[CTRL] JFK, Jr.: How It Happened (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:27:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Fox Balance Sheet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JFK, Jr.: How It Happened Welcome to THE BALANCE SHEET, the Fox News Viewer Newsletter, providing Fox Fans with the inside scoop, a sneak peek at Fox News programming, and a chance to speak out on-the-air. = ONE YEAR LATER: THE JFK JR. TRAGEDY It's been one year since JFK Jr., his wife Carolyn, and Lauren Bessette disappeared into the fog off Martha's Vineyard. This weekend FNC looks back at three very promising young lives, and lingering questions about their death. -- JFK Jr.: An American Tragedy (Sat, 11 a.m., 6 p.m.; Sun 9 a.m., 10 p.m.) JFK Jr. was America's prince charming, and his marriage to model Carolyn Bessette seemed like the start of a storybook life together. Join us for a revealing look at the couple behind the public image; we speak candidly with the people who knew them best. -- JFK Jr.: How It Happened (Sat, 2 p.m., 10 p.m.; Sun 2 p.m., 8 p.m.) Why didn't he use the auto pilot on his Piper Saratoga II, which would have automatically brought the plane within 100 feet of the landing strip? Why didn't he call for help on his radio? Why didn't he accept the help of a flight instructor, who warned him that he might not be experienced enough to fly through the weather? Tune-in for a FOX News investigation. = PLAYBOY NOT PORN? Bill O'Reilly was called to the mat by a viewer about O'Reilly's recent Darva Conger interview. Scott Homa from Washington, D.C. asked, "Bill, you called ATT's plan to carry sexually explicit movies on their cable system wrong, yet you had Darva Conger on 'The Factor' to promote her "Playboy" layout. Aren't you being hypocritical?" O'Reilly responded: "There's a huge difference between pornography, made largely by mobsters, and "Playboy" magazine, and if you can't see that, I can't help you." Think "Playboy" is different from porn? Think Bill is a hypocrite? Sound off by sending us an e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] = FOX NEWS SUNDAY Both the future of the Middle East and a Presidential legacy are currently up-for-grabs at Camp David. Is it in Prime Minister Barak's (who is on shaky ground back home) best interest for the peace talks to fail? Will Clinton try to "buy" a peace deal to polish his record? Tony Snow and the Fox News Sunday team get the story behind the summit: Sunday morning on your local FOX affiliate, or 6 p.m. ET here on FNC. = WEEKEND WATCH 212 (Saturday, 9:30 p.m.; Sunday, 7:30 p.m.) Stories from the streets of New York City -- Meet a stripper who stays abreast of the competition with her oversized, treasured chest. Plus, take a trip to an underground concert. BELTWAY BOYS (Saturday, 9 p.m.; Sunday, 7 p.m.) Al Gore: common man? The V.P. reinvents himself. Will it boost his polls? NEWS WATCH (Saturday, 7 p.m.; Sunday 11 a.m.) A scandalous photo of New Jersey's governor re-ignites the racial profiling debate, and, a fight over hockey leads to a father's death -- did he become a victim of media sensationalism as well? = NEW QUIZ, NEW PRIZES Wes Hardin from Joppa, AL won the final installment of the Presidential Pop Quiz in the July 4th Balance Sheet. He correctly named the three presidents who died on the 4th of July: John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe. Congrats Wes! You're the last Fox Fan to win an FNC hat! Now the good news: Fox Fans will have an opportunity to win a VERY SPECIAL PRIZE through the Balance Sheet beginning next week when we launch our new quiz. Check this space in one week for details. = SPECIAL HOLIDAY WEEKEND SCHEDULE Listings are for Eastern Time. Saturday, July 15th, 2000 6 am The Edge w/ Paula Zahn 7 am FOX Friends: JFK Jr. Special Edition 9 am Special Report w/ Brit Hume 10 am Cavuto On Business 11 am JFK Jr.: An American Tragedy 12 pm Fox News Live 2 pm JFK Jr.: How It Happened 4 pm Fox News Live 6 pm JFK Jr.: An American Tragedy 7 pm Fox News Watch 7:30 pm Hot Shots 8 pm The O'Reilly Factor 9 pm Beltway Boys 9:30 pm 212 10 pm JFK Jr.: How It Happened 12 am Judith Regan Tonight 1 am The Full Nelson Sunday, July 16th, 2000 6 am Hannity Colmes 7 am Fox News Live 9 am JFK Jr.: An American Tragedy 10 am Cavuto On Business 11 am FOX News Watch 11:30 am Beyond The News 12 pm Fox News Live 2 pm JFK Jr.: How It Happened 4 pm Fox News Live 6 pm Fox News Sunday 7 pm Beltway Boys 7:30 pm 212 8 pm
[CTRL] JFK, Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:59"JFK, Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus/A - Subject: JFK, Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Kansan1225) Date: Thu, 20 January 2000 07:04 AM EST Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The January 2000 issue of my monthly newsletter "Contemporary Indications of a Conspiracy" includes the following stories: JFK, Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus More on the "13"-Lines of New Atlantis (a.k.a. the USA) Adolf Schicklgruber and his father and more The November 1999 issue covered the following: The Antichrist and George W. Bush The secrets of Payne Stewart Flight of Horrors, Flight of Horus (EgyptAir 990) and more December 1999 issue: The CLuM meaning of the name "John McCain" The Masonic occupation of Germany More of what the Harodim wrought in 1998 and more Single issues are available for $3.95, a one-year (12 issues) subscription is $29.95. The monthly newsletter "Contemporary Indications of a Conspiracy" is first mailed out between the 15th and 20th days of the month of issue. It can be ordered by writing to: Kansan1225 Dept. J P.O. Box 840395 Houston, TX 77284 For more information on the secret nature of Luciferian Masonry and satanic Zionism, please visit the Web site "Dark Millennium" at: A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/index.html"http://www.angelfi re.com/wy/1000/index.html/A = There are no conspiracies. It's just ignorance: A HREF="http://welcome.to/thenews"http://welcome.to/thenews/ A Only God has the Power and the Glory to create a genuine mystery Sent via Deja.com A HREF="http://www.deja.com/"http://www.deja.com//A Before you buy - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:586391"JFK Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus/A - Subject: JFK Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Kansan1225) Date: Thu, 06 January 2000 09:23 AM EST Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The January 2000 issue of my monthly newsletter "Contemporary Indications of a Conspiracy" will include the following stories: JFK Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus More on the "13"-Lines of New Atlantis (a.k.a. the USA) Adolf Schicklgruber and his father and more The November 1999 issue covered the following: The Antichrist and George W. Bush The secrets of Payne Stewart Flight of Horrors, Flight of Horus (EgyptAir 990) and more December 1999 issue: The CLuM meaning of the name "John McCain" The Masonic occupation of Germany More of what the Harodim wrought in 1998 and more Single issues are available for $3.95, a one-year (12 issues) subscription is $29.95. The monthly newsletter "Contemporary Indications of a Conspiracy" is first mailed out between the 15th and 20th days of the month of issue. It can be ordered by writing to: Kansan1225 Dept. J P.O. Box 840395 Houston, TX 77284 For more information on the secret nature of Luciferian Masonry and satanic Zionism, please visit the Web site "Dark Millennium" at: A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/index.html"http://www.angelfi re.com/wy/1000/index.html/A - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK jr.
-Caveat Lector- Why is this post on this list? This list, CTRL, is not in any way connected with Conspire.com, which is put up by Vankin who wrote "The 50 greatest conspiracies", then "The 60 . . ." If you have a problem with them let them know about it. In a message dated 9/25/99 11:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are youse guys conspiracy coverup artists, or merely clueless? Looks to me like you're just another of many elitist/government propaganda organs. Your hack-piece on JFK jr. assassination is remarkable for a site called "conspire.com" Overall- a brief overview of your large site shows quite a bit of support for the Clinton political machine, and what could only be described as a disinformationist propagandizing regarding such speciousness as: "As for the Clinton murder theory -- well, as much as we like long lists of dead people, we hate to tell you but there's no way that Clinton killed any of them." Another part of your DISinformation site proudly proclaims: "There is no evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved in the actual shooting. The only remaining question is whether anyone put him up to it. There is no evidence of conspiracy" Who ARE you, really- who pays you? Guess no one will ever know the answer to THAT question... Clearly however- you've got definite agendas that are NOT related to putting out the truth. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK Jr., Generous to the End
-Caveat Lector- By Samuel Maull -- The Associated Press N E W Y O R K, Sept. 24 John F. Kennedy Jr. left his personal property to his sisters three children and money from a multimillion-dollar trust to family, friends and charities. Kennedys will, filed today in Manhattan Surrogates Court, does not state the value of Kennedys estate but says it is worth more than $1 million. Kennedys net worth had been estimated as ranging from $30 million to $100 million. Will From Two Years Ago The document, signed Dec. 19, 1997, fails to specify monetary bequests except to say several beneficiaries are provided for through a trust that Kennedy established in 1983. Kennedy, 38, his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and her sister, Lauren Bessette, 34, died after the single-engine Piper Saratoga airplane he was piloting plunged 1,100 feet into the waters off Marthas Vineyard on July 16. In addition to getting all of Kennedys personal property, the children of Kennedys sister will also receive bequests under his 1983 trust. The children of Caroline Kennedy and Edwin Scholossberg are Rose Kennedy Schlossberg, 11, Tatiana C. Kennedy Schlossberg, 9, and John B. Kennedy Schlossberg, 6. Loyal Staff Were Also Mentioned Kennedy also left financial bequests under the 1983 trust to people who worked for his parents. They include Ephigenia Pinheiro, the personal assistant to his mother, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, and Marta Sgubin, a former Kennedy family cook and governess to him and Caroline. Another beneficiary is Rosemarie Terenzio, Kennedys assistant at George, the social and political-interest magazine he founded. Kennedy also left money to charities and institutions, including Reaching Up Inc., a New York organization for the mentally disabled, and the John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library Foundation Inc. in Boston. There was no mention of his magazine or how his interest in it should be handled. Anthony Stanislaus Radziwill, Kennedys first cousin, was named as executor, but because Radziwill died of cancer last month, another Kennedy cousin, Timothy P. Shriver, was named to perform those duties. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK jr.
