[CTRL] A Vast Conspiracy: Going Over Clinton's Enemies List (fwd)

2000-01-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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From:

http://www.nytimes.com/library/books/011100toobin-book-review.html

January 11, 2000

BOOKS OF THE TIMES


A Vast Conspiracy: Going Over Clinton's Enemies List

Review by MICHIKO KAKUTANI


A VAST CONSPIRACY

The Real Story of the Sex Scandal That Nearly Brought Down a
President.

By Jeffrey Toobin.

422 pages. Random House. $25.95.


Vast Conspiracy," the title of Jeffrey Toobin's new book about
the sex scandal that led to President Clinton's impeachment,
comes of course from Hillary Clinton's accusation that a "vast
right-wing conspiracy" had been working "against my husband since
the day he announced for president."

Although Toobin says he believes that Mrs. Clinton's remarks were
delivered before she learned the truth of her husband's
involvement with Monica Lewinsky, and although her remarks also
reflect the self-pitying, go-on-the-attack stance routinely
assumed by the administration whenever it has been under fire,
Toobin comes to the conclusion that "there was indeed a 'vast
right-wing conspiracy' to get the president."

Toobin's highly partisan book does a dexterous job of showing how
Kenneth Starr's office bungled its investigation of Clinton
through a combination of zealotry, infighting and ineptitude;
this portion of the book was recently excerpted in The New
Yorker. But the book consistently plays down the role that the
president himself played in triggering and sustaining the ordeal
the country went through for so many months.

Toobin makes the dubious assertion that not only the Paula Jones
case but the Whitewater investigation as well exist "only because
of the efforts of Clinton's right-wing political enemies." He
goes on to argue that scarcely "a single prominent Democrat or
Clinton supporter" was "convinced by the evidence to change
sides," never mind that longtime Clinton allies like Sen. Joseph
I. Lieberman and the president's former aide George
Stephanopoulos, among many others, harshly criticized Clinton's
behavior.

Whereas the legal expertise of Toobin -- a former assistant U.S.
attorney and an associate counsel in the office of the
independent counsel Lawrence E. Walsh -- helped him present a
powerfully argued assessment of the O.J. Simpson case in his last
book, "The Run of His Life" (1996), the narrowly legalistic
approach here often results in a tin ear when it comes to the
subjects of politics and governance.

Although one of the themes of this book is what Toobin calls "the
legal system's takeover of the political system" -- meaning the
growing efforts on the part of liberal, and more recently
right-wing, activists to use the courts to target and change laws
-- he tends to look at the actions of Clinton and his associates
strictly in terms of criminal law.

He writes that no one could say "with the specificity required
for a criminal case, what Bill and Hillary Clinton had done
wrong" in terms of Whitewater, that scarcely anyone could
"articulate any criminal offense the president might have
committed" with "Filegate" or the campaign finance scandal, and
that Clinton's conduct in the Monica Lewinsky case was "shabby,
but not illegal."

Such arguments suggest that elected officials need not especially
worry about ethical conflicts, compromising financial
entanglements or reckless behavior as long as they have not
committed an actual crime. Toobin reaches the conclusion that the
whole impeachment crisis "was never anything more than it
appeared to be -- that of a humiliated middle-aged husband who
lied when he was caught having an affair with a young woman."

By focusing on sex, not the president's lies under oath, this
assessment ignores Clinton's failure in his constitutional duty
to uphold the rule of law; in the words of Judge Susan Webber
Wright (who presided over the Paula Jones case), he deliberately
"undermined the integrity of the judicial system." It ignores his
lies not only to his family, but also to his staff, to members of
Congress and to the American public, his using others to lie for
him while imperiling the political agenda he was elected to help
implement.

For that matter, Toobin blames the media and the legal system,
not Clinton's stonewalling, for creating a new set of victims:
"the witnesses who had to hire lawyers, the targets who had to
live in fear, the investigating agents who had to turn away from
more important work and the public that was distracted from the
real business of government and, of course, had to pay the bill."

While Toobin observes that Clinton dealt with the crisis "not
with candor and grace, but rather with the dishonesty and
self-pity that are among the touchstones of his character," he
consistently portrays the president as a victim of "extremists of
the political right who tried to use the legal system to undo
elections -- in particular the two that put Bill Clinton in the
White House."

Toobin spends the better part of this book railing against

[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #6

2000-01-11 Thread Amelia K Edgeman

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=_Ric,
Is your "good riddance to 'em" directed at the entire South, eh?  Or, are
you referring to this particular ousted Preacher?  I can guess, but let's
clarify just for the record.
Amelia

 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

 # Judge ousts rebel preacher. YORK, Alabama. (AP)  New faces started
showing
   up at sleepy York Presbyterian Church when pastor Martin Murphy joined a
   group that few members of the gray-haired congregation knew much about:
   The League of the South. Suddenly, the little church was drawing younger
   people from miles around. The cracked asphalt parking lot - once nearly
   empty on Sundays - was brimming with cars plastered with Confederate
flags
   and slogans like "Southern Independence Now!" Today, both Murphy and his
   followers are gone. Not with the wind, but by court order. Acting on a
   lawsuit by old-line leaders of the 120-year-old church, a court evicted
   Murphy and his people from York Presbyterian, where they had gained a
   voting majority. A judge ruled that Murphy and a band of rebels covertly
   took over the church to promote the League, which wants the South to
   secede from the Union again. And good riddance to'em, eh? See
   http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563179267-e98

 : Does your belief system subvert authority, property, morality? D'ya
care?
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[CTRL] Barry Chamish: Ezer (fwd)

2000-01-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:35:14 +0200 (IST)
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Subject: ezer

The Seroussi Bribe

By Barry Chamish

   In the past three days I have been overwhelmed with
correspondence asking for my take on Eduard Seroussi's "gifts" to
Ezer Weizman. I was reluctant to dive into the subject without
current documentation but will do my best with facts I have
previously gathered and by using obvious logic.

   Of logic, we were originally told that between 1988 and 1991,
Weizman received $450,000 from Seroussi as "gifts."
Puleeeaaase!!! No one forks over $450,000 as a gift. We are
talking about a bribe and to get to the bottom of the affair, we
have to seek what Weizman gave in return.

   Yesterday, journalist Yoav Yitzhak revealed that the "gifts"
actually began in 1986, when Seroussi gave $6.5 million to
Weizman's Yahad Party. Now we can be sure of two things: That
kind of money is not a gift, it's a bribe and the bribe was
political in nature.

   Now let's do a little background research utilizing the
talents of writers ostracized by the Israeli establishment.

   Prof. Uri Milstein informed me that he has indisputable
testimony that in 1977, President Carter forced the newly-elected
Prime Minister Menachem Begin to appoint Moshe Dayan as his
Foreign Minister. Israelis were aghast at the choice because of
the fiasco of his performance as Defence Minister prior to and
during the Yom Kippur War. Carter and the folks from the
Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg group who put him in power
(Brezhinski and Vance were members of both organizations) had a
different outlook: they were grateful for Dayan's Yom Kippur
performance and wanted him in Begin's cabinet to take their
position in upcoming peace negotiations.

   When those negotiations began at Camp David in 1979, Ezer
Weizman was Begin's chief negotiator. Dr. Yosef Doriel, the
author of a brilliant book on the manipulation of Israel's
economy and a longtime government insider, described the tactics
at Camp David to me. Citing high-level personal sources, he
assured me that, "powerful psychology was used on Begin and it
included drugging his coffee. Weizman and Dayan were to take
Sadat and Carter's side on all issues, isolating Begin and
convincing him that his viewpoint on every issue was wrong."

   Doriel insisted that Weizman's supposedly unexplainable switch
from Likud hawk to Yahad super-dove was not his personal choice
but occurred with the overpowering encouragement of outsiders.
One of those outsiders was most certainly the French
multi-millionaire Eduard Seroussi, who transferred $6.5 million
to Weizman's political party.

   Rabbi Marvin Antleman, author of the widely admired book on
the covert war against Judaism, To Eliminate The Opiate, phoned
me last night with an observation. "A number of years ago I was
interviewed by a Dutch newspaper and the reporter informed me
that Seroussi had attended a recent meeting of the Bilderberg
group. He asked if I had any more information on Seroussi's
internalist activities."

   This is not the place to detail the Bilderbergers' sinister
control of global politics. It would be best for the reader to
enter his favorite search engine and find the information
himself. Leave it be said that there are strong indications that
Weizman is being manipulated by powerful outsiders. It is most
unlikely that Seroussi pulled $7 million from his own pocket and
handed it over to Weizman. He was merely the conduit for others
who chose to invest in Weizman's political future. Most likely,
Seroussi was the point man for the French corruption of Weizman,
just as Jean Frydman played the same role with Shimon Peres.

   To digress, Jean Frydman, the French media mogul, invested the
same figure $6.5 million, in a campaign to promote the Oslo
Accord in 1994. The same Frydman also paid for the rally where
Yitzhak Rabin was murdered in a security services plot in 1995.
Thus, it is very safe to say, that the French had a serious
investment in an Israeli capitulation to the PLO and the payoff
began in late 1989.

   It was then that Ezer Weizman initiated the "peace" process
with a series of illegal meetings with PLO executives in Europe.
In January, 1990, these meetings were leaked and most likely by
Shimon Peres...Most likely because Peres exploited the meetings
to try and bring down the Shamir government, of which he was a
reluctant coalition member, and force new elections. Shamir and
Sharon fell into the trap and demanded that then-Science Minister
Weizman be removed from the government, and an investigation into
his treasonous activities be initiated. And they were treasonous
by law because meetings with the PLO were illegal. Peres took
Weizman's side and the government almost fell. However, Shamir
caught onto the plot and accepted a compromise which saw 

[CTRL] Alec Newald interview on Art Bell Part 2

2000-01-11 Thread Nicky Molloy

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PAGE TWO
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2301/transcript1.html


PW : Well isn’t that good evolution for mankind?


AN : I believe thats a brilliant idea and if there’s a push from some
benevolent ET civilisation behind it, that might perhaps be a true sign that
these people are not the ogres and the little green men with the ray guns
that are depicted from Hollywood.


PW : Teresa in Tennessee


Teresa : Thankyou, hi Peter hi Alec. My question is when Alec when you were
abducted could you at any time touch these beings or could you see them, and
if so what did they look like, and how did you know when they contacted you
that they were there.


AN : Well after the first initial indoctrination or rebuilding of bodies
they were as physical as I could touch their bodies just like I could touch
you if you were in the same room as me. They were real and I knew they were
real and that made a difference to me.


PW : Joe in Vancouver BC


Joe : I wanted to relate some experiences that have been happening lately,
abductions, mine aren’t as heavy as Alecs are but I wanted to relate that
there is a war going on out there, an intergalactic war between good and
evil and that there may shortly be an event that might have something to do
with the Anti-Christ and that it is time that everyone as we prayer that we
pray globally and think of the global consciousness and the earth so that no
hard should come to us.


PW : What about this Alec, is that a intergalactic war going on between good
and evil?


AN : Your asking me Peter?


PW : I am Alec.


AN : I believe that there certainly is a war going on in our skies, in our
atmosphere. If you call if between good and evil I just wonder which is
which.


PW : So you have no idea.


AN : Oh I believe there is a war going on alright - I was told there is and
I’ve seen reports I’ve seen NASA shots of particle beams weapons being shot
from Australia into the atmosphere at glowing disk shaped craft which are
not normal space craft. I’ve seen evidence from earth that there’s something
going on and I’ve been told from the other side there’s something going on,
I have to believe it Peter.


PW : Alec are you still in touch with these Aliens now?


AN : Not physically Peter, from 1989 the direct contact was cut, actually if
we get time to get back to it later, there was alot of childhood
interactions that I didn’t fully understand at that stage so it wasn’t new
to me I just didn’t put it in the right context early on in my life.


PW : So since that meeting some 10 years ago, you’ve had no further contact
with the Aliens?


AN : Not that I’m physically aware of or can remember Peter.


PW : Do you think telepathically?


AN : I have to believe they had to help me write the book because I’ve never
ever written anything than a letter home in my life and yet I sat down one
day that book just flowed out of me and I don’t fully believe it was all my
own work.


PW : You know this is a fascinating story, and in his book he talks about
how he was told that these people told him, or these aliens told him that
homosapiens and Cro-Magnon species were artifically engineered and that
these ET’s that artifically engineered us are trying to get back to earth
but that the world governments are trying to stop them. Alec are all of us
artificially engineered by these ET’s according to what your belief is?


AN : I can’t really say for the overall human race Peter, I just know of
particular bloodlines that were generated for particular purposes but in the
research I’ve done since my own experience, if you want to count what I’ve
found out since then, it would appear that more than one extraterrestrial
race has had a go at playing with human engineering and genetics. So we
could well be a universal mixing pot more so than we ever believed, I mean I
don’t know of anybody that can really explain all the different races on
this planet anyway... black, yellow, white... they seem to be all different
and yet in many aspects the same, so maybe I’m not really qualified to
answer that question.


PW : You talk about spending this time with Zeena, you write about it, and
she says that evolution is you understand it is a myth, changes are never
slow and that they are always planned and later I shall show you that
nothing in this universe, past, present and future, in your timescale is
left to chance. Is she saying that we are predetermined and programmed?


AN : What I gathered from that Peter, was that perhaps evolution is a
universal step that runs rampant through all of existence and everything has
it’s time and everything moves up a scale according to it’s turn and perhaps
doesn’t happen haphazardly as the Darwinian theory suggests but it happens
in large steps and stages and it may well account for why there are no
missing links and there are gaps and there are unexplained evolutionary
steps on this planet that and even 

[CTRL] Alec Newald interview on Art Bell

2000-01-11 Thread Nicky Molloy

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For photo of Alec
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2301/transcript.html

Peter Weissbach = PW
Alec Newald = AN

PW : Thankyou for joining me this morning ladies and gentlemen, it’s an
honour to sit in for Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM. Coming to you from
Seattle this evening. We’re going to hook up with a gentleman in New
Zealand, which will mean normally there’s just that split second delay when
we’re talking back and forth.


PW : One Monday in Mid February 1989 Alec Newald set off on what should have
been a three-hour drive. He arrived at his destination feeling tired and
confused, but was even more confused to learn that Monday was now Thursday
10 days later. He had no idea of what had happened in the meantime, when
Alec did retrieve his memories of those missing ten days he realised his
life had changed forever. Early on in that fateful trip, while driving
through a foggy mountain pass Alec was whisked from the road by Beings from
an Extraterrestrial Civilisation. They took him to their planet, told him
about humanities past. What is the secret no one wants you to know?


PW : Alec welcome.


AN : Hi Peter it’s really good to speak to you again.


PW : Listen when you were abducted you say be Aliens right?


AN : Well ... Dimensional Entities Peter, it’s very hard to label these
things when you’re searching for truth you don’t really want to put earthly
words to something you don’t really understand entirely.


PW : So you’re driving along, the next thing you know it’s ten days later,
you’re confused your tired and then tell us... you’re trying to make up for
the ten days, you think you suffered amnesia?


AN : Well there were a lot of things going through my mind Peter at that
stage. Yes basically I was concerned for my health and I actually had a
medical check up immediately after that, I passed with a clean bill of
health but one thing I did find that I had a rather rare blood group... Well
I was a rhesus negative blood group which I had never heard of before and I
started to do some research. And I found out over the course of the last few
years that people with Rhesus Negative Blood have certainly been having more
strange interactions with what we might call Interdimensional Entities than
those of the most regular blood group, so for whatever the reasons there’s a
tie up there with something in our past I believe Peter.


PW : Well lets go back ten years ago. So you’re back your confused your
putting pieces together, it’s ten days later, you can’t figure out whats
going on. How do you finally come to this realisation that says “hey wait a
minute, I was actually abducted”, “I was taken away by ET’s”.


AH : Well thats a long story Peter, you’ve got allow me to explain the
last five or six years I’ve been sifting through what happened and trying to
piece together what happened. What started me to recall was alot of bits and
pieces in dreams. I just kept on waking in the middle of the night with the
same dream and I started to write down what I believed what the dream was
about. Because I was trying to work it out, if you can understand, having an
unusual experience missing ten days and then having these dreams that were
almost trying to explain to me the missing time. So I started jotting down
what I believed the dream was about and in the end it actually pieced
together as a consistent theme or almost a storyline which I started to
believe was what truly happened over those ten days. And from that I’ve done
alot of research since and I’ve found at at that stage I thought I must
be the only one having these sort of experiences and could I believe them to
be true... until I found out when I did research and got onto the internet
and that, that I’m just one of many that are having these interactions and
unfortunately getting onto the mainstream media and trying to get this story
out to the general public is a no go, there just seems to be a media embargo
with anybody who’s having these types of interactions. You just can not get
anything out into the general public. So people remain ignorant to whats
going on to a large percentage of the human race.


PW : Right I want to get into whats happening with the Human Race. I just
want to get the background down. So when you arrived ten days later, you
must have been somewhat frightened, I would be if I couldn’t account for ten
days of my life. I mean it would really bother me - what was going through
your mind then?


AN : Well that’s exactly right. Thats why I went and had the medical
examination to start with, because I thought that the obvious thing was that
I’d had a nervous breakdown. But what actually happened in the car leading
up to this episode was from what I could remember, the last conscious
recollection was that it appeared that I had lost control of the car, and
for some reason the steering wheel had frozen and I couldn’t use the brakes
and the 

[CTRL] FW: OBRL - Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH

2000-01-11 Thread Fransy

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Subject: Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH

News from Robert Cohen, who's on a hunger strike to publicize and urge
removal of rBGH from the dairy business and its effects from the milk
supply.

In the past few days we've heard from someone, about a 1-1/2-year old girl
who had to have a kidney removed due to a Wilms tumor.  We contacted
Robert about this, and he promptly replied with a citation to a study,
several years old, showing high levels of IGF-1, a hormone that is
elevated in milk from rBGH-treated cows, in Wilms tumors.  More below.

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Following our recent mail-out of Robert Cohen's testimony before Congress,
concerning Monsanto's recombinant (genetically modified) Bovine Growth
Hormone and its effects on the nation's milk supply, we received this from
a correspondent:

-I have a friend whose year and a half old daughter that had to
-have a kidney removed this summer ' 99. She had a Wilms tumor.
-They told me that the incidence of the tumors is increasing. They
-also were told it was a genetic factor that she got the tumor.

-During my visits to the hospital the mother stated that it was hard
-to get her daughter to drink water as a clear liquid because she had
-never had water before. She had only had milk her entire life.

Robert Cohen replies:

  Milk from the healthiest cows contains the bovine growth hormone and
  insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I).

  Yun demonstrated that IGF hormones were 32-64 times more abundant in
  Wilms tumors than in the adjacent uninvolved kidneys.

  (K. Yun, et al. "Insulin-like growth factor II messenger ribonucleic
  acid expression in Wilms tumor, nephrogenic rest, and kidney."
  Department of Pathology, University of Otago Medical School, Dunedin,
  New Zealand. Lab-Invest., November, 1993, 69(5), pp. 603-615.)

IGF-1, says Cohen, is the only known cross-species hormone, one that is
identical in cows and in humans.  It is always present in dairy products,
but is -more- present (elevated) in milk from rBGH-treated cows.

More from Robert Cohen at:

  http://www.notmilk.com
  http://www.hungerstrike.com

 email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 to arrange interviews, appearances:  1-888-NOT-MILK  (Ann or Lisa)


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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 11:36:27 -0500

SUBSTANTIAL DIVERGENCE

On this 50th day of my hunger strike, I have learned a new secret, and I
am very greatly concerned.

While anti-biotech protestors were rioting in the streets of Seattle, a
new episode in the continuing saga of Monsanto's revolving door tactics
quietly developed beyond FDA's "palace" doors.

Somebody may be breaking the law, participating in unethical activity at
the least, insider trading and influence, betrayal of our health
interests, and the time has come for us to ask: "What's up?"

The same grandiloquent question that Bugs Bunny asks Elmer Fudd can
fittingly be asked of our scientists and government regulators:  "What's
up, Doc?"

Appropriately, that question should also be directed to the president of
Monsanto, Robert Shapiro.  "What's up, Bob?"

Actually, as we get closer to asking this very same question to the
guiltiest of conspirators, we have discovered a source of future ills in
the nick of time.  Knowing the proper question to ask might very well nip
the problem deep within the pollen of its genetically engineered bud.

THE REAL ENEMY

Today, on this first day after Christmas, let us ask together, "What's up,
John."  You might be wondering just who this John fellow is. Actually,
it's UPJOHN.  You might ask, "What's up, John?"  Well, I'm gonna tell you.
Activists of the world, unite.  We have met the enemy. (UPJOHN is not
where I want you to stick your proverbial placards and banners of protest.
Not yet, anyway.)

When Monsanto first presented their research to the FDA for approval of
the genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH), there were also
three other pharmaceutical companies with their own different versions of
the genetically modified organism.

Monsanto's protein formula was different than the naturally occurring
bovine growth hormone.   Monsanto's hormone was not an exact version of
the natural pituitary extract from a cow.  The end amino acid (amino acids
are the building blocks of proteins) was just a little bit different than
what naturally occurs in nature.  Actually, it was VERY different, but
Monsanto neglected to reveal all of their secrets until after their drug

[CTRL] Fw: Scythians- (israel) hypothesis - Khazars?

2000-01-11 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Are the Khazars a lost tribe?  These Jewish historians of the lost ribes
will tell you yes.

Nicky


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In connection with a Scythian-linkage with King Arhur
I would like to make a few observations:

*King Arthur and his milieu belonged to the regions of Scotland and Wales.
*The Caledonians in Scotland were part of the Pict nation who have been
misrepresented
by modern scholars as remnants of Neolithic groups whereas most of them
were not.
*Pict art and symbolism were Middle Eastern in style and origin.
*The Picts were known as good horsemen and used a type of stirrup that had
originated
in the Don River area of Southern Russia - incidentally there is a River
named
the Don River in the Pict area of Scotland.
*The Picts according to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and Irish sources came
from Scythia.
*Servius (commentary on Virgil) relates a Roman tradition that the Picts
were
Agathyrsi who had crossed the sea from Scythia to Scotland.
*THe Agathyrsi together with the Royal Scythes and Gelones were according
to Herodotous
"brothers" and the ruling nations of
Scythia even though they were not necessarily numerous.
*The Gelones are the Alans.
*Those Agathyrsi who remained in Scythia became known as the Khazars who
later
converted to Judaism though Jewish sources say that they had previously
kept a
tradition of Israelite descent and kept some books proving it.
*The Khazars were confederated with the Alans who were the only allies they
could rely
upon and some of whom also converted to Judaism and were kinfolk of the
Khazars-Agathyrsi.
*On coming westward the Alans tended to "home-in" on non-Latinised Celtic
areas
such as Brittany  in France (and Cornwall?). Perhaps they felt a kinship?

*The so-called Picts of Scotland encompassed the Caledonians and others and
comprised a good portion of the population of Scotland before the Scotti
came
over from Ireland.
*The Picts in Scotland were actually a federation of different peoples one
of
which indeed was the Agathyrsi (see  Boetius).
*Over much of  Scotland prior to the coming of Christianity dietary laws
similar to those of the
Mosaic Code were kept and continued to be kept up to a few hundred years
ago.
*There was a tradition of Israelite ancestry in Scotland which is
consistent with
a relatively recent Agathyrsi tradition.
*From Scotland there were movements of peoples into Wales and from there
further migrations to Brittany so what applies to Scotland is also
pertinant to these Celtic areas.

* A study has been made comparing the Arthurian legends to Biblical stories
and to Jewish
legends about Moses and King David. There is a strong similarity in details
and even
in the underlying "Messianic"-type ideaology.

Yair Davidy
Jerusalem
Israel

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[CTRL] Indonesia is falling apart.

2000-01-11 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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Once the country's wealth was looted by its corrupt elites and their overseas
Rich pals, the country could sustain poverty, diversity of religions, and the
desire for ethnic independence. Unlike Yugoslavia which was broken up by the
US and Germany, Indonesia is disintegrating because of the failure of the NWO's
policies of " free trade."

For those of you familiar with " Sarkar's Laws of Social Cycles ", this is a
textbook example.

Joshua2

-
International Herald Tribune, Jan. 10, 2000

Indonesia Is Falling Apart

The forces of dis-union are spreading around the world.

SINGAPORE - The Indonesian military, discredited by widespread human rights
abuses and overstretched by having to deal with multiple separatist and
sectarian conflicts, may no longer be able or willing to control the forces
that threaten to fragment the world's fourth most populous nation, some
officers and analysts say.

They worry that the army and police - far from being poised to take power
from the first democratically elected government in Indonesia in decades, as
Indonesian news organizations have reported recently - will not be effective
in restoring peace and maintaining order in such violence-prone regions as
the Moluccas and Aceh because many of their combat and crowd-control units
are poorly trained, disciplined and paid.

While there have been signs of tension between President Abdurrahman Wahid
and senior military officers over how to handle the restive regions and
generals accused of human rights excesses, military morale is also being
eroded by open disagreements between conservatives and reformists in the
army.

Major General Agus Wirahadikusuma, a leader of the reform group that wants to
make the armed forces more professional and take them out of Indonesian
politics, said last week that the Indonesian military was in no position to
mount a coup.

''That kind of thing is no longer fashionable,'' he said. ''And besides, can
we really fight against the people?'' Referring to the capital of the
Moluccas in eastern Indonesia, he added: ''We can't even take care of Ambon.
How can we launch a coup?''

Morale in the Indonesian security forces has reached an all-time low, Alan
Dupont, director of the Asia-Pacific security program at the Australian
National University's Strategic and Defense Studies Center in Canberra, said
Sunday.

