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Here, in its well-worth-reading entirety, is the well-known and
seemingly quite prescient article published in the Atlantic Monthy in
1992, Jihad vs. McWorld.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/foreign/barberf.htm

M A R C H 1 9 9 2

The two axial principles of our age -- tribalism and globalism -- clash
at every point except one: they may both be threatening to democracy

by Benjamin R. Barber

Just beyond the horizon of current events lie two possible political
futures -- both bleak, neither democratic. The first is a
retribalization of large swaths of humankind by war and bloodshed: a
threatened Lebanonization of national states in which culture is pitted
against culture, people against people, tribe against tribe -- a Jihad
in the name of a hundred narrowly conceived faiths against every kind of
interdependence, every kind of artificial social cooperation and civic
mutuality. The second is being borne in on us by the onrush of economic
and ecological forces that demand integration and uniformity and that
mesmerize the world with fast music, fast computers, and fast food --
with MTV, Macintosh, and McDonald's, pressing nations into one
commercially homogenous global network: one McWorld tied together by
technology, ecology, communications, and commerce. The planet is falling
precipitantly apart AND coming reluctantly together at the very same
moment.

These two tendencies are sometimes visible in the same countries at the
same instant: thus Yugoslavia, clamoring just recently to join the New
Europe, is exploding into fragments; India is trying to live up to its
reputation as the world's largest integral democracy while powerful new
fundamentalist parties like the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata
Party, along with nationalist assassins, are imperiling its hard-won
unity. States are breaking up or joining up: the Soviet Union has
disappeared almost overnight, its parts forming new unions with one
another or with like-minded nationalities in neighboring states. The old
interwar national state based on territory and political sovereignty
looks to be a mere transitional development.

The tendencies of what I am here calling the forces of Jihad and the
forces of McWorld operate with equal strength in opposite directions,
the one driven by parochial hatreds, the other by universalizing
markets, the one re-creating ancient subnational and ethnic borders from
within, the other making national borders porous from without. They have
one thing in common: neither offers much hope to citizens looking for
practical ways to govern themselves democratically. If the global future
is to pit Jihad's centrifugal whirlwind against McWorld's centripetal
black hole, the outcome is unlikely to be democratic -- or so I will
argue.

McWorld, or the Globalization of Politics

Four imperatives make up the dynamic of McWorld: a market imperative, a
resource imperative, an information-technology imperative, and an
ecological imperative. By shrinking the world and diminishing the
salience of national borders, these imperatives have in combination
achieved a considerable victory over factiousness and particularism, and
not least of all over their most virulent traditional form --
nationalism. It is the realists who are now Europeans, the utopians who
dream nostalgically of a resurgent England or Germany, perhaps even a
resurgent Wales or Saxony. Yesterday's wishful cry for one world has
yielded to the reality of McWorld.

THE MARKET IMPERATIVE. Marxist and Leninist theories of imperialism
assumed that the quest for ever-expanding markets would in time compel
nation-based capitalist economies to push against national boundaries in
search of an international economic imperium. Whatever else has happened
to the scientistic predictions of Marxism, in this domain they have
proved farsighted. All national economies are now vulnerable to the
inroads of larger, transnational markets within which trade is free,
currencies are convertible, access to banking is open, and contracts are
enforceable under law. In Europe, Asia, Africa, the South Pacific, and
the Americas such markets are eroding national sovereignty and giving
rise to entities -- international banks, trade associations,
transnational lobbies like OPEC and Greenpeace, world news services like
CNN and the BBC, and multinational corporations that increasingly lack a
meaningful national identity -- that neither reflect nor respect
nationhood as an organizing or regulative principle.

The market imperative has also reinforced the quest for international
peace and stability, requisites of an efficient international economy.
Markets are enemies of parochialism, isolation, fractiousness, war.
Market psychology attenuates the psychology of ideological and religious
cleavages and assumes a concord among producers and consumers --
categories that ill fit narrowly conceived national or religious
cultures. Shopping has little tolerance for blue laws, whether dictated
by

[CTRL] CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.

2001-09-16 Thread Steve

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By Jim Rarey

September 16, 2001

'What a tangled web we weave

When first we practice to deceive.

Robert Burns

CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.

This is the story of three young women who went to the nation's capital to
learn about government. What they learned may have been the cause of their
deaths. The three, Chandra Levy, Joyce Chiang and Mary Mahoney had interned
in various departments of the executive branch of the federal government. As
scandal after scandal swirled about them, they may have become privy to
information that made them dangerous to powerful people. This article is
about those scandals that likely ended up destroying the young women.

This writer, in several previous articles, has documented the odyssey of
Chandra Levy ending with her job at the Bureau of Prisons. As a result of
her duties there, the author believes she came into possession of knowledge
on one or two subjects that made her dangerous to some in Washington D.C.

The subjects were Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing and the
CIA/drug connection possibly through the controversy regarding the
whereabouts of Carlos Lehder, cofounder of the Columbian drug cartel.
Sometime after the articles were written, Chandra's interest in those
subjects was confirmed by no less a person than Gary Condit. He told a
Newsweek reporter; They talked about the upcoming executions of Oklahoma
City bomber Tim McVeigh and drug trafficker Juan Raul Garza. She seemed to
have a lot of interest in those two things, said Condit, a lot more
interest in them than I did.

The work and death of the second intern, Joyce Chiang, may very well also
tie into the McVeigh and OKC bombing tragedy.

Joyce, a graduate of Smith College interned in the office of California
Democrat Representative Howard Berman while a student. After graduation, she
worked in his office while attending law school at Georgetown University.
She became Berman's expert on immigration law and later, in 1995, took a
position as special assistant to the director of the Office of Congressional
Relations at the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).

During Timothy McVeigh's Denver trial, the immigration status of one Andreas
Strassmeir became an issue. Strassmeir was a German citizen with counter
intelligence experience in the German army who was active in the Elohim City
compound of a white supremacist group outside of Oklahoma City. According to
Carol Howe, a paid BATF informer, Strassmeir had been agitating for direct
action against government buildings. Phone records showed that McVeigh had
tried to contact Strassmeir at Elohim City a couple of weeks before the
bombing.

After the bombing, the BATF notified the INS that it wanted to detain
Strassmeir and he was put on the INS's watch list. Also, the FBI and INS had
scheduled a raid on Elohim City in February, two months before the bombing
to apprehend Strassmeir for alleged weapons and immigration violations. The
raid was abruptly canceled with no explanation to date. When Strassmeir
turned up in Germany he was taken off the INS watch list.

The McVeigh's defense team tried to introduce evidence of participation in
the bombing conspiracy by Strassmeir and Dennis Mahon through the testimony
of BATF informant Carol Howe. Special Prosecutor Beth Wilkinson flat out
lied to Judge Richard Matsch. She told the judge that Strassmeir was A mere
wisp of the wind. She said Strassmeir's only problem was that he might have
overstayed his visa. She falsely stated that the letters A and O on
Strassmeir's immigration record stood for admitted and overstayed
respectively. (See this author's article Levy/Condit Amazing Coincidences
for background on Wilkinson's role in providing cover for intelligence
agencies.)

Wilkinson also falsely told the judge that Carol Howe had been fired by the
BATF as mentally unstable and untrustworthy. She falsified the date Howe
left the service of the BATF.

Wilkinson's lies were exposed during a trial of Carol Howe. The government
had indicted her on weapons violation charges. Her BATF handler, Angela
Finley had to admit that Howe was in possession of the weapons at the
request of the BATF. She also confirmed that the BATF had given Howe a raise
from $25 a day to $400 a day and sent her back into Elohim City for further
undercover work after the date Wilkinson said she had been fired. Howe was
easily acquitted.

The INS later corrected the record on Strassmeir's immigration status
showing that A stood for diplomatic passport and O for highly qualified.
It was also discovered later that Strassmeir had applied for positions with
the DEA and CIA.

Later, an appeals court judge gave only mild criticism to

[CTRL] Nostradamus tops the best sellers


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Nostradamus tops the best sellers

God is losing ground to the doomsayers

Special report: terrorism in the US

Mark Lawson Saturday September 15, 2001 The Guardian

The events in America touch at almost every turn on technology: the
benevolent and malevolent uses of our inventions. In the central
catastrophe, one of man's proudest pieces of engineering was flown into
another. And - for every warming story of the cell-phone or email system
which allowed a call for help or reassurance to a loved one - there was
the thought that these same communications almost certainly allowed the
terrorists and their overlord to synchronise the cataclysm.

Indeed, our frequent ambiguity about scientific development may be
encapsulated in this question: is it better or worse that a person about
to die on an aeroplane is able to make a goodbye call from the sky? Now
- following events on global live television - we wait to see which of
the potential nightmares available in military technology George Bush
might call on.

And yesterday one aspect of modern technology allowed us an
extraordinary insight into the effect of these events on the American
psyche. The online bookseller amazon. com runs a best-seller list, which
is updated hourly. By yesterday evening, three of the top five titles
were about or by the celebrated doomsayer Nostradumus, with The Complete
Prophecies at number one. The other two were a history of the World
Trade Centre by an architectural writer who can never have expected the
twin towers to become history, and a volume about how to fight
terrorism. We may feel this week that this book, if it were honest,
would be short on specifics.

Amazon's ability to give an instant tally of national reading, however,
gives a new tool to cultural commentary: a sort of psychological opinion
poll. It was to be expected that, when Princess Diana died, sales of
books about her would increase but it never occurred to me that
Tuesday's war on New York would provoke a similar reaction. What, after
all, would be the subject of the books you would buy? For - unlike
earlier, much smaller rehearsals for this news story, such as the deaths
of President Kennedy and Diana - the dead were not the kind to have
biographies of them written.

But now we know from amazon that, just as they did with Diana, people
have craved, as information or souvenir, works about the central
celebrity involved: the Twin Towers. Fascinatingly, they have also in
large numbers sought to make sense of this unimaginable event in the
imagination of Nostradamus. It is a measure of the fear and derangement
now at loose quite understandably in the American mind that people can
find consolation in the idea that a 16th-century French astrologer,
writing long before aeroplanes or skyscrapers existed, somehow knew the
Manhattan holocaust was scheduled.

This widespread reading of the seer touches, though, on the more general
question of what can reassure and console at times like this. The
Americans who turn towards Nostradamus arise from an instinctively
religious society. As citizens of a largely secular culture, the British
have never comprehended the extent to which America believes itself to
be a nation blessed and directed by God but it cannot be properly
understood without this perspective.

George Bush, a born-again Christian who is reported to pray on the
telephone most days with his Bible advisers, almost certainly believes
this. For all the inflammatory rhetoric about Islam in America now,
there are without doubt those in the Bush administration who believe in
the concept of holy war from the Christian perspective. Part of the
shock to America's self-image has been a sense of divine abandonment.

The preachers in America's thousands of churches this Sunday face their
greatest intellectual challenge: explaining where God was in the skies
above the US on Tuesday. At times like this, you can see why Nostradamus
- who simply warned in universally applicable terms of disasters from
now until doom - might be an easier sell than God, who promised to care
what happened to us.

Those for whom neither God nor Nostradamus work turn for consolation to
ritual. But, however President Bush discharges his role as
commander-in-chief, there is a growing consensus that he is failing in a
crucial part of a politician's job: the crisis ceremonial. He has so far
found neither language nor body language. Improbably, after such
failures in the Diana week, Buckingham Palace has been impeccable in
this regard. Incorporating the American national anthem in the changing
of the guard was a genuinely moving touch.

Perhaps, finally, it is music which most reliably consoles. Samuel
Barber's Adagio for Strings was played yesterday in Washington Cathedral
and tonight forms part of an emergency programme at the Last Night of
the Proms. This piece has become an American equivalent of Verdi's
Requiem since Oliver Stone chose it for the soundtrack of his Vietnam
movie

[CTRL] Ahmad Shah Masood, R.I.P.

2001-09-16 Thread Nessie


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http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/breakingnews/story/0,1895,70711,00.html


15 September 05:56PM -- Singapore Time

Pakistan, Taleban blamed for Masood's death

KABUL -- Afghan opposition commander Ahmad Shah Masood died on Saturday
after a suicide  bombing plotted by Pakistan, the Taleban and alleged
terrorist Osama bin Laden, ousted president  Burhanuddin Rabbani said.

In the first official confirmation of the veteran commander's death, Mr
Rabbani described him as a 'national hero' who had martyred himself for
'jihad and resistance'.

A spokesman for Mr Rabbani said that commander Masood had died at 10.00
am (0530 GMT) on  Saturday morning in a hospital in northern
Afghanistan, after losing his last battle against injuries sustained in
Sunday's suicide bombing.

'Masood was martyred in a conspiracy involving Pakistan, the terrorist
group of Osama bin Laden and the Taleban,' Mr Rabbani said in a message
read to AFP by his spokesman, Engineer Beryalai.

-- AFP

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[CTRL] Citizen-produced coverage


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Computers and digital communications were too few and far between in
Yugoslavia for the strife in Kosovo to have been a real Internet war.

But one of the most striking things about the terrorist attacks in
Washington and New York was the outpouring of outstanding Internet
coverage from ordinary citizens.

The terrorist strikes prompted an avalanche of personal accounts,
photographs and videos of the terrible events from people on the ground.

And not only was citizen-produced coverage sometimes more accessible
than professional news organizations, it was often more compelling.

Amateur videos of the events posted on the Net are full of
heart-wrenching expressions of shock, fear and disbelief. Even if the
soundtrack is just a string of expletives, it's an emotional response
that carries the story home.

And while there were many powerful photographs of the tragedy taken by
both professional and amateur photographers, some of the most intimate
and unexpected shots came from outside the community of professionals.

Compare, for example, the clichéd photo of three firemen raising a flag
against a disturbing shot of a dazed elderly man emerging from the dust.

Of course, a lot of these amateurs aren't amateurs at all. They are
among New York's creative or media professionals ?- photographers,
designers and writers.

Written accounts of the terrorist strikes and their aftermath also
provided an intimacy that many news reports lacked.

Take, for example, an account from Usman Farman, a Muslim who fell to
the ground as one of the towers collapsed.

I was on my back, facing this massive cloud that was approaching, it
must have been 600 feet off, everything was already dark, Farman wrote.
I normally wear a pendant around my neck, inscribed with an Arabic
prayer for safety; similar to the cross. A Hasidic Jewish man came up to
me and held the pendant in his hand, and looked at it. He read the
Arabic out loud for a second.

What he said next, I will never forget. With a deep Brooklyn accent he
said, 'Brother, if you don't mind, there is a cloud of glass coming at
us, grab my hand, let's get the hell out of here.' He helped me stand
up, and we ran for what seemed like forever without looking back.

Most of the amateur content would be inaccessible, or at least hard to
find, if not for many of the Web's outstanding weblogs, which function
as portals to personal content.

Some higher-profile weblogs, Slashdot, Metafilter, Scripting News,
Kottke and SiliconValley.com, have done an excellent job of helping
funnel traffic to smaller sites, many of which have pictures, accounts,
opinions and ideas superior to anything found in the mainstream media.

And while The New York Times, the old, gray lady, was full of
bloodthirsty war-mongering, ordinary citizens gathered online to present
a wide range of opinions.

Depending on where you looked, there were measured calls for restraint,
investigation and thought before action. Of course, there was also
plenty of bloodlust, chest-thumping and stupidity, but online there was
at least a debate.

Now we're about to get deeply involved in some nasty, subtle, dangerous
politics, and the public doesn't even know who the players are, wrote
Eric Kidd to Scripting News' mail page. The press ought to stop poking
people's wounds and start educating the American public before we
encourage our leaders to do something stupid.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,46862,00.html

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Re: [CTRL] WTC - Microsoft codes

2001-09-16 Thread Damaeus


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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:31:20 -0400, RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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 If you do WTC in Wingdings, you get a celtic cross, a snowflake, and
 the 'thumbs up' sign...I'll leave the interpretation of THAT to each
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Then I guess Pat Robertson was right.  God meant for it to happen.

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[CTRL] US troops in Pakistan for assault

2001-09-16 Thread radtimes


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US troops in Pak for assault

http://www.kashmirtimes.com/world.htm

Bush in talks to prepare for military response

ISLAMABAD, Sep 15 (uni) Preparing for an assault on Afghanistan, a
contingent of US marines and the FBI
officials have landed in Pakistan for launching 'target-oriented' operation
against Saudi fugitive Osama Bin Laden, prime suspect in black Tuesday
string of attacks on the United States.

Leading Pakistani daily 'The News' reported today a contingent of the
special services group of the US marines (green seals) and the FBI
officials landed at the Islamabad International Airport at wee hours yesterday.
A military plane brought the us troops to Islamabad, who were later taken
to an unknown place, the paper said.
The airport remained closed from 0300 hrs to 0500 hrs on Friday
morning  which according to the paper was
the time of arrival of US troops.
Senior Pakistani official confirmed a military movement was going on at the
airport during its closure.
There is a normal schedule of such type of exercises, and one should not
worry about it, the official said.
The green seals are the latest version of super-trained, highly
sophisticated, armed with hitech weaponry and
aided by satellite-guided navigation commandos, who are given special and
difficult assignments.
According to the paper, it was perceived that the elite green seals would
change the mode of their action in case of missing bin laden. They would
spread across Afghanistan, sniffing on Osama's whereabouts. And in the
event of detection, they would guide the us navy aircraft in the possible
airstrikes, the paper added.
It said there were speculation that the green seals would also conduct a
quick survey of the region before an
anticipated attack on a larger scale, if, at all, required.
The green seals have conducted joint exercises with the Pakistan ssgs on
multiple occasions on the pakistani
soil since 1998, when the US first planned to hunt down Osama. These
exercises were reportedly conducted in cherat, attock with a specific view
the terrain was similar to the Afghanistan's terrain, the paper said.
United States President George W Bush was on Saturday huddled in high-level
talks with his top advisors at
Camp David to prepare military response to Tuesday's terror attacks.
The meeting with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Defence Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld and national security
adviser Condoleezza Rice followed the authorisation by the Congress to the
President to use all necessary and appropriate force in retaliation.
Bush is expected to use his regular Saturday radio address to move away
from healing touch to harsher language that educates the public about the
struggle that lies ahead.
Bush has already declared a national emergency and given the military the
authority it needs to call up 50,000
reservists. The Pentagon has said the first 35,000 reservists to be called
up - including fighter jet pilots and
crews - would be for homeland defence - to protect US cities. They will
include 13,000 airmen, 10,000 army
soldiers, 7,500 marines, 3,000 navy personnel and 2,000 coastguard troops.
Bush travelled to Camp David for Saturday's decision-making meeting after
making his first visit to New York
since the disaster. He addressed rescue workers through a loudspeaker, with
his arm around a firefighter. As
some of the crowd shouted that they could not hear, he replied: I can hear
you and the rest of the world hears
you and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.

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[CTRL] OK class, lets review

2001-09-16 Thread Nessie


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Re: [CTRL] Those Celebrating Palestinians? That was videofrom1991!!!!!!!!!!

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Those are the Adventists. Don't you ever get anything right?

So Joe Lieberman is an "Adventist"?

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[CTRL] Fwd: CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.









MEDIUM RARE
By Jim Rarey

September 16, 2001

What a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive."
Robert Burns
CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.

This is the story of three young women who went to the nations capital to 
learn about government. What they learned may have been the cause of their 
deaths. The three, Chandra Levy, Joyce Chiang and Mary Mahoney had interned in 
various departments of the executive branch of the federal government. As 
scandal after scandal swirled about them, they may have become privy to 
information that made them dangerous to powerful people. This article is about 
those scandals that likely ended up destroying the young women.
This writer, in several previous articles, has documented the odyssey of 
Chandra Levy ending with her job at the Bureau of Prisons. As a result of her 
duties there, the author believes she came into possession of knowledge on one 
or two subjects that made her dangerous to some in Washington D.C. 
The subjects were Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing and the 
CIA/drug connection possibly through the controversy regarding the whereabouts 
of Carlos Lehder, cofounder of the Columbian drug cartel. Sometime after the 
articles were written, Chandras interest in those subjects was confirmed by no 
less a person than Gary Condit. He told a Newsweek reporter; "They 
talked about the upcoming executions of Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh and 
drug trafficker Juan Raul Garza. "She seemed to have a lot of interest in those 
two things," said Condit, "a lot more interest in them than I did." 

