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February 1, 2002

The Strange Career
of Frank Carlucci

By Francis Schor

In the past few months there has been a rash of media reports on the
Carlyle Group, a private equity investment group with billions of
dollars of assets in the defense industry and a roster of directors
and consultants which includes not only well-known Reagan and Bush
appointees but also international figures like John Major, the former
Prime Minister of Great Britain, and Fidel Ramos, the former
President of the Philippines.

The Chairman of the Carlyle Group, Frank Carlucci, was not only a
former Secretary of Defense in the Reagan Administration, but a
Deputy Director of the CIA during the Carter Administration. In fact,
Carlucci's career in Washington provides some insight into the
intersection between foreign and domestic policy in the Cold War
years. Moreover, Carlucci's particular trajectory through the
government and into private industry reveals much about the meaning
and influence of the military- industrial complex in the past and
continuing policies of the United States at home and abroad.

A critical part of Carlucci's career was spent as a foreign service officer during the 
1950's and 1960's in such hot spots as the Congo and Brazil. He capped that foreign 
service career with a stint as Ambassador to Portu
gal from 1974-77, a key time in the history and development of the Portuguese 
revolution. Carlucci's navigation through these conflictual moments helps to situate 
the nuances of US cold war policies not only in these spec
ific countries, but throughout the world.

As the Second Secretary in the US Embassy in the Congo during the time of the reign 
and consequent assassination of Patrice Lumumba, Carlucci was intimately involved in 
the US efforts to overthrow Lumumba's government. In
 the recent cinematic reconstruction of the life and times of the Congo's first 
elected prime minister, Lumumba by Haitian director, Raoul Peck, Carlucci is depicted 
as being part of a meeting of US, Belgian, and Congo of
ficials plotting the murder of Lumumba. Claiming that this particular meeting was 
fabricated by the filmmaker, Carlucci did admit at a Washington premier of the film 
that US policy towards the Lumumba government was a bit
 "too strident."

The fact that CIA station chief Lawrence Devlin was under direct instructions from 
Secretary of State Dulles to seek the immediate removal of Lumumba is part of the 
historical record. There is even evidence to suggest tha
t the actual hit on Lumumba came from the White House at Eisenhower's suggestion. In 
fact, there was an assassin hired by the US government, equipped with chemical weapons 
from Ft. Detrick, to use against Lumumba.

When Lumumba was captured in December 1960 after fleeing from house arrest by a former 
supporter and later vicious dictator of the Congo, Colonel Joseph Mobutu, the CIA 
probably helped to arrange for Lumumba's transfer to
 Katanga province where Katangan and Belgian henchman murdered Lumumba and disposed of 
his body.

Meanwhile, Carlucci was attempting to placate Lumumba supporters and draw them into a 
new coalition government. In the confusions that ensued, Carlucci found himself under 
house arrest and at odds with Clare Timberlake, t
he US Ambassador to the Congo who did not favor any involvement with Lumumba 
supporters. Fortunately for Carlucci, Timberlake was relieved of his ambassadorial 
post and replaced by Kennedy appointees whose liberal politic
s allowed for certain compromises with indigenous forces in Africa who might still 
serve the anti- communist alliance while facilitating US economic interests in the 
region.

Although Carlucci wasn't around for the mess that followed in the wake of UN 
intervention and the continuing zigs and zags of US policy in the Congo, he did wind 
up in Brazil in time for the overthrow of the Goulart gover
nment. The CIA and State Department were actively engaged in funneling money to 
opponents of Goulart and setting the stage for the eventual military coup in March and 
April of 1964.

Beyond his populist policies that threatened nationalization of US subsidies, Goulart 
was seen by Washington as "soft on communism" and "pro- Castro," indictments enough to 
spell his doom and put in place right-wing milit
ary dictators who would outlaw any political or union dissent for years. As a 
consequence of the military coup and its entrenchment, Carlucci gained a reputation as 
a "tough-guy" with the American Defense Attaché in Brazi
l, Colonel Vernon Walters.

By the end of the 1960s Carlucci had returned to Washington to become part of Nixon 
Administration, going from the Office of Economic Opportunity in 1969-71 to the Office 
of Management and Budget in 1971-72. He then was a
ppointed Under Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare from 1972-74. Among the 
other key members of these departments of domestic pacificatio

[CTRL] Johnny Walker's Black (ened reputation)


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>From VDare

> Taliban John, a Muslim convert, had signed on with one side in an
> Afghan civil war prior to the involvement of the U.S. on the other
> side.

>>>Now, recall that the Talebaniaqs and their AlQaedaean guests were
abducting people to serve in their "armies" at the beginning of the
American intervention (read: refusal to provide evidence against UbL
[and where is this evidence today?]).  Imagine a gringo (or whatever
they call like peoples over there) walking up to Mullah Man and
saying, "Well, if the rumours are true [CNN/Fox "facts" not being as
readily available under the Talebaniaq regime], the Americans have
come.  I must therefore remain neutral."  Neutral may have meant - at
that point - dead, and dead as no one's martyr; ergo, why waste a
good death?  Even a crescent and star-struck convert from the Land of
the Great Satan could puzzle that one out.  A<>E<>R<<<

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VDARE.COM - http://www.vdare.com/roberts/no_trump.htm

Challenge For Conservatives: Due Process  Even For Taliban

By Paul Craig Roberts

The war against terrorism has made it permissible to express
patriotic feelings. Patriots are reveling in the first opportunity
since World War II to hold Americas enemies accountable without
being denounced by the political left wing.

It is important to hold our enemies accountable, but we all have a
stake in avoiding trumped-up charges. Emotional actions directed at
scapegoats can set dangerous precedents that harm liberty.

Taliban John, the Californian captured fighting for the Taliban in
Afghanistan, is an unsympathetic figure. It is not for his sake that
we must make certain that trumped-up charges are not a factor in his
trial.

Among other offenses, Taliban John is charged with conspiracy to
kill Americans. This charge gives one pause.

Taliban John, a Muslim convert, had signed on with one side in an
Afghan civil war prior to the involvement of the U.S. on the other
side. He had no way of knowing that a Taliban ally, Osama bin Laden,
would be involved in a horrendous event that would bring the U.S.
into the Afghan civil war.

Taliban John is unlikely to have fired on American troops. The
Taliban Afghan troops faced Northern Alliance Afghan troops. After
September 11, the U.S. supplied the air power that turned the tide of
the civil war. Once the U.S. was involved, Taliban John could not
have confessed a change of heart to the Taliban and survived.

Taliban John was in the basement of a prison when an uprising broke
out on upper floors that happened to take the life of an American CIA
official. Is there evidence that Taliban John conspired in the action
and that the uprising was a conspiracy to kill Americans?

We mustnt confuse the Taliban with al Qaeda. The Taliban are
religious warriors drawn from various tribes. They were focused on
Afghanistan where they were engaged in nation-building by
attempting to use the authority of Islam to impose a central
government on multi-ethnic tribal politics.

Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization focused on the capitalist West.

Bin Ladens help in driving out the Soviets brought him Afghan
gratitude that enabled him to pursue purposes of his own. As bin
Laden was armed with his own troops, the U.S. demand that the Taliban
turn him over was probably unrealistic.

The trouble with trumped-up charges is that they become a habit. The
Justice Department is already too inclined in that direction. It was
the Justice Department that accused Exxon of running the Valdez oil
tanker aground for the purposes of dumping refuse without a permit
and killing migratory birds without a license.

Who in their right mind would believe that $150 million worth of
crude oil was refuse and that a company wrecked one of its ships in
order to kill birds?

Unfortunately, trumped-up charges are routine in our criminal justice
system. The latest is in Dallas where major drug charges against 39
separate individuals have been thrown out. The evidence against
them turned out to be ground up wallboard, packaged to look like
cocaine, that had been planted in their cars or on their property.

The narcotics agents claimed field tests showed the substance was
cocaine. Certified lab tests were not required unless the accused
went to trial. Most did not, being coerced instead into plea bargains
and sent to prison on the bogus evidence.

The Dallas police were working with an informant, who was paid
$200,000, apparently to plant the bogus cocaine on innocent people.

Last years scandal was frame-ups by the Los Angeles police. Before
that, the FBI crime lab, the New York State Police, and the
Wenatchee, Washington, frame-ups of 26 people on fabricated child sex
abuse charges. This list of trumped-up charges is long and growing.

At some point law and order conservatives must come to terms with
the fact that it is easier for police and prosecutors to frame the
innocent than to convict the guilty on the evidence.

Taliban John should be accuse

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By Brian McWilliams, Newsbytes
SHERMAN OAKS, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.,
31 Jan 2002, 12:15 AM CST

In a case that may test limits on Internet free speech in the wake of
Sept.  11, armed federal agents last week raided the home of a Los
Angeles teenager suspected of hacking into several Web sites to post
anarchist messages and using his own site, Raisethefist.com, to
publish bomb-making information.

Sherman Martin Austin, 18, is believed to have violated federal
computer fraud and abuse laws, as well as statutes prohibiting the
distribution of bomb-making information, according to an FBI
affidavit.











FBI agents conducted the raid on the afternoon of Jan. 24 at the Sherman Oaks 
residence owned by Austin's mother after receiving a federal warrant. The agents 
seized several computers and documents, according to an FBI sp
okesperson.

In an interview Wednesday, Austin told Newsbytes he was interrogated for more than six 
hours but has not yet been charged with any crimes.

According to Austin, all of the site's files, which were dedicated to "the 
anti-corporate globalization movement," were lost as a result of the raid. The site 
had received approximately 700 unique visitors each day, he sa
id.

"I think they are a bunch of cheap shots, surrounding and raiding my house with 
machine guns, shotguns, bullet-proof vests. They had more artillery than they use with 
wanted gang felons or raids on drug operations," said
Austin.

Matthew McLaughlin, a representative of the FBI's Los Angeles field office, confirmed 
that agents who conducted the search were heavily armed.

"This is Los Angeles after all. We always go in to protect ourselves. We don't go in 
with slingshots," said McLaughlin.

A message at the Raisethefist.com site today described the raid and said the incident 
was proof that "anyone actively disagreeing with policies of the U.S is now 
automatically rendered a 'terrorist' in the eyes of nationa
l security."

Following the Sept.11 attacks on America, Congress passed the USA Patriot Act, which 
expand the ability of law enforcement to hunt for terrorists.

"People can rant and rave on the Internet all they want, but when they cross the line 
of calling people to action to violently overthrow the Constitution of the United 
States, they have a problem," said McLaughlin.

According to the FBI, Austin allegedly defaced at least five commercial Web sites 
since 1999 using the nickname "Ucaun." On three of the sites, Austin left behind a 
hacking program named troop.cgi that was designed to att
empt to log in to a computer operated by the U.S. Army, the FBI affidavit stated.

In the interview, Austin acknowledged that he vandalized the Web sites and that he 
knew it was illegal to do so. But he defended the act by saying it was necessary to 
get his message out.

Copies of several of the defaced pages are accessible using the cache stored by the 
Google search engine. The defacements contain white and red text on a black 
background, with the title "Hacked by the UCA - Underground C
onfidential Association" and a verbose screed about overthrowing the government and 
building a "New World Order."

According to the FBI, Austin operated Raisethefist.com as well as a site for his 
fledgling Web development business, 2CP.com, from computers in his home connected to 
the Internet by DSL.

Copies of the site's pages cached by Google include instructions on how to make 
explosives from pipes, fertilizer, and match heads.

In the interview, Austin said he did not write the bomb instructions but instead 
copied the pages from another site.

Another page, entitled "Hacking," notes that the Department of Defense and other 
government agencies are dependent upon information technology and are therefore 
vulnerable to computer attacks.

"But how many of us are really willing to engage in such an intense form of warfare 
through bauds and wires? Who's got the balls? Who's willing to sacrifice everything?" 
said the page.

The domain registration record for Raisethefist.com lists Austin as the 
administrative, technical, and billing contact for the site. Austin said he "made up" 
the name listed as the site's registrant, Joseph Parker, "for s
ecurity reasons" and noted that he has received threats because of the site's 
anti-government message.

According to Austin, he has been targeted by the government simply because he 
advocates social justice.

"If I go to jail, then I will go to jail not based on my actions, but based on what I 
think," he said.

Raise The Fist is at http://www.raisethefist.com .

Reported by Newsbytes, http://www.newsbytes.com .

(20020130/WIRES TOP, ONLINE, LEGAL/FBI/PHOTO)

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[CTRL] Nostradamus Historical Biography & Quatrains

2002-02-02 Thread Bill Richer


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Dear Friends:
I put together a MS Word 97 document on Nostradamus in a historical
sense.  Its not a document that is in support or denying Nostradamus but
mostly the facts of what he wrote and what some have said.
If anyone would like a copy please let me know.

God Bless;

Bill

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[CTRL] Sharon's $99 Paint Job Wearing Through


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Crisis looms for Sharon

More army reservists refuse to serve

Graham Usher
Saturday February 2, 2002
The Guardian

The public consensus that the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon,
has marshalled behind his policies cracked yesterday. Polls showed
him receiving his lowest public approval rating in months, and 50
more combat reservist officers added their names to a petition
calling on soldiers to refuse to serve in the occupied territories.

There are now 104 signatories to the petition, which is the most
serious domestic challenge to his policies on the Palestinians since
he came to power one year ago.

"We will not take part in the war for the peace of the settlements," said the 
petition, originally published in the press on January 25. "We will not fight beyond 
the Green Line [Israel's 1967 border with the West Bank] i
n order to rule, expel, destroy, blockade, assassinate, starve and humiliate an entire 
people."

The protest has rattled Mr Sharon and the army, which was swift to attribute 
"political" rather than moral motives to its conscientious objectors.

"This is incitement to rebellion," the army's chief of staff, Shaul Mofaz, said 
yesterday.

Four petitioners have been suspended from officer duties; the others are to face 
disciplinary measures, the army said. The punishments follow prison terms imposed on 
49 reservists for refusing to serve in the occupied ter
ritories since the intifada erupted 16 months ago.

The difference with the latest protest is its public character, and the sympathetic 
hearing it has received.

Even the former head of the Shin Bet intelligence service, Ami Ayalon, told Israeli 
television that he felt "a lot of empathy for the reserve officers" when they were 
asked to execute "blatantly illegal" orders.

"As far as I'm concerned, too few soldiers are refusing such orders. To shoot an 
unarmed youth is a blatantly illegal order. I am very worried by the number of 
Palestinian children shot in the last year."

The protest also resonates with the predominant public mood of despair in Israel at 
the continuing violent confrontation with the Palestinians.

This has seen Mr Sharon's popularity ratings drop from 57% in December to 48%, the 
daily newspaper Maariv said.

Writing in Israel's Yediot Aharonot newspaper last week, the columnist Nahum Barnea 
said the latest Palestinian attack in west Jerusalem had made people more pessimistic 
about Mr Sharon. "They knew their prime minister wa
s no better than they were: neither they nor he have an answer."

Avraham Burg, the Labour Speaker of the Israeli parliament, insisted this week that he 
would address the Palestinian parliament in Ramallah, despite Mr Sharon's campaign to 
ostracise the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat.


"The occupation corrupts, or, more accurately, the occupation has already corrupted," 
Mr Burg told the knesset.

· Ariel Sharon held secret talks with three senior members of
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's inner circle this week, the first
such meeting since he became prime minister, a Palestinian official
said.

Despite his recent tough public statements, he met on Wedneday with
Mr Arafat's deputy, Mahmoud Abbas, the parliament's speaker, Ahmed
Qureia, and a Palestinian economic adviser, Khaled Salam, the
official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said. Mr Sharon's
adviser, Raanan Gissin, declined to comment. AP, Jerusalem

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[CTRL] Enron's Own Investigation


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Top Executives Blamed in Enron's Fall
Internal Investigation Details Failure to Supervise Partnerships

By Peter Behr and David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, February 3, 2002; Page A01

Enron Corp. collapsed last fall because of massive failures by its
management, board and outside advisers as well as self-enrichment by
some employees "in a culture that appears to have encouraged pushing
the limits," according to an internal report released yesterday.

The extraordinary 218-page report by a special committee of the
company's board of directors -- filed yesterday with a federal
bankruptcy court in New York just as senior Enron executives are
preparing to testify before Congress -- found that Enron's rosy
picture of financial success from the late 1990s through last summer
was essentially a fiction. A handful of top managers covered up
nearly $1 billion losses in the 12 months that ended last September,
a period during which senior executives sold millions of dollars
worth of Enron shares.

The managers created a web of complex outside partnerships that facilitated the 
"manipulation of Enron's financial statements" and through the partnerships "were 
enriched by tens of millions of dollars they never should h
ave received," the report said.

Senior officers and the board of directors made a "fundamentally flawed" decision that 
ultimately led to the collapse of the company, once ranked as the nation's 
seventh-largest corporation.

The board, on recommendation from chairman Kenneth L. Lay and president Jeffrey 
Skilling, waived ethics rules in 1999 and allowed Enron's chief financial officer, 
Andrew Fastow, to head up private partnerships that would
buy and sell assets with the company, even while Fastow kept his position at Enron. 
The board and top executives then neglected to monitor Fastow's activities, or even 
ask how much he made -- $30 million -- until last Oct
ober, after media reports.

In one transaction in 2000, Fastow turned one partnership investment of $25,000 into a 
personal $4.5 million profit in two months. He also brought two other employees into 
the deal, with each making $1 million off a $5,80
0 investment in the same period.

The report describes Fastow as the primary creator of Enron's deceptive finances, 
while criticizing Lay for being inattentive. While Skilling minimized his role, his 
account is disputed by some other executives.

Fastow's representatives would not discuss his side of the story.However, a former 
Enron executive in Houston who worked closely with Fastow said: "Andy was really 
sharp. He got approval for everything he did."

The $1 billion in overstated profits from September 2000 to September 2001 is much 
more than the $586 million over five years that the once high-flying energy trader 
reported last November after revealing accounting error
s related to some of the partnerships. That announcement triggered a dive in Enron's 
stock price, costing shareholders and employees billions of dollar and prompting a 
dozen congressional and federal investigations into t
he Houston company's demise.

The report released yesterday does not specifically address whether Enron officials 
violated securities laws. It was prepared under the direction of William Powers Jr., 
dean of the University of Texas School of Law, who j
oined the board Oct. 31 after Enron first reported its third-quarter loss and 
appointed a special investigating committee.

"Enron engaged in transactions that had little economic substance and misstated 
Enron's financial results, and the disclosures Enron made to its shareholders and the 
public did not fully or accurately communicate relevant
 information," the report said. It portrayed Enron officials as determined to disclose 
as little as possible about the partnerships. Fastow, in particular, wanted to avoid 
disclosing his millions of dollars in fees from t
he LJM deal in the annual proxy statement, the report said.

"That impulse to avoid public exposure, coupled with the significance of the 
transactions for Enron's income statements and balance sheets, should have raised red 
flags for senior management, as well as for Enron's outsid
e auditors and lawyers. Unfortunately, it apparently did not," the report said.

"The tragic consequences" of mishandling the partnerships "were the result of failures 
at many levels and by many people: a flawed idea, self-enrichment by employees, 
inadequately-designed controls, poor implementation, i
nattentive oversight, simple (and not so simple) accounting mistakes, and overreaching 
in a culture that appears to have encouraged pushing the limits," the report concluded.

It assessed blame on many:

 Enron founder and longtime chief executive Lay was "the captain of the ship," but he 
did not ensure that those who reported to him were performing their oversight duties 
properly. He ac

[CTRL] Ground Chuck (Enron-B-Que)


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@
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020203/wl_nm/enron
_britain_charles_dc_1&printer=1

is the rest of the article

> Britain's Prince Charles Linked to Enron Execs
> Sat Feb 2, 7:34 PM ET
>
> LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Prince Charles accepted one million
> pounds ($1.4 million) from the collapsed energy giant Enron for his
> youth charity, a spokeswoman for the Prince said on Saturday.
>
>
> The heir to the British throne also dined with senior Enron executives
> and may have met company boss Kenneth Lay.

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[CTRL] "George W. Bush's Dubious Friends" (2000)


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"George W. Bush's Dubious Friends" (2000)

"Texas governor George W. Bush's campaign to become the Republican candidate
in this November's presidential ballot could shortly run into turbulence
because of new information about his past. Indeed, among the figures Bush
dealt with indirectly when he ran oil companies was Saudi banker Khaled Bin
Mahfouz who, Intelligence Newsletter has learned, is currently under house
arrest in a hospital in Taef at the behest of the American authorities. The
latter are looking into contributions Mahfouz is said to have made to welfare
associations close to terrorist Ussama Bin Laden. Considered as the "king's
treasurer," Mahfouz was recently forced to sharply reduce his stake in the
National Commercial Bank, one of the biggest in the kingdom. Many in Arab
financial circles see this as a harbinger of his disgrace. Mahfouz's name was
linked to the scandal involving the Bank of Credit and Commerce International
(BCCI), in which he held a 20% interest between 1986-1990. The BCCI was
accused in senator John- Kerry's report of money-laundering and of financing
terrorist groups and covert spy operations before it was wound up on July 5,
1991, with a $ 12 billion loss to its customers. Mahfouz was also linked to a
case involving fake passports in Ireland in 1997 that forced Irish foreign
minister Ray Burke to resign.

In 1987 Mahfouz's representative in the U.S., Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, acquired
an 11.5% stake in a company in which the Bush was a shareholder, director and
adviser, Harken Energy. Bush played a central role in Harken which had
acquired his previous oil business, Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation, in 1986.
Spectrum 7, in which Bush was boss and held 13.8%, had previously bought up
the first firm Bush founded, Arbusto Energy Inc. in 1984. An American banker
named Jacksen Stephens who was to also be deeply involved in the BCCI affair
moved in 1987 to invest $ 25 million in Harken. The transaction took place in
Geneva with the money was paid through a joint venture set up between the
Union des Banques Suisses and the Geneva branch of the BCCI; the financial
accord was signed by both Stephens and Bakksh. Other links between Bush and
Mahfouz can be found through investments in the Carlyle Group, an American
investment firm managed by a board on which former president George Bush
himself sat. The younger Bush personally held shares in one of the components
of the Carlyle group, the Caterair company, between 1990-94. And Carlyle
today ranks as a leading contributor to Bush's electoral campaign. On
Carlyle's advisory board figures the name of Sami Baarma, director of the
Pakistani financial establishment Prime Commercial Bank that is based in
Lahore and owned by Mafouz" --Intelligence Online, March 2, 2000





"Bin Laden's family link to Bush"

by PETER ALLEN, Daily Mail, 9/24/01

"In summer 1971, Osama and Salem Bin Laden enjoyed a holiday in Sweden with
some of their 55 brothers and sisters. Yet within a few years, the two
teenagers' lives had taken stunningly different turns. As the world knows to
its cost, Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and 30 years later was named
the world's most wanted man. He is prime suspect in the murder of nearly
7,000 in the worst ever terrorist atrocities in the U.S. earlier this month.
Incredibly, Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is
leading the hunt for his brother. In the 1970s, he and George W Bush were
founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Mr Bush's home state of Texas.

"... The brothers had recently inherited a fortune from their construction
magnate father, Mohammed. He left millions to each of his 57 children by 12
wives after dying in a plane crash in 1968 At that time the brothers both
delighted in their enormous wealth. Salem - wearing a polo neck and slacks as
he crouches three places from Osama, in jeans and a skinny rib jumper - put a
large part of his money into business ventures, including Arbusto Energy. Mr
Bush was not long out of Harvard Business School when he started the company
in 1978. Salem watched it grow into a hugely successful business until his
death in a microlight plane crash in Texas in 1983.

