Re: [Linux-ISP] NCR 825 ctrler

[Jon Lewis]

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

> Would you say the Buslogic is better due to higher cost? I've always 
> heard good things about the NCR controllers relative to Linux, but does 
> the fact that they are _much_ cheaper than the BT or Adaptec mean they 
> are poor performers? Has anyone made any comparisons?

There are definitely some shortcuts taken on the NCR or some bells and
whistles on the Buslogic...depending on how you look at it.  My impression
is that Buslogic has been as helpful as possible with Leonard Zubkoff
writing the Buslogic Linux driver.

The 825 has a BIOS...but the 810 based cards do not, and can't be used to
boot from a SCSI disk unless your system BIOS has the appropriate BIOS
extensions built in.  Most Pentiums do...but some don't.

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Re: where to put clock -s?

[Lars Wirzenius]

David Puryear:
> But when I do "date" and "clock" I get two different times. The
> time I get from "date" is way off. So I usually do "clock -s"
> and everything is fine. Any idea as why?

I've heard of rumours of some versions of the clock binary being
broken. Don't know which ones. I've also heard that the newest
version should be OK.

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Re: [Linux-ISP] NCR 825 ctrler

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks!

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Jon Lewis wrote:

> > > Anyone use it? Is it worth to buy it?
> 
> I've not gotten an 825 yet, but I have around a dozen 810's in use.
> They've become the standard FDT SCSI card.  At about $59 each, they're
> hard to pass up.  I'd get the 825 if you want fast-wide on a budget, or a
> BT-958 if you're not.  I'd pass on the Adaptec since they seem to be less
> cooperative about releasing programming info and the 29xx driver seems
> to have been slow to stabilize because of this (I assume).
> 
Would you say the Buslogic is better due to higher cost? I've always 
heard good things about the NCR controllers relative to Linux, but does 
the fact that they are _much_ cheaper than the BT or Adaptec mean they 
are poor performers? Has anyone made any comparisons?

Ricardo

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Re: The X story so far...

[edwalter]

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, John Labovitz wrote:

> Chris R. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I can start X by using "xinit" -- xdm STILL does NOTHING. 
> 
> finally found the magic incantation: simply add the following line to
> `/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers' (without the leading spaces):
> 
>   :0 my-x-server local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0
> 
> according to the comments in that file, installing xbase should set up
> this file correctly, but it didn't for me; perhaps i didn't specify at
> the time that i wanted xdm to run instead of using the xinit (aka
> startx) method.
> 

If you originally specified that you didn't want xdm runa s a default
and you later change your mind about running xdm, you must do the
following things:

First, edit /etc/X11/config and change the no-start-xdm to start-xdm
if you want xdm started at bootup.  Change no-xdm-start-server to
xdm-start-server if you want xdm to start a local server instead of
only accepting remote requests.

Second, anytime you make changes to this file, you should run
/usr/sbin/xbase-configure.  This will update all other files as needed
(including /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers).

This should solve your problems.  I hope this helps...

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Re: where to put clock -s?

[David Puryear]

Hi,

Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > I would like to run "clock -s" every time I start the machine.
> > What I need to know is where do I put this?
> 
> It should already be run automatically by /etc/init.d/boot.
> 

Here is what is on /etc/init.d/boot:

 # Set and adjust the CMOS clock.
 clock -s $GMT
 if [ ! -f /etc/adjtime ]
 then
   echo "0.0 0 0.0" > /etc/adjtime
 fi
 clock -a $GMT
 # Now that /usr/lib/zoneinfo should be available, announce the   local
time.
 echo
 echo "Local time: `date`"
 echo 

But when I do "date" and "clock" I get two different times. The
time I get from "date" is way off. So I usually do "clock -s"
and everything is fine. Any idea as why?

Thanks for any information,
David

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Re: [Linux-ISP] NCR 825 ctrler

[Jon Lewis]

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

> I saw a price list which had the NCR 825 controller, and it said it's a 
> Fast & Wide controller. Is that true? Why is it so much cheaper than the
> Adaptec, for example? Is it a poor performer? The price was about $100 
> cheaper than the adaptec.

The NCR 8xx based cards are typically very cheap and fast.  There are some
interesting comments about them in the SCSI-HOWTO.  I think they're cheap
because they are one of the first SCSI controllers to be totally
integrated into 1 chip.  The NCR 810 based card is basically one chip,
one 40mhz osscilator, a few capacitors and resistors and a PCI card. 