''Fear that the army might stage a military coup,'' he said, ''has been
supplanted in recent weeks by a diametrically opposed concern: that a
weakened, demoralized military leadership has been sapped of the will to take
decisive action in situations where legitimate military force is required to
restore and maintain law and order.''

The failure of the security forces to halt the fighting between Muslims and
Christians in Ambon, ''suggests a lack of commitment rather than a lack of
manpower or resources,'' Mr. Dupont said.
Both Ambon and predominantly Muslim Aceh, Indonesia's westernmost province
where many Acehnese have been demanding independence, are reported to have
been peaceful over the past few days, as Muslims celebrated the religious
festival of Eid al Fitr that marks the end of the fasting month.

But two Indonesian policemen were killed, and two others wounded, by
suspected separatist guerrillas in Aceh on Saturday, the official Antara news
agency reported Sunday.

Residents and military officers in both regions are pessimistic about
prospects for an early settlement.

''What we have now is a vicious conflict rapidly spiraling out of control
with both sides wanting to take revenge for past attacks and wipe the other
out, while the military is stuck in the middle,'' said Richard Mowat, the
regional coordinator of the medical aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres in the
Moluccas and one of the few foreigners left in Ambon.

Adding to the military's morale problem is the feeling among many serving and
retired officers that the army is being unfairly blamed by the government for
human rights abuses, when in fact troops are being put in situations where
they have to kill or be killed because of the government's failure to advance
political solutions to the violence.

In an implicit rebuke to the military, President Wahid declared during a
recent visit to the restive easternmost province of Irian Jaya, ''I am
officially conveying my apology for the human rights violations in Papua,
Aceh, Ambon and other provinces.''

For more than three decades under former President Suharto, the military
wielded almost unchecked power in many parts of the country, insisting that
strong rule was essential to hold the world's largest island-nation together.

Reflecting a view that is widely held in the military, a former army chief of
staff, Rudini who like many Indonesians uses only one name, said Mr. Wahid's
government was not consistent on the issue of human rights.

''The government says it is against human rights abuses, but it says 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: FC: AOL to buy Time Warner in $350 billion merger

2000-01-11 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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1/11/2k

"IN NATURE, GIANTISM IS A LAST STAGE BEFORE EXTICTION." --Joshua2

Kris Millegan wrote:

   

 Subject: FC: AOL to buy Time Warner in $350 billion merger
 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:34:29 -0500
 From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 **

 [I will be on CNN at 12 noon et and CNN international at 1 pm et today
 talking about this deal. --Declan]

 **

 http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,33531,00.html

  AOL, Time Warner to Merge
  by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

  7:15 a.m. 10.Jan.2000 PST
  America Online said Monday it was buying
  entertainment colossus Time Warner in a
  deal that will create the world's largest
  media and online services company.

  AOL chairman and CEO Steve Case will be
  chairman of the new firm, which will be
  called AOL Time Warner and have a
  market value of some US$350 billion.

  Although both companies say the deal is
  a "merger of equals," AOL shareholders
  will own about 55 percent of the new
  corporation, with the rest going to Time
  Warner shareholders.

  The company created by the all-stock
  deal will be traded under the symbol AOL
  on the New York Stock Exchange and
  headed by Gerald Levin, Time Warner
  chairman and CEO.

  It would allow the new technology titan
  to easily leap ahead of its rivals in traffic
  rankings, beating out Yahoo.com, which
  currently tops the Media Metrix list at
  35,400,000 unique visitors a month. The
  combo of AOL and Time Warner's most
  popular sites totals over 44,200,000
  visitors for November 1999.

  The move has already drawn a rush of
  investors to the companies on Monday,
  both of which have seen their stock
  languish in recent months. Time Warner,
  which closed Friday at 64 3/4, had not
  managed to best its 52-week high of 78
  5/8 from last spring, and AOL's closing
  price of 73 3/4 is about 10 points lower
  than its May 1999 value.

  [...]

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Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?

2000-01-11 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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Fransy wrote:

 -Cavet Lector-   A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A  -Cui Bono-

 About "crap" you're the dean! Wake up !
 Stick to the Bible, at least there you don't harm anybody.
 Frans


What the hell is your problem?

Dean of crap,

J2


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 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Nurev Ind Research
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 3:26 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?

 -Cavet Lector-   A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A  -Cui Bono-

 1/11/2k

 This is a bunch of crap. It's not that the US isn't capable of doing
 something like this, it's more a case of probabilities.

 The probability that Aids was invented, is WAY down on the list.
 There is absolutely NO reason that Aids, which is a syndrome and
 not a disease, did not evolve in the natural ( though polluted )
 environment.

 Joshua2

 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
  ..
 
  Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
  From: Roberta Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?
  Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 10:02 PM
 
  will you help spread this?  It is something we do need to know about, and
 it
  will be taken off the internet SOON!
  -Original Message-
  From: Roberta Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Newsgroups: alt.politics
  Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 9:29 PM
  Subject: Was the AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?
 
 According to Dr.Wm.Campbell Douglass, MD ("WHO MurderedAfrica";1969
 House
 subcommittee on Appropriations Dept of Defense  testimony  requesting
 funding for an HIV weapon; WHO  bulletin calling for  creation of HIV ;
 pivotal London times Article)  that is  the case.  It is unthinkable
 that
 this should be  possible, but there is a NEED to KNOW  --IF our
 government
 did this we   can but wonder what is their intent toward  each of us?
 We
 cannot undo the past, but perhaps  we can  modify the future!  It is my
 PRAYER AND HOPE that this report is nOT  true, it is horrible beyond
 belief.  However, WHY is there a  black out on even questioning it?
 Why
  are
 the  internet postings taken down as fast as they go ou regarding this?
 IF
 THERE IS NOTHING TO IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH LOOKING INTOIT?  Rep JJ
 Duncan was provided a copy of the Douglass report.   Have Your
 representative get a copy from him  to send to you!
 
 DR. Douglass was qualified to make such a report:  He is a a4th
 generation
 physican and his family  has been serving  the state of Georgia  since
 1850.  Dr. Douglass is a graduate of the University of Rochester Ny,
 the
 University  of Miami  School of Medicine and the United States Naval
 School
 of Aviation and Space Medicine.  HE was voted Doctor of the  year  in
 1985
 by the National Health foundation  and was former  state president of
 Florida American College of Emergency Physicans.
 
 He is quite detailed and emphatic in his assertions regarding AIDS  :
 HE
 deserves to be heard  and WE deserve to know what ever the truth may
 be.
 That i s not  too much to ask!
 
 Representative Duncan  is  quite well informed on  some  horrendous
 conduct
 against Americans by  the US Army , he is  outspoken on Waco ( which
 included the use of Delta forces)... He should have no qualms about
  letting
 other representatives have a copy of the Douglass report.  The Secy of
  Army,
 Louis Caldera  can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Duncan at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  or you may contact me directly at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
 
 It will be interesting to see how soon this is removed from the web!
 This
 is supposed to be a free forum  but it did not take long for the
 initial
 postings on this topic to be  removed!  We have  whole columns of
 outdated
 postings by  one  loquatious  author but the ones dealing with gays and
  this
 AIDS factor are instantly snatched off.  SOMEONE is TWITCHY WHO AND
 WHY?
 IF there is nothing to this  what is there to fear?  For my part,  I
 WANT A
 HEARING ON THIS AND  THE TRUTH MADE CLEAR DRDOUGLASS HAS
  STATED FLAT
  OUT
 that the AIDS virus was made in  this country and it was  inflicted on
 Africa .  I am quoting from the article by dr. Douglass here " IT WAS
 NOT
  AN
 ACCIDENTIt was deliberate.  In the Federation  Proceedings  of the
 United
 States in 1972 , WHO said:"In  the relation to the immune response A
 NUMBER
 OF USEFUL EXPERIMENTAL APPROACHES CAN BE VISUALIZED   "  They
 suggested
  that
 a neat way to  put their new killer viruas(AIDS) into a vacination
 

Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?

2000-01-11 Thread Nurev Ind Research

-Cavet Lector-   A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A  -Cui Bono-

Kris Millegan wrote:

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 I most assuredly disagree. One can follow the trail through apropriation thru
 dissemination. Aids is man-engineered.
 MHO
 Om
 K
 -

Dear Kris,

Look at the research of Dr. Hulda Clark. She postulates that HIV is a parasitic
virus which is not natural in humans. It rides into the human body on a certain
parasite. When the parasite is gotten rid of, the HIV virus is gone too.

See her book " The Cure For HIV and AIDS ". I am currently researching her work.
That is, I have lab people investigating her work. So far, I am told, she is
believable.

Aids is not a disease. Aids is what happens when one's immune system is no
longer functioning to due being overwhelmed by parasitic infestation. Once the
immune system is depressed, one is open to opportunistic diseases that wind up
killing one.

There is no point in developing Aids/HIV intentionally because it can't be
controlled for targeting purposes. If you're saying that someone was playing
around with it, maybe. I don't know.

Joshua2


 In a message dated 1/10/00 6:24:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 1/11/2k
 
 
 
 This is a bunch of crap. It's not that the US isn't capable of doing
 
 something like this, it's more a case of probabilities.
 
 
 
 The probability that Aids was invented, is WAY down on the list.
 
 There is absolutely NO reason that Aids, which is a syndrome and
 
 not a disease, did not evolve in the natural ( though polluted )
 
 environment.
 
 
 
 Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle

2000-01-11 Thread Tenorlove

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There's always the Block Address feature

BTW, personal attacks and profanity BOTH destroy credibility, IMO.
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: EXTENSIVE Collaboration With Nazi Regime By Ford Motor

2000-01-11 Thread Tenorlove

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--- "Damian B. Cooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, if I oppose Communism, Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Ho
Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Franklin Roosevelt, Hillary Clinton, as well as
anything and everything Bolshevism stood for, then what should I NOT
buy?

If you boycott everything that anything stands for, there is nothing to
buy, and you will have a very hard time getting by.
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[CTRL] Where's the Black Book of Capitalism?

2000-01-11 Thread Lucio Benedetto

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Millennial Visions and Selective Vision Part One
By Noam Chomsky

The new year opened with familiar refrains, amplified by the
numerology: a
chorus of self-adulation, somber ruminations about the
incomprehensible evil
of our enemies, and the usual recourse to selective amnesia to smooth
the
way. A few illustrations follow, which may suggest the kind of
evaluation
that would have appeared, were different values to prevail in the
intellectual culture.

Let's begin with the familiar litany about the monsters we have
confronted
through the century and finally slain, a ritual that at least has the
merit
of roots in reality. Their awesome crimes are recorded in the
newly-translated _Black Book of Communism_ by French scholar Stephane
Courtois and others, the subject of shocked reviews at the transition
to the
new millennium. The most serious, at least of those I have seen, is by
political philosopher Alan Ryan, a distinguished academic scholar and
social
democratic commentator, in the year's first issue of the New York
Times Book
Review (Jan 2).

The _Black Book_ at last breaks "the silence over the horrors of
Communism,"
Ryan writes, "the silence of people who are simply baffled by the
spectacle
of so much absolutely futile, pointless and inexplicable suffering."
The
revelations of the book will doubtless come as a surprise to those who
have
somehow managed to remain unaware of the stream of bitter
denunciations and
detailed revelations of the "horrors of Communism" that I have been
reading
since childhood, notably in the literature of the left for the past 80
years, not to speak of the steady flow in media and journals, film,
libraries overflowing with books that range from fiction to
scholarship... -- all unable to lift the veil of silence. But put that
aside.

The _Black Book_, Ryan writes, is in the style of a "recording angel."
It is
a relentless "criminal indictment" for the murder of 100 million
people,
"the body count of a colossal, wholly failed social, economic,
political and
psychological experiment." The total evil, unredeemed by even a hint
of
achievement anywhere, makes a mockery of "the observation that you
can't
make an omelet without broken eggs."

The vision of our own magnificence alongside the incomprehensible
monstrosity of the enemy -- the "monolithic and ruthless conspiracy"
(John
F. Kennedy) dedicated to "total obliteration" of any shred of decency
in the
world (Robert McNamara) -- recapitulates in close detail the imagery
of the
past half century (actually, well beyond, though friends and enemies
rapidly
shift, to the present). Apart from a huge published literature and the
commercial media, it is captured vividly in the internal document NSC
68 of
1950, widely recognized as the founding document of the Cold War but
rarely
quoted, perhaps out of embarrassment at the frenzied and hysterical
rhetoric
of the respected statesmen Dean Acheson and Paul Nitze; for a sample,
see my
_Deterring Democracy_, chap. 1.

The picture has always been an extremely useful one. Renewed once
again
today, it allows us to erase completely the entire record of hideous
atrocities compiled by "our side" in past years. After all, they count
as
nothing when compared with the ultimate evil of the enemy. However
grand the
crime, it was "necessary" to confront the forces of darkness, now
finally
recognized for what they were. With only the faintest of regrets, we
can
therefore turn to the fulfillment of our noble mission, though as New
York
Times correspondent Michael Wines reminded us in the afterglow of the
humanitarian triumph in Kosovo, we must not overlook some "deeply
sobering
lessons": "the deep ideological divide between an idealistic New World
bent
on ending inhumanity and an Old World equally fatalistic about
unending
conflict." The enemy was the incarnation of total evil, but even our
friends
have a long way to go before they ascend to our dizzying heights.
Nonetheless, we can march forward, "clean of hands and pure of heart,"
as
befits a Nation under God. And crucially, we can dismiss with ridicule
any
foolish inquiry into the institutional roots of the crimes of the
state-corporate system, mere trivia that in no way tarnish the image
of Good
versus Evil, and teach no lessons, "deeply sobering" or not, about
what lies
ahead -- a very convenient posture, for reasons to obvious to
elaborate.

Like others, Ryan reasonably selects as Exhibit A of the criminal
indictment
the Chinese famines of 1958-61, with a death toll of 25-40 million, he
reports, a sizeable chunk of the 100 million corpses the "recording
angels"
attribute to "Communism" (whatever that is, but let us use the
conventional
term). The terrible atrocity fully merits the harsh condemnation it
has
received for many years, renewed here. It is, furthermore, proper to
attribute the famine to Communism. That conclusion was established
most
authoritatively in the work of 

Re: [CTRL] Alec Newald interview on Art Bell Part 2

2000-01-11 Thread Joe Gillaspie

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FYI

Nicky Molloy wrote:

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 PAGE TWO
 http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2301/transcript1.html

 PW : Well isn’t that good evolution for mankind?

 AN : I believe thats a brilliant idea and if there’s a push from some
 benevolent ET civilisation behind it, that might perhaps be a true sign that
 these people are not the ogres and the little green men with the ray guns
 that are depicted from Hollywood.

 PW : Teresa in Tennessee

 Teresa : Thankyou, hi Peter hi Alec. My question is when Alec when you were
 abducted could you at any time touch these beings or could you see them, and
 if so what did they look like, and how did you know when they contacted you
 that they were there.

 AN : Well after the first initial indoctrination or rebuilding of bodies
 they were as physical as I could touch their bodies just like I could touch
 you if you were in the same room as me. They were real and I knew they were
 real and that made a difference to me.

 PW : Joe in Vancouver BC

 Joe : I wanted to relate some experiences that have been happening lately,
 abductions, mine aren’t as heavy as Alecs are but I wanted to relate that
 there is a war going on out there, an intergalactic war between good and
 evil and that there may shortly be an event that might have something to do
 with the Anti-Christ and that it is time that everyone as we prayer that we
 pray globally and think of the global consciousness and the earth so that no
 hard should come to us.

 PW : What about this Alec, is that a intergalactic war going on between good
 and evil?

 AN : Your asking me Peter?

 PW : I am Alec.

 AN : I believe that there certainly is a war going on in our skies, in our
 atmosphere. If you call if between good and evil I just wonder which is
 which.

 PW : So you have no idea.

 AN : Oh I believe there is a war going on alright - I was told there is and
 I’ve seen reports I’ve seen NASA shots of particle beams weapons being shot
 from Australia into the atmosphere at glowing disk shaped craft which are
 not normal space craft. I’ve seen evidence from earth that there’s something
 going on and I’ve been told from the other side there’s something going on,
 I have to believe it Peter.

 PW : Alec are you still in touch with these Aliens now?

 AN : Not physically Peter, from 1989 the direct contact was cut, actually if
 we get time to get back to it later, there was alot of childhood
 interactions that I didn’t fully understand at that stage so it wasn’t new
 to me I just didn’t put it in the right context early on in my life.

 PW : So since that meeting some 10 years ago, you’ve had no further contact
 with the Aliens?

 AN : Not that I’m physically aware of or can remember Peter.

 PW : Do you think telepathically?

 AN : I have to believe they had to help me write the book because I’ve never
 ever written anything than a letter home in my life and yet I sat down one
 day that book just flowed out of me and I don’t fully believe it was all my
 own work.

 PW : You know this is a fascinating story, and in his book he talks about
 how he was told that these people told him, or these aliens told him that
 homosapiens and Cro-Magnon species were artifically engineered and that
 these ET’s that artifically engineered us are trying to get back to earth
 but that the world governments are trying to stop them. Alec are all of us
 artificially engineered by these ET’s according to what your belief is?

 AN : I can’t really say for the overall human race Peter, I just know of
 particular bloodlines that were generated for particular purposes but in the
 research I’ve done since my own experience, if you want to count what I’ve
 found out since then, it would appear that more than one extraterrestrial
 race has had a go at playing with human engineering and genetics. So we
 could well be a universal mixing pot more so than we ever believed, I mean I
 don’t know of anybody that can really explain all the different races on
 this planet anyway... black, yellow, white... they seem to be all different
 and yet in many aspects the same, so maybe I’m not really qualified to
 answer that question.

 PW : You talk about spending this time with Zeena, you write about it, and
 she says that evolution is you understand it is a myth, changes are never
 slow and that they are always planned and later I shall show you that
 nothing in this universe, past, present and future, in your timescale is
 left to chance. Is she saying that we are predetermined and programmed?

 AN : What I gathered from that Peter, was that perhaps evolution is a
 universal step that runs rampant through all of existence and everything has
 it’s time and everything moves up a scale according to it’s turn and perhaps
 doesn’t happen haphazardly as the Darwinian theory suggests but it happens
 in large steps and 

[CTRL] Armed for change

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf/2111_xcgme_armed_chan.shtml

Armed for change

---
I usually try to separate my California efforts from what I contribute to
WorldNetDaily, but occasionally there is a confluence, and this is one of
those cases. Sunday's Washington Post noted, "Picking up where they left off
last year, California's lawmakers are charging back to work vowing to pass
another batch of tough gun control laws. But this time, as a high-stakes
election season begins to unfold, it seems they have lost their most
important ally, Democratic Gov. Gray Davis."


The bill mill in Sacramento, Calif., is drunk with power and pushing abuse of
power to new extremes. Even liberal journalists acknowledge that the
synthesized make-up of the California legislature is far more liberal than
the consensus of those who elected them to office. Last year they
successfully pushed several draconian anti-gun bills through the process and
compelled the governor to sign them. Davis, who is struggling to maintain the
fiction of being a moderate, sees the dangers of excess, but he has
apparently been unsuccessful in convincing a legislature rabid with the taste
of blood in their mouths.


"The budding conflict on gun control here in the nation's most populous and
often most influential state is hardly just another routine squabble in party
politics," wrote the Washington Post. "California has emerged as a national
leader in restricting the sale and use of firearms, with its trend-setting
legislature firmly controlled by Democrats and showing more willingness than
Congress to tackle the issue. The state's pivotal primary for presidential
candidates also is only two months away, and gun control figures to be at the
forefront of voter concerns."


One of the more egregious bills signed into law last year was Senate Bill 23.
It is an enhancement to previous "Assault Weapons" bans. However, it was so
badly and broadly written as to make virtually every center-fire gun which
will accept a magazine an assault weapon. I had personally led the
unsuccessful effort to collect signatures for a referendum to put the
question of SB 23 to the California voters. We needed over 430,000 signatures
and came about 100,000 short. Our effort was totally grassroots with no
support (and occasional opposition) from the two big mainstream gun-rights
organizations.


Rather than pack up and go away, we have accepted our loss as a learning
experience and have now filed a proposal to amend the California Constitution
so as to include language (currently absent) on the right to keep and bear
arms.


Last Friday I finally received the last procedural necessity to completing
our petitions (Title and Summary from the state attorney general). Inclusive
in the package was a letter from a Joint Legislative Budget Committee, which
presented their analysis of our initiative. It is interesting that our
proposal is only 142 words in length, yet the Title and Summary from the AG
is 159 words.


Despite the protracted delays, we have frankly been remarkably lucky. There
are several significant benefits we have achieved somewhat by accident as an
unintended consequence of the extended delays.


All our claims and charges regarding SB 23 are finally being confirmed. SB 23
was, and is, a bad law. Because it was so broadly written -- redefining as an
"assault weapon" virtually any center-fire rifle that accepts a magazine --
two large California gun retailers have stopped selling products which
(according to the letter of the law) have been re-classified as assault
weapons.


In the Joint Legislative Budget Committee analysis of our amendment, which
was sent to Attorney General Bill Lockyer, there are several significant
surprises included -- which are huge. Please note (I have added my emphasis
at various points):


The committee wrote, "The U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment guarantees the
right of citizens to keep and bear arms and has been subject to significant
court review for years. Currently, the State Constitution has no equivalent
provision. While the Second Amendment confers specific rights regarding the
right to bear arms, the courts have allowed federal, state and local
governments to establish prohibitions and restrictions on firearm ownership."


The committee letter states, "This measure adds a new section to the State
Constitution that defines the existing right to defend life and liberty to
include the right of each person to keep and bear arms for the defense of
self, family and home. The measure states that this right shall not be
infringed.


"While individuals may possess and carry firearms, many of the 

[CTRL] Moscow blind to N-missiles

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 A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/11/world/world3.html"Moscow blind
to N-missiles - smh.com.au - World/A
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/11/world/world3.html

Moscow blind to N-missiles

By JONATHAN LANDAY in Washington

Russia's early-warning system is so decayed that Moscow is unable to detect
United States intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) launches for at least
seven hours a day, US officials and experts say.

Russia also could no longer spot missiles fired from US submarines at all,
they said.

At most, only four of Russia's 21 early-warning satellites were still
working, observers of Moscow's space program said.

That would mean Russian commanders have no more than 17 hours - and perhaps
as little as 12 hours - of daily coverage of the 550 nuclear-tipped ICBM
silos in Colorado, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota and Wyoming.

"Against submarines, they basically have no warning," said Professor Theodore
Postol of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

But because the logic of nuclear deterrence requires both sides to launch
their missiles before a surprise attack obliterates them, Russia's problems
are just as dangerous for the US.

The fear is that in the heat of a serious crisis Russian military and
civilian leaders could misread a non-threatening rocket launch or ambiguous
data as a nuclear first strike and launch a salvo at the US and Western
Europe.

An August 1999 report by the Congressional Budget Office said that if
Russia's early-warning system "cannot reassure Russian leaders that false
alarms are indeed benign events, the danger for both countries could be
significant".

Mr James Goodby, a former ambassador who negotiated the US-funded destruction
of Russian nuclear weapons, said: "I think the chances [of a nuclear mistake]
are rising ... from what I felt was a very, very low level."

US officials, while acknowledging that Russia's early-warning system had
deteriorated badly, said Russia retained considerable early- warning
capabilities and control of its nuclear forces.

In addition, the US and Russia now notified each other of rocket launches in
advance.

Although US officials insisted there was little chance of an inadvertent
nuclear war, the US finds itself in the unusual position of offering to help
the Russians detect a US missile attack.

One proposal calls for a joint early-warning centre to be set up in Moscow,
and another for help to finance the rebuilding of Russia's early-warning
system.

Early-warning radars and satellites remain important because, while the US
and Russia have agreed to "de-target" each other, both can re-program their
missiles in minutes.

Russia still keeps an estimated 2,000 nuclear warheads on high alert, most of
them atop silo-based SS-18 missiles.

Experts say the US has as many as 2,500 warheads on high alert.

The Kremlin cannot afford to put into orbit the six replacement satellites it
needs to resume 24-hour surveillance of US missile silos, experts say. Nor
can it pay to activate replacements for two land-based early-warning radars.

As a result, Russian radars are blind in the northern areas of the Atlantic
and Pacific oceans where US ballistic missile submarines operate.

However, a US official said, the Russians were "committed to ensuring that
their part of command-and-control works".

"It is hard for me to imagine that this degradation is making them more
hair-triggered; it's making them more cautious."

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[CTRL] UN being sued for complicity in Rwanda

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Monday, January 10 1:54 PM SGT

UN being sued for complicity in Rwanda genocide

SYDNEY, Jan 10 (AFP) -

The United Nations is to be sued for alleged complicity in the 1994 Rwandan
genocide in a landmark action driven by two Australian lawyers, it was
reported Monday.

Prominent London-based lawyer Geoffrey Robinson and former South Australian
state prosecutor Michael Hourigan are acting for two Rwandan women whose
families were among 800,000 predominantly Tutsi victims of the Hutu massacres.

UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who at the time of the genocide was head of
UN peacekeeping operations, is accused of ignoring warnings that the
massacres were already taking place and ignoring pleas for troops.

Hourigan, a former investigator with the UN International Criminal Tribunal
for Rwanda in Kigali, uncovered evidence showing UN headquarters received
advance warning of what was to happen, The Age of Melbourne reported Monday.

Hourigan, who quit the UN criminal tribunal in disgust at its inaction and
barriers to his investigation, now works for a law firm in Atlanta, Georgia,
The Age said.

The paper said it had received documents from Hourigan heavily implicating
Annan, and showing he received extensive warnings the genocide was taking
place.

He was told the Hutus were being exhorted by government-controlled radio to
kill the Tutsis.

