date:20021213

Australia will be destroyed instantly if it launches a pre-emptive strike 
against terrorist targets in other countries, warns the man Western 
governments say is spiritual leader of the terrorist group accused of 
masterminding the Bali bombings.
Abu Bakar Bashir, the cleric said to be head of the recently banned 
South-East Asian group Jemaah Islamiah, said Australians would be dragged 
into a war with Muslims if they went along with the crazy idea of a 
pre-emptive strike floated recently by the Prime Minister, John Howard.
So, if John Howard's stance is followed by the people of Australia you 
must know that there will be war in the world and, God willing, Australia 
will be destroyed instantly due to the crazy idea of its Prime Minister.
Abu Bakar said that Australian people, God willing, have no problem with 
Islam but their leaders, like Mr Howard, do influence their people a lot 
to make enemies of Islam ... the incumbent prime minister is the ally of 
George W. Bush, the worst and most evil president in the world. John Howard 
is his ally.
Abu Bakar, who heads a militant Islamic boarding school in Central Java 
where thousands of young men have studied, also said suicide bombings were 
a noble thing when used in the defence of Islam.
Martyrs' bombs are a noble thing, a jihad of high value if you are forced 
to do it. For instance, in Palestine there is no other way to defend 
yourself and defend Islam.
All Ulamas [Muslim leaders] agree with martyrs' bombs because we are 
forced to do it. There is no other way to defend ourselves and to defend Islam.
Like my Muslim brothers in Palestine facing Israel, they are forced to do 
such a thing because of the unequal weapons.
Israel gets weapons supplied by Allah's enemy, the American Government, 
while the Palestinians do not have weapons that are capable of fighting 
back, so there is no other way but the martyr-bombers way.
Abu Bakar made his comments when answering a series of questions prepared 
by the Herald and put to him and recorded by one of his confidants in the 
police hospital in Jakarta on Wednesday.
The cleric is being held for questioning about a series of church bombings 
on Christmas Eve 2000.
In contrast with his comments in an interview with the Herald just after 
the Bali bombing, Abu Bakar expressed some sympathy for the victims of the 
attack, who he said appeared to be only ordinary tourists and not 
involved in attacking Islam.
However, he said Muslims had no choice but to defend themselves from 
attacks by the United States and its allies, including Australia.
... We are obliged to defend ourselves and attack people who attack 
Islam, he said.
In Islam there is no word for hands up, there is no word for surrender, 
there are only two things, win or die ... if infidels do want to attack 
Islam, fight Islam, so we are instructed to fight them.
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 December 2002


 Article Index   Product Contact Details
AlphaShield
by Jayne Parkhouse
FOR
As for ease of use, I think it's all been said: very neat, very easy to 
install and use and basically foolproof.
AGAINST
The auxiliary port should have a clear warning on it or the letters 'AUX' 
should be in red as a warning since it would be quite easy to mistakenly 
link up to it and not be security compliant.
VERDICT
Very easy, extremely simple and very effective.

Protecting your online experience and enabling a secure connection, whether 
cable, broadband, ISDN or wireless, is the only way to go these days. With 
so much emphasis on security, no one should be using any form of internet 
access without the necessary protection being put firmly in place. There 
are lots of new gizmos and large appliances on the market to choose from, 
and many offer other utilities along with the initial security offering, 
such as added anti-virus or built-in intrusion detection. But for some, who 
have already spent their budget on these security applications, a box that 
separates the big bad world from you and your computer is probably the way 
forward.

AlphaShield is a small box a little bigger than a deck of playing cards 
that can provide a physical barrier between the internet and your system. 
Now that most people are using an always-on connection the need to tighten 
our security practices is greater than ever. This box delivers a 
'plug-and-play' experience that requires no software or configuration 
changes and therefore can be easily and quickly added to your overall 
security without any mishaps. Often the point of applying a new security 
application, whether it is software or hardware, is lost when the 
configuration settings conflict with other applications and a new hole is 
opened up in your defenses, so this type of device is a godsend if you 
aren't that computer-savvy.

The product uses a technology which the developers call AlphaGap. This 
enables a quick installation with no assigned IP address; it also means 
that your computer is provided with IP address anonymity. This is because 
the AlphaShield sits between the live internet connection and the computer, 
concealing its identity from the outside world. The developers express the 
workings of the AlphaShield as possessing non-volatile memory. This means 
that it can't be altered and its proprietary operating code stored within 
is safe from both hacker and user intervention. As it is protected from 
change it can't be circumnavigated; the only time protection is deemed 
useless is when it is physically unplugged and the internet connection is 
reinstated without the AlphaShield in place.

Using its real-time packet authorization (RPA) and stealth technology, the 
connection made to either the network or internet remains secure, affording 
the user data protection while connected to either source. It also offers 
an auxiliary port to allow other IP devices to be connected, but although 
it provides another socket for, say, a VoIP connection, be warned that this 
port offers no security so do not use this as your computer connection. 
Because it requires no software to be installed, AlphaShield is totally 
operating system independent and can be used no matter what platform you 
are running on. This gives you far greater flexibility than some of the 
other network security devices that do a similar job.

AlphaShield is also apparently immune from viruses and other attacks, 
although we did not test this claim. Being plug-and-play does mean that it 
can be used for mobile computing too and the user has the benefit of 
utilizing its security capabilities in the home office when telecommuting. 
Another benefit that became apparent was the lack of hardware conflict 
between the already installed router and firewall so it was not necessary 
to change any settings at all.

It comes with an AC adapter (universal 9 volt DC adapter) that provides the 
power source required to run the AlphaShield and it is also supplied with a 
RJ-45 network cable that's about six feet (1.83m) long. A user's guide and 
an installation document are provided, but why you'd need these when it is 
so easy to install we couldn't see. Not that we're complaining; some of the 
documentation seen with other devices can leave a lot to be desired.

Once plugged in and working there are three modes to choose from: Lockout 
mode with a 15 minute physical disconnect; Auto mode, which keeps your 
connection live come what may; and the first choice, Manual mode, which 
provides a very acceptable 15 minute inactivity cut off that provides a 
disconnect. The manual mode is the one we preferred and it worked very 
well, giving off a flashing green LED to warn of an impending disconnection 
in approximately 30 seconds if we didn't intervene. You also get visual 
inbound and outbound data information from the LED as well as the connect 
and disconnect buttons on the top of the box.
Although

Blockades of military recruiters in Washington DC and Austin,

USA: ANTIWAR REPORT  Dec 12 2002
 Calls for Peace on International Human Rights Day

Marking International Human Rights Day, activists across the U.S. held 
demonstrations, vigils, civil disobedience actions, die-ins, and others 
events as part of a National Day of Protest Against the War. The nationwide 
event was called by United for Peace, a coalition of diverse groups working 
to stop the Bush regime's campaign to invade Iraq.

Actions on December 10 included blockades of military recruiters in 
Washington DC and Austin, to die-ins in Ithaca, to occupations of federal 
buildings in Chicago, Milwaukee, New York City, and Oakland, and various 
other actions throughout the country. In sum, over 100 persons were 
arrested nationwide for acts of civil disobedience.

Read: entire feature | Dec 11 feature | Dec 10 feature

[ United for Peace ]

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Former 9/11 detainee files $20 million civil rights suit
From Phil Hirschkorn
CNN
Thursday, December 12, 2002 Posted: 3:55 PM EST (2055 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- An Egyptian exchange student once accused of lying to 
federal investigators and held as a September 11 detainee filed a civil 
rights lawsuit Thursday seeking $20 million in damages.

The action by Abdallah Higazy, 31, came less than three weeks after 
prosecutors completed a court-ordered investigation that exonerated FBI 
agents involved in his case.

Higazy is suing FBI agent Michael Templeton, who administered a disputed 
lie detector test that was central to the aborted prosecution. He is one of 
the five named defendants in Higazy's complaint filed in Manhattan federal 
court.

Templeton extracted a false confession ... through coercion, threats, and 
intimidation, Higazy alleges.

The other defendants are Ronald Ferry, the former hotel security guard who 
framed Higazy by claiming to find a pilot's radio in the safe in his room; 
the Millennium hotel, across the street from the World Trade Center, where 
Higazy stayed on the 51st floor; the hotel's chief of security, Stuart 
Yule; and the Hilton Hotels Corporation, which manages the Millennium.

Higazy's problems started when Ferry, a former Newark, New Jersey police 
officer, told investigators he found the radio in Higazy's room. The 
hand-held radio, known as a transceiver, can be used by pilots for 
air-to-air or air-to-ground communication.

Higazy, who began a computer engineering graduate program at Polytechnic 
University in Brooklyn just one week before the September 11 hijackings, 
had been assigned by the school to live in the hotel until he found 
housing. He evacuated the hotel with other guests after the second hijacked 
plane slammed into the World Trade Center.

FBI agents detained Higazy as a material witness December 17, 2001, when he 
returned to the hotel to retrieve his personal belongings, including his 
passport and a Koran.

I was taken arrested put in solitary, confinement ,shackled, strip 
searched, Higazy recalled Thursday.

During the lie detector test 10 days later, Higazy falsely admitted the 
radio was his, the basis of the prosecution.

Higazy claims Templeton threatened him during the course of their session, 
that he mentioned his brother, living in upstate New York, and said, we'll 
make sure Egyptian security gives your family hell.

According to the government's report, Templeton interpreted Higazy's 
denials that he had participated in the September 11 attacks as lies.

Prosecutors charged Higazy with one count of lying to federal agents and 
kept him in custody for a month.

Three days after the charges against Higazy were made public, an American 
private pilot who was staying in a room one floor below Higazy's claimed 
the radio. Prosecutors dropped the charges two days later, and Higazy was 
released from custody in mid-January.

Higazy's suit accuses the Millennium Hilton of negligence in its hiring and 
training of Ferry and Yule, who passed Ferry's information to the FBI.

Ferry was convicted in March for lying to federal agents and sentenced to 
six months worth of weekends in prison.

Higazy is seeking $10 million in compensatory damages and $10 million in 
punitive damages.

