Re: [css-d] site check please

[Jason Crosse]

On 15/07/2007 12:19, Stephen Oravec wrote:
 http://www.intheholler.com
Win XP - FF 2.0.0.4 - fine
Opera 9.20 - fine
IE6 - not fine.

  1. The darker green borders on the headings e.g. What's New are
very thick. They look ~1em thick.

  2. The right-hand side column moves beneath the left-hand side
column, and starts right after the middle column ends. I'm thinking
this is because your wrapper div is not wide enough in IE6.
Possibly a manifestation of the 3px gutter bug?
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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Ernie Finlay]

IE6...Lots of scrolling to do here.

If the Links col.was placed directly under the Nav. col. (it is now to the 
left and under 'What's New ') it would reduce the vertical scrolling.

If the Header and the Footer widths were reduced to the(approx.) combined 
widths of Nav. and What's New cols. horizontal scrolling would be reduced.

I found the Header text a bit difficult to read.

Ernie. :)


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[css-d] Site Check - IE6

[Don Stefani]

HI,
I could use a confirmation that this site: www.sunsetmusic.biz is not
showing bad floats in IE6.

Prior to my fixes it was pushing content on the home page way down.

Thanks,

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Re: [css-d] Site Check - IE6

[Brian Crescimanno]

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 HI,
 I could use a confirmation that this site: www.sunsetmusic.biz is not
 showing bad floats in IE6.

I can confirm on IE6 / Windows 2000 that it looks correct.

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Dagmar Noll]

Gary Benson wrote:
  My rationale for only putting a couple
 of questions in the Find out more box was so the reader wasn't
 bombarded with information.  There's only five questions on the site
 now, but I plan to write several more.
 
 Rather than putting all the questions on every page, how would it be
 if I put a Show more questions... link at the bottom of the Find
 out more boxes?  Do you think that might work?
 

Gary -

I think that would have helped me, especially if it was written Show 
all questions, so I know I am seeing all available options as opposed 
to another select grouping. (I like seeing all of my options at once.)

If I clicked on that, what would happen?

Dagmar

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Dagmar Noll wrote:
 Gary Benson wrote:
  My rationale for only putting a couple of questions in the Find
  out more box was so the reader wasn't bombarded with information.
  There's only five questions on the site now, but I plan to write
  several more.
  
  Rather than putting all the questions on every page, how would it
  be if I put a Show more questions... link at the bottom of the
  Find out more boxes?  Do you think that might work?
 
 I think that would have helped me, especially if it was written
 Show all questions, so I know I am seeing all available options
 as opposed to another select grouping. (I like seeing all of my
 options at once.)

Cool, I'll do that then.

 If I clicked on that, what would happen?

It would just be a link to the same page that's in the navigation bar.

Thanks for your help,
Gary

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[css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Hi all,

Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
may have.

If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:

  http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Mark Wheeler]

On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Gary Benson wrote:

 Hi all,

 Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
 please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
 especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
 may have.

 If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:

   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png

 Thanks in advance,
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Hi Gary,

It looks good in FF 2.0.0.4 (Mac) and Safari 2.0.4. Nice and clean.

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Ray Leventhal]

Gary Benson wrote:
 Hi all,

 Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
 please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
 especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
 may have.

 If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:

   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png

 Thanks in advance,
 Gary

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Hi Gary,

Looks as good in FF/Win as it does for Linux.  In IE7/Win, it looks
'pretty' good, but there's an issue with the curve at the lower left of
your content area.

screenshot:  http://www.swhi.net/css-d/relaxshiatsu.jpg

Hope this helps.

Regards,
~Ray

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[trevor bayliss]

Mark Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Gary 
Benson wrote:

 Hi all,

 Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
 please? I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
 especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
 may have.

 If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:

 http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png

 Thanks in advance,
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Hi Gary,

It looks good in FF 2.0.0.4 (Mac) and Safari 2.0.4. Nice and clean.

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  Hi Gary it looks like this in IE http://216.219.94.105/shiatsu.JPG
   

   
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Matthew Ohlman]

Gary Benson wrote:
 Hi all,

 Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
 please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
 especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
 may have.


   
Looks great Gary.  The curve problem that Ray mentioned is also 
appearing in IE6 Windows--just so you know that is only happening on 
your home page.  All interior pages look fine. 

You might already be aware but you do have one error in your CSS.

Other than that it looks good in Firefox 2, Opera 9.2 and Safari for 
Windows.

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Elli Vizcaino]

--- Gary Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Could I trouble you for site check of
 http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
 please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac
 checks are
 especially welcome, as are any general comments and
 suggestions you
 may have.
 
 If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:
 
   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Gary
 

Hi Gary, 

Looks good in Windows FF, Safari Mac  FF but not in
IE  6  7. 

Here is a link to the jpg of IE 7: 
http://eliazer.com/relaxshiatsu.jpg 

As Ray stated there is something wrong with the
corners in the top  bottom right - they are out of
alignment and also if you look closely the alignment
of the image list markers is off with the text. 

Further more in IE 6 the Home | Questions links and
the photo of flower do not show up. 

And if I might add, on a personal note, I think you
should keep the navigation at the bottom of page in
the Find Out More section, consistent. I think it's
confusing for the user for the links to be shifting
from page to page. You should offer all links to all
your questions, even if you have a link to the
Questions at the top. 

Hope this helps. 

Elli 



   

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Luis Speciale]

Gary Benson a écrit :
 Hi all,

 Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
 please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
 especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
 may have.

 If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:

   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png

 Thanks in advance,
 Gary
   
Looks well in all Mac browsers excepts Internet Exploder. Maybe

.topRightPhoto {form.css (line 49)
float:right;
padding-bottom:15px;
padding-left:15px;
}

needs a relative position ?

Anyway the text goes after this div.

By the way, why you use zoom ? Sorry, but I don't understand.

#findOutMore {
  zoom: 1;
}

Cordialement

Luis


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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Mark Wheeler]

 Hi all,

 Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
 please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
 especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
 may have.

 If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:

   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png

 Thanks in advance,
 Gary

Hi Gary,

After seeing the IE6 photos, it looks like you are battling the .png  
transparency problem in IE6. Have a look at google with:

png internet explorer transparency

That ought to get  you started.

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Dagmar Noll]

  I think you
 should keep the navigation at the bottom of page in
 the Find Out More section, consistent. I think it's
 confusing for the user for the links to be shifting
 from page to page. You should offer all links to all
 your questions, even if you have a link to the
 Questions at the top. 

I agree. I browsed the site focusing on the flow from one page to the 
next, and became quickly conflicted as to how to proceed as the question 
list changed. I clicked on one question, read the answer, and then was 
conflicted as to whether I wanted to click back to the second question 
on the previous page, or use the navigation below. Would I ever see that 
original question again?, I wondered. I was trying to keep track of what 
questions I had read and where questions of interest were located 
earlier in my click path.

That was disorienting until I figured out I could click Questions for 
a full list of questions.

I do like the visual design. Crisp, clean. Lovely.

Best,
Dagmar

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Matthew Ohlman wrote:
 Gary Benson wrote:
  Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
  please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
  especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
  may have.
 
 Looks great Gary.  The curve problem that Ray mentioned is also
 appearing in IE6 Windows--just so you know that is only happening
 on your home page.  All interior pages look fine.
 
 You might already be aware but you do have one error in your CSS.

Do you mean the zoom thing, or something else?

Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Luis Speciale wrote:
 Gary Benson a écrit :
  Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
  please?
[snip]
 By the way, why you use zoom ? Sorry, but I don't understand.
 
 #findOutMore {
   zoom: 1;
 }

It forces hasLayout on the #findOutMore div which stops it
extending under the photo on the main page.

 http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/90171

Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Dagmar Noll wrote:
 Elli Vizcaino wrote:
  I think you should keep the navigation at the bottom of page in
  the Find Out More section, consistent. I think it's confusing
  for the user for the links to be shifting from page to page. You
  should offer all links to all your questions, even if you have a
  link to the Questions at the top.
 
 I agree. I browsed the site focusing on the flow from one page to
 the next, and became quickly conflicted as to how to proceed as the
 question list changed. I clicked on one question, read the answer,
 and then was conflicted as to whether I wanted to click back to
 the second question on the previous page, or use the navigation
 below. Would I ever see that original question again?, I wondered.
 I was trying to keep track of what questions I had read and where
 questions of interest were located earlier in my click path.
 
 That was disorienting until I figured out I could click Questions
 for a full list of questions.