"As he built his own business empire, Salem Bin Laden had an intriguing
relationship with the president-to-be. In 1978, he appointed James Bath, a
close friend of Mr Bush who served with him in the Air National Guard, as his
representative in Houston, Texas. It was in that year that Mr Bath invested
$50,000 (about £34,000) in Mr Bush's company, Arbusto. It was never revealed
whether he was investing his own money or somebody else's. There was even
speculation that the money might have been from Salem. In the same year, Mr
Bath bought Houston Gulf Airport on behalf of the Saudi A

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

2002-02-02 Thread Tenorlove


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> So?   Who the hell is Fritz Springmeyer?

331 entries at

http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=fritz+springmeier&hc=0&hs=0

Author of "The 13 Illuminati Bloodlines." He was arrested last year,
too, allegedly for growing pot. They also confiscated his computers and manuscripts.

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Re: [CTRL] the american dream


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It's PEOPLE!!! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!


- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Hennessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: [CTRL] the american dream


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> A strange state of being this war on terror.
> It is a global war until the end of all evil is in sight.
> it is a war that will outlast forever - it is a license to
> spend the public purse on an unlimited number of evil doers.
> It is a war that will destroy the terror of multivitamins,
> it is a war that elevate the multinationals to godhead, where
> the supermen will be bred to end the terror of individuality.
>
> this war will build information databases like no other, and
> will arrest you if you refuse to take the poison that has been
> allocated specifically to you.
> it will end the terror of childhood and give to the new generations
> the certainty that they can misuse their lives if they choose.
> this war on terror will end the terror of liberty and replace it with
> the sanity of rule. It will seek out evil everywhere, the evils of
> defamation, the evils of being outspoken - it will silence the Internet
> forever.
> It is a war on the terror of the parents when they realise that their
> children have been poisoned by toxic diet and society beyond the point
where
> they can be easily cured. It is a war on the terror of parents who realise
> that they are going to outlast their children - whose young growing
tissues
> cannot mature on the poisons they are being fed.
>
> It is a war that hopes to disintegrate and divide - and rule.
> Aside from the ongoing population cull though -
> I foresee the breakup and regionalisation of the United States of America.
> Its called Devolution.
> Its a scam they foisted on us in the UK for by breaking up the UK into
> impotent regions they could create more beaurocracy and more taxes and
less
> democracy. [consensus government]
>
> The big global superstate and its components like the EU is made
> up of small regional villages.
> The same model applied to the USA would break the country up into
Federated
> Regions answering not to Washington but to the UN.
> They may decide to carve up the USA by using racial profiling -
> maybe creating a mexican superstate in the south. eg. Aztlan becomes the
> mexican village - they may use religious profiling, maybe to identify and
> isolate fundamentalist pockets -
> You may get the creation of Mormonia - capital salt lake
> the city states of LA or new york [enter kurt russell] the
> babylonain/sumerian city state maybe ring fenced with the invincible
> overlords as their black nobility.
> If state borders were closed with the creation of new 'countries' within
the
> USA - people would not be able to move about - an ideal situation if
> multinational companies want 'captive employees' anchored in their region.
>
> to help with the reassimilation of the citizens in their new countries -
> vast new biometric databases will profile the 'abnormal'
> and facilitate the diagnosis of deviance and potential terror
> suspects eg. vegetarians
>
> Changes of linguistic and religious priorities would further strengthen
the
> case for the Devolution of the american dream and melting pot into its
> Individual components.
>
> Then by media enhanced differences causing at the same time the alienation
> and the 'embrace' of global values - the state of the union is no longer
one
> state but many - ruled by an unrelenting axis of evil illuminazis.
>
> I'm willing to bet that the company shell that was called Enron still
exists
> and has just acquired a new name - Noner.
> If you see how the incestuous UK bilderburgers and enron executives
promoted
> themselves and funded their excesses to the heights of their paranoia -
you
> will see that the energy department in the uk govt.  is still being run by
> Noner.
> Sick transatlantic and global sleaze, with bought prime ministers who have
> not the courage to admit to the parents of this country that they are
> frauds. Tony though, emperir of eurodisney in waiting - just like the walt
> disney franchise - is an idea whose time has already gone.
> Blond haired blue eyed superTony awaits in the wings, whilst the athletic
> Dubya whose supertuned cardiovascular system has produced a heart so mean
it
> cant be bothered beating - has already got a hit out on the Pretzel
Company
> executives.
>
> The day of our global village is come and though the armed and touchy
> american public is getting circumspect treatment, maybe even resiliently
> holding the fragmentation up with its pride and patriotism and 911 flags-
> there appear to be many measures in place to indiscriminately lift any
> physical being or object -
>
> But ... How can you arrest a Dream - the american dream ??
>
> andrew hennessey
> scotland
>
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[CTRL] the american dream

2002-02-02 Thread Andrew Hennessey


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A strange state of being this war on terror.
It is a global war until the end of all evil is in sight.
it is a war that will outlast forever - it is a license to
spend the public purse on an unlimited number of evil doers.
It is a war that will destroy the terror of multivitamins,
it is a war that elevate the multinationals to godhead, where
the supermen will be bred to end the terror of individuality.

this war will build information databases like no other, and
will arrest you if you refuse to take the poison that has been
allocated specifically to you.
it will end the terror of childhood and give to the new generations
the certainty that they can misuse their lives if they choose.
this war on terror will end the terror of liberty and replace it with
the sanity of rule. It will seek out evil everywhere, the evils of
defamation, the evils of being outspoken - it will silence the Internet
forever.
It is a war on the terror of the parents when they realise that their
children have been poisoned by toxic diet and society beyond the point where
they can be easily cured. It is a war on the terror of parents who realise
that they are going to outlast their children - whose young growing tissues
cannot mature on the poisons they are being fed.

It is a war that hopes to disintegrate and divide - and rule.
Aside from the ongoing population cull though -
I foresee the breakup and regionalisation of the United States of America.
Its called Devolution.
Its a scam they foisted on us in the UK for by breaking up the UK into
impotent regions they could create more beaurocracy and more taxes and less
democracy. [consensus government]

The big global superstate and its components like the EU is made
up of small regional villages.
The same model applied to the USA would break the country up into Federated
Regions answering not to Washington but to the UN.
They may decide to carve up the USA by using racial profiling -
maybe creating a mexican superstate in the south. eg. Aztlan becomes the
mexican village - they may use religious profiling, maybe to identify and
isolate fundamentalist pockets -
You may get the creation of Mormonia - capital salt lake
the city states of LA or new york [enter kurt russell] the
babylonain/sumerian city state maybe ring fenced with the invincible
overlords as their black nobility.
If state borders were closed with the creation of new 'countries' within the
USA - people would not be able to move about - an ideal situation if
multinational companies want 'captive employees' anchored in their region.

to help with the reassimilation of the citizens in their new countries -
vast new biometric databases will profile the 'abnormal'
and facilitate the diagnosis of deviance and potential terror
suspects eg. vegetarians

Changes of linguistic and religious priorities would further strengthen the
case for the Devolution of the american dream and melting pot into its
Individual components.

Then by media enhanced differences causing at the same time the alienation
and the 'embrace' of global values - the state of the union is no longer one
state but many - ruled by an unrelenting axis of evil illuminazis.

I'm willing to bet that the company shell that was called Enron still exists
and has just acquired a new name - Noner.
If you see how the incestuous UK bilderburgers and enron executives promoted
themselves and funded their excesses to the heights of their paranoia - you
will see that the energy department in the uk govt.  is still being run by
Noner.
Sick transatlantic and global sleaze, with bought prime ministers who have
not the courage to admit to the parents of this country that they are
frauds. Tony though, emperir of eurodisney in waiting - just like the walt
disney franchise - is an idea whose time has already gone.
Blond haired blue eyed superTony awaits in the wings, whilst the athletic
Dubya whose supertuned cardiovascular system has produced a heart so mean it
cant be bothered beating - has already got a hit out on the Pretzel Company
executives.

The day of our global village is come and though the armed and touchy
american public is getting circumspect treatment, maybe even resiliently
holding the fragmentation up with its pride and patriotism and 911 flags-
there appear to be many measures in place to indiscriminately lift any
physical being or object -

But ... How can you arrest a Dream - the american dream ??

andrew hennessey
scotland

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Re: [CTRL] More Intrigue In The Hobeika Affair

2002-02-02 Thread Joe Gillaspie




 
FYI
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=117593
 
 
Car crash adds to Lebanese suspicion
of Israeli cover-up
By Robert Fisk in Beirut
01 February 2002
Did Jean Ghanem hold the secrets of the
testimony on the 1982 Sabra and Chatila massacre that Elie Hobeika planned
to reveal about Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister, before Hobeika's
assassination in Beirut last week?
If he did, we shall never know them â€
because Mr Ghanem, once Hobeika's political deputy, died only four days
before Hobeika, two weeks after a mysterious car accident in east Beirut.
Mr Ghanem, a medical doctor who became
a Phalangist party official and served under Hobeika's ruthless command,
is rumoured to have held documents that his former boss intended to present
to Belgian lawyers in their attempt to indict Mr Sharon for his involvement
in the massacre in which up to 1,700 Palestinian civilians were killed.
But on New Year's Day, Mr Ghanem, who was only 56 and with no history of
heart problems, drove his car into a tree in the suburb of Hazmieh â€
only a few hundred metres from the spot where Hobeika was killed by a car
bomb last week.
Mr Ghanem's wife was badly hurt in the
crash and remains in hospital. He died on 14 January after lying in a coma
for two weeks. Hospital officials said he had had a heart attack. But now
Lebanon's judicial police plan to ask Mrs Ghanem if she wishes to exhume
her husband's body for a second autopsy and Nabih Berri, the Lebanese parliament
speaker, says that the death of Mr Ghanem â€ who was also second
in command of Hobeika's Al Waad party â€ may be linked to Hobeika's
murder.
Another of Hobeika's former militia buddies,
Karim Pakradouni, who is now head of the Phalange Party, says the same
thing.
Lebanon blamed Israel for Hobeika's murder
â€ which Mr Sharon himself denied. An anonymous phone-caller
in Cyprus claimed his killing as the work of a supposedly anti-Syrian group
that no one has ever heard of. Mr Hobeika, who led the Phalangist killers
into Sabra and Chatila, changed sides from Israel to Syria during the civil
war. But Lebanese police have now traced the car in which the bomb was
placed to Jezzine, where Israel maintained an intelligence headquarters
during the 19 years that the Christian town was under Israeli occupation.
The car's original owner has told the police
that he sold his Mercedes 280 to two unidentified men without registering
the transaction; the two buyers, he said, appeared to come from a neighbouring
village. Adnan Addoum, the Lebanese Prosecutor General, says he is prepared
to open a criminal investigation into Mr Ghanem's death if his widow agrees.
In which case we might find out if two
men took the secrets of the Sabra and Chatila massacre to their graves.

[CTRL] [SupportersofPresidentBush] "Time is runnin' out...let's roll!" (fwd)

2002-02-02 Thread Party of Citizens

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[CTRL] Fwd: Lloyd's Building built on site of East India House London--where BCCI had 6 floors for offices

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http://www.londonancestor.com/vb-eastindia.htm
picture of East India Company
building.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/directory/dynpage.asp?Page=62
1858 - George Gilbert Scott appointed architect of new
Foreign Office but Lord Palmerston objects to his Gothic design and an Italian
Palladian style prevails. India Office created and occupies
old East India House in Leadenhall Street in the City, and building in
Victoria Street which later became the Westminster Palace Hotel.

1867 - New India Office completed.

1868 - Foreign Office moves in to new building.

1875 - New Colonial and Home Offices completed and open for
business.

1880 - Sir Joseph Crowe, the First Commercial attaché, was assigned
to the Paris Embassy.

1902 - India Office Courtyard the scene of Coronation celebrations
for King Edward VII, and renamed Durbar Court.

1905-6 - Lansdowne reforms.

1917 - Department of Overseas Trade formed.

1919 - Commercial Diplomatic Service established within FO.
Amalgamation of FO and Diplomatic Service.

1925 - Dominions Office established, housed in the Colonial Office
building. Foreign Office Reception Suite renamed the Locarno Suite following the
signing of the Locarno Treaty in the largest of the three rooms.

1934 - Economic Relations Section created within FO.

1943 - Eden Reforms.

1947 - Dominions Office became Commonwealth Relations Office.
Colonial Office moves to Church House, Great Smith Street.

1964 - Plowden Report on Representational Services Overseas. (Cmnd
2276)

1965 - The present Diplomatic Service was formed from the merged
Foreign, Commonwealth and Trade Commission Services.

1966 - Colonial Office and Commonwealth Office merged, becoming
Commonwealth Office, housed in Whitehall.

1968 - The FCO established by the merger of the Foreign Office and
Commonwealth Office.

1969 - Duncan Report (Cmnd 4107) recommended a reduction in the FCO's
role.

1976-7 - Review of the FCO by the Central Policy Review Staff.

1978 - The United Kingdom's Overseas Representation (Cmnd 7038)
published as the official response to this review. Foreign Office takes over
newly vacated Home Office building.

1981 - Ministerial decision to refurbish remainder of Scott's
building (the Old Public Offices).

1987 - Restoration of part of the India Office, including Durbar
Court and the India Office Council Chamber completed.

1990 - Additional areas of the India Office (including Muses Stair
and Oval Room) restored, as well as a major part of the Foreign Office
(including the Grand Staircase and the Secretary of State's Room).

1997 - Completion of remaining restoration work.
map: http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=EC3A3BP&scale=10
(note: If you click the + button on the
frames at the left of the map three times, you will see the number 10,000
in the box. This shows 100 Leadenhall to be at the corner of Leadenhall
and Lime.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/cityhandbook/alphal.htm
Lloyd's Address: One Lime Street
London EC3M 7HA Tel: 0207 327 1000 Fax: 0207 626 2389
E-mail:Website: http://www.lloydsoflondon.com
Lloyd's Register of Shipping - LR
Address: 71 Fenchurch Street London EC3M 4BS Tel: 020 7709
9166 Fax: 020 7488 4796 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Website: http://www.lr.org
London Clearing House Limited The - LCH Address:
Aldgate House 33 Aldgate High Street London EC3N 1EA Tel: 020 7426 7000
Fax: 020 7426 7001 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Website:
http://www.lch.com
London Metal Exchange - LME Address:
56 Leadenhall Street London EC3A 2DX Tel: 020 7264 Fax: 020 7264
5541E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Website:
http://www.lme.co.uk
http://www.factset.com/files/Maps/London%20Colmap.pdf
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:nFJnmZckHSwC:accounting.rutgers.edu/SUMMA/SUMMA/Bobsmap/London23.html+East+India+House+in+Leadenhall+Street&hl=en
Leadenhall Street is noted
for its shipping companies. At the corner of Lime Street, opposite the modern P
& O building is the former Royal Mail House, built in 1929-30 just before
the famous Royal Mail case (R. v. KylsantJj) of 1931. It stands, as a
plaque indicates, on the site of East India House where John Carpenter, author
of A Most Excellent Instruction (1632) worked as an accountant.
http://www.ashrare.com/other_lime_street.html

[BOWEN (Thomas)]: [MAP OF
LIME STREET WARD] LIMESTREET WARD DIVIDED INTO PARISHES ACCORDING TO A LATE
SURVEY.
London: Robert Baldwin 1772. A fine antique map of
Lime Street Ward in the heart of the City of London. The area covered extends
north from Fenchurch Street across Leadenhall Street and via
St Mary Axe to Camomile Street and Houndsditch. It includes the old
Leadenhall Market, East India House (on the site of the
modern Lloyd's Building) and the churches of St Andrew Undershaft and
Great St Helen. The map is decorated with a rococo cartouche, the arms of the
contemporary alderman Sir Robert Kite, and an elevation of the front

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested


-Caveat Lector-

Let me add this - the ADL is putting out information (on the sly) that
"neo nazis" and namely of course, Militia, Christians, etc., are behind
this anthrax thing.

Its about time somebody investigted this ADL who is linked to murder
inc. and organized crime, who has taken bribe money from a man accused
of criminal syndacalism and engaging in organized crime and a charge
that could have amounted to treason - yet this garbage wonder - could
someone have tried to "finger" Fritz Springmeier on something like this?

Just a thought.   And anyone who wants to know anything about this man -
you have a a search engine at your disposal so why  not do your own
research.

Nobody is paid to do it for you.

OSaba

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

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Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

>Dear Friends,

>Yesterday afternoon, around 12:30pm, Clackamas County Sheriffs' Department
>arrested my husband, Fritz Springmeier, and placed him in Multinomah County
>Detention Center.  When I asked them what the warrant charges were they
said
>the charges were federal and that they were placing him on a "U.S. Marshall
>Hold".

>Fritz managed to call me around 4:30pm to tell me that he was OK.  Our
>conversation was cut short because they wanted the inmates for intake.  He
>seemed to think that he would be arraigned on Monday.

>I don't know what else to say except the obvious - that the times we live
in
>are so frightening.  What are we all going to do?  Fritz wanted me to let
you
>all know what was going on.  Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.

>May God help us all,

>Patty Springmeier

So?   Who the hell is Fritz Springmeyer?

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

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>
>Chicago suburbs.
>
>Bill.

 So, do  you get to see Sherman's Skolnick's cable show?

Om
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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread THe eXTReMiST

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At 12:59 PM 2/2/02 , you wrote:

>I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
>(no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
>
>i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth

Thank you for your timely responses.
Locations have been confirmed for all replies.
You have been succesfully added to the Red List.
See You All Soon!
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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

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 In the tropics hunh?;-) . . . A nice place.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested




--- Begin Message ---

Dear Friends,

Yesterday afternoon, around 12:30pm, Clackamas County Sheriffs Department
arrested my husband, Fritz Springmeier, and placed him in Multinomah County
Detention Center.  When I asked them what the warrant charges were they said
the charges were federal and that they were placing him on a U.S. Marshall
Hold.

Fritz managed to call me around 4:30pm to tell me that he was OK.  Our
conversation was cut short because they wanted the inmates for intake.  He
seemed to think that he would be arraigned on Monday.

I dont know what else to say except the obvious - that the times we live in
are so frightening.  What are we all going to do?  Fritz wanted me to let you
all know what was going on.  Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.

May God help us all,


Patty Springmeier


--- End Message ---

[CTRL] $110 Million to Irish Abuse Victims, UK and Enron

2002-02-02 Thread Smart News


-Caveat Lector-

Religious Order Offers $110 Million to Irish Sex Abuse Victims by Brian
Lavery NY Times Dublin, Jan. 31 - The Roman Catholic religious orders that
ran schools and child care institutions for most of the 20th century in
Ireland have offered $110 million to compensate thousands of people who
suffered sexual or physical abuse while in their care as children. The
agreement between 18 orders and the Irish government would indemnify the
orders from any future legal claims by victims who accept the compensation,
but the ``survivors,'' as they are commonly known here, criticized the
planned compensation as too low.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/01/international/europe/01IRIS.html?pagewanted=

print

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bushgate

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=117805
Enron advisers linked to £8bn Whitehall deals
By Paul Waugh Deputy Political Editor
02 February 2002
The Government was hit by renewed criticism for involving private firms in
public services last night after new figures showed that Andersen, the
accountants embroiled in the Enron collapse, had been hired to work on
Britain's biggest Private Finance Initiative deals.

But figures obtained by The Independent reveal that Andersen, which has been
described as Labour's favourite friend in big business, had been involved in
£8.3bn of Whitehall contracts. Statistics published by the International
Financial Services Association, a group devoted to promoting PPPs, show that
the accountants had advised on the fewest but most expensive deals.

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[CTRL] More Intrigue In The Hobeika Affair

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=117593

Car crash adds to Lebanese suspicion of Israeli cover-up

By Robert Fisk in Beirut

01 February 2002

Did Jean Ghanem hold the secrets of the testimony on the 1982 Sabra and Chatila massacre that Elie Hobeika planned to reveal about Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister, before Hobeika's assassination in Beirut last week?

If he did, we shall never know them – because Mr Ghanem, once Hobeika's political deputy, died only four days before Hobeika, two weeks after a mysterious car accident in east Beirut.

Mr Ghanem, a medical doctor who became a Phalangist party official and served under Hobeika's ruthless command, is rumoured to have held documents that his former boss intended to present to Belgian lawyers in their attempt to indict Mr Sharon for his involvement in the massacre in which up to 1,700 Palestinian civilians were killed. But on New Year's Day, Mr Ghanem, who was only 56 and with no history of heart problems, drove his car into a tree in the suburb of Hazmieh – only a few hundred metres from the spot where Hobeika was killed by a car bomb last week.

Mr Ghanem's wife was badly hurt in the crash and remains in hospital. He died on 14 January after lying in a coma for two weeks. Hospital officials said he had had a heart attack. But now Lebanon's judicial police plan to ask Mrs Ghanem if she wishes to exhume her husband's body for a second autopsy and Nabih Berri, the Lebanese parliament speaker, says that the death of Mr Ghanem – who was also second in command of Hobeika's Al Waad party – may be linked to Hobeika's murder.

Another of Hobeika's former militia buddies, Karim Pakradouni, who is now head of the Phalange Party, says the same thing.

Lebanon blamed Israel for Hobeika's murder – which Mr Sharon himself denied. An anonymous phone-caller in Cyprus claimed his killing as the work of a supposedly anti-Syrian group that no one has ever heard of. Mr Hobeika, who led the Phalangist killers into Sabra and Chatila, changed sides from Israel to Syria during the civil war. But Lebanese police have now traced the car in which the bomb was placed to Jezzine, where Israel maintained an intelligence headquarters during the 19 years that the Christian town was under Israeli occupation.

The car's original owner has told the police that he sold his Mercedes 280 to two unidentified men without registering the transaction; the two buyers, he said, appeared to come from a neighbouring village. Adnan Addoum, the Lebanese Prosecutor General, says he is prepared to open a criminal investigation into Mr Ghanem's death if his widow agrees.

In which case we might find out if two men took the secrets of the Sabra and Chatila massacre to their graves.

[CTRL] [ROUND_F_U_C_K_E_R_S] The Three Amigos

2002-02-02 Thread Party of Citizens

-Caveat Lector-

* POC Plans: For BC Election 2005, Political Avatars under
development; For BC Election 2009, Political Avatars run on trial basis;
For Election 2013, Political Avatars with super-human AI online *

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:55:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Party of Citizens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ROUND_F_U_C_K_E_R_S] Re: [CTRL] Colleen's Inane "Bible Code"
(was; The New World  OrderinBibleprop...

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:

> William Shannon wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 2/1/02 9:29:54 PM Central Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >> She's a liar and a whack job. What's the point?
> >
> > Since you're SO opposed to the idea I'm willing to give it a second look...it
> > can't be all bad.
> >
> > Bill.
> > (Who'd buy a used car from Saba before a used CD from Zev/Josh/Billy Schwartz)
>
> A nazi and a nutsie. You guys are quite a pair.

We are the Three Amigos:

"Then we will rape the horses (forget about FU's cows-they are losers)
And ride off on the wimmen"

POC
(Learned Elders of Zion)

A Quantum Jump beyond F_U_C_K_E_R_S. This list is the
F*s Manifesto. How to f**k the world around using
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  The American Way..Hee Ha

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[CTRL] Israeli intelligence misled Bush on Iran

http://www.dawn.com/2002/02/02/int12.htm



Israeli intelligence misled Bush on Iran


By Paul Michaud

PARIS: Sources in the French Secret Services say they have an explanation why President George W. Bush decided at the last minute to add Iran to his "axis of evil," which originally was to include only Iraq.

North Korea was apparently added "for good measure," say the sources, for Bush does not apparently want to give the impression that his crusade is waged exclusively against Islam or the Middle East.

As for Iran, the French sources say that Israel, on the eve of the forthcoming visit to Washington of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, has provided intelligence to Bush according to which, firstly, Osama bin Laden is presently very much alive and well, and that he is being kept "under the heavy protection" of Iranian security forces in northwestern Iran, not far from its border with Iraq.

The other "revelation" made by the Israelis to President Bush and his entourage would indicate that the other major figure on America's "wanted" list, Mulla Omar, has also made his way to Iran, and that he was exfiltrated to the northwestern part of the country, from Afghanistan, where he was until now in hiding.

