Re: Tape Back-ups Was: Ftape
Rob, I still haven't got ftape reinstalled here, so I don't have any new suggestions other than that you might want to ask for help on the 'linux-tape@vger.rutgers.edu' list. Claus-Justice Heine, the ftape author, is quite active on that list. I understand that he has just released a kernel patch for ftape-3.04d. Bob On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Pure Energy wrote: Lets start this with a few *sighs* :/ I have now recompiled kernel 2.0.32 fine. The compile went fine and with no errors at all. I made sure that ftape *was not* included. After editing the MCONFIG file and compiling ftape yet again it still doesn't work.. i get errors as such: ftmt: command not found ftmt: /dev/qft0: Device not configured /usr/include/ioctls.h:23: asm/ioctls.h: No such file or directory /usr/include/ioctls.h:24: linux/sockios.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/include/sys/ioctl.h:30, and too many others that i will not get into. I have fought, argued, and bitched at/with ftape now for months. I'm tired of it and sick of going over all the docs. So I have decided to give the iomega ditto 2 gig drive to my wife as it works great under window3.11. I have moved it there and she has finished a full backup of her computer with it. Now my question is Can someone tell me a good inexpensive (100.00 - 300.00) tape drive that *is* supported with dependable drivers under debian/Linux? Are there any tape drives which have drivers included in the kernels? What are they? The drive should be able to backup atleast 1 gig min per tape. Thanx and sorry for the bitching :/ --Rob PS.. My appologies to the maintainer of ftape Christian Meder as this is not meant to be a flame and/or complaint against him or Ftape. I will say that the documentation and the webpages are very well done. --- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Netscape 3.04 Bus Error
Hi there, I was wondering if any of you have come across Netscape 3.04 exiting with a Bus error. It is not a critical problem just every now and again it decides to exit for me. Thanks, -- Robert Moody Sysop of Programmer's Test BBS. Running well on Debian ver 1.3 Kernel 2.0.27 http://www.zsd.co.za/~ptest/ e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Page +27 (0)82 3070225 Fax : +27 (0)21 725317 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: greenbush
Jens wrote, Mark, making this sort of remark is probably unethical (if you have only hearsay rather than person experience on which to base your accusations) and just plain uncool. Did you order a cdrom and never receive it? I did. And as soon as I sent him an email about it he sent me out the cdrom I'd ordered immediately, explaining that the person who'd handled shipping had been let go (to put it mildly) and that a lot of records had been lost, adding his apologies. Also, several monhts ago, when we were converting machines here from windows, he simply donated a master CD pair to us. Hearing what we were doing, he simply sent them. rick -- These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: greenbush
No wait a minute here, I do not know any of the people involved with this company but, I received a message from paul asking me if I wanted to wait 1 more day for some additional files and I said yes. The the weather hit and I have not heard any more from them. He answered every message I send before the weather. I have no reason to think he is anything but on the up and up, I have heard some people complaining about him on this list. I just wanted to know if it is the weather ? Ever try to cut a cdrom without electricity ? I have heard that there are thousands of people in that area of the country with out power. Maybe your right and he is not playing nice with others, but I have no first hand experience. On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Mark W. Blunier wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Geoffrey Deasey KD4WVF wrote: Has anyone heard from greenbush, I ordered a cd and then when the bad weather hit up north, have not heard from them. I hope everyone is ok up there in snow land.. Call up your credit card company quick. Otherwise you'll end up the the rest of us - srewed out of our money by Wade Bush and company. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape 3.04 Bus Error
I was wondering if any of you have come across Netscape 3.04 exiting with a Bus error. It is not a critical problem just every now and again it decides to exit for me. Sure. Netscrape is not particularly well-written software. It crashes fairly often, under Linux or Windows or whatever. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
What makes RH that much simpler to use?? I find dselect simple, and linux == linux so config files are fairly standard. Yet I have heard I have been using Linux for about 5 years and am currently administering an ISP (running Linux). I did not expect much trouble installing debian, however the first time I had a lot of trouble with dselect. --Jeff -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
There is work being done on improving the installation. The problems do arise from the great flexibility of debian. I agree that not trying to install everything in one pass is the way to go. It makes things much simpler. In the end, I think the debian packaging system does a good job of maintaining the integrity of the system. There is a strict set of rules that maintainers have to follow when making a package. The aim of the rules is to maintain the quality and integrity of the system. On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, George Bonser wrote: I think it is because of the conflict resolution screen and the fact that Debian offers more alternatives than Red Hat. Maybe there are TOO MANY alternatives offered for a new install. Example ... try selecting cnews on a clean instll and it throws you into the conflict resolution screen right away. Red Hat gives you no choice in the matter, if you want news transport you get inn. Newbies also tend to install too much in the initial dselect menu causing a lot of time in conflict resolution. About the only thing I do the firstr time through dselect is unselect emacs and select the MTA that I want and let the rest of it install from its defaults. Then I run it a second time to change things. I find that I have a LOT less trouble this way. On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Shaleh wrote: What makes RH that much simpler to use?? I find dselect simple, and linux == linux so config files are fairly standard. Yet I have heard that comment numerous times -- debian is too much of a learning curve. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . George Bonser If NT is the answer, you didn't understand the question. (NOTE: Stolen sig) http://www.debian.org Debian/GNU Linux ... the maintainable operating system. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape 3.04 Bus Error
I was wondering if any of you have come across Netscape 3.04 exiting with a Bus error. It is not a critical problem just every now and again it decides to exit for me. Happens here too, especially while I started into hamm, but seemed to get better as I installed more hamm packages (still don't have all the latest stuff though). For example, the java script at the four week archive at http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/peanuts/ (ok, I just tried it with js on and it worked, *shrug*) likes to crash netscape on me. Also, certain menu options like to disappear (e.g. copy link location with the right mouse button just disappeared). It's a good incentive for a project like (dang it... browser crashed) mnemonic to mature: http://oloon.student.utwente.nl/~mnemonic/ Enough of my complaining. Netscape gets the job done even if it's a poorly designed, bloated, memory/color hog. Brandon P.S. I hope everyone has looked at the latest from www.distributed.net. They are working on the des project and are only expecting to take several weeks on this one. - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xanim
I finally tried 'xanim' and that's one slick package. While the command line interface is fairly easy to work with, has anyone designed a menu interface so that like 'mc' (midnight commander), one can use the arrow keys and such to select a movie for display? -- -= Sent by Debian 1.3 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@westgac3.dragon.com Remove @_@ for correct Email address --... ...-- ... -.. . -.- -.. - -.-. .. -.- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: plog
On Mon, Jan 19, 1998 at 06:49:33PM -0500, James Dietrich wrote: My 'plog' command has stopped working--by that I mean that when I type 'plog' nothing is printed. And possibly related is the fact that my ppp.log files are empty. I'm running the latest from hamm. Any ideas? For some reason, the 'syslog.conf' file distributed with the latest version of the 'sysklogd' package doesn't include an entry for ppp.log. You can add the following one: local2.*-/var/log/ppp.log -- Adam Klein -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
On 19-Jan-1998, George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is because of the conflict resolution screen and the fact that Debian offers more alternatives than Red Hat. Maybe there are TOO MANY alternatives offered for a new install. Example ... try selecting cnews on a clean instll and it throws you into the conflict resolution screen right away. Red Hat gives you no choice in the matter, if you want news transport you get inn. Newbies also tend to install too much in the initial dselect menu causing a lot of time in conflict resolution. About the only thing I do the firstr time through dselect is unselect emacs and select the MTA that I want and let the rest of it install from its defaults. Then I run it a second time to change things. I find that I have a LOT less trouble this way. I suspect a sensible default system will fix this. You can probably expect that future incarnations of dselect (deity) will allow support for groupings of packages, which will have the conflicts already taken care of. Then you can just say I'm a newbie, give me a typical newbie system and will get a usuable default. Once you're ready, you can go play with the alternatives. At the moment, Debian seems to be more popular as a second system -- once you've tried a different Linux first, or used other Unix systems you appreciate and enjoy the flexibility of the Debian system. -- Tyson Dowd # # Surreal humour isn't eveyone's cup of [EMAIL PROTECTED]# fur. http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~trd # -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Sony VAIO Notebook
Hi, I'd like to know if there is any Debian/Linux support for Sony VAIO Notebook in term of special kernel/X11/modem/etc of anykind? Thanks! -- Timothy C. Phan Intelligence Quest Research, INC. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: greenbush
On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Mark W. Blunier wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Geoffrey Deasey KD4WVF wrote: Has anyone heard from greenbush, I ordered a cd and then when the bad weather hit up north, have not heard from them. I hope everyone is ok up there in snow land. Call up your credit card company quick. Otherwise you'll end up the the rest of us - srewed out of our money by Wade Bush and company. Mark, making this sort of remark is probably unethical (if you have only hearsay rather than person experience on which to base your accusations) and just plain uncool. Did you order a cdrom and never receive it? I did. And as soon as I sent him an email about it he sent me out the cdrom I'd ordered immediately, explaining that the person who'd handled shipping had been let go (to put it mildly) and that a lot of records had been lost, adding his apologies. I have seen several posts from people indicating that they did not get what they order. I as well did not receive my full order. I ordered a three month subscription, After I got billed, but did not receive any cds, I emailed him. He said he had sent two months disks out already, but He would send a replacement CD set out. I received one set a few days later, but that was It. Any other emails I sent were unacknowledged. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Swap Used is getting Bigger, BIGGER and B I G G E R!