One of the women, Anonciata Kavaruganda, is the widow of Rwandan Supreme
Court judge Joseph Kavaruganda, who was killed because he sympathised with
the Tutsis.

The other is Louise Mushikiwabo, sister of Lando Ndaswinga, the only Tutsi
member of a Hutu-dominated government, who was shot dead along with their
mother and his wife and two children.

The women say the UN soldiers who were assigned to protect them either ran
away or handed their families over to murderous Hutu militia.

Mrs. Kavaruganda says the Ghanaian UN soldiers who were supposed to protect
her and her family were drinking and socialising with the Hutus while she and
her children were being tortured.

Mrs. Mushikiwabo says the UN protecters simply ran away when their killers
came.

She told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) last year that she was
very shocked -- "and I don't get shocked very much after the genocide" --
that someone in the UN system had such crucial information, including names
of the killers of her brother.

"Everyone knew in Kigali that Lando was threatened," she said.

But officials with authority to act had failed to give warning to a person
they knew to be in imminent danger, she said.

Hourigan found a cable sent by the UN commander in Rwanda, Canadian general
Romeo Dallaire, to UN headquarters warning that UN forces in Rwanda would
"hand over these local people for inevitable killing rather than use their
weapons to save (them)."

One cable sent to UN headquarters on April 17, 10 days after the killings
began, said: "The ethnic cleansing continues and may in fact be
accelerating... Bodies litter the streets and pose a significant health
hazard."

It said the government-controlled radio station was broadcasting
"inflammatory speeches and songs exhorting the population to destroy all
Tutsis..."

Dallaire's cable, headed "most immediate" begged for more troops, saying:
"The force simply cannot continue to sit on the fence in the face of all of
these morally legitimate demands for assistance."

It was received in New York three days before the UN Security Council met to
consider what to do about Rwanda, but its contents were never given to the
Security Council.

Another cable, sent on April 21, said UN troops were "exhausted, confused,
concerned and questioning the responsibility of their superiors as to what
they are doing."

Annan last month expressed his "deep remorse" following a report which blamed
the UN for failing to prevent the Rwanda genocide.





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Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?

2000-01-11 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 1/10/00 11:24:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I most assuredly disagree. One can follow the trail through apropriation
thru
  dissemination. Aids is man-engineered.
  MHO
  Om
  K

If I might interject a thought or two.  It has been proposed that the HIV
virus is not the proximate cause of the AIDS syndrome.  If this is the case
it seems more likely that AIDS is the result of environmental pollution and
poisoning by chemicals etc., as is theorized by Duesberg et al.  However if
HIV is A or THE proximate cause of the AIDS syndrome it is HIGHLY likely that
it was a created virus, though most likely NOT as a means of "killing off the
useless eaters", but instead as a population control device, and its
prevalence in the third world and Africa is circumstantial evidence for it. .
.

**
***
"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, "The Matrix".

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

2000-01-11 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 000111a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE BULLETIN WHEN YOU REPLY; CUT/PASTE, EH?
* No invisible dinosaurs were flailed during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Leap into the Absinthe Ring: http://www.mcs.net/~mikei/absring/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# FEDS RAID ELECTRONIC HOBBY VENDORS. 2600 has learned that several small
  electronic hobbyist vendors were recently raided by federal agents brand-
  ishing semiautomatic weapons. News of these raids has been kept out of the
  media and many of those involved fear retribution if they openly discuss
  the case. The U.S. Dept. of Justice is apparently re-interpreting federal
  wiretapping and smuggling laws to include small hobby radio transmitters.
  Even possessing so-called "Mr. Microphone" type toys can now put hobbyists
  at risk of looking down the barrel of a fed's loaded gun, a felony convic-
  tion, federal prison time, loss of property, and legal fees into the tens
  of thousands of dollars. http://www.2600.com/news/1999/1218.html

: Have you electronically eavesdropped on anyone lately? Is it fun? Were you
caught? Did anyone point a gun at you? Did you point a gun at anyone? When?

@ FEDERAL PRODUCT RESTRICTION INFORMATION PAGE:
  http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/scstore/sitepages/hobby/fedpage2.
@ The International Movement for the Ban of Radiofrequency Weapons
  Enabling the Control of Human Nervous System:
  http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2289/webpage.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Roswell: The 5-Pound Alien Spacecraft. The first-hand Roswell witnesses
  say that what was found was foil-like foil, balsa-like sticks, rubber-like
  sheets, paper-like parchment, plastic tape-like tape, with symbols on some
  of the material, plus some filaments or threads - all of which added up to
  a total of about 5 pounds of material. This does not sound like an alien
  spacecraft. There is no mention of dead alien bodies, laser devices,
  silicon microchip wafers, kevlar-like fabric, computers, etc., by any
  of the first-hand Roswell witnesses. http://www.caus.org/mc011100.htm

# Strange Light in the Skies over SE Georgia: http://caus.org/mu011100.htm
@ The Time Travel Research Center: http://www.time-travel.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# INDONESIAN PREZ REJECTS MUSLIM CALLS FOR HOLY WAR. Indonesian President
  Abdurrahman Wahid opposes calls by thousands of Muslims for a holy war
  against Christians in the violence-torn Moluccas, and is urging the
  predominantly Muslim nation to protect minority groups. Violence cooling
  for now? http://cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/southeast/01/11/indonesia.wahid/

# Man shot in U.S. Embassy in Moscow. MOSCOW (AP) - An intruder identified
  as a Russian soldier apparently trying to steal a car broke into the U.S.
  Embassy compound Monday and was shot and wounded by a U.S. Marine guard.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563179122-5ac

: Have you raided any embassy compounds lately? Did the voices in your head
order you to? Do they recommend holy wars, acquisition, engulfment, control?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# BOSNIAN SERB ARMY CHIEF DENIES CHARGE OF GENOCIDE. Two former Bosnian Serb
  officials accused of organizing the expulsion of Croats  Muslims from NW
  Bosnia in 1992 pleaded not guilty Tuesday in the Netherlands to 11 new war
  crimes charges -- including the highest count of genocide. On the trail of
  death: http://cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/01/11/bosnia.warcrimes.02/

# Danger in Denying Holocaust? A revisionist is accusing a prominent
  critic of the movement of libel. Scholars and survivors say the evidence
  is irrefutable, but those who question extent of horrors say they pay a
  price. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/updates/lat_libel000107.htm

: Have you rewritten history lately? Are the voices in your head insistent?

@ Fundamentalists Anonymous: http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=9106
@ Places Where Women Made History: http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/pwwmh/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# MEDICATION SUPERIOR TO BEHAVIORAL THERAPY FOR ADHD IN CHILDREN. Children
  with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) experience greater
  improvements on treatment regimens that include medication than with
  behavioral therapy alone: http://psychiatry.medscape.com/15064.rhtml

# CHILDREN WITH ADHD MAY NEED HELP WITH MEMORY DEFICITS. Some children
  with (ADHD) also have memory problems that need separate assessment
  and treatment. http://psychiatry.medscape.com/14662.rhtml

: Are you now or were you ever hyperactive? Do you remember it clearly???

# EIGHT FACTORS FOUND TO BE MOST CRITICAL IN EVALUATING SUICIDE RISK.
  Among Americans aged 15 to 44 years, suicide is the second leading
  cause 

Re: [CTRL] [apfn] why?[d.c.jews suck christian taxes]

2000-01-11 Thread Bard

Gentiles, Wake Up!!

The PROBLEM is the influence of the Marxist D.C. Jewish lobby;  they're
sucking Christian federal taxes and sending it to Israel.
On 11/07/2000 rid our government of the Jews and their sympathizers as a
first step to place the Nation back on track.
Open the .txt attachment and read about 'Concerning the Jews' by Mark
Twain.

But if you are Bill Clinton, and the rouge nation is question is Israel,
you
insist Congress send them $1.2 billion immediately. He also wants to
increase the official amount America gives to the Mideast ministate for
military purposed by $500 million to $2.4 billion.
Last year, then House Appropriations Committee Chairman Robert
Livingston
(R-La.) suggested it was inappropriate for the United States to provide
aid
to Israel under these conditions. Livingston resigned in disgrace
shortly
after pornographer Larry Flynt aired some of the congressman's dirty
laundry.

In fiscal 2000, economic aid to Israel was supposed to fall slightly in
the
second year of an Israeli 10-year initiative to wean itself from the
assistance.

On average, Israel's portion of the foreign operations measure hovers
near
40 percent. Outside the Israel lobby, foreign aid has few forceful
constituents. The first policy position the Liberty Lobby Board of
Policy
(BOP) voted on, some 43 years ago, was against foreign aid. The BOP
remains
true to that position today. Over the years, the rest of the country has
caught on, but politicians have continued to give a fortune away.

Israel has been the leading benefactor of U.S. gifts. In 1951, Congress
sent
$65 million to help Israel take in European Jews and Jews living in Arab
countries. Since then, American assistance has seen Israel through the
Yom
Kippur War ($2.2 billion in emergency aid) and the Camp David accords
($4.9
billion in aid and loans). Since 1985, Congress has annually provided
Israel
with at least $3 billion per year in official grants.

In the meantime:

 U.S. military personnel and their families live on food stamps;
American farmers are going bankrupt;

 Government schools across the land complain of being underfunded; etc.
http://www.spotlight.org/Links/Aid/aid.html

Waspy Bard
lol
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm



JAH Publications wrote:

 Dear Patriot and friends,

 Democracy is a lie and a con-trick. It does not exist. For proof please
 access:-

 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/democra.htm

 The only Way to put America back on the right track is to return to keeping
 The Covenant, as spelled out clearly by God in Malachi 4 on the last page of
 the Old Testament, which can be viewed by accessing:-

 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/mal4.htm

 You are right Clinton was not "tried", because if he had been he would have
 been found guilty. Everyone who watched the news knows he is guilty.

 http://www.geocites.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/clint.htm

 Peace be upon you,

 JAH.

 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: schuetzen - RKBA! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 10:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [apfn] why?

  It isn't my place to talk responsible adults OUT of deceiving
  themselves.  To whit I point to the "RKBA" next to your address name.
  You should be aware that today we have more than 2000 triplicated
  antigun laws on the books. ALL OF THEM ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The reason
  is simple - Democracy. The problem is further convoluted when we look at
  antiproperty laws, antifamily laws, and antiprivacy laws, etc..
 
  I know the subconcious reason why you and all the other "talkers" are
  springloaded to disagree - it would take you out of your comfort zone.
 
  As far as this person "true patriot" (a superfulous expression to say
  the least) he/she rendered some nuts-and-bolts on the impeachment
  mechanism but again, like "schuetzen" he/she fails to hit home. Here's
  the fact and the end of it - WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON WAS NOT TRIED BY
  THE SENATE; THERE WAS NO TRIAL. A trial and its results were not
  acceptable - politically, aka demographically, to our globalist Senate.
 
  The problem is DEMOCRACY
 
 
 
  schuetzen - RKBA! wrote:
  
   On Fri, 07 Jan 2000 13:45:55 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Claudia White asks this question: Under the US Constitution a President
   should be impeached because of these crimes.  Is there anyone that can
   explain why after these crimes against the US Clinton and Gore are
   allowed to stay in Office?  And Why Gore is allowed to run for
   re-election?
   
   Answer: DEMOCRACY
   wrong!
   Collusion and apathy.
   in my opinion - once impeached, the process should have been turned over
 to the
   SC who, insulated by their guarantee of a job for life, should be able
 to make a
   fair and impartial determination of the facts and rule on a conviction
 or a get
   of out jail,   then buck the case back to Congress for implementation of
 the
   punishment - ie,  execution by 

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Returning Boy to His “Massa”

“James, the father of Elian, a six-year-old Negro boy, has petitioned the
Superior Court for the return of his son.  James, age thirty, is a Negro
slave living in Hanover County, Virginia and has joined in a petition by his
master, Robert Wortham, for Elian’s return to Hanover County.  In his court
petition Wortham asserts that six-year old Elian had been taken from the
Wortham farm in Hanover County by his mother, Charlotte, a Negro woman also
belonging to Wortham.  Charlotte, a runaway slave under the law, then made
her way north with the boy until she arrived in Maryland where she
unfortunately died of exposure and exhaustion.  James asserts that he wants
to raise his son as a father should, that he misses his son’s company and
laughter.  James and Wortham both accuse the boy’s Philadelphia relatives of
maliciously and illegally detaining Elian. Wortham asserts that if Elian is
returned to his home, Elian will be well cared for on the Wortham farm.  So,
do you send the boy back?”

- An analogy for people who think Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez should be sent
back to “master” Castro, reprinted in “Asides,” Wall Street Journal, 1/10/00

**
Sending Brazile Packing

With Vice President Al Gore refusing to apologize for his campaign manager’s
racial broadsides, the Chairman of the Republican National Committee has an
alternative suggestion:  send Gore’s loose cannon aide to the same shrinks
treating Atlanta Braves relief pitcher John Rocker for HIS racially-charged
outbursts.  “Al Gore won’t fire Donna Brazile for saying that Gen. Colin
Powell would rather have his picture taken with black children than feed
them, and this morning, he refused even to apologize for her crude, hateful
remarks,” said RNC Chairman Jim Nicholson.  Nicholson said Al Gore ought to
be “Alpha Male” enough to apologize for her brutal words and send her
packing.

- Source:  RNC news release, 1/10/00

**
GOP Winning War of Donations

“The three most important words in the English language are:  ‘I Love You.’
Except in a Presidential election year when the three most important words in
the English language are:  ‘Cash On Hand.’  Bradley has it.  Gore doesn't.
The Republican National Committee has it.  The Democratic National Committee
doesn't. ... Senator Bradley's strong edge in Cash On Hand means trouble for
Vice President Gore - probably not enough to deny him the nomination, but
almost certainly enough to deny him the Presidency. ... The DNC has under
$2.5 million Cash On Hand.  The RNC's fund raising operation - under the
direction of Mel Sembler - has over ten. ... What we are talking about, by
the way, is that awful soft money that we all hear so much about which goes
to activities destructive to our way of life such as phone banks, walk lists,
get-out-the-vote efforts, candidate training, and voter education programs.”

- Rich Galen, “Mullings,” 1/10/00

**
Keyes Moving Up Steadily

“Not too long ago political pros didn't take Alan Keyes' presidential bid
seriously. But as the new millennium dawns, it may be a whole new ball game
for the GOP White House long-shot.  Stellar performances in recent debates
have Keyes' fourth-quarter fund-raising numbers up by 75 percent over the
previous three months.  And, more importantly, for the first time ever a
major scientific poll places the black conservative in the top tier of GOP
presidential hopefuls.  Zogby International, the only polling outfit to call
the 1996 presidential race on the nose, now has Keyes garnering six percent
support nationally; still firmly in single-digit territory but ahead of
magazine publisher Steve Forbes, Sen. Orrin Hatch and former Reagan aide Gary
Bauer.  At 55 percent, George W. Bush has a comfortable lead in the latest
Zogby match-up. But Sen. John McCain, who's benefited from months of glowing
press coverage, is at a mere 12 percent -- just six points ahead of Keyes.”

- NewsMax.com, 1/6/00

*
What’s Wrong With This Picture?

“One uncertainty in Election 2000 is how vigorously (Nevada GOP Gov. Kenny)
Guinn will work to help Republicans win legislative seats.  Because Guinn
worked well with Assembly Democrats to get his programs passed (last year),
there is speculation he won’t put too much energy into trying to weaken them
for election purposes, especially because he may need Democrats to raise
taxes in 2001.”

- Las Vegas Review Journal, 1/9/00

***
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31.  Space Command plans for computer network attack mission

by Paul Stone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- If Y2K was the first major battle of the information
age -- and by all accounts it was -- then it may have given the world a
glimpse into how war could be waged in the future.

Oh ... and by the way, the future has arrived.

The U.S. Space Command, which only last October took over responsibility for
the Defense Department's computer network defenses, will assume the
flip-side attack mission beginning in October.  Air Force Gen. Richard
Myers, commander-in-chief
U.S. Space Command and Air Force Space Command, said DOD is moving forward
to make computer network attacks part of the military arsenal.

Although Space Command is still in the early stages of developing a concept
of operations and implementation plans, the goal of information attacks will
focus on denying, disrupting and degrading systems, Myers said during a
recent Pentagon briefing.

"In the area of air defense, for instance," he said, "if you can degrade an
air defense network of an adversary through manipulating ones and zeroes,
that might be a very elegant way to do it as opposed to dropping 2,000-pound
bombs on radars."

Myers sees Space Command as a natural choice for further developing the
emerging capability.  However, he does not envision computer attacks being
launched by Space Command headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base, Colo.,
but rather by warfighters on the battlefield.

"This is an issue of bringing certain tools to the operational and tactical
level," he said.

He said Space Command's mission will be to coordinate the services' computer
expertise, determine what network attack tools are available or could be
developed, test capabilities and get those tools to the warfighters.

The Space Command chief, who will leave his post March 1 to become vice
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on March said computer network attack
will augment, not replace, "kinetic" weapons, such as bullets, and bombs.
It'll provide commanders with "one more arrow in the quiver," he said.

Myers acknowledged that computer network attack has already been used "on a
case-by-case basis."  The Pentagon considered using the new warfare
techniques in Kosovo last year, but, he said, opportunities were limited
because
Serbian military forces were not heavily dependent on information systems.

In addition, he pointed out that just as with warfare involving conventional
weapons, DOD must analyze policy and legal implications and establish rules
of engagement.  So-called dual-use targets and secondary and tertiary
implications of computer network attacks are examples of legal and policy
sticking points, Myers noted.

For instance, attacking a communications network may do more than shut down
an adversary's air defense systems.  What are the consequences when that
network supports other needs having no direct impact on the conflict, he
asked.

"We understand the effects of a 2,000-pound bomb.  We know the laws of armed
conflict, so we're much more comfortable in that realm," Myers said.  It'll
be a while before DOD warfighters are as comfortable with computer network
attacks, he predicted, and keystrokes won't soon replace bullets and
missiles.

"We are on the cusp of this," he said.  "A lot of the existing capability is
very immature, has not been tested."


30.  SECDEF announces departure of deputy secretary of defense

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen announced Jan.
10, the departure of Deputy Secretary of Defense John J. Hamre to become
president and chief executive officer of the Center for Strategic and
International Studies.  Hamre will depart his post March 31.

"John Hamre has been my friend and partner in running the department," said
Cohen.  "He approaches all issues with extreme confidence and an
extraordinary sense of humor.  He is committed to fixing problems with
solutions that are effective, practical and fair to all concerned.

"He has made contributions in many areas, but his biggest achievements have
been in increasing computer security, bringing better business practices to
the department, winning increases in Defense spending to improve readiness
and procurement and helping Defense contractors and the department adapt to
global business conditions.  He has had a major impact on the department,
and I will miss him when he leaves."

Cohen also announced his recommendation that the President nominate Rudy de
Leon to replace Hamre as deputy secretary of Defense.  De Leon currently
serves as under secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness.

"Rudy de Leon has dealt with many of the department's toughest and most
important issues -- maintaining readiness, improving the quality of life for
troops and families and making sure 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

2000-01-11 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 000111b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE BULLETIN WHEN YOU REPLY; CUT/PASTE, EH?
* No testicles were irradiated during the production of this bulletin. Oy.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Exquisite Corpse: http://www.corpse.org/current_issue/index.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Note: KFC chickens DO have beaks and feet. The University of New Hampshire
  has been batting down reports that it's behind genetic engineering that
  lets KFC keep beakless, feetless and featherless chickens alive by tubes.
  Says a school official: "We are in the middle of hosting the presidential
  debates and we start getting these calls about KFC." What's important?
  http://boston.com/dailyglobe2/011/metro/Chicken_hoax_takes_flight-.shtml

: Have you genetically-engineered any avian protein products lately? Is head
irrelevant? Do you prefer meat that's grown in a nutrient bath? Is it tasty?

@ What's worse, the crimes of communism or nazism? You might as well ask if
  it's worse to die of leukemia or a brain tumor, or be hanged or beheaded:
  http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/highlights/tricks_memory/index.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Radiation experiments. Dozens of prisoners had their testicles bombarded
  with radiation in the name  of science back in the '60s and '70s. Now,
  they're getting some long-delayed payback. Nuke my balls 'til they glow,
  Doc: http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/greatballs.html

: Have you bombarded anyone's testicles with radiation lately? Did you learn
anything useful? Will you share it with us? Do your alien masters approve??

@ Abuse, Memory, Science, Therapy, Ethics  Malpractice. "peer-reviewed
  research and other articles...tables summarizing research data topics
  included are: delayed memories of child abuse (i.e., the false memory or
  recovered memory controversy)..." http://www.idealist.com/memories/

@ Memory  Trauma - Society, Trauma  Solidarity. Frozen memories, avoided
  memories: difficulties in the therapeutic relationship with the victims
  of torture: http://www.psychomedia.it/pm/grpind/social/sabatining.htm

: Have you been tortured or otherwise abused lately? Do you repress memory?
Have you tortured or abused anyone lately? Is it an endless, endless cycle?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Schizo-Rama:

# REVERSE TRANSCRIPTASE FOUND IN SCHIZOPHRENIA PATIENTS. Some schizophrenia
  patients have detectable levels of reverse transcriptase in cerebrospinal
  fluid and in postmortem cerebellum, which suggest the presence of a
  retrovirus. http://psychiatry.medscape.com/14627.rhtml

: Is schizophrenia infectious? Have military labs engineered the virus? Why?

# RESEARCHER PROMOTES UNIFIED CONCEPT OF SCHIZOPHRENIA. Schizophrenia has
  many different signs and symptoms, ranging from paranoid delusions to
  apathetic withdrawal. http://psychiatry.medscape.com/14511.rhtml

: Are you paranoid? D'ya have enemies anyway? Are you apathetic? Who cares?

# SCHIZOPHRENIA  PANIC DISORDER: EPIDEMIOLOGY  TREATMENT. Evidence now
  defines 'schizopanic' disorder. http://psychiatry.medscape.com/14670.rhtml
# HISTORY OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE IMPEDES RECOVERY FROM MANIA IN PATIENTS WITH
  BIPOLAR DISORDER: http://psychiatry.medscape.com/14959.rhtml
# DAILY SMOKERS AT INCREASED RISK OF FIRST OCCURRENCE OF PANIC ATTACK:
  http://psychiatry.medscape.com/15056.rhtml

: Have you abused yourself lately? Do you panic easily? Should you? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Democracy in Iran crushed. TEHRAN (AP) A hard-line council has disquali-
  fied at least 69 reformists from legislative polls, ending the president's
  efforts to bring greater democracy to Iran. The Guardian Council booted
  the hopefuls for "lack of commitment to Islam  the Islamic establishment"
  and lack of support for Iran's hard-line supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali
  Khamenei. Theocrats fixing the rules to ensure their continued dominance;
  see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563176618-caf

: Have you suppressed democracy lately? Do you prefer democracy, theocracy,
aristocracy, kleptocracy, anarchy? Will you do ANYTHING to retain power??

# Macau bars pro-democracy activist, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563167032-e1b
# Myanmar frees pro-democracy writer, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563175753-26d
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# ECT EFFECTIVE IN VERY OLD DEPRESSED PATIENTS. Elderly patients with severe
  depression treated with electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) respond as well as
 or better than younger patients. http://psychiatry.medscape.com/14941.rhtml

# ST. JOHN'S WORT EXTRACT AS EFFECTIVE AS IMIPRAMINE IN TREATING MODERATE
  DEPRESSION: http://psychiatry.medscape.com/14944.rhtml
# MOST DEPRESSED PATIENTS 

[CTRL] NEW WORLD COMING

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

 The following was taken from Dec 1999 AIRFORCE MAGAZINE pg 59 article
called

 NEW WORLD COMING
.by Peter Grier
defence correspondent and contributor.

 A sweeping new Pentagon ordered study of the nations national security
 situation concludes " Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly
 in large numbers". Concludes "NEW WORLD COMING" The first report of the US
 commission on National Security?21st Century. This panel also known as the
 Hart -Rudman Commission,for it's two co-chairmen, former U S Senators
Gary
 Hart(D-Colorado) and Warren B Rudman (R- New Hampshire)
 The commission reached 14 basic conclusions about the world of the next 25
 yrs.
 1 America will become increasingly vulnerable to hostile attack on our
 homeland and the military superiority will not entirely protect us.
 2 Rapid advances in information and biotechnology's will create new
 vulnerabilities for US security.
 3 New technologies will divide the world as well as draw it together.
 4The National security of all advanced states will be increasingly
affected
 by the vulnerabilities of the evolving global economic infrastructure.
 5 Energy will continue to have major strategic significance.
 6 The sovereignty of states will come under pressure but will endure.
 8 Fragmentation or failure of states will occur,with destabilizing effects
 on neighboring states.
 9 Foreign crises will be replete with atrocities and the deliberate
 terrorizing of civilian populations.
 10 Space will become a critical and competitive military environment.
  11 The essence of war will not change.
 12 US intelligence will face more challenging adversaries, and even
 excellent intelligence will not prevent all surprises.
 13 The US will be called upon to frequently intervene militarily in a time
 of uncertain alliances and with the prospect of fewer forward deployed
 forces.
 14 The emerging security environment in the next quarter century will
 require different military and other national capabilities.




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Re: [CTRL] [apfn] why?[d.c.jews suck christian taxes]

2000-01-11 Thread Bard

Mary, I'll stand by my Post!
Don't you tire of the Jews representing the Liberal Left (read
Communists)
on all the Talk Shows and interviews on the Jew-controlled establishment
media;  and in this context this includes the Fox News Channel.


