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IMF refuses to rescue Argentina
Currency close to collapse as finance minister emerges empty handed
from weekend crisis negotiations
Charlotte Denny
Monday December 10, 2001
The Guardian
Argentina's currency is on the verge of collapse, analysts warned
yesterday after the finance minister, Domingo Cavallo, emerged empty
handed from weekend crisis talks with the International Monetary Fund
over the country's $130bn (£90bn) foreign debt.
Although Mr Cavallo attempted to put a positive spin on his failure
to coax a promised $1.3bn bailout from the Washington-based lender,
Argentines are expected to flood banks once again this morning in a
desperate attempt to withdraw their savings.
The fund has reportedly demanded that Buenos Aires make a further $4bn in spending
cuts before it r
eleases the frozen loan, but the government is already facing stiff opposition to its
attempts to r
am through austerity me
asures.
We have to work with the president, the cabinet and the governors to be sure that we
are capable o
f doing what is necessary to inspire credibility, Mr Cavallo said of the task.
His remarks came as analysts predicted that the peso's one-to-one peg with the dollar
was close to
rupturing. Black market money changers on the streets of Buenos Aires are already
selling the peso
for as much as 20% belo
w its official value.
The pressures on Argentina's 10-year-old currency board are reaching levels close to
breaking poin
t, said Neil Douglas of Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein.
Devaluing the currency would bankrupt thousands of firms and households as most loans
have to be re
paid in dollars, but this is looking inevitable as the government no longer has
sufficient foreign
reserves to back its pr
omise to exchange every peso in circulation with a dollar.
The government has been forced into increasingly drastic measures to
prevent a complete financial meltdown. Earlier this month, Mr Cavallo
introduced strict controls on bank withdrawals and last Thursday he
took the drastic step of converting private pension funds into
government bonds and using the proceeds to pay off Argentina's
foreign creditors.
The ensuing cash crunch has devastated consumer spending in the run-
up to Christmas, with retail sales down as much as 80% last week,
according to a report from one retailers' group this weekend.
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Ron Paul for President 2004
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To: the Honorable Ron Paul
Sir, we come to you as very concerned American Patriots.
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The United America Party
Party Platform
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Preamble;
By the Grace of Almighty God and with the help of His Divine hand, we
of the United America Party will endeavor to restore the Constitution
of the United States of America...along with the Bill of Rights to as
close as feasibly possible, to what was written by our forefathers,
to the Citizens of the United States of America and the Citizens of
the many Sovereign States United.
We are a Party designed by the Right of God, and dedicated to the
Principles this Nation was Founded on. We will not be confused with
politicians.
On the Issue of,
1: Abortion:
It is not the duty (nor within the Authority) of Congress or the
United States Government...to fund or approve the murder of an unborn
Child. God's Commandment...Thou Shalt Not Murder.
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[CTRL] Skull Bones Article from Esquire Magazine Sept. 1977
http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/skull02.html
Title: Skull Bones Article from Esquire Magazine Sept. 1977
Ron Rosenbaum
- Esquire Magazine - September, 1977
Take a look at the hulking sepulcher over there. Small wonder
they
call it a tomb. It's the citadel of Skull and Bones, the most
powerful of all secret societies in the strange Yale secret-society
system. For nearly a century and a half, Skull and Bones has
been
the most influential secret society in the nation, and now it is one
of the last.
In an age in which it seems that all that could possibly
be
concealed about anything and anybody has been revealed, those blank
tombstone walls could be holding the last secrets left in America.
You could ask Averell Harriman whether there's really
a
sarcophagus in the basement and whether he and young Henry Stimson
and young Henry Luce (Time magazine) lay down naked in the coffin
and spilled the secrets of their adolescent sex life to 14 fellow
Bonesmen. You could ask Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart
if
there came a time in the year 1937 when he dressed up in a skeleton
suit and howled wildly at an initiate in a red-velvet room inside
the tomb. You could ask McGeorge Bundy if he wrestled naked in
a
mud pie as part of his initation and how it compared with a later
quagmire into which he so eagerly plunged. You could ask Bill
Bundy or William F. Buckley, both of who went into the CIA after
leaving Bones - or George Bush, who ran the CIA / President -
whether their Skull and Bones experience was useful training for
the clandestine trade. ("Spook," the Yale slang for spy.) You
could ask J. Richardson Dilworth, the Bonesman who now manages the
Rockefeller fortune, just how wealthy the Bones society is and
whether it's true that each new initiate gets a no-strings gift
of fifteen thousand dollars cash and guaranteed financial security
for life.
You could ask...but I think you get the idea. The
lending lights
of the Eastern establishment - in old-line investment banks (Brown
Brothers Harriman pays Bone's tax bill), in a blue-blood law firms
(Simpson Thacher Bartlett, for one), and particularly in the
highest councils of the foreign-policy establishment - the people
who have shaped America's national character since it ceased being
an undergraduate power, had their undergraduate character shaped in
that crypt over there. Bonesman Henry Stimson, Secretary of War
under F.D.R., a man at the heart of the heart of the American
ruling class, called his experience in the tomb the most profound
one in his entire education.
But none of them will tell you a thing about it.
They've sworn
an oath never to reveal what goes on inside and they're legendary
for the lengths to which they'll go to avoid prying interrogation.
The mere mention of the words "skull and bones" in the presence
of a true-blue Bonesman, such as Blackford Oakes, the fictional
hero of Bill Buckley's spy thriller, 'Saving the Queen', will cause
him to "dutifully leave the room, as tradition prescribed."
I can trace my personal fascination with the mysteriouis
goings-
on in the sepulcher across the street to a spooky scene I witnessed
on its shadowy steps late one April night eleven years ago. I
was
then a sophmore at Yale, living in Jonathan Edwards, the residential
college (anglophile Yale name for dorm) built next to the Bones
tomb. It was part of Jonathan Edwards folklore that on a April
evening following "tap night" at Bones, if one could climb to the
tower of Weir Hall, the odd castle that overlooks the Bones
courtyard, one could hear strange cries and moans coming from the
bowels of the tomb as the fifteen newly "tapped" members were put
through what sounded like a harrowing ordeal. Returning alone
to
my room late at night, I would always cross the street rather than
walk the sidewalk that passed right in front of Bones. Even at
that
safe distance, something about it made my skin crawl.
But that night in April I wasn't alone; a classmate and
I were
coming back from an all-night diner at about two in the morning.
At the time, I knew little about the mysteries of Bones or any of
the other huge windowless secret-society tombs that dominated with
dark authority certain key-corners of the campus. They were
nothing like conventional fraternities. No one lived in the tombs.
Instead, every Thursday and Sunday night the best and the brightest
on campus, the fifteen seniors in Skull and Bones and in the Scroll
and Key, Book and Snake, Wolf's Head, Berzelius, in all the seven
secret societies, disappeared into their respective tombs and spent
hours doing something - something they were sworn to secrecy about.
And Bones, it was said was the most ritualistic and secretive of all.
Even the very door to the Bones tomb, that huge triple-padlocked
iron door, was never prermitted to open in the presence of an
outsider.
All this was floating through my impressionable sophmore
mind that
night as my friend Mike and I approached the stone pylons
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Lone Nut Woodward shouted about political assassinations and global warming
---BeginMessage--- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/zgSolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/Archive/Articles/Article/38900 Rutland Herald Sunday December 9, 2001 A full inquiry December 9, 2001 (from the Editorials section) As more information emerges about the death of Robert Woodward, the need for an independent and thorough investigation of the incident becomes all the more urgent. Woodward died after he was shot seven times by two Brattleboro police officers who were responding to a call from the West Village Meeting House, where a church service was under way last Sunday morning. Woodward came into the West Brattleboro church, saying the CIA and the FBI were after him. Witnesses said he was agitated and erratic. At one point he pulled out a knife, and he warned people not to come close to him. By the time the police arrived, there were still 15 to 20 people in the meeting house, which means authorities have numerous witnesses to the shooting. And from those witnesses, a disturbing picture is emerging about police actions. It is far from clear that Woodward represented a threat to anyone except himself at the time of the shooting. Witnesses have said police officers warned Woodward to drop the knife, but nothing except Woodward¹s refusal to drop the knife has emerged as a reason that he was shot. And that is not sufficient grounds for shooting to kill. It is important to remember that investigators are still trying to piece together from many sources a definitive account of what happened at the meeting house. At the initial stages, however, it is clear that many witnesses are dismayed at police actions, and no one has stepped forward to offer an account saying the police did what was necessary. These public concerns require a thorough look into events at West Brattleboro. The attorney general¹s office has begun an investigation, which is customary in cases of police shootings. Often such investigations confirm that officers in situations of great danger were forced by circumstance to shoot. New facts may emerge in the Woodward case to provide a valid explanation for the death of Robert Woodward. We have not heard those facts so far. Windham County State¹s Attorney Dan Davis may convene a grand jury to look into the incident, but the attorney general¹s investigation will be particularly important because the attorney general is further removed from Windham County. In addition to looking at the facts of the shooting, both Davis and the attorney general¹s office need to determine whether Woodward was allowed to receive the proper medical care after he was shot. The uneasy atmosphere that has gripped the nation in the past three months has, more than likely, put many law enforcement officers on edge. In a period when everyone is supposed to be on high alert at all times, the police must be ready for threats of all kinds. It cannot be easy to live every day with an expectation of terrorism or other new and dangerous forms of violence. But a state of high alert requires a state of extreme caution. Police must deal with distraught and disturbed people all the time; preventing harm to the disturbed person is part of the police¹s job. The police know this. The officers involved in the Woodward case whatever happened are probably experiencing an agony of regret. But the public must be assured that the police recognize the need for restraint in dangerous situations. A thorough search for the facts in the Woodward case will help provide that assurance. - http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/343/metro/Shooting_shocks_a_Vt_church+.sht ml Boston, Massachusetts Boston Sunday Globe Shooting shocks a Vt. church By David Arnold, Globe Staff, 12/9/2001 RATTLEBORO - The bell calling members to the 10 a.m. service had just sounded at the All Souls Unitarian Universalist Church last Sunday. As sometimes happens in the spirit of Unitarian individualism, two members were debating who should make the morning announcements when Robert A. Woodward made an agitated entrance at the back of the meeting room. Nobody knew him. Was this an opening skit, many of the 70 people present wondered? But as Woodward, 37, started pleading for sanctuary, saying the police, the CIA, and the FBI wanted to kill him, they realized this was no act. When he pulled out a knife and threatened suicide, someone called the police. Ultimately, two Brattleboro officers put seven bullets in the desperate man standing next to the church Christmas tree. This morning, congregants will return to All Souls Church to try to process their anger and guilt that their church space had become the scene of a killing. The officers involved have been placed on administrative leave while State
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Fw: THIS WAR HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR YEARS!
---BeginMessage--- ARON KAY http://www.pieman.org http://www.pieman.org/rottenrudy.htm http://www.pieman.org/anti-bushlinks.html http://www.pieman.org/bushthedope.jpg http://www.pieman.org/pissonbush.html DON'T LET AMERIKKKA BECOME A NATION OF SNITCHES - Original Message - From: Joan Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:37 AM Subject: THIS WAR HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR YEARS! Hi, I got this email a few weeks ago and have been checking it out. It's all true! We've had a strange feeling about so many coincidences, but couldn't prove anything till now. Peace, Joan Norman THIS PIPELINE WAR HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR THREE YEARS It's been three years since Congress discussed removing the government of Afghanistan to make way for an oil pipeline: (See the Hearing before the Sub-Commitee on Asia and the Pacific of the Commitee on International Relations of the House of Representatives, February 12, 1998.) It's been six months since the US Government told India there would be an invasion of Afghanistan in October: (See the Special Report in the Public Affairs Magazine: indiareacts.com called India in anti-Taliban military plan, June 26, 2001) It's been five months since BBC heard about the planned invasion of Afghanistan: (See the BBC News' article by George Arney quoting Niaz Naik, former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, who was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action would go ahead by the middle October, September 18, 2001.) It's been nine months since Jane's Defense News got word of the planned invasion of Afghanistan: (See artcle by Rahul Bedi called India joins anti-Taliban coalition March 15, 2001.) and of course, only three months since the attacks on the World Trade Towers that got the American people angered into support of the war that everybody on the planet BUT Americans had been told was on the way before September 11. During these last three months, the same American media that waved non-stop Gary Condit in front of our faces to keep us from finding out that plans for a war were being announced to other governments, is now trying to keep the level of fear in the American public so high that they cannot think. The media has been pounding us all non-stop with Osama (you know, the CIA's main asset in Afghanistan) in a fashion eerily similar to the mythical dictatorship's use of Emmanual Goldstein and the Two Minute Hate in George Orwell's 1984. The media's scare-orrism has continued with the endless dire warnings regarding the Anthrax being sent in letters, which in retrospect has to be the weakest form of Anthrax, having killed far fewer people in the entire nation in the last three months than are gunned down in Washington DC in any given week. But the problem with using fear to keep people from thinking is that sooner or later fear tires itself out. People habituate to it. They get used to it. And they start thinking again. And, as people stop fearing and start to think, they start to notice those things which the government would prefer they don't. Things like the convenient timing of the attacks on the World Trade Towers and the perfect fit into the timetable of the war announced to other nations earlier in the year. People are remembering that Osama bin Laden is a creation of the CIA, the same CIA once headed by the President's father (who also got us into a pointless war in the oil-rich regions of the middle east), the same CIA that imports drugs and sells them to our children, the same CIA now advocating the use of torture. People are remembering that the initial Anthrax attack on the US Congress occurred just as the draconian USA PATRIOT bill was about to be voted on. People have noticed that the US Congress, out of their own fear, voted to pass that bill without reading it at all! (The second congressional Anthrax attack was sent to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) coincidentally right after he announced hearings on the military tribunals directive.) People are remembering that the first suspects to be arrested after the WTC attacks were not Arabs, but Israelis, and that Israelis (in one case a known Mossad agent) were also arrested inside the Mexican Congress carrying guns. Yet more suspected Mossad agents were arrested with plans for US Nuclear power plants inside the US, but were strangely let go! People are remembering that the Mossad has a past history of staging fake terror attacks to blame on a third party, such as the successful planting of fake radio traffic which tricked the US into bombing Libya, and a failed attempt to blow up a US facility and blame it on Arabs in 1956. Reports continue to circle in the foreign press blaming the Mossad for the WTC attacks. People are noticing that the US Government does not really have a case against Osama bin Laden having ANYTHING to do with
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Ashcrof Denounces Critics
---BeginMessage--- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/zgSolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- It's interesting to reflect that perhaps he's absolutely right in the end, though he misinterprets his perceived conclusions as bad things. Ho ho! aadm mount seraphseven: design. comics. zen. -- anomy daily. the zen junkies unite; run. ((( http://www.seraphseven.com/zen/ ))) -- Ashcroft: Critics of new terror measures undermine effort December 7, 2001 Posted: 9:58 AM EST (1458 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Attorney General John Ashcroft lashed out Thursday at critics of the administration's response to terrorism, saying questions about whether its actions undermine the Constitution only serve to help terrorists. To those who pit Americans against immigrants, citizens against non-citizens, to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve, Ashcroft told the Senate Judiciary Committee. They give ammunition to America's enemies and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil. Our efforts have been crafted carefully to avoid infringing on constitutional rights, while saving American lives. Ashcroft flatly rejected criticism of the administration's policies, including President Bush's decision to allow the use of military tribunals to try non-U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism, the detention of hundreds of immigrants in connection with the terrorism probe, the voluntary questioning of thousands of men from mostly Middle Eastern countries, and eavesdropping between attorneys and their clients in terrorism cases. Each of those initiatives, he said, balance constitutional rights against the threat of terrorism. Charges of kangaroo courts and shredding the Constitution give new meaning to the term 'fog of war,' Ashcroft said. But Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, the chairman of the committee, opened the hearing with some implied criticism of the administration, insisting tremendous government power had to be balanced against civil liberties. The need for congressional oversight is not -- as some mistakenly describe it -- to protect terrorists, Leahy said. It is to protect Americans and protect our American freedoms that you and everyone in this room cherish so much. And every single American has a stake in protecting our freedoms. Senators, mostly Democrats but some Republicans, pressed Ashcroft to outline what kind of guidelines would apply to the military tribunals. Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, conceded the tribunals could be effective, but said they had enormous potential for abuse unless they were conducted with a clear set of rules and limits. The specific guidelines for the tribunals, Ashcroft said, would be drafted by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, but he said Bush's order had been for full and fair proceedings. Those tribunals, however, could be held in secret when the president determined it was in the interest of national security to do so, Ashcroft said. The attorney general said his day begins with a rundown of terrorist threats from the around the world, describing it as a chilling daily chronicle of the hatred of Americans by fanatics. To buttress that point, Ashcroft said the Justice Department will post on its Web site several lessons from a terrorist manual so that Americans can know about the enemy. Ashcroft said the manual came from the al Qaeda network and was first made public during the trial earlier this year of men who were later convicted of bombing two U.S. embassies in Africa. The attorney general said the manual shows that terrorists are taught to manipulate the U.S. judicial system and news media to their advantage. The administration had its defenders at the hearing. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, the top Republican on the panel, suggested the criticism of the White House's policies was nothing more than a reflection of Senate egos. I would implore my colleagues, let's keep our focus where it matters: on protecting our citizens, Hatch said. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fisk on his attack
-Caveat Lector- http://www.zmag.org/fiskbeating.htm My beating by refugees is a symbol of the hatred and fury of this filthy war Report by Robert Fisk in Kila Abdullah after Afghan border ordeal They started by shaking hands. We said Salaam aleikum peace be upon you then the first pebbles flew past my face. A small boy tried to grab my bag. Then another. Then someone punched me in the back. Then young men broke my glasses, began smashing stones into my face and head. I couldn't see for the blood pouring down my forehead and swamping my eyes. And even then, I understood. I couldn't blame them for what they were doing. In fact, if I were the Afghan refugees of Kila Abdullah, close to the Afghan-Pakistan border, I would have done just the same to Robert Fisk. Or any other Westerner I could find. So why record my few minutes of terror and self-disgust under assault near the Afghan border, bleeding and crying like an animal, when hundreds let us be frank and say thousands of innocent civilians are dying under American air strikes in Afghanistan, when the War of Civilisation is burning and maiming the Pashtuns of Kandahar and destroying their homes because good must triumph over evil? Some of the Afghans in the little village had been there for years, others had arrived desperate and angry and mourning their slaughtered loved ones over the past two weeks. It was a bad place for a car to break down. A bad time, just before the Iftar, the end of the daily fast of Ramadan. But what happened to us was symbolic of the hatred and fury and hypocrisy of this filthy war, a growing band of destitute Afghan men, young and old, who saw foreigners enemies in their midst and tried to destroy at least one of them. Many of these Afghans, so we were to learn, were outraged by what they had seen on television of the Mazar-i-Sharif massacres, of the prisoners killed with their hands tied behind their backs. A villager later told one of our drivers that they had seen the videotape of CIA officers Mike and Dave threatening death to a kneeling prisoner at Mazar. They were uneducated I doubt if many could read but you don't have to have a schooling to respond to the death of loved ones under a B-52's bombs. At one point a screaming teenager had turned to my driver and asked, in all sincerity: Is that Mr Bush? It must have been about 4.30pm that we reached Kila Abdullah, halfway between the Pakistani city of Quetta and the border town of Chaman; Amanullah, our driver, Fayyaz Ahmed, our translator, Justin Huggler of The Independent fresh from covering the Mazar massacre and myself. The first we knew that something was wrong was when the car stopped in the middle of the narrow, crowded street. A film of white steam was rising from the bonnet of our jeep, a constant shriek of car horns and buses and trucks and rickshaws protesting at the road-block we had created. All four of us got out of the car and pushed it to the side of the road. I muttered something to Justin about this being a bad place to break down. Kila Abdulla was home to thousands of Afghan refugees, the poor and huddled masses that the war has produced in Pakistan. Amanullah went off to find another car there is only one thing worse than a crowd of angry men and that's a crowd of angry men after dark and Justin and I smiled at the initially friendly crowd that had already gathered round our steaming vehicle. I shook a lot of hands perhaps I should have thought of Mr Bush and uttered a lot of Salaam aleikums. I knew what could happen if the smiling stopped. The crowd grew larger and I suggested to Justin that we move away from the jeep, walk into the open road. A child had flicked his finger hard against my wrist and I persuaded myself that it was an accident, a childish moment of contempt. Then a pebble whisked past my head and bounced off Justin's shoulder. Justin turned round. His eyes spoke of concern and I remember how I breathed in. Please, I thought, it was just a prank. Then another kid tried to grab my bag. It contained my passport, credit cards, money, diary, contacts book, mobile phone. I yanked it back and put the strap round my shoulder. Justin and I crossed the road and someone punched me in the back. How do you walk out of a dream when the characters suddenly turn hostile? I saw one of the men who had been all smiles when we shook hands. He wasn't smiling now. Some of the smaller boys were still laughing but their grins were transforming into something else. The respected foreigner the man who had been all salaam aleikum a few minutes ago was upset, frightened, on the run. The West was being brought low. Justin was being pushed around and, in the middle of the road, we noticed a bus driver waving us to his vehicle. Fayyaz, still by the car, unable to understand why we had walked away, could no longer see us. Justin reached the bus and climbed aboard. As I put my foot on the step three men grabbed the strap
[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] AngloGold comments on Newmont's latest offer for Normandy
---BeginMessage--- 11:19a ET Monday, December 10, 2001 Dear Friend of GATA and Gold: AngloGold has issued a statement in response to Newmont's latest offer for Normandy Mining, and you can find it here: http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/011210/02035734_1.html CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Newmont, Franco executives say it's all about hedging
---BeginMessage--- http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011210/syd226593_1.html By James Regan SYDNEY, Dec 10 (Reuters) -- Newmont Mining Corp, which on Monday lifted its bid for Australia's Normandy Mining Ltd by A$900 million, is betting that gold prices are poised to rise after years in the doldrums. We think there is a substantial movement in the gold price coming, Newmont chief executive officer Wayne Murdy said. Gold has averaged around US$350 an ounce over the last 10 years, but these days rarely trades above US$280 an ounce. Newmont has vowed to dismantle Normandy's hedge book of nearly 8 million ounces of gold sold forward to 2010 at an average price of A$585 an ounce, bringing the Australian miner in line with Newmont's no-hedging policy. Gold currently fetches US$273 an ounce or about A$525 an ounce. With Normandy in the Newmont fold, a US$25 an ounce rise in bullion would increase Newmont's pre-tax cash flow to almost US$200 million from US$162 million on its own. This company will have the strongest EBITDA (earnings before interest, depreciation and amortisation) than anyone in the industry, and we will do it based on the spot gold price, Newmont's Murdy told a media briefing on the raised bid. Newmont stormed back into the battle for Normandy in New York on Sunday, winning the support of Normandy's board for its revised offer. The new offer, which values Normandy at A$4.24 billion or about A$1.90 per share, is 15 percent higher than a rival bid made by South African miner AngloGold Ltd . Newmont's policy differs from AngloGold, which has hedged about 84 percent of next year's production at an average price of US$281 an ounce, compared with spot bullion at US$273 an ounce. Newmont is also offering another US$2.58 billion in shares to buy Canadian gold investor Franco-Nevada Mining Corp Ltd, which owns 19.9 percent of Normandy. Franco-Nevada also has thrown its hat in with Newmont and is liable for US$100 million in break fees if it pulls out. We bring together a strong balance sheet and the royalty income flows that Franco-Nevada contributes, that becomes our natural hedge. Therefore, we can remain exposed to the gold price, Newmont's Murdy said. Hedging allows a company to guard against falling gold prices by selling future production at a fixed price, but it can backfire when bullion prices rise. A boom in hedging, designed to guarantee fixed selling prices for future production of gold, has placed mining companies and other investors in gold at risk if bullion prices rise too much. The plight of Ashanti Goldfields Ltd. and Cambior Inc., which were forced to restructure in 1999 after a price surge tipped their hedge books out of kilter, highlighted the downside risk to industry hedging. Hedging has been the bane of this industry, said Franco-Nevada president Pierre Lassonde. He predicted some 1,000 tonnes of gold will be removed from the world gold pool annually over the next few years as low interest rates dull the appeal of borrowing gold to install hedges and mine output declines, Lassonde said. The price could easily go up $50 an ounce, Lassonde said. -END- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/WfTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: Giuliani leaves 4 billion budget gap behind
---BeginMessage--- [Let's see...a hundred million each in tax write-offs to the major media outlets, a new building for those needy folks at theNY Stock Exchange, minor league baseball stadiums for the Mets and Yankees and proposed major league stadiums for each at taxpayer expense, huge financial gifts to recipients like David Rockefeller, Disneyand a circle of billionaire real estate developers who supported him, losing hundreds of lawsuits for constitutional violations, police abuses etc, etcit's not hard to see how a "genius" like America's Mayor could leave even America's wealthiestcity in bancruptcy. It's the "Giuliani Legacy". This has very little to do with the economic impact of 9/11 and would have happened regardless-RL] NY TIMES December 10, 2001METRO MATTERS Unpaid Pipers in a City Of Resilience By JOYCE PURNICK THERE were pessimists who were despairing and optimists who were encouraging, which makes perfect sense. Both were talking about New York City, which delights in eluding typecasting. The event was a weekend conference of the Citizens Budget Commission, the civic watchdog and research group that is wont to shake its fiscally prudent finger at mayors who inevitably stray. That in fact emerged as the unofficial theme of the event at the IBM Palisades Conference Center in Rockland County: the stubborn inclination of mayors to spend in good times, making it tougher in the bad times. Even under Rudolph W. Giuliani, a Republican who promised fiscal prudence, the municipal work force expanded to 250,000 6,600 more than when he took office; city debt grew to 17 percent of the budget from 5 percent, and budget surpluses generated by a booming economy were rolled from one year into the next rather than being set aside for the inevitable rainy day. Now, Mr. Giuliani leaves Mayor-elect Michael R. Bloomberg an anticipated budget gap projected to be $3.5 billion to more than $4 billion, more than any of the last four mayors have had to close in a single year. Economists blame the recession, exacerbated by Sept. 11, and the administration's policies. It spent when it had the money. "It's just the way it is, unless something or someone changes it," said Eugene J. Keilin, chairman of the commission. "But if we keep doing what we've been doing, we'll ultimately have to pay the piper." The pattern is the same going way back, the big crunch coming in the mid-1970's, with the fiscal crisis that banished the kind of egregious fiscal irresponsibility that brought the city to near-bankruptcy. But with the return of fiscal stability also came generous spending whenever the economy permitted. No mayor has yet gotten elusive productivity savings from the municipal unions, or restructured property taxes or undertaken any other fundamental budget reforms favored by fiscal experts. Mayors have their own priorities: Edward I. Koch jump-started the rebirth of the Bronx by building housing for the poor. David N. Dinkins, facing a crime wave, began expanding the police force. Mr. Giuliani spent on safety, education and tax cuts. "It's called democracy: elections," said Alan G. Hevesi, the city comptroller. "It's an imperative of governing and decision- making, knowing you have to fix schools, subways, keep the city safe. It's not a question of bad faith but of a mindset. The mindset is short term." Especially now, with term limits. Why deal with long-term debt if it's not going to be your problem? For optimism, the conference turned to history. And Kenneth T. Jackson, president of the New-York Historical Society, noted that New York City has always reinvented itself, even as many other cities deteriorated, unable to adjust to the rise of suburbia, the decline in manufacturing, the competition of cheap labor and other strains. NEW YORK has distinct strengths, said Mr. Jackson, a history professor at Columbia University and editor in chief of the "Encyclopedia of New York City." Contrary to its general reputation, the city is comparatively honest and safe, he said, citing its relative freedom from large-scale corruption, and the ability of mayors to find a "balance between freedom and order." The city also delivers basic services efficiently, he said, and has enough good private, parochial and elite public schools to keep the middle class and the affluent from fleeing to the suburbs. And, he said, it elects mayors every now and then who convey "a sense of leadership and enthusiasm," creating an atmosphere that draws and retains people and businesses. Mr. Jackson noted that a half-century ago, the city seemed unstoppable. Everything looked great. But the general impression was wrong. Big trouble loomed, from the decline of manufacturing and the port to racial strife and competition from the Sunbelt. Today, things look dire. Or maybe not. Mr. Jackson cited a 1934 quotation from Charles E. Merriam, then a professor at the University
[CTRL] THE PROPAGANDA MODEL: AN OVERVIEW
-Caveat Lector- http://www.medialens.org/frameset.html THE PROPAGANDA MODEL: AN OVERVIEW In their 1988 book 'Manufacturing Consent - The Political Economy of the Mass Media', Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky introduced their 'propaganda model' of the media. The propaganda model argues that there are 5 classes of 'filters' in society which determine what is 'news'; in other words, what gets printed in newspapers or broadcast by radio and television. Herman and Chomsky's model also explains how dissent from the mainstream is given little, or zero, coverage, while governments and big business gain easy access to the public in order to convey their state-corporate messages - for example, 'free trade is beneficial, 'globalisation is unstoppable' and 'our policies are tackling poverty'. We have already touched upon the fact that corporate ownership of the media can - and does - shape editorial content. The sheer size, concentrated ownership, immense owner wealth, and profit-seeking imperative of the dominant media corporations could hardly yield any other result. It was not always thus. In the early nineteenth century, a radical British press had emerged which addressed the concerns of workers. But excessive stamp duties, designed to restrict newspaper ownership to the 'respectable' wealthy, began to change the face of the press. Nevertheless there remained a degree of diversity. In postwar Britain, radical or worker-friendly newspapers such as the Daily Herald, News Chronicle, Sunday Citizen (all since failed or absorbed into other publications) and the Daily Mirror (at least until the late 1970s) regularly published articles questioning the capitalist system. The well-known journalist John Pilger joined the Mirror in 1963, and worked there for over 20 years. Pilger later claimed that 'The Mirror was the first popular paper to encourage working-class people to express themselves, for whatever reason, to their newspaper'. Luckily for him, 'Irreverence and a certain anarchy were encouraged'. Later, when Robert Maxwell took over ownership of the newspaper, Pilger was personally assured that his job was secure: 'Eighteen months later, after relentless interference from Maxwell, I was sacked.' The media typically comprise large conglomerates - News International, CBS (now merged with Westinghouse), Turner Broadcasting (now merged with Time-Warner) - which may belong to even larger parent corporations such as General Electric (owners of NBC). All are tied into the stock market. Wealthy people sit on the boards of these major corporations, many with extensive personal and business contacts in other corporations. Herman and Chomsky point out, for instance, that: 'GE [General Electric] and Westinghouse are both huge, diversified multinational companies heavily involved in the controversial areas of weapons production and nuclear power.' It is difficult to conceive that press neutrality would not be compromised in these areas. But more widely, press freedom is limited by the simple fact that the owners of the media corporations are driven by free market ideology. How likely is it, then, that such owners would happily allow their own newspaper, radio or TV station to criticise systematically the 'free market' capitalism which is the source of his material wealth? The second filter of the propaganda model is advertising. Newspapers have to attract and maintain a high proportion of advertising in order to cover the costs of production; without it, the price of any newspaper would be many times what it is now, which would soon spell its demise in the marketplace. There is fierce competition throughout the media to attract advertisers; a newspaper which gets less advertising than its competitors is put at a serious disadvantage. Lack of success in raising advertising revenue was another factor in the demise of 'people's newspapers' in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. It is clear, therefore, that for any publication or commercial radio or TV station to survive, it has to hone itself into an advertiser-friendly medium. In other words, the media has to be sympathetic to business interests, such as the travel, automobile and petrochemical industries. Even the threat of withdrawal of advertising can affect editorial content. A letter sent to the editorial offices of a hundred magazines by a major car producer stated: 'In an effort to avoid potential conflicts, it is required that Chrysler corporation be alerted in advance of any and all editorial content that encompasses sexual, political, social issues or any editorial content that could be construed as provocative or offensive.' In 1999, British Telecom threatened to withdraw advertising from The Daily Telegraph following a number of critical articles. The journalist responsible was suspended. A 1992 US study of 150 news editors found that 90 per cent said that advertisers tried to interfere with newspaper content, and 70 per cent tried to stop news stories
