Re: TCP/IP over Bluetooth

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 April 2016 00:37:42 shawn wilson wrote:

> On Apr 23, 2016 00:09,  wrote:
> > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth ,
> > Bluetooth was "... originally conceived as a wireless alternative
> > to RS-232 data cables."  Therefore TCP/IP inside PPP on a
> > Bluetooth connection is hypthetically possible.
> >
> > Has anyone tried it with a debian system on one end at least?
>
> Google it? It appears to work fine now days - maybe issues with
> NetworkManager though - idk. But no I haven't setup PAN, just 1 minute
> (literally) with Google tells me this.
>
> If you want a link to read, this looks good (though a bit dated):
> http://m.linuxjournal.com/article/10915

Unforch for many, its also a link you have to subscribe to, possibly with 
an accompanying fee to pay to access it. I value what little privacy I 
have left.  I'm also on SS and need to watch my cash flow.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: TCP/IP over Bluetooth

[shawn wilson]

On Apr 23, 2016 00:09,  wrote:
>
> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth ,
> Bluetooth was "... originally conceived as a wireless alternative
> to RS-232 data cables."  Therefore TCP/IP inside PPP on a
> Bluetooth connection is hypthetically possible.
>
> Has anyone tried it with a debian system on one end at least?
>

Google it? It appears to work fine now days - maybe issues with
NetworkManager though - idk. But no I haven't setup PAN, just 1 minute
(literally) with Google tells me this.

If you want a link to read, this looks good (though a bit dated):
http://m.linuxjournal.com/article/10915

TCP/IP over Bluetooth

[peter]

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth ,
Bluetooth was "... originally conceived as a wireless alternative 
to RS-232 data cables."  Therefore TCP/IP inside PPP on a 
Bluetooth connection is hypthetically possible.

Has anyone tried it with a debian system on one end at least?

Thanks,   ... Peter E.

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Re: Posts don't show on list

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 23/04/2016 3:39 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> David writes:
>> I only use my ISP sending from home, and never for receiving mail.
> 
> I pay my ISP to connect me to the Net.  They do a pretty good job of
> that.  I pay Newsguy to handle email for me.  They do an excellent job.
> I pay Gandi to host my Web sites.  They do an excellent job.  Do you see
> a pattern here?
> 
> BTW you don't even need to change ISPs to be forced to change your email
> address if you use your ISP's server.  My ISP change their name  and
> forced all their customers to change their addresses to match.


Well said.  I'll add to that.

I use a mail server to handle mail and a web server to handle web
related services, independently and exclusively of each other -- the two
only link when webmail is involved and only as a webmail interface to
email when that is required (lack of Thunderbird or another suitable MUA
for instance).

The SMTP STS standard needs to die before it see any kind of
implementation, it is a horrid kludge and the last thing we need with
mail is yet another kludge that will never die once in use.

Cheers
AndrewM



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Re: Posts don't show on list

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 22/04/2016 11:02 PM, Mimiko wrote:
> On 22.04.2016 11:59, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> What you Mimiko, should be doing is using your own ISP's mail server,
>> which on this mailing list I am, by setting up your own email agent.
>> There are quite a few available for linux.
> 
> I don't want to use my ISP's mail account. Its limited. It can be
> blocked. I can switch to another ISP.

Nobody should have to suffer ISP mail server limitations and
implications; far too many don't care about using TLS on the servers and
people re-use passwords with passwords being sent in plain text using
plain POP.

Nobody should have to suffer using Google mail servers either.

There are alternatives that work, the best I've found over the years is
to simply run my own mail server where, I believe, on the whole, I can
make it work the way I expect it should work.

> I could setup a mail server, but why should I bother to set it up on my
> linux-like router, or on my windows desktop...

There are other services if you can't manage it yourself for whatever
reasons you see fit.

> This google's "functionality" is a minor problem.

It's Google's main "functionality",, of which it makes it's fortunes
predominantly, that is one of the greatest problems of the Internet
these days; take Yahoo for instance, they are a data company that has
been offered for sale (not sure where that is at yet), the value is all
in the data [user profiling for starters], not in anything else Yahoo is
doing.  Everybody is being scroogled, no matter what major service you
use.  Add to that the malvertising coming through flash advert systems
and you get the idea that too much is broken.

Don't use Google more than you need to, don't use Yahoo more than you
need to.  Don't use Lookout... (Outlook in whatever guise is still
Lookout to me).  I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea.

Reliability was another major reason for me using my own mail server;
the ISPs ones were just far too unreliable.

Oh and the https idea of strict transport security; Google, Micro$oft
and others are trying to bring in a very broken version of that for
SMTP.  Why the hell can't people simply respect SPF at the very least,
and if or when that is finally used to lessen spam from unauthorized
senders, well, then they can look at DNSSEC and other options that don't
destroy SMTP.  [1].  Every domain may or may not require http/https, it
may or may not require MX usage to link the two so strongly in such
a broken way is ludicrous.

And yes, my ISP needs to transport bits, just bits and it should do so
without discrimination of what those bits are; it should also do so
without stealing information from those bits for tracking or other
purposes.  Just transport the bits, nothing more, nothing less.

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-margolis-smtp-sts-00
 -- NB: THIS IS A COMPLETE SCREW UP!

Cheers
AndrewM



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Re: Desabafo

[Henrique Fagundes]

Amigos, boa noite!

Estou passando por aqui para dar uma satisfação para todos que 
colaboraram para aquisição do servidor que possibilitará a continuidade 
do ‪Projeto Aprendendo Linux‬.


Como o Vakinha.com.br além das taxas que cobram, ainda cobram R$ 5,00 
pelo saque da quantia, vou esperar liberar todo o valor. Como a ultima 
doação ocorreu no dia 12/04/2016, então deve ser liberada para saque no 
dia 26/04/2016, ou seja, próxima terça-feira. Depois que eu solicitar o 
saque, segundo o regulamento do site (http://bit.ly/1YM4y9L) ainda tenho 
que esperar 72hs. Então o dinheiro deve entrar em minha conta corrente 
na sexta-feira, dia 29/04/2016.


