Re: [css-d] looks good in IE but not netscape/firefox

2006-12-18 Thread mindy
That worked - thanks scott!


~Mindy
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---Original Message---
From: Scott Swabey
Subject: Re: [css-d] looks good in IE but not netscape/firefox
Sent: 18 Dec '06 09:21

On 18/12/06, MINDY [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Hopefully you all can point out the something simple I'm missing. It's
the
same old song- the site is [LINK: [LINK: http://www.reelief.com/test]
http://www.reelief.com/test]
[LINK: http://www.reelief.com/test] http://www.reelief.com/test It looks
fine in IE but in netscape/firefox
ect. the main box is dropped to low on the page.
Hi Mindy

You have declared clear:both on the #main div. Remove this, or set it to
clear:none; and all should be good.

Regards

Scott
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[css-d] Negative background position: pixels work, percent doesn't...?

2006-12-18 Thread Stephanie Leary
Ran into a bizarre problem over the weekend. The goal of this page is to
combine a nav menu with progress meters for a funding campaign. After much
fiddling with stacking things, I realized the simplest way to do it would be
to set a background image on each list item, and move it to the left by
whatever amount has not been funded.

Example:
http://stephanieleary.net/progress-test/

For goal #10, I tried
background-position: -76% 50%;

...but it doesn't work. If I do the math and specify the pixels, it does:
background-position: -152px 50%;

(Actually, that doesn't work in Safari either, but I'm willing to deal with
Safari later.)

Why won't the percentage work?


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Web Communications Specialist
The Texas AM University System
tamus.edu

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Re: [css-d] IE7 problem with my site - www.pain.ro

2006-12-18 Thread ~davidLaakso
~davidLaakso wrote:
 Devon Miller wrote:
   
 Daniel Petre wrote:
   
 
 hello, anyone can guide me to a hack regarding viewing my page (
 http://www.pain.ro ) the right way in IE7 ?
 
   

 Best,
 ~dL


   
{previous message trimmed]

You may need this with it, too... who knows? :-)
#navcontainer ul li { /*z-index: 1;*/display: inline; }
~d

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Re: [css-d] Problems with scrolling table in IE7

2006-12-18 Thread Adrian Williams
George,

   Thanks for the information!  As best as I can tell, the problem is 
that in IE6 and before, the htmlbody was used to hide the style 
declarations from IEand now, IE 7 can see them??

   In other words, IE6 and before will see this:

div.tableContainer table {
margin: 0 -16px 0 0;
width: 100%;
}

   but it will blow right by this??

htmlbody div.tableContainer table {
margin: 0;
}

   which in that example is fine since both have the margin: 0but in 
this case.

htmlbody tbody.scrollContent {
height: 426px;
overflow: auto;
width: 100%
}

   there is no definition for tbody.scrollContent{}, so is that what is 
causing my table to jack up?  And if so, what's the proper fix here...do 
I need to do a version check in my page --[if IE7]-- and if it is then 
define the tbody.scrollContent{} just for IE7? And, what should that now 
be...anything different??

   I am still learning quite a bit about CSS and appreciate the help.

Adrian


George Ornbo wrote:
 On 12/18/06, *Adrian Williams* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Y'all,

 With the introduction of the fixes in IE 7, the CSS-based
 scrolling tables (based on the original CSS written by Terence Ordona)
 that I have in my site are now hosed in IE 7...

 http://williams.genealogy.fm/results_page.php

 I think it has something to do with the way IE7 now handles the
 htmlbody declaration but am not sure what I need to do to correct the
 problem.  Can anyone help me learn/figure out what now needs to be
 added
 to the CSS to allow IE7 to render the tables correctly???