[CTRL] The Southeast Asian Treasure Connection
-Caveat Lector- from: http://web.singnet.com.sg/~twells/smphil.htm - IRG The Southeast Asian Treasure Connection (The above is a REAL 6.2 kg BURMA three-star gold bar) This page is totally dedicated to World War II Treasure buried and sunken in the Republic of the Philippines. IRG is here to assist you in your treasure quest and we hope some of this information is helpful and informative. For those of you who are successful, or have some good input to add to these pages, we would like to hear from you. Your stories will be treated with the upmost confidentially. For those of you who would like to email to IRG requesting financial assistance with your site - please do not do so at this time as we are simply overwhelmed with potential site information at this time. Thanks Good luck to you all Why so much buried World War II loot in the Philippines? Written by Tony Wells Read News Paper Articles Regarding WWII treasure in the Philippines; * Treasure Diggings Uncovered At University of the Philippines (Dec. 27, 2000) * Sunken Ships Abound In Bolenao Waters (July 28, 2000) * Treasure Hunt Halted By New TRO (March 3, 2000) * Chief Spy Admits To 12 Treasure Hunt Jobs (March 2, 2000) * Bulacan Treasure Hunt Not Covert --- Calimlim (March 1, 2000) * Philippine Daily Inquirer Articles (Oct. - Nov. 1999) * Experts Say RP Seas Trove Of Treasures (Sept. 13, 1999) * War Tunnels Lie Beneath Cherry Hills (Aug. 11, 1999) * Marcos Loot Hunt Now On The Web * Enzo To Testify On Marcos Gold (He claims to know about 200 witnesses who could testify on the existence of the Marcos gold, including those who had dug it up). * Marcos Wealth Brings Bitter Memories To Buddha Finder Heir (Result of Imelda Marcos' claim to having horded 4,000 tons of gold) * SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE : `We were there; we dug up gold' (Ex-Philippine Army soldiers tell story of recovering WWII treasures buried throughout the country for Ex-President Marcos) * Presidential Commission of Good Government (PCGG) Plans To Dig For Yamashita's Treasure On Marcos Property (4-part story) * Jury Orders Marcos To Pay $22 Billion For Golden Treasure * Marcos' Son Willing To Trade Assets For Immunity * Ramos Seeks Compromise On Hidden Marcos Loot * Check Japan Banks For War Loot : Dutch POW Group * Yamashita's Treasure Claims Two More Lives * Quest Continues For Legendary Yamashita's Gold * Jet Crashes At Davao Airport; 12 Injured (Jet was carrying 8 crates of recovered treasure Gold during take-off) * Golden Buddha Finder Wins $460-M Claim To FM Deposits * 25 Billion Imelda's Treasure Found (Hidden in vault in Zurich) * General Yamashita's Treasure Found (Japanese TV crew make major find while filming in PI mountains) NEW! - If you have recovered gold from a treasure dig and wish to sell it - please click here! View Photos of actual recovered Treasures! All of these items were recovered by other groups (not IRG) and we are not trying to claim that the following displayed items were recovered by IRG. These pictures are being used to prove that the existance of buried and sunken WWII Treasure in the Philippines DOES IN FACT REALLY EXIST... Visit the site, THE GOLD OF THE SUN, and order the best and most comprehensive book that has ever been written regarding Buried World War II treasure in the Philippines! If this doesn't make a believer out of you...nothing will. Read chapter Four and Sixteen from THE MARCOS DYNASTY written by Sterling Seagrave. (Total of 28-pages of detailed information concerning Yamashita's Gold) Read two book reviews from Sterling Seagrave's latest book, THE YAMATO DYMASTY! More interesting information on the looting of Asia during WWII. See MAPS below for; Major battle sites on Philippine islands, Japanese Imperial Army strong holds, retreat routes, POW camps, etc.: * Top 10 Major battle sites between USA/Filipino forces against the Japanese Imperial Forces on Northern Luzon between January 9th and August 15th, 1945. * Japanese Imperial Army troop locations on Northern Luzon in Feburary 1945. * Final Imperial Army mountainous strong hold on Northern Luzon before surrendering (July - August 15th, 1945). * Location of 16 major POW internment camp sites
[CTRL] Hegemony or Survival
-Caveat Lector- http://www.medialens.org/frameset.html Hegemony or Survival By Noam Chomsky - 3 July 2001 At the end of June, the UN Conference on Disarmament concludes the second of its year 2001 sessions. Prospects for any constructive outcome of disarmament efforts are slim. Discussions have been blocked by US insistence on pursuing ballistic missile defense (BMD) programs, against near-unanimous opposition. On the purpose of BMD, there is a fair measure of agreement across a broad spectrum. Potential adversaries regard it as an offensive weapon. Reagan's SDI (Star wars) was understood in the same light. China's top arms control official simply reflected common understanding when he observed that Once the United States believes it has both a strong spear and a strong shield, it could lead them to conclude that nobody can harm the United States and they can harm anyone they like anywhere in the world. There could be many more bombings like what happened in Kosovo -- the reaction of most of the world to what was perceived as a reversion to the gunboat wars of a century ago, with the colonial powers of the West, with overwhelming technological advantages, subduing natives and helpless countries that had no ability to defend themselves, doing as they choose while cloaked in moralistic righteousness (Israeli military analyst Amos Gilboa). The reaction to the US-UK Gulf War was much the same among the traditional natives and helpless countries. Fortunately for its self-image, Western ideology is well-insulated from such departures from right thinking. China is also well aware that it is not immune. It knows that the US and NATO maintain the right of first use of nuclear weapons, and knows as well as US military analysts that Flights by U.S. EP-3 planes near China...are not just for passive surveillance; the aircraft also collect information used to develop nuclear war plans (William Arkin, Bull. of Atomic Scientists, May/June 2001). Canadian military planners advised their government that the goal of BMD is arguably more in order to preserve U.S./NATO freedom of action than because U.S. really fears North Korean or Iranian threat. Prominent strategic analysts agree. BMD will facilitate the more effective application of U.S. military power abroad, Andrew Bacevich writes (National Interest, Summer 2001): By insulating the homeland from reprisal -- albeit in a limited way -- missile defense will underwrite the capacity and willingness of the United States to `shape' the environment elsewhere. He cites approvingly the conclusion of Lawrence Kaplan: Missile defense isn't really meant to protect America. It's a tool for global dominance, for hegemony. That this goal should be embraced by all right-thinking people follows at once from the principles of the respectable opinion that defines the parameters within which the policy debate occurs. The spectrum is very broad: it excludes only tattered remnants of hard-core isolationists and those few beleaguered radicals still pining for the glory days of the 1960s, and is so authoritative as to be virtually immune to challenge (Bacevich). The first principle is straightforward: America as historical vanguard. According to this authoritative principle, history has a discernible direction and destination. Uniquely among all the nations of the world, the United States comprehends and manifests history's purpose, namely, freedom, achieved through the spread of democratic capitalism, and embodied in the American Way of Life. Accordingly, US hegemony is the realization of history's purpose; the merest truism, virtually immune to challenge. The principle is by no means novel, nor is the US unique in history in basking in such praise from domestic thinkers. In contrast, the goal offered the public - protection from rogue states - is not taken very seriously. Unless dedicated to instant collective suicide, no state would launch missiles at the US. And there are far easier and safer means to inflict enormous damage on its territory. Anyone who doubts that terrorists could smuggle a nuclear warhead into New York City should note that they could always wrap it in a bale of marijuana, one prominent analyst comments sardonically. Another points out that a nuclear bomb that could easily wipe out Manhattan and kill 100,000 people is a ball of plutonium weighing about 15 pounds. It is a little bigger than a softball. One such bomb could be carried into the United States in a suitcase. And if one could, many could. Nuclear weapons are, of course, not the only weapons of mass destruction (WMD): chemical and biological weapons are arguably a greater threat to the rich and powerful. The 1997 treaty banning chemical weapons is languishing in large measure because the US has not funded inspections and other action, while Washington has made a mockery of the treaty by effectively exempting itself, a senior analyst of the Henry Stimson Center observes. Biological weapons bans have
[CTRL] Policy Entrepreneurs - 1997
-Caveat Lector- http://www.mepc.org/journal/9710_khan.html Policy Entrepreneurs: The Third Dimension in American Foreign-policy Culture M. A. Muqtedar Khan M. A. Muqtedar Khan is a PhD candidate in political science at Georgetown University The Great oil boom was an event so profoundly and broadly influential that it provides the key to understanding the surge of Islam.. Daniel Pipes, 1983.1 Yet it is naive to attribute the Islamic revival mainly to oil. John Esposito, 1985.2 Yes, I did publish a book in 1983, In the Path of God, suggesting that the resurgence of Islam in the 1970s resulted from the boom in oil wealth. At this point I dont know what causes fundamentalism[It] may be too complicated for us to figure out. Daniel Pipes, 1994.3 In the long run, many academics were proved right. David D. Newsom, 1995-96.4 Policy is the codification of politics. They are inextricably linked, making consensus among the policy community essential to articulating and implementing a cohesive and consistent policy. This is particularly true in American foreign policy, given its significance and complexity. In the specific case, for example, of how America should deal with the phenomenon of Islamic resurgence, consensus has been lacking, and for over two decades a vitriolic debate has raged among politicians, policy makers, practitioners, academics, journalists and policy entrepreneurs.5 This paper is an attempt to make sense of the circus that American foreign-policy making has become, due to the competition between national interests and special interests. Two perspectives have emerged,6 one advanced by academics and the other by policy entrepreneurs. While attempting to shed light on the politics of policy making, my primary objective is to contextualize the role of various communities of specialists in the shaping of American foreign policy towards Islam. TWO CULTURES: ACADEMIA AND POLICY-MAKING Alexander George has devoted his career to reducing the gap between the practitioners of American foreign policy and academics who study it.7 He argues that even though a substantial mingling of the two cultures has taken place,8 bridging the gap between the two worlds has been increasingly slow and difficult, especially in the area of conflict management and use of force.9 George chooses to attribute the differences between policy makers and academics to culture, that is, different practices, operational styles and professional missions.10 David Newsom, a former U.S. ambassador and under-secretary of state and a distinguished professor of international relations who has first-hand experience of both cultures, presents the dichotomy as one between actors and observers.11 He contends that while, in the long run, academics have been proven right, practitioners are more concerned with the articulation and justification of current policy. This preference leads them to often ignore advice from academics, whose concern is intellectual. Practitioners generally seek to balance domestic and international politics, resources and realities in an effort to hammer out a workable policy.12 Both George and Newsom observe that academics tend to prefer theory to pragmatism. International-relations (IR) scholars are primarily concerned with eliciting generalizable conclusions and may gloss over specific particularities that may have grave policy relevance. A mutual distrust exists between the two groups that could be attributed to an absence of communication.13 However, IR scholars are not the only academics who write about U.S. foreign policy. Regional scholars, area specialists and historians also offer criticism and advice to the foreign-policy establishment, and these disciplines are outstanding for their lack of theorizing. Gary Sick, an expert on Iran, who, like Newsom, has experienced both the cultures of academia and policy making,14 makes a similar observation: There is a deep and widening gap between the perception of Iran by the Washington policy community, on the one hand and by many if not most academic specialists on the other. Given the divergence of interests between these two groups, perhaps this should not surprise us; but to me, as one who has worked both sides of that fence, the present emergence of two contradictory truths about Iran goes far beyond the usual differences between policy wonks and eggheads. Norvell B. De Atkine, a practitioner, also expresses disappointment at the lack of influence that Middle East scholars have on U.S. foreign policy:15 American specialists on the Middle East are not just talented but have replaced their British colleagues as the greatest sources of knowledge on the region. Why then are they out of the loop? His response to the question is a polemical condemnation of academics in the field. He casts aspersions on their loyalty, dismisses their commitment to objectivity and methodology, and finally declares them unreliable because of their obsession
Re: [CTRL] Videotape shows bin Laden discussing attacks. OH, YEAH? Looking at more bad disinfo rmation from the WTC-frame-up cover-up crowd. U.S.A. (the killer clowns who have made us hated around the world)
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ---BeginMessage--- So the world is being told that a tape has been found in which bin Ladin admits all. Hogs breath. Yes, the Yakima-Herald-Republic carried the same story with exactly the same suspicious elements and unfounded conclusions. The entire argument that this video amounts to an admission of complicity is based on a segment in which bin Ladin, in an unquoted and not-literally-translated segment in which he makes reference to the WTC not coming down in a way one expects. (We do not know the tenses of the Arabic used -- did he mean the towers did not come down as one would expect or as I would have expected -- because Arabic tenses may not offer that choice -- it may merely say as expected -- which the American disinformation teams choose to interprest as It did not come down the way I expected it would -- a translation that would not stand up before any Arabic speaker. Once this little distortion gets its nose under the tent, the disinfo-spinners can build to suit: If he expected the building to go down a certain way before, than that means he was thinking about it coming down, and the only reason he would have for thinking that it was coming down would be if he was engaged in planning for it to come down. But this is absurd. If bin Ladin had planned to crashbomb the world trade center towers he would not be thinking about how it would come down -- just hitting it would have met any terrorists objective. Bin Ladin would not have had the engineers and the plans and conducted the sophisticated analysis -- only men who were attempting to sabotage the building to destroy evidene of oil swaps and illegal gold price fixing that the Securities and Exchange Commission and the FBI were investigating in the North Tower would have motive to think about getting the whole thing down etc. And who has given the reporters this story? Unnamed government officials who themselves merely have been reported to have read transcript translations or been briefed on the content. The Moslem world knows that the crashbombing was a frame-up. And our government knows that large segments of the internet community are convinced and adding more and more to a case for frame-up/treason that is all ready overwhelming. Yet this video is not being released. What possible reason can the Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush have for not presenting the evidence that will exhorate them before an increasingly disbelieving and enraged world? If the tape is not a Mossad or CIA creation and really was a film of the real bin Laden that someone let on his bed as he deserted his home in Jalalabad -- marked what? bin Laden confession??? -- amazing, to me that the Northern Alliance would just happen to find this tape. Who would make such a tape? Why would it only include bin Ladin's remark about expectation of the manner of collapse and not -- since he is letting his hair down with the audience -- any comment about motive or intention or the decision making process or anything of the many other things he would certainly want clarified for his followers if he was permitting a video for his followers who are in the know. Instead just one oblique reference to his expectations -- hanging out in space -- with nothing else worthy of offering as proof or evidence in the entire 40 minutes of the tape? I do not suspect that the tape is a fake. I suspect that the tape is not an admission. It turns out that Tony Blair's famous inconclusive proof was in fact proof of just the opposite -- bin Ladin made it very clear that he was not involved -- merely that Allah let it happen etc. A new bit of phoney evidence was needed. But they don't have it. If they did they would show it? The al-Qa'eda, if it is there's certainly know what is in it. Certainly, if it was not intended to be seen by the west, it can't contain code for terrorists -- and why would al-Qa'eda want to convince the West of bin Laden's guilt ? One wonders what part Israeli intelligence has played in the history of this tape? (Sharon is the world's true suspect for the bombing -- outside the ring of ignorance maintained by the CFR-coordinated media monopoly.) Notice, also, that this crucial tape was sent by our government to outside experts to confirm its authenticity. How come? Doesn't the government want the liability for a false claim of authenticity? Who did this test? Why can't we be told? Does that mean that the FBI did not get to analyse it? It sure sounds that way, doesn't it? I say by all means keep this tape for evidence -- evidence for the conviction of treason of most of this Administration and the State Department. The deliberate misrepresentation of the contents of this tape and possible the making of a bogus frame-up interview as part of the great cover-up
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read all three transcripts and nowhere does it cite Bush as saying he saw the first plane hit a tower. from the transcript you say you read: And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, 'A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack.' http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- bush said in WHITE HOUSE TRANSCRIPTS that he watched it live... ..yet bush is a liar. you admit so yourself by claiming that he knew about the attacks. he may be a liar and he may be dumb enough to slip... but he is not dumb enough to deliberately lie in such a way as to incriminate himself...NOT DELIBERATELY! HENCE IT WAS AN OOPS OF THE HIGHEST MAGNITUDE! if everyone's brains suddenly turned off? __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bits Pieces 8 Dec 01 Part 2
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! The White House said those circumstances could include current national security issues a former president might be unaware of. In effect the executive order makes the release of records dependent on the good graces of the former president, said Public Citizen attorney Scott Nelson. The whole point of the Presidential Records Act was to take control of access out of the hands of the former presidents, he said. By giving the presidents back the power to cover up inconvenient demands, the executive order has inevitably made people wonder what they may be trying to hide. Nelson said the government had 60 days to respond and he expected briefs to be presented in U.S. District court early in 2002. ### Remains Identified - From the Department of Defense, December 6th - The remains of an American serviceman missing in action from the Vietnam War have been identified and returned to his family in the United States. Identified is Navy Cmdr. John A. Feldhaus, of Lawrenceberg, Tenn. On Oct. 8, 1966, Feldhaus took off from the carrier USS Oriskany in an A-1H Skyraider on an armed reconnaissance mission over Thanh Hoa Province, North Vietnam. As he and his wingman entered heavy clouds, Feldhaus radioed that he had been hit by enemy ground fire and his right wing was on fire. His wingman never saw Feldhaus' aircraft again, but he did report seeing a fireball on the ground which he believed to be an aircraft crash. The wingman and another aircrew searched the area of the crash without success. They saw no parachute and heard no emergency radio signals. The visual search was hampered by enemy ground fire and deteriorating weather. Electronic surveillance continued on the succeeding days, but revealed nothing. In October 1993, a joint U.S./Vietnamese team led by Joint Task Force-Full Accounting conducted an investigation in Thanh Hoa Province where they believed the crash occurred, but they found no aircraft debris or remains. Between 1996 and 2000, another four investigations or excavations were conducted in Vietnam, yielding aircraft debris, pilot-related artifacts, personal effects and remains. Among the forensic tools used by the U.S. Army Central Identification Laboratory Hawaii (CILHI) to confirm the identification was that of mitochondrial DNA, in which DNA from a skeletal fragment was matched to that of a Feldhaus family member ### Report From Ground Zero - Early last week the Medical Examiners Office of New York City announced that they had misidentified the remains of one of the firefighters recovered from Ground Zero Remains originally identified as firefighter Jose Guadalup were disinterred, when it was confirmed that the remains were actually firefighter Christopher Santora. The Medical Examiners Office acted swiftly to correct their error and dealt with the families in an honest manner. # CIL-HI Take A Lesson.. Why Does Johnnie Webb Still Have A Job?? # Plan Ahead - The National Alliance of Families 13th Annual Forum will be held June 20 - 22, 2002. Details to follow. # Increased Need to Trust Government Drives Seismic Shift in Public Opinion - From Fox News - WASHINGTON - The Sept. 11 attacks and the Bush administration's response have driven up the public's trust in the government to levels not seen in more than three decades. That trust comes at a time when Americans are more willing to accept government censorship for national security, strict security measures that curb the rights of terrorism suspects and a terrorism war that could include high American casualties Pollsters, historians and social scientists are watching closely to see if the increased trust in institutions that came after the terrorist attacks will be long_term, like some public opinion shifts during earlier wars, or will quickly temper. They tend to agree the length of positive sentiment towards the government is related to the duration of security threats and the government's performance... ...The number of Americans who think government can be trusted to do what is right most of the time has risen to six in 10, according to a recent Gallup poll. That's a level not seen since the 1960s, before a steady drop in public trust with Vietnam, civil unrest and the Watergate scandal. By 1980, only 25 percent of the public felt government could be trusted most of the time, and by 1994, only 17 percent felt that way. By the late 1990s, the number who trusted government had rebounded to about 40 percent. Those who closely monitor public opinion caution such attitudes can change rapidly, depending on the progress of the war on terrorism and the economy. But they also said the terror threat may have changed something fundamental about how the government is perceived. Earlier wars caused long_term shifts
[CTRL] Bits Pieces 8 Dec 01 Part 1
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! National Alliance of Families For The Return of America's Missing Servicemen World War II - Korea - Cold War - Vietnam - Gulf War Dolores Alfond - 425-881-1499 Lynn O'Shea --- 718-846-4350 Web Site http://www.nationalalliance.org email -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] December 8, 2001Bits N Pieces It is God's job to forgive Osama bin Laden. It is the Armys job to arrange a face to face meeting. OR It is God's job to forgive Osama bin Laden. It is the Marines job to arrange a face to face meeting Variations of a popular e-mail circulating on the Internet American Casualties - To the family of Johnny Micheal Spann, Master Sgt. Jefferson Donald Davis, Sgt. 1st Class Daniel Henry Petithory, and Staff Sgt. Brian Cody Prosser, we offer our deepest sympathy. # From Secrecy News Nov. 30th - The death of CIA officer Johnny Micheal Spann in Afghanistan was acknowledged with dignity and eloquence on November 28 by Director of Central Intelligence George J. Tenet. In an extraordinary departure from past practice, however, the CIA issued a press release about Spann's death: http://www.odci.gov/cia/public_affairs/press_release/pr11282001.html Why did the Agency take this unusual step? CIA spokesman Bill Harlow told Reuters that Some circumstances will permit you to identify people who have given their lives for their country and for the Agency and when we can do so, we do. But this is not a satisfactory explanation or an accurate description of CIA disclosure policy. There is a stubborn, irrational resistance to disclosure of such information, author Ted Gup found in his recent study The Book of Honor: Covert Lives and Classified Deaths at the CIA. The Book of Honor refers to the record of those CIA officers who were killed in the line of duty (of which there are now 79), nearly half of whom are still not identified by name but only by an engraved star. Douglas S. Mackiernan was killed on the Tibetan border in 1950, wrote Gup last year. His star remains nameless. So, too, does that of Hugh Francis Redmond, who died in 1970 after nineteen years in a Chinese prison. In both instances the Chinese knew they were CIA spies. Only the American public did not. This practice is not only an injustice to the memory of those who died, it is also bad policy because it erodes the already shaky credibility of CIA classification actions. It is possible to do better. Thus, in the course of his investigation Ted Gup learned the identity of a young woman [CIA officer] who died a violent and selfless death in 1996 but did not reveal her name because The Agency made a compelling case that to identify her would put others at risk ...According to a CIA spokesman, Johnny Micheal Spann's middle name is properly spelled Micheal and not, as New York Times editors and others have emended it, Michael. # National Alliance of Families extends our deepest sympathy to the family and friends of Liam Atkins, who passed suddenly this week. # Former Soldier Flees to South Korea - Associated Press November 24th - SEOUL, South Korea A former South Korean soldier who was captured during the 1950-53 Korean War has returned home after fleeing the North, the government said Saturday. The 67-year-old man recently arrived in South Korea with 18 North Koreans who had fled hunger and other hardships, the government's National Intelligence Service said in a news release. It did not identify him. The man was taken prisoner during a battle in central Korea. He spent most of his life in the North toiling in coal mines, the intelligence agency said. It did not reveal other details, such as the former soldier's escape route. Over the years, 23 South Korean prisoners of war have returned home after fleeing the North. South Korea believes North Korea still holds 300 Southern soldiers, but Pyongyang denies it. The former soldier and the 18 North Korean defectors lived in a third country before coming to Seoul, the agency said. Most North Korean defectors arrive through China, but South Korean authorities usually don't identify China out of respect for that country's relations with North Korea... # Again, we ask the same question - why not Americans? If South Korean POWs can survive in North Korea, Why Not Americans? ### Support Our Servicemen and Women - From the Department of Defense, November November 28, 2001, - ANY SERVICEMEMBER WEB SITES ANNOUNCED - The Department of Defense announced today an alternative to the Any Servicemember and Operation Dear Abby programs, which were suspended indefinitely in the wake of anthrax mail attacks. The Navy has developed a Web-based alternative to benefit members of all Services. The program can be reached at the Navy LIFELines Services Network at http://www.LIFELines2000.org or http://AnyServiceMember.Navy.mil
[CTRL] A Prayer for America
-Caveat Lector- A Prayer for America Heavenly Father, we bow before you with reverence and humility, acknowledging that you are the Almighty Creator of the Universe. We thank you for this great land, the United States of America that you have given us for an inheritance. We thank you that we live in this land, purchased by our forbearers' at great personal risk, blood, sweat, sacrifice and tears; and we thank you for them. We thank you that they had vision of a better place, a place where all are acknowledged to be created equal in your sight. Help us Fa-ther, to act according to their great insight. We thank you that this is a land of freedom, promise, and opportunity; a land where we can assemble freely, where we have the privilege, indeed, right to speak and to acknowledge that you are our God, our Rock and our Salvation. We thank you for protecting America, even in those times when she has not deserved your pro-tection. We thank you for the abundance of this land, for freedom that is unequaled in the annals of history, whose freedom is according to your will, and bought with the sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of patriots. Thank you for all the blessings you have showered upon America. But Lord, we thank you most for the greatest gift of all, the gift of your Son, the Lord and Savior of the world, Jesus Christ. Heavenly Father, as we near the date that shall live in infamy of another era, we are again deeply concerned about our nation at this time of undeclared war. We pray for those men who seek to find and destroy Bin Laden and his network of evil, wherever it may be. Despite our in-stinctive hatred for them and what the evil they have committed, we pray that our enemies will find you, the only true God, Creator, Deliverer, Compassionate Father and, at the last day, Judge of all humankind. We pray for those who were killed during the attack on this country, especially we pray for the heroes among them and for the police and firefighters who died while seeking to save lives. Give them the assurance that this nation will take care of its own. We pray for the volunteers whose selfless devotion has relieved distress and provided comfort; bless them now and in the world to come. We pray for the members of our fighting forces who stand at this moment in harm's way, who bear the separation, hardship, danger, injury and death to protect this great land. Protect them and endow them with the character to do what is right, the courage and strength to not shrink from it, and the stamina to endure until victory is won. We pray that you will comfort and bless all of their families; keep them safe from evil and from the predators who would use them for selfish purposes. Especially we pray, be with, comfort the innocent little children and bless them; raise them up to be mighty children of the Heavenly King. Although we are not worthy, Almighty Father, forgive us of our sins, especially of our thought-less arrogance. Forgive us for believing that we can expect your blessings while we embrace conduct that is morally destructive and socially divisive. Forgive us for replacing you with worldly pleasures and lusts, and for believing that we are gods. Awaken us from our drunken stupor of excesses, convict us of our sin, forgive us and lead us to everlasting life. We pray that in your great and abundant mercy you would heal this people, restore this nation to the path that you would have it follow; and, impute your children with fervor, love, wisdom, humility and jus-tice. Raise up spiritual leaders who will follow your divine will, who will preach, teach and lead your people on the righteous path. We thank you for those leaders who follow your holy will. Raise up dedicated political leaders who will advance what is right for our nation, states and communi-ties. We pray that you will endow them with insight, wisdom, conviction and courage. Keep them mindful that in the end, they will be held accountable and that one-day they will surely stand before you at the Judgment to give an accounting for all their deeds. We pray for GW Bush, President of these great United States, that your Holy Spirit will guide him, nurture and bless him when he is right; and convict him when he is wrong, convince and redirect him to do your will. We thank you for all leaders who are endowed with and exercise in-tegrity, and we most humbly beseech you that you will multiply their numbers. Keep them clean Father, above reproach, and protect them from the Evil One. We pray that you will hold them, and us, in the hollow of your hand. In Jesus' Holy, Blessed and Everlasting name we pray. Amen. Please do not reply to this E-mail. Comments should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to read other columns by Col Pappas see: http://www.gulf1.com/columns/pappas/index.htm Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! Write to same address to be off lists! A
[CTRL] 7 December 2001 Federalist Edition #01-49