Aí então eu farei a aquisição do servidor. Lembrando que eu ainda farei 
a aquisição (utilizando recursos próprios, ou seja eu pagarei do meu 
bolso) de mais um pente de memória ECC anunciado aqui:
http://bit.ly/1MOiMq0 e um no-break para proteger o servidor, anunciado 
aqui: http://bit.ly/249vO5v


Ao término do trâmite de aquisições, digitalizarei e postarei as devidas 
notas fiscais das respectivas compras.


Aproveito esse post para comunicar a todos que estavam acompanhando a 
minha saga com a ‪GVT‬ para cadastrar o ‪DNS Reverso‬ em um dos links de 
internet que sustentará o servidor, foi devidamente resolvida. Enfim, 
consegui falar com um analista que operacionaliza com os servidores de 
DNS da GVT e ele fez a atualização no servidor faltante, no caso o 
dns2.gvt.net.br.


Obrigado a todos!

Atenciosamente,

Henrique Fagundes
henri...@linuxadmin.com.br
Skype: magnata-br-rj
Linux User: 475399

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 Mensagem original 
Assunto: Re: [Portal Aprendendo Linux] Desabafo
De: Henrique Fagundes 
Para: Lista do Portal Aprendendo Linux 


Data: 08/04/2016 19:01


Amigos, boa noite! É com muita alegria que comunico que consegui
alcançar o objetivo de arrecadar fundos para adquirir um servidor e dar
continuidade ao Projeto Aprendendo Linux. Muito obrigado a todos vocês!

Obs.: O Vakinha demora 14 dias para liberar o saldo arrecadado. Assim
que isso ocorrer, irei fazer a compra do servidor e repassar a vocês a
cópia da Nota Fiscal.

Amanhã eu gravarei um vídeo falando sobre isso e postarei aqui!

Que DEUS abençoe abundantemente a todos vocês! Vida longa e próspera
para nós e para o nosso Linux!

http://www.aprendendolinux.com/projeto

Atenciosamente,

Henrique Fagundes
henri...@linuxadmin.com.br
Skype: magnata-br-rj
Linux User: 475399

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http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux
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 Mensagem original 
Assunto: Re: Desabafo
De: Henrique Fagundes 
Para: Supervisor CPD Dncn 
Data: 06-04-2016 19:37


Amigos, boa noite!

Peço 1000 desculpa por importuná-los novamente com esse assunto, mas
estou bem perto de conseguir salvar o ‪Projeto Aprendendo Linux‬!

Já posso enxergar a luz no fim do túnel!

Faltam menos do que R$ 400,00 para conseguir atingir o objetivo! Então
galera, vamos ajudar! Qualquer R$50,00, R$30,00, R$20,00 ou até mesmo
R$10,00 vai ajudar muito!

Não vamos deixar o projeto morrer!

Acesse o site, conheça o projeto e faça a sua doação:
http://www.aprendendolinux.com/projeto

SOS Aprendendo Linux‬!
Falta Pouco‬!

Vida longa e próspera para todos nós, para o nosso Linux e para o
Projeto Aprendendo Linux.

Atenciosamente,

Henrique Fagundes
henri...@linuxadmin.com.br
Skype: magnata-br-rj
Linux User: 475399

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http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux
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 Mensagem original 
Assunto: Re: Desabafo
De: Henrique Fagundes 
Para: Lista de discussão da Comunidade Ubuntu Brasil

Data: 04-04-2016 17:50


Amigos, boa noite!

Saudações pinguianas para todos.

Desculpa está incomodando vocês novamente com esse assunto, mas estou
precisando ainda de ajuda para manter o Projeto Aprendendo Linux vivo.

Eu comecei essa campanha no dia 20/03/2016 e até 

Nautilus et taille des fichiers en binaires

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Bonjour,

Sauriez-vous comment faire pour que nautilus affiche les tailles en binaire
plutôt qu'en décimal ?

Gaëtan

Re: canberra-gtk-module not loaded?

[Alan McConnell]

- Original Message -
From: "Sven Arvidsson" 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 4:24:51 PM
Subject: Re: canberra-gtk-module not loaded?

On Fri, 2016-04-22 at 19:35 +, Blair, Charles E III wrote:
>    I have just installed the stable jessie using netinst on a
> laptop.  When I run certain programs, I am getting a message
> "canberra-gtk-module not loaded."  How do I fix this?   How serious
> is it?

GTK+ uses canberra to play event sounds (on errors dialogs etc).

It isn't serious at all and can be fixed by installing the canberra
library.
  Suppose one doesn't like the squawks that are emitted when e.g.
  a typing mistake is made, or a file isn't found.  Can one
  dis-install, or disable canberra, without otherwise messing up
  the sound?

Alan, who hopes to listen to Otello tomorrow on his computer!

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Felix Miata]

Gary Roach composed on 2016-04-22 12:24 (UTC-0700):


Gary Roach wrote:



For the last several weeks my posts to this site have not been showing
up. I am not sure whether they are getting through or not. Someone
respond to the message just to  show me that my postings are getting
through.


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/msg00793.html should be proof 
enough it was sent. You don't need to ask anyone to clutter the list with a 
response to prove it arrived anywhere. Competent messages in response to it 
include its ID, from which and in combination with the response message's 
other headers point you to it in the archive.



OK. All of a sudden my original posts are showing up but if I add an
attachment the post seems to drop into a black hole. No post, no
rejection notice. I have looked at the sites rules and have not found
any information that would exclude attachments.


It's there, hiding in not so plain sight:

"Avoid sending large attachments."

