Accepted antimeridian 0.3.5-1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Changed-By: Antonio Valentino 
Changes:
 antimeridian (0.3.5-1) unstable; urgency=medium
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Accepted chromium 124.0.6367.155-1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian Chromium Team 
Changed-By: Andres Salomon 
Closes: 1070283
Changes:
 chromium (124.0.6367.155-1) unstable; urgency=high
 .
   * New upstream security release.
 - CVE-2024-4558: Use after free in ANGLE. Reported by gelatin dessert.
 - CVE-2024-4559: Heap buffer overflow in WebAudio.
   Reported by Cassidy Kim(@cassidy6564).
   * d/control: replace libu2f-udev recommends with udev (closes: #1070283).
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   [ Timothy Pearson ]
   * d/patches/ppc64le:
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Accepted cpufetch 1.05-3 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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 cpufetch (1.05-3) unstable; urgency=medium
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Accepted greetd 0.10.0-1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Maintainer: Marc Dequènes (Duck) 
Changed-By: Marc Dequènes (Duck) 
Changes:
 greetd (0.10.0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * NUR: refreshed patches.
   * Bump rpassword source dependency since we have a patch for it.
   * Update copyright years.
   * Use pkgconf as pkg-config is obsolete now.
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Re: Tool to build Debian packages not requiring root in containers ?

2024-05-07 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
Hi!

On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 15:27, Charles Plessy  wrote:
..
> I want to leverage our cluster to automate as much of the rebuilds as I
> can, but could not find the right tool.  I tried to run sbuild in a
> Singularity image and this failed.  However, I do not need the whole
> power of engines like sbuild, as none of the packages involved require
> root priviledges to build.
>
> Do you have a suggestion for a tool can run in user mode in a container
> image having access to local storage on the host, and that given a
> Debian source control file will download the dependencies and build the
> package ?

Can you give me an example of a package you want to build and what is
the starting point, and I can tell you what command to issue to
https://salsa.debian.org/otto/debcraft to achieve it?

It supports running Podman in user mode (=no root permissions needed),
it loop-mounts a local directory (local storage), creates clean build
containers on the fly similar to sbuild but is much easier and faster
to use.

Example of how to build one of your packages with just pointing it at
the source git repo:

$ debcraft build https://salsa.debian.org/med-team/altree.git
Building container 'debcraft-debian-sid' in
'/tmp/tmp.brCZRhn2lL/debcraft-container' for downloader use
mkdir: created directory '/tmp/tmp.brCZRhn2lL/debcraft-container'
STEP 1/10: FROM debian:sid
...
$ ls -1 debcraft-build-altree-1715137513.a8c999a+master
altree_1.3.2-2_amd64.build
altree_1.3.2-2_amd64.buildinfo
altree_1.3.2-2_amd64.changes
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altree-dbgsym_1.3.2-2_amd64.deb
altree-examples_1.3.2-2_all.deb
control.log
filelist.log
lintian.log

First build is a bit slow as it needs to download all the dependencies
and create a container, but the second run of 'debcraft build' inside
the source directory will be very fast as all container cache is
reused.



Accepted rust-greetd-ipc 0.10.0-1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Maintainer: Debian Rust Maintainers 

Changed-By: Marc Dequènes (Duck) 
Changes:
 rust-greetd-ipc (0.10.0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
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Accepted superqt 0.6.5-1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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 superqt (0.6.5-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon Richter  writes:
> On 5/8/24 07:05, Russ Allbery wrote:

>> It sounds like that is what kicked off this discussion, but moving /tmp
>> to tmpfs also usually makes programs that use /tmp run faster.  I
>> believe that was the original motivation for tmpfs back in the day.

> IIRC it started out as an implementation of POSIX SHM, and was later
> generalized.

I believe you're correct for Linux specifically but not in general for
UNIX.  For example, I'm fairly sure this is not the case on Solaris, which
was the first place I encountered tmpfs and where tmpfs /tmp was the
default starting in Solaris 2.1 in 1992.  tmpfs was present in SunOS in
1987, so I'm pretty sure it predates POSIX shared memory.

Linux was very, very late to the tmpfs world.

> When /var runs full, the problem is probably initrd building.

I'm not quite sure what to make of this statement.  On my systems, /var
contains all sorts of rather large things, such as PostgreSQL databases,
INN spool files, and mail spools.  I have filled up /var on many systems
over the years, and it's never been by building initrd images.

> Taking a quick look around all my machines, the accumulated cruft in
> /var/tmp is on the order of kilobytes -- mostly reportbug files, and a
> few from audacity -- and these machines have not been reinstalled in the
> last ten years.

Yes, I don't think many programs use it.  I think that's a good thing; the
specific semantics of /var/tmp are only useful in fairly narrow
situations, and overfilling it is fairly dangerous.

Back in the day, /var/tmp was the thing that you used if /tmp was too
small (because it was usually tmpfs).  For example, using sort -T /var/tmp
to sort large files is an old UNIX rune.  And, of course, students would
use it because they ran out of quota in their home directories and then
get upset when their files got deleted automatically, back in the days of
shared UNIX login clusters.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 17:33, Sam Hartman  wrote:
>
> > "Luca" == Luca Boccassi  writes:
>
> Luca> On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 15:42, Richard Lewis
> Luca>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Luca Boccassi  writes:
> >>
> >> > Hence, I am not really looking for philosophical discussions or
> >> lists > of personal preferences or hypotheticals, but for facts:
> >> what would > break where, and how to fix it?
>
> ssh-agent appears to default to creating a socket under /tmp.
> I think respecting $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR would be better.
>
> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent also doesn't override where
> the socket ends up.
> I definitely think for session scripts like that $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR would
> be better.
>
>
> gnome-keyring's ssh-agent handles this better, although last time I
> checked, it did not support pkcs11, so I could not use it with PIV
> cards.
> (Other parts of gnome-keyring do support pkcs11).