-Caveat Lector- Are youse guys conspiracy coverup artists, or merely clueless? Looks to me like you're just another of many elitist/government propaganda organs. Your hack-piece on JFK jr. assassination is remarkable for a site called "conspire.com" Overall- a brief overview of your large site shows quite a bit of support for the Clinton political machine, and what could only be described as a disinformationist propagandizing regarding such speciousness as: "As for the Clinton murder theory -- well, as much as we like long lists of dead people, we hate to tell you but there's no way that Clinton killed any of them." Another part of your DISinformation site proudly proclaims: "There is no evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved in the actual shooting. The only remaining question is whether anyone put him up to it. There is no evidence of conspiracy" Who ARE you, really- who pays you? Guess no one will ever know the answer to THAT question... Clearly however- you've got definite agendas that are NOT related to putting out the truth. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. and the 13TH LINE
-Caveat Lector- --- Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JFK, Jr., and his public wife, Carolyn Bessette PUBLIC?? Is someone implying that JFK Jr. had another wife unknown to those outside CLuM circles? Does this tie into those homosexual posts from a couple of weeks ago? Or is this something that someone who joined the list before me (late June) already knows? Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK Jr. and the 13TH LINE
-Caveat Lector- JFK Jr. and the 13TH LINE People who are aware of the Luciferian Masonic Conspiracy instituted to help bring about the Empire of the Antichrist, a.k.a. the New World Order, know that geographic latitude and longitude play an important role in Conspiratorial productions. For example, JFK's ritual sacrifice was performed in Dallas, because that city is close to the N. 33 parallel: the 33rd degree is the highest degree of the Scottish Rite of Masonry. In a similar fashion, JFK, Jr., was killed and committed to the waters of the Atlantic close to the intersection of the N. 41 parallel and W. 71 meridian; summing up, 4 + 1 + 7 + 1 = 13, the most Masonically correct number. This intersection, southwest of Martha's Vineyard, is also close to the small island called No Mans Land. "No Mans" is a Baconian cypher for "Mason", i.e., Mason Land. JFK, Jr., and his public wife, Carolyn Bessette, were married on Cumberland Island, off the coast of Georgia. This island is close to the intersection of the N. 31 parallel and the W. 81 meridian; again, 3 + 1 + 8 + 1 = 13. Another important Conspiratorial spot nearby is Jekyll Island, GA. It was there that clandestine Luciferian Masonic (CLuM) Conspirators met to organize the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organization (RICO) known as the Federal Reserve System. These two geographical intersections are part of a line of similar intersections along the eastern seaboard, whose numbers add up to 13. From south to north, these intersections are: *** N. 31 parallel and W. 81 meridian, just mentioned. Off the coast of Georgia, close to the Florida border. *** N. 32 parallel and W. 80 meridian; 3 + 2 + 8 + 0 = 13. Off the coast of South Carolina, close to Charleston. Charleston is the seat of the Mother Council of the Masonic Scottish Rite for the whole world. The names of the Carolinas and Charleston are reminders of King Charles I of England, another CLuM sacrificial victim, decapitated by CLuM Brother Oliver Cromwell in 1649. Luciferian Masons are fascinated by decapitations and skulls: their predecessors, the Knights Templars, worshipped the Baphomet, a mysterious skull. The Yale-based Masonic-type secret society Skull and Bones keeps the skulls of Mexican and Native American revolutionaries in the Tomb, its on-campus headquarters in New Haven, CT Similarly, the Masonic-type German secret society Thule initiated Adolf Hitler in its ranks, who later organized the SS. The SS followed Masonic- type secret rituals and their emblem was the Skull and Bones, just like CLuM Brother George W. Bush's fraternity. Farther north there are more "13" intersections: *** N. 40 parallel and W. 72 meridian, off the south coast of Long Island, NY, not too far from where TWA 800 was deep-sixed by the CLuMs on July 17, 1996. Again, 4 + 0 + 7 + 2 = 13. *** N. 41 parallel and W. 71 meridian, southwest of Martha's Vineyard, not far from where JFK, Jr.'s plane was deep-sixed by the CLuMs on July 16, 1999. Again, 4 + 1 + 7 + 1 = 13. The ashes of all three sacrificial victims were deep-sixed there, too, in a big hurry. *** N. 42 parallel and W. 70 meridian, close to the sodomite resort of Provincetown, MA, on Cape Cod. CLuMs are great advocates of sodomy, since the Antichrist himself is of a dubious nature. The androgynous nature of the Antichrist is symbolized by the two interlocking triangles of the occult hexagram known as the Star of David, or Seal of Solomon, a prominent Masonic emblem. Again, 4 + 2 + 7 + 0 = 13. By connecting these intersections on a map, one draws a line stretching from the Atlantic coastal border of Florida and Georgia to the coastal border of Maine with the Canadian province of New Brunswick. This "13" line, therefore, encompasses the 13 original colonies and, later, states of New Atlantis, a.k.a. the U.S.A. (Back then, Maine was part of the territory of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.) What a CLuM "coincidence"! Examining this "13" line, one sees that it passes near Kitty Hawk, NC, the site of the Wright brothers' first flight. Later on, in 1932, the world- famous aviator, Col. Charles A. Lindbergh, searched for his kidnapped baby son along this "13" line southwest of Martha's Vineyard, close to No Mans Land (Mason Land). As CLuM luck would have it, the Lindbergh family's original name back in Sweden was Mansson, another Baconian cypher for "No Mans". There is good reason to believe that the real grandfather of Col. Lindbergh was the Crown Prince of Sweden and later King Charles XV. Members of the Swedish royal family are prominent patrons of Masonry and the royal family itself is associated with the so-called Luciferian bloodline connected to the "Priory of Zion". Therefore, it seems that the Lindbergh baby, a likely Luciferian descendant, was offered as a "thanksgiving" sacrifice to Lucifer/Satan for the aviation successes of the Wright brothers and his father, Charley Mansson, a.k.a. Col. Charles A. Lindbergh. As CLuM luck would have it,
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. and the 13TH LINE
-Caveat Lector- The SS ( Schutzstaffel) was organized by Reich Leader Heinrich Himmler, this organized the Keppler Circle later known as Himmlers Circle of Friends The Circle had about 40 members including people from Standard Oil and ITT. List of some members in WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLERi (Antony Sutton) Chapter Nine the nazi inner circle. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK jr. request
-Caveat Lector- I know this is a rather tedious request, but if any of you have any good sites or articles with JFK jr. conspiracy theories, info., etc., could you please send them my way? I write a conspiracy theory column for my school newspaper, and my next article was going to be on this past summer's events. Thanks DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK jr. request
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/6/99 6:43:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know this is a rather tedious request, but if any of you have any good sites or articles with JFK jr. conspiracy theories, info., etc., could you please send them my way? I write a conspiracy theory column for my school newspaper, and my next article was going to be on this past summer's events. Thanks Please visit the CTRL archives for all the info you could want. It is at: A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK jr. request
-Caveat Lector- Localfreak, go to the CTRL archives URLs at bottom of this page. The 2-3 weeks immediately following the downing of JFK Jr.'s plane are LOADED with information from all sides. You will have plenty of info for your article. Best of luck! Tenorlove who copy edited her school paper __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. A Homo
-Caveat Lector- Here are just a few of the astonishing charges that sources throughout the gay community have leveled at John-John: --That he frequents the same, gay nightclubs as homosexual billionaire Malcom Forbes. While the particularities of John-John's taste in men is not altogether clear - since he is typically found in the presence of other preppie bisexuals like himself - it is the consensus of insiders, deep insider, that John-John, like LFP's Mike Albo, likes young Asian boys. But then again, who doesn't? Why am I not surprised somehow? In a message dated 99-08-05 10:24:18 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would be surprised at the number of gays who preside on the executive boards of major banks and corporations We might be surprised too at the number of gays who preside over the "executive boards" of Western NATIONS, i.e., the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers. About a decade ago, the female French ambassador to one of the great gatherings of globalist power-brokers returned home in disgust, in the French press describing the supposedly straitlaced conference as virtually a gay "bath house," with the American, British (no surprise there) and German officials the most obnoxious in flaunting their homosexual "superiority" behind its closed doors, as if attending some kind of queer "family reunion." It's taken almost a decade for the government of Belgium, doubling as the capital of the EU, to be exposed as 'coincidentally" also the hub of a continental pedophile ring. Maybe one day we'll discover just HOW influential some "kinks" are in the character of those who aspire to be the "unique and special" overlords of humanity. In this Politically Correct era --or age of Orwellian truisms like "slavery is freedom" and "pathology is normalcy"-- some things dare not be said, or even suggested. I apologize only to those who feel I'm here equating one minority "sexual orientation" with the role played by that orientation among the POWERFUL -- in those obsessed with POWER relations, even (and perhaps more centrally, because symbolically) in sexual terms -- and among those who megalomaniacally see themselves as "superior," as a reaction against feeling so "different," almost ALIEN. (A psychology-qua-worldview which has its roots in ancient Greece, the source of much of our heritage in "Western Civilization.") I'm not singling out ordinary homosexuals for any blame; I'm singling out an elite of the truly powerful, in whom homosexuality provides support for an "alien" perspective that dismisses women as irrelevant and coldly views most of us as animal-like "breeders." A decade ago I recall reading a column by one of the Cockburns --a family of radical social critics, famed for their investigative journalism-- in which he stated that, in his opinion, there were three tremendously powerful groups involved in conspiracies on a global scale. I forget who two of them were -- Opus Dei, as an arm of the SMOM and Vatican intelligence, was one of them, I believe. The third, however, I remember clearly, because at the time it was a surprising and, on the surface of it, outrageous statement for anyone of Cockburn's stature to make. The third most powerful group on his list was "homosexuals," sans further elaboration. On the surface of it, and especially in the PC era --after having been systematically brainwashed by overt and secret homophiles in our culture for at least three decades now-- that sounds like bigoted nonsense without a shred of rational support. But once one simply entertains the NOTION, and begins slowly to collect all the scattered bits of data that are and were normally deliberately EXCLUDED from the "official" public record --thus from mass-perception-- for a variety of dubious reasons (e.g., in the Victorian age, from a cultural aversion to the "indelicate," which would damage the reputations of many among the high and mighty), what's been kept SECRET, kept OUT of public view, begins to pile up and congeal in a surprisingly orderly way, illuminating some things that remain otherwise inexplicable or incongrous, until one gains a greater capacity for vision into what amounts to a "blind spot" in our whole culturally-conditioned picture of "The Way Things 'Really' Are." In short, there IS INDEED an argument from which such an assertion can derive -- but only IF one dares to confront one's unconscious fears in the face of certain psychological/social "taboos" which --it turns out-- are ESSENTIAL to our falsely "homogeneous" picture of "human" society (as if obvious dichotomies in it were superficial rather than more deeply rooted). Those with REAL power stake their lives on the reality of a dichotomy between Masters and Slaves, between Predators and Prey -- for them, two very DIFFERENT species ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. A Homo
-Caveat Lector- America - discount because as far as education Clinton's and Bush's are air heads Japan - helped get aspartame on the market and has many purifying agents like (carbon) only theirs are things like coral that will purify water China - most favored nation status, I have met some of their exchange students - idiot savants that can only move numerical variables around. Capable of using their brains but think they can already do everything better than middle age has been. Bottom line they can not fight their way out of a wet paper bag. NATZ's - bred to be a superior race! of white lab rats to experiment on. Yale - taught courses backing hippies. Skull and Bones Kinnsey Report England - a prince that is bowing over backwards to do well. Like any "Good" movie star or waitress He lives to help the people. Is first royal to have a college education and learned Celtic. Also publicly advocates organic farming. Holland - a major center of pedifilia since at least the early 1980's. Belgium - gradually taken over * Home of NATO * America is home of NATO's military division Jews - being scrap goats, why? adding this to the next part (which is a essay) some or conspicuous by their absence. Egypt Syria Arabia So ask yourself which religions or beliefs would not think of homosexuals as abnormal? American numbers are Arabic Egypt was a major center of learning - but only of the privileged Syria which religion in that region believes in suicidal actions for their religion. Where did the money backing for Hitler come from Bush was one, but gas and oil Sooo, who might consider themselves and their religion the chosen one(s)? I still say that humans are not the majority, that it is bacteria. any time a major center of learning was put together it was destroyed. They bogarted their waste and thought that it was detrimental to allow everyone to learn. Yet once the Hapsburg dynasty cleaned itself it stayed in power for over 3 centuries. Austria was a major center of education for all. I wish I knew enough about that area and their relgions to go into more detail, but the road seems to lead their. Homosidal maniacs with suicidal tendincies if they are doing this. Who controls the purse strings. Who is bombing their advisaries? The ones that say that this is not the way to go. Who is putting in homosexualism as a survival chariteristic. Zero population growth, for who? Who is making that homosexualism is pedifilism? original war Crusades was against the Muslims (Got this from my college history book, "Readings for U.S. History 2nd Edition" Senior Editor Dr. Michael A. White by Kendall/Hunt of Dubuque, Iowa (c) 1992- the story was called "John Smith Before Jamestown") about 1601 "John Smith was now about to plunge into the nightmare world of eastern Europe: where Catholics fought Protestants, or Turks, and Protestants fought Turks, or Catholics, or renegade mercenaries, or all three: where Germans fought Hungarians or Turks or Both: where Hungarians were sometimes both Austrian allies and Turkish vassals." "This was a world where the Austrian emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, Rudolph II, relieved his chronic insanity with periodic fits of uncontrollable rage; where Sigismund Bathory, Prince of Transylvania, of a family long-tainted with madness, abdicated and reclaimed his throne no fewer than three times' where his cousin Elizabeth, with the tran-sylvanian penchant so reminiscent of Count Dracula, indulged in beauty baths that ultimately took the blood, and lives, of 650 young women." "It was a place where incessant warfare and banditry brought desolation, famine, familial cannibalism, and other unspeakable horrors; where lucky prisoners wee enslaved, the less lucky butchered, and the luckless skinned alive." Plus it was cold in Europe! If I were a self respecting black father or mother in which the trail of my children's manhood may have meant being killed by my own son, which is a part of some tribes - I am not sure of Africa countries back then. Would I have sent them to that barbarous place? African gold is well known and before America the main wearing apparel in Europe seemed to be animal skins - Yet by using the tale of Robin Hood you could imagine that even before Hoods time that animals were prized. So who made it economically feasible for America to be settled and made a market for cotton? Was that stuff warm in a drafty castle? Yet, it could be dyed and this list has shown that knowledge of dye (color) in that time, and now, was money. It seems as if those people of dye have gone into pharmaceuticals. So, keeping this war alive - the different religions, has been advantageous. Also, if you study sugar "Complete Guide to Macrobiotic Cooking" by Aveline Kushi (c) 1985 Warner NY She refers to the fact "During the Middle Ages, when refined sugar first became processed and entered