It doesn't declare what "large" means, or how to avoid. Large attachments 
tend to get a message characterized as spam, as spam is usually very much 
larger than an average list message, as are typical screenshots. Thus it's 
unsurprising some otherwise valid list messages seem to disappear, or that a 
message reaches the list, but with its "large" binary attachment scrubbed.



Since I have not found a way to embed a screen shot into the body of the
email, how do I pass a screen shot for members to view.


This has been answered in another thread reply. To elaborate on that reply, 
consider installing and running Apache. With it, you host your screenshot on 
your own PC, for as long or as short a period as you choose. That way, only 
those who purposefully open it, via the link you include in your post, 
consume its bandwidth, and it doesn't stay in perpetual archive that most 
often quickly becomes useless.


Gary Roach composed on 2016-04-22 15:22 (UTC-0700):

> I'm glad you thing this is a minor problem. Just put out a critical
> question, get no answer and not know whether its due to the message not
> getting through or just no interest. It drives me nuts. Things are
> inconsistent as well. When I posted this thread my original message was
> posted. Since then I tried to as a question requiring the inclusion of a
> screen shot. I put the screen shot as an attachment. The message just
> disappeared never to be heard from again. Very annoying.

Also annoying is mailing list admin policy that stuffs all helpful list usage 
information into the headers, a place too many list subscribers have no idea 
how to access, or know or think to find out about.


Arguably more astute list admins put, where it's hard to miss, as a message 
attachment, rather than exclusively within the message headers, the following:


How to unsubscribe (or link thereto)
List policies link
Link to list archive

Other admins stand on a powerful overriding minimalist principle that once is 
enough even though it routinely causes off- or marginally topical list 
traffic. Those admins usually combine it with refusal to munge[1], which when 
done results in response messages most often going automatically to their 
intended destination, the list responsible for them ever having been received 
in the first place. The world is not a perfect place. Don't expect it to be.


[1] RFC 2822 https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt dissuades munging, while 
http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-useful.html explains the 
helpful-to-users arguments in favor of munging.

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Re: Posts don't show on list

[David Wright]

On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 15:22:11 (-0700), Gary Roach wrote:
> On 04/22/2016 06:02 AM, Mimiko wrote:
> >On 22.04.2016 09:46, Tixy wrote:
> >>It's because you use gmail and that has a 'feature' which you can't turn
> >>off that deliberately hides your own messages.
> >
> >On 22.04.2016 09:55, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >> Like I said to Michael; gmail.
> >>
> >> I find it surprising, to say the least, that, even after all this time,
> >> some people still do not know that gmail does not return list posts to
> >> the writer.
> >
> >I know about this. Its just a minor annoyance. I could just enter
> >lists site and see if it is there or not. I don't send a duplicate
> >if message is on list.
> >
> >On 22.04.2016 11:59, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> What you Mimiko, should be doing is using your own ISP's mail server,
> >> which on this mailing list I am, by setting up your own email agent.
> >> There are quite a few available for linux.
> >
> >I don't want to use my ISP's mail account. Its limited. It can be
> >blocked. I can switch to another ISP.
> >
> >I could setup a mail server, but why should I bother to set it up
> >on my linux-like router, or on my windows desktop...
> >
> >
> >This google's "functionality" is a minor problem.
> >
> I'm glad you thing this is a minor problem. Just put out a critical
> question, get no answer and not know whether its due to the message
> not getting through or just no interest. It drives me nuts. Things
> are inconsistent as well. When I posted this thread my original
> message was posted. Since then I tried to as a question requiring
> the inclusion of a screen shot. I put the screen shot as an
> attachment. The message just disappeared never to be heard from
> again. Very annoying .

Do you not have web access? You can check there.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 22 April 2016 20:20:50 Brian wrote:
> It's a waste of time. Even if you conclusively demonstrated the offending
> header was Message-Id: (and it almost certainly is a major player) what
> would you do? Better is to avoid providers who think it fine to mess with
> your mail. People wouldn't accept Royal Mail or the US Postal Service
> doing it.

I have a particular instance, where it would be useful if I knew what to avoid 
in order to be allowed some "duplicates".  I am now careful to ensure that 
they are not identical, but they are still sometimes treated as duplicates.  
If I were able to analyse why, I could avoid the deletions every time.
>
> As for duplicates: are the mails sent to the list and the one sent back
> duplicates? That is, identical in every regard?

No.   It is a different situation involving "duplicates" and Gmail.

Lisi

Re: Posts don't show on list

[The Wanderer]

On 2016-04-22 at 15:20, Brian wrote:

> On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 18:29:11 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
>> On Friday 22 April 2016 18:04:36 The Wanderer wrote:
>>> I'm talking about what it uses for detecting duplicates so it can
>>> discard them
>> 
>> That is worth my while to investigate.  I am a bit pushed at the
>> moment, but will report back.
> 
> It's a waste of time. Even if you conclusively demonstrated the
> offending header was Message-Id: (and it almost certainly is a major
> player) what would you do? Better is to avoid providers who think it
> fine to mess with your mail. People wouldn't accept Royal Mail or the
> US Postal Service doing it.
> 
> As for duplicates: are the mails sent to the list and the one sent
> back duplicates? That is, identical in every regard?

No; at minimum, the mails which are sent back have the List-ID header
added, identifying the mailing list through which the message has been
processed. (In my experience, usually there are other variances as
well.)

Google appears to treat them as if they were, however. That being
precisely the problem.

-- 
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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
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Re: Posts don't show on list

[Gary Roach]

On 04/22/2016 06:02 AM, Mimiko wrote:

On 22.04.2016 09:46, Tixy wrote:

It's because you use gmail and that has a 'feature' which you can't turn
off that deliberately hides your own messages.


On 22.04.2016 09:55, Brad Rogers wrote:
> Like I said to Michael; gmail.
>
> I find it surprising, to say the least, that, even after all this time,
> some people still do not know that gmail does not return list posts to
> the writer.