The ssh agent provided by gnupg also behaves correctly and creates the
socket in XDG_RUNTIME_DIR. I have filed a bug for openssh-client's
ssh-agent.



Accepted r-cran-brio 1.1.5-1 (source) into unstable

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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Simon Richter

Hi,

On 5/8/24 07:05, Russ Allbery wrote:


It sounds like that is what kicked off this discussion, but moving /tmp to
tmpfs also usually makes programs that use /tmp run faster.  I believe
that was the original motivation for tmpfs back in the day.


IIRC it started out as an implementation of POSIX SHM, and was later 
generalized. The connection to SHM is still there -- POSIX SHM only 
works if a tmpfs is mounted anywhere in the system. Canonically, a tmpfs 
is mounted on /dev/shm for that purpose, but if /tmp is a tmpfs, then 
/dev/shm doesn't need to exist.


I agree that it makes a lot of things run faster (especially compiling, 
which creates temporary files in /tmp), but it has also caused 
situations that required pressing SysRq to resolve (also during compiling).



For /var/tmp, I think the primary motivation to garbage-collect those
files is that filling up /var/tmp is often quite bad for the system.  It's
frequently not on its own partition, but is shared with at least /var, and
filling up /var can be very bad.  It can result in bounced mail, unstable
services, and other serious problems.


When /var runs full, the problem is probably initrd building.

Taking a quick look around all my machines, the accumulated cruft in 
/var/tmp is on the order of kilobytes -- mostly reportbug files, and a 
few from audacity -- and these machines have not been reinstalled in the 
last ten years.


   Simon



Accepted r-cran-xopen 1.0.1+dfsg-1 (source) into unstable

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Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 22:57, Russ Allbery  wrote:
>
> Richard Lewis  writes:
> > Luca Boccassi  writes:
>
> >> what would break where, and how to fix it?
>
> > Another one for you to investigate: I believe apt source and 'apt-get
> > source' download and extract things into /tmp, as in the mmdebootstap
> > example mentioned by someone else, this will create "old" files that
> > could immediately be flagged for deletion causing surprises.
>
> > (People restoring from backups might also find this an issue)
>
> systemd-tmpfiles respects atime and ctime by default, not just mtime, so I
> think this would only be a problem on file systems that didn't support
> those attributes.  atime is often turned off, but I believe support for
> ctime is fairly universal among the likely file systems for /var/tmp, and
> I believe tmpfs supports all three.  (I'm not 100% sure, though, so please
> correct me if I'm wrong.)

Yes atime/ctime are used too, so things that are really in the process
of being used are not really an issue.

I checked screen and even in bookworm it uses /run/screen/ as you
said, so it's fine.

I checked tmux and indeed it uses /tmp/tmux-UID/ - which is a terrible
choice given it's predictable so if something manages to run first it
can hijack it, but that's really a pre-existing issue. I've filed a
bug to notify that it needs to start flocking the file in /tmp/ while
running to avoid them being deleted while in use.



Re: Y2038-safe replacements for utmp/wtmp and lastlog

2024-05-07 Thread Craig Small
On Wed, 8 May 2024 at 09:03, Jun MO  wrote:

> 1) I hope there will still be the original
> w(1)/last(1)/lastb(1)/lastlog(1)/faillog(1)
> tools which can still read *old* format utmp/wtmp/lastlog in Debian at
> least for
> a while after switch to Y2038-safe replacements. Those tools can read
>

I can only speak for w.  It currently prefers what it gets from systemd or
elogind, effectively
iterating over the sessions coming from sd_get_sessions() if sd_booted()
returns true.

If sd_booted() returns false, then it uses the old utmp/utmpx files for
now. Besides the Y2038
issue, the utmp "API" is pretty awful with things like errors pretty much
undetectable. There is also
the problem about who (e.g. which process) should be writing to those files
as you have pointed out
in your email.

For now w/uptime will use utmp as a fallback, but I'll be happy if this
gets updated to something better; it's a low-priority
for me because systemd/elogind do what I need most of the time.

 - Craig


Accepted vim-eblook 1.4.0-1 (source all) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Y2038-safe replacements for utmp/wtmp and lastlog

2024-05-07 Thread Jun MO

Dear Developers,

A bit from a Debian user. Please note that I am not come to here to 
blame/complain
against the Upstream/Maintainer of the pam package and the Maintainer of 
the shadow
package, or come to here to request something. I just come to here to 
present

some of my hope.

I often use the w(1)/last(1) command, and sometimes use the lastb(1) 
command.
Several days ago, I noticed that records logged in from 
console(tty{1..6}) are missing
from the output of last(1) while records from ssh/tmux/lightdm are still 
there,
and I started to guess maybe some of my recent changes to the system 
caused this.
Today I try to find out what happened, and after several hours of 
fruitless effort
(try different options of agetty/login, use strace/gdb on agetty/login 
and read
the source of the shadow package), I noticed that a word "pam_lastlog" 
in the

source code. Finally I find out the problem is caused by that login(1) use
pam_lastlog.so to write /var/log/wtmp, but pam_lastlog.so was not longer 
included
in the libpam-modules package. (It was somehow related to #1068229, but 
I missed

it.)

From my understanding, why we need to deal with the Y2038 issue is that 
the issue
may cause problems, some of which will be big problems, after year 2038. 
But so,
let's now rush some changes, to confuse users or break something? (Just 
joke and,
again I am not to blame anyone.) Are there issues using 
utmp/wtmp/lastlog and
w(1)/last(1)/lastlog(1), *currently*? Are there security issues, big 
defects or

are they hard to maintain?