There's really no way to calculate the harm that's been done to Mr. 
Higazy's reputation internationally, said attorney Robert Dunn. People 
still believe he has something to do with 9/11 and but for some 
technicality of some kind or another, he would be in jail. So his character 
has been besmirched internationally, his family and he have suffered 
extreme emotional distress, so there is really no way you can go to a 
calculator and punch up a number.

The attorney added that a Higazy suit against the government, including the 
FBI, is under consideration. There is a two-year statute of limitations 
for him to file that.

Over the past year, Higazy has gotten married and resumed his studies at 
Brooklyn Polytechnic, commuting from southern New Jersey. But he said he 
would like to see a psychiatrist about the experience of being wrongly 
accused.

I have had nightmares. A lot of time I wake up dreaming that the FBI wants 
to arrest me, Higazy said.

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PLEASE HELP US

2002-12-13 Thread marie201 marie

Dear Merciful ,

My name MARIE DISREA MPORA . I am from Liberia. I was
staying with my father at Korhogo  Cote dIvoire
where I attended secondary school until I passed out.
Few months ago I got admission into the University to
read economics. I then had to travel to my country
Liberia to get my father informed because of how
urgent the offer was. The admission offer came as my
father travelled down to my country to get some issues
settled.

As I got home, my father then arranged for us to go
to a suburb area of my country market where goods are
sold at cheaper prices to fetch some items for me to
get set to go to school. Little did we know of the
danger lying ahead of us on that day. Few minutes, we
arrived the market, that some Islamic militants (a
religious fanatic group) stormed the market and opened
a machine gun fire on the people thereby killing and
causing heavy casualties in the market.
Unfortunately, my father and my mother were shot dead
in that instance. At the same time leaving myself
badly injured as my left leg was totally condemned by
the machine gun bullets. I was also badly affected on
my left hand side breast which have almost left me
maimed for life.

Right now, a pastor friend to my late father Rev. Dr.
Alfaman of Grace Evangel church took me to specialist
hospital here in Cocody  Abidjan. The medical
officer in charge of the specialist hospital have
mandated that I be flown abroad for treatment. He said
if I am flown abroad that I stand the chance of
surviving but if not that my leg could be amputated. I
have refused that my leg should be amputated.

However, I dont have money for this. I love life and
I dont want to die now. Since my life I have never
begged but now circumstance has forces me to do it. I
therefore appeal and ask in the name of Jesus Christ
let somebody please kindly assist me financially. I
desperately need all kinds of help out of this mess. I
know and believe that our Jehovah God is able to
deliver me from the shackles of Satan. I cannot walk
now but my pastor and wife are assisting me as they
have stood by me ever since the occurrence. What I
need most is your prayers for Gods effectual healing.
Pray for me Judith of all people that God should
restore my soul as the (Bible) puts it that the
prayers of the saints availeth much. And moreover any
amount it is, kindly and mercifully send across to me
and my God Jehovah Jared will richly reward you in
diverse ways. Any money sent to me through my email or
my pastors email via Western Union will be received.

May God Almighty help you as you should help me Amen.

Thank you and God bless you.

Yours sister
MARIE DISREAL MPORA


NB: The doctor was not specific of the amount needed
for the treatment abroad. But we has maintained that
if we can raise part of the total amount needed that
he would assist me. He said therefore that if I can
raise up to (USD5,000) five Thousand United Stated
Dollars that he would see what he would do about it.
I therefore plead that as you help me out God will
never let you be in my condition. Amen

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Re: [MPUNKS] Cypherpunks December Mtg: HIGHFIRE Design Session

2002-12-13 Thread Bill Stewart

At 05:21 AM 12/13/2002 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote:

Dave Del Torto wrote:

 Resumes should be in plain
 ASCII text format with a PGP signature (detached sigs are OK) and on
 floppy disk or CD-R also containing a copy of the applicant's PGP
 public key.

Fuck off.

If you think that a PGP key is good enough, you don't know the threats you
are facing with GAK and the like. If you think a resume should be
required...
--
Peter Fairbrother


He didn't say you needed a resume to get into the meeting;
he said you needed it if you wanted to apply for a job
so they can show the people they're asking for grant money
that they've got a bunch of highly qualified people that
are interested in working on the project.
If it's like most projects, the resume is largely separate from
whether everybody knows whether you write great code quickly,
but it can be a hook to remind them who's interested.

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XSS flaw found at https://www.e-gold.com (fwd)

2002-12-13 Thread Eugen Leitl

-- Forwarded message --
Date: 10 Dec 2002 12:50:03 -
From: Liu Die Yu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: XSS flaw found at https://www.e-gold.com;

i know bugtraq doesn't accept vulnerability on one site, but the following 
info is important; please suggest a forum for me to post.

===--

XSSatEGOLD-Content-Tech

XSS flaw found at https://www.e-gold.com;

technically, it's nothing new. 

XSS at E-gold is very dangerous. E-gold is one of the most popular way to 
do international business. and unlike credit card system, e-gold sent, it 
never comes back. there is no refund policy. 

so stealing passphrase means stealing real gold. 

it's important, so i take it seriously.

[tested]
browser:MSIEv6 
time:2002/12/10 UTC+800

[demo]
at
http://www16.brinkster.com/liudieyu/XSSatEGOLD/XSSatEGOLD-MyPage.htm
or
http://clik.to/liudieyu ==XSSatEGOLD
or
[CODE.URL START]
https://www.e-gold.com/acct/historycsv.asp?
initial=1lt;SCRIPTgt;s=You_can_NOT_trust_this_page_if_you_got_if_from_a_
link.by_LiuDieYu_http://clik.to/liudieyu;w=window.open(https://www.e-
gold.com/acct/login.html);setTimeout(w.document.write
(s),150);lt;/SCRIPTgt;startmonth=12startday=4startyear=1996endmonth=12end
day=4endyear=2003paymentsreceived=1oldsort=tstamppage=1
[CODE.URL END]

[exp]

technically, there is only one thing important for XSS attackers:
some CGI can only be found when you are logged in, but they can be reached 
even if you are not logged in.
of course, the module dealing with logged-in users is different from the 
one dealing with un-logged-in users.
so, you have to test in both situations to ensure it's not XSS vulnerable.

[contact]
http://clik.to/liudieyu == how to contact liu die yu section

[BTW]
this flaw can be found easily with FASX at
http://clik.to/fasx

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Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:01:05 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

  society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in
  opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil
  liberties and civil rights?

 Stop watching TV ?


Interesting approach. But exactly how does that hinder the FBI 
demanding a booksellers customer list, or a library's patron 
check out record, or a black bag job on a personal computer, or 
thousands of CALEA taps, or the Total Information Awareness 
project, or the process of designating a US citizen as an enemy 
combatant, or the suspension of habeas corpus, etc.

I was not aware that simple management of my own eyeballs could 
have such dramatic, widespread, external effects on gangs of 
thugs with guns and high tech surveillance gear all carrying a 
do-whatever-you-like, get-out-of-jail-free card from the US 
Congress, and essentially no oversight. Is this kind of like 
mind control, or what?

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Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

A couple of lessons from the 1990 news report below. First, the 
violation of law by high government officials illegally selling 
shoulder fired missiles and other arms to Iran, and using the 
illegal profits to fund the illegal state-supported terrorism 
against Nicaragua, is not punished, as usual (Poindexter won on 
appeal based on his claim that he wouldn't have been convicted 
except for testimony given to congress under a grant of 
immunity). Second, you need not face any public accountability 
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$50 court assessment for each of the five counts.

Poindexter was convicted April 7 of conspiring to deceive 
Congress, making false statements to lawmakers and obstructing 
congressional inquiries into the Iran-Contra scandal.

Although Poindexter is the last of the original Iran-Contra 
defendants, a special prosecutor is still investigating the case 
and new indictments are still possible.

What Poindexter did when he lied to Congress was ``not a part of 
the normal political process,'' said Greene.

The judge said Poindexter, Lt. Col. Oliver North and others in 
Reagan's White House tried to ``nullify'' a decision by Congress 
to cut off aid to the rebel Nicaraguan Contras.

Congress is elected by the American people, Greene said, and its 
decisions cannot be ``nullified by appointed officials.'' 
Furthermore, he said, Poindexter and North ``engaged in the 
destruction of evidence on a large scale.''

Poindexter headed the White House effort to subvert Congress, 
Greene said, and a ``meaningful'' penalty was necessary to deter 
future activity by public officials.

Poindexter stood stiffly as Greene imposed the sentence. But he 
smiled at his chief lawyer, Richard Beckler, who said he would 
appeal.

Poindexter was accompanied by his wife, Linda, an Episcopal 
priest who wore her clerical collar, and his large legal team. 
He remained free, pending his appeal.

Beckler had asked Greene not to send Poindexter to prison, 
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personal profit from his actions in the Iran-Contra scandal. 
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John Poindexter entered the White House,'' Beckler said. ``The 
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elections in Eastern Europe, Beckler said.

Before imposing the prison sentence, Greene asked Poindexter if 
he wanted to speak. Poindexter stood up and said softly, ``Your 
honor, I don't have any comment.''

Chief prosecutor Dan Webb asked Greene to put Poindexter behind 
bars, saying he and ``a very misguided and confused Marine 
lieutenant colonel'' -- North -- ``operated a private war in the 
nation of Nicaragua.''

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deliberate campaign of lies, deception and obstruction.

Webb also noted that Poindexter ``destroyed the single most 
important document in the case'' -- a document signed by Ronald 
Reagan authorizing a direct arms-for-hostages deal with Iran in 
an effort to free Americans held in Lebanon.

Although Poindexter did not testify during his trial, he told 
Congress in nationally televised testimony during the summer of 
1987 that he never told Reagan about the subsequent diversion of 
Iran arms sale profits to assist the Contras. Congress had 
banned such Contra aid.

Poindexter said he destroyed the diversion document because it 
would cause grave political damage to Reagan.

Webb later told reporters: ``We think the sentence imposed today 
by Judge Greene is a fair and proper sentence.''

Poindexter was the head of his class at the Naval Academy and 
had a brilliant Navy career until the Iran-Contra scandal 
erupted in November
1986. He faced a maximum possible sentence of 25 years in prison 
and
$1.25 million in fines.