[CTRL] JFK Jr almost hit jet
-Caveat Lector- http://cnn.com/US/9908/18/PM-Kennedy-Investigation.ap/index.html KENNEDY FLIGHT CAME CLOSE TO JET BEFORE CRASH August 19, 1999 Web posted at: 4:24 a.m. EDT (0824 GMT) PROVIDENCE, Rhode Island (AP) -- An hour before it crashed, John F. Kennedy Jr.'s plane came close enough to an American Airlines plane that a radar controller alerted the crew on the jetliner, investigators said. The National Transportation Safety Board confirmed the incident but it was not clear how close the planes came to each other, The Providence Journal reported Wednesday. The planes were close enough to prompt the traffic advisory to the commercial plane, but there was "no apparent risk of collision," according to NTSB spokesman Paul Schlamm. Such advisories are not rare, Schlamm said. He said the incident was not serious enough to require a course adjustment. Kennedy's plane went down off Martha's Vineyard, Mass., on July 16. Kennedy, his wife and his sister-in-law died. One possible explanation for the crash is that Kennedy was disoriented by nighttime haze. A radar controller on New York's Long Island issued the traffic advisory to the American Airlines crew while the two planes were northwest of White Plains, N.Y., 150 miles from the crash site. The pilot told the radar controller that he could see the smaller plane from his cockpit. Kennedy's Piper Saratoga, which was heading from New Jersey to Massachusetts, did not receive an advisory, Schlamm said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK, Jr., and the 13 line
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:540575"JFK, Jr., and the "13" line/A - Subject: JFK, Jr., and the "13" line From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) Date: Thu, 29 July 1999 10:46 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] People who are aware of the Luciferian Masonic Conspiracy instituted to help bring about the Empire of the Antichrist, a.k.a. the New World Order, know that geographic latitude and longitude play an important role in Conspiratorial productions. For example, JFK's ritual sacrifice was performed in Dallas, because that city is close to the N. 33 parallel: the 33rd degree is the highest degree of the Scottish Rite of Masonry. In a similar fashion, JFK, Jr., was killed and committed to the waters of the Atlantic close to the intersection of the N. 41 parallel and W. 71 meridian; summing up, 4 + 1 + 7 + 1 = 13, the most Masonically correct number. This intersection, southwest of Martha's Vineyard, is also close to the small island called No Mans Land. "No Mans" is a Baconian cypher for "Mason", i.e., Mason Land. JFK, Jr., and his public wife, Carolyn Bessette, were married on Cumberland Island, off the coast of Georgia. This island is close to the intersection of the N. 31 parallel and the W. 81 meridian; again, 3 + 1 + 8 + 1 = 13. Another important Conspiratorial spot nearby is Jekyll Island, GA. It was there that clandestine Luciferian Masonic (CLuM) Conspirators met to organize the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organization (RICO) known as the Federal Reserve System. These two geographical intersections are part of a line of similar intersections along the eastern seaboard, whose numbers add up to 13. From south to north, these intersections are: *** N. 31 parallel and W. 81 meridian, just mentioned. Off the coast of Georgia, close to the Florida border. *** N. 32 parallel and W. 80 meridian; 3 + 2 + 8 + 0 = 13. Off the coast of South Carolina, close to Charleston. Charleston is the seat of the Mother Council of the Masonic Scottish Rite for the whole world. The names of the Carolinas and Charleston are reminders of King Charles I of England, another CLuM sacrificial victim, decapitated by CLuM Brother Oliver Cromwell in 1649. Luciferian Masons are fascinated by decapitations and skulls: their predecessors, the Knights Templars, worshipped the Baphomet, a mysterious skull. The Yale-based Masonic-type secret society Skull and Bones keeps the skulls of Mexican and Native American revolutionaries in the Tomb, its on-campus headquarters in New Haven, CT Similarly, the Masonic-type German secret society Thule initiated Adolf Hitler in its ranks, who later organized the SS. The SS followed Masonic- type secret rituals and their emblem was the Skull and Bones, just like CLuM Brother George W. Bush's fraternity. Farther north there are more "13" intersections: *** N. 40 parallel and W. 72 meridian, off the south coast of Long Island, NY, not too far from where TWA 800 was deep-sixed by the CLuMs on July 17, 1996. Again, 4 + 0 + 7 + 2 = 13. *** N. 41 parallel and W. 71 meridian, southwest of Martha's Vineyard, not far from where JFK, Jr.'s plane was deep-sixed by the CLuMs on July 16, 1999. Again, 4 + 1 + 7 + 1 = 13. The ashes of all three sacrificial victims were deep-sixed there, too, in a big hurry. *** N. 42 parallel and W. 70 meridian, close to the sodomite resort of Provincetown, MA, on Cape Cod. CLuMs are great advocates of sodomy, since the Antichrist himself is of a dubious nature. The androgynous nature of the Antichrist is symbolized by the two interlocking triangles of the occult hexagram known as the Star of David, or Seal of Solomon, a prominent Masonic emblem. Again, 4 + 2 + 7 + 0 = 13. By connecting these intersections on a map, one draws a line stretching from the Atlantic coastal border of Florida and Georgia to the coastal border of Maine with the Canadian province of New Brunswick. This "13" line, therefore, encompasses the 13 original colonies and, later, states of New Atlantis, a.k.a. the U.S.A. (Back then, Maine was part of the territory of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.) What a CLuM "coincidence"! Examining this "13" line, one sees that it passes near Kitty Hawk, NC, the site of the Wright brothers' first flight. Later on, in 1932, the world- famous aviator, Col. Charles A. Lindbergh, searched for his kidnapped baby son along this "13" line southwest of Martha's Vineyard, close to No Mans Land (Mason Land). As CLuM luck would have it, the Lindbergh family's original name back in Sweden was Mansson, another Baconian cypher for "No Mans". There is good reason to believe that the real grandfather of Col. Lindbergh was the Crown Prince of Sweden and later King Charles XV. Members of the Swedish royal family are prominent patrons of Masonry and the royal family
[CTRL] JFK, Jr, Y2K, And The Mindless Media
-Caveat Lector- A Y2KNEWSWIRE.COM Feature Article Cracking the Mainstream Y2K News Process The mainstream news headlines posted over the last week have proven it: the popular U.S. press is purely and simply tabloid. Eight days of headlines about the death of a single person who wasn't even a prominent public figure? Worse yet, the glory heaped upon this person -- post-morten -- brings into question the sanity of those writing the news. Only Matt Drudge dared point out the absurdity when he said: Dan Rather, who choked up on air, summed up the treacle nicely: "From Arlington's eternal flame to a stunned New York street, a nation is not yet ready to let Camelot's crown prince go." Mr. Rather was not unique in spouting such vapid formulations. If there is a newscaster or commentator who hasn't called JFK Jr. a prince, a crowned prince, the last prince of Camelot, America's son or, worse, America's Princess Di, it can only be because he or she didn't get the memo. As Brian Kelly of U.S. News World Report told CNN, when it comes to the Kennedys, "you suspend normal news judgment." From Saturday morning, when news of the plane's disappearance first broke, on through the weekend and every day since, the maudlin drivel has been everywhere, an orgy of vacuousness and preposterous claims. "John Kennedy Jr. was where we all had our eyes for the last 35 years," NBC's Lawrence O'Donnell asserted. TV was the worst offender, pumping out hours of bilge while its reporters waited for actual news. Thus this intro: "On 'World News Tonight' this Monday--the sadness, the fascination, the mystery. Trying to find a small plane and its famous passengers in all that water." Camelot days flashed across the screen like scenes from a Riefenstahl film. On PBS's "NewsHour," Frank Mankiewicz called the assassination of JFK "the central event" of 20th-century America, brushing aside, say, World War II. From the interviews with his fraternity brothers to the psychobabble outside his home, the press seems to have created a new John Kennedy Jr. overnight. In one brief moment he went from being the affable son of a fallen president, an average district attorney and the editor of a failing magazine to . . . a secular savior. Indeed. Y2K Newswire has never witnessed such a mindless abandonment of journalistic responsibility. While a $9 million American supercomputer is being snapped up by a Chinese national for a mere $30,000... and the Communist Chinese government is imprisoning thousands of members of a so-called "religious sect" (which, turns out, is simply a Buddhist group that practices meditation), the attention of the entire nation is directed to the untimely death of a single man. GUESS WHAT'S NOT BEING COVERED? Meanwhile, the nation's attention is being misdirected away from the Year 2000 problem. Senior editors will give you a hundred reasons why: "Readers are tired of Y2K" or "It's a non-event." That's right: the death of one man in a plane crash is the central event of the 20th century. But Y2K? The little computer bug that has the potential to bring down nations, cause nuclear meltdowns around the planet, and threatens banking to such a degree that bank industry leaders scream "foul!" every time another TV ad even hints at people taking out cash? That's right: a non-event. A non-story. BUT JUST WAIT UNTIL PROBLEMS APPEAR Most news organizations are ignoring Y2K now. But just wait until something goes wrong: a riot, a local cash shortage, a terrorist attack, a water treatment plant failure... you name it. The press will be there. Especially if it involves guns. Here's the most-desired story of the mainstream press: a gun-toting Y2K survivalist breaks into Sam's Club to steal six more bags of beans. It has all the elements the press loves to attack: guns, survivalists and desperation for long-term storable food. Generally speaking, the press imagines it is an objective observer. However, with Y2K, this is turning out to be a false assumption. By ignoring the reality of the Y2K problem now, the U.S. press is promoting a false sense of security. Once problems begin, however, the press will magnify the fear by filming -- and airing -- the most desperate scenes you can imagine; even if those are isolated events. With this two-stage approach to Y2K -- ignore it so people don't prepare, then show the panic that occurs because people weren't prepared -- the press is going to be part of the story rather than an observer of the story. And when it's all over, the credibility of the mainstream press will be questioned by the public. After all, it was the news that told them, "Don't worry. Y2K is solved." It was the news, too, that refused to ask a single tough question of those claiming Y2K compliance. Here's an example of what we're talking about: Y2K Newswire is currently in touch with the FAA, requesting documents that either summarize or detail the "independent audits" that recently declared the FAA was 100% Y2K-compliant.
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr - Laser Blinded in the Night ?
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Bill Kingsbury wrote: Only to you. To the rest of us who are assessing what the authorities are spoon feeding the public, it is NOT obvious what exactly happened. He never "lost control of the airplane"...? Even if it was blown to bits, he did lose control of it. We don't KNOW that it was 'blown to bits', we don't even KNOW that he ever lost control. What we are being TOLD, in a story that only surfaced 24 hours after he was reported missing, is that the airport was in contact with him at a certain time, and that radar purports to show a certain event happening to A plane presumed to be Kennedy's. And yet, when the story first broke, we were told the searchers had no idea where to look, since Kennedy not only did not have to file a flight plan, but due to the size of his plane IT WAS NOT TRACKED ON RADAR... And yet radar tapes mysteriously surfaced late Sunday... And late on Saturday, we're suddenly told he was talking to the Vineyard airport at 9:39 Friday night...raising the question as to why the airport didn't raise an alert shortly after 10pm when he didn't arrive, and especially why they allowed the search and rescue effort to cover 1000 square miles thruout Saturday, since the searchers didn't know where to look...and then suddenly, after flotsam and jetsam washed up on Cape Cod shores, the airport suddenly remembered talking to Kennedy the night before... Either the airport deliberately allowed the search to be diverted away from the Vineyard, or they indeed never talked to Kennedy, and this is a bit of disinformation that was released after items were planted in the Vineyard vacinity to give validity to the now accepted official version of events. So we don't KNOW that Kennedy even made it to Martha's Vineyard...since we, the public, are not being given any concrete EVIDENCE that he did, but are asked to ACCEPT the bits of info (which is more likely disinfo) that we are being given...we are being TOLD that the airport talked to him (but as I have shown, analysis of THIS story raises troubling questions), we are being TOLD a Piper was found of the Vineyard, that it had 3 bodies on it, and that these bodies are Kennedy and his wife and sister-in-law...but conveniently we now don't even have these BODIES as evidence, a sudden and drastic decision to cremate the bodies and scatter the ashes at sea having been made... Conveniently not providing future researchers with bodies which could be exhumed for independent study... Conveniently, we don't even have autopsy pictures available... No, we do not have EVIDENCE of ANYTHING happening, just what we are TOLD what happened The only thing we KNOW is that Kennedy and his wife and his sister-in-law aren't around...beyond that, everything is conjecture, rumor, and disinformation... ? What are you smoking ? You know next to nothing about what I accept or believe. You seem to be accepting the version that Kennedy even made it to Martha's Vineyard, and then his plane somehow crashed. But there is no EVIDENCE of that, at least not evidence that holds up to critical analysis. There is now an account that he talked to the airport, which then raises questions regarding their silence for so long...and we are now being shown supposed radar tapes, after the initial reports told us that he was NOT tracked/recorded on radar. Obviously there are lies, the question is what version is true, if any? DID the radar tapes created Friday night? If so, then why weren't the searchers deployed in the Vineyard vacinity? If the tapes didn't exist, then we are left with the answer that these tapes were created to fit a sceanario which is being touted as 'the truth of what happened'... If you notice, I was stating your deduction was in agreement with the (then) current "official story." No more, no less. Hardly, since what I'm saying is that ALL versions of what we are being told is disinformation...and that includes the 'flash of light' story. The FACT of the matter is, we don't have any unquestionable evidence that Kennedy even made it to Martha's Vineyard...the only thing that we can state with some assurance of validity is that he took off from New Jersey around 8:30 on Friday night, last seen heading west and then northwest... And he then disappeared off the scene. ANYTHING ELSE stated is solely conjecture, mostly based on the information and disinformation being given the public by the press, who in turn are being spoonfed by 'the authorities' June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr - Laser Blinded in the Night ?