If not, I prefer a bit more slow pace, compatible and less disturbed 
process.

More specifically, regarding to some changes proposed in the wiki [1],

1) I hope there will still be the original 
w(1)/last(1)/lastb(1)/lastlog(1)/faillog(1)
tools which can still read *old* format utmp/wtmp/lastlog in Debian at 
least for
a while after switch to Y2038-safe replacements. Those tools can read 
old format

files without convert/import to new format. I am keeping old wtmp files for
several years. Starting from 2016 my system with a proprietary nvidia 
driver failed to

resume from suspend2ram and playing a video using hardware accelerator would
cause the system unstable. Five years later, still having the problem, 
with some
help of reading kernel version from `last -f /var/log/wtmp.*', I finally 
found
out that there is a commit change in the kernel caused the problem. This 
shows
that having those tools installed may provide a few help. Another point 
may be
that package from 3rd parties may still write old-format 
utmp/wtmp/lastlog, it
will be good still having those tools installed at least for a while. 
Those tools
may be modified that when invoked, print messages to inform users 
time/date maybe
incorrect after the year 2038, and suggest/recommend/urge users only use 
those

tools to read old files and switch to use new replacements. Anyway it seems
keeping those tools have little harm. And I have a look into wtmpdb, 
from salsa[2].
From manpage and --help, it seems to me the current version 0.11.0 of 
wtmpdb does
not support read/import/migrate from /var/log/wtmp, the suggest of 
/usr/bin/wtmpdb
take over last(1) in the wiki is not feasible as some user may still 
expect using
`last -f /var/log/wtmp.*' to read old files. Even if new version of 
wtmpdb can
read from /var/log/wtmp without import it into 
/var/lib/wtmpdb/wtmpdb.db, it is
still good to have a choose to use the original last(1) to read from 
/var/log/wtmp.
(Also see below.) It is similar to lastlog2. I see lastlog2 can already 
import
from /var/log/lastlog, but from usage() [3], it will always import to a 
lastlog2

database.
2) I hope I can choose keeping or deleting the old utmp/wtmp/lastlog 
files when
switch to Y2038-safe replacements. By default, those old files may be 
automatically
deleted, but before extracting new package/running maint scripts, there 
may be a prompt
telling users that those files will be deleted and asking users chose 
whether continue
or not; if not, dpkg should exit without deleted those files. Or those 
will not be
automatically deleted, instead a Debian.NEWS may be displayed or maint 
script can
print a message telling those files can be safely deleted after 
converted. I think
the current dpkg already have functions to implement aforementioned 
actions as I
have seen something alike many times. I known normally purge a package 
will deleted
its log(and configuration), but wtmp/btmp/lastlog/faillog do not belong 
to any
package and many program can read from/write to them. Also it seems to 
me that
deleting logs during upgrade is not so good, and maybe leave it to users 
to decide.
You may ask why I want to keep those old format files instead of 
converting them
and use new tools to read? I can not exactly tell why, but I maybe 
afraid the
converting may not perfect and I want to compare both output before 
deleting the
old ones. For example, the old format files may have corrupted, and the 

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2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Tool to build Debian packages not requiring root in containers ?

2024-05-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Hello everybody,

I just re-suscribed :)

At work I have access to a nice cluster with plenty of nodes rich of 128
cores and 512 Gb RAM.  The nodes do not run Debian but Singularity is
available for virtualisation 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(software)).

And in Debian I am part of transitions involving more than 100 packages
every 6 months (r-api-bioc-*)…

I want to leverage our cluster to automate as much of the rebuilds as I
can, but could not find the right tool.  I tried to run sbuild in a
Singularity image and this failed.  However, I do not need the whole
power of engines like sbuild, as none of the packages involved require
root priviledges to build.

Do you have a suggestion for a tool can run in user mode in a container
image having access to local storage on the host, and that given a
Debian source control file will download the dependencies and build the
package ?

Have a nice day,

Charles

-- 
Charles Plessy Nagahama, Yomitan, Okinawa, Japan
Debian Med packaging team http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med
Tooting from work,   https://fediscience.org/@charles_plessy
Tooting from home, https://framapiaf.org/@charles_plessy



Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Richard Lewis  writes:

> btw, i'm not trying to argue against the change, but i dont yet
> understand the rationale (which id like to be put into the
> release-notes): is there perhaps something more compelling than "other
> distributions and upstream already do this"?

It sounds like that is what kicked off this discussion, but moving /tmp to
tmpfs also usually makes programs that use /tmp run faster.  I believe
that was the original motivation for tmpfs back in the day.

For /var/tmp, I think the primary motivation to garbage-collect those
files is that filling up /var/tmp is often quite bad for the system.  It's
frequently not on its own partition, but is shared with at least /var, and
filling up /var can be very bad.  It can result in bounced mail, unstable
services, and other serious problems.

Most modern desktop systems now have large enough drives that this isn't
as much of a concern as it used to be, but VMs often still have quite
small / partitions and put /var/tmp on that partition.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Sven Mueller
Am 07.05.2024 22:56 schrieb Richard Lewis :Luca Boccassi  writes:



> qwhat would

> break where, and how to fix it?



Another one for you to investigate: I believe apt source and 'apt-get

source' download and extract things into /tmp, as in the mmdebootstap

example mentioned by someone else, this will create "old" files that

could immediately be flagged for deletion causing surprises.`apt download` and `apt source` download to your current working directory. Same for apt-get.
(People restoring from backups might also find this an issue)I would not expect people to restore to /tmp and expecting that restore to work across a reboot. And to be honest, I find the expectation to have any guarantee on files in /tmp or /var/tmp across a reboot quite surprising. The directories are named "tmp" because they are meant as temporary storage, which implies automatic deleting at some point IMHO.Now, bad choices by various tools have been mentioned, so a cleaner for these directories that runs outside a reboot has to be careful anyhow. But during a reboot? I don't think that should be too much of a problem. Cheers, Sven

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Richard Lewis  writes:
> Luca Boccassi  writes:

>> what would break where, and how to fix it?