Greene said he would have imposed a harsher sentence -- 21 to 27 
months

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:43:53 +, you wrote:
 If you don't choose to use these methods, the consequences are up to you.
 But secure comms alone will only provide you with useful information, by
 themselves they aren't enough; you need to vote. Lots of you.

 Nothing else really matters. To them, and you.

 --
 Peter Fairbrother

Vote? Are you kidding? OK, here is your task. Since all but one 
member of congress voted FOR the USA PATRIOT ACT, exactly what 
party or what candidates do you suggest be elected in support of 
civil liberties in the US? You don't seem to get this. Or on 
Iraq, the democrat and republican leadership, and the republican 
and democrat majority in both houses of congress voted for the 
carte blanche Iraq war resolution. Exactly who is a voter to 
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We can always pretend we actually have a choice by voting for 
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Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

 Spot on. But what, if anything, do you think can be done to
 reverse this slide to Red White and Blue Stalinism with good PR?
 I trust you are not one of those who will prattle something like
 exercise your right to vote, or write your
 congressperson/MP, etc. In practical terms, in a surveillance
 society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in
 opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil
 liberties and civil rights?

 Do we need a program to oppose the progrom?

See Gilmore's proposal.  Consider the meaning of
reverse-panopticon.  Find federal employees
and let them know we're watching you but don't
identify we.  Publish public info.  Do this
for executives in firms that pander to the Evil.
Not just e.g., Ellison ---there are more next-level-down
underlings who might just live in your neighborhood.

Anyone got ideas for a neighborhood watch type
sticker which expresses the reverse-panopticon
visually?

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Re: Gilmore's response

At 12:43 PM 12/13/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Gilmore's legal response to secret laws, etc.

http://cryptome.org/gilmore-v-usa-god.htm


I have a possible trip coming up soon.  I intend to have my tickets 
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Re: Gilmore's response

2002-12-13 Thread Marshall Clow

At 1:38 PM -0500 12/13/02, Adam Shostack wrote:
PS: Current news in Canada includes the gun registry having undergone
a 12x cost overrun, and its not clear what will happen to it.  A large
reason for the overruns have been people making mistakes in filling
out the complex forms, and thus slowing down implementation. 
http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/12/12/guns011212

I think its time for me to go get a gun permit, and help the proces
along.

Adam -

The article that you linked to claims that the projected cost of the
gun registry was $2 million, and the actual cost was (so far) $680 million.

That's a bit more than 12x :-)
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Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Morlock Elloi

 Interesting approach. But exactly how does that hinder the FBI 
 demanding a booksellers customer list, or a library's patron 
 check out record, or a black bag job on a personal computer, or 
 thousands of CALEA taps, or the Total Information Awareness 
 project, or the process of designating a US citizen as an enemy 
 combatant, or the suspension of habeas corpus, etc.
 
 I was not aware that simple management of my own eyeballs could 
 have such dramatic, widespread, external effects on gangs of 
 thugs with guns and high tech surveillance gear all carrying a 
 do-whatever-you-like, get-out-of-jail-free card from the US 
 Congress, and essentially no oversight. Is this kind of like 
 mind control, or what?

Do not underestimate the power of detox.

Guns et al are just symbols, 99.999% of proles are kept at bay with software.
It is economically unfeasible to use hardware for that.

Take a look at happenings in the last decade in europe - anti-comm uprisings
had one and only one focal point - TV stations.

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Re: Gilmore's response

On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:54:06AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
| At 1:38 PM -0500 12/13/02, Adam Shostack wrote:
| PS: Current news in Canada includes the gun registry having undergone
| a 12x cost overrun, and its not clear what will happen to it.  A large
| reason for the overruns have been people making mistakes in filling
| out the complex forms, and thus slowing down implementation. 
| http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/12/12/guns011212
| 
| I think its time for me to go get a gun permit, and help the proces
| along.
| 
| Adam -
| 
| The article that you linked to claims that the projected cost of the
| gun registry was $2 million, and the actual cost was (so far) $680 million.
| 
| That's a bit more than 12x :-)

Yeah, that was a marketing claim as they put the program forward, as I
recall.  The original budgeted number was 85 million, and current
projections are that it will cost upwards of a billion to complete.
Of course, I could be totally off.

Adam

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control of what you see: copyright, Cleanflicks, DVDs, Hollywood, edits and bleeps

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

A story on
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-clean13dec13,0,6042993.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dbusiness

notes:

Eight major film companies are expected to file
copyright infringement claims as early as today against
CleanFlicks of Colorado and other firms that alter
movies to remove scenes and language they deem
offensive

Interestingly, media-players with the ability to skip content
are being drawn into the battle:

Others sell software that lets consumers edit a DVD copy to
their own specifications. .

for instance

Robert Huntsman, an Idaho copyright lawyer
who joined CleanFlicks in filing the original complaint after inventing
a technology
that hides film content without actually altering it.

Note that the user's *ability* to control *playback* has not been
allowed
by Hollywood's DVD goons ---you can't skip the offensive FBI
warnings. And Hollywood would like to make skipping commercials on
your PVR illegal or imposible too.

Note that the DVD goons maintain *their* ability to control
playback, e.g., region coding.

Note that if the DVD goons actually persecute Johansson etc.
then technology will *not* be a solution to the social problem of
DVD goon control, since Men With Guns will use force. Which is
a whole lot different than simply being unable to buy a licensed player
with the features you want.

The most delicious part of the fracas is that the Mormons can brandish
Hollywood violence in a PR campaign against Hollywood control.
Won't anyone think of the chiiildren? The ghost of Tipper Whore^H^HGore

has come back to bite Valenti in the arse..

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The moral solution is quite simple. You can't edit someone else's
content for sale,
that's copyright. But you can't stop folks from selling devices that
read
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bleeping/skipping
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A Few Words About Palladium

2002-12-13 Thread Nomen Nescio

According to the message below, Palladium will not include a serial
number revocation list, document revocation list, or similar
mechanism to delete pirated music and other unauthorized content.
These claims have been made most vocally by Ross Anderson in his TCPA
FAQ, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html, and by Lucky Green
in his DefCon presentation, http://www.cypherpunks.to/.

Instead, the point of Palladium is to create a decentralized, trusted
computing base... whose integrity can be audited by anyone.  This is
accomplished, as has been discussed at length here and elsewhere,
by hardware which can compute a secure hash of software as it loads,
and which can attest to this hash via cryptographic signatures sent to
remote systems.  This functionality allows software to prove to third
parties that it is running unmolested, which is the basic functionality
provided by Palladium.

Unfortunately, the exaggerated and misleading claims in the links above
are accepted as truth by most readers, and a false picture of Palladium
is virtually universal on the net.  Isn't it time for security experts
to take a responsible position on this technology, and to speak out
against the spread of these falsehoods?


 A Few Words About Palladium 
 By John Manferdelli, General Manager, Trusted Platform Technologies,
 Microsoft Corporation

 As you may know, I spent some time on the road in the UK in
 November. During my visit, I had the chance to meet some of you at
 the Meet the Technologists breakfast at the Microsoft Campus in
 Reading. Thanks to those of you who were able to attend. It was a great
 chance to engage in frank discussions about some of the more controversial
 topics surrounding Palladium.

 One of the issues we discussed was whether Palladium would include
 mechanisms that would delete pirated music or other content under remote
 control or otherwise disable or censor content, files, or programs running
 on Windows. The truth is, Palladium will not disable any content or file
 that currently runs. Palladium was designed so that no policy will be
 imposed that is not approved by the user. Microsoft is firmly opposed to
 putting policing functions into Palladium and we have no intention of
 doing so. The machine owners - whether an individual or enterprise - have
 sole discretion to determine what programs run under Palladium. Programs
 that run under Palladium, just like programs that run under Windows,
 will do whatever they are allowed to do, based on the security settings
 on the user's machine. Palladium not only respects existing user controls,
 it strengthens them.

 What Palladium does change is the ability for software to be protected
 from other software. Palladium will enable and safeguard a decentralized
 trusted computing base on open systems.  These security-oriented
 capabilities in Windows will be enabled by a relatively small change in
 hardware, and will help transform the PC into a platform that can perform
 trusted operations that span multiple computers under a trust policy that
 can be dynamically created and whose integrity can be authenticated by
 anyone. In addition, it will preserve the flexibility and extensibility
 that contributes so much to the entire PC ecosystem.

 I hope to have an opportunity to meet more of you in the New Year. We'll
 keep you posted about Palladium-related industry events and other Meet
 the Technologist opportunities.

 Happy holidays!
 - John Manferdelli

 P.S. While I was in London, I also had the opportunity to speak about
 Trustworthy Computing and the Palladium initiative at the Trusted
 Computing Masterclass in London. The event included participants from
 Hewlett Packard Labs, Red Hat, and Cambridge University, among others. You
 can read more about the event at www.netproject.com.

Re: A Few Words About Palladium

2002-12-13 Thread alan

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote:

 According to the message below, Palladium will not include a serial
 number revocation list, document revocation list, or similar
 mechanism to delete pirated music and other unauthorized content.
 These claims have been made most vocally by Ross Anderson in his TCPA
 FAQ, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html, and by Lucky Green
 in his DefCon presentation, http://www.cypherpunks.to/.
 
 Instead, the point of Palladium is to create a decentralized, trusted
 computing base... whose integrity can be audited by anyone.  This is
 accomplished, as has been discussed at length here and elsewhere,
 by hardware which can compute a secure hash of software as it loads,
 and which can attest to this hash via cryptographic signatures sent to
 remote systems.  This functionality allows software to prove to third
 parties that it is running unmolested, which is the basic functionality
 provided by Palladium.
 
 Unfortunately, the exaggerated and misleading claims in the links above
 are accepted as truth by most readers, and a false picture of Palladium
 is virtually universal on the net.  Isn't it time for security experts
 to take a responsible position on this technology, and to speak out
 against the spread of these falsehoods?

All of this is speculation until the system is actually implemented.

The questions are Who do you trust? and Do their interests coincide 
with yours?. 