> > Anyone use it? Is it worth to buy it?

I've not gotten an 825 yet, but I have around a dozen 810's in use.
They've become the standard FDT SCSI card.  At about $59 each, they're
hard to pass up.  I'd get the 825 if you want fast-wide on a budget, or a
BT-958 if you're not.  I'd pass on the Adaptec since they seem to be less
cooperative about releasing programming info and the 29xx driver seems
to have been slow to stabilize because of this (I assume).


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Re: where to put clock -s?

[Lars Wirzenius]

David Puryear:
> I would like to run "clock -s" every time I start the machine.
> What I need to know is where do I put this?

It should already be run automatically by /etc/init.d/boot.

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NCR 825 ctrler

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi guys,

I saw a price list which had the NCR 825 controller, and it said it's a 
Fast & Wide controller. Is that true? Why is it so much cheaper than the
Adaptec, for example? Is it a poor performer? The price was about $100 
cheaper than the adaptec.

Anyone use it? Is it worth to buy it?

Thanks,
Ricardo

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Re: bash profile question

[Erik B Andersen]

Here you go, my /etc/profile file.  Not the cool thing I do with
xterms.  I put the current directory in the Xterm title bar.  Anyway, I
hope this helps.
 -Erik

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/sbin:\
/usr/bin:\
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/usr/bin/X11:\
/usr/games:\
/usr/local/bin:\
./
export PATH

### Primary prompt
#export PS1="`hostname`% "
#export PS1="\[\033[32;40m\]\h:\u\wi:% "
export PS1="[EMAIL PROTECTED] "


if [ $TERM = 'xterm' ] ; then
export PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]2;"[EMAIL PROTECTED]:`pwd`"\007"'
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fi

### Secondary prompt
export PS2="> "

### Prompt 3
export PS3="#? "

### Prompt 4
export PS4="+"

### Commandline
#set -o vi
export PAGER='/usr/bin/less'
export EDITOR='/usr/bin/X11/nedit'

eval `dircolors -b` # set up color-ls variables

alias ps='ps -acux '
alias af='ps -af'
alias cls='clear'
alias fortune='fortune -a'
alias newest="finger @linux.cs.helsinki.fi"
alias ll='/bin/ls --color=auto -laF'
alias ls='/bin/ls --color=auto -xF'
alias sh='bash'
alias wine='wine -managed'
  
### System limits
ulimit -f 8192
ulimit -c unlimited
umask 022

stty erase ^H

cmp -s /etc/motd /dev/null
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Re: smail does virtual domains?

[Gerry Jensen]

On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Daniel Stringfield wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Nelson Posse Lago wrote:

> > of the security leaks that appear every day; hopefully qmail/smail are 
> > better or, at least, less popular among hackers.
> 
> From what I know of mailers in general, qmail or smail is still
> susceptable to hacking.  I don't know much in the way of sendmail hacking,
> vs other mailer hacking, so someone correct me if I am wrong.

I don't know much about this either, but according to qmail's web page
(www.qmail.org), qmail was developed to fix the security holes in sendmail
and other MTAs, so it may be worth looking into.

> I think that its more of sendmail getting a bad aura due to its popularity
> in MOST platforms out there...

I think that was Nelson's point. A program that is less popular may be
more secure just because people are much less likely to have had any
previous experience hacking it. 

Gerry

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Re: TCP/IP SMB Connections

[Rick Macdonald]

Philip Hands wrote:
> 
> > Which brings me to question number 1:
> >  Where do I get TCP/IP protocol for Windoze for Workgroupies?  Microsoft's
> >  "techs" were no help.  "Whats TCP/IP?" one said.. 
> 
> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/Clients/WFW/TCP32B.EXE
> 
> You need two things: The 32 bit TCP stack (TCP32B.EXE); and the 32 bit 
> support for Windows (which has been called all sorts of things.  The copy I'm 
> using at present comes in a file called OLE32S13.EXE)

I have a related question. I occasionally run WFWG apps (netscape,
telnet/ftp)
from my Linux box. I've just changed from modem/ppp to ethernet
(3C509B)/isdn.
It's all set up and works fine (well, having troubles with nis).

Under Windose, with the TCP stack above, can I use all the clients that
worked
with the Trumpet winsock and ppp, or do I have to collect a whole new
batch
of apps?

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Re: looking for a sparc distribution

[Dominik Kubla]

Hello Eric,

There is currently no complete SPARC distribution. Seems to me that there is
a need for developers.  If you want to contribute, please contact the mailing
list: "debian-sparc@lists.debian.org" and ask "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to be put on
the developers lists.