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Bill Kingsbury wrote: A reporter witnessed a 'big white flash in the sky' at the time of the crash. This is the clue... Can you -- or ANYONE -- give a citation for this assertion that ANYONE, whether a reporter or not, saw a 'big white flash in the sky at the time of the crash'... I've seen this assertion in various emails for a couple of days now, but no one ever gives the name of the reporter, what news outlet reported this, WHEN they reported, etc. I find it very suspicious...first, that a reporter would conveniently be in the area to witness this, and yet no one else in the area seems to have noticed it One would think that the Martha's Vineyard air control personnel would have taken notice of a bright flash, especially when Kennedy's plane didn't land No, the ONLY account of a witness that was reported on in the first hours, reported live on MSNBC between 10:30 and 11am EDT on Saturday morning, and also recounted in the New York Times, is of a man who was out fishing that night, who reported seeing the lights on the plane, which appeared to be flying at about 40 feet above the water; if his account is accurate, it would seem that Kennedy, if he DID nosedive as later reports spun the version of what possibly happened, he seems to have recovered, albeit at an abnormally low altitude. According to the witness, the plane was circling and approaching the Martha's Vineyard airport from a direction which the witness claimed was common for pilots who missed their first approach to the landing strip... MSNBC went on to state that this witness then said that both the lights and the sounds of the engine (which to the witness said did not sound in trouble) 'disappeared without a sound'no explosion, no blinding flash, not even the sound of a splash into the water...it was just there one second, and not there the next... Whatever THAT might imply, the fact remains that his account remains the earliest reported account -- reported in at least TWO media outlets -- of someone who WAS in a position to be an eyewitness...and his version is the exact opposite of a 'blinding flash in the sky' So I'd like some confirmation of where this 'blinding flash' version of events came from, what media outlets have reported it, and more revealing, WHO the reporter is who 'just happened' to be in the area, and who the reporter works for. Blinding by Incindiary Flash Warhead ? or Military- Laser Ocular Disintegrator ? or Montauk Particle Beam Weapon ? A kid with a laserlight keychain, fooling around? If Kennedy was blinded by either of the things you mention above, why didn't he radio the airport that he was having trouble? Or his wife or sister-in-law? When the supposed evidence is CRITICALLY analyzed, we really don't have PROOF that they even made it to Martha's Vineyard...what we DO have is the airport, claiming almost 12 hours after the search for the plane commenced, to have been in contact with him shortly before he was due to land. If this is true, why did they let the searchers roam far and wide during the first 12 hours of the search -- as you remember, Saturday morning and well into Satruday afternoon, we were being told that searchers HAD NO IDEA WHERE TO SEARCH But then suddenly the Martha's Vineyard airport 'remembers' they talked to Kennedy when he was only a few miles out from the island...why then didn't they alert the authorities to that 'fact' early on? You may also remember that most of Saturday we were told Kennedy's plane was of the type where it wouldn't record on radar, and hence there were no records of where exactly it travelled on it's way to Cape Cod...this was also mentioned as a reason searchers didn't know where exactly to look for the plane And yet suddenly we were told not only WAS the plane recorded on the MV airport's radar, but 2 others, allowing a 'triangulation' that not only pinpointed the plane -- actually, what can be said with any validity is that the radar recorded A plane, PRESUMED to be Kennedy's -- but it's supposed rate of descent (remember, the eyewitness report which is the earliest substantiated report, does NOT mention the plane in a nosedive, but flying parallel with the ocean, albeit only 40 feet up...) So the FACT remains that for at least the first 12 hours of the search on Sunday, searchers were diverted AWAY from Martha's Vineyard... Which leaves us with only two options: either the Martha's Vineyard airport is lying when it says it talked to Kennedy shortly before he told them he was going to land there; or they deliberately withheld that information for 12 hours from the search and rescue parties. Either option is 'troubling', to say the least. And now, conveniently, the bodies have been buried at sea, preempting any researchers/investigators from possibly exhuming the bodies at a later date for further investigation... The bodies are cremated --
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr -- the bodies
-Caveat Lector- The bodies are cremated -- WHOSE bodies? This is the first I've heard of cremation...I heard that they were buried at sea, I didn't hear that they were cremated...if they were cremated, there would be no reason to 'bury them at sea', altho the families may have wished to have a ceremony of scattering the ashes at sea. No, it's my understanding that the bodies were NOT cremated, and that 3 coffins were dumped overboard... Perhaps with bodies in them, perhaps not...at this point, we can only take the version we are being spoon fed...which, based on the discrepancies of what is being claimed regarding Kennedy talking to the MV airport before landing, must be taken with a grain of salt The PUBLIC has not seen the wreckage, nor have we seen the bodies...we have only been TOLD that they were found... CNN also reported yesterday afternoon that "at the family's request, NO PHOTOS WERE TAKEN OF THE BODIES DURING THE AUTOPSIES" (emphasis mine). This was allegedly to keep the pictures from being published in the tabloids or on the Internet. Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr - Laser Blinded in the Night ?
-Caveat Lector- At 08:48 AM 7-23-1999 -0400, June wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Bill Kingsbury wrote: A reporter witnessed a 'big white flash in the sky' at the time of the crash. This is the clue... Can you -- or ANYONE -- give a citation for this assertion that ANYONE, whether a reporter or not, saw a 'big white flash in the sky at the time of the crash'... I've seen this assertion in various emails for a couple of days now, but no one ever gives the name of the reporter, what news outlet reported this, WHEN they reported, etc. The reporter's name was apparently never given to the public : _ see paragraph 32, below : " A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw "big white flash in the sky" off Philbin Beach. " You could ask Vineyard Gazette : phone: 508-627-4311 mail: P.O. Box 66, Edgartown, MA 02539 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web:http://www.mvgazette.com _ the original source article : http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=95934 Hopes fade for missing Kennedy plane Sunday, 18 July 1999 2:08 (GMT) UPI Focus AQUINNAH, Mass., July 17 (UPI) - After a daylong unsuccessful search for a missing single-engine plane piloted by John F. Kennedy Jr., the National Transportation Safety Board is launching an investigation into the aircraft's disappearance. An official statement tonight says an NTSB team has been dispatched to Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts as the Coast Guard continues to coordinate "aggressive search-and-rescue activities." As daylight faded, Air Force helicopters returned to Otis Air Force Base, to resume the search Sunday morning. Hopes faded today as bits of debris from the Piper Saratoga were recovered and a piece of luggage was positively identified as belonging to Lauren Bessette, Kennedy's sister-in-law. Kennedy's wife, 33-year-old Carolyn Bessette, was also traveling with him. The luggage, along with what appeared to be an airplane tire, washed up on Philbin Beach on Martha's Vineyard, and Lauren Bessette's name was on the tag of a black suitcase, said First District Coast Guard spokesman Lt. Gary Jones. Jones said other debris -- a head rest and carpeting that appeared to be from the plane -- were found this afternoon floating in the water about 100 yards from nearby Gay Head Beach. Kennedy and the Bessette sisters were traveling from Caldwell, New Jersey, to Hyannis Port for the wedding of Mark Bailey and Rory Kennedy, the last unmarried daughter of Ethel Kennedy and the late Sen. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The event was postponed, and what should have been a joyous gathering of the clan turned into a grim vigil as members of the Kennedy family waited anxiously at their storied oceanfront compound for word on the fate of the three. An outdoor family mass was held, presided over by three Roman Catholic priests, as Mrs. Kennedy, other family members and around 275 guests gathered to pray. Among those present were Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., former U.S. Rep. Joseph Kennedy, Rory's older brother and JFK Jr.'s cousin, and U.S. Housing Secretary Andrew Cuomo, who is married to Kerry Kennedy. John Kennedy's older sister, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, was away on a rafting trip and had not planned to attend the wedding. Sen. Kennedy's son, Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., was also away in California and immediately flew back to Boston, according to media reports. Family spokesman Brian O'Connor said the family was initially hopeful that the three would be found alive. But he said the mood at the compound turned somber when debris, apparently from the plane, began washing up on the western end of Martha's Vineyard. There was no immediate comment from any of the family members. Before the effort was scaled back at sunset, Rear Adm. Richard M. Larrabee told journalists the Coast Guard was still in a search-and-rescue mode. But the dispatch of federal investigators suggests authorities are now presuming the plane has crashed. Coast Guard cutters equipped with high-powered lights will continue to search the sea south of Martha's Vineyard throughout the night. Earlier in the day, the Civil Air Patrol withdrew from the search 15 aircraft that were combing a 15-by-15-mile grid from Long Island to Martha's Vineyard after debris and luggage washed ashore on Philbin Beach. Jones said the Coast Guard was notified about the missing plane at around 3 a.m. EDT, and the search started immediately. About 15 Coast Guard and Air Force aircraft and some 150 personnel joined in the search. Kennedy, a licensed private pilot, was expected to arrive at Martha's
[CTRL] JFK JR
-Caveat Lector- (This article mentions the name of the reporter from Boston who saw the bright flash in the sky at about the same time that JFK, Jr.'s plane disappeared from radar. --SW) --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:52:40 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jamie Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] JFK JR [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] From: Jamie Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]> WorldNetDaily.com THURSDAY JULY 22 1999 Craige McMillan A convenient death "Motive causing the commission of the crime is ofttimes helpful in tracking the fugitive. Motive may be said to include the elements of gain, sex, revenge, anger, homicidal mania, and sex perversion. 'Cherchez la femme' -- 'Seek the woman' -- is an axiom that has been followed successfully in tracking criminals in many cases. Many acts of criminals before and after the commission of a crime, as well as in supplying the motive for a crime, have been done at the urge of or on account of a woman." -- Modern Criminal Investigation, by Dr. Harry Soderman and John J. O'Connell, Funk and Wagnalls, 1935, p.35. By any account, John F. Kennedy Jr. possessed the necessary name recognition -- the political capital of our day -- to mount a serious race for high-level political office. Media reports following his demise in a small plane crash indicate that he had already made "discrete inquiries" regarding that possibility. In an age devoid of popular leaders, one could safely suggest that JFK Jr. would have been an electoral "shoo-in" for any number of offices. Maybe even for the U.S. Senate seat in New York State: the subject of his discrete inquiries. Air travel has most assuredly changed the way we live. It has also changed the way we die. Nearly a dozen years ago, on July 16, 1987, a low-level CIA operative involved in arming the Nicaraguan Contras, climbed into a small plane with a Jewish man he knew as Max Weber. "I don't trust these little airplanes, I'm sorry it's, how do you say, a phobia," Weber told Terry Reed (Compromised: Clinton, Bush, and the CIA, by Terry Reed and John Cummings, S.P.I. books, New York, 1994). Mr. Reed's account of how the CIA's aircraft returning from Nicaragua began carrying drugs into Mena, Ark., is a fascinating excursion, but it's not our destination today. Yet even as Congress was revving up to impeach Ronald Reagan for the scandal that Reed asserts George Bush was running, and then-Gov. Bill Clinton skimming profits from, Max Weber offered this observation: We don't think your country has a democracy any longer. ... We think your country has had a very quiet, internal coup. Look at the evidence, it's all there (p.359). As the pair discussed that evidence, the impending death of Soviet communism, and the geo-political balance of power, Weber offered: Think about China. ... Who will replace the USSR as the power base of all of Asia if Russia collapses? China will (p.360). Their conversation at 13,000 feet was the last the two men ever had with one another. They landed safely that day. But one week after the election of President George Bush in November of 1988, Max Weber -- also known as Amiram Nir, the Israeli Prime Minister's advisor on combating terrorism -- died over Mexico in a crash aboard one of the "little airplanes" he so feared. One never knows, of course. Accidents happen. Equipment malfunctions. Pilots make mistakes. But more sinister things also happen. Explosives are sometimes planted on aircraft. Luggage can house a bomb. Instruments and fuel can be tampered with. Missiles home in on their targets. JFK Jr. radioed the airport at Martha's Vineyard at 9:39 p.m. on Friday, July 16, for his final approach. He told the control tower operator that he was 13 miles from the airport and ten miles from the coast. Triangulation would give a rough location of the aircraft. "Moments later, radar operated by the Federal Aviation Administration showed the plane went into a dive and dropped 1,200 feet in just 12 seconds," ABC news reported. "A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw a 'big white flash in the sky' off Philbin Beach," UPI reported. Visibility was eight miles, adequate for landing visually. But, as JFK Jr. himself reported, he was 10 miles from the coast -- too distant for the reporter's unaided eyesight to recognize more than a "big white flash in the sky." UPI said that "Kennedy did not file a flight plan." Like his inquiries into the U.S. Senate race in New York, it seems JFK Jr. liked to keep his whereabouts discrete. Pity, that like the American B-52 pilots who triangulated themselves for the North Vietnamese communists with their call signs and landmarks during the war, and never made it home, JFK Jr. didn't fly quite far
Re: [CTRL] JFK JR
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Steve Wingate wrote: (This article mentions the name of the reporter from Boston who saw the bright flash in the sky at about the same time that JFK, Jr.'s plane disappeared from radar. --SW) Where? I only saw reference once again to the nameless Martha's Vineyard Gazette reporter who a Boston TV station claims stated he saw a bright flash... "A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw a 'big white flash in the sky' off Philbin Beach," UPI reported. Visibility was eight miles, adequate for landing visually. But, as JFK Jr. himself reported, he was 10 miles from the coast -- too distant for the reporter's unaided eyesight to recognize more than a "big white flash in the sky." This is just a rehash of what was posted earlierand still unsubstantiated, since we are still not given the reporter's name. And as time goes on, it seems even more suspicious that we're hearing about this 3rd hand, via UPI, instead of via the reporter/Vineyard Gazette or even via WCVB-TV In a court of law this would be considered hearsay, and so inadmissable as evidence... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr - Laser Blinded in the Night ?