I know about this. Its just a minor annoyance. I could just enter 
lists site and see if it is there or not. I don't send a duplicate if 
message is on list.


On 22.04.2016 11:59, Gene Heskett wrote:
> What you Mimiko, should be doing is using your own ISP's mail server,
> which on this mailing list I am, by setting up your own email agent.
> There are quite a few available for linux.

I don't want to use my ISP's mail account. Its limited. It can be 
blocked. I can switch to another ISP.


I could setup a mail server, but why should I bother to set it up on 
my linux-like router, or on my windows desktop...



This google's "functionality" is a minor problem.

I'm glad you thing this is a minor problem. Just put out a critical 
question, get no answer and not know whether its due to the message not 
getting through or just no interest. It drives me nuts. Things are 
inconsistent as well. When I posted this thread my original message was 
posted. Since then I tried to as a question requiring the inclusion of a 
screen shot. I put the screen shot as an attachment. The message just 
disappeared never to be heard from again. Very annoying .


Gary R.

Re: Stop Hard Drive fromn Thrashing

[Michael Jones]

On 22/04/16 16:25, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> My hard drive keeps running and I would like to know what is happening. 
> Google does not seem to be too friendly.
> 
> Any pointers in the right direction will be much appreciated.

sudo apt-get install iotop

sudo iotop -o

(will show applications doing write),

have you checked your log files? is something logging like crazy?

Kind Regards,
Mike



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Re: Posts don't show on list

[David Wright]

On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 12:24:26 (-0700), Gary Roach wrote:
> OK. All of a sudden my original posts are showing up but if I add an
> attachment the post seems to drop into a black hole. No post, no
> rejection notice. I have looked at the sites rules and have not
> found any information that would exclude attachments.
> 
> Since I have not found a way to embed a screen shot into the body of
> the email, how do I pass a screen shot for members to view.
> 
> Gary R.
> 
> On 04/21/2016 05:37 PM, Gary Roach wrote:
> >For the last several weeks my posts to this site have not been
> >showing up. I am not sure whether they are getting through or not.
> >Someone respond to the message just to  show me that my postings
> >are getting through.

You complained on 7 April about attachments not geting through:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/msg00381.html
There were several follow-ups.

On 9 April, you complained your posts weren't getting through:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/04/msg00422.html
There were several follow-ups. I posted the URL of a posting
containing an attachment.

Now you're at it again. Do you just *post* to the list? Or do you
occasionally *read* the replies? I've CC'd this to you.

Cheers,
David.

Re: canberra-gtk-module not loaded?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2016-04-22 at 19:35 +, Blair, Charles E III wrote:
>    I have just installed the stable jessie using netinst on a
> laptop.  When I run certain programs, I am getting a message
> "canberra-gtk-module not loaded."  How do I fix this?   How serious
> is it?

GTK+ uses canberra to play event sounds (on errors dialogs etc).

It isn't serious at all and can be fixed by installing the canberra
library.

-- 
Cheers,
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canberra-gtk-module not loaded?

[Blair, Charles E III]

   I have just installed the stable jessie using netinst on a laptop.  When I 
run certain programs, I am getting a message "canberra-gtk-module not loaded."  
How do I fix this?   How serious is it?

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Brian]

On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 12:24:26 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:

> OK. All of a sudden my original posts are showing up but if I add an

You mean that all those posts from months ago are now available to you?

> attachment the post seems to drop into a black hole. No post, no rejection
> notice. I have looked at the sites rules and have not found any information
> that would exclude attachments.

Unless there is an unanounced change to list behaviour, attachments are
permitted. I've sent one with this post.

> Since I have not found a way to embed a screen shot into the body of the
> email, how do I pass a screen shot for members to view.

What is the size of the screenshot?
>From bounce-debian-user=debianuser=copernicus.demon.co...@lists.debian.org Fri 
>Apr 22 20:27:06 2016
Return-path: 

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Joe]

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:24:26 -0700
Gary Roach  wrote:

> OK. All of a sudden my original posts are showing up but if I add an 
> attachment the post seems to drop into a black hole. No post, no 
> rejection notice. I have looked at the sites rules and have not found 
> any information that would exclude attachments.

It ought to be there somewhere, this is a text-only list/group.

> 
> Since I have not found a way to embed a screen shot into the body of
> the email, how do I pass a screen shot for members to view.
> 
Upload to a website, either your own or a public one. I don't use
a public one, so I have no recommendation, but no doubt others will.

It is a courtesy in any case, in any list or group, as some
subscribers may have limited Internet capability, and should have the
choice as to whether to download comparatively large chunks of data.

-- 
Joe

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Gary Roach]

OK. All of a sudden my original posts are showing up but if I add an 
attachment the post seems to drop into a black hole. No post, no 
rejection notice. I have looked at the sites rules and have not found 
any information that would exclude attachments.


Since I have not found a way to embed a screen shot into the body of the 
email, how do I pass a screen shot for members to view.


Gary R.

On 04/21/2016 05:37 PM, Gary Roach wrote:
For the last several weeks my posts to this site have not been showing 
up. I am not sure whether they are getting through or not. Someone 
respond to the message just to  show me that my postings are getting 
through.


Gary R.

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Brian]

On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 18:29:11 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 22 April 2016 18:04:36 The Wanderer wrote:
> > I'm talking about what it uses
> > for detecting duplicates so it can discard them
> 
> That is worth my while to investigate.  I am a bit pushed at the moment, but 
> will report back.

It's a waste of time. Even if you conclusively demonstrated the offending
header was Message-Id: (and it almost certainly is a major player) what
would you do? Better is to avoid providers who think it fine to mess with
your mail. People wouldn't accept Royal Mail or the US Postal Service
doing it.

As for duplicates: are the mails sent to the list and the one sent back
duplicates? That is, identical in every regard?