Does anyone know why the free command would report that the swap space used is growing? A lot? Is there a swap leak bug? For example, no swap is being used immediately after booting the box. This is good. Then after using various and sundry applications, AND EXITING OUT OF THEM, the free command reports that their swap space is still being used! In fact, the amount of swap space used keeps increasing instead of leveling off. I'm reasonably certain that unless drastic measures are taken soon, it will probably eat New Jersey. ;-) It seems to me that swap space isn't being relinquished because the sum of the individual swap spaces used by each process as reported by the SWAP column of the ps -auxm command is less than the total swap space used which the free command reports. It's like some kind of swap leak. I've noticed this behavior with both the 2.0.30 and 2.0.32 kernels. Thanks, Kingsley -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: AccelX on Hamm
On a related note -- what is the best way to install Accelx4.1 on a hamm or bo system?? Last time I tried (I was running bo) it overwrote xfree's xkb and a few other things. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] $Id: packages.sgml,v 1.67 1998/01/20 04:59:47 johnie Exp $ 1. General Questions 1.1. Before reading this document You should have read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/. 1.2. Purpose of this document This document is intended to identify areas that need your contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ. 1.3. Getting newer versions of this document Newer versions of this document will be available via FTP and HTTP: o http://www.debian.org/doc/prospective-packages.html o ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-developer/prospective- packages.txt o ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-developer/prospective- packages.html 1.4. Feedback Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to the WNPP maintainer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mention to which version of this document your comments refer. Try to change the subject of your mail to reflect the packages you're talking about, it makes it easier for to sort out all Re: Work- Needing and Prospective Packages emails. A suggested subject line reads WNPP: removing foopackage or WNPP: working on barpackage. Thanks. 2. Recent Changes 2.1. Since version 1.66 1998/01/12 o New maintainer Randall Loomis mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has adopted bridge and bridgex. o Eric Prestemon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has adopted freelip. o A.F.R. Bain mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has adopted ftnchek and ratfor77. o GNU R is uploaded. o The xtar suite and Kmodplayer are now orphaned. o Anders Hammarquist mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has adopted knfs. o The dhcp, dhcp-beta, tama (Net Tamagotchi server), wanpipe (kernel WAN tools) and zed (editor) packages are now available for adoption from Christoph Lameter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. 3. Orphaned packages (An orphaned package is a package that has no current maintainer.) Please inform [EMAIL PROTECTED] via e-mail: o when you find that you need to orphan a package o when you believe that the following list is incomplete o when you would like to maintain one of these packages. Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o Kmodplayer Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o xtar-dmotif o xtar-smotif Andreas Jellinghaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o kde o giflib Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o blt Helmut Geyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o ghostview o libc5 o libc5-altdbg o libc5-altdev o libc6.1 o libc6.1-dbg o libc6.1-dev o libc6.1-pic o libproc-dev o xxgdb Orn E. Hansen : o xega o xmailtool Yves Arrouye [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o compress-package o ppd-adobe-common, ppd-adobe-extra, ppd-adobe-misc, ppd-gs o psptools Dominik Kubla [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o csh Brian C. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o zyxel Raul D. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o j1 (in old source format) o sam Jim Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o mh-papers o term Doug Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o apsfilter Erick Branderhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o mathpad o mfbasfnt o wenglish Christian Linhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o xarchie o bibindex Stuart Lamble [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o fsp Guy R. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o dld (do we still need this ?) Patrick J Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o mailpgp Robert Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o motifnls David Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o tcl74 o tcl75 o tk40 o tk41 Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o tclx74 o tclx75 o tix40 Michael Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o javalex o java-cup o rsynth Karl Sackett [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o courtney o groupkit o imgstar o lee o objpak o pgapack o premail o saoimage o snns o tcs o wily o xbattle o xephem-smotif Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o hyperlatex o latex2rtf Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o gettyps Others: o rc o xcompat (should we drop it ?) o libc4 (a.out compatibility) 4. Packages needing a new maintainer Please inform [EMAIL PROTECTED] via e-mail: o when you find that you'd like to discontinue maintaining a package Please inform [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the mainatiner of the package: o when you would like to maintain one of the packages. Vincent Renardias [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; o scilab Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o seyon o lpr Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o staroffice3 Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] : o dhcp o dhcp-beta o tama (Net Tamagotchi server) o wanpipe (Tools for kernel WAN functionality) o zed (editor) o adpkg o berolist o bonnie o debsums o defrag o dhcpd o floppybackup o freefont o fvwm95 o gpc o gpc-doc
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
Tyson Dowd said: At the moment, Debian seems to be more popular as a second system -- once you've tried a different Linux first, or used other Unix systems you appreciate and enjoy the flexibility of the Debian system. I would definitly agree with that observation. I am currently setting a freind who has never used any unix b4 (short of logging in and using pine on his schools system) I am setting him up with redhat and until recently I loved RedHat. Now that my Linux box crashed (its a real tribute to linux...I see Win95 boxes crashing all the time... sometimes 2-3 times a day...where as my linux box was up 62 days and died at a major hardware failure...the last tim eit was down was 62 days before...during a power outage!) After problems had with redhat (I find redhat doesn't allow much for growth meaning as in you are becommin gmore advanced and wanting to do more advanced things) Once I get a new hard drive...I am installing Debian on it. tho..this isn't my seonc dsystem... its my 4th (1st was only for a month suel booting...same fo rthe 2nd...till this dedicated one for 3rd) -Steve -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Updating the kernel via patches
Regarding Updating the kernel via patches of 5:14 PM +0100 1/19/98, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: recently I tried to update my kernel (2.0.30) to version 2.0.33. I used the script patch-kernel (I hope the name is right) and the files patch-2.0.31.gz patch-2.0.32.gz patch-2.0.33.gz The 'kernel-source-2.0.30' package already has some patches applied, which is why the above patches won't apply cleanly. -- Joel Espy Klecker Debian GNU/Linux Developermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.espy.org/http://www.debian.org/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
notes on upgrading to hamm
I started with an up to date bo distribution, and used the 'upgrade' script (version 0.11) that was posted to the list a few days ago. It mostly worked, but there were three problems. After running the upgrade script, any new bashes that i start dont work with vi keybindings, even if i run set -o vi manually. This may become fixed after i install more packages, i dont know. I had a problem with timezones. Before, with bo, you couldnt select the Pacific timezone, tzconfig would complain that it was ambiguous with Pacific-New. So, i had my timezone set to Pacific-New, and the timezones package didnt like that. The upgrade script exited, and it wasnt clear wether that was a normal termination or not. I ran tzconfig by hand, set the timezone to Pacific, and reran the upgrade script, and everything worked well. After running the upgrade script, dselect didnt work... This was a little scary. I configured the package source (using the 'Access' menu option) to use ftp.debian.org (also tried a couple of mirrors, same problem), base directory /debian, distributions unstable, non-free, and contrib. It complained it couldnt find the Packages file for unstable. If i told it to use /debian/dists/unstable for the debian directory and get distributions main, non-free, and contrib, it could get the three Packages files, but would fail when it actually tried to download. It would cd to the debian directory i entered above, but then tack on dists/unstable again. Sounds like the Packages-files-getting logic doesnt know about the new ftp site directory layout. The .deb-files-getting logic does seem to know about the new directory layout. The workaround was to download the Packages files by hand, set the Access options as the first one tried above, and then install the Packages files by hand. I'm downloading the rest of the packages now, we'll see how that goes. All in all i think the upgrade went really smooth. Good job guys! Sebastian -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V98 #102
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Re: Netscape 3.04 Bus Error
On Mon, Jan 19, 1998 at 11:55:42PM +0200, Robert Moody wrote: I was wondering if any of you have come across Netscape 3.04 exiting with a Bus error. It is not a critical problem just every now and again it decides to exit for me. What files do you have under (from memory) /usr/linux-libc1/X11? Some missing symlinks will stop Netscape from starting properly, with a bus error or segfault. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: can't install buzz!