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Bill Kingsbury wrote: I've seen this assertion in various emails for a couple of days now, but no one ever gives the name of the reporter, what news outlet reported this, WHEN they reported, etc. The reporter's name was apparently never given to the public : [snip] You could ask Vineyard Gazette : phone: 508-627-4311 mail: P.O. Box 66, Edgartown, MA 02539 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web:http://www.mvgazette.com _I_ am not the one disseminating hearsay as gospel truth. It should be those who are desseminating this story regarding the supposed flash seen by the supposed reporter who should be calling the Gazette to find out the name of this reporter, and perhaps get a FIRST HAND account of what he claims he saw, instead of depending on 3rd hand hearsay that would be inadmissable as evidence in a court of law Jamie Gaspar, spokesman for Martha's Vineyard Airport, told UPI that "someone was at the airport to pick up the passengers on the plane, but it never arrived." Again, why wasn't the alert raised THEN? I find it very suspicious...first, that a reporter would conveniently be in the area to witness this, and yet no one else in the area seems to have noticed it "Reportedly," at least four other people also DID notice; they "SAW and HEARD an explosion in the air" : Reported by whom? Why don't we have the NAMES of these 4 people? Why haven't we seen them on the media, giving their version of what they claim to have seen... Again, these supposed witnesses are only told about in what can be described as second-hand, if not third-hand, accounts -- legally, hearsay, and would be inadmissable as evidence in a court of law. Several local news reports Where we are conveniently never given the names of these media outlets... initially (reported) that several people Who are conveniently never named. Hearsay. One would think that the Martha's Vineyard air control personnel would have taken notice of a bright flash, especially when Kennedy's plane didn't land The airport may not be near that part of the island... The island's not all that big...and one would think the air control tower would have a 360 degree view Also doesn't explain why the one verified witness, who HAS been named (altho I don't have the New York TImes article at hand), saw no flash but DID report seeing the plane disappear without a sound... Was the fisherman near Philbin Beach, or on the other side of the island ? He apparantly was near enough to the airport to state the plane was coming from a direction commonly used by pilots who missed their first approach and circle around to make another approach...he saw the plane after it was finishing a curved direction and straightened out, and it was shortly thereafter that he says that it 'disappeared'... So one would presume he was fairly close to the airport if the plane's direction straightened out in anticipation of making a 2nd landing approach Did he specify the exact time of his sighting ? I believe he stated it was around 9:40, but the NYT article would have the details...unfortunately, I'm currently without a web browser, so I don't know if they have it online or not... But this is moot, if the report of a flash is blatant disinformation, and never happened... Did he see a different plane - and not the Kennedy plane? Without time and location specifics, this report is not useful. He was in the vacinity of the airport at the general time Kennedy was due to land. That doesn't prove that the plane he saw was Kennedy's, but his account remains the one that has the most validity, because it was reported on in the first hours of the search and rescue and his name is given in the NYT article... So his is a firsthand account, which WOULD be admissable as evidence in a court of law, while the flash of light version is inadmissable hearsay... The currently- alleged crash site, and radar results, indicate Kennedy NEVER reached the island, and therefore the reports of appearing to "circle for a second landing attempt" may possibly be either bogus, or referring to a different plane. Or perhaps the alleged crash site and radar results are what are indeed 'bogus'...after all, it took them a day and a half to come up with this radar which they're presenting to the public as 'this shows Kennedy's plane'...no, it is radar of A plane, possibly Kennedy's, possibly someone else's, possibly radar tapes created from whole cloth... What they can't explain away is that if they had these radar tapes Saturday morning, why were we being told at that time that searchers had no idea WHERE Kennedy went down, and so were conducting a search that included all of Long Island Sound, and the Atlantic south of Long Island ranging westwards back to NJ? Also, perhaps the "circling plane" was an "attack craft" (possibly a Piper Saratoga, also) -- which was
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr - Laser Blinded in the Night ?
-Caveat Lector- At 09:05 PM 7-23-1999 -0400, you wrote: Kennedy would have been disoriented -- obviously he lost control of the airplane -- Only to you. To the rest of us who are assessing what the authorities are spoon feeding the public, it is NOT obvious what exactly happened. He never "lost control of the airplane"...? Even if it was blown to bits, he did lose control of it. Also, radios can be jammed. But not selectively...jamming would have affected ALL radio communication in the area, which would have readily been noticeable to an island community. Yes. Radio frequencies can be selectively jammed. And if done from a nearby pursuit craft (as was posited), no one else would likely have noticed unless they were monitoring the same frequency. "If" there was jamming, yes, the airport WAS listening on that frequency -- but would they admit now they had heard radio jamming, after failing to report this missing plane -- OR, after having been told to "say no more" about what, in fact, they did attempt to report ? Also, "if" there was jamming, effected from a nearby pursuit craft, they could have used technology that entirely cancels a carrier frequency, thus allowing practically no signal or noise to escape... But, perhaps more likely, they could have used an "EMP cannon" to fry all of the electronics on board Kennedy's plane (including the radio and ignition). Then an "altitude or barometric pressure triggered" bomb could well have finished the job -- "if" this was an "engineered demolition." When the supposed evidence is CRITICALLY analyzed, we really don't have PROOF that they even made it to Martha's Vineyard... That's what the official reports are now indicating And you obviously unquestioningly accept everything officials tell you. You must also then believe in the unfailing validity of the Warren Commission Report... ? What are you smoking ? You know next to nothing about what I accept or believe. If you notice, I was stating your deduction was in agreement with the (then) current "official story." No more, no less. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr - Laser Blinded in the Night ?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-23 21:05:45 EDT, you write: Also, radios can be jammed. But not selectively...jamming would have affected ALL radio communication in the area, which would have readily been noticeable to an island community. Jamming is much easier when you only have to jam one frequency, even two frequencies are easy to jam, but jamming the full spectrum is extremely hard since it requires much more power, which is very expensive ... to buy a transmitter of that type and to find power for it. I have never seen a full spectrum jammer for sale, as far as I know only the military uses them. If someone was to know the transmit frequency of his radio, they could jam it by keying their transmitter and putting a 3Kc signal on it with a cheap oscillator, no one in the area would be able to distinguish what was being transmitted from the plane. Also, retuning to a new transmit frequency would take time, much more than 12 seconds. They would also be able to jam the planes receive frequency in the same manner, making it so the plane could not receive any communications without retuning to a different frequency. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK, Jr., and Dana Plato: Sir Thomas More and Moore, OK
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:538913"JFK, Jr., and Dana Plato: Sir Thomas More and Moore, OK /A - Subject: JFK, Jr., and Dana Plato: Sir Thomas More and Moore, OK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) Date: Wed, 21 July 1999 11:02 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It has been announced that JFK, Jr.'s funeral service will take place at the St. Thomas More Church in Manhattan, NY. The Catholic saint Sir Thomas More was the author of "Utopia" and was beheaded by Henry VIII on July 6, 1535. Henry VIII was the father of Elizabeth I, who was rumored to be the real mother of Sir Francis Bacon. Sir Francis Bacon wrote about a "utopia" in his work "The New Atlantis". The first man to write about the legendary "utopia" of Atlantis was the Greek philosopher Plato. The actress Dana Plato died under suspicious circumstances on Saturday, May 8, 1999, in Moore, OK, right after monster tornadoes ravaged Oklahoma on Monday, May 3. Moore, OK, a southern suburb of Oklahoma City, lies at the point where the largest tornado crossed U.S. Highway 77 on that Monday. The number 77 is the Mark of the Vengeance of Lamech (Genesis 4:23-24), and marked the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and President Kennedy's assassination in 1963. Sir Thomas More was beheaded on July 6, or 7/6: 7 + 6 = 13. Dana Plato died on May 8, or 5/8: 5 + 8 = 13. JFK, Jr. died close to the intersection of the N. 41 parallel and the W. 71 meridian. Again: 4 + 1 + 7 + 1 = 13. JFK, Jr., got married to his public wife, Carolyn Bessette, on Cumberland Island, off the coast of Georgia, close to the intersection of the N. 31 parallel and the W. 81 meridian. Again, 3 + 1 + 8 + 1 = 13. Too many "coincidences" for my taste. Carolyn, or Caroline, (JFK, Jr.'s sister's name) comes from the Germanic name Karl, meaning "freeman", as in Free Mason. Carolyn's stepfather has the surname Freeman. The name Francis, as in Francis Bacon, also means "free", as in Free Mason. Another variant of this name is Franklin, as in Masonic Brothers Benjamin Franklin and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For those who doubt that "Francis" or "Franklin" mean "free", consider that the French word for Free Mason is "Franc-Macon". What does this all mean? Simply, JFK, Jr.'s mysterious death was another ritual sacrifice to bring about a "utopia", complete the New Atlantis Conspiracy, and inaugurate the New World Order, a.k.a. the Empire of the Antichrist. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:538785"Re: JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby /A - Subject: Re: JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) Date: Wed, 21 July 1999 02:22 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Berry wrote: On 20 Jul 1999 19:26:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) ventured forth and proclaimed thusly: A sealed casket would not let any smell come out. This happened when? 1932-ish? They didn't have effective embalming measures, let alone sealed coffins. Graveyards still stank. As I wrote yesterday, the Three Monkeys "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil". As I also wrote, CLuMs destroy and/or deep-six any real evidence. The Lindberg Eaglet's father, Charles Mansson, a.k.a. Col. Charles A. Lindbergh, scattered the sacrificial victim's ashes from his airplane. Today we hear that JFK, Jr.'s body will be deep-sixed in the waters of the Atlantic. The Atlantic is the burial ground of the legendary "utopia" of Atlantis. President Kennedy's original casket was deep-sixed in the Atlantic Ocean. A part of that President's brain has been missing; it may have been buried at sea, in the waters of the Atlantic, as part of an occult ritual of the New Atlantis Conspiracy. New Atlantis, a.k.a. the U.S.A., is the major force in this world implementing the Luciferian plan for a New World Order, a.k.a. the Empire of the Antichrist. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr., and Dana Plato: Sir Thomas More and Moore, OK
-Caveat Lector- Jeepers!! Now I have to worry about what latitude I live on! Well, doesn't "the good book" claim that the world is ruled by the Prince of Darkness and his minions? Perhaps, he is spinning these dark threads of synchrony. The post mentions Sir Francis Bacon--definitely an weird reptilian character; reputed to be a pederast, occultist and some would claim the genius of his age. One of his descendants, Nathaniel Bacon, leader of the colonial Virginia rebellion, was supposed to have carried a masonic blueprint for the creation of the New World Order to America from England. According to Marie Bauer Hall, wife of noted occultist and expert on masonic lore, Manly P. Hall, the alleged blueprint for the NWO was drafted by Bacon and hid in a vault beneath Bruton Parish Church in Williamsburg. Whether there is truth or not to Hall's tale, I don't know. But I do know that Marie Bauer's book, written in the late 30's or early 40's, gives an account of the Bruton Church excavation carried out years ago, in search of the documents. On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:538913"JFK, Jr., and Dana Plato: Sir Thomas More and Moore, OK /A - Subject: JFK, Jr., and Dana Plato: Sir Thomas More and Moore, OK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) Date: Wed, 21 July 1999 11:02 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It has been announced that JFK, Jr.'s funeral service will take place at the St. Thomas More Church in Manhattan, NY. The Catholic saint Sir Thomas More was the author of "Utopia" and was beheaded by Henry VIII on July 6, 1535. Henry VIII was the father of Elizabeth I, who was rumored to be the real mother of Sir Francis Bacon. Sir Francis Bacon wrote about a "utopia" in his work "The New Atlantis". The first man to write about the legendary "utopia" of Atlantis was the Greek philosopher Plato. The actress Dana Plato died under suspicious circumstances on Saturday, May 8, 1999, in Moore, OK, right after monster tornadoes ravaged Oklahoma on Monday, May 3. Moore, OK, a southern suburb of Oklahoma City, lies at the point where the largest tornado crossed U.S. Highway 77 on that Monday. The number 77 is the Mark of the Vengeance of Lamech (Genesis 4:23-24), and marked the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and President Kennedy's assassination in 1963. Sir Thomas More was beheaded on July 6, or 7/6: 7 + 6 = 13. Dana Plato died on May 8, or 5/8: 5 + 8 = 13. JFK, Jr. died close to the intersection of the N. 41 parallel and the W. 71 meridian. Again: 4 + 1 + 7 + 1 = 13. JFK, Jr., got married to his public wife, Carolyn Bessette, on Cumberland Island, off the coast of Georgia, close to the intersection of the N. 31 parallel and the W. 81 meridian. Again, 3 + 1 + 8 + 1 = 13. Too many "coincidences" for my taste. Carolyn, or Caroline, (JFK, Jr.'s sister's name) comes from the Germanic name Karl, meaning "freeman", as in Free Mason. Carolyn's stepfather has the surname Freeman. The name Francis, as in Francis Bacon, also means "free", as in Free Mason. Another variant of this name is Franklin, as in Masonic Brothers Benjamin Franklin and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For those who doubt that "Francis" or "Franklin" mean "free", consider that the French word for Free Mason is "Franc-Macon". What does this all mean? Simply, JFK, Jr.'s mysterious death was another ritual sacrifice to bring about a "utopia", complete the New Atlantis Conspiracy, and inaugurate the New World Order, a.k.a. the Empire of the Antichrist. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:]
[CTRL] JFK Jr - Laser Blinded in the Night ?