Since there is no ready-to-install system the way to go is to install RedHat 
4.0
and convert it to Debian step-by-step.  At least that is what Miquel van
Smoorenburg did for the AXP port.

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looking for a sparc distribution

[Eric Delaunay]

Hello,

   I'm currently looking for a Debian-Sparc distribution but I can't find
anything on ftp site. Files under rex/binary-sparc are just symlinks to their
counterparts in binary-all :-(
Debian-sparc mailing list archive is also a bit out of date (last file
from April 96).
I would test Linux on a Sparc-ELC preferably using a Debian distribution.
Does anyone know how do I proceed ?
Where can I find a non official release ?
Which mailing lists to subscribe ?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: msql doesn't start when I boot

[Brian C. White]

> I installed the msql package and it tries to start itself from a script
> called "run-msqld" in /usr/sbin. The script runs msqld, waits for
> it to exit, mails a crash report to "msql" and then waits 15 seconds
> before trying to spawn it again.
> 
> Well, ever since I installed it, it's been filling my /var/spool/mail
> with crash reports. It seems that, every 15 seconds, msqld fails another
> attempt to bind to its port at 4333. (Yes, I've checked /etc/services and
> /etc/inetd.conf... nothings using that port).
> 
> Funny thing is: if I kill "run-msqld" and then re-run it (as root),
> msqld comes up just fine.
> 
> Any ideas? I figure this must be happening to some other folks since this
> happened to me *right* out of the box. I didn't tweak anything.

I've had problems with 'msqld' not starting due to permission and ownership
problems on the various msql directories.  Perhaps running it as root avoids
those problems.  I believe it runs as 'msql' when started at bootup.

Try purging the package and then manually deleting all directories that
dpkg couldn't.  Sometimes there are extra files around that don't allow
directories to be removed, and if they are not deleted then the re-install
won't change the permissions/ownership.

Then, re-install it from scratch.
 
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Re: The X story so far...

[Joey Hess]

>   :0 my-x-server local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0
> 
> `my-x-server' in the above line can be anything you want; i suppose in
> a single-user environment it doesn't matter.
> 
> according to the comments in that file, installing xbase should set up
> this file correctly, but it didn't for me; perhaps i didn't specify at
> the time that i wanted xdm to run instead of using the xinit (aka
> startx) method.

You know, when I installed debian a month ago, that _did_ get set up
properly by xbase, I think, but when I installed it again 3 days ago, I
had the same trouble you did.

But what's the "my-x-server" field for? I don't have that file in my file,
just:

:0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X

and it works fine.

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Re: sendmail log summary?

[Joey Hess]

> anyone know of any good sendmail log analysis scripts?
> 
> a friend wants to generate daily and weekly summaries of mail traffic
> on his system.

Well, this is a pretty wacky way to do it, but I produce useable logs by
running my sendmail logfiles through a filter that converts them to the
common log format used by web servers, and then processing that with a
good web log analysis program (I reccommend analog, which I maintain for
debian.)

For an example of the results, and a better explanation, see
http://kite.preferred.com/usage/mail_log.html

The filter program (which should handle both sendmail and smail logfiles),
is available at ftp://kite.preferred.com/pub/code/maillog2commonlog.pl

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Re: TCP/IP SMB Connections

[Philip Hands]

> Which brings me to question number 1:
>  Where do I get TCP/IP protocol for Windoze for Workgroupies?  Microsoft's 
>  "techs" were no help.  "Whats TCP/IP?" one said.. 

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/Clients/WFW/TCP32B.EXE

You need two things: The 32 bit TCP stack (TCP32B.EXE); and the 32 bit support 
for Windows (which has been called all sorts of things.  The copy I'm using at 
present comes in a file called OLE32S13.EXE)

I'm afraid I cannot remember which directory this is in, and the layout of MS's 
ftp site makes no sense to me so I can't even guess :-(   Also, they call the 
files silly names (the 32 bit stuff was called something like PW1118.EXE at one 
point).

> And of course question number 2:
>  Does anyone have any quick warnings that will save me some trouble, that
>  they can let me know about?

First set up the 32-bit stuff (run the self-extracting archive, then run the 
setup that gets created), then add the TCP stack (run the self-extract, then 
use ``Network Setup'' to add a protocol).

I find that samba performance is better if I remove the other protocols, since 
I run no non-TCP stuff on the network, browsing works much faster if it isn't 
trying to use anything other than TCP.