That's an interesting point.  My rationale for only putting a couple
of questions in the Find out more box was so the reader wasn't
bombarded with information.  There's only five questions on the site
now, but I plan to write several more.

Rather than putting all the questions on every page, how would it be
if I put a Show more questions... link at the bottom of the Find
out more boxes?  Do you think that might work?

 I do like the visual design. Crisp, clean. Lovely.

Wow, thanks! :D

Cheers,
Gary
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Re: [css-d] Site check for good housekeeping

[Rahul Gonsalves]

On 09-Jul-07, at 8:54 AM, Frank Burleigh wrote:

 Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
 On 09-Jul-07, at 5:13 AM, Frank Burleigh wrote:
 Hello, list.  We've been working on this site:
 http://firms.law.indiana.edu/about/blank.shtml

 I'd appreciate your review.  I'm interested in any critique you'd  
 care
 to make, including visual design and its CSS design and  
 implementation.
 Hi Frank,
 All to be taken with a grain of salt.

 ;-)

 I would increase the line-height of the body text, and set a

 done: 1.2 instead of 1.1.  also added more padding left and right.   
 if you'd care to reply, i'd appreciate knowing if you find that  
 more comfy to read.  it's my impression that ie 6 and maybe 7  
 doesn't respect the max-widths.  'course that's no reason not to  
 help users of better browsers. ;-)

 max-width...40 - 66 characters is, I believe, an ideal line length  
 - when I browse full screen (1280px), it becomes far too long to  
 read comfortably. I would also have some kind of visual feedback  
 happening on the links in the sidebar, either a colour change or  
 adding an underline of some sort.

 also agreed.  restored underlining on hover.

 Lastly, the top banner is a bit stark...could that be changed,  
 maybe even the addition of a texture, gradient or something, to  
 take away from the grey?

 also agreed.  i'm thinking about an airier treatment for the across- 
 site navigation using a mild white/rust vertical gradient, with  
 maybe some curves around the current piece of the site.  there's  
 also to be a graphic for the right that's supposed to mean law  
 firm.  that could take me a while. ;-)


It looks far more comfortable to read, the increased line-height  
helps. Yes, IE (not sure about 7) does not respect max-width, but I  
think there is a fairly simple javascript expression that can help it  
along.

How about trying a dotted underline (using the border property)  
rather than the text-decoration?

Best,
  - Rahul.

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[css-d] Site check for good housekeeping

[Frank Burleigh]

Hello, list.  We've been working on this site:
http://firms.law.indiana.edu/about/blank.shtml

devoted to the empirical research of law firms and markets.

The intended audience is an academic one, and the browser level is the 
Geckos, IE 6 and 7, Safari, hopefully Opera--behaving browsers plus IE6. 
  I've tested what I can here (IE 6 and 7, Fox 2.x, 3.x alpha on 
Windows; Fox 2.x on Linux) and Fox 1.5x and Safari 2.x at browsershots.org).

I'd appreciate your review.  I'm interested in any critique you'd care 
to make, including visual design and its CSS design and implementation. 
  The elements in the CSS mix include:

- faux column
- negative margin on a floated element
- flexible content column
- content and more info/navigation sit in a centered box

I've also included some comments in the CSS to say the role and 
relationship among some key rules (as I see that, anyway).

My own comments are these:

- across-site navigation needs more visual work

- right-side more info use needs consultation with client on IA

- IE6 appears to ignore sidenav negative margin, pushing both it and
pagebox's right margin far to the right.  I overcame that with 
relative positioning, hopefully fed to IE Win 6 and less alone.  Is 
there a better fix than crud in the CSS?

- the floated-left content column includes a 6px top border that 
allows me to see the width the div does not consume.  It would be great 
to consume all the available width, but so far I haven't been able to 
achieve that without breaking the layout.

- I'd wanted flexible page gutters (hinted with percent margins).  But 
the left and right 1px border on pagebox has an expected bad effect on 
pagebox's width, and in IE we get scroll bars.  Rather than add another 
level of containment in the html, I gave up, and made the gutters fixed 
width. ;-)

Thanks everyone.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[Richard Brown]

Hi Once again

On 29/06/07, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:28:58 +0100, Richard Brown wrote:
  Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the 
  third
  column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
  http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
  http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-
  content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css
 

 If so, add a clearing DIV just before the container DIV's closing tag:

 HTML:
 div class=clearing!-- --/div

 CSS:
 .clearing {clear: both;}

 Reason:
 The floated DIVs are not taking up room until they are cleared.

 BTW - A trip to the HTML and CSS validators may help. There are
 font size issues, too. In IE, my medium font size is 20px, not the
 usual 16px. Use the View  Text Size  Larger to see what I see.

Many thanks for the help. I thought I had a clearing element in the
footer but I had taken the footer out of the container div. Thanks for
that and for the article given to me in the previous reply.

I will head to the validator. Much of what sneaks in seems to sneak in
through wordpress widget boxes. Maybe they aren't such a good thing!

Hopefully we are nearing the end.
-- 
Rich
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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[Richard Brown]

Hi All

On 27/06/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the
third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css
   
Thanks for all the help so far. I believe I have sorted the columns
out now... but the container div is only extending to the bottom of
the header. I put a border in to check this out. Why would that be
please and how do I get it to extend the full site width please?

Thanks.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[David Hucklesby]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:28:58 +0100, Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi All

 On 27/06/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the 
 third
 column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
 http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
 http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-
 content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css

 Thanks for all the help so far. I believe I have sorted the columns
 out now... but the container div is only extending to the bottom of
 the header. I put a border in to check this out. Why would that be
 please and how do I get it to extend the full site width please?

Richard,
Did you mean full page height?

If so, add a clearing DIV just before the container DIV's closing tag:

HTML:
div class=clearing!-- --/div

CSS:
.clearing {clear: both;}

Reason:
The floated DIVs are not taking up room until they are cleared.

BTW - A trip to the HTML and CSS validators may help. There are
font size issues, too. In IE, my medium font size is 20px, not the
usual 16px. Use the View  Text Size  Larger to see what I see.

Cordially,
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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[Richard Brown]

Hi

On 26/06/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the
 third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
 http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
 http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css

I thought I had fixed this but it still seems wrong in WinIE 5.5. Can
somebody take a look again for me please?

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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[David Laakso]

Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi

 On 26/06/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the
 third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
 http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
 http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css

 
 I thought I had fixed this but it still seems wrong in WinIE 5.5. Can
 somebody take a look again for me please?

 Thanks.
   


It is not working in /any/ version of win/IE. And it is a wonder that it 
is working in any browser at all. Among other things, see line 185: move 
the html element head into the correct section of the document


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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[Richard Brown]

Hi David

On 27/06/07, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the
  third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
  http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
  http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css
 
 
  I thought I had fixed this but it still seems wrong in WinIE 5.5. Can
  somebody take a look again for me please?
 
Thank you so much David. I was working off a version on my server and
passing the code to the client to upload. I hadn't spotted her adding
this stuff.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[Richard Brown]

Hi All

On 27/06/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 27/06/07, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the
   third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
   http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
   http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css
  
Could you please take a look at this site:
http://blog.cregy.co.uk/
http://blog.cregy.co.uk/wp-content/themes/emily/style.css
This is the site where the code was originally built. I would just
like to know whether this works in WinIE please?

Thanks.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Tigdh Glesain]

Hallo Matthew,

I hope this delay response helps to further reaffirm the advice given so
far...

For what its worth, I am one of those folks using an iMac Flat panel 800Ghz.
I have IE 5.2Mac and have never used it personally, other than when I was
checking site I was building.

IE5 Mac was just a big fat pain in the Derry Air, and I would have no qualms
in saying to you, the number of people with Macs who would still be using
it, well, you could count them on the fingers of my left hand.

Can you see my left hand from where you are?  (O:

Cheers, Tigdh

P.S. Thanks again to all on this site who are all helping me immensely.


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 Jason, Ingo, and David,
 
 Thanks so much for your input and time.  I made a few of the changes you
 suggested, but I don't guess I will go to far trying to support for
 IE/Mac.  I guess the number of users using that combination would be
 slim these days, plus I don't think I will get very far without having
 easy access to a Mac! :-D
 
 Thanks again,
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[css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[Richard Brown]

Hi

Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the
third column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css

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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[Jason Crosse]

Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi
 
 Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the third 
 column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
 http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
 http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css
 
 Thanks.