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! THE FEDERALIST(r) DIGEST The Conservative e-Journal of Record * Veritas Vos Liberabit * 7 December 2001 Federalist Edition #01-49 Friday Digest *To support The Federalist, Link to -- http://www.Federalist.com/support.asp *To sponsor an edition of The Federalist, Link to -- http://www.Federalist.com/sponsor.asp *To retrieve today's Digest as HTML printer-friendly text or PDF Link to -- http://www.Federalist.com/current2001.asp *To change your e-mail address or format, see instructions in footer. CONTENTS: The Foundation Federalist Perspective __O__ THE FOUNDATION Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. --Thomas Jefferson __O__ PUBLISHER'S NOTE Sixty years ago today, Imperial Japan attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor. As with the attack on our nation September 11th, we were wholly unprepared -- a sleeping giant. But the difference in the execution and outcome of these attacks is as notable as our national response to each. The attack on Pearl Harbor required the entire military resources of Japan. On that fateful Day of Infamy, 353 Japanese planes attacked a military target killing 2,390 combatants. It took four years and the full military-industrial capability of the United States to defeat Japan. The attack on 9-11 required only a hand full of Islamic zealots with some basic flight training, 19 airline tickets and some sharp instruments. On that fateful day, four commercial airliners were hijacked, three of which were used as fueled missiles against symbols of American free enterprise and strength, killing, in less than one hour, thousands of our countrymen -- most of them non-combatants. The resulting war on Jihadistan may continue indefinitely, and will require highly specialized intelligence and military operations to protect against hit-and-run terrorism. As it was in 1941, the most dangerous period for our nation's ability to sustain continuity of government and commerce is the next 6-12 months, while we surge our intelligence and military capabilities to restore our ability to defend our shores. But there is another looming threat to the success of our campaign against Jihadistan. We are fighting an enemy with no borders, and we have become a nation with a very short memory and even shorter attention span. It will be difficult for President George Bush to overcome this internal threat of a looming lack of resolve. We may have to be reminded -- tragically -- that the threat posed by Islamic terrorists will defy short-term solutions. However difficult the coming months and years may be, in the words of fellow Patriot Todd Beamer, one of the first combat fatalities in the war with Jihadistan, we say to all American Patriots: Let's Roll! __O__ FEDERALIST PERSPECTIVE Top of the fold... Measured progress continued in prosecution of our war with Jihadistan. In Afghanistan, only two major war fronts remained, and the siege of one, Kandahar in the south, was nearing an end. Marines from Forward Operating Base Rhino assisted Army Special Forces in tightening the noose around Kandahar, the Taliban's spiritual center. Of the remaining Taliban fighters there, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made clear their options: [I]f they don't surrender, they're going to be killed If people will not surrender, then they've made their choice. With those words, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, holed up in what is left of Kandahar, started negotiations to ensure his own survival. But nobody is listening Apparently Mullah Mo, who earlier in the week was repeating his mantra that Taliban regulars must fight to the death to receive their just rewards, had a change of heart regarding his own. (We suspect the arrival of SF and Marine units in Mo's neighborhood played some role in that change.) Hell is not looking so good Meanwhile, in mountainous northeastern Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda diehards were hiding among the caves and tunnels near Tora Bora -- awaiting their certain demise. Though Osama is proving hard to locate, he may soon be found on the cover of Time magazine as Person of the Year, as the magazine confirmed he is among a dozen under consideration for recognition as the one person on Earth who has had the biggest effect on the year's history. But The Federalist disagrees with the choice of bin Laden and thinks there's no contest -- Man of the Year this year is a composite, The American Hero. Despite the recent years of hand-wringing and whining over the loss of heroes and lack of role models, they have always been among us: the patriot-passengers of United Flight 93 who sacrificed their own lives for untold others; the firefighters, police officers, emergency rescuers and other civilians
[CTRL] CONGRESS ACTION: December 9, 2001
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! CONGRESS ACTION: December 9, 2001 = DEMS WIN ANWR: When President Bush came into office, he proposed a comprehensive national energy plan that would have, among many other things, allowed oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). Naturally, the environmentalists went ballistic. In August the House voted to allow ANWR drilling to proceed, with the area affected by the drilling limited to a mere 2000 acres out of the 19 million acre refuge (0.01%). Now it was up to the Senate, but the Senate is under the control of partisan obstructionist Tom Daschle. Stymied by Daschle in their attempts to get the issue before the Senate for an up or down vote, republicans hit upon what they apparently thought was a clever maneuver. They proposed ANWR drilling as an amendment to the railroad retirement bill under consideration in the Senate, and further, they combined the ANWR drilling plan with a moratorium on human cloning, and proposed both for a single unified vote. Not a single administration official went public to explain the national security imperative of increasing our own oil supply. Under such a ridiculous arrangement, with no high profile presidential support, the combined amendment went down to resounding defeat -- well deserved, if only because it was such a dumb idea. But perhaps the Senate republicans were more clever than anyone suspects, and perhaps conservatives should be cheering. In the opinion of the libertarian Cato Institute: .why are free-market types cheering the introduction of a 'comprehensive national energy strategy'? After all, conservatives didn't cheer a 'comprehensive national Internet strategy' when one was proposed by Al Gore, a 'comprehensive national industrial strategy' when one was proposed by Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich, or a 'comprehensive national health-care strategy' when one was proposed by Hillary Clinton. Conservatives as a general matter believe that the government ought to leave markets alone and that 'comprehensive national economic strategies' are things that old Soviet commissars and young French socialists are in the business of promoting, not free-market American presidents. So if the radical environmentalists and the government just get out of the way, the free market will work its wonders. Not overnight, of course, because it will take time to remedy the problems created over the last eight years by the anti-growth, anti-energy Clinton administration. As the Competitive Enterprise Institute put it, It is true, as the anti-energy zealots proclaim, that it may take a decade for the oil to start flowing from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and therefore opening ANWR won't help solve our current problems. But we are still a decade away because that was also their argument five years ago when the bill to open a tiny part of the nineteen million acre refuge to exploration was vetoed. Even if congressional obstructionists and radical environmentalists get out of the way, energy independence is still years away. Enter the Segway, a two-wheeled scooter with a wheel on each side, while the rider stands in between holding the handlebars. Introduced this week, it is called a revolutionary new mode of transportation that, according to its inventor, will be to the car what the car was to the horse and buggy.'' The battery powered scooter has a top speed of 17 miles per hour, and since there are no windows and no roof, it won't be much good in the rain. There is no back seat, so (soccer moms take note) if you want to drive a kid to school on this contraption, perhaps you'll just have to stuff your youngster into a backpack. Advertised for local use only, you better not have anything you need to carry, locally. Like groceries, or a briefcase to work. Because both of your hands are on the handlebars, although one story claims it can haul 75 pounds of cargo. Maybe they'll sell a tiny trailer that you can drag behind you as you purr along. Urban planners claim it will appeal to those already using environmentally responsible transport: bikes, skates, buses and trains -- anything other than bikes, skates, buses, or trains being, of course, irresponsible, according to a typically arrogant media report. After all, doesn't everyone live in metropolitan D.C., L.A. or New York? Why would anyone have the need for any mode of transportation other than bikes, skates, buses, or trains? When the consumer model of Segway comes out, it is expected to cost about $3000. Which is an awful lot for a pair of roller skates or a bicycle. TERROR TRIALS II: The Judiciary Committee hearings staged by Senator Leahy (labeled Osama's Enabler in Congress by the journal Human Events) to criticize military tribunals resumed this week. The hearing opened with a statement from Senator Orrin Hatch, justifiably critical of the blatant partisanship and misplaced
[CTRL] US Marines Timeline in Afghanistan
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! === Marine Corps Involvement Timeline in Afghanistan = Nov. 7: Marines from the 15th and 26th Marine Expeditionary Units combined to form Task Force 58 under the command of Brigadier General James N. Mattis, the commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade at Camp Pendleton, California. Members of the Australian, British and German militaries are also included in the task force. Nov. 21: TF 58 Marines start moving supplies and equipment from six Navy ships to undisclosed locations. Operation planning begins in preparation for a Nov. 23 assault on a desert airstrip southwest of Kandahar. Nov. 25: Departing from the amphibious assault ship, the U.S.S Peleliu, Marines fly into Afghanistan aboard six CH-53E helicopters and secure the designated airstrip. Within an hour of the initial landing, equipment and supplies are delivered via C-130 aircraft. Nov. 26: Two AH-1W Cobra attack helicopters hit a column of about 12 Taliban armored vehicles following up an air strike by Navy F-14 Tomcat aircraft. 500-600 Marines occupy the airstrip; arrival of troops and equipment continues throughout the day. Nov. 27: Marines begin building command centers, accommodation and medical facilities, while others patrol the airstrip site in Humvees equipped with TOW missile systems and heavy machine guns. Nov. 28: Troops continue to arrive for communications and hygiene improvements, totaling over 800 Marines. Marines test firepower, firing 81mm mortars into the desert to calibrate the weapons. Nov. 29: The number of troops on the ground exceeds 1,000, as service support Marines and Navy construction Seabeas arrive aboard Air Force C-17 transport planes with steamrollers, road graders and other equipment. The U.S. flag was raised over the Marines Corps camp in southern Afghanistan. Dec. 1: 13th MEU (San Diego) sets sail ahead of schedule, aboard the USS Bonhomme Richard along with two support ships. Dec. 2: Marines have finished building their defensive perimeter and continue to reinforce it. Dec. 3: Three warship-based Harrier jets bomb a target in southern Afghanistan. Personnel and supplies continue to arrive, as Marines prepare for follow up missions. The numbers of combat helicopters at the desert airstrip have nearly been doubled in force, increasing firepower. A detachment of light armored vehicles and anti-armor Humvees from the 26th MEU begin operating from the airstrip. Dec. 4: More equipment and supplies are delivered overnight. Dec. 5: Marines move into a position surrounding Kandahar, preparing to cut off escape routes and intercept enemy troops. Additionally, force reconnaissance Marines of the 15th MEU, patrol the desert looking for threats. Dec. 6: Marines were put on alert and fired mortars from Camp Rhino to keep away Taliban forces probing their defenses. Additionally, a UH-1N Huey helicopter crashed near the airstrip at Camp Rhino. Two servicemen received minor injuries, one of them on the ground. Dec. 7: Three Taliban vehicles approach a team of Marines on heavily armed Humvees at 4 a.m., and the Marines attacked from the ground and from the air killing seven Taliban fighters. No Marines were injured. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! Write to same address to be off lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to
[CTRL] Is a war of civilizations ahead?
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! December 7, 2001 - WorldNetDaily.Com Is a war of civilizations ahead? by Patrick J. Buchanan With the ouster of the Taliban and eradication of the al-Qaida in Afghanistan, Islamic extremism has sustained a crushing defeat. But what continues to unsettle Americans is that film of Arab and Islamic people, wildly cheering the barbaric atrocities of Sept. 11. Is a war of civilizations coming? Clearly, not a few in the Islamic world and the West so believe, and ardently desire. And, with the War Party cawing for an attack on Iraq, with Sharon unleashed after the atrocities in Jerusalem and Haifa, with the U.S. press calling for a reappraisal of our ties to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, a clash of civilizations has moved from the possible to the probable. President Bush, however, seems instinctively aware such a war would be a disaster. For no matter how many deaths or defeats we inflict, we cannot kill Islam as we did Nazism, fascism, Japanese militarism and Soviet Bolshevism. Islam has survived for nearly 1,600 years; it is the predominant faith in 57 countries; it is indestructible. Astonishingly, 63 years ago, when Islam lay dormant under the heel of Western empires, a famous Catholic writer predicted Islam would rise again. Wrote Hillaire Belloc: It has always seemed to me ... probable, that there would be a resurrection of Islam and that our sons or our grandsons would see the renewal of that tremendous struggle between the Christian culture and what has been for more than a thousand years its greatest opponent. Islam was a Christian heresy, Belloc believed, whose strength lay in its insistence on personal immortality, the Unity and Infinite Majesty of God, on his Justice and Mercy [and] ... its insistence on the equality of human souls in the sight of their Creator. While The Prophet gave to our Lord the highest reverence, and the Mother of God was ever for him the first of womankind, he rejected the Incarnation. Mohammed taught that our Lord was the greatest of all Prophets, but still only a prophet, a man like other men. Belloc believed Islam to be a Reformation movement with parallels to the Protestant Reformers â on Images, the Mass and Celibacy. When Christians were illiterate, Islam spread for 700 years, until it had mastered the Balkans and the Hungarian plain, and all but occupied Western Europe itself, almost destroying Christendom through its early material and intellectual superiority. Three heroes saved the West. In 732, at Poitiers, Charles Martel, the Hammer of the Franks, stopped Islam's invasion in France. In 1571, the Christian fleets of Don Juan of Austria, an illegitimate son of Charles V, destroyed the Mohammedan armada in an epic battle immortalized in Chesterton's The Ballad of Lepanto. And Polish Catholic King John Sobieski stopped the Turks at Vienna on a date that ought to be famous in history, September 11, 1683. One of history's great questions is why the Islamic world collapsed. A century before Yorktown, Constantinople was superior in arms. But in the 18th and 19th centuries, the Islamic world was not only superseded by the West, it fell backward â in technology, industry, communications, arms and governance. The Ottoman Empire became the sick man of Europe. Colonization by the West followed. In the 20th century, only at Gallipoli â the 1915 battle that cost its architect, First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, his post â can one recall an Islamic victory over a Western army. But if a clash of civilizations is coming, how stands the balance of power? In wealth and might, the West is supreme â though wealth did not prevent the collapse of the Western empires and did not prevent the collapse of the Soviet empire. Rome was mighty, and early Christianity pathetically weak. Yet, Christianity triumphed. If belief is decisive, Islam is militant, Christianity milquetoast. In population, Islam is exploding, the West dying. Islamic warriors are willing to suffer defeat and death, the West recoils at casualties. They are full of grievance; we, full of guilt. Where Islam prevails, it asserts a right to impose its dogma, while the West preaches equality. Islam is assertive, the West apologetic â about its crusaders, conquerors and empires. Don't count Islam out. It is the fastest growing faith in Europe and has surpassed Catholicism worldwide. And as Christianity expires in the West and the churches empty out, the mosques are going up. To defeat a faith, you need a faith. What is ours? Individualism, democracy, pluralism, la dolce vita? Can they overcome a fighting faith, 16 centuries old, and rising again? --- *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for
[CTRL] AF News 8 Dec 01
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! 1753. First-term airmen can extend for 'personal convenience' RANDOLPH AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFPN) -- Airmen serving their first term of enlistment now have the choice to extend one year for their personal convenience, said officials at the Air Force Personnel Center here. Prior to this change, first-term airmen could only apply to extend for mission-related reasons. The initiative originated with the major command senior enlisted leadership, said Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force Jim Finch, and it makes sense to implement the change, given our current focus on retention. The change falls under Rule 28, Best Interest of the Air Force, in Air Force Instruction 36-2606, Reenlistment In the United States Air Force. Airmen wishing to extend under this expanded rule must be re-enlistment eligible, must not fall under any of the other 27 rules, and must extend for the entire 12-month period, said Master Sgt. Anthony McKenzie, assistant chief of the skills management branch here. First-term airmen can only extend under this rule once, and the total of this and any other extensions cannot exceed 23 months. For more information on enlistment extensions, individuals can contact their local military personnel flights. (Courtesy of AFPC News Service) 1755. Researchers study weight management program by Tech. Sgt. Steve Elliott Wilford Hall Medical Center Public Affairs LACKLAND AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFPN) -- America is fast becoming a nation of overweight people, and the U.S. Air Force is not immune to this trend. About 54 percent of military people are overweight, and 6.2 percent are obese, according to a study done by Dr. Richard Atkinson, a professor of internal medicine at the University of Wisconsin; and reported by Reuters News Service. In the civilian world, the majority of overweight people are women, while in the military, the reverse holds true. Atkinson said a study that shows 58.6 percent of the men and 26.1 percent of the women in the military are overweight. About 600 people are separated from the Air Force every year for weight reasons. That's 600 potentially productive people lost, said Capt. (Dr.) Christine Hunter, director of clinical programs and research in the Wilford Hall Medical Center clinical health psychology service here, and the Air Force's principal investigator for the $1 million study. Hunter's study is a joint project with Dr. John Foreyt at the Baylor College of Medicine. The study was recommended for funding by the Department of Defense Peer Reviewed Medical Research Program. We need to find nonpunitive and practical ways to help our personnel lose weight, Hunter said. The weight management program can be very stressful for those people in it, she said. We want to find ways to help people manage their weight successfully before being placed on the weight management program. Although we want to help people before they get on the weight management program, Hunter said, we also want to create a flexible, but comprehensive, program that can supplement the efforts of personnel who are already in the program. The heightened stress of administrative placement on the weight management program may also make it more difficult for some people to lose weight, she said. People on the program might be more likely to go to some extreme, such as going on fad diets, using diuretics, exhibiting bulimic behavior, fasting, saunas, or laxative use. One study found that Air Force personnel on the program are two to five times more likely to engage in bulimic behavior than comparison groups of civilians or active duty not on the weight management program, Hunter said. Currently, when Air Force members are identified as being overweight or over their body fat, they are assessed by medical staff and then entered into the Weight and Body Fat Management Program for an initial 90-day exercise and dietary period. After that, they are entered into a specific phase depending on their progress. In the Air Force, about 22 percent of people weighed during the annual cycle ergometry test are tipping the scales as overweight with nearly 10 percent just five or fewer pounds below their the maximum allowable weight. These percentages are getting higher every year, Hunter said. In the proposed study, prospective participants will be identified through weigh-ins during cycle ergometry testing, since these weights are not officially entered into a person's record. If they are within five pounds of their maximum weight, or above, they will be contacted to see if they want to participate. Those who are interested will come to an orientation session to get some measurements taken, such as height and weight, and will be asked about their perceived energy, dieting history, exercise schedule, etc. Half the participants will be randomly assigned to usual care; which is whatever they might
[CTRL] POW/MIA Freedom Radio
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! On Sunday, December 9, 2001 POW/MIA Freedom Radio, 5:00 (eastern time presents: (adjust the time for your time zone). We Thank our Sponsors for their support. Help us keep going 1st show will be Bob Dumas, brother of Roger, POW in Korea with possibly Joe Douglas, we are still scheduling. This will be a great show, probably one of our best. Documented evidence of Americans left behind. Bob Dumas won in the Federal court system. I ask, why isn't Roger Duman Home? Bob has fought for 50 years, he's a friend and a good man. How many more years does he have to fight this battle alone? Roger Dumas served his country Host Producer: Rod Utech Sponsors are always welcome! Help us continue broadcasting the truth. Help us remain on the air $80.00 will cover 1 hour for 2 months POW/MIA Freedom Radio can be heard on the internet at: http://www.americanewsnet.com/ download Real Audio free at: http://real.com/ http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/5434/daveindex.html Dave Murray's Fight for POW/MIA's *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! Write to same address to be off lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NATO, Russia to forge new relationship
-Caveat Lector- http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-647765.php WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! NATO, Russia to forge new relationship By Jeffrey Ulbrich Associated Press BRUSSELS, Belgium â NATO and Russia agreed Friday to forge what Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov called âa profound changeâ in their relations, creating a new council to work out joint action on issues ranging from civil emergencies to missile defense. NATO officials insisted that the alliance will not be hampered by the new cooperation, and that if a decision cannot be reached with Russia, NATOâs ruling council will make the decision without it. âThere is no issue more important to the security and stability of the Euro-Atlantic area than the further development of a confident and cooperative relationship between us,â NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson told Ivanov. The 19-nation alliance wants to take advantage of Moscowâs cooperation in the fight against terrorism to pursue âopportunities for joint action at 20,â U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said. Besides the struggle against terrorism, Russia and NATO suggested they could work together in such areas as crisis management, nonproliferation, arms control, theater missile defense, search and rescue at sea, military-to-military cooperation and civil emergencies. Ivanov said Russia is not interested in joining the alliance. âRussia has no interest in queuing up for membership,â he said. But he said Moscow did want to work closely with NATO. âThe Russian side has the political will to do it.â On Thursday, the ministers told their ambassadors at NATO headquarters to start working out details of a new arrangement for regular discussions with the Russians, and ways to include them in decision-making while retaining NATOâs ability to act on its own. âThe precise nature and scope of this mechanism will require substantial work over the coming months,â Robertson said, but the plan is to have it in place by the next meeting of allied foreign ministers in May in Reykjavik, Iceland. Russian President Vladimir Putin, on a visit to Greece, said the new council should not be rushed into existence but built âin the atmosphere of trust and goodwill which has been created with our partners and the members of the alliance.â âRussia isnât desperately knocking on the door of NATO. It isnât setting at all cost the demand to become a full member of NATO,â Putin said. âAt the same time, it is plainly obvious today that a series of issues may be resolved much more positively, in respect to security primarily, with the direct participation of Russia.â Since 1997, meetings have been held under something called the NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council, a forum originally created to ease Moscowâs fears about NATO enlargement. But both sides say the council has never been satisfactory and more often than not the alliance uses it to inform Russia of positions it already has taken. Robertson said that Russia will not be able to veto NATO decisions on the new council. âWe are not abandoning our principles or prerogatives,â Robertson said on the second day of NATOâs foreign ministersâ meeting. âThis is about working together more effectively when it is in all our interests to do so.â Asked how Russia would benefit from this new arrangement, given that NATO could still take decisions on its own whether Moscow liked it or not, Robertson said âthe answer is more in chemistry than in arithmetic.â *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! Write to same address to be off lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A
[CTRL] New World Order on Fast Track
-Caveat Lector- New World Order on Fast Track By Chuck Baldwin December 7, 2001 What Japanese bombers could not do in 1941, politicians and businessmen are doing in 2001: destroying U.S. sovereignty and independence. Their weapons are not sinking ships, but they are sinking American autonomy. Furthermore, a Republican administration has done nothing to circumvent or slow down this Draconian drift toward international government. Recently, a U.N. official said, Within 10 years time you're going to see the beginning of an embryonic world order. The official's name is Edward Widmer, and he is president of the Illinois Division of the United Nations Association of the United States. He made his remarks at a gathering of the Bolingbrook Rotary Club just a few days ago. If you think Widmer is simply a wild canary out on a limb by himself, you are very mistaken. Former newsman, Walter Cronkite, wrote in his book, A Reporter's Life, A system of world government is mandatory. The proud nations someday will see the light and . yield up their precious sovereignty. Cronkite also told BBC newsman, Tim Sebastian, I think we are realizing that we are going to have to have an international rule of law. He added, We need not only an executive to make international law, but we need the military forces to enforce that law. Cronkite went on to say, American people are going to begin to realize that perhaps they are going to have to yield some sovereignty to an international body to enforce world law. England's Prime Minister, Tony Blair, is just as direct. In a speech given back in 1999 he said, Globalization has transformed our economies and our working practices. But globalism is not just economic. It is also a political and security phenomenon. Blair went on to say, We are all internationalists now, whether we like it or not. He also said, On the eve of a new Millennium we are now in a new world. We need new rules for international co-operation and new ways of organizing our international institutions. He further said, Today the impulse towards interdependence is immeasurably greater. We are witnessing the beginnings of a new doctrine of international community. Remember it was former president, George Bush, Sr., that spoke of Americans swearing loyalty to a New World Order. His son, George, Jr., feels much the same way. Phyllis Schlafly recently reminded us that, back on April 22 of this year, G.W. signed the Declaration of Quebec City in which he gave a commitment to hemispheric integration and national and collective responsibility for improving the economic well-being and security of our people. Obviously, our people means the people of the Western Hemisphere, not the people of the United States. Schlafly continued to say, Bush pledged that the United States will 'build a hemispheric family on the basis of a more just and democratic international order.' If Congress grants President Bush such unconstitutional Fast Track trade authority (which it has), he will no doubt do exactly what he said he would do: build an international order. Call it what you want - New World Order, International Order, International Community, World Law. It all means the end of U.S. sovereignty and independence. Americans need to be aware that power hungry politicians from both parties along with money hungry executives from multinational corporations pose a much greater threat to our liberties than any foreign terrorist does. If our freedoms are destroyed, it likely will not be by heat-seeking missiles from above but by freezing cold hearts from within. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- bush said in WHITE HOUSE TRANSCRIPTS that he watched it live... ..yet bush is a liar. you admit so yourself by claiming that he knew about the attacks. he may be a liar and he may be dumb enough to slip... but he is not dumb enough to deliberately lie in such a way as to incriminate himself...NOT DELIBERATELY! i think that was my point; that what he said is in no way incriminating..just incredibly difficult to take at face value because it makes absolutely *no* sense! but i'm done arguing about this.. i would, however, just like to point out that the only reason i *was* arguing this is because these are the types of things that make conspiracy theorists seem like story tellers unaware of any factual evidence...and ignoring any sense of logic to boot.therefore, ultimately, taking away from *all* of our credibilities. and i'm still not sure how you think bush watched this [surely you don't think he brought his own special television with him to pick up signals broadcast by whomever you think recorded it?] inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ sure, we'll have fascism, but it will come disguised as americanism - huey long if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- bush said in WHITE HOUSE TRANSCRIPTS that he watched it live... ..yet bush is a liar. you admit so yourself by claiming that he knew about the attacks. he may be a liar and he may be dumb enough to slip... but he is not dumb enough to deliberately lie in such a way as to incriminate himself...NOT DELIBERATELY! i think that was my point; that what he said is in no way incriminating..just incredibly difficult to take at face value because it makes absolutely *no* sense! it makes no sense if your perception template has not taken into account the enormous amount of signs pointing to bush comlplicity in 9-11... in other words...if you resist such a notion then this report will make no sense...if you do not resist such a notion...it falls neatly into place.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/4/01 7:22:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe By Judy Siegel JERUSALEM (November 20) - Genetic evidence continues to provide additional proof to the claims that the Jewish people are descended from a common ancient Israelite father: Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. For some reason or other, I think this is a crock. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Netanyahu and other Israel gems
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ---BeginMessage--- Binyamin Netanyahu, a leader of the Likud Party and an ex-prime minister of Israel has been all over the news lately. Why did no one ask him about these incredible statements he made in Hebrew but available in English and widely cited. - He was giving a speech to dozen's of Likud Party members in Eilat. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz (7/15/01) reported that: ... giving his audience a bit of advice on how to deal with foreign interviewers [Netanyahu said]: 'Always, irrespective of whether you're right or not, you must always present your side as right.' - After the peace process with the Palestinians stipulating no unilateral changes, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Quoted in Ha'aretz 11/24/1998) said There is no such thing as a freeze [on construction] Our policy is to grow and expand...This issue must be coordinated behind closed doors with the army and not in front of the media. - Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories. Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989. Instead of being asked about his policy of home demolitions while prime minister or about these statements, he was presented by many supine US media outlets as a terrorism expert and asked ad nauseum about how Israel can deal with Arafat in countless interviews in which the toughest question asked of him was if he will re-run for Prime Minister! Please do share these quotes with your source of news and views. Now for a couple of other ignored information (items below): 1) From Haaretz: Israel rejects partial truce offer by Islamic Jihad, Hamas 2) Amnesty International latest Press Releases Afghanistan: Inquiry into Qala-i-Jhangi fort killings must not be swept under the carpet 3) An older article from Haaretz by Meron Benvenisti that is still very relevant today. The narrative blaming Yasser Arafat now joins a whole string of myths: the Tel Hai myth, the myth of the runaway refugees in 1948, the myth of the War of Independence as a defensive war that broke out because of an invasion by Arab armies, the myth of the few against the many, and the myth of the liberation of the homeland from the British boot - just to mention a few of the many myths that have been created here to deal with the reality that gave birth to many crises and second thoughts about the situation. Sincerely, Mazin Qumsiyeh http://Al-Awda.org Haaretz 12/9/01 Source: Israel rejects partial truce offer by Islamic Jihad, Hamas By Amos Harel, Aluf Benn, and Dalia Shehori, Ha'aretz Corresondents and agencies Islamic militant groups said in a statement Sunday they will halt attacks within Israel for a week if the IDF ends strikes in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. A senior Israeli security official dismissed the offer and said Israel had no choice but to continue to act in self-defense as long as the Palestinian Authority failed to fight terrorism and make arrests. We are giving the enemy a period to stop its assassinations, destruction, killings and bombardments, said a statement by the military wings of Hamas and Islamic Jihad and two groups affiliated with Fatah. In return, we will stop our martyrdom attacks and armed attacks within the borders of the occupied land of 1948 during this period, which will begin as of midnight December 10 until the end of the month of Ramadan. ___ AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL Latest Press Releases Afghanistan: Inquiry into Qala-i-Jhangi fort killings must not be swept under the carpet Publish date: 05/12/2001 Amnesty International today reiterated its call for an urgent inquiry into the large-scale killing of captured Taleban fighters and others at a fort on the outskirts of Mazar-i Sharif. It urged the US and UK to consider requesting a preliminary investigation by either the United Nations or the International Fact-Finding Commission. The events at the Qala-i-Jhanghi fort must not simply be brushed under the carpet, like so many other killings before them, Amnesty International said. In letters to the US, UK and the United Front (Northern Alliance), the organization pointed to UN Security Council resolution 1378 which specifically calls on all Afghan forces to adhere strictly to their obligations under human rights and international humanitarian law. As it appears that this provision may have been breached, Amnesty International is calling on the US and UK, as members of the Security Council, to request a UN investigation, which should involve relevant human rights mechanisms including the Office of the High
Re: [CTRL] Netanyahu and other Israel gems
-Caveat Lector- And Netanyahus was to set Washington on firewho the hell does these tin horn creeps think they are.Sharon was going to light the fuse - this bastard.. Obvious to me this Twin Towers job was maybe even a three fold deal...cui bono? Let me count the ways and they all seem to go into Silverstein's pocket and Giuliani, or Rudolph the Brown Nosed Reindeer, in Israel - who paid for that trip. So Sharon said the Arabs had the oil but he had the match - the butcher charged with war crimes.. Let us say the usual suspects and no phoney tape re Osama bin Laden is going to shift the blame now. For there are those who rememer the Lavon Affair, the Rosenbergs, and most of all The USS Liberty where our men were murdered and napalmed while they lie dead and wounded for over 45 minutes. There is a general awakening - there is no accounting of this money raised for widows, orphans, and survivors of this 911 Twin Towers job. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israeli assassination attempt kills two Palestinian children {01}