I do not trust Microsoft as far as I can throw them.  They have 
demonstrated in the past that security for them means the check 
cleared.  There have been too many holes, backdoors, and outright 
sabotage of competitors that they have lost any credibility with me.  And 
since they are unwilling to publish source, the code is suspect from the 
start.  (I doubt if they will let a third party that i trust audit the 
software without 42 levels of NDAs and a lein on their immortal souls.)

There are other projects to insure that the software running at the kernel 
level is authorised via cryptographic checksums.  (Both in BSD and in 
Linux.) 

What users are (rightfully) afraid of is that this is yet another effort 
to remove control from the users over what software they can use and how 
they can use it.

Microsoft has already used this method to control just what types of 
protocols and video drivers could be used under Windows terminal server.  
(You had to have the app sighed by Microsoft in order to run and they 
wouldn't sign certain compeating protocols.)  This method was bypassed by 
some interesting hackery, BTW. (Thou shalt not split thy open calls.)

So far the only examples we have is that of Microsoft's past behaviour.  
It is not oriented for your security or mine, but of theirs.

The fear is justified. (And ancient.) 

 
 
  A Few Words About Palladium 
  By John Manferdelli, General Manager, Trusted Platform Technologies,
  Microsoft Corporation
 
  As you may know, I spent some time on the road in the UK in
  November. During my visit, I had the chance to meet some of you at
  the Meet the Technologists breakfast at the Microsoft Campus in
  Reading. Thanks to those of you who were able to attend. It was a great
  chance to engage in frank discussions about some of the more controversial
  topics surrounding Palladium.
 
  One of the issues we discussed was whether Palladium would include
  mechanisms that would delete pirated music or other content under remote
  control or otherwise disable or censor content, files, or programs running
  on Windows. The truth is, Palladium will not disable any content or file
  that currently runs. Palladium was designed so that no policy will be
  imposed that is not approved by the user. Microsoft is firmly opposed to
  putting policing functions into Palladium and we have no intention of
  doing so. The machine owners - whether an individual or enterprise - have
  sole discretion to determine what programs run under Palladium. Programs
  that run under Palladium, just like programs that run under Windows,
  will do whatever they are allowed to do, based on the security settings
  on the user's machine. Palladium not only respects existing user controls,
  it strengthens them.
 
  What Palladium does change is the ability for software to be protected
  from other software. Palladium will enable and safeguard a decentralized
  trusted computing base on open systems.  These security-oriented
  capabilities in Windows will be enabled by a relatively small change in
  hardware, and will help transform the PC into a platform that can perform
  trusted operations that span multiple computers under a trust policy that
  can be dynamically created and whose integrity can be authenticated by
  anyone. In addition, it will preserve the flexibility and extensibility
  that contributes so much to the entire PC ecosystem.
 
  I hope to have an opportunity to meet more of you in the New Year. We'll
  keep you posted about Palladium-related industry

[Brinworld] Cameras mulled for neighborhood watch

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20021213-96845895.htm

Cameras mulled for neighborhood watch[Image]
By Brian DeBose
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
[Image]

 The D.C. Council yesterday debated a bill to put District
neighborhoods under video surveillance under a pilot program to test the
effectiveness of cameras on street crime.
It is almost out of necessity that I support them because we don't
have meaningful police presence in our neighborhoods, said council
member Jim Graham, Ward 1 Democrat.
 Adrian Fenty, Ward 4 Democrat, and other council members said that
they feared such a pilot program would lead to an unstoppable
proliferation of the technology in the District.
 I am struggling to find support for these cameras, given the
constitutional issues being raised, Mr. Fenty said.
 He added that not counting the cameras installed downtown by the
Metropolitan Police Department, federal agencies have cameras 
possibly hundreds  that Congress and the council are not aware of.
 The Judiciary Committee hearing was sponsored by Kathy Patterson,
Ward 3 Democrat, who introduced the legislation last month.
 Phil Mendelson, at-large Democrat, said the best police work comes
from good investigative work and increased presence of officers, not
sitting in a chair staring at monitors.
 The measure being considered would allow video surveillance for
specified law-enforcement, security and traffic management. Tapes would
have to be destroyed in 10 days, and a court order would be necessary to
allow the cameras to zoom in on faces.
 The bill would also prohibit the use of facial-recognition
technology to match faces on videotape with photos of wanted people. If
passed, the bill could also open the door for camera surveillance in
neighborhoods that want it.
 At least one neighborhood  Hillcrest in Southeast  has expressed
interest in having the cameras watch over its streets.
 We propose that Hillcrest be part of that pilot project in
preventing, deterring, or investigating crime, the Rev. Franklin
Senger, president of the Hillcrest Community Civic Association, wrote in
a letter to Mrs. Patterson.
 Mr. Graham and Sharon Ambrose, Ward 6 Democrat, said that residents
of their wards are so fed up with inadequate police protection that
they, too, are looking at cameras as a viable option to deter crime.
 The Washington Times reported last month that the council passed
legislation to regulate the police department's use of surveillance
cameras to monitor monuments, federal buildings and downtown public
venues, but not without some heated debate and indecision.
 The council members originally rejected the legislation 7-6, then
passed it when Sandy Allen, Ward 8 Democrat, reversed her position.
Several members then considered introducing legislation to eliminate the
cameras altogether.
  Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey told The Times earlier this week
that the level of opposition was unexpected.
 I was surprised by their reaction last month, he said. I
understand the issues surrounding the cameras, but I don't think you
need to throw out the baby with the bath water.
 Chief Ramsey also said the cameras are handy because he cannot put
an officer at every potential terrorist target in the District.
 Privacy and security experts from across the country also are
debating the issue with council members.
 The one proven effect these cameras have on crime is displacement,
and if that is the only advantage then all you get is the illusion of
security, said Barry Steinhardt, the American Civil Liberties Union's
director for technology and liberty programs.
 Grant Frederick, a forensic video expert, said most police
departments are unqualified to thoroughly study the effect of such
cameras on any society and lack skills to administer the technology
effectively.
 Although I do believe state-monitored cameras infringe on privacy,
closed-circuit cameras do bring some benefits, he said.
 Mr. Frederick said studies show that cameras encourage witnesses to
come forward out of fear that the camera caught them observing the
crime.
 Chief Ramsey said he hopes that's true because one of the main
reasons detectives are closing fewer homicide cases is a lack of witness
cooperation.
 Mr. Frederick said, however, that adding cameras would require more
officers, and staffing is a persistent problem with the D.C. police.
 The system fails without a steady stream of officers available to
get to a crime scene picked up on camera, he said, because the
criminals will become aware that the surveillance doesn't necessarily
mean they will be apprehended.

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War on drugs...

2002-12-13 Thread Vayu Anonymous Remailer

The response of the apparatchiks is to increase the penalties until

 we're all cowed, like they did in the old war on drugs.



As long as they are that successful, we don't have too much to worry

about!  Besides, the CIA ships more drugs into the US than all the

other cartels combined.



Uh...I'd point out that this is no coincidence. The Conpiracy Theorist would say that 
the War on Drugs was precisely the CIA's way to keep its own drug prices high and 
continue funding their own little activites.



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Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Furlong

On Friday 13 December 2002 11:44, Trei, Peter wrote:

 ... this sort
 of thing could give the Libertarian Party legs,
 if they handled it right.

Hahahahahahaha

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42KB) (Password
 Protected Word 42KB)
 Liability Information Sheet (Password
Protected)
 Instructions for Billing TSA Under Local Law
Enforcement
 MOAs/OTAs (Word 31KB)
 Security Technology Deployment Office (STDO)
 FSD Contact List (Excel 78KB)

(docs are at URL
http://129.33.119.130/public/interweb/assetlibrary/LEO_FAQ.doc etc.)

The files seem to be Word 9.0 and contain the following plaintext
(probably author): Todd Watanabe

Amusingly, the Liability doc is *not* encrypted, and contains the
largely boring:

Transportation Security Administration (TSA)

Agency Position on the Issue of Liability in Context of the Memoranda of
Agreement to reimburse for Local Law Enforcement presence:

Except as provided below, TSA and Local law enforcement agencies will be
responsible for the negligent or wrongful acts or omissions of their
respective employees.  Legal representation by the United States is
determined by the United States Department of Justice (USDOJ) on a
case-by-case basis.  TSA cannot guarantee that the United States will
provide legal representation to any Federal, State, or local law
enforcement officer.

Under the Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA), 28 U.S.C. '' 1346(b),
2671-2680, the exclusive remedy for the negligent or wrongful act or
omission of an employee of the United States, acting within the scope of
his or her employment, is an action against the United States.  A State
or local officer who has been deputized as a United States Marshal, or
is acting under the direct supervision or control of a Federal officer,
may be considered an employee of the United States if USDOJ certifies
that the individual defendant was acting within the scope of his or her
employment at the time of the incident giving rise to the suit.  The
United States can then be substituted for the employee as the sole
defendant with respect to any tort claims, and the individual employee
is thereby protected from suits in his official capacity.

Deputization by the U.S. Marshal Service cannot be accomplished
unilaterally by a local law enforcement authority.  State or local
agencies that wish to have their officers deputized for purposes of
working with TSA must apply through TSA.  For more information, please
contact Joseph J. DePalma, at (202)-493-1289.  NOTE:  This number should
not be used if you are interested in employment as a LEO.

Please note that the question of whether a state or local officer has
acted within the scope of federal employment is a factual issue that
must be determined on a case-by-case basis.
If USDOJ declines to certify that the individual defendant was acting
within the scope of federal employment, the officer may petition to the
court to find that he or she was so acting.  28 U.S.C. ' 2679(d)(3).
Otherwise, it is expected that the individuals employing State or local
agency will, in its discretion, assert such defenses as may be available
under applicable State law.  If an officer or agent undertakes any
negligent or willful acts outside the terms of the agreement between the
TSA and the local agency, liability for those acts will be the sole
responsibility of the agent or officer and agency involved.