The work and death of the second intern, Joyce Chiang, may very well also tie 
into the McVeigh and OKC bombing tragedy.
Joyce, a graduate of Smith College interned in the office of California 
Democrat Representative Howard Berman while a student. After graduation, she 
worked in his office while attending law school at Georgetown University. She 
became Bermans expert on immigration law and later, in 1995, took a position as 
special assistant to the director of the Office of Congressional Relations at 
the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
During Timothy McVeighs Denver trial, the immigration status of one Andreas 
Strassmeir became an issue. Strassmeir was a German citizen with counter 
intelligence experience in the German army who was active in the Elohim City 
compound of a white supremacist group outside of Oklahoma City. According to 
Carol Howe, a paid BATF informer, Strassmeir had been agitating for direct 
action against government buildings. Phone records showed that McVeigh had tried 
to contact Strassmeir at Elohim City a couple of weeks before the bombing.
After the bombing, the BATF notified the INS that it wanted to detain 
Strassmeir and he was put on the INSs watch list. Also, the FBI and INS had 
scheduled a raid on Elohim City in February, two months before the bombing to 
apprehend Strassmeir for alleged weapons and immigration violations. The raid 
was abruptly canceled with no explanation to date. When Strassmeir turned up in 
Germany he was taken off the INS watch list.
The McVeighs defense team tried to introduce evidence of participation in 
the bombing conspiracy by Strassmeir and Dennis Mahon through the testimony of 
BATF informant Carol Howe. Special Prosecutor Beth Wilkinson flat out lied to 
Judge Richard Matsch. She told the judge that Strassmeir was "A mere wisp of the 
wind." She said Strassmeirs only problem was that he might have overstayed his 
visa. She falsely stated that the letters "A" and "O" on Strassmeirs 
immigration record stood for "admitted" and "overstayed" respectively. (See this 
authors article "Levy/Condit Amazing Coincidences" for background on 
Wilkinsons role in providing cover for intelligence agencies.)
Wilkinson also falsely told the judge that Carol Howe had been fired by the 
BATF as mentally unstable and untrustworthy. She falsified the date Howe left 
the service of the BATF.
Wilkinsons lies were exposed during a trial of Carol Howe. The government 
had indicted her on weapons violation charges. Her BATF handler, Angela Finley 
had to admit that Howe was in possession of the weapons at the request of the 
BATF. She also confirmed that the BATF had given Howe a raise from $25 a day to 
$400 a day and sent her back into Elohim City for further undercover work after 
the date Wilkinson said she had been fired. Howe was easily acquitted.
The INS later corrected the record on Strassmeirs immigration status showing 
that "A" stood for diplomatic passport and "O" for highly qualified. It was also 
discovered later that Strassmeir had applied for positions with the DEA and 
CIA.
Later, an appeals court judge gave only mild criticism to Judge Matsch for 
accepting the word of government prosecutors when contradicted by defense 
records. Matsch himself has an interesting background.
Judge Matsch was in military counter intelligence during the Korean 
"conflict." In 1987 he

[CTRL] CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P. (fwd)


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I'm going to go out on a limb -- what the hey?  This IS a conspiracy
THEORY list...

So here goes...what if, if we accept that at least Levy and Chiang were
'taken out' for what they knew, what prompted their murders wasn't
anything related to McVeigh or South American drug lords or Chinese
immigration scandals, but instead was knowledge regarding what has
happened this week?

Bear with me here -- Levy may have indeed uncovered something fishy
regarding McVeigh and people he associated with, but what if that
information was in regards to a bigger network he was involved with, a
network which is still in existence and perhaps had a hand in bringing
about the terrorist events of this week.  Also keep in mind that in
regards to anything to do with drug traffiking, that bin Laden is said to
be very much involved in it, and indeed Afghan itself has been a major
supplier of opium (although it is said that the Taliban has cracked down
on this trade).

And perhaps Chiang's murder isn't related to any supposed Chinese
immigration scandal, but perhaps rather that she uncovered something
highly questionable regarding certain men of Middle Eastern background,
many of whom either are associated with known terrorists, or have
actually been linked to certain acts of terrorism, being able to obtain
passports, etc., and freely admitted to the U.S. so that they could start
attending U.S. flight schools.

It has been reported this week that some of the hijackers on the 4 planes
that crashed were known terrorists or associates of known terrorists, and
should never have been admitted to the U.S.  So one has to wonder just
how, and why, they were able to be admitted.  And keep in mind that they
have apparantly been working on this for at least the past 5 years (I
suspect that it actually started being planned right after the 1993
attack on the WTC failed), during the Clinton Administration...so did
Chiang uncover a network that was helping these terrorists?


June

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Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:19:39 -0700
From: John Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

By Jim Rarey
September 16, 2001
What a tangled web we weav
When first we practice to deceive.
Robert Burns

CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.

This is the story of three young women who went to the nations capital
to learn about government. What they learned may have been the cause of
their deaths. The three, Chandra Levy, Joyce Chiang and Mary Mahoney had
interned in various departments of the executive branch of the federal
government. As scandal after scandal swirled about them, they may have
become privy to information that made them dangerous to powerful people.
This article is about those scandals that likely ended up destroying the
young women.

This writer, in several previous articles, has documented the odyssey
of Chandra Levy ending with her job at the Bureau of Prisons. As a result
of her duties there, the author believes she came into possession of knowledge
on one or two subjects that made her dangerous to some in Washington D.C.

The subjects were Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing and
the CIA/drug connection possibly through the controversy regarding the
whereabouts of Carlos Lehder, cofounder of the Columbian drug cartel. Sometime
after the articles were written, Chandras interest in those subjects was
confirmed by no less a person than Gary Condit. He told a Newsweek reporter;
They talked about the upcoming executions of Oklahoma City bomber Tim
McVeigh and drug trafficker Juan Raul Garza. She seemed to have a lot
of interest in those two things, said Condit, a lot more interest in
them than I did.

The work and death of the second intern, Joyce Chiang, may very well
also tie into the McVeigh and OKC bombing tragedy.

Joyce, a graduate of Smith College interned in the office of California
Democrat Representative Howard Berman while a student. After graduation,
she worked in his office while attending law school at Georgetown University.
She became Bermans expert on immigration law and later, in 1995, took
a position as special assistant to the director of the Office of Congressional
Relations at the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).

During Timothy McVeighs Denver trial, the immigration status of on
Andreas Strassmeir became an issue. Strassmeir was a German citizen with
counter intelligence experience in the German army who was active in the
Elohim City compound of a white supremacist group outside of Oklahoma City.
According to Carol Howe, a paid BATF informer, Strassmeir had been agitating
for direct action against government buildings. Phone records showed that
McVeigh had tried to contact Strassmeir at Elohim City a couple of weeks
before the bombing.

After the bombing, the BATF notified the INS that it wanted to detain
Strassmeir and he was put on the INSs watch list. Also, the FBI and INS
had scheduled a raid on Elohim City in February, two months before the
bombing to apprehend

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Softwar News

2001-09-16 Thread tnohava


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 In a message dated 9/15/01 9:00:22 AM, you wrote:

 
 What did Clinton do about the attack on the USS Cole...NOTHING!

 
 Yet, the CIA missed his
 attack on the USS Cole.

 So what has Bush done? Bush he got himself declared president months ago?


I think your question should be What is he doing? DUH!

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[CTRL] Why the Bush administration wants war (fwd)


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Assalamu'alaikum

Why the Bush administration wants war

Statement of the WSWS Editorial Board

14 September 2001

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/war-s14_prn.shtml

In the midst of the hysterical war mongering of the US government and a
state-controlled media that knows no shame, it is more than ever necessary
to retain not only ones composure, but also ones ability to think,
analyze, and reason. It is surely appropriate to mourn the terrible loss
of life on September 11. But sympathy for the victims, their families and
friends should not blind anyone to the fact that powerful sections of the
US ruling elite view this tragedy as a welcome opportunity to implement a
militaristic agenda that has been in the works for more than a decade.

Modern wars require a pretext, a casus belli that can be packaged to the
public as a sufficient justification for the resort to arms. Every major
war in which the United States has been involved since its emergence as an
imperialist world powerfrom the Spanish-American War of 1898 to the Balkan
War of 1999has required a catalytic event that inflamed public opinion.

But whatever the nature of such trigger events, they never proved, in the
light of sober historical analysis, to be the real cause of the wars that
followed. Rather, the actual decision to go to warwhile facilitated by the
change in public opinion produced by the casus belliflowed in each
instance from more essential considerations rooted in the strategic
political and economic interests of the ruling elite.

War, said von Clausewitz in his oft-quoted aphorism, is the continuation
of politics by other means. This means, in essence, that war is a means by
which governments seek to secure political ends they could not achieve
peacefully. There is no reason to believe that this profound truth does
not apply to the events that are now unfolding in the aftermath of
Tuesdays hijackings and bombings.

The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have been seized on
as an opportunity to implement a far-reaching political agenda for which
the most right-wing elements in the ruling elite have been clamoring for
years. Within a day of the attack, before any light had been shed on the
source of the assault or the dimensions of the plot, the government and
the media had launched a coordinated campaign to declare that America was
at war and the American people had to accept all the consequences of
wartime existence.

The policies that are now being advancedan open-ended expansion of US
military action abroad and a crackdown on dissent at homehave long been in
preparation. The US ruling elite has been hampered in implementing such
policies by the lack of any significant support within the American
population and resistance from its imperialist rivals in Europe and Asia.

Now the Bush administration has decided to exploit the public mood of
shock and revulsion over the events of September 11 to advance the global
economic and strategic aims of American imperialism. He has the full
support of a debased media and a Democratic Party that is more than happy
to end any pretense of opposition to the Republican right.

On Thursday Bush all but admitted as much, declaring that the atrocity
carried out two days before had provided an opportunity to wage war
against terrorism. He went on to say that the conduct of this war would be
the focus of his entire administration. Such a declaration of unabashed
militarism would have been unthinkable prior to September 11. But the
assault on the World Trade Center had, in the parlance of imperialist real
politik, created new facts.

Without having begun to seriously investigate, let alone explain, the very
strange circumstances surrounding the terrorist attacks on New York and
Washington, the Bush administration and the media have declared that
all-out war is the only possible response to these events. This is before
the government has even established the political identity of the
terrorists, or answered troubling questions about how such an elaborate
plotapparently involving dozens of conspirators operating within the
United Statescould have gone completely undetected by the FBI, CIA and
associated intelligence agencies.

Nor have the Federal Aviation Administration, the Air Force or the FBI
explained the failure to issue an alert or attempt to intercept the
hijacked airliners as they swerved off course and made for the nerve
centers of the US financial and military establishment.

For all the claims of sorrow and sympathy, there could not have been a
more timely or fortuitous event for the Bush administration than the
attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. When George W. Bush
awoke on September 11, he presided over an administration in deep crisis.
Having come to power on the basis of fraud and the suppression of votes,
his government was seen by millions both in the US and around the world as
illegitimate.

The very narrow social base of

[CTRL] Some Foresee a Sea Change in Attitudes on Freedoms (fwd)


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Assalamu'alaikum,

Some Foresee a Sea Change in Attitudes on Freedoms

By ROBIN TONER

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/15/national/15CIVI.html?todaysheadlines

WASHINGTON - The political pressure to do something  anything  to
ensure that there is never a repeat of this week's terrorist attacks is
immense on Capitol Hill. And civil liberties advocates are watching with
quiet concern.

Across the political spectrum, lawmakers are arguing that the United
States has entered a new and more dangerous era that demands heightened
security measures, including armed guards on commercial airliners and
greater surveillance powers for federal agents.

Senator Trent Lott, the Republican leader, declared the day after the
attacks: When you are at war, civil liberties are treated differently. We
cannot let what happened yesterday happen in the future.

The attitude shift is not confined to conservative Republicans.
Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, said, The general
assumption in this country is freedom and individual privacy. But he
added, When conditions turn adverse, you respond to them.

In his case, Mr. Frank said, I think I will be more supportive of more
freedom for electronic surveillance than I was before, and I think more of
an armed presence on airplanes.

Civil liberties groups, while initially muted as the nation grieved, were
just beginning to voice their concerns today.

It's very important at a time of crisis to reaffirm national principles,
national ideals, said Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy
Information Center. I certainly understand the sense of frustration and
tragedy  my own family has been touched by what's happened this week  but
it would be an enormous cost to severely limit American freedoms.

Some advocates were dismayed by a proposal the Senate approved on Thursday
night that would, among other things, make it easier for federal law
enforcement to wiretap computers.

Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona, who is a member of the Senate
Intelligence Committee, declared: We are in a race to the finish line
with agents of terror. Will we enhance our security and defenses before
they are able to strike again?

But Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the American Civil Liberties
Union, said today, This amendment proposes significant and dangerous
changes to our wiretapping laws and should not have been adopted literally
in the middle of the night without debate or scrutiny.

Civil liberties groups are also concerned about ideas like expanding use
of face-recognition technology, which allows security cameras tied to
computers to search a crowd for criminals.

Representative Martin T. Meehan, Democrat of Massachusetts, said: I don't
think we've done a good enough job in this country utilizing the
technology available, like facial recognition technology. We need to make
greater investments there.

Mr. Meehan, who was interviewed while the Capitol was being evacuated on
Thursday night, also felt that the nation's attitudes had fundamentally
changed after the attacks. Given this unspeakable act, Americans will
tolerate some restraint on their liberties for the sake of security, he
said.

And polling suggests that they are more than willing to make that
tradeoff.

With many of these proposals, like face-recognition systems, we have to
really reflect on how much we value privacy, said Walter Dellinger, who
served as acting solicitor general in the Clinton administration.

With terrorism, our only defense might be infiltration and surveillance,
Mr. Dellinger said, so we're going to have to choose between security and
privacy.

To monitor such proposals from both Congress and the administration in the
coming months, a new coalition of civil rights, civil liberties, religious
and other organizations is beginning to form, advocates said. Already,
such groups were sounding the alarm about the possibility of a backlash
and discrimination against Arab-Americans.

In part, such fears are a reaction to history.

We know what happened post- Pearl Harbor; we know what happens when you
have these national security situations, said Ralph Neas, president of
People for the American Way, a liberal rights group, recalling the wartime
relocation and internment of Japanese- Americans after the 1941 attack.
Many times, Mr. Neas said, there are overreactions, not based on fact
or careful analysis, that lead to a violation of the Constitution.



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[CTRL] The Truth about Bin Laden (fwd)

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:23:15 -0400
From: Bill Friend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Palestine Diary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PalestineDiary] The Independent UK - The Truth about Bin Laden

This article in Sunday's Independent, counters much of the hype that the
corporate media has been subjecting the public to recently on the world's
latest boogeyman.

Osama bin Laden: The truth about the world's most wanted man
The truth about the prime suspect for the world's worst terrorist atrocity
is shrouded in myth and misinformation. But Chris Blackhurst has gained
unprecedented access to private dossiers, friends and family to reveal the
real Osama bin Laden
16 September 2001
Osama bin Laden has never received funding from the US Central Intelligence
Agency and does not have a huge fortune, say sources close to the fugitive
terrorist leader.

An Independent on Sunday investigation has gained unprecedented access to an
exhaustive dossier on the life of the world's most wanted man. Including
material supplied anonymously by a bin Laden relative and fellow Saudi
dissidents, it paints a remarkable picture of the suspected instigator of
last week's carnage, countering the widely accepted notion that he accepted
aid from the CIA. It also suggests that far from being able to draw upon a
$300m fortune, a claim made regularly in the Western press, his wealth
amounts to no more than a few million dollars.

Mr bin Laden has survived numerous assassination and kidnap attempts,
achieving almost mythical status among his militant Muslim supporters. They
do not believe his mountain hideaway will be penetrated, and they point to a
secret planned raid by US special forces in 1997 which had to be aborted.
This and a series of other incidents have contributed towards Mr bin Laden
being seen by his followers as a virtual superman.

It was not always so. Like other figures who went on to become monsters,
much of his life was relatively carefree and mundane. Osama, or to give him
his family spelling, Ussama, was born in 1957, the seventh son among 54
children (an incredible tally in Western eyes but not in the Muslim world
where more than one wife is common). In all, his father had 30 wives. His
mother was Syrian, his father a South Yemeni. Mohammed Awad, his father,
emigrated to Saudi Arabia around 1930. He was poor and worked as a porter in
Jeddah. By the time he died in 1970, he was the owner of the biggest
construction company in the Saudi kingdom. Mohammed made his big break by
tendering to build palaces for King Saud at much lower rates than his
rivals. He became close to the royal family, especially Faisal. In the
Saud-Faisal power struggle in the 1960s he persuaded Saud to stand down in
favour of Faisal.

When Saud went, the government coffers were bare and Mr bin Laden paid the
whole country's civil servants' wages for six months. Such support did not
go unrewarded: he was made minister of public works and all projects were to
go to Mohammed's firm. According to members of the bin Laden family, their
father was a devoted Muslim; not crazily so, just a regular worshipper. He
was also humble, despite his wealth, keeping his old bag from his days as a
porter as a reminder of where he had come from. Bin Laden senior was a tough
character, ordering his children to follow a special daily regime he had
devised for them. From an early age, they were expected to behave
confidently and politely. Several of the children, though not Osama, were
educated in more Western Arab countries such as Egypt, and travelled widely.

Osama's father died when he was 13. Four years later he married a Syrian
girl who was also a distant member of his family. Today he has four wives.
He was religious but, like his father, not especially so. At school and
university he joined the Muslim Brotherhood. Again, this was not
extraordinary: his interest, like many others of his age, was scholarly.
Certainly, say those who knew him from that time he was not the zealot he is
today.

Contrary to reports, claim Saudi sources, the only countries he has been to
are those on the Arabian peninsula, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Sudan.
Stories of trips to Switzerland, Philippines and London are all unfounded.

At university, Islam was compulsory, and he was taught by two renowned
scholars: Abdulla Azzam, who later became a major figure in Afghanistan, and
Mohammed Quttub, a writer and philosopher. When the Soviets invaded
Afghanistan in 1979, the young and well-off bin Laden went to Pakistan and
was taken by his hosts, Jammat Islami, to meet the refugees and their
leaders. When he returned he collected money and supplies for the Afghan
resistance, the Mujahedin. He made another trip to deliver the aid, taking
with him Afghan and Pakistani workers from the Bin Laden Company. In 1982,
Mr bin Laden reinforced his links with the Mujahedin, sending them equipment
and arms.

He spent more time

Re: [CTRL] Ahmad Shah Masood, R.I.P.

2001-09-16 Thread Edlund Jörgen


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That Osama bin Laden must certainly be a man
who plans ahead; on sunday he kills Massoud,
the only hope for the Afghan population, and
on tuesday be blows up New York and Washington...
Wonder what he´s gonna do next...?

 15 September 05:56PM -- Singapore Time

 Pakistan, Taleban blamed for Masood's death

 KABUL -- Afghan opposition commander Ahmad Shah
 Masood died on Saturday
 after a suicide  bombing plotted by Pakistan, the
 Taleban and alleged
 terrorist Osama bin Laden, ousted president
 Burhanuddin Rabbani said.

 In the first official confirmation of the veteran
 commander's death, Mr
 Rabbani described him as a 'national hero' who had
 martyred himself for
 'jihad and resistance'.

 A spokesman for Mr Rabbani said that commander
 Masood had died at 10.00
 am (0530 GMT) on  Saturday morning in a hospital in
 northern
 Afghanistan, after losing his last battle against
 injuries sustained in
 Sunday's suicide bombing.

 'Masood was martyred in a conspiracy involving
 Pakistan, the terrorist
 group of Osama bin Laden and the Taleban,' Mr
 Rabbani said in a message
 read to AFP by his spokesman, Engineer Beryalai.


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[CTRL] On CNN Manipulating Images (fwd)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [neah] Carvalho apologized on CNN Manipulating Images

Hello,

I wanted to inform you on the issue of CNN using
1991 footage.

Márcio A. V. Carvalho from State University of
Campinas - Brazil
wrote: I sincerely apologize for this uncertain information;
unfortunately I can't prove the information contained in my last
post; IT'S ONLY A CONJECTURE, THAT THOSE IMAGES OF PALESTINIANS
CELEBRATING IS FALSE. I bought the idea myself, and reproduced it for
you because of the importance of it, in the case it was to be
confirmed.

I wish he had informed us in person. This article
caused our
website to crash several times during the weekend.
Our server got
up to 4 hits per second.

After CounterPuncher took this issue seriously, it
appeared on their
front page: http://www.counterpunch.org/ This
article was taken of
their web site.

It was also published on our website:
http://www.indymedia.org.ilarticle/6946

After searching for information on the issue of CNN
using 1991
footage of celebrating Palestinians. I finally found
an email by
Marcio A. V. Carvalho. This email was sent to the
soc.culture.polish Newsgroup.

Have a happy new year,

Guy

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 Dear all,

 Last September 13, I've sent an email to a social
 theory list in which
 I provided some information about the falsity of the
 images of
 Palestinian celebration for the terrorism in USA,
 information given to
 me by a teacher. I spent the last day looking for
 that teacher, and,
 unfortunately, when I found her, she DENIED having
 access to such
 images.