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ---BeginMessage--- From: Lawsociety [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Immediate Release Israeli assassination attempt kills two Palestinian children 10 December 2001 This afternoon, Israeli Apache helicopters killed two Palestinian children and injured nine Palestinians in an assassination attempt on a Palestinian activist in Hebron. At 2.20 pm, Israeli Apache helicopters fired two missiles at five civilian cars standing in front of traffic lights at the junction Salam Street and Wadi Tufah in Hebron. One of the missiles landed between the cars. A second missile hit the car belonging to Mohammad Ibrahim al- Himouni (45), killing his three-years old child Burhan Mohammad al- Himouni. Shadi Ahmad Arafeh (13), a passenger of another car, a service taxi, was also killed. Nine Palestinians were injured in the attack, including Mohammad Ibrahim al-Himouni (45) who lost his left leg. The other injured are: * Mohammad Ayoub Sider (26) * Hamdi Abdel-Rahman al-Joulani (39) * Yusuf Nihad Abu Khalaf (11) * Fares Abdel-Shaqur al-Sharabati (45) * Nabil Mahmoud as-Shorfeh (30) * Yusuf Ziad Amr (10) * Samir Jamil Al-Jobeh (38) * Abdel-Salam Abu Khalaf (30) Extra-judicial killings cannot be reconciled with the Fourth Geneva Convention, which seek to protect the lives of protected persons, and violate human rights norms that affirm the right to life and the prohibition on execution of civilians. Extra-judicial killings constitute wilful killing, which is a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Under Article 8 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, these grave breaches constitute war crimes. There is no basis for killing protected persons on the basis of suspicion that they have engaged or will engage in violent activities. The killings were carried out under circumstances, which suggest complete disregard for the risk involved to the lives of bystanders. Israel's ongoing human rights violations further illustrates the need for the immediate deployment of an international protection presence to prevent violations of the Fourth Geneve Convention and to protect Palestinian protected persons within the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Today, while the international community observes Human Rights Day, LAW - The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment calls upon the international community to take up its legal and moral obligation to put an immediate end to the assault on Palestinian civilians. LAW Society also calls and demands that parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention, in particular the United States and the United Kingdom, not contribute to, aid or abet violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention. LAW Society calls for an immediate suspension of military aid, including weapons and parts, used to perpetrate violations against protected persons. LAW - The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment is a non-governmental organisation dedicated to preserving human rights through legal advocacy. LAW is affiliate to the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ), the Federation Internationale des Ligues de Droits de l'Homme (FIDH) and the World Organisation Organisation Against Torture (OMCT). LAW - The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment, PO Box 20873, Jerusalem, tel. +972-2-5833530, fax. +972-2- 5833317, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], web: http://www.lawsociety.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT = Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return Coalition, is the largest network of grassroots activists dedicated to Palestinian human rights. To subscribe to Al-Awda-News, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To find out how to join an Al-Awda action committee in your area, please visit our website at http://al-awda.org = FREEZE TERRORIST ASSETS! STOP US AID TO ISRAEL! Sign the petition letter online at: http://al-awda.org/terminate_aid_petition.htm = Unless indicated otherwise, all statements posted represent the views of their authors and not necessarily those of Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return Coalition Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---End Message---
Re: [CTRL] Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe
-Caveat Lector- why Prudy it was discovered as if big neews that Palestinians who are butchered by Isralies carry the same DNA trait and blood. Far as I am concerned, they are all snake in the grass descended. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: More Tom Tomorrow
-Caveat Lector- Dear Neuropsychotic: This looked like good material; however, can anybody on list read this? And anybody who quotes Samuel Adams cannot be all bad, even if he is not Irish? Further - what would you think if the law would be changed and anyone at the public trough would put their hand on the Constitution of the United States when they take the oathfor after we swear to support the Contitution in which the right to religion remains or should remain untouched by any laws. Now anyway you can decipher the cartoons you send? Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- i think that was my point; that what he said is in no way incriminating..just incredibly difficult to take at face value because it makes absolutely *no* sense! it makes no sense if your perception template has not taken into account the enormous amount of signs pointing to bush comlplicity in 9-11... which i most certainly have. in fact, i'm certain that he is involved up to his neck. that doesn't change the fact that he was nowhere near a television set that morning.. in other words...if you resist such a notion then this report will make no sense...if you do not resist such a notion...it falls neatly into place.. it doesn't make any sense regardless of which angle you look at it from. inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ sure, we'll have fascism, but it will come disguised as americanism - huey long if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- i think that was my point; that what he said is in no way incriminating..just incredibly difficult to take at face value because it makes absolutely *no* sense! it makes no sense if your perception template has not taken into account the enormous amount of signs pointing to bush comlplicity in 9-11... which i most certainly have. in fact, i'm certain that he is involved up to his neck. that doesn't change the fact that he was nowhere near a television set that morning.. this is based on what evidence, circumstantial or not? see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctrl/message/10645 in other words...if you resist such a notion then this report will make no sense...if you do not resist such a notion...it falls neatly into place.. it doesn't make any sense regardless of which angle you look at it from. your whole stance is based on the notion that a president of the united states does NOT have, at his constant disposal, access to the latest in communications technology - i find this absurd but if you wish to make a case for this - i am all ears... __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- which i most certainly have. in fact, i'm certain that he is involved up to his neck. that doesn't change the fact that he was nowhere near a television set that morning.. this is based on what evidence, circumstantial or not? the fact that the mere concept is ludicrous. it's your job to prove that he did have a mobile television on him; not mine to disprove your ridiculous claim which has absolutely no basis - factual nor logical. in other words...if you resist such a notion then this report will make no sense...if you do not resist such a notion...it falls neatly into place.. it doesn't make any sense regardless of which angle you look at it from. your whole stance is based on the notion that a president of the united states does NOT have, at his constant disposal, access to the latest in communications technology my argument is based on the notion that no president has now, nor ever will, carry around a mobile television with him. he has no need for it. his job is to look good for the cameras, to pump people up by reading what is written for him and to sign the odd sheet of paper that comes his way. what use would he have for a mobile television? besides watching the plane fly into the first tower, of course. wouldn't anybody else notice that he was sitting there watching a tv while everyone within 20 miles is trying to talk to him? he was in the hall; there are tons of people out there, he's going to be asked questions...and if you believe he brought his own it's not like he was talking to somebody, happened to look up, saw the plane hit went holy shit. he would've had to be sitting there ignoring people, waiting for the crash, chomping down popcorn and staring at the screen. do you not think this would be suspicious? and why would he do it in the first place? you'd think that if he's behind this the *last* thing he'd want is to be seen in public watching the thing happen. you'd think the best place for him is in a classroom on the other side of the country, reading a book to elementary school kids, completely oblivious to it all.. i can't believe i'm wasting my time with this.. one last question: when are people going to start blaming bin laden for the ebola outbreak? inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ sure, we'll have fascism, but it will come disguised as americanism - huey long if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- which i most certainly have. in fact, i'm certain that he is involved up to his neck. that doesn't change the fact that he was nowhere near a television set that morning.. this is based on what evidence, circumstantial or not? the fact that the mere concept is ludicrous. it's your job to prove that he did have a mobile television on him; not mine to disprove your ridiculous claim which has absolutely no basis - factual nor logical. under the circumstances [the circumstances being that it is largely presumed that the president of the world's only hyperpower has, at his disposal, the latest in communications technology], since YOU are the one challenging a common notion, it is definitely your job to make the case... besides, this is not a court of law... asking you why he WOULDN'T have a television seems to have offended you...probably because the absurdity of your stance has been highlighted by this very simple and logical question... now, humor me and convince the people on this list that are reading this that you are right... above all else, however, please stop wasting bandwidth.. confucious say: he who refuse to be wrong - not necessarily right.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Summary of David Rose's The Osama Files from Latest Vanity Fair
-Caveat Lector-  Shame on Clinton â again      Good news, sort of, for Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright. Having persisted in telling tales at cross-purposes to explain why the Clinton administration did nothing about Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda network for all those Clinton years, these two erstwhile office-holders may now read from the same page â literally â and discover in the January issue of Vanity Fair what went wrong on their watch.      In The Osama Files by David Rose, the former president and former secretary of state get a second chance to see the letters and secret memoranda that they, along with their top aides, once ignored or failed to act upon. The rest of us, meanwhile, get a look at an eye-popping paper trail that documents futile efforts by Sudan to alert the United States to the workings, the identities and the movements of the al Qaeda network, including, of course, bin Laden.      Mr. Clinton and Mrs. Albright may not only reconsider the entreaties of Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir to then-President Clinton (the Sudanese leader asked to open his country to the CIA and the FBI so the United States could investigate for itself whether Sudan trained or sheltered terrorists), but also the many invitations Sudan made to share terrorism information with U.S. intelligence agencies. In political retirement, they may reflect on whether it was such a brilliant idea, for example, for the State Department to have nixed FBI interest in meeting with Sudanese intelligence. As former Bush White House official and lobbyist Janet McElligott said when urging the government to examine Sudan's dossiers, You do realize bin Laden lived there [Sudan] and they have files on his main people?     Vanity Fair reports that Sudan's efforts to open its books on bin Laden began in February 1996, well in advance of the terrorist attacks that would make the Saudi-born terrorist infamous. That means that for more than four years the Clinton administration refused to consider intelligence that might have prevented the bombing of the Khobar Towers (June 1996), the destruction of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania (August 1998), the attack on the USS Cole (October 2000) and, of course, September 11. Why was such potentially vital information not only ignored but never even evaluated?     The simple answer is that the Clinton administration had accused Sudan of sponsoring terrorism, and refused to believe that anything it did to prove its bona fides could be genuine, the magazine reports. No doubt. But there is probably more to this scandalous failure than the politicization of intelligence.     Just ask a simple question. What mattered more to Clintonites in June 1996: the news on June 25 that a truck bomb had exploded at Khobar Towers in Dharan, Saudi Arabia, or the Supreme Court decision on June 24 to hear Jones vs. Clinton after the 1996 re-election campaign? Or compare another strange confluence of events. What more likely preoccupied Mr. Clinton and his advisers in August 1998: the embassy bombings in Africa on Aug. 7, or Mr. Clinton's upcoming appearance before a grand jury in connection with the Lewinsky matter on Aug. 17?     Given the permanent reconfiguration of the Clinton White House into a scandal-busting spin machine, the answers to such questions are obvious and distasteful. They may make it easier to explain, for example, why Sudan's offer to extradite two suspected bombers and al Qaeda members, made in the days between the embassy bombings and Mr. Clinton's grand jury appearance, was met with silence â except, of course, for the sound of American bombs falling on a Khartoum medicine factory. They don't, however, make it any more conscionable.      The fact is, the scandal-riddled Clinton administration simply and disastrously failed to function â and that, surely, is the biggest scandal of them all.Source: http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20011208-17121302.htm If you want to unsubscribe from this news list, please send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word Delete in the Subject line. To add a friend's e-mail to this list, please send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word Add in the Subject line and write all the emails and names you wanted to be added. Sudanese American Society www.sasociety.com -- Dr. Chris R. Tame, Director Libertarian Alliance| The
[CTRL] hmmmm.....
-Caveat Lector- All the Internet and computer connections of the U.S. Department of the Interior were ordered shut down by a federal judge Thursday who was ruling in a case challenging the security of government Web sites. One immediate effect was a nearly total blackout of earthquake-monitoring sites, federal officials say. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-97308dec07.story?coll=la%2Dheadline FOLLOWED BY! Earthquake Bulletin AFGHAN-TAJIKISTAN BORDER http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/011005023730.html TACTICAL NUKES?!? http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/afghanquakes.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- under the circumstances [the circumstances being that it is largely presumed that the president of the world's only hyperpower has, at his disposal, the latest in communications technology], since YOU are the one challenging a common notion, it is definitely your job to make the case... no, it is not. you (ridiculously) claim that he had one AT THE TIME and was WATCHING it - i'm taking the accepted stance that the president does not sit around watching tv while he's supposed to be doing a pr stunt proving that he cares about kids. prove that he had a tv at the time and, more importantly, was *watching* it [instead of doing the pr stuff that he went there to do]; or admit your argument [and therefore bush's comments - something muttered in passing in order to cover his tracks] is completely unsubstantiable. you should also try to answer some of my earlier posed questions; your inability to do so may prove to yourself how ridiculous what you're proposing actually is. inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ sure, we'll have fascism, but it will come disguised as americanism - huey long if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- under the circumstances [the circumstances being that it is largely presumed that the president of the world's only hyperpower has, at his disposal, the latest in communications technology], since YOU are the one challenging a common notion, it is definitely your job to make the case... no, it is not. you (ridiculously) claim that he had one AT THE TIME and was WATCHING it WRONG! bush did - REMEMBER? email the president... guess what! i am going to let you have the last (lame) word...go ahead and respond...it will end up in my trash bin anyway... __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Sharon Refuses Hamas, Islamic Jihad Peace Offer : Says He Won't Stop Ass...
---BeginMessage--- Sharon Refuses Hamas, Islamic Jihad Peace Offer Says He Won't Stop Assasinating Their Leadership 12/10/2001 9:36:16 AM Islamic Association of Palestine Press Release Jerusalem, Occupied Palestine -- Assalamu'alaikum, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah offer truce, Sharon says No by Khalid Amayreh Occupied Jerusalem: 10 December, 2001 (IAP News) http://www.iap.org The main Palestinian resistance groups have offered to suspend attacks inside 1948 Palestine (Israel) if the Israeli occupation army and paramilitary Jewish terrorists agree in return to stop assassinating Palestinian citizens and end tank and aerial bombardment of Palestinian population centers. The two main Islamic organizations Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, as well as Fatah, headed by Yasser Arafat, said in a joint leaflet widely circulated in the West Bank and Gaza Strip that their offer was meant to deprive the Israeli government of dividing the Palestinian ranks and undermining national unity. We are giving the Zionist enemy a period to stop its assassinations, destruction, murder and bombardment of Palestinian population centers. In return we will stop our martyrdom and armed attacks within the borders of the occupied land of 1948 during this period which will begin as of midnight December 10 until the end of the month of Ramadan. The offer was rejected outright by the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon. A senior Israeli official was quoted as saying that Israel will continue to fight terrorism no matter what. The apartheid Israeli regime considers all forms of Palestinian resistance of Israel's colonial occupation of Palestinian land as terrorism while calling its own state-sponsored terror against Palestinians legitimate self-defense. Observers in Palestine suggest that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, a certified war criminal himself with a long history of heaping death and destruction on the Palestinian people, is not really interested in reducing the level of violence in Palestine as this would shift attention to the political problems pertaining to the Israeli occupation. On Sunday, US envoy Anthony Zinni threatened to leave Palestine and return home if progress in security talks between the two sides was not made. Zinni reportedly made his threat after another meeting between Israeli and PA officials ended without any results. According to Palestinian sources the Israeli government was refusing to end the military siege of Palestinian towns and villages which observers have pointed out reduced the population centers to virtual concentration camps. Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!) (Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com) ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: Afghanistan: US Casualties Spiral : Reporters Seeing Dozens of US Troop...
---BeginMessage--- Afghanistan: US Casualties Spiral Reporters Seeing Dozens of US Troops Injured, Killed 12/10/2001 11:12:17 AM Institute For War And Peace Reporting Kandahar, Afghanistan -- Afghanistan: US Casualties Spiral http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/rca/rca_200112_91_4_eng.txt Scores of US soldiers wounded in Afghanistan have been arriving at the Khanabad air base in southern Uzbekistan - far more than official reports suggest By Andrei Sukhozhilov in Khanabad (RCA No. 91, 7-Dec-01) Its approach announced by the repeated thud of its blade slicing the air, the twin-rotor US helicopter landed at the American military support base at Khanabad airport, in southern Uzbekistan. A staging post for special forces' and humanitarian missions into Afghanistan, the base has become busy with another task - receiving increasing numbers of Americans wounded in the fighting. Uzbek sources at Khanabad suggest that the real figures of US casualties are far higher than the Pentagon's official totals. This IWPR reporter, who smuggled himself onto the facility on December 2, witnessed soldiers scrambling to meet an incoming US helicopter. They lifted out five wounded men on stretchers and loaded them into waiting vehicles. Uzbek army personnel working at the air base said scores of US casualties have been arriving there. From November 25 to Decemeber 2, an Uzbek orderly working with American medical staff said he had witnessed the arrival of four to five US helicopters - carrying between them 10-15 American casualties - each day. The orderly said the US staff he was helping confirmed the casualties coming off the aircraft were Americans. Over the same period of time, the Pentagon has reported just five injured American servicemen, wounded in a friendly-fire incident during an operation to quell a prison riot near Mazar-e-Sharif. All were evacuated to Khanabad and then on to Germany. The Pentagon's official total US casualty toll for the Afghan conflict is eight dead and 41 injured. Asked about IWPR's findings, Pentagon spokesperson Lt Col. Catherine Abbott said, I cannot comment on what your reporter may have seen or something an orderly may have told him. As we verify reports, we make the information known. . . . . The numbers that I gave you are the latest that I have. The IWPR findings come amid US news media criticism of the Pentagon for allegedly restricting press coverage of American casualties. Both the Washington Post and the AP news agency protested Thursday at the military's apparent decision to prevent reporters based inside Afghanistan witnessing the transfer of troops injured when a B-52 bomb went astray in an air-strike on Kandahar. Three US special forces soldiers were killed and 19 wounded in the friendly-fire incident. This reporter managed to get into the heavily guarded Khanabad facility with a group of parents visiting children serving in an Uzbek military unit based at the airport. Uzbek military staff at the base told IWPR that it is increasingly being used as a springboard for humanitarian missions and special forces' raids into Afghanistan. They say the former take place during the day and the latter at night. At the same time, the airport has been receiving growing numbers of casualties. The Uzbek sources say the hospital there - comprising one floor of a building and four large canvas tents - was full of wounded US soldiers. They said more tents were going to be erected to cope with the influx of casualties. The Uzbek orderly working with American troops transferring wounded comrades from helicopters said the casualties suffered shrapnel and bullet wounds to the arms, leg and head. The airport sources could not confirm how many incoming casualties had died. One Uzbek soldier said that since October 15 he had helped US servicemen load 20 body bags onto American transport planes. But he could not confirm whether they were dead US soldiers. But there is other evidence of American fatalities. One Uzbek officer said US soldiers had told him that four of their comrades had died of their wounds on December 1 while being airlifted to Khanabad. An Uzbek pilot spoke of the death last week of an American soldier who he had become friendly with while he was on the base. The US serviceman, he said, had died in the attempt to end the prison riot on the outskirts of Mazar-e-Sharif two weeks ago. A lot of American troops died there - it was a real battle, the pilot said. Uzbek army personnel say the atmosphere on the base has changed distinctly in the last week or so. They say that in October when the Americans began deploying at the airport, they were gung-ho, telling their Uzbek counterparts that it would take no more than a month and a half to defeat the Taleban and al-Qaeda. While the Taleban appear to be on their last legs, al-Qaeda fighters continue to resist in mountain redoubts, with some US servicemen at Khanabad now resigned to a long haul. Uzbek military staff
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read all three transcripts and nowhere does it cite Bush as saying he saw the first plane hit a tower. from the transcript you say you read: And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, 'A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack.' http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html OK, sounds like he was in his limo watching the story about the first plane hitting the tower. He then went into the classroom and was later told the second one had hit, and that, at that point, it was obvious we were under attack, and it wasn't just pilot error. like i said: therefore bush had a live feed of which there is supposedly none... quite on top of this surprise - wasn't he? __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [Fwd: on Israeli Terrorism [update]]
---BeginMessage--- Somebody has done a lot of research for you! Please study the info provided and share with you email friends! Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse. - -Mark Twain. Incredible media power http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=12986 Original Message Subject: on Israeli Terrorism [update] Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:00:21 -0800 (PST) From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ). http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170072.html A Muslim sheikh living in England commenting during a BBC news broadcast added that 40 Jewish Pentagon staff members did not show up for work on 11 September. The sheikh said it would not surprise him if it was discovered that the Mossad (the Israeli secret service) was behind the attacks. http://www.thisiscyberia.com/NewsCenter/article.asp?ID=196628 Israeli Lobby Intimidating Journalists Into Misinforming Public http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1417 Sharon to Peres: don't worry about American pressure We Control America http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1419 Did Israel Assassinate 34 Egyptian Generals In 1999? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1420 Israeli Lobby Planted Phony Story About Palestinians Were Celebrating The Attack http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/archives/lsn20010915175051.html Jewish anti-Zionist organizations http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1288 Five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described as puzzling behavior following the terror attack on the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday. http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=7442. With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks. http://indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=65153 After the suicide bombing attacks at the weekend, carried out by Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which left 34 people dead and around 200 injured, Israel unleashed its military might against Palestinian security posts in Gaza and Cisjordan. The result was three people dead, one of them a child, and 150 injured, 60 of whom were schoolchildren. The Israeli authorities claimed that these attacks were part of the foreseen operations against Palestinian targets. http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/12/06/22993.html NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1372 Jury, judge and executioner http://www.mediamonitors.net/salehabdeljawad1.html America has a very big problem http://www.mediamonitors.net/jasonharline1.html Israeli Democracy: A Promise As Yet Fulfilled http://www.mediamonitors.net/calderon1.html Osama not behind US attacks, says Saranjam http://www.paknews.com/main.php?id=11date1=2001-09-27 4000 Israeli employees in WTC escape ? http://www.paknews.com/main.php?id=3date1=2001-09-19 How Mossad got America to bomb Libya and fight Iraq http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/libya.html German TV exposes CIA, Mossad links to 1986 Berlin disco bombing http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/aug1998/bomb1-a27.shtml Lebanese Druze leader believes CIA, Mossad responsible for US attacks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1132 Gen. Hameed Gul: '911 was work of Mossad CIA, not Bin Laden' http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1133 CIA And Mossad Drug Involvement http://www.spotlight.org/05_28_00/CiaMos/ciamos.html Ha'aretz: Odigo says workers warned of WTC attack http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744contrassID=2subContrassID=1sbSu bContrassID=0listSrc=Y Russian Air Force Chief Says Official 9-11 Story Impossible http://emperors-clothes.com/news/navy.htm Amnesty International Urges Investigation of Ariel Sharon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/264
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read all three transcripts and nowhere does it cite Bush as saying he saw the first plane hit a tower. from the transcript you say you read: And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, 'A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack.' http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html OK, sounds like he was in his limo watching the story about the first plane hitting the tower. He then went into the classroom and was later told the second one had hit, and that, at that point, it was obvious we were under attack, and it wasn't just pilot error. He most likely misspoke when he claimed to have seen the first plane hit. I was watching the news when the second plane hit, the very moment it happened. I wouldn't have seen it except the first plane crash was on every channel by the time the second plane hit - a lot of cameras were trained up there by then. So, chances are Bush was watching the same reports and happened to be in the classroom when the second plane hit. As others have pointed out, Bush likely is complicit, but this incident and the way Bush described it doesn't seem to point to conspiracy, just another bit of verbal stumbling on Bush's part. - jt A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE INSANITY OF BUSH AND SHARON: The Bentham Syndrome
-Caveat Lector- written in april http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/010421_bentham_syndrome.html April 21, 2001Lyndon LaRouche released the following memorandum today to his Democratic Presidential campaign committee, LaRouche in 2004. THE INSANITY OF BUSH AND SHARON: The Bentham Syndrome by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. April 21, 2001 The charge of insanity to be made against both President George W. Bush and Israel's Mega minister Ariel Sharon, is that, considered either separately, or in their present combination, they are, functionally, clinically insane. The sudden spate of hysterical attacks on President Bush's Secretary of State Colin Powell, from the London Telegraph and KKKatharine Graham's Washington Post's concert of orchestration of press inside the U.S.A., only echoes the murderous, bi-polar quality of hysteria, which both madmen have bestirred among Bush's and Sharon's versions of a Goebbels press following. That is to emphasize, that each, and both combined as one, is a clinical model, like Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime, of the Nietzschean existentialist principle of the triumph of the (arbitrary) will. Having adopted a course of action, they, together with that collection of wild-eyed gnostic cults which form the hard core of the Bush Presidency's social base, will pursue that as what they, like a secret meeting of mafia bosses, or the Washington Post crowd, may call a done deal. It will be a deal done in a way which is in willful disregard for the consequences of their actions, either for the welfare of the U.S. economy and our citizens, or the peace of the world. The loonier their decision is, the more likely it will be made, and the more hysterically they will push it through against any and all reason, unless you act to prevent this. Under President Bush, things will never become better, until they first become much worse. The financial and economic policies of both that self-discredited desperado, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Ayn Rand Greenspan, and of the inner circles of President Bush, typify a common, again Nietzschean, quality of disregard for what should be the obvious short-term economic, social, and political consequences of their desperately enforced, lunatic decisions. The lunatic degree of idiocy shown by panic-stricken Greenspan's latest drop in the interest-rate, is an example of what the financial speculators' sheer terror will cause them, like the legendary lemmings, to do. However, neither of that particular pair of Nietzschean conservative revolutionaries, the infinitely greedy President George W. Bush, nor Sharon, are, in any sense of the term, self-made men, financially or otherwise. They are merely the carriers of a disease, like mad-cow disease, which they did not invent, the spread of that mass-murderous quality of insanity which their current behavior expresses. If we wish to halt the deadly pandemic they are spreading, we must locate the exact source of the mass-murderous insanity presented by the relevant symptoms, for their case, as for the cases of Thatcher Britain's launching of policies leading into the spread of BSE. To give that sickness an historically, precisely accurate name, recognize it as The Jeremy Bentham Syndrome, as the Open Conspiracy madmen, the Benthamite pair of H.G. Wells and Bertrand Russell, typify the very worst of the numerous evils which the past century has bequeathed to the present one. That connection, The Bentham Syndrome, is not only an accurate description, is not only the most precise historical vantage-point for understanding the Bush-Sharon phenomenon; it is indispensable for a clear conception of the roots of the problem threatening humanity as a whole at this moment. Bentham, Wells, and Russell The general, pathological phenomenon of which the current Bush Presidency is, historically, but one recent expression, is the determination of what had been, since the days of the medieval alliance of the imperial maritime power of Venice with the landed Plantagenet pestilence, a Venice-centered opposition to the struggle to bring forth modern sovereign nation-state, as the alternative to both the model of the Roman empire and ultramontane forms of feudal order in western Europe. The relevance, and the practical efficiency of this historical connection, is usually beyond the comprehension of those relatively historically illiterate persons who are typified by the majority among recent generations' graduates from our universities. Nonetheless, diseases unseen to the illiterate's eye may nonetheless kill the unwitting, diseases whose existence they may hysterically deny. So, today, what people stubbornly refuse to know, is, most often, that which will hurt them the most. No political figure, or thoughtful citizen of the U.S. today, would be so foolishly reckless as to proceed politically without improving his or her education on precisely the following leading points respecting the realities of modern European history in
[CTRL] British terrorism in Africa
-Caveat Lector- http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1997/lhl_ed_03-07-97.html British terrorism in Africa An EIR Commentary by Lyndon LaRouche March 7, 1997 The usually unreliable New York Times continues that tradition, with its Feb. 27 publication of an item by the Brookings Institution's Francis M. Deng, Sudan's ?Domestic' Terrorism. There were no disclaimers from the editors or publishers, despite facts available to that newspaper, exposing Deng's tale as a hoax. Deng, a former Sudan Ambassador to Washington, presents himself in a book which he himself has written, as a devotee of Samuel P. Huntington's rabidly racialist Clash of Civilizations mantra, and is himself a representative of the notoriously pathetic ethnic hoaxes fathered by British intelligence agent, and racialist anthropologist, E.E. Evans-Pritchard (also the father of the pathetic Ambrose Evans-Pritchard). The Times also knows that Deng is lying when he states, among other frauds, that the SPLM/SPLA has joined with John Garang (and Deng himself) in supporting British war-Lord Caroline Cox's so-called National Democratic Alliance. EIR Contributing Editor LaRouche recently met, in Sudan, in two extended discussions, with the leadership of the SPLM/SPLA; more recently, several African-American officials have also met there with SPLM/SPLA leaders. The mere fact of those meetings were sufficient to expose Deng as a liar. Deng prances in the pretense that he is a defender, a virtual Don Quixote of the Black-Africa cause, against the hated race of Arabs. All the while, he is actually working on behalf of the British Privy Council's Lady Lynda Chalker and British war-Lord Caroline Cox, who are deploying Deng's current military ally, local Uganda dictator and butcher Yoweri Museveni, in genocide against the people of Rwanda, Burundi, eastern Zaire, and now in the Museveni-coordinated invasion of Sudan by the allied military forces of the currently sitting dictators (and butchers) of Eritrea and Ethiopia. Our point here is not Deng as such. Our point is, the inexcusable foolishness of those simple dupes, or immoral opportunists, in the U.S. Congress and Executive, like the major news media, who tolerate the current British line on Islamic terrorism, just as, in this instance, the Times pushed Deng's wild-eyed lying. These assorted dupes and opportunists are stripping the U.S. itself of its defenses against the waves of terrorism presently targetting the territory and institutions of the U.S.A., as they are also threatening our vital interests abroad. Take the case of Taliban, for example. Once Taliban had consolidated political control over Kabul, and had gained official diplomatic recognition, would Taliban be a terrorist force in Central Asia? Probably not: any Afghan rebel's war for the seizure of Kabul is a fight to become the new government, which the newly incumbent forces would defend with as much, or perhaps more patriotic fervor than the government just recently eradicated in terrible war-fighting. Does one, then, include Taliban under the Huntington label of Islamic terrorism? Terrorism is not a secretion of Islam, but spreading the Koran is. Thus, the British imperialists' long experience running operations against the Islamic world, has taught them, that the way to run covert operations within those regions, is to cover their secret-intelligence operations with the appearance of a spreading of the Koran in a more or less militant way. War is war, and guerrilla warfare is also war; that does not create any Islamic threat from what the ever-loving British spook types amuse themselves to label international Islamic terrorism. In the recent several years, a number of governments, and other authoritative sources, have pointed out, repeatedly, that there are very few international terrorist operations deployed anywhere in the world, which are not directed by terrorist organizations openly harbored by the British Foreign and Home offices, in London itself. Who has taken the credit for the terrorist mass-murder of U.S. military personnel in Saudi Arabia, and who has issued the recent, new terrorist threats, on account of which the U.S. State Department has issued its warning? Once again, the headquarters are in London. Others, many not professedly Islamic, are presently targetting the U.S. territory, and populations, too. See, then, the bloody price our security must expect to pay, if we continue to tolerate the British-concocted lie of terrorism from Sudan, rather than bringing the actual masters of most international terrorism, London, to account. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy
[CTRL] Foreign Mujahideen Ambush US Marines Post Near Kandahar
http://66.96.205.195/~azzam/afghan/news/news.php?id=32 11 December 2001 : Foreign Mujahideen Ambush US Marines Post Near Kandahar Daily news, articles and interviews on the Jihad in Afghanistan KANDAHAR (Special Report): On Friday 07 December 2001, late afternoon after Asr prayer, a group of 15 Arab Mujahideen on a reconnaissance mission spotted an encampment of US Marines. US marines have been actively participating in terrorist activities with the forces of American Agent Hamid Kirzai. According to the reports, the Marines were camped out in the desert at some distance from Kandahar. The exact number of US Marines at the position is unconfirmed but they were supported by at least two APCs (Bradley Fighting Vehicle). The Mujahideen unit were only on a reconnaissance mission equipped with light weapons but after spotting the US soldiers, they launched a lightening attack on the US camp just before sunset. The American soldiers panicked and fled in all directions assisted by their fear of the Mujahideen. Three US marines were confirmed killed and 17 more were severely injured. After inflicting heavy casualties on the enemy, the Arab Mujahideen guerillas safely left the site of the carnage without any losses. This surprise attack left the US air support in shock as they were unable to render any air support to the American Marines on the ground. Further reports have been received that the Taliban and the Arab Mujahideen have initiated an intense guerilla war against US targets and the areas on the outskirts of Kandahar have become a living nightmare for US forces and their agents. MUJAHIDEEN ATTACK ALLIANCE POSITIONS NEAR KABUL 105 Mujahideen from the Hamza Abu Zubair Brigade attacked positions of the Northern Alliance near Kabul, killing 67 enemy soldiers and capturing huge quantities of weapons and ammunition. ENGLISH JOURNALIST DISCLOSES PLOT BY WESTERN INTELLIGENCE TO ASSASSINATE HER LONDON (Special Report): The English Journalist Yvonnee Ridley who was held by the Taliban in Afghanistan last September, disclosed that Western intelligence agencies tried to murder her in order to gain public support on the agenda of air strikes against Afghanistan. The 43 year old British Journalist wrote in her book, "IN THE HANDS OF THE TALIBAN", that the Taliban arrested her on 28th September 2001 and freed her on 8 October 2001. During this period the Western intelligence agencies prepared a plan to murder her in order to create a cause for strikes against Afghanistan but they were not successful in their plot. Ridley disclosed that she had plenty of proof related to this plot which she had gatherd with the aid of an Al-Jazeera television reporter. She said that these documents will soon be brought out in public. CNN CORRESPONDENT FOUND DEAD IN JALALABAD PESHAWAR ( Islam News): The American television network CNN's correspondent, Mr Charles Stephen, has been found dead in a hotel of Jalalabad. This correspondent was living in one of Jalalabad's well-known hotels. NANGARHAR ADMINISTRATION CLAIMS BIN LADIN PERSONALLY LEADING FIGHTERS JALALABAD ( Radio Report): In the Eastern Tora Bora region of Afghanistan, US warplanes continued intense bombardment on Sunday but the Americans and its agents (the so-called Eastern Shura Commanders) have still not been able to achieve any significant success so far. The Western media claimed that the American Agents have gained control of some regions of Tora Bora and that they gained this control after intense fighting. The Media also reported that the Eastern Commanders' fighters are facing great resistance from the Arab Mujahideen and it seems that Usama Bin Ladin has personnally taken command of this battle. According to the BBC, the Eastern Shura representative, Muhammad Amin, claimed that Usama Bin Ladin has disappeared along with his 1000 Arab Mujahideen in the forests of Spin Ghar,a region adjacent to Tora Bora. Later on, an injured driver en-route from Tora Bora said that Arab Mujahideen were present in Tora Bora, that they had provisions for six months including food, weapons and ammunition, etc.. The Arab Mujahideen have also made arrangements for electrical generators and electricity. The caves of Tora Bora are very long and there are 20 paths to enter a single cave. This driver was injured in Tora Bora three days ago. He further added that he had not seen Bin Ladin in Tora Bora. Here the Americans have also accepted the fact they do not know anything about Usama Bin Ladin's location. KANDAHAR: FIERCE CLASHES BETWEEN GUL AGHA AND MULLA NAQEEB KANDAHAR (Islam News): In Kandahar, severe clashes are going on between Gul Agha's agents and Mulla Naqeeb's companions. Two of Gul Agha's supporters have been reported dead in these clashes and one injured. One of the two who died belonged to Gulistan, Quetta. His dead body was taken to Chaman yesterday from where it was sent to Gulistan. GUL AGHA'S FIGHTERS NOT OBSERVING FASTING IN RAMADAN SPIN BOLDAK (Islam News):
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read all three transcripts and nowhere does it cite Bush as saying he saw the first plane hit a tower. from the transcript you say you read: And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, 'A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack.' http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html OK, sounds like he was in his limo watching the story about the first plane hitting the tower. He then went into the classroom and was later told the second one had hit, and that, at that point, it was obvious we were under attack, and it wasn't just pilot error. like i said: therefore bush had a live feed of which there is supposedly none... No, that's not at all what I said. I believe he was watching the same news that I was watching that morning. I don't think he actually saw the first plane hit - I think that was a verbal gaffe - he was likely just watching coverage of the building burning after the plane had hit it. quite on top of this surprise - wasn't he? From this story alone as proof, I doubt it. - jt A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] mixed muck 12-10
-Caveat Lector- LONDON is still a haven for Islamic extremists preaching global terrorism, despite tough laws passed last year to curb their activities. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001320005-2001321765,00.html Investigators trying to destroy Osama bin Laden's financial network are now looking right in there own backyard -- at U.S. banks that had direct relationships with a bank founded by bin Laden, reports CBS News' Sharyl Attkisson. http://cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,313496-412,00.shtml Osama bin Laden's extensive financial interests in Britain were outlined yesterday in a French parliamentary report that says the City of London financial center is a money-laundering haven for billions of dollars of tainted and terrorist money. http://www.taipeitimes.com/news/2001/10/11/story/106622 Laden associate enjoys asylum in UK http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_Id=1671745431 Terrorist flaunts 'covenant' with British http://www.aboutsudan.com/issues/terrorism/british_covenant.htm Governments Worldwide Protest London Safehousing of Terrorists http://www.aboutsudan.com/issues/terrorism/governments_worldwide_protest__l.htm American State Terrorism http://www.geocities.com/americanstateterrorism/ Why is the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) mounting an attack on pastas, cereals and salad dressings, among other products? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1504 The Israeli army launched a night-time raid on an Arab village, shooting dead four policemen, setting fire to one house and dynamiting another, and arresting several dozen residents. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=109215 On 12/9/01 the Montreal Gazette reprinted a story by Christina Lamb for the London Daily Telegraph about even more deaths from starvation and cold at another camp near Herat: A dirty gray blanket on the hard desert ground is all that is home for Bibi Gul and her family in the new Afghanistan It is more than a week since she and her five children had their last meal - a begged bowl of rice - and on Friday she woke to find her 2-year-old son, Tahir, stiff and cold, frozen to death in the rain. While the West celebrates the surrender of Kandahar and the collapse of the Taliban, here in Maslakh camp in western Afghanistan there is no celebratory slaughtering of goats or distribution of sweets, but only weeping and funerals Every night as the temperature dips well below zero, as many as 40 people die from cold and starvation. In the six cemeteries scattered through the camp, many of the piles of stones marking graves are so tiny that it is clear most victims are children and babies. http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/qf6.html According to the Pentagon's Defense Science Board, a strong correlation exists between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. President Clinton has also acknowledged that link. The board, however, has provided no empirical data to support its conclusion. This paper fills that gap by citing many examples of terrorist attacks on the United States in retaliation for U.S. intervention overseas. The numerous incidents cataloged suggest that the United States could reduce the chances of such devastating--and potentially catastrophic--terrorist attacks by adopting a policy of military restraint overseas. http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb50.pdf The academics maintain that the term Islamic fundamentalism, especially when used as indiscriminately as it is, merely generates stereotypes and misinforms policy. Esposito points out that Iran, Saudi Arabia and Libya are labeled fundament-alist. He wonders what exactly is common to a revolutionary Islamic Iran that is hostile to the United States, a traditional monarchy in Saudi Arabia that is its best ally in the region and a socialist Libya that is as vulnerable to Islamic resurgence as are other states such as Tunisia and Morocco.34 Islamic fundamentalism, in Espositos opinion, is a pejorative used to demonize Islamic resurgence.35 Others, such as Zachary Karabell, Graham Fuller and Ian Lesser, have also argued that the use of the term serves to delegitimize and demonize attempts by Muslims to apply their religion to their own lives. http://www.mepc.org/journal/9710_khan.html When I met a few days earlier with Osama al-Farra, the mayor of Khan Younis, he explained to me why the Israelis chose to build a settlement right between Mawasi and Khan Younis: It is over the aquifers. In 1980 the Israelis began to drill. They have thirty-two wells. They built a pipeline in 1994 to carry the water into Israel. There are probably about 1,000 people in the settlement next to the camp, but they consume one third of our water supply, though about 160,000 people live in Khan Younis. http://www.harpers.org/online/gaza_diary/?pg=1 For a brief period in September-October 1999 it appeared that Washington was making some progress
Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- --- Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite on top of this surprise - wasn't he? From this story alone as proof, I doubt it. - jt if you ever want to get to the bottom of anything, i suggest putting several clues TOGETHER... __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Afghanistan: US Casualties Spiral (Are we being lied to?)
http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/rca/rca_200112_91_4_eng.txt Afghanistan: US Casualties Spiral Scores of US soldiers wounded in Afghanistan have been arriving at the Khanabad air base in southern Uzbekistan - far more than official reports suggest By Andrei Sukhozhilov in Khanabad (RCA No. 91, 7-Dec-01) Its approach announced by the repeated thud of its blade slicing the air, the twin-rotor US helicopter landed at the American military support base at Khanabad airport, in southern Uzbekistan. A staging post for special forces' and humanitarian missions into Afghanistan, the base has become busy with another task - receiving increasing numbers of Americans wounded in the fighting. Uzbek sources at Khanabad suggest that the real figures of US casualties are far higher than the Pentagon's official totals. This IWPR reporter, who smuggled himself onto the facility on December 2, witnessed soldiers scrambling to meet an incoming US helicopter. They lifted out five wounded men on stretchers and loaded them into waiting vehicles. Uzbek army personnel working at the air base said scores of US casualties have been arriving there. From November 25 to Decemeber 2, an Uzbek orderly working with American medical staff said he had witnessed the arrival of four to five US helicopters - carrying between them 10-15 American casualties - each day. The orderly said the US staff he was helping confirmed the casualties coming off the aircraft were Americans. Over the same period of time, the Pentagon has reported just five injured American servicemen, wounded in a friendly-fire incident during an operation to quell a prison riot near Mazar-e-Sharif. All were evacuated to Khanabad and then on to Germany. The Pentagon's official total US casualty toll for the Afghan conflict is eight dead and 41 injured. Asked about IWPR's findings, Pentagon spokesperson Lt Col. Catherine Abbott said, "I cannot comment on what your reporter may have seen or something an orderly may have told him. As we verify reports, we make the information known. . . . . The numbers that I gave you are the latest that I have." The IWPR findings come amid US news media criticism of the Pentagon for allegedly restricting press coverage of American casualties. Both the Washington Post and the AP news agency protested Thursday at the military's apparent decision to prevent reporters based inside Afghanistan witnessing the transfer of troops injured when a B-52 bomb went astray in an air-strike on Kandahar. Three US special forces soldiers were killed and 19 wounded in the friendly-fire incident. This reporter managed to get into the heavily guarded Khanabad facility with a group of parents visiting children serving in an Uzbek military unit based at the airport.Uzbek military staff at the base told IWPR that it is increasingly being used as a springboard for humanitarian missions and special forces' raids into Afghanistan. They say the former take place during the day and the latter at night. At the same time, the airport has been receiving growing numbers of casualties. The Uzbek sources say the hospital there - comprising one floor of a building and four large canvas tents - was full of wounded US soldiers. They said more tents were going to be erected to cope with the influx of casualties. The Uzbek orderly working with American troops transferring wounded comrades from helicopters said the casualties suffered shrapnel and bullet wounds to the arms, leg and head. The airport sources could not confirm how many incoming casualties had died. One Uzbek soldier said that since October 15 he had helped US servicemen load 20 body bags onto American transport planes. But he could not confirm whether they were dead US soldiers. But there is other evidence of American fatalities. One Uzbek officer said US soldiers had told him that four of their comrades had died of their wounds on December 1 while being airlifted to Khanabad. An Uzbek pilot spoke of the death last week of an American soldier who he had become friendly with while he was on the base. The US serviceman, he said, had died in the attempt to end the prison riot on the outskirts of Mazar-e-Sharif two weeks ago. "A lot of American troops died there - it was a real battle, " the pilot said. Uzbek army personnel say the atmosphere on the base has changed distinctly in the last week or so. They say that in October when the Americans began deploying at the airport, they were gung-ho, telling their Uzbek counterparts that it would take no more than a month and a half to defeat the Taleban and al-Qaeda. While the Taleban appear to be on their last legs, al-Qaeda fighters continue to resist in mountain redoubts, with some US servicemen at Khanabad now resigned to a long haul. Uzbek military staff say frustration at this is noticeable. They say they have witnessed growing tensions among American troops, often overhearing arguments and shouting matches. Andrei Sukhozhilov is the pseudonym
Re: [CTRL] The 'Black Banshee', Commie Mary Frances Berry
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/9/01 5:06:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was the democratic controlled counties that were mainly responsible for cheating blacks out of their votes. Not republicans. It was the Gore camplain that tried to keep the military vote from being counted, not the republicans. It was the democratic state supreme court that caused the mess to wind up in the Supreme Court of the U.S. with their off the wall rulings. The U.S. Supreme Court made the best of mess that they didn't want to have anything to do with. Yeah, sure. Let's talk about the military vote. Every overseas unit has a voting officer. It is this guy's job to get out the absentee ballots and instruct all the voters in their use. It is his business to get them in on time and sent out on time. If the military vote didn't get counted properly, it was because these voting officers are incompetent people picked by incompetent superiors. The U.S. Supreme Court made hay while the sun shone. And if anything fishy should be canned, it's our so called Supreme Court. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Captured Journalist-Intelligence services wanted me killed
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=109164 Intelligence services wanted me killed, says journalist Yvonne Ridley makes astonishing claim in book about her days of captivity with the Taliban By Jo Dillon, Political Correspondent 09 December 2001 Yvonne Ridley, the British journalist captured by the Taliban, this week makes the extraordinary claim that Western intelligence agencies tried to get her killed to bolster public support for the air strikes on Afghanistan. In her new book, In The Hands of the Taliban, published tomorrow, Express journalist Ms Ridley, 43, says despite her release from captivity she still has "unfinished business" surrounding her time in Afghanistan. She claims that on her return to Pakistan she found her hotel room had been searched. In London, the locks on her Soho flat had apparently been tampered with. A journalist on the Arab TV station Al Jazeera then showed her a collection of as yet unverified documents. They purported to be copies of a dossier of personal and financial papers and pictures. When told they had been handed to the Taliban, Ms Ridley asked: "Who the hell was trying to get me shot?" With the help of prominent QC Michael Mansfield, the Al Jazeera journalist, Nacer Bedri, and contacts in the security and intelligence services, Ms Ridley is now trying to piece together what happened. She says the documents were photocopies of genuine-looking Inland Revenue tax returns and the title deeds to a previous London home owned by her. There was also a copy of an Israeli passport belonging to her third husband, Hermosh, along with a Mossad code number and ID card also said to belong to him. The figures in the financial documents were exaggerated, Ms Ridley said. Also in the bundle was a photograph of Ms Ridley, Hermosh and her daughter Daisy, now aged nine, "taken on a river in Iran when you entered the country illegally". Ms Ridley's book says: "I looked at the picture again and initially laughed, when I realised it had been taken in October 1998 in Stratford-upon-Avon. Then an awful feeling came to my stomach and I wanted to vomit. I remembered where I had last seen that picture – in my top drawer at my new flat in Soho. I had kicked out Husband No 3 a couple of weeks after those pictures were taken; they weren't developed until later – after he had gone. So who had been in my flat?" Ms Ridley is convinced the intelligence services must have somehow been involved – and has vowed to prove it. "Without giving too much away, I can say the matter isn't going to rest," she said yesterday. The publication of her book and the claims it makes are certain to throw Ms Ridley back into the spotlight – a place that has not been particularly comfortable for her since she was captured by the Taliban on 28 September and after her release on 8 October. Ms Ridley was lambasted for making a "foolhardy" decision to go into Afghanistan with a number of commentators accusing her of being "selfish" for taking such a risk as a single mother. Others raised questions about Ms Ridley's time in Afghanistan, one report claiming that rather than being captured in the country where she was carrying out a newspaper investigation; she was picked up over the border in Pakistan and had never entered Afghanistan. On her return, Ms Ridley was criticised for failing to pay enough attention in her account of her ordeal to the two guides – then still in prison – captured helping her or the aid workers held alongside her. Early reviews of her book were far from flattering. But Ms Ridley is determined to get to the bottom of her own story.
[CTRL] Secretive US unloads heavy equipment on remote Tinian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,615451,00.html Pacific islands fear prisoner influx Secretive US unloads heavy equipment on remote Tinian Patrick Barkham in Sydney Saturday December 8, 2001 The Guardian Speculation that the US will go ahead with plans to hold suspected terrorists and prisoners of war on remote Pacific islands intensified yesterday when US forces began delivering heavy equipment to the Northern Marianas. Naval officers on nearby Guam said the delivery to the island of Tinian would last 10 days. "That's very unusual," Mark Pangelinan of the Northern Marianas' emergency management office, told the Saipan Tribune. "We need to inform the public what's going on." A US military spokeswoman on Guam said that the C-130 aircraft spotted unloading equipment on Tinian was practising for the air force's "annual Christmas drop" of gifts to islands in the region. But the local press reported that officials had said earlier that they did not need to unload heavy equipment in preparation for the goodwill exercise. Moreover, the US army has asked for additional security measures at Tinian's international airport. Senior officials on the Northern Marianas, a commonwealth of 14 islands administered by the US and dependent on aid from Washington, believe the US forces may hold suspected terrorists and former Taliban fighters on land they lease there. There has been widespread unease in the Pacific since the US authorities confirmed that its territories in the region would be considered as sites for holding prisoners of war and conducting military trials. Several politicians on the Northern Marianas and Guam oppose the use of their islands as military prisons because they believe it will damage the economy and the predominantly Japanese tourist trade. Hotels on the Northern Mariana islands were at their emptiest after the September 11 terrorist attacks. But Mr Pangelinan said he would support a US plan to use Tinian to hold or try captured al-Qaida members. "Our country is in need of our assistance and we all should cooperate and put in our share as a United States commonwealth," he said. Senators on Guam have introduced a resolution asking George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, to remove Guam from their list of potential sites for war tribunals. President Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer, told a White House briefing last week that no preparations were being made on Guam to hold military trials there. US forces have conducted several big exercises on the Northern Marianas in recent years, and plan to send 5,000 marines to Tinian next March. Northern Mariana port officials said the US had always informed them of the nature of its military activities on the islands.
[CTRL] Rep. Ron Paul On Military Courts
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/155974.html Guest Comment: Rep. Ron Paul On Military Courts By Congressman Ron Paul Suddenly the fix for terrorism seems to be secret military tribunals on American soil. Have so many Americans really lost confidence in our institutions? Well, I am happy to report that there is nothing broken about our system of justice. Executive orders authorizing secret trials on American soil, however, send a very different message to America and the world. That is a shame. It is one thing to hold a military-style trial for an enemy captured in conflict abroad, and I don't think many would argue otherwise. It is entirely different, though, when government asserts a right to take people off the streets of our own country and try them in secret - where in some cases death is to be the punishment. There have been many arguments for why setting up military tribunals on U.S. soil is a good idea. None of them are compelling. Many have cited three-ring circus celebrity trials in the past as justification for secret trials of suspected terrorists. Secret trials might be more orderly, that is true, but ask anyone who has suffered under a totalitarian regime whether is it worth sacrificing justice for "efficiency." Others have warned that civil trials of terrorism suspects will result in leaks of intelligence information. This too is unconvincing. There are already mechanisms in place to protect sensitive information from being compromised in trial, and many such trials have been held. Some - even conservatives - have offered the example of President Franklin Roosevelt's use of a military court to try a group of Nazi saboteurs during World War II. It is curious to see FDR as a model for conservatives, but nevertheless we were in a declared war and those captured were agents of a country with which we were in an active state of war. We are not currently in a state of war, despite what pundits might claim. Also worth consideration is the fact that this executive order does not prescribe standard military trials held under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for suspects. Whereas the UCMJ requires unanimity in capital cases, this new military court requires only two-thirds agreement, even to deliver a sentence of death. Also, Fifth Amendment guarantees are compromised in this new court, as is the right to appeal and other due process guarantees. Finally, it is argued that only terrorists are to be subjected to these secret courts. But how do we decide someone is a terrorist before a trial? That sounds an awful lot like government deciding guilt before a show trial. More troubling, under recently passed "anti-terrorism" legislation, the definition of "terrorism" for federal criminal purposes has been greatly expanded. A person can now be considered a terrorist for belonging to a pro-constitution group, a citizen militia, or a pro-life organization. How long before these "terrorists" are subject to secret trials? Who cares, supporters will say. After all, only foreigners are to be tried under these courts and we all know only American citizens are afforded the benefits of our judicial system. Fortunately our founding fathers saw things differently, as they drew up a system that recognized the fundamental rights of all humanity and created a model for constitutional governance. Do Americans really expect Germany or Holland, for example, to disregard their own laws when trying Americans suspected of crimes in their countries? Of course not. Again, supporters of military tribunals promise that only foreigners are to be tried in these secret trials. But what is to come next? What if a U.S. citizen is suspected of working closely with terrorists in one of their cells? Would it be a huge leap in this case to include him in the military trials of his partners in crime? Americans now more than ever must trust the great constitutional institutions that have served us well for more than 200 years. The separation of powers and rule of law are cornerstones. Remove them and our way of life will quickly crumble. Ron Paul For President 2004? Sign The Petition!!!
[CTRL] AMERICA: NATION? or nation-state in a NWO?
http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/dec/08/dorothy.htm AMERICA: NATION? or nation-state in a NWO? By Dorothy Anne Seese 12.08.01 The great government land-grabs are not for the good of the environment or the preservation of our great natural monuments and other resources. They are for the good of the global system that is racing upon us, because private property ownership is the basis for autonomous nations and sovereign governmental structures. The objective is to take away the sovereignty of America as a nation and reduce it to a nation-state in the global governance order for the world. While our citizens are focused on a perpetual state of war that is a necessary distraction to the events that are chipping away at all things foundational to the America of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries, globalism is rapidly advancing, largely unnoticed as the busy citizenry deals with streams of new fears, real or inferred. The fact that we will be in some kind of perpetual war is more evident now that Tora Bora apparently is not housing Osama bin Laden. We surmised some weeks ago that he might be residing in Saudi Arabia as the guest of a friendly prince ... an idea that is all the more plausible if he is not in Afghanistan. Further, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar seems to have disappeared as the Taliban fighters "flee in disarray." Disarray? It's fairly certain that the appearance of disarray has been created largely to allow them to regroup elsewhere and continue their "jihad" as they see fit. Further, the United States seems to have declared a hands-off policy against Yasser Arafat, a convenient Palestinian leader for the elitists because he is known, and probably more communicative than those who won't play political games because of their hatred for Israel, who might cross the boundaries of the war-game. Yes, check your nose if you aren't getting wafts from Fisherman's Wharf. More and more conservo writers are seeing and expressing their lack of confidence in this undeclared war against an ideology rather than one or more nation states. The usefulness of religion or nationalism is that the elitists are able to rally the great masses around their flags or their religious traditions while the real war continues against both nationalism and distinct religious beliefs. Divisiveness will not be tolerated once the global government is visibly in place and in control. The rationale for globalism, which was being discussed back in the 50's when this writer was a very young student, is still the rationale for the globalist agenda. While elitists have their own megalomanias, the academics have tended toward the rationale of preservation, and probably still believe their own delusions. The rationale in the 50's was expressed in these terms. We have one planet, with an increasing population, decreasing land supply, insufficient resources for continued population growth, increasing weapons of mass destruction, and a continuum of petty wars between nations. Ergo ... there must be one centralized governmental entity to control what is racing out of control, or the human race will annihilate itself through famine, war, pestilence, suffocation or a combination of these factors. The front organization for globalism was the United Nations, successor to the failed League of Nations, where ostensibly national leaders could sit down at a table and reason out their differences. That was not the real intent, it was the package proposal that peoples of that era would accept. The idea of globalism was far beyond the average American thought process in the 1940's and 1950's, much less that of the great illiterate masses of the eastern cultures or Africa. If talking out differences appeared to be a worthwhile endeavor, the cold war era should have been sufficient to prove it as pure idealism, unworkable in reality. That would have resulted in the participating nations chucking the UN and returning to nationalism and open combat. The fact that the UN was not dissolved, but eventually the Soviet Union was, attests to an overriding goal that wasn't openly expressed. That goal was, is, and continues to be the establishment of the utopian one world governance. We may have more nations now, but we have less nationalism. There are still warring tribes, but the major powers are finding ways to intervene in their affairs, bringing them under UN supervision and control. Afghanistan was on almost no American's mind until September 11th, 2001, when it gained world attention as the hideout of the world's most wanted terrorist. The same was true of Bosnia and Kosovo, absolutely local matters until NATO's intervention. No nation is safe from UN intervention, no nation is free to do as it pleases unless such activities are sanctioned by (but not publicly) the US, the UN, and NATO. That explains why Israel didn't take out Arafat and the PA years ago; why there was no intervention in Africa's bloody genocides which are
[CTRL] Smallpox Vaccines: A Way to Implant America
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=47contentid=405page=2
Smallpox Vaccines: A Way to Implant America
by DR. ROD LEWIS
HHS and its head honcho, Tommy Thompson, are feverishly attempting to
negotiate a pharmaceutical deal to produce 300,000,000 doses of smallpox vaccine.
When asked about those individuals vaccinated in the '50, '60, and '70s - the last time the vaccine was used - he stated they (HHS) were not sure that those individuals would still have immunity. By implication he means that everyone in the U.S. should be vaccinated.
Yes, it has been a while since I took medical microbiology and
immunology, but if my memory serves me correctly, the vaccine confers lifelong immunity.
"Every American will have his or her name on their dose." Interesting
phraseology, Tommy.
As reported about 6 months ago in Industry Standard magazine, Hitachi
has developed a microchip, known as the MU chip, that is only .04mm square with 128K of memory and can emit a RF (radio frequency) signal up to two feet. "It can be woven into currency or used in biological
tissue - it is completely transparent.
" Also, don't forget L.U.C.I.D. and our friends at Digital Demon - ahm, I mean Angel.
Several months ago I met a former Marine recon specialist ('86-'92) who swore to me and another on this forum that selected individuals in the corps, including himself, had been implanted with an ID chip. Guess where? On the site of their smallpox vaccination scar. These were the rather outdated versions of microchips, not like the MU. The scanner had to be held right over the smallpox
scar and your SSN was displayed.
Most of these chips are powered by what is called thermal gradient.
The areas of the body with the highest gradients are the head, hands,
and arms.
Does everyone see where I am going with this?
Let's use a hypothetical example.
The government or one its rogue elements lets smallpox loose in
Smalltown, USA - sure they can sacrifice a few thousand more Americans to make the empire more secure.
The whole country panics and lines up for their vaccine. They go to
predesignated public health service offices and fill out forms with all kinds of ID questions.
In addition there is the new OHS database that has information on your
political bent using the friend, foe, or neutral scheme. (see "The Revolution in Military Affairs and Conflict Short of War" - Army War College, 1996)
The information in put into a computer and the computer programs the
little MU which is dropped into the vaccine bottle with your name on it. You step up for the pneumatic injection and viola, you are a walking database and transmitter.
Let's imagine the U.S. slides into the worst depression since the '30s. There are riots and political dissension. The 'system' is activated.
You go to the grocery store and for some reason you cannot check-out.
Could it have anything to do with that 'foe' signal you are emitting?
This is only one scenario. You can just imagine the possibilities.
[CTRL] Dubitably ?
-Caveat Lector-
Today at the Presidential press conference, someone asked Ari about
something having to do with proof of UBL's involvement with the 9-
11extreme vandalism in NYC. He replied that he doubts that anyone
doesn't believe that UBL was complicit. Believe. I'd likethem to
get to KNOW. And, of course, BEFORE our forces go off to some
foreign land and create havoc (chaos being the natural order of
things and anarchy the ideal) in their lives. And then we have
Halliburton Dick, still considering doubt,
US Vice President Dick Cheney said: He does, in fact, display
significant knowledge of what happened and there's no doubt about his
responsibility.
The problem is, of course, beliefs and doubts have put Duh-B-Yu in
the flagpole sitting seat of judge-jury-executioner (dictator, i.e.)
in the realm of foreign policy. AER
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BIN LADEN'S SONS WILL KILL HIM ON TV
Dec 10 2001
From Jeremy Armstrong In Kabul
OSAMA bin Laden plans a TV suicide that will trigger attacks on
landmarks in London, Paris and the US.
His estranged wife Sabiha said last night he would order his elder
sons to shoot him rather than be captured.
Bin Laden: Appearance on Al-Jazera TV
Sabiha, 45, added: That will be the signal for a new wave of terror.
The targets this time would be the Capitol building in Washington,
Big Ben in London and the Eiffel Tower in Paris.
Her claims were broadcast on Russian television as al-Qaeda boss bin
Laden reportedly led 1,000 loyalists into forests in Afghanistan
after being flushed out of his Tora Bora caves.
New evidence has also emerged of his role in the September 11
atrocities in America.
In a 40-minute video tape obtained by the Pentagon, he described the
damage around the twin towers as greater than expected and praised
Allah for the success of the attacks.
Bin Laden, 44, whose Saudi family run a multi-billion dollar
construction business, is said to have 15 children by three or four
wives.
Estranged wife Sabiha, who abandoned him after he took another wife
aged 17, revealed the suicide plan on Russian TV channel, TV6.