 Many thanks!
 Adrian
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 Hi Adrian

 You are right . IE7 doesn't like html  body.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/10/12/480242.aspx 
 http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/10/12/480242.aspx

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Re: [css-d] Problems with scrolling table in IE7

2006-12-18 Thread Devon Miller
On 12/18/06, George Ornbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/18/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Y'all,
 
  With the introduction of the fixes in IE 7, the CSS-based
  scrolling tables (based on the original CSS written by Terence Ordona)
  that I have in my site are now hosed in IE 7...
 
  http://williams.genealogy.fm/results_page.php
 
  I think it has something to do with the way IE7 now handles the
  htmlbody declaration but am not sure what I need to do to correct the
  problem.  Can anyone help me learn/figure out what now needs to be added
  to the CSS to allow IE7 to render the tables correctly???
 
 
  Many thanks!
  Adrian
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 Hi Adrian

 You are right . IE7 doesn't like html  body.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/10/12/480242.aspx

More correctly, IE7 doesn't ignore html  body.
Try replacing :
htmlbody div.tableContainer
with
html* body div.tableContainer

That will make it visible to ie6, but not ie7

dcm
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[css-d] Background Image Padding/Margin problem

2006-12-18 Thread Michael Stevens
http://www.bctarizona.com/test/
http://www.bctarizona.com/test/bct.css
 
The easy problem: Margins/Padding on the content DIV. I've tried several
different ways but none are giving me equal margins on the content. Ideally,
I want 10px padding on the content. I'm sure the problem is one of the
margin doubling or collapsing problems but I can't figure it out.
 
The hard problem: I decided to make this layout a little elastic giving
the body a min-width of 735px. I assigned the header DIV a background image
which will be the left image in the header that is missing while the right
image which is present will float around depending on the width of the
browswer. Why is this background image not showing up in my header DIV?
 
Thanks,
 
Mike


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[css-d] last-child problems....

2006-12-18 Thread Adrian Williams
Y'all,

   Here I am again!! Still working thru problems in my style sheet and 
the newest is this:

tbody.scrollContent td:last-child {
padding-right: 19px; }

thead.fixedHeader th:last-child {
padding-right: 19px; }

   Not really sure what the problem is but the validation tool  comes 
back with  Unknown pseudo-element or pseudo-class :last-child and it 
is causing some serious nightmarish activity with my results 
table...causing the columns to go haywire on their widthsand I know 
that it is the culprit because when I comment out those two lines, the 
table is perfect...or as close to perfect as one can expect!

   And ideas what I am doing wrong this time?!?!

Adrian
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[css-d] Community view point for CSS on font size

2006-12-18 Thread Information - Abyss
Dear Community,


What is the communities view point on CSS font-size property? should it be in 
pt (point) or px (pixel) measurements?

Personally I design in pt - but I would just like to get the view point of 
other developers and the reason behind why they use it.

Regards
Abyss
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Re: [css-d] positions of LI in a UL

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, Santiago Restrepo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[trimmed]
 I have a wide UL (width 200px) with LI that are smallers (150px). Now the
 problem is that i want those LI to stick with the right side of the UL.

 here's a little example
 http://www.utp.edu.co/Nuev/contprueba.php
 the column i'm trying to style is the left one. The light gray area
 represents the UL and you can see that the items inside of it are attached
 to the right border.

If you are trying to replicate your table technique (which doesn't
work too well between IE and Firefox/Opera, btw), try the following:

style type=text/css
ul#menu {
list-style: none;
background-color: #CC;
width: 200px;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
ul#menu li {
background-color: #E7E7E7;
border: 1px solid #B8C4F1;
margin-left: 50px;
padding: 0;
}
/style

html
ul id=menu
lia href=#Item 1/a/li
lia href=#Item 2/a/li
lia href=#Item 3/a/li
/ul
/html

Obviously, you will need to style other items like the anchors. I'd
also recommend including a DOCTYPE in your HTML, so that you get
reliable treatment across various internet browsers.

HTH
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Re: [css-d] Community view point for CSS on font size

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, Information - Abyss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What is the communities view point on CSS font-size property? should it be 
 in pt (point) or px (pixel) measurements?

Personally, I always design using 'em' units, wherever (and whenever)
possible. I have found that this unit of measurement allows for the
most fluid change in layouts, based on the user's type size preference
(in their internet browser of choice).