A Federal officer or employee who engages in violations of Federal
constitutional law may be personally liable under Bivens v. Six Unknown
Named Agents of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 403 U.S. 388 (1971).  A
State or local officer or agent who engages in such violations may be
individually liable under 42 U.S.C. ' 1983.  Agents or officers may
request representation by USDOJ for civil suits against them in their
individual capacities for actions taken within the scope of employment
and under the terms of an agreement with TSA.  The determination whether
to grant representation will be made by USDOJ in accordance with 28
C.F.R. ' 50.15.  All requests for representation by USDOJ must be
coordinated through TSAs Office of Chief Counsel.

For more information, please contact Christian Jordan or Gregg Golden in
the TSA Chief Counsels office at:  (202) 493-1217.

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Campesinos Attack the Mexican Congress
by Hector Carreon

La Voz de Aztlan

Tenochtitlan - December 11, 2002 - (ACN) Rivaling the crisis in Venezuela 
and Argentina, thousands of well organized campesinos (agricultural 
workers) stormed and broke into the Mexican Congress yesterday forcing many 
of the congressmen to run for their lives and attempt to climb over the 
security fence surrounding the Palacio Legislativo de San Lazaro. The 
campesinos are in extreme desperation because of the worsening conditions 
in the agricultural sectors of Mexico and the lack of forthcoming solutions 
by the legislature.

Hundreds of the campesinos were able to penetrate into the congressional 
building after first parking 6 tractors in the front entrance to the 
building, spreading smelly manure and throwing rotten vegetables against 
the walls. The group was accompanied by 4 pigs, two that had the names of

President Vicente Fox and of Secretary of Foreign Relations Jorge C. 
Gutman. The campesinos were led by 14 jinetes (horseriders) carrying 
Mexican flags.

Four of the horseriders along with scores of the campesinos broke the glass 
facade, entered the building and headed towards the auditorium where 
congress was in session. Despite promptings by the President of the Mexican 
Congress, Beatriz Paredes Rangel, to the legislators to remain calm, many 
panicked and ran to the back of the building where they desperately tried 
to climb over the fence.

A spokesperson of the campesinos said Esto fue sólo una probadita which 
translates into This was just a little taste. A leader of the campesinos 
said that the problems in the farms are now more profound than an ordinary 
crisis. One yelled loudly, ¡ya estamos cansados de esperar soluciones que 
no llegan! (we are tired of waiting for solutions that never come!)

After the storming of the Mexican Congress, the campesinos, last night, 
divided themselves into groups and headed to form encampments in front of 
the headquarters of the Bancomer, Banamex, Banorte and Fovi banks.

Mexico could be headed for another full blown armed revolution. If it was 
not for immigration to the U.S. of many Mexican workers, the pressure on 
the economic and political system of Mexico, would have long ago caused a 
national explosion. Mexican workers in the US are now sending over 12 
billion dollars a year of their wages to their families in Mexico.

Many Mexican analysts blame this situation on the economic globalization 
policies of the USA and its support by the Fox Administration. Also, many 
analysts point to the immense external debt that Mexico owes to the 
international money lenders.

Argentina is now totally bankrupt because of its 30 billion external debt. 
The country can not even pay the yearly interest payments and the death of 
children of hunger is becoming more common. There are rumors in Mexico of 
an impending mass devaluation of the peso. This could be the spark for 
another Mexican revolution that would make the one in 1917 look like a 
Sunday picnic. Mexicans are not like the Argentines.

The storming and temporary taker over of the Mexican Congress yesterday by 
los campesinos is proof of this.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

This article along with a picture of a campesino on horseback inside the 
Mexican Congress and another of the congressmen panicking and attempting to 
climb a fence are published at:

http://www.aztlan.net/campesinos.htm
 Help the Lucy Parsons Center | TORONTO -- Open Anti-war Convergence 

Kame504 writes on Thursday December 12 2002 @ 11:47AM PST: [ reply | parent ]
Well if shit starts to go down, we should do everything we can to help it 
spread across the border into places like San Diego and LA. We may finally 
get our chance, so let's be ready.
  writes on Thursday December 12 2002 @ 12:49PM PST: [ reply | parent ]
you're kidding, right?

 chris writes on Thursday December 12 2002 @ 12:58PM PST: [ reply | parent ]
Uh, ready for what? You and the 200 other kids wearing black t-shirts to 
get arrested throwing rocks at the cops and shouting viva revolution?
chris

js writes on Thursday December 12 2002 @ 01:40PM PST: [ reply | parent ]
its ok to be scared chris
Kame504 writes on Thursday December 12 2002 @ 01:46PM PST: [ reply | parent ]
No I was thinking more like establishing contacts with Mexican anarchists 
and those that are involved in these organizations. We can then keep 
updated on their situations, publicize it for them in our own areas. This 
would be more relevant to folks in the South West, like PAC and SKAA (if 
that still exists). I know there have been efforts to link up anarchists 
south of the border with anarchists in the USA. If any kind of revolt 
breaks out, it would behoove us to help it spread and then take part in it 
ourselves if it came our way.
from_below writes on Thursday December 12 2002 @ 03:39PM PST: [ reply | 
parent ]
i agree with kame504. in my opinion, too many anarchists are busy imagining 
the

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 From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have a possible trip coming up soon.  I intend to have my tickets
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need to
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| 
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Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Landon Dyer

At 10:06 AM 12/13/2002 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:


See Gilmore's proposal.  Consider the meaning of
reverse-panopticon.  Find federal employees
and let them know we're watching you but don't
identify we.  Publish public info.  Do this
for executives in firms that pander to the Evil.
Not just e.g., Ellison ---there are more next-level-down
underlings who might just live in your neighborhood.

Anyone got ideas for a neighborhood watch type
sticker which expresses the reverse-panopticon
visually?


  sure, I took a stab at this.  i'm not much of an artist, but what the heck:

http://fyyff.com/images/binocSmall.jpg

http://fyyff.com/images/binocCounted.jpg


  (after a gary larson _far side_ cartoon that also used binoculars...)


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Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'SHotel

2002-12-13 Thread Jim Choate


On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:

 Well, this is for me not an easy issue. Amerika has always had a hard-on for
 fascism (as long as it was in the service of freedom), and as a result the
 pendulum seems to swing pretty wildly at times.

It's not America, it's people.

Some have compared the concept of 'paper protection' of rights as
worthless, yet the countries who do have such protection are the ones
where the centralization of power in an elite is the most hindered.

 Crypto is for me primarily a way to send information to somebody else
 without worrying if a third party hears it. This may be financial data, it
 may be personal information.

They can't understand it, they can certainly capture the transmission
which maps directly to 'hearing', and they can certainly learn the
'language' (ie crack the crypto) if given enough time and effort.

 In a state where crypto (and hence my right to communicate discretely) is
 resisted, it then transforms into a means of resistance and possible
 preservation of residual freedoms.

No, it actually acts as evidence of your intent. Using crypto in Russia,
China, or France for example will not protect you, it will single you out
of the crowd.

The only place crypto will work is where there is no real consequence for
using it with regards to the law. It's an empty promise of protection.

 and only for reasons that have undeniable need (WW2 is an example, as was
 the Chinese Communist reaction to the Nationalist's non-response to Japanese
 Genocide in China).

The term you're looking for is 'self-defence'.

 In this sense, then, strong Crypto, Ubiquitous WiFi/Broadband, P2P, Blacknet
 and so on are for me tools with which to head off scenarios where violence
 might otherwise be the only reasonable recourse.

Gibberish, the use of any of these -requires- the consent of the powers
that be by -not- regulating them. Take WiFi for example, if it were not
sanctioned by the FCC then it wouldn't exist, and if you built such
devices you would in fact be saying 'Here I am, come get me', not to
mention that in such a situation the ability of others to use it (you're
using it is worthless if 'they' don't use it also) is severely
constrained. This leads to the classic OTP key sharing problem of a
'secure channel'.

 close, though.) What I DO hope is that via the proliferation of such (and
 other) technologies, the very notions of limiting speech (whether by good
 guys or bad guys), surveillance of on-line activites, and so on, become
 anachronistic, perhaps even non-concepts.

The only way this stuff will work is to become so common that people can't
think of their lives without it, that it is used so deeply day to day that
it becomes a necessity. That will -require- some sort of willingness on
the part of the governing bodies to allow it. The only way that will
happen is to apply the technology in a broad swath of applications
-before- the regulatory agencies really understand the consequences.


 --


We don't see things as they are,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
we see them as we are.   www.ssz.com
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anais Nin www.open-forge.org

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Morlock Elloi

 society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in 
 opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil 
 liberties and civil rights?

Stop watching TV ?


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Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

-- Forwarded Message
From: Marc Hedlund [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:13:11 -0800 (PST)
To: Dave Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The TIA and fighting terrorism

We could be taking this approach, but we're not. We could be improving
the ability of local law enforcement to detect terrorism -- but
instead we're degrading that ability, since we're shifting the FBI's
traditional crime-fighting work onto local resources. The one method
that has actually prevented a terrorist attack on US soil is not being
used, and is instead being inhibited. We are focusing on centralizing
intelligence and resources when instead -- or at least in addition --
we should be decomposing, distributing, decentralizing.

We could be seriously examining the contributions of U.S. behavior around 
the world to catalyzing asymmetrical warfare but we're not.  We could be 
considering that the reason U.S. military are prime targets the world over 
for disgruntled foreigners is that we have armed forces in over 100 
countries (mostly invited by friendly regimes on the dole who rarely find 
their own citizens supporting a U.S. presence).  How many has Britain, 
France or Germany?  When was the last time we heard of their troops being 
attacked outside of a war zone or former war zone?  When was the last time 
you saw a British, French or German soldier walking down a U.S. street?

If we want world peace we must work for world justice.  I suggest we cannot 
simultaneously have empire, security and liberty.  It is time to choose.

steve

RE: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-13 Thread R. A. Hettinga

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Hash: SHA1

At 6:11 PM -0800 on 12/12/02, Lucky Green wrote:


 Agreed. A few years ago, some would advocate that on the Internet,
 no national laws apply. This was, of course, nonsense. Instead,
 every single national, regional, and local law in effect today
 anywhere in the world applies to anything you do to the extent that
 said law can be enforced.

Everything illegal everywhere all the time.