Sabiha said he wanted his death and ultimate martyrdom filmed by the
al-Jazeera TV network, based in Gulf state Qatar.
It has broadcast several of bin Laden's rants against the West since
September 11.
Yesterday bin Laden's mother Alia spoke for the first time about him,
saying she was not angry with him - just disappointed by his ideas
and actions.
Like all mothers, I am satisfied and pleased with my son and pray to
God to guide him and save him, she told a Saudi newspaper. The
family disowned him in 1994.
The fresh tape evidence of bin Laden's involvement in the twin towers
horror is said to have been found in a private home in Jalalabad.
US Vice President Dick Cheney said: He does, in fact, display
significant knowledge of what happened and there's no doubt about his
responsibility.
On the tape, bin Laden said he was at a dinner when he was told the
first plane had crashed into the Trade Center.
He shared the information with other guests and some expressed
surprise. He told them to stick around and then the second plane hit
and they cheered.
The tape also shows that bin Laden was amused some of the hijackers
were unaware it was a suicide mission.
A US official said: He is amused by the fact that some of these
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Re: [CTRL] Bush Saw The FIRST Plane Hit The WTC On TV?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite on top of this surprise - wasn't he? From this story alone as proof, I doubt it. if you ever want to get to the bottom of anything, i suggest putting several clues TOGETHER... Don't be so patronizing ... Yes, Eric, I realize that, but I don't think this particular transcript is substantive. You also must learn to separate the wheat from the chaff ... - jt A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Iraq = Viet Nam ?
-Caveat Lector- I'm a little confused about the dates on the arms inspections; I thought Ritter was there AFTER DS/DS. But, I think the Viet Nam analogy is the important piece of information. AER From http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=printArticleID=08122 001-060957-4640r }}}Begin The Washington Times www.washtimes.com U.S. experts on Iraq warn of new Vietnam Claude Salhani UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL Published 12/8/2001 WASHINGTON, Dec. 8 (UPI) -- Two prominent American experts on Iraq cautioned the Bush administration on Friday not to go after Iraq in what is being termed as the possible second phase of America's new war on terro rism. The warnings came about as 10 key members of Congress sent a letter to President George W. Bush earlier in the week encouraging him to set his sights on Saddam Hussein's regime as the next target in the war. As we work to clean up Afghanistan and destroy al Qaida, it is imperative that we plan to eliminate the threat from Iraq, they noted. Signers of the letter included Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., Jesse Helms, R-N.C., Trent Lott, R-Miss., Richard Shelby, R-Ala., and Henry Hyde, R-Ill., who is chairman of the House Internation al Relations Committee. The warnings not to attack Iraq came from Scott Ritter, a former arms inspector who led 30 missions in Iraq, 14 of them as chief of the United Nations inspection team, and Edward Peck, a former U.S. ambassador to Bag hdad in the Carter administration. Peck was also deputy director of the Reagan administration's task force on terrorism. Both warned the United States not to attack Iraq once the Afghanistan phase of the anti-terrorism war is completed. During a talk at the Center for Policy Analysis on Palestine in Washington on Friday, both veteran Middle East hands asked the Bush administration not to heed the hawks in government who are demanding that military a ction be taken against Iraqi strongman Saddam. I hope that Attorney General John Ashcroft does not take exception to what I am about to say and label me a terrorist, said Ritter. Now we talk about the next phase, and this is where I get a little nervous. Ritter, who was one of the last arms inspectors in Iraq before the 1990-91 Gulf War, criticized the Bush administration, which, he said, lacks definition in its policy on Iraq. Ritter said the president accused those who fund and train terrorists of being terrorists. The Saudis funded the madrassas (schools) where terrorists were trained. Does this make them terrorists, too? asked the for mer U.S. Marine and arms inspector. Are we going to war against Pakistan? I think not. Ritter rejected recent intelligence reports linking Mohammad Atta, one of the Sept. 11 hijackers and ringleaders, to Iraqi intelligence. The meeting in Prague between Mohammad Atta and Iraqi intelligence was to discuss blowing up Radio Free Europe, which broadcasts messages aimed against Saddam Hussein. It is a legitimate target. Ritter whose task in Iraq included identifying, finding and destroying Iraqi biochemical and nuclear facilities, believes there was no link between Iraq and the recent spate of anthrax-spiked letters in the United St ates. The anthrax letters were almost certainly from a (U.S.) Department of Defense source, he said. Scratch the Iraq link. Iraq, said Ritter, did not kick out the United Nations inspectors, it was the United States that asked them to leave before the bombing of Baghdad started in 1990, shortly after Iraq invaded Kuwait. Both Ritter and former ambassador Peck do not believe Iraq presents a threat today, and that even Israel does not see Saddam as an immediate threat any longer. Iraq was a threat in 1990, not today. Should the United States pursue its unilateral decision to take down Saddam Hussein, it will be nothing more than a modern version of Vietnam, declared Ritter. Peck, who served in Baghdad, said the American media were incapable of telling the American people information they don't want to hear. He rejected the United States' support of the London-based Iraqi opposition know n as the Iraqi National Congress, calling them silk-shirted, three piece-suited losers in London. The INC, said Peck, was not a feasible alternative. If we can push the Catholics and Protestants to talk in Northern Ireland, and push (Israeli Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon and (Palestinian Authority leader) Yasser Arafat to talk, why can't we talk to Iraq? asked Pe ck. He blamed the continuing sanctions against Iraq to be partially at fault for the hatred directed against America. American people are loved, he said, but their policy is not. They cannot attack our policy, so they attack us. Peck said half a million children have died in Iraq as a result of the continuing sanctions. Compare that to 60,000 people who died in Hiroshima.
[CTRL] Biophysical Warfare - The Mind Has No Firewalls
http://www.rense.com/general17/biophysicalwarfare.htm Biophysical Warfare - The Mind Has No Firewalls By Tim Rifat 12-10-1 The US Army War College published an article called The Mind has no Firewalls, sent to me by Harlan Gerrard - America's leading mind control expert - who asked me to comment on the American military's drive to dominate the mind. It is well known that microwave mind control using the TETRA system, based on CIA mind control research, is in the process of turning the UK into matrix-land. The 30,000 plus transmitters will zombify the population and police, and dissidents can be terminated by implanting them with Digital Angel and using computer controlled microwave weapons targeted on their home, street, shopping mall, car, trains-to covertly kill all subversives. Unfortunately for the US military and NATO controlling the mind does not end with microwaves and ELF. This is just the beginning of a new series of weapons which target the mind. Since the mind resides in the biophysical field and the brain is just wet-ware which runs holographic AI (Artificial Intelligence) programmes, the new cutting edge of 21st Century strategic warfare will in involve targeting and elimination of the enemy's biophysical field (mind) so that the wetware - brain - has no firewalls for the mind (biophysical field) and can be taken over and/or destroyed by the biophysical field of a remote influencing adept. The development of remote viewing using Soviet protocols can enable remote influencing adepts to scan the minds of the NSA and find out, in detail, the secrets of their research into anti-gravity, inertialess drives, beam weapons-Since the NSA use mind controlled psychics who have been implanted and subject to severe trauma to cause a multiple personality, targeting the chip in the NSA remote viewing zombies renders these creatures inoperable; one can also project into these creatures' minds false remote viewing images so they see what you want them to see - they enter a 'Matrix' where you are the AI. The NSA are therefore totally vulnerable to having their biophysical fields destroyed and their wet-ware filled with the biophysical worms similar to those found on Microsoft's software. The result of this is that no secret US arsenal is a secret and that by using the fact that the mind has no firewall, one can control the NSA and make them act and think in total synchrony with the matrix that has been imprinted upon them. The Russians have released information that the West is dominated by a clique of ultra-rich financiers whose network is around $300 trillion. Conspiracy experts point the finger at the Rothschilds amongst others, be that as it may - the author keeps his own council on who they may be - this group that owns through the Western multinationals, Federal Reserve, Bank of England, World Bank and International Monetary Fund, gives opposing forces superb leverage if they can use biophysical warfare on the handful of families who own the West. By remote viewing these families, one can destroy their biophysical fields and impregnate their wet-ware (brain) with a host of biophysical viruses and worms so that they destroy the West, which they own, by presumptive action and foolish aggression whose outcome the remote influencing adepts can finally control via the matrix within which they can entrap this elite. Countries such as Russia, which worship the dollar, can extort the $300 trillion by systematically remotely killing these elite to frighten them into transferring their money. Research by scientists has found that the heart is controlled by a part of the brain which, when damaged, causes heart attacks. Implanting biophysical worms destroys this brain centre and can cause heart attacks in the victim; similarly, the use of telekinesis can be used to burst capillaries in the elites' brains to cause massive cerebral haemorrhages. If this was not bad enough, the biophysical field has as a component the morphogenic field which controls all aspects of DNA synthesis transcription and morphogenesis; targeting the DNA using morphogenic aspects, one can induce oncogenes into the elite to be switched on, giving them cancer, or one can dismantle their immune system to give them AIDS-like diseases. The morphogenic field can also reconform the isomers of prions, so one can give the elite new forms of Creutzfeldt Jacob Disease and/or Alzheimer's. Their families can be targeted by changing their DNA so they become subject to any hereditary disease you wish and they can be made sterile, so the elite dies out. Biophysical warfare, is therefore, the most effective way of strategically dominating the West. Russia, China and India are not ruled by a handful of people and can therefore survive, if the US and NATO had the knowledge of a counter-offensive targeted at their top people, new people would just take the reigns of power. In the West there has been a millennia-long drive of a small
[CTRL] Fwd: The View from Inside the CIA
---BeginMessage--- Our intelligence people have become too concerned with individual rights ... (!) =-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2001/Dec-10-Mon-2001/news/17598914.html Las Vegas Review-Journal Monday, December 10, 2001 Experts: Intelligence work forever changed Sept. 11 called 'total failure' of nation's law enforcement By GLENN PUIT REVIEW-JOURNAL A little more than a week ago, one of the nation's top officials from the Central Intelligence Agency sat in the Marie Callender's restaurant at Decatur Boulevard and Flamingo Road. The man, in suit and tie, is the CIA's Los Angeles station chief. Accompanying him were two other suit-clad agents. And in front of the CIA officers was a room packed with their intelligence-gathering colleagues. What were they all doing here? Was it to discuss the war in Afghanistan? To protect us from domestic terrorism? To sample the razzleberry pie? Not quite. The three were here to make a speech to a local group of intelligence officers. The Review-Journal, although invited to the event, in the end was not allowed to sit in on the speech. This was, after all, the CIA. But recently, four of the men who were in the closed meeting spoke with the Review-Journal about what they foresee will be the forever changed role of intelligence gathering given the events of Sept. 11. They are all members of the Las Vegas chapter of the National Intelligence and Counterintelligence Association, an organization of intelligence officers from the military, law enforcement and security communities who now are trying to educate the public on the vital role intelligence gathering plays. The four Southern Nevada residents -- Paddy Ryan, Jim Murphy, Gregg Schiffbauer and H.G. Gibson -- are long-retired intelligence officers who once gathered information about national security for the federal government. To this day, they will not discuss much of the specifics of what they did. Gibson said he is an ex-Marine and pilot who flew spy missions for the government. The retired airlines pilot gathered intelligence for the State Department. Murphy was a naval aviator and reservist who helped gather intelligence on Soviet ships and submarines in the Atlantic Ocean during the Cold War. Schiffbauer, another reservist, said he gathered government intelligence in the late 1960s, while Ryan gathered international intelligence for the State Department. Ryan is also the former director of international relations for the Port of New Orleans. I feel what happened on September 11 was a total failure all the way around the law enforcement and intelligence communities, Ryan said, adding that he feels political correctness has gotten in the way of securing crucial information. Our intelligence people have become too concerned with individual rights, he said. The four said the U.S. intelligence community has relied too heavily on technology and that there is a need to go back to the old-fashioned way of spying and gathering intelligence, which means using human sources and engaging in undercover operations. It's not necessarily a science, Schiffbauer said. It's a process of listening to people. Murphy said there already are indications that organizations such as the CIA and the National Security Agency are working hard to communicate better with the Justice Department, FBI and other domestic law enforcement agencies. In the past, every (agency) has wanted to be the hero, Murphy said. There has been no communication. Each of the men has spent a great deal of time abroad and agreed that there is a stunning amount of ignorance on the part of Americans when it comes to understanding cultures other than their own. U.S. citizens need to do a much better job of educating themselves as to how they are viewed globally, they said. The reality is, most people in the world do not like us, Gibson said. The actions of Americans when they are overseas is one reason for that, Murphy said. Most people, when they travel outside of the country, are simply not sensitive enough to the complexities of foreign cultures. Ryan said U.S. foreign policy is also partly to blame for the anger, as it has been aimed largely at satisfying the country's short-term needs, often through the financing of foreign governments. The four provided numerous examples of this approach in the past, including the financing of governments in Saudi Arabia and aid given to Saddam Hussein in Iraq during that nation's war with Iran. Instead, America needs to take an approach of doing what is best for the people of a particular nation instead of doing what is best for those in power, Ryan said. If you are going to do something for another nation, be consistent and don't just do it for their government, Gibson said. Do it for the interests of the people. Ryan said such hatred of Americans helps fuel extremist actions against the United States. This is where the intelligence community is highly valuable. Simply put, it is the
[CTRL] ILLUMINATI RITUAL ALIGNMENTS
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html ILLUMINATI RITUAL ALIGNMENTS Mon Dec 10 20:53:42 2001 ILLUMINATI RITUAL ALIGNMENTS The purpose of this site is to show that major world events, headline news and the entire NASA Space Program - although they may appear to happen as random events - are in fact orchestrated from 'behind the scenes' by a secret group known as the Illuminati - the 'enlightened ones', whose goal is the complete control of the planet and the subjugation of the masses. As these events take place, key stars and other astronomical bodies which represent their Gods, are at specific altitudes above/below or on the horizon when viewed from 'sacred temple' sites here on Earth, the Moon and Mars. These are hereafter known as ILLUMINATI RITUAL ALIGNMENTS. GO HERE FOR FULL STORY: http://www.illuminati-ritual-alignments.com/welcome_nn4.html They own everything. Banks, Oil, Media, Stock Markets, Military, Intelligence Community, Presidents, Governments, the lot. If they want something to happen, it will. Not only will it happen, but it will happen on schedule, at a predetermined point in time. My results should prove that. Their plan: complete domination - of you. The New World Order. It is a plan to control the world under a One World Government, with them at the top. This also includes a one world army, police, judiciary, currency and religion. Think Big Brother, 1984. It would be a Global Totalitarian State, Communism in full effect. You will earn your right to live. NWO Citizens will have to contribute to society. Don't have a job? You'll be given a job...in one of their nice 'work camps'. The ones with watchtowers and machine guns. Still can't make a contribution? Maybe you're a career criminal, you're psychologically unbalanced, or just refuse to play along. Then say goodbye. They'll chop off your head and use your organs to keep people who do contribute alive. Think that couldn't happen? Read more. Someone's got plans for us. There are US Patents for mind control devices and 'Chemtrails' over the western world. Tracking devices, linked to the GPS network, will let them know exactly where you are at any given time. Their control of the media and TV networks allows them to pump propaganda directly into your living room 24 hours a day. The mass media is one of the most effective mind control operations in history. They control the information you receive and are therefore able to control you; by keeping you ignorant of all the facts, telling you only what they want you to know to suit their own needs. Remember Kosovo? - practically everyday you'd see video footage of a missile hitting its target with pinpoint accuracy, striking a blow for freedom and democracy etc etc. What they didn't tell you at the time was that this was a fairly rare occurrence. Over a third of missiles fired missed their targets, many causing civilian casulties. By showing you this footage, they were trying to justify the whole thing, show that the enemy were no match for their superior technology (like the F117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter the Serbians shot down (the aircraft they tell us that doesn't show up on radar)) and that they would win the day. Read the news now and see what's going on in the area. Some victory. Unfortunately, too many people blindly accept the information they get, believing that the media wouldn't lie - they can be trusted. One of the reasons governments are trying to regulate or control the Internet these days is because information is everywhere and they can't stop you getting to it (yet). People are able to communicate on a global scale and can find information previously inaccessible. Devices such as the FBI 'Carnivore' (now known as DCS1000 - sounds less threatening) or laws such as the Regulation of Investigatory Powers in the UK are their attempts to enforce their control. The Illuminati don't like people thinking for themselves. The New World Order is almost here. It is currently known as the United Nations. I don't really have time to detail everything here, but it is extremely important that you research some of the U.N. laws, charters and programs for yourself. U.N. law is now the supreme law, over-riding those of nation states. There are plans to disarm the global population and reduce national defence capabilities (downsizing of armed forces, reduction of weapon stockpiles etc). The only group with the weapons would be the U.N. They have international courts now, as well as a religion. The rest is close at hand. The scariest thing I've read is the terms 'valid' and 'in-valid' when referring to people. A 'valid human' has rights (the rights given to them by the U.N.) because they make a contribution to society basically. An 'in-valid' has nothing. A 'valid' can become 'in-valid' if, when exercising his rights, he does something detrimental to the U.N. or any of its institutions. 'Valid' and 'In-Valid' - 'Gattaca' anyone? We will be used as they see fit. If they decide to
Re: [CTRL] Smallpox Vaccines: A Way to Implant America
-Caveat Lector- On 10 Dec 01, at 19:18, William Shannon wrote: Yes, it has been a while since I took medical microbiology and immunology, but if my memory serves me correctly, the vaccine confers lifelong immunity. According to Horowitz's book, *Death In The Air*, some man-made immunizations are liable to fade out and will need renewal. This is contrast to actually catching the disease and them becoming immune. Of course, they don't know for sure either way. They worry so much about smallpox and then there's the 'flu (20K annually) and TB on the rebound. For those things they don't know much for sure about, they sure do make a big deal and then for the things they DO know about, they can't even get enough vaccine for them. It must be easier to raise people's anxiety through the unknown (and possibly BS). They ahve yet to come right out and tell how many expected deaths there will be due to a smallpox epidemic. Not everyone dies; may get pox marx, but not dead. I believe the orginal way of vaccination was to get someone with the disease and then give others a little bit of exposure. This don't hep dem drog companies not much but I'd a-be thinkin' doin' it da natcheral way would be da best, youse know whatch'I meanin'. I went through the real chicken pox, measles and mumps in a short period of time and I'm still mobile after 40+ years. AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Age of Consent
-Caveat Lector- Another interesting way the State legislates morality and mandates its supremacy over the family. Legal Age of Consent http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New Bin Laden (tape) evidence ?
-Caveat Lector- Interesting claims, but not convinced by this report alone - anyone seen this evidence yet ? His estranged wife Sabiha said last night he would order his elder sons to shoot him rather than be captured. Only to shoot ? - this is not the same as to kill. New evidence . he described the damage around the twin towers as greater than expected and praised Allah for the success of the attacks. The damage was greater than most people would have expected - does that imply that anyone making such an exclamation is therfore also involved ? The fresh tape evidence of bin Laden's involvement in the twin towers horror is said to have been found in a private home in Jalalabad. US Vice President Dick Cheney said: He does, in fact, display significant knowledge of what happened and there's no doubt about his responsibility. I hope that there is more than the above allowing him to come to such a conclusion. He shared the information with other guests and some expressed surprise. Again, so did most of us. He told them to stick around and then the second plane hit and they cheered. Most of us were 'glued' to TV and radio sets were we not ? - tho' not cheering. The tape also shows that bin Laden was amused some of the hijackers were unaware it was a suicide mission. I would be interested to know how this interpretation was derived. Anyone seen this tape yet ? T. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Yasser Arafat's speech at OIC meeting
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ---BeginMessage--- ADVERTISEMENT My Groups | southnews Main Page Israel this weekend barred Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat from leaving the West Bank to attend an Organization of the Islamic Conference meeting in Doha, Qatar. His speech was delivered by Dr. Saeb Eriqat, Minister of local Government -- Full text of speech of Yasser Arafat President of the Palestine National Authority at the Emergency Meeting of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the Organization of Islamic Conference In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful Glory to (God) Who did take His Servant For a Journey by night From the Sacred Mosque To the Farthest Mosque, Whose precincts We did Bless, - in order that We Might show him some Of Our Signs: for He Is the One Who hearth And Seeth (all things). Sadaqa Allahu Al-Athim H R H Brother Sheikh Hamad Ben Khalifa Al-Thani, Excellencies, In the name of our Palestinian people, who are gripping the smoldering embers and who are steadfast and stand put in the holy land of steadfastness, the blessed Land of Palestine, I would like to convey my deepest thanks to my brother H R H Sheikh Hamad Ben Khalifa Al-Thani, the Emir of the fraternal State of Qatar, for hosting this ministerial emergency meeting of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC). I would like as well to convey to you all our thanks for your immediate and quick response to our request to hold this important meeting in Doha, the Capital of the fraternal State of Qatar, hosted by and under the patronage of its Emir H R H our brother Seikh Hamad Ben Khalifa Al-Thani. [The aim is] to study and examine the dangerous escalation of the Israeli aggression against our Palestinian people, to adopt the appropriate decisions and resolutions in order to face this blatant aggression which has exceeded all bounds, all things that are sacred or taboo and the ratified agreements. As you know, our Palestinian people and their National Authority are being exposed, for more than fourteen months, to a brutal and vicious Israeli aggression in which all means of killing, terror and Destruction are being employed. This treacherous aggression has entered a very dangerous stage which started with the bombardment by the US- F-15 and F-16 fighter planes and Apache helicopter gun ships, tanks, missiles and machine-guns, even the internationally prohibited weapons such as depleted uranium and various types of gas bombs. This has inflicted upon our people, women, children and men, a large number of martyrs and wounded which reached till now more than 1900 martyrs and 39000 injured, and inflicted upon many of them permanent handicaps. In addition many basic facilities and infrastructures have been destroyed recently, as well as the presidential helicopters, their pads and facilities attached to them, all institutions and facilities of the Palestine National Authority, including schools, buildings, homes, factories, Palestinian National Security and Police stations and headquarters, even a number of prisons in the cities of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Furthermore, the runway of the Gaza International Airport was occupied, destroyed and bulldozed. Its equipment and belongings ware destroyed. In addition new lands of the Palestine National Authority were occupied. The strangulating siege was tightened in all its forms, against our towns, villages and refugee-camps. This has led to the intensification of the plight, pains and sufferings of our people in movement because of the Israeli military checkpoints which have hindered the movement among the Palestinian towns and villages and their surroundings. As a result of that siege there is also a severe shortage in food supplies, necessary medical supplies and fuel. This total siege caused the death of a large number of our sick people at the Israeli military checkpoints because they were forbidden to reach hospitals. It also caused the paralysis of the commercial and economic life as well as that of some schools because our teachers and pupils were forbidden from reaching them. We have incurred losses that exceed US dollars seven billion according to international statistics in the various sector and fields. This forewarns of the unfolding of a catastrophe to our people which no one can forecast its consequences. In addition they have blocked the revenues of our taxes and financial claims which total more than US 800 million (eight hundred million). Your Highness, Your Excellencies, As you know, we in the Palestine National Authority are committed to our obligation vis-à-vis the peace process. We have not hesitated even for a moment to provide all facilities and to create the appropriate atmosphere for this peace process to continue, and to reach the
[CTRL] In Midst of War Drive,Israel's Economy Falls
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2847israel_econ.html This article appears in the December 7, 2001 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. In Midst of War Drive, Israel's Economy Falls by Dean Andromidas When he came to power, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon launched a bloody campaign to force the collapse of the Palestinian Authority. After a year of closures and sieges against the Palestinian towns and cities, the fragile and impoverished Palestinian economy has been brought to its knees. But Israel's own economy is undergoing its worst crisis in nearly 20 years, with no recovery in sight. Well on the way to collapse, the economy could prove the Achilles' heel of Sharon and his generals. With all economic indicators for the third quarter far worse than expected—including record unemployment, negative growth rates, collapse of entire sectors of the economy, and widespread labor unrest—Israel is now officially in "recession." Hopefully this economic crisis will drive home to Israelis the existential imperative of peace through development in the Middle East. Lyndon LaRouche's Oasis Plan for the region, could shape initiatives not only to forestall war, but even to allow the Middle East to become a powerful focal point for regional economic development: expanding and developing the region's water resources, and building a system of regional infrastructure that could turn the Middle East into the "Land-Bridge" between Eurasia and Africa. Reality Shock The release of the disastrous economic figures for the third quarter, along with widespread labor unrest in the past weeks, have created a reality shock for most Israelis. The causes are the state of low-intensity war, and the collapse of the global economy. Sharon is fully culpable for the first, and incapable of dealing with the second. Labor strikes swept the country in late November, bringing various sectors of the economy to a standstill. A four-week strike at the National Insurance Institute left the vast majority of Israel's pensioners without their monthly stipends. An airport customs workers strike created more chaos at Ben-Gurion International than a bomb scare. The four-week strike of lecturers closed Israel's leading university; employees of the Labor and Social Affairs Ministry and firefighters are striking. Things could get worse if the government cannot broker a tripartite agreement with labor and the private sector, to establish an economic "recovery" program, including a wage freeze and job-creation programs. If an agreement is not reached by Dec. 21, the entire public sector could strike, says the Histadrut labor federation. The labor unrest is driven by high unemployment. The Israeli Bureau of Statistics (CBS) reports that official unemployment has reached 234,500 for the third quarter—a rate of 9.3%. The Finance Ministry and the Bank of Israel central bank expect over 10% unemployment by the first quarter of 2002. If those who have given up looking for work are included, the jobless figure would be at least 350,000 now. Unemployment is particularly high among new immigrants (11.5%) and among Israeli Arabs (24%). But there is also a serious problem of underemployment, as witnessed by a 13% increase in the number of part-time workers. In a country where one in every five families, and one in every four children, lives below the poverty line, this unemployment, combined with high levels of anxiety about the security situation, can have a socially explosive effect. Industry Falls Across The Board But even these government figures are rose-colored. Israel's Manufacturers Association has warned that by the end of the year, 14,000 layoffs can be expected in the industrial sector, which at the current level of 398,500, is Israel's second largest employer. Since the collapse of the Nasdaq bubble in the United States, more than 150,000 jobs have been lost in Israel's "high-tech" sector. Industrial production is expected to shrink by 4% this year compared with last, according to the CBS. The number of employees in the industrial sector will drop by 3.5%, while work hours per employee will drop by 4.5%. The sharpest fall is in electronics, aircraft, and pharmaceuticals, which combined have experienced a 26% drop in production. Still harder hit is tourism, which normally brings in $2 billion annually, which shrank by 51% from 2000 to 2001. Charter flights are gone; even regularly scheduled flights have been cut back, as passengers are now only Israelis. Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI), Israel's most important aerospace corporation, saw its profits collapse as a direct result of the Intifada and the downturn in the global aviation industry. European and American companies cancelled the transfer of planned projects to Israel, and international companies cancelled transfers of aircraft for maintenance, concerned that their aircraft could be targetted for attack, if war breaks out in the region. Israel's GDP shrank 2.8% in the
Re: [CTRL] New Bin Laden (tape) evidence ?