Hamish Moffatt wrote: Any ideas? I want to install buzz to test the auto-upgrade. Might have to use rex disks. All the hardware I have is an IDE hard drive, a floppy drive, an ISA IDE controller, a Trident 8900CL video card, and a 486DX2-66 overdrive chip, and 16mb RAM. It doesn't seem to be crashing because of some hardware fault, just a bad kernel probe. That's a ways back. I had that happen. *If* I remember correctly it had to do with using the dma channels to access the EIDE. I believe I got the error from not allowing the PCI BIOS to handle the interupts for the EIDE. It was either that or due to using LBA instead of normal. One of those. I know I fixed it in the BIOS settings pertaining to the EIDE. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: can't install buzz!
[snip] Joost wrote: When testing bo when it was frozen, I encountered similar problems with a 486dx40 with 8 MB ram, a vesa-localbus Trident 9000, vesa-localbus ide interface + ide drive, a ne2000 and a matsushita cdrom interface + cdrom. IIRC it hung while the md driver was probing, but that's how I remember it, not how I understand it (I don't.) It's likely something that has to do with a vesa-localbus ide interface. Here at work I have a 486dx66 with a scsi interface + drive, no ide at all and the bo bootdisk worked just fine. Hmm, I have an AMD 486DX4 with vesa local bus ide interface and had no problem at all running the bo rescue disk. Furthermore there is a GUS, a Diamond stealth Pro vlb, and a Wearnes cdrom interface in the machine. Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: can't install buzz!
On Tue, Jan 20, 1998 at 02:48:42AM -0500, Rick Jones wrote: That's a ways back. I had that happen. *If* I remember correctly it had to do with using the dma channels to access the EIDE. I believe I got the error from not allowing the PCI BIOS to handle the interupts for the EIDE. It was either that or due to using LBA instead of normal. One of those. I know I fixed it in the BIOS settings pertaining to the EIDE. Hmmm. Weird. I have block mode, LBA and all those things disabled, and it's an ISA IDE controller. Anyway I got it running with some special 2.0.18 boot disks on the Debian 1.1.11 CD I have. 1.1.1 seemed to have some special kernels but not special boot disks. Working nicely now. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
problem with xman
Hi ! After I installed Debian-Linux on my system there is still one problem with xman - xman does'nt use the same quantity of manpages like man ! e.g. man scanf shows the manpage of scanf but xman says: no manual entry for scanf. How can I update the uses database from xman so that it uses all manpages ??! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
A Problem Booting with Rescue Disk
I am trying to install Debian for the first time. When I try to boot the Rescue Disk, it stops and stalls at the Hard Disk Partition Check. That is while booting you will have something that looks like: Partition Check. hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 hdb: hdb1 hdb2 hdb3 and then it should continue booting. I get: Partition Check. hda: And it stalls. I have redhat and slackware on this same computer, and they boot fine, so I know there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the partitions. I am at a lose about what to do because I can't even get the rescue disk to boot. Has anyone else ever had this problem? P.S. The problem is not the floppy. I was able to boot with the floppy on another computer. Rob Robert Bickel, Lecturer Department of Mechanical Systems Engineering Tokyo University of Agriculture and Technology 2-24-16 Nakacho, Koganei-shi, Tokyo 184 Phone: +81-423-88-7103 FAX: +81-423-85-7204 Home: +81-422-42-5615 Cellular: +81-30-691-7580 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kichijoji.mech.tuat.ac.jp/~rob/robw.html In Japanese 東京農工大学、講師 〒184東京都小金井市中町2ー14ー16 電話：0423-88-7103 ファックス： 0423-85-7204 自宅電話：0422-42-5615 携帯電話 :030-691-7580 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
lynx -show_cursor
Hallo, Since upgrading to Debian 1.3.1 lynx would not show the cursor on a tty. I then tried to solve the problem by putting show_cursor=on in both my ~/.lynxrc and /etc/lynx.cfg files, but that did not make any difference. Why? I solved the problem by putting alias lynx=lynx -show_cursor in my .bash_aliases. But why did the changes to the config-files not work? Johann Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windsorlaan 19 Pietermaritzburg 3201 Suid Afrika (South Africa) Tel/Faks Nr. +27 331-46-1310 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape 3.04 Bus Error
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What files do you have under (from memory) /usr/linux-libc1/X11? Some missing symlinks will stop Netscape from starting properly, with a bus error or segfault. Not the infamous xlibc bug again! :) The path is /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/X11. It needs links from there to the follow files in the libc6 X11R6 libraries. XerrorDB XKeysymDB app-defaults locales -- Stephen --- Normality is a statistical illusion. -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: greenbush
Since so many people complain about Greenbush Technologies delivery record, here's a success story: A friend ordered cd's from Paul Wade' company and he got them delivered pretty fast (in days), considered that the cd's had to be sent to Europe. So, at times, they do get it right. The cd's were also quite cheap, cheaper than the bo cd's some other vendors sell (can't beat lsl et al. though.) Considering the price and the effort he has to put in, it seems that Greenbush is not making much of a profit from this enterprise. It may not at all be fair to expect from him that his company can live up to highest standards. According to Paul Wade, they had some trouble in the past with employees and he promised to make up to customers that suffered from it. Right now, it seems he's struck by the elements, you can't really get mad at him for that - he's probably more inconvenienced by it himself than anybody else. Please give the guy - and yourself - a break. If you've ordered a cd from Greenbush in the past and it wasn't handled to full customer satisfaction (little irony here), don't whine, but try to get your act together yourself. Get organised, make a list of everybody to whom Paul W. owes a cd and try to get through to him with that. I can't believe that a constructive tone wouldn't be answered with constructive action. On a side note, here in Holland, a while not so long there were lots of problems with InfoMagic reported on the llocal linux user group mailinglist. After payment no deliveries and probably worse response than from Greenbush. So even the bigger companies occasionally have problems. Now if I tell you that in Holland an InfoMagic cd set with a stable debian cd that is 3 months old (which they produce by the *thousands) costs about as much as a (note: succesful) overseas delivery of a custom greenbush unstable cd, you may imagine that I feel that - however bad business record indeed - it is not very fair to write off Greenbush altogether. Cheers, Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Updating the kernel via patches
On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Joel Klecker wrote: Regarding Updating the kernel via patches of 5:14 PM +0100 1/19/98, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: recently I tried to update my kernel (2.0.30) to version 2.0.33. I used the script patch-kernel (I hope the name is right) and the files patch-2.0.31.gz patch-2.0.32.gz patch-2.0.33.gz The 'kernel-source-2.0.30' package already has some patches applied, which is why the above patches won't apply cleanly. Get the kernel-source-*.diff.gz from the source tree inthe debian archive and you can see what the patches are. Cheers, Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: version 0.8 of libc5 to libc6 auto-upgrade script
On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote: Hi, Craig! I updated libc5 to libc6 on 2 computers (Debian 1.3 was installed in Nov-97 and Feb-97) using your script. Worked fine for me. glad to hear it. Updating the rest of the packages with dselect is still quite painful. worse than ever now :-). there are over 1700 packages in hamm (counting main, contrib, non-free, and non-US)...several hundred more than in bo. Thank you, you're welcome. upgrading to hamm isn't for everyone yet (not for the faint of heart), but i'm glad my script helps those who chose to take the plunge. if you ran into any problems at all, please report them to debian-testing@lists.debian.org i would recommend to anyone who does choose to upgrade to hamm that they take notes and report any problems to that address. craig -- craig sanders -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: version 0.8 of libc5 to libc6 auto-upgrade script
On Tue, Jan 20, 1998 at 10:05:03PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: worse than ever now :-). there are over 1700 packages in hamm (counting main, contrib, non-free, and non-US)...several hundred more than in bo. Just FYI, there are only 460 odd in main in buzz! That's progress ... Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ftpproxy with dselect
Here's a pretty kettle of fish: the method recently recommened for ftp proxies with dselect doesn't work, because my lovely isp requires you to login to the proxy using your username and password, and to get to the site by issuing a ftp user [EMAIL PROTECTED] dselect doesn't seem to be designed with this in mind. Any suggestions? I've just used Craig's auto-upgrade script and I'm just hoping everything works when I turn my computer on in the morning (:-S Andrew Tarr Would an Orange by any other name be the same colour? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Memory problems web page?
Can someone point me to the webpage that gives a list of things to check when you get sporadic segfaults from kernel compiles and the like? I think I might have a defective RAM chip (ECC RAM at that) and wanted to check out the possibilities. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Memory problems web page?