  "Americans ought to be free to discuss Jewish power and Jewish
interests frankly, without being accused of denying the rights of Jews.
That should go without saying. The truth is both otherwise and
unmentionable."
--- Joseph Sobran
Open the .txt attachment and read about "The Jewish Establishment" by
Joseph Sobran.

Bard



Mary Ratcliff wrote:

 GOOD LORD BARD!!  I never noticed before that you are into
 the anti-semite trip.  Who on earth is "native" American anymore?!?
 America is comprised of every nationality of people.  How can
 anybody say that one is better than the other?  Do you really
 want to know what is "sucking" the taxpayer's money?  Try
 federally funded abortions on for size.  (and that's one of many
 things).  History has had enough crap of the 'blame the jews'
 trip when everything isn't all roses.  Isn't it bad enough that
 they are having to give land-for-peace that plays like a total
 rerun of Judges 11:15 and onwards where somebody claims
 the land belongs to them blah blah blah.  A professed
 'christian' who hates the Jews is no Christian at all.  Without
 there having been any Jews, there would be no Christianity.

 Bard wrote:

  Gentiles, Wake Up!!

 (snipped)

From: Bard [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: "The Jewish Establishment" by Joseph Sobran

http://www.flinet.com/~politics/aipac/sobran2.htm


  "Americans ought to be free to discuss Jewish power and Jewish interests 
frankly, without being accused of denying the rights of Jews. That should go without 
saying. The truth is both otherwise and unmentionable."
--- Joseph Sobran
--

"The Jewish Establishment"
by
Joseph Sobran


  In the early 1930s, Walter Duranty of the New York Times was in Moscow, covering 
Joe Stalin the way Joe Stalin wanted to be covered. To maintain favor and access, he 
expressly denied that there was famine in the Ukraine even while millions of Ukrainian 
Christians were being starved into submission. For his work Duranty won the Pulitzer 
Prize for journalism. To this day, the Times remains the most magisterial and 
respectable of American newspapers.

  Now imagine that a major newspaper had had a correspondent in Berlin during 
roughly the same period who hobnobbed with Hitler, portrayed him in a flattering 
light, and denied that Jews were being mistreated - thereby not only concealing, but 
materially assisting the regime's persecution. Would that paper's respectability have 
been unimpaired several decades later?

  There you have an epitome of what is lamely called "media bias." The Western 
supporters of Stalin haven't just been excused; they have received the halo of victim 
hood for the campaign, in what liberals call the "McCarthy era," to get them out of 
the government, the education system, and respectable society itself.

  Not only persecution of Jews but any critical mention of Jewish power in the 
media and politics is roundly condemned as "anti-semitism." But there isn't even a 
term of opprobrium for participation in the mass murder of Christians. Liberals still 
don't censure the Communist attempt to extirpate Christianity from Soviet Russia and 
its empire, and for good reason - liberals themselves, particularly Jewish liberals, 
are still trying to uproot Christianity from America.

  It's permissible to discuss the power of every other group, from the Black 
Muslims to the Christian Right, but the much greater power of the Jewish Establishment 
is off-limits. That, in fact, is the chief measure of its power: its ability to impose 
its own taboos while tearing down the taboos of others - you might almost say its 
prerogative of offending. You can read articles in Jewish-controlled publications from 
the Times to Commentary blaming Christianity for the Holocaust or accusing Pope Pius 
XII of indifference to it, but don't look for articles in any major publication that 
wants to stay in business examining the Jewish role in Communism and liberalism, 
however temperately.

  Power openly acquired, openly exercised, and openly discussed is one thing. You 
may think organized labor or the Social Security lobby abuses its power, but you don't 
jeopardize your career by saying so. But a kind of power that forbids its own public 
mention, like the Holy Name in the Old Testament, is another matter entirely.

  There is an important anomaly here. The word "Jewish," in this 

[CTRL] FW: China and India Declare War on the WTO

2000-01-11 Thread Dave

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A very interesting development, coming in the wake of the Kamapa's flight,
and Palden Jenkin's recently shared thoughts on the Chechens, Tibet, China,
India  Mongolia.

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave

http://www.stratfor.com/
__
STRATFOR.COM Weekly Global Intelligence Update
11 January 2000

China and India Declare War on the WTO

Summary

China and India are championing the cause of developing nations
that are members of the World Trade Organization (WTO). India has
warned that the "WTO cannot be allowed to become another world
government," while China has said that the organization "does not
reflect the interests and demands of developing countries enough
and clearly has defects." Both nations have called for developing
nations to rally together to take a stronger role in the WTO. As
major economies of the developing nations prepare for conflict with
the developed nations, the efficacy and fate of the WTO are at
stake.


Analysis

Speaking on Jan. 10 at the Confederation of Indian Industry's
annual Partnership Summit, Indian Commerce and Industry Minister
Murasoli Maran called for developing nations in the World Trade
Organization (WTO) to join together to counter the influence of
developed nations. At a Beijing press conference, also on Jan. 10,
the Chinese vice-minister of the Foreign Trade and Economic
Cooperation Ministry, Zhang Xiang, criticized the WTO for
insufficiently reflecting "the interests and demand of developing
countries." Zhang further suggested that China's WTO entry would
strengthen the negotiating hand of the developing nations within
the organization. With both India and China targeting the WTO, the
showdown recently seen in Seattle
[ http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/112999.asp ] is likely to
continue, threatening the role of the international body
[ http://www.stratfor.com/shakeupimf.htm ].

The WTO is divided between developing nations and developed
nations, particularly the United States and the European Union. The
battle between these two factions hampered agreement in Seattle
last year. India, currently one of the largest economies among the
developing nations in the WTO, has called for the uncoupling of
labor and environmental standards from the WTO's core focus: trade.

During his speech in New Delhi, Maran called for more time and
preferential treatment for developing nations as they worked to
integrate with the global economic system. Maran warned, "The WTO
cannot be allowed to become another world government." He called
for developing nations to resist moves by the developed nations
that threaten sanctions to reduce the competitiveness of the
developing nations.

Even though it has yet to complete the bilateral agreements that
precede membership in the WTO, China, too, has attacked the
dominance of developed nations in setting the organization's
agenda. China is already setting itself up as a leader among
developing nations in countering what it perceives to be the
overwhelming influence of the United States in the international
organization.

In a Chinese government paper detailed by Japan's Kyodo News, China
foresees a clash between the "Chinese-style market economy based on
socialism and the interventionist policies of Western countries."
China expects that its entry into the WTO will increase the ability
of developing nations to "counter large countries and obtain equal
rights and interests amid the world economy which has been
manipulated by the economic policies based on Western countries'
strong-arm politics."

With China and India, both major economies among the developing
nations, looking to take control of the WTO agenda, conflict with
developed nations - led primarily by the United States - is
inevitable. The WTO may well end up perpetually mired in debates
between the developing and developed nations, leading to more
ungainly compromises, like the sharing of the director-general
position [ http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/050699.asp ].

In addition, if developing nations in support of preferential
treatment and state-run economies do take control in the WTO, the
United States and other major developed nations may pull back from
the organization, leaving it an ineffective bloc of third-world
economies with little international influence. Already, the WTO's
size and the economic disparities between member nations seriously
hamper the institution.

The failure of the recent agenda-setting meeting in Seattle, as
well as the difficulties in even choosing a WTO director general
last year are clear indicators of the direction in which the WTO as
an organization is headed.




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[CTRL] ALGERIAN TERRORISTS LINKED TO BIN LADEN

2000-01-11 Thread Hilary A. Thomas










ALGERIAN 
TERRORISTS LINKED TO BIN LADEN 


By NILES 
LATHEM 










  
POST EXCLUSIVE 
-- 
The Algerian terror group whose members were caught allegedly 
smuggling explosives into the United States joined forces with Osama 
bin Laden's network and planned to strike here on his behalf, The 
Post has learned. 
Law-enforcement agencies in Seattle and New York have established 
a number of connections between bin Laden and the Algerian Armed 
Islamic Group, four of whose members were arrested on immigration, 
explosives and conspiracy charges last month. 
Sources told The Post that a key piece of the puzzle was a 
chilling communiqu issued in September by a senior commander 
of the Algerian Armed Islamic Group, which goes by the initials GIA 
in French. 
The communiqu celebrated the second anniversary of the 
bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, an operation 
credited to bin Laden's al Qeda organization -- and warned of more 
attacks. 
We say to all the enemies of God in France and the U.S. and 
elsewhere that the explosions that took place in Nairobi and Dar Es 
Salaam prove that we carry through on our threats. Do not think it 
is bin Laden alone who is behind this, the communiqu 
said to be written by GIA senior commander Antar Zouabri said. 
This involves children from the Armed Islamic Group who 
will poison you. So expect more acts. 
U.S. counter-terrorism officials interpreted the 
communiqu, recently obtained through intelligence channels, 
as a possible explanation for why GIA members appeared to be 
targeting the United States. 
It is now becoming increasingly clear that there was a plan 
to launch a major attack in the United States and that an Algerian 
cell was activated for the job, said Yossef Bodansky, staff 
director of the House Subcommittee on Terrorism. 
It is also clear that the Algerians are now part of the big 
family of world Islamicists that is headed by Osama bin Laden. 

Attorney General Janet Reno is expected to decide soon that 
separate arrests of GIA members last month in Washington state and 
Brooklyn are part of one conspiracy and that the case will be tried 
in federal court in New York. 
http://www.nypostonline.com/news/21693.htm


[CTRL] Pyongyang 'up to old tricks' in reactor deal

2000-01-11 Thread Hilary A. Thomas




Give an extortionist what he wants and he'll come back 
for more. Where's the surprise here?

Hilary







Tuesday, January 11, 2000 
KOREA 

Pyongyang 'up to old tricks' 
in reactor deal 
ROGER DEAN DU MARS in 
Seoul 

A month after the North Korean light water nuclear reactor deal was 
finally sealed, Pyongyang has again resorted to brinkmanship to 
extort more money - with an eye to for upcoming talks with 
Washington - say observers. 
Pyongyang is demanding pay be increased from US$110 (HK$854) to 
US$600 a month for 200 labourers at the Keumho construction site. 
The nuclear facility is being built by the Korean Energy 
Development Organisation (Kedo). 
Pyongyang said the wages were unfairly low, citing workers' pay 
in South Korea of about US$2,000 for the same tasks. 
Analysts said the wages were high by North Korean standards and 
workers would probably never see the pay rise, which Pyongyang would 
pocket. 
Last month Seoul, Washington, Pyongyang and Tokyo - the members 
of the consortium primarily responsible for funding construction of 
the reactors - signed an agreement designed to cap North Korea's 
ambitions of developing a nuclear arsenal. 
Created a year after the 1994 Agreed Framework in Geneva, the 
Kedo project had been routinely delayed. The December signing was 
considered a major marker in taming the bellicose and outspoken 
Stalinist regime. 
Although North Korea had been threatening to withdraw the 
workforce and disrupt the Kedo project, analysts said Pyongyang was 
up to its old tricks again. 
Pyongyang is doing what it typically does, pushing the 
envelope by making unreasonable demands to test the resolve of Kedo 
members to extort more money, Professor Lee Chung-min, of the 
graduate school of international studies at Yonsei University, said. 

When North Korea argued for the wage rise last October, Kedo 
executive director Dusaix Anderson sent a letter to Pyongyang 
explaining that a written agreement in 1997 explicitly established 
the fixed wages. 
Analysts say North Korea is not expecting immediate capitulation 
to its demand. 
That kind of demand is not accepted, especially with all 
the countries involved, North Korea expert Lee Jong-heon said. 

The Kim Jong-il regime is placing a barricade in front of 
the project to prepare for future Kedo negotiations and for the 
upcoming Pyongyang/Washington talks. 
Vice-Foreign Minister Kim Kye-gwan and US special envoy Charles 
Kartman are due to meet in Berlin on January 22 to discuss bilateral 
issues. 
This demand is a wake-up call for members, Professor 
Lee said. Kedo is a cash cow for North Korea and it's not 
going to walk out of it. The countries involved should see this as a 
litmus test. 
http://www.scmp.com/News/Asia/Article/FullText_asp_ArticleID-2111025455826.asp





[CTRL] How Hillary Beat the Rap

2000-01-11 Thread Hilary A. Thomas





Monday January 10, 7:44 
PM 
How Hillary Beat the Rap 
By the spring of 1996 the legal picture looked very bleak for 
First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. So bleak, in fact, that predictions of her 
imminent indictment were everywhere. 
Clinton's long-subpoenaed Rose Law billing records, complete with her 
fingerprints, had just materialized in the White House Book Room. For an 
explanation, Independent Counsel Ken Starr had brought Hillary before his 
Washington grand jury, an historic humiliation for a sitting president's wife. 
But perhaps the most dangerous development for Mrs. Clinton was the emergence 
of a smoking gun memo written by top White House aide and longtime Clinton 
friend David Watkins. In it, Watkins quoted Hillary demanding that he fire the 
Travel Office staff because we need those slots for our people. 
Watkins' contemporaneous notes made it amply clear that when Mrs. Clinton 
denied under oath that she pushed for the Travel Office firings, she was lying. 
Instantly the three-year-old document became known as the Hell to 
Pay memo. Watkins wrote that if Mrs. Clinton's order to fire the Travel 
Office staff wasn't followed, there would be hell to pay for himself 
and his co-worker-friend Vince Foster. Accounts from other White House staffers 
corroborated Watkins' version, blatantly contradicting Mrs. Clinton's. 
Barbara Olson, whose new best-selling Hillary biography takes its title from 
the Watkins memo, was the lead investigative counsel for the House Travelgate 
Committee. In October 1996, her boss, committee chairman William Clinger 
(R-Pa.), handed up criminal referrals for a myriad of top Clinton aides. But, to 
the shock of many familiar with Hillary's legal vulnerabilities, he did not name 
Mrs. Clinton. 
Chairman Clinger thought long and hard about that, Olson told 
NewsMax.com last week. He just felt as though it was improper to name her 
in a criminal referral. 
Did Clinger believe that the first lady had committed perjury? 
He felt that there was a conflict between her testimony and certain 
evidence, Olson explained diplomatically. We had lots of evidence 
that showed Mrs. Clinton not only had a hand [in the Travel Office firings] but 
that she was the driving force. 
Like what? 
We not only had David Watkins' notes, explained Olson, we 
had Mack McLarty's memo talking about 'HRC pressure,' we had Vince Foster's 
notebook talking about all his conversations with Hillary, we had material from 
Harry Thomason. We had a lot of other evidence. 
McLarty was cited by Clinger's committee for possible perjury and obstruction 
of justice, along with White House counsel Bernard Nussbaum, associate counsel 
Bill Kennedy, deputy counsel Jane Sherburne and even Harry Thomason, the 
Clintons' Hollywood producer friend. The committee also referred Craig 
Livingstone and Anthony Marceca to the Office of Independent Counsel on possible 
charges related to Filegate, an outgrowth of the Travelgate probe. 
But in deference to the Office of the First Lady, Clinger spared Hillary 
Clinton. On the day after the Travelgate referrals were announced, the 
Washington Times reported: 
Committee sources said last night that Mrs. Clinton's name was omitted 
to avoid White House and media criticism of such a citation, and they noted 
pointedly that Mr. Starr, and not the panel, has the authority to bring criminal 
charges. 
Apparently the Office of Independent Counsel has accorded Mrs. Clinton the 
same deference she won from Chairman Clinger. But reports that a draft 
Whitewater indictment was prepared for Starr indicate just how guilty the first 
lady looked to investigators. 
In 1998, Starr's Little Rock grand jury shut down without indicting either 
Bill or Hillary on Whitewater charges, indicating the end of that phase of his 
investigation. But Starr's successor Robert Ray has yet to officially close the 
Travelgate probe, leaving the possibility of a indictment there open - if only 
technically. 
In fact, the legal momentum to criminally charge Hillary Clinton evaporated 
long ago. It's now plain that neither Congress nor the OIC was willing to face 
the public relations nightmare that an indictment of a sitting first lady would 
have sparked. 
Hillary Clinton has beaten the rap. 
And quite a rap it is. Travelgate prober Olson gave NewsMax.com. a guided 
tour through some other areas that concerned her committee's investigators. 
As the lead lawyer probing the case, it was Olson's job to prepare 
interrogatories for the first lady in an attempt to clarify Clinton's previous 
Travelgate testimony supplied to the General Accounting Office. Some of Olson's 
questions touched on the suspected removal of possible Travelgate evidence from 
Vince Foster's office shortly after he died. 
Newly unearthed phone records revealed a flurry of calls on the night Foster 
died between Mrs. Clinton, her chief of staff Maggie Williams, her New York 
operative Susan Thomases and Foster's boss Bernard Nussbaum. 

[CTRL] WF Buckely - On The Right - January 11, 2000 (fwd)

2000-01-11 Thread Yardbird

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  William F. Buckley, Jr. - ON THE RIGHT
 Friday, January 11, 2000


 NEW HAMPSHIRE HEADLIGHTS

The two presidential debates and their immediate aftermaths
were fine, strenuous exercises in democratic practice. It was
smart of C-SPAN and of Chris Matthews to move into the scene
immediately, to question the candidates and to bring in the
intimate, earnest questions of individual spectators, especially
the very young, whose questions tend to be innocently earnest.
They were bracing reminders of the value of television in such
heady exercises as aspirant presidents are going through in
New Hampshire.

On the larger scene, we see in Gore and Bradley two very
skillful debaters. They know keenly the uses of the bell. If
a question is a little decomposing, why, rattle on until the
two minutes are up and accept, with apparent regret, the
constraints of time that kept you from developing your points
more fully.

But two questions, one of them having to do with gun control,
the other with gays in the military, brought out interesting
differences in character and approach. Gore, the Fabian; Bradley,
the Bolshevik.

What is the ideal, in the matter of gun control, as far as
Gore is concerned? It is to get all handguns registered. But --
but -- he is not endorsing legislation to that effect because
great endeavors are done a mile at a time, and what he wants now,
he told the audience, is such lesser measures as outlawing assault
weapons and Saturday Night specials. Not so for Bradley; he wants
the instant realization of his vision.

It is so also in the matter of gays, though with sophisticated
differences. The two players believe that it is as manifestly
correct that gays should move about within the military without
any trace of difficulty, as it was true that American blacks
should have been noiselessly integrated in the armed services.
But now we saw a slighter difference in approach than in the
matter of gun control. Gore would question candidates for
senior positions in the military, a litmus-test, he all but
acknowledged. If General Jones felt as President Gore feels
about the matter, then General Jones would qualify to serve
as a chief of staff. President Gore would question the general
on these matters before deciding whether to promote him.

A waste of time! -- President Bradley would simply say to
General Jones: My position on gays in the military is total,
seamless integration. And since I am the commander in chief,
it is manifest that that will be the policy you implement.

Moreover, Mr. Bradley knows the philosophical implications of
his position. It is up to the leader, he says, to animate the
ideals of the public -- this is what leadership consists in.
Gore's position is one step removed from this. He believes that
acquiescence is more gradually achieved.

Leaving entirely to one side whether it is desirable that all
guns should be registered or that gays belong in the military,
the differences in political approach are relevant to a voter's
decision in which direction -- Gore or Bradley -- to go in the
Democratic contest.

Abraham Lincoln's metamorphosis comes quickly to mind. Lincoln
believed passionately in two propositions. The first was that
slavery should be forbidden. The second, that self-government
requires a consensus. It can be argued that Lincoln failed,
inasmuch as what came wasn't a progressive consensus on the
matter of full liberty for the slaves. Rather, the question
was settled by a civil war.

But Lincoln's philosophy survives the historical narrative.
He truly believed that unless the majority of the citizens of
the republic, expressing themselves through the mediating
devices set up by the Constitution, reached a conclusion on
so grave a question, temporizing was exactly the thing to do.
Fight an extension of slavery in the territories, fight the
Supreme Court's Dred Scott decision, fight the legislation
that called for returning fugitive slaves -- but stop short of
anything like an emancipation declaration.

There are differences, obviously, between categorical behavior
intended to free black Americans serving as slaves -- differences
John Brown did not apprehend -- and insisting on the
registration of all privately owned arms. On the matter of the
gays, the relevant question surely is whether at a level
beneath that of commander in chief, judgments should be
solicited on the question of what is needed to induce high
morale in the military.

The argument that there is no difference in overcoming
conventional sexual discrimination and overcoming conventional
racial discrimination is not self-evident. Something else is at
stake, and the exchanges among the six Republican candidates,
no one of whom wished to go any further on the issue than the
current arrangement, yield a clear national issue. And we have

Re: [CTRL] [apfn] why?[d.c.jews suck christian taxes]

2000-01-11 Thread Bard

Mary, I have never considered the Jews as one of the different varieties
of mankind:  Caucascoid, Mongoloid, or Negroid groups, distinguished by
kind of hair, color of skin, stature, etc.:  now often replaced by
scientific use by 'ethnic stock' or 'group'.
I would consider them under the second definition of Webster's
Dictionary which is, any geographical, national or tribal ethnic
grouping.
Race has nothing to do with!!  It is what an organized group of 'people'
believe in their goal of using usury to gain control over the World.
In my view, there are many people of Jewish ancestory out there who,
like myself, know what is happening to our Nation.
You seem to be one of those who mouth the insidious divisive policies of
the far-left (read communists).
I find nothing 'wrong' is exposing the Left and its Jewish lackeys,
supported by their ignorant minions.
The payoff, of course, is continued or more aid their Mother country
which they stole with the help of British and the Americans back in
1948.

The Talmud teaches that "If a man rises up to kill you, kill him first".

While so-called "white supremacist" ideology is offensive at best,
Americans have the right to believe whatever they wish. If people want
to believe that Jews are the "spawn of Satan", or that Blacks are "mud
people", they have the right to do so, as long as they don't resort to
violence. Likewise, if people want to believe that they are a "chosen
people" or that Jesus was not the Son of G-d, they have the right to do
so. Both Jews and white supremacists hold non-mainstream beliefs. So
theoretically, it is in each group's best interest to support the right
to hold minority beliefs.
For more, open the .txt attachment:
An Open Letter to American Jews
by Sarah Thompson, M.D.

Mary, If your not concerned about the American taxpayer being ripped
off,
then I guess you will continue voting for the status quo.

Ever wonder why the national debt continues to increase,
even though the d.c. thugs mouth a surplus?

The rapist is nothing more that a Jew lackey,
as is Alan Greenspan.

Bard
At the extremes of Power2, totalitarian communist
governments slaughter their people by the tens of millions, while many
democracies can barely bring themselves to execute even serial
murderers.



Mary Ratcliff wrote:

 Why pick them out?  There are every bit just as many (and more)
 non-Jewish liberal left as there are Jewish!  Jane Fonda was as
 leftist as they come!  But I've heard she has found Christ. Is Gore
 Jewish?   He's writing environmental earth-worshippy clap trap
 these days.  I don't think the Clintons are Jewish, but they sure
 are FAR-LEFT.  Leftists of any race are taking us down .. well,
 the left path.  To single out a race merely makes it appear that
 the lefties are correct in their propaganda that all right wingers
 are racist (which is a lie).

 Bard wrote:

  Mary, I'll stand by my Post!
  Don't you tire of the Jews representing the Liberal Left (read
  Communists)
  on all the Talk Shows and interviews on the Jew-controlled establishment
  media;  and in this context this includes the Fox News Channel.

An Open Letter to American Jews
Sarah Thompson, M.D.

Last Thursday marked the start of the Jewish month of Elul, the month during which 
Jews traditionally search their souls in preparation for the New Year. It's a time for 
introspection and self-examination, for resolving differences with others, for 
attempting to correct our errors, for asking forgiveness of those we may have harmed, 
and for granting forgiveness to those who ask sincerely.

As always, my list of failings and shortcomings is long, and I have much work to do. 
But this year, I've got an additional problem. I'm angry at my fellow Jews. And as 
long as I'm angry, how can I ask G-d, or anyone else, to forgive me? Of course you 
don't know that I'm angry or why I'm angry. So I suppose I need to tell you, which is 
why I'm writing this. After that, it's up to you.

Much of this is harsh. I fully expect to be condemned for writing it, and "speaking 
ill" of my fellow Jews. But I believe that I have an obligation to preserve Judaism 
and Jewish life, and that obligation supercedes any obligation to be "polite". Please 
remember that I love you; it's your behavior and attitudes that I don't understand. 
And if this angers or hurts you, please let me know and I will do what I can to make 
things right. This is, G-d willing, a time for healing.

Monday, children and parents returned to the North Valley Jewish Community Center 
outside Los Angeles. Less than a week before, an avowed "white supremacist" attacked 
the center and shot five people. The kids wore brightly colored hair for "Crazy Hair 
Day", and were accompanied by clowns and magicians. The media portrayed it as a happy 
ending to a tragic event.

But I'm still grieving. I keep thinking of my two bright, sweet, loving nieces who 
could just as easily have been victims. Like the children in LA, they attend a Jewish 
day 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3

2000-01-11 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 000111c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE BULLETIN WHEN YOU REPLY; CUT/PASTE, EH?
* No alleged witches were burnt during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Universal Church of the Divine Julius: http://www.clik.to/sidusjulium
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Evidence of Europa ocean. LOS ANGELES (AP) New evidence from NASA's Gali-
  leo spacecraft bolsters theories that a liquid ocean lies under the crust
  of Jupiter's moon Europa. The findings indirectly support the case for
  life beneath the moon's icy crust. Some experts think primitive organisms
  could survive just as they do deep in the Earth's ocean near volcanic
  vents. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563188256-227
  And http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_598000/598601.stm

# Also: Scars on an icy moon:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_227000/227227.stm
# Searching for life on Europa:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_159000/159770.stm

: Have you seeded any planet(oid)s with life lately? Is it hard to grow? Do
you require help from deities, demons, aliens, robots, me? Are we worth it?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# OPEN ACCESS? AOL was a leader in the fight to force cable companies
  to permit open access for Net providers to cable systems. But now AOL
  will be a cable system; activists are howling. Will Time-Warner content
  take precedence? http://www.variety.com/article.asp?articleID=1117760740

# Saving a dinosaur? AOL to the rescue. Traditional media are dying:
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27695-2000Jan10.html
# Hollywood reaction: Big sigh - It changes the landscape of our businesses:
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/feed/a29564-2000jan11.htm

: What's your favorite media monster? Do media monsters force you to buy odd
stuff? Would ya like to buy a media monster? Is there too much money around?