 She said that she was sure she had seen the images
 back in 1991, but
 SHE CAN'T PROVE. She was not willing to provide
 further information,
 DENYING what she had said before to a full class of
 students.

 I sincerely apologize for this uncertain
 information; unfortunately I
 can't prove the information contained in my last
 post; IT'S ONLY A
 CONJECTURE, THAT THOSE IMAGES OF PALESTINIANS
 CELEBRATING IS FALSE. I
 bought the idea myself, and reproduced it for you
 because of the
 importance of it, in the case it was to be
 confirmed.

 Whatever news I get I'll pass to you.

 Best regards

 Márcio A. V. Carvalho
 State University of Campinas - Brazil

 PAPUREC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 news:3ba141a2$0$3574$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

   - Original Message -
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:48 PM
   Subject: CNN: Manipuating Images?

Independent Media Center
  http://www.indymedia.org:8081

  CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating
 Palistinians to manipulate
  you
  (english) Wednesday 12 Sep 2001
  author: Marcio

  I'd like to add some ideas from here,
 down south.

  There's an important point in the power
 of press, specifically the
  power
  of CNN.

  All around the world we are subjected to
 3 or 4 huge news
  distributors,
  and one of them - as you well know - is
 CNN. Very well, I guess
   all
   of
  you have been seeing (just as I've been)
 images from this company.
  In
  particular, one set of images called my
 attencion: the
  Palestinians
  celebrating the bombing, out on the
 streets, eating some cake and
  making
  funny faces for the camera.

  Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN
 1991!!! Those are images of
  Palestinians celebrating the invasion of
 Kuwait! It's simply
  unacceptable that a super-power of
 cumminications as CNN uses
  images
  which do not correspond to the reality
 in talking about so serious
  an
  issue.

  A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has
 videotapes recorded in
   1991,
   with
  the very same images; he's been sending
 emails to CNN, Globo (the
  major
  TV network in Brazil) and newspapers,
 denouncing what I myself
  classify
  as a crime against the public opinion.
 If anyone of you has access
  to
  this kind of files, serch for it. In the
 meanwhile, I'll try to
   'put

Re: [CTRL] WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?

2001-09-16 Thread Damaeus


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On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:19:03 -0700, Nakano Nakamura [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which
said:

 -Caveat Lector-

 The U.S. Government lied to the American People about
 the following events. Each of these incidents led the
 United States into War.

 1898..THEY LIED about the sinking of the battleship
   Maine. (Spanish American War)
 1915..THEY LIED about the sinking of the ocean liner
   Lusitania (World War I)
 1941..THEY LIED about the attack on Pearl Harbor.
   (World War 2)

What was the lie about Pearl Harbor?

 1964..THEY LIED about the Gulf of Tonkin affair.
   (Vietnam War)
 2001..THEY are now telling us the truth about the
   attacks in the U.S. last Tuesday Sept. 11th?

 QUESTION:  WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?

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Re: [CTRL] Why the Bush administration wants war


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I ask again

who or what is the wsws?
-- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - --
 -- - -- -
The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve
disorder.


Mayor Richard Daley




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 From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:28:02 -0300
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] Why the Bush administration wants war  (fwd)

 -Caveat Lector-

 Assalamu'alaikum

 Why the Bush administration wants war

 Statement of the WSWS Editorial Board

 14 September 2001

 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/war-s14_prn.shtml

 In the midst of the hysterical war mongering of the US government and a
 state-controlled media that knows no shame, it is more than ever necessary
 to retain not only ones composure, but also ones ability to think,
 analyze, and reason. It is surely appropriate to mourn the terrible loss
 of life on September 11. But sympathy for the victims, their families and
 friends should not blind anyone to the fact that powerful sections of the
 US ruling elite view this tragedy as a welcome opportunity to implement a
 militaristic agenda that has been in the works for more than a decade.

 Modern wars require a pretext, a casus belli that can be packaged to the
 public as a sufficient justification for the resort to arms. Every major
 war in which the United States has been involved since its emergence as an
 imperialist world powerfrom the Spanish-American War of 1898 to the Balkan
 War of 1999has required a catalytic event that inflamed public opinion.

 But whatever the nature of such trigger events, they never proved, in the
 light of sober historical analysis, to be the real cause of the wars that
 followed. Rather, the actual decision to go to warwhile facilitated by the
 change in public opinion produced by the casus belliflowed in each
 instance from more essential considerations rooted in the strategic
 political and economic interests of the ruling elite.

 War, said von Clausewitz in his oft-quoted aphorism, is the continuation
 of politics by other means. This means, in essence, that war is a means by
 which governments seek to secure political ends they could not achieve
 peacefully. There is no reason to believe that this profound truth does
 not apply to the events that are now unfolding in the aftermath of
 Tuesdays hijackings and bombings.

 The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have been seized on
 as an opportunity to implement a far-reaching political agenda for which
 the most right-wing elements in the ruling elite have been clamoring for
 years. Within a day of the attack, before any light had been shed on the
 source of the assault or the dimensions of the plot, the government and
 the media had launched a coordinated campaign to declare that America was
 at war and the American people had to accept all the consequences of
 wartime existence.

 The policies that are now being advancedan open-ended expansion of US
 military action abroad and a crackdown on dissent at homehave long been in
 preparation. The US ruling elite has been hampered in implementing such
 policies by the lack of any significant support within the American
 population and resistance from its imperialist rivals in Europe and Asia.

 Now the Bush administration has decided to exploit the public mood of
 shock and revulsion over the events of September 11 to advance the global
 economic and strategic aims of American imperialism. He has the full
 support of a debased media and a Democratic Party that is more than happy
 to end any pretense of opposition to the Republican right.

 On Thursday Bush all but admitted as much, declaring that the atrocity
 carried out two days before had provided an opportunity to wage war
 against terrorism. He went on to say that the conduct of this war would be
 the focus of his entire administration. Such a declaration of unabashed
 militarism would have been unthinkable prior to September 11. But the
 assault on the World Trade Center had, in the parlance of imperialist real
 politik, created new facts.

 Without having begun to seriously investigate, let alone explain, the very
 strange circumstances surrounding the terrorist attacks on New York and
 Washington, the Bush administration and the media have declared that
 all-out war is the only possible response to these events. This is before
 the government has even established the political identity of the
 terrorists, or answered troubling questions about how such an elaborate
 plotapparently involving dozens of conspirators operating within the
 United Statescould have gone completely undetected by the FBI, CIA and
 associated intelligence agencies.

 Nor have the Federal Aviation Administration, the Air Force or the FBI
 explained the failure to issue an alert or attempt to intercept the
 hijacked

Re: [CTRL] Why the Bush administration wants war (fwd)


-Caveat Lector-

World Socialist Web Site - try clicking the link below and you'll
shockingly discover it

-Caveat Lector-

I ask again

who or what is the wsws?
-- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - --
 -- - -- -
The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve
disorder.


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 From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:28:02 -0300
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] Why the Bush administration wants war  (fwd)

 -Caveat Lector-

 Assalamu'alaikum

 Why the Bush administration wants war

 Statement of the WSWS Editorial Board

 14 September 2001

 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/war-s14_prn.shtml

 In the midst of the hysterical war mongering of the US government and a
 state-controlled media that knows no shame, it is more than ever necessary
 to retain not only ones composure, but also ones ability to think,
 analyze, and reason. It is surely appropriate to mourn the terrible loss
 of life on September 11. But sympathy for the victims, their families and
 friends should not blind anyone to the fact that powerful sections of the
 US ruling elite view this tragedy as a welcome opportunity to implement a
 militaristic agenda that has been in the works for more than a decade.

 Modern wars require a pretext, a casus belli that can be packaged to the
 public as a sufficient justification for the resort to arms. Every major
 war in which the United States has been involved since its emergence as an
 imperialist world powerfrom the Spanish-American War of 1898 to the Balkan
 War of 1999has required a catalytic event that inflamed public opinion.

 But whatever the nature of such trigger events, they never proved, in the
 light of sober historical analysis, to be the real cause of the wars that
 followed. Rather, the actual decision to go to warwhile facilitated by the
 change in public opinion produced by the casus belliflowed in each
 instance from more essential considerations rooted in the strategic
 political and economic interests of the ruling elite.

 War, said von Clausewitz in his oft-quoted aphorism, is the continuation
 of politics by other means. This means, in essence, that war is a means by
 which governments seek to secure political ends they could not achieve
 peacefully. There is no reason to believe that this profound truth does
 not apply to the events that are now unfolding in the aftermath of
 Tuesdays hijackings and bombings.

 The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have been seized on
 as an opportunity to implement a far-reaching political agenda for which
 the most right-wing elements in the ruling elite have been clamoring for
 years. Within a day of the attack, before any light had been shed on the
 source of the assault or the dimensions of the plot, the government and
 the media had launched a coordinated campaign to declare that America was
 at war and the American people had to accept all the consequences of
 wartime existence.

 The policies that are now being advancedan open-ended expansion of US
 military action abroad and a crackdown on dissent at homehave long been in
 preparation. The US ruling elite has been hampered in implementing such
 policies by the lack of any significant support within the American
 population and resistance from its imperialist rivals in Europe and Asia.

 Now the Bush administration has decided to exploit the public mood of
 shock and revulsion over the events of September 11 to advance the global
 economic and strategic aims of American imperialism. He has the full
 support of a debased media and a Democratic Party that is more than happy
 to end any pretense of opposition to the Republican right.

 On Thursday Bush all but admitted as much, declaring that the atrocity
 carried out two days before had provided an opportunity to wage war
 against terrorism. He went on to say that the conduct of this war would be
 the focus of his entire administration. Such a declaration of unabashed
 militarism would have been unthinkable prior to September 11. But the
 assault on the World Trade Center had, in the parlance of imperialist real
 politik, created new facts.

 Without having begun to seriously investigate, let alone explain, the very
 strange circumstances surrounding the terrorist attacks on New York and
 Washington, the Bush administration and the media have declared that
 all-out war is the only possible response to these events. This is before
 the government has even established the political identity of the
 terrorists, or answered troubling questions about how such an elaborate
 plotapparently involving dozens of conspirators operating within the
 United Statescould have gone completely undetected by the FBI, CIA and
 associated intelligence agencies.

 Nor have the Federal Aviation

[CTRL] BSE? - JAPAN

2001-09-16 Thread flw


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BSE? - JAPAN (02)
*
A ProMED-mail post

ProMED-mail, a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
http://www.isid.org


Date: 13 Sep 2001
From: Pablo Nart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Source Japan Today, 13 Sep 2001, [edited]
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=newsid=76032

The Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries ordered a nationwide
investigation into the extent of mad cow disease (BSE, Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy) infections following the suspected case at a Chiba
Prefecture farm.

The ministry said the emergency on-the-spot probe will cover a total of
about 4.5 million cows - about 1.7 million dairy cows and roughly 2.8
million beef cattle - at some 140 000 farms. The probe is to check
whether there are irregularities suspected of being linked to BSE.

The ministry said it instructed all of Japan's 47 prefectural governments
to conduct probes at farms to see whether cows have shown signs of the
disease, such as difficulty standing.

The probe will also look into whether farmers fed their cows meat and
bone meal (MBM), a protein feed made from the crushed internal organs,
skin and bones of cows.

*
[2]
Date: 13 Sep 2001
From: Pablo Nart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Source: Japan Today, 12 Sep 2001, [edited]
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=newsid=75617


The northern Hokkaido Island, Japan's top cattle-breeding area, would
check all 1.27 million cows in its region an official in the local
government's dairy farming and livestock division said.

The ministry said the infected cow had been born in Hokkaido 5 years ago
and had been moved to the Chiba area near Tokyo 3 years ago  It said the
remains of the slaughtered cow would be sent to Britain for further tests
to confirm the disease.

The government played down the chance of a serious outbreak of the kind
that destroyed confidence in British beef in the mid-1990s, but said
farmers would be required to report any suspected cases of the disease,
formally known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE).

Officials and experts said the most likely cause was infected imports of
meat-and-bone meal (MBM) from Europe - the same way the disease spread
from Britain to the rest of Europe.

Japan banned all cattle-related products from the European Union earlier
this year, but had previously imported animal feedstuff, including MBM,
from Britain and other EU nations.

Last year, it imported about 55 000 tons of meat-and-bone meal from
Denmark and Italy, which have since suffered outbreaks, although Japanese
officials said these products would have been heat-treated before being
used. [Heat treatment will not inactivate the prion believed to be the agent
responsible for BSE. - Mod.TG]

Takebe said an investigation had begun into how the cow was infected,
adding an examination would be made of the MBM used at the cow's farm in
Chiba prefecture near Tokyo.

Given that the disease has an incubation period of between 2 and 8 years,
the 5-year-old cow could have been infected some time ago, possibly by
British MBM imports, which Japan only banned in 1996.

The Health Ministry has banned sales of meat products from the farm, and
said that could be extended to other areas.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.









MEDIUM RARE
By Jim Rarey

September 16, 2001

What a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive."
Robert Burns
CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.

This is the story of three young women who went to the nations capital to
learn about government. What they learned may have been the cause of their
deaths. The three, Chandra Levy, Joyce Chiang and Mary Mahoney had interned in
various departments of the executive branch of the federal government. As
scandal after scandal swirled about them, they may have become privy to
information that made them dangerous to powerful people. This article is about
those scandals that likely ended up destroying the young women.
This writer, in several previous articles, has documented the odyssey of
Chandra Levy ending with her job at the Bureau of Prisons. As a result of her
duties there, the author believes she came into possession of knowledge on one
or two subjects that made her dangerous to some in Washington D.C. 
The subjects were Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing and the
CIA/drug connection possibly through the controversy regarding the whereabouts
of Carlos Lehder, cofounder of the Columbian drug cartel. Sometime after the
articles were written, Chandras interest in those subjects was confirmed by no
less a person than Gary Condit. He told a Newsweek reporter; "They
talked about the upcoming executions of Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh and
drug trafficker Juan Raul Garza. "She seemed to have a lot of interest in those
two things," said Condit, "a lot more interest in them than I did."

The work and death of the second intern, Joyce Chiang, may very well also tie
into the McVeigh and OKC bombing tragedy.
Joyce, a graduate of Smith College interned in the office of California
Democrat Representative Howard Berman while a student. After graduation, she
worked in his office while attending law school at Georgetown University. She
became Bermans expert on immigration law and later, in 1995, took a position as
special assistant to the director of the Office of Congressional Relations at
the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
During Timothy McVeighs Denver trial, the immigration status of one Andreas
Strassmeir became an issue. Strassmeir was a German citizen with counter
intelligence experience in the German army who was active in the Elohim City
compound of a white supremacist group outside of Oklahoma City. According to
Carol Howe, a paid BATF informer, Strassmeir had been agitating for direct
action against government buildings. Phone records showed that McVeigh had tried
to contact Strassmeir at Elohim City a couple of weeks before the bombing.
After the bombing, the BATF notified the INS that it wanted to detain
Strassmeir and he was put on the INSs watch list. Also, the FBI and INS had
scheduled a raid on Elohim City in February, two months before the bombing to
apprehend Strassmeir for alleged weapons and immigration violations. The raid
was abruptly canceled with no explanation to date. When Strassmeir turned up in
Germany he was taken off the INS watch list.
The McVeighs defense team tried to introduce evidence of participation in
the bombing conspiracy by Strassmeir and Dennis Mahon through the testimony of
BATF informant Carol Howe. Special Prosecutor Beth Wilkinson flat out lied to
Judge Richard Matsch. She told the judge that Strassmeir was "A mere wisp of the
wind." She said Strassmeirs only problem was that he might have overstayed his
visa. She falsely stated that the letters "A" and "O" on Strassmeirs
immigration record stood for "admitted" and "overstayed" respectively. (See this
authors article "Levy/Condit Amazing Coincidences" for background on
Wilkinsons role in providing cover for intelligence agencies.)
Wilkinson also falsely told the judge that Carol Howe had been fired by the
BATF as mentally unstable and untrustworthy. She falsified the date Howe left
the service of the BATF.
Wilkinsons lies were exposed during a trial of Carol Howe. The government
had indicted her on weapons violation charges. Her BATF handler, Angela Finley
had to admit that Howe was in possession of the weapons at the request of the
BATF. She also confirmed that the BATF had given Howe a raise from $25 a day to
$400 a day and sent her back into Elohim City for further undercover work after
the date Wilkinson said she had been fired. Howe was easily acquitted.
The INS later corrected the record on Strassmeirs immigration status showing
that "A" stood for diplomatic passport and "O" for highly qualified. It was also
discovered later that Strassmeir had applied for positions with the DEA and
CIA.
Later, an appeals court judge gave only mild criticism to Judge Matsch for
accepting the word of government prosecutors when contradicted by defense
records. Matsch himself has an interesting background.
Judge Matsch was in military counter intelligence during the Korean
"conflict." In 1987 he presided over the trial of four white supremacists who

[CTRL] Fwd: Qui Bono: Data on Federal Contracting






TO THE SOLARI ACTION NETWORK: FEDERAL CONTRACTING

A historically high % of this war will be designed, run and implemented by
contractors.

Here are some websites and ranking lists for largest contractors to help you
familiarize yourself re how the money works on US contracting capacity.

Size is important. So is control of databases and knowledge, hence the
importance of understanding the information technology (including accounting
and financial transaction budgets). So is influence on events that impact
profits in the marketplace through regulation or change in control of land,
assets, etc. such as in times of war.

Intelligence agency rankings are not included as the $30 billion plus
intelligence agency budgets are generally not available to the public.

Catherine Austin Fitts
Solari




Useful sites on Federal Government Contracting by Function:

http://www.washingtontechnology.com/top-100-2001/top-100.html

http://www.washingtontechnology.com/top-100-2001/index.html

http://www.govexec.com/top200/01top/mag.htm

Useful site on Federal Government Contracting by State:

http://www.eagleeyeinc.com

Best sites for Investor, SEC Financial Data:

Check individual company sites for SEC data

http:www.edgar-online.com

http://finance.yahoo.com/

ExcerptsSelected Information on Largest Federal Contractors:

Rankings from August 2001, Government Executive Magazine:

http://www.govexec.com/top200/01top/mag.htm

August 1, 2001
Top Five Defense Contractors
TOTAL DEFENSE PURCHASES $132,125,790,000 FOR
FISCAL 2000 CONTRACT AWARDS ($000s)


RankParent Company  Total DoD   Air Force   ArmyNavy
1   Lockheed Martin Corp.   15,801,357  9,249,624   2,529,496   3,803,629
2   Boeing Co.  12,036,113  5,839,013   1,345,762   3,730,929
3   Raytheon Co.7,513,249   2,582,415   1,809,834   2,797,321
4   Northrop Grumman Corp.  5,962,349   1,752,231   803,078 3,088,173
5   General Dynamics Corp.  4,062,323   385,906 1,454,896   2,181,190


  From the Magazine

August 1, 2001 DoD Foreign Contractors and Foreign Military Sales DoD
Foreign Contractors TOTAL PURCHASES $5,254,092,000 Rank Parent Company
Amount ($000s)  Market Share (%)
1   BAE Systems 1,019,232   19.40
2   Canadian Commercial Corp.   661,701 12.59
3   Government of Germany   410,555 7.81
4   Rolls Royce PLC 215,741 4.11
5   Motor Oil Hellas148,432 2.83
6   Okinawa Electric Power Co.  96,653  1.84
7   Duchossois Industries Inc.  92,427  1.76
8   European Utilities Companies83,840  1.60
9   Daimler-Chrysler80,548  1.53
10  Kuwait National Petroleum Co.   80,134  1.53
11  Tokyo Denryoku KK   74,207  1.41
12  FN Fabrique Nationale De Herst  72,634  1.38
13  SKE Maintenance GMBH59,864  1.14
14  Snecma  56,932  1.08
15  Texaco Inc. 54,186  1.03
16  Siemens AG  52,821  1.01
17  Hyundai Corp.   50,811  0.97
18  Government of the Netherlands   48,819  0.93
19  Bilfinger  Berger  42,353  0.81
20  Williams Holdings PLC   40,263  0.77
21  Warehouses Service Agency SARL  37,736  0.72
22  Greenland Contractors   36,422  0.69
23  Compania Espanola de Petroleos  33,370  0.64
24  Racal Electronics PLC   32,775  0.62
25  Ericsson31,852  0.61