Yes, that's correct. I haven't looked at your CSS, but are you taking into 
account that unless fixed, IE6 will add 3px 'gutters' to your columns if they 
are floated. That could be what's forcing the right-hand column down there.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check in IE Please

[Andrew Gaffney]

Jason Crosse wrote:
 Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi

 Could someone take a quick look at this site in IE please? I think the third 
 column is dropping below the 1st. Is that correct?
 http://www.familywealthdifference.com/blog/
 http://familywealthdifference.com/blog/wp-content/themes/FWPItheme2/style.css

 Thanks.
 
 Yes, that's correct. I haven't looked at your CSS, but are you taking into 
 account that unless fixed, IE6 will add 3px 'gutters' to your columns if they 
 are floated. That could be what's forcing the right-hand column down there.

Do you have a link to a page talking about this issue? I ran into this on a 
similar layout (3 column using floats) I did recently.

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Ingo Chao]

David Laakso wrote:
 Matthew Ohlman wrote:
 ...  I would especially appreciate a review of IE on Mac if possible
 since I do not have access to a Mac.  General comments and suggestions 
 are very much appreciated if you have any.

 The site is:  http://www.ohlman.com/sldc/index.html


IE Mac:
in general: if you need to support IE-Mac, buy a Mac :) and read 
Philippe's IE-Mac bugs and oddities pages.
http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/

1)
Several background-images are missing, therefore, the menu is not usable.
- don't use single quotes

2)
right column drops down

- if you, for some reasons, don't want to filter the IE-Win Hacks per 
Conditional Comments: Note that * html is read by IE-Mac too. Use the
IE-Mac commented backslash hack to hide your * html rules from IE-Mac.


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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

Ingo Chao wrote:

 IE Mac:
 in general: if you need to support IE-Mac, buy a Mac :) and read
 Philippe's IE-Mac bugs and oddities pages.
 http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/

Lol - yes read them,
and buy a Mac.

 [...]
 2)
 right column drops down

 - if you, for some reasons, don't want to filter the IE-Win Hacks per
 Conditional Comments: Note that * html is read by IE-Mac too. Use the
 IE-Mac commented backslash hack to hide your * html rules from IE-Mac.
or more robust: wrap your things in an @media filter.
@media screen {
/* my beautiful hacks */
}

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Jason Crosse]

Matthew Ohlman wrote:
 Good Evening CSS-D,
 
 I was hoping someone could give me a quick site check on the following 
 design.  I would especially appreciate a review of IE on Mac if possible 
 since I do not have access to a Mac.  General comments and suggestions are 
 very much appreciated if you have any.
 
 The site is:  http://www.ohlman.com/sldc/index.html
 
 Thanks so much in advance, Matthew

Personally, I think that IE/Mac is such an esoteric and combination that it 
would be acceptable to serve IE on Mac a reset stylesheet, or just serve 
unstyled. So long as any user with that OS/Browser combo is able to access the 
content you're OK. 

You'd be unlucky to have a user with the Mac/IE combo anyway, IMO.
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[css-d] Site Check - blank spots

[rashantha de silva]

Hello,

I have been told that there are blank spots (white) in internet  
explorer on pc.

Can you please check this site http://www.lankafest.com/ and tell  
me what can be done to avoid that.

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Re: [css-d] Site Check - blank spots

[Jason]

rashantha de silva wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have been told that there are blank spots (white) in internet explorer on 
 pc.
 
 Can you please check this site http://www.lankafest.com/ and tell me what 
 can be done to avoid that.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yes, there are whitish parts in IE - it looks to me like you're using PNG 
graphics with transparency. This does not work properly in IE/Windows without 
hacking things about. 

You could use transparent GIFs where appropriate. And/Or you could use a PNG 
fix. You can use a JavaScript fix or a CSS fix. I very rarely use translucent 
PNGs.

Using the following in a css rule adds a background image with png-alpha:
h1 {
backgound-image:none;
filter: progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='yourimage.png', 
sizingMethod='crop');
}

or for a JavaScript fix, google PNG fix to be taken to the page. I'm sure 
others on this list will have ways to fix this, too.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Matthew Ohlman]

Jason, Ingo, and David,

Thanks so much for your input and time.  I made a few of the changes you 
suggested, but I don't guess I will go to far trying to support for 
IE/Mac.  I guess the number of users using that combination would be 
slim these days, plus I don't think I will get very far without having 
easy access to a Mac! :-D

Thanks again,
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Marcus Taylor]

Matthew,

Thought I'd chip in.

I've been using a Mac for years, and not even I know how to get hold of a
Mac with IE5 now. Microsoft ditched it years ago. I think it was out on some
of the first builds of OSX and on old OS9.

If I was developing Google I'd develop for it, but if it's for a smaller
site (not to demean), switch styles off or do a browser check and tell 'em
to go get Safari or Firefox.

Marcus

 Jason, Ingo, and David,
 
 Thanks so much for your input and time.  I made a few of the changes you
 suggested, but I don't guess I will go to far trying to support for
 IE/Mac.  I guess the number of users using that combination would be
 slim these days, plus I don't think I will get very far without having
 easy access to a Mac! :-D
 
 Thanks again,
 Matthew


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Re: [css-d] Site Check - blank spots

[David Hucklesby]

 rashantha de silva wrote:
 Hello,

 I have been told that there are blank spots (white) in internet explorer on 
 pc.

 Can you please check this site http://www.lankafest.com/ and tell me what 
 can be
 done to avoid that.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Jason replied: 
 Yes, there are whitish parts in IE - it looks to me like you're using PNG 
 graphics with
 transparency. This does not work properly in IE/Windows without hacking 
 things about.

 You could use transparent GIFs where appropriate. And/Or you could use a PNG 
 fix. You
 can use a JavaScript fix or a CSS fix. I very rarely use translucent PNGs.



Hi Rashantha,

You could also use transparent PNGs. IIRC the last browser to have problems
with binary transparent PNGs (PNG-8) was Netscape 4. PNG-8 images are
usually smaller than corresponding GIFs.

The problem does not arise in IE7 -- Alpha transparency is fixed in 
that browser.



 Using the following in a css rule adds a background image with png-alpha: h1 {
 backgound-image:none; filter:
 progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='yourimage.png',
 sizingMethod='crop'); }


FWIW - there seems to be an attempt to add a 'pngbehavior.htc' file
as a solution. Hard to figure out exactly what's going on with 24 style 
sheets plus inline styles.

 or for a JavaScript fix, google PNG fix to be taken to the page. I'm sure 
 others on
 this list will have ways to fix this, too.

We had a discussion about getting alpha transparency to work in IE
on our class form. Some solutions here:

http://tinyurl.com/3bvac7

Cordially,
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[css-d] Site Check please in IE and Safari problem

[Phil Turner]

Hi Everyone
Could someone do a site check in Internet Explorer please I think  
there are some spacing issues.
I'm also not seeing the colour specified in the navigation on mouse  
over - works fine in firefox and Opera
any suggestions please

I've also put a random Image generator on the portfolio page, is  
there a way to get this to validate?

http://www.philturner-uk.com/phil/portfolio.html

Thanks

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Re: [css-d] Site Check please in IE and Safari problem

[Matthew Ohlman]

Hi Phil,

Phil Turner wrote:

Hi Everyone
Could someone do a site check in Internet Explorer please I think  
there are some spacing issues.
I'm also not seeing the colour specified in the navigation on mouse  
over - works fine in firefox and Opera
any suggestions please

  

I don't see spacing issues but your .png issues aren't displaying 
correctly.  I think there was a thread on the list about that this 
morning.  I have uploaded screen shots for you to see.  I am using IE 
6.0 on Windows XP Home.

The screen shots are:
http://www.ohlman.com/css-d/phil1.gif
http://www.ohlman.com/css-d/phil2.gif

I've also put a random Image generator on the portfolio page, is  
there a way to get this to validate?

  

Try putting your JS into a seperate file and call it into the document 
like this:

script language=javascript type=text/javascript src=ticker.js/script

I think that may take care of the validation problem, but I'm not 100% sure.


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Re: [css-d] Site Check please in IE and Safari problem

[Matthew Ohlman]

Phil Turner wrote:

Hi Everyone
Could someone do a site check in Internet Explorer please I think  
there are some spacing issues.
I'm also not seeing the colour specified in the navigation on mouse  
over - works fine in firefox and Opera
any suggestions please
  


Phil,  Looking closer I see your color on the nav, but a gap (looks like 
a margin or padding is declared) on hover.  See screenshot.

http://www.ohlman.com/css-d/phil3.gif

HTH
Matthew

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[css-d] Site Check Please

[Matthew Ohlman]

Good Evening CSS-D,

I was hoping someone could give me a quick site check on the following 
design.  I would especially appreciate a review of IE on Mac if possible 
since I do not have access to a Mac.  General comments and suggestions 
are very much appreciated if you have any.