-Caveat Lector- The plane was found with the cabin intact -- apparently it was not the target of an explosion from a bomb, etc. A reporter witnessed a 'big white flash in the sky' at the time of the crash. This is the clue... Blinding by Incindiary Flash Warhead ? or Military- Laser Ocular Disintegrator ? or Montauk Particle Beam Weapon ? The bodies are cremated -- after autopsies were performed. Were the victims' eyes intact, and examined for retinal holes, burns, etc. -- such as inflicted by a laser assault -- and if so, will the uncensored autopsy report be made public ? Please don't let an electable Kennedy drive without major eye protection... The president you save could be your own. -- excerpt from : http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_mcmillan/ 19990722_xccmc_a_convenie.shtml A convenient death Thursday, July 22, 1999 JFK Jr. radioed the airport at Martha's Vineyard at 9:39 p.m. on Friday, July 16, for his final approach. He told the control tower operator that he was 13 miles from the airport and ten miles from the coast. Triangulation would give a rough location of the aircraft. "Moments later, radar operated by the Federal Aviation Administration showed the plane went into a dive and dropped 1,200 feet in just 12 seconds," ABC news reported. "A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw a 'big white flash in the sky' off Philbin Beach," UPI reported. Visibility was eight miles, adequate for landing visually. But, as JFK Jr. himself reported , he was 10 miles from the coast -- too distant for the reporter's unaided eyesight to recognize more than a "big white flash in the sky." . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr, sacrifice for Joe's deal with the devil?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone I know suggested this as a possible theory behind the murder of JFK, Bobby, and now JFK Jr. It seems to me that Joe had some inside knowledge always working for him, like his ability to sell short before the depression and his avoidance of the law in his bootlegging. Is it possible that the children are paying for the sins of the father, in that it was required of Joe that he sacrifice his sons to the big D. or some other occultic/conspiracy/illuminati/etc. group? Just a thought. This isn't a 'theory', it's a tale spun by a tabloid columnist, parodying some classical literature. The scenario of the dead conversing with a demonic presence about their iniquities goes back in Western culture to time immemorial, from Greek Roman Persian Arab medieval Renaissance poets, on up to Mark Twain Hermann Hesse C.S.Lewis Jerry Pournelle. It isn't a 'theory', theories are testable, verifiable, falsifiable. A theory is a workable explanation supported by the preponderance of data, and speculations involving devils just don't qualify - untestable, unworkable, nonviable, no data. In fact, the vast majority of conspiracy 'theories' are better termed 'notions'. But I digress. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr, sacrifice for Joe's deal with the devil?
-Caveat Lector- Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments exodus 20:03-6 Jeffrey C Hearon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:30 PM Subject: [CTRL] JFK Jr, sacrifice for Joe's deal with the devil? -Caveat Lector- Someone I know suggested this as a possible theory behind the murder of JFK, Bobby, and now JFK Jr. It seems to me that Joe had some inside knowledge always working for him, like his ability to sell short before the depression and his avoidance of the law in his bootlegging. Is it possible that the children are paying for the sins of the father, in that it was required of Joe that he sacrifice his sons to the big D. or some other occultic/conspiracy/illuminati/etc. group? Just a thought. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK Jr. Steamshovel GEORGE Magazine . . .
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/ A HREF="http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/"Steamshovel!/A - Last update: July 20, 1999 Next month: Acharya S speaks at the International UFO Congress in Mesquite, NV, on August 15th. Call 303-543-8667. In acknowledgement of the news about JFK Jr., Steamshovel points its readers to the interviews GEORGE Magazine conducted with conspiracy-type writers, including publisher Kenn Thomas. GEORGE nixed the interview feature in the eleventh hour, favoring a "Conspiracy Theory" issue with warmed over rumors about Tupac Shakur. Writer Jonathan Vankin eventually included them with his now apparently defunct website, conspire.com. Although conspire.com no longer offers anything new, the GEORGE feature remains at its site. Readers also are directed to Konformist editor Rob Sterling's remarks about JFK Jr. and the GEORGE feature at the Konformist site. = from: http://www.conspire.com/george.html A HREF="http://www.conspire.com/george.html"Conspire.Com | Giants of Our Industry /A - Conspire.Com Dept. of Last Laughs The Story George Magazine Didnt Want You to See Though Only God (and JFK, Jr.) Knows Why Editors Note: Weve always had a lot of respect for George Magazine. No kidding. We have. Its the political magazine for people who dont understand politics -- the New Republic for the Entertainment Tonight generation. Georges unrelenting effort to strip any and all discussion of political issues from its coverage of politics, rendering the entire democratic process a superficial joke, all in the interest of turning a quick buck, gives us here at Conspire.Com a goal we can really aspire to. Thats why when the ad-page-challenged, JFK, Jr.-managed, Big Apple-based mag approached 70 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time co-author Jonathan Vankin last year, and asked if he would like to write a 1,200-word piece profiling some of his favorite conspiracy guys, well, we just picked up that phone and yelped, Youre darn tootin! (Actually, thats not exactly the way we put it, but weve been waiting for four years to use the phrase Youre darn tootin! somewhere on this Godforsaken, pain-in-the-butt Web site.) The article was slated to run last October in a special Conspiracy Issue of George (now theres a frightening concept). So what the heck happened? Well, doggone if we kin figger it out. After numerous rewrites, edits, the full fact-checking process and even a photo shoot -- Georges top brass suddenly gunned down the piece at the last minute. So, as a service to our devoted and beloved fans, we below present the original, unexpurgated, untampered-with-by-bigshot-New-York-editors 1200 words of deathless prose, originally titled Movers and Shakers of the Conspiracy Industry. Thats their title, not ours. Were still trying to figure out what the Conspiracy Industry is. © 1999 by Jonathan Vankin Princes of Paranoia -- Exposed! ALEX CONSTANTINE Author: Psychic Dictatorship in the USA, Virtual Government. AGE: About 40 WHY HES INTO CONSPIRACY: Covered Satanic cult murder trial. I discovered there were Star Wars connections and Reagan White House connections to this group. CLASSIFIED DOSSIER: The pseudonymous Constantine weaves O.J. Simpson, UFO abductions, the L.A. riots, River Phoenix and Satanic cults into a web CIA-Nazi-military mind control operations -- of which Constantine himself was (he says) a target. The CIA used me in three years of experimentation. I was electronically bombarded. I was victimized. Its very advanced technology. Okay. But wont people who read this think hes a nut? Good! Theyre going to deny to the end, so let them deny. One or two people will read this and understand. That will be their inspiration. JIM KEITH AGE: 48 Author: 10 conspiracy tomes since 1992. WHY HES INTO CONSPIRACY: A profound alienation from human culture. CLASSIFIED DOSSIER: The irrepressible Keith is just as likely to service the insatiable UFO crowd with tracts like Saucers of the Illuminati as to hammer home the militia-friendly themes of his Black Helicopters Over America and OK Bomb. (The latter probes such possibilities as whether Timothy McVeigh was a mind-controlled intelligence agency asset. ) I find the militia guys a lot less threatening than the establishment, says Keith, who isnt willing to specify how much conspiracy theory he finds credible. Its a touchy subject because if presented wrong it makes me look like a complete hypocrite. In fact, Im only a partial hypocrite. RICHARD METZGER AGE: 32 Founder: DisInformation web site. WHY HES INTO CONSPIRACY: Worked on 1992 Jerry Brown presidential campaign. It wasnt that I saw a conspiracy not to give him air time. But there would be 10,000 people at his rallies. And the media would report that there were, like, four people. Very odd. CLASSIFIED DOSSIER: Metzgers site delivers hidden information that seldom seems to slip through the cracks
[CTRL] JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:538118"JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby /A - Subject: JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) Date: Mon, 19 July 1999 01:10 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Over the last two days I have written about the connections of the Kennedy name to the auspicious date July 16, the anniversary of the launch of Apollo 11, the first manned mission to land on the moon (1969), and the anniversary of the massacre of the Czar and his family in Ekaterinburg (1918). Another set of analogies and "coincidences" will be examined today. President Kennedy was closely associated with the effort to send men to the moon by the end of the decade of the 1960s. Similarly, Charles A. Lindbergh was the first man to fly solo from America to continental Europe. Lindbergh landed in Paris on May 21, 1927, the first day of Gemini, the Twins, the birth sign of the Antichrist. Lindbergh was later married to Anne Morrow, daughter of a Wall Street wheeler-dealer and partner of the infamous CLuM J. P. Morgan. (President Kennedy was the son of the Wall Street manipulator and underworld trafficker, CLuM Brother Joseph P. Kennedy.) They had a son named after his famous father, Charles A. Lindbergh, Jr., an analogy to the name of JFK, Jr. On March 1, 1932, the Lindbergh baby disappeared from the family's house in New Jersey, just like JFK, Jr., who took off from a New Jersey airport. The kidnaper(s) contacted the family through secret, coded messages and led them to believe that the baby had been taken to a boat off the coast of Martha's Vineyard. Their note stated: "The boy is on Boad Nelly. It is a small boad 28 feet long. Two person are on the Boad. The are innocent. you will find the Boad between Horseneck Beach and gay Head near Elizabeth Island." (This note was written in a "German-style accent".) Horseneck Beach is a town on the Massachusetts mainland. Gay Head is the southwestern tip of the island of Martha's Vineyard where the JFK, Jr., plane flotsam washed ashore. As CLuM luck would have it, the New Jersey airport JFK, Jr., used is met at its southwestern corner by Horseneck Rd. The reference to the Elizabeth Islands (between Martha's Vineyard and the mainland) is also significant since St. Elizabeth was the mother of St. John the Baptist, a "patron saint" of Masonry. Moreover, Queen Elizabeth I is the rumored "virgin mother" of Sir Francis Bacon, the author of the "New Atlantis". The Lindbergh baby was eventually found dead in New Jersey in a field, some two miles away from the house. On Colonel Lindbergh's instructions the badly decomposed body was cremated, leaving no lasting evidence. This happened on Friday, the 13th day of May, 1932, close to the fifth anniversary of the father's flight to Paris. The two men who found the body were named William Allen and Orville Wilson, a double occurrence of the CLuM monicker "William", i.e., "Levi" in reverse. After two and a half years the police arrested a German immigrant, Bruno Richard Hauptmann, a carpenter who used to live in The Bronx, N.Y. The arrest took place around the time of the Full Moon of Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, in 1934. On the Day of Atonement a scape goat is made to symbolically carry away the sins of the people. Even though the police used to think that more than just one person were involved in the kidnapping, after Hauptmann's arrest, he was considered as the "lone" perpetrator. "Hauptmann" means "headman" in German, indicating the CLuM fascination with heads and skulls, such as the Baphomet skull. Eventually Hauptmann was convicted and sentenced to death in New Jersey. He is said to have been executed on April 3, 1936, by electrocution, just before the Full Moon of Passover, the feast of the sacrifice of innocent lambs. (March 1, 1932, the day of the kidnapping, falls at the time of Purim, a feast celebrating a slaughter of Goyim.) Hauptmann maintained his innocence to the end, even though he was offered a commutation of his death sentence in exchange for information on his collaborators. However, it is easy to see that an execution by electrocution can be easily faked. The same is true of an execution by lethal injection, the mode that is faced by CLuM Conspirator Timothy "Macbeth" McVeigh. In charge of the police investigation in New Jersey was Col. Norman Schwarzkopf, father of "Storming" Norman Schwarzkopf, the general in charge of Desert Scam back in 1990-91. Such a small world! "Schwarzkopf" means "black head" in German, as opposed to "Weisshaupt", "white head", as in "Adam Weisshaupt", the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati back on May Day 1776. More CLuM skulls and bones in their closets. Some more hoofprints: *** Close to Gay Head of Martha's Vineyard is another tiny island