@ Stephanie Herman's husband could live on $50 a month, while she dusts
  and polishes all the stuff she seems doomed to buy. Are women hard
  wired to shop? http://www.americanpartisan.com/cols/herman.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Poli-Sci-a-Rama:

@ Support http://members.aol.com/bobby4pres/2000.htm America's first Gen-X
  presidential candidate. Even if he's horrible as a president, it'll be
  worth it just to hear him say "Dude, this rocks!" at the inauguration.
  And assuage your political cravings at www.memepool.com/Subject/Politics/

@ Are you outraged that our country is sliding into moral decay? Get out
  your big black hat and belt buckle, join the Puritan Party, and help
  bring back the long lost art of witchburning. http://ows.net/puritan/

@ Sick of Democrats  Republicans? Try the Pansexual Peace Party, which
  wants to promote positive political progress and the partnership paradigm
  through prurient propaganda, and perhaps also pick a peck of pickled
  peppers. http://members.tripod.com/Hail_Eris/eris//homey.htm

@ Some things just naturally go together, like peanut butter  chocolate,
  eggs  bacon, Sonny  Cher, and http://msu.edu/user/stacey/ Battlestar
  Galactica  the Republican Party. And see www.memepool.com/Subject/Wackos/

: Are you a political animal? Do you live in a political zoo? Would you like
to break out, ravage the countryside, collect taxes, impose random policies?
Do you lust for power, prestige, control? Do you control your lusts? Where?

@ America Is Not Supposed to Be a Club. The idea that America has to be like
  many other countries, populated by a more or less homogeneous group whose
  ideas and ideals are nearly uniform. For example, the people of Iran or
  Israel or even Sweden—is gaining some prominence today. Some on the Right,
  such as Pat Buchanan, while others on the Left, such as communitarians,
  believe that all Americans should be inculcated with a set of values that
  will unite them as a team. http://www.zolatimes.com/V4.2/america_club.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# HOLLYWOOD UNIONS AND THE BLACKLIST: Hollywood producers "always maintained
  that the blacklist was essentially forced on them by a powerful one-two
  punch of politics and public opinion. True enough. But it's also true that
  the Hollywood blacklist descended directly -- perhaps even more so than
  previously thought -- from a virulent strain of anti-union sentiment. New
  interviews, access to internal Hollywood memoranda and a review of the
  existing but largely forgotten record all suggest that unions -- one in
  particular -- threatened to cut into studio control and profits. And the
  studios would do anything, even ruin lives, to keep that from happening."
  http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2000/01/11/blacklist/index.html

: 

[CTRL] AIDS Files (Mass hypnosis, WHO, Poison by subscription, Depopulation)

2000-01-11 Thread Light Network

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For your information and consideration;

THE A.I.D.S. Files
http://www.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/aidsfile.htm

About
MASS HYPNOSIS, HIV, WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION,
POISON BY SUBSCRIPTION  DEPOPULATION!

"To heal a situation it must first be exposed
Once exposed it must be healed."

This is the purpose of this document.

A.I.D.S. (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome)
A SYNDROME a "collection of symptoms" -

What about if someone discovers that he or she has been infected with the
so called "HIV" virus?

The information the infected person will receive from the medical doctor,
nurse, or other appointed health department officials will be that the HIV
virus is the sole cause of Aids.  And that over the years the final result
will be the breaking down of his or her immunity system.

The recommendation the person will receive is to start taking the AZT drug
or a similar cocktail in order to prolong life and postpone death. A
frightening and bleak prospect for the person in question. In the coming
years many more people worldwide will pay a visit to their health
departments or officials, as personal testing kits to discover if someone
has been or has not been infected with HIV will become more and more
available.

It may be better therefore to become your own Sherlok Holmes, developing
your skills as a private detective to unravel the truth.

You won't usually get the following information from doctors or health
officials:

1) Doctors Kill More People Than Guns and Traffic Accidents Combined.Ops!
2) Doctors and official health officials have not been trained in the
Medical Schools to look for the causes but to treat symptoms. Neither have
they been educated how to maintain, improve or recover the human immune
system, other than by the treatment with drugs or by the means of surgery.
3) They are blindly following the guidelines of their Governmental Health
Department which in its turn is financing, following and supporting the
guidelines of the World Health Organisation which is maintained by the
money collected from its citizens. (your tax money?)
4) There is not one single scientific document proving that HIV is the
cause of AIDS, it is a HYPOTHESIS.
5) It was reported in 1996, that there are 65 known "false positive
triggers" for HIV tests -- so how is it possible to know that people are
infected and live with "HIV", taking into consideration the false and
dubious test results?
(The false positive triggering conditions are included in the AIDS files.)
6) The recommendation of the drug AZT or the cocktails not only kills the
virus but also the healthy  cells. In other words, the treatment is to
eliminate the virus while at the same time endangering the life of the
patient and adding the case to the statistics published by the World Health
Organisation. One could wonder if it would be more appropriate to call the
World Health Organisation the World  Pharmaceutical Organisation.
7) The world-wide brainwashing propaganda that AIDS is being caused by a
virus, is financed by the AIDS establishment. The brilliant idea behind it
is to first create a problem using fear and afterwards offering the
solutions. The deadly HIV virus being the problem and the poisonous drugs,
AZT, and the cocktails the solutions.
8) All other scientists, researchers, publishers, individuals are
constantly being censored and ridiculed in order to avoid that people
become aware of this assault on humanity.
9) The World Health Organisation, according an article published in 1983,
has been influenced and taken over by pharmaceutical interests, playing the
money game. This same World Health Organisation is also behind the push for
the global vaccination programs and the fluoride propaganda machine
poisoning children, adults and the environment.
10) Who knows but with the insistence of treating AIDS with toxic
drugs, the censorship to avoid other points of views, it looks as if the
AIDS Establishment is following the Global 2000 depopulation program, a
global goal to eliminate at least 50% of the world population.

Therefore we suggest you to become your own Sherlock Holmes, a good
detective, assuming your own responsibility by following your intuition.

CONTENTS OF THE AIDS FILE FOR YOU TO DISCERN;

* WORLD HEALTH or WORLD PHARMACEUTICAL ORGANISATION?
* 65 FACTORS KNOWN TO CAUSE FALSE POSITIVE HIV ANTIBODY TESTS
( includes Flu vaccination, malaria, Rheumatoid arthritis,  Hepatitis B
vaccination, Tetanus vaccination)
* HIV POSITIVE ? DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU LIVE...
* THE HIV WESTERN BLOT TEST
* AZT IS DEATH
* AZT -CHEMICAL NAME: Azidothymidine -GENERIC NAME: Zidovudine -NICK NAME:
AZT
(The AZT advisory on the label reads: "TOXIC. Toxic by inhalation, in
contact with skin and if swallowed. Target organ(s): Blood bone marrow. If
you feel unwell, seek medical advice (show the label where possible). Wear
suitable protective clothing." Note the skull and bones on the 

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[CTRL] FWD: China and India Declare War on the WTO

2000-01-11 Thread DIG alfred webre

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China and India Declare War on the WTO

Summary

China and India are championing the cause of developing nations
that are members of the World Trade Organization (WTO). India has
warned that the "WTO cannot be allowed to become another world
government," while China has said that the organization "does not
reflect the interests and demands of developing countries enough
and clearly has defects." Both nations have called for developing
nations to rally together to take a stronger role in the WTO. As
major economies of the developing nations prepare for conflict with
the developed nations, the efficacy and fate of the WTO are at
stake.


Analysis

Speaking on Jan. 10 at the Confederation of Indian Industry's
annual Partnership Summit, Indian Commerce and Industry Minister
Murasoli Maran called for developing nations in the World Trade
Organization (WTO) to join together to counter the influence of
developed nations. At a Beijing press conference, also on Jan. 10,
the Chinese vice-minister of the Foreign Trade and Economic
Cooperation Ministry, Zhang Xiang, criticized the WTO for
insufficiently reflecting "the interests and demand of developing
countries." Zhang further suggested that China's WTO entry would
strengthen the negotiating hand of the developing nations within
the organization. With both India and China targeting the WTO, the
showdown recently seen in Seattle
[ http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/112999.asp ] is likely to
continue, threatening the role of the international body
[ http://www.stratfor.com/shakeupimf.htm ].

The WTO is divided between developing nations and developed
nations, particularly the United States and the European Union. The
battle between these two factions hampered agreement in Seattle
last year. India, currently one of the largest economies among the
developing nations in the WTO, has called for the uncoupling of
labor and environmental standards from the WTO's core focus: trade.

During his speech in New Delhi, Maran called for more time and
preferential treatment for developing nations as they worked to
integrate with the global economic system. Maran warned, "The WTO
cannot be allowed to become another world government." He called
for developing nations to resist moves by the developed nations
that threaten sanctions to reduce the competitiveness of the
developing nations.

Even though it has yet to complete the bilateral agreements that
precede membership in the WTO, China, too, has attacked the
dominance of developed nations in setting the organization's
agenda. China is already setting itself up as a leader among
developing nations in countering what it perceives to be the
overwhelming influence of the United States in the international
organization.

In a Chinese government paper detailed by Japan's Kyodo News, China
foresees a clash between the "Chinese-style market economy based on
socialism and the interventionist policies of Western countries."
China expects that its entry into the WTO will increase the ability
of developing nations to "counter large countries and obtain equal
rights and interests amid the world economy which has been
manipulated by the economic policies based on Western countries'
strong-arm politics."

With China and India, both major economies among the developing
nations, looking to take control of the WTO agenda, conflict with
developed nations - led primarily by the United States - is
inevitable. The WTO may well end up perpetually mired in debates
between the developing and developed nations, leading to more
ungainly compromises, like the sharing of the director-general
position [ http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/050699.asp ].

In addition, if developing nations in support of preferential
treatment and state-run economies do take control in the WTO, the
United States and other major developed nations may pull back from
the organization, leaving it an ineffective bloc of third-world
economies with little international influence. Already, the WTO's
size and the economic disparities between member nations seriously
hamper the institution.

The failure of the recent agenda-setting meeting in Seattle, as
well as the difficulties in even choosing a WTO director general
last year are clear indicators of the direction in which the WTO as
an organization is headed.




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[CTRL] IUFO: Solar EMG and paranormal effects at Fatima, 1917?

2000-01-11 Thread DIG alfred webre

More to the ongoing discussion of the origin of paranormal experiences.  This
is a very suggestive report on the possible effects of solar phenomena on
paranormal "miracles" felt by 3 girls at Fatima, Portugal in 1917.  Note
several key "end-of-the-world" messages emanate from the Fatima events, and
are an important part of contemporary apocalyptic culture.
Alfred
=
 http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/lists/iufo/2000/Jan/0292.html

  From: "Bill Hamilton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Recently we had mention of the Fatima apparitions on the discussion list.
I found the following post on the UFO Updates list and it seems there is
surprising new information concerning these apparitions that seem to tie them
more closely to UFO-like phenomena:
 
  Bill Hamilton Executive Director Skywatch International, Inc.
 
  Fatima UFO-like Apparitions, 1917
 
  In 1917, from May 13 to October 13 ocurred at a rural spot of Portugal,
Cova da Iria, near the village of FATIMA, a serie of paranormal/religious
events which turned to be spread and accepted around the catholic world as
"apparitions of the Virgin Mary".
 
  Among ufologists on the other hand, there are many who feel that the
events at FATIMA, in 1917, may have a close and familiar ufological
perspective. Jacques Vallée or Paul Misraki, were some of the researchers who
suspected of that kind of related modern "unidentified aerial phenomena".
 
  Joaquim Fernandes and Fina d'Armada, two Portuguese historians, challenged
themselves to prove these claims, and after six years of intensive effort
they succeded in assembling an impressive body of documentation and
testimonial evidence that suggests new hypothesis to explain the so-called
"Virgin Mary apparitions".
 
  In 1982 the two researchers publish a 460 pages book untitled
  "Intervenção Extraterrestre em Fátima - as aparições e o fenómeno OVNI"
(Amadora, Livraria Bertrand) ("Extraterrestrial Intervention in Fatima - the
apparitions and the UFO phenomenon"),which was reedited in 1995 in a revised
version by Editorial Estampa, Lisboa, under the title "Tha Fatima Apparitions
and the UFO Phenomenon".
 
  This great work - the most detailed thesis ever published by Portuguese
scholars - on the contrary of most the foreign books about this event is
based on first-hand sources, original interrogations and statements made by
the three principal percipients of the "apparitions", namely Lucia, Francisco
and Jacinta and also a selected group of on hundred first-hand witnesses of
the events.
 
  A few important and forgot issues of the 1917 events were uncovered by
Joaquim Fernandes and Fina d'Armada, such as:
 
  1) - a "fourth percipient" namely Carolina Carreira, whom describes a
"telephatic type of contact with a fair-headed being of small stature who
instilled into her head a repetitive order described as follows: "Come here
and say three Ave Marias, come and say three Ave Marias...".
 
  2) - a surprised description given by Lucia, the eldest of the three
percipients, when at the "Parochial Enquiry" she spoke of a "very shining
lady, about 1 meter and 10 cms in height, seming to be between 12 and 15
years old, wearing a narrow skirt, a jacket and a cloak, all with golden
cords, running through them. She came from "above" and vanished-gradually in
the inverse direction, made no facial movements, nor did she articulate her
lower lips, and moved only her hands from time to time. She had a luminous
BALL in hand and she turned her back towards the percipients when she
departed"
 
  3) - the authors managed to determine the distance parameters of the
so-called "solar phenomenon" of October 13, 1917, from the witnesses
positions on the ground. J. Fernandes and F. d' Armada found that they were
all within a band of 70 meters wide and running through the Cova da Iria
area, center of that spectacular aerial phenomenon, called by the vast
multitude of people waiting as the "miracle of the sun".
 
  This band, oriented south-north, contained all the witnesses who reported
secondaty effects only experienced during the time of the "solar phenomenon",
that is to say at the moment when the
  "solar object" descended in a terrifying parabola over the crowd of 60,000
people. The effects felt in that band were: 1. sudden and intense heat; 2.
drying of clothing and of the soil; 3. physiological effects or "miraculous
cures".
 
  These kind of effects seems consistents, according some researchers, like
nuclear physicists James McCampbell and Jean-Pierre Petit (CNRS, France),
with a "microwave radiation", also detected in preliminar samples from "crop
circles" spots by the biophysics dr. W. Levengood. Others studies, conducted
by the Canadian Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineering and the
french Toulouse DERMO laboratories found a "hamming or buzzing effect" inside
the percipients's heads produced by a microwave radiation between 200and 3000
MHz, and called as
  "microwave auditive phenomenon", as well perceived and reported in 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #4

2000-01-11 Thread Ric Carter

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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Altoids ad posing as a porn site: http://www.toohot.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# French schools offer morning-after pill. (BBC) French authorities will
  allow schoolgirls access to emergency contraception without seeing a
  doctor. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_599000/599311.stm

# Also: Emergency contraception:
  news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/medical_notes/newsid_536000/536743.stm
# Advance morning-after pills on the NHS:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_435000/435824.stm
# Morning-after pill over the counter:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_595000/595190.stm

: Are pre-  post-facto contraceptives evil, beneficial, neutral? Does your
belief system promote/prohibit contraception? Are there too many humans?

@ The http://tiac.net/users/smisch/home/gallery3.shtml Gallery of Psychi-
  atric Art gives you a revealing peek at more than a half-century of comp-
  letely legal marketing and advertising of psychoactive chemistry in
  America. And dose yourself up at: http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Drugs/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# 25 species of apes said endangered. WASHINGTON (AP) - Not one species of
  primates has been lost in the past century, but now 25 species of apes,
  monkeys, lemurs and other primates are imperiled and may soon disappear.
  The main causes of decline of the primates are the destruction of tropical
  habitat and attacks by local hunters as well as the animals' capture for
  the pet trade and export for biomedical research. The most endangered
  primates, according to the study, include the golden bamboo lemur in
  Madagascar, the yellow-tailed woolly monkey in the tropical Andes, the
  mountain gorilla in central Africa and the Tonkin snub-nosed monkey of
  Vietnam. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563185659-171

: Are you a primate? Are you endangered? Are there too many humans? Should
"open-season" be declared for humans? Should humans' habitats be disturbed?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Clone-Zone:

# Cloned animal park plan still embryonic. The idea of an endangered
  animal park in Nevada featuring a replica of Noah's Ark and scientists
  trying cloning and other clever techniques to help populate the zoo
  sounded fantastic and enticing to city officials in Mesquite. Good for
  tourism too: http://www.sacbee.com/news/news/local02_2110.html

: Would you visit a theme park filled with clones? Would your clone go too?

# Clone plan for extinct goat. (BBC) The last known survivor of a rare
  species of Spanish mountain goat has been found dead but cloning new
  animals is a real possibility. But where would we put all the clones?
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_598000/598799.stm

# Also: Old cells give new clones:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_593000/593121.stm
# Clone hope to save panda:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_577000/577210.stm
# Scientists clone a goat:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_329000/329107.stm

: With cloning, is extinction irrelevant? Should all extinct beasts be revi-
ved? How about extinct plants, fungi, diseases, aliens? Who deserves death?

# Could the woolly mammoth be cloned? Possibly. As decades  centuries pass,
  the science of cloning and the technologies that may flow from it will
  affect all aspects of human life - the things that people can do, the way
  we live and even, if we choose, the kinds of people we are. Those future
  technologies will offer our successors a degree of control over life's
  processes that will come to seem absolute. In the 21st century and beyond,
  human ambition will be bound only by the laws of physics, the rules of
  logic and our descendants' own sense of right and wrong. And profit/loss:
  www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/01/10/timfeafea01004.html?999

# Cloning in progress - How new life was created - The cloning process:
  www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/01/10/timfeafea02002.html?999
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ You've heard of math rock, but how about high energy physics rock? Les
  Horribles Cernettes http://musiclub.cern.ch/cernettes/ claim to be the
  one and only high energy rock band, loved by tens of thousands of high
  energy physicists worldwide. They can't be too bad; after all, they even
  have a http://asfys1.fi.uib.no/~alsaker/LHCFC/ fan club. But don't we
  all? More about music at: http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Music/

: Have you mixed science with art/music lately? Is the 

Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-11 Thread Dano

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William Shannon wrote:

 You've been sold a bill of goods...there IS no there
 there...Christianity is the longest running scam in history...
 and the Bible the greatest fraud ever sold.

Don't hold back William, tell us how you really feel!!

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #5

2000-01-11 Thread Ric Carter

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@ McBurgers Invading Japan: http://lava.net/~artbeat/early/hamburger.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# U.F.O. Boom Doesn't Worry Officials. BEIJING -- The last few months have
  been a boom time for U.F.O. enthusiasts in China. "Warning Wuhan! Warning
  Dalian! Warning Xian! Jiangsu! Beijing! Shanghai!" exulted the Jiangsu UFO
  Research Society's Web site. "Frequent U.F.O. visits have enveloped all of
  China." http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/asia/011100china-ufos.html

: Have you flown your UFO to China lately? Have you harvested many Chinese?
Are they succulent? Do you prefer to abduct/probe/implant Asians, Euros, me?

# Close encounters across the Great Wall - Chinese scientists seek funding
  to search for ET radio signals amid growing reports of UFO sightings. CSM:
  BEIJING. Long isolated by great walls of xenophobia, China is curiously
  entering the new century by trying to build bridges of communication with
  extraterrestrials: http://csmonitor.com/durable/2000/01/07/fp6s2-csm.shtml

# China Searches Space for Real and Unreal - Plan to explore universe:
  http://abcnews.go.com:80/sections/science/DailyNews/chinaspace000107.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# What You DON'T Know About Mars May Kill You. We can go to Mars, either by
  robot or manned mission, and return to Earth with a bunch of fascinating
  scientific goodies. It's easy with our evolving technology. It's realistic
  to think that robotic round trips will happen in the coming decade, but
  perhaps not so realistic to believe that manned missions will follow. Why
  not? After the robot missions return, with samples of the content of Mars,
  mankind may simply be dead -- or so horribly educated about the content of
  Mars as to be permanently deterred from ever going there again. We might
  return lethal microbes from Mars, which may conceivably do horrible or
  terminal damage to Earth's global ecosystem, or simply to its human inhab-
  itants. Bye-bye: http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-space/posts/uk/52332.asp

: Have you spread any diseases between planets lately? Did SETI fail because
all spacefaring races have been wiped out by interplanetary epidemics? Are
we doomed by disease if we leave Earth and overcrowding if we stay? Really?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Flu Threatens UK Hospital Waiting Lists. LONDON (Reuters) Britain could
  soon be facing its first official flu epidemic in more than a decade as
  the National Health Service struggles to cope with a chronic shortage of
  hospital beds. http://news.excite.com/news/r/000111/09/science-britain-flu

# Glaxo Urges British Government to Rethink on Flu Drug. LONDON (Reuters)
  Glaxo Wellcome Plc has asked the UK government to reconsider official
  advice that doctors should not prescribe its new influenza drug Relenza.
  Dose me up: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000111/11/science-britain-glaxo

# Influenza Now the Big Millennium Bug for World. LONDON (Reuters) For
  millions of people around the world, the worst millennium bug in the
  year 2000 has turned out to be influenza. Even worse than Windows:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/000111/06/science-health-influenza

: What's your favorite disease? Have you engineered any diseases lately? Do
you have a secret vaccine that you're saving for your Bilderberger masters?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Hastert calls for global world. CHICAGO (UPI) - Saying that the Republican
  Party has been unfairly called isolationist, House Speaker Dennis Hastert
  said the key to a "global world" is free trade, a strong military and sub-
  mission to Illuminati. http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=56876

: Has your conspiracy taken control of all political leaders in the world,
whether they're called 'liberal', 'conservative', 'moderate', whatever? Do
they all work to further your domination of the world economy? Do you reward
them well? How quickly do you eliminate those leaders who don't go along???

# Subliminal Messages on Dutch TV. The Illuminati, who own big TV stations
  around the world, are currently sending subliminal messages through the TV
  channels directly into our living rooms. That subliminal messages truly
  exist on TV is not a secret anymore. Most of us know it is commonly used
  in advertising and we know how it affects us - we buy more products. But
  what's not so very well known is how frequently it is used in all type of
  programs. So what's the purpose with this? Is it only to make us buy
  certain products or is there another, deeper purpose with it as well?
  

[CTRL] chemtrails - environmental spin

2000-01-11 Thread Dave

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from a budding young homeopath who I've just met online...
chemtrails - environmental spin

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


-Original Message-
From: Jenny Decker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 4:02 PM
To: Dave
Subject: Re: flu - genus epidemicus


As a new and green member of the list, I know that precipitating cause of an
illness is not relevant to its simillimum picture, but I heard something on
the radio a few nights ago re: this current "flu" expidemic that may be of
interest.
The fellow that was being interviewed was an environmental clean-up
scientist who has worked with projects in developing the kind of
bacteriophages that are used in oil spills, contaminant seepage and the
like.  He has traced the current manifestations of the "flu" and believes
himself that it is the result of deliberate atmospheric release of these
bacteria, in response to studies not publically announced suggesting that
jet fuel additives are leading directly to the widening holes in the ozone.
In an attempt to repair the ozone damage, he suggests, various govts from
the U.S. to Australia are using aircraft to vent the bacteria along major
flight corridors. He described a joint project he is now working on to
document this possibility.  It is at least curious that conventional public
health officials do not seem to be broadcasting urgent recommendations for
vaccination, as they ordinarily do at the beginning of likely epidemics.
However, what goes up also comes down, and the scientist said that his
project never solved the problem of the bacteria also coming down to earth
as an aerosol mist which is  inhaled by humans and animals with palpable
effects. He himself had been exposed more than once to these bacteria while
working with them, and the serious symptoms he developed led him to begin
this examination.
Just thought this was interesting.

Jenny Decker
-Original Message-
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:55 PM
Subject: FW: flu - genus epidemicus


someone sent me this-

I was very excited to see the "tennis elbow" and wrist pain symptoms.
(which
I noticed personally but did not really think of as a flu symptom.)

Are there any other reports of similar?