The operation, according to the intelligence provided to Washington by the Israelis, say the French sources, took place on Tuesday (Jan 29). Bush made his announcement of the US decision to undertake its new anti-terrorist campaign against Iran, Iraq and North Korea the following day, Wednesday, Jan 30.

Both men, according to intelligence provided by the Israelis to Washington, and to certain of their contacts in France, were spirited to Iran by the special security forces of Ayatollah Khamenai, the spiritual guide of the Iranian revolution, a man who happens to be a bete noire to President Bush, just as he had been to his father, the elder George Bush.

It is certainly to Israel's advantage that Iran become the target of a US anti-terrorism campaign, as not only does Iran support the Hezbollah, but also the country does possess nuclear devices, also the missiles capable of carrying the devices to Israel or, for that matter, any other country in the region.

What flusters French strategists about the US decision to place Iran in its line of fire is that relations between Iran and the West, the United States and France included, had become warmer in recent months, indeed that Tehran had been one of the first countries in the world to condemn the Sept 11 attack on the World Trade Center. More recently, Washington had gone so far as to congratulate Iran on its "constructive role" in the creation of a new Afghan state, notably during preparatory meetings held in Bonn on reconstruction of Afghanistan.

And, if Iran seemed so ready to involve itself in the pacification of Afghanistan, it was for a number of pressing reasons, among them the return to Afghanistan of the 2.5 million Afghan refugees present on its soil.

The cost of maintaining the refugees on its territory was proving incredibly onerous to Iran, say French sources privy with the matter, specially as the West, which encouraged the action, never came through with much of the financial and technical support that had been promised.

Another reason why Iran had welcomed an end to the Afghan conflict and the arrival in power of a credible government was the possibility of at last putting an end to a war which, over 20 years, had cost it the lives of some 4,000 militarymen, also the expense of the construction and maintenance of special fortifications along its joint border with Afghanistan.

As the French sources put it, Iran has had absolutely no interest in continuing any of the terrorist activities cited by Bush in his "evil axis" speech of Wednesday.

Indeed, they say, Iran has made a number of decisions going back to last year which it hoped would be read positively by Washington in hopes that the two countries could turn a leaf on a relationship that turned sour in 1979 with the return to Iran of Ayatollah Khomeini, who had until then been in exile in France, and above all the kidnapping the following year of diplomats at the US embassy in Tehran - an event that not only brought about the defeat, in 1980, of president Jimmy Carter, but also the arrival in power the following January of president Ronald Reagan and his new vice president, George Bush senior.

[CTRL] Arrival of the American Garrison State

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/fallavollita2.html

Arrival of the American Garrison State

by Paul Fallavollita

The Pentagon is proposing the creation of a four-star command to oversee federal troops engaged in "homeland defense" activity on American soil. While CINC regional chiefs have long coordinated deployments overseas, none exist for North America. Soon, however, the circle will be complete, and the noose will be around our necks.

Supporters defend this proposal as a way to "streamline" the command system. We should have learned by now that making government more efficient and effective only makes it easier for that institution to transgress against the rights of the people.

Traditionally, Americans have been wary of using the military for domestic law enforcement. The 1878 Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C. 1385) enshrines this principle into law. Article One, Section Eight, Clause Twelve of the Constitution attempts to curb the ability of the executive to wield domestic standing armies, by stipulating that appropriations for the military cannot be extended at any one time beyond a two-year period. Few Americans stop to think about the Third Amendment, ostensibly still in force, which prohibits the government from quartering soldiers in the peoples’ homes. Taken together, these laws indicate that the aversion to standing armies is a well-established and justified part of the American way of life.

The military is not in our homes yet, but they are roaming about the country, and they are in our neighborhoods. Delta Force and Night Stalker types have terrorized a number of American communities over the years, conducting SWAT-like "training" with live ammunition near residential areas, including in Kingsville, Texas during the 1999 domestic program, "Operation Last Dance." Extensive sales of military equipment, including armored personnel carriers and concussion grenades, to local and state police departments have also taken place.

On another front, a bill re-instituting the draft made its way into Congress just before the New Year, HR 3598 IH, the "Universal Military Training and Service Act of 2001." The militarization of American society is apparently of greater importance to our leaders than recognizing that the government was not granted the authority to conscript citizens into service, especially in light of the Thirteenth Amendment’s prohibition of involuntary servitude. From a market perspective, even the military should realize that a draft would be contrary to its own interests. A draft would cause military pay rates to stagnate and even plummet, since Congress would no longer feel pressure to enact pay raises when they can just press more people into service. This logic is lost on our leaders, however, as they lay the groundwork for the Garrison State.

Since 9/11, our leaders have turned the fear of the American people into a blank check to create a global prison camp. Should the reader suspect this an exaggeration, consider that we may never see a blatant headline one morning in the newspaper stating, "President Declares Police State, End to Constitution." Rather, the only headlines heralding the coming of the American Garrison State will be buried deep in the hindmost pages, telling us, "Pentagon Seeks Creation of Four Star Command for North America." This is incrementalism, where our leaders silently slip each puzzle piece into place, one at a time.

Incrementalism provides the government with plausible deniability about its end game, making it easier for its defenders to characterize libertarian warnings as "paranoia." Not that this necessarily implies a conscious conspiracy at work---it is a well-known feature of any government to expand infinitely, however well intentioned this growth might be, unless checked by the vigilance of the people. Post 9/11, the vigilance of the people seems more scarce than usual, as they rush to cling to a State-provided security blanket.

If you say of the coming Garrison State, "it’ll never happen," ask yourself if you can be certain of that, since history shows that many unlikely and strange things do happen. Ask yourself what President Hillary Rodham Clinton might do with her newfound powers in 2008. Recall Lord Acton’s famed quote: power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Are you willing to take such risks with the precious jewel that is this Republic?

February 1, 2002

Re: [CTRL] Saturday Funnies-ATTORNEY GENERAL: "AMERICA MUST CEASE TO BE A LUR...

In a message dated 2/2/02 11:53:41 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Remember Bill pornography is now being mainstreamed assisted by ADL and
Larry Flynt, front man for the mob and drugs and pornography as America
forges the way to true land of Sodom and Gomorrah - get the picture?

I know, I know...still I must tell you that I like Mr. Flint and also I enjoy porn now and then...a guilty pleasure? Nah.
Irregardless, the statues that church lady-like Ashcroft has issues with are far from "pornographic".

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread Andrew Hennessey


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> >I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
> >(no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
> >
andrew hennessey lives in rosyth Edinburgh SCOTLAND

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread William Bacon


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wbacon lives in Horsham, PA

visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904
for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto:
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> > >i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth
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> > RoadsEnd lives in Oregon.
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[CTRL] Joshua2 Ground Zero IQ


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And that is about  as low as a Marxist pig can go.

OSaba

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

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I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
>(no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)

Chicago suburbs.

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

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From: "Bill Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 2/2/02 2:17:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << > Darn! You caught me.  Actually I live on a black helicopter, which is
>
> > hovering above Colleen's house even as we speak. >>
>
> You really need to get a life. Might I suggest collecting string and
rolling
> it into balls? No? Perhaps you would consider saving your finger nail and
toe
> nail clippings in a large jar?

Naah - That would be too tempting a target for the Zionists (who killed JFK)
and the Queen of England (who is really the Witch of Endor reincarnated).

--
Miniature Mongolian ponies are our friends.
They are named Edmund

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[CTRL] SCIO at Ground Zero





"Somebody some day will say 'this is illegal'.By then be 
sure the orgs say what is legal or not."
L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 4 January 1966
-
 
from - http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/20010911-tragedy/
 
Scientology at Ground Zero 


By Barbara Graham, September 18 2001 
In the past week following the World Trade Center tragedy, we have 
heard amazing stories of heroism and acts of selfless courage and generousity. 
Sadly, it has become necessary to warn people of the small number of hucksters, 
jackals, and scam artists attempting to profit from this terrible event. 
Recently, one such scam came to light, perpetrated by the Church of Scientology. 

By presenting itself as "National Mental Health Assistance," they managed to 
deceive Fox News into running their number across the screen on their broadcasts 
for five hours. People calling for help wound up speaking to representatives for 
Scientology, a group well-known for opposing the real mental health industry. 

Intercepted emails from Scientologists in New York City are revealing, it 
shows that this group is intentionally using deceit to gain access to the 
vulnerable people still suffering from shock and grief. Moreover, it has 
deliberately interfered with legitimate mental health practitioners sent there 
to assist. Below are a few excerpts from these emails, sent out to 
Scientologists to promote this parasitic behavior by "Lt." Simon Hare, CO, I 
HELP Canada (in NY). (Note: the "Lieutenant" designates a rank in the Sea Org, not to be 
confused with actual military rank) 
Intercepted Scientology email:


  
  

  Dear All, 
  For the last two days I have been in New York Org running, with 
  several other Sea Org members, the deployment of Volunteer Ministers into 
  the disaster zone. 
The Sea Org is Scientology's pretend Navy, and consists of the most dedicated 
members. These people sign a billion year contract when joining up. Volunteer 
Ministers have undergone an hour's training in Scientology style disaster 
training, mostly a technique known as a "touch assist," which is supposed to 
make one feel better. This was dreamed up by founder L. Ron Hubbard, a science 
fiction writer and college dropout, a man who's "Doctorate" degree was purchased 
from a diploma mill. 
After describing the scene, the Scientologist reporting goes on to say: 
Intercepted Scientology email:


  
  
Additionally we are trying to move in and knock the psychs out 
  of counseling to the grieving families and that could take another 100 
  plus people right now. Due to some brilliant maneuvering by some simply 
  genius Sea Org Members we tied up the majority of the psychs who were 
  attempting to get to families yesterday in Q&A, bullbait and 
  wrangling. They have a hard time completing cycles of action and are 
  pretty easy to disperse. But today they are out in full force and circling 
  like vultures over these people and all of our resources are tied up in 
  the support efforts in the disaster zone at present. 

Scientology's greatest perceived enemy on Earth is "the psychs." This term 
refers to formally trained mental health professionals, from counsellors to 
psychiatrists. Here they are blatantly admitting to interfering with rescue 
assistance efforts from that field. Here we see that distributing food and water 
is not their main goal in being on-scene, rather, it is access to the victims 
they are after. By keeping trained mental health professionals away from the 
scene, they have full access. 
The Scientologist goes on to say: 

Intercepted Scientology email:


  
  

  There is nowhere on Earth right now that hurts like this place. 
  These are brave people and they are the able and they don't know it but 
  they need the Scientologists with LRH's tech to be here right now. 
  
  The fire-fighter company down the street from the org lost 14 
  members on Tuesday. No one can do anything for them or the rest but 
  Scientologists. The other religions here with their ministers have shown 
  their true colors and are working hand in hand with the psychs to give 
  these people as much false data and restimulation as they can. They HAVE 
  NO TECH and they're not even trying to hide it anymore. They've crossed 
  over and abandoned anything spiritual and to hell with them. 
  
Yes, only Scientologists with L. Ron Hubbard's program can do any good right 
now. Other ministers don't have Ron's wonderful "tech" and are working with real 
mental health professionals, threatening Scientology's access to potential 
victims. They are competition. To hell with them, indeed! 
In a later report, this Scientologist describes gaining access to the 
disaster area. 
Intercepted Scientology email:


  
  

  There was a very large barricade there manned by both Police and 
  Military and they absolutely refused to let us though. The SO member in

Re: [CTRL] Antisemitic vs. Prosemitic means ?

2002-02-02 Thread Nurev Ind


-Caveat Lector-

Party of Citizens wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:
>
> > Party of Citizens wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, inri wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Correction-that's "how could ANY follower of Christ not be
> > > > > > antisemite?"
> > > >
> > > > christ was semitic.
> > > >
> > > > how do you reconcile this?
> > >
> > > I know what you are saying but that is not how the "Real Semites" like J2
> > > define the word. To them, even that Palestinian Imam with the shnozola
> > > which would be the envy of Klinger on "Mash" is an antisemite. Thus
> > > these "Real Semites" have coined the word to mean, "Those who are against
> > > us". What means "us"? "Us" means the Cult of Herod. Herod built Masada
> > > into a magnificent and powerful palatial centre and a last fortified
> > > retreat in case of all-out attack. That is exactly how his Edomite Nation
> > > used it when the Romans invaded. Much earlier the Romans had forced a
> > > merger of the Israelites and Edomites. Today the Edomite Army of Israel
> > > takes its oath of office at Masada under the new Herod, Sharon. The Real
> > > Israelites of 2,000 years ago took on the name "Christians" even though at
> > > first there were those like Saul/Paul who retained the identity as Jews
> > > and Israelites (in Paul's case the Tribe of Benjamin). Since Vatican has
> > > rejected Christ as the foundation of its faith, they have decreed that
> > > "antisemitism" is a grave sin. All it means is standing up for the True
> > > Israelite faith which is what Christ carried forward (eg in saying "I came
> > > only to find the lost sheep of Israel") and being "anti-" those who are
> > > against Christ and His teachings as are the people of the Cult of Herod.
> > > I can hear J2 gnashing his teeth all the way from here. The saga of bile
> > > and bullshit continues.
> > >
> > > POC'ster
> > > (Learned Elder of Zion)
> >
> > Saga of bile and bullshit is right Dr. Poley. Not even ONE point in the bullshit
> > above is either true or historical. Not even one.
> >
> > You can dazzle some of these clowns with your dizzying diatribes of demented
> > dumbness, but Poley you are a joke. There is not even ONE point which is
> > correct.
> >
> > You write more convincingly than Colleen, but she has an excuse. She's a moron.
> > You are just an inept propagandist.
>
> Dear FUC:
>
> Razzle, dazzle us with some of your cogent rebuttals. Just take it a point
> at a time instead of trying such a moronic, broad-brush put-down.
>
> POC
> (Learned Elders of Zion)

No thanks. We've been through this little game already. I'm not interested
in going through it again.

Chuck U.

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Re: [CTRL] Colleen's Inane "Bible Code" (was; The New World OrderinBibleprop...

2002-02-02 Thread Nurev Ind




William Shannon wrote:
In a message
dated 2/1/02 9:29:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
She's
a liar and a whack job. What's the point?

Since you're
SO opposed to the idea I'm willing to give it a second look...it can't
be all bad.
Bill.
(Who'd
buy a used car from Saba before a used CD from Zev/Josh/Billy Schwartz)

A nazi and a nutsie. You guys are quite a pair.
J2

Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread Bill Howard


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 2/2/02 2:17:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< > Darn! You caught me.  Actually I live on a black helicopter, which is

> hovering above Colleen's house even as we speak. >>

You really need to get a life. Might I suggest collecting string and rolling
it into balls? No? Perhaps you would consider saving your finger nail and toe
nail clippings in a large jar?

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question


-Caveat Lector-

much better
-- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - --
 -- - -- -

Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when
the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally
alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest
dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal,
well-meaning but without understanding.
Justice Louis D. Brandeis





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> From: RV Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:05:48 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Quick list question
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Darn! You caught me.  Actually I live on a black helicopter, which is
> hovering above Colleen's house even as we speak.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "thew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Quick list question
>
>
>> -Caveat Lector-
>>
>> stealing bob wilson characters just doesn't wash
>> sorry
>> -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - -
> -
>>  -- - -- -
>>
>>
>> Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original
>> dimensions.
>>
>>
>> Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew
>>
>>> From: RV Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:19:21 -0500
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Quick list question
>>>
>>> -Caveat Lector-
>>>
>>> Quick list question>I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this
> list
>>> live
 (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
>>>
 i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth
>>>
>>> I live in the Texas Schoolbook Depository.
>>> - The Dealy Lama
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I can't believe that! said Alice.
>>> "Can't you?" the Queen said, in a pitying tone.
>>> "Try again: draw a long breath and shut your eyes."
>>> Alice laughed.  "There's no use trying," she said;
>>> "one can't believe impossible things."
>>> "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said
>>> the Queen.  "When I was your age, I always did it for
>>> half an hour a day.  Why sometimes I've believed as
>>> many as six impossible things before breakfast."
>>> -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass
>>>
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>>>
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[CTRL] SCIO, Earthlink and fraud


-Caveat Lector-

"Never spook if investigated. And don't co-operate. Sit tight. Be silent. Make
the investigator talk. Gradually put him into session if you can."

Manual of Justice
by L Ron Hubbard, 1959

=

[...]
A practicing Scientologist, [Sky] Dayton graduated at age 16 from the Delphian
Academy, a Scientology-affiliated boarding school in Sheridan, Ore. But ambition
moved him to choose entrepreneurship over college. His first venture was a
money-losing coffeehouse named Cafe Mocha, located on trendy Melrose Avenue in
L.A. Dayton's next business was a graphic design shop, started with long-time
friend Adam Walker.

When another friend introduced him to the Internet, Dayton says he spent more
than 60 frustrating hours attempting to establish a TCP/IP connection. The
experience sparked an idea for a business: An Internet access provider that
would make it as easy as possible for novices like himself to log on.

To fund the venture, Dayton talked to anyone who would listen, eventually
hooking up with two Scientologists who would become his first angel investors.
He raised $100,000 by selling a 40 percent stake to Kevin O'Donnell - the father
of a school friend and founder of Government Technology Services Inc., a
Chantilly, Va., computer reseller - and Reed Slatkin, a Santa Barbara, Calif.,
stock trader, financial manager and long-time friend of Walker's family.

Equally important, O'Donnell and Slatkin acted as Dayton's management and
financial advisors, filling gaps in his limited experience. Both O'Donnell and
Slatkin remain on the board, and although EarthLink's subsequent private and
public offerings have diluted their stakes, they still hold 7.9 percent and 8.8
percent of the company's shares, respectively. The only shareholders whose
stakes are higher are Dayton, who owns approximately 10 percent of EarthLink
shares, and billionaire financier George Soros, who has acquired approximately
10 percent through several private placements.
[...]

http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,436,00.html

=

Earthlink co-founder Reed Slatkin, an unregistered investment manager and
ordained Scientology minister, has reportedly defrauded clients of close to 255
million dollars in a Ponzi-type investment scheme. Many of his victims were
fellow Scientologists; others were wealthy investors with Hollywood connections.

Scientology has a long history of association with financial scams. How much of
the money Slatkin took in was funneled to Scientology organizations? And how
many of his fellow Scientologists were in on the arrangement? Learn more below.
[...]

http://www.slatkinfraud.com/index.shtml

=

[...]
Has Earthlink stopped promoting Scientology?

On 21st November 2001FACTNet posted a Newsletter called "Is Earthlink promoting
Church of Scientology in spite of its denials of involvement with the cult?".

The gist of the article was:

1. the first 53 results are all pro-scientology. See:
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/EarthlinkScientologyBias.html
2. the first 53 results all seem to be based on a common template. See:
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/webspamplan.htm
3. novice or naïve users of the internet are presented with heavily biased
results. Is this not a form of preferential treatment for Scientology and
censorship of opposing views to the benefit of the Scientology cult?
4. Sky Dayton ( http://home.earthlink.net/~sky/ ), founder and board member of
EarthLink, is a Scientologist.

FACTNet would like to announce that at this moment (January 25th 2002) searching
on the word "Scientology" brings up ZERO results.

We think that this is progress. Even if a little extreme.

http://www.factnet.org/letters/FACTNewsNovember2001.html

=

earthlink.net and Scientology: The Links

http://www.deirdre.org/scnverses/earthlink.html

=

"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down
in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to
lie to them."

L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"

"The goal of the department [of governmental affairs] is to bring the government
and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of complete compliance with
the goals of Scientology. This is done by a high level ability to control and in
its absence by a low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies.
Control such agencies."

L. Ron Hubbard, evidence in Church of Spiritual Technology v. U.S., November 22,
1989.

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question


-Caveat Lector-

Darn! You caught me.  Actually I live on a black helicopter, which is
hovering above Colleen's house even as we speak.


- Original Message -
From: "thew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Quick list question


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> stealing bob wilson characters just doesn't wash
> sorry
> -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - -
-
>  -- - -- -
>
>
> Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original
> dimensions.
>
>
> Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew
>
> > From: RV Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:19:21 -0500
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Quick list question
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Quick list question>I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this
list
> > live
> >> (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
> >
> >> i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth
> >
> > I live in the Texas Schoolbook Depository.
> > - The Dealy Lama
> >
> > --
> > "I can't believe that! said Alice.
> > "Can't you?" the Queen said, in a pitying tone.
> > "Try again: draw a long breath and shut your eyes."
> > Alice laughed.  "There's no use trying," she said;
> > "one can't believe impossible things."
> > "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said
> > the Queen.  "When I was your age, I always did it for
> > half an hour a day.  Why sometimes I've believed as
> > many as six impossible things before breakfast."
> > -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass
> >
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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 2/2/02 12:35:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< small town in Se Washington state

  molli

I always wonder how people can afford to live in manhatten
anymore...

>
> I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
> (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
>
> i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth >>

Carson, CA a bedroom comunity in the Los Angeles harbor area

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[CTRL] Oz: Black Pen Online and Off


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from - http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,50177,00.html?tw=wn20020202

Oz Censor Law Still Confuses
By Stewart Taggart

2:00 a.m. Feb. 2, 2002 PST

SYDNEY, Australia -- Two years after online censorship laws took effect here, no
one -- apart from the censors themselves -- has much of an idea what's being
taken offline.

Opponents say the regime is becoming unaccountable. The censors say secrecy is
vital to fighting child pornography.

On Jan. 1, 2000, the Australian Broadcasting Authority (ABA) gained powers to
order Australian Internet content hosts to remove material deemed overly
sexually explicit or violent.

In February 2000, Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) filed a Freedom of
Information Act seeking details of the Internet content "take-down" orders
issued in Australia, among other things. Five months later, the EFA received
partially blacked-out documents providing little information about the specific
sites taken down, or their content, said EFA Executive Director Irene Graham.

The EFA has asked Australia's Administrative Appeals Tribunal, an independent
review board, to evaluate the ABA's use of the black pen. The tribunal heard
EFA's appeal last July, but a decision has yet to be issued. Meanwhile, the
online censorship system continues with virtually no outside checks or balances,
Graham said.

"This is an unaccountable regime," Graham said. "Unless it is made more
accountable, there is no way to know whether the ABA is implementing the law
properly."

The purpose of the online content law was to create a uniform system under which
Internet content joined offline content such as movies, books and computer games
in being subject to a rating system administered by the government's Office of
Film and Literature Classification (OFLC).

Under the online content law, the ABA -- responding to complaints -- can order
the removal from Internet servers in Australia of any content that the OLFC
rates "X" (sexually explicit) or "RC" ("refused classification" -- usually
applied to excessively violent material). Access to Internet content housed in
Australia rated "R" (restricted to adults over 18) must require some form of
adult verification for access.

For content hosted overseas, the ABA can do little but tell content-filtering
software makers about it.

For films, publications and video games, the OFLC routinely makes available
details of decisions. But the ABA, in keeping details of removed content
confidential, is treating online material different than offline material,
Graham said. That's in conflict with the intent of the law, she added.

But David Flint, chairman of the Australian Broadcasting Authority, defends the
ABA's position. He says that when it comes to child pornography, the Internet is
indeed different from other media.

"While there are obvious practical and legal difficulties in obtaining access to
a censored film, an Internet access allows and even invites access," Flint said.
"Many of these proscribed sites show the most appalling abuse of children,
sometimes very young."

By making such URLs public, the ABA would jeopardize cooperation with
organizations in other countries that currently cooperate with the ABA, since
the ABA would be seen as promoting access to the sites, he says.

"They would not be prepared to share information with an organization that
publishes and therefore promotes sites which depict activity, which is clearly
in breach of their criminal laws," Flint said.

But Graham says the ABA is using child pornography as an all-encompassing cloak.