DoD Foreign Military Sales TOTAL PURCHASES $8,576,475,000 Rank  Parent
Company Amount ($000s)  Market Share (%)
1   Lockheed Martin Corp.   3,431,950   40.02
2   Raytheon Co.916,557 10.69
3   Boeing Co.  525,128 6.12
4   Canadian Commercial Corp.   455,658 5.31
5   Northrop Grumman Corp.  364,135 4.25
6   General Dynamics Corp.  330,531 3.85
7   TRW Inc.297,288 3.47
8   Science Applications Intl. Corp.256,031 2.99
9   United Technologies Corp.   159,830 1.86
10  General Electric Co.96,106  1.12
11  Honeywell Inc.  91,697  1.07
12  Renco Group 71,842  0.84
13  Carlyle Group   59,540  0.69
14  Engineering Mgmt. Concepts  48,821  0.57
15  Government of the Netherlands   48,819  0.57



August 1, 2001
The Top 100 Civilian Agency Contractors
TOTAL PURCHASES $71,716,604,000 FISCAL 2000 CONTRACT AWARDS ($000s)

RankParent Company  Total   Energy Department   NASA
1   Lockheed Martin Corp.   4,817,838   2,002,190   2,242,193
2   University of California System 3,406,804   3,343,074   27,399
3   Boeing Co.  2,624,617   16,172  2,604,230
4   Bechtel Group Inc.  2,058,495   2,046,739   7,436
5   BNFL Inc.   1,814,248   1,804,847   85


August 1, 2001
Information Technology Contractors
TOTAL PURCHASES $32,985,893,000

RankParent Company  Amount ($000s)  Market Share (%)
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[CTRL] From Utopia to Dystopia

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Canada: A stricter immigration policy forecast
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/257/nation/A_stricter_immigration_policy_forecast+.shtml
A stricter immigration policy forecast By Colin Nickerson, Globe Staff, 9/14/2001
MONTREAL The carnage next door may finally compel Canada to toughen its antiterrorist
policies at home and force the country to sacrifice a degree of national sovereignty
by joining a ''continental security'' pact with the United States. Not only were
scores of Canadians killed when terrorists aimed their suicide planes into the World
Trade Center, but Canada may also have served as an unwitting gateway to the United
States for some of the plotters of Tuesday's attacks in New York and Washington.
Investigators from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and FBI are pursuing leads that
either the hijackers themselves or accomplices entered the United States by way of its
northern neighbor. Even if that proves not to be the case, Canada - bound so
intimately to the United States by blood kinship, history, and the largest two-way
flow of trade the world has ever known - seems overdue for a serious reckoning with
terrorist cells that have taken advantage of its humanitarian ideals and lax refugee
rules to create havens in Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. ''After Tuesday, there can
be no more thinking of ourselves as the peaceable kingdom, remote from the troubles of
the US,'' said Reid Morden, former director of the Canadian Security Intelligence
Service, now chairman of KPMG Corporate Intelligence Inc., a Toronto-based accounting
firm. ''There is a terrible new sense of vulnerability.'' At the very least, analysts
predict, the attack will force Canada to take a tougher line against illegal
immigrants with terrorist ties who for decades have found safe haven in this country.
According to Canadian intelligence reports, more than 50 terrorist outfits - from the
shadowy loyalists of Osama bin Laden to Sri Lanka's bloodstained Tamil Tigers - have
fund-raising and operational cells in Canada's major cities, all located near the US
border. ''Canada ... has long been the `soft' place to enter North America,'' said
Christopher Sands, an expert on
International Studies in Washington. Now, many analysts predict, Canada will swallow
its national pride and join the United States in creating a European Union-style
''continental security perimeter'' - in effect, allowing the superpower next door to
dictate at least some of the security rules and standards by which international
travelers enter Canada from outside North America.

Suspects Entered Easily From Canada
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28632-2001Sep14.html
Officials Scrutinize Border Areas in Maine; Chretien Says Evidence Is Lacking By
DeNeen L. Brown and Ceci Connolly Washington Post Foreign Service Friday, September
14, 2001; Page A17 TORONTO, Sept. 13 -- Two suspects in Tuesday's terrorist attacks
in the United States crossed the border from Canada with no known difficulty at a
small border entry in Coburn Gore, Maine, which is usually staffed by only one border
inspection officer, a U.S. official said today. Another suspect appears to have
slipped into the country from Canada at a border crossing at Jackman, Maine, one of
the four busiest land entry ports in the state, while one or more may have ridden a
ferry from Nova Scotia, docking at a port in Maine. Maine police confirmed that
authorities believe two suspects boarded a 6 a.m. flight from Portland to Boston,
where they connected to the two jets that would take down the towers of the World
Trade Center. The U.S.-Canada border -- the world's longest undefended frontier -- has
only minimal controls at many of its numerous crossing points. This facilitates
tourism and commerce; Canada and the United States are each other's most important
trading partner. But even before Tuesday's attacks, many security experts were arguing
that easy passage could let in criminals and terrorists. Those experts were especially
concerned because, in their view, Canada's political asylum laws have helped make the
country a safe haven for foreign extremists. Many U.S. legislators contend the
border crossing points suffer from understaffing, as overworked and overwhelmed
Immigration and Naturalization Service and Customs Service officials try to inspect
hundreds of people, cars, trucks and buses that pass each day from Canada. ...
Defenders of Canada's political asylum laws say they give oppressed people protection
and a chance to make a new life. Canada has long been proud of taking a humanitarian
role; its soldiers are particularly active in U.N. peace-keeping operations. But
security experts have for years accused Canada of be
o the country with false passports, claim refugee status and then -- while their cases
are being processed -- raise money and make plans for terrorist attacks. The Canadian
Security Intelligence Service has

[CTRL] compare these quotes:

Title: compare these quotes:



Which reflects America the idea better?


They that can give up essential liberty for a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety,
 Ben Franklin


 Given this unspeakable act, Americans will
tolerate some restraint on their liberties for the sake of security, 
 Rep. Martin Meehan (D-Mass)


-- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - --  -- - -- -

Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.
  Justice Louis D. Brandeis





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[CTRL] Guns, knives selling out (fwd)


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Note quote at end from Connecticut dealer.

http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20010914/3633010s.htm

Frightened people try to buy a sense of
 security

Shotguns, handguns, ammo, knives
 camouflaged as brushes sell fast

 By James R. Healey
 USA TODAY

 Sales of guns and ammunition have skyrocketed in some areas since
 Tuesday's terrorist attacks, as have sales of plastic knives similar 
to those
 believed used by the hijackers of four commercial jetliners.

 ''People are worried about being on a hijacked plane and want some
 defense,'' Mark Koscielski, of Koscielski Guns  Ammo in Minneapolis,
 says of the knives. ''I guarantee you they can pass through an 
airport,''
 because plastic won't trigger metal detectors.

 ''They literally have to do a pat-down to find these kinds of 
things,'' says Irv
 Miller at J  L Self Defense Products in Berkeley Springs, W.Va.

 Some of the nylon knives, known as ''CIA letter openers'' or just 
''CIA
 knives,'' come camouflaged as combs and brushes. Others look like 
ordinary
 knives. They have sharp points for stabbing, but can't cut.

 ''I've probably sold about 75 non-comb models and about 125 of the
 comb/brush ones since Tuesday. Normally, we'd sell four or five a 
month,''
 Koscielski says.

 The FAA won't discuss specific procedures for dealing with the knives 
but
 says it ''will continuously monitor security measures to make sure 
they meet
 current threats.''

 Koscielski says he's also about doubled sales of firearms and 
ammunition
 since the attacks.

 ''We've talked to our members and, yes, sales are up substantially, 
both
 firearms and ammunition,'' says Andy Molchan, director of the 
Professional
 Gun Retailers Association, representing about 4,000 gun shops, 
although he
 couldn't be specific.

 ''It's understandable. People react to extraordinary situations in 
different
 ways,'' says Nancy Hwa, spokeswoman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent
 Gun Violence. ''It's a sad commentary on what has been done to this
 country,'' she says, predicting that the sudden interest in weapons 
''is a
 short-term deal'' that will fade.

 She praised companies, such as K-mart, that halted gun sales 
temporarily,
 calling that ''the responsible thing.'' Still, most of the 73,000 
licensed gun
 dealers kept selling, and many saw big jumps.

 Gun and ammunition sales are running about 50% above normal since
 Tuesday's attacks, estimates salesman Rob Tittenhofer at Shooters' 
Den in
 Winter Park, Fla. ''Not a lot of commentary, just a lot of buying -- 
ammo,
 shotguns and handguns.''

 ''Big increase in sales; marked increase. Probably four times what we
 normally do,'' since the Tuesday attacks, says Scott Hoffman, owner of
 Hoffman's Gun Center in Newington, Conn. ''People are buying guns and
 ammo because they're scared. A lot of people have been coming in never
 having owned a gun before.''

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Mike Cox wrote:

 I searched the Guardian site for references to Bin Laden's appointment. I read 
through headlines of all articles referencing Bin Laden which were published since 
the beginning of August. I found no reference to his appointment. I would suspect the 
letter writer faked the article, except for the fact that he doesn't write well 
enough. I guess we'll find out eventually.
 Mike

Here's another copy. You can't find it by site search
but it's in there for those who know the link. If I
do a search for bin laden, I get the first page and
there are supposed to be 191 hits, but next page
gives Error 404.
http://www.vny.com/cf/news/upidetail.cfm?QID=216037

I've been looking through those sites, and that's how
I found out that Bin Laden had the approval of Taleban
and Pak ISI to assassinate Masud. That's like assassinating
General MacArthur and being rewarded instead of arrested.
There's no need to locate a paper crown when the real authority
is evident. For a foreigner to kill a local super hero and do it
with Pak support at this point with US pressure on Pakistan
is to say Pakistan regards Bin Laden as a Pak strategic weapon
like their nukes. That, too, is not what US news is saying.

The fireworks in Kabul Tuesday night were also about
consolidating Bin Laden's base. I think we can assume
he killed whoever he was going after there, too. Bin
Laden's on a roll.

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2001-09-16 Thread flw


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  It was a heroic act, a teenager named Ismail Adnan said.

 here is the problem, no?


If you mean by the problem what drives young boys to
such desperate acts, you are right. Isn't the problem the
actions that causes such desperate acts. Is the problem
tanks, missiles, helicopters being used against civilian targets?

Is the problem colonial occupation?
flw

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9/16/01

These two URLs have been pulled.
Does anyone have these articles?
If so please sent them to us by reply
AND POST THEM.

Thanks,
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3US Officials were warned of a possible terrorist attack at US airports a
month before Sept 11
  http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/attack-airport-security.

4--the FBI received French intelligence reports that at least one of bin
Ladens men was operating in the US a month before the attack
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[CTRL] [Spy News] SuitCase Nukes (fwd)


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FrontLine PBS Special
SuitCase Nukes
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/suitcase/


In 1997, the public became aware of a Russian nuclear device they had not
known even existed--the so-called suitcase bomb. These devices were made for
the Soviet KGB. One of these bombs had an explosive charge of one kiloton,
equivalent to one thousand tons of TNT. If a device like this made its way
to the U.S. it could destroy everything within a half-mile radius of the
Capitol in Washington, D.C. Within hours, prevailing winds would carry the
nuclear fallout throughout Washington.

What Are These Russian 'Suitcase Bombs' Like?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/suitcase/comments.html

The comments of Alexei Yablokov, former science adviser to Boris Yeltsin;
Russian General Vladimir Dvorkin; policy expert Matthew Bunn; U.S. General
Eugene Habiger; and U.S. Congressman Curt Weldon.


The U.S. Version of a 'Suitcase Bomb'

In the 1960s the U.S. built its own version of a mini nuclear device-- the
Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM). It weighed 80-100 pounds, was
small enough to fit in a duffel bag or large case and was designed for
sabotage missions-- airfields, bridges, dams. Like the Russian device, it
had an explosive charge of roughly one thousand tons of TNT ( one kiloton).

Film of the SADM was declassified in 1997 and shows how it would be deployed
by a parachutist for a jump mission into water to reach a target. Although
the parachute jumps and retrieval operations were rehearsed many times, the
project was never put to use and these nuclear devices do not exist in
current stockpiles.

(Both video clips require RealPlayer 5.0 or higher and a 56K modem to be
viewed).


http://video.pbs.org:8080/ramgen/wgbh/pages/frontline/1712_prepare.rm
This shows how the SADM was designed for a parachute jump and swimmer
delivery system. The SADM was fit into a special flotation bag so the
atomic munition would float when the parachutist hit the water. This clip
also shows how the flotation bag was designed to attach to the parachutist's
body.

http://video.pbs.org:8080/wgbh/pages/frontline/1712_jumping.rm
This shows test jumps into water from several Navy and Marine aircraft, and
how the Navy parachutist- with the SADM attached- swims to target and
de-attaches and activates the bomb.


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Re: [CTRL] OK class, lets review


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Thanks Nessie.

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Re: [CTRL] WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?

2001-09-16 Thread flw


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 QUESTION:  WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?

  Regards to All
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The Chickens Coming Home To Roost War # 1.

CCHTRW I
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[CTRL] Hindus on the rampage (fwd)


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Assalamu'alaikum,

Hindu march turns into violent anti-Muslim protest in India; 2 killed, 50
injured

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20010916_148.html

BANGALORE, India (AP) Hindu fundamentalists rioted in a Muslim area of
southern India, shouting slogans against Pakistan and the Taliban in a
protest prompted by terrorist attacks in the United States. Two people
were killed and dozens injured, police said Sunday.

The violence occurred Saturday during a march of some 50,000 Hindu
nationalists in Hubli, a southern city that has been the scene of numerous
religious riots.

Police spokesman M.D. Singh said the march turned violent when some
participants began shouting angry slogans against the Taliban leaders of
Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan for supporting the main suspect in
the U.S. attacks, Osama bin Laden.

A few hundred marchers broke away, rushing police positions around open
land reserved for Muslims to pray and setting fire to several vehicles,
including a police jeep, police said.

One man was fatally shot by police and another died of stab wounds, Singh
said. About 50 people were injured, many from stabbings.

Curfew was imposed in parts of Hubli, which is about 250 miles north of
Bangalore, the capital of southern Karnataka state. The region is about
2,000 miles south of New Delhi.

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I think your question should be What is he doing? DUH!


No, I think that blame Clinton for the Twin Tower Terror is whiny crap mostly
put-out by paid operatives as meme warfare. Bush has hel the office of
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opportunity to review the crucial programs involved. Bush continued after
review the communications equipment transfers. Bush gave the Tailban $40
million plus.
. . . among other items in the Bush background.

And again the main glaring hole is the complete inaction of our bloated intel
and military, and then the sickening stench of their breath as they ask for
more blood money.

Their lies aren't flying with the public either, you can taste the uneasy
disttraught of purpose in the air. Where will it lead?

The TV talk is getting stilted and maudlin . . . the lie is not sticking.

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Hello James,
I'm in total(not tarian) agreement with the astutness in your
submittal. The UN charter that is trying to take over the world is the
Fascist Right Wing and American Based New World Order Thats Within the UN
Thats Trying To Take The UN Over and Not the other way around. Nevada's
Dreamland is not a Mid-Summers Night Dream but the Actual Base to
Nightmare's Reality and Its' Not So Hidden Agenda.
Absolutely, 100%,
  Karen

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JK:

Socialists? Don't you mean fascists? Henry Kissinger is no socialist.

The builders of the New World Order created their hegemony by opposing,
persecuting, and attacking socialists everywhere. They privatized
government services, suppressed labor unions, and ostracized liberal
thinkers, at home and abroad. The interests of business and the kind of
free trade that cheats consumers, destroys the environment, and
exploits workers became the paramount concern of government -- It's the
economy, Stupid.

International human rights treaties are ignored or violated with
impunity. far from allowint the UN to tke over the USA, this government
will not even pay its dues in that organization until it institutes
right-wing reforms.

That is no socialist agenda. those who consider it as such are, indeed,
victims of mind control.

James Henry Graf
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If America attacks Afghanistan, I myself 
 will kill George Bush. The Muslims of the 
 world are united. We are the real 
 superpower. If America attacks, it will be 
 the beginning of World War Three.

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MID-EAST REALITIES © - MER - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 9/16:
Like the term Star Wars before it New World Order had too many negative 
associations, too much imperial baggage.  George W. has however evoked the refrain 
This will not stand, just as his father did before him a decade ago.  What is in 
essence a continuation of the building of the New World Order designed by the 
Americans to replace the Cold War paradigm is now being heavily masked under tons of 
rhetoric about the war against international terrorism. 
 Like most serious wars, underneath all the saber rattling and patriotic slogans 
are imperial goals.  The U.S is at this historical moment the only superpower; but 
both China and Europe are asserting themselves quickly, with the Chinese very much 
aware that a combination of economic, military, and information power is required if 
they are to assert their own interests in our world in juxtaposition to the 
Americans.  As for the Arab countries, they remain essentially carved up and de facto 
rather than de jure occupied, the lingering result of the end of World War I and the 
Paris Peace To End All Peace Conference arranged by the dominant European powers of 
that day as they created the New World Order of their era -- the bloodiest in 
history to date.
Eleven years ago Richard Cheney, then Secretary of Defense, Prince Bandar bin 
Sultan, still the Saudi Ambassador in the U.S., and Colin Powell, then Chairman of the 
Joint Chiefs, rushed to Riyadh to tell the Saudi Royals that the American military was 
on the way big time.  It was not a consultation as publicly presented, it was in 
actuality a demand for compliance, a statement of fact.  Unknown to most Americans at 
the time -- and certainly not known to the Saudi and Arab publics -- was the fact that 
in the decade past the U.S. had invested nearly $200 billion in building 
infrastructure and pre-positioning supplies precisely to keep the corrupt al-Sauds and 
al-Sabahs, et. al., on their thrones and the black gold flowing in huge amounts at 
concessionary prices.   The Saudi establishment was having quite an internal debate 
and leaning at the time toward not encouraging what they realized would be a masked 
American armada taking over Saudi Arabia in strategic terms.   Osama bin Laden emerged 
from this historic crucible, already hardened by the Afghan war against the Soviet 
Empire in which he essentially served as an agent of the Saudi Government itself 
serving as a proxy for the Americans.  Himself the heir to a vast petrodollar fortune 
from one of the wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia, bin Laden is known to have 
personally debated with King Fahd and Crown Prince Abdullah themselves at the time, 
retaining until this week important connections with senior persons in The Kingdom.  
  Now the need for the Americans is to use once more Pakistan.  But Pakistan, very 
much unlike Saudi Arabia, is a country teeming with nearly 150 million Muslims and 
with a long history of fiercely guarding its independent and religion.  General 
Musharraf -- the Pakistani military ruler who dethroned the elected government by coup 
after the former Prime Minister rushed to the U.S. for an emergency meeting with then 
President Clinton on July 4th 1999 where he was told what the Americans wanted him to 
do vis-a-vis the Kashmir crisis with India -- has himself been told what the U.S. 
demands are.  He will attempt to comply in a way that does not outrage the world's 
only superpower; and in the process there are American sanctions and a crushing 
national debt of $38 billion he will attempt to remove in the hope of somehow 
pacifying his own people.  However whether General Musharraf will still be around to 
greet the new American armada when it begins to arrive big time; and more importantly 
what effect all of this will have on

Re: [CTRL] Ahmad Shah Masood, R.I.P.


-Caveat Lector-

This man involved with suicide bomber - occurred on September 9, which
is two days before the Trade Center attack.

It was thought he would live but he was held in high esteem  it was
a close attack as he had three fingers blown off, injured leg, face
injuries, etc., but it was a suicide bomber as I recall made to appear
to be delivering a message.

Remember during the World Trade Center that night it was reported
someone had gone to war in Afghanistan

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[CTRL] Fwd: [smashthestate] NEW YORK CITY WINGDING


Also, the Pentagon is real close to the 77 detgree longitude.  National
airport is 77.2

Om
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Even the children are caught up in America's crisis.  My granddaughter just turned me 
on to these oddities:

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Open Your Word processor, Word Perfect, Microsoft Word, etc.

Change the font size to 72 pt.

Type the initials for New York City.

Now Change the font type to WingDings.

Isn't that strange?

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Now, 11 is the answer to all the following...

Date of the Attack:  9/11  9+1+1=11

September 11th is the 254th day of the year.   2+5+4=11

After September 11th, there are 111 days left in the year.

119 is the area code for Iraq/Iran 9+1+1=11

The first plane to hit was Flight 11.

New York was the 11th state added to the union.

Ramzi Yousef   11 letters in his name (he orchestrated 1993 attack on WTC).

New York City has 11 letters.

Afghanistan has 11 letters.

The Pentagon has 11 letters.

Flight 11 had 92 passengers on board.  9+2=11.

Flight 77 had 65 passengers on board.  6+5=11.

George W. Bush is 11 letters.

Strange, huh?








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[CTRL] Mood of the U.S.