The site is:  http://www.ohlman.com/sldc/index.html

Thanks so much in advance,
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[css-d] Site Check Please

[Matthew Ohlman]

Good Evening CSS-D,

I was hoping someone could give me a quick site check on the following 
design.  I would especially appreciate a review of IE on Mac if possible 
since I do not have access to a Mac.  General comments and suggestions 
are very much appreciated if you have any.

The site is:  http://www.ohlman.com/sldc/index.html

Thanks so much in advance,
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[David Laakso]

Matthew Ohlman wrote:
 Good Evening CSS-D,

 I was hoping someone could give me a quick site check on the following 
 design.  I would especially appreciate a review of IE on Mac if possible 
 since I do not have access to a Mac.  General comments and suggestions 
 are very much appreciated if you have any.

 The site is:  http://www.ohlman.com/sldc/index.html

 Thanks so much in advance,
 Matthew




   

Nice visual.  No got Mac/IE. Power users on compliant browsers /may/ 
break it with heavy-hand font-scaling regardless of the OS. IE7.0 holds. 
IE6.0 drops the right column float at text-size largest.
Best,
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[css-d] site check pc explorer

[rashantha de silva]

can you tell me if this works on ie 6 on pc.

http://www.lankafest.com/

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Re: [css-d] site check pc explorer

[David Hucklesby]

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:28:42 -0700, rashantha de silva wrote:
 can you tell me if this works on ie 6 on pc.

 http://www.lankafest.com/

No, it doesn't. Sorry.

Testing on Win xp Pro using standalone IE6 --

#1 The PNG fix is not working

#2 Can only resize *some* text by using accessibility options

#3 Text size is very small - 7 points print equivalent on my 15 screen

#4 Increasing text size by any amount creates an unreadable page

#5 If images don't load I get very little content (no alt text on images)

#6 There is a long blank area between the body content and the footer

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] site check pc explorer

[Shelly]

Exactly what David said - this is precisely what I'm seeing on IE6, 
Windows XP.

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[css-d] Site Check Please Footer Problem

[Del Wegener]

Good Morning;
I have very slowly learned how to use CSS for text formating etc. and use 
those techniques on most of my new pages.
I have now created my first CSS layout page and  would appreciatesome 
feedback from the experts before converting hundreds of pages.
Please take a look at

http://www.drdelmath.com/essays/reading_mathematics/css_reading_mathematics_tip1.htm
and
http://www.drdelmath.com/essays/reading_mathematics/css_copyright_page.html
with style sheets
http://www.drdelmath.com/essays/style_sheet_essays_normal.css
and
http://www.drdelmath.com/essays/style_sheet_essays_projection.css

All the strange colors are simply to show me where various block elements 
are located -- that will get changed.  In view of that please point out any 
errors and bad practices.
The projection style sheet is identical to the normal style sheet except 
for font sizes.

Notice the footer (copyright) location on the two pages.  Its location is 
okay when there is a lot of text in the content div ( as on the 
css_copyright_page.html).  On short pages (like 
css_reading_mathematics_tip1.htm) I would prefer to have the footer appear 
at the bottom of the window not at the bottom of the text.
How can I force the footer to the bottom of the window when the amount of 
text is small?
The same problem occurrs with printing -- the footer appears at the end of 
text rather than bottom of the last page.  Can I fix this with CSS?

My next step will be to replace the menu with a fly-out menu.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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[css-d] Site check, please -- two small problems

[Tom McNeer]

Hi folks,

I would appreciate it if anyone interested would quickly scan through
http://ids.mediumcool.com.

I think most cross-browser issues are solved -- except for two.

First, on any page below the home page, there is a bread crumb trail. In IE6
and 7, the first link in the trail -- Home -- is not activated as a link.
Viewing the source shows that the a tag is in place and correct, and
Safari and Firefox have no problem with it. The problem is caused by an IE
conditional statement that moves the breadcrumb to the left. I don't know
why the move would disable the link, but it seems to. If someone can explain
to me a way to make IE align the breadcrumbs as they are in Firefox without
the conditional, I'd love it.

Second, I am using the son of Suckerfish menus. In Safari, when you move
over a choice to reveal the submenu, things appear okay -- until you move
onto one of the submenu's choices. Then the list item expands, showing
more width to the right, and that extended area remains visible even after
the submenu is closed. This must be a CSS error on my part, but I can't
figure it out.

Unfortunately, since the site is almost finished, the CSS is linked, not
embedded - except for IE conditionals. But you can find the style sheet
itself at http://ids.mediumcool.com/styles/ids.css.

Thanks in advance for your help.

-- 
Thanks,

Tom

Tom McNeer
MediumCool
http://www.mediumcool.com
1735 Johnson Road NE
Atlanta, GA 30306
404.589.0560
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Re: [css-d] Site check, please -- two small problems

[Don - HtmlFixIt.com]

See this Tom,
http://htmlfixit.com/?p=1013
The advice there should fix your son of suckerfish issue I suspect.

Don
 Second, I am using the son of Suckerfish menus. In Safari, when you move
 over a choice to reveal the submenu, things appear okay -- until you move
 onto one of the submenu's choices. Then the list item expands, showing
 more width to the right, and that extended area remains visible even after
 the submenu is closed. This must be a CSS error on my part, but I can't
 figure it out.
 
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Re: [css-d] Site check, please -- two small problems

[PBC Web Design]

At 10:15 AM 5/30/2007, you wrote:
I would appreciate it if anyone interested would quickly scan through
http://ids.mediumcool.com.

Hi Tom,

I'm sorry but I'm not going to be able to help 
you with your problem but I did want to mention 
that the one red guy in the background ... very clever idea!

If you hadn't planned on doing so, you might want 
to work on some validating - got some pages that 
aren't.  That might help you w/your issues as well.


• ÷÷÷ • ÷÷÷ • ÷ • ÷÷÷ •  •
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Re: [css-d] Site check, please -- two small problems

[Lori Lay]

Tom McNeer wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I would appreciate it if anyone interested would quickly scan through
 http://ids.mediumcool.com.

 I think most cross-browser issues are solved -- except for two.

 First, on any page below the home page, there is a bread crumb trail. In IE6
 and 7, the first link in the trail -- Home -- is not activated as a link.
 Viewing the source shows that the a tag is in place and correct, and
 Safari and Firefox have no problem with it. The problem is caused by an IE
 conditional statement that moves the breadcrumb to the left. I don't know
 why the move would disable the link, but it seems to. If someone can explain
 to me a way to make IE align the breadcrumbs as they are in Firefox without
 the conditional, I'd love it.


   
Have you tried putting the breadcrumb trail in a div instead of a span?  
I'm wondering if IE is getting hung up on the repositioning of an inline 
element.  Your span seems like a block level element anyway, so maybe 
using a div would give you better results.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] Site check, please -- two small problems

[Lori Lay]

Tom McNeer wrote:
 Deb,

 Thanks for the compliment. As far as validation goes, are you 
 referring to HTML or CSS validation? The W3C CSS validator simply 
 throws a servlet error, and has been doing so for a long time; so I 
 haven't been able to validate the CSS, although it's not different 
 from page to page. If you could give me some general idea of what sort 
 of validation errors you received, I'd appreciate it.

 Lori,

 Actually, I took the breadcrumb trail out of a div because of weird IE 
 behavior. If I turn it into a div, the div itself is positioned 
 correctly, but for some reason the text inside is indented about 10 
 pixels. Firebug reports no padding on the element, either specified or 
 inherited. ???

 When you make it a span, the text and element are both positioned to 
 the right, corrected by the conditional padding -- but disabling the link.

 -- 
 Thanks,

 Tom


Tom,

There are several bugs in your stylesheet.  For one, there's a missing 
semi-colon on the last rule in the wrapperBorder definition.  If you're 
using Firefox, the new error console has a CSS section which will show 
all the CSS errors - and there are quite a few.  If you have the new 
error console, open it from the Tools menu and pick the CSS tab in the 
second row of menu options, starting with JS.

Maybe you should get your CSS fixed up before we start messing around 
with spans and divisions...

Lori
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[css-d] Site Check

[Sébastien FICHOT]

Hello everyone!

I finally finished the website of the company for which I work, and I would 
like to thank those which helped me on several occasions in my peregrination 
CSS.
The home page contains an switcher of layout script at the redimensioning of 
the screen, the other pages will be modified very soon.