For instance, regarding Internet content hosted in Australia, disclosing a
defunct URL could hardly be deemed a "promotion" because the material no longer
exists there, she said. And even if clamping down on child pornography is the
primary goal of the ABA's censorship, that doesn't explain the ABA's refusal to
provide information about sites that appear to have nothing to do with child
porn, she says.

"For instance, they've refused to even give us information about materials
classified 'R,' which is not illegal for adults to access," she said.

Without any system of checks or balances or challenges from outside, the EFA
worries that the ABA may engage in overzealous actions.

"At this point, the public is not even being allowed to know what the ABA is
censoring," she said. "If no one tries to make them accountable, they could
become more and more draconian."

Andre Wright, director of industry performance and review for the ABA, said the
EFA has a right to raise the issues it has.

But she said focusing exclusively on take-down notices obscures the other
successes of the online content law over the past two years, including the
creation of an Internet industry code of conduct, the encouragement of home
installation of content filters and their public awareness campaigns.

These elements of the online content regulations in Australia have meant the
ABA's "second-level" powers (such as take-down no

[CTRL] Balkanization of Canada: Conspiracy and Counterconspiracy

2002-02-02 Thread Party of Citizens


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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:41:50 -0800
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Reply-To: "CANADA-L  Political,Social,Cultural,Economic Issues in Canada"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [BCPolitics] Power.com corrupts Canada? Absolutely!

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:46:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [BCPolitics] Power.com corrupts Canada? Absolutely! [long but
worth it]

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Stephen H. Kawamoto wrote:

> David Murdoch of www.mindtribes.net collected the following important documentation. 
> Please distribute far and wide from sea to sea across this fair dominion for all to 
>read.  If this is too long for you to read, then please print it out, read it, and 
>pass it on to other paper diehards.
>
> Steve
> --
> Nearly five years after the Editor of THE NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE
> UPDATE first began warning that Quebec would declare UDI under Lucien
> Bouchard, as its then-future Premier, and that the result would be civil
> war, chaos, the breakup of Canada, and ultimate Continental Union with
> the United States, the mainstream press is finally and belatedly
> beginning to wake up to these previously-unthinkable realities.

While Quebec was castings its secessionist vote in 1995 (narrowly missing
the mark by 1%) the most powerful warships of the US Navy were at
Vancouver and Halifax. Just coincidence, some would say. But I don't draw
the conclusion that the balkanization of Canada would necessarily be a bad
thing or that it would entail being absorbed into the US. Indeed, I expect
the opposite. "The Canadas" (plural) are part of Canadian history and we
are accustomed to looser "federal" control than the US. We could go back
to having Upper Canada (Ontario), Lower Canada (Quebec) and that Canada
where they talk funny (Newfoundland) which only entered the Confederation
post-war. But wait...while Quebec almost voted to go secede in 1995, the
Northern Cree with 1/3 of Northern Quebec mapped out as theirs, voted 95%
to pull out of Quebec if Quebec pulled out of Canada. So the balkanization
could get pretty heady and might give the Americans some strange new ideas
about "liberty and justice". For example, in the 60's the Black Muslims
had a serious and detailed proposal calling for a UN supervised plebiscite
to create a Sovereign Muslim Nation out of the US. I can't remember if it
was to be racially segregated (all Black) or simply Muslim by
Constitution. Balkanizing Canada could give the 7,000,000 US Muslims ideas
about being a free people. Operation "Enduring Freedom" eh?
FWP

> We assert again that this is all a carefully-scripted piece of political
> theatre, orchestrated by David Rockefeller and his Council of the
> Americas, in furtherance of the larger globalist goals of Rockefeller's
> Trilateral Commission. Continental Union permits this group of globalist
> elitists to acquire Canada's multi-trillion storehouse of raw materials,
> minerals, natural resources and fresh water at virtually no cost to
> themselves: it also forms a northern bloc which can be easily melded
> with the South American bloc now being formed around Brazil, to give
> Hemispheric Union. The resulting Western Hemispheric Bloc [all of which
> will be known as "America"] will then rapidly be merged with the
> European Union and the Asian Bloc [centred on Japan] to form a World
> State [or "New World Order"]. Russia and China, however, remain the
> "wild cards" in this carefully-crafted scheme.
>
> Loucien Bouchard, now separatist Premier of Quebec, was brought into
> politics by Brian Mulroney who, after successfully selling Rockefeller's
> NAFTA to Canadian voters, now sits on the board of
> Archer-Daniels-Midland, a massive Rockefeller-owned conglomerate. His
> apparent "opponent", Prime Minister Jean Chretien, by his own admission
> never makes a decision without consulting his "counsellor, strategist
> and advisor" of 30 years, Mitchell Sharp. Mitchell Sharp has, since
> 1981, been Vice-Chairman for North America of David Rockefeller's
> Trilateral Commission. Various other powerful political personages on
> each side, including Finance Minister Paul Martin, came from Paul Desmarais' 
>powerful Power Corporation: Paul Desmarais is a member of the Trilateral Commission; 
>Jean Chretien's daughter is married to his son.
>
> Ontario Premier Mike Harris and Alberta Premier Ralph Klein, both mentioned in this 
>editorial, are Bilderbergers. Harris attended the 1996 Toronto meeting of the 
>secretive Bilderberg Group, as did also Paul Martin, Jean Chretien, and Minister of 
>Foreign Affairs
> Lloyd Axworthy.
>
> It need hardly be said that David Rockefeller was also in attendance.
> For additional background information on this premeditated and concerted
> plan to "sell out" Cana

Re: [CTRL] Quick list question


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stealing bob wilson characters just doesn't wash
sorry
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> Quick list question>I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list
> live
>> (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
>
>> i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth
>
> I live in the Texas Schoolbook Depository.
> - The Dealy Lama
>
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> "Try again: draw a long breath and shut your eyes."
> Alice laughed.  "There's no use trying," she said;
> "one can't believe impossible things."
> "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said
> the Queen.  "When I was your age, I always did it for
> half an hour a day.  Why sometimes I've believed as
> many as six impossible things before breakfast."
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Re: [CTRL] Saturday Funnies-ATTORNEY GENERAL: "AMERICA MUST CEASE TO BE A LURID STATUARY OF


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From: "Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> "22": Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day,
> witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those
> which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
> "23": That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that
> should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to
> the Gentiles.

Uh, what's this "first that should rise from the dead" stuff?  What of
Lazarus? This crap is supposed to be 100% inerrant, right? "Ah, Houston, we
have a problem ..."

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question


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Quick list question>I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list
live
>(no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)

>i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth

I live in the Texas Schoolbook Depository.
- The Dealy Lama

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"Try again: draw a long breath and shut your eyes."
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"one can't believe impossible things."
   "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said
the Queen.  "When I was your age, I always did it for
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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread RobG


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Upstate New York.

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread Molli Wolf


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small town in Se Washington state
molli

I always wonder how people can afford to live in manhatten
anymore...

>
> I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
> (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
>
> i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth
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> the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally
> alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest
> dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal,
> well-meaning but without understanding.
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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread Mark McHugh

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thew wrote:
>
> I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
> (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
>
> i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth
>

Near St.Louis, Missouri, US.

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[CTRL] Franklin Delano Bush


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From
http://www.strike-the-root.com/sartre1.html

}}}>Begin
 Strike The Root

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is
striking at the root.

Bush the Next FDR?

by SARTRE

"My call tonight is for every American to commit at least two years--
4,000 hours over the rest of your lifetime--to the service of your
neighbors and your nation."

"We will be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait
on events while dangers gather. I will not stand by as peril draws
closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the
world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most
destructive weapons."

Text of State of the Union: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/
story.hts/politics/1230561

These words seem to project calls to action that many will accept as
being reasonable. But what exactly are the methods and consequences
for following such goals?

The USA Freedom Corps! What exactly is: "extending American
compassion throughout the world"? It sure rings like nation building,
doesn't it? When Bush seeks to expand the AmeriCorps, Senior Corps
and the Peace Corps it sure sounds like the Civilian Conservation
Corps of FDR. Just what does 'voluntarism' mean for George Jr.?

Does our duty as a citizen extend to service to the State or to our
neighbor and community? Those who confuse legitimate charity for
worthy causes with service in government programs, enter a very
dangerous arena. If the claim for national service rests upon a moral
duty, where is the evidence that any national government has ever
fulfilled their duty to American citizens?

We are living in a shadow vestige of what this nation once was.
Government was about serving and protecting her people. Now the call
is to serve the apparatus that serves itself, at the expense of the
citizen. How fine it would be if social service organizations would
be benign government programs, but the horrible record of State
agendas destroys the noble purpose of volunteer compassion.

Have we lost all proportion when it comes to the miserable record of
bureaucratic programs? If President Bush purports to be a Republican,
why expand Socialism? We cannot accept hideous schemes in the spirit
of bipartisanship. The correct role for government has been abandoned
for over a century. Now we see emerging the West Texas version of
Hyde Park.

The long fight to abolish the draft, may well need to be fought
again. This time, the idea expands to a post graduate course in state
service for our youth. The task of indoctrination wasn't completed in
the government schools, so on the job training becomes necessary.
This is not the kind of public service that bears healthy fruits. And
who among us cannot see the seeds planted for voluntary blending into
a disguised form of compulsory?

Couple this domestic twist with the approach of the War Party for
security, and we must wonder just who is being protected. It sure
smells like preemptive strikes are on the horizon. In the fine
tradition of the Israeli air strike against the Iraq's nuclear
facility in 1981, we are being prepared for more tortured
justification in international law. Preventive aggression without
declaring war is an insult to any nation that holds itself out as the
beacon of freedom for the rest of the world. If this 'axis of evil'
is so diabolical, and must be confronted, do it legally and get
Congress to declare war!

One need not defend a deviant tyrannical regime to implore their own
country to observe constitutional requirements. The current course in
interventionist rule, guarantees perpetual warfare. Attempts to
validate arrogance of power as legitimate under the ruse of self
defense, stretches common sense to unnatural limits. Bush views this
quest as a fight against pure evil. Crusades without prudence end in
carnage. If the goal is to protect America, how is this country
served when three new enemies are being programmed into the GPS
targeting system, when their abilities to strike our shores are
limited to cells of fanatics?

Are Americans so bewildered that such unilateral assaults will have
more in common with the desperation of imperial Japan, when they
launched their attack on Pearl Harbor, than a holy cause for saving
the world? If the weapons of mass destruction are ready to be used,
does it make sense to initiate a doomsday scenario, when Red China
may well side with her Asian cousins? It is one thing to correct
inadequacies in political objectives after the Gulf War, with
attempts to defuse the aggression of Saddam Hussein. But what exactly
has been achieved with over ten years of flyover confrontations,
while we still buy his oil? Real grass root dissent exists in Iran,
so why is Bush so willing to regenerate national solidarity against
that Satan infidel?

No folks, this is a very dangerous policy to pursue. If the political
elites are allowed to galvanize their 'policeman of the world'
strategy, America will act like a thug. Real an

[CTRL] Who You Know Determines What You Blow


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We have to worry about Johnnie A.  With little stories like the part
of the one that follows, and now with the peripheral involvement of
the Bushies in Enron and who knows what else, the idea of "cover-up"
naturally occurs in the minds of many.  But: is "cover-up" just a
notion of those who are by nature skeptics?  We read now that Johnnie
A's group has taken the time to ensure that images of the DoJ's
"Spirit" and "Majesty" statues are properly draped; we can wonder if
this is something a little more subtley subliminal about "covering-
up".  The statues have been there since the 30ies, through all kinds
of administrations and all kinds of people, but it takes a Bushie to
perhaps -- by obfuscation, after the fashion of Rush L -- to reveal
what is actually what's going on.  A<>E<>R

The whole article @
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/01/12/ashcroft_nephew/index
.html

> Attorney General-designate John Ashcroft.
>
> Ashcroft's nephew got probation after major pot bust
> Although his arrest for growing 60 plants could have landed him in
> federal prison, Alex Ashcroft was tried in state court and avoided
> jail -- despite his uncle's crusade for tougher federal drug laws and
> mandatory prison sentences
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
> By Daniel Forbes
>
> Jan. 12, 2001 | The nephew of Attorney General-designate John Ashcroft
> received probation after a felony conviction in state court for
> growing 60 marijuana plants with intent to distribute the drug in 1992
> -- a lenient sentence, given that the charges against him often
> trigger much tougher federal penalties and jail time. Ashcroft was the
> tough-on-drugs Missouri governor at the time.

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread THe eXTReMiST

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At 12:59 PM 2/2/02 , you wrote:

>I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
>(no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)
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>i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth

Kingdom of God behind enemy lines.

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread Mermaid


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On an Island tip of southern England :o) Mermaid xx
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> RoadsEnd lives in Oregon.
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[CTRL] Afghanistan: the Balkans but BETTER


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>From http://www.iht.com/cgi-
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>>>Don't forget the opium and the boie-toies in the equation of
civilisation by bombing, a civilisation that exists only at 15K feet
above the people<<<

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Bitter Aftertaste in Afghanistan

John F. Burns New York Times Service
Saturday, February 2, 2002


2-Day Battle Is Over, but Country Struggles On Against Past

GARDEZ, Afghanistan The first major battle of the post-Taliban era
has ended after the fighters of the warlord besieging this strategic
city south of Kabul ran out of ammunition and fled the battlefront in
clouds of dust, cursing the warlord to his face for his callousness
in committing them to a fight they were doomed to lose.

The battle was over in two days, but it gave the people of Gardez a
bitter reminder of the past that Afghanistan is trying to escape
after the Taliban's collapse.

When the last shots were fired, about 50 people had been killed and
dozens of others injured. Gardez, a city of 50,000 people already
living in medieval conditions, had new scars, in the form of crumbled
masonry and broken lives and a claim by the defenders that the dead
included half a dozen children, to add to the miseries of decades of
warfare.

The interim administration of Hamid Karzai had named the defeated
warlord, Padsha Khan Zadran, to the post of governor of the region
after reluctantly concluding that the incumbent, Saifullah, who goes
by only one name, lacked sufficient political support to hang on to
the job.

Mr. Saifullah has political ties to the Northern Alliance - the anti-Taliban group 
that forms the backbone of the Karzai administration. These ties had proved a 
liability among his fellow Pashtuns, the southern tribal gro
up that predominates and that largely backed the Taliban.

But he mustered enough military muscle to drive off the forces of Mr. Zadran, who met 
fierce resistance when they tried to enter the city Wednesday and proved unable to 
press their assault Thursday.

The defeated Mr. Zadran is seen by many Afghans as a symbol of the brutality of the 
last 20 years. So while his humiliation in seeking to take the job to which he had 
been appointed clearly illustrated the limits of Mr. K
arzai's authority, it also suggested that Afghanistan is determined to build a 
different future.

Both sides insisted that they were supporting the government of Mr. Karzai, and both 
sides offered a chorus of vituperation, to anybody who asked, of the Taliban and Al 
Qaeda.

Both sides had former Taliban fighters in their ranks, inevitable in a country where 
men with guns re- badge themselves in fealty to every new power that comes along.

In terms of raw manpower, they were indistinguishable. Both forces, overwhelmingly, 
were composed of men and boys as young as 14 and so poor that they had no shoelaces, 
no socks, no gloves for the bitter winter cold, and,
 on the besieging side, no food of any kind, and nothing to drink but water running 
from the winter snows.

On both days of fighting, American warplanes circled overhead, heedless of Mr. 
Zadran's hints to an American reporter that American air power should settle the 
battle in his favor because of the presence of what he called
 Al Qaeda Arabs among the city's defenders.

The claims seemed unlikely on their face, since American special forces had been 
encamped outside Gardez for several weeks without any American military attacks on the 
city.

In the end, Mr. Zadran's own forces disowned him, at least as far as it involved his 
ambitions in Gardez.

As the sun set, rocket launchers and mortars that the warlord had installed on the 
heights above the city to the south fell silent.

For hours, the city had been subjected to heavy shellfire from weapons left behind by 
the Soviet troops who had occupied Afghanistan in the 1980s and manned by veterans of 
the Muslim guerrilla resistance, men now grizzled
, with white beards and failing eyes.

Within minutes, the scene at the front lines suddenly took on the
shape of a defeated army in headlong flight, with men and boys
streaming down from the hills on foot, scrambling not to fall in the
path of "commanders" who roared past them in the Toyota Hi-Lux
pickups that are the vehicle of choice for bearded men with guns and
at least a little authority in Afghanistan.



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Re: [CTRL] Has the Pentagram Replaced the Swastika?

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On 2 Feb 02, at 16:08, Jei wrote:

> Is this happening anywhere else?

We have search lights up here where I live.  I think it's more a aid
for the anti-aircraft batteries looking for errant aeroplanes.

a pentagram incorporated into their
> logo

How old is this person?  Has he avoided noting the Pentagon has five
sides; the stars in the US flag has had 5-pointers for how long?  The
stars on aerospace vehicles all the way back to the First Great War,
not to mention generals and enlisted persons' rank indicators?

Van Gogh had some intersting renditions of stars.  Perhaps the writer
of the original might concentrate on those for a while.  Seems like
he's going in Van Gogh's direction anyway.

A<>E<>R

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread Tenorlove

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Joisey.

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is the rest of the article


> Deadly Dengue Epidemic Grows Ahead of Rio Carnival
> Fri Feb 1, 6:25 PM ET
>
> By Andrei Khalip
>
> RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) - Health officials struggled to
> control an outbreak of dengue fever in Rio de Janeiro as the
> picturesque tourist mecca prepared to host millions of visitors for
> next week's annual Carnival parades.
>
>
> Officials said Friday the mosquito-borne disease may have killed as
> many as 17 people and infected 10,500 in Rio de Janeiro state in the
> past month. The outbreak was mainly affecting metropolitan Rio's
> outskirts, and officials sought to assure Carnival-goers that steps
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[CTRL] This is Good Info

2002-02-02 Thread Bill Richer


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Do you smell the New World ODOR?

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Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War!

1. Under the guise of "Homeland Security" can Martial Law be declared
fulfilling it's decree with foreign troops on American soil?

2. Does the Constitution allow for an occupation of foreign troops, martial
law or no martial law?

3.  Does the Constitution allow for the United States to be a member of the
United Nations?

4.  Does the Constitution allow for the United States Military to be under
any foreign command?

In Judge Cooley's book, Constitutional Limitations, on page 706 it says:
"In the American Constitutional system, the power to establish the ordinary
police regulations has been left with the individual States and it can not be
taken from them, either wholly or in part, and exercised under legislation of
Congress.  Neither can the National Government through any of its departments
and officers, assume any supervision of police regulations of the States."

Congressman Ron Paul has stated:
"If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have:  no federal
meddling in our schools;  no Federal Reserve;  no U.S. membership in the UN;
no gun control; and no foreign aid.  We would have no welfare for big
corporations, or the "poor";  no American troops in 100 foreign countries, no
NAFTA, GATT, or "fast-track";  no arrogant federal judges usurping states
rights; no attacks on private property; no income tax.  We could get rid of
most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the
budget.  The government would be small, frugal, and limited."

United Nations - Greatest Fraud

Provided by: Committee to Restore the Constitution - Lt.Col, Archibald E.
Roberts - AUS, ret.

The United Nations is the Greatest Fraud in all History- It's purpose is to
Destroy the United States... Congressman John E. Rankin

THE TRUTH - By Lt.Col "Bud" Farrell, USAF, ret.

When I was a young officer and jet fighter pilot flying missions in the
Korean Conflict (unknowingly under the command of a Soviet General of the
United Nations Security Council), I could never understand HOW THE ENEMY KNEW
SO MUCH ABOUT US, as broadcast almost daily over the communist Pyongyang
radio station in North Korea.

Our wives' names, children's names, Squadron Commander names, flight numbers,
etc.! The North Koreans knew when we were coming, how many of us there were,
what type of aircraft we were flying and even the targets we were to hit.
Later I realized that the naval and ground forces suffered the same fate that
we did, especially our Army and Marine infantry troops.

All of our military operations had to be forwarded by radio to the Soviet
Commander of the United Nations Security Council at the United Nations
Building, New York City, for approval before our forces went into action
against the North Koreans and Red Chinese. The Soviet Commander of the United
Nations Security Council delayed the battle plans until he used the radios in
the United Nations Building in New York to relay all our "battle planning
information" to Moscow, North Korea and Red China.

The enemy then contacted and relayed these battle plans to their communist
forces in the field. The enemy knew when to move from an area and when to
attack our smaller fighting forces. They knew beforehand when we were coming
and how many of us there were. They knew everything about us all the time -
24 hours a day!!!

I later found this same form of "treason" was used against our forces in the
Vietnam War. All information regarding "every battle plan in Vietnam" was
given to the North Vietnamese, Soviets (Advisors), and Viet Cong Troops in
the field DURING THE ENTIRE WAR. The enemy knew our every move at all times.

Our troops were led like sheep to the slaughter in both Korea and Viet Nam.
Like blind fools we sent our combat plans to the enemy for approval.

There was a standing joke among us fighter pilots. "That Moscow had a file on
each and every one of us." How little did we really know. Every mission,
every movement was compromised! General Walt, former Commander of the United
States Marine Corps, reflected upon this information in his book that was
written in the early 1980's. This was never allowed to appear in any
bookstore in the United States. During the Korean and Viet Nam conflicts,
thousands of our fighting men were mentally or physically incapacitated
BECAUSE OF THIS TREASON! To this day, the Soviets (or someone from one of
their satellite countries) are the only ones who can command the United
Nations "World Police Forces".

Each and every one of us that served in Korea or Vietnam served under the
total command of a Soviet General! Here are the names of the soviets and the
dates they served as "Under-Secretary of the Security Council of the United
Nations," thus the highest military commander of all United Nations fighting
forces anywhere in the world, INCLUDING ALL MILITARY FORCES OF THE UNITED
STATES. These names and in

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: FW: Space and Mind Control: Peace in Space Bill, USA Congress


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This is story of Witch of Endor who raised Samuel and it scared the hell
out of her.  My witch friend and her psychic friends (real ones big time
stuff) used to meet at House of Sun and act as sendersmany received
messages in the night from these witches who were good witches of the
West.and did not even know it at the time.   Even Elvis Presley was
subject to these senders who are powerful - say like priests and nuns at
the Josephinian in Columbus who pray all night for safety in the
streets.

So believe it or not, here is story of Endor but also keep in mind my
old friend used to do some exorcisms for this one man who was Mafia, and
was at Amityville with the once great Hans Holzer who wanted her to come
back home to ghost busting and lay off the JFK assassination stuff.

Strange things happen but it is like - consider your whole house is now
wired, for cable..and no doubt some neurotransmitters are working
over time picking up a lot of good stuff and not knowing the thoughts
they receive, and the things they do, were not their thoughts or deeds
of their own doing.

The Late Great David Thomas, Hamberger King - bought the House of Sun
for 3 million bucks which was lots of big bucks then but now, maybe
worth 8 million bucksmany peacocks run about or did on this
beautiful piece of propertywhere Indian and Banana River meet 

Osaba


1 Samuel, chapter 28

"1": And it came to pass in those days, that the Philistines gathered
their armies together for warfare, to fight with Israel. And Achish said
unto David, Know thou assuredly, that thou shalt go out with me to
battle, thou and thy men.

"2": And David said to Achish, Surely thou shalt know what thy servant
can do. And Achish said to David, Therefore will I make thee keeper of
mine head for ever.

"3": Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried
him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had
familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land.

"4": And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and
pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they
pitched in Gilboa.

"5": And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and
his heart greatly trembled.

"6": And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not,
neither by dreams nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

"7": Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a
familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his
servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar
spirit at Endor.

"8": And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went,
and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said,
I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up,
whom I shall name unto thee.

"9": And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath
done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the
wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my
life, to cause me to die?

"10": And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth,
there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

"11": Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said,
Bring me up Samuel.

"12": And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and
the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art
Saul.

"13": And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou?
And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

"14": And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man
cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it
was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed
himself.