On Tue, Jan 20, 1998 at 08:32:30AM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote: Can someone point me to the webpage that gives a list of things to check when you get sporadic segfaults from kernel compiles and the like? I think I might have a defective RAM chip (ECC RAM at that) and wanted to check out the possibilities. Do you mean http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ ? Ray -- Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ftpproxy with dselect
On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Andrew wrote: Here's a pretty kettle of fish: the method recently recommened for ftp proxies with dselect doesn't work, because my lovely isp requires you to login to the proxy using your username and password, and to get to the site by issuing a ftp user [EMAIL PROTECTED] dselect doesn't seem to be designed with this in mind. Any suggestions? If you're up to it, you could write a little something in perl that on one end listens to a port on your box and on the other end talks to your isp's ftp-proxy. When a ftp client connects to it, let it connect to the isp's proxy and that in turn to a debian ftp site. Next, just let all the traffic pass through transparently. If you had this, dselect wouldn't need to have to deal with proxies. If you are up to it and you can get it to work, please contribute it to dselect. If not, don't ask me :-) Cheers, Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xanim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: // [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally tried 'xanim' and that's one slick package. While the command line interface is fairly easy to work with, has anyone designed a menu interface so that like 'mc' (midnight commander), one can use the arrow keys and such to select a movie for display? You could edit .mc.ext to start xanim on *.avi or *.mov files. Or install the multimedia package. It has a nice little app, xgetfile, that does exactly what you might want. From the man page: XGetfile is a versatile file requester. It pops up a win dow and lets the user chose a file with the mouse or the keyboard. When the user selects a file, several actions are possible. As a versatile frontend to an audio file player with the assumed command name play : xgetfile -title Please select a file to play -exec play %s -queue -- Yours a href=http://www.koeln-online.de/einblick/; Frank Barknecht Das Koelner Stadt- und Unimagazin - /a -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Memory problems web page?
On Tue, Jan 20, 1998 at 08:32:30AM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote: Can someone point me to the webpage that gives a list of things to check when you get sporadic segfaults from kernel compiles and the like? I think I might have a defective RAM chip (ECC RAM at that) and wanted to check out the possibilities. Do you mean http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ ? Yes. Thanks for the URL. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [FAQ] mysql
Michael Sicher hat gesagt: // Michael Sicher wrote: i need to install mysql but the package needs libc6. are there any problems when removing libc5 to install libc6? (i think there is a faq available somewhere.) or is it better to compile the mysql source instead of upgrading to libc6? I would recommend doing the upgrade. If you strictly follow the HOWTO in http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html there should be no grave problems. There even exists an automatic upgrade script that was discussed on this list some days ago. I think I could mail it to you if I look for it in my mail folders. Or maybe someone else here knows the URL ... -- Yours a href=http://www.koeln-online.de/einblick/; Frank Barknecht Das Koelner Stadt- und Unimagazin - /a -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems with 80386 and 4 MB of RAM
Hello again, everything works! Now my Linux-computer starts from HD and can communicate (by using its ethernet-card). Thanx to everyone who helped me (especially: Stephen Gregory, Sten Anderson, Craig Sanders, Laurent Picouleau. I hope I didn't forget anyone...). My last problem I had (the one I just solved...): I used the MINIX-partition and told fstab to mount it as /boot, started lilo (with the 'linear' option integrated in lilo.conf) and everything went fine. THANK YOU 5. I'm happy because everything works (now without start-disk) Soon, that will be the case. NOW this IS the case :-)) -- Von: Laurent PICOULEAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: 'Fabian Knittel' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: Problems with 80386 and 4 MB of RAM Datum: Samstag, 17. Januar 1998 23:33 From : Fabian Knittel[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello 2°) I don't think that your BIOS support lba. I don't either... :-) If I'm right you'll have to declare your disk as having 16 heads, 63 sectors, 3308 cylinders because lilo relies on the BIOS to access the kernel and your BIOS don't know how to handle more than 16 heads. okay... First, try what Craig Sanders suggested : add linear in your lilo.conf. I've never used it but according to lilo's doc it should work and it's the simplest solution. What I said is useful for an installation or a complete reinstallation. The only annoyance will be to ensure that the kernel resides in the 1024 firs cylinders : just create a (small) partition there and mount it as /boot or a slightly larger one and mount it as / . But all of my HD-space is already in use! From where should I get the 'small' partition, that also has to reside in the first 1024 cylinders? Oh! Why not use the Linux/MINIX partition (dev/hda2) ? It doesn't have to be at the very beginning of the disk, just somewhere in the first 1024 cylinders... I didn't realize how big 1024 cylinders actually are. I thought this would only be a small amount of space (smaller than the space my swap takes away). I've got an idea, what if I just kill this unused Linux/MINIX-partition and the swap-partition and 'switch them round' (so that there is a small space of 1024 cylinders infront of swap left). It would (probably) look something like this: Device Boot BeginStart End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 *113 8064 83 Linux native -- will be mounted as /boot, should I mark it with 'bootable' ? No need to mark it bootable. Where lilo resides is to be bootable. So, if you put it in the MBR, no partition need to be bootable but all of them can be so without problem regarding lilo linux or the BIOS. /dev/hda244 2950368+ 82 Linux swap -- now my swap is here [...] I'll have to tell Linux to look at hda2 for a swap partition... probably in fstab, right? But can I just change the partition while the system is running? I couldn't find any notes on this. 1°) create a swap file (/somewhere/whatever) 2°) ativate it (swapon /somewhere/whatever) 3°) deactivate swap partition (swapoff /dev/hda1) 4°) play with fdisk (or cfdisk) 5°) *Initialize the swap partition* 6°) edit fstab, lilo.conf 7°) lilo (after reboot, you can delete the swap file if you want) If you'd have more ram 1°) and 2°) wouldn't be necessary Is the following procedure possible: 1. I change the partition tabel as shown above, using the cfdisk-utility 2. I edit fstab and correct the data in there Not useful if you take /dev/hda2 as /boot 3. I rerun lilo Don't forget to move te content of /boot to /dev/hda2 and then to mount it on /boot before (you should add it to fstab BTW) 4. I change HD-info (16 heads, 63 sectors, 3308 cylinders) in BIOS FIRST try linear option. If that doesn't work and you don't want to reinstall, some clever solution will have to be found ;-) I'm glad it worked with the normal method... :-) 5. I'm happy because everything works (now without start-disk) Soon, that will be the case. -- Laurent PICOULEAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Fabian Knittel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [FAQ] mysql
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Frank Barknecht wrote:
I would recommend doing the upgrade. If you strictly follow the HOWTO
in http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html there
should be no grave problems. There even exists an automatic upgrade
script that was discussed on this list some days ago. I think I could
mail it to you if I look for it in my mail folders. Or maybe someone
else here knows the URL ...
{http|ftp}://stormcrow.ml.org/pub/debian/autoup/
Take your pick. There's also a tarball of all the debs you need. Thanks
to Scott, Craig, and all the other developers who helped with this.
Enjoy,
Brandon
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XSuSE NVidia X server and Debian
Greetings Debian Users, I am in the middle of installing Debian 1.3.1 from a cd I made from the image files. Unfortunately, my graphics card is a Diamond Viper V330, which has the NVidia Riva 128 chipset. The XF86 FAQ pointed me to the SuSE web site, where they are developing a driver. The install is basically untaring the server and xf86config binaries from /. My question is how will this interact with Debian's idea of who/what/where my x-server is? Has anyone used this (or other) server from SuSE? What problems did you have? Thanks! Dale -- Dale P. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cleveland Linux Users Group: http://cleveland.lug.net/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Is there a debian.cf file for X11R6.3?
I am trying to install X windows X11R6.3 on a PC running debian 1.3. Could you tell me the correct configuration for installing it. Each operating system has its own configuration file, but the Linux one is based on Slackware? Steve Beer -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XSuSE NVidia X server and Debian
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Dale Smith wrote: The install is basically untaring the server and xf86config binaries from /. This is a perfect job for alien, it should make a deb for you. Note, I have no first hand experience. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [FAQ] mysql
At 15:06 Uhr +0100 20.01.1998, Frank Barknecht wrote: Michael Sicher hat gesagt: // Michael Sicher wrote: i need to install mysql but the package needs libc6. are there any problems when removing libc5 to install libc6? (i think there is a faq available somewhere.) Hold it! As of today, a libc5 version of mysql (mysql_3.21.17a.beta-0bo2.deb) is in the bo-unstable directory. So you don't need to upgrade to libc6., unless you want to. Scott Johmsweg 9, D-21266 Jesteburg, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is there a debian.cf file for X11R6.3?