This site check thus relates to the whole of the site, should see you the 
contents in French, English, Chinese or Italian according to the source of 
your IP.

I checked the site under IE6, 7, Firefox 1,2, and Operated 9, but not yet 
Safari. But each one knows that several checks are better than one   ;)

The site is thus accessible via the URL: http://www.aricie.net/eshop

If you observe bugs, I will be charmed to accommodate your screenshots by 
Email!

Thank you







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Re: [css-d] Site Check

[David Laakso]

Sébastien FICHOT wrote:
 The home page contains an switcher of layout script at the redimensioning of 
 the screen, the other pages will be modified very soon.
 URL: http://www.aricie.net/eshop



   

Sebastien,

I think it will be necessary to validate the markup. You have 222 errors 
on the home page.
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aricie.net%2Feshop%2F

Best,
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[css-d] Site check

[Silvester Kok]

Hi,

Would it be possible to check this site on any major css flaws in  
different browsers ?

I have tested Safari, IE 6/7 firefox

Thanks in advance

Silvester

URL:  http://home.rosedev.nl/
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Re: [css-d] Site check

[Matt McCool]

The navigation looks nice, like the image sprites.

But when the text is resized with the browser (in firefox), the #infobar div
gets pushed down, and the #menu sprite images are exposed.

Could you adjust the positioning of #infobar to fix this?
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Re: [css-d] Site check

[David Laakso]

Silvester Kok wrote:
 Hi,

 Would it be possible to check this site on any major css flaws in  
 different browsers ?

 I have tested Safari, IE 6/7 firefox

 Thanks in advance

 Silvester

 URL:  http://home.rosedev.nl/
   





Opera/9.20
Camino/1.0.4
IE/6 and 7

The horizontal nav is breaking a little early (+1).
I am not sure why: the header images did not load on my end in IE.
Best,
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Re: [css-d] Site check

[ROSEDEV]

Matt,

I have tried this, but because the navigation is based on a list it  
sizes with the text. overflow: hidden does not
do the trick.

Silvester


On May 23, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Matt McCool wrote:

 The navigation looks nice, like the image sprites.

 But when the text is resized with the browser (in firefox), the  
 #infobar div
 gets pushed down, and the #menu sprite images are exposed.

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Re: [css-d] Site check

[ROSEDEV]

David

Thanks, header images are in Flash player 8 and 9 so that might be  
the problem. Need a fix for this too. Again thanks.

Regards,

ROSE Development
Silvester Kok


On May 23, 2007, at 7:54 PM, David Laakso wrote:

 Silvester Kok wrote:
 Hi,

 Would it be possible to check this site on any major css flaws in
 different browsers ?

 I have tested Safari, IE 6/7 firefox

 Thanks in advance

 Silvester

 URL:  http://home.rosedev.nl/






 Opera/9.20
 Camino/1.0.4
 IE/6 and 7

 The horizontal nav is breaking a little early (+1).
 I am not sure why: the header images did not load on my end in IE.
 Best,
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Re: [css-d] Site Check and CSS help

[Brian Jones]

On 5/9/07, Mauricio Samy Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Brian
 Add the following CSS:
 #navcontainer UL li {width:100%}


Thank you Mauricio

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[css-d] Site Check and CSS help

[Brian Jones]

Hi,

I would like a general site check for this website

http://tourism.temple.edu/smartbaltimore/default.aspx

Can you just tell me what you think or anything you think I should
change. The menu does not look right in IE6 so if someone could help
me with the CSS for that, that would be great.

Also in IE the buttons on this page
http://tourism.temple.edu/smartbaltimore/user/snapshot.aspx do not
look the same as in FF. In FF the text in a little more centered and
there is no underline on the link hover. How can I achieve this same
affect in IE

The CSS is here
http://tourism.temple.edu/smartbaltimore/css/smart.css

Thank you


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Re: [css-d] Site Check and CSS help

[Mauricio Samy Silva]

Hi Brian

From: Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [css-d] Site Check and CSS help
 http://tourism.temple.edu/smartbaltimore/default.aspx
The menu does not look right in IE6 so if someone could help
 me with the CSS for that, that would be great.

Add the following CSS:
#navcontainer UL li {width:100%}
---
 Also in IE the buttons on this page
 http://tourism.temple.edu/smartbaltimore/user/snapshot.aspx do not
 look the same as in FF. In FF the text in a little more centered

Add the following:

.postbutton {
   line-height:1.2;
   ...
}

and  there is no underline on the link hover. How can I achieve this same
 affect in IE

Change:
FROM:
.postbutton:hover {text-decoration: underline}

TO:
.postbutton:hover {text-decoration: none}


Regards,

Maurício Samy Silva
http://www.maujor.com/

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[css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Holly Bergevin]

From: Dave M G [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://formever.org

 IE6 is dead to me now.

While this is certainly your, and your clients choice not to support IE6, it 
seems a little shortsighted. I'd to point out just a couple of things.

First, there are undoubtedly many, many people who _cannot_ run IE7 on their 
computer, because their OS does not support it, and they are unable or 
unwilling to upgrade their computer. These same people could indeed use a 
different browser, but why should they?

Your JavaScript alert (box) for IE6 and whatever users has a script error, so 
before I (who cannot run IE7) can get to your page, I have to click off an 
error message. Doesn't make me feel very confident about what else I am going 
to encounter in your pages. 

IE6 is still supported, by many, many practical people, designers and 
developers and clients as well. The fact that you and your client have chosen 
not to support it should be indicated, with a wording change in the alert, to 
the effect that YOU do no choose to support IE6, not that it is unsupported.

Finally, I would rethink leaving potetentially offensive descriptions in the 
comments of your source. You have no idea why people have chosen not to use 
IE7, and someone, like me, might be offended to find out that you think my 
browser sucks.

~holly 
 
   
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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Dave M G]

Lori, David, CSS-d,

Thank you very much for your comments, and taking the time to be so 
helpful. If it's not too much to bear, I have some follow up questions.
 
 FWIW, a level 2 heading is missing.
I'm sorry, what does this mean?

 Ditch the validation buttons?
Really? I tried to make them as unobtrusive as possible by fading them 
out. Is it that you find them distracting?

 A little slow loading the image.
Okay. I'll look into how I can make it efficient.

 You need a background-color for users at 1280 and up (not everyone 
 sees white beneath the bottom of the image)
I've added background: white to the CSS. Shouldn't that make any extra 
space below the image white?

 If it is of concern, she overlaps horizontally at 800 in all browsers.
Hmm... that's a wider breaking point than I had hoped. Thanks for 
pointing that out. I'll look into changes.

 There is a repeat of the folder image at the bottom right and left 
 corner of the large file folder in IE7--
 look closely at the captures and you'll see it.

Seems to be an issue with the Javascript that drives the borders. I 
think I'll work out a non Javascript version - even though it might mean 
being stacked up to my neck in div tags.


 Nine captures XP IE 7, Opera 9, and FF 2.
 http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=342746
Hey, that site service looks useful. I might sign up for that.

 
 I also notice that it takes only one text enlargement (FF 2 Mac) for 
 the text to start breaking out of the tabs.  The sliding doors 
 technique had some guidelines for allowing the tabs to grow, so you 
 might want to check that out.  The side panels seem to survive ok.

I think my target will be two text enlargements before breaking. I'll 
look into the sliding doors.

Thank you all so much for your comments!

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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[David Gallanders]

Dave M G [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:08:25 -0500, wrote:



Site looks OK in the browsers listed below.

To stop the design breaking below 400px, you might consider giving the
body both a min-width: x; where x is a sufficient number of pixels to
hold the page unbroken. You could use as well max-width: x; for the
2500px case.

HTH.

David Gallanders
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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[~davidLaakso]

Dave M G wrote:
 Lori, David, CSS-d,

 Thank you very much for your comments, and taking the time to be so 
 helpful. If it's not too much to bear, I have some follow up questions.

 FWIW, a level 2 heading is missing.
 I'm sorry, what does this mean?



RE: http://formever.org

It is called nit-picking :-) .
The headings h1 through h6 should form an outline of a document. h1 is 
normally the title. And then it drills down h2 through h6 (some of which 
may be used more than once). You have stated a three-level outline: h1 
and h3. But you are missing h2. In plain English, simply change your h3 
to h2 in both the source document and the CSS. You will then have a 
two-level outline document.




 Ditch the validation buttons?
 Really? I tried to make them as unobtrusive as possible by fading them 
 out. Is it that you find them distracting?