"15": And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me
up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make
war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more,
neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that
thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

"16": Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the
LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

"17": And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD
hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour,
even to David:

"18": Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst
his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing
unto thee this day.

"19": Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand
of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me:
the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the
Philistines.

"20": Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore
afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in
him; f

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Dear Friends,

Yesterday afternoon, around 12:30pm, Clackamas County Sheriffs Department
arrested my husband, Fritz Springmeier, and placed him in Multinomah County
Detention Center.  When I asked them what the warrant charges were they said
the charges were federal and that they were placing him on a U.S. Marshall
Hold.

Fritz managed to call me around 4:30pm to tell me that he was OK.  Our
conversation was cut short because they wanted the inmates for intake.  He
seemed to think that he would be arraigned on Monday.

I dont know what else to say except the obvious - that the times we live in
are so frightening.  What are we all going to do?  Fritz wanted me to let you
all know what was going on.  Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.

May God help us all,


Patty Springmeier


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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread holliekins


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> >I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question


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Well Neuropsychotic - do not tell Joshua2 where I live for he threatened
to sent "Moshe the Masher" to get me.   Then there was this LeRoy Brown
who wrote (not just me but did target me) this man wrote he was going to
get sawed off shotgun and shoot my dog and then shoot me.   I wrote back
a nice note.   Never heard from him again, but then I also changed my
name?

So I live in a small suburb outside the once great City of Columbus,
Ohio  once the home of Dave Thomas, the Hamberger King but he escaped to
Florida and did not have to pay tribute in form of inheritiance taxes,
to this once great City of Columbus.

Do not know how long I can last here  they are circling the
wagons...we all keep our powder dry and obey George Bush and most of
the people I know are loaded for - come to think of it most of them are
loaded every Saturday night.

Sayonara Baby,

If you come to see me, ring twice, hang up and call again and I still
will not be homeIf you knock at my door - well meet my big black
Rotweiller (whom I call Moshe the Mangler) and my brave Pit Bull,
Maxwell (some might call her a junk yard dog, but she is ENGLISH - and
we all know God was an Englishman.

OSaba

Do not pay any attention at my sign ' Enter at Own Risk, The Lady of
House is Crack Shot, Look out for the Alligatorsand Small
Quarantined Black Death Maybe signs.

Just to ward off Evil Demons, like Moshe the Masher - so if anything
happens to me this bagal hole Joshua2 and Moshe did it.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Andrew Sullivan's selective Enron outrage


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Years ago I worked for a great man - thisi man was  millionaire and
Sportsman.

I was very young then, and every Friday I was given this cash to mail to
4 different Sportscasters evenly divided, and I so did without question.

Finally one day I asked the bookkeeper for what reason was this money
being sent to these 4 well known men - two TV Sportscasters and two News
Sports Writers.

It was payolla.So one day I said you shouldl not have to pay this it
is illegal for them to take it.  So this great man did not like this one
guy anyway, so he cut him off.

then cut off the rest of them.

One day he came and stood besideme and smiled and said - hey, you know
that.(he was in the masons too)well this sportscaster had
called a guy named Barnhart in Chicago and he wanted this man to run my
boss out of town.

We all thought it was funny but even funnier when this sportscaster
realized that my old boss and Mr. Barnhart were life long friends.

My boss did this just for a plug - but he also gave big bucks to
congressmen who would come in occasionally and big Mayors and he gave to
all equally but he had no reason to so do.  For he alwayspaid his taxes,
no more no less than he owed and would not permit any cheating or cute
stuff.

When he died this one masonic lawyer had stolen nearly 3 million dollars
along with his henchmen, from his accountswhile he lay helpless
having suffered a stroke.

Due to my testimony I will say this - one went to the slammer and the
other was forced to leave town for many years.

So Wall Street reporters and these people are on the take big
timethese guys only made few thousand illegally every year, but
Ihope they nail Larry King, Geraldo, and by their fruits don't you know
them all by now?

Like the ones who got in all the plugs for Tiger Woods when he first
came to Muirfield.and this one famous golfer said hey we are playing
tooand Tiger came in 60th that day.

FCC should look into these bums.like the old garbage music disc
jockeys were paid to play over and over.but they all got caught.

It is true - they are all a bunch of cheap crooks.

But I never enjoyed it so much in my life, when my old Godfather cut off
the funding to a bunch of sharks who would not give him a word or two,
without being paid "under the table" - the term was always "slip him a
few bucks", don't argue.

This one guy just retired not too long ago, and let us say, he was a
real crum cake.

but see now why all these wonderful releases about ENRON which they
wrote all about themselves, even Fortune got suckered in.

Such is the life, of murder inc.

OSaba

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[CTRL] Fwd: Satanism in the News




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Civil War general's skull stolen from grave

ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) - The skull of a Civil War general known as an "evil
genius" was stolen from his grave in a crime authorities believe may be part
of a satanic ritual. The remains of Gen. Elisha G. Marshall were dug up
between 8 p.m. Tuesday and 11:30 a.m. Wednesday at the city's Mt. Hope
Cemetery, police said. Some bones were found near the grave site along with
satanic symbols
Fri Jun 23 23:23 EST Casper Star-Tribune - Casper WY
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Indiana man indicted in 10 church fires

ATLANTA (AP) - An Indiana man charged with 10 church arsons could face the
death penalty for a Georgia blaze that killed a volunteer firefighter.
Federal grand juries in Atlanta and Indianapolis on Tuesday indicted
36-year-old Jay Scott Ballinger, whom Indiana police say dabbled in satanic
rituals. Ballinger is accused of seven church arsons in Indiana and three in
Georgia. It's... 
Wed Apr 21 17:44 EST Casper Star-Tribune - Casper WY
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MDO - Network - 01/21/1999
>From Father SimSaLaBim : Dear Most Esteemed Network, The Circle of Satan is
back to bring others into the fold. Alas, my plan to get a satanic student
cultural center at the University has been thwarted by the God-lovers and
do-gooders. If this is truly a "global campus," should I not have the right
to make my sacrifices using funding from student fees?
Thu Jan 21 08:00 EST University of Minnesota - MPLS MN
http://enquirer.com/editions/2000/12/16/loc_killer_family_fight.html
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Killer, family fight over money

$50,000 Lucasville settlement at issue

By Dan Horn
The Cincinnati Enquirer

        Johnny Lee Fryman smiled broadly and laughed Friday when a judge
asked him about his conviction for killing a woman in a Satanic ritual.

        His mood didn't turn serious until the judge asked him about paying
compensation to the victim's family.

        ³Nobody got no money,² Mr. Fryman snapped.


Fryman
        But the family of Mr. Fryman's victim, Monica Lemen, is confident
the convicted killer is about to collect a big cash windfall as part of a
recent court settlement.

        And the family wants to make sure Mr. Fryman never gets his hands on
the money. 

        Ms. Lemen's mother, Patricia, went to court Friday to argue that Mr.
Fryman's $50,000 court settlement should go to the victim's family and not
to the killer. 

        Patricia Lemen was awarded $1 million from Mr. Fryman in 1988 after
she filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against her daughter's killer.

        At the time, Mr. Fryman had just been convicted of the 1987 shooting
death and dismemberment of the 21-year-old Price Hill woman. Ms. Lemen's
legs were found behind a church in Indiana. The rest of her body was never
found. 

        Mr. Fryman, who is serving a life sentence, had no money when he
entered prison and was declared indigent by the courts.

        But in 1993, he was stabbed and nearly killed in the Lucasville
prison riot. He was one of several inmates awarded money as compensation for
their injuries. 

        Ms. Lemen's mother contends the money should be paid to her as
compensation for the murder of her daughter.

        ³Nothing will bring my daughter back, but I feel he shouldn't
benefit,² Patricia Lemen said. ³I'm a single mother fighting for my
daughter. She was my only child.²

        Mr. Fryman has not yet received the money, but he intends to keep it
when he does. He claims the Lemen family's $1 million judgment against him
should be thrown out because he was not properly notified of the family's
lawsuit. 

        ³I didn't have no idea about this million dollars,² he testified
Friday in Hamilton County Common Pleas Court.

        But attorneys for Mrs. Lemen showed him several letters Mr. Fryman
had sent to a lawyer in 1988 and 1989 about the Lemen family's lawsuit.

        Judge Norbert Nadel said the letters raised ³very serious questions²
about Mr. Fryman's credibility. The judge will not rule on the case until
next month, but he verbally sparred with Mr. Fryman several times during the
hearing Friday. 

        ³There's no question you did it, right?² Judge Nadel asked,
referring to Ms. Lemen's murder. ³Did you do it?²

        Mr. Fryman smiled and laughed a little, then refused to answer.

        Earlier in the hearing, Mr. Fryman blamed his interest in Satanism
on an old girlfriend. ³I fell in the wrong love with the wrong woman,² he
explained.


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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] A transit authority censors drug war dissenters




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http://www.reason.com/sullum/020102.shtml


February 1, 2002

Banned in Boston
A transit authority censors drug war dissenters
By Jacob
Sullum

The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority does not agree with the
messages that Change the Climate, a drug policy reform group, wants to put on
trains and buses in Boston. But it can't just say that.
As a government agency, forbidden by the First Amendment to pick and choose
among viewpoints, the MBTA has to pretend it has other reasons for turning down
the ads. In a trial that begins today, a federal judge will decide whether any
of these fig leaves is big enough to cover the transit authority's naked attempt
to squelch dissent.
The MBTA has had difficulty articulating a rationale for rejecting Change the
Climate's ads. "Change the Climate promotes the use of marijuana in a suttle
[sic] way and also is really a reform marijuana [sic] in a [sic] effort to
legalize," wrote Lucy Shorter, the MBTA's director of marketing and (believe it
or not) communication, in a January 2000 note that was supposed to explain the
authority's decision.
Contrary to Shorter, whose reading skills seem to be on par with her writing
ability, Change the Climate's
ads (which have already appeared in subway stations and on buses in
Washington, D.C.) do not advocate marijuana use or legalization. Rather, they
criticize current marijuana policies as excessively punitive and wasteful.
One ad features a mother who declares that "jail is a lot more dangerous than
smoking pot." Another shows a teenager who says, "Smoking pot is not cool, but
we're not stupid, ya know. Marijuana is NOT cocaine or heroin." The third, which
includes a picture of two police officers, reads, "Police are too important...to
waste on arresting people for marijuana when real criminals are on the
loose."
It's possible to agree with all these statements and still oppose both pot
smoking and legalization. More important, even if the messages went as far as
Shorter thought they did, they would still be protected by the First
Amendment.
The Supreme Court has made
it clear that speech may not be banned simply because it advocates defiance
or repeal of existing laws. The Court also has
taken a dim view of government attempts to exclude speakers from public
forums because of their opinions.
In a clumsy attempt get around this obstacle, Shorter asserted that Change
the Climate's "mission" conflicted with the MBTA's requirement that ads be of
"reputable character"--a standard so vague that it gives transit officials carte
blanche to reject messages that offend them. Bizarrely, she also claimed the ads
violated the authority's drug-free workplace policy, which prohibits using or
distributing drugs on MBTA property and working under the influence. The policy
says nothing about ads. 
The MBTA later distanced itself from Shorter's explanation, but its new
excuses were no more persuasive. MBTA General Manager Robert H. Prince Jr.
claimed the ads ran afoul of a 1995 policy against material "of a nature to
frighten children...showing them language or pictures that describe or depict
violent criminal or brutal activities...in a manner which causes a child
physical or emotional distress."
Prince's reasoning: "This [smoking pot] could put a child in jail. That's
emotional distress."
Lately the MBTA has decided the real problem with the ads is that they
violate guidelines adopted six months after they were rejected. In
particular, the authority says, the ads break rules against "violent criminal
content" and "promotional materials that is [sic] harmful to juveniles."
With the possible exception of Robert Prince, no one who looks at these ads
sees violence of any kind. And if referring to illegal activity constitutes
"criminal content," the MBTA will have to start turning down all kinds of
messages, ranging from ads for burglar alarms to the federal government's
warnings about drugs.
But what about the children? "Why should a government entity be forced to put
up a message that may be harmful to children?" Paul Cellucci, then governor of
Massachusetts, demanded after hearing about Change the Climate's lawsuit.
"That's ridiculous."
No, what's ridiculous is the assumption that a bunch of bureaucrats can
objectively identify which messages are so "harmful to children" that they can't
be tolerated. Such an exercise would quickly become a pretext for shutting out
controversial viewpoints.
The MBTA has been repeatedly chastised by federal courts for doing just that
in cases involving abortion, "safe sex," and animal rights. If law and logic
prevail, it's in for yet another rebuke. Maybe this time it will get the
message. Jacob Sullum's weekly column is
distributed by Creators Syndicate. If you'd like to see it in your local
newspaper, write or call the editorial page
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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

2002-02-02 Thread Bill Kalivas


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RoadsEnd lives in Oregon.

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To:  The U.S. Senate

Petition to the Senate to Investigate Oddities Involving  9/11 Terrorist Attacks 
  
We, the undersigned, do hereby petition the Senate of the United States of America to thoroughly investigate the events surrounding the acts of terrorism that transpired in the United States on September 11, 2001. Such an investigation would include research into the following peculiarities relating to the terrorist attacks on the United States on 9/11:  
  
1.) Thousands of put stock options that were purchased on United and American airlines immediately prior to 9/11/01 
  
2.) Financial transactions totaling more than 100 million dollars that electronically passed through the World Trade Center immediately prior to its destruction on 9/11 
  
3.) Black-box recordings from the four planes which crashed on  9/11 
  
4.) Cell phone calls made by passengers on hijacked flights on 9/11 which never emerged on their cell-phone bills 
  
5.) Interviews of any air-traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 
  
6.) Eyewitness accounts detailing Flight 93's explosion prior to its crashing 
  
7.) Aircraft debris strewn approximately seven miles from the crash site of Flight 93 
  
8.) Unocal's role in its quest to build an oil pipeline across Afghanistan, plans implemented prior to 2001 
  
9.) Carlyle Corporation's role in overseeing Unocal's quest to have an oil pipeline built across Afghanistan, plans implemented prior to 2001 
  
10.) Role of remote-control software technology implemented in 9/11 hijackings and crashes 
 
11.) George W. Bush's possible foreknowledge of the terrorist attacks on 9/11 
  
12.) Role of the Northern Alliance in explosive growth of opium production in Afghanistan after U.S. military intervention  
  
  
We respectfully petition the Senate to make public the results of this investigation. 
  



Sincerely,

The Undersigned












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[CTRL] Fwd: Harvard Watch's Report on Harvard & Enron




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TO: THE SOLARI ACTION NETWORK

DATE: FEBRUARY 2, 2002

Harvard Watch's "Trading Truth: A Report on Harvard's Enron Entanglements"
by Catherine Austin Fitts, Solari

http://www.truthout.com/02.02G.Harvard.Watch.htm

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Re: [CTRL] This Just It- Gulf On Tonkin Was A Lie. (Like duh!!)

-Caveat Lector-

P.T. Barnum was no fool. But the easiest way to lie to people is in the name of
"patriotism," especially in a time of "war." Hey, gotta prop up that defense
budget somehow.

Or find your suckers in a sideshow at a carnival, as Barnum did ... hard to tell
which is which anymore.

- jt

- Original Message -
From: "Nakano Nakamura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> --- William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 07 2001
>  LBJ tape 'confirms Vietnam war error'
>  PRESIDENT Johnson admitted in a secret tape
>  recording that the incident he used to win
>  congressional approval for the Vietnam war probably
>  never happened
> 
> Nakano comments:
> 3 years ago, former Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara
> publicly admitted that the so-called "Gulf of Tonkin
> Incident" was a lie. The President of the United
> States
> went on national TV and told the American People that
> American ships had been attacked by North Viet nam.
> Lyndon Johnson was lying through his teeth and he knew
> it! Johnson told this lie to provide the excuse he
> needed to launch direct U.S. combat involvement
> against North Vietnam.
> In 1964, if anyone had tried to tell Americans their
> President was lying to them, they would have been
> ignored or shouted down.
> In 1941, if anyone had tried to tell Americans their
> President was lying to them about Pearl Harbor and the
> "Day of Infamy", they would have been mobbed
> and beaten.
> Today in 2002, if anyone tries to tell Americans their
> President is lying to them about the attacks of
> September 11th, they are called traitors and
> no one will listen to them.
> It's like 3rd and 4th remakes of an old movie and
> the script fools Americans every time.
> Nakano
>

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In Defense of Michael Jordan
February 2 , 2002 - by Glenn J. Sacks
Michelle loves her career. She always has. But her husband doesn't want her
to keep the job she loves. He wants her at home. Read it
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/glennsacks/2002/020202.htm

Stop Political Correctness in N.J. Schools
February 2, 2002 - 60-Second Activist Club
As Gary Bauer of the Campaign for Working Families (www.cwfpac.com) notes,
the education bureaucrats who run New Jersey's schools have succumbed
completely to political correctness. They have just issued new history
standards that dropped George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin
Franklin, along with the Pilgrims and the Mayflower. Read it
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/60-secondactivist/2002/020202.htm

O'MALLEY HUNTS DOWN JIM RYAN BOUNTY HUNTER STYLE
February 2, 2002 - by John Birch, Concealed Carry
Jim Ryan thought he'd be doing his usual solo speech at the City Club
yesterday about how great he is. Imagine his surprise yesterday when he
finished his speech and the first one in line to ask him a question
was...SENATOR PATRICK O'MALLEY! Read it
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/concealedcarry/2002/020202.htm

Bush, the next FDR?
February 2 , 2002 - by Sartre
The USA Freedom Corps! What exactly is: "extending American compassion
throughout the world." ? It sure rings like nation building, doesn't it?
When Bush seeks to expand the AmeriCorps, Senior Corps and the Peace Corps
it sure sounds like the Civilian Conservation Corps of FDR. Just what does
'voluntarism' mean for George Jr? Read it
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/sartre/2002/020202.htm

A 21ST CENTURY KID WHO HATES GOD (federal education at work)
February 2, 2002 - by Dorothy Anne Seese
There's a particular grocery store I patronize here in Sun City because the
disabled parking is very convenient to the store and their baggers will also
help older and/or disabled folks cart the stuff to their vehicles and put
the bags and jugs of water into the car. In my case, I drive a pickup truck,
and the passenger seat and passenger-side floor are my loading and hauling
space. Read it
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/dorothyseese/2002/020202.htm

Assistance to "Endangered" rural communities. A fully equipped mobile
communications and media center. (AKA The War Wagon)
February 2, 2002 - by The Paragon Foundation
The Paragon Foundation took the "Grassroots" message to tens of millions of
Americans in 2001 by print and electronic publications, radio and
television. We are conceivably the most national powerful voice for rural
America. It has taken years to forge our relationships with the national
media and we work with them cautiously. We have found out the hard way who
to trust and who to avoid. We use our presence to present the truth about
ranchers, farmers, miners, loggers and all resource producers that are under
federal regulatory and environmentalist guns. In short, we are very
successful in exposing wrongs and influencing public opinion with the truth.
Read it
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/paragon/2002/020202.htm

THE PLAN TO SURRENDER AMERICA TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER - Part 5
February 2, 2002 - Committee to Restore the Constitution
To implement the U.N. takeover, of course, it is necessary to go through the
motions of translating the policy of State Department Publication 7277 into
so-called law and to assure brainwashed Americans that this `law' is in
their own best interest. Read it
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/crc/2002/020202.htm

JUST A MATTER OF TIME!
February 2, 2001 - by Albert V. Burns
"Your papers, please!" Anyone who has traveled in foreign countries becomes
abundantly familiar with that command. Practically everywhere you turn and
whatever you want to do, you hear that phrase: "YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE!" Read
it
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/alburns/2002/020202.htm

Part I: The State Department Cover-Up of KAL Flight 007
February 2, 2002 - by Todd Brendan Fahey
It is a story that no one wants to talk about anymore--not ideological
colleagues Congressman Bob Stump (R-AZ, left) and former Senator Steve Symms
(R-ID, right), nor from any quarter of the State Department: the
assassination on September 1, 1983, of a United States Congressman aboard a
passenger airliner at the hands of Soviet fighter jets. A southern Democ

[CTRL] Fwd: Tidal Wave Of Cash




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Multiply Your Profits Five Times Over... Even As Alan Greenspan
Destroys The Dollar!


Dear Daily Reckoning Reader,

I hope you can swim...

Because our friend Alan Greenspan is trying to save the world
again -- by flooding it with cash! The Fed dumped $20 billion of
paper currency into circulation last year... cranking the total
up to $540 billion...  or twice the amount circulating at the
start of the 1990s. That's not all...

M3 -- the broadest measure of the money supply -- has
skyrocketed a trillion dollars in just the last two years...

The total "money of zero maturity" (MZM) -- the coupon pass
system the Fed uses to lend money to banks --  is climbing in
excess of 20%...

And all this after Alan slashed interest rates a record 11 times
in 2001!

Yep.  The printing presses at the Fed are burning red hot. And
credit is looser than ever.  What's it matter to Peoria?


I Can Help You Make 500% Profits or Better, Even As Most
Investors Drown!

What the Fed wants is to keep the stock market afloat.  What
they want to do is keep America from sliding into recession.
What they'll get, however, is a disaster. Get ready.

Because millions of dollars are going to evaporate on Wall
Street.  Piles of retirement savings will plunge in value. And
America's paper currency -- right now at the peak of its power
-- will go down in flames!

But that's only half the reason I'm writing you today. See,
there's a way to play this crisis to a huge advantage...

Not only can you hedge yourself against the risk of a plummeting
dollar... you could pile up a hefty fortune too!

Already my readers and I are cashing in. You could be, too.  In
fact, we just hauled in a 668% return on Metallica Resources.
We're going to make more.  A lot more. Let me explain...


This Could Be One Of The Most Shocking Moneymaking Opportunities
In Decades

Around the world, everybody loves greenbacks. Last year was one
of the worst for news in recent history -- with political crisis
between the U.S. and China, terrorism, war, a crashing stock
market -- but the dollar held together like a champ.

It's holding up against the euro, too.

Even Russian mafioso use U.S. paper money as the basis of all
trade. The dollar is, without a doubt, today's worldwide reserve
currency.

So maybe you'll think I'm nuts to predict a stunning reversal.
Then again, maybe you won't.  Before you make up your mind, take
a look at this:

- Worldwide, derivatives keep stock markets afloat.  Derivatives
are just a way to bet on anything -- stock futures, interest
rates, indexes.  In a rising market, they make you rich.  Fast.
In a dropping market, they make you poor just as fast.  If not
faster. Don't think you can handle the risk. Derivatives sunk
Enron, once America's 7th largest company.

- Derivatives sunk Long-Term Capital Management.  And Barings
Bank. Not even top accountants fully understand how these things
work.

- Why care? Because some estimates put the total derivatives
market at $100 trillion worldwide!  (Or almost 11 times larger
than the entire U.S. economy!)

- Can you imagine derivatives sinking a whole stock market all
at once?  Or an entire country?  Guess what -- they just did!

- Stupid derivative investments wiped out Orange County,
California -- one of the richest municipalities in America back
in 1995.  And just weeks ago, they caused riots, chaos and
government collapse in Argentina.

What does this have to do with the value of the dollar?

Nothing yet.  But it will.  Because American markets and the
American economy are in much more danger than most investors
comprehend.  In fact, even without derivatives, the confidence
bubble in the dollar is like a dam about to burst.  But you
don't have to take my word for it.  See for yourself.  The facts
are piling up like sandbags:

- Merrill Lynch's chief economist says, "The unemployment rate
is headed for 6%."  Since January of last year, payrolls have
fallen by 800,000.

- Standard & Poor's top economist sees companies shedding 2
million jobs... with unemployment hitting 6.5% before the end of
this year.

- According to Business Week, after Sept. 11 big corporate tech
orders have been put on indefinite hold.