Failing that, I guess that I'd use pixels for
screen/projection/handheld and points for print.

 Personally I design in pt - but I would just like to get the view point of 
 other developers and the reason behind why they use it.

PostScript points are a unit of measurement for print, not for screen
usage. I've always avoided using print units - even after browsers
started handling them better (circa 2002/3).
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[css-d] Positioning an image class ?

2006-12-18 Thread Ianvaughan1979
I am trying to get the advert block (.ads) to display about 30px down  the 
maincontent div but have the text  run alongside the advert  contained with the 
ads class.
 
At the moment however the .ads advert displays after the text in  maincontent
 
Any ideas?
 
 
#wrapper
{
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0;
border: 2px  black;
width: 951px;
background: #ff;
}
 
#maincontent
{
background: #ff;
color: #00;
width:  440px;
margin-left: 225px;
line-height: 130%;
margin-top:  40px;
border-top: 2px black;
margin-right: 200px;
}
 
.ads 
{ 
float: right;
display: block;
width: 250px ;  
height: 280px ; 
vertical-align: middle ; 
text-align: center ;  
background: #fff url(adlink.gif) no-repeat 50% 2% }
 
div id=wrapper
 
div id=maincontent
 
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Curae; Praesent hendrerit iaculis arcu/p

pante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere  cubilia 
Curae; Praesent hendrerit iaculis arcu/p
 
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Curae; Praesent hendrerit iaculis arcu/p
 
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Curae; Praesent hendrerit iaculis arcu/p
 
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Curae; Praesent hendrerit iaculis arcu/p
 
 
div class=ads
/br
img  src=advert.gif   alt=Advert/
/div
 
/div
 
/div

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Re: [css-d] Community view point for CSS on font size

2006-12-18 Thread L. Robinson
Information - Abyss wrote:
 What is the communities view point on CSS font-size property?

I'd go with ems. Please see Sizing Text (and all kinds of other CSS 
tips) on the list Wiki: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/

Regards,

Lori
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Re: [css-d] Negative background position: pixels work, percent doesn't...?

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, Stephanie Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Example:
 http://stephanieleary.net/progress-test/

 For goal #10, I tried
 background-position: -76% 50%;

 ...but it doesn't work. If I do the math and specify the pixels, it does:
 background-position: -152px 50%;

 (Actually, that doesn't work in Safari either, but I'm willing to deal with
 Safari later.)

 Why won't the percentage work?

Given that the 'Sliding Doors' (and many others of a similar nature)
technique is based on images with positioned graphics, it makes sense
to use an absolute measurement based on the original image. Percentage
usage on a cross-browser basis gives *very* varied mileage, as well.

You could use a script action to do the calculation of the exact
positioning value of the background-image, given the intended result.

IMO, of course. :)
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Re: [css-d] Positioning an image class ?

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am trying to get the advert block (.ads) to display about 30px down  the
 maincontent div but have the text  run alongside the advert  contained with 
 the
 ads class.

 At the moment however the .ads advert displays after the text in  maincontent

If you put the div.ads above the the text content, it will display
correctly. Here is how the html content could flow:

#wrapper
#maincontent
.ads
text content

HTH
-- 
Cheers,
Sasha
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Re: [css-d] Positioning an image class ?

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 However at present I have image1.gif but what I would like is for the text
 to wrap around the advert like in image2.gif.

You would need to have the div.ads container appear in the html flow
after those two paragraph containers.
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Re: [css-d] weird image things going on

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, Ivan Porto Carrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a page that has moving parts (in an accordion type of widget)

 Inside this page I have a button that popups up a calendar widget.

 Now when I don't put an accordion around it (or i don't collapse a div
 via javascript or anything) the page looks fine

 However when I start hiding and showing things the images get all
 screwed up they don't know where they have to be etc.

 This only happens on IE btw

 Is this some well-known bug that i might have missed ?

Have you got an online example of this issue?
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[css-d] The clip property - what's the logic behind it?