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. Disappearance/More Additions (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- An earlier report from about 3 PM on Saturday by Shephard Smith of FOX-TV named one of these witnesses--in fact a guest at the scheduled wedding JFK. Jr. was due to attend AND a friend of Smith's producer at Fox. In later reports Smith no longer named this witness and referred to such accounts as "unconfirmed", which is how the rest of the media is referring to them. Don't expect these reports of an explosion over the ocean to ever be confirmed either, by the Clinton/NWO bunch. No doubt JFK Jr. was taken out. Perhaps, if there even WAS an explosion...MSNBC reported Saturday MORNING that a fisherman out on the water in the proximity of the Martha's Vineyard airport reported seeing a private plane circling and approaching the airport from a direction the fisherman described as that used by pilots who missed the first approach to the runway...this at about 9:45 Friday night, just about the time Kennedy should have been arriving... According to the MSNBC report -- and they made it a point to stress this part -- the fisherman claimed the aircraft was only about 40 feet above the water, and then 'disappeared without a sound'...they stressed the fact that the fisherman stated there was NO explosion, no sound of the aircraft hitting the water, just that suddenly it disappeared from this guy's view, without a sound... (perhaps the lights and engine were cut?) The reports regarding an 'explosion' didn't start to surface until late Saturday afternoon...which is somewhat suspicious, considering all the prior hours spent speculating about not only WHAT had happened, but WHERE...one would think these 'explosion' ear-witnesses would have been flooding forward on Saturday morning, if only to allow the searchers to narrow the area they were searching...especially if an ear-witness was such a good friend of the Kennedys as to have been an invited guest to the wedding scheduled on Saturday... I find it highly suspicious that it seems the earliest confirmed ear-witness to the supposed explosion just happened to be a good friend of the FOX news producer... And yet, no one can explain why, if this 'explosion' happened so close to shore that all these people supposedly heard it, why then can't searchers find any EVIDENCE in the area? Not even an oil slick... I think this explosion story is disinformation... June *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK, Jr -- past news articles
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:537704"JFK, Jr -- past news articles X-No-Archive: yes /A - Subject: JFK, Jr -- past news articles X-No-Archive: yes From: "SKH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 18 July 1999 11:57 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-No-Archive: yes -- anything about Kennedy's latest financial and political activities? On doing a www search: March 10, 1999 D'Amato Pushing Hunk for Mayor "John F. Kennedy Jr. appears to have a new political patron Alfonse D'Amato..." "D'Amato said he was looking forward to making "mischief" with his column..." "The unlikely duo came together yesterday to announce that D'Amato is joining Kennedy's George magazine as a political advice columnist in May Asked to offer some advice to potential New York senatorial candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton, he said, "Dear Hillary . . . Running for the Senate shouldn't be about advancing your name for history. It should be to advance the interest of the people of our state and our nation." "He warned she would face a "mighty fight" from the Republicans. "This contest will be the Super Bowl of all Senate races," he said." http://www.nydailynews.com/1999-03-10/News_and_Views/Daily_Dish/a-22007.asp March 10, 1999 Former Sen. D'Amato to pen advice column "D'Amato, who spent 18 years in Washington before he was defeated by Democrat Chuck Schumer last year, has not exactly been a friend of the Kennedys..." "In his autobiography, ``Power Pasta and Politics,'' D'Amato said ``Kennedy's dual standards never ceased to amaze me.'' http://www.newstimes.com/archive99/mar1099/naf.htm Also, found this info on Kennedy cousin-in-law: January 1999 Banking On Andy Cuomo "HUD Secretary and rising Democratic star Andrew Cuomo wants to go places--assuming he can leave some baggage behind... " SEE ARTICLE FOR "BAGGAGE" "Young Cuomo is considered one of the Democratic Party's fastest-rising stars. He has indicated he'd like to play a major role in Al Gore's New York campaign machine in 2000, and Washington rumor holds that he's a strong contender for the second spot on a Gore ticket. More recent speculation predicts a possible run for retiring Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan's seat in 2000. The GOP opponent in that race could turn out to be none other than Alfonse D'Amato. If that's the case, you can bet the bank on one mud ball that neither candidate will be throwing." http://www.spectator.org/archives/99-01_dealey.html Also, misc. info: JFK Jr. Tries Not to Cross the Jordan John F. Kennedy Jr. has done the unthinkable: apologize to the subject of an article in his George magazine. Kennedy wrote a contrite letter to Vernon Jordan, Washington lawyer and presidential pal, telling him that two unnamed sources in the profile were completely fabricated, reports The Washington Post. http://www.nydailynews.com/archive/98_06/060998/rush0609.htm Kennedy involved in lawsuit with his sister against Barbara Streisand's brother http://mrshowbiz.go.com/archive/news/Todays_Stories/981117/kennedy111798.htm l Mum's Word On Jackie O Property Ad http://www.nydailynews.com/1999-06-25/News_and_Views/Scandal_Sheet/a-32995.a sp This all the info I could find. SKH - - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK, Jr. The King of Terror? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Remember, in Nostradamus' day "terror" meant "enlightenment." Mike From http://apokalypso.com/jfk_jr.htm JOHN F. KENNEDY, JR.: THE KING OF TERROR? In one of his rare references to a specific calendar date, Nostradamus predicts that in the seventh month of 1999, a man described as the "King of Terror" will descend from the sky: "The year 1999, seventh month, A great King of terror will come from the sky: To resurrect the great King of Angoumois, Mars to reign fortunately before and after." -- Century X, Quatrain 72 Angoumois is a French region (just north of Bordeaux) whose principal city is Angouleme. Angouleme gave its name to the dynasty of kings who ruled France during Nostradamus' lifetime. In the context of the prophet's times, therefore, "Angoumois" would describe someone belonging to the royal family. In a related Quatrain, Nostradamus envisions a lamentable event which causes the cancellation of a wedding involving a first cousin of this royal family: "Lamentable cries will come then from Angouleme, And the marriage of the first cousin will be precluded." -- Century X, Quatrain 17 Could these visions be referring to the disappearance of John F. Kennedy, Jr., the most charismatic scion of America's "royal family"? Consider the following: (a) He literally "fell from the sky" on July 16, 1999; (b) Before and after his disappearance, Mars was passing through Scorpio, one of the two astrological signs in which that planet "reigns"; and (c) He disappeared en route to the marriage of his first cousin, which was postponed in reaction to the tragedy. If JFK, Jr. is Nostradamus' "King of Angoumois", then we must anticipate (per X.72) that he will be "resurrected". This may signify that he will somehow be discovered alive after being presumed dead. The following verses seem to say as much: "... the Prince with a stump foot, Fear of enemies will make his sail bound." -- Century III, Quatrain 91 The image of the "stump foot" is particularly evocative of the cast which JFK, Jr. was wearing on his right foot when his plane crashed. Does "fear of enemies" suggest that his flight was sabotaged? And did he perhaps rig a crude sail to escape from the wreckage scene? Nostradamus also drops some clues as to when JFK, Jr. may be expected to reappear. In the Quatrain which follows the one quoted above, he says that the planet Saturn will "come back again late". Saturn does, in fact, turn back to retrograde motion on August 30th, and on October 13th it "comes back again" to its position on the date of the plane crash. Assuming that Nostradamus is referring to JFK, Jr. in these prophecies, however, why should he refer to this veritable Prince Charming as a "King of Terror", of all things? This becomes all the more puzzling if we identify the "King of Terror" with the Antichrist, as do most of Nostradamus' interpreters. Yet, oddly enough, the "resurrection" which Nostradamus foresees for JFK, Jr. does fit the scenario laid out in Chapter 13 of the Book of Revelation, where the fatally wounded Beast emerges from the sea and is miraculously revived. All of this seems to suggest that the "resurrected" JFK, Jr. will be transformed into a sinister version of his former self. It's noteworthy that the interval of his predicted reappearance takes in the solar eclipse of August 11th. Maybe this explains one of Nostradamus' most chilling prophecies: "When the eclipse of the Sun occurs, The monster will be seen in broad daylight ..." -- Century III, Quatrain 34 = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- If any one finds out if it is true he was going to run against Hillary in NY, please let us know pronto. We must watch developments closely as they changed from day to day in the Columbine incident. Amelia - Original Message - From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-17 14:57:03 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it DOES seem more than a tad coincidental that he would disappear in roughly the same area that TWA800 went down, three years to the day of that tragedy... And 30 years to the day after Chappaquiddick. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Amelia Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any one finds out if it is true he was going to run against Hillary in NY, please let us know pronto. We must watch devel- opments closely as they changed from day to day in the Columbine incident. Also watch to see if anyone manufactures 'evidence' of such a run. - Original Message - From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it DOES seem more than a tad coincidental that he would disappear in roughly the same area that TWA800 went down, three years to the day of that tragedy... And 30 years to the day after Chappaquiddick. Sorry, not "to the day": MJK died on 18 July 1969; TWA 800 blew on 17 July 1996. JFK Jr. augured-in on 16 July 1999; Close, but no cigar. Today in History for Sunday, Jul 18 In 1938, pilot Douglas Corrigan earned the nickname "Wrong Way" when he landed in Ireland instead of California after a flight from New York. In 1977, Vietnam was admitted to the United Nations. In 1969, a car driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., plunged into a pond on Chappaquiddick Island, Massachusetts, killing his passenger, Mary Jo Kopechne. In 1984, a gunman opened fire at a McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidro, Calif., killing 21 people. In 1992, youths rampaged for a second night in southwest England following the deaths of two young men on a stolen police motorcycle. In 1994, a car bombing in Buenos Aires, Argentina, killed some 100 people in or near a building that housed Jewish organizations. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Das GOAT wrote: But it DOES seem more than a tad coincidental that he would disappear in roughly the same area that TWA800 went down, three years to the day of that tragedy... And 30 years to the day after Chappaquiddick. Well actually, one day off...but close enough... When I first heard the story about the plane being missing, I wondered that perhaps in a few hours John-John would come sopping-wet into some convenience store ont he Vineyard, claiming to have just swum to shore from his downed plane...and that inside the plane would be found the body of a woman who wasn't his wife But it would seem he WAS traveling with his wife and sister-in-law... But now the current version has it that it would seem he went down relatively close to the Vineyardstrange, what with all the people they now have out there searching, both private and military, that they can't seem to find any trace of the plane in relatively shallow water... not even an oil slick My gut feeling is saying that they'll never be found...or, that if anything is 'found', it'll be at least a week or two from now, perhaps longer...and what will be found will raise more questions than it answers... Yes, there will be 3 bodies on board, but decomposed and eaten by fish enough to effectively be unrecognizable... But perhaps I'll be proven wrong, and they'll find the plane today... But I'm still wondering why he never radioed the Vineyard airport of his approach and intending to land...especially if he missed the approach and was circling around to make a 2nd attempt, as the fisherman is reported to have seen... June *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Amelia Edgeman wrote: If any one finds out if it is true he was going to run against Hillary in NY, please let us know pronto. We must watch developments closely as they changed from day to day in the Columbine incident. I heard something to the effect that he may have been considering a run for the mayor's office, but not state senator But that may have been enough, if he wasn't someone who was going to solidly endorse Clinton's bid for the senate seat...his silence regarding her, especially considering the amount of press HE would get while running for the mayor's office, could have been enough to derail her plans... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Das GOAT wrote: But it DOES seem more than a tad coincidental that he would disappear in roughly the same area that TWA800 went down, three years to the day of that tragedy... And 30 years to the day after Chappaquiddick. Well actually, one day off...but close enough... No, that's TWO days off: MJK died on 18 July 1969; TWA 800 blew on 17 July 1996. JFK Jr. augured-in on 16 July 1999; Close, but no cigar. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/17/1999 11:53:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, did he? Does anyone read George? Or hear of any articles about to come-out therein? Just now listening to Kissinger who sez he met with their Editorial Board lately...?? Why would MSNBC go to Kissinger about the tragedy? My own thought on hearing about the missing plane was, "Must have had an empty tank where a spark caused ..." Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK JR: Explosion Out to Sea from the Beach