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Brian]

On Thu 21 Apr 2016 at 19:18:36 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:

> Actually this time it worked for the first time in a month. Hopefully the
> problem has been corrected. Thanks for your reply. Normally we do get a
> return copy of our posts

Your last posts to the list were on or about the 9th and 18th April, a
couple of weeks ago. What problem are you talking about? During all that
time (and before) the list software has been accepting mail and sending
mail to all the subscribers of the list.

Please do not imply the mailing list setup is in some way defective. You
would have to examine and describe what is happening at your end. If the
problem has been corrected it is there.

Re: Stop Hard Drive fromn Thrashing

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:25:15AM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I have installed Debian v-8.4.0.
> 
> My hard drive keeps running and I would like to know what is
> happening.  Google does not seem to be too friendly.
> 
> Any pointers in the right direction will be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

There's a tool, iotop, in the same-named package which lists I/O usage
of processes. Perhaps this can give some hints.

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Re: Bug Samba #821002

[Sil]

Le 21/04/2016 16:26, Jean-Louis Mas a écrit :

J'ai fait un :

apt-get update

apt-get install python-samba=2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2
samba-common=2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 samba-libs=2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2
samba-common-bin=2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2
samba-dsdb-modules=2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2
samba-vfs-modules=2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2 libldb1=2:1.1.17-2+deb8u1
python-ldb=2:1.1.17-2+deb8u1 samba=2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2

Puis pour bloquer les mises à jours

apt-mark hold samba samba-common samba-common-bin samba-dsdb-modules
samba-libs samba-vfs-modules

Bonjour,

J'étais en train de chercher les paquets sur des dépôts web. Je ne 
pensait pas que les anciennes versions étaient toujours disponibles sous 
apt.
Je viens de faire la manip, je regarde ce qui ce passe lundi matin au 
retour des machines sur le réseau.


Merci, Bon Week-end.
Sil

Re: paquete python-farstream

[José Maldonado]

El día 22 de abril de 2016, 10:54, Suso Baco
 escribió:
> Hola, he notado que el paquete python-farstream no está ni en debian testing
> ni en sid, y es básico para el las video-llamadas en gajim. ¿como debo
> reportar el error, o proponer su implementación?
>
> Gracias.
>
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>

El bug ya está reportado

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813763




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lvm thin provisioning over provisioning

[Bhasker C V]

Hi,

 I am starting with investigating about the lvm thin provisioning
 (apologies for html mail)

 I have done the following

1.Create a PV
vdb252:16   0   10G  0 disk
├─vdb1 252:17   0  100M  0 part
└─vdb2 252:18   0  9.9G  0 part
root@vmm-deb:~# pvcreate /dev/vdb1
  Physical volume "/dev/vdb1" successfully created.
root@vmm-deb:~# pvs
  PV VG   Fmt  Attr PSize   PFree 
  /dev/vdb1   lvm2 ---  100.00m 100.00m

2. create a VG
root@vmm-deb:~# vgcreate virtp /dev/vdb1
  Volume group "virtp" successfully created
root@vmm-deb:~# vgs
  VG#PV #LV #SN Attr   VSize  VFree
  virtp   1   0   0 wz--n- 96.00m 96.00m

3. create a lv pool  and a over-provisioned volume inside it
root@vmm-deb:~# lvcreate -n virtpool -T virtp/virtpool -L40M
  Logical volume "virtpool" created.
root@vmm-deb:~# lvs
  LV   VGAttr   LSize  Pool Origin Data%  Meta%  Move Log
Cpy%Sync Convert
  virtpool virtp twi-a-tz-- 40.00m 0.00  
0.88   
root@vmm-deb:~# lvcreate  -V1G -T virtp/virtpool -n vol01
  WARNING: Sum of all thin volume sizes (1.00 GiB) exceeds the size of
thin pool virtp/virtpool and the size of whole volume group (96.00 MiB)!
  For thin pool auto extension activation/thin_pool_autoextend_threshold
should be below 100.
  Logical volume "vol01" created.
root@vmm-deb:~# lvs
  LV   VGAttr   LSize  Pool Origin Data%  Meta%  Move
Log Cpy%Sync Convert
  virtpool virtp twi-aotz-- 40.00m 0.00  
0.98   
  vol01virtp Vwi-a-tz--  1.00g virtpool   
0.00  

-- Now the operations
# dd if=/dev/urandom of=./fil status=progress
90532864 bytes (91 MB, 86 MiB) copied, 6.5 s, 15.1 MB/s^C
188706+0 records in
188705+0 records out
96616960 bytes (97 MB, 92 MiB) copied, 6.42704 s, 15.0 MB/s

# df -h .
Filesystem   Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/virtp-vol01  976M   95M  815M  11% /tmp/x
# sync
# cd ..
root@vmm-deb:/tmp# umount x
root@vmm-deb:/tmp# fsck.ext4 -f -C0  /dev/virtp/vol01 
e2fsck 1.43-WIP (15-Mar-2016)
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
Pass 2: Checking directory
structure  
Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity
Pass 4: Checking reference counts
Pass 5: Checking group summary information
/dev/virtp/vol01: 12/65536 files (8.3% non-contiguous), 36544/262144
blocks   


# du -hs fil
93Mfil

# dd if=./fil of=/dev/null status=progress
188705+0 records in
188705+0 records out
96616960 bytes (97 MB, 92 MiB) copied, 0.149194 s, 648 MB/s


# vgs
  VG#PV #LV #SN Attr   VSize  VFree
  virtp   1   2   0 wz--n- 96.00m 48.00m


What i expect is that the pool is 40M and the file must NOT exceed 40M.
Where does the file get 93M space ?
I know the VG is 96M but the pool created was max 40M (also VG still
says 48M free). Is the file exceeding the boundaries ?
or am I doing anything wrong ?