-Caveat Lector- Well Tony they are now discussing whether to release this tape. The tape is meaningless - voices can be dubbed, splicing anything. My old friend Gordon Novel was a genius at splicing, etc. tapesthe one tape they had of bin Laden, made no such claim but, different interpretors gave different meanings to the message. Gordon also was CIA black bag man - and robbed the Schlumberger munitions along with others for CIA...and got caught. He used to play tapes to me of Bill Colby and Secord - and knows all about EVERGREEN...this keep him alive. He said the Mafia is more honest than the BATFthey set up people for crimes and put it all together these people have to be gotten in line and put in their place. What is the big worry? Hey, the internet is challenging some of this stuff and today this one spokesman made reference to it. People are now beginning to think and as the say connect the dots These tapes are worthless as evidence.tell me from whence they came? They need to get off the hook because these people know who did what and OSAMA BIN LADEN DID NOT PULL OFF THE TWIN TOWER JOB..the same secret society that murdered JFK, RFK and sabotaged the Apollo did - masonic stuff and whose renegade lodge? Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE SCORE SO FAR: MOSCOW 10; WASHINGTON 2
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! THE SCORE SO FAR: MOSCOW 10; WASHINGTON 2 Eric S. Margolis, 2001 December 10, 2001 What has the US achieved after waging war for the past two months in Afghanistan? Afghanistan's de facto government, Taliban, with about 30,000 armed supporters, has been overthrown and scattered. After holding out for five weeks under massive US bombardments, its leader, Mullah Omar, ordered his men to retreat to the mountains. Omar, who may be shortly captured or killed, claimed he ordered the retreat to spare civilians in Taliban-ruled areas from US bombing. Kandahar, the last Taliban stronghold, was shattered by intensive US bombing. To date, the US has dropped over 10,000 bombs on Afghanistan, killing sizeable numbers of civilians - perhaps in the range of 2,000, according to Afghan sources. US bombing of cities, towns and villages has driven over 160,000 people into refugee camps. On December 3rd, 2000 - one year ago - this writer warned that overthrowing Taliban would `pave the way for a second Russian occupation of Afghanistan.' This has now happened. The Northern Alliance, armed and funded by Russia, directed by the Afghan Communist Party, and under the overall command of the Chief of the Russian General Staff, Marshall Viktor Kvashnin, deputy KGB director Viktor Komogorov, and a cadre of Russian advisors, seized Kabul and all of northern Afghanistan, likely with the aid of troops from Uzbekistan and/or Iran. Bush committed a major, inexcusable blunder. If this writer could foresee Russian intervention, why didn't the White House? Last week's much ballyhooed Afghan `unity' conference in Germany produced a sham `coalition' government run by the Northern Alliance. One of CIA's Pushtun `assets,' Hamid Karzai, who represents no one but himself, was named prime minister. There was no other real Pushtun representation, though they comprise half the population. Of thirty cabinet seats, two thirds went to Northern Alliance Tajiks, notably the power ministries: defense, interior, and foreign affairs. Two women were added for window dressing to please the west. The 87-year old deposed Afghan king, Zahir Shah, widely blamed for allowing the communists to infiltrate Afghanistan in the 1970's, was invited back as a figurehead monarch. In short, a communist-dominated regime, ruled by a king, whose strings are pulled by Moscow. Quite a bizarre creation. The very next day, feuding broke among Alliance members. Old communist stalwart Rashid Dostam, who had just finished massacring hundreds of Taliban prisoners with American and British help, threatened war if his Uzbeks did not get more spoils. My old friend, the Alliance's figurehead president, Prof. Rabbani, a respected Islamic scholar, was shoved aside by young communists. The Bush Administration was apparently too preoccupied chasing Osama bin Laden to notice its new best friend, Russia, had broken its agreement to wait for formation of a pro-US, pro-Pakistani regime, and seized half of Afghanistan. Marshall Kvashnin rushed his men into Kabul, just as he outfoxed the Americans in 1999 in a similar coup de main in Kosovo. The hunt for bin Laden and his al-Qaida continues. Two senior Qaida figures have been killed: Mohammed Atef and, mosy likely, Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of Egypt's Islamic Jihad. The net is closing around bin Laden's possible hiding places. Unless he has escaped Afghanistan, his capture or death appear imminent. This will be welcome news for the Bush Administration. If bin Laden somehow escapes, or his body never found, Bush will be accused of blowing apart Afghanistan, killing large numbers of civilians, and allowing the Russians to grab back the country, all for nothing. The late Pushtun leader Abdul Haq, whom I knew from my Peshawar days, warned the US before his death that bombing of Afghanistan was unnecessary and a grave mistake. Taliban control could be broken, where needed, by financing tribal uprisings - the standard form of Afghan warfare -without foreign intervention. Otherwise, he warned, the Northern Alliance would take over and bring in the Russians. He pleaded with Washington for restraint, but to no avail. Haq was captured by Taliban during a bungled CIA operation and hanged. But Haq was right. US forces could have hunted bin Laden in southern Afghanistan with relative impunity, as they are now doing, without having to launch a total war against Taliban. US air power totally dominates barren Afghanistan. Taliban forces could not move or communicate. There were only a small number of Taliban fighters in southern Afghanistan where bin Laden was hiding. Bombing Afghan civilian centers was absolutely unnecessary. The only real military targets offered by Taiban were its entrenched troops facing the Alliance. It was remarkable that Taliban managed to withstand five weeks of carpet bombing by US B-52's - particularly, as one columnist in
[CTRL] 4 - The Religious Roundtable, The Moral Majority, and The Council for National Policy
-Caveat Lector- The Moral Majority According to the modern prophets of privatization, Bible doctrine is expendable, but no one may question the doctrine of unbridled capitalism. Any who go there are labeled socialists in the worst sense of the term. Forgetting that Christ drove the moneychangers from His temple, one prophet, Willard Garvey, shamelessly named the Lord Jesus among the founders of Republican government and proponents of privatization! Privatization is documented in the enclosed paper from the Heritage Foundation and dates back at least to Adam Smith, Plato, Aristotle and Jesus. . .Privatization might well be the theme for the 200th anniversary of the Constitution. Privatization is essential for national salvation. To attain national salvation, the prophets of privatization determined to build a voting bloc to support their agenda. In 1976, direct-mail fundraising genius of the New Right, Richard Viguerie, was accompanied to the 1976 convention of the American Independent Party by three leaders of the New Right with equally doubtful connections: William Rusher, editor of CFR member William F. Buckley's National Review. Paul Weyrich, founder of the Heritage and Free Congress Foundation, who employed Fabianist/British race scientist Roger Pearson of the World Anti-Communist League, the multinational network of Nazi war criminals, Latin American death squad leaders and North American neo-fascists. Weyrich presently employs top U.S. Fabianist Sir Peter Vickers Hall and ex-Nazi collaborator Laszlo Pasztor. Howard Phillips, who founded The Conservative Caucus (TCC) at the direction of 33º Mason, Jesse Helms on whose staff he worked. TCC has an interlocking directorate (Phillips served on advisory board) with the United States Council for World Freedom (USCWF) of the WACL. Phillips also proposed the name for Buckley's Young Americans for Freedom and served on its board of directors. At the AIP convention, Viguerie presented himself as a candidate for the Presidential nomination of the party of George Wallace, a coalition that included elements of the Ku Klux Klan, John Birchers and operatives of Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby. When Viguerie's bid for the nomination failed, the New Right leaders turned their energies to creating a hard right voting bloc within the Republican Party. By 1978, Weyrich's PAC helped sweep into Congress a new, radical breed of populist conservatives. The most notable, it turned out, was a brash, young man from Georgia named Newt Gingrich [33º Mason, CFR] whom Weyrich had trained years earlier at a campaign seminar in Milwaukee. Finally, on the verge of realizing his right-wing utopia Weyrich harvested what his friend Morton Blackwell termed 'the greatest track of virgin timber on the political landscape': evangelicals. 26. In 1979, Robert Billings of the National Christian Action Coalition and Free Congress Foundation invited the Rev. Jerry Falwell to a meeting with Phillips, Viguerie, Weyrich and Ed McAteer, a retired advertising executive. Their agenda now was to influence the GOP party platform for the 1980 election. Weyrich proposed that if the Republican Party would take a strong stand against abortion, the large Catholic voting bloc within the Democratic Party would be split. At this meeting, the term Moral Majority was coined to represent the ecumenical bloc of voters that would be led by the Rev. Falwell, who pledged to turn this (country) into a Christian nation. The Coors family, which funds abortion and gay rights causes (having made their fortune from the manufacture and sale of beer), generously funded the Moral Majority and built the headquarters building for Paul Weyrich's organizations, the Heritage Foundation and Free Congress Foundation. During the Reagan Administration, the Heritage Foundation served as almost a shadow government with Joe Coors' Kitchen Cabinet setting up offices within the Executive Office Building. During its first year, the Reagan administration adopted fully two-thirds of the recommendations of Heritage's Mandate for Leadership: Policy Management in a Conservative Administration. Working with the main architects and commanding generals of the New Right was also John T. (Terry) Dolan co-founder and national chairman of the 300,000-member National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), the largest conservative political action committee in terms of spending and influence including Jesse Helms' Congressional Club which was a client of NCPAC. Weyrich, Viguerie and Dolan are Catholic; Phillips is Jewish but claims to have converted to Christianity. Terry Dolan was a homosexual who died of AIDS in 1986. In his expose of the New Right, God's Bullies, Perry Deane Young comments on the religious makeup of the New Right leadership: A fundamentalist is generally defined as one who believes in adult baptism,...in a literal interpretation of the bible, and in being 'reborn' or 'born again' through a personal experience
Re: [CTRL] US casualties, Many Documents Not Declassified
-Caveat Lector- excerpt from http://www.gvnews.net/html/WorldReacts/alert488.html Global Crisis: News U.S. Casualties Greater Than Pentagon Reports By Andrei Sukhozhilov - Institute for War and Peace Reporting KHANABAD, Dec. 7, 2001 -- Scores of U.S. soldiers wounded in Afghanistan have been arriving at the Khanabad air base in southern Uzbekistan - far more than Pentagon reports suggest. A staging post for special forces' and humanitarian missions into Afghanistan, the base has become busy with another task - receiving increasing numbers of Americans wounded in the fighting. Uzbek sources at Khanabad suggest that the real figures of US casualties are far higher than the Pentagon's official totals. This IWPR reporter, who smuggled himself onto the facility on December 2, witnessed soldiers scrambling to meet an incoming US helicopter. They lifted out five wounded men on stretchers and loaded them into waiting vehicles. Uzbek army personnel working at the air base said scores of US casualties have been arriving there. From November 25 to Decemeber 2, an Uzbek orderly working with American medical staff said he had witnessed the arrival of four to five US helicopters - carrying between them 10-15 American casualties - each day. excerpt from http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011206/pl/government_secrecy_1.html Thursday December 6 9:12 PM ET Report: Many Documents Not Declassified WASHINGTON (AP) - About 526 million pages of secret government documents subject to automatic declassification laws have not been released, according to a government report released Thursday. The Information Security Oversight Office also found that the government dramatically slowed the declassification of secret documents during fiscal year 2000. During that period, the government released 75 million pages of secret documents, down from 127 million pages during the previous 12 months. The fiscal year begins on Oct. 1. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Music and death USA : Cointelpro
---BeginMessage--- Y'know one would think that the man who is given the credit for inventing hip hop would, as he is black, stand up to the cartel and admin. But this dude has a track record of, in suit standing in line with other US musicians waiting for the Pres of the disgraced Soka Gakkai, to set foot on earth from out of his plane. This dude's name is Herbie Hancock. And he is a Buddhist (of sorts) .. Listening to music from the 1960's-70's I am left wondering where the outrageous revolutionary perverted dangerous subversive element was or was that just advertising. Heterosexual love songs, naturalistic poetry, antipathy for war which is hell, fewer sexual overtones than Nixon's hip gyrating Elvis. Jimi Hendrix would do for nursery rhymes now, compared to all the twisted pop now, such as CIA-op NVN(nigger-versus-nigger crime) misogynist rap. Cartel is cartel at the top. http://www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/6444/dbw.html Veteran Black Panther and 19-year political prisoner Dhoruba Bin Wahad (formerly Richard Moore) won his freedom in 1990 after a New York State judge found that the FBI had suppressed evidence...his newly organized Black Coalition on Drugs, he advocates decriminalization and harm reduction strategies. After 19 years in prison--seven of them in solitary confinement ...hard drugs, heroin--were introduced into the African- American community for political reasons, to control, to misdirect and ultimately to defuse the development of revolutionary consciousness...it was revealed that the FBI had carried out this massive COINTELPRO in the African- American community...it was white males who controlled the music industry that made gangsta rap--the misogynist rap, the homophobic rap--the type of rap that was popular. They didn't gravitate towards the positive rap, because most of the positive rap was black nationalist. This genre of rap was completely ignored. And it was activists who had a problem with misogynist rap. It was activists--myself and others--who had a problem with homophobic and reactionary rap, and criticized the rappers for this. And it was only after the rappers began to respond to us in a positive way, to search out images of Malcolm and the Black Panther Party, that the black bourgeoisie started talking about how they weren't gonna take it no more and black clergy led demonstrations against rap, and some of the major black stations started banning rap. http://www.theaterartaud.org/uprising.htm Robert King Wilkerson, One of the Angola Three, a Black Panther who spent 30 years in solitary confinement at Angola State Prison. The longest solitary confinement of any group of political prisoners in the United States -- I also believe they killed Tupac for this very reason that he could uniteblacks and lead them with a very powerful message, remember his mother is Afeni shakur who was a member of the Black Panther Party and who represented herself in the NY21 case; his father figure, Mutulu Shakur a member of the Republic of New Afrika, is in Atlanta Federal Pen for political crimes; Tupac sang songs that glorified Huey Newton, Geronimo Pratt, and Mutulu. That is, in between the stuff they told him to write in order to keep his recording contract. Also, blacks don't own the Hip Hop music product. They are used like chattel by the Hip Hop music executives and not one of them is black. There is a reason that black music has stretched so far from its roots--the blues and jazz and rock and roll to the crap they want our kids to believe is his future role in America. I want children to see that there's more for them that what they are prescribing. Also, in the original COINTELPRO documents, the last point is about denying young blacks an opportunity to come together and form a coalition that would last until their adulthood. In other words, destroy any opportunity for activism within the black youth. They were vitally afraid of black/white coalitions. Tupac, again, represented the ability to bring blacks together with a powerful freedom message, and to rally whites to that message. Therefore, he was the next MLK, and they had written in their documents that they would not allow another MLK to rise. They = US Government. --- mihra.org/2k [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---End Message---
Re: [CTRL] The 'Black Banshee', Commie Mary Frances Berry
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/01 3:52:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, sure. Let's talk about the military vote. Every overseas unit has a voting officer. It is this guy's job to get out the absentee ballots and instruct all the voters in their use. It is his business to get them in on time and sent out on time. If the military vote didn't get counted properly, it was because these voting officers are incompetent people picked by incompetent superiors. The U.S. Supreme Court made hay while the sun shone. And if anything fishy should be canned, it's our so called Supreme Court. Prudy Not completely correct, Prudy. The federal government failed to distribute ballots to voting officers in many locations overseas. This was done under the Klinton administration, a democratic regime. This was reported in the mass media at the time and in E-Mail posts. You are still picking on the wrong supreme court. The Florida supreme court tried valintly to make hay by rewriting the existing Florida Law and got slapped down for it by the Supreme Court of the United States. BHoward LogicâA means of terrifing liberals A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The 'Black Banshee', Commie Mary Frances Berry
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/01 9:17:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not completely correct, Prudy. The federal government failed to distribute ballots to voting officers in many locations overseas. This was done under the Klinton administration, a democratic regime. This was reported in the mass media at the time and in E-Mail posts. Not true. The ballots were there and even in many cases delivered to the APOs. They just weren't sent out. It doesn't matter what administration is in charge. The voting officers are always responsible to handle the matter, and if the ballots were not available, it is the responsibility of the voting officer and the commanders to get them there. Amazingly, getting blank forms does not require action from any president. . Had there been a shortage, it would have been headlines from coast to coast. It was a crooked election all right, but it was the Republicans who were letting Republicans do anything they wanted to, and telling the black citizens that they couldn't go in because their names were on some list. It was the Harris/Bush method of voting. It was interesting too how many of those Holocaust survivors were counted as voting for Pat Buchanan. It doesn't matter; it's done; the Bush family and their crooked Supreme Court worked the American voters over very cleverly. That's an interesting team there. They care nothing for the Constitution, and nothing for the Bill of Rights. They don't care about the American people either. I wonder who will pick the president next time. It sure won't be the voters. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Sharon Refuses Hamas,Islamic Jihad Peace Offer : Says He Won't Stop Ass...
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: Subject: Sharon Refuses Hamas, Islamic Jihad Peace Offer : Says He Won't Stop Assasinating Their Leadership ; Islamic Association of Palestine Press Release Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:36:16 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sharon Refuses Hamas, Islamic Jihad Peace Offer Says He Won't Stop Assasinating Their Leadership 12/10/2001 9:36:16 AM Islamic Association of Palestine Press Release Jerusalem, Occupied Palestine -- Assalamu'alaikum, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah offer truce, Sharon says No by Khalid Amayreh Occupied Jerusalem: 10 December, 2001 (IAP News) http://www.iap.org The main Palestinian resistance groups have offered to suspend attacks inside 1948 Palestine (Israel) if the Israeli occupation army and paramilitary Jewish terrorists agree in return to stop assassinating Palestinian citizens and end tank and aerial bombardment of Palestinian population centers. The two main Islamic organizations Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, as well as Fatah, headed by Yasser Arafat, said in a joint leaflet widely circulated in the West Bank and Gaza Strip that their offer was meant to deprive the Israeli government of dividing the Palestinian ranks and undermining national unity. We are giving the Zionist enemy a period to stop its assassinations, destruction, murder and bombardment of Palestinian population centers. In return we will stop our martyrdom and armed attacks within the borders of the occupied land of 1948 during this period which will begin as of midnight December 10 until the end of the month of Ramadan. The offer was rejected outright by the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon. Oooh. Those terrorists are in deep doodooo now. Wait, let me take my shoes and socks off so I can count better. Let's see... Suicide bombers + targeted assassinations = Hmmm... only a few thousand in Hamas. I don't know how many in Islamic Jihad but I'm sure they won't be much of a problem for long either as soon as they start killing each other off. Don't ya just love these guys? Best friends Ariel Sharon ever had. J2 A senior Israeli official was quoted as saying that Israel will continue to fight terrorism no matter what. The apartheid Israeli regime considers all forms of Palestinian resistance of Israel's colonial occupation of Palestinian land as terrorism while calling its own state-sponsored terror against Palestinians legitimate self-defense. Observers in Palestine suggest that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, a certified war criminal himself with a long history of heaping death and destruction on the Palestinian people, is not really interested in reducing the level of violence in Palestine as this would shift attention to the political problems pertaining to the Israeli occupation. On Sunday, US envoy Anthony Zinni threatened to leave Palestine and return home if progress in security talks between the two sides was not made. Zinni reportedly made his threat after another meeting between Israeli and PA officials ended without any results. According to Palestinian sources the Israeli government was refusing to end the military siege of Palestinian towns and villages which observers have pointed out reduced the population centers to virtual concentration camps. Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!) (Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smallpox Vaccines: A Way to Implant America
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/01 6:50:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They ahve yet to come right out and tell how many expected deaths there will be due to a smallpox epidemic. Not everyone dies; may get pox marx, but not dead. I've read in a couple of places that the mortality rate for smallpox is about 30%. http://www.slu.edu/colleges/sph/bioterrorism/quick/smallpox01.pdf Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [Fwd: on Israeli Terrorism --j2
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: Subject: [Fwd: on Israeli Terrorism [update]] Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:42:56 -0700 From: American Patriot Friends Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: http://www.apfn.org/old/apfncont.htm To: APFN Yahoogroups [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Somebody has done a lot of research for you! Please study the info provided and share with you email friends! Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse. - -Mark Twain. Incredible media power http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=12986 Original Message Subject: on Israeli Terrorism [update] Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:00:21 -0800 (PST) From: eric stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Stewart and Bilbo Shannon. Two liars for the price of one. When are you clowns getting engaged? You can post this drivel to Patriot Friends Network because they are used to swallowing bullshit. But Eric 50% of your stuff has already been discredited on this list. Are you just stupid? Or don't you pay attention? U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ). http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170072.html True A Muslim sheikh living in England commenting during a BBC news broadcast added that 40 Jewish Pentagon staff members did not show up for work on 11 September. The sheikh said it would not surprise him if it was discovered that the Mossad (the Israeli secret service) was behind the attacks. http://www.thisiscyberia.com/NewsCenter/article.asp?ID=196628 ridiculous. Israeli Lobby Intimidating Journalists Into Misinforming Public http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1417 Probably true. Sharon to Peres: don't worry about American pressure We Control America http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1419 Need proof he actually said it in public. Did Israel Assassinate 34 Egyptian Generals In 1999? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1420 Good question. Israeli Lobby Planted Phony Story About Palestinians Were Celebrating The Attack http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/archives/lsn20010915175051.html This is an outright lie. Shannon KNOWS this is an outright lie. This makes him a liar who purveys disinfo on this list. Do you people like being lied to on a consistent basis? I have the footage of Palestinians celebrating FROM 3 DIFFERENT SOURCES of US and foreign news orgs. Jewish anti-Zionist organizations http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agentsmiley/message/1288 Five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described as puzzling behavior following the terror attack on the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday. http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=7442. OOHH. Puzzling behavior. Scary. With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks. http://indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=65153 Ha ha ha ha ha ha. After the suicide bombing attacks at the weekend, carried out by Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which left 34 people dead and around 200 injured, Israel unleashed its military might against Palestinian security posts in Gaza and Cisjordan. The result was three people dead, one of them a child, and 150 injured, 60 of whom were schoolchildren. The Israeli authorities claimed that these attacks were part of the foreseen operations against Palestinian targets. http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/12/06/22993.html All these numbers come from the Palestinian press. They lie ALL the time. OK. This is getting tedious now. You know Eric, pilling up a load of bullshit links doesn't make you much of a researcher. Your starting to look like Shannon and Saba. That's not a good thing. J2 NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK
Re: [CTRL] The 'Black Banshee', Commie Mary Frances Berry
-Caveat Lector- of course the problems were in mainly democratic areas the republicans didn't need to fix the areas they were going to win anyway Free your mind and your ass will follow. St George NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:52:14 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The 'Black Banshee', Commie Mary Frances Berry It was the democratic controlled counties that were mainly responsible for cheating blacks out of their votes. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Northwoods: Top U.S. Military Plan for Terror to Justify War
---BeginMessage--- This is being sent on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] as part of the mailing list that you joined. List: emperorsclothes URL: http://www.emperors-clothes.com URL for this article: http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-int.htm Join our email list at http://emperors-clothes.com/f.htm. Receive about one article/day. Please reprint and repost Emperor's Clothes articles. Also, please include the article's Web address and author(s). www.tenc.net * [Emperor's Clothes] === Northwoods: A Plan for Terror to Justify War Comments by Jared Israel Key Excerpts from the Previously Classified Northwoods Document and Links to the Full Text [Posted 10 December 2001] === The Northwoods plan for staging phony attacks on the U.S. to justify invading Cuba was developed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962. It was never implemented, perhaps due to fear of Soviet retaliation. The Northwoods document was obtained by the National Security Archive: an independent non-governmental research institute and library located at The George Washington University in Washington, D.C. The Archive collects and publishes declassified documents acquired through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). A tax-exempt public charity, the Archive receives no U.S. government funding; its budget is supported by publication royalties and donations from foundations and individuals. The Emperor's Clothes summary of evidence, Guilty for 9-11, charges that the Bush Administration staged the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The purpose: to justify a U.S. military crusade, an eternal War Against Terror, starting with the invasion of Afghanistan. (1) But the attack on Afghanistan is not intended to fight terrorism. Rather than crushing terrorism, the U.S. Establishment hopes to create a new, more subservient terrorist apparatus in Afghanistan, including elements of both the Northern Alliance and 'moderate' Taliban. The goal of the current protracted war against a weak foe - indeed, against a foe largely created by the U.S. and its client states, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia - is to position the U.S. military-intelligence apparatus firmly in Central Asia. From that strategic position, Washington hopes to complete the dismemberment of the states of the former Soviet Union. U.S. military and intelligence operatives will cultivate quislings like Mr. Putin, penetrate military defense structures and political groups in the former Soviet States, instigate terrorist attacks to destabilize the area, and build or take control of powerful military bases. These will be used to stage direct military assaults when, as is sure to happen, some of the former Soviet Republics resist. Thus this strategy risks nuclear war. Some people who oppose the Afghan war disagree with this explanation. They claim that Mr. Bush's motive is to establish control of oil deposits in the Caspian basin and/or to construct oil pipelines. This theory has been put forward by everyone from the U.S. Communist Party to some conservative Websites. The other day I received an email with an article by the reporter John Pilger, who says: Bush's concealed agenda is to exploit the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian basin, the greatest source of untapped fossil fuel on earth and enough, according to one estimate, to meet America's voracious energy needs for a generation. Mr. Pilger is dead wrong. The U.S. does not need to destabilize highly volatile Central and Southern Asia, which includes several nuclear powers, just to get oil. Consider Fidel Castro's statement on this subject. Castro has survived four decades of attempts by the world's biggest superpower to destroy the revolution in his tiny country. (Indeed, Cuba was the proposed target of Operation Northwoods!) So perhaps Mr. Castro understands a thing or three about U.S. strategy. In a speech on 2 November, Castro said: I do not share the view that the United States' main pursuit in Afghanistan was oil. I rather see it as part of a geo-strategic concept. No one would make such a mistake simply to go after oil, least of all a country with access to any oil in the world, including all the Russian oil and gas it wishes. It would be sufficient for the U.S. to invest, to buy and to pay. (full text at: http://www.embacuba.ca/Doc-e.htm ) The Emperor's Clothes editors (and, by the way, virtually everyone in the former Soviet Union) agree. Indeed the immediate effect of 9-11 and the current military campaign has been to destabilize the oil business. For example Enron, one of the main U.S. energy companies and Mr. Bush's biggest contributor, (3) has been driven into bankruptcy. TODAY AFGHANISTAN, TOMORROW RUSSIA, AND THEN - THE WORLD Why is this economic disruption justified in the minds of the fraction of a percent who control
[CTRL] Israel in 600 Words or Less
-Caveat Lector- from - http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12045 Israel in 600 Words or Less Etgar Keret, LA Weekly December 7, 2001 My mother says I'll never be able to understand what it's like for a nation to be without a country. Now, my mom, she really knows what she's talking about. After all, she went through the Holocaust, saw her home destroyed in Poland, lost her mom and dad and little brother and finally ended up here, in the land of Israel, her country, the land she swore she would never leave. My Palestinian friend Ghassan says I'll never be able to understand what it's like for a nation to live under occupation. No, he didn't go through the Holocaust, and his whole family is alive, thank God, at least for the time being. But he's had it up to here with the Israeli soldiers at the border checkpoint. Sometimes you make it through the roadblock in a second or two, but sometimes, when they're bored, they can make you feel like life isn't worth living. They force you to wait for hours in the sun for no reason, to humiliate you. Just last week, they confiscated two packs of Kent Longs from me, simply because they felt like it. An 18-year-old kid with a rifle in his hand and a face full of zits just came and took them. Adina, the neighbor from downstairs, says that I'll never be able to understand what it's like to lose a loved one in a suicide bombing. No death can be more meaningless than that, she says. My brother died for two reasons -- because he was Israeli and because he felt like having an espresso in the middle of the night. If you can think of any dumber reasons for dying, let me know. And there isn't even anyone to get mad at. After all, the guy that killed him is already dead himself, blown to pieces. My mother says that we have no other place to go, that no matter where we go, we'll always be strangers, hated, Jews. Ghassan says that my country, the state of Israel, is an alien and strange entity and that there is nothing like it anywhere else in the world. There it is, in the middle of the Middle East, pretending to be in the heart of Europe, participating in the Eurovision song contest every year, making sure to send a soccer team to the European cup games, and it just doesn't get that it's located in the heart of the desert, surrounded by a Middle Eastern mentality that it refuses to acknowledge. Adina says we're living on borrowed time, that every time she sees the Palestinian children going wild with joy and handing out candy after every terror attack, she thinks about how these children are going to grow up. So I should stop all that nonsense about peace. And if there is one thing that my mother, Ghassan and Adina have in common, it's that they are all certain, absolutely certain, that I simply can't understand what's going on in their heads. But I'm actually pretty good at figuring out what's going on in other people's heads, sometimes, especially when times are bad. I even manage to make a living at it. All kinds of foreign publications call me and ask me to explain, if possible in 600 words or less, what people in Israel are thinking. It's just a shame that I can't invent new thoughts for them, too -- ones that are a little less afraid, a little less hateful. Thoughts more positive, optimistic, compact, no more than 600 words. Etgar Keret, one of Israel's most popular young writers, is author of The Bus Driver Who Wanted To Be God and Other Stories. Translated from Hebrew by Ruchie Avital. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Modern-Day Island of Dr. Moreau
-Caveat Lector- As if all the poor, inbred animals inspired by pet shows and royalty (some who seemed to like putting pedigrees to the test with their pets) weren't bad enough ... but it's not difficult to have seen this coming. - jt = from - http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11703 The Modern-Day Island of Dr. Moreau Heather Moore, IMPACT Press October 12, 2001 In 1996, the movie version of H.G. Wells' science-fiction classic The Island of Dr. Moreau, an eerie tale about a deranged scientist who performs gene-splicing research on animals in order to create a superior race of humans, was updated to incorporate more recent developments in genetic engineering. Wells' prophetic nightmare is edging closer to reality each day as scientists find new and bizarre ways to manipulate animals. Virtually every species of domesticated animal has been tampered with as scientists attempt to create new and improved companion animals, research tools, and food sources. Non-allergenic cats, glow-in-the-dark bunnies, mutant monkeys, silk-producing goats, giant mice, Frankenfish, Enviropigs, and other transgenic (genetically altered) animals have made international news and raised the ire of many people who feel that it is unethical for scientists to play God with animals' lives. Transgenic Pets Nevertheless, in two years, Transgenic Pets, LLC, of Syracuse, N.Y., plans to sell cats who have been genetically engineered so that they won't trigger allergies in people. David and Jackie Avner, who formed the company two years ago, claim that conventional breeding has failed to rid cats of an allergen called Feld 1, which is secreted onto the cat's fur. The Avners have contracted with Dr. Xiangzhong (Jerry) Yang, a biotechnologist at the University of Connecticut, to research and develop the allergy-free cat through a combination of gene targeting and cloning. The cat's skin cells would be altered to contain a faulty copy of the Feld 1 gene. The altered cells would then be fused with egg cells, as in cloning. If the resulting modified cats somehow turn out healthy--which is unlikely--they will be interbred and their offspring will be sold for $750 to $1,000 each. Of course, the Feld 1 protein may play a role in protecting cats from bacteria. Dr. Yang does not know what will happen if the protein is removed from cats. He says that they will just have to remove it and see what happens. No previous attempts have been made to remove the allergen from cats, yet Mr. Avner claims that it will not affect the cat's health and that the cats will be completely normal. This alteration amounts to simply removing a non-essential biological aspect of the cats, according to Avner. Avner chose not to mention that mortality rates for animals in transgenic research are very high--80 to 90 percent--and that animals who do survive are frequently born with severe physical abnormalities, including missing limbs, facial clefts, and massive brain defects. Genes are present in living organisms for reasons not completely understood, and tinkering with them often causes animals physiological and immune system problems that researchers can neither anticipate nor control. Regardless of the dangers posed by gene manipulation, animal shelters already euthanize 7 to 8 million homeless cats each year. There is no justification for creating new cats when so many others are being destroyed. There are simple, ethical, and effective ways to cope with allergies to cats and other animals. (See PETA's Web page on transgenic cats for tips on dealing with allergies to animals.) If the Avners want a cat so badly and they cannot learn to cope with their allergies, perhaps they should work to identify and disarm those of their own genes that react to the allergen! Designer Animals The Avners certainly aren't the first to attempt to alter the genetic makeup of companion animals. Several companies are currently working to clone and improve companion animals. Philip Damiani, director of the Companion Animal and Endangered Species Project at Advanced Cell Technology, suggests that if your first cat died of cancer, you might make the next one resistant to that kind of tumor. Charles Long of Texas-based Genetic Savings and Clone says that his company could help destroy the genes that cause hip malformations in some large breeds of dogs. Noble thoughts, perhaps, but aside from the aforementioned hazards of breeding and manipulating animals, these experiments open the door to even more exotic and questionable modifications to animals' personalities and appearances. Although he does not feel that there would be a huge demand for one, Long says he is pretty sure we could make a blue dog. Transgenic artist Eduardo Kac wanted to exhibit a glow-in-the-dark dog, but since that technology was not yet possible, he commissioned scientist Louis-Marie Hodebine and others at the National Institute of Agronomic Research in France to create a fluorescent green bunny,
Re: [CTRL] rhodes scholarships...