No big deal. More nit-picking. You are setting yourself (and your 
client) up for every maniac who is going to check the markup and css 
validation on every page in the site and delight in informing your 
client of matters that are inconsequential and frivolous. Just 
validate.  No need to ram it down everyone's throat and distract those 
users who have no clue what those buttons mean and could care less.








 You need a background-color for users at 1280 and up (not everyone 
 sees white beneath the bottom of the image)
 I've added background: white to the CSS. Shouldn't that make any 
 extra space below the image white?




Yes. You are good to go now. I default to fuchsia to keep myself from 
making the same error.






 Hey, that site service looks useful. I might sign up for that.


It is very expensive. I belong to a group. The cost is more reasonable. 
I will hold your address and try to remember to let you know when the 
subscription opens-- it should not be long.

But more important: _The advice you really need to heed from your site 
check was from Holly Bergevin._


Best,

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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/04/26 12:55 (GMT+0900) Dave M G apparently typed:

 I've settled on a design that I'm happy with, and I'd like to invite 
 people to make comments, both technical and artistic.

 http://formever.org

 As far as technical commentary goes:
 It should display correctly in FireFox. I'm using Linux, so I'd be happy 
 to hear from people with the following browsers and operating systems.
 FireFox on Windows and Mac
 IE7 on Windows
 Safari on Mac

 Some known issues:
 Resizing the text up will cause the tab marked articles to move out of 
 place relative to the other tabs. This is because some of the HTML code 
 is temporary while some PHP code is being finalized.
 Resizing the text very large will cause text in the tabs to expand 
 beyond the bottom borders of the tabs.
 Expanding the window to above 2500 pixels wide or shrinking to around 
 400 pixels or less will cause the design to break.

 As for any artistic commentary, I'll not say anything about the goals 
 and client requirements for now, as I'd be interested to hear initial 
 reactions that are free of preconceptions. Any comments or constructive 
 criticism at all would be very welcome.

Likely anyone who uses a big display in order to see better rather than to
see more things is likely to be unimpressed by tabs that hide behind other
tabs and nav links in a skinny little column with no more than 3 words per
line in links that require 3 lines each:

http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/tmp/sc-davemg.html
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/davemg1.jpg

I didn't resize anything. I merely arrived with my normal default set to
12pt. I suggest investigating setting widths of things like nav columns in
em in order to maintain harmonious proportions across a wide variety of user
settings. Example and basic concept:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Sites/dlviolin.html
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/widths-em-v-px.html
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/fflinelength.html
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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Dave M G]

David L, David G,Felix,

Thank you for your clarifications and comments.

David L:

There is no h2 now, but there will be lots of h2 in dynamic content, 
so I think that's okay.

Fair point about the validation buttons. The theory is, though, that the 
site will validate, so hopefully those nit pickers out there won't have 
anything to write in about. But in any case, I'll talk to the client 
about whether or not we really need to assert the validation.

After I posted my last message, I took a look at the prices for the 
browser viewing service. Definitely out of my price range. I guess I'll 
just have to keep politely asking here on this list for help...

David G:

Thank you for the minimum width tip. I will most likely implement that.

Felix,

Thank you for all the links with examples. It's a lot of useful 
information to digest, but I will endeavor to make good use of it.

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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/04/26 13:02 (GMT-0400) Dave M G apparently typed:

 After I posted my last message, I took a look at the prices for the 
 browser viewing service. Definitely out of my price range. I guess I'll 
 just have to keep politely asking here on this list for help...

Running Linux need not be an impediment to using IE to test your work:
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page which is linked on our
wiki http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BrowserTesting . Have you been
there yet?
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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[~davidLaakso]

Dave M G wrote:
 David L, David G,Felix,

 After I posted my last message, I took a look at the prices for the 
 browser viewing service. Definitely out of my price range. I guess 
 I'll just have to keep politely asking here on this list for help...
OK. Don't wait for my offer to let you know when the next far less 
expensive group subscription opens. Go ahead. Knock yourself out. Bring 
IE on board your:
Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn
Kernel 2.6.20-15-generic
Pentium D Dual Core Processor

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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Jasper Jupiter]

I am new to this list so I'm not sure about the scope of a site
check may be or not be, but personally I don't care for the design in
general.

Interesting the comments in relates posts about forward looking,
when the design itself is not.
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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[david]

Holly Bergevin wrote:
 From: Dave M G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 http://formever.org
 
 IE6 is dead to me now.

If you mean that in the sense that IE6 won't be getting any more bug 
fixes to address CSS-related problems, that's fine.

 While this is certainly your, and your clients choice not to support
 IE6, it seems a little shortsighted. I'd to point out just a couple
 of things.
 
 First, there are undoubtedly many, many people who _cannot_ run IE7
 on their computer, because their OS does not support it, and they are
 unable or unwilling to upgrade their computer. These same people
 could indeed use a different browser, but why should they?

For some recent statistics:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

For the first three months of 2007, IE6 use is running more than twice 
that of IE7.

I've worked in large corporations, and many have still locked their 
users onto IE6 because they run internal web-based applications that 
don't function properly in IE7 (for whatever reason). And their users 
cannot just upgrade to IE7, the systems are too locked down for that.

 Your JavaScript alert (box) for IE6 and whatever users has a script
 error, so before I (who cannot run IE7) can get to your page, I have
 to click off an error message. Doesn't make me feel very confident
 about what else I am going to encounter in your pages.
 
 IE6 is still supported, by many, many practical people, designers and
 developers and clients as well. The fact that you and your client
 have chosen not to support it should be indicated, with a wording
 change in the alert, to the effect that YOU do no choose to support
 IE6, not that it is unsupported.
 
 Finally, I would rethink leaving potetentially offensive descriptions
 in the comments of your source. You have no idea why people have
 chosen not to use IE7, and someone, like me, might be offended to
 find out that you think my browser sucks.

It's also quite unprofessional, IMHO.

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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Dave M G]

Jasper,

Thank you for responding.
 I am new to this list so I'm not sure about the scope of a site
 check may be or not be, but personally I don't care for the design in
 general.
Can you be more specific about what it is you don't like? I'd be very 
interested to hear a negative critique of the design.

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[css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Dave M G]

CSS-d,

I've settled on a design that I'm happy with, and I'd like to invite 
people to make comments, both technical and artistic.

The site is here:
http://formever.org

As far as technical commentary goes:
It should display correctly in FireFox. I'm using Linux, so I'd be happy 
to hear from people with the following browsers and operating systems.
FireFox on Windows and Mac
IE7 on Windows
Safari on Mac

IE6 and lower will almost certainly not work because of my use of 
transparent PNGs and no holly hack for div positioning, and very 
likely other issues. And that's  cool by me. IE6 is dead to me now.

Some known issues:
Resizing the text up will cause the tab marked articles to move out of 
place relative to the other tabs. This is because some of the HTML code 
is temporary while some PHP code is being finalized.
Resizing the text very large will cause text in the tabs to expand 
beyond the bottom borders of the tabs.
Expanding the window to above 2500 pixels wide or shrinking to around 
400 pixels or less will cause the design to break.

As for any artistic commentary, I'll not say anything about the goals 
and client requirements for now, as I'd be interested to hear initial 
reactions that are free of preconceptions. Any comments or constructive 
criticism at all would be very welcome.

Thank you for your time and help.

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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[~davidLaakso]

Dave M G wrote:
 CSS-d,

 I've settled on a design that I'm happy with, and I'd like to invite 
 people to make comments, both technical and artistic.

 The site is here:
 http://formever.org
   
FWIW, a level 2 heading is missing.
Ditch the validation buttons?
A little slow loading the image.
You need a background-color for users at 1280 and up (not everyone sees 
white beneath the bottom of the image)
If it is of concern, she overlaps horizontally at 800 in all browsers.
There is a repeat of the folder image at the bottom right and left 
corner of the large file folder in IE7--
look closely at the captures and you'll see it.

Nine captures XP IE 7, Opera 9, and FF 2.
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=342746

Best,
~dL

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Re: [css-d] Site check: formever.org

[Lori Lay]

~davidLaakso wrote:
 Dave M G wrote:
   
 CSS-d,

 I've settled on a design that I'm happy with, and I'd like to invite 
 people to make comments, both technical and artistic.