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Re: Error de firmware

[José Maldonado]

El día 22 de abril de 2016, 13:22,   escribió:
> Buenas,
> No estoy seguro si esta duda que tengo la debo preguntar aquí, pero de
> todas formas algo el intento.
> Tengo instalado debian 8.2 . Al iniciar la computadora me sale un mensaje
> que dice:" El firmware ha detectado un error de bateria CMOS "
> saludos,
> merlin
>
>
> --
> Este mensaje le ha llegado mediante el servicio de correo electronico que 
> ofrece Infomed para respaldar el cumplimiento de las misiones del Sistema 
> Nacional de Salud. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de 
> usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas
>
> Infomed: http://www.sld.cu/
>

Mas claro no puede ser el mensaje.

Cámbiale la batería a tu CMOS y resuelves el problema.



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Re: [OT]Re: Error de firmware

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 22/04/16 a las 20:07, Santiago José López Borrazás escribió:

Olvidé mencionar, que esa clase de pilas son el modelo (normalmente): CR2032.

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[OT]Re: Error de firmware

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 22/04/16 a las 19:52, merlinva2...@grannet.grm.sld.cu escribió:
> Buenas,
> No estoy seguro si esta duda que tengo la debo preguntar aquí, pero de
> todas formas algo el intento.

Está fuera de la lista, así que, habría que poner como yo he puesto, el
[OT], o también el [OFTTOPIC].

> Tengo instalado debian 8.2 . Al iniciar la computadora me sale un mensaje
> que dice:" El firmware ha detectado un error de bateria CMOS "

Significa que la pila de la placa madre (es una pequeña pila de botón de 3
voltios, que se puede comprar fácilmente en cualquier supermercado o
cualquier tienda de pilas que tengas cercana), es fácil de cambiar y ponerla
de nuevo.

Este fallo, está causado por la falla de la pila de botón que, a su vez,
como está descargada, sale ese error.

Como sé que estáis en Cuba, puede que algún sitio os lo puedan vender esa
clase de pila.

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Re: Error de firmware

[fernando sainz]

El día 22 de abril de 2016, 19:52,   escribió:
> Buenas,
> No estoy seguro si esta duda que tengo la debo preguntar aquí, pero de
> todas formas algo el intento.
> Tengo instalado debian 8.2 . Al iniciar la computadora me sale un mensaje
> que dice:" El firmware ha detectado un error de bateria CMOS "
> saludos,
> merlin
>

Pues efectivamente no tiene mucho que ver con la lista, deberías haber
puesto en el asunto: [OT] Error de firmware.

No sé si tienes conexión a internet, pero en estos casos lo mejor es
poner el error en un buscador.

Si es un equipo viejo, puede ser que se haya agotado la batería que
lleva para mantener entre otras cosas la hora del equipo.

Si es así con cambiarla se soluciona.

S2.

Error de firmware

[merlinva2012]

Buenas,
No estoy seguro si esta duda que tengo la debo preguntar aquí, pero de
todas formas algo el intento.
Tengo instalado debian 8.2 . Al iniciar la computadora me sale un mensaje
que dice:" El firmware ha detectado un error de bateria CMOS "
saludos,
merlin


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ofrece Infomed para respaldar el cumplimiento de las misiones del Sistema 
Nacional de Salud. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de usar 
el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas

Infomed: http://www.sld.cu/

Re: Acesso ao owncloud

[Leonardo Rocha]

Eu acesso ip/owncloud

Onde esse IP pode ser local ou externo.


Enviado de meu ASUS

 Mensagem Original 
De:Leandro 
Enviado em:Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:32:04 -0300
Para:Leonardo Rocha 
Cc:dup 
Assunto:Re: Acesso ao owncloud

>2016-04-22 13:26 GMT-03:00 Leonardo Rocha :
>>
>> configurei um computador em casa pra ficar como servidor. Estou testando
>> o serviço do owncloud e até outro dia estava dando tudo certo. Não
>> recordo se fiz alguma alteração mas enfim, agora que tento acessar a
>> aplicação, me aparece essa mensagem:
>
>Tenta exatamente como?
>
>
>> 
>> parent.location.href="/cgi-bin/index.asp";
>> 
>
>O Own cloude serve ASP?  Tem algo muito estranho aí.
>
>
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Re: Acesso ao owncloud

[Leonardo Rocha]

Pois é, configurei apache2 e MySQL nele. Nada mais. Ai me apareceu esse aviso 
uns dias depois que estava funcionando. Pensei que pudesse ser restrição no 
modem mas realmente não sei do que se trata. 

Enviado de meu ASUS

 Mensagem Original 
De:Leandro 
Enviado em:Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:32:04 -0300
Para:Leonardo Rocha 
Cc:dup 
Assunto:Re: Acesso ao owncloud

>2016-04-22 13:26 GMT-03:00 Leonardo Rocha :
>>
>> configurei um computador em casa pra ficar como servidor. Estou testando
>> o serviço do owncloud e até outro dia estava dando tudo certo. Não
>> recordo se fiz alguma alteração mas enfim, agora que tento acessar a
>> aplicação, me aparece essa mensagem:
>
>Tenta exatamente como?
>
>
>> 
>> parent.location.href="/cgi-bin/index.asp";
>> 
>
>O Own cloude serve ASP?  Tem algo muito estranho aí.
>
>
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Re: Posts don't show on list

[John Hasler]

David writes:
> I only use my ISP sending from home, and never for receiving mail.

I pay my ISP to connect me to the Net.  They do a pretty good job of
that.  I pay Newsguy to handle email for me.  They do an excellent job.
I pay Gandi to host my Web sites.  They do an excellent job.  Do you see
a pattern here?

BTW you don't even need to change ISPs to be forced to change your email
address if you use your ISP's server.  My ISP change their name  and
forced all their customers to change their addresses to match.
-- 
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jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 22 April 2016 18:04:36 The Wanderer wrote:
> I'm talking about what it uses
> for detecting duplicates so it can discard them

That is worth my while to investigate.  I am a bit pushed at the moment, but 
will report back.