- Auto analyst Stephen J. Girsky sees car sales slumping from 17
million in 2000 down to 15.2 million by the end of 2002.

- Our trade account deficit has ballooned to over $600 million.
Partly because, with the strong dollar, nobody overseas can
afford American goods anymore.

- Over the last 10 years, corporate debt exploded 88%...
household mortgages skyrocketed 82%... and the U.S. national
debt, already over $5.7 trillion, shoots up another $123 million
every single day.

With these massive imbalances crashing ashore, is it any wonder
Alan Greenspan letting loose an ocean of cash?  He's only doing
what the Fed has always done in times of crisis.  Why?  Because
the Fed knows that when consumers have cash, they buy things.
And they get to pay off debts with devalued dollars

[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Enron scandal, big losses put Morgan's judgment in question




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GATA NOTE: J.P. Morgan/Chase shares fell
5.5 percent Friday, after this news story
was published.



Charges of collusion with Enron, big losses
raise questions about J.P. Morgan's judgment

By E. Scott Reckard
Los Angeles Times
February 1, 2002

In the rubble of recent financial collapses,
one prestigious institution seems especially
vulnerable: J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., the
nation's second-largest bank.

The New York company, a lead lender to Enron
Corp., Kmart Corp., and telecommunications
firm Global Crossing Ltd., is at risk of
losing billions in dealings with bankrupt
firms, as well as losing heavily in
Argentina's economic meltdown.

J.P. Morgan also lost $1.1 billion last year
on its stakes in businesses, including many
ailing technology companies, and is accused
by insurers of helping Enron conceal vast
losses. Morgan strongly disputes the charge,
but the allegation, coupled with the hefty
losses, raises questions about the judgment
of an institution that traces its roots back
more than 200 years. The bank's woes,
accompanied by sizable losses on loans at
many other financial giants, also reveal
chinks in a banking industry generally
regarded as a pillar for the nation's
recovery from an economic slowdown and from
Sept. 11.

J.P. Morgan fares badly in comparison with
big competitors such as Citigroup Inc., the
largest U.S. banking concern, and Bank of
America Inc., the third-largest. Despite
their huge losses in Argentina, Enron and
other corporate collapses, Citigroup earned
$4 billion and BofA posted a profit of $2
billion in the fourth quarter, bolstered in
part by robust consumer lending.

Morgan, by contrast, lost $332 million in the
fourth quarter, compared with a $708-million
profit a year earlier. For the year, the
company still earned $1.6 billion.

Wall Street's skittishness over projected
losses at J.P. Morgan has been apparent in
the steady stock selloff in recent weeks
after a "parade of train wrecks," in the
words of analyst E. Reilly Tierney at Fox-
Pitt Kelton in New York.

The stock, which traded above $40 early in
December, hovered near $32 this week before
closing Thursday at $34.05, up 99 cents a
share, on the New York Stock Exchange.

Some analysts remain bullish on Morgan,
saying the institution is fundamentally sound
and the financial setbacks are only
temporary. And by some industry measures,
J.P. Morgan's financials look sturdy. A key
ratio of nonperforming assets to total
assets, for example, was just 0.87 percent as
of Dec. 31, well below the 2 percent figure
regarded as a sign of potential trouble.

Investors' concerns surfaced in December
after Enron's bankruptcy, when J.P. Morgan,
which had a reputation for usually disclosing
bad news promptly and completely, suddenly
tripled its estimate of its potential Enron
losses, to $2.6 billion.

Nearly $1 billion of the total stemmed from
insurers' refusals to pay Enron-related
claims on unfulfilled energy contracts. The
insurers contended in a lawsuit filed in
federal court in New York that the losses
resulted from J.P. Morgan's setting up "sham"
offshore energy trading concerns to do
business with Enron.

J.P. Morgan contends its energy trading
companies were above-board, adding that --
unlike Enron -- it included the results on
its balance sheets.

The bank also says the hefty loan losses from
the mammoth bankruptcies are a result of J.P.
Morgan's position as the leading arranger of
the biggest credit lines to the biggest
businesses. These so-called syndicated loans
are carved up and shared by dozens of banks.

"We're handling 40 percent of the syndicated
loans, and when companies go down we tend to
be exposed," said J.P. Morgan spokeswoman
Kristin Lemkau.

But other banks in the syndicates typically
take on responsibility for more than 90
percent of the amounts lent. Though J.P.
Morgan arranged $1.6 billion in credit lines
for Kmart, for example, it had just $117
million in unsecured loans when the retailer
filed for bankruptcy last month. Likewise,
though J.P. Morgan had helped arrange $2.25
billion in loans for Global Crossing, it's
now owed less than $100 million by the
telecom firm, according to people close to
the situation. And while J.P. Morgan still
has a $500-million exposure to Argentina,
Citigroup and FleetBoston have far more.

Indeed, only about 10 percent of J.P.
Morgan's earnings come from lending these
days, compared with 50 percent a decade ago,
Lemkau said, meaning its comparative credit
risk exposure actually has declined
dramatically.

Still, there's no denying the bank's
missteps, which include an 8 percent stake in
an Argentine bank accused of fraud, and loans
to a European cable TV company that has
threatened to default on $17.5 billion in
debt.

Prospects looked far brighter at the end of
2000, when J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. emerged in
its current manifestation via the colossal
merger of Chase Manhattan Corp. and J.P.
Morgan & Co.

After

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: The Great Pretzel Swallower's Guantánamo S&M Porn PR Disaster




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The Great Pretzel Swallower's Guantánamo S&M Porn PR Disaster
by Dr. Susan Block


>From Dr. Strangelove:

Ripper: Were you ever a prisoner of war? 

Mandrake: Ah yes I was. Matter of fact, Jack, I was. 

Ripper: Did they torture you? 

Mandrake: Ah... yes, they did. I was tortured by the Japanese, Jack, 
if you must know. Not a pretty story. 

Ripper: Well what happened? 

Mandrake: Oh... well... I don't know, Jack. Difficult to think of 
under these conditions. But, well, what happened was they got me on 
the old Rangoon HNRR railway. I was laying train mines for the bloody 
Japanese puff puffs. 

Ripper: No, I mean when they tortured you, did you talk? 

Mandrake: Ah, oh no, I ah... I don't think they wanted me to talk, 
really. I don't think they wanted me to say anything. It was just 
their way of having... a bit of fun, the swines. Strange thing is 
they make such bloody good cameras.

*

I was beginning to accept The War for what the Great Pretzel 
Swallower had proclaimed it to be (in so many malapropisms): a Fight 
for my Freedom to Party.   A fight for my freedom to fly, shop, drink 
champagne, wear miniskirts and, of course, have lots of sex.  If any 
values were worth defending, these were.  

Sure, we seemed to be bombing more out of revenge for our wounds and 
lust for a nice friendly place to lay our pipeline than anything the 
least bit noble.  But at least we gave the impression that we were 
trying to conduct a relatively "humane" war.  I was impressed with 
our government's apparent concern for the Afghan people (unlike 
Vietnam).  We tried not to kill civilians, though sometimes, of 
course, when you're bombing the crap out of a country, it can't be 
helped.  We dropped food packets; too bad they looked just like 
landmines, confusing the now-dead or maimed children who grabbed 
them.  We helped women get on the road to liberation; who doesn't 
want to see what's under that burqa?  We encouraged Afghans to play 
long-forbidden music, and hey, everybody loves music-except those 
Evil-Doer, No-Fun Talibans.  

In short, we not only won The War on the Battlefield (though not many 
of our guys stepped onto an actual battlefield-too dangerous), but we 
were winning the War of World Opinion.  That is, we were doing some 
topnotch PR. 

Then I saw The Picture.  You know, the one that appears to have been 
taken on the set of a gay male heavy S&M training film or a Robert 
Mapplethorpe photograph.  About eight or nine submissives are shown 
kneeling, their knees grounded into the gravel, their legs crossed 
and shackled under them, their arms manacled in front, their hands 
bizarrely mittened.  They are blindfolded with black, high-tech-
looking goggles, earplugged (or are those earphones?) and practically 
gagged with surgical masks and electrical tape, their day-glo orange 
outfits blowing in the Cuba Libré breeze, revealing sections of their 
naked flesh. One of the Orange Men appears to be losing his pants.  
Obviously, he can't pull them up. 

Above this trussed-up, sensory-deprived platoon of bad boys stand two 
taut Marines (a third is in the distance), clad in crisp camouflage, 
their heads shaved around the sides, a modern spin on the Medieval 
bowl-cut.  The Marine closest to the camera is leaning over the 
Orange Men in a casually menacing posture.  And, in what's probably 
just an innocent juxtaposition of objects, a long fence pole seems to 
be emerging from his pants.  And yes, if you squint, it looks like an 
elongated erection, slim but stiff, towering like a sword over his 
helpless, senseless captives. 

Big Stick, indeed.  

The shocking part is that this Guantánamo S&M scene was not snapped 
by a plucky journalist's lens.  The Pentagon officially released it.  
This is what they want us to see.  Does that mean that this is the 
mild stuff?  This is where they just plug up their ears, not their 
other orifices?  

Maybe the Pentagon released The Photo because it's so racy.  Maybe 
they wanted our hearts to race, our spirits to soar at the image of 
our Marines boldly dominating and humiliating The Enemy.  Maybe this 
is the Revenge of the Raving Castrati after the pain and phallic 
humiliation of 9.11.

Maybe the shrinks at the Pentagon think we'll feel better about 
ourselves upon seeing a young US Marine with a Big Stick in his pants 
lording it over a harem of hapless, hogtied Orange Men made to bow 
down before their Masters in utter, abject-and in the case of Orange 
Man #2 and possibly #3, even bare-assed-

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Andrew Sullivan's selective Enron outrage
The failed energy trader didn't just spend money on politicians. It
gave handily to journalists, too. But why is Sullivan most angry
about the one liberal who cashed in?
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By Eric Boehlert

Jan. 31, 2002 | It took a few months, but the press has finally
managed to carve out an angle about itself in the Enron debacle: a
controversy-in-a-teapot focusing on conflicts of interest for the so-
called Enron pundits.

The pundits include a group of prominent political and economic
commentators who in recent years (i.e., before former CEO Kenneth Lay
replaced Osama bin Laden as Public Enemy No. 1) made their way onto
Enron's payroll and received big bucks for doing very little work.
Now they are being asked: How in good conscience can they comment on
Enron's fall after cashing Lay's obscenely generous checks?

The Enron sugar daddies include Weekly Standard editor William
Kristol ($100,000), CNBC host and National Review Online columnist
Lawrence Kudlow ($50,000), New York Times columnist Paul Krugman
($50,000), Weekly Standard contributing editor and Sunday Times of
London columnist Irwin Stelzer (approximately $50,000) and Wall
Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan ($25,000-$50,000; apparently
she cannot recall the exact sum).

We're assured this is a very big deal. "The burgeoning scandal [has]
replaced the war as the Beltway's reigning obsession," the Washington
Post reported on Wednesday.

A review of the charges makes clear that none of the Enron media
players, who were all slow to cop to their Houston boondoggles, come
out looking very good. But that also goes for their chief accuser,
conservative columnist Andrew Sullivan. His selective prosecution
raises suspicion about whether he is simply trying to right an
ethical wrong or, more likely, hoping to damage one of the left's
most effectively critical voices -- Paul Krugman, a former MIT
economist who has landed punch after solid punch on the Bush
administration over the past year.

Right from the outset, Sullivan, using his daily online column,
called for an "investigation" into Krugman's alleged ethical lapse.
(By who, the Pundit Police? Is that run out of the Department of
Justice?) He suggested Krugman and others "recuse themselves" from
the Enron situation, the way Attorney General John Ashcroft did,
since as a senator he received Enron contributions. According to
Sullivan, the Times columnist should return his Enron money, just as
Senator Hillary Clinton had returned the campaign contributions she'd
received from Enron. (In Washington, contributions and paychecks are
seen as one and the same.)

"Disclosure is a must," wrote Sullivan. "We demand it of politicians.
Why should we not demand it of the journalists who police them? If
it's corrupting for politicians, why is it any less corrupting for
pundits, who can exercise as much power as many Congressmen and often
have more influence than individual Senators? "

Yes, both politicians and the press depend on public trust, but the
last time we checked pundits did not have the power to pass
legislation, prosecute criminals or declare war. Nor were pundits
answerable to the voters. Indeed, the level of importance granted by
the media to this Enron media tempest is more proof than we need of
the warped sense of self-importance such pundits have about
themselves and their colleagues.

The absurd levels of self-absorption are reminiscent of the time,
early in George Bush's campaign, a Boston television journalist
sprang a pop quiz on a befuddled W. While the cameras rolled, the
reporter asked him to name several foreign leaders. Bush stumbled
badly. More than a few pundits then rushed forward to defend Bush,
suggesting even they wouldn't have been able to ace such a tough
test. Their courage in admitting to just skimming the international
news section every morning was commendable, but unlike Bush, those
columnists weren't angling to become the leader of the free world.

So, just what crimes did these pundits commit?

Irwin Stelzer, contributing editor for the Weekly Standard and a
columnist for the Sunday Times of London.

To date, Stelzer still has not disclosed to readers how much he was
paid to serve on an Enron advisory board that he helped organize. In
a Weekly Standard piece about Enron last November, Stelzer defended
the company by stressing there was "no indication that the mistakes
were other than honest ones, or that investors were deliberately kept
in the dark or misled about the company's finances."

In

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George W. In The Garden Of Gethsemane
An Open Letter to George W. Bush
>From Michael Moore
2-1-2

Dear George,

When it's all over in a couple months, and you're packing up your
pretzels and Spot and heading back to Texas, what will be your
biggest regret? Not getting out more often and seeing the sights
around Rock Creek Park? Never once visiting the newly-renovated IKEA
in Woodbridge, Virginia? Or buying your way to the White House with
money from a company that committed the biggest corporate swindle in
American history? I got a feeling you didn't miss much by not
spending an entire Saturday afternoon assembling a Swedish bookcase --
 but you should have known that there was no way you would ever
finish your term by hopping into bed with Kenneth Lay.

It's kind of sad when you think about it. Here you were -- the most
popular president ever! -- the recipient of so much good will from
your fellow Americans after September 11, and then you had to go and
blow it. You just couldn't stay away from your old cowpoke friend
from Texas, Kenneth Lay.

Kenny has always been there for you. You needed a way to fly around
to all the primaries and campaign stops in the 2000 election -- so
Kenny gave you his corporate jet. Did you tell the voters when you
arrived in each city that the bird you flew in on was from a
billionaire who was secretly conspiring to give the bird to all his
employees and investors? He flew you around America on the Enron
company jet, and for that favor you touched down on tarmac after
tarmac to tell your fellow citizens that you were "going to restore
dignity to the White House, the people's house." You said this
standing in front of an Enron jet!

Man, you loved Lay so much, you not only affectionately referred to
him as "Kenny Boy," you interrupted an important campaign trip in
April, 2000, to fly back to Houston for the Astro's opening day at
the new Enron Field -- just so you could watch Kenny Boy Lay throw
out the first pitch. How sentimental!

I mean, you loved this man so intensely that, when you were awarded a
set of keys the Supreme Court had made for you so you could live in
the White House, you invited Kenny Boy to set up shop -- at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue! He interviewed those who would hold high-level
Energy Department positions in your administration.

You not only let Kenny Boy decide who would head the regulatory
agency that oversaw Enron, you let him hand-pick the new chairman of
the Securities and Exchange Commission, Harvey Pitt -- a former
lawyer for his accountant, Arthur Andersen! Kenny and the boys at
Andersen also worked to make sure that accounting firms would be
exempt from numerous regulations and would not be held liable for
any "funny bookkeeping" (don't you wish you were this forward-
thinking?).

The rest of Kenny Boy's time was spent next door with his old buddy,
Dick Cheney (Enron and Halliburton, as you'll recall, got the big
contracts from your dad to "rebuild" Kuwait after the Gulf War). Lay
and Dick formed an "energy task force" (Operation Enduring Graft)
which put together the county's new "energy policy." This policy then
went on to shut down every light bulb and juicer in the state of
California. And guess who made out like bandits while "trading" the
energy California was in desperate need of? Kenny Boy and Enron! No
wonder Big Dick doesn't want to turn over the files about those
special meetings with Lay!

The only thing that surprises me more than all the Enron henchmen who
ended up in your cabinet and administration is how our lazy media
just rolled over and didn't report it. The list of Enron people on
your payroll is impressive. Lawrence Lindsey, your chief economic
advisor? A former advisor at Enron! Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill?
Former CEO of Alcoa, whose lobbying firm, Vinson and Elkins, was the
#3 contributor to the your campaign! Who is Vinson and Elkins? The
law firm representing Enron! Who is Alcoa? The top polluter in Texas.
Timothy White, the Secretary of the Army? A former vice-chair of
Enron Energy! Robert Zoellick, your Federal Trade Representative? A
former advisor at Enron! Karl Rove, your main man at the White House?
He owned a quarter-million dollars of Enron stock.

Then there's the Enron lawyer you have nominated to be a federal
judge in Texas, the Enron lobbyist who is your chair of the
Republican Party, the two Enron officials who now work for House
Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and the wife of Texas Senator Phil Gramm
who sits on Enron's board. And there's the aforementioned Mr. Pitt,
the former

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Poor Ashcroft - we see Larry Flynt set the scenario but what is this -
who is preparing whom, for the slaughter?   Who is conditioning us for
what?   Maybe take away all privacy for the big kill 

Remember Bill pornography is now being mainstreamed assisted by ADL and
Larry Flynt, front man for the mob and drugs and pornography as America
forges the way to true land of Sodom and Gomorrah - get the picture?

Saba

1 Corinthians, chapter 12

"24": For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body
together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:


Verily I say, unto you all;

The King James Bible
at the Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia
Acts, chapter 26
"1": Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Thou art permitted to speak for
thyself. Then Paul stretched forth the hand, and answered for himself:
"2": I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for
myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused
of the Jews:
"3": Especially because I know thee to be expert in all customs and
questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me
patiently.
"4": My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine
own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;
"5": Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after
the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.
"6": And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of
God unto our fathers:
"7": Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and
night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused
of the Jews.
"8": Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God
should raise the dead?
"9": I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things
contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
"10": Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I
shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and
when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
"11": And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to
blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them
even unto strange cities.
"12": Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from
the chief priests,
"13": At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the
brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed
with me.
"14": And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking
unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest
thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
"15": And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou
persecutest.
"16": But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee
for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these
things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will
appear unto thee;
"17": Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom
now I send thee,
"18": To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and
from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of
sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is
in me.
"19": Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly
vision:
"20": But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and
throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they
should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
"21": For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about
to kill me.
"22": Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day,
witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those
which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
"23": That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that
should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to
the Gentiles.
"24": And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice,
Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.
"25": But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the
words of truth and soberness.
"26": For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak
freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from
him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
"27": King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou
believest.
"28": Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a
Christian.
"29": And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all
that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am,
except these bonds.
"30": And when he had thus spoken, the king rose up, and the governor,
and Bernice, and they that sat with them:
"31": And when they were gone aside, they talked between themselves,
saying, This man doeth nothing worthy of death

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-Drugs_TheDarkSide] Connection between Al Fayeds Sayed relatives and Attas? deMohrenschildt?




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This is better than a ginsu knives commercial, because wait, there's more!

Thankyou thankyou thankyou for sharing this e mail. This is nuclear - something
we can use, something we can take and run with.  Well, for warm up guys, you
know those 'code names' I'm always ragging on about that the CIA/NSA/Narco Mil
Intel complex uses? (www.thefifthhorseman.net).  So, go to the link below about
the book he references, and on their site there are pop up ad banners.  Who do
you suppose shows up but ADVANCED AVIATION?  Advanced is one of the 'biggies'
they use.  Then, you go to THEIR site http://www.advancedaviation.de/  and lo
and behold, if they aren't out of GERMANY, and lo and behold, when you go to
THEIR links and 'friends' page, if you don't find out there's Saudi companies
listed with yet more code names like WORLDwe love this place.

This post made my week.  Thanks again for sharing it.  Bruce Campbell is Manna
from Heaven.

"Ranger Rick"


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> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> From: "Bruce Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:49:30 +
>
>
> Los Angeles Times
> Letter to the Editor
> 145 S. Spring Street
> Los Angeles, CA, 90012
>
> Re: Terry McDermott, Jan. 27, 2002 article on Mohamed and Amir Atta
>
> Letter to the Editor:
> On July 13, 2001, Mohamed Al Fayed lost a lawsuit against the CIA/Pentagon
> under the Freedom of Information Act to find out why they had more than 1100
> pages on Princess Diana shortly before her death.  This caught my attention
> when I noticed that most of the Terrorists of September 11, 2001 were of
> Egyptian or Saudi descent.
> Since the middle of October I have known that Mohamed Al Fayed and Mohamed
> Atta had relatives by the name of Sayed.  In your article you wrote that:
> Atta was born here in 1968 in the delta province of Kafr el Sheik.  His
> father, Mohamed el Amir Awad el Sayed Atta, came from a tiny provincial
> village, and his mother, Bouthayna Mohamed Mustapha Sheraqi, from the
> outskirts of the provincial capital, also called Kafr el Sheik.  Yet
> nothing was said of Mohamed Attas grandfather.
> In my publications I have found that in 1964 Mohamed Al Fayed was
> representing in 1964 el-Amir Atta while he was associated with George de
> Mohrenschildt.  Who was de Mohrenschildt?  He was a CIA agent who was Lee
> Harvey Oswalds closest friend.
> I am attempting to see if there might be a connection between Al Fayeds
> Sayed relatives and Attas.  Or if Mohamed Al Fayed was actually
> representing Mohamed Attas father, grandfather or some other El-Amir Atta.
> In 1993 I discovered a TOP SECRET CIA document, after winning a lawsuit
> Bruce Adamson vs. United States Department of Justice, in 1993, where the
> number two man (James Jesus Angleton) at the CIA was monitoring de
> Mohrenschildts mail illegally while in Port-au-Prince Haiti.  I was the
> first to publish these documents in which Mohamed Al Fayed had an affair
> with George de Mohrenschildts daughter, Alexandra de Mohrenschildt.  I am
> enclosing this document for your verification of my claim.  Also note that
> Ben Bradlee caught James Angelton breaking into Mary Meyers home twice at
> the very time Angelton is monitoring de Mohrenschildts mail.  Meyer was one
> of President Kennedys lovers.
> There is presently an outstanding lawsuit by Mohamed Al Fayed against one
> alias Oswald DeWinter who said he had documents which proved that MI6
> British agents were behind the death of Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed in the
> Los Angeles County Court House BC 213751 courtroom #406.
> Another interesting twist which caught my attention was that Mohamed Al
> Fayeds brother-in-law was Adnan Khashoggi, once boasted of being the
> richest man on the planet.   Khashoggi was at one time the personal adviser
> to the Saudi Royal family at a time O. Bin Laden was a frequent visitor.
> Khashoggi was also the middle man during the Iran-Contra missile deal
> working very close with former President George Herbert Walker Bush.  One
> may note that Khashoggi is the largest stockholder in Barrick Gold which
> donated more than 148 thousand dollars to George W. Bushs campaign last
> year.  In February of 2001 Khashoggi sold his New York City Olympic
> Condominium for less than half of what he paid for it in the 1970s $36
> million dollars.  His half-brother Amer Khashoggi runs a pilot training
> school in Saudi Arabia and published a book The Industrible Pilot.  See
> website URL http://ciajfk.com/zero.html
> The American Public deserves to know if Amir Atta is the same man Mohamed
> Al Fayed represented in 1964.  Since Mohamed Atta was the ringleader of the
> September 11, 2001 tradegy.
> Let me thank you in advance for publishing my letter.
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> ___
> Bruce Campbell Adamson, P.O. Box 1003, Aptos, CA, 95001 --
>
>
> *
>
> Received by Flyn

[CTRL] Quick list question

Title: Quick list question




I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
(no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)

i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth



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SCANDAL IN NEBRASKA

As the call boy ring affair dominated the cocktail gossip circuit in
Washington, another scandal, halfway across the country in the state
of Nebraska, peaked. Again this scandal knocked on the President's
door.