I am trying to install X windows X11R6.3 on a PC running debian 1.3. Could you tell me the correct configuration for installing it. Each operating system has its own configuration file, but the Linux one is based on Slackware? The easiest way is to also install the vga16 package, and run XF86Setup. The other way is to run xf86Setup, which is text based. rick -- These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XSuSE NVidia X server and Debian
I untarred to /tmp, them copied over the files. Be CAREFUL -- otherwise you will overwrite /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Cards and /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config -- both of which yu need to configure XFree86. I made a Cards.deb and Cards.suse and symlinked the one I wanted to Cards. I switch back and forth between servers. I made the xf86config xf86config.suse. Otherwise it puts everything in debian dirs. XF86Config is stored in /etc -- no way around that. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian learning curve
1) Recently someone said regarding all the setup differences: after all,
linux is linux. I disagree, the networking files, setup files, PPP files,
etc... are all notably different; similar but different.
This is like the differences between ATT/UCB unix. Yes, they are/were
both Unix, but... I wonder why it is necessary/useful to have so many
differences in the linux variations. Some are natural evolution/selection,
others seem gratitutious. Just as in the traditional Unix world, someday
there may come a time when convergence of the threads will be useful.
2) It was also noted that:
Newbies also tend to install too much in the initial dselect menu
causing a lot of time in conflict resolution.
One good solution to this is used in most Windows packages; a set of
standard {minimal, nominal, everything} installation configurations, and a
custom option. I am not a dpkg expert, but would guess that this would not
be too hard.
Best.
Dr. Gregory Guthrie
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Computer Science Department
College of Science and Technology
Maharishi University of Management
(Maharishi International University 1971-1995)
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Re: debian learning curve
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:58:21 -0600, you wrote: 1) Recently someone said regarding all the setup differences: after all, linux is linux. I disagree, the networking files, setup files, PPP files, etc... are all notably different; similar but different. This is like the differences between ATT/UCB unix. Yes, they are/were both Unix, but... I wonder why it is necessary/useful to have so many differences in the linux variations. Every distribution wants to do it the Right Way, so of course they are all different. :) Dale -- Dale P. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cleveland Linux Users Group: http://cleveland.lug.net/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: can't install buzz!
I don't remember the original question, but . . . [for that matter, I don't remember which one was buzz. That was 1.1, wasn't it?] Anyway, with the paticular hardware we were using, the default kernel for 1.1 would hang on alternate boots. The solution was to hit reset (not power) after the hang, at whcih point it would boot fine. THen compile your own kernel. rick -- These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: *-* auto-upgrade from rex to hamm
Addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert D. Hilliard) debian-user@lists.debian.org ** Reply to note from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert D. Hilliard) Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:03:55 -0500 (EST) I believe it is desirable for debian to provide a painless upgrade route from rex to hamm, without first upgrading to bo. Howdy Robert..:-) Fairly newcomer to Linux here, so hope you (or anyone else) wouldn't mind answering a couple of basic questions for me: does rex = rexx (script language found in OS/2 amongst others) What are hamm and bo? Thanks.:-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian learning curve
2) It was also noted that: Newbies also tend to install too much in the initial dselect menu causing a lot of time in conflict resolution. The first time I installed debian I installed way to much. I am hardly a Linux newbie. I found that it was a problem with the individual packages. There are a bunch of packages (in 1.2) that were listed as required but weren't really. There are also some dependecies that bug me. Some of the mime stuff complains if you don't install a newsserver and newsreader. I don't want news on my local machine right now, but I do want mime for email. Now I have not done a clean install of Debian so I don't know if this is still the case. But before Debian 2.0 is released I hope that some of the developers go through a complete install once or twice to insure that the default install is a fairly minimal install. I think it would be far easier for a newbie to run dselect several times to install all the packages they need. Then to run dselect several times to remove all the packages they don't need. For some of us HD space is a premium. -- Stephen Gregory -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
X11R6 and Xterm problem
I am running Debian Bo, kernel 2.0.30. I recently recompiled my kernel, making some changes related to my sound card. I used the kernel-package, and all went smoothly. I have noticed a minor glitch, however, and I need some help. My XWindows system seems to be working well, except for Xterm. Anything I type from the Xterm command line is unreadable (gibberish). Much of what is displayed in the window in response to a command such as 'ls' is unreadable. Some filenames are fine, others are distorted and unreadable. Applications such as xemacs, netscape, mosaic, etc don't display this problem with typed commands, only Xterm. Can anyone offer suggestions as to what may be wrong, and what I can do to correct it. What do I need to check? I'm using a DFI WG-1010P PCI Accelerator Board with 1 MB of ram, and my screen depth is 16 bpp. It doesn't matter what screen resolution I use with ctl-alt +, scrolling through the defined screens. The problem is the same. Any help/suggestions greatly appreciated. Russ Russell Cook, Engineering Branch WSR-88D Operational Support Facility (405)366-6520 x4237 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: *-* auto-upgrade from rex to hamm
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert D. Hilliard) debian-user@lists.debian.org ** Reply to note from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert D. Hilliard) Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:03:55 -0500 (EST) I believe it is desirable for debian to provide a painless upgrade route from rex to hamm, without first upgrading to bo. Howdy Robert..:-) Fairly newcomer to Linux here, so hope you (or anyone else) wouldn't mind answering a couple of basic questions for me: does rex = rexx (script language found in OS/2 amongst others) Nope, rex = Debian 1.2 What are hamm and bo? bo = Debian 1.3.x hamm = What will eventually be Debian 2.0 The names are references to characters from Pixar's movie Toy Story. The president of SPI and former Debian project leader is employed at Pixar -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: *-* auto-upgrade from rex to hamm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairly newcomer to Linux here, so hope you (or anyone else) wouldn't mind answering a couple of basic questions for me: Nothing to be ashamed! I'm a newcomer, too. does rex = rexx (script language found in OS/2 amongst others) What are hamm and bo? The name rex does not mean Rexx. Rexx is in fact a script language, which is found in nearly every IBM operating system from OS/2 over OS/400 to VM/MVS. The name rex is the code name for the Debian GNU/Linux Version 1.2.x. While bo is Version 1.3.x, and hamm is 2.?? (2.0.x or 2.1.x - I don't know how they will name it). The code name are easier to remember and to pronouce than the version numbers. I think this was all about it. Bye Daniel - - - - Daniel Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Ingolstadt, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - If Win95 is the answer, it must have been a real foolish question ! - - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQEVAwUBNMTijAnLrgqPNGtBAQHAPAgAjMi2hM854kZHA2YZAA7G9Dpb06rjxD+9 lo9P4v/+n4K1g7pMp10GTbyDCCMLERh+5J7+MPyO0TvU1iKS68v5Arunx92YWJGG KRcRuAjxUNbv9Y1pAHqRWZHoXA9owszKSppucz71m0msF/yBZYart/S+BDYq+FvX TbSJxybc/AUyuWvsJoH0QMul2HlKrDdfYAMlIZldxGr4ZCvhAufvIGbwopDf8Onp VRyG1ANYkmMYNYzaIlCvHmvJFF3lkJu6Q9V9yQoIhkHsTtrcitejpUBAPpbxrkwY Sh4NZd6dNHF8KXmslSJDR73uPAboWY7mOpul5CY9Ti1TbwcS7rT5vg== =4HWw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
EhterLink XL PCI TPO 3C900-TPO Ethernet Card
Hi All, I'm new to this, just installed debian Linux from the CD for the first time yesterday. During the installation, it prompted me for my Ethernet Card type. Unfortunately, I have the type of card listed in the subject line, and this card was not in the list of available options. Does anyone have any information regarding this card? If there's a FAQ out there that answers this and other stupid questions I'm most likely going to ask, please feel free to direct me to it. Thanks in advance for your help, Rob -- Save the Whales -- Collect the whole set [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: EhterLink XL PCI TPO 3C900-TPO Ethernet Card
You can use the 3c59x driver for this card. Rob wrote: Hi All, I'm new to this, just installed debian Linux from the CD for the first time yesterday. During the installation, it prompted me for my Ethernet Card type. Unfortunately, I have the type of card listed in the subject line, and this card was not in the list of available options. Does anyone have any information regarding this card? If there's a FAQ out there that answers this and other stupid questions I'm most likely going to ask, please feel free to direct me to it. Thanks in advance for your help, Rob -- Save the Whales -- Collect the whole set [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[hamm] dpkg-ftp problems from behind the firewall
Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my hamm installation through dselect's FTP method of retrieving packages. Here are some comments. * Why does dpkg-ftp insist on downloading all of the packages that are selected? In other words, why doesn't it download only those packages (among the ones selected for installation) that are not already installed? * I am able to successfully upgrade the list of available packages by choosing pasv FTP transfer. But when I try to install the packages, dselect/dpkg says that it is trying to download each of the packages. The download fails with a 'No such file or directory' for each of the packages. What is the path I should be giving dpkg-ftp? I tried /debian/unstable, /debian/hamm and a few others. Is there are problem with symbolic links? S. -- Singing is the lowest form of communication. -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n (650) 937-2354 (O) International Websites Engineer (650) 940-1896 (H) http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian learning curve
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Stephen Gregory wrote: packages. There are a bunch of packages (in 1.2) that were listed as required but weren't really. There are also some dependecies that bug me. Some of the mime stuff complains if you don't install a I've been installing and reinstalling debian over the past few days. One reason I've had to reinstall it is that I've been very confused about, e.g., whether a package that claims to require tcl-7.4 really needs that version, and is incompatible with tcl-7.6. (I think expect caused me trouble in this regard.) The info messages in many cases could be improved by being, well, more informative. Jon Bernard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [hamm] dpkg-ftp problems from behind the firewall
Sudhakar Chandrasekharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SC * Why does dpkg-ftp insist on downloading all of the packages that SC are selected? In other words, why doesn't it download only SC those packages (among the ones selected for installation) that SC are not already installed? In my experience, dpkg-ftp has done The Right Thing (TM). SC * I am able to successfully upgrade the list of available packages by SC choosing pasv FTP transfer. But when I try to install the packages, SC dselect/dpkg says that it is trying to download each of the packages. SC The download fails with a 'No such file or directory' for each of the SC packages. What is the path I should be giving dpkg-ftp? I tried SC /debian/unstable, /debian/hamm and a few others. Is there are problem SC with symbolic links? Set the Debian distribution directory to /debian, and get the dists/unstable/main, dists/unstable/non-free, and dists/unstable/contrib directories. -- _ / \ The cat's been in the box for over | David Maze | 20 years. Nobody's feeding it. The | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |cat is dead. | http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/ | -- Grant, on Schroedinger's Cat \_/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ip-up script called multiple times
Hello all, I have a Debian 1.3.1 box running kernel 2.0.33 up and running. Not too long ago I added Diald so that I would not have to stay connected 24-7 to the internet. I am also using IPMasq All seems to work fine. Diald starts the connection when it is needed, but there are a few problem with it that I cannot figure out why they are doing what they are doing. My most puzzling problem is the ip-up script. I have my time synced and the IP address ftped to my .plan file of my Linux server at work in ip-up. Recently I thought it would be nice to add a little script that sends an epage to my pager informing me that the home system has connected and is online (and give the IP address). What I have noticed is for each connection ip-up is run several times for one connection. The day I set this up it sent out 4 pages back to back telling me about the same IP address. For the same connection. That was the worst case. Sometimes it is only 2 or 3 times a connection. It holds true for the ftping of the IP address to my work server. Once I looked in the xferlog at work I found a similar thing. Here is the latest entry: ---SNIP--- Tue Jan 20 13:05:29 1998 1 ppp0151.remote.louisville.edu 15 /home/jybarb01/.plan b _ i r jybarb01 ftp 1 root Tue Jan 20 13:07:01 1998 1 ppp0151.remote.louisville.edu 15 /home/jybarb01/.plan b _ i r jybarb01 ftp 1 root Tue Jan 20 13:08:39 1998 1 ppp0151.remote.louisville.edu 15 /home/jybarb01/.plan b _ i r jybarb01 ftp 1 root ---SNAP--- As you can see, this transfer is only a couple of minutes apart from the same IP address. I have pppd setup to idle disconnect after 2 mins. Does anyone know why this is working like it is? Does anyone have a recommendation to how to fix it? Thanks, --Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Total Cost of Ownership
Does anyone know of a `Total Cost of Ownership' study (for government or industry use) listing Linux? -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice-Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada 418-775-0852 - FAX 418-775-0546 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ip-up script called multiple times
This is actually a problem with your ISP's equipment. Well, you may not even be able to call it a problem, just a quirk of the protocol. Nothing about ppp says that IP will only come up once per session. In most configurations the LCP only comes up once per session but that's the only guarantee you have. What's happening is that the IP layer is being brought up and down multiple times when you connect. The only thing you could do would be to code around it somehow, like by writing and checking a /var/run/XXX.pid to see if a message has already been sent for that particular instantiation of pppd. If you're curious, turn on debugging in pppd and look in the log files. Here's a sample IP-UP fragment. if [ -e /var/run/ip-up-ppp.pid ] then lastpid=`cat /var/run/ip-up-ppp.pid` newpid=`cat /var/run/ppp0.pid` if [ $lastpid = $newpid ] then exit 0 fi fi cp /var/run/ppp0.pid /var/run/ip-up-ppp.pid # and so on Jay Barbee wrote: Hello all, I have a Debian 1.3.1 box running kernel 2.0.33 up and running. Not too long ago I added Diald so that I would not have to stay connected 24-7 to the internet. I am also using IPMasq All seems to work fine. Diald starts the connection when it is needed, but there are a few problem with it that I cannot figure out why they are doing what they are doing. My most puzzling problem is the ip-up script. I have my time synced and the IP address ftped to my .plan file of my Linux server at work in ip-up. Recently I thought it would be nice to add a little script that sends an epage to my pager informing me that the home system has connected and is online (and give the IP address). What I have noticed is for each connection ip-up is run several times for one connection. The day I set this up it sent out 4 pages back to back telling me about the same IP address. For the same connection. That was the worst case. Sometimes it is only 2 or 3 times a connection. It holds true for the ftping of the IP address to my work server. Once I looked in the xferlog at work I found a similar thing. Here is the latest entry: ---SNIP--- Tue Jan 20 13:05:29 1998 1 ppp0151.remote.louisville.edu 15 /home/jybarb01/.plan b _ i r jybarb01 ftp 1 root Tue Jan 20 13:07:01 1998 1 ppp0151.remote.louisville.edu 15 /home/jybarb01/.plan b _ i r jybarb01 ftp 1 root Tue Jan 20 13:08:39 1998 1 ppp0151.remote.louisville.edu 15 /home/jybarb01/.plan b _ i r jybarb01 ftp 1 root ---SNAP--- As you can see, this transfer is only a couple of minutes apart from the same IP address. I have pppd setup to idle disconnect after 2 mins. Does anyone know why this is working like it is? Does anyone have a recommendation to how to fix it? -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[Q] 56K US Robotics?
Hello, Would anyone know how to verify that I am connecting to Internet at 56K. I run Debian hamm + 2.1.78 kernel. I use X-ISP package to connect (it displays 31.200 connected speed). I know that when I use the same modem connecting to the same ISP only running WinNT -- it connects at 56K. I made sure that setserial is used with speed_vhi options when setting up my serial ports. My pppd is 2.3 patch level two. What else do I need to do to get it going at 56K. And may be I am connecting at 56K -- but how do I verify it for sure (my modem is US Robatics external). Thanks in advance, Vladislav -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
why do I get bounced mails from this list???
I receive bounces from e-mail this list is trying to deliver. When I send mail to this list and somewhere it can not be delivered -- I get the bounce. Why is this?? Why does the listserv not get the bounces. BTW usually qmail is the other ends mail program. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SEUL: Re: SEUL distribution?
It's not clear that SEUL will be based on Red Hat or RPM yet. The decision got un-made. Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XSuSE NVidia X server and Debian
My question is how will this interact with Debian's idea of = who/what/where my x-server is? Has anyone used this (or other) server from SuSE? What = problems did you have? I'm using the XSuSE Matrox Millenium II server. Basically no problems. However I did have to make a link for XKB because otherwise the keyboard was screwed up. I don't remember what the link was exactly or I'd tell you. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: why do I get bounced mails from this list???
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Shaleh wrote: I receive bounces from e-mail this list is trying to deliver. When I send mail to this list and somewhere it can not be delivered -- I get the bounce. Why is this?? Why does the listserv not get the bounces. BTW usually qmail is the other ends mail program. For the most part the listserv gets and handles bounces. However, some broken mail agents don't send bounces to the correct location, and you may see those. If you see a bounce from a message you send to the list, you may wish to mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a copy of the bounce (full headers) so the problem can be traced. I'd recomend waiting for a few bounces though, since the listmasters may already be aware of the problem. -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SEUL: Re: SEUL distribution?