Lisi

Re: Stop Hard Drive fromn Thrashing

[David Wright]

On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 11:25:15 (-0400), Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I have installed Debian v-8.4.0.
> 
> My hard drive keeps running and I would like to know what is
> happening.  Google does not seem to be too friendly.

Not a lot to go on there. (Turn off the computer, says the cynic.)

What were you running before? Wheezy? My laptop disk thrashes for
two or three minutes at bootup. This is an inconvenience for
typing my password (it can take <= 8 seconds for the prompt which
turns off password reflection). X is slow to start the first time
(up to a minute). Very unlike wheezy's behaviour.

If it carries on thrashing, is it swapping?$ top

Is your browser running?

Cheers,
David.

Re: Posts don't show on list

[The Wanderer]

On 2016-04-22 at 12:41, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 22 April 2016 13:56:49 The Wanderer wrote:
>> Interesting. Do you have any evidence for the idea that it uses
>> more than just Message-ID? I can't prove that it doesn't, but I've
>> never seen anything that I recall to indicate that it does.
> 
> It doesn't use MORE than the message ID.  It doesn't use the message
> ID, so far as I can see, at all. It uses the subject header.  That is
> why those using the Gmail interface munge threads so appallingly.

That's for threading purposes, though. I'm talking about what it uses
for detecting duplicates so it can discard them; it obviously can't be
using the Subject header for that, or users would never see more than
one message per change of Subject.

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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: Posts don't show on list

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 22 April 2016 14:20:18 Nicolas George wrote:
>  I suspect the misfeature belongs in gmail's web interface,
> actually, and the mails are really present in the archive and accessible
> through IMAP.

Possibly.   I avoid all I care about (I use threading) by using an email 
client, POP3 and my ISP's SMTP server.

Lisi

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 22 April 2016 13:56:49 The Wanderer wrote:
> Interesting. Do you have any evidence for the idea that it uses more
> than just Message-ID? I can't prove that it doesn't, but I've never seen
> anything that I recall to indicate that it does.

It doesn't use MORE than the message ID.  It doesn't use the message ID, so 
far as I can see, at all. It uses the subject header.  That is why those 
using the Gmail interface munge threads so appallingly.

Lisi

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 22 April 2016 14:02:11 Mimiko wrote:
> I don't want to use my ISP's mail account. Its limited. It can be
> blocked. I can switch to another ISP.

So you switch your SMTP sever.  What is the problem???

Lisi

Re: Aternativa de Zapya para Debian

[Paynalton]

No es que los smartphones vuelvan a la gente vaga, es que ya son tan
baratos que cualquier vago tiene uno jajajjajajaj
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El vie, 22-04-2016 a las 14:02 +, Camaleón escribió:

> El Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:28:49 -0400, luis escribió:
> 
> > Buenas a todos
> 
> Ese formato, Luis...
> > 
> > En Android y Windows tenemoms Zapya, mi pregunta cual es la alternativa
> > para Linux Debian ???
> > 
> > Alguna idea ???
> 
> ¿Te refieres a esto?
> 
> http://www.izapya.com/
> 
> Permite compartir archivos entre distintos aparatos pero a parte de la 
> sencillez de uso no le veo nada original que no puedas hacer YA con: 
> samba, ftp, rsync, webdav, nfs o la infinidad de protocolos de red que 
> existen desde hace decenios. 
> 
> Me parece que la gente se vuelve *muy* vaga con esto de los smartphones 
> >:-)
> 
> Saludos,
> 

Re: Stop Hard Drive fromn Thrashing

[Kent West]

On 04/22/2016 10:25 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I have installed Debian v-8.4.0.

My hard drive keeps running and I would like to know what is 
happening.  Google does not seem to be too friendly.


Any pointers in the right direction will be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.



Try shutting down X (too many variables to guess how to tell you to do 
that without more info) and see if the thrashing stops; if it does, 
maybe start X with a different windowing environment.


That should help track down the issue somewhat.

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Re: Acesso ao owncloud

[Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA , Leandro]

2016-04-22 13:26 GMT-03:00 Leonardo Rocha :
>
> configurei um computador em casa pra ficar como servidor. Estou testando
> o serviço do owncloud e até outro dia estava dando tudo certo. Não
> recordo se fiz alguma alteração mas enfim, agora que tento acessar a
> aplicação, me aparece essa mensagem:

Tenta exatamente como?


> 
> parent.location.href="/cgi-bin/index.asp";
> 

O Own cloude serve ASP?  Tem algo muito estranho aí.


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Acesso ao owncloud

[Leonardo Rocha]

Eae gente, boa tarde!

configurei um computador em casa pra ficar como servidor. Estou testando
o serviço do owncloud e até outro dia estava dando tudo certo. Não
recordo se fiz alguma alteração mas enfim, agora que tento acessar a
aplicação, me aparece essa mensagem:


parent.location.href="/cgi-bin/index.asp";


Configurei uma conta em duckdns.org pra ter um nome pra acessar
externamente, uma vez que minha internet é adsl(ip dinâmico). Funcionou
muito bom e estava funcionando.

Eu realmente não sei o que é. Estava seguindo umas orientações deste site:

http://www.adrianoafonso.net/blog/2014/criar-um-servidor-owncloud-debian/

Porque quero tirar as pastas dos arquivos do caminho /var/www/... e
colocar na home do computador e pra ativar protocolo de segurança ssl
pra acesso.

Alguém saberia me dizer o que pode ser isso?

Agradeço e aguardo.