I think the samba docs. have more info on setting WfWg up as well.

Hope that helps.

Cheers, Phil.



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Re: msql doesn't start when I boot

[Nils Rennebarth]

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, CoB SysAdmin wrote:

>I installed the msql package and it tries to start itself from a script
>called "run-msqld" in /usr/sbin. The script runs msqld, waits for
>it to exit, mails a crash report to "msql" and then waits 15 seconds
>before trying to spawn it again.
>
>Well, ever since I installed it, it's been filling my /var/spool/mail 
>with crash reports. It seems that, every 15 seconds, msqld fails another
>attempt to bind to its port at 4333. (Yes, I've checked /etc/services and
>/etc/inetd.conf... nothings using that port).
>
>Funny thing is: if I kill "run-msqld" and then re-run it (as root),
>msqld comes up just fine. 
>
>Any ideas? I figure this must be happening to some other folks since this
>happened to me *right* out of the box. I didn't tweak anything.
same to me. Solution (as root):
   chmod -R msql.msql /var/run/msql
The ownership of the installed files is wrong.
I hope this is the right fix. Something like this had already been filed as
a bug report.

Nils

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Re: TCP/IP SMB Connections

[Adam Shand]

>Which brings me to question number 1:
> Where do I get TCP/IP protocol for Windoze for Workgroupies?  Microsoft's 
> "techs" were no help.  "Whats TCP/IP?" one said.. 

Get MS's TCP/IP Stack, for Ethernet it's better then Trumpet.
>From the Samba Homepage (http://lake.canberra.edu.au/pub/samba/)

"Microsoft Clients

Microsoft's various clients, including WFWG3.11, LanMan, MSClient 3.0 for
DOS, can be found at ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/Clients/. Check the
ReadMe file for details at
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/Clients/README.NOW. Please Note, WinNT and
Win95 don't need any extra client software in order to run Samba. These OS's
come standard with TCP/IP which is all you need."

>And of course question number 2:
> Does anyone have any quick warnings that will save me some trouble, that
> they can let me know about?

Nope it's pretty easy.  Read the warnings though or you could make all of
your Windoze hard drives world readable :(

Adam.

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Re: color for minicom?

[Ezio Manini]

On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Chris R. Martin wrote:

> I installed the minicom package, but I cannot get any colors to work on
> it. The screens always come up in plain grey on black.
> 
> I have all the ncurses stuff installed. Is there an env variable I need to
> set or something?

'minicom -c on' = command line

Or

MINICOM='-c on'
EXPORT MINICOM

env variable

> Thanks, Chris.

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msql doesn't start when I boot

[Joe Emenaker]

I installed the msql package and it tries to start itself from a script
called "run-msqld" in /usr/sbin. The script runs msqld, waits for
it to exit, mails a crash report to "msql" and then waits 15 seconds
before trying to spawn it again.

Well, ever since I installed it, it's been filling my /var/spool/mail 
with crash reports. It seems that, every 15 seconds, msqld fails another
attempt to bind to its port at 4333. (Yes, I've checked /etc/services and
/etc/inetd.conf... nothings using that port).

Funny thing is: if I kill "run-msqld" and then re-run it (as root),
msqld comes up just fine. 

Any ideas? I figure this must be happening to some other folks since this
happened to me *right* out of the box. I didn't tweak anything.

- Joe

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Re: netscape

[Nick Busigin]

On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, besnard wrote:

> 
> I selected netscape package in dselect and put netscape-v30tar.gz.
> 
> But it still doesn't work!!
> 
> I decompressed manually but when i type netscape in the directory, it
> does not find the application whereas it is in.
> 
> Any suggestion?

It worked for me!  I used netscape_3.0-1.deb with
netscape-v30-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz in the /tmp directory and
it worked like a charm.  Perhaps you didn't have the netscape tar.gz file
in /tmp ? 

Best regards,

 Nick

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Re: The X story so far...

[Chris R. Martin]

Thanks, Jon!! This fixed it!!

MY question now goes to the Debian maintainers.. WHY is this not WELL
documented?? This should certainly be in a info file somewhere!!

Thanks to all who replied.
Chris.

