses triangulation based on cell phone towers with known locations. I think this depends on getting a signal from at least 3 towers. This is better in urban areas where cell towers are plentiful and line of site to satellites is too often blocked. Advice to backwoods droids is to simply move. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:43 PM, betty wrote: ... sucky browser like Saferi Is it Safari on the iPhone you despise, or Safari in general? Safari is quite a good browser, at least on the desktop. I use FireFox, Safari, and Opera throughout the day. Each has strong and weak points, but the only browser I would call sucky is IE. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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What does droid have to do with ipod touches? On Oct 28, 2009 6:29 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote: What is a real gps? I am assuming you mean the iPhone ... The iPod uses triangulation based on cell phone towers with known locations. I think this depends on getting a signal from at least 3 towers. This is better in urban areas where cell towers are plentiful and line of site to satellites is too often blocked. Advice to backwoods droids is to simply move. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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BTW, how does the touch do this with no cellular antenna? Think it WiFi to get your location. On Oct 28, 2009 6:29 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote: What is a real gps? I am assuming you mean the iPhone ... The iPod uses triangulation based on cell phone towers with known locations. I think this depends on getting a signal from at least 3 towers. This is better in urban areas where cell towers are plentiful and line of site to satellites is too often blocked. Advice to backwoods droids is to simply move. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OK first off you are an ignorant philistine. Secondly you think (I should be careful with that concept) that because a landline phone company had coverage in this area that they had a good cell coverage at the same time. Actually they did not have good coverage down here for landline. This is not a former Bell South area. We had smaller private phone companies in this area. (Co-ops etc.) Therefore Bell South had no coverage here. (but the good thing was all landline companies were linked so you always had phone service. Chalk one up to landline.) Secondly one of the problems with ATT today is that they are the product of mergers and acquisitions of incompatible technologies that they have just in the last few years smoothed over. (read their history of acquisitions and you will see what I am talking about Bell South and ATT Mobility had incompatible services)and you will see where some of the problem comes in. Add into this Southwestern Bell (SBC Corp) who was part of all this. Verizon as I said has been shedding it's landline business to concentrate on its wireless and FIOS services. Not saying one is better, but the reason Verizon is so good down here is that it sold off its landline business down here and bought out a Cell companies's coverage. They decided to pick one area to be best in and not try and span too big an area. Also playing in the sandbox down here is Southern Link which is a part of the Southern Companies which is called a regional iDEN carrier. They have all the public service covered (police, cities, states, counties etc.) as they have a great network that includes push to talk. One of the biggest problems is that you guys have a tendency not to see beyond your own traffic loop and realize that the US is one big ass country and has a lot of spots that are just way out there. There are some areas in the west where I would not want to be a Verizon customer as they have lousy coverage. With the tightening of the Cell markets (fewer and fewer big players) we will see better coverage. However until some federal laws come about (I understand that there are a few now) that allow the cell companies to put up their towers to effect coverage. If Apple wants to sell a product they need to make sure they have the backbone to support that product. It does not make sense to roll out a product and 2 years later say we are still building out the support for that product. It seems to me that you have railed against a company that has played that game before whose name begins with M and ends with t. Oh by the way what does Apple have to do with this. They signed the agreement with ATT to sell their product and if they did not do their due diligence to make sure the network would handle their product they bear some responsibility for it. Unless you are saying they did this all for money? Naw Steve Jobs would not do that would he? Stewart At 08:33 AM 10/28/2009, you wrote: You need to take that up wit the FCC. Coverage is not Apple's responsibility. Wasn't ATT formerly called Bell South? I'm surprised that they did not take better care of you backwoods droids. I think the FCC is working hard to reverse the the predatory practices nurtured by the Bush FCC, but clearly the FCC is working too slowly for you. There will be some big battles with very rich corporations to fight. Maybe you should promote iPhone access as a basic human right? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:55 AM, mike wrote: What does droid have to do with ipod touches? Mike is dazed and confused (again). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote: What is a real gps? I am assuming you mean the iPhone doesn't have one? The iPod uses triangulation based on cell phone towers with known locations. I think this depends on getting a signal from at least 3 towers. This is better in urban areas where cell towers are plentiful and line of site to satellites is too often blocked. Advice to backwoods droids is to simply move. This might be a change on the newer models but Apple now uses the GPS satellites. According to Apple the iPhone 3GS uses Sattelites, Cell Towers and Wi-Fi locations to give location information for the GPS. http://www.apple.com/lae/iphone/features/gps.html A known fixed point in addition to the satellites can give better information than the Satellites alone.. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Oh by the way what does Apple have to do with this. They signed the agreement with ATT to sell their product and if they did not do their due diligence to make sure the network would handle their product they bear some responsibility for it. Unless you are saying they did this all for money? Naw Steve Jobs would not do that would he? Jobs better be doing it for the money or his stockholders will burn him at the stake. Recall that Apple approached Verizon first and they turned the deal down, probably because they knew their network could not take the load. ATT was willing to work with Apple so they got the deal. Apple had to take second best with a promise to improve in order to get their product to market at all. Are you trying to convince us that companies never ship products until they are 100% perfected. If that were true Windows would never have shipped at all. You backwoods droids are just going to have to suck it up and install your own femtocells. Don't be cheap now! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom was talking old touch, not iphones. On Oct 28, 2009 8:09 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike w... This might be a change on the newer models but Apple now uses the GPS satellites. According to Apple the iPhone 3GS uses Sattelites, Cell Towers and Wi-Fi locations to give location information for the GPS. http://www.apple.com/lae/iphone/features/gps.html A known fixed point in addition to the satellites can give better information than the Satellites alone.. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Maybe, I just have to stop expecting you to keep a thread straight. Or to make sense in general. On Oct 28, 2009 8:09 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:55 AM, mike wrote: What does droid have to do with ipod touches? Mike is dazed and confused (again). * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OK so you are saying Jobs is just like everyone else out to get our money? I thought Apple was the home of altruism? Verizon also did not want to be stuck with the problems. From what I understood Apple wanted everything but was willing to give nothing. Verizon said we wont play that game. So Apple approached ATT and ATT jumped at the deal because they needed a way to bring more folks in. (Sounds a lot like deceptive marketing to me). So Apple went with a second rate network to get their device on the market? I never said companies never ship stuff before they are ready but I think you are always trying to stick it to MS because of this, but never realize Apple is just as bad sometimes. (Reminds me of: Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?) Finally stop with the backwoods droid crap. I am not sure you caught the philistine comment, but just because we are not citified does not mean we are not acculturated. Again you just fulfill most of the expectations we have from Mac Fan boys of being out of touch with reality and culture snobs. Stewart At 10:01 AM 10/28/2009, you wrote: Jobs better be doing it for the money or his stockholders will burn him at the stake. Recall that Apple approached Verizon first and they turned the deal down, probably because they knew their network could not take the load. ATT was willing to work with Apple so they got the deal. Apple had to take second best with a promise to improve in order to get their product to market at all. Are you trying to convince us that companies never ship products until they are 100% perfected. If that were true Windows would never have shipped at all. You backwoods droids are just going to have to suck it up and install your own femtocells. Don't be cheap now! Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom you will get a kick out of this one. http://earthlink.com.com/8301-17852_3-10384706-71.html?part=earthlink Stewart At 10:02 AM 10/28/2009, you wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:55 AM, mike wrote: What does droid have to do with ipod touches? Mike is dazed and confused (again). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:17 AM, mike wrote: Maybe, I just have to stop expecting you to keep a thread straight. Or to make sense in general. Just quit banging your head on the table. Maybe if you owned a Mac? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: http://earthlink.com.com/8301-17852_3-10384706-71.html?part=earthlink Funny. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: OK so you are saying Jobs is just like everyone else out to get our money? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8A5GmrrwG0 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