> Another one for you to investigate: I believe apt source and 'apt-get
> source' download and extract things into /tmp, as in the mmdebootstap
> example mentioned by someone else, this will create "old" files that
> could immediately be flagged for deletion causing surprises.

> (People restoring from backups might also find this an issue)

systemd-tmpfiles respects atime and ctime by default, not just mtime, so I
think this would only be a problem on file systems that didn't support
those attributes.  atime is often turned off, but I believe support for
ctime is fairly universal among the likely file systems for /var/tmp, and
I believe tmpfs supports all three.  (I'm not 100% sure, though, so please
correct me if I'm wrong.)

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Richard Lewis
Holger Levsen  writes:

> I'm a bit surprised how many people seem to really rely on data in /tmp
> to survive for weeks or even months. I wonder if they backup /tmp?

I use /tmp for things that fall somewhere between "needs a backup" and
"unimportant, can be deleted whenever". I think all of the issues raised
(disappearing files from git checkouts, old files in unpacked
tarballs/debootstraps/downloads, autopkgtests, 3rd-party-software, bad
choices in tmux/ssh-agent/etc) fall into that spectrum: It's not that
the data is critical, but losing it creates more work -- what is the
reason for accepting that 'risk'?

btw, i'm not trying to argue against the change, but i dont yet
understand the rationale (which id like to be put into the
release-notes): is there perhaps something more compelling than "other
distributions and upstream already do this"?



Accepted xfsprogs 6.7.0-2 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Accepted frog 0.32-2 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Richard Lewis
Luca Boccassi  writes:

> qwhat would
> break where, and how to fix it?

Another one for you to investigate: I believe apt source and 'apt-get
source' download and extract things into /tmp, as in the mmdebootstap
example mentioned by someone else, this will create "old" files that
could immediately be flagged for deletion causing surprises.

(People restoring from backups might also find this an issue)



Accepted xfireworks 1.3-14 (source amd64) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Description:
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Accepted opm-simulators 2024.04~rc2+ds-2 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 09:49:17PM +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues 
wrote:
> Quoting Andrey Rakhmatullin (2024-05-06 19:14:40)
> > On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 04:50:50PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote:
> > > > tmpfiles.d snippets can be defined to cleanup on a timer _anything_,
> > > 
> > > It's a question of what the *default* behaviour should be.
> > > 
> > > For whatever reason, a lot of people who process large data use
> > > /var/tmp/FOO/ as a place to store information that should not be
> > > backed up, but also should not just disappear.
> > To be honest I'm greatly surprised by this idea, and by the suggestion
> > that a lot of people do this, to me this is very similar by that half-joke
> > about people storing useful files in the Recycle Bin.
> 
> I'm doing exactly that. I use paper I already printed stuff on but which were
> misprints or which are no longer useful to me and are just destined for the
> recycling bin to write stuff on that is important to me. After I'm done with 
> my
> work on this scrap paper I decide what I want to keep and copy to permanent
> storage and what I want to really throw away.
I actually meant the Windows feature :)


-- 
WBR, wRAR


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Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Andrey Rakhmatullin (2024-05-06 19:14:40)
> On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 04:50:50PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote:
> > > tmpfiles.d snippets can be defined to cleanup on a timer _anything_,
> > 
> > It's a question of what the *default* behaviour should be.
> > 
> > For whatever reason, a lot of people who process large data use
> > /var/tmp/FOO/ as a place to store information that should not be
> > backed up, but also should not just disappear.
> To be honest I'm greatly surprised by this idea, and by the suggestion
> that a lot of people do this, to me this is very similar by that half-joke
> about people storing useful files in the Recycle Bin.

I'm doing exactly that. I use paper I already printed stuff on but which were
misprints or which are no longer useful to me and are just destined for the
recycling bin to write stuff on that is important to me. After I'm done with my
work on this scrap paper I decide what I want to keep and copy to permanent
storage and what I want to really throw away.

I would not like if (suppose I had a person cleaning up my stuff) a cleaning
person came to my desk, saw that there was obvious scrap paper ultimately
destined for the bin and threw that away every once in a while. I might be
taking my notes on what is ultimately for the trash but I want to be the one to
decide when to bring the trash out.

Thank you for this great example! :)

cheers, josch

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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Hi,

Quoting Holger Levsen (2024-05-07 17:22:48)
> On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 04:24:06PM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote:
> > Consider a long running task, which will take days or weeks (which is the
> > norm in simulation and science domains in general). System emitted a warning
> > after three days, that it'll delete my files in three days. My job won't be
> > finished, and I'll be losing three days of work unless I catch that warning.
> Then it will be high time you learn not to abuse /tmp that way and work in
> your (or your services) home/data directory.
> 
> Problem easily avoided. plus you don't need to make /tmp 20 TB because you
> have lots of data. ;)
> 
> I'm a bit surprised how many people seem to really rely on data in /tmp to
> survive for weeks or even months. I wonder if they backup /tmp?

I like using /tmp because it's a tmpfs which makes some things faster. For
quite a few things I do not want them to be stored long-term on my SSD so I
resort to using /tmp and not the directory I called ~/tmp inside my $HOME.