2006-12-18 Thread Rafael Holt
Hi all,

I've been playing with clip recently and it seems to me the spec is a bit
counter-intuitive. It is particularly irritating if you are clipping
non-fixed width elements because if you don't want it to be clipped on the
right, you have to specify its width for that value. Surely it would be more
logical for each value to represent how much is clipped from that edge of
the rectangle? For example:

clip:rect(10px 100px 80px 20px);

If the element to be clipped is 100px x 80px, this will cause it to be
clipped to an area 70px x 80px, where it is clipped 10px at the top and 20px
on the left. This is fine, but why should it be necessary to specify 100px
for the right and 80px for the bottom? It seems to me it would be more
sensible for these values to be 0 to achieve this effect. It's easier to get
your head around.

Also, why is it that it applies only to absolutely positioned elements? Why
not relatively positioned ones?

Cheers,

Rafael
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Re: [css-d] last-child problems....

2006-12-18 Thread Adrian Williams
Sasha,

Yes, I agree...I have gone thru and cleaned up the html and passed 
the XHTML 1.0 validation. 

I have also re-enabled the last-child declares so that you can see 
what they are doing in the code...

http://www.familydna.net/williams/results_page.php

And here is the same page and same code but with the last-child 
declares remarked out

http://www.familydna.net/williams/NEWresults_page.php

My primary browser is FF but I also need to get this working 
correctly in both IE6 and IE7.

Thanks in advance for the help!!

Adrian

Sasha Gerrand wrote:
 On 19/12/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not really sure what the problem is but the validation tool  comes
 back with  Unknown pseudo-element or pseudo-class :last-child and it
 is causing some serious nightmarish activity with my results
 table...causing the columns to go haywire on their widthsand I know
 that it is the culprit because when I comment out those two lines, the
 table is perfect...or as close to perfect as one can expect!

 FWIW: I would seriously recommend using valid HTML markup before
 correcting errors in your CSS declarations.

 I'm assuming that those errors reported by the CSS validation tool you
 are using are occuring because you are validating against CSS 2.1 or
 below. The pseudo-element 'last-child' does not exist until CSS 3[1].

 HTH

 [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/

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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Community view point for CSS on font size

2006-12-18 Thread Bob Easton
Information - Abyss wrote:
 Dear Community,
 
 
 What is the communities view point on CSS font-size property? should it be 
 in pt (point) or px (pixel) measurements?
 

Lori Robinson suggested reviewing the material in our list WIKI (address 
at the bottom of every posting). There is sufficient material in the 
WIKI, and in the list archives, that we need not rehash the discussion 
here yet again.

This thread stops now.

-- 
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Re: [css-d] last-child problems....

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, Adrian Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, I agree...I have gone thru and cleaned up the html and passed
 the XHTML 1.0 validation.

 I have also re-enabled the last-child declares so that you can see
 what they are doing in the code...

 http://www.familydna.net/williams/results_page.php

 And here is the same page and same code but with the last-child
 declares remarked out

 http://www.familydna.net/williams/NEWresults_page.php

 My primary browser is FF but I also need to get this working
 correctly in both IE6 and IE7.

 Thanks in advance for the help!!

I don't actually see the problem that you describe in IE6 and don't
have a copy of IE7 handy. Given that the results tables are being
generated out of PHP, why not have the last table header/cell
generated with a 'last' class (or something similar)?
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Re: [css-d] weird image things going on

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, Ivan Porto Carrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The pages are generated with a ruby like technology so i copied the html into 
 2 files and made those available.

 I can't give a simplified example because then it works as expected.

 The forms are done using the pretty accessible forms template

 #form
   #fieldset
 #ol
 #li
 Label + input


 You should be able to see something at 
 http://office.flanders.co.nz/testlist.htm and 
 http://office.flanders.co.nz/test.htm

 The testlist page shows the behaviour when you expand the schedule panel of 
 the accordion
 If you then click on the close link (which should get a different text) 
 you'll see that the calendar icon is put out of place.
 If you expand and collapse the schedule panel you will see the behaviour 
 occurring again

 This happens also when put things inside a div inside the li.