-Caveat Lector- Listening to MSNBC, I heard a NBC employee, I think, state that he was on the Beach at 10:00 pm, near where the debris is washing-up, and heard a big explosion over the ocean? Anyone else hear this! ! *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Every Diet Has Failed! What Can I do? Click Below to "Ask Dr. Kathleen"! http://www.radiantdiet.com/cgi-bin/slim/deliver.cgi?ask-1364 *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK JR: Explosion Out to Sea from the Beach
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Lloyd Miller wrote: Listening to MSNBC, I heard a NBC employee, I think, state that he was on the Beach at 10:00 pm, near where the debris is washing-up, and heard a big explosion over the ocean? Yesterday they quoted a fisherman who was in the area on Friday night, reporting he saw a small plane circling about 40 feet over the water, making an approach the fisherman claimed was common for pilots who missed the approach on their first trythe fisherman then supposedly said the plane 'disappeared', and the MSNBC reporter made it a point to state that the fisherman stated 'without a sound'... The 'big explosion' reports only started being made late yesterday afternoon...strange, since for hours people were wondering where Kennedy may have gone down, one would think that all these people who heard an explosion the night before would have been coming forward well before late Saturday afternoon to report what they'd heard... As with TWA800, I suspect the earliest reports probably are more accurate, and what we hear reported in the media as time goes by are being 'spin doctored'... On another note -- anyone know why Bill Clinton has been 'in seclusion at Camp David' all weekend? June :-7 *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- Close enough for gummit work! AKE - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately? -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Das GOAT wrote: But it DOES seem more than a tad coincidental that he would disappear in roughly the same area that TWA800 went down, three years to the day of that tragedy... And 30 years to the day after Chappaquiddick. Well actually, one day off...but close enough... No, that's TWO days off: MJK died on 18 July 1969; TWA 800 blew on 17 July 1996. JFK Jr. augured-in on 16 July 1999; Close, but no cigar. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr.- weather radar images missing
-Caveat Lector- Bill, What evidence is there that these radar images are missing? This is the first I've heard of it and I've been camped in front of the TV and of the Internet for 2 days. Hilary -- From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] JFK Jr.- weather radar images missing Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 1:20 PM -Caveat Lector- From: NewsHawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 Subj: JFK Jr. Disappearance/Addition Regarding the disappearance of John F. Kennedy's plane and all passengers: weather radar images, which have proven useful a number of times in spotting anomalous electromagnetic/radio frequency phenomena, are missing from the archives for the eastern Long Island/Martha's Vineyard area during two critical hours during which JFK Jr.'s plane apparently crashed/disappeared. This is significant due to that fact that Kennedy's plane was most likely taken down intentionally by a hostile action, most likely using an exotic weapons system. We have noted that a particle beam weapons system is in place at the New World Order's secret underground base beneath Montauk Point, RIGHT NEAR where the plane was last caught on radar, going down. John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- Ric, Looks like Drudge just did. Seen his latest? Will forward if not already posted to list. Amelia - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately? -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Amelia Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any one finds out if it is true he was going to run against Hillary in NY, please let us know pronto. We must watch devel- opments closely as they changed from day to day in the Columbine incident. Also watch to see if anyone manufactures 'evidence' of such a run. - Original Message - From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it DOES seem more than a tad coincidental that he would disappear in roughly the same area that TWA800 went down, three years to the day of that tragedy... And 30 years to the day after Chappaquiddick. Sorry, not "to the day": MJK died on 18 July 1969; TWA 800 blew on 17 July 1996. JFK Jr. augured-in on 16 July 1999; Close, but no cigar. Today in History for Sunday, Jul 18 In 1938, pilot Douglas Corrigan earned the nickname "Wrong Way" when he landed in Ireland instead of California after a flight from New York. In 1977, Vietnam was admitted to the United Nations. In 1969, a car driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., plunged into a pond on Chappaquiddick Island, Massachusetts, killing his passenger, Mary Jo Kopechne. In 1984, a gunman opened fire at a McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidro, Calif., killing 21 people. In 1992, youths rampaged for a second night in southwest England following the deaths of two young men on a stolen police motorcycle. In 1994, a car bombing in Buenos Aires, Argentina, killed some 100 people in or near a building that housed Jewish organizations. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK Jr. Disappearance/More Additions (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- More Inconsistencies and Loose Ends re: JFK Jr. Disappearance © 1999 NewsHawk Inc. All Rights Reserved News reports have mentioned that some people saw and heard an explosion in the air over the ocean south of Martha's Vineyard towards eastern Long Island, during the period of time John F. Kennedy's plane apparently "went missing". An earlier report from about 3 PM on Saturday by Shephard Smith of FOX-TV named one of these witnesses--in fact a guest at the scheduled wedding JFK. Jr. was due to attend AND a friend of Smith's producer at Fox. In later reports Smith no longer named this witness and referred to such accounts as "unconfirmed", which is how the rest of the media is referring to them. Don't expect these reports of an explosion over the ocean to ever be confirmed either, by the Clinton/NWO bunch. No doubt JFK Jr. was taken out. It certainly doesn't sound as though Kennedy's plane had any standard mechanical problems--as such usually don't result in the plane igniting into a fireball visible and audible miles away! We've received word that Kennedy had been in fact nosing around several lingering conspiracies; having just published an article in George about the Rabin assassination in Israel and about to put together an article on the attempted assassination of George Wallace in the U.S., and the socio-political forces behind the Wallace hit. There is also an angle here of power struggles between varying families, bloodlines and factions thereof. Of course JFK Jr.'s bloodline is well-known. Indications are the Kennedys are in fact related to the Camerons--a family which has shown up repeatedly in secret society/ brotherhood circles tied to world power elements. What is of interest here is the parents of JFK Jr.'s wife. Virtually nothing is known publicly of her father; she had been raised only by her mother. This issue could be a significant factor, especially in light of the obsession the Masons/NWO/Monarchists/Clintonistas have with bloodlines and such. There has also been some speculation Carolyn was pregnant. Shades of Princess Diana--another murdered victim of this bunch of cutthroats! Furthermore, this tragedy occurred but one day from the 30th anniversary of the Chappaquidick incident involving Ted Kennedy. There have been strong indications for many years that incident was set up to neutralize Ted Kennedy as any kind of force to be reckoned with politically; due to the disgrace and so forth resulting from the Chappaquidick incident. It seems Mary Jo Kopechne's life was sacrificed by these murdering swine to keep Ted in line. This aspect regarding the Chappaquidick incident should not be overlooked in regard to the latest Kennedy tragedy, knowing the proclivity of the New World Order satanists for enacting evens laden with symbolism, hidden meanings, subliminal messages, and bizarre, cultish ritualism. Messages within messages. Add to this package the missing weather radar tapes from late Friday night and early Saturday morning for this region and you have the overwhelming stench a political assassination rising from the waters. © 1999 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc. All Rights Reserved = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- Well, did he? Does anyone read George? Or hear of any articles about to come-out therein? Just now listening to Kissinger who sez he met with their Editorial Board lately...?? Why would MSNBC go to Kissinger about the tragedy? *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Every Diet Has Failed! What Can I do? Click Below to "Ask Dr. Kathleen"! http://www.radiantdiet.com/cgi-bin/slim/deliver.cgi?ask-1364 *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JFK Jr. I've figured it out!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- Here's the scenario: 3 years ago, TWA Flight 800 went down off the coast of Martha's Vineyard--4 days before the 3 Tenors (Carreras, Domingo, Pavarotti) did a concert at Giant's Stadium. JFK Jr. was at that concert; I saw him there (this was before Carolyn Bessette). The 3 Tenors are doing a concert at Detroit's Tiger Stadium tonight, and what happens? JFK's plane disappears off the coast of Martha's Vineyard! Coincidence? Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- People who are going to write and propagate the JFK Jr. was murdered are sick. They reveal that their minds are in the gutter. They are to be disregarded. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- People who are going to write and propagate the JFK Jr. was murdered are sick. I'd say this remark is a bit premature--he hasn't been found dead OR alive at the time of this writing (2:34pm EDT). _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Aol user wrote: People who are going to write and propagate the JFK Jr. was murdered are sick. They reveal that their minds are in the gutter. They are to be disregarded. Well, since at the time I'm typing this, they aren't even officially admitting that the plane went down...let alone that Kennedy is dead... your complaint seems a tad premature... But it DOES seem more than a tad coincidental that he would disappear in roughly the same area that TWA800 went down, three years to the day of that tragedy... And it seems a tad strange that the PENTAGON within a few hours holds a press conference announcing that they are mounting a major search effort for him...after all, JRK Jr. IS just a civilian... June :-7 *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. I've figured it out!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Tenorlove wrote: Here's the scenario: 3 years ago, TWA Flight 800 went down off the coast of Martha's Vineyard-- You're a couple of hundred miles off... It went down well west of Martha's Vineyard, at approximately the midpoint and south of Long Island... The graphics they're showing on the local southern CT and NYC news indicate that they think JFK Jr's plane went down at approximately the midpoint of Long Island, but off the North Shore, in the Mattituck area...if that's the case, the plane would be in Long Island Sound, not the Atlantic... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. I've figured it out!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Linda Minor wrote: Do you mean Montauk? The Nazi haven and underground tunnels used for time travel? No, Montauk is on the far eastern tip of Long Island and in closer proximity to Martha's Vineyard than where TWA800 went down, well to the west...and where this morning they were showing where the beacon was heard that was presumed to come from JFK Jr's plane... But the latest news I heard on the radio now has a fisherman claiming to have seen a plane making an approach to the airport on Martha's Vineyard from a direction that is commonly used by pilots who have missed it on their first approach...according to this fisherman, the plane was only about 20 to 40 feet above the water and 'then disappeared'...he seems to not have heard a crash, only that the plane seemed to suddenly be 'gone'... And they say that some wreckage and the sister-in-law's luggage has washed up on a nearby beach Which raises more questions, since they said that JFK's last radio contact was 20 minutes before he was due to land at Martha's Vineyard... so if he'd made it, had tried an approach and missed, or couldn't see it -- it was quite hazy last night, and apparantly it's hard to see the approach under those conditions -- why didn't he radio for help and instructions? June *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-17 14:57:03 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it DOES seem more than a tad coincidental that he would disappear in roughly the same area that TWA800 went down, three years to the day of that tragedy... And 30 years to the day after Chappaquiddick. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?
-Caveat Lector- "Once is hapstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action." -- venerable maxim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. I've figured it out!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- Yes, I mean Montauk. And forgive the miss on the mileage, but it was still over water.and it's raining in Detroit, site of tonights Three Tenors Concert. Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