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


-Original Message-
To: Dave
Subject: Re: flu - genus epidemicus


This is the reason I got back on the list. I think this is a great idea. I
am sure this could be useful as this flu has some peculiar and very
individual characteristics.
The symptoms of this years flu seem to be more varied than usual in this
part of the country, Atlanta GA.
Patient- a massage therapist had the flu and one of the symptoms was with
the acute wrist pain, like glass broken in the joint. I also had the flu
and
briefly had the same symptom of the wrist and also tendonitis pain in the
tennis and golfer elbow area,
Infections on the skin, red inflamed, wounds on the hands x2 and two boil
like pimples
on the face next the the mouth (St.4 area for the acupuncturist) and a boil
like pimple on the chest red and itchy , all right sided. That happened at
the very end, I feel like I am over the whole thing now I hope, the end was
the only time I really felt like it was the flu.Total exhaustion, could not
get out of bed but was not sure that I was sick, l felt lazy and "good for
nothing"
because had no other strong symptoms then would force myself up and then
feel somewhat better. afternoon evening
Depression, hopelessness, overwhelm, frustration, unable to find a remedy
that fit
Chill would drive me to bed and then would sleep for 3 hours and then had
to
force myself to wake up.
Periodic, the symptoms would all get better and 24 or so hours later it was
all back.
Long prodromal period, felt not myself for weeks, vision slightly skewed,
head slightly dizzy, mind not clear
First incidence of chill was Nov..17 thought I was getting the flu, had to
travel and willed it away, moving around. Was able to put off being sick
numerous times over 6 weeks
Very Chronic feeling
Unusual symptom with both me and my wife, my left eye has been twitching
disturbingly, hard to look at something at times, never had this or the
pimple on the face symptom before. Wife's left eye twitching in the same
area,
lower lid, outer canthus feel like spasming to the point of having to hold
it.
No fever yet felt hot then cold
Clammy sticky feeling.
Lungs felt vulnerable desire to cover chest with hand.



-Original Message-
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: homeopathy mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, January 08, 2000 2:33 AM
Subject: flu - genus epidemicus


I'm hearing a LOT of the same symptoms (casually, not from homoeopaths)
from
across the U.S. (not to mention our friend in Serbia).

Perhaps everyone interested would contribute their 

[CTRL] Fwd: Perspectives on Africa and AIDS

2000-01-11 Thread Carl Amedio

In a message dated 1/11/00 5:20:12 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Subj: Perspectives on Africa and AIDS
 Date:  1/11/00 5:20:12 PM Central Standard Time
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Institute for Public Accuracy
 915 National Press Building, Washington, DC 20045
 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ___

 PM Tuesday, January 11, 2000

 PERSPECTIVES ON AFRICA AND AIDS

  Initiating what the Clinton administration calls "the month of
 Africa,"
 Vice President Al Gore spoke about AIDS in Africa at the UN Security Council
 on Monday. The following analysts are available for interviews on US policy
 toward Africa and on AIDS drugs:

 DEBORAH TOLLER, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.blackradicalcongress.org
 A policy analyst with the Institute for Public Accuracy, Toller is working on
 a book on myths and realities about the causes of poverty and hunger in
 Africa. She said: "As horrendous as the AIDS epidemic is in Africa, the
 neo-liberal economic policies of the IMF, World Bank and World Trade
 Organization are resulting in the deaths of far more people from entirely
 preventable and curable diseases like measles and malaria and from the
 continent's wars. It is no accident that the rise in death rates from wars
 and from diseases correlates with the rise in poverty on the continent,
 since these policies have been forced on African countries."

 CAROL THOMPSON, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.prairienet.org/acas
 Professor of political science at Northern Arizona University, Thompson
 specializes in international trade and food security in southern Africa. "In
 Seattle, the Africa group of the WTO had a resolution to demand the removal
 of patenting over life forms, but the Europeans and the U.S. refused to even
 put it on the agenda. The administration's Africa trade bill approaches
 trade in the standard neo-liberal way, which gives advantage to rich
 corporations. The African economies have been open for 300 years, with
 slavery and exploitation of mineral and agricultural commodities. The end
 result is the total marginalization of trade, capital and human resource
 development of the African continent."

 JAMES LOVE, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.cptech.org/ip/health
 Director of the Ralph Nader-founded Consumer Project on Technology, Love
 said: "After pressure from activists, there have been some welcomed changes
 in the administration policy on HIV/AIDS drugs to South Africa, however the
 government continues to put pressure on many poor countries to raise prices
 for pharmaceutical drugs." Love will be with a group, including ACT UP
 activists, meeting with top administration officials on these issues
Wednesday
 afternoon.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #6

2000-01-11 Thread Ric Carter
news/0001/11/world/world3.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Mother Appeals For Release Of Falungong Member Held In China. MELBOURNE
  (AFP) The mother of an Australian member of the Falungong sect detained in
  China appealed to Chinese authorities to release her daughter and 2 other
  Australians. "These children are not into anything fanatical. They are not
  stupid," Julianna Turcu said. http://insidechina.com/news.php3?id=123869
@ Falun Gong: http://www.usatoday.com:80/usatonline/2111/1832788s.htm

: If you're in China, and you're not stupid, do you admit to being in Falun
Gong? Are more intelligent behaviours possible? Is discretion a good idea?

# China bans 'Opium' - Official says Gucci perfume sends improper message
  to young people - see http://www.insidechina.com/news.php3?id=124106
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Apocalypse When?  So, predictions of Y2K global ruin didn't pan out. The
  good news for doomsayers is they have even more time to theorize about the
  real end of the world. (LATimes) Disappointed by the lack of hellfire and
  brimstone during the much- ballyhooed Y2K transition? Don't worry. There
  will be plenty of opportunities to fret in the months and years ahead:
  Floods, famine and fire--a Hieronymous Bosch painting come to life--are
  just a few ways in which mass death  planetary destruction are predicted
  to come about. http://www.latimes.com:80/living/2110/t02943.html

: Is Armageddon canceled, postponed, imminent, far-off, boring, inevitable?
Have you predicted global doom lately? Were you right, but only in an alter-
nate universe? Did doom occur, but we just didn't notice? Are we too stoned?

# Dozens killed in religious clashes - Xians, Muslims slaughtering merrily:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563201345-865
# Egypt to compensate Muslim-Christian violence victims - up to $880:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563197819-e80
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Re: [CTRL] delayed memory

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Hi !

Below please find info about "How People Forget: The Truth About Delayed
Memory" by Becky Bradway originally pub. in "Coalition Commentary," pub. by
the National Coalition Against Sexual Assault.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

Our listing these resources does not necessarily constitute our endorsement
of them. Resources mentioned in this resource list are mentioned for
educational value only. Using these resources may or may not help your
recovery process, so use caution when reading anything or contacting anyone
mentioned in this resource list.
This may be triggering for survivors.

excerpts from http://ncasa.org/memory.html

Quotes include: ...Herman, "Clinical experience shows that these (traumatic)
memories are formed in an altered state of consciousness induced by
terrorB. A. van der Kolk, "Dissociation is adaptive; it allows relatively
normal functioning for the duration of the traumatic event... there is
biological evidence in brain functioning that there may be amnesia for the
specifics of the trauma, but not for the associated feelings...victims with
repressed memories will experience depression, shame, fear, somatic
disorders... without being aware of the source of their emotional
turmoilIn a survey of 450 adults in treatment for child sexual abuse, 59%
had periods in which they could not remember the abuse. (Briere and Conte, in
press)"

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[CTRL] Revealed: Nazis' friends inside the British élite

2000-01-11 Thread William Shannon

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Revealed: Nazis' friends inside the British élite

Exclusive by Paul Lashmar


9 January 2000

A list of leading Nazi sympathisers in the British establishment at the
outbreak of the Second World War has at last been put on public view.

The infamous Red Book, which reveals the membership of the upper-class Right
Club, was written more than 60 years ago. It offers a chilling insight into
the virulence of the anti-Semitism which was rife among peers, MPs, knights
of the realm and other leading society figures at that time. Those listed
include the 5th Duke of Westminster, the second Baron Redesdale (the father
of the Mitford sisters) and the famous aviator Lord Sempill who was later
suspected of spying for the Japanese. Others named are The Earl of Galloway,
Lord Carnegie, Lord Ronald Graham and William Joyce, who later achieved
notoriety as Lord Haw-Haw, broadcasting propaganda from Germany .

The Right Club was set up by Captain Archibald Ramsay MP, an outspoken
anti-Semite, a few months before the war in May 1939 "to oppose and expose
the activities of Organised Jewry". In meetings chaired by the Duke of
Wellington it sought to influence government policy to stop war with Germany.

Ramsay drew up the secret membership list in his distinctive spiky
handwriting. There are 135 names on the men's list and 100 on the women's. In
the women's list is Anna Wolkoff, who was later accused of spying with
American cypher clerk Tyler Kent. Also listed is Majorie Amor, one of several
MI5 agents who had infiltrated the club.

Interleaved in the Red Book are a number of extraordinary documents relating
to Ramsay and the Right Club. These included a manuscript of his vicious
anti-semitic rhyme "Land of Dope and Jewry", hand-written by Ramsay on House
of Commons notepaper the day after war was declared. There is also a letter
from the man who was to become Lord Haw-Haw, apologising for being able to
afford only five shillings (25p) as his membership fee.

The book was seized by MI5 in a dawn raid in May 1940. Later that day, its
brass lock was forced in the presence of the American Ambassador. For many
years it was lost. It now rests in the Wiener Library in London where it can
be viewed with prior permission.

From-www.independent.co.uk

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[CTRL] cherie blair's underclass travel :)

2000-01-11 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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Cherie Blair - expectant mother of annakin hybrid Blair, wife of Ceasar,
was stopped and fined 10 pounds sterling by a railway inspector for
travelling on a train without a ticket and showing no intent to buy one.
Cherie was on her way to her new job of passing legal judgements on badly
behaving people.
The ticket inspector was sent home by his bosses and was expected to be
sacrificed in a reptoid blood ritual later this month :(

Andrew hennessey

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[CTRL] the conquest of the human soul

2000-01-11 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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THE CONQUEST OF THE HUMAN SOUL
by Andrew Hennessey
perhaps what the alien ruling elite don't want you to know.
[a development of an earlier theme]

I often think about the ECHELON initiatives, and intense surveillance of
the population - from mobile phones transmitting thought to some 'computer'
and the bar code stuff where people know about our shopping and library books.

The first way to deal with it is to try to rationalise it  well if they
know what books we are reading - and what foods we avoid - they can profile
our psychology better - seems reasonable - thoughtwaves and stuff - well
maybe they're just seeing if we are nice and truthful . etc etc

Then I realised that this stuff doesn't add up anyway  there has to be
a lot more reason for this than simply temporal control of the population
for the sake of high performance factories and output - because there are
more efficient ways to implement a regime of conformity.

There are two or three very important facts about reality that even the most
learned of us probably don't recognise ...

1. we were living somewhere else 100 years ago and came here by a process
of reality which we have since forgotten - and that we will all be living
elsewhere 100 years from now - happy and alive. [we are eternal and not
always human]

2. alien/ non-human beings run the show on this planet and operate a level
of reality/understanding of the cosmos which currently surpasses ours.

3. all of this knowledge is ridiculed and suppressed.

Now my understanding of it is that there is a LOT of processing power and
software beingpower involved with the monitoring of the population - a lot
of bother to find out what we put in our coffee.
What if they are after a certain kind of information that has nothing to do
with our temporal three dimensional life - what if there is an alien secret
police actively screening the population for infiltration by rebellious
souls from other species and civilisations which could pose a real threat
to the ongoing rape of this planet.
And that thought carrying mobile phones are not interested in what we had for
breakfast but the frequency signature of or some echo of our soul which does
not necessarily have to be human.

I put it to you that this intensive surveillance is to weed out the long
term activists - souls living in temporary human bodies/shells who will be
an eternal thorn in the side to the equally long lived alien rapists of
this planet for millenia to come.

Unfortunately billions of people believe in spiritual intercession by some
religion to make eternity possible - however, I put it to you that this is
a simple fact of life - completely uncomplicated by what we believe - a
fact of life that various reptiles and other rapacious beings have no
problem with
exploiting - and who have successfully placed the fear of death upon mankind.

Because of this their agenda is less apparent to us ... re-incarnation -
eternal troublemakers - fearless rebellion  they don't want that.

The other fact abductees must face is that although they are now
temporarily human - they could well have cousins and relatives still living
that are alien on some distant star system - what were we - who or what
will we be 
we are human now - we cannot claim that we always were and always will be.
The human body is such a short lived shell for our needs.
What we fail to understand is that the ETs don't have hang ups about the
physics of eternal life and the migration of the souls between shells - and
that it may also be that the partitioning of our memories we agree to when
we agree to be human is also part of some much larger project that any
human being is incapable of rationalising - or maybe we are - and couldn't
face the truth
of our pasts 
as long as we see ourselves as poor human victims clueless of our fate we
will always succumb to the notion that we are incapable of knowing anything.
I certainly would start asking questions of myself if I am part of some
experience - it may be that I am being picked on in an arbitrary way by
something evil - or it may be something that I planned for before I became
born human.

Most of the human race cannot face the reality of immortality and eternal
continuity - which is why we struggle for perspective to explain these
'dimensional experiences' about souls and consciouseness - in our blindness
we call them dreams, co-incidences - in our wisdom though they would be
reality, for reality is something that the human race is never expert on.
Thats why we fail to fully comprehend eternity and our other brothers and
sisters who voyage and evolve in it.

my own guesses on it are that there are a host of reasons for all this stuff:
greys - well I've seen the indigenous kind here too - its a bit of a
generic word alas.

Soulless we hear ... too much of ... the ones I met even have a sense of
humour
and compassion.
If there are species here 

[CTRL] The frightening world of government by executive order (fwd)

2000-01-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Capitol Hill Blue

The frightening world of government by executive order

Tuesday, January 11, 2000

BY JILL LABBE

In a story last week about the unexpected changes in Russia's
political structure, The New York Times used the word ``ukazes''
without any accompanying explanation. The Times' inflated opinion
of the educational level of its readers being what it is,
apparently no further explanation was warranted.

I readily confess my ignorance, plus that of many of my
colleagues, who are some of the most well-read people I know. A
quick trip to the dictionary revealed that a ukase (although the
Times spelled it with a ``z'') is an imperial proclamation or
order having the force of law.

It's the Russian equivalent of a U.S. presidential executive
order. And though you'd never know it by looking at the number of
orders issued by almost every American president since Abraham
Lincoln (Rutherford Hayes and James Garfield resisted the urge),
in this country it is a form of unconstitutional lawmaking that
usurps legislative power. Congress historically has been none too
bothered by this supplanting of its authority.

What kind of issues are so pressing that a president feels
compelled to make law via executive order - or, worse yet,
through classified presidential directives that even members of
Congress are denied access to - rather than go through the
constitutionally mandated process of Congressional approval?

Everything from controlling ``invasive species'' of plants and
animals to the declassification of POW/MIA records to directing
federal agencies to implement various U.N. human rights treaties
even though they haven't been ratified by Congress.

The current Democratic occupant of the White House has managed to
issue 311 of these hummers as of Dec. 21, but he is by no means
the prime abuser. Republican presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and
Reagan all topped Clinton's mark - but Bill has another year to
play, so the jury's still out.

Clinton's 311 are small fish compared to Harry Truman's 905, but
that pales when stacked up next to the winner and still champion,
Franklin D. Roosevelt, who issued a whopping 3,723 executive
orders.

Lincoln issued the first such presidential directive to be
classified as an executive order, according to attorneys William
Olson and Alan Woll, who authored a policy analysis last fall on
EOs for the Cato Institute. That order, issued on Oct. 20, 1862,
established federal courts in parts of Louisiana that were being
held by federal troops.

What started basically as interoffice memos between Lincoln and
his executive branch staff on how to run a government beset by
civil war while Congress was not in session have morphed into a
second legislative branch of government.

The trouble with executive orders is that not all of them rely on
clearly delineated constitutional or statutory authority.
Ambiguity being the best friend of power, presidents have used
the wide divergence of opinion about the scope, application and
legal authority of presidential directives to their advantage.

But some members of the 106th Congress have had enough of this
imperial presidency. Rep. Jack Metcalf of Washington has been
joined by 83 bipartisan co-sponsors, including nine Texas
congressmen, to introduce House Concurrent Resolution 30. The
legislation will take the teeth out of any executive order that
infringes on congressional powers and duties or requires the
expenditure of federal funds not specifically appropriated by
Congress for the purpose of the order. They would be little more
than presidential wish lists and have no force or effect unless
Congress enacted them as law.

What triggered this long-overdue interest? E.O. 13061: Federal
Support of Community Efforts along American Heritage Rivers. In
it, Clinton promised federal money to ``protect'' first 10, and
later 14, rivers nominated by local governments and environmental
groups under the American Heritage Rivers Initiative - itself
created by executive order.

No one is saying that protecting rivers isn't a good thing. But
issuing federal regulations for what should be local land use
policies and then promising federal funds that would have to be
``reappropriated'' from some place else - all without
congressional authority - was a move that troubled even members
of the president's own party.

Presidential adviser Paul Begala, no doubt totally unaware that
his words would send a shiver down the spines of Americans who
value the balance of power established in the Constitution, said
this at one of Clinton's executive order signing parties:
``Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool.''

Not kinda cool. Downright chilling.

(Jill ``J.R.'' Labbe is senior editorial writer and columnist for
the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.)

© 2000 Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Distribued by N.Y. Times News
Service


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[CTRL] 19

2000-01-11 Thread William Shannon

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Subject: The number nineteen
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Date: Fri, 07 January 2000 06:28 PM EST
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  The United States of America is an occult project known as New
Atlantis.  It has been organized by clandestine Luciferian Masons (CLuMs)
to help bring about the Empire of the Antichrist, a.k.a. the NWO, whose
capital will be in Jerusalem.

  One of the prominent activities of Luciferian Masons is the
performance of ritual human sacrifices, especially at the foundations of
buildings, or for the success of different occult projects.  The mainland of
the U.S., the contiguous 48 states, is roughly shaped as a rectangle, the
usual outline of a Masonic Lodge.  The presiding officer of a Lodge, its
Master, sits in the East, the eastern side of the rectangle.  In the same way,
the capital of New Atlantis, Washington, D.C., is located in the middle of
the East Coast.  The consecration of the capital of New Atlantis and its
four sides has taken place as follows.

  The sacrificial victims have been the eight U.S. Presidents who have
died in office.  Some of these ritual victims were clandestine Luciferian
Masons (CLuMs) themselves, but to be sacrificed to Lucifer is considered
a very great "honor" by these Satanists.  This practice re-enacts the myth of
the Phoenix and the myth of the Pelican, great favorite tales of the Masons.

  The timing of the sacrifices was according to the 19-year Metonic cycle
of the moon:

  The first President to die in office was William Henry Harrison in 1841,
during the Metonic cycle of 1824 to 1842.  Later deaths follow this
pattern:

  Cycle of 1843 to 1861:  Zachary Taylor in 1850.

  Cycle of 1862 to 1880:  Abraham Lincoln in 1865.

  Cycle of 1881 to 1899:  James Abram Garfield in 1881.

  Cycle of 1900 to 1918:  William McKinley in 1901.

  Cycle of 1919 to 1937:  Warren Gamaliel Harding in 1923.

  Cycle of 1938 to 1956:  Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1945.

  Cycle of 1957 to 1975:  John Fitzgerald Kennedy in 1963.

  Cycle of 1976 to 1994:  Ronald Wilson Reagan, who experienced
Luciferian Masonic death and resurrection on 3/30/1981, at the time of his
"attempted assassination" by John W. Hinckley, Jr.

  Reagan was the ninth sitting President of New Atlantis to be offered to
Lucifer.  The number nine symbolizes the length of a pregnancy (9
"months") and its completion brings about a New Beginning.  Therefore,
CLuM Brother Reagan did not die, but was "resurrected" as another Hiram
Abiff, or another Osiris.

  Presently we are in the Metonic cycle of 1995 to 2013.  CLuM Brother
Billy Blythe Jefferson Clinton was sacrificed (impeached) on December 19,
1998, on the New Moon of Hanukkah, just before the Winter Solstice.  His
Luciferian Masonic resurrection (acquittal) took place on 2/12/1999, the
birth of previous sacrificial victim Abraham Lincoln.

  The sacrifices follow a schedule in time and a schedule in place.  The
first four victims, Harrison, Taylor, Lincoln, and Garfield, were sacrificed
in Washington, D.C., to consecrate the capital, the Master's seat of New
Atlantis.

  The next four victims were sacrificed along the four sides of the
"Lodge" to secure the "foundations" of the Great Work:

  William McKinley was sacrificed in Buffalo, N.Y., to consecrate the
nothern side of New Atlantis.

  Warren Gamaliel Harding was sacrificed in San Francisco, CA, to
consecrate the western side.

  Franklin Delano Roosevelt was sacrificed in Warm Springs, GA, to
consecrate the eastern side.

  John Fitzgerald Kennedy was sacrificed in Dallas, TX, to consecrate
the southern side.

  After the "Master's seat", Washington, D.C., and the four sides had
been consecrated, the ritual returned to D.C. for the Luciferian Masonic
death and resurrection of CLuM Brother Ronald Wilson Reagan on
3/30/1981.  Again, Washington was the location of the Luciferian
Masonic Impeachment and Acquittal of CLuM Brother Billy Blythe
Jefferson Clinton.

  For more information on the secret nature of Luciferian Masonry and
satanic Zionism, please visit the Web site "Dark Millennium" at:

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[CTRL] Mossad Stole Assad's Urine!

2000-01-11 Thread William Shannon

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 www.sunday-times.co.uk
Mossad took urine sample from Assad
Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv

Mossad milestones
AS THE Israeli-Syrian peace negotiations ground on this weekend, details
emerged of extraordinary measures taken by Mossad, the Israeli secret
service, to gauge the health of the ailing President Hafez al-

Assad of Syria. Sources claim agents took a urine sample from the
unsuspecting president last year as he visited a secure lavatory during the
funeral of Jordan's King Hussein.

The mission was a product of well-established co-operation between Mossad and
the Jordanian secret service, both of which regard Syria with extreme
suspicion.

Despite this enmity - Syria attempted to invade Jordan in 1970 - Assad, who
rarely leaves his country, decided to fly the 150 miles south from Damascus
to pay his respects in Amman when Hussein died last February.

For the Jordanians and Mossad, it was a surprise and a golden opportunity. In
July 1998, Mossad was said to have used a Jewish doctor to spirit Assad's
medical files from a French hospital where he was undergoing urgent
treatment.

But its commanders knew that a urine sample could provide biochemical experts
with vital clues in building up a complete picture of the president's health.
This would allow both Israel and Jordan to guess how long he might live, and
to plan foreign policy accordingly.

A special lavatory was prepared for Assad's exclusive use, and when he asked
his bodyguards where it was, the president was led to a room containing what
sources believe was a urinal that led not into a drain, but into a specimen
jar.

Shortly afterwards he was on a plane back home while his urine travelled 100
miles west to the Tel Hashomer medical research hospital near Tel Aviv.

A medical file subsequently prepared for Ehud Barak, the Israeli prime
minister, by Mossad and other military intelligence analysts described the
71-year-old president's condition as worsening. It suggested that Assad was
so incapacitated that his working day could be no more than a few hours.

The report detailed how Assad had cancelled a trip to Russia last summer
because of sudden lapses in his health. He also missed the funeral of King
Hassan of Morocco. The Israelis have learnt nothing since to convince them
his condition can improve.

"Assad is hospitalised every couple of months to replace his blood," said Dr
Danny Shoham, the former head of a military intelligence section concerned
with Assad's health. "We know that he suffers from a non-terminal type of
cancer and diabetes, and that he's had a heart attack."

A urine sample would have confirmed the state of Assad's diabetes, and also
indicated any cancer in his urinary tract. More importantly, the Israeli
pathologists and biochemists who analysed the sample would have detected
traces of whatever drugs the president was taking for his litany of ailments.

The latest Israeli assessment is that Assad is living on borrowed time, and
that a potential partner for peace may be lost. His failure to attend the
current talks in Shepherdstown, West Virginia, where Syria is represented by
its foreign minister, has only encouraged the Israelis to strive for a deal.

"We should do everything to reach an agreement while Assad is alive," said a
Barak aide. "Nobody knows what will happen after Assad. There are some gloomy
assessments about a possible bloodbath in Syria. Assad is a man you can trust
to stand by his word."

The Shepherdstown talks resumed this weekend with delegates studying a
seven-page "working document" given to them by President Bill Clinton as a
possible route towards a land-for-peace treaty.

The talks had been briefly postponed for the Jewish sabbath and the end of
the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, but James Rubin, a State Department
spokesman, said it was still hoped that the first round of negotiations would
be concluded this week.

"We are moving down the track," he said, echoing the view expressed by
Clinton, who described the negotiations as "very hard stuff". Barak and
Farouk al-Sharaa, the Syrian foreign minister, are working on a proposal that
Israel should give up the Golan Heights in return for security guarantees.

However, Israel is concerned about the timetable for withdrawal of its forces
from Golan, and about the future of water resources that are vital for
agriculture in northern Israel.

Its long-term preoccupation over Syria is the maverick behaviour of Assad's
younger brother Rifaat, who, despite recent setbacks, is still said to relish
the prospect of seizing power. He first tried to engineer a coup in 1983 and
was thrown into exile in Marbella and Paris.

Last year Assad's son Bashar crushed his uncle's supporters in his power
base, the private port of Latakia, but the Israelis believe Rifaat will
reappear when the president dies.

How much Assad himself wants a deal is open to question. The last time he was
seen by any senior Israeli 

[CTRL] Ayn Rand's Objectivism

2000-01-11 Thread William Shannon

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Cults of Rationality
How Ayn Rand's Objectivism shows its influence today
BY JEFF DIEHL
[ 01.11.00 ]

 One group advocates philosophical hedonism, communal life, and free love.
Another struggles for scientific immortality. Another believes in a cosmic
mind called "Zon"; yet another wants freedom from the state so badly it's
trying to float a brand new country on the Caribbean Sea. Still others, the
"moderates" (Bill Maher and Howard Stern among them) call themselves the
Libertarian Party -- the second most popular opposition political party in
the U.S.

What all these groups have in common is that a strong core of their members,
both historically and today, were highly influenced by the Russian-American
pop novelist, Ayn Rand.

Although Rand is widely regarded as a second-rate writer of both literature
and philosophy, her books -- most noted among them 1943's The Fountainhead
and 1957's Atlas Shrugged -- continue to sell hundreds of thousands of copies
each year.