This is also not only about data surviving for weeks and months. Elsewhere in
this thread i mentioned mmdebstrap as an application which creates files in
/tmp which have a modification time far in the past. The same happens when
using other tools, for example lets say I want to have a small scratch space
into which I wget some files:

$ wget https://www.debian.org/Pics/debian-logo-1024x576.png
$ stat -c %y debian-logo-1024x576.png
2020-12-17 10:59:08.0 +0100

Will this mean that debian-logo-1024x576.png might accidentally get cleaned up
unless I disable that mechanism? The problem is not limited to people with a
crazy large /tmp either. My system has 3.7 GB of ram and having /tmp be a tmpfs
(even though it's very small) is still beneficial for me because my maximum
read speed from my SSD is 140 MB/s. My small RAM is much faster than that.

Thanks!

cheers, josch

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Accepted python-debianbts 4.1.0 (source) into experimental

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Bug#1070719: ITP: ppa-dev-tools -- command line client for managing PPAs in Launchpad

2024-05-07 Thread Benjamin Drung
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Benjamin Drung 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, bdr...@debian.org

* Package name: ppa-dev-tools
  Version : 0.5.0
  Upstream Contact: Bryce Harrington 
* URL : https://launchpad.net/ppa-dev-tools
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : command line client for managing PPAs in Launchpad

 This package provides a command line tool for creating, deleting, and
 configuring Personal Package Archives (PPAs). It includes functionality to
 wait/block until all packages have built.

I am using this package and plan to maintain it as part of the Debian
Python Team.

-- 
Benjamin Drung
Debian & Ubuntu Developer



Re: how to upgrade testing

2024-05-07 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 7 May 2024 20:54:39 +0200
Jérémy Lal  wrote:

Hello Jérémy,

>could we have a hint when it's "safe" to upgrade testing ?

I'm not Debian developer, so do what you will with what I say;

I've been upgrading testing daily for a couple of weeks.  Due, in part,
to cut the amount of packages updated at any one time (highest was about
250 in one day).  I've had no insurmountable issues.  There have been
days when I had to take care upgrading because there appeared to be a
need to remove huge numbers of essential packages.  Much of that could be
my 'fault' because I have repos other than official Debian that I use.
However careful selection of packages allowed me to upgrade in a sane
manner.

Just keep an eye on what is being marked for removal (many will be
libraries being replaced by their t64 counterparts), "just in case".

-- 
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Bug#1070718: ITP: python-gfloat -- Python module of generic floating point encode/decode logic

2024-05-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Scott Kitterman 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

* Package name: python-gfloat
  Version : 0.1
  Upstream Contact: Andrew Fitzgibbon 
* URL : https://github.com/graphcore-research/gfloat
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Python module of generic floating point encode/decode logic

 An implementation of generic floating point encode/decode logic, handling
 various current and proposed floating point types:
 .
   - IEEE 754: Binary16, Binary32
   - OCP Float8: E5M2, E4M3
   - IEEE WG P3109: P{p} for p in 1..7
   - OCP MX Formats: E2M1, M2M3, E3M2, E8M0, INT8, and the MX block formats.
 .
 The library favours readability and extensibility over speed - for fast
 implementations of these datatypes see, for example, ml_dtypes, bitstring, MX
 PyTorch Emulation Library.

I intend to maintain this as part of the Debian Python Team.  It's
needed to run tests for the newest version of python-bitstring.

Scott K



Accepted mdevctl 1.3.0-2.1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: how to upgrade testing

2024-05-07 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 08:54:39PM +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> could we have a hint when it's "safe" to upgrade testing ?
It was always safe...

> Currently I get for a full-upgrade:
> 2338 mis à jour, 362 nouvellement installés, 715 à enlever et 41 non mis à
> jour.
alias e='LC_ALL=C'
e apt full-upgrade

But also if apt wants to remove some things you need then you may need to
upgrade some packages manually or install some *t64 libs manually, just
like in sid in March.

-- 
WBR, wRAR


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how to upgrade testing

2024-05-07 Thread Jérémy Lal
Hi,

could we have a hint when it's "safe" to upgrade testing ?
Currently I get for a full-upgrade:
2338 mis à jour, 362 nouvellement installés, 715 à enlever et 41 non mis à
jour.

Thanks !
Jérémy


Re: Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
I guess sometimes when people discuss technical matters, good ideas pop up.

(Although I still think that its problematic interactions with lengthy
suspends makes the whole idea of auto-deletion based purely on
timestamps problematic. I can imagine more coherent mechanisms, which
doesn't count time the machine was suspended against the removal
clock, which check if any files are open, check if any process has its
current directory in a tree, which treats trees as a whole instead of
deleting leaves piecemeal only deleting the tree if all its contents
are ripe, etc. That would introduce considerable complexity though.
However, it is the sort of thing a good sysadmin would do before
manually removing stuff in /var/tmp/, so ...)



Accepted mongo-c-driver 1.27.1-1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Josh Triplett
Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote:
> You know, that's a pretty good idea!
>
> Put a 00README-TMP.txt in /tmp/ and /var/tmp/ which briefly states the
> default deletion policy, the policy in place if it's not the default,
> and a pointer to info about altering it. "/tmp's contents are deleted
> at boot while /var/tmp is preserved across rebooting." Maybe in
> /var/tmp suggest /var/scratch/ or /var/cache/tmp or such as a place
> sysadmins might want to set up for not-backed-up but not-auto-deleted
> material.
>
> If the contents aren't dynamic, maybe they could be links to files in
> /usr/share/doc/systemd/.

This seems like a *great* idea. systemd-tmpfiles configuration can
easily create such a file, either with contents or as a symlink to a
documentation file in /usr/share/doc.



Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread rhys
It is not "abuse of /tmp" to put files there, even if they need to be there for 
a long time. That is an unnecessary characterization. 

Yes, /tmp gets backed up along with the rest of the system on every VM in my 
environment. 

Sometimes "temporary" CAN mean "weeks or even months." That's not something 
that needs to be determined in advance by someone else. 