 The test.htm has a button that has exactly the same behaviour in the schedule 
 panel.

 The surest way to experience the full bug is to use IE6 :)

Sorry - I'm getting a broken TCP/IP connection to your nominated
server! I'll see if I can get into a New Zealand-based SSH host and
see the page from there.
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Sasha
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Re: [css-d] weird image things going on

2006-12-18 Thread ~davidLaakso

 On 19/12/06, Ivan Porto Carrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I have a page that has moving parts (in an accordion type of widget)

 Inside this page I have a button that popups up a calendar widget.

 Now when I don't put an accordion around it (or i don't collapse a div
 via javascript or anything) the page looks fine
 

The page takes a very long time to load. It is not xhtml. See: 
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/stuff.xhtml.
Validate.
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[css-d] Strange IE Printing Result

2006-12-18 Thread Mohsen Saboorian
Hi,
I have an HTML page, with 2 CSS, one for screen media and the other
for print. The page contains a list of divs, each one has a dashed
border-bottom. When I print the HTML, just borders of the first page
are dashed, and on other pages the border changes to solid.

Is it a known bug in IE?

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Re: [css-d] Strange IE Printing Result

2006-12-18 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 19/12/06, Mohsen Saboorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 I have an HTML page, with 2 CSS, one for screen media and the other
 for print. The page contains a list of divs, each one has a dashed
 border-bottom. When I print the HTML, just borders of the first page
 are dashed, and on other pages the border changes to solid.

 Is it a known bug in IE?

Do you have an online example of the HTML and CSS files referenced?
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Re: [css-d] Strange IE Printing Result

2006-12-18 Thread Mohsen Saboorian
Hi Sasha,
Here is an example:
http://siahe.com/zekr/dev/ie-print-problem/sura-maryam.html

Here is a sample printed PDF:
http://siahe.com/zekr/dev/ie-print-problem/sura-maryam.pdf

Thanks.

On 12/19/06, Sasha Gerrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 19/12/06, Mohsen Saboorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
  I have an HTML page, with 2 CSS, one for screen media and the other
  for print. The page contains a list of divs, each one has a dashed
  border-bottom. When I print the HTML, just borders of the first page
  are dashed, and on other pages the border changes to solid.
 
  Is it a known bug in IE?

 Do you have an online example of the HTML and CSS files referenced?
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 Cheers,
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[css-d] Absolute Positioning and Fixed Footer Woes in IE

2006-12-18 Thread Mark Henderson
It's been a while...

I have a slightly unusual design request from a client that's giving me 
some grief in IE. In the nutshell, effectively what is required is a 
fixed footer of fixed height that sits at the bottom of the viewport. 
The content will be centered in another fixed width box and will scroll 
when it is longer than the height of the box, and the bottom of this box 
will sit directly above said footer. Initially I had achieved this to 
good effect using position: fixed and the respective IE hacks (no 
hardships there), but now I've been asked if they can have the scrollbar 
for the main content sitting right next to that box inside the window. 
This has given me a slight headache since I can get it working in 
Firefox/Netscape/Opera but NOT in IE6. Something like...

html, body {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
height: 100%;
border: 0;
}

#content {
width: 730px;
position: absolute;
bottom: 260px;
top: 10px;
left: 50%;
margin: 0 auto auto -365px;
text-align: center;
overflow: hidden;
}

/* hide from ie mac \*/
#content {
overflow: auto;
}/*end hide*/

...does the trick for most browsers, but of course IE6 doesn't like the 
use of both position top and bottom without a height in this situation, 
and using a height wont work (well, I can't make it work).

So, to reiterate, does anyone know of a way to have a fixed width box 
horizontally centered but always a fixed distance from the bottom of the 
viewport, whilst allowing the content to scroll using overflow. I hope 
that all made sense. Any ideas?


TIA
Mark
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