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Re: Posts don't show on list

[David Wright]

On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 05:11:07 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 22 April 2016 04:43:56 Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 4/21/2016 11:49 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
> > > I have participated in several threads on this list and have
> > > asked a few questions on the list.  I never see my own posts, but
> > > as I do see the results on the list, I know that they are getting
> > > through.
> > That's a frequently reported "feature" of gmail.
> > Personally I suspect "free" service isn't worth what you pay for it.
> > I'm very happy using paid ($) mail and news servers :}
> 
> Paid?  Mail? Its part of YOUR ISP's responsibility to provide a mail server.

Yes, but your email address will likely be chosen for you, and will
change each time you change ISP. Changing your email address is
exactly what you *don't* want to do when, for example, you move
house.

There's also the issue of going on the road.

> But mail servers 
> are part of an ISP's job description, so use them. You have already paid 
> for them when you pay your monthly bill.

I only use my ISP sending from home, and never for receiving mail.

Cheers,
David.

Re: paquete python-farstream

[Camaleón]

El Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:24:15 +0200, Suso Baco escribió:

> Hola, he notado que el paquete python-farstream no está ni en debian
> testing ni en sid, y es básico para el las video-llamadas en gajim.
> ¿como debo reportar el error, o proponer su implementación?

El paquete no está por algún motivo que puedes consultar aquí:

https://packages.qa.debian.org/f/farstream.html

Venga, ya te lo busco :-P

RM: farstream -- ROM; obsolete, unused
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802204

Saludos,

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paquete python-farstream

[Suso Baco]

Hola, he notado que el paquete python-farstream no está ni en debian 
testing ni en sid, y es básico para el las video-llamadas en gajim. 
¿como debo reportar el error, o proponer su implementación?


Gracias.

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Speech-To-Text?

[Kent West]

I have an Android phone recording of a meeting that I'd like to 
transcribe to text, and was hoping there was an automagic way to convert 
most of it.


My google-fu seems to be failing me, or else that info simply isn't out 
there.


The closest I've found is the use of a tool called pocketsphinx (which 
seems to be a toolset for developers to be used in applications, not a 
finished product suitable for use by an end-user).


I saved my Android audio file to Google Drive, and downloaded it from 
there to my main Debian box (for unknown reasons, I couldn't use GMail 
to mail it as an attachment, or attach it to an FB Message).


As per what I was able to figure out about it, I then converted my .mp4 
file to a .wav file:


ffmpeg -i ../Downloads/Dana\ of\ City.m4a -ar 16000 -ac 1 DanaOfCity.wav

I verified that worked with

aplay DanaOfCity.wav

Then I worked out the basics (I hoped) of the command to be this (mostly 
from an example at 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/161515/speech-recognition-app-to-convert-mp3-to-text 
(answer 8, footnote 2):


pocketsphinx_continuous -infile ~/Downloads/DanaOfCity.wav -hmm 
en_US/hub4wsj_sc_8k -lm en_US/hub4.5000.DMP 2> pocketsphinx.log


which I understand to mean:
- my input file is my data file "DanaOfCity.wav"
- the "-hmm" parameter (which pocketsphinx knows automatically is in 
/usr/share/pocketsphinx/model) is to be the "en_US/hub4wwsj_sc_8k" 
directory (which contains the "mdef" model (whatever that is), which it 
had trouble finding until I added the "hub..." part)
- the "-lm" (is that a digit one or a letter ell? ah, it's an ell) 
parameter works like the "-hmm" parameter above
- the 2> pocketsphinx.log routes the normal output of the app to a file 
named "pocketsphinx.log" in the current directory


When I run this, the process files with this output in my 
pocketsphinx.log output:


westk@westek:~/bub$ cat pocketsphinx.log
INFO: pocketsphinx.c(145): Parsed model-specific feature parameters from 
/usr/share/pocketsphinx/model/hmm/en_US/hub4wsj_sc_8k/feat.params

Current configuration:
[NAME][DEFLT][VALUE]
-agcnonenone
-agcthresh2.02.00e+00
-allphone
-allphone_cinono
-alpha0.979.70e-01
-ascale20.02.00e+01
-aw11
-backtracenono
-beam1e-481.00e-48
-bestpathyesyes
-bestpathlw9.59.50e+00
-ceplen1313
-cmncurrentcurrent
-cmninit8.056,-3,1
-compallsennono
-debug0
-dict
-dictcasenono
-dithernono
-doublebwnono
-ds11
-fdict /usr/share/pocketsphinx/model/hmm/en_US/hub4wsj_sc_8k/noisedict
-feat1s_c_d_dd1s_c_d_dd
-featparams 
/usr/share/pocketsphinx/model/hmm/en_US/hub4wsj_sc_8k/feat.params

-fillprob1e-81.00e-08
-frate100100
-fsg
-fsgusealtpronyesyes
-fsgusefilleryesyes
-fwdflatyesyes
-fwdflatbeam1e-641.00e-64
-fwdflatefwid44
-fwdflatlw8.58.50e+00
-fwdflatsfwin2525
-fwdflatwbeam7e-297.00e-29
-fwdtreeyesyes
-hmm /usr/share/pocketsphinx/model/hmm/en_US/hub4wsj_sc_8k
-input_endianlittlelittle
-jsgf
-keyphrase
-kws
-kws_delay1010
-kws_plp1e-11.00e-01
-kws_threshold11.00e+00
-latsize50005000
-lda
-ldadim00
-lifter00
-lm /usr/share/pocketsphinx/model/lm/en_US/hub4.5000.DMP
-lmctl
-lmname
-logbase1.00011.000100e+00
-logfn
-logspecnono
-lowerf133.41.00e+00
-lpbeam1e-401.00e-40
-lponlybeam7e-297.00e-29
-lw6.56.50e+00
-maxhmmpf33
-maxwpf-1-1
-mdef /usr/share/pocketsphinx/model/hmm/en_US/hub4wsj_sc_8k/mdef
-mean /usr/share/pocketsphinx/model/hmm/en_US/hub4wsj_sc_8k/means
-mfclogdir
-min_endfr00
-mixw
-