This is keeping in mind that I, myself, said that I would be fine with /tmp as 
a tmpfs. I wouldn't cry at all if /tmp were cleaned out at boot time (which 
could be weeks or even months).

But a) at boot time, all processes have been restarted. It would be an 
exceptional process that needs to resume after a reboot using data in /tmp 
(though not impossible) and...

...perhaps more importantly, b) I wouldn't want to declare on behalf of all 
Debian users that doing so Is Wrong And You Should Not Do It. That strikes me 
as unnecessarily presumptuous. 

It's one thing to support a change that MY systems can cope with. It's quite 
another to declare that EVERYONE will now use these rules, particularly when it 
means deleting their files. 

Even after a reboot, I would be upset to lose the debug files that I've been 
accumulating for several days while trying to track down an intermittent 
problem with this stupid VPN...

Sent from my mobile device.


From: Holger Levsen 
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 10:22
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default 
[was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

Then it will be high time you learn not to abuse /tmp that way 

I'm a bit surprised how many people seem to really rely on data in /tmp
to survive for weeks or even months. I wonder if they backup /tmp?


--
cheers,
Holger

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Accepted prometheus-smokeping-prober 0.8.1-2 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Closes: 1070140
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2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Version: 6.2.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: PCP Development Team 
Changed-By: Nathan Scott 
Description:
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 libpcp-gui2-dev - Performance Co-Pilot graphical client tools library and 
headers
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 libpcp-mmv1-dev - Performance Co-Pilot Memory Mapped Value library and headers
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 libpcp-trace2-dev - Performance Co-Pilot application tracing library and 
headers
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Elasticsearch
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 pcp-export-pcp2influxdb - Tool for exporting data from PCP to InfluxDB
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 pcp-export-pcp2xlsx - Tool for exporting data from PCP to Excel spreadsheets
 pcp-export-pcp2xml - Tool for exporting data from PCP to XML
 pcp-export-pcp2zabbix - Tool for exporting data from PCP to Zabbix
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 pcp-import-collectl2pcp - Tool for importing data from collectl into PCP 
archive logs
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logs
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logs
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 pcp-import-sheet2pcp - Tool for importing data from a spreadsheet into PCP 
archive logs
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 pcp-testsuite - Performance Co-Pilot (PCP) Test Suite
 pcp-zeroconf - Performance Co-Pilot (PCP) Zeroconf Package
 python3-pcp - Performance Co-Pilot Python3 PMAPI module
Closes: 1068389
Changes:
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2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Marvin Renich
Early in this meta-thread it was suggested to separate /tmp-is-tmpfs
from cleanup-of-{,/var}/tmp.  I am really surprised that nobody has
suggested the obvious separation of new installs from upgrades.

Changing the local configuration for either feature is trivial either
way.  I think the proposed changes are reasonable for _new_
_installations_.  However, making configuration changes on upgrade that
may potentially cause significant problems, even if only for a small
number of users, and even if they are currently abusing tmp directories,
seems unnecessary to me.

The release notes can say "The defaults for new installations have
changed.  For upgrades, if it will not cause a disruption on your
system, you can get the new behavior by changing these configuration
files"

Personally, I believe (for upgrades) changing tmp-is-tmpfs will have
much less disruptive effect overall than the cleanup of /var/tmp, but I
don't see any reason to force either change on upgrade.

...Marvin



Accepted mercurial 6.7.3-1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Hakan Bayındır  writes:

> The applications users use create these temporary files without users'
> knowledge. They work in their own directories, but applications create
> another job dependent state files in both /tmp and /var/tmp. These are
> different programs and I assure you they’re not created there because
> user (or we) configured something. These files live there during the
> lifetime of the job, and cleaned afterwards by the application.

Then someone should fix those applications, because that behavior will
result in user data loss if they're not fixed.  However, first one should
check whether the applications are just honoring TMPDIR or equivalent
variables, in which case TMPDIR on batch systems often should be set to a
user-specific or job-specific persistent directory for exactly this
reason.  That way you can use a user-specific cleanup strategy, such as
purging that directory when all of the user's jobs have finished.

I understand your point, which is that this pattern is out there in the
wild and Debian is in danger of breaking existing usage patterns by
matching the defaults of other distributions.  This is a valid point, and
I appreciate you making it.

My replies are not intended to dispute that point, but to say that the
burden of addressing this buggy behavior should not rest entirely on
Debian.  What the combination of batch system and application is doing is
semantically incorrect and is dangerous, and it really should be fixed.
Even if Debian changes nothing, at some point someone will deploy workers
with a different base operating system and be very surprised when these
files are automatically deleted.

We were automatically cleaning /tmp and /var/tmp on commercial UNIX
systems in 1995 and fixing broken applications that didn't honor TMPDIR.
This is not a new problem.  Nor is having /var/tmp fill up and cause all
sorts of system problems because someone turned off /var/tmp cleaning
while trying to work around broken applications.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Accepted xjdic 24-11.2 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Luca" == Luca Boccassi  writes:

Luca> On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 15:42, Richard Lewis
Luca>  wrote:
>> 
>> Luca Boccassi  writes:
>> 
>> > Hence, I am not really looking for philosophical discussions or
>> lists > of personal preferences or hypotheticals, but for facts:
>> what would > break where, and how to fix it?

ssh-agent appears to default to creating a socket under /tmp.
I think respecting $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR would be better.

/etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent also doesn't override where
the socket ends up.
I definitely think for session scripts like that $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR would
be better.


gnome-keyring's ssh-agent handles this better, although last time I
checked, it did not support pkcs11, so I could not use it with PIV
cards.
(Other parts of gnome-keyring do support pkcs11).



Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Hakan Bayındır



Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 May 2024, at 18:39, Holger Levsen  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 04:24:06PM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote:
>> Consider a long running task, which will take days or weeks (which is the
>> norm in simulation and science domains in general). System emitted a warning
>> after three days, that it'll delete my files in three days. My job won't be
>> finished, and I'll be losing three days of work unless I catch that warning.
> 
> Then it will be high time you learn not to abuse /tmp that way and
> work in your (or your services) home/data directory.
> 
> Problem easily avoided. plus you don't need to make /tmp 20 TB because you
> have lots of data. ;)
> 
> I'm a bit surprised how many people seem to really rely on data in /tmp
> to survive for weeks or even months. I wonder if they backup /tmp?
Me is figurative here. Neither me, nor my code nor our users abuse these 
folders. The applications they use create these files without users’ knowledge. 

And yes, these applications rely on the data they saved on /tmp during the job. 
Again, let me repeat. These are not users' files, but applications internal 
data which they automatically create.

And sometimes these /tmp folders are put on high speed internal NVMe RAIDs to 
allow multiple GPUs work together with lower latency, for weeks. 
> -- 
> cheers,
>Holger
> 
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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Hakan Bayındır



> On 7 May 2024, at 18:57, Russ Allbery  wrote:
> 
> Hakan Bayındır  writes:
>> Dear Russ,
> 
>>> If you are running a long-running task that produces data that you
>>> care about, make a directory for it to use, whether in your home
>>> directory, /opt, /srv, whatever.
> 
>> Sorry but, clusters, batch systems and other automated systems doesn't
>> work that way.
> 
> Yours might not, but I spent 20 years maintaining clusters and batch
> systems and I assure you that's how mine worked.
> 
That’s nice. We’re in it for the same duration. 
>> That's not an extension of the home directory in any way. After users
>> submit their jobs to the cluster, they neither have access to the
>> execution node, nor they can pick and choose where to put their files.
> 
>> These files may stay there up to a couple of weeks, and deleting
>> everything periodically will probably corrupt the jobs of these users
>> somehow.
> 
> Using /var/tmp for this purpose is not a good design decision.
> Directories are free; they can make a new one and point the files of batch
> jobs there.  They don't have to overload a directory that historically has
> different semantics and is often periodically cleared.  I get that this
> may not be your design or something you have control over, so telling you
> this doesn't directly help, but the point still stands.
> 
> Again, obviously the people configuring that cluster can configure it
> however they want, including overriding the /var/tmp cleanup policy.  But
> they're playing with fire by training users to use /var/tmp, and it's
> going to result in someone getting their data deleted at some point,
> regardless of what Debian does.
> 
You still assume that we direct users' home directories to /var/tmp or /tmp. 
This is not true, users work on their own home folders, on a different storage 
system. Possibly I didn’t myself clear enough. 

The applications users use create these temporary files without users' 
knowledge. They work in their own directories, but applications create another 
job dependent state files in both /tmp and /var/tmp. These are different 
programs and I assure you they’re not created there because user (or we) 
configured something. These files live there during the lifetime of the job, 
and cleaned afterwards by the application. 
> -- 
> Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  
> 



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Bug#1070709: ITP: primtux-multiples -- graphic representation of multiplications as grid patterns

2024-05-07 Thread Georges Khaznadar
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Georges Khaznadar 
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

* Package name: primtux-multiples
  Version : 3.0
  Upstream Contact: Arnaud Champollion 
* URL : https://forge.apps.education.fr/educajou/multiples/
* License : GPL2
  Programming Lang: Python3
  Description : graphic representation of multiplications as grid patterns

 This programm is part of the project Primtux (https://primtux.fr), which aims
 to provide simple and effective programs for teaching in primary schools.

The packaging will be maintained in https://salsa.debian.org/debian/primtux-
multiples



Accepted rust-sysctl 0.5.5-2 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Hakan Bayındır  writes:
> Dear Russ,

>> If you are running a long-running task that produces data that you
>> care about, make a directory for it to use, whether in your home
>> directory, /opt, /srv, whatever.

> Sorry but, clusters, batch systems and other automated systems doesn't
> work that way.

Yours might not, but I spent 20 years maintaining clusters and batch
systems and I assure you that's how mine worked.

> That's not an extension of the home directory in any way. After users
> submit their jobs to the cluster, they neither have access to the
> execution node, nor they can pick and choose where to put their files.

> These files may stay there up to a couple of weeks, and deleting
> everything periodically will probably corrupt the jobs of these users
> somehow.

Using /var/tmp for this purpose is not a good design decision.
Directories are free; they can make a new one and point the files of batch
jobs there.  They don't have to overload a directory that historically has
different semantics and is often periodically cleared.  I get that this
may not be your design or something you have control over, so telling you
this doesn't directly help, but the point still stands.

Again, obviously the people configuring that cluster can configure it
however they want, including overriding the /var/tmp cleanup policy.  But
they're playing with fire by training users to use /var/tmp, and it's
going to result in someone getting their data deleted at some point,
regardless of what Debian does.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  



Accepted gimp 2.10.38-1 (source) into unstable

2024-05-07 Thread Debian FTP Masters
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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 04:24:06PM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote:
> Consider a long running task, which will take days or weeks (which is the
> norm in simulation and science domains in general). System emitted a warning
> after three days, that it'll delete my files in three days. My job won't be
> finished, and I'll be losing three days of work unless I catch that warning.

Then it will be high time you learn not to abuse /tmp that way and
work in your (or your services) home/data directory.

Problem easily avoided. plus you don't need to make /tmp 20 TB because you
have lots of data. ;)

I'm a bit surprised how many people seem to really rely on data in /tmp
to survive for weeks or even months. I wonder if they backup /tmp?