A legislative singularity akin to early modern discoveries in physics
(the end of the geocentric universe) and engineering (peasant-fired
projectile weapons making noble armor obsolete) once and forever
violating the laws of god.


The next trick will be to drive a stake into the heart of modern
society's  present mystification of identity and is-a-person
credentials by moving money and financial assets, significantly
cheaper than we do now, using systems that don't require identity at
all to clear and settle transactions. Systems which are,
paradoxically, cheaper *because* they're anonymous, or at least,
identity agnostic, just like physics is religiously agnostic.


If that works, sooner or later we'll have the technical equivalent of
the thirty years' war, which only the ubiquitous and instantaneous
application or threat of  private, local, force will solve. The
result will be a software/protocol Treaty of Westphalia, giving us
actual markets for force instead of confiscatory monopolies for same.

In the end, if necessary we'll know, absolutely, where *every*body
is, and what they're doing, all the time, because we'll all be
watching our *own* stuff, supervising our *own* property with our
*own* equipment, like, um, god, meant us to do :-). But,
paradoxically, because it'll be cheaper and more secure to do
instantaneously-settled functionally anonymous transactions, we won't
know, we won't *care* where anybody gets, spends, or invests their
money, and we won't give damn about it because it works better than
the Friedmanian mummenschantz(1) we currently call law and order.
Markets will create better order than laws ever could.

Cheers,
RAH

(1) See David Friedman's The Machinery of Freedom where he
describes the finance of the modern nation state as this ceremonial
game in which 50 people sit in a circle with a hundred pennies
stacked in front of each person. The politician comes along, and with
great pomp and circumstance (and two guys with guns on either side of
him), takes everyone's pennies and dumps them into a fancy bowl.
Then, at random, he stands in front of someone, and slowly, with
great fanfare, counts off 50 pennies and gives them to the lucky
recipient. After repeating this 49 more times without repeating
anyone, the politician and his associates go off to the local pub and
buy themselves a beer. The victims are left marvelling at all the
free money they just got.

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-- 
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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
Every election is a sort of advance auction of stolen goods. -- H.L. Mencken

Re: Anonymous blogging

2002-12-13 Thread GaryJeffers

My Fellow Cypherpunks,

 My defense against getting overwhelmed with Cypherpunks list mail is to use Guan Sin Ong 's excellent archieve:
http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks .
 I find this easy and I don't have to delete tons of mail.

Yours Truly,
Gary Jeffers

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Peter Fairbrother

Anonymous wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:47:25 -0800, Tim May wrote:
 
 America used to disdain the secret trials, the Star Chamber proceedings so
 endemic in other parts of the world. Now we have them.
 
 We will reap what we sow.
 
 --Tim May
 
 Spot on. But what, if anything, do you think can be done to
 reverse this slide to Red White and Blue Stalinism with good PR?
 I trust you are not one of those who will prattle something like
 exercise your right to vote, or write your
 congressperson/MP, etc. In practical terms, in a surveillance
 society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in
 opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil
 liberties and civil rights?
 
 Do we need a program to oppose the progrom?



Dear America,

Yes, It's hard, but here's how. First, you can make comms unreadable. There
are well-known ways to do this. Second, you can make comms untraceable. Ways
to do this exist, and better ones are being developed*. Third, you can make
comms available to everyone - the 'net might help here.


If you don't choose to use these methods, the consequences are up to you.
But secure comms alone will only provide you with useful information, by
themselves they aren't enough; you need to vote. Lots of you.

Nothing else really matters. To them, and you.

-- 
Peter Fairbrother

Re: [MPUNKS] Cypherpunks December Mtg: HIGHFIRE Design Session

2002-12-13 Thread Bill Stewart

At 05:21 AM 12/13/2002 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote:

Dave Del Torto wrote:

 Resumes should be in plain
 ASCII text format with a PGP signature (detached sigs are OK) and on
 floppy disk or CD-R also containing a copy of the applicant's PGP
 public key.

Fuck off.

If you think that a PGP key is good enough, you don't know the threats you
are facing with GAK and the like. If you think a resume should be
required...
--
Peter Fairbrother


He didn't say you needed a resume to get into the meeting;
he said you needed it if you wanted to apply for a job
so they can show the people they're asking for grant money
that they've got a bunch of highly qualified people that
are interested in working on the project.
If it's like most projects, the resume is largely separate from
whether everybody knows whether you write great code quickly,
but it can be a hook to remind them who's interested.

Personally, I like resumes to be in hand-written well-styled HTML :-)

XSS flaw found at https://www.e-gold.com (fwd)

2002-12-13 Thread Eugen Leitl

-- Forwarded message --
Date: 10 Dec 2002 12:50:03 -
From: Liu Die Yu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: XSS flaw found at https://www.e-gold.com;

i know bugtraq doesn't accept vulnerability on one site, but the following 
info is important; please suggest a forum for me to post.

===--

XSSatEGOLD-Content-Tech

XSS flaw found at https://www.e-gold.com;

technically, it's nothing new. 

XSS at E-gold is very dangerous. E-gold is one of the most popular way to 
do international business. and unlike credit card system, e-gold sent, it 
never comes back. there is no refund policy. 

so stealing passphrase means stealing real gold. 

it's important, so i take it seriously.

[tested]
browser:MSIEv6 
time:2002/12/10 UTC+800

[demo]
at
http://www16.brinkster.com/liudieyu/XSSatEGOLD/XSSatEGOLD-MyPage.htm
or
http://clik.to/liudieyu ==XSSatEGOLD
or
[CODE.URL START]
https://www.e-gold.com/acct/historycsv.asp?
initial=1lt;SCRIPTgt;s=You_can_NOT_trust_this_page_if_you_got_if_from_a_
link.by_LiuDieYu_http://clik.to/liudieyu;w=window.open(https://www.e-
gold.com/acct/login.html);setTimeout(w.document.write
(s),150);lt;/SCRIPTgt;startmonth=12startday=4startyear=1996endmonth=12end
day=4endyear=2003paymentsreceived=1oldsort=tstamppage=1
[CODE.URL END]

[exp]

technically, there is only one thing important for XSS attackers:
some CGI can only be found when you are logged in, but they can be reached 
even if you are not logged in.
of course, the module dealing with logged-in users is different from the 
one dealing with un-logged-in users.
so, you have to test in both situations to ensure it's not XSS vulnerable.

[contact]
http://clik.to/liudieyu == how to contact liu die yu section

[BTW]
this flaw can be found easily with FASX at
http://clik.to/fasx

[p2p-hackers] REMINDER: (SF Bay Area) South Bay PeerPunks meeting next Tuesday (fwd)

2002-12-13 Thread Eugen Leitl

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:11:30 -0800 (PST)
From: James D. Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [p2p-hackers] REMINDER: (SF Bay Area) South Bay PeerPunks meeting
next Tuesday

Just a friendly reminder -- next Tuesday 7pm onward in 
Mountain View.   

James

--

The second monthly...er, semi-annual South Bay 
PeerPunks meeting will convene Tuesday December 17 - that's
a week from next Tuesday at the time/place below.

PeerPunks is just my clever name for the Silicon Valley 
contingent of p2p enthusiasts, hackers, well-wishers, 
etc. who can't make it up to Bram's monthly meeting
in SF on a regular basis.  Any and all are welcome, so
please come and join in...

If you don't know what I look like, just look for the guy
in the red EFF Fair Use Has A Possee t-shirt. 

See you there and then.

James

Where:

Dana Street Roasting Company
744 W Dana St, Mountain View,CA 94041
Phone: (650) 390-9638

This is just 1/2 block off Castro St.

When:  7:00 pm onward, Tuesday December 17

-- 

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RE: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Trei, Peter

Mike Rosing wrote:
[...]
 When we can't vote, we can fight.  So far the number of horror
 stories is small.  But when everyone has a personal friend or
 relative that's been shot, abused, tortured or even just roughed
 up - then they'll know they might be next.  And they might vote to change
 things.  So from a purely machivellian perspective, the faster
 they become more repressive and the more people they harm,
 the faster things will change.
 
 We just have a few years of hell to go thru, that's all.
 
 Patience, persistence, truth,
 
For the Russians, 'a few' was over 70. 
I hope for a non-violent restoration - this sort
of thing could give the Libertarian Party legs,
if they handled it right. 

Peter Trei

Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

A couple of lessons from the 1990 news report below. First, the 
violation of law by high government officials illegally selling 
shoulder fired missiles and other arms to Iran, and using the 
illegal profits to fund the illegal state-supported terrorism 
against Nicaragua, is not punished, as usual (Poindexter won on 
appeal based on his claim that he wouldn't have been convicted 
except for testimony given to congress under a grant of 
immunity). Second, you need not face any public accountability 
and arms for hostages, and profits for terrorism in Nicaragua 
need not be a barrier, in fact it is a qualification, for 
building a big brother system to surveil US citizens (except of 
course those breaking the law at the behest of the government 
itself).

WASHINGTON (UPI) -- John Poindexter, one of President Ronald 
Reagan's highest-ranking aides and the last of the original Iran-
Contra defendants, was the first person sentenced to prison in 
the arms-for-hostages scandal.

Poindexter, 53, who was Reagan's national security adviser, was 
sentenced to six months in jail Monday for masterminding the 
effort to cover up White House involvement in the Iran-Contra 
affair.

U.S. District Judge Harold Greene said Poindexter should be 
imprisoned because he was ``the decision-making head of the Iran-
Contra operation'' in the White House.

Greene sentenced Poindexter to six months in prison on each of 
five felony counts, but allowed the sentences to run 
concurrently. Because of Poindexter's huge legal fees, the judge 
did not impose a fine.

But the retired Navy rear admiral was required to pay a standard 
$50 court assessment for each of the five counts.

Poindexter was convicted April 7 of conspiring to deceive 
Congress, making false statements to lawmakers and obstructing 
congressional inquiries into the Iran-Contra scandal.

Although Poindexter is the last of the original Iran-Contra 
defendants, a special prosecutor is still investigating the case 
and new indictments are still possible.

What Poindexter did when he lied to Congress was ``not a part of 
the normal political process,'' said Greene.