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   Germany warns against clash between the West and Islam

   BERLIN, Sept 15 (AFP) -

   Germany warned Saturday against a confrontation between the West
   and Islam but said it would probably decide next week on whether
   and how to participate in any eventual US military retaliation to
   the terror strikes in the US.

   German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping said I reckon the first
   decisions will be made next week but that the nature of German
   participation could only come after the United States had decided
   what it wanted to do.

   But he said it was certain that it will be a very long fight
   against terrorism, in an interview to be published Sunday in the
   Welt am Sonntag newspaper.

   Meanwhile, Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer warned against a
   confrontation between Islam and the West, which would only serve
   extremists, whose objective was to bring about a clash of
   cultures.

   Fischer told German radio channel ZDF that retaliatory action
   should not provoke more instability and must not be carried out
   in  a thoughtless way and with a short-term view.

   We must not embark on a war of cultures because that would play
   into the hands of those that carried out this horrible crime,
   added Fischer.

   Scharping added that all those who had thought that the United
   States would be driven to strike in blind revenge were wrong.

   German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder had told the state television
   station ARD late Friday that he would probably have to make one
   of the most difficult decisions of my life next week, I do not
   know when, an apparent reference to possible German military
   help for eventual US strikes.

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   Syria says world anti-terror campaign must target Israel

   DAMASCUS, Sept 15 (AFP) -

   The official Syrian press said Saturday that any global
   anti-terrorist campaign should also be directed at Israel, which
   it accuses of being guilty of large-scale terrorism towards the
   Palestinians.

   The claim comes as Washington said Friday that it was seeking
   support from Damascus in the anti-terrorist campaign it is
   readying in the wake of the devastating attacks in the United
   States of September 11.

   The world must be reminded as it heads for a fight against
   terrorism that Israel carries out large-scale terrorism against
   the Palestinians, the government daily Tishrin wrote.

   Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is one of the biggest
   symbols of terrorism, said the paper, referring to the massacres
   at the Palestinian camps of Sabra and Shatila in 1982.

   Papers also called for a resolution of the causes of terrorism
   through international efforts, in particular from the United
   States, to bring an end to the Israeli occupation of Arab lands.

   To wipe out terrorism also requires the establishment of peace
   and world security, which is difficult to put in place if one
   does not take into consideration the situation of the Arab world
   and the dangers emanating from Israeli aggression, Tishrin said.

   To uproot terrorism you need a global strategy with aims
   objectively set out, wrote the daily ath-Thawra, mouthpiece of
   the ruling Baath party.

   The Arabs are calling on Washington to play the role of honest
   broker to resolve their half-century old conflict with Israel,
   it said, indirectly calling on Washington to review its ties with
   the Jewish state.

   Ath-Thawra also sought to draw Washington's attention to Israel's
   exploitation of the attacks in the United States because the
   Jewish state sees a golden opportunity to kill more Palestinians
   without the world interfering.

   We have to lay bare the Zionist entity, which is exploiting the
   attacks while trying to make accusations (of terrorism) stick
   against the Palestinian people who are merely struggling against
   the occupation, the paper said.

   US Secretary of State Colin Powell said Friday he was pleased
   that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had sent a very strong
   letter of support towards the efforts against terrorism to
   President George W. Bush.

   That statement was followed by a telephone converstation between
   Powell and his Syrian counterpart Faruq al-Shara, who reiterated
   his country's condemnation of terrorism.

   Syria is on the US state department's list of countries accused
   of backing terrorism. It rejects the accusation, saying the

Re: [CTRL] Mood of the U.S.


-Caveat Lector-

 7--the FAA and Army intelligence knew that multiple hijackings were in
 progress before any of the planes had crashed, yet failed to shoot them down
 www.msnbc.com/news/627524.asp

what nonsense ids this

until now, every hijacked plane landed and negotiations began.
the idea has always been to try to get the innocents off the plane

what precedent was there to shoot down hundreds of innocents, before this
happened?


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[CTRL] Fwd: CHRONOLOGY OF LATTER DAY EVENTS


Calendar of events maybe involved with this Kore(sh) cult who now reside
or operate out of a box in Kentucky.

A few moments ago I typed manna and gold in Kentucky and my lights went
out.

So suffice to say you are in luck...note if you are interested the
followers of David Koresh start out with reading from Isaiah 29 - key
reading bible calendar code for the 11th of September - and then the
44th aand 45th chapters seem to have significanceeverything from the
black arts Black Pullet (ravenous bird from the East) to gold, gold and
more gold.isnt Ft. Knox in Kentucky - missing gold from King
Solomon's mines?

So David Koresh his followers believe, in particular Andrew who was
involved in attempt to place virus on lists if it was truly him - Andrew
believes Davi Koresh ws messiah because like Cyrus he came out of
Persia.

I am wondering about this Flying Serpent flag Davi Koresh pulled up when
in serious trouble, and why they sent NATO, tanks, flame throwers, fire
bombs, BATF, FBI to save the children.while Clinton and Reno
watched while as Clinton said The Davidians murdered themselves

Now McVeigh thought the war had begun, got a load of fertilizer and
answered the call ...a veteran, a believer - who knew right from
wrong but had he been programmed to so do - he was a soldier and we
train them to be fearless and go to war - like the K9 dogs, they follow
orders or they are shot.

Now I do not like this bible code calendar and set it aside for
years..think June has right idea and sees things others have not
seen.

I take the less traveled road, and when dealing with irrational minds
and getting into minds of fiery flying serpents, one can get burned in
fact, this thing is almost beginning to scare me.

These Tarot Cards and Astrologicl things used by the killersfalling
towers, burning towers, fiery flying serpents, and now in Isaiah 44 and
45 (set for reading in or rather on September 19) we read about the
rising of the sun

Hey that is fine but I saw a piper piping twice - once when Reagan was
shot,  a Piper was on the banks of Lochness,s for it was said the BEAST
had reared its ugly head - but this was an alert...McIntosh,
McIntosh - it was the McIntosh Piper, their colors were red and black
and remember then Reagan started to wear the beat up old red and black
McIntosh Jacket?

So that ws one Piper; and yester, the Piper played and in the
background, was the White House...

So I thought of Danny Boy, and roses falling for it is getting near to
November, and then the song

The Rising of the Moon - an old Irish song, for when the piper played
and the all was given, there was a rising where many were killed.

So we have symbolism of the rising of the sun.we have the black
pullet symbolism, the ravenous bird from the East - we have all this
symbolism, as if this fiery flying serpent isn't enough, straight out of
Godzilla.

But - rising of the sun - Kamikazee planes and all Japanese planes,
carried this Rising Sun symbol - still have a picture of a Major Frank
Webb my older sister had, whom she dated - seated in his battered plan,
handsome man - with 9 Rising Suns painted on the side - for it meant
like notch on a gun, he had shot down 9 Japanese planes.

When people are poor they make do with what have.so flying serpents
symbolizing the rising of the sun - the Easat - and the tall towers -
representing the (and a japanese designed those)  huge pramids with
gold, hidden in the bottomblown up which outdid McVeigh.

Who was this David Koresh really - note the believers believe he was
Messiah for he came out of Persia like Cyrus and I forget all that crap
- I only know they could have freed the children but when Koresh raised
the Flying Serpent flag it symbolized a call for help.

McVeigh and Chandra and all this stuff being connected someway to China
- Manchurian Candidates and Rising Suns and Fiery Serpents?

This is masonic symbolism and you can be sure, George Bush is reading
along maybe with the - well the ones with this particular calendar.

The burning bush - Moses was supposed to be the Head Mason, and the
Royal Arch entry to the Lodge Meeting is I Am That I Am..right out
of the mouth of of God himself, to Moses.  I Am That I Am.

So much for MNASON and all the hokey pokey for this bible is being used
as a communication - and there is also a Gideon bible specially prepared
for the Arab countries all over the world.

McVeigh left a messagae in a Gideon Bible - the Wrath of God..

For there are those idiots like Jerry Falwell who want you to believe
that God punished us for the days are evil.

This is the New World Order - sure the temples will rise again, but is
it worth it to see the old destroyed while plotting in the wings - a
dove and a serpent - for the New World Order would be Zionist, Inc. and
the see how much you pay for a cup of oil.

Good luck George Bush...but be sure to get the right ones.   Woe to
Ariel Sharon for now this man thinks

Re: [CTRL] Ahmad Shah Masood, R.I.P.


-Caveat Lector-

Well Read through Isaiah and find out.for right before Kennedy was
shot there was a lot of bible thumpers out there screaming from the
pages of Isaiah and Jeremiah?

These are days of the bright Red Star - what did you expect, roses?

Sba

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[CTRL] [Fwd: the unpublished column]

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Dear friends and readers: I am sending you this column because I know
you or you have previously written to me about my work; either to
praise, criticize, or debate (and it's all welcome). My column that
should have been published today was pulled by Gazette management
for reasons I don't completely understand. Thus I am publishing it
on my own, for a somewhat smaller readership. Lyle Stewart

September 14 column

Quebec City seemed like a good place to escape the world for a couple days
this week. Safe behind the thick fortifications in the romance of the old
town, my new wife and I could briefly concentrate on enjoying life together
away from the deadlines, headlines, and stress of home.

We were ensconced in the Maison James Thompson, a bed and breakfast operated
by my friends Greg and Guitta Alexander. On our arrival, Greg excitedly
pointed out a murder hole he had discovered during recent renovations, an
approximately eight-inch square hole in the wall (itself about three feet
thick) that would fit a musket. James Thompson was the British chief
engineer of the fortifications after the Conquest, and he was a careful man.
Thompson had built this house in 1793 with provision for house-to-house
fighting should his outer wall ever be breached. We would be safe here.

Or so we thought. After breakfast Tuesday morning, Greg asked me if I had
been following the news. No, I was deliberately ignoring the news, in fact.
Well, he replied, the World Trade Center towers in New York had collapsed
and the Pentagon was burning. We all laughed at his apparent joke. What a
kidder.

Then he suggested we look at the TV. And the world came rushing in.

The idea that centuries-old stone could protect us from a media onslaught is
whimsical, of course. It may seem a little obvious to point out today, but
it strikes me that George W. Bush's plan for protecting the United States
from the inevitable results of its superpower games is just as foolish.

There will be many more I-told-you-so's. Just last week, The Gazette
reported on former U.S. senator and presidential hopeful Gary Hart's speech
in Montreal warning of a major terrorist attack that would kill thousands
and wreak major changes in American society. Hart forecast a massive outcry
for the government to act, and an unprecedented crackdown by the
authorities. We will be spied on, our privacy will be gone; that will have
a huge impact on our society. To be sure, Hart gave all this a fairly loose
timeline of the next 25 years. He likely didn't expect to have to shorten
it to six days.

The president will now, no doubt, get his extra billions for whatever
military program his lobbyist friends deem necessary. Civil liberties will
be stepped on, probably in permanent fashion. And more misery will be
inflicted on populations that have already been driven to startling
desperation, in turn producing more motivated martyrs willing to die for
their cause.

It's instructive to note that in most states the U.S. accuses of harboring
or fostering terrorism, American realpolitik has played a key role in
triggering such implacable hostility. From the U.S. support for the brutal
Shah of Iran, to the arming of and then war with Iraq's Saddam Hussein, to
the one-sided support for Israel in its occupation of the West Bank and
Gaza, the U.S. has helped create the conditions for desperate men bent on
revenge.

If, as seems plausible, Osama Bin Laden's group is behind this attack, the
irony will be complete. The CIA, as with so many other monsters around the
world, helped created Bin Laden and his network during the Soviet debacle in
Afghanistan. That country is now a smoking ruin, controlled by some of the
most backward and violent men on the planet.

Likewise, American statecraft saw wisdom in carpet bombing southeast Asia
(immensely contributing to the rise of Pol Pot), supporting and directing
proxy armies in Latin America that murdered tens of thousands of innocents,
and installing brutal client regimes throughout the world who would ensure
their people stayed in poverty.

Those chickens are coming home to roost. Poverty, repression, and the
absolute lack of hope are fertile conditions for extremism, no matter which
religion or creed exploits it.

The American people deserve our help and our sympathy now. But this must
also be an opportunity to explore how real security is attained. Not even a
perfect missile defence system could have defended against an attack that in
all of its horror, had an elegant simplicity. No matter how big, how high,
how thick Bush builds a wall around the United States, the world will
inevitably intrude.

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2001-09-16 Thread Bill Howard


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In a message dated 9/16/01 8:41:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 until now, every hijacked plane landed and negotiations began.
the idea has always been to try to get the innocents off the plane

what precedent was there to shoot down hundreds of innocents, before this
happened? 

When an airplane in flight is disabled either by mechanical failure, or
weapons fire, IT CRASHES TO EARTH!  If This happens out at sea, it may scare
a few fishes when it splashs in. If this occurs over a populations center,
well it could take out a shopping mall full of someones mothers and sisters.
This is an excellent reason for not being trigger happy and shooting down
airliners.

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Re: [CTRL] Why the Bush administration wants war

In a message dated 9/16/01 8:58:59 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


who or what is the wsws?

World Socialist Web Site.
Actually a good source of information on various topics when the coporate media just doesn't cut it.

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?

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What was the lie about Pearl Harbor?

The it was a "suprise"...

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] US troops in Pakistan for assault


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Brought the FBI with them?   Why not just bring the KGB.

Who took the first shot?   First assassination under Red Star happened
September 9 though they guy did not die until the 15th?

Sharon has already begun another war of terror against a handful of
Palestinians so Woe to Ariel..the Slaughterman cometh.

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Re: [CTRL] Millegan Stews - Revenge of the NWO


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 All the worlds a stage declared William Shakespeare and it still holds true.
  With the recent Pearl Harbor extravaganza and spate of WWII movies a base
 was
  laid for the current rallying cry.

  Excellent point -- never thought of the recent WW2 movies as being used for
this purpose.

Samantha

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If America attacks Afghanistan, I myself 
 will kill George Bush. The Muslims of the 
 world are united. We are the real 
 superpower. If America attacks, it will be 
 the beginning of World War Three.

 Zikria Agha, 18
 Islamabad, Pakistan

MID-EAST REALITIES © - MER - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 9/16:
Like the term Star Wars before it New World Order had too many negative 
associations, too much imperial baggage.  George W. has however evoked the refrain 
This will not stand, just as his father did before him a decade ago.  What is in 
essence a continuation of the building of the New World Order designed by the 
Americans to replace the Cold War paradigm is now being heavily masked under tons of 
rhetoric about the war against international terrorism. 
 Like most serious wars, underneath all the saber rattling and patriotic slogans 
are imperial goals.  The U.S is at this historical moment the only superpower; but 
both China and Europe are asserting themselves quickly, with the Chinese very much 
aware that a combination of economic, military, and information power is required if 
they are to assert their own interests in our world in juxtaposition to the 
Americans.  As for the Arab countries, they remain essentially carved up and de facto 
rather than de jure occupied, the lingering result of the end of World War I and the 
Paris Peace To End All Peace Conference arranged by the dominant European powers of 
that day as they created the New World Order of their era -- the bloodiest in 
history to date.
Eleven years ago Richard Cheney, then Secretary of Defense, Prince Bandar bin 
Sultan, still the Saudi Ambassador in the U.S., and Colin Powell, then Chairman of the 
Joint Chiefs, rushed to Riyadh to tell the Saudi Royals that the American military was 
on the way big time.  It was not a consultation as publicly presented, it was in 
actuality a demand for compliance, a statement of fact.  Unknown to most Americans at 
the time -- and certainly not known to the Saudi and Arab publics -- was the fact that 
in the decade past the U.S. had invested nearly $200 billion in building 
infrastructure and pre-positioning supplies precisely to keep the corrupt al-Sauds and 
al-Sabahs, et. al., on their thrones and the black gold flowing in huge amounts at 
concessionary prices.   The Saudi establishment was having quite an internal debate 
and leaning at the time toward not encouraging what they realized would be a masked 
American armada taking over Saudi Arabia in strategic terms.   Osama bin Laden emerged 
from this historic crucible, already hardened by the Afghan war against the Soviet 
Empire in which he essentially served as an agent of the Saudi Government itself 
serving as a proxy for the Americans.  Himself the heir to a vast petrodollar fortune 
from one of the wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia, bin Laden is known to have 
personally debated with King Fahd and Crown Prince Abdullah themselves at the time, 
retaining until this week important connections with senior persons in The Kingdom.  
  Now the need for the Americans is to use once more Pakistan.  But Pakistan, very 
much unlike Saudi Arabia, is a country teeming with nearly 150 million Muslims and 
with a long history of fiercely guarding its independent and religion.  General 
Musharraf -- the Pakistani military ruler who dethroned the elected government by coup 
after the former Prime Minister rushed to the U.S. for an emergency meeting with then 
President Clinton on July 4th 1999 where he was told what the Americans wanted him to 
do vis-a-vis the Kashmir crisis with India -- has himself been told what the U.S. 
demands are.  He will attempt to comply in a way that does not outrage the world's 
only superpower; and in the process there are American sanctions and a crushing 
national debt of $38 billion he will attempt to remove in the hope of somehow 
pacifying his own people.  However whether General Musharraf will still be around to 
greet the new American armada when it begins to arrive big time; and more importantly 
what effect all of this will have on

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   OSAMA BIN LADEN:
  THE TRUTH ABOUT THE WORLD'S MOST WANTED MAN

[The Sunday Independent - U.K. - September 16, 2001] :  The truth about the prime 
suspect for the world's worst terrorist atrocity is shrouded in myth and 
misinformation. But Chris Blackhurst has gained unprecedented access to private 
dossiers, friends and family to reveal the real Osama bin Laden.

Osama bin Laden has never received funding from the US Central Intelligence Agency and 
does not have a huge fortune, say sources close to the fugitive terrorist leader. 

An Independent on Sunday investigation has gained unprecedented access to an 
exhaustive dossier on the life of the world's most wanted man. Including material 
supplied anonymously by a bin Laden relative and fellow Saudi dissidents, it paints a 
remarkable picture of the suspected instigator of last week's carnage, countering the 
widely accepted notion that he accepted aid from the CIA. It also suggests that far 
from being able to draw upon a $300m fortune, a claim made regularly in the Western 
press, his wealth amounts to no more than a few million dollars. 

Mr bin Laden has survived numerous assassination and kidnap attempts, achieving almost 
mythical status among his militant Muslim supporters. They
do not believe his mountain hideaway will be penetrated, and they point to a secret 
planned raid by US special forces in 1997 which had to be aborted.
This and a series of other incidents have contributed towards Mr bin Laden being seen 
by his followers as a virtual superman. 

It was not always so. Like other figures who went on to become monsters, much of his 
life was relatively carefree and mundane. Osama, or to give him
his family spelling, Ussama, was born in 1957, the seventh son among 54 children (an 
incredible tally in Western eyes but not in the Muslim world
where more than one wife is common). In all, his father had 30 wives. His mother was 
Syrian, his father a South Yemeni. Mohammed Awad, his father,
emigrated to Saudi Arabia around 1930. He was poor and worked as a porter in Jeddah. 
By the time he died in 1970, he was the owner of the biggest
construction company in the Saudi kingdom. Mohammed made his big break by tendering to 
build palaces for King Saud at much lower rates than his
rivals. He became close to the royal family, especially Faisal. In the Saud-Faisal 
power struggle in the 1960s he persuaded Saud to stand down in
favour of Faisal. 

When Saud went, the government coffers were bare and Mr bin Laden paid the whole 
country's civil servants' wages for six months. Such support did not go unrewarded: he 
was made minister of public works and all projects were to go to Mohammed's firm. 
According to members of the bin Laden family, their father was a devoted Muslim; not 
crazily so, just a regular worshipper. He was also humble, despite his wealth, keeping 
his old bag from his days as a porter as a reminder of where he had come from. Bin 
Laden senior was a tough character, ordering his children to follow a special daily 
regime he had devised for them. From an early age, they were expected to behave 
confidently and politely. Several of the children, though not Osama, were educated in 
more Western Arab countries such as Egypt, and travelled widely.

Osama's father died when he was 13. Four years later he married a Syrian girl who was 
also a distant member of his family. Today he has four wives. He was religious but, 
like his father, not especially so. At school and university he joined the Muslim 
Brotherhood. Again, this was not extraordinary: his
interest, like many others of his age, was scholarly. Certainly, say those who knew 
him from that time he was not the zealot he is today. 

Contrary to reports, claim Saudi sources, the only countries he has been to are those 
on the Arabian peninsula, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Sudan.
Stories of trips to Switzerland, Philippines and London are all unfounded. 