Last I heard, SEUL _will_ base on Debian. E-Linux was having a vote on which distribution to use, and I asked them to remove Debian from consideration because we can't offer a project with non-free core components the same sort of cooperation we are giving to SEUL. They can still derive from Debian if they wish, within the terms of our license, just no special service. Frankly, we have yet to see if any of these groups can make the system any easier than we can on our own. So, we chose the one with the best policies to work with. Thanks Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
STuck - FTP through Firewall
What is dselect passing to my ftp proxy??? I can go through the firewall manually but I need to figure out exactly what commands dselect is generating. Can I monitor this somehow I do not have man pages or anything to help me because I can not run dselect from ftp and I do not have the CD. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [hamm] dpkg-ftp problems from behind the firewall
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: * Why does dpkg-ftp insist on downloading all of the packages that are selected? In other words, why doesn't it download only those packages (among the ones selected for installation) that are not already installed? I've never had a problem with dselect-ftp doing this to me. Are you sure all the packages haven't been upgraded (actually, they have). * I am able to successfully upgrade the list of available packages by choosing pasv FTP transfer. But when I try to install the packages, dselect/dpkg says that it is trying to download each of the packages. The download fails with a 'No such file or directory' for each of the packages. What is the path I should be giving dpkg-ftp? I tried /debian/unstable, /debian/hamm and a few others. Is there are problem with symbolic links? Please read the howto before destroying your machine (this is a promise, not a warning). http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html http://stormcrow.ml.org/pub/debian/autoup/ Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XSuSE NVidia X server and Debian
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:57:45 -0500, you wrote: I untarred to /tmp, them copied over the files. Be CAREFUL -- otherwise you will overwrite /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Cards and /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config -- both of which yu need to configure XFree86. I made a Cards.deb and Cards.suse and symlinked the one I wanted to Cards. I switch back and forth between servers. I made the xf86config xf86config.suse. Otherwise it puts everything in debian dirs. XF86Config is stored in /etc -- no way around that. Encouraged by the responses in this group, (and carefully looking at the .tgz files) I went ahead and untarred them. I ran the supplied xf86config and guessed at my monitor setting. Then I editied the Xserver file to point the new server. Works great! Now to fine tune for my monitor (after I find out what kind it is). Thanks! Dale -- Dale P. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cleveland Linux Users Group: http://cleveland.lug.net/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Password encryption with md5, ... in libc6
In BO with libc5 I had trouble with a lot of programs that they don't recognize any other password system than no-shadow and shadow. For example, su and xlock didn't worked with md5 activated. Will these problems has been gone with hamm and libc6? I would really prefer a password system with more than 8 significant characters in my passwords. Torsten -- I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. Fortune Cookie PGP Public key available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mt setblk fails
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am trying to read data from a DAT tape written on a foreign machine (probably a Sun). I use dd to read from it, but invariably get 0 blocks. I am able to read a tape written by a SCO machine, but the SCO machine cannot read a tape I write. Following the SCSI HOWTO, I tried changing the hardware block size with `mt setblk 0'. Any use of `mt setblk' always gives an I/O error. Try the mt-dds command from the dds2tar package. Maybe that command will help here. BTW: The 2 in dds2tar means to, not DDS2. Torsten -- I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. Fortune Cookie PGP Public key available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian learning curve
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Gregory Guthrie wrote:
These issues are being addressed. For instance, developers are
considering various , typical installations. The next version of debian
should see improvements in installation.
1) Recently someone said regarding all the setup differences: after all,
linux is linux. I disagree, the networking files, setup files, PPP files,
etc... are all notably different; similar but different.
This is like the differences between ATT/UCB unix. Yes, they are/were
both Unix, but... I wonder why it is necessary/useful to have so many
differences in the linux variations. Some are natural evolution/selection,
others seem gratitutious. Just as in the traditional Unix world, someday
there may come a time when convergence of the threads will be useful.
2) It was also noted that:
Newbies also tend to install too much in the initial dselect menu
causing a lot of time in conflict resolution.
One good solution to this is used in most Windows packages; a set of
standard {minimal, nominal, everything} installation configurations, and a
custom option. I am not a dpkg expert, but would guess that this would not
be too hard.
Best.
Dr. Gregory Guthrie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (515)472-1125Fax: -1103
Computer Science Department
College of Science and Technology
Maharishi University of Management
(Maharishi International University 1971-1995)
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Re: Newbie --Adding Programs To My Debian Base
I've been using debian for about 5 weeks. I'm just starting to think about adding some programs, not in the packages, to my system. One such program came in the form of program.bin.gz. I figure I can use my debian gunzip to get the first part of it unzipped. I have no idea what to do with the program.bin. Any help is sorely appreciated. ibm -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian-user FAQ: your help is needed!
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Re: Password encryption with md5, ... in libc6
On 20 Jan 1998, Torsten Hilbrich wrote: Will these problems has been gone with hamm and libc6? I would really prefer a password system with more than 8 significant characters in my passwords. libc6 supports MD5 passwords (almost) transparently. There may be some stupid programs that do things to make this transparency not full, but all I found so far worked with MD5. Btw, libc 5.4.38 also supports md5 passwords. Greg -- Madarasz Gergely [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://www.cab.u-szeged.hu/local/linux/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Newbie --Adding Programs To My Debian Base
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, IBMackey wrote: I've been using debian for about 5 weeks. I'm just starting to think about adding some programs, not in the packages, to my system. One such program came in the form of program.bin.gz. I figure I can use my debian gunzip to get the first part of it unzipped. I have no idea what to do with the program.bin. Any help is sorely appreciated. Unzip it and put program.bin in /usr/local/bin/ Then make sure /usr/local/bin is in your path, and run the program from the command line with program.bin Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | -- | So don't beg, and don't plead. | | You can't have the heart you make bleed. | |-- The Beautiful South, Love is... | -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Password encryption with md5, ... in libc6
On 20 Jan 1998, Torsten Hilbrich wrote: In BO with libc5 I had trouble with a lot of programs that they don't recognize any other password system than no-shadow and shadow. For example, su and xlock didn't worked with md5 activated. Will these problems has been gone with hamm and libc6? I would really prefer a password system with more than 8 significant characters in my passwords. For the most part, shadow aware libc6 programs should recognise md5 passwords, since libc6 includes a transparent crypt function that recognises a md5 salt and does the crypt accordingly. Programs that don't function should have bugs files against them. The way to make a program md5crypt aware is to pass the entire encrypted password as the salt to crypt() instead of just the first two characters. -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Can I install debian packages on RH 5.0?
Looking at debian-faq, I see that it seems to be possible to set aside a section of disk under /usr/local for unpacking deb packages. Is this feasible? I have RH 5.0 working well and don't want to ditch it, but I should like to experiment with debian as well. What I am really asking is, whether a hybrid system is either possible or desirable. Has anyone set up such a system and does it work well? Anthony -- Anthony CampbellUsing Linux - Windows-free zone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.achc.demon.co.uk -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Can I install debian packages on RH 5.0?
Looking at debian-faq, I see that it seems to be possible to set aside a section of disk under /usr/local for unpacking deb packages. Is this feasible? I have RH 5.0 working well and don't want to ditch it, but I should like to experiment with debian as well. You might want to look into the `alien' program, which allows RedHat .rpm's to be converted into Debian .deb's, and vice versa. I think this will help you. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Local printing on server
Hello ! I'm trying to use local printer on my server. Every time I want to print using lpr -Pascii name_of_file or lp -dascii name_of_file I get following message: Connection refused job 'cfA206debian' trasfer to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed after 1 attempts I already checked hosts.lpd (ALL and localhost), hosts.allow (ALL, debian and localhost) and hosts (localhost, debian). Does anybody know what is the problem ? Thanks in advance, Bostjan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian-user FAQ: your help is needed!
Hi, I took a look at the FAQ. I think you should change the way the menu is sorted, e.g. About the FAQ in the middle of the list isn't very useful. Also newbie question are asked before questions concerning the installation, etc. -- Jens D. Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available. Mollstrasse 32, 68165 Mannheim, Germany Homer Simpson sez: Can't get enough of that wonderful Duff! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] 56K US Robotics?
The answer to this is not as simple as it seems. First of all, I have observed that in both Win95 and NT, the connect speed reported can be, interchangeably, the DTE speed and the V.34 speed. What's the max DTE speed you've got your modem set for? I bet it's 56K, right? Now, since with wonderful M$ software there's no way to know where it's getting that data from unless you pay up $$$ for contract support, we can only conjecture at how it arrives at connect speed. As far as xisp goes, I don't use it and haven't looked at the source but since you say it's reported 31.2 and 31.2 is an actual V.34 speed (V.34 adjusts speed for line quality, but over a fixed set of speeds, not continuously) I'm guessing that it's getting it from the CONNECT message which the modem issues when it establishes a connection to the peer. The thing is, you can modify what will be reported upon connect by configuring the modem with AT commands. Who knows what Win95/NT gives to the modem to configure it. Based upon the above observations though, I would tend to believe that you are in fact connecting at 31.2. Disappointed? You're not alone. Did you read all those articles about this technology? Check out http://x2.usr.com/technology/overview.html and your ISP for more details. Vladislav Papayan x285 wrote: Hello, Would anyone know how to verify that I am connecting to Internet at 56K. I run Debian hamm + 2.1.78 kernel. I use X-ISP package to connect (it displays 31.200 connected speed). I know that when I use the same modem connecting to the same ISP only running WinNT -- it connects at 56K. I made sure that setserial is used with speed_vhi options when setting up my serial ports. My pppd is 2.3 patch level two. What else do I need to do to get it going at 56K. And may be I am connecting at 56K -- but how do I verify it for sure (my modem is US Robatics external). -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian-user FAQ: your help is needed!