 The site is here:
 http://formever.org
   
 
 FWIW, a level 2 heading is missing.
 Ditch the validation buttons?
 A little slow loading the image.
 You need a background-color for users at 1280 and up (not everyone sees 
 white beneath the bottom of the image)
 If it is of concern, she overlaps horizontally at 800 in all browsers.
 There is a repeat of the folder image at the bottom right and left 
 corner of the large file folder in IE7--
 look closely at the captures and you'll see it.

 Nine captures XP IE 7, Opera 9, and FF 2.
 http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=342746

   
I also notice that it takes only one text enlargement (FF 2 Mac) for the 
text to start breaking out of the tabs.  The sliding doors technique had 
some guidelines for allowing the tabs to grow, so you might want to 
check that out.  The side panels seem to survive ok.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] site check please, picture links added

[Peter Hyde-Smith]

http://test.fatpawdesign.com/

Sorry about lack of clarity regarding problem. Above URL links to page with 
picture links that show what I mean.

Cheers,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Hyde-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [css-d] site check please,need help with lower nav in header in 
IE7/WIN XP


 http://test.fatpawdesign.com/purm/purm.aminepolyols.html
 http://test.fatpawdesign.com/purm/purmbaseformatcss.css
 http://test.fatpawdesign.com/purm/purmpagecss.css

 In FF and Opera in Win XP; and in FF, Opera, and IE6 in Win2K the
 h3.titlerow clears the floated dl#pagenav above it, so the blue background
 of it and the blue background of the a.youarehere nav tab appear as a 
 unit,
 and the rest of the dl#pagenav shows the #111 background behind it. In IE7
 in Win XP the h3.titlerow does not clear the floated dl#pagenav. Its 
 height
 seems to extend to the bottom of the h3Raw Material Guide - Polyols/h3
 above, and its blue background shows through dl#pagenav. Any suggestions? 

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Re: [css-d] site check please, picture links added

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Peter Hyde-Smith wrote:
 http://test.fatpawdesign.com/

 Above URL links to page with picture links that show what I mean.

I suggest you add a 'hasLayout' trigger...
#pageheader {height: 100%;}
...but I can't check if that'll make IE7 clear properly.

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Re: [css-d] site check please, picture links added

[Peter Hyde-Smith]

- Original Message - 
From: Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Peter Hyde-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] site check please, picture links added


 Peter Hyde-Smith wrote:
 http://test.fatpawdesign.com/

 Above URL links to page with picture links that show what I mean.

 I suggest you add a 'hasLayout' trigger...
 #pageheader {height: 100%;}
 ...but I can't check if that'll make IE7 clear properly.

 regards
 Georg
 -- 
 http://www.gunlaug.no

Georg:

Thanks. That did it.

Ever tempted to put at the begining of the CSS declarations,

*{height: 100%;}

 :-)

Cheers,

Peter


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Re: [css-d] site check please, picture links added

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Peter Hyde-Smith wrote:
 Ever tempted to put at the begining of the CSS declarations,
 
 *{height: 100%;}

'hasLayout' is not a cure - it's _the_ disease, so I would only try that 
in cases where IE works flawless and I'm really, really, bored ;-)

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[css-d] Site check please - concerns about clearing floats, and internet explorer (all versions)

[Christopher Blake]

Hi,

Please spare a moment and help me with my site tests. I have been  
trying to clear floats in the main content. It has worked on all the  
browsers listed below except i.e. 5.2-mac.

http://www.3pointdesign.com/

http://www.3pointdesign.com/styles/one.css

Safari 2.0.4
Firefox mozilla 1.5.0.9 
Webkit (safari)
Netscape 7.2
Opera 9.10
Internet explorer 5.2

all mac browsers.

The website looks just the way I want in all of the above browsers  
except Internet Explorer. It is an old version and I am not too  
fussed, however I am of course very concerned that it is coming out  
ok on pc - especially i.e. 6+

If anyone has an idea of why i.e. 5 .2 on the mac is making such a  
cock up of it then please let me know.

Please link me to a better method of rounded corners to get this  
effect if you know of one. Is my method of clearing the bottom of  
floated images ok?

All advice and criticisms are welcome.

If my code does not validate it is because of trying to embed the  
flash. I spent all morning trying to find a way that validates wc3,  
but had no luck. Is flash a big problem for wc3 validation?  -  
apologies if off topic.

Best wishes, chris



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[css-d] site check please, need help with lower nav in header in IE7/WIN XP

[Peter Hyde-Smith]

http://test.fatpawdesign.com/purm/purm.aminepolyols.html
http://test.fatpawdesign.com/purm/purmbaseformatcss.css
http://test.fatpawdesign.com/purm/purmpagecss.css

In FF and Opera in Win XP; and in FF, Opera, and IE6 in Win2K the 
h3.titlerow clears the floated dl#pagenav above it, so the blue background 
of it and the blue background of the a.youarehere nav tab appear as a unit, 
and the rest of the dl#pagenav shows the #111 background behind it. In IE7 
in Win XP the h3.titlerow does not clear the floated dl#pagenav. Its height 
seems to extend to the bottom of the h3Raw Material Guide - Polyols/h3 
above, and its blue background shows through dl#pagenav. Any suggestions? I 
can change the nav bar background to #111, but the blue still shows through 
on the left edge due to the intentional 2px offset. If I stick an empty h3 
element, all of which in the header have clear: both applied, the problem is 
eliminated but others crop up. If I move the h3.titlerow oustide of the 
div#pageheader, it clears okay, but then the dl#pagenav background shows as 
white. Meh... BTW, the invalid CSS is from the Yahoo UI CSS font reset .

Any help on this (and in other places) is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance. Cheers,

Peter
www.fatpawdesign.com

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Request

[Lori Lay]

Robert DeLaurentis wrote:
 I would appreciate anyone who takes the time to look at my site and  
 lets me know how its working on their browsers. This is my first all- 
 CSS site. I tried to use minimal number of classes, ids for major  
 layouy divs only, and as little non-standard cruft as possible.

 http://sbwc2.bobdel.com/about_director.php

 http://sbwc2.bobdel.com/css/main.css

 Each page validates XHTML 1.0 Strict (except for a two legacy pages  
 that use frames and a couple that depend on mySQL). CSS also validates.

   

Actually, I get an unexpected end of XML source error on line 34 in 
the about_director page and 98 warnings.

 There are several outstanding issues that I know about, and don't yet  
 know how to fix:

 In IE 6, the drop down menu, the entire box for the first entry is  
 clickable, yet the subsequent boxes only the text link is hot. Also  
 in IE 6, there is a 1 pixel white line that appears on the right of  
 the header graphic when the window is resized to some, but not all,  
 widths. And finally, I'd like to be able to center the entire nav bar  
 inside its container div, but am not sure how to make that work.

 Thank you!
 Bob

   

I think you have to surround the text in the anchors with a span to make 
the entire box clickable in ie.  Do a Google search on ie clickable 
region fix and you will get a bunch of links to various solutions.  
There's even been some discussion about this on the list, no surprise there.

Centering block level elements is accomplished by setting the left and 
right margins to auto.  You may have to create another nested division 
in the nav bar to do that.  This doesn't work in IE 6, but you can 
usually accomplish the same thing by doing text-align: center for IE.  
You might want to fix up a few of these issues and then post another 
question for any specific problems that still remain.  I think you 
message may have been lost a bit.  Posting a question to a specific 
problem might generate more replies.

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Re: [css-d] site check

[jeffrey morin]

Thank you much for the help. It's coming along

Jeff

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 jeffrey morin wrote:
  www.melissagerstein.com/tests/akon/akon.htm

 The addition of...

 ul#secondaryNav {display: inline;}

 ...will fix the 'margin doubling on floats' bug in IE6, and make the
 columns line up as intended in that browser.

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[css-d] site check

[jeffrey morin]

hi everyone,

i'm not too experienced with 3 column layouts. could you be so kind as to
let me know if this is acceptable. it hasn't been debugged yet but works ok
in ff and ie7. haven't checked anything else yet. thanks

Jeff

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[css-d] Site Check Request

[Robert DeLaurentis]

I would appreciate anyone who takes the time to look at my site and  
lets me know how its working on their browsers. This is my first all- 
CSS site. I tried to use minimal number of classes, ids for major  
layouy divs only, and as little non-standard cruft as possible.

http://sbwc2.bobdel.com/about_director.php

http://sbwc2.bobdel.com/css/main.css

Each page validates XHTML 1.0 Strict (except for a two legacy pages  
that use frames and a couple that depend on mySQL). CSS also validates.