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, John Labovitz wrote:

> Chris R. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I can start X by using "xinit" -- xdm STILL does NOTHING. 
> 
> the problem is probably that xdm is running, but waiting for a
> connection from an X server (or is it client?  argh!).  this seems to
> be the default for xdm; you have to specially configure it to use a
> local server.
> 
> i spent a couple of hours last weekend trying to make xdm work, and
> finally succeeded.  after poring over incomprehensible X manpages, i
> finally found the magic incantation: simply add the following line to
> `/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers' (without the leading spaces):
> 
>   :0 my-x-server local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0
> 
> `my-x-server' in the above line can be anything you want; i suppose in
> a single-user environment it doesn't matter.
> 
> according to the comments in that file, installing xbase should set up
> this file correctly, but it didn't for me; perhaps i didn't specify at
> the time that i wanted xdm to run instead of using the xinit (aka
> startx) method.
> 
> disclaimer: i may have forgotten another incantation that's required
> to run xdm.  i know i messed with a bunch of files, but i do remember
> that this was an important key.
> 
> john
> 

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where to put clock -s?

[David Puryear]

Hi all,

I would like to run "clock -s" every time I start the machine.
What I need to know is where do I put this?

Thanks for any information,
David

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TCP/IP SMB Connections

[Daniel Stringfield]

I'm about to setup a Debian Linux box on an existing TCP/IP network.
The network has 1 SCO OpenServer 5 system running as a database system,
that has about 40 incoming dedicated connections, all capable of accessing
the TCP/IP network..(Ranging from 19.2k to T1 w/frame)  What we want to is
have everyone that currently telnets in to the SCO box via Tinyterm, a dos
program, be able to access the Linux box as a SMB server.  I'll be running
the Samba Server, of course.

Which brings me to question number 1:
 Where do I get TCP/IP protocol for Windoze for Workgroupies?  Microsoft's 
 "techs" were no help.  "Whats TCP/IP?" one said.. 

And of course question number 2:
 Does anyone have any quick warnings that will save me some trouble, that
 they can let me know about?

TIA!

Daniel
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Re: The X story so far...

[John Labovitz]

Chris R. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can start X by using "xinit" -- xdm STILL does NOTHING. 

the problem is probably that xdm is running, but waiting for a
connection from an X server (or is it client?  argh!).  this seems to
be the default for xdm; you have to specially configure it to use a
local server.

i spent a couple of hours last weekend trying to make xdm work, and
finally succeeded.  after poring over incomprehensible X manpages, i
finally found the magic incantation: simply add the following line to
`/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers' (without the leading spaces):

  :0 my-x-server local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0

`my-x-server' in the above line can be anything you want; i suppose in
a single-user environment it doesn't matter.

according to the comments in that file, installing xbase should set up
this file correctly, but it didn't for me; perhaps i didn't specify at
the time that i wanted xdm to run instead of using the xinit (aka
startx) method.

disclaimer: i may have forgotten another incantation that's required
to run xdm.  i know i messed with a bunch of files, but i do remember
that this was an important key.

john

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sendmail log summary?

[Craig Sanders]

anyone know of any good sendmail log analysis scripts?

a friend wants to generate daily and weekly summaries of mail traffic
on his system.

Craig

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Re: manipulating the From header with smail + elm

[Larry 'Daffy' Daffner]

Marcel Burggraeve writes:
-> My systemname is debian but my provider has another ( offcourse ;-)
-> When I post mail to someone via my provider I want my From header
-> looking like : [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of graeve or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-> I've read all about smail and elm ( I think ) but cannot find a
-> solution.

smailconfig should take care of this, if you answer the questions
right :)

If you haven't changed anything by hand under /etc/smail, try running
"smailconfig --force".  It will ask you what type of mail system you
havem, you want to answer 3 for sattelite.  Then it will ask what the
system name should be on outgoing mail, type cistron.nl. Finally, it
asks you what machine to send outgoing mail to. Here, type in the name
of your mailhost.  Everything should work nicely, then.

If you've customized other things under smail, you want to edit
/etc/smail/config and add "visible_name=cistron.nl".  For more
details, do a man 5 smail.

HTH

-Larry

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Re: Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work under X?

[Bernd Eckenfels]

Hi,

> |The way we have handled this at a customer installation is that
> |we created a user "shutdown" who was privileded to run shutdown.
> 
> You are not the only one to suggest this... the problem with this is
> that it is highly insecure (well, you might say so is C-A-Del from the
> keyboard, but this implies access to a card-controlled, monitored
> room in our case), people can reboot from all over the net. And our
> machines are teaching PCs, i.e. connected to the net.

There is no problem with checking for /dev/ttyXX as the controlling tty of
he shutdown user's login.

Greetings
Bernd
y

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