Rand died in 1982 of lung cancer (she had a philosophical commitment to
cigarettes), but her ideas live on thanks primarily to the Objectivist
movement started in New York City in the mid-'60s. It uses postage-paid
bind-in cards that are annoyingly placed in the middle of every one of Rand's
paperbacks to attract a steady stream of intellectual, socially-awkward
youths. Between the movement's genesis and today, a strange series of
schisms, offshoots, and bastardized mutations has produced a nifty list of
sub-subcultures with a wide range of agendas.

With the announced plans by Turner Network Television to adapt Atlas Shrugged
into a miniseries; a 1998 Oscar nomination for the authorized bio-pic Ayn
Rand: A Sense of Life, and Jeff Walker's recent book, The Ayn Rand Cult,
exposing the bizarre evolution of the writer's inner circle, Rand's legacy
beckons us like a sideshow barker to examine the aftermath of her totalistic
vision and the fans who consider her to be the greatest philosopher of all
time.

Touring the Sideshows

The Libertarian Party. A modern incarnation of classical liberalism, this
political party is further to the right than the Republicans, seeking the
outright separation of State and commerce, and further to the left than the
Democrats, advocating the legalization of all types of "victimless"
activities such as drug trafficking, gun ownership, gambling, and
prostitution. The Libertarian Party was a direct outgrowth of Rand's
philosophies, though, ironically, she ended up repudiating them, feeling they
were too pragmatic and unwilling to adopt her morality as the sole
justification for laissez-faire capitalism.

Extropians. Believing in the unending progress of technological Civilization
through Science, the Extropians are the driving force behind the cryonics
industry, which freezes people's bodies (or just their heads) for reanimation
in a future era, when experts will be able to revive them, fix their bodies,
and/or "upload" the contents of their brains into cyborg bodies. According to
Extropianism, in this future era, aging will be cured and people will live
"indefinitely." Listed among the seven "Extropian Principles" (Version 3.0)
-- a short list of moral virtues -- are "Rational Thinking" and "Perpetual
Progress," two perennial Randian themes. Both Atlas Shrugged and The
Fountainhead are listed on their Web site as essential reading for
Extropians. They are very strongly libertarian in their politics. Also, their
literature often advertises the work of self-esteem guru Nathaniel Branden,
who was Rand's lover and founder of the Objectivist movement.

Neo-Tech/Zonpower. This Scientology-like Internet cult is a true stowaway of
Objectivism. It even openly bills itself as a type of Objectivism, and
repeatedly praises the work of Ayn Rand and the wondrous "innovations" of her
philosophy; at the same time, Neo-Tech positions itself as an enemy of the
official Objectivist power structure, an alternative to the
"intellectualistic" deceptions of high-ranking Objectivists like Rand's heir,
Leonard Peikoff. Neo-Tech promises, through the utilization of its
"technology," to deliver limitless power, wealth, and love, by tapping into a
cosmic force known as "Zon." They believe, in much the same way as the
Extropians, that humanity is poised for an evolutionary "jump" into the form
of "God-Man," a state involving the gifts of immortality and infinite
happiness.

Epicureans. One of the newer offshoots of Objectivism, this group centers
around an openly hedonist ethic. Epicurus was an ancient Greek philosopher
whose views were uncannily similar to Rand's, the difference being that he
truly stressed the primacy of pleasure, whereas Rand tacked it on as an
afterthought (she was actually quite Victorian in her ethical views).
Epicureanism seems to have two strains -- a "subjectivist" and an
"objectivist" version. The former attracts lifestyle contrarians and
taboo-challengers, 

[CTRL] Fwd: FL800: Sanders Series Part I

2000-01-11 Thread Kris Millegan





  The major media has tried to frame private investigative
  journalists such as James Sanders and myself as having
  invented the story that the military was involved in the
  crash of TWA Flight 800. That sham is exposed by the fact
  that the first reports of a possible connection to the
  military came from the major media itself. As Chris Bury
  said only hours after the crash on Nightline (7/17/96):

"The U.S. Coast Guard tells Nightline that about
8:30 tonight, a New York State Air National Guard
C-130 was performing some kind of pyrotechnic exercise,
perhaps setting off flares, off the southern shore of
Long Island..." [The time of the crash was 8:31 PM.]

  Bury then reported that calls came in right away of "flares"
  being fired and he hypothesized a connection between witness
  accounts of flares and the activities of the C-130, saying:

"At about 8:30 tonight they got numerous calls both
from boaters and from people on Long Island of perhaps
flares going off from this C-130." [It turned out that
the flares eyewitnesses observed were shooting upwards,
such as revealed in an account given on Nightline that
night: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/forgot01.htm ]

  ABC anchor Chris Bury then committed perhaps the last act
  of investigative inquiry by the major media in the Flight
  800 case when he questioned: "Did the C-130 have anything
  to do with tonight's crash?" The official answer was "no,"
  and a few days later the stated location of the C-130,
  along with that of other military assets, was changed from
  having been close to the crash to having been further away
  and not involved in any kind of "pyrotechnic exercise."
  The Coast Guard's report on Nightline was then forgotten.

  At the FBI's final Flight 800 press conference (11/17/97)
  a reporter observed: "Within 24 hours of this disaster
  there were stories of military friendly fire circulating;
  they were not stories that happened later." Even as the
  major media knows that, they consistently frame friendly-
  fire theories as a hoax created later by individuals
  like James Sanders and myself. The major media have made
  no real effort to challenge the government; they have
  instead bent over backwards to defend the government
  and inflict catastrophic injury upon private individuals
  who display the rare courage to challenge the government.

  Perhaps the most injured individual has been James Sanders,
  who was financially wiped out while unsuccessfully defending
  his right to engage in time-honored investigative journalism
  after his inside source removed small pieces of evidence to
  (http://Flight800.org/res1.html) be subjected to independent
  testing. Sanders even gave CBS some of the material so that
  they too could test it, but they obediently returned it to
  the FBI without testing it or telling their viewers about
  it. The following is the first part of a series on James
  Sanders, who has paid a high price for speaking out:


== NEWSMAX.COM ===
==
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/1/11/32922
==

TWA 800: 'Obstruction of Justice Was Ongoing'

January 11, 2000

First in a NewsMax.com exclusive series of
installments based on James D. Sanders' book
"Altered Evidence," exposing the government's
tampering with evidence, cover-up and misleading
the public in the crash of TWA Flight 800.

It has it all: political villains, a lawless
"Justice" Department and government shills
masquerading as major media journalists.

Two hundred thirty-five years ago John Adams
warned that "Liberty cannot be preserved without
a general knowledge among the people, who have a
right . . . and a desire to know; but besides this,
they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable,
indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and
envied kind of knowledge, I mean of the characters
and conduct of their rulers."

The Clinton administration began its shameful
march through the 1990s by framing Billy Dale,
longtime head of the White House Travel Office.
The FBI enthusiastically joined in the mandated
witch hunt to use the awesome power entrusted by
"We The People" to the government in a shameless
effort to frame and destroy Dale.

Simultaneously, the Justice Department engaged in
a sordid affair now simply known as "Waco," and
the cover-up of the death of Vince Foster soon
followed.

Bimbo eruptions saw White House harassment,
intimidation and vilification of a multitude of
women.

Every step of the way, major media's first reaction
has been to help the Clinton administration destroy
the messenger. Reluctantly, grudgingly, major media
have occasionally engaged in timid, superficial
coverage of the 

[CTRL] FBI MUZZLING WITNESSES TO AID CLINTON AND BUSH FAMILY---THE BIG PURGE IN CHICAGO

2000-01-11 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/muzzle.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.skolnicksreport.com/muzzle.html"Sherman
Skolnick's Report/A
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FBI MUZZLING WITNESSES TO AID CLINTON AND BUSH FAMILY---THE BIG PURGE IN
CHICAGO

by Sherman H. Skolnick



America's secret political police, the FBI, are part of a big purge in
Chicago, to muzzle witnesses against Bill Clinton and the George Herbert
Walker Bush family.

As I have repeatedly pointed out, Bill Clinton has come repeatedly to Chicago
to meet with and speak to the top honchos and traders on the Chicago
Mercantile Exchange. Whatever speeches he has made to them, are generally not
reported in the monopoly press.

Here is some background. A huge river of Red Chinese and other clandestine
funds have been reportedly traveling into the Chicago markets, not only the
Chicago Mercantile Exchange, but the Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago
Board Options Exchange, and the Chicago Stock Exchange. These monies and
assets are disguised as currency trading, transactions in soybeans, corn,
wheat, S  P contract, and other such items. Over a period of years,
escalating during the Clinton Administration, Chicago has been the intake
point for "China White", high purity heroin from Southwest China. Junkies
prefer it since it can be smoked in a pipe and does not require a needle in
the arm.

The highly corrupt Drug Enforcement Administration has taken no remedial
action on the Red Chinese dope flooding in through the Windy City. Coming in,
for example, through small suburban airports encircling Chicago. Our public
access Cable TV Program has done stories about this since at least 1994. We
told how we met with a top official of the DEA and outlined these crimes. THE
DEA OFFICIALS ARE NOT INTERESTED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS, RATHER TO COVER IT UP,
to protect the Red Chinese and the Banks.

The Red Chinese clandestine funds are from several sources:

[1] From the proceeds of "China White" flooding the U.S. through Chicago. A
pal of the Bush family, Jim Thompson, while Governor of Illinois (1976 to
1990), reportedly arranged the financial and other mechanisms for these
shipments and funds. In the 1980s on, it was to benefit the elder Bush, Ollie
North, Bill Clinton, and their mutual cronies. The public is generally
unaware that Clinton from time to time visited the Bush mansion in
Kennebunkport, Maine.

[2] Red China has become a major supplier of human body parts for U.S.
hospitals, pieces bought and sold like from a car. They are installed in sick
folks with big bucks. The Chinese keep a quantity of political prisoners,
particularly those who are healthy. When an order for a heart, liver,
kidneys, etc., is received from a U.S. hospital, the Red Chinese condemn to
death such a prisoner. Sort of on a "when needed" basis. To protect the human
body parts, the prisoners are not shot but beheaded.

[3] The Rockefeller banks, such as what used to be called First National Bank
of Chicago, loaned billions of dollars to Red China on the empty promise of
repayment in gold from their western provinces. Reneging on payment in gold,
the Chinese instead were given immunity from U.S. criminal enforcement, to
make payment in "China White", missiles and nuclear weapons smuggling,
shipping AK-47 guns, and such to or through the U.S. complicity.

Major fund raiser, campaign and otherwise, for Bill Clinton and his gang, has
been Rahm Emanuel. He is an expert reportedly on dirty money through the
Chicago markets, particularly the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, called the
"Merc". In return, Clinton for five years had Rahm as White House Senior
Advisor. On a local TV Show in Chicago, Rahm was shown with his desk right
near the door to the Oval Office. He bragged he was the closest to the
President. Rahm Emanuel has dual citizenship, U.S. and Israel. He is
reputedly the acting deputy station chief for North America of Israeli
intelligence, the Mossad (The Institute).

Apparently two-faced, Rahm both set up Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky Affair
as well as repeatedly playing the role on network TV of Clinton loyalist.

You need to know lots of details from the past to understand what the FBI is
doing more currently. In events leadings up to 1989, a major soybean
processor, Archer-Daniels-Midland, vowed to put the armlock on the Chicago
markets to further their monopoly. The greedy young traders there generally
operate like the Wild West, with the supposed federal regulators willfully
blind and terribly corrupted. The purpose was to set up and they did, some 46
young traders. The "Merc" cowboys had a known practice of "front running",
getting their own deal in on a very minor basis ahead of their customers.
Most of the transaction disparities were as little as five dollars. On the
other hand, the FBI, the Chief Federal Prosecutor's office in Chicago,
jointly with ADM, 

[CTRL] ASSASSINATIONS OF THE 20th CENTURY--WHY?

2000-01-11 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/assassinations.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.skolnicksreport.com/assassinations.html"Sherm
an Skolnick's Report/A
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ASSASSINATIONS OF THE 20th CENTURY--WHY?

by Sherman H. Skolnick



The 20th Century came to a close and those who procured political murders
have not been heard from. Are there two sides to the story? If so, how far
into the 21st Century will it take until we hear THEIR side articulated? And
will the common people accept the explanations?
In the past, I have attended sizeable meetings of political assassination
researchers. At the beginning, many of those present greeted me
friendly-like, even shook hands with me. During the meetings I asked sticky
questions. So, my so-called "friends" and "acquaintances" hooted me down,
demanded that I be silenced by being thrown out of the covention hall. What
was it that so offended them?

I asked questions about the financial explanation of political rub-outs. I
wanted discussions of the economic forces FOR and AGAINST bloody deeds done.
I dared, from an historical and intellectual stand-point, to ask if those who
arranged political assassinations had any justification whatsoever? If so,
what was it?

Those in attendance, concerned about their book and lecture contracts,
suddenly looked upon me as an ENEMY. "Turn off your tape recorder, Sherman",
they shouted. I came with a small audio recorder in which I plugged a
"shotgun microphone", that could pick up discussions thirty feet away and
more. What scared them so, that they wanted to grab my wheelchair and roll me
forcefully out of the place? Was it my long-nose microphone which to tape I
obviously pointed at them like a gun? I did ask my questions to the speakers
in a polite voice.

At one meeting I asked Oliver Stone's chief researcher for his movie "JFK",
whether the Rothschilds, friends of the Kennedy family, financed the 42
million dollar production. It ran in the Rothschild movie chain, Loew's. She
glared at me. Later, when Oliver Stone himself showed up, she grabbed him by
the arm, saying, "Don't talk to HIM!" Perhaps indulging me, because of my
physical disability, Stone allowed me to point my mike at him as I asked a
few questions and then she pulled him away.

HERE ARE SOME ITEMS NEEDED TO BE DISCUSSED:
If there were a well-educated populace to talk to, well-grounded in finance
and history, and IF they would listen carefully, could those that were FOR
political murder make a thoughtful, persuasive case? Through their monopoly
press, the Establishment brain-washes us daily to their point of view. On all
kinds of subjects. Why could they not run documentaries setting forth THEIR
JUSTIFICATION for preserving themselves through political murders? Because WE
are too stupid to understand? Because it would endanger the "powers-that-be"?
What? Why? And they have to keep telling us each time, a "lone nut", a "lone
assassin" did it?

THE MURDER OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, 1963: He was interfering with the
Oil Cartel. He wanted to take away the IRS trick favoring them, the oil
depletion allowance. He wanted REAL MONEY, not toilet paper from the Federal
Reserve, a PRIVATE money ship masquerading as the U.S. Government central
bank. A handful of ruling families own the Fed and profit from their issuance
of Federal Reserve note "money" disguised as the "U.S. Dollar". Contrary to
the U.S.Constitution, the Federal Reserve charges interest on their paper
money issuance, benefitting certain ruling families.

Kennedy was the first Catholic President of the U.S. Although labeling
himself as only nominally a Catholic, he was perceived as being under the
thumb of the Vatican. He violated Church Canon Law, however, by going along
with the attack upon ANOTHER Catholic country, namely, Cuba. Some later
explained JFK was tricked into the aborted invasion at the Bay of Pigs. Did
his sin justify murder BY THE CHURCH?

The Military Brass perceived him as soft on the Soviets, as a
communist-sympathizer. Those who commit treason, so the logic goes, like JFK,
are to be shot, right? Others now claim Kennedy was interfering with the
future of the State of Israel, justifying them in snuffing him out. The book
"Final Judgment" by Michael Collins Piper lays out a purported circumstantial
case Israel was implicated in the murder of JFK. The book rejects, out of
hand, what others claim, however, that Nazi war criminals were involved.[As
documented by the late assassination researcher, Mae Brussell.] And the book
does not explain how the U.S. Secret Service, the FBI, and the CIA, being the
Protestant/Catholic Establishment,---how and why these espionage entities
could have covered up all this FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE JEWS.

JFK wanted to stop the war in South-East Asia, thus permitting, supposedly,
the Soviet expansion to the Philippines and even to 

[CTRL] [2] Welcome to Floodlight: Conspiracy Theories and …

2000-01-11 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.floodlight.org/main/faith.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.floodlight.org/main/faith.html"Statement of
Faith/A
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Statement of Faith
The following is a brief synopsis of my religious convictions. These
doctrinal statements are the core of the modern fundamentalist Christian
faith. In view of the fact that many in the fundamentalist church in America
teach that the New World Order conspiracy theory is fact, those who may
question my motives or convictions are encouraged to read the following.

The Trinity
I believe that there is but one eternal God; the father, the Son, and the
Holy Spirit are each God; each are distinct from one another and each of
these three Persons is God and each is an eternal, coexistent Person, and
that they are so united as to comprise one God.

The Virgin Birth
I believe that the unique feature of Christ’s birth was that His birth was a
virgin birth. His conception was not the result of human generation. While
the prenatal development of the Holy Child and His birth were natural
processes, His conception was unique and radically different from all others
in that it was wholly that of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit created of
Mary’s substance a complete human nature; body, soul, and spirit.

The Deity of Christ
I believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten eternal Son of God, the
second Person of the Holy Trinity. I believe that everything that can be
asserted about the Father can be asserted of Him.

Salvation by Grace
I believe that salvation is by divine grace through faith, and grace through
faith alone, not the result of human works. I believe that true salvation
will become manifest in the life of a true believer, and that those who do
not begin to outwardly show signs of inner repentance can be said to have not
received true salvational faith. I believe that you will know the believer by
his fruit. I believe that true salvation comes through repentance of sin and
the washing of the blood of Jesus Christ.
This statement is in stark contrast to the teaching of many whose essential
message is that Christ’s imminent return is reason to receive Christ by
faith. I believe that those who teach this as truth are teaching a false
version of the Gospel according to Jesus.

The Inerrancy of the Holy Scriptures
I believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, given through the
co-authorship of the Holy Spirit to the writers of the Holy Scriptures. I
believe that the Bible is inerrant in matters of Faith and living, and that
wherever its content intersects with that of scientific fact, it is equally
inerrant.

=
A conspiracy theory is a falsified version of history or current events that
redirects an audiences anger toward a scapegoated group. The theory seeks to
lay blame for a legitimate issue on a perceived common enemy.

As with any issue that a society deals with, there are legitimate concerns
that need to be addressed. Conspiracy theories, however, do not attempt to
address any legitimate concerns with realistic solutions. Their sole purpose
is to lay blame for the common problem. By only laying blame for the problem,
the issue becomes, in effect, a renewable source of fuel for the audience.
If, for example, the problem of crime is not effectively dealt with, a
conspiracy theorist will lay blame on the “liberal establishment” or, on the
other end of the political spectrum, the gun lobby. Neither liberals nor guns
really have anything to do with crime rates. 30 minutes at a local jail will
cure you quick of that foolishness. These are convenient scapegoats for
conspiracy theorists to lay blame. And without any solutions, the presenting
problem is never dealt with. Hence, the blame becomes the renewable fuel.

But blame shifting and scapegoating are part of the democratic process, messy
as it is. The issue that makes a conspiracy theory distinguishable is the
falsification of fact that leads the audience toward a conclusion that there
is a conspiracy out there that is deliberately attacking the group’s belief
system, wherever that system is located on the political spectrum.
I will deal with this issue in much more detail in an upcoming essay. I
expect to be finished in February or March, 2000.
=
I generally recommended the following resources:
Richard Abanes, American Militias: Rebellion, Racism and Religion
Intervarsity Press, 1996

Paul T. Coughlin, Secrets, Plots  Hidden Agendas: What You Don't Know About
Conspiracy Theories
Intervarsity Press, 1999

Richard Abanes, End-Time Visions: The Road to Armageddon?
Broadman  Holman Publishers, 1998

Gregory S. Camp, Selling Fear: Conspiracy Theories and End-Times Paranoia
Baker Books, 1997
=
from:
http://www.floodlight.org/theory/contents.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.floodlight.org/theory/contents.html"Conspirac
y Theory Index/A
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Conspiracy Theory Index
This index provides an in-depth point by point analysis of 

[CTRL] The Rise of the Modern Conspiracy Theory Movement

2000-01-11 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.floodlight.org/democracy/rise.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.floodlight.org/democracy/rise.html"Introducti
on: The Rise of the Modern Conspiracy…/A
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Yea-haw!
Om
K
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Introduction: The Rise of the Modern Conspiracy Theory Movement
There are four parallel developments that brought us to this point with the
modern conspiracy theory movement. As with any social movement in any given
time frame of history, you cannot separate one aspect of the movement without
seriously altering its historical context. If things were different, history
would have been different. Let's take a look at the following developments
that shaped our history as it applies to the current conspiracy theory
movement. They are:

*   the socio-political movements of the 1960s and 1970s
*   the development of the conspiracy theory movement itself
*   the modern prophecy movement within the Christian church
*   the technological development of the Internet

The social upheavals of the late twentieth century did much to alarm the
American right. In the 1960s the right was alarmed, and for good reason, at
the sudden and fundamental changes that took place in a short period of time.
Although the social movements of the sixties had their roots prior to the
assassination of President Kennedy, his death marked the beginning of the
changes that were to take place. It is of no small note that had the Kennedy
Administration continued, the war in Viet Nam as we know it may not have
happened, since President Kennedy planned to withdraw from Viet Nam. With the
premature inauguration of President Johnson, the war in Viet Nam would now
take center stage for the rest of the decade and beyond.

With the decision to send more troops to Viet Nam, the student uprisings
began. It was these uprisings, of course, and their contempt for authority
that was so alarming. Social norms were under assault, the Government was
under assault, and anyone over the age of thirty was the enemy of the
revolution and not to be trusted. Robert Bork would later summarize in his
classic text, Slouching Towards Gomorrah:

The revolt was against the entire American culture. The United States, it was
said, was engaged in an immoral war only because the United States itself was
deeply immoral, being racist, sexist, authoritarian, and imperialistic. The
arrangements of the liberal capitalist order were themselves illegitimate,
conferring power where none was deserved and withholding power from the poor
and minorities. The bourgeois class, which sustained and benefited from these
societal arrangements, was, therefore, oppressive. It followed that bourgeois
morality and standards of excellence were part of the apparatus that
supported the status quo and repressed the individual. Destruction was,
therefore, the only legitimate response. (p. 32- 33)

Welcome to the revolution. But it didn't just stop there. The body politic
would be radically altered again with the assassinations of Dr. Martin Luther
King and Robert F. Kennedy. Then, a few short years later, the resignation of
President Richard Nixon and the famous Supreme Court decision Roe v Wade.
Thereafter, the conservative movement was in full retreat. Morality was out.
Authority was out. Indeed the very foundations of the conservative movement
were in political disarray. By the mid 1970s, the conservative movement was
adrift, looking for signs of life where there was none to be found. The
political landscape had changed so dramatically in such a short period of
time that the conservative movement had no time to react. In the age of
instant political change, the conservative movement had run out of ideas. It
was now a distant relic, to be discarded at will to make way for the liberal
agenda now sweeping the national ethos. President Jimmy Carter was elected in
1976, largely as a reaction to the Watergate scandal. Four years later the
conservatives would be resurrected again with the nomination of Ronald Reagan
to the Republican ticket. Reagan was now seen as the political Moses who
would lead his people to the promised land. The political left, of course,
would have none of this. The most popular President in modern times soon
became the object of smear and ridicule. The attack dogs of a liberal press
were unleashed not because of the ideas of the Reagan Revolution, but because
Reagan was a conservative. And so, to the political conservative, even in
victory the conservative movement was denied its rightful place. Of course,
as soon as any group begins to feel politically disaffected, the atmosphere
is ripe for extremist reasoning to begin to take hold. This political
disaffection would not begin to be seen until the events of the early 1990s
unfolded.
The rise of the modern conspiracy theory movement came just in time to see
the political changes of the 1960s and 1970s. According to George Johnson,
author of Architects of Fear: Conspiracy 

[CTRL] The Real Titles of Nobility Amendment FAQ

2000-01-11 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.nyx.net/~jsilvers/nobility.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.nyx.net/~jsilvers/nobility.html"The Real
Titles of Nobility Amendment FAQ/A

The Real Titles of Nobility Amendment FAQ

Exposing extremist lies about the "Missing Thirteenth Amendment."
By Jol Silversmith
N.B., I have not revised this FAQ for some time, instead devoting my efforts
to writing a law review article that will explore the facts about the
"missing thrirteenth amendment" in greater detail, as well as more fully
expose the lies extremists tell about it. At some point in the future,
however, I do intend to integrate the additional information I have assembled
into this document...
v. 0.91 - 06/19/97
[Features/information intended to be included in v. 1.0 are in brackets.]

0) Table of Contents

1) What is this "Missing Thirteenth Amendment" I've heard about on the 'net?
2) Was there actually a Thirteenth Amendment that did not become part of the
Constitution?
3) Why was it proposed?
4) What became of the proposed amendment?
5) Why do a handful of extremists claim that it became part of the
Constitution?

a) Confusion about whether amendments had become part of the Constitution
b) Publication of an amendment as part of the Constitution by states is not
ratification
c) Ratification by Virginia would not have made the amendment part of the
Constitution

6) Would the amendment, as part of the Constitution, effect the eligibility
of lawyers to serve in government offices?

a) Domestic titles
b) Foreign titles

7) Who put forward this ludicrous theory?
8) Bibliography

1) What is this "Missing Thirteenth Amendment" I've heard about on the 'net?

Nothing you should be concerned about. It's one of the most ludicrous ideas
extremists have ever put forward, probably hoping that no one would actually
research the subject and expose their lies. But to understand what follows,
you should probably take a look for yourself at David Dodge's essay The
Missing Thirteenth Amendment. Another source for this document is via the
so-called Rule of Law Committee. Other sites may be out there; check via a
search engine such as Yahoo.
[Add Yahoo form search.]