A black Republican who had been a leader in organizing minority
support for the President's 1988 campaign and who proudly displayed
a photo of himself and the President, arm in arm, in his Omaha home,
was at the center of a sex and money scandal that continues to rock
the Cornhusker state.

The scandal originated with the collapse of the minority-oriented
Franklin Community Credit Union in Omaha, directed by Lawrence
[LARRY] E. KING, Jr., a nationally influential black Republican who
sang the national anthem at both the 1984 and 1988 Republican conven-
tions. King became the subject of the Nebraska Senate's investigation
conducted by the specially created "Franklin Committee" to probe charges
of embezzlement. In November 1988, King's offices were raided by the
FBI and $40 million was discovered missing. Within weeks, the Nebraska
Senate, which initially opened the inquiry to find out where the money
had gone, instead found itself questioning young adults and teenagers
who said that they had been child prostitutes. Social workers and
state child-care administrators accused King of running a child
prostitu-
tion ring. The charges grew, with the former police chief of Omaha, the
publisher of the state's largest daily newspaper, and several other
political
associates of King, finding themselves accused of patronizing the child
prostitution ring.

King is now serving a 15-year federal prison sentence for defrauding
the Omaha-based credit union. But the magazines "Avvenimenti" of Italy
and "Pronto" of Spain, among others, have charged that King's crimes
were more serious: that he ran a national child prostitution ring that
serviced the political and business elite of both Republican and Demo-
cratic parties. Child victims of King's operations charged him with
participation in at least one SATANIC RITUAL MURDER of a child
several years ago. The "Washington Post", "New York Times", "Village
Voice" and "National Law Journal" covered the full range of accusations
after the story broke in November of 1988. King's money machinations
were also linked to the Iran-Contra affair, and some say that King
provided
the CIA with information garnered from his alleged activities as a
"pimp"
for the high and mighty.

"Pronto", the Barcelona-based, largest circulation weekly in Spain
with 4.5 million readers, reported that the Lawrence E. King child
prostitution scandal "appears to directly implicate politicos of the
state
of Nebraska and Washington, D.C. who are very close to the White
House and George Bush himself."

The weekly stated that Roy Stephens, a private investigator who has
worked on the case and heads the MISSING YOUTH FOUNDATION,
"says there is reason to believe THAT THE CIA IS DIRECTLY IMPLI-
CATED," and that the "FBI refuses to help in the investigation and has
SABOTAGED any efforts" to get to the bottom of the story.  [This
indicates that the FBI is now owned and controlled more or less by the
CIA.  A far cry from the days of Elliot Ness and Al CaPone when the
FBI was more concerned with enforcing justice. - Wol.] Stephens says
that "Paul Bonacci directly accused President Bush of being implicated"
in the affair when he testified before the Franklin Committee. / Note #3
Bonacci, who had been one of the child prostitutes, is identified by
leading child-abuse experts as a well-informed, credible witness.

Lawrence King was no stranger to President Bush. And Lawrence King
was no stranger to Craig Spence. Several of the Omaha child prostitutes
testified that they had traveled to Washington, D.C. with King in
private
planes to attend political events which were followed by [CHILD] SEX
PARTIES. King and Spence had much in common. Not only were they
both Republican Party activists but they had gone into business together
procuring prostitutes for Washington's elite.

Bush's name had repeatedly surfaced in the Nebraska scandal. But his
name was first put into print in July 1989, a little less than a month
after the Washington call boy affair had first made headlines. Omaha's
leading daily newspaper reported, "One child, who has been under
psychiatric care, is said to believe she saw George Bush at one of
King's parties." / Note #4

A full three years after the scandal had first made headlines, Bush's
name again appeared in print. "Gentleman's Quarterly (GQ)" carried
a lengthy article, viewed by many political observers in Nebraska as
an attempt to refute the charges, which would not die, despite the
termination of all official inquiries. The "GQ" piece disputed the
allega-
tions as a conspiracy theory that went out of control and resonated
because of some mystical sociological phenomena allegedly unique
to Nebraskan r

Re: [CTRL] this site on bush is a scream


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sword.  It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind."

"And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils
with hate and the mind is closed, the leader will have no need in seizing
the
rights of the citizenry.  Rather, the citizenry infused with fear and
blinded
by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and do it
gladly so."

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Re: [CTRL] This Just It- Gulf On Tonkin Was A Lie. (Like duh!!)

2002-02-02 Thread Nakano Nakamura


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--- William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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 LBJ tape 'confirms Vietnam war error'
 PRESIDENT Johnson admitted in a secret tape
 recording that the incident he used to win
 congressional approval for the Vietnam war probably
 never happened

Nakano comments:
3 years ago, former Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara
publicly admitted that the so-called "Gulf of Tonkin
Incident" was a lie. The President of the United
States
went on national TV and told the American People that
American ships had been attacked by North Viet nam.
Lyndon Johnson was lying through his teeth and he knew
it! Johnson told this lie to provide the excuse he
needed to launch direct U.S. combat involvement
against North Vietnam.
In 1964, if anyone had tried to tell Americans their
President was lying to them, they would have been
ignored or shouted down.
In 1941, if anyone had tried to tell Americans their
President was lying to them about Pearl Harbor and the
"Day of Infamy", they would have been mobbed
and beaten.
Today in 2002, if anyone tries to tell Americans their
President is lying to them about the attacks of
September 11th, they are called traitors and
no one will listen to them.
It's like 3rd and 4th remakes of an old movie and
the script fools Americans every time.
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[CTRL] Saturday Funnies-ATTORNEY GENERAL: "AMERICA MUST CEASE TO BE A LURID STATUARY OF

http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/012902.asp



ATTORNEY GENERAL: "AMERICA MUST CEASE TO BE A LURID STATUARY OF DEVIANT SEX"

Press Briefing by the Attorney General

MR. JOHN ASHCROFT: Good morning. Yesterday, the liberal communist web site ABCNEWS.COM, which is owned by a vast and powerful cult of Jewish homosexuals, reported that I had recently ordered $8000 spent on heavy draperies to obscure several pornographic statues currently on display in the Justice Department's Great Hall. This much is correct. What was not reported was that this entirely necessary action is in fact only the first of countless such acts of decency which will be undertaken as part of a far-reaching new initiative originally conceived and promoted by my good friends at The Heritage Foundation: "Operation Mummified Sculptural Genitalia."

As you know, I have always aspired to the example of 14th century Vatican censors in all that I do. Whether it's registering patriots or losing elections to a dead man, I bring with me an almost feverish aversion to even the very thought of genitals - whether they be those of others or my own. It is for this reason that I have found myself increasingly distressed by the rampant proliferation of so-called public "art" with no shame - "art" which aggressively thrusts its impossibly large genitals directly into the eyes of our children, penetrating their little eye sockets deeper and deeper with every shameful glance! And so I say to you today, with God as both my witness and co-pilot, America must cease to be a lurid statuary of deviant sex!

That is why it is with great pleasure that I am announcing the formal launch of Operation Mummified Sculptural Genitalia. Beginning today, over four hundred (400) federal agents will begin fanning out across America, where they will storm the perverted ramparts of any and all public buildings, parks, and museums which harbor objectionable "art." While most offending works will be shrouded in draperies or clad in over-sized Brooks Brothers suits, some (most notably the Statue of Liberty) will undergo extensive artistic revisions, while yet others will find their repulsive intercourse muscles wrapped snugly and permanently in cocoons of industrial strength duct tape. It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to be obsessed enough with the idea that inanimate representations of anatomy can cause trouser-shredding arousal in otherwise decent, God-fearing Attorneys General. And that somebody is me. Thank you, and God Bless America.

[CTRL] BLACK HAWK DOWN: Pentagon war propaganda

http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/somalia0131.php

BLACK HAWK DOWN: Pentagon war propaganda

By Johnnie Stevens

Hollywood produces bad movies all the time. But "Black Hawk Down" is more than bad. It is a conspiracy by the Pentagon and Hollywood to distort history and demonize the Somali people, right when the administration is considering another invasion of that battered and impoverished African country.

The Pentagon commended director Ridley Scott for rushing the film's release after 9/11. The Motion Picture Association of America arranged a private screening for senior White House advisors. Vice President Dick Cheney attended. So did Contragate criminal Col. Oliver North, as well as a group of U.S. Army Rangers.

"Black Hawk Down" pretends to tell the story of what happened on Oct. 3, 1993, when tens of thousands of Somali people, most of them civilians, fought off an attack by U.S. Rangers and Delta Force commandos in the center of the capital city, Mogadishu.

The heavily armed U.S. troops had come in Humvees and Black Hawk helicopters to try and kidnap Mohamed Farrah Aidid and two of his lieutenants. They intended to take them to a ship anchored off the coast. Aidid was the Somali leader most resistant to U.S. efforts to establish military and economic domination in the area, under the pretext of providing food aid.

The arrogant and racist presence of 28,000 U.S. troops was hated by the Somali people. Sent there originally by George Bush Sr. in December 1992, they had opened machine gun fire on unarmed protesters and flown their helicopters so low over the city that the downdraft pulled the tin roofs off people's houses.

When one of the helicopters sent to capture Aidid crashed near a crowded market and reinforcements were sent in with guns blazing, the Somali people responded in a massive uprising against them.

'Shooting at anyone
and anything'

The 16-hour battle ended in hundreds of Somali deaths--helicopter gunships fired indiscriminately on the people in the streets and market. Mark Bowden, in his book on which this film claims to be based, wrote: "The Task Force Ranger commander, Maj. Gen. William F. Garrison, testifying before the Senate, said that if his men had put any more ammunition into the city 'we would have sunk it.' Most soldiers interviewed said that through most of the fight they fired on crowds and eventually at anyone and anything they saw."

U.S. forces with their sophisticated weapons have wreaked death and destruction on many oppressed peoples--most recently in Afghanistan. What made this battle different was that it ended in the deaths of 18 elite U.S. Army Rangers, the Pentagon's biggest battle loss since the Vietnam War. This led to a hasty U.S. withdrawal from the country.

The Somalis were jubilant at having defeated these flying death machines. "Black Hawk Down" was really a Somali people's victory over what had been considered the invincible Rangers and Delta Force.

But the film, in the words of New York Times critic Elvis Mitchell, "converts the Somalis into a pack of snarling dark-skinned beasts ... it reeks of glumly staged racism." (Dec. 28, 2001)

That's what the Pentagon wants U.S. audiences to get out of the film. Racism and fear of Third World peoples are being whipped up here as the Bush administration moves to spread its war of domination in Afghanistan to other Third World countries.

But the reaction the film is getting elsewhere in the world is far different.

Somalis still defiant

CNN reported on Jan. 22 that hundreds of Somalis crowded into an outdoor playground just a mile from the battle site to watch one of the first copies of "Black Hawk Down" to reach their country. "Audience members seemed to take delight in scenes of U.S. defeat. Each time an American chopper went down in the film, the audience cheered. Every time an American serviceman was killed, the audience cheered some more."

Afterward, some of the Somalis criticized the accuracy of the film. But they were proud of the resistance it showed. "As you can see, Somalis are brave fighters," one man said. "If the Americans come back to fight us, we shall defeat them again."

This film was released soon after the Bush administration in November shut down the overseas branches of the Somali-owned Al-Barakaat banking and telecommunications firm, which Somalis living abroad had used to send money home. It was a cruel blow aimed at destroying the Somali economy and bringing the people to their knees in the face of starvation. But two months later, the Somali people have refused to be broken--as their reaction to the film showed.

Several groups in the U.S. are calling for a boycott of this film and see it as evidence of the Pentagon's continuing desire to reinvade Somalia, under the pretext this time of fighting "terrorism."

Larry Holmes of the International Action Center points out that the film "is being linked to new war moves against Somalia, a poor country believed to have unexplored oil res

[CTRL] Axis of Evil - Sharon, aka Scheinman, Honest Abe Foxman, Joe Lieberman


-Caveat Lector-

Now here is a real axis of Evil.   Note the family arrangement - one
promotes the war, the other profits by same, and the Master Evil One
known as the Slaughterman, provides the game.

What do these people all have in common?   They are all Zion Paper
Tigers...living in their own little cesspools - call  the Plumbers.

OSaba

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Re: [CTRL] Colleen's Inane "Bible Code" (was; The New WorldOrderinBibleprophecy)

2002-02-02 Thread RevCOAL


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From: thew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Blondie hinted of this in "Rapture"...   ;-)
>
>i think what you meant to say was:
>"as Blondie told me, at a dinner with JFK (he was Irish and oh so handsome)
>that Japanese cars (remember pearl harbor - many believe it was a Zionist
>plot) and their oil spills, are the key to understanding and power.
>It all in the code that a mechanic for the CIA told me was hidden in the
>1987 Subaru outback manual.
>
>0'june"
>
>wasn't that what you meant?

No.  ;-)

*I* told Debbie Harry (who happened to be a paramour of JFK), and the real
truth isn't that the key is in Japanese cars, but that the Japanese have
had a secret deal with the ETs/reptilians/Illuminati/NWO who provided the
technology whereby the Japanese could make cheap stereos and cheap,
fuel-efficient cars -- but alas the ETs/reptilians have never been able to
solve the oil-leak problem, and instead developed a system whereby they
would communicate in secret code via the patterns the oil leaks would
form...

Harry then went on to write and record "Rapture" -- listen to it, and
you'll hear the clues to the secret ET/reptilian/Illuminati/NWO plan to
take over the world...   ;-)

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[CTRL] CHENEY's & US INDUSTRIES' WAR PROFITEERING




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2.02.02
CHENEY's & US INDUSTRIES' WAR PROFITEERING


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VP CHENEY & US INDUSTRIES WAR PROFITEERING
 From: William Douglas, Jr.


U.S. companies, including VP Cheney's Halliburton, make cool millions
off of supporting so called "terrorist" nations, while making money by
selling US Govt. weapons to bomb people in those same nations.

When will the world get sick enough of this to take action?!

If you would like an Activist Kit, reply with "Send Kit," and it will be
freely sent. Please pass it on to all you know, and others as well. If
you wonder why there aren't more reports on the following, realize that
General Electric mentioned below as one of the conspirator companies
that makes money off both sanctions and wars OWNS MUCH OF THE U.S. MEDIA INDUSTRY.
= = = =
Cheney Made Millions Off Oil Deals with Hussein

San Francisco Bay Guardian
November 13, 2000
by Martin A. Lee

Here's a whopper of a story you may have missed amid the cacophony of
campaign ads and stump speeches in the run- up to the elections. During
former defense secretary Richard Cheney's five-year tenure as chief
executive of Halliburton, Inc., his oil services firm raked in big bucks
from dubious commercial dealings with Iraq. Cheney left Halliburton with
a $34 million retirement package last July when he became the GOP's
vice-presidential candidate.

Of course, U.S. firms aren't generally supposed to do business with
Saddam Hussein. But thanks to legal loopholes large enough to steer an
oil tanker through, Halliburton profited big-time from deals with the
Iraqi dictatorship. Conducted discreetly through several Halliburton
subsidiaries in Europe, these greasy transactions helped Saddam Hussein
retain his grip on power while lining the pockets of Cheney and company.
According to the Financial Times of London, between September 1998 and
last winter, Cheney, as CEO of Halliburton, oversaw $23.8 million of
business contracts for the sale of oil-industry equipment and services
to Iraq through two of its subsidiaries, Dresser Rand and
Ingersoll-Dresser Pump, which helped rebuild Iraq's war-damaged
petroleum-production infrastructure. The combined value of these
contracts exceeded those of any other U.S. company doing business with Baghdad.

Halliburton was among more than a dozen American firms that supplied
Iraq's petroleum industry with spare parts and retooled its oil rigs
when U.N. sanctions were eased in 1998. Cheney's company utilized
subsidiaries in France, Italy, Germany, and Austria so as not to draw
undue attention to controversial business arrangements that might
embarrass Washington and jeopardize lucrative ties to Iraq, which will
pump $24 billion of petrol under the U.N.-administered oil-for-food
program this year. Assisted by Halliburton, Hussein's government will
earn another $1 billion by illegally exporting oil through black-market
channels. With Cheney at the helm since 1995, Halliburton quickly grew
into America's number-one oil-services company, the fifth-largest
military contractor, and the biggest nonunion employer in the nation.

Although Cheney claimed that the U.S. government "had absolutely nothing
to do" with his firm's meteoric financial success, State Department
documents obtained by the Los Angeles Times indicate that U.S. officials
helped Halliburton secure major contracts in Asia and Africa.
Halliburton now does business in 130 countries and employs more than
100,000 workers worldwide. Its 1999 income was a cool $15 billion.

In addition to Iraq, Halliburton counts among its business partners
several brutal dictatorships that have committed egregious human rights
abuses, including the hated military regime in Burma (Myanmar).
EarthRights, a Washington, D.C.-based human rights watchdog, condemned
Halliburton for two energy-pipeline projects in Burma that led to the
forced relocation of villages, rape, murder, indentured labor, and other
crimes against humanity.

A full report (this is a 45 page pdf file - there is also a brief
summary) on the Burma connection, "Halliburton's Destructive
Engagement," can be accessed on EarthRights' Web site.

Human rights activists have also criticized Cheney's company for its
questionable role in Algeria, Angola, Bosnia, Croatia, Haiti, Rwanda,
Somalia, Indonesia, and other volatile trouble spots. In Russia,
Halliburton's partner, Tyumen Oil, has been accused of committing
massive fraud to gain control of a Siberian oil field. And in oil-rich
Nigeria, Halliburton worked with Shell and Chevron, which were
implicated in gross human rights violations and environmental calamities
in that country. Indeed, Cheney's firm increased its involvement in the
Niger Delta after the military government executed several ecology
activists and crushed popular protests against the oil industry.
Halliburton also had business dealings in Iran and Libya, which rema

Re: [CTRL] Arab press decries U.S. 'torture' of prisoners

2002-02-02 Thread RevCOAL


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>In addition, prisoners are served three "culturally appropriate" meals each
>day:

Who determined what was 'culturally appropriate"...


>Breakfast â typically bread, cream cheese, an orange, a pastry, a roll, a
>bottle of water

A lot of starch, sugar and other carbohydrates, and fat, no protein; hardly
a healthy meal, and hardly 'culturally appropriate'.


>Lunch â typically a box of cereal, two cereal bars, a packet of peanuts,
one
>packet crisps, one packet raisins, a bottle of water

Don't know what 'crisps' are, but this meal continues the high fat, starch,
sugars and other carbohydrates of breakfast, and again does not include any
protein; again, hardly a healthy meal and definitely not 'culturally
appropriate'.


>Evening meal â typically white rice, red beans, a banana, bread, a
bottle of
>water

This is the healthiest meal of the day, but one has to be expert in
combining grains and legumes to make sure one gets the proper ratio for
protein; somehow I doubt this detail is being attended to in regards to the
prisoners.

Also, this meal should really be the first meal of the day; not only would
that be healthier, it would indeed be more 'culturally appropriate' for
these men to have their first meal of the day consist of rice and beans,
which is the morning meal of the majority of the people on this planet.  It
is only Westerners, and especially Americans, who think of breakfast in
terms of toast and coffee or a danish and orange juice...


>Breakfast followed by shower opportunity and personal time
>Doctor visits to address any medical issues
>Lunch followed by shower opportunity and personal time

"Personal time"  -- euphemism for "solitary confinement"


>The typical weather, notes the Post: "Sunny with temperatures ranging from
72
>degrees at night to around 82 degrees maximum during the day."

That describes the averarage temperature in Cuba in January; I notice that
those who tout this prison as a type of Club Med most pointedly avoid
discussing the HUMIDITY, and one can glean that the humidity is indeed
uncomfortable in the fact that it is stated that the prisoners are allowed
2 showers a day, which is unprecedented in most prisons.

Also avoided is the subject of what the temperature (and humidity) will be
like most of the year; it's relatively comfortable December thru March, but
gets mighty hot (and even higher humidity) April thru November.

Also avoided is the subject of how these prisoners avoid being subject to
the elements, especially tropical storms; it will be interesting to see
what happens at Guatanamo June thru October, hurricane season...will the
prisoners be made to stay in their outdoor kennels during a hurricane or
tropical storm?

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[CTRL] George W. In The Garden Of Gethsemane

2002-02-02 Thread Jei


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George W. In The Garden Of Gethsemane
An Open Letter to George W. Bush
>From Michael Moore
2-1-2

Dear George,

When it's all over in a couple months, and you're packing up your
pretzels and Spot and heading back to Texas, what will be your
biggest regret? Not getting out more often and seeing the sights
around Rock Creek Park? Never once visiting the newly-renovated IKEA
in Woodbridge, Virginia? Or buying your way to the White House with
money from a company that committed the biggest corporate swindle in
American history? I got a feeling you didn't miss much by not
spending an entire Saturday afternoon assembling a Swedish bookcase --
 but you should have known that there was no way you would ever
finish your term by hopping into bed with Kenneth Lay.

It's kind of sad when you think about it. Here you were -- the most
popular president ever! -- the recipient of so much good will from
your fellow Americans after September 11, and then you had to go and
blow it. You just couldn't stay away from your old cowpoke friend
from Texas, Kenneth Lay.

Kenny has always been there for you. You needed a way to fly around
to all the primaries and campaign stops in the 2000 election -- so
Kenny gave you his corporate jet. Did you tell the voters when you
arrived in each city that the bird you flew in on was from a
billionaire who was secretly conspiring to give the bird to all his
employees and investors? He flew you around America on the Enron
company jet, and for that favor you touched down on tarmac after
tarmac to tell your fellow citizens that you were "going to restore
dignity to the White House, the people's house." You said this
standing in front of an Enron jet!

Man, you loved Lay so much, you not only affectionately referred to
him as "Kenny Boy," you interrupted an important campaign trip in
April, 2000, to fly back to Houston for the Astro's opening day at
the new Enron Field -- just so you could watch Kenny Boy Lay throw
out the first pitch. How sentimental!

I mean, you loved this man so intensely that, when you were awarded a
set of keys the Supreme Court had made for you so you could live in
the White House, you invited Kenny Boy to set up shop -- at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue! He interviewed those who would hold high-level
Energy Department positions in your administration.

You not only let Kenny Boy decide who would head the regulatory
agency that oversaw Enron, you let him hand-pick the new chairman of
the Securities and Exchange Commission, Harvey Pitt -- a former
lawyer for his accountant, Arthur Andersen! Kenny and the boys at
Andersen also worked to make sure that accounting firms would be
exempt from numerous regulations and would not be held liable for
any "funny bookkeeping" (don't you wish you were this forward-
thinking?).

The rest of Kenny Boy's time was spent next door with his old buddy,
Dick Cheney (Enron and Halliburton, as you'll recall, got the big
contracts from your dad to "rebuild" Kuwait after the Gulf War). Lay
and Dick formed an "energy task force" (Operation Enduring Graft)
which put together the county's new "energy policy." This policy then
went on to shut down every light bulb and juicer in the state of
California. And guess who made out like bandits while "trading" the
energy California was in desperate need of? Kenny Boy and Enron! No
wonder Big Dick doesn't want to turn over the files about those
special meetings with Lay!

The only thing that surprises me more than all the Enron henchmen who
ended up in your cabinet and administration is how our lazy media
just rolled over and didn't report it. The list of Enron people on
your payroll is impressive. Lawrence Lindsey, your chief economic
advisor? A former advisor at Enron! Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill?
Former CEO of Alcoa, whose lobbying firm, Vinson and Elkins, was the
#3 contributor to the your campaign! Who is Vinson and Elkins? The
law firm representing Enron! Who is Alcoa? The top polluter in Texas.
Timothy White, the Secretary of the Army? A former vice-chair of
Enron Energy! Robert Zoellick, your Federal Trade Representative? A
former advisor at Enron! Karl Rove, your main man at the White House?
He owned a quarter-million dollars of Enron stock.