The judge said Poindexter, Lt. Col. Oliver North and others in 
Reagan's White House tried to ``nullify'' a decision by Congress 
to cut off aid to the rebel Nicaraguan Contras.

Congress is elected by the American people, Greene said, and its 
decisions cannot be ``nullified by appointed officials.'' 
Furthermore, he said, Poindexter and North ``engaged in the 
destruction of evidence on a large scale.''

Poindexter headed the White House effort to subvert Congress, 
Greene said, and a ``meaningful'' penalty was necessary to deter 
future activity by public officials.

Poindexter stood stiffly as Greene imposed the sentence. But he 
smiled at his chief lawyer, Richard Beckler, who said he would 
appeal.

Poindexter was accompanied by his wife, Linda, an Episcopal 
priest who wore her clerical collar, and his large legal team. 
He remained free, pending his appeal.

Beckler had asked Greene not to send Poindexter to prison, 
saying ``he has served his country for 33 years'' and made no 
personal profit from his actions in the Iran-Contra scandal. 
``The world is a somewhat different world today than it was when 
John Poindexter entered the White House,'' Beckler said. ``The 
world is safer,'' terrorism is on the decline and there are free 
elections in Eastern Europe, Beckler said.

Before imposing the prison sentence, Greene asked Poindexter if 
he wanted to speak. Poindexter stood up and said softly, ``Your 
honor, I don't have any comment.''

Chief prosecutor Dan Webb asked Greene to put Poindexter behind 
bars, saying he and ``a very misguided and confused Marine 
lieutenant colonel'' -- North -- ``operated a private war in the 
nation of Nicaragua.''

They kept that war hidden from Congress, Webb said, through a 
deliberate campaign of lies, deception and obstruction.

Webb also noted that Poindexter ``destroyed the single most 
important document in the case'' -- a document signed by Ronald 
Reagan authorizing a direct arms-for-hostages deal with Iran in 
an effort to free Americans held in Lebanon.

Although Poindexter did not testify during his trial, he told 
Congress in nationally televised testimony during the summer of 
1987 that he never told Reagan about the subsequent diversion of 
Iran arms sale profits to assist the Contras. Congress had 
banned such Contra aid.

Poindexter said he destroyed the diversion document because it 
would cause grave political damage to Reagan.

Webb later told reporters: ``We think the sentence imposed today 
by Judge Greene is a fair and proper sentence.''

Poindexter was the head of his class at the Naval Academy and 
had a brilliant Navy career until the Iran-Contra scandal 
erupted in November
1986. He faced a maximum possible sentence of 25 years in prison 
and
$1.25 million in fines.

Greene said he would have imposed a harsher sentence -- 21 to 27 
months

RE: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Mike Rosing

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:

 For the Russians, 'a few' was over 70.
 I hope for a non-violent restoration - this sort
 of thing could give the Libertarian Party legs,
 if they handled it right.

Agreed.  And they may have not even need to handle it perfectly
right, since the main theme of the Libertarians is to restore
the Constitution.  I certainly hope for a non-violent solution.

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:17:27AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
| All represive regiemes are short lived in a historical context.
| Living thru them is hell.  This one has already begun a rather
| interesting hypocrisy - they say they support gun ownership, but
| they have no problem with letting the courts say the opposite.
| So far they are picking their targets small enough that the masses
| aren't actually worried that they will be next.  But to take total
| control, they will have to scare the masses in a more effective way.
| And it's unlikely that they will be able to scare them into
| giving up weapons.  And that's the point of an armed citizenry,
| to overthrow represive regiems.
| 
| When we can't vote, we can fight.  So far the number of horror
| stories is small.  But when everyone has a personal friend or
| relative that's been shot, abused, tortured or even just roughed
| up - then they'll know they might be next.  And they might vote to change
| things.  So from a purely machivellian perspective, the faster
| they become more repressive and the more people they harm,
| the faster things will change.
| 
| We just have a few years of hell to go thru, that's all.

Your comments remind me greatly of the Gulag Archipeligo, especially
the bits about those crushed early after the revolution.


-- 
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.
   -Hume

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

 Spot on. But what, if anything, do you think can be done to
 reverse this slide to Red White and Blue Stalinism with good PR?
 I trust you are not one of those who will prattle something like
 exercise your right to vote, or write your
 congressperson/MP, etc. In practical terms, in a surveillance
 society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in
 opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil
 liberties and civil rights?

 Do we need a program to oppose the progrom?

See Gilmore's proposal.  Consider the meaning of
reverse-panopticon.  Find federal employees
and let them know we're watching you but don't
identify we.  Publish public info.  Do this
for executives in firms that pander to the Evil.
Not just e.g., Ellison ---there are more next-level-down
underlings who might just live in your neighborhood.

Anyone got ideas for a neighborhood watch type
sticker which expresses the reverse-panopticon
visually?

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 06:43:53 +, you wrote:
 If you don't choose to use these methods, the consequences are up to you.
 But secure comms alone will only provide you with useful information, by
 themselves they aren't enough; you need to vote. Lots of you.

 Nothing else really matters. To them, and you.

 --
 Peter Fairbrother

Vote? Are you kidding? OK, here is your task. Since all but one 
member of congress voted FOR the USA PATRIOT ACT, exactly what 
party or what candidates do you suggest be elected in support of 
civil liberties in the US? You don't seem to get this. Or on 
Iraq, the democrat and republican leadership, and the republican 
and democrat majority in both houses of congress voted for the 
carte blanche Iraq war resolution. Exactly who is a voter to 
vote for if he prefers peace, or going after real threats like 
North Korea instead of just tyrants that pissed off W's daddy?

We can always pretend we actually have a choice by voting for 
the democrat who wants to wiretap you, instead of the republican 
that wants to wiretap you. Our choice is not whether or not to 
get wiretapped, rather it is to select the administration that 
wiretaps us. Ah, DEMOCRACY!

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Mike Rosing

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote:

 Interesting approach. But exactly how does that hinder the FBI
 demanding a booksellers customer list, or a library's patron
 check out record, or a black bag job on a personal computer, or
 thousands of CALEA taps, or the Total Information Awareness
 project, or the process of designating a US citizen as an enemy
 combatant, or the suspension of habeas corpus, etc.

 I was not aware that simple management of my own eyeballs could
 have such dramatic, widespread, external effects on gangs of
 thugs with guns and high tech surveillance gear all carrying a
 do-whatever-you-like, get-out-of-jail-free card from the US
 Congress, and essentially no oversight. Is this kind of like
 mind control, or what?

All represive regiemes are short lived in a historical context.
Living thru them is hell.  This one has already begun a rather
interesting hypocrisy - they say they support gun ownership, but
they have no problem with letting the courts say the opposite.
So far they are picking their targets small enough that the masses
aren't actually worried that they will be next.  But to take total
control, they will have to scare the masses in a more effective way.
And it's unlikely that they will be able to scare them into
giving up weapons.  And that's the point of an armed citizenry,
to overthrow represive regiems.

When we can't vote, we can fight.  So far the number of horror
stories is small.  But when everyone has a personal friend or
relative that's been shot, abused, tortured or even just roughed
up - then they'll know they might be next.  And they might vote to change
things.  So from a purely machivellian perspective, the faster
they become more repressive and the more people they harm,
the faster things will change.

We just have a few years of hell to go thru, that's all.

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Mike Rosing

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote:

 Vote? Are you kidding? OK, here is your task. Since all but one
 member of congress voted FOR the USA PATRIOT ACT, exactly what
 party or what candidates do you suggest be elected in support of
 civil liberties in the US? You don't seem to get this. Or on
 Iraq, the democrat and republican leadership, and the republican
 and democrat majority in both houses of congress voted for the
 carte blanche Iraq war resolution. Exactly who is a voter to
 vote for if he prefers peace, or going after real threats like
 North Korea instead of just tyrants that pissed off W's daddy?

 We can always pretend we actually have a choice by voting for
 the democrat who wants to wiretap you, instead of the republican
 that wants to wiretap you. Our choice is not whether or not to
 get wiretapped, rather it is to select the administration that
 wiretaps us. Ah, DEMOCRACY!

There are more choices than that.  It just takes a while for the
masses to figure that out.  When there are no choices, then we
can fight with weapons.  For now, words are sufficient.

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:01:05 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

  society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in
  opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil
  liberties and civil rights?

 Stop watching TV ?


Interesting approach. But exactly how does that hinder the FBI 
demanding a booksellers customer list, or a library's patron 
check out record, or a black bag job on a personal computer, or 
thousands of CALEA taps, or the Total Information Awareness 
project, or the process of designating a US citizen as an enemy 
combatant, or the suspension of habeas corpus, etc.

I was not aware that simple management of my own eyeballs could 
have such dramatic, widespread, external effects on gangs of 
thugs with guns and high tech surveillance gear all carrying a 
do-whatever-you-like, get-out-of-jail-free card from the US 
Congress, and essentially no oversight. Is this kind of like 
mind control, or what?

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Re: [IP] The TIA and fighting terrorism

And this from a 1987 post:

Current online database vendors like Dialog and Mead Data 
Central are already foreshadowings (albeit extremely primitive) 
of a GHA. It is interesting to recall that under the reign of 
John Poindexter, of Irangate fame, the NSC was seeking to gain 
legal access to the records of these companies, which store 
sensitive information about the search targets and patterns of 
their users. As I recall, the NSC was denied legal access by 
Congress, but then there is always the problem of illegal 
access, which is relatively trivial to accomplish wholesale by 
intercepting telecommunications.

see google...

Re: Gilmore's response

On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:15:22AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
| At 12:43 PM 12/13/2002 -0500, you wrote:
| Gilmore's legal response to secret laws, etc.
| 
| http://cryptome.org/gilmore-v-usa-god.htm
| 
| I have a possible trip coming up soon.  I intend to have my tickets 
| purchased by a third party and fly under an assumed name (maybe Tyler 
| Durden ;-)  I will carry no ID on my person. Perhaps there is now a need to 
| have large numbers of refusnik travelers assume the same nom de avion 
| identity.  Sort of like the Killroy in WW II.

Let us know how it goes.