There are several outstanding issues that I know about, and don't yet  
know how to fix:

In IE 6, the drop down menu, the entire box for the first entry is  
clickable, yet the subsequent boxes only the text link is hot. Also  
in IE 6, there is a 1 pixel white line that appears on the right of  
the header graphic when the window is resized to some, but not all,  
widths. And finally, I'd like to be able to center the entire nav bar  
inside its container div, but am not sure how to make that work.

Thank you!
Bob


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Re: [css-d] site check

[Ian Young]

 To: CSS
 Subject: [css-d] site check


 hi everyone,

 i'm not too experienced with 3 column layouts. could you be so kind as to
 let me know if this is acceptable. it hasn't been debugged yet
 but works ok
 in ff and ie7. haven't checked anything else yet. thanks


Totally breaks in IE6 with the middle col slipping below the left hand col.
Sorry but haven't time to look. Check that your padding/margin don't add
more than width of wrapper div failing that it may be a position:relative.

I am sure someone will put you right.

Good luck, it looks great on FF

Ian
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Re: [css-d] site check

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

jeffrey morin wrote:
 www.melissagerstein.com/tests/akon/akon.htm

The addition of...

ul#secondaryNav {display: inline;}

...will fix the 'margin doubling on floats' bug in IE6, and make the
columns line up as intended in that browser.

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Re: [css-d] Site check for formever.org (PNG Info for anyone interested)

[Joe Schmitt]

Hi Dave,

Started working on this before I saw your Completed message. I used a few
of your images to show how to display PNG files in IE 5-6. A filter needs to
be loaded in the IE browser to allow the transparency to work. I created a
page with an example and some links to further info.
http://www.joeschmittjr.com/css-d/07-03-29_SiteCheckForFormever.org/HomePage-reduced.htm
Hope someone finds it useful.
Joe

- Original Message - 
From: Dave M G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CSS Discuss css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:23 AM
Subject: [css-d] Site check for formever.org


 CSS-d,

 If any of you out there would be kind enough to tell me if you see any
 errors on your browser/platform, that would be really awesome. I've
 checked that my design validates.

 The design I'd like to test is here:
 http://formever.org/css_test

 I'm using FireFox on Ubuntu(Linux), and that's all I personally have for
 testing (well, I suppose I could check in Konqueror, but I'm more
 interested in Mac and Windows issues).

 Here's what it looks like for me:
 http://formever.org/firefox_linux.png

 To get corners and borders around the main content area, I'm using the
 Javascript solution from here:

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200609/transparent_custom_corners_and_borders_version_2/

 This does use PNGs with transparency, which I could probably avoid. But,
 since the new IE is supposed to properly support PNG, and phase out the
 old versions, hopefully the time is ripe to start going in the direction
 of taking full advantage of PNGs.

 The design should be reasonably fluid. It breaks if you shrink the
 window horizontally to below somewhere around 300 to 400 pixels. And
 will break if you scale to somewhere above 2000 pixels wide.

 I'm trying to leave it open for most text to be resized up or down
 without too much destruction, but right now the two tabs above the main
 content area move out of place if the text size deviates from 1em (on my
 machine, anyway). Suggestions for how to cope with that are welcome.

 Thank you for any help, and I hope to hear from you.

 -- 
 Dave M G
 Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft
 Kernel 2.6.20-5-generic
 Pentium D Dual Core Processor
 PHP 5, MySQL 5, Apache 2


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[css-d] Site Check Please

[Taryn Regish]

Hi all-

I have finally finished converting our current site from a very messy table
layout to a pure css site, including flyouts. I would appreciate any
feedback on it.

http://www.ism.ws/FinalNewIndex.cfm


Thanks,

Taryn
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Re: [css-d] Site check for formever.org [COMPLETED]

[Dave M G]

David,

Thank you for responding.

 IE6 on Windows xp.
 I keep getting pop-up Internet Explorer alerts (five of 'em) saying
 Press OK to continue loading the content of this page.

I can't verify that this behavior happens with anyone else.

It has been suggested to me that this might be the result of a setting 
in your IE preferences. In Javascript settings, one of the possible 
options is to ask for your confirmation when loading Javascript.

Because the IE7 patch uses Javascript to process the PNG files, it's 
possible that this might be triggering your confirmation preference.

In any case, thanks to everyone who gave me some feedback on my site. 
I've decided to take a few new directions with it based on what I've 
learned here.

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[css-d] Site check for formever.org

[Dave M G]

CSS-d,

If any of you out there would be kind enough to tell me if you see any 
errors on your browser/platform, that would be really awesome. I've 
checked that my design validates.

The design I'd like to test is here:
http://formever.org/css_test

I'm using FireFox on Ubuntu(Linux), and that's all I personally have for 
testing (well, I suppose I could check in Konqueror, but I'm more 
interested in Mac and Windows issues).

Here's what it looks like for me:
http://formever.org/firefox_linux.png

To get corners and borders around the main content area, I'm using the 
Javascript solution from here:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200609/transparent_custom_corners_and_borders_version_2/

This does use PNGs with transparency, which I could probably avoid. But, 
since the new IE is supposed to properly support PNG, and phase out the 
old versions, hopefully the time is ripe to start going in the direction 
of taking full advantage of PNGs.

The design should be reasonably fluid. It breaks if you shrink the 
window horizontally to below somewhere around 300 to 400 pixels. And 
will break if you scale to somewhere above 2000 pixels wide.

I'm trying to leave it open for most text to be resized up or down 
without too much destruction, but right now the two tabs above the main 
content area move out of place if the text size deviates from 1em (on my 
machine, anyway). Suggestions for how to cope with that are welcome.

Thank you for any help, and I hope to hear from you.

-- 
Dave M G
Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft
Kernel 2.6.20-5-generic
Pentium D Dual Core Processor
PHP 5, MySQL 5, Apache 2


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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Jeralyn Merideth]

Thanks Peter and to all that responded.I am looking into the css error.

Jeralyn




 

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Re: [css-d] Site check for formever.org

[Kenny Graham]

 If any of you out there would be kind enough to tell me if you see any
 errors on your browser/platform, that would be really awesome.

List item text is escaping a few characters out the right side of the
Learn More box in FF2/Win.  Adding some right padding should fix it.
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Re: [css-d] Site check for formever.org

[Dave M G]

CSS-d,

Thank you so much to those that have sent me screen shots. And thank you 
Kenny for the information about FF on Windows.

As expected, IE6 is having some troubles with the transparent bits of 
the PNGs. And a couple of other placement issues.

I've just tried putting in the IE7 Javascript patch to make IE6 and 
IE5 theoretically behave more like a standards compliant browser:
http://dean.edwards.name/IE7

The site claims that the patch will enable IE6 to handle PNG 
transparencies.

So my question to anyone who can check with IE6 is... does it work? Has 
it helped at all?

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Re: [css-d] Site check for formever.org

[David Hucklesby]

Hi Dave,

Re: http://formever.org/css_test

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:17:26 +0900, you wrote:

 As expected, IE6 is having some troubles with the transparent bits of the 
 PNGs. And a
 couple of other placement issues.

 I've just tried putting in the IE7 Javascript patch to make IE6 and IE5 
 theoretically
 behave more like a standards compliant browser: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7

 The site claims that the patch will enable IE6 to handle PNG transparencies.

 So my question to anyone who can check with IE6 is... does it work? Has it 
 helped at
 all?

Sorry to inform you that something seems awry in IE6 on Windows xp.
I keep getting pop-up Internet Explorer alerts (five of 'em) saying
Press OK to continue loading the content of this page.

PNGs appear one by one as I press OK. The final appearance is different
each time, although the (transparent?) outer edges of the images mostly
show up white - except for the Formever logo, where the background 
is black.

The page is not badly broken when it finally loads - the top and bottom
parts of the sidebars may have a gap, while the home and contact
tabs appear stacked vertically.

Sorry.

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Peter Hyde-Smith]

Subject: [css-d] Site check please
I have tested on IE 5.5, 6, and 7...the current versions of Firefox and 
Opera. Could someone please test on older browsers and the Mac please?
 http://www.servcon.net/new/index.htm
 TIA,
 Jeralyn

03/28/2007

Jeralyn:

Looks good in Safari and Firefox on the three available resolutions on our 
e-mac. Validates XHTML 1.0 strict; a couple of CSS validation errors you may 
want to check out.

Cheers,

Peter
www.fatpawdesign.com

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[css-d] Site check please

[Jeralyn Merideth]

I have tested on IE 5.5, 6, and 7...the current versions of Firefox and Opera. 
Could someone please test on older browsers and the Mac please?

http://www.servcon.net/new/index.htm

TIA,

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