At university, Islam was compulsory, and he was taught by two renowned scholars: 
Abdulla Azzam, who later became a major figure in Afghanistan,
and Mohammed Quttub, a writer and philosopher. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 
1979, the young and well-off bin Laden went to Pakistan and was taken by his hosts, 
Jammat Islami, to meet the refugees and their

[CTRL] Echelon Gave Authorities Warning Of Attacks


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 Newspaper: Echelon Gave Authorities Warning Of Attacks


By Ned Stafford, Newsbytes
FRANKFURT, GERMANY,
13 Sep 2001, 1:16 PM CST

U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals
at least three months ago that Middle Eastern
terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as
weapons to attack important symbols of
American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany's
daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

The FAZ, quoting unnamed German intelligence sources, said that
the Echelon spy network was being used to
collect information about the terrorist threats, and that
U.K. intelligence services apparently also had advance warning. The FAZ, one
of Germany's most respected dailies, said that even as far back
as six months ago western and near-east press services were
receiving information that such attacks were being planned.

Within the American intelligence community, the warnings were
taken seriously and surveillance intensified, the FAZ said. However,
there was disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be
prevented, the newspaper said.

Echelon is said to be a vast information collection system
capable of monitoring all the electronic communications in the world. It is
thought to be operated by the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia
and New Zealand. No government agency has ever confirmed or
denied its existence. However, an EU committee that investigated
Echelon for more than a year just last week reported its belief that
the system does exist.

The EU committee said that Echelon sucks up electronic
transmissions like a vacuum cleaner, using keyword search techniques to
sift through enormous amounts of data.

The FAZ, in its news story, described the system as covering
the whole world with 120 satellites. The newspaper also said Israeli
intelligence had collected information indicated that Arab terrorist
groups planned to hijack planes in Europe to use as weapons to
attack targets in Tel Aviv and other coastal cities in Israel.

Because of increasing concerns of plane hijackings, Israel has
tested a new x-ray machine at the Tel Aviv airport, the FAZ said. The
machine capable of detecting all known explosive elements, even
if only in small quantities, the newspaper said.

The FAZ said that German intelligence fears that in coming days
planes will be hijacked in Europe and the Near East, and that there
is no sure way to protect against it.

Reported by Newsbytes.com, http://www.newsbytes.com .

13:16 CST
Reposted 14:52 CST

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[CTRL] FEMA Executive Orders

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FEMA Executive Orders

Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.

FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome powers grow under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas.

THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, few people know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army. FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is by-passed.

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial

Re: [CTRL] George Will Proposed Face Scans


-Caveat Lector-

  A family member was watching a Sunday Morning ABC program (with Cokie
Roberts, Sam Donaldson, etc.) and heard George Will discuss the need for
cameras and facial scans in public places throughout the country.  (I am
reminded of such software recently being tested in Tampa, Fl.)  George
Stephanopolous commented that it would be inadvisable to do that because of
the potential for racial and immigrant profiling.

  In light of comments below from an unnamed AF intel source (as reported by
the Konformist) it sounds like the wheels of the new Social Machine are
turning quickly.

Samantha

In a message dated 9/14/01 11:55:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
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 Intel source: No. What I'm saying is that these groups ((within the
  federal government - TV) were the perpetrators of the action, right
  down the line from top to bottom.


  Intel source: (laughs)  What should I answer first? I would never
  make this kind of statement without being fully certain it was
  factual. My own feeling is that it's completely sickening. It's
  repugnant and unacceptable and I'm completely opposed to what was
  done. But it's true and we all have to deal with it. There are forces
  within our government who are completely determined to change the
  structure of our society at the most basic level, and these are the
  kind of things they're going to be doing to make sure that
  (fundamental changes in our society) happens.


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[CTRL] Nationalism: Nemesis of NWO

The goal of the New World Order is to unite the world under one government and, some say, one religion.
According to some theorists, the events of last week were carefully planned and designed to facilitate implementation of the New World Order.
And yet, nationalism in the U.S.A. increased perhaps ten-fold as a result of the destruction and plane crashes. Were the planners stupid enough to think they would get an opposite reaction? If they are that stupid, are they still smart enough to plan such an operation? If they did know nationalism would be stronger, how do they plan to use that to enable the New World Order?
I do not know the answers to these questions. Isuspect nationalism is just one more form of religion or belief system that must be torn down before humans can peacefully coexist on Earth. Given the strength of religious beliefs and nationalism in the people of Earth, it is difficult to see how a global government can be established without eliminating a large majority of the planet's population.

[CTRL] Sharon Exploits Attacks For More War Crimes

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Sharon Exploits US Terror Attacks for more War Crimes

by Bassam Abu-Sharif

The United States was struck by a disaster unlike any other in modern history. A disaster, though likened to Pearl Harbor by some American writers and analysts, is in fact much more severe and has far more impact. It is an indication of what the American community will have to face in the future.

School children are using machine guns to murder their classmates and teachers. This is what has happened in the United States and nowhere else. It has happened not only once, but several times, and it’s spreading.

Two weeks ago, in the United States, the perpetrator of the Oklahoma FBI building bombing was executed. Hundreds of American citizens were killed in that explosion. During his trial he said he was targeting the unjust American system.

Several years ago the American army and National Guard surrounded the premises of a religious cult. The members of this cult were living in a large complex where they practiced their rituals as they wished. The siege of this complex and the military operation accompanying it went on for a long time. The situation ended in the mass suicide of the cult’s members.

In Japan, a group released toxic gasses in the underground subways, killing innocent people, because the members of this group believed that the Day of Resurrection had come.

Hundreds of Americans gathered in Jerusalem because they believed that the end of the year 2000 would bring the end of the world. They also believed that the destruction of the Al-Aqsa mosque was a sign of this end. They came to destroy Al-Aqsa so their prophecy could be fulfilled. This illustrates the madness of consumer-based and technologically advanced communities.

In Israel, money laundering mafias are fighting in Tel Aviv’s cafés at night, bombing each other and waging a war of organized terror against an entire people. Destroying, killing, burning, uprooting trees, and using American F-16 and improved F-16 planes, air-to-ground and air-to-air missiles against unarmed civilians. Using Apache helicopters to fire guided missiles through windows and killing leaders. All ammunition used is American and British.

Is it not time now, after the New York disaster, for the Americans to realize that terrorism is unacceptable, whether it’s carried out by terrorist organizations, terrorist individuals or a state like Israel? Israel is carrying out organized terrorism against peace-loving unarmed people using an army armed with advanced American weaponry.

Terrorism needs to be combated both in rich countries with a surfeit of wealth, whose wealth breeds its own diseases, and in those facing extreme growing poverty forced upon them by occupation. They have been robbed of their ability to grow and hold out by occupation both in the past and in the present.

I rush to point out that Israel will, regardless of who committed this despicable crime, find in it an excuse to escalate its terrorist aggression against the Palestinian people. Right wing extremists in the Israeli government and army command, trying to mask their defeat in South Lebanon, will escalate their aggression and begin to annex large parts of the West Bank to Israel.

All this will be done under the pretext of creating military buffer zones between the West Bank and Israel. The Israeli army will, when the opportunity arises, evict tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians from their lands and homes using the pretext of creating military areas. The army will announce its plans to issue the landowners with special permits allowing them to work on their lands for eight hours a day provided they leave immediately after that. What in fact will happen is that they will not be allowed to return, and will be shot at if they try to return, under the pretext that they looked suspicious.

This is what the Israeli government will do. It has in fact started implementing this plan in Jenin, Arraba, Tamoun and Yaa’bad in the north of the West Bank. These are all sensitive areas due to their proximity to the sea, and to heavily populated Israeli coastal cities. We do, however, hope this will not happen.

If there is proof of Arab or Islamic involvement in the terrorist operations in New York and Washington, then Sharon and his government will feel free to carry out wider operations, not only against the Palestinians, but also against distant countries such as Iran, Iraq and even Pakistan. This way Israel will feel it has achieved its goals and won the final round in its joint battle with the United States against the Arab oil influence.

It has become apparent that it is going to take quite some time to arrive at the truth of what happened at the criminal lethal operations in New York and Washington. Even though Israel is confident that the mastermind of the operation is Osama Bin Laden, it will not be official until evidence is found to prove his involvement.

Until such

[CTRL] world war against the enemies of Israel (fwd)

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:57:05 +0300
From: Irit Katriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [neah] Barak: world war against the enemies of Israel

Barak: the whole world has now to start a world war against the
enemies of Israel.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:24:56 EDT
Subject: Barak answers for Bush in an interview in Le Monde
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Barak answers for Bush...

In an interview in Le Monde of Sept. 14, the former Israeli Prime minister
answers for the present American president.

Le Monde : should the last events incite Mr. Bush to modify his politics in
the Middle East ?

Barak : for now, certainly not. Clinton and I have two times accepted to
take risks for the peace. I do not see why we should accept anything under
the pressure of people who are not democratically elected [..]

Barak did at least say Clinton and I and not I and Clinton. But maybe the
journalist had rectified.

Another interesting question :

Le Monde - according to you, who are the authors of the last  terrorist
action [attentat] in America ?

Barak : I don't know [...] it is time to wage a world war against terrorism
[...] this effort has to be directed not only the structures of people we
all know : Ben Ladn, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Djihad et some persons around
Arafat. We should include the States and their leaders who shelter them :
Afghanistan, Iran, Irak and, in certain measure, North Corea and Libya.

If there are any difficulty to find the authors, Israel has some ready.
After what happened in NY and Washington, the whole world has now to start a
world war against the enemies of Israel.

URL of the article :
http://www.lemonde.fr/imprimer_article/0,6063,221688,00.html

Comment and translation from French by
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[CTRL] Fw: Panoramic Views from the top of The World Trade Center (9-15-2001)

2001-09-16 Thread magnetic field

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[CTRL] Who had the most to gain?

Bill Cooper and others have asked who had the most to gain from the WTC and Pentagon destruction.
Two words: Gary Condit.

Re: [CTRL] GW Reckless and Irresponsible or Worse


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  The first tower to fall had the top floors tipping over at an angle -
leaning and falling.  The second tower fell straight down.  Neither one of us
can conclusively say whether or not these were top-down collapses or if there
was help from well-placed explosives on the lower floors.  When the 2nd tower
fell it looked to me just as it would if it had been an intentional
demolition.  Obviously this is a subjective observation on my part.

Samantha

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 The 2nd tower fell exactly like the first fell...a shower -- almost a
  fountain -- of cascading debris from the floors above the impact, and
  pancaking from the impact site down.  The only slight difference is due
  to the fact that the 2nd impact was 10 to 15 stories below the impact
  site of the first tower; in other words, Tower One was impacted around
  the 100th floor, meaning there were only a few floors above the impact
  site.  Tower Two was impacted somewhere around the high 80s or low 90s,
  meaning that there were at least 20 or so stories above the impact site.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: [EMMAS] Afghanistan News Blackout ?? (Fwd)]

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Subject: [EMMAS] Afghanistan News Blackout ?? (Fwd)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:52:01 -0500 (CDT)
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I consider the author of this post to be reliable. Perhaps we are seeing
the initial stage of cyber-warfare going into operation here.

Craig Gingold
Midpines CA

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Subject:[HD] Afghanistan News Blackout
Date sent:  Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:03:51 -0700

Hopedancers,
I have been trying to get a news service from Afghanistan for over an
hour. I have conducted several searches through all the common search
engines.  I have been able to open only a couple of websites that are even
about afghanistan, but all the links to any website which has news
service based out of Afghanistan its self are dead.  I have tried about 12
links to Afghan news and all, each and every one of them are dead, one of
them is the Official site of the Afghanistan Taliban Government, and it
has a message from the swerver which says the site is temporarily
unavailable, and it also says,  if you are the owner of this site, please
call, ...(and has a number).  Is there a complete internet blackout on
all news sites based in Afghanistan?  Can anyone else get news from that
country?  Pakistan and UAE and all other middle eastern nations news
services are working fine.

Dia
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[CTRL] Kiko flies the coop


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from:
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During the Sydney Olympics, three Mexican drug kingpins from Ojinaga,
Chihuahua, led by Francisco Kiko Rios, were arrested by Australian
authorities due to a request by the FBI that they be detained and extradited
to the United States. What followed shortly afterwards was the attempted
assassination of Chihuahua governor Patricio Martinez by an ex-state
policewoman who had served a stint in Ojinaga during the reign of Kiko there,
and was undoubtedly involved in his operations just like any other state or
federal cop would be. Now, it seems that Kiko and his boys escaped from a
maximum security prison near Sydney - the first time that an escape has
occurred there in the history of that prison - only hours before the New York
bombing occurred! Is there a link? I think there is. I think that American
intelligence has something to do with it, too.


The details of Kiko's escape were eerily reminiscent of Chapo Guzman's, by
the way.

Mexican papers are saying that there are no arrest warrants for Kiko in
Chihuahua, and they are suggesting that if there is a federal warrant, that
it will not be served because Kiko will have an amparo in his favor,
preventing his arrest. Why do I get the feeling that the US powers that be
wants him back in Ojinaga, running the massive drug smuggling operation here?


In Ojinaga, the most visible person associated with Rios was General Domiro
Garcia, who had been Donaldo Colosio's bodyguard and widely believed to be
complicit in his assassination. The Ojinaga Cartel, in spite of its relative
lack of fame - as compared to the Juarez cartel or the Arrellano Felix, is
actually one of the most important drug smuggling rings in the world. The
amount of drugs that goes through here is probably staggering. It was said in
one Mexican report that there are now three organizations involved in
activities in Ojinaga - the traditionally dominant Juarez Cartel of Amado
Carrillo, who was once a lieutenant of Pablo Acosta, the one time head of the
Ojinaga plaza; the Arrellano Felix, due to the rise of the panistas - they
being a panista mob, as opposed to organizations that thrived under the
Salinas administration and as such are described as priista mobs; and the
third is the Chiapas cartel. Why Chiapas? Because of the Army. Domiro
commanded 600 men - at least. He is now gone and I am not sure who is in
charge now, but the army brings drugs into Mexico by way of Chiapas and sends
them out by way of Ojinaga.


What I suspect is the involvement of the US Border Patrol in the functions of
this last group. The Mexican Army drives across the Rio Grande with loads of
drugs loaded up into humvees, and drops them off on the American side. Who
picks them up? What was Coronel Guzman, Domiro's right hand man, doing having
secret meetings with the head of Border Patrol operations in Marfa, Texas? If
the Border Patrol were doing their job, they would have found the drugs and
reported them, and attempted to catch the Mexicans. However, if they had
another role, they certainly would not!


Anyway, we are expecting Kiko to show up sooner or later, and who knows what
the blowback from that might be.


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Re: [CTRL] George Will Proposed Face Scans

 Fingerprints, face scans, retina scans, DNA,etc. are useless in the face of cloning technology.
What is needed instead is idenfication of the soul essence, or lack thereof, of each individual.
Those without soulwould beclones or other forms of duplicated entities and thus killing themwould beno loss to the universe.
 "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-A family member was watching a Sunday Morning ABC program (with CokieRoberts, Sam Donaldson, etc.) and heard George Will discuss the need forcameras and facial scans in public places throughout the country. (I amreminded of such software recently being tested in Tampa, Fl.) GeorgeStephanopolous commented that it would be inadvisable to do that because ofthe potential for racial and immigrant profiling.

Re: [CTRL] Ted Olson On FoxNews


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/15/01 10:27:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Both the daughter and her mother were very calm in relating this story;
  one could say that they were 'cold pricks'the rest of us recognize
  that people deal with grief in different ways...

  Considering that Ted Olson coldly, deliberately (and quite incompetently, I
may add), argued the case before the SC that GW should be appointed as
President, we have reason to believe he is a colder prick than most.

Samantha

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[CTRL] Bin Laden: What does it matter?

Does it really make any difference if bin Laden was responsible for the killing or not?
He is the sworn enemy of all Americans, which makes me his enemy. Should the occasion present itself, knowing he wants me dead, I would have to defend myself and kill him or his allies.
So why is there any disagreement about going after him, even if it is true, as many say, that U.S. foreign policy, supporting terrorism by enemies of Islam, is an underlying cause of the events of Sept. 11? Even the Muslims must understand that self-defense is universally accepted.

Re: [CTRL] Damn FEMA to hell!

2001-09-16 Thread Fred R. Saluga

Greetings:

 I don't know if anyone picked up on an interview with someone from FEMA on Fox Thursday night. When he was being interviewed, by the newscaster, he stated"WE GOT HERE MONDAY NIGHT AND DID NOT START WORK TILL TUESDAY. Could have been a slip or he was to tired to know what day it was. But again, I found it to be very interesting.

Fred

Re: [CTRL] WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?


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 Operation B.S.

 How about, Operation Blind Sweep? It fits this world wide faith-based
 witch-hunt-down/crusade/cleansing, blind rage propelled folly, that it is.
 And isn't.


Opperation Noble Eagle- computer generated name.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Robertson Defends Falwell

2001-09-16 Thread foxter






I saw Robertson 
interviewed.
He did not adopt 
Falwell's statement.




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Re: [CTRL] Konformist: 'Scrambled fighters arrived too late' (fwd)


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 http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_399743.html

 Ananova :

 'Scrambled fighters arrived too late'

 US Air Force jets were scrambled to intercept the hijacked jets but arrived
 too late, according to reports.

 CNN says Pentagon sources have revealed at least four fighters took off from
 bases in Massachusetts and Virginia.

 It is said the fighters arrived a few minutes after the second airliner
 crashed into the World Trade Centre and the third into the Pentagon.

 Two armed F-15s took off at 8.52am EDT (1.52pm BST) on Tuesday from Otis Air
 National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts - about six minutes after
 American Airlines Flight 11 out of Boston crashed into the Trade Centre's
 north tower.

 The fighters raced toward New York but didn't arrive until after the second
 airliner crashed into the second tower, reports CNN.

 In the attack on the Pentagon, sources say two F-16s left Langley Air Force
 base in southeast Virginia at 9.35am EDT (2.35pm BST) - just two minutes
 before American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the military headquarters.

 Sources say the FAA did not request any action in regard to United Airlines
 Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania.

 Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has said the Pentagon was tracking
 the fourth airliner and could have brought it down if President Bush had
 decided it was necessary.

 He said: I think it was the heroism of the passengers on board that brought
 it down, but the Air Force was in a position to do so if we had to.

 Story filed: 21:35 Saturday 15th September 2001


This, and the Times article appear to be spin.

J2

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[CTRL] AON Insurance in WTC lost no directors

2001-09-16 Thread Ole Gerstrøm




AON Corporation, Insurance Agencies in WTC lost no 
directors.They were allon a trip to Europe on September 11, 
2001.

Kind regards, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark

[CTRL] Pakistan Walks Fine Line In Cooperation With U.S. (fwd)


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Assalamu'alaikum

It looks like now Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and his senior
military commanders, facing growing pressure from the United States, will
agree to American dictates and use Pakistani soil to launch terror attacks
against the Afgani people. (see:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32037-2001Sep14.html) In
doing so this will both launch a civil war in Pakistan (the military
against the people), as most Pakistanis love the Afgani people, and, in
addition, incur the wrath of the entire Muslim ummah. WWW3 may be just
around the corner if America goes ahead with its proposed carnage.

ININ
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 Pakistan Walks
Fine Line In Cooperation With U.S.

By Pamela Constable
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, September 15, 2001; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34020-2001Sep14.html

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Sept. 14 -- Every Friday at 1 p.m., hundreds of
Muslim men and boys in white cotton clothing and skullcaps hurry to the
Red Mosque to pray and hear their imam, or mosque leader, deliver his
weekly message.

Today, the message was about the terrorist attacks on New York and
Washington, and it was unforgiving.

This is the wrath of Allah, said the imam, his voice ringing out over a
loudspeaker across the silent stone patios. You Americans commit
oppression everywhere, in Kashmir, in Palestine, and you do not see the
blood spilled. No Arab country had the means to launch such attacks, the
voice declared. But when Allah catches hold of you, there is no escape.

Afterward, worshipers spilling out of the mosque seemed confused, anxious
and angry. Many said they were sorry so many Americans had been killed and
felt the attacks were wrong. Yet they also expressed bitter resentment
against the United States and said it would be equally wrong to retaliate
against Afghanistan, home to Osama bin Laden, the purported terrorist U.S.
officials call the prime suspect in Tuesday's suicide hijackings.

If America attacks Afghanistan, I myself will kill George Bush, vowed
Zikria Agha, 18, his eyes and voice cold with conviction. The Muslims of
the world are united. We are the real superpower. If America attacks, it
will be the beginning of World War Three.

While not shared by all Pakistanis, the intense, defiant emotions stirred
here in the wake of the terrorist attacks half a world away partly explain
why the government of Pakistan now finds itself in a dilemma as U.S.
officials press its leaders to cooperate in a manhunt for bin Laden and
possible military strikes against Afghanistan.