The ppp setup for PAP neglects the need for user username in the ppp_options file (or where ever /dev/modem and what not is). And watch out -- hamm's ppp is rather different. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Newbie --Adding Programs To My Debian Base
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, IBMackey wrote: I've been using debian for about 5 weeks. I'm just starting to think about adding some programs, not in the packages, to my system. One such program came in the form of program.bin.gz. I figure I can use my debian gunzip to get the first part of it unzipped. I have no idea what to do with the program.bin. Any help is sorely appreciated. first, check to see that the program you want isn't already packaged for debian. chances are that it is. a debian package will always be better than a .tar.gz binary. if it isn't already packaged, enquire on debian-user or debian-devel to see if someone is working on it. if so, wait until they've released it. offer to help if you can. finally, if all else fails, look at the alien package. it can (sometimes) convert a .tar.gz or redhat .rpm to a .deb. Read the alien documentation thoroughly before trying this because alien isn't perfect and (because of basic differences between the various distributions) never will be perfect. alternatively, if you are reasonably comfortable using a compiler and editing Makefiles etc, download the sources and make your own package. check the debian docs (/usr/doc/debian and /usr/doc/debian-policy in particular) for info on developer packaging standards. Look at the sources for other debian packages for examples of how to do it. The hello package's sole purpose is to be an example for package developers. craig -- craig sanders -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian-user FAQ: your help is needed!
Hi, I took a look at the FAQ. I think you should change the way the menu is sorted, e.g. About the FAQ in the middle of the list isn't very useful. Also newbie question are asked before questions concerning the installation, etc. Yea, I know, I've created categories as I thought of them, not in any particular order. I've been thinking of reordering them, and I guess now is as good time as any to rearrange it :). -- Proudly running Debian Linux! Linux vs. Windows is a no-Win situation Igor Grobman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Password encryption with md5, ... in libc6
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Scott Ellis wrote: On 20 Jan 1998, Torsten Hilbrich wrote: For the most part, shadow aware libc6 programs should recognise md5 passwords, since libc6 includes a transparent crypt function that recognises a md5 salt and does the crypt accordingly. Programs that don't function should have bugs files against them. The way to make a program md5crypt aware is to pass the entire encrypted password as the salt to crypt() instead of just the first two characters. how do you convert a passwd/shadow file to md5 passwords? say i've got a shadow file full of old-style crypted passwords, how do i convert them all to md5crypt (without having to know what the plaintext password is)? craig -- craig sanders -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] 56K US Robotics?
Vladislav Papayan x285 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would anyone know how to verify that I am connecting to Internet at 56K. I run Debian hamm + 2.1.78 kernel. What else do I need to do to get it going at 56K. And may be I am connecting at 56K -- but how do I verify it for sure (my modem is US Robatics external). Quick solution: use ncftp to download a binary file from your ISP's ftp server. It will tell you the transfer rate after finishing the download. Some thoughts about connectspeed: You can't relay on the speed negotiated during connect. Here in germany, a stable connect is at most 46.000 Bytes/s. And some tests (www.cnet.com) say the same for the US. Most modems have some AT commands which tell them how risky(=fast) they should connect. If the modem chooses a too high connectspeed, errors will occur during transfer. This is no problem. The modem will decrease its speed. But you won't notice this as you can't ask a modem about it's current speed. The opposite case is possible as well. The modem will increase its speed on good connects. My guess about why you get 56k on WinNT: You use a USR modemdriver for NT. This driver sets the above mentioned risksetting very high. So you get a 56k connect. But the modem will decrease its speed very soon as errors during transfer will occur often. On Linux you use ATF to initialise your Modem. The F settings have a rather conservativ risksetting and you get a minor connectspeed. You could do a test: Download a somewhat big file form your ISP's FTP Server, one time using NT and one time using Linux. Then you can see if I am right. Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Local printing on server
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Bostjan Jerko wrote: Connection refused job 'cfA206debian' trasfer to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed after 1 attempts I already checked hosts.lpd (ALL and localhost), hosts.allow (ALL, debian and localhost) and hosts (localhost, debian). /etc/printcap Probably worth your time to install magicfilter or apsfilter (but the latter doesn't have a maintainer anymore). Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Password encryption with md5, ... in libc6
On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Craig Sanders wrote: how do you convert a passwd/shadow file to md5 passwords? say i've got a shadow file full of old-style crypted passwords, how do i convert them all to md5crypt (without having to know what the plaintext password is)? I dont think that is possible. The best way would be to set MD5_CRYPT_ENAB to yes and force everyone to change their passwords by setting the expiry date... ;) Greg -- Madarasz Gergely [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://www.cab.u-szeged.hu/local/linux/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
wu-ftp, chroot doesn't work anymore
Is chroot broken or something? ... I just noticed that all my users can access the whole file system over ftp. I had it setup before so that anyone in the 'ftponly' group was considered a guest by wu-ftp and the /./ in the home directory string denoted the root directory. Now it doesn't work! Has something been upgraded which is causing this problem? How can I fix this? I can send my configuration if you need it. --- Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED], finger for public PGP key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: *-* auto-upgrade from rex to hamm
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:49:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: does rex = rexx (script language found in OS/2 amongst others) No. What are hamm and bo? They are code names for versions. Debian normally has two (three for a brief period after the release of a new version) distributions available on the ftp site and mirrors - the most recent stable version, and the unstable version that is in the development process. Code names are assigned to these versions that do not change when the version graduates from unstable to stable. Buzz is the code name for the version that was released as 1.1, rex is the name for version 1.2, bo refers to the current stable version 1.3, and is the code name for the current unstable version that will be released as 2.0 in the near future (hopefully). The advantage of the code names is that the same code name is attached to a version throughout its lifespan. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
buzz upgrade report
Hi Craig, Two problems with autoup to hamm from buzz. Mostly it works well. Firstly, buzz (1.1.11) has dpkg 1.2.14, which doesn't have --get-selections. Short of writing a script to do the same thing in perl, the best solution seems to be to just upgrade dpkg beforehand to 1.4.0.8 from bo, which also requires upgrading to libc5 5.4.33-6 (since dpkg 1.4.0.8 predepends on libc5 = 5.4.0.0, and we can't just install 1.4.0.20 straight because it's libc6). After that everything goes pretty well. Except that perl's postinst tries to clean up the mess in /usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux but fails, so the postinst fails and therefore the configuration of a whole lot of other packages fails too. I will file a bug report. Is there a nice way to handle the dpkg upgrade problem? It seems to be best NOT to leave the old libc5 dpkgs in the current directory though because the script will try to install them again and this causes problems with libc5 at least. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
TurboTax on wine?
Hello, Has anyone had any success running TurboTax on wine? I have wine_0.0.980104-2 installed on my hamm system. I was able to use it to install TurboTax. Installation seemed to go smooth and when I start it up under wine, it almost looks ready to run, but not quite. All the menus look fine, but the button graphics, like the 'next' button, and the 'help' button, are kind of scrambled. Also the link text is the wrong size. I tried converting the TrueType fonts installed by the TurboTax app (*.ttf files) to *.pcf.gz files using the freetype package and putting them in my /usr/lib/X11/fonts directory, but so far that hasn't worked. It sure would be cool to do my taxes this year without having to use windoze. --ken __ Ken Lauffenburger / /__ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / / D e b i a n G N U \ \/ / / / __ __ __ \ / / / / / / _ \ / / / / / \ ...Look out Bill, / /___ / / / / ) // (_/ / / /\ \ here comes... (__)(_/ (_/ (_/ \/ (_/ \_) http://www.debian.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[off topic?] NBSD - Not-So-Bad Distribution
The Not-So-Bad Distribution page is at http://www.bell-labs.com/project/nsbd/ I don't know if this has been discussed before. Are there problems with rolling something like this into dselect? S. -- Singing is the lowest form of communication. -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n (650) 937-2354 (O) International Websites Engineer (650) 940-1896 (H) http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
perl module to read config files?
does anyone know of a perl module to parse config files as used by gated
or the new bind 8.1?
e.g. /etc/named.conf:
options {
directory /var/named;
forward only;
forwarders {
203.16.167.1;
203.16.167.5;
};
};
zone . {
type hint;
file named.root;
};
zone localhost {
type master;
file named.local;
};
zone 127.in-addr.arpa {
type master;
file named.rev-local;
};
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