-- 
cheers,
Holger

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Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Hakan Bayındır

Dear Russ,

It's not *me* using /var/tmp for my own temporary files, it's the 
applications other people use. I just logged in one of the nodes we have 
and there were job-dependent files created by a particular, high end 
scientific application (which is developed by another prominent 
company). This is neither in mine or users' control. It's the 
application they use, and I bet it has no setting for that.


> If you are running a long-running task that produces data that you
> care about, make a directory for it to use, whether in your home
> directory, /opt, /srv, whatever.

Sorry but, clusters, batch systems and other automated systems doesn't 
work that way.


> Not as an extension of people's home directory.

That's not an extension of the home directory in any way. After users 
submit their jobs to the cluster, they neither have access to the 
execution node, nor they can pick and choose where to put their files.


These files may stay there up to a couple of weeks, and deleting 
everything periodically will probably corrupt the jobs of these users 
somehow.


I for one understand that all the folders in a UNIX system have historic 
reasons and customs. I prefer to stick to the traditions and 
specifications come with them, however when you run a big system with 
tons of users who use tons of applications, I can't expect every 
software developer under the sun to know, understand and respect that 
conventions.


I just wanted to highlight a very prominent scenario from my vantage 
point, because it's the domain I'm working in.


> Your system is your system, so of course you can configure /var/tmp
> however you want and no one is going to stop you, but a lot of people
> on this thread are describing habits that are going to lose their data
> if they use a different distribution or even a differently-configured
> Debian distribution with tmpreaper installed.

Again, what I'm not describing is a *habit of mine*, but how many of the 
systems I interact with work, and there's no way to change that. I'm 
just pointing out how the systems we work with behave. We don't 
configure them that way. Heck, some of the applications our users use 
have no configuration file whatsoever.


I'm all for progress and a better, self-healing system, but I'm very 
against breaking things while doing that.


Cheers,

H.

On 7.05.2024 ÖS 5:32, Russ Allbery wrote:

Hakan Bayındır  writes:


Consider a long running task, which will take days or weeks (which is
the norm in simulation and science domains in general). System emitted a
warning after three days, that it'll delete my files in three days. My
job won't be finished, and I'll be losing three days of work unless I
catch that warning.


I have to admit that I'm a little surprised at the number of people who
are apparently using /var/tmp for things that are clearly not temporary
files in the traditional UNIX sense.  Clearly this bit of folk knowledge
is not as widespread as I thought, so we have to figure out how to deal
with that, but periodically deleting files out of /var/tmp has been common
(not universal, but common) UNIX practice for at least thirty years.

Whatever we do with /var/tmp retention, I beg people to stop using
/var/tmp for data you're keeping for longer than a few days and care about
losing.  That's not what it's for, and you *will* be bitten by this
someday, somewhere, because even with existing Debian configuration many
people run tmpreaper or similar programs.  If you are running a
long-running task that produces data that you care about, make a directory
for it to use, whether in your home directory, /opt, /srv, whatever.

/var/tmp's primary purpose historically was to support things like
temporary recovery files that needed to survive a system crash, but which
were still expected to be *temporary* in that one would then either use
the recovery file or expect it to be deleted.  Not as an extension of
people's home directory.

Your system is your system, so of course you can configure /var/tmp
however you want and no one is going to stop you, but a lot of people on
this thread are describing habits that are going to lose their data if
they use a different distribution or even a differently-configured Debian
distribution with tmpreaper installed.





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Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 15:53, Sam Hartman  wrote:
>
> > "Johannes" == Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues  
> > writes:
> >> > > If [files can be deleted automatically while mmdebstrap is using 
> them],
> >> > > how should applications guard against that from
> >> > > happening?
> >> >
> >> > As documented in tmpfiles.d(5), if mmdebstrap takes out an exclusive
> >> > flock(2) lock on its chroot's root directory, systemd-tmpfiles should
> >> > fail to take out its own lock on the directory during cleanup, and
> >> > respond to that by treating the directory as "in use" and skipping 
> it.
> >>
> >> That also works, but only as long as mmdebootstrap is actually
> >> running, and as far as I understand it is not a long-running service,
> >> not sure if it works for this use case
>
> Note that according to the man page, ctime is used as well as mtime.
> So for roots that are actually temporary, I don't think much needs to be
> done.
> It won't matter that the mtime might be old because the ctime should be
> consistent with when the root is unpacked.
>
> I do wish there were a way to specify for /var/tmp that directories
> under /var/tmp should be deleted in their entirety or entirely left
> alone.
> I realize we'd have a big debate about whether that was a good default,
> but I'd find it useful for my systems at least.

This is a reasonable RFE, and it has already been proposed some days
ago (in the right place, upstream):
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/32674



Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Johannes" == Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues  writes:
>> > > If [files can be deleted automatically while mmdebstrap is using 
them],
>> > > how should applications guard against that from
>> > > happening?
>> >
>> > As documented in tmpfiles.d(5), if mmdebstrap takes out an exclusive
>> > flock(2) lock on its chroot's root directory, systemd-tmpfiles should
>> > fail to take out its own lock on the directory during cleanup, and
>> > respond to that by treating the directory as "in use" and skipping it.
>> 
>> That also works, but only as long as mmdebootstrap is actually
>> running, and as far as I understand it is not a long-running service,
>> not sure if it works for this use case

Note that according to the man page, ctime is used as well as mtime.
So for roots that are actually temporary, I don't think much needs to be
done.
It won't matter that the mtime might be old because the ctime should be
consistent with when the root is unpacked.

I do wish there were a way to specify for /var/tmp that directories
under /var/tmp should be deleted in their entirety or entirely left
alone.
I realize we'd have a big debate about whether that was a good default,
but I'd find it useful for my systems at least.



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