2) Was there actually a Thirteenth Amendment that did not become part of the
Constitution?

Yes. In January 1810, Republican (the ancestors of the modern Democrats)
Senator Philip Reed introduced an amendment that, after twice being
considered by a committee, was approved by the Senate by a vote of 19 to 5 on
April 26, 1810. The House then on May 1, 1810 approved the amendment by a
vote of 87 to 3. (See Conklin at 123) As approved, the text was as follows:

If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain
any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress
accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind
whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall
cease to be a citizen of the United States and shall be incapable of holding
any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.

3) Why was it proposed?

No debates about the proposal survive, so it is a matter of some dispute. The
conventions that approved the Constitution in Massachusetts, New Hampshire,
New York, and Rhode Island had advocated strengthening the Constitutional
requirement that any person holding office under the United States government
obtain the consent of Congress before accepting any present or title from a
foreign power. The First Congress considered similar proposals during the
discussion of the amendments that would become the Bill of Rights, but did
not submit any of them to the states. (See Ames at 186)
One theory is that the amendment was a reaction to the involvement of
Napoleon's nephew, Jerome Bonaparte, in American public life a few years
earlier. Nathaniel Macon (a Republican from North Carolina) noted that "he
considered the vote on this question as deciding whether or not we were to
have members of the Legion of Honor in this country." The Federalists thus
may have introduced the proposal in an attempt to embarrass francophile
Republicans, or alternatively supported the proposal in order to avoid
embarrassment about their own associations with the British aristocracy. (See
Ames at 187, Earle at 37) Another theory is that the amendment reflected the g
eneral animosity to foreigners evident before the War of 1812. (See Ames at
188, Conklin at 124)
There is not a shread of evidence to support the extremist theory that the
amendment was part of an international banking/legal conspiracy, as claimed
by extremists.

4) What became of the proposed amendment?

Twelve states ratified the amendment, not enough to make it part of the
Constitution under Article V of the Constitution, which requires ratification
of "the legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by
conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of

[CTRL] Fwd: Steamshovel Press. All Conspiracy. No Theory.

2000-01-11 Thread Kris Millegan







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Steamshovel Press.

   Please feel free to take a look, then forward this to all your friends, neighbors
and your own email list.

   Steamshovel Press.
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   Let us know what you think. We'd love to hear from you.

   All the best,
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Re: [CTRL] The Real Titles of Nobility Amendment FAQ

2000-01-11 Thread True Patriot

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It is important to note too that Alabama has had since 1901 Constitution the
following:

SECTION 29

Titles of nobility, hereditary distinction, etc.; restriction on
appointments to office.

That no title of nobility or hereditary distinction, privilege, honor, or
emolument shall ever be granted or conferred in this state; and that no
office shall be created, the appointment to which shall be for a longer time
than during good behavior.

And I'd like to point out that lawyers use Esquire in Alabama since 1901.
Squire and Esquire were NEVER a title of NOBILITY. Hell, they were below
KNIGHTS.

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[CTRL] Toobin's book fails to reveal his conflict of interest (fwd)

2000-01-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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http://judicialwatch.org/media/preleases/2000/011100.htm

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 11, 2000

Contact: Joe Giganti
(202) 646-5172

TOOBIN'S BOOK FAILS TO REVEAL HIS CONFLICT OF INTEREST

AUTHOR FAILS TO RECOGNIZE CORRUPTION OTHER THAN LEWINSKY SCANDAL
IN CLINTON ADMINISTRATION

(Washington, D.C.) Jeffrey Toobin's new book, A Vast Conspiracy,
is fatally flawed. First, the author fails to reveal that he
works for The New Yorker, the magazine which itself is part of
the Clinton scandals - having participated in the illegal release
of Privacy Act protected information from Linda Tripp's Pentagon
file. In addition, The New Yorker has been sued by Judicial Watch
client, Dolly Kyle Browning, for allegedly participating in a
scheme to smear her [book] as well. Documents recently released
in Judicial Watch's other lawsuits show that Sidney Blumenthal,
Clinton White House "smearmeister," and The New Yorker
communicated frequently during the Clinton scandals. Accordingly,
Toobin has failed to reveal his significant conflict of interest.

This conflict of interest manifests itself as early as page 7 of
his book, wherein he states:

The Clinton years abounded in purported scandals that offered
much in the way of colorful names - Whitewater, Filegate,
Travelgate, to name only the best known - but little in the way
of actual criminal offenses. The futility of the endless searches
for criminals in the White House only spurred the zeal of the
pursuers. Once again, the prosecutors were political heroes -
this time for the other side.

"Toobin's so-called analysis shows not only his ideological bias
but also his naivete, since selling high technology to the
Chinese in exchange for campaign contributions, and the wholesale
violation of privacy rights - of which his magazine is a part -
is hardly something to blithely dismiss," stated Judicial Watch
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[CTRL] Did Clinton kill KFK Jr? (fwd)

2000-01-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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From:

http://www.spotlight.org/01_02_00/Crash/crash.html

More To the JFK Jr. Crash?

Many readers were taken aback when The SPOTLIGHT, alone among the
media, dared to suggest in a special report published on Aug. 16,
1999, that the airplane accident which took the life of John F.
Kennedy Jr. might not have been an accident and that there was
much more to the story than the mainstream media had reported.

Independent populist journalist Pat Shannan has been looking into
the death of JFK Jr. His findings confirm not only what The
SPOTLIGHT already reported, but add shocking new data.

Shannan was the guest on the Nov. 28 broadcast of The SPOTLIGHT's
weekly call-in talk forum, Radio Free America, with host Tom
Valentine.

What follows is an edited broadcast of the interview,
supplemented with additional data that has come to the attention
of The SPOTLIGHT since Shannan's appearance on RFA. Valentine's
questions appear in boldface. Shannan's responses appear in
regular text.

Many people, myself included, assumed that John F. Kennedy Jr.'s
death was only an accident and really found it hard to believe
that he might have been murdered. You've been investigating the
matter further, though, and you've come up with some interesting
information.

I was out of the country on July 16, the Friday night JFK Jr.'s
plane went down. I was in Australia, so I had only the benefit of
CNN and other nonsense news that we get. The first thing I did
was to send e-mails back here to the states to ask people if
there was any reason for us to believe that this was anything
other than an accident. At that time no one had any indication
that it was.

However, by the time I got home in August, there were all sorts
of questions flying, the major ones being that Ken nedy had
indeed radioed that night (he was 13 miles out) and we know that
he did because it was reported. We even have the videotapes of
the local Boston television station talking about it on the
morning of Saturday, July 17. The UPI reports mentioned it in the
Saturday papers and a local Boston radio station reported this
story.

These reports said that John Jr. talked to the Martha's Vineyard
Tower at 9:39 p.m. He was casual. There was no "mayday"
whatsoever. He said that he was 13 miles out, which put him 10
miles over the water (since the airport is three miles into the
island). He actually had the airport in sight. He was going to
drop off a passenger (as we know now, his sister-in-law, Lauren
Bessette) and he was going to hang around the airport for a short
while before taking off for the short jaunt over to Hyannisport
around 11:00 o'clock. Those were his plans at 9:39 p.m. One
minute later his plane was plummeting off the radar scope.

Yes, The SPOTLIGHT reported this. The SPOTLIGHT has since
learned, based on research by John Quinn, the Internet
"Newshawk," that Kennedy did not contact the Martha's Vineyard
Airport, but that he actually was in radio contact with the
Federal Aviation Adminis tration installation at Otis Air Force
Base on Cape Cod. This was before Kennedy would have contacted
the airport for final landing clearance.

The initial confusion in the early media reports (that Kennedy
had contacted the airport rather than the FAA installation) is
what helped muddy the waters and make it possible for the
mainstream media to later claim (factually) that young Kennedy
had never been in touch with the Martha's Vineyard airport.

We also have another news piece that was suppressed and thus
makes it so suspicious. As I have said time and again, if you
suspect there is a news media "spin" coming across after the
fact, you need to look at the first half-day's original news
reports in the mainstream press. It takes about a half day for
the reporters in the street to stop digging on their own and
start taking the "holy message" that comes from above. After
that, they strictly follow the wire stories and what comes from
the "great one" above.

For example, take a look at what Victor Pribanic told the press
right after the plane went down. Pribanic is an attorney from
western Pennsylvania who owns a fishing cottage at Martha's
Vineyard. He was there that weekend and was fishing late. He
heard an explosion and he termed it to be South and West of his
position, toward what they call No Man's Land island.

The SPOTLIGHT's special report on the JFK Jr. tragedy referenced
Pribanic's early report (published in a local paper) that
otherwise never received any national press notice at the time.

If indeed a plane blew up there (where Pribanic heard the blast)
and went down in that location, then you would have luggage, such
as Lauren's overnight bag, and a wheel from the landing gear and
some papers from the plane, wash up on the beach exactly where
they did. But the following Wednesday when the plane was pulled
up from the waterand they claim the plane was pulled up seven
miles north of that locationit would 

[CTRL] NEW (REPTILIAN) WORLD ORDER by Uri Dowbenko

2000-01-11 Thread Nicky Molloy

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been, however, that they are just metaphor or simple allegory -- and not a
literal description of actual beings.

But what about the admonition of Jesus and John the Baptist when they chided
the "generation of vipers" and "serpents" in their midst?

What if they saw these creatures with their spiritual vision -- the
overshadowing of humans by astral beings from another dimension?

How would they communicate this vision to others?

And what about the stories from the Book of Enoch and the Forbidden Books of
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Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?

2000-01-11 Thread lloyd

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There is a website that has been up and running for a number of years
whose material supports this article. It's at http://www.tetrahedron.org

Look at the ftp files for a number of articles on AIDS and other
problems, gulf war syndrome, contaminated vaccines, etc. The book
Emergins Viruses, AIDS and Ebola is also sold at this site and contains
much documentation that supports the virus being manmade. It includes
copies of the DOD appropriations request and contracts with Litton
Bionetics for the manufacture of the virus.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: More Suspicious Deaths Linked to OKC]

2000-01-11 Thread lloyd

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More Suspicious Deaths Linked to OKC
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http://syninfo.com/ian/PRIVATE/2000/01/10/211021272963.html
Here is another report of suspicious deaths. These are not as well known
as the ones on the  famous list called the Clinton Body Count that
circulates around the internet.  Many people have trouble believing that
there could be any truth to such reports because the media is silent on
them.

Although I can't say that I know anything more about these deaths, I do
know about the death of Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown. Four members of
the medical team that examined his body after the plane crash in Croatia
reported that there was a hole in Brown's skull that looked exactly like
a bullet hole. I spoke at length with one of the witnesses that saw the
hole, the forensic photographer on the medical team, who had photos of
it.

[COMMENT - VC:  It was later surmised that the hole matched that of a
.45 caliber bullet, but there were NO traces of gunpowder or a bullet.
What WAS interesting is the depth and diameter of the hole which was
matched with that of a device that is used at cattle slaughterhouses.  A
spring loaded device is used there to blunt-impale the brain and cause
immediate death by placing the device against the skull and pulling the
spring loaded trigger... and there is no noise when this happens.]

Although the media serving the black community publicized the Ron Brown
matter extensively and talk radio discussed it widely, the main stream
media was totally silent. As a result the vast majority of Americans do
not know about the hole in the skull.

If the media can black out a story that suggests that a Cabinet Member
was murdered, then they are capable of not reporting many of the these
other suspicious deaths at all or giving the reports such light coverage
that most don't sense the importance of them.

How much longer are we going to tolerate the police state that we are
living in?

Don
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  "OKC Murders"

Unresolved Deaths in Oklahoma
by Michael A. O'Camb, July 22, 1998
Distributed by Groom Watch, Norio Hayakawa

In the first minutes and hours following the blasts that devastated the
Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, the morning
of April 19, 1995, a number of selfless individuals risked life and limb
to rescue many of the victims. Among them were Oklahoma City police
officers, Terrance Yeakey, Gordon Martin and Ken Griffin, a number of
Oklahoma City firefighters, Dr. H. Don Chumley, G.S.A. employee Mike
Loudenslager and
others.

In the aftermath of the "bombing" the name Mike Loudenslager holds
particular significance in the hearts of many families in and around
Oklahoma City. And this is so, because of the forewarning he gave to a
number of those who had children in the Murrah Building's day-care
center. In the weeks preceding the bombing, G.S.A. employee, Michael
Loudenslager, 48, became increasingly aware that large amounts of
ordnance and explosives were in the building and strongly urged (along
with the operator of the day-care center) a number of parents to take
their children out of the Murrah Building.

This situation arose after other employees became concerned with an
increased amount of ordnance (missiles) being brought into the building
by the B.A.T.F. and D.E.A. As a result of this concern, a grievance was
filed with G.S.A. by the building's security director. The result was,
the man who'd complained lost his job there. Then, after the operator of
the day-care center (the security director's wife) notified the fire
marshals after some remodeling had been done (as her license required
her to do), the fire marshals were denied access to do their inspection
by federal agents and told to leave! And the day-care operator lost her
contract.

As a result of this (fearing the worst with all the talk around town of
a possible bombing), Mike Loudenslager and the day-care center operator
then told many of the parents to get their children out. And, because of
their warnings, far fewer children were in the day-care center on that
horrible Wednesday morning than there otherwise would have been. A
number of families, in and around Oklahoma City, have these two people
to thank for their children's lives today.

Shortly after the bombing, Michael Loudenslager was actively helping in
the rescue and recovery effort. A large number of those at the 

Re: [CTRL] Vote Fraud

2000-01-11 Thread Jim Condit Jr

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I assume this is going only to Bill Richer as I pressed reply rather than
"reply to all" -- Thanks Bill for spreading Linda Muller's email about the
upcoming battle over fair elections and computerized votefraud in the 2000
elections. We just started a new "announcement only" list at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] about this subject -- I believe you can get aboard
if you wish by sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]--
Best Wishes. Jim Condit Jr.
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 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 11:25 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] Vote Fraud


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 WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

 Dear Brigade,

 "The overriding importance of this issue [vote fraud] is contained in that
 gem
 of unintended wisdom from Communist tyrant Josef Stalin: 'Those who cast
 the votes decide nothing; those who COUNT the votes decide
 everything'"

 Please read the info below on Vote Fraud from our good friend Jim Condit.
 His website is: http://www.networkamerica.org

 Brigade, it's not too early to start organizing and setting up a
 battle plan
 against vote fraud.  Please contact Jim Condit [EMAIL PROTECTED] His
 organization - Citizens for a Fair Vote Count -  will be leading
 this effort.

 For the Cause, Linda

 

 From:   "Jim Condit Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:Request of Help for Website on VoteFraud
 Date sent:  Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:04:37 -0500

 Dear Linda,

 Could you please forward this letter to the Buchanan Brigades
 nationwide to
 alert them to the votefraud battle that we must fight in order to
 insure that
 Pat
 Buchanan has a fair shot at becoming our next President. Our website at
 http://www.networkamerica.org has been updated recently regarding the
 upcoming Iowa Caucuses.

 I personally believe that Pat WILL be the next President IF we
 can get a fair
 count, and IF he can get into the national debates in spite of the totally
 bogus Presidential Debate Commission. By the way, if you're noticing the
 arrogant imperial attitude of the Dems and Repubs on that Debate
 Commission, you have a hint of the arrogance encountered at Voter News
 Service and the others entities which have now maneuvered American
 citizens into a corner where it is effectively illegal for
 citizens outside
 of New
 Hampshire to count or double check the computer-generated vote on election
 night.

 For those who might not be familiar with this all-important issue, the
 opening
 essay on the Network America home page sets the stage.  The whole story
 on the Dubuque vote fraud issue as well as a lot of information about the
 strange GOP Primaries of 1996 can be found by clicking "archives" at the
 bottom of the home page.  Also see the  "votefraud archives" and
 the second
 item on that page which is:

 "1996 GOP PRIMARIES, RIGGED IOWA CAUCUSES, AND ARIZONA
 PRIMARY -- Newspaper put out by Citizens For a Fair Vote Count about the
 1996 GOP Presidential Primaries." Also, the fourth item on that page is "A
 HOUSE WITHOUT DOORS: (FROM THE PRESTIGIOUS CHRONICLES
 MAGAZINE) -- Explanation of Proven Votefraud against Pat Buchanan and
 the people of Dubuque, Iowa perpetrated by Voter News Service -- an arm of
 the 4 Big TV networks."

 In closing, thank you for doing as much as anyone in the whole country to
 get out the word on the votefraud issue and the need to restore honest
 elections — with citizen checks and balances — once again in our nation,
 just like in the days of the Founding Fathers, right up to the dawn of the
 computer age circa 1970.

 Your list members should know that you immediately grasped this issue
 once it surfaced in 1996, and volunteered your time to set up our
 website —
 the first in the nation dedicated to restoring honest elections
 and exposing
 the dangers of computerized votefraud.

 Your list members should also know that a few months after you set up our
 networkamerica website (at that time networkusa, which is now the
 fingerprint website), Popular Science magazine noticed and stated on Page
 74 in its November, 1996 issue that our website includes "a fascinating
 argument that Pat Buchanan beat Bob Dole in the Republican primaries only
 when paper ballots were manually counted. You decide."

 I hope that after the Buchanan Brigades read the website, they will e-mail
 their "favorite" news outlets and tell them that we know the elections are
 riggable for central locations, and we demand a return to citizen
 checks and
 balances at the LOCAL precinct.

 The overriding importance of this issue is contained in that gem of
 unintended wisdom from Communist tyrant Josef Stalin: "Those who cast the
 votes decide 

[CTRL] FW: AIDS Cure Invented By Oklahoma General Practitioner + AIDS TREATMENT FOR THEWORLD HAS BEEN SUPPRESSED FOR OVER TWO YEARS + FDA Attacks The Internet +Shoot yourself in the Foot !!!

2000-01-11 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


Over 200,000 people a year die from "adverse reactions" from drugs, and
another 80,000 die from medical malpractice, whereas 41,000 die in auto
accidents, according to the pharmacy industry magazine, Drug Topics,
October 23, 1995, pg. 14-16! That's one death every two minutes!

Last year, the pharmaceutical industry did $182 billion in drug sales world
wide. In contrast to that figure, it cost approximately $183 billion to
treat adverse reactions from all of those drugs.
The following admissions were taken from JAMA (Journal of the American
Medical Association):

The top five causes of death in the United States, in order, are:

1)  Tobacco
2)  Alcohol
3)  Medical malpractice
4)  Traffic accidents
5)  Firearms

According to JAMA, doctors kill more people than auto accidents and guns
put together. The number of people that doctors kill per day from
allopathic medical malpractice is roughly equal to the amount  of people
that would die if every day, three jumbo jets crashed and killed everybody
on board.

Just  imagine what headlines would result if a chiropractor or a naturopath
accidentally killed just one patient?

hm..

More from NBC: http://www.msnbc.com/news/340525.asp?cp1=1#BODY



AIDS Cure Invented By Oklahoma General Practitioner
By Forres McGraw
http://www3.50megs.com/medical/aids/aidscure.html

MIRACLE GIRL OR MIRACULOUS CURE?

Seven year old Precious Thomas, by most standards, is like any other bright,
happy seven year old. Precious' most incredible attribute is that she used
to have AIDS. No, that is not a typo. During March, 1998, Precious was
included in studies and clinical trials at the National Institutes for
Health, one of the leading research centers for AIDS. On March 23, 1998 in a
viral-load test administered by NIH, Precious' viral-load was 186,119. It
went to ZERO. What NIH did not know at the time was Precious had stopped
taking the drugs it prescribed her under its protocol. What has the NIH
discovered since, that it hasn't disclosed?

Precious' mother, Rocky Thomas will admit, though her daughter is an
exceptional child, she has not performed any miracles. The "miraculous cure"
comes from the brilliance and perseverance of Dr. Gary R. Davis, M.D. of
Tulsa, Oklahoma. Dr. Davis developed his treatment three years ago. Two
years ago, Dr. Davis applied for FDA approval to administer a clinical trial
using his treatment. The application for clinical trial was approved
initially, only to be revoked hours prior to its beginning.

While comforting her daughter, who was in the hospital and not being helped
by the protocol being administered by NIH, Rocky recalled a news story she
had seen about Dr. Davis, a General Practitioner who has created a goat
serum based treatment he is forbidden by law to administer. Like any mother,
Rocky vowed to do anything to ease her child,s suffering. Rocky took
Precious to Tulsa to see Dr. Davis. However, the FDA had not and has not to
date approved Dr. Davis' treatment. As much as he would have loved to help
her, he was barred from doing so. Though he could not treat her, he spent
much of his afternoon with Rocky and Precious. Sharing his knowledge of the
disease and answering questions regarding his treatment proposed to the FDA
in his application for approval of clinical trial. In the end there was
still nothing he could do for Precious.

Fortunately for Precious, the mother was willing to do anything for her
child, and did just that. Rocky now admits, she stole a vial of Dr. Davis'
serum that day from his office, and administered it to Precious. In five
doses, consisting of less than 2cc's each, over a forty-four day period
beginning March 26, 1998, Rocky administered the stolen serum to her
daughter recalling all she could about her conversation with Dr. Davis.

Precious is still being monitored by her doctors at NIH, Dr. Predita Taylor
and Dr. Anthony Falchia. In fact NIH has run viral load tests on her twelve
times since March 23, 1998. The last six tests have shown undetectable
levels of the virus in Precious. Surprisingly, or not, depending upon your
view, these doctors, charged with the care of many AIDS infected patients
and knowing now that Precious has been cured, have yet to call Dr. Davis to
find out more about his treatment.

The reality is the National Institute of Health felt vilified by the
usurpation of their protocol by Mrs. Thomas. Prior to learning the girl was
treated with Dr. Davis' serum, Dr. Perdita Taylor had just taken credit for
the cure of Precious Thomas. When told the truth she shriveled into a "no
comment" posture.

The FDA, instead of offering to help expedite Dr. Davis, application, has
continually stalled the process. As many questions as this may raise, one
demands our immediate attention. Why is the brilliant work of an African
American General Practitioner being suppressed? This 

[CTRL] Spotlight Top Stories

2000-01-11 Thread Nicky Molloy

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http://www.spotlight.org/


http://www.spotlight.org/Newsbureau/newsbureau.html
TOP STORIES


 1999 A Good Year for Populism


 Training For an Ethnic Crisis


 The SPOTLIGHT Vs. Media


 Judge Accused of Violations


 Puerto Rican Vote And Clinton


 Globalists Shed Tears


 George Bush and His Son


 McCain's Words Ring Hollow


 Cronkite Supports Globalism


 Billionaire Dies Mysteriously


 WTO Plan Attacks Sovereignty


 Free Trade Not Free


 Foreign Operative Identified


 Attack on Russian Sovereignty?


 Israel's Famous Prisoner


 Wall Street Scandal


 The Influence of the ADL


 George Bush and Son


 McCain's Words Ring Hollow


 Media Forced to Examine WTO


 Israel Admits Covert Defense Sales To China


 Columnist Fired Over Scandal


 The Oklahoma City Bombing
A Special Report


 Background and Introduction


 Government Cover-up in the OKC?


 The ADL is up to its old tricks...


 Disasters Aid Legislation


 Families of the bombing victims sue


 A conspiracy of silence


 Bombing witnesses are dying fast


 Did Fed's Know About OKC bomb?


 Not A "Fertilizer Bomb", Says  Expert


 McCain's Ties With Vietnam


 Robert Rubin: Public Servant?


 Constitution Under Attack


 Bilderberg Concerned About Opposition


 Gun Control In Australia


 Bilderberg Fact-Finding


 U.S. Rangers Find  Evidence Of Explosive Use At Waco


 Bank Scam Branches Across Atlantic


 Taxes Paying For Bilderberg Meeting?


 UN Owes Taxpayers Billions


 Foreign Operatives at Waco?


 Death of Military Men Present At Waco "Accidental"


 Military Responsible for Waco


 Blood Money Financing Bush Bid?


 Stop Aid to Israel


 Environmental Mystery Solved: U.S. Did It


 Senator Gives His Political Life for Country


 Leeches Plot To Destroy Liberty Lobby


 Public Mural of Robert E. Lee Removed


 Home Schooling Offers a Sensible Alternative to Government Schools


 Clinton Foe In Near Crash


 Professor Links Race, Smarts


 Who Benefits From War With Yugoslavia?


 Here is a copy of the official Blderberg Meeting guest list. It was
released on June 3.


 The Significance of Cultural Communism


 Clinton Plots World War III


 Secrets Of Red Chinese  Weapons Exposed


 Anthrax In The Military


 Other Clinton Scandals


 Spy Aids USSR


 Clinton Pressured On POW/MIA Question


 Zionists Change Strategy


 Russian Economic Collapse And America


 More Clinton Corruption: Mexico


 Gore: International Pariah


 Christianity Under Attack


 Gore's Secretive Speech Revealed


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 IRS Pays


 You Won This Round Against the Federal Reserve


 Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura's State of the State


 Bilderberg to Meet in Portugal


 Abuse of War Powers Act


 Balkans for Beginners


 Here Come the Global Cops


 Senate Looks for Ex-Nazis Soldiers


 Tragedy Or Hope


 Five Years Later, NAFTA's a Bust


 How Government Spies on You


 FBI's New Instant Gun Check System 'Crashes'


 U.S. Military Could Soon Face High-tech Weapon Made in the U.S.A.


 America's Last Real Newspaper


 U.S. Violating United Nation's War with Serbia


 You Thought Your Country Didn't Do These Things?


 Nation's Police To Gather To Plan Attack On 'Patriot' Groups

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