For years, Pakistan has been a society with a split personality. The
majority of its 140 million people are poor, devout Muslims with little
hope of bettering their lives and little faith in their political rulers.
Instead, they have increasingly turned to Islam, and to an identification
with suffering Muslims in other countries, whom they view as victimized by
Israel and the West.

On the other side is a minority of more educated, religiously moderate
Pakistanis who see their country's future as dependent on improved
economic and political ties with Western powers. They fear that if
Pakistan is tarred with the Islamic extremist label, it will risk economic
collapse, international isolation and a bleak future.

Until now, the clash between these two Pakistans has been mostly
rhetorical. The government of President Pervez Musharraf, an army general
who seized power in October 1999, has tried to placate influential Islamic
groups at home while seeking credibility among Western governments and
lending institutions abroad.

But the terrorist attacks in the United States, and the enormous pressure
now being brought to bear on Musharraf to cooperate with U.S. intelligence
gathering and possible military actions, have crystallized these
contradictions in the starkest possible terms, and they may well force him
to choose between risking domestic upheaval and international isolation.

This is a defining moment for Pakistan and a critical choice for
Musharraf, said Rifaat Hussain, a professor of strategic and defense
studies at Quaid-I-Azam University here in Pakistan's capital. Do we swim
with the current of world opinion against terrorism, or do we condemn
ourselves to being on the wrong side of history? There is really no
choice, but it will be a very difficult one for Musharraf to handle.

The government's dilemma is not a simple confrontation between religious
sentiment and pragmatic politics. It is also deeply intertwined with
Pakistan's troubled history of shifting international alliances, failed
democratic governance, ambivalent relations with Afghanistan and nuclear
rivalry with India -- a much larger, Hindu-dominated country from which
Muslim Pakistan was split off in 1947.

During the 1980s, Pakistan was squarely aligned with the United States
against the Soviet Union, which occupied Afghanistan for a decade.
Pakistan's military ruler at the time, Gen. Mohammed

Re: [CTRL] Nationalism: Nemesis of NWO

2001-09-16 Thread c.

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From: Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:47 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Nationalism: Nemesis of NWO

 The goal of the New World Order is to unite the world under one government

the one govenmnet is the america government, been doing it's best to change
other government's policies for years.

 and, some say, one religion.

 According to some theorists, the events of last week were carefully
planned and designed to facilitate implementation of the New World Order.

 And yet, nationalism in the U.S.A. increased perhaps ten-fold as a result
of the destruction and plane crashes. Were the planners stupid enough to
think they would get an opposite reaction? If they are that stupid, are they
still smart enough to plan such an operation? If they did know nationalism
would be stronger, how do they plan to use that to enable the New World
Order?

i doubt very much that america's national interest will alter too much
within a NWO. remember - the mandate being asked of the world is for america
to operate outside her borders- with the support of her partners.

outside of amerika- the new world order is defined as amerika uber alles

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Re: [CTRL] Konformist: 'Scrambled fighters arrived too late' (fwd)


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In a message dated 9/16/01 10:45:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has said the Pentagon was tracking
 the fourth airliner and could have brought it down if President Bush
had
 decided it was necessary.

 He said: I think it was the heroism of the passengers on board that
brought
 it down, but the Air Force was in a position to do so if we had to.

 Story filed: 21:35 Saturday 15th September 2001


This, and the Times article appear to be spin.

J2


And quite aggrandizing, also. If press reports are accurate and they were
wating for the prexy to make decisions, he was told about the first event
and then kept reading to the kids during an education photo-op for some
twenty minutes.  I guess he just didn't understand, but could of if he had
to.

How do people who peddle the shlock look in the mirror?

Om
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Re: [CTRL] Nationalism: Nemesis of NWO

2001-09-16 Thread Bill Howard


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  the mandate being asked of the world is for america

to operate outside her borders- with the support of her partners. 

Yes, c. We learned how to do this from the British, and we learned it well.

BHoward

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[CTRL] Arizona store owner killed in spree (fwd)

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In my own nievity, I had assumed that, though some Americans would show anger and 
hatred toward all those of Arab and South Asian descent following the attacks on 
Tuesday, no one would go as far as killing someone.  I was wrong.

Headline:

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[CTRL] AUC and Taliban: U.S. Policy Backfires from Colombia to Afghanistan


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AUC and Taliban:


U.S. Policy Backfires from


Colombia to Afghanistan


By Kim Alphandry


 Special to The Narco News Bulletin


In the wake of the attacks on U.S. soil, Afghanistan and its ruling Taliban
are at the center of media attention.

The Taliban, whose name means students, was created by the the Pakistani
Intelligence Agency (ISI), and developed during the Soviet occupation of
Afghanistan. The Taliban army consists of Muslim fundamentalist mercenaries
from Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, armed and financed primarily by
the United States and Saudi Arabia. Over the last six years the Taliban have
gained control over 90% of the country. (Until recently the Taliban have been
referred to as 'freedom fighters' in the western press.)

The Taliban, thus, began as a U.S.-backed paramilitary organization, using
the same strategy as was used in Colombia with the formation of the United
Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC). As in South America, the explosive
mixture of paramilitary groups and the massive profits to be made in
narco-trafficking under drug prohibition has grown into a force beyond
control of its makers. Even as the U.S. government today opposes the Taliban
in Afghanistan, it is creating another one in Colombia.

And as with the Colombian people and the paramilitaries unleashed upon them
by U.S. policy, the Afghan people are not supporters of the Taliban. In fact,
there is a very strong opposition movement in Afghanistan to the Taliban.
Yet, as with Plan Colombia, a U.S. military intervention in Afghanistan could
end up harming the innocent Afghani people who oppose the Taliban.

Just last week, the opposition movement to the Taliban lost its heroic leader.



AFGHAN COMMUNITY MOURNS


The Afghan community is now mourning the death of their most highly regarded
leader, Ahmad Shah Mas'ood, commander of the Northern Alliance (NA),
opposition forces to the Taliban in Afghanistan. (The NA is referred to a as
a 'rebel group' in the western press.)

Commander Ahmad Shah Mas'ood has held this fragile opposition group together
since the 1979-89 Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. He is famous for leading
battles on the frontlines.

Qand Dukhtar, an Afghan American states, It is with great pain that I inform
you that Ahmad Shah Masood, commander of the Northern Alliance forces against
the Taliban and Osama bin Laden passed away on Sunday, September 9, 2001.

Afghan commander Ahmad Shah Mas'ood was the victim of an assassination
attempt by bin Laden this last Sunday -- two Arab men posing as journalists
exploded a bomb at a meeting being held in his office in the Takhar Province
of Northern Afghanistan.

Saudi dissident Ossama bin Laden is blamed for the attack. Osama bin Laden is
not a member of the Taliban, but apparently assists the Taliban in it's
objectives by violent means.

Mas'ood's death is viewed with such deep concern that countries wary of
Afghanistan's Taliban held an emergency meeting on Thursday, representatives
from Iran, Russia, Tajikistan, India and Uzbekistan attended. His loss will
be a major blow to the NA as Mas'ood has been the leader of the anti-Taliban
forces for some 20 years.

Dukhtar explains, While the whole world has been preoccupied with the events
in NY and DC, this has been an extremely painful week for millions of Afghans
who will never forget their fallen heroes and the sacrifices they have made
for their country. Dukhtar went on to say that, Ahmad Shah Mas'ood was one
of the bravest heroes in the history of Afghanistan. He spent his entire
lifetime fighting to free his nation. The only dream and hope he had was for
a free and peaceful Afghanistan. 

On Tuesday September 11th, two hours after the bombings of the World Trade
Center, the Northern Alliance retaliated for the assassination of their leader
 by shelling Kabul, the Taliban controlled capitol of Afghanistan. At which
point CNN reported that the US government could be responsible for the
bombings -- and later apologized for the erroneous report.



HISTORY


Afghanistan, once a stable nation, has been literally destroyed as it has
been forced to fight a civil war the past 20 years. Six million of its
population are refugees, with more than 75 percent of the country laid to
waste.

The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in December 1979. It was the last hot
war it would fight, and one whose failure played a leading role in its loss
in the Cold War and disintegration. Afghanistan is infamous today for being
in the grip of the most benighted, fanatical and misogynist government in the
world. [Cosma Shalizi's review of The Soviet Invasion and the Afghan
Response, 1979-1982 (University of California Press, 1995), by M. Hassan
Kakar, (http://www.santafe.edu/~shalizi/reviews/kakar-soviet-invasion/)]

Over the last

[CTRL] Terrorists Get Cash From Drug Trade


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TERRORISTS GET CASH FROM DRUG TRADE

Trafficking Prime Source Of Funds For Many Groups

In response to this week's terrorist attacks in the United States, U.S.
Secretary of State Colin Powell told a news conference Wednesday that we
have to make sure that we go after terrorism and get it by its branch and
root.

Mr.  Powell meant his comment to be a warning to states that support
terrorists.  But the evil of terrorism has another root: money.  Terrorist
groups may be forged by people holding fanatical beliefs, but their
operations still need material support.  Weapons have to be bought, training
financed, travel paid for, bribes offered and terrorists sheltered.  Even
zealots need cash.

It used to be that the terrorism was funded by nation states, particularly
the old Soviet Union, said John Thompson of the Mackenzie Institute, a
Canadian think tank studying terrorism and organized crime.  But as the
Soviet Union weakened in the 1980s, more and more insurgent groups, terrorist
groups, started to resort to organized criminal activities to pay their
bills.

There are still a few state sponsors left, Mr.  Thompson notes, although
today they try to hide that support.  These include North Korea, Iraq and
Syria.  And in some countries, such as Pakistan and India, officials within
a state, without the state's knowledge, use their offices to fund terrorism.

A very few wealthy individuals fund terrorism with their personal fortunes.
Osama bin Laden, a prime suspect in Tuesday's attacks, is one such
benefactor.  His wealth comes from the construction industry and, although
his assets were frozen a couple of years ago, Mr.  Thompson believes he was
able to spirit out several tens of millions of dollars.

Another common source of cash for terrorists is money raised among
expatriates.  The Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka are thought to derive much of
their funding from donations by Tamils living elsewhere, including Canada.
Sometimes those donations are voluntary, but often terrorist groups will
raise funds through fake charities, or extort them by threat.

But these sources of funding are not the bread and butter of terrorism, Mr.
Thompson said.  The big money earner for most of them seems to be
narcotics.

Law enforcement agencies agree.  In 1994, Interpol's chief drugs officer,
Iqbal Hussain Rizvi, admitted that drugs have taken over as the chief means
of financing terrorism.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, terrorists quickly moved into the
business that offers bigger, faster profits than any other.  In Northern
Ireland, both Loyalist and Republican paramilitaries traffic drugs to pay for
weapons.

In Kosovo, the creation of the KLA ( Kosovo Liberation Army ) was financed
by intense heroin trafficking from Istanbul, Alain Labrousse, the head of
Observatoire francais des drogues et des toxicomanies, a French organization
that studies drugs, recently testified before a Canadian Senate committee.
The heroin was sold in Switzerland to buy Kalashnikovs and handguns.

In Peru and Colombia, leftist rebels have tapped into the illicit trade in
cocaine and heroin to finance their activities.  The leader of right-wing
paramilitaries in Colombia recently admitted that they get 70 per cent of
their funding from the illegal drug trade.

In his presentation to the Senate committee, Mr.  Labrousse presented a list
of countries in which armed insurgents have been financed to some degree by
the black market in drugs.  There were 29 nations in all.

Just how much of a group's financing comes from drugs varies widely, Mr.
Thompson said.  With the Islamic fundamentalists, ( it is ) maybe 25 to 30
per cent.  It's probably the single biggest money earner.

The drugs trafficked by Islamic terrorists include marijuana from Lebanon,
but more commonly they distribute heroin.  Afghanistan is one of the largest
growers of opium poppies, the source of heroin.

Even Osama bin Laden may have his hands in the drug trade.  According to a
Russian report, Mr.  bin Laden has bankrolled Chechen gunmen in Dagestan with
funds generated from heroin trafficking.

The importance of illegal drugs to the financing of terrorism raises an
obvious question.  If illegal drugs are the single largest source of funding
for terrorism, can you hurt terrorism by legalizing drugs?

Probably, John Thompson said.  In fact I think you could

Re: [CTRL] Millegan Stews - Revenge of the NWO


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 In a message dated 9/14/01 3:08:30 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  All the worlds a stage declared William Shakespeare and it still holds true.
   With the recent Pearl Harbor extravaganza and spate of WWII movies a base
  was
   laid for the current rallying cry.

   Excellent point -- never thought of the recent WW2 movies as being used for
 this purpose.

 Samantha

OK Let's not get carried away. This suggestion is only a possibility. It is not
likely that different movie production companies comspired to produce films for
the purpose of preparing the public for September 11 2001. Movies don't get made
that way.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Mood of the U.S. j2


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thew wrote:

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  7--the FAA and Army intelligence knew that multiple hijackings were in
  progress before any of the planes had crashed, yet failed to shoot them down
  www.msnbc.com/news/627524.asp

 what nonsense ids this

 until now, every hijacked plane landed and negotiations began.
 the idea has always been to try to get the innocents off the plane

 what precedent was there to shoot down hundreds of innocents, before this
 happened?

No precedent is neccessary. The country was on alert and secret services
knew it. Once the first plane crashed into the North Tower, the intent
was clear. The country WAS under attack. 18 minutes later another.
What prcedent is needed after this?


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[CTRL] Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants


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Center and Pentagon carnage, TSG is presenting these excerpts from a
terrorism manual that U.S. investigators say has been used by followers of
the Saudi lunatic. The manual, Military Studies in the Jihad Against the
Tyrants, was discovered by authorities in May 2000 in the Manchester,
England home of a bin Laden follower. An English translation of the 180-page
Arabic document was introduced into evidence during the recent embassy
bombing trial in New York federal court. The manual offers jihad members
instruction on an array of terrorist techniques, including:
Page 1: The dialogue of bullets.
Page 2: Blasting and destroying.
Pages 3-4: Forged documents.
Page 5: Security measures in public transportation.
Page 6: Definition of Special Operations.
Pages 7-8: Guidelines for Beating and Killing Hostages.

Click here for more on bin Laden.
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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
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Re: [CTRL] compare these quotes:

2001-09-16 Thread Edlund Jörgen


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... and how about this quote...?:

 There are major plans, as David Rockefeller notes,
and when a Vietnam war, the assassination of John F.
Kennedy, or the destruction of a Korean arliner are
necessary, they will be caused to happen. They will
not be left to chance or the bad aim of a lone gunman
in a sixth-floor window in Dallas. This is the way
things are. Successful men plan ahead.

L. Fletcher Prouty, 1992




 They that can give up essential liberty for a
 little safety deserve neither
 liberty nor safety,

 Ben Franklin


  Given this unspeakable act, Americans will
 tolerate some restraint on their liberties for the
 sake of security,

   Rep. Martin Meehan
 (D-Mass)


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 - -  - -- - - - --
  -- - -- -

 Experience should teach us to be most on our guard
 to protect liberty when
 the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born
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 evil-minded rulers. The greatest
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Re: [CTRL] 'We Are on the Verge of the Abyss,'


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   It was a heroic act, a teenager named Ismail Adnan said.
 
  here is the problem, no?
 

 If you mean by the problem what drives young boys to
 such desperate acts, you are right. Isn't the problem the
 actions that causes such desperate acts. Is the problem
 tanks, missiles, helicopters being used against civilian targets?

Not since the Ruskies left. What the hell are YOU talking about?

J2


 Is the problem colonial occupation?
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Re: [CTRL] Arizona store owner killed in spree


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really quite naive of you

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Re: [CTRL] Arizona store owner killed in spree


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Naive of him as I entertained no such illusions/delusions

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 really quite naive of you
 
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  In my own nievity, I had assumed that, though some Americans would show anger
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  attacks on Tuesday, no one would go as far as killing someone.  I was wrong.
 
  Headline:
 
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[CTRL] The strugle for the next Western puppet to rule Afghanistan.


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Tussle on for Masood's successor
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/news3a.htm

Imtiaz Gul reports from Kabul
The Friday Times
Pakistan's First Independent Weekly Paper

Paris (file photo):
French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine
greets Ahmed Shah Masoud
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/p3a.jpg

While mystery still shrouds the fate of the Northern Alliance's commander
Ahmed Shah Masoud, injured a few days ago in a bomb explosion, reports
indicate he will never be battle-worthy again even if he survives.

Russian and Pakistani sources in fact indicate Masoud might already have
expired. Itar-Tass, the Russian news agency reported Monday that Masoud had
expired. The Alliance sources, however, deny the report and say he is being
treated in a hospital in Tajikistan.

Whatever be the case, the search is on for his replacement. The
Jamiat-e-Islami chief and former Afghanistan president Burhanuddin Rabbani
is likely to retain his place as the spiritual head since he is considered
too soft to lead the troops in the battlefield. While some analysts point to
Wali Shah Masoud, Ahmed Shah's brother, as the likely successor, sources in
the Alliance told TFT that he is too educated for the job.

However, it seems the tussle is on among some of Masoud's generals. Insiders
say the tug of war might not only weaken the Alliance but may even split it
into many factions. The Alliance was never without internal differences but
Masoud had kept it together because of his charismatic personality.

The fighting had become difficult even for Masoud despite his resources.
When his troops lost big chunks of territory in the Takhar province a year
ago, he opted to retreat to Khawaja Bahauddin in the Badakhshan province
while using an obscure corner of Dushanbe, the capital of Tajikistan, for
his diplomatic overtures.

Over the past two years, Masoud had allowed former communist generals like
Asif Dilawar, Saleh Mohammad and Aman Brakzai to move into his closer
circle, with the notorious Dilawar being made the chief of the armed forces'
organisation committee. The Uzbek warlord Dostum, another former communist
general, has also been Masoud's close friend while Gulbuddin Hikmetyar, an
avowed enemy of Masoud since their university days, also joined up with him
after the Taliban took over Kabul in September 1996.

Many Afghans viewed Masoud's strategy as treason. We spilled our blood to
get rid of the communists but this man has offered them lucrative positions
only because he wants to outdo the Taliban, a neutral Afghan based in
Tajikistan told TFT.

Most people know Masoud from his sobriquet the Lion of Panjshir. His
detractors called him the Darling of the West. But the best appreciation of
his combative skill came from Alexander Rutzkoi, a veteran of the Soviet
troops that fought the Muslim guerillas for almost a decade. He is a master
strategist, said Rutzkoi.

Masoud definitely knew the art of survival. And he survived some two decades
of war and continuing civil strife in a country torn by ethnic hatreds.
Early August, when the Taliban appeared set to finally overrun the Panjshir
Valley, his impregnable stronghold and birthplace in the Parwan province,
Masoud staged one of the most surprising comebacks. In a blitzkrieg
counter-offensive he retook almost all the areas he had lost to the Taliban,
including the Bagram airbase. Also, while the rise of the Taliban militia in
the mid-1990s gradually demolished the myths woven around most of the seven
leading Mujahideen commanders, including Gulbuddin Hekmetyar, Masoud until
now stood out as the best fighter among the old mujahideen leadership.

Sandy Gall, a British TV correspondent who met him several times, described
Masoud as arguably the best and the shrewdest guerilla commander the Afghan
civil war has thrown up. A lean but charismatic figure, Masoud's life in
the past two decades had been marked by a string of battles against Afghan
communists, the Soviet army, the fellow mujahideen and now the Taliban.

Born to an ethnic Tajik family in 1948 in the Panjshir Valley, some 100
kilometres northeast of Kabul, and inspired by his father, a colonel in the
Afghan army, Masoud fancied a military career but had to study engineering
at the Kabul University at his father's insistence. He also dreamed of
becoming the overlord of Afghanistan and that is why never liked Pakistan's
support for Hikmetyar.

Once he blatantly asked former foreign minister Sardar Assef why could a
Tajik not become the ruler of Afghanistan and that he needed Pakistan's
support to defeat Hikmetyar, a Pakistani diplomat told TFT in Peshawar. I
will teach you a lesson, Masoud reportedly thundered in his meeting with
Sardar Assef in 1995.

Taking a clue from what has happened to Masoud, the Taliban on Wednesday
also banned visas for all intending journalists until next orders. These
journalists could become guides for the Americans to target the Taliban
leaders or Osama bin Laden as well, said an Afghan diplomat

Re: [CTRL] Arizona store owner killed in spree


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my mistake
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 Naive of him as I entertained no such illusions/delusions

 On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, thew wrote:

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 really quite naive of you
 
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 Subject: [AL-AWDA-News] Arizona store owner killed in spree

 In my own nievity, I had assumed that, though some Americans would show
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 and hatred toward all those of Arab and South Asian descent following the
 attacks on Tuesday, no one would go as far as killing someone.  I was wrong.