Duncan would doubtless argue that there are already large numbers of
travellers using assumed names, including migrant mexican workers, US
government employees, terrorists, actors and actresses, etc.  The
immigration laws have done a good job of making it easy to get
quality secondary id.

The response of the apparatchiks is to increase the penalties until
we're all cowed, like they did in the old war on drugs.

Adam

PS: Current news in Canada includes the gun registry having undergone
a 12x cost overrun, and its not clear what will happen to it.  A large
reason for the overruns have been people making mistakes in filling
out the complex forms, and thus slowing down implementation.  
http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/12/12/guns011212

I think its time for me to go get a gun permit, and help the proces
along.




-- 
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.
   -Hume

Re: Gilmore's response

At 12:43 PM 12/13/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Gilmore's legal response to secret laws, etc.

http://cryptome.org/gilmore-v-usa-god.htm


I have a possible trip coming up soon.  I intend to have my tickets 
purchased by a third party and fly under an assumed name (maybe Tyler 
Durden ;-)  I will carry no ID on my person. Perhaps there is now a need to 
have large numbers of refusnik travelers assume the same nom de avion 
identity.  Sort of like the Killroy in WW II.

steve

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

2002-12-13 Thread Morlock Elloi

 Interesting approach. But exactly how does that hinder the FBI 
 demanding a booksellers customer list, or a library's patron 
 check out record, or a black bag job on a personal computer, or 
 thousands of CALEA taps, or the Total Information Awareness 
 project, or the process of designating a US citizen as an enemy 
 combatant, or the suspension of habeas corpus, etc.
 
 I was not aware that simple management of my own eyeballs could 
 have such dramatic, widespread, external effects on gangs of 
 thugs with guns and high tech surveillance gear all carrying a 
 do-whatever-you-like, get-out-of-jail-free card from the US 
 Congress, and essentially no oversight. Is this kind of like 
 mind control, or what?

Do not underestimate the power of detox.

Guns et al are just symbols, 99.999% of proles are kept at bay with software.
It is economically unfeasible to use hardware for that.

Take a look at happenings in the last decade in europe - anti-comm uprisings
had one and only one focal point - TV stations.

They live.





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A Few Words About Palladium

2002-12-13 Thread Nomen Nescio

According to the message below, Palladium will not include a serial
number revocation list, document revocation list, or similar
mechanism to delete pirated music and other unauthorized content.
These claims have been made most vocally by Ross Anderson in his TCPA
FAQ, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html, and by Lucky Green
in his DefCon presentation, http://www.cypherpunks.to/.

Instead, the point of Palladium is to create a decentralized, trusted
computing base... whose integrity can be audited by anyone.  This is
accomplished, as has been discussed at length here and elsewhere,
by hardware which can compute a secure hash of software as it loads,
and which can attest to this hash via cryptographic signatures sent to
remote systems.  This functionality allows software to prove to third
parties that it is running unmolested, which is the basic functionality
provided by Palladium.

Unfortunately, the exaggerated and misleading claims in the links above
are accepted as truth by most readers, and a false picture of Palladium
is virtually universal on the net.  Isn't it time for security experts
to take a responsible position on this technology, and to speak out
against the spread of these falsehoods?


 A Few Words About Palladium 
 By John Manferdelli, General Manager, Trusted Platform Technologies,
 Microsoft Corporation

 As you may know, I spent some time on the road in the UK in
 November. During my visit, I had the chance to meet some of you at
 the Meet the Technologists breakfast at the Microsoft Campus in
 Reading. Thanks to those of you who were able to attend. It was a great
 chance to engage in frank discussions about some of the more controversial
 topics surrounding Palladium.

 One of the issues we discussed was whether Palladium would include
 mechanisms that would delete pirated music or other content under remote
 control or otherwise disable or censor content, files, or programs running
 on Windows. The truth is, Palladium will not disable any content or file
 that currently runs. Palladium was designed so that no policy will be
 imposed that is not approved by the user. Microsoft is firmly opposed to
 putting policing functions into Palladium and we have no intention of
 doing so. The machine owners - whether an individual or enterprise - have
 sole discretion to determine what programs run under Palladium. Programs
 that run under Palladium, just like programs that run under Windows,
 will do whatever they are allowed to do, based on the security settings
 on the user's machine. Palladium not only respects existing user controls,
 it strengthens them.

 What Palladium does change is the ability for software to be protected
 from other software. Palladium will enable and safeguard a decentralized
 trusted computing base on open systems.  These security-oriented
 capabilities in Windows will be enabled by a relatively small change in
 hardware, and will help transform the PC into a platform that can perform
 trusted operations that span multiple computers under a trust policy that
 can be dynamically created and whose integrity can be authenticated by
 anyone. In addition, it will preserve the flexibility and extensibility
 that contributes so much to the entire PC ecosystem.

 I hope to have an opportunity to meet more of you in the New Year. We'll
 keep you posted about Palladium-related industry events and other Meet
 the Technologist opportunities.

 Happy holidays!
 - John Manferdelli

 P.S. While I was in London, I also had the opportunity to speak about
 Trustworthy Computing and the Palladium initiative at the Trusted
 Computing Masterclass in London. The event included participants from
 Hewlett Packard Labs, Red Hat, and Cambridge University, among others. You
 can read more about the event at www.netproject.com.

Re: Gilmore's response

On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:54:06AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
| At 1:38 PM -0500 12/13/02, Adam Shostack wrote:
| PS: Current news in Canada includes the gun registry having undergone
| a 12x cost overrun, and its not clear what will happen to it.  A large
| reason for the overruns have been people making mistakes in filling
| out the complex forms, and thus slowing down implementation. 
| http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/12/12/guns011212
| 
| I think its time for me to go get a gun permit, and help the proces
| along.
| 
| Adam -
| 
| The article that you linked to claims that the projected cost of the
| gun registry was $2 million, and the actual cost was (so far) $680 million.
| 
| That's a bit more than 12x :-)

Yeah, that was a marketing claim as they put the program forward, as I
recall.  The original budgeted number was 85 million, and current
projections are that it will cost upwards of a billion to complete.
Of course, I could be totally off.

Adam

-- 
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.
   -Hume

Re: A Few Words About Palladium

2002-12-13 Thread alan

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote:

 According to the message below, Palladium will not include a serial
 number revocation list, document revocation list, or similar
 mechanism to delete pirated music and other unauthorized content.
 These claims have been made most vocally by Ross Anderson in his TCPA
 FAQ, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html, and by Lucky Green
 in his DefCon presentation, http://www.cypherpunks.to/.
 
 Instead, the point of Palladium is to create a decentralized, trusted
 computing base... whose integrity can be audited by anyone.  This is
 accomplished, as has been discussed at length here and elsewhere,
 by hardware which can compute a secure hash of software as it loads,
 and which can attest to this hash via cryptographic signatures sent to
 remote systems.  This functionality allows software to prove to third
 parties that it is running unmolested, which is the basic functionality
 provided by Palladium.
 
 Unfortunately, the exaggerated and misleading claims in the links above
 are accepted as truth by most readers, and a false picture of Palladium
 is virtually universal on the net.  Isn't it time for security experts
 to take a responsible position on this technology, and to speak out
 against the spread of these falsehoods?

All of this is speculation until the system is actually implemented.

The questions are Who do you trust? and Do their interests coincide 
with yours?. 

I do not trust Microsoft as far as I can throw them.  They have 
demonstrated in the past that security for them means the check 
cleared.  There have been too many holes, backdoors, and outright 
sabotage of competitors that they have lost any credibility with me.  And 
since they are unwilling to publish source, the code is suspect from the 
start.  (I doubt if they will let a third party that i trust audit the 
software without 42 levels of NDAs and a lein on their immortal souls.)

There are other projects to insure that the software running at the kernel 
level is authorised via cryptographic checksums.  (Both in BSD and in 
Linux.) 

What users are (rightfully) afraid of is that this is yet another effort 
to remove control from the users over what software they can use and how 
they can use it.

Microsoft has already used this method to control just what types of 
protocols and video drivers could be used under Windows terminal server.  
(You had to have the app sighed by Microsoft in order to run and they 
wouldn't sign certain compeating protocols.)  This method was bypassed by 
some interesting hackery, BTW. (Thou shalt not split thy open calls.)

So far the only examples we have is that of Microsoft's past behaviour.  
It is not oriented for your security or mine, but of theirs.

The fear is justified. (And ancient.) 

 
 
  A Few Words About Palladium 
  By John Manferdelli, General Manager, Trusted Platform Technologies,
  Microsoft Corporation
 
  As you may know, I spent some time on the road in the UK in
  November. During my visit, I had the chance to meet some of you at
  the Meet the Technologists breakfast at the Microsoft Campus in
  Reading. Thanks to those of you who were able to attend. It was a great
  chance to engage in frank discussions about some of the more controversial
  topics surrounding Palladium.
 
  One of the issues we discussed was whether Palladium would include
  mechanisms that would delete pirated music or other content under remote
  control or otherwise disable or censor content, files, or programs running
  on Windows. The truth is, Palladium will not disable any content or file
  that currently runs. Palladium was designed so that no policy will be
  imposed that is not approved by the user. Microsoft is firmly opposed to
  putting policing functions into Palladium and we have no intention of
  doing so. The machine owners - whether an individual or enterprise - have
  sole discretion to determine what programs run under Palladium. Programs
  that run under Palladium, just like programs that run under Windows,
  will do whatever they are allowed to do, based on the security settings
  on the user's machine. Palladium not only respects existing user controls,
  it strengthens them.
 
  What Palladium does change is the ability for software to be protected
  from other software. Palladium will enable and safeguard a decentralized
  trusted computing base on open systems.  These security-oriented
  capabilities in Windows will be enabled by a relatively small change in
  hardware, and will help transform the PC into a platform that can perform
  trusted operations that span multiple computers under a trust policy that
  can be dynamically created and whose integrity can be authenticated by
  anyone. In addition, it will preserve the flexibility and extensibility
  that contributes so much to the entire PC ecosystem.
 
  I hope to have an opportunity to meet more of you in the New Year. We'll
  keep you posted about Palladium-related industry

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