-Caveat Lector- we need each one of these kids' email or snail mail addresses to send them all some background information on their scholarship's namesake... cecil john rhodes...agent of the rothschilds...dreamer of british world domination...and determined to bring the u.s. back into the fold... o) mike Date:Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:01:15 -0600 From:Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Academic Subversives -Caveat Lector- From http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-1371154,00.html }}}Begin Rhodes List Includes 32 Americans Sunday December 9, 2001 7:50 AM WASHINGTON (AP) - Thirty-two American college students have been selected as Rhodes Scholars, the scholarship trust announced Sunday. The winners were selected by eight regional committees from among 925 applicants who were endorsed by 319 colleges and universities throughout the nation. Rhodes Scholarships, created in 1902 by the will of British philanthropist Cecil Rhodes, provide two or three years of study at Oxford University in England. Winners are selected on the basis of high academic achievement, personal integrity, leadership potential and physical vigor, among other attributes. Among the winners was Kendra M. Young of Bigfork, Mont. Young is a senior at Grinnell College where she majors in biology. She has won research awards and grants for her work in biology and has worked as a paramedic in Bolivia and in a hospital in Costa Rica. She plays the violin and trombone and enjoys high-altitude hiking. Harvard University placed five students, the most of any institution, on this year's list of winners. Harvard has 300 winners over the years, the most of any U.S. institution. The 32 American students chosen as Rhodes Scholars for 2002, listed by district: District I: Sanjay Basu, Lisle, Ill., Massachusetts Institute of Technology Robert R. Porter, Belmont, Mass., Harvard University Megan S. Steven, Chatham, N.Y., Dartmouth College Rachel Walshe, Warwick, R.I., University of Rhode Island District II: David A. Kovara, Flemington, N.J., University of Delaware Grace Yu, Kanagawa, Japan, Syracuse University Zachariah R. Miller, Stoneboro, Pa., U.S. Military Academy Shayna L. Strom, Penn Valley, Pa., Yale University District III: Oeindrila Dube, Washington, D.C., Stanford University Emelia M. Spencer, Rockville, Md., U.S. Naval Academy Alexis R. Blane, Charlotte, N.C., Duke University Samuel W. Malone, Zebulon, N.C., Duke University District IV: Rhett Martin, Atkins, Ark., University of Central Arkansas P. Kamar Cheruvu, Tampa, Fla., Duke University William B. Roper Jr., Rutledge, Ga., University of Georgia Robert J. Smith, Stone Mountain, Ga., U.S. Military Academy District V: Andrew Park, Wheeling, Ill., Harvard University Erica J. Watson, Henry, Ill., U.S. Military Academy Anne Kafoure, Westerville, Ohio, Miami University Zachary S. Morris, Rockford, Ill., Ripon College District VI: Neil R. Brown, Saint Charles, Iowa, Harvard University Katharine T. Buzicky, St. Paul, Minn., Princeton University Christopher Elders, Kansas City, Mo., Morehouse College Stephen E. Sachs, Clayton, Mo., Harvard University District VII Albert H. Cho, Tempe, Ariz., Harvard University Mindy C. Hebert, New Iberia, La., Carnegie Mellon University Kendra M. Young, Bigfork, Mont., Grinnell College John C. Probasco, Rio Rancho, N.M. University of New Mexico District VIII Lillian B. Pierce, Fallbrook, Calif., Princeton University Sunita Puri, Los Angeles, Yale University Nico I. Slate, Newberry Springs, Calif., Stanford University Elizabeth Angell, Bainbridge Island, Wash., University of Washington Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Below the Surface: Coal Czar Nominee's Troubling Record
-Caveat Lector- from - http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12036 Below the Surface: Coal Czar Nominee's Troubling Record Phillip Babich, Pacific News Service December 6, 2001 Some Americans who live near coal mines are worried about their future health and safety if President Bush's nominee to oversee that industry receives congressional approval. Residents, community groups and others charge that Jeffrey Jarrett, a former manager for both the Cravat Coal and Drummond Coal companies, tried in the past to undermine the authority of the Office of Surface Mining (OSM) -- the very agency he has now been chosen to lead. That leadership is critical, residents say, because if Congress approves proposals supported by the Bush-Cheney administration, domestic coal production could spike. Jarrett currently heads mineral resources management in Pennsylvania's Department of Environmental Protection. Last July, Bush nominated him to lead the OSM. Jarrett worked for the OSM from 1988 to 1994 as deputy assistant director. According to OSM internal documents that are now the center of a Senate investigation, Jarrett improperly involved himself in an on-going investigation into coal mine blasting while he worked at the OSM, in an apparent attempt to discredit the agency. It was a time when appointees of the Reagan administration were considered to be intent on dismantling the l977 Surface Mining Act, which created the OSM. The Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee abruptly aborted a hearing on Jarrett's nomination on Oct. 3, after an FBI report stated the nominee may have violated the law when he made public an OSM personnel file without authorization in 1993. According to the documents, Jarrett made improper and misleading statements about the agency to a resident in Evansville, Ind., who had claimed that nearby coal mine blasting was causing property damage. On four separate occasions in July and August of 1993, Jarrett contacted Freda Harris, a community activist in Evansville. He cited material he claimed was from an OSM report on the blasting. According to Harris, Jarrett told her that an OSM supervisor and investigator were manipulating the results of the report to do bad things to the citizens in the area. Jarrett allegedly attempted to spread similar rumors to an out-of-state organizer, Carolyn Johnson of the Citizens Coal Council, which represents 54 membership organizations in coal field communities. The council was working with Evansville residents in 1993. Jarrett attempted to convince Johnson of similar things, she said, in an apparent attempt to undermine the agency's credibility. He presented himself as a great friend of citizens, and told me that he'd been our ally on the inside for a long time and we just didn't happen to know it, Johnson said. I'd never seen any evidence of his having been helpful at all. An OSM internal report said Jarrett had fabricated his proof of agency personnel manipulating results from an unrelated personnel report, and falsely presented it to Harris. When Harris started receiving what she described as harassing phone calls from Jarrett, she contacted Jarrett's supervisor, Carl Close, who sent an investigator from his Pittsburgh office to Evansville. For Close, the report that came back was unequivocal. That was a very upsetting set of facts, which clearly indicated to me that Jarrett had made an effort to undermine the agency's credibility, Close said. He attempted to indicate that the Office of Surface Mining had not really made a fair appraisal of the situation, that we were sort of leaning the wrong way, and not (being as) objective as we should be. In its final report, the OSM decided the coal mine explosions were not responsible for property damage. Later, Freda Harris and others won a lawsuit against the company responsible for the blasting. Meanwhile, however, the federal agency took official action against Jarrett for his conduct, reassigning him to another division. Almost eight years later, President Bush nominated him to head the agency. Jarrett did not respond to multiple requests for an interview. In his written statement to the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee dated Oct. 3, Jarrett made no mention of his involvement in the 1993 coal mine blasting investigation in Evansville. Bill Wicker, press secretary for the Democrats on the committee, said as a matter of policy the committee cannot comment on a nomination while it is under consideration. Interior Secretary Gale Norton has praised Jarrett as a perfect choice committed to environmental protections. America's appetite for the black rock is enormous. More than 50 percent of electric energy in the United States comes from coal-fired power plants. The Bush-Cheney Energy Task Force calls for a $2 billion corporate subsidy to research and develop so-called clean coal. Coal mining -- especially abandoned coal mines -- can pose a number of environmental and safety hazards
[CTRL] Fwd: How Enron Won Contracts
---BeginMessage--- Date: 1995/08/05 Covert action and political clout help Enron win contracts By Pratap Chatterjee WASHINGTON, Jul 31 (IPS) - What links Enron, the largest natural gas company in the United States, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Pentagon and the fast-growing energy markets of developing countries around the world? If you said covert intelligence operations to support Washington's aggressive pursuit of emerging markets and a network of ''good old boys'' who have long helped each other in and out of government, you probably got it right. Consider the facts. Houston-based Enron was the one of the first companies to bag lucrative new deals to build private energy projects in both the Philippines and India. One of the Filipino deals was to take over a power plant from the Pentagon, the popular name for the U.S. Defence Department. Enron also bagged two other projects to build power plants in the country. The Indian deal was clinched with the help of the CIA which provided Enron and U.S. government officials with key data on the risks of the project and strategies of possible competitors, according to published accounts. ''A number of U.S. government agencies worked on helping Enron in the Department of Commerce's new advocacy centre. Several of them told me that the CIA had helped them get information, but the Commerce people themselves would not talk about it,'' David Sanger of the New York Times told IPS. Curiously enough, the most senior U.S. diplomat in both countries when the deals were negotiated was the same, Frank G. Wisner. He served as ambassador to the Philippines from 1991 well into 1992. He has presided over the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi since last August. Enron agrees that the ambassador helped it in the final stages of the Indian deal but says it had no contact with him in Manila. ''Enron officials paid a courtesy call on the embassy in Manila, but ...did not meet Wisner until his arrival in India. The U.S. government's assistance for the trip to India was to prepare for (Commerce Secretary) Ron Brown's trip. You must remember that we had been negotiating in India two years before Wisner or Brown arrived,'' says Diane Bazelides, Enron's chief spokesperson. Enron struck a deal to manage a 28-megawatt power plant in Subic Bay, formerly the largest U.S. military base in the region, shortly after Wisner left Manila in July 1992. Enron took over the plant in January, 1993, two months after the last U.S. troops left the base. ''The U.S. embassy staff produced an excellent report on how U.S. business could win contracts in the former base. They had an edge because they knew it so well,'' recalls a senior staffer at the Filipino embassy in Washington. Wisner spent a lot of time after arriving in New Delhi last year helping Enron win a 2.8-billion-dollar deal to build a 2,015- megawatt power plant near the southwestern coastal town of Dhabol, close to Bombay. The deal is now under heavy fire for being over-priced. Allegations of bribery are rife. ''If anybody asked the CIA to help promote U.S. business in India, it was probably Frank. That's his style - take action rather than wait for somebody else to make a decision,'' a former Wisner staffer told IPS. In recent weeks, newspaper reports have claimed that CIA support for U.S. business abroad is now an official priority. On Monday, for example, the Los Angeles Times reported that the Clinton administration has issued a set of rules for the CIA to engage in ''economic espionage'' in keeping with the new, geo-economic mindset of U.S. foreign policy. ''The idea is that an ambasador can call on a chief of station (the top CIA official in a foreign country) to find out who will take the key decisions on the bid, information on competitors, any possible corruption on the part of foreign companies,'' a former US ambassador told IPS. Wisner is himself long acquainted with the CIA and its capabilities. His father was one of its architects and served as a top official there from just after its creation in 1947 until just before his suicide in 1965. As such, he helped oversee the toppling of the Guatemalan government of Jacobo Arbenz for United Fruit company, a family-owned U.S. business, in 1954. He also was involved in the 1953 overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq who had threatened to nationalise U.S. and British oil interests, and in secret operations against Indonesian President Sukarno in the mid-1950s. Wisner, Jr. has not been associated with anything quite so dramatic, but he has gone out of his way to promote both U.S. business and military policy. Before his posting to New Delhi, Wisner held the number three position at the Pentagon. During his stint there, Washington actively courted the Indian military. Help from such powerful sources in the elite and secret worlds of this city are commonplace for Kenneth Lay, the chief executive officer and founder of Enron, who started the company soon after
[CTRL] SOLOMON: Noam Chomsky, Wartime Media Hero
-Caveat Lector- from - http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12051 SOLOMON: Noam Chomsky, Wartime Media Hero Norman Solomon, AlterNet December 10, 2001 If liberty means anything at all, George Orwell wrote, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. From all indications, the gatekeepers for big media in the United States don't want to hear what Noam Chomsky has to say -- and they'd prefer that we not hear him either. Mainstream journalists in other nations often interview Chomsky. Based at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he's a world-renowned analyst of propaganda and global politics. But the chances are slim that you'll ever find him on a large network here at home. Chomsky is ill-suited to providing soundbites -- and that's not just a matter of style. A few snappy words are sufficient when they harmonize with the conventional wisdom in a matter of seconds. It takes longer to intelligibly present a very different assessment of political realities. No one disputes that Chomsky revolutionized the study of language more than 40 years ago. The rich and powerful have no quarrel with his work as the world's most significant linguist. But as a political analyst, he's pretty much persona non grata at big U.S. networks and influential dailies. Meanwhile, overflow audiences of thousands are routine when Chomsky speaks on college campuses and elsewhere in the United States. For many years now, community radio stations across North America have featured his speeches and interviews on political subjects. Progressive magazines publish his articles. But at major media outlets, most editors seem far more interested in facile putdowns of Chomsky than in allowing space for his own words. Media attacks on him are especially vitriolic in times of international crisis and war. Since Sept. 11, the distortions have been predictable: Although he's an unequivocal opponent of terrorism in all its forms, Chomsky is portrayed as an apologist for terrorism. Although he's a consistent advocate of human rights for all, Chomsky is accused of singling out the U.S. government for blame. To some extent, Chomsky seems to bring the media salvos on himself. Even when the brickbats are flying, the guy just won't keep his head down. He speaks bluntly when the Pentagon terrorizes faraway civilians in the name of fighting terrorism. And he points out that citizens of the most powerful country on Earth have special opportunities and responsibilities to work against deadly policies implemented in their names with their tax dollars. Chomsky's latest book, titled 9-11, is now arriving in bookstores. It's a collection of interviews, serving as a badly needed corrective to news coverage of the present-day war on terrorism. The book will be very useful in the months to come. Yet 9-11 just scratches the surface. For those who want more depth, many superb Chomsky books are available -- including the classic study Manufacturing Consent (co-authored with Edward S. Herman), Profit Over People and The New Military Humanism, as well as volumes of interviews conducted by David Barsamian. In 9-11, Chomsky speaks without evasion: We should recognize that in much of the world the U.S. is regarded as a leading terrorist state, and with good reason. Chomsky cites many examples of U.S. actions that resulted in the killing of several million civilians during the past few decades. A partial list of nations where those deaths have occurred includes Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, East Timor, Sudan, Iraq, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan. All in the past? Chomsky rips into the scam of wiping the U.S. government's slate clean. If we choose, we can live in a world of comforting illusion, he said. Or we can look at recent history, at the institutional structures that remain essentially unchanged, at the plans that are being announced -- and answer the questions accordingly. I know of no reason to suppose that there has been a sudden change in long-standing motivations or policy goals, apart from tactical adjustments to changing circumstances. Chomsky added wryly: We should also remember that one exalted task of intellectuals is to proclaim every few years that we have 'changed course,' the past is behind us and can be forgotten as we march on towards a glorious future. That is a highly convenient stance, though hardly an admirable or sensible one. For those whose window on the world is mostly confined to mainstream U.S. media, some of Chomsky's statements may seem odd or absolutely wrong. But you can't make an informed judgment based on a few quotes. Read a couple of Chomsky's books and decide for yourself. Noam Chomsky is not a lone ranger or ivory tower intellectual. For decades, he has worked closely with grassroots activists. Understanding doesn't come free, he commented a few years ago. It's true that the task is somewhere between awfully difficult and utterly hopeless for an isolated
Re: [CTRL] Re: in headers (was: Text of Pakistan Perks)
-Caveat Lector- Samantha ( SmartNews), I sincerely appreciate your posts to CTRL in both its forms. That being said, I have a BIG favor to ask of you, and to SmartNews as well ... If you could PLEASE post new posts and articles without the Re: in the header, it would be fantastic. Like a lot of people, I archive CTRL, and I comb through threads to see if there is anything relevant or meaningful in a conversation to keep for myself. So, I usually to go through new CTRL messages based on the header, and organized by thread, and I tend to save every article post, while deleting most of the conversations and duplicates (though I do read all of it). With the Re: tacked onto the header, it appears as if you are replying to a post, not posting something new. I know this is *really* nitpicky, but it would save me (and possibly others) a bit of a headache in trying to sift through the huge volume of mail on this list, while still retaining the worthwhile information. Thanks, and best regards, Joshua Tinnin A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Re: in headers (was: Text of Pakistan Perks)
-Caveat Lector- Sure, Joshua. I had no idea is was working out that way, and now I realize how it happens. (I thought the re's were automatic, but now I see they're not.) Usually, so that I don't have to type in the CTRL address each time, I open a CTRL list email and hit reply. Then I delete all the old info and cut and paste my stuff in. I can change that. All these years and I didn't know the posts without the re's were originals and the ones with the re's were responses! I knew I wasn't very observant but this actually falls in the pitifully unobservant category. :-) Samantha In a message dated 12/11/01 12:41:50 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you could PLEASE post new posts and articles without the Re: in the header, it would be fantastic. Like a lot of people, I archive CTRL, and I comb through threads to see if there is anything relevant or meaningful in a conversation to keep for myself. So, I usually to go through new CTRL messages based on the header, and organized by thread, and I tend to save every article post, while deleting most of the conversations and duplicates (though I do read all of it). With the Re: tacked onto the header, it appears as if you are replying to a post, not posting something new. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The 'Black Banshee', Commie Mary Frances Berry
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/01 8:17:47 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are still picking on the wrong supreme court. The Florida supreme court tried valintly to make hay by rewriting the existing Florida Law and got slapped down for it by the Supreme Court of the United States. Geez, Bill, they were applying a remedy, not rewriting law. Their remedy was for this one time only. If they had been rewriting law it would have stood in all future elections which was never their intention, neither stated nor implied. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Whoosh-Back
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/arms-exports-pr.cfm Now, this seems to be a no-brainer. After the fall of the USSR, it might have seemed all too easy to just cut the arms supplies off (except for the military-industrial complex loss of profits). But, when one is addicted ... Bill Jeff's crewe should have understood that the situation with splinter groups emerging from military-style training could even happen in the U.S., given McVeigh (and whoever else was in on the mission), Rudolph, and perhaps even his own ATF/FBI rogues. AER }}}Begin A Risky Business: U.S. Arms Exports to Countries Where Terror Thrives Nov. 30, 2001 View Standard Version As the war on terrorism moves into its next phase, the United States continues to build its campaign upon an international coalition against terrorism. The administration of President George W. Bush has partnered with countries that are participating in varying degrees of military, political, economic, and diplomatic cooperation to stamp out terrorism worldwide. As part of this cooperative effort, the Bush administration has expressed a willingness to provide weapons to countries that, in the past, have been criticized for human rights violations, lack of democracy, and even support of terrorism. While there may be understandable short-term reasons for considering such a shift in U.S. arms export policy, there also are long-term risks. There are 28 terrorist groups currently operating in 18 countries, according to the State Department's bi-annual list of active foreign terrorist organizations (see below). The United States does not arm these groups directly, but weapons sales and other forms of U.S. military assistance (training, etc.) freely flow to many of the countries within which these groups are active. In some cases, the U.S. supplies arms to these countries to assist in the fight against internal terrorist organizations, such as in Spain. In other countries, however, governments, in countries such as Saudi Arabia, are doing little to stem the activities of terrorist cells within a country's borders that are organizing to commit foreign terrorist activities. In the period of 1990-1999, the United States supplied 16 of the 18 countries on the State Department list with arms through the government-to-government sales under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, or through industry contracted Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) programs, or with military assistance. Recipients included Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Sri Lanka (see below), where, arguably, the risk of diversion is high. In addition, the U.S. military (and the CIA) has trained the forces of many of these 18 countries in U.S. war fighting tactics, in some cases including individuals now involved in terrorism. Of additional concern is that some countries receiving U.S. weapons and/or training continue to recruit children for their official armed forces, and many of the terrorist groups residing in those states rely on children as combatants (see below). Thus, United States is supplying arms and military aid to countries where children are used as soldiers. Indeed, the Stinger anti-aircraft missiles being used in Afghanistan were supplied by the U.S. government, in order to help the mujahidin during their war with to oust the Soviet Union from the country. And both the Taliban and Northern Alliance have used children in their ranks for years. As the Bush administration seeks to allow arms sales and/or training to countries whose assistance is needed in the new U.S. war, policy- makers must be aware of the risks. Partners today may not be on the same side tomorrow. In addition, as the circle of potential recipients widens, the U.S. government immediately should move to strengthen controls, such as end-use monitoring, to ensure that U.S. weapons and know-how remain in the hands of the intended parties. Such end-use monitoring traditionally has not been a strong suit. In FY 2000, for example the State Department conducted end-use checks on only 0.005 percent of all defense articles licensed by the Office of Defense Trade Controls (DTC). The U.S. government further should be wary of ignoring its own export control laws and policies in conducting the campaign against terrorism. The regulations in the Foreign Assistance Act and Arms Export Control Act were developed to ensure that U.S. weapons went into the hands of only desirable actors. U.S. policy was crafted to ensure that weapon exports should not undermine long-term security and stability, weaken democratic movements, support military coups, escalate arms races, exacerbate ongoing conflicts, cause arms build- ups in unstable regions, or be used to commit human rights abuses. Clearly, some U.S. arms exports over the past decade have undermined at least the spirit of these criteria. At this point, it is imperative that Washington re-examine its export record, especially with respect to the 18 countries where terror groups
[CTRL] The Screws to Ashcroft
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Op/Ed Headlines
Sources: New York Post
Saturday December 08 07:05 PM EST
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DISSENT AND TREASON
By Richard Reeves
WASHINGTON -- So, the attorney general of the United States tells me:
To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost
liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists.
Well, screw you, buddy! What are you trying to say? Are you saying
that anyone who talks about civil rights, civil liberties and the
freedom that makes us Americans is a traitor in this undeclared but
loudly proclaimed war?
I have messages for you, Mr. Attorney General John Ashcroft, former governor, former
senator and all-round political perpetual: (1) I am no traitor, and neither is anyone
else who questions sweeping expansion of governmen
t power to search people's homes and minds; (2) if someone or something has to be
blamed and castigated for the breakdown in American security analysis that occurred so
horrifically on Sept. 11, we should start with the f
oul-ups of the government itself in allowing terrorist networks to develop almost
openly over the past 10 years.
Start by searching you own record, sir. Take a hard look at what the FBI and the CIA
have been doing instead of setting them on ordinary citizens with new powers to tap,
bug, search, seize, detain and arrest. The people s
upposed to be watching over us have responded to their own failures in watching our
enemies by saying that now they need more power to watch us.
That said, Ashcroft impresses me as a small man, who does indeed seem to see the very
real terrorism crisis as an opportunity to push a law enforcement agenda not unlike
the one heralded as the salvation of the country in
the bad old days of The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! His obvious
determination to regulate almost everything in the country, with the notable exception
of any checks on unlimited gun ownership by eithe
r citizens or aliens, seems somehow detached from the real threat of foreign-sponsored
terrorism. His blaming the naivete of the citizenry about terrorism is outrageous.
Americans know what is happening, and they certainl
y seem willing and eager to do something about it, including the use of our military
wherever in the world bad guys assemble and plan.
The libertarian monthly Reason is one of the few publications that have the guts right
now to criticize the repression impulse that has coursed through the country since
Sept. 11. The publication has gathered men and wome
n of both the right and left who understand, or are willing to say, that the terrorism
was not caused in some bizarre fashion by constitutional guarantees of individual
liberty and free speech.
Federal agents still need to make the case that the expanded powers for which they
are asking are necessary, the journal quoted Jerry Berman of the Center for Democracy
and Technology as saying in its current issue. It
wasn't a restriction breakdown. It was an analysis breakdown.
The magazine also quoted two officials from research institutions:
Once people have been subjected to such thoroughgoing government surveillance, all
relations between the government and the public are transformed. Whether the rulers be
revolutionary despots or democratically elected of
ficials, every citizen knows that 'they' know all about him and his affairs, and hence
no one dares to step out of line. In such a situation, the sociopolitical system will
gravitate ineluctably toward totalitarianism, s
aid Robert Higgs, editor of The Independent Review.
Friends of traditional American values -- namely, freedom, privacy and justice --
should keep their eyes on two transcendent issues during wartime, said David Kopel,
the Independence Institute's research director. Firs
t, the effort to change our system of checks and balances and our system of federalism
with unreviewable central executive power. Second, the tendency of people to suppress
their own willingness to think freely, and to la
sh out at those who do not similarly self-suppress.
Watching members of Congress defer to Attorney General Ashcroft, there is obviously a
lot of self-supression going on in Washington these days. But not at the Justice
Department or the White House; the executive branch se
ems more intent on expanding its own police power at home than in mobilizing the free
will of the American people against terrorism from abroad.
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/01 3:20:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: asking you why he WOULDN'T have a television seems to have offended you...probably because the absurdity of your stance has been highlighted by this very simple and logical question... now, humor me and convince the people on this list that are reading this that you are right... Yikes. If he had the latest technology in television he wouldn't know how to use it except to switch to Barney Friends. He said he watched the first plane crash on television and you assume it's because he had a live feed. That's such a stretch. It's more likely that he makes up anecdotes to fit whatever situation he's in - just like Reagan always did. The guy's brain is so zapped from being daddy's little automaton that he probably doesn't even remember the morning of the 11th. He just makes stuff up. He's an empty shell. He sits and waits to be filled with words that daddy's friends put in his mouth. He's not even capable of evil, except as a conduit. There's just nobody in there. No lights, nothing - nobody home. You're giving him way too much credit. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Re: in headers (was: Text of Pakistan Perks)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sure, Joshua. I had no idea is was working out that way, and now I realize how it happens. (I thought the re's were automatic, but now I see they're not.) Usually, so that I don't have to type in the CTRL address each time, I open a CTRL list email and hit reply. Then I delete all the old info and cut and paste my stuff in. I can change that. Yes, that's what I figured, but didn't want to assume. You can still do this and cut or delete the Re: part out of the header, though that would still screw up the threading in some email clients. Either way, though, it works for me, but it would be best if you just posted in a new email message, for everyone's sake. Also, the address book on your email client can help so that you don't have to type it each time - I can help off-list with that if you need it. All these years and I didn't know the posts without the re's were originals and the ones with the re's were responses! I knew I wasn't very observant but this actually falls in the pitifully unobservant category. Nah, it's just a bit of fluff, but it can help, especially as I enjoy the articles you post, and I don't want to miss them (same goes generally for SmartNews). Re: is a standard term which used to be used mainly in correspondence on paper - office memos come to mind. It is short for regarding, and it's obviously most commonly used now in email. But, in that regard, it makes sorting by header (and discarding the irrelevant responses to a post) much easier. Anyway, thanks so much. A little netiquette goes a long way for others, and it's always refreshing to know that someone isn't offended by a suggestion to that. With appreciation, Joshua Tinnin A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Graham CrackerUpper
-Caveat Lector- Way back when, I wrote to Lindsey about his sense of honour and duty when considering the impeachment vote against Bill Jeff, while LG was one of the House managers. I suggested to him that he was spinning his wheels, like in his car on Myrtle Beach (the sandy side), just a-gunnin' and a-gunnin', the tires a-turnin' and a- turnin'. Lots of noise and commotion for gettin' no wayuh. AER From Sierra Times (URL @ bottom) }}}Begin Wrong reason to raid Saddam By Henry Lamb 12.10.01 A resolution has been introduced in Congress to declare that Iraq has committed an act of aggression against the United States... by refusing to comply with U.N. Resolution 687. This proposed resolution is a twisted, and extremely dangerous, excuse to bomb Baghdad back to the stone age. Saddam is a bad guy. If there exists credible evidence that he played any role in the September 11 attack on America, the President already has Congressional authority to get him. This resolution (HJRES 75), introduced by Lindsey Graham (R-SC), is absolutely the wrong way to go about unseating Saddam. Iraq's refusal to comply with U.N. Resolution 687 is not an act of aggression against the United States; flying commercial jetliners into the World Trade Center is. If Saddam can be shown to have participated - even a little - bomb his butt into oblivion. We cannot, however, hide behind a U.N. Resolution to do now, what another U.N. Resolution prevented us from doing when our forces were in Iraq the last time. The United States military has but one purpose: to defend the United States of America. Its purpose is not to enforce U.N. Resolutions, nor to use U.N. Resolutions as an excuse to engage in warfare for any purpose other than the defense of our nation. We certainly should have learned that lesson by now. The United States needs no U.N. Resolution to activate our military; it needs an order from our Commander in Chief, supported by a Congressional Declaration - nothing more. When the United States, or its allies are attack ed, we must respond. But we should never again respond with our military in order to comply with a U.N. Resolution. Lindsey's Resolution would continue to submerge the U.S. military into the U.N.'s military aspirati ons. If there is ever to be a U.N. standing army, it should not include a single American. President Bush has responded to the terrorists' attack brilliantly, so far. He has announced Americ a's resolve, found friends to help fight the foe, and left the U.N. to do what it does so well - ta lk. Lindsey would have us now seek refuge behind a U.N. Resolution. No! It would say to the world that we need a U.N. Resolution to authorize our action. Saddam's refusal to allow U.N. inspectors, which is a violation of U.N. Resolution 687, is an extre mely thin excuse for invading a sovereign nation by any military force, and no excuse at all for U. S. military action. An invasion of Iraq by the United States would be an act of aggression, and condemned by the world, unless the United States had incontrovertible evidence that Iraq planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks of September 11..., as stipulated in the Joint Resolution which authorizes the President t o wage the war on terrorism. Until such evidence is in hand, or until Saddam commits some other act of aggression against the Un ited States, we need to concentrate on the task at hand: destroying the likes of al Qeada, and shor ing up our domestic def enses. Lindsey's Resolution was introduced on December 4. It was fast- tracked, and is scheduled to be con sidered by the House International Relations Committee, Tuesday, December 11. Since the Committee C hair, Henry Hyde (R-IL) is a co-sponsor of the proposal, the measure is expected to sail through committee with little opp osition. Ron Paul (R-TX) is a member of the Committee. He will object, and speak in opposition to the Resolu tion. Ron Paul is one of the few members in Congress who recognizes the dangers of getting into bed with the United Nation s. The anti-Saddam sentiment, coupled with the anti-terrorist sentiment, could easily cloud considered reasoning by Congressmen who are eager to wind up the session and head home for the holidays. This little two-page Resolution, if enacted in haste, could trigger a chain of events and pave the way to entanglements with the United Nations that reach far beyond Baghdad. As appealing as the ide a of ridding the world of Saddam might be, it is not worth surrendering an ounce of our sovereignty, which we would do if we hid behind a U.N. Resolution to justify our military actions. Henry Lamb is the executive vice president of the Environmental Conservation Organization (ECO), an d chairman of Sovereignty International. Permission to reprint/republish granted, as long as you include the name of our site, the author, a nd our URL. www.SierraTimes.com All Sierra Times news reports, and