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 azcentral.com - Store owner killed in spree


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[CTRL] Hold the Vision by Starhawk

2001-09-16 Thread radtimes


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Hold the Vision

http://www.starhawk.org/activism/holdthevision.html

by Starhawk
September 14, 2001

The world has changed in the past week. An act of violence and horror has
cost the lives of thousands, and shattered all of our plans and
expectations for the future.
We who have been working for global justice now face an enormous challenge.
Since Seattle, we've built and sustained a movement in spite of continually
escalating police violence and attempts by the media to paint us as violent
thugs. Genoa did not intimidate us, and momentum was growing for the
demonstrations in Washington DC at the end of the month. Public opinion was
shifting, and the whole edifice of corporate rule was losing legitimacy.
The terrorist attacks of last Tuesday could undermine all of our work, at
least in the short term. They are the perfect excuse for the state to
intensify its repression, restrict civil liberties, and for anyone who
speaks out against blind retaliation to be demonized.
The mood of the country is potentially ugly. People are scared. They're
angry. Their sense of power and invulnerability has been badly shaken, and
in the U.S., they're not used to it. They're grasping at anything which can
restore their sense of power over their lives, and in a violent society,
that means punishment, retaliation, war.
And many of us activists are also scared. I know how easily I can sink into
fear and despair right now. I'm scared of the repression that might come,
scared of being personally targeted, scared of the loss of our liberties,
scared, yes, of further attacks. But most of all I'm scared for the
movement, which I believe is crucial to our survival as a species.
And yet I also believe that the current crisis can be a great opportunity,
if we can only see how to grasp it. Extraordinary times create
extraordinary openings and possibilities. Our usual patterns and ways of
thinking are shattered. When structures fall, something new can be built.
To do that, we have to behave in extraordinary ways. We need to acknowledge
our fears, but not act out of fear. Fear leads to bad decisions and
constricted vision, just when we need to see most clearly.
Hold on, hold on, hold the vision, that's being born, our cluster chanted
in Quebec City.
It may be that the most radical thing we can do right now is to act from
our vision, not our fear, and to believe in the possibility of its
realization. Every force around us is pushing us to close down, insulate,
retreat. Instead, we need to advance, but in a different way. We're called
to take a leap into the unknown.
As a movement, we've often been accused of lacking a clear vision of the
world we want. I think we do have a vision, that includes diversity and
rejects uniform, dogmatic formulations. But within all its varied forms
there's a clear common ground: we want a world of liberty and justice for
all. It sounds downright patriotic but if you think about its
ramifications, they are revolutionary. And we want a world in which no one
has to fear violence, which is the ultimate violation of freedom.
There are many voices right now trying to mobilize people around fear,
anger and blame. As radicals, we've too often tried to mobilize people out
of guilt, or shame. This is the moment to reinvent our approach, our
strategies and our tactics, to believe in the possibility of moving people
to act from hope, to act in the service of what they love. What would this
look like? It would mean embodying the world we want to create in our own
movement, and in our actions.
Times of grief and anguish can strengthen our bonds. Right now, more than
ever, we in the movement need each other as never before, and we need to
treat each other well, to cherish and care for and support each other and
become the community we like to imagine. Our solidarity must go deeper than
we've ever known before. Solidarity means listening to each other with
respect, and being willing to protect and support people with whom we may
disagree on many levels, or who might simply irritate us. Solidarity means
strengthening our practice of direct democracy, our openness and
communication with each other,
our willingness to bring everyone to the table and give everyone affected
by a decision a voice in making it. It means putting aside our usual
internal politicking and maneuvering and treating each other with openness
and trust. This is not simple to do.
But in a moment when the ordinary patterns of life around us have been
shattered, shifting our own patterns of behavior may actually be easier.
Perspectives change, and the issues that last week seemed so important now
seem trivial.
What would this look like tactically, say, in DC two weeks from now? First,
we'd have to deliberately drop our assumptions, whether they are that
confrontation is always the strongest action, or that nonviolence is always
the most moral action, or that direct action is always our strategy of
choice, or that a march and a rally with

Re: [CTRL] Damn FEMA to hell!


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On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Fred R. Saluga wrote:
   I don't know if anyone picked up on an interview with someone from
FEMA on Fox Thursday night. When he was being interviewed, by the newscaster,
he statedWE GOT HERE MONDAY NIGHT AND DID NOT START WORK TILL TUESDAY. Could
have been a slip or he was to tired to know what day it was. But again, I
found it to be very interesting.

I've heard some other people refer to the disaster as happening on
Monday, so I would tend to think it's just tiredness and confusion over
what day it is...

But FEMA, if they WERE on the scene Tuesday, didn't start doing anything
until Friday afternoon, when it announced that it was officially in
charge and would only use its own personnel in the rescue and relief
effort, all others need not apply, leaving hundreds of volunteers -- many
trained in these areas -- cooling their heels.

This morning WCBS showed how there have been so many donations of
supplies, that they have spilled out onto the sidewalk from the staging
area, because FEMA claims they don't have enough people to process the
donations and get them delivered where they need to go; yet milling
around on that very same sidewalk, right next to those donations, are
hundreds of volunteers who were told their services aren't needed...

Prior to Friday afternoon, all these volunteers were being gladly
utilized, and the rescue and relief effort was going along smoothly;
since FEMA took over, it's ground to a snail's pace...


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Re: [CTRL] WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?


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On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Damaeus wrote:
 1941..THEY LIED about the attack on Pearl Harbor.
   (World War 2)

What was the lie about Pearl Harbor?

That it was a total surprise.  There is now evidence that FDR and the
higher ups in the military knew something was afoot, and could have
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[CTRL] [InTheShadows] Important Development??? (fwd)

2001-09-16 Thread Jei

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Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 6:36 PM
Subject: [InTheShadows] German police confirm Iranian deportee phoned
warnings

 http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_398414.html?menu=news.usterrorattac
 ks

 German police confirm Iranian deportee phoned warnings

 German police have confirmed an Iranian man phoned US police from his
 deportation cell to warn of the planned attack on the World Trade
 Centre.

 The Lower Saxony Justice Ministry has confirmed the man warned of the
 impending series of terrorist attacks, but had not been believed.

 Spokesman Frank Woesthoff said the man phoned America several times,
 but refused to give further details.

 He said the US Secret Service had not told the ministry about the calls
 received from the Langenhagen prison until after the attacks.

 I cannot say anything about the man and the ministry does not know the
 content of the conversations, he added.

 The Hanover daily newspaper Neue Presse reported the 29-year-old was
 dismissed as mentally unstable when he gave the warning of a terrorist
 attack to occur this week.

 The ministry would not reveal when the calls had been made.

 Story filed: 10:51 Friday 14th September 2001

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Softwar News

2001-09-16 Thread tnohava


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 No, I think that blame Clinton for the Twin Tower Terror is whiny
 crap

You seem a little twisted or paranoid, the subject matter was Clinton's
ability to sit on his lazy ass with regards to the USS Cole affair. In fact
he sat on his ass most of his presidency except for getting his Oral Sex and
Staining Dresses(his LEGACY) in the Oval Office, hob-knobbing with
Hollywood, Pardoning most anybody willing to make campaign contributions.

DUH again!

I think I'll experiment with the Rules Wizard in MS Office (killfile), don't
be surprised if you don't get a response on this one. Heh heh heh

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[CTRL] Gun Sales Up, Crime Down in Connecticut


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connection between the two events...  :-7

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Hartford (AP) --

The terrorist attacks that hit home this week have gun sales up and crime
down in the state.

John Kilburn, an assistant professor of criminology and sociology at
Eastern Connecticut State University noted that crime rates went down
during World War II.

Our aggressions are no longer on our neighbors, our partners or the guy
next to us at the bar, said Kilburn.

In Hartford, which had been coping with one of its highest homicide rates
in years, criminal activity is drastically down, said police Capt. Mark
Pawlina.

The whole mood on the street is very subdued, even among the drug
dealers and criminal element, Pawlina said.

Windham Heights, a housing project in Windham and frequent target of a
special drug task force, had American flags hanging from the sills or
from car antennas.

I drove around the Heights yesterday, and you could have heard a pin
drop, said police Sgt. Stephen Ostroski.

In the state's largest city, Bridgeport, Sgt. Raymond Masek said there
was an almost eerie calm over the city.

:It's been exceptionally quiet, Masek said.  The patriotism is
incredible, and I just think everyone is inside watching CNN.  There are
less people on the streets at night.

While the criminal element seems to be taking some time off, other people
seem to be taking their own defense initiatives and buying guns.

There have been reports of increased gun sales in parts of the state.

People are buying guns and ammunition because they are scared, said
Scott Hoffman, owner of Hoffman's Gun Center in Newington.

Hoffman reported selling four times as many guns since the terrorist
attack on New York and the Pentagon.

Many of the people who are buying guns now are those who would not
normally buy a gun in the past, Hoffman said, such as lawyers and
doctors.

People are worried about shortages, said Lawrence Irving, owner of
Newington Gun Exchange.  Irvine said his gun sales have doubled while his
ammunition sales have tripled.

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[CTRL] Boat Traffic Halted at Night on Thames River


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Boat Traffic Halted at Night on Thames River
(AP)

The Thames River near the U.S. Naval Submarine Base in New London will be
closed to boating traffic after dark because of security concerns.

The Coast Guard said Saturday that the restrictions came under orders
from the base's commander.

The section of the river between Bradley Point and Smith Cover will be
closed to all vessels between sunset and sunrise until further notice.

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[CTRL] Despite National Emotion, Theres No Rush to Enlist

2001-09-16 Thread radtimes


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September 16, 2001
THE SERVICES

Despite National Emotion, There's No Rush to Enlist

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/16/nyregion/16ENLI.html

By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON and AMY WALDMAN

Workers at the collapse site in Lower Manhattan greeted President Bush by
chanting U.S.A., U.S.A.! At memorial sites, there have been spontaneous
outbreaks of God Bless America.
American flags sprout from window boxes and moving trucks, on the helmets
of rescue workers and the electronic marquees of Times Square.
Yet while the armed services report a spike in the number of people
inquiring about enlistment and a near-doubling in the visitors to the
Army's online recruiter chat room, they also report no rise in actual
enlistments since the attack.
In contrast to the days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, when thousands of
young men got in line to sign up for combat, this time, with the apparent
loss of life much greater, there are no such lines. And many of the
expressions of interest have come from men too old to serve, according to
spokesmen for the national headquarters of all four recruiting commands.
These people in their 40's, these old guys, wanted to serve their country,
but the younger people just don't have any patriotism, said Staff Sgt.
Donald Wilson, a Marine Corps recruiter. The maximum age for Marine
recruits in most cases is 29.
Patriotism is not always the driving force behind military enlistment.
Still, some argue that these days may represent a test for a generation
largely detached from the military.
On Friday, James Young, 18, a high school senior from Rochester, joined the
Marines, the only person in the state's third-largest city to do so since
Tuesday. He said he had tried to persuade friends to sign up on Thursday
and was mocked.
They are all cowards, self-centered and afraid, said Mr. Young, a senior
at an alternative high school. They just wanted to get an education, get
women and get drunk.
Charles Moskos, a professor of military sociology at Northwestern
University, said the lack of enlistment reflected a trend of increasing
estrangement between the military and society. Baby boomers at least
grappled with whether to serve, even if many eventually did not. But since
the draft's repeal in 1972, only a small percentage of Americans have
served in the military, and even events like the Persian Gulf war failed to
drive many more to do so.
Flag-waving is not patriotism, Professor Moskos said.
The flag wavers, of course, would say differently. On Wednesday, with the
sun shining, Midtown Manhattan looked as if it were gearing up for a Fourth
of July parade. Robert Negron was selling flags at the corner of 34th
Street and Seventh Avenue for $1 apiece, and selling out.
The Palestinians are waving theirs, he boomed out. You should be waving
yours.
His goal, he said, was to create a snowball effect, and by Thursday, the
snowball was rolling. It was hard to go almost anywhere without seeing an
American flag.
Evaluating enlistment last week by comparing it with Pearl Harbor may be
unfair, given that this time around, the nation's leaders have yet to
decide whom to fight or how. Also, most of those joining the military these
days are driven less by patriotism than the desire for educational benefits
and skills training.
Still, last week's events seem certain to recalibrate the emotions even of
those already committed to serve.
Joshua Sanders, 18, lives in New City, N.Y., and had been recruited, as he
put it last week, after weighing a military career for two years. On
Friday, picking up some forms at the Times Square recruiting station, he
talked about how the attack had strengthened his commitment.
After what I saw on the news, he said, my blood started to boil.
In the days since the attack, many people have called in to the country's
thousands of service recruiting centers to find out how to help.
Maj. David C. Andersen of the Marine Corps said the corps' public affairs
office at 50th Street and Third Avenue had been getting 20 calls a day from
people saying they wanted to enlist. (For those interested: that office
does not process enlistments.)
In many communities, the recruiting centers are the military's most visible
presence, a fact that also has military officials worried. Spokesmen for
the recruiting commands said they were taking increased precautions to
ensure the safety of their recruiters and the facilities.
There are no such worries on the recruitment Web site for the Army,
goarmy.com, where the recruiter chat room was packed last week. The site is
logging about 743 visitors during a four-hour chat, up from 400 before the
attack, according to Mr. Smith. There have been 500 e-mail messages a day
to the Web site recently, up from 200.
The postings Friday afternoon were fervent: I want to help my country all
I can even if I have to die doing it!
If I enlist now will I get a shot at those responsible for the terrorist act?
How do I become a sniper?
Many chat-room visitors said they

[CTRL] Key Lockerbie Bombing Evidence NOT Investigated

KEY EVIDENCE ON LOCKERBIE BOMBING WAS NOT INVESTIGATED. SECURITY GUARD SAYS THE PAN AM BAGGAGE AREA AT HEATHROW WAS BROKEN INTO BEFORE THE FATAL FLIGHT

- THE MIRROR (UK) - Tuesday September 11th, 2001

Lockerbie: The Lost evidence. LOST FOR 12 YEARS

EXCLUSIVE

By David Pilditch

12:30am December 21st, 1988 Guard finds break-in at luggage bay

7:03pm December 21st, 1988 Pan Am jet blown up at Lockerbie.

MAY 3rd 2000 No sign of evidence at bomb trial,

SECURITY guard Ray Manly was stunned when his evidence of a potential bomb threat to Pan Am's Flight 103 was ignored by the Lockerbie trial.

The reason was simple - a statement he made to police disappeared and his information was overlooked. As a result, neither prosecution or defence knew a break-in had taken, place.

Shocked Mr Manly discovered a professional had sliced through a heavy duty padlock protecting Pan Am's baggage area at Heathrow's Terminal Three hours before the doomed flight took off.

It left the way clear for terrorists to steal a luggage tag and plant a suitcase bomb among baggage already X-rayed and ready for loading.

Although Mr Manly reported the break-in, it was NOT Investigated before take-off.

- Anti-terrorist police only questioned him about the incident the next month and never questioned him again.

And, 12 years later, there Is no sign of the statement or padlock which could hold vital forensic clues. A.

The new evidence could now play a crucial role in the appeal of convicted bomber Abdelbaset All Mohamet-- AI Megrahi who is serving life for the

outrage which killed 270.

'Mr Manly., 63 - who has since been questioned for three hours by prosecutors - told a friend: "I can't believe my evidence was not part of the trial and my statement went missing.

"A terrorist who wanted to put a bomb on that plane would have gained access to the perfect place. The luggage would not be checked again before being loaded on the plane.

"Although police took a statement, I never heard from anyone afterwards. When there was no mention of my evidence at the trial 1 rang police who put me in touch with the defence.

"They told me no one knew about my statement or the break-in. I find that just Incredible.

"My statement has disappeared and so has the padlock. No one can even tell me if it was tested for fingerprints.

"This has been weighing on my mind for over 12 years. At last ,someone is taking it seriously."

The Mirror has obtained copies of two sworn affidavits Mr Manly, who has arthritis, made to defence lawyers.

They will form a key part of Al Megrahi's appeal next year, Mr Manly may be called to give evidence.

The guard discovered the security breach at 12.30am on December 21, seventeen and a half hours before Flight 103 was ripped apart at 31,000ft.

At the time he was in charge of four staff stationed at numbered control posts on the public side of the airport to ensure only those authorised could enter the airside section.

One control post - CP2 - was on the ground floor of the terminal, leas than 5Oft from the Pan Am cheek-in desk.

It was next to the entrance to a Pan Am baggage area on the airside used for luggage too big to be processed by normal cheek-in procedures.

There was a door in a corridor linking the check-in area and the control post. But It was never locked.

A guard would be posted outside the rubber doors of the baggage entrance at all times when they were unlocked.

When there were no more bags to cheek in, the doors would be locked and a padlocked metal bar placed across.

Mr Manly, of Surbiton, Surrey, was making his rounds when he found the broken padlock.

He said in his statement to lawyers: "Position CP2 had been interfered with. The doors were closed.

"However, the padlock was on the floor to the left of the doors and had

been cut through in a way which suggested bolt cutters had been used. I reported my discovery to my night duty officer, Phil Radley and stayed at the post until I could be relieved.

"I did not search the area or enter into the airside through the door. No other person came to the scene.

"In the area airside of CP2, baggage containers for use inside aircraft were left. Loose baggage tagged for loading on to flights would also be left.

"In the cheek-in area Pan Am baggage labels of various types were left unsecured in desks.

"I believe it would have been possible for an unauthorised person to obtain tags for a particular Pan Am flight then, having broken the CP2 lock, to have introduced a tagged bag into the baggage build up area."

Now retired Mr Manly told his friend: "It was the most serious security breach that I came across in 17 years at Heathrow.

This was a professional job. It would have allowed an intruder direct access to the area where Pan Am bags were stored.

"The bags had come from other flights and would already have been tagged and X-rayed."

Mr Manly - who recorded the incident in a log book and an Incident report form - reported back to his supervisor who

Re: [CTRL] Millegan Stews - Revenge of the NWO


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In a message dated 9/16/01 12:19:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

OK Let's not get carried away. This suggestion is only a possibility. It
is not
likely that different movie production companies comspired to produce films
for
the purpose of preparing the public for September 11 2001. Movies don't
get made
that way.

J2


Movies get made where the money is. It is just a theory. But ya ever try and
get monies for a production? The movie business, just as the music business,
is highly controlled. And much is produced for propagandic purposes.  There
is even more to ads than just selling soap.

Om
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Re: [CTRL] Millegan Stews - Revenge of the NWO


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In a message dated 9/16/01 2:19:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
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   In a message dated 9/14/01 3:08:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
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All the worlds a stage declared William Shakespeare and it still holds
 true.
 With the recent Pearl Harbor extravaganza and spate of WWII movies a
 base
was
 laid for the current rallying cry.


 Excellent point -- never thought of the recent WW2 movies as being
used
 for
   this purpose.
  
   Samantha


  OK Let's not get carried away. This suggestion is only a possibility. It
is
 not
  likely that different movie production companies comspired to produce
films
 for
  the purpose of preparing the public for September 11 2001. Movies don't
get
 made
  that way.

  J2

  I won't get carried away if you will stop being condescending.  Kris made
an interesting connection that hadn't occurred to me.I clearly do think
it's possible that movies will be created as propaganda - more than possible
- it's already been done.  What about all those syrupy black  white WWII
movies America ingested years ago?   If that wasn't the movie industry making
propaganda films for the purposes of rewriting history  thought reform, what
was it?

  It hasn't escaped my notice that you challenged my CONCURRANCE with this
point rather than the ORIGINAL point.   Why is that?

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] Mood of the U.S.


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On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, thew wrote:
 7--the FAA and Army intelligence knew that multiple hijackings were in
 progress before any of the planes had crashed, yet failed to shoot them down
 www.msnbc.com/news/627524.asp

what nonsense ids this

until now, every hijacked plane landed and negotiations began.
the idea has always been to try to get the innocents off the plane

This was mentioned again this morning on another news show...

It's not nonsense...the FAA reported the hijackings to the Pentagon
shortly after 9am, after the 2nd plane hit the WTC; at 9:15 they reported
another hijacked plane was heading towards Washington.  Yet the fighter
planes didn't scramble until 9:27, and by the time they got to D.C., it
was too late.

The question that is being asked is why the delay, and how can the
procedure to scramble the fighters be tightened up?


what precedent was there to shoot down hundreds of innocents, before this
happened?

It's been SOP since WWII -- fighters are supposed to be scrambled to
shoot down any suspicious aircraft entering the no-fly zone areas of D.C.
That includes suspiciously acting civilian airlines.


June

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