I do...and three ipods. On Oct 28, 2009 10:42 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:17 AM, mike wrote: Maybe, I just have to stop expecting you to keep a th... Just quit banging your head on the table. Maybe if you owned a Mac? * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Verizon also did not want to be stuck with the problems. From what I understood Apple wanted everything but was willing to give nothing. Verizon said we wont play that game. So Apple approached ATT and ATT jumped at the deal because they needed a way to bring more folks in. (Sounds a lot like deceptive marketing to me). So Apple went with a second rate network to get their device on the market? And revolutionized the cell phone industry by doing so. Years later the industry is still playing catch up and carping about it. You can keep your Windows Mobile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Finally stop with the backwoods droid crap. You want the gummnt to buy you a femtocell? I think not. This is a choice you made. Its like the client who moved to the boonies to get low rent and then bellyaches that I charge them for travel time. You bet I charge them for travel time. It is a choice they made. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
The love of money is the root of all evil. Stewart At 12:47 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: OK so you are saying Jobs is just like everyone else out to get our money? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8A5GmrrwG0 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
It is an it isn't. I chose the profession the profession has led me to these places. So it is not just a single choice. One big difference I don't get to call the financial shots. Again the profession wins out. Stewart At 12:56 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: You want the gummnt to buy you a femtocell? I think not. This is a choice you made. Its like the client who moved to the boonies to get low rent and then bellyaches that I charge them for travel time. You bet I charge them for travel time. It is a choice they made. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Oct 28, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: It is an it isn't. I chose the profession the profession has led me to these places. Maybe a Wall Street investment bank is need of a chaplain? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: The love of money is the root of all evil. A root not the root. Evil has many other roots, like religion for instance. How many infidels have we killed today? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Tom was talking old touch, not iphones. No the question Tom answered was- What is a real gps? I am assuming you mean the iPhone doesn't have one? Why is the name cheese would anyone associate a wifi only device with GPS using cell phone towers? The iPod touch uses known locations of wifi hotspots. It is an urban only GPS. On Oct 28, 2009 8:09 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike w... This might be a change on the newer models but Apple now uses the GPS satellites. According to Apple the iPhone 3GS uses Sattelites, Cell Towers and Wi-Fi locations to give location information for the GPS. http://www.apple.com/lae/iphone/features/gps.html A known fixed point in addition to the satellites can give better information than the Satellites alone.. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: It is an it isn't. I chose the profession the profession has led me to these places. Maybe a Wall Street investment bank is need of a chaplain? I'd recommend an exorcist first. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
First off different translations. I will consult the originals. Usually the words all have a definite article (the) which English does not include so depending on the translators they either include or delete the article. Our church is a Church of the Gospel not law so we do not go after the goyim or barbarians (infidels is an Islamic term). Instead we pursue them to share with them the Good News. Stewart At 02:21 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: A root not the root. Evil has many other roots, like religion for instance. How many infidels have we killed today? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Or a good delousing. Stewart At 03:55 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: It is an it isn't. I chose the profession the profession has led me to these places. Maybe a Wall Street investment bank is need of a chaplain? I'd recommend an exorcist first. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Rev. Stewart Marshall trying to drag this back to 'puters - sort of Verizon also did not want to be stuck with the problems. From what I understood Apple wanted everything but was willing to give nothing. Verizon said we wont play that game. I'm not so sure that it wasn't more that Verizon and Apple wanted opposite ends of the control spectrum. They both wanted to control the platform, I don't know who walked or if ATT wanted the same thing and blinked first. So Apple approached ATT and ATT jumped at the deal because they needed a way to bring more folks in. (Sounds a lot like deceptive marketing to me). How much worse was ATT's network that Verizon's at the iPhone intro? As I understand it, the iPhone eats data service like candy. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Whip me, beat me, make me write BASIC! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: How much worse was ATT's network that Verizon's at the iPhone intro? As I understand it, the iPhone eats data service like candy. Precisely. Bandwidth-guzzling iPhone called Hummer of cellphones http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/03/bandwidth_guzzling_iphone_called_hummer_of_cellphones.html The average iPhone user reportedly consumes 10 times the bandwidth of a typical smartphone user... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
It does, it would have tested the capacity of any network, but verizon's 3g covers a much larger swathe then and now compared to ATT. There have been articles out about with the new smartphones coming out, phones less painful to browse the web, that all the networks are going to be pushed. On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt way...@panix.com wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall trying to drag this back to 'puters - sort of Verizon also did not want to be stuck with the problems. From what I understood Apple wanted everything but was willing to give nothing. Verizon said we wont play that game. I'm not so sure that it wasn't more that Verizon and Apple wanted opposite ends of the control spectrum. They both wanted to control the platform, I don't know who walked or if ATT wanted the same thing and blinked first. So Apple approached ATT and ATT jumped at the deal because they needed a way to bring more folks in. (Sounds a lot like deceptive marketing to me). How much worse was ATT's network that Verizon's at the iPhone intro? As I understand it, the iPhone eats data service like candy. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Whip me, beat me, make me write BASIC! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Precisely and Verizon is still building theirs out in anticipation of that event (notice not as a result of that) Verizon is really pushing their smart phones and now only charges 29.95 a month for an unlimited (well 5gb) data plan. Stewart At 08:06 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: It does, it would have tested the capacity of any network, but verizon's 3g covers a much larger swathe then and now compared to ATT. There have been articles out about with the new smartphones coming out, phones less painful to browse the web, that all the networks are going to be pushed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Wow Stewart, you almost achieved superstardom with your OK first off you are an ignorant philistine. Great! Not so good here. Apple wanted worldwide sales for the iPhone. Verizon doesn't do GSM, but Apple wanted them to do that to get the iPhone. Verizon doesn't get the iPhone without GSM. I might want it wth my T-Mo account, but special features disappear when the phone's unlocked. ATT set up a lot of special features as part of the contract. So get something else and use a Touch, or not. What's the big deal? It's only a phone. OK so you are saying Jobs is just like everyone else out to get our money? I thought Apple was the home of altruism? Verizon also did not want to be stuck with the problems. From what I understood Apple wanted everything but was willing to give nothing. Verizon said we wont play that game. So Apple approached ATT and ATT jumped at the deal because they needed a way to bring more folks in. (Sounds a lot like deceptive marketing to me). So Apple went with a second rate network to get their device on the market? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Verizon is selling some multi band phones for that purpose. I did and I plan on it. I am dumping my PDA and will end up with a Netbook. Much more useful. Stewart At 08:18 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: Wow Stewart, you almost achieved superstardom with your OK first off you are an ignorant philistine. Great! Not so good here. Apple wanted worldwide sales for the iPhone. Verizon doesn't do GSM, but Apple wanted them to do that to get the iPhone. Verizon doesn't get the iPhone without GSM. I might want it wth my T-Mo account, but special features disappear when the phone's unlocked. ATT set up a lot of special features as part of the contract. So get something else and use a Touch, or not. What's the big deal? It's only a phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Oct 26, 2009, at 5:37 PM, mike wrote: One of the new Verizon ads makes fun of 'there is an app for that' by showing a Verizon map app that shows their 3g coverage compared to the lack of with ATT. Apples biggest weakness has always been their poor network partner, and now with the android phones that are out and coming soon, there are phones that will offer good choices. I have read that the big problem at Verizon was that they did not anticipate how much more traffic would be generated by iPhones and they have been playing catch up ever since. I hear that Verizon's latest buildout has significantly improved things in some areas that previously had poor service. What makes you think that ATT will hot now suffer the same capacity problems that Verizon experienced? I bet that if the Driod turns out to be anywhere near as successful as the iPhone then ATT will start to suffer from the same capacity problems. Also, Verizon is laughing all the way to the bank. A significant portion of their revenues are attributed to the iPhone. They have the cash and big incentive to continue to build out. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Did we make a mistake and switch Verizon for ATT? One of the mistakes ATT also made was touting their coverage. What the ads did say but in very small print was that they were talking global coverage. Verizon has a much bigger footprint in the US than ATT but they have done that by shedding their landline business and concentrating on Cellular service. Verizon also would not capitulate to Apple demands in carrying the Iphone. ATT is laughing all the way to the bank as they are gaining customers due to the Iphone, but now they have to build out the network for it. Kind of the opposite way it should have been done. Also what will happen to ATT when they loose their exclusive deal? Will customers flock to other carriers to get better coverage? Stewart At 10:40 AM 10/27/2009, you wrote: I have read that the big problem at Verizon was that they did not anticipate how much more traffic would be generated by iPhones and they have been playing catch up ever since. I hear that Verizon's latest buildout has significantly improved things in some areas that previously had poor service. What makes you think that ATT will hot now suffer the same capacity problems that Verizon experienced? I bet that if the Driod turns out to be anywhere near as successful as the iPhone then ATT will start to suffer from the same capacity problems. Also, Verizon is laughing all the way to the bank. A significant portion of their revenues are attributed to the iPhone. They have the cash and big incentive to continue to build out. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Also what will happen to ATT when they loose their exclusive deal? Will customers flock to other carriers to get better coverage? Good point. Bloggers who were ready to switch to Droid said never mind after suddenly finding ATT service much improved. They put up with ATT because the iPhone was so superlative. With ATT improving, iPhone loyalty will get stronger and stronger. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It will be a while till it really improves. Unless you live in the city ATT coverages sucks. One of my members went with ATT to specifically get an Iphone. Left them within the 30 day window as reception was so lousy in and around us. (Back to Verizon and he will probably be one of the first to get a Droid phone) I recently dropped my smartphone and went with an updated cell phone which can get email and surf web in 99% of the area I travel in. I cant do that with ATT around here, unless I stick to the highway (My house is 3 miles from the main Hwy.) ATT has a long way to go to really improve their coverage area. But then again I know they don't really care about me and the area I live in because it is not a high income high demand area. So when they loose exclusive coverage they might have actually improved their coverage area, but will have ticked folks off so much they will be ready to go with someone else. By that time there will probably be only 2-3 cell phone companies anyway. Stewart At 11:58 AM 10/27/2009, you wrote: Good point. Bloggers who were ready to switch to Droid said never mind after suddenly finding ATT service much improved. They put up with ATT because the iPhone was so superlative. With ATT improving, iPhone loyalty will get stronger and stronger. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Left them within the 30 day window as reception was so lousy in and around us. (Back to Verizon and he will probably be one of the first to get a Droid phone) Can we call it a backwoods droid? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Nope we call it, That dog wont hunt Basically you can have all the eye candy you want, it can mix drinks as far as we care, but if it cannot get the job done and wont allow the work we want to get done then it is not worth the effort so that dog wont hunt. Right now the Iphone is a lot of eye candy, it has a lot of apps, and is really neat, but for the real people who work and need to get work done who live in rural America (Which is still a good chunk of the population) the Iphone is a useless piece of eye candy. The network is not large enough, it does not have enough coverage and is not useable enough for those folks. Usually a lot of the discussions here are those type of discussions. I grew up in the city, and went to school in the city. But since graduating from the Seminary 27 years ago, the largest town I have lived in has been 14,000 people. I have lived in villages. or townships that had less than 1000 population. (Yeah those places still exist) and had to listen to the big city pastors talk about all that they had offered to them in the city. I still get to listen to some of it but not as much because in the south there are very few places that have major metropolitan areas. (There are a few but they are highly concentrated) Most areas in between are very lean and sparse. (As it is also with the Midwest, which you coasties call fly over country) So talk the big story of how great the Apple Iphone really is, but until it becomes a real work horse, it really is eye candy for those who have bucks to spend. Stewart At 02:50 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Left them within the 30 day window as reception was so lousy in and around us. (Back to Verizon and he will probably be one of the first to get a Droid phone) Can we call it a backwoods droid? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
iPhone or Android? How about neither. Antennas and reception are very important for me as are WiFi, browsing, email, basic camera, VOIP. iPhones have lousy antennas and pathetic cameras [sshhh, Chad, Nokia ain't no Leica or Kolsch, but at least they use Zeiss lenses and autofocus w/LED flash, not bad for a phone]. Droid depends on the quality of the phones, since it's the OS not the phone. I'll take Nokia N-series or E-series over both any day. At least I'll be able to find a network when I need one, and I won't be stuck with a sucky browser like Saferi. The iPod touch gives me most of the app toys, and Nokia uses a real GPS along with its superior phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
That dog hunts! :-) Stewart At 09:43 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote: iPhone or Android? How about neither. Antennas and reception are very important for me as are WiFi, browsing, email, basic camera, VOIP. iPhones have lousy antennas and pathetic cameras [sshhh, Chad, Nokia ain't no Leica or Kolsch, but at least they use Zeiss lenses and autofocus w/LED flash, not bad for a phone]. Droid depends on the quality of the phones, since it's the OS not the phone. I'll take Nokia N-series or E-series over both any day. At least I'll be able to find a network when I need one, and I won't be stuck with a sucky browser like Saferi. The iPod touch gives me most of the app toys, and Nokia uses a real GPS along with its superior phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102600648.html In a religious sense, the iPhone is a monotheistic religion. Basically, its OS believes in one device. Yes, I know there is the iPod touch, as well as variations of the iPhone (original, 3G, 3GS), but these are essentially all the same device with essentially the same hardware, just boosted specs. Meanwhile, Android, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, Symbian, etc. are all polytheists. But pagans, while perhaps not exactly right, is a cooler term, so let's go with that. All of these other mobile OSes are pagans. They answer to many devices, their gods. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Nice try but it's members act more like they belong to a sect than a mainline denomination. Stewart At 09:00 AM 10/26/2009, you wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102600648.html In a religious sense, the iPhone is a monotheistic religion. Basically, its OS believes in one device. Yes, I know there is the iPod touch, as well as variations of the iPhone (original, 3G, 3GS), but these are essentially all the same device with essentially the same hardware, just boosted specs. Meanwhile, Android, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, Symbian, etc. are all polytheists. But pagans, while perhaps not exactly right, is a cooler term, so let's go with that. All of these other mobile OSes are pagans. They answer to many devices, their gods. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
So, he's saying iPhone::iPod Touch::iPhone OS=father::son::holy ghost ? On a topic more related to the article, remember the YouTube Droid commercial (at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYM- XTqcecfeature=player_embedded) that was discussed here last week? I saw it on live TV this weekend. I thought it was all wrong when I saw it on the web, and I can't believe that they didn't fix it for TV distribution. It starts by playing an upbeat tune (with the lyrics Oh, it's magic) with brightly colored text messages saying things like iDon't have a real keyboard, iDon't have multitasking, etc., up to All the things iDon't have which is followed by the classic scifi/spy movie signal hijack sequence that takes us to an dark background with a ominous robot voice saying Droid Does. When you see this kind of thing in a horror movie advertisement, it makes you want to go see the movie about the scary thing, but it doesn't make you want to have the scary thing happen to you. Similarly, this commercial may make you want to find out more about Droid (and iPhone) but leaves you with the feeling that you want an iPhone and not a Droid. They should have reversed the visual and aural feeling for both segments of their commercial and make it more like the heroic rescuer movie advertisement, where everything is dark and somber (iPhone) and when it seems that there is no hope, a hero appears (Droid). As it is, their message is mixed and the net result is that they are probably actually selling iPhones. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102600648.html In a religious sense, the iPhone is a monotheistic religion. Basically, its OS believes in one device. Yes, I know there is the iPod touch, as well as variations of the iPhone (original, 3G, 3GS), but these are essentially all the same device with essentially thesame hardware, just boosted specs. Meanwhile, Android, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, Symbian, etc. are all polytheists. But pagans, while perhaps not exactly right, is a cooler term, so let's go with that. All of these other mobile OSes are pagans. They answer to many devices, their gods. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
I see it completely different. The front end represents that cutesy little iphone your friends might have. A nice toy but if you want a real phone for a grown up? Go droid. Just because you think horror movie doesn't mean everyone does, I know I didn't, none of my friends did. To the ones I've spoken to about it, the message was pretty clear and they were positive about it, even the iPhone users I know. There has been that undercurrent among some of those that don't like apple, that they produce toys. Ever hear the joke about Steve Jobs and his fisher price OS? I think this ad is playing on that. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:20 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: So, he's saying iPhone::iPod Touch::iPhone OS=father::son::holy ghost ? On a topic more related to the article, remember the YouTube Droid commercial (at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYM-XTqcecfeature=player_embedded) that was discussed here last week? I saw it on live TV this weekend. I thought it was all wrong when I saw it on the web, and I can't believe that they didn't fix it for TV distribution. It starts by playing an upbeat tune (with the lyrics Oh, it's magic) with brightly colored text messages saying things like iDon't have a real keyboard, iDon't have multitasking, etc., up to All the things iDon't have which is followed by the classic scifi/spy movie signal hijack sequence that takes us to an dark background with a ominous robot voice saying Droid Does. When you see this kind of thing in a horror movie advertisement, it makes you want to go see the movie about the scary thing, but it doesn't make you want to have the scary thing happen to you. Similarly, this commercial may make you want to find out more about Droid (and iPhone) but leaves you with the feeling that you want an iPhone and not a Droid. They should have reversed the visual and aural feeling for both segments of their commercial and make it more like the heroic rescuer movie advertisement, where everything is dark and somber (iPhone) and when it seems that there is no hope, a hero appears (Droid). As it is, their message is mixed and the net result is that they are probably actually selling iPhones. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102600648.html In a religious sense, the iPhone is a monotheistic religion. Basically, its OS believes in one device. Yes, I know there is the iPod touch, as well as variations of the iPhone (original, 3G, 3GS), but these are essentially all the same device with essentially thesame hardware, just boosted specs. Meanwhile, Android, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, Symbian, etc. are all polytheists. But pagans, while perhaps not exactly right, is a cooler term, so let's go with that. All of these other mobile OSes are pagans. They answer to many devices, their gods. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:23 PM, mike wrote: I see it completely different. The front end represents that cutesy little iphone your friends might have. A nice toy but if you want a real phone for a grown up? Go droid. So Droid is for people who went to see Saw this weekend? Or people who want to star in Saw? It is an evil sounding name. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Only you could think r2d2 and c3po are evil. Being a MAC user, my little pony is probably more your speed. On Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:23 PM, mike wrote: I see it completely different. The front end represent... So Droid is for people who went to see Saw this weekend? Or people who want to star in Saw? It is an evil sounding name. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:09 PM, mike wrote: Only you could think r2d2 and c3po are evil. Being a MAC user, my little pony is probably more your speed. I can definitely see the connection between Windows and Saw. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:20 PM, David K Watson wrote: They should have reversed the visual and aural feeling for both segments of their commercial and make it more like the heroic rescuer movie advertisement, where everything is dark and somber (iPhone) and when it seems that there is no hope, a hero appears (Droid). But that would not work at all. Just play yourself a couple of iPhone ads. Make a list of all the cool things that Apple has demonstrated how to do easily with the iPhone. It is all sweetness and light. They have made There's an app for that into a trademark. People know that there are 50,000 apps and that competing smart phones will have something between 5 and 50 apps. None of the claimed defects are on people's must have lists. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Sounds like the argument to use Windows...it has more apps! One of the new Verizon ads makes fun of 'there is an app for that' by showing a Verizon map app that shows their 3g coverage compared to the lack of with ATT. Apples biggest weakness has always been their poor network partner, and now with the android phones that are out and coming soon, there are phones that will offer good choices. There are things on that list iPhone users want despite what you want to make up. Open development and true multitasking are two of them. On Oct 26, 2009 2:13 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:20 PM, David K Watson wrote: They should have reversed the visual and aura... But that would not work at all. Just play yourself a couple of iPhone ads. Make a list of all the cool things that Apple has demonstrated how to do easily with the iPhone. It is all sweetness and light. They have made There's an app for that into a trademark. People know that there are 50,000 apps and that competing smart phones will have something between 5 and 50 apps. None of the claimed defects are on people's must have lists. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