Then there's the Enron lawyer you have nominated to be a federal
judge in Texas, the Enron lobbyist who is your chair of the
Republican Party, the two Enron officials who now work for House
Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and the wife of Texas Senator Phil Gramm
who sits on Enron's board. And there's the aforementioned Mr. Pitt,
the former Arthur Andersen attorney whose job it is now as SEC head
to oversee the stock markets. George, it never stops!

My fingers are getting tired typing all this up -- and there's lots
more.

Don't get me wrong, George -- I do not think you're an evil man. You
don't need any crap from people like me -- heck, you got mother-in-
law problems! Now, I have a very good relationship with my mother-in-
law, but then, I never told

[CTRL] Has the Pentagram Replaced the Swastika?

2002-02-02 Thread Jei

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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:05:48 -
From: fallout1963 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Armageddon-or-NewAge] Re: Has the pentagram replaced the swastika?

We have observed a light show on several occassions in New
York City since September 2000. Small circles of light race
across the sky and then stop to form such shapes as a
pentagram.

The lights seem to originate on the West Side of Manhattan but
have been seen over the New Jersey skyline as well.

These light shows do not seem to be connected with any
advertising effort . There is no mention of them in the press.

If anyone has any information on these lights please e to us or
share with the readers of this forum. Is this happening anywhere
else?

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "biochimp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Is it just me or has anyone else noticed
> that these days it seems everywhere you look
> there is a pentagram incorporated into their
> logo. Maybe it just because I live in the lone"star"
> state of texas, where all major sports teams have it
> dallas cowboys, stars, mavericks, rangers...
> almost every tv channel has it in their logo,
> you'll find 5 pointed stars almost anywhere you look,
> imbedded in the designs of office building ,shopping
> centers, small buisnesses, even resturants.
> there are hundreds of companys that begin with star..
> star..this  star..that and of course the pentagram is
> in their logo and on their buisness cards.
> I'm so sick of seeing stars

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[CTRL] "Axis of Just as Evil"

2002-02-02 Thread Nurev Ind


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In Speech, Bush Calls Iraq, Iran and North Korea 'Axis of Evil" -- N.Y.
Times, 1/30/02

ANGERED BY SNUBBING, LIBYA, CHINA SYRIA FORM AXIS OF JUST AS EVIL

 Cuba, Sudan, Serbia Form Axis of Somewhat Evil; Other Nations Start Own
Clubs

   Beijing (SatireWire.com)  Bitter after being snubbed for membership
in the "Axis of Evil," Libya, China, and  Syria today announced they had
formed the "Axis of Just as Evil," which they said would be way eviler
than that  stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of
his State of the Union address.

 Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new
 axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. "Right. They
 are Just as Evil... in their dreams!" declared North Korean
 leader Kim Jong-il. "Everybody knows we're the best evils...
 best at being evil... we're the best."

 Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being
excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could
 join the Axis of Evil.

They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar
al-Assad.

"An Axis can't have more than three countries," explained Iraqi
President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In
World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil
Axis. So you can only have three. And a secret handshake.
Ours is wicked cool."

THE AXIS PANDEMIC

International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was
swift, as within minutes, France surrendered.

Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in
what became a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said
they had formed the Axis of Somewhat Evil, forcing Somalia to join with
Uganda and Myanmar in the Axis of Occasionally Evil, while Bulgaria,
 Indonesia and Russia established the Axis of Not So Much Evil Really As
Just Generally Disagreeable.

With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling
up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the Axis
of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host
the  Olympics; Canada, Mexico, and Australia formed the Axis of Nations
That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About
America, while Spain, Scotland, and New Zealand established the Axis of
Countries  That Be Allowed to Ask Sheep to Wear Lipstick.

 "That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do," said
Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell.

 While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps
making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted  approval for most axes,
although he rejected the establishment of the Axis of Countries Whose
Names End in "Guay," accusing one of its members of filing a false
application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the
charges.

 Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but
privately, world leaders said that's only because no one asked them.

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Re: [CTRL] U.S. making final break with Arafat?

2002-02-02 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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<< The Bush administration has decided on a final break with Palestinian
 Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat, according to DEBKA-Net-Weekly. >>

I have no doubt at all.  This will at last open the gates for the Israeli to
kill as many of Palestinians as they can reach.  It's been very hard for
Sharon to hold back.  He has always enjoyed killing Moslems, and if he gets a
few Palestinian Christians in the bargain, it's just collateral damage.
Anybody who might disagree with the decision of the Bush administration will
be considered a terrorist, especially when it is the policy that Sharon told
Bush and his administration to have.  Sharon has always said that the United
States does whatever Israel wants.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] "Look, Dave, I can see you're really upset about this." - HAL

2002-02-02 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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In a message dated 2/1/02 8:38:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
 A foretaste of what might lie ahead was provided by the anthrax panic that
 gripped the United States last year after several letters carrying the deadly
 germ agent were sent to political leaders and media figures through the mail.
 The perpetrator has not been found. >>

Humanity will reap what it deserves.  Think of it--a deadly disease that has
been a scourge forever--do we work like slaves looking for a vaccine or a
cure.  Afraid not.  We work to see if we can reduce the stuff to a form that
will make a weapon to kill everybody it touches.  Congratulations.  Somebody
succeeded beyond the wildest dreams.  Then there's the nuclear stuff.  We
don't even have a means to throw out the garbage, but let's make bigger
bombs.  My only reconciliation is that when these idiots finally achieve all
the weapons they desire, their progeny will be unlikely to outlive mine, but
it's sure a dumb way to claim superiority.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Konformist: Ashcroft covers semi-nude statues (this is not a parody)

2002-02-02 Thread Steve Wingate

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ABCNews.com, 25 Jan 2002

Draping History
Beverly Lumpkin

W A S H I N G T O N, Jan. 25  About three weeks ago, I received a tip. The
attorney general was fed up with having his picture taken during events in
the Great Hall in front of semi-nude statues.

He had ordered massive draperies to conceal the offending figures. But
initially not only could the story not be confirmed  it was strongly denied.
As some of you may know the Justice Department building was constructed
during the 1930s as a WPA project, completed in 1934. The artwork and
fittings were strongly influenced by the Art Deco movement. Much of the
ornamentation in the building is made of aluminum, apparently a big Art
Deco feature.
The Great Hall is basically what it sounds like  a large, even grand,
two-story room used for department events and ceremonies. The formal
entrance up a winding stairway is adorned with murals depicting great
figures in the history of law, including Moses, Hammurabi, and John Marshall.
At the opposite end of the hall, on either side of the stage, are two
enormous and stylized but largely naked aluminum statues. On the left, the
female figure represents the Spirit of Justice; the male on the right is
the Majesty of Justice. The male is clad in only a cloth draped over his
essential parts; the female wears a sort of toga-style garment, but one
breast is entirely exposed. She's been fondly referred to for years by at
least some as "Minnie Lou."
And she's the one the photographers seek out. The most famous pictures of
all were shot when former U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese proudly
released the final report of his commission on pornography. No one in the
Great Hall that day could ever forget the spectacle of the still
photographers writhing on the floor, flat on their backs, in order to grab
the shot of Meese holding up the porn report with Minnie Lou's breast over
his shoulder.
So there were some who wondered how Attorney General John Ashcroft, known
as a strongly religious and conservative man, would get along with the
figures once he became attorney general.
For a long time he didn't seem to mind. But last November he and Deputy
Attorney General Larry Thompson staged a major event in the Great Hall, to
announce their plans for restructuring the Justice Department to address
the new challenge of fighting terrorism. Many papers the next day used a
photo of the attorney general with  you guessed it  Minnie Lou and that
breast right over his shoulder.
According to my original tipster, that was the final straw for Ashcroft,
and he ordered that the statues henceforth be draped.
Public affairs people however denied any such thing. They stoutly
maintained that the attorney general had never complained and that no
draperies had been ordered. They pointed out that periodically, through
different administrations, draperies were sometimes rented for particular
events.
They noted that former spokeswoman Mindy Tucker always hated the statues;
Mindy told me Thursday it was her view that half the women in the
department were offended by them and the other half considered them art.
Well, I guess this is a lot of background to get to the point: the
draperies have in fact been ordered. Minnie Lou and her mate now can only
be imagined. The draperies installed last week at a cost of just over $8,000.
And it turns out that they were indeed ordered by someone in the attorney
general's office, who delivered the request to the Justice Management
Division and asserted it was the attorney general's desire. I'm told she
was the only person in the attorney general's office who knew about it.
She's his advance person, and she said it was done for "aesthetic purposes"
 she just thought it would look better when staging events in the Great Hall.
So now it appears that rather than making an occasional appearance, the
draperies are here to stay  unless and until someone has the temerity to
request an event without them.

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[CTRL] this site on bush is a scream

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Re: [CTRL] Pessing the Point @ Gitmo


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From: "Euphorian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> By comparison, the al Qaedans look pretty fat, if not happy. They laze away in
the shade of their cells. They sleep on inch-and-a-half-thick isomats, the same
ones that are issued to our military. With the assistance of a
>  Muslim Navy chaplain, they pray five times daily. (Quick studies, the al
Qaedans didn't need arrows painted on their cell floors. A single signpost next
to an American flag points the way to Mecca.) And while American pr
> isoners in the Hanoi Hilton often spent years in solitary confinement and
received no medical care

Yes, which is exactly why Col. James Hughes, USAF, who was imprisoned at the
Hanoi Hilton for years, has pleaded that the prisoners at Camp X-Ray be treated
humanely. Not only should we treat others in accordance with our own values in
this regard, as we do so often now condemn the Taliban for its inhumanity in its
trwatment of its enemies, but it will become a stigma for us in the worst way if
we do not walk the walk, as we sure do talk the talk.

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[CTRL] Fw: BY ADDING LIES ONE DOESN'T GET THE TRUTH (Milosevic) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

2002-02-02 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic



 
 President Slobodan Miloševic in The Hague, January 30, 
2002 (transcript)
 
By adding 
three lies, one does not get the truth – only a bigger lie 

 
Pres. 
Milosevic:
By 
adding three lies, one does not get the truth – only a bigger lie. 

All three indictments really have a running 
thread – to use an expression I've heard used here – which is the ongoing crime 
against Yugoslavia and against my people.This here is obviously a colossal abuse 
of power to fabricate an historical forgery in which those who advocated the 
preservation of Yugoslavia would be charged with its destruction; those who 
defended the country would be accused of crimes; and those who advocated and 
committed secession, advocating separatism and terrorism, would be given amnesty 
– because they were backed by forces that wanted to establish control over the 
Balkans, so as to be able to use this strategic position to establish their 
control elsewhere.
As we've heard, you spoke of three 
connected events. How come the authors of this so-called plan, of which they 
speak so self-assuredly, only got around to making allegations about Bosnia and 
Croatia after ten years? Furthermore, these claims are absurd and nonsensical, 
primarily because the entire policy of the Serbs, Serbia and me personally was 
in regard to Croatia and Bosnia focused on peace, not war. We had used all our 
influence to achieve peace as soon as possible. 
At the very beginning of the conflict in 
Croatia, we advocated a political solution. Based on that proposal, the UN 
Protected Areas were established and the situation calmed down immediately. On 
March 24, 1992, the late Croatian leader Tudjman spoke to his nation from the 
Ban Jelacic Square [in Zagreb], saying literally: “There would not have been a 
war had Croatia not wanted it, but we judged this was the only way to achieve 
independence.” There would have certainly been no war had Croatia not wished for 
it. Serbia never participated in that war anyway. It was an internal conflict. 

Why did Croatia want war? Most 
certainly not in order for the Croatian people to use their right to 
self-determination and secession (Macedonia, for example, claimed that right and 
separated from Yugoslavia), but to achieve its goal of expelling half a million 
Serbs from Croatia – Serbian Krajina – who for centuries lived there on their 
own land, and not as occupiers. 
Until the 
arrival of that Croatian regime that wanted war and so admitted publicly, 
Croatia had a Constitution describing it as a state of Croats, Serbs and other 
peoples residing therein. That Constitution had been changed. Serbs lost their 
rights and their constituent status in Croatia, and they rose in rebellion. At 
the time, few in Serbia even knew that Serbs lived in some part of Croatia. 

You speak of 
the plan according to which, with German support, Croatia was prematurely 
recognized at the end of 1991, without waiting for a political solution, which 
sparked a confrontation in which Serbia – I repeat – only contributed in finding 
a peaceful solution as soon as possible. Even the Croatian government never 
accused us of that conflict, and now I hear, here, today, that we had some sort 
of a plan for that?
There was, 
in fact, a plan – a clear plan aimed against a state that was, I would say, at 
the time a model of future European federalism. That state was Yugoslavia, in 
which multiple nations lived in a federation, on equal footing, successfully, 
with the ability to prosper, develop, and show the entire world that coexistence 
was possible.
All the time 
we fought for Yugoslavia, for the preservation of Yugoslavia. After all, all the 
facts prove that what I am saying is true. Only the Federal Republic of 
Yugoslavia, which now exists, retained its ethnic makeup. There were no 
expulsions, from the beginning to the end of the Yugoslav crisis. All other 
republics had changed their ethnic makeup. Half a million Serbs were expelled 
from Croatia and we all know what happened in Bosnia, not to mention other parts 
of Yugoslavia. 
Therefore, I 
would say this is a malicious, utterly hostile process aimed at justifying the 
crime against my country and use this court as a weapon against my country and 
my people.
Look at 
Bosnia-Herzergovina. Over there, we tried from the very beginning to secure 
peace. What happened to the Cutillero Plan, which eveyone had backed? Islamist 
Bosnian Government rejected it at the urging of the U.S. Ambassador and the 
conflict began. How can Serbia be accused of anything in Bosnia, when it is well 
known that, attempting to use our influence for peace, we not only backed all 
the peace proposals, but tried to help implement them? 

In 1993, in 
Athens, there was a meeting at which the Vance-Owen Peace Plan was signed. 
Everybody signed it. I went to Pale with [Greek Prime Minister] Mitsotakis and 
former Yugoslav president Dobrica Cosic, and we advocated the acceptance of this 
plan. Unfrotunately, i

[CTRL] Fw: BY ADDING LIES ONE DOESN'T GET THE TRUTH (Milosevic) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

2002-02-02 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic



 
 President Slobodan Miloševic in The Hague, January 30, 
2002 (transcript)
 
By adding 
three lies, one does not get the truth – only a bigger lie 

 
Pres. 
Milosevic:
By 
adding three lies, one does not get the truth – only a bigger lie. 

All three indictments really have a running 
thread – to use an expression I've heard used here – which is the ongoing crime 
against Yugoslavia and against my people.This here is obviously a colossal abuse 
of power to fabricate an historical forgery in which those who advocated the 
preservation of Yugoslavia would be charged with its destruction; those who 
defended the country would be accused of crimes; and those who advocated and 
committed secession, advocating separatism and terrorism, would be given amnesty 
– because they were backed by forces that wanted to establish control over the 
Balkans, so as to be able to use this strategic position to establish their 
control elsewhere.
As we've heard, you spoke of three 
connected events. How come the authors of this so-called plan, of which they 
speak so self-assuredly, only got around to making allegations about Bosnia and 
Croatia after ten years? Furthermore, these claims are absurd and nonsensical, 
primarily because the entire policy of the Serbs, Serbia and me personally was 
in regard to Croatia and Bosnia focused on peace, not war. We had used all our 
influence to achieve peace as soon as possible. 
At the very beginning of the conflict in 
Croatia, we advocated a political solution. Based on that proposal, the UN 
Protected Areas were established and the situation calmed down immediately. On 
March 24, 1992, the late Croatian leader Tudjman spoke to his nation from the 
Ban Jelacic Square [in Zagreb], saying literally: “There would not have been a 
war had Croatia not wanted it, but we judged this was the only way to achieve 
independence.” There would have certainly been no war had Croatia not wished for 
it. Serbia never participated in that war anyway. It was an internal conflict. 

Why did Croatia want war? Most 
certainly not in order for the Croatian people to use their right to 
self-determination and secession (Macedonia, for example, claimed that right and 
separated from Yugoslavia), but to achieve its goal of expelling half a million 
Serbs from Croatia – Serbian Krajina – who for centuries lived there on their 
own land, and not as occupiers. 
Until the 
arrival of that Croatian regime that wanted war and so admitted publicly, 
Croatia had a Constitution describing it as a state of Croats, Serbs and other 
peoples residing therein. That Constitution had been changed. Serbs lost their 
rights and their constituent status in Croatia, and they rose in rebellion. At 
the time, few in Serbia even knew that Serbs lived in some part of Croatia. 

You speak of 
the plan according to which, with German support, Croatia was prematurely 
recognized at the end of 1991, without waiting for a political solution, which 
sparked a confrontation in which Serbia – I repeat – only contributed in finding 
a peaceful solution as soon as possible. Even the Croatian government never 
accused us of that conflict, and now I hear, here, today, that we had some sort 
of a plan for that?
There was, 
in fact, a plan – a clear plan aimed against a state that was, I would say, at 
the time a model of future European federalism. That state was Yugoslavia, in 
which multiple nations lived in a federation, on equal footing, successfully, 
with the ability to prosper, develop, and show the entire world that coexistence 
was possible.
All the time 
we fought for Yugoslavia, for the preservation of Yugoslavia. After all, all the 
facts prove that what I am saying is true. Only the Federal Republic of 
Yugoslavia, which now exists, retained its ethnic makeup. There were no 
expulsions, from the beginning to the end of the Yugoslav crisis. All other 
republics had changed their ethnic makeup. Half a million Serbs were expelled 
from Croatia and we all know what happened in Bosnia, not to mention other parts 
of Yugoslavia. 
Therefore, I 
would say this is a malicious, utterly hostile process aimed at justifying the 
crime against my country and use this court as a weapon against my country and 
my people.
Look at 
Bosnia-Herzergovina. Over there, we tried from the very beginning to secure 
peace. What happened to the Cutillero Plan, which eveyone had backed? Islamist 
Bosnian Government rejected it at the urging of the U.S. Ambassador and the 
conflict began. How can Serbia be accused of anything in Bosnia, when it is well 
known that, attempting to use our influence for peace, we not only backed all 
the peace proposals, but tried to help implement them? 

In 1993, in 
Athens, there was a meeting at which the Vance-Owen Peace Plan was signed. 
Everybody signed it. I went to Pale with [Greek Prime Minister] Mitsotakis and 
former Yugoslav president Dobrica Cosic, and we advocated the acceptance of this 
plan. Unfrotunately, i

[CTRL] Fw: SO-CALLED MILOSEVIC'S INTERVIEW TO ITAR-TASS IS FALSE!

2002-02-02 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic

- Original Message - 
From: Vladimir Krsljanin 

To: mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:@smtp.sps.org.yu 

Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:19 PM
Subject: SO-CALLED MILOSEVIC'S INTERVIEW TO ITAR-TASS IS 
FALSE!

Some Yugoslav media, quoting each other, with 
completelly unknown source, published excerpts from an "interview" of President 
Milosevic given to the "Rome correspondent of Russian agency ITAR-TASS" and to 
some "other Italian journalists". This cheap fabrication, full of spirit of 
bitterness and dissapointment has an obvious aim to create confusion in 
Yugoslavia, where determination of the people in support of President Milosevic 
increases. Also, intention is to hide the true political messages of President 
Milosevic by giving big publicity to fabricated sensations.

To join or help this struggle, visit:http://www.sps.org.yu/ (official SPS 
website)http://www.belgrade-forum.org/ (forum 
for the world of equals)http://www.icdsm.org/ (the international 
committee to defend Slobodan Milosevic)http://www.jutarnje.co.yu/ ('morning news' 
the only Serbian newspaper advocating liberation)

[CTRL] Novus Ordo Seculorum Resumed


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}}}>Begin
The American Way Redux,
Novus Ordo Seculorum Resumed -- Gasp!
By John G. Lankford 02.02.02

Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole recognized it. Talk show host
Larry King grasped it. Solicitor General Ted Olson nailed it.

But because it was positioned in the second half of the fourth
quarter of President George W. Bush's Tuesday, Jan. 28 State of the
Union address , and for other reasons, most people probably
experienced a somewhat uneasy "What was that all about?" feeling or
missed it entirely.

The peroration of that section of the speech was this:

"We have a a greater objective than eliminating threats and
containing resentment. We seek a just and peaceful world beyond the
war on terror."

Had the passage summarized there been presented as the major theme of a major foreign 
policy speech, announced as a thundering manifesto, it would have been called a 
'doctrine", as were the Monroe Doctrine, the Soviet Bre
zhnev Doctrine, and a number of others. As usual, this site's readers and writers have 
anticipated it, some with dread and some with exuberance, and will be among the 
cognoscenti alert for just such a speech, or at least
a distinct policy direction, in the future.

One name for it is the American Way, that principle Superman liked. The more venerable 
one is Novus Ordo Seculorum, a motto of the founders of the United States of America 
that translates approximately as "a new ordering
of earthly affairs." It is what some people mean when they say "new world order" and 
the opposite of what others mean by the very same phrase.

As a people, we once believed in it implicitly. Then, during the Vietnam era, we 
questioned and denied it. In the intervening thirty-plus years, we largely ceased to 
comprehend it, and accordingly came to fear it whenever
 it any allusion to it did occur.

That is not surprising, because, while grippingly bold, it is at the same time a 
restrained, qualified, even somewhat ambivalent doctrine, one that not only does but 
must coexist with its opposite, absolute isolationism.
In that, it is comparable to the Golden Mean described by the philosopher Aristotle. 
And, like any great principle, it has frequently been kidnapped by narrow-minded, 
shortsighted zealots and loons.

The fact that it has been and can be so abused is what causes even those of us who 
generally comprehend its scope to gasp when someone proclaims it. But to gasp is not 
to cower, any more than to feel great fear in combat
is to run screaming for a hidey- hole far from the front. That has to be borne in 
mind, because this novus ordo is not only powerful and hazardous, but humanly 
inevitable -- as this nation's founders recognized.

First, they recognized the old order of affairs for what it was: one of thievery, 
thuggery, and perpetual warfare. The ruling classes of their era were warriors and the 
offspring of warriors, the nobility, advancing their
 fortunes by pillaging, rapine and intimidation. The business of nations was largely 
warfare.

Second, they realized there had long existed a subordinated and better alternative: in 
a word, commerce. The one thing on which Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson 
agreed was that the newly-ordered United States of Am
erica should be a producing and trading nation, not a conquering and conniving nation.

Jefferson would have had it be heterogeneous, loosely united, and agrarian. Hamilton 
wanted it more uniformly organized and industrial-commercial. But they agreed the new 
nation should trade with all and conspire toward b
elligerent ascendancy with none. George Washington and others signed on, emphasizing 
what can be a contrary theme, isolationism, but recognizing it could furnish a means 
of achieving commercial, though not military, engag
ement with all the other nations.

"The chief business of America is business", said President Calvin Coolidge, making a 
statement much derided by people who did not realize that if it is not so, then the 
chief business of nations is war. Coolidge, not the
y, stood in the aura of the nation's founding principle.

The founders were historically correct. The Phoenicians and then the Carthaginians in 
ancient times proliferated commerce, and, with it, astonishing material progress, 
cultural proliferation, and comparatively lightly-reg
ulated civilization across the Mediterranean in primitive and savage times. The Hansa, 
or Hanseatic League, did much the same during the European Dark Age, setting the stage 
for the Renaissance and also for the first worl
dwide manifestation of globalization, the British Empire (which got its start largely 
by stealing the Hansa's ships and taking over much of its function).

At the end of the nineteenth century, commentators were predicting that commerce and 
trade would soon complete the replacement of warfare as the major theme in 
international relations. Then, as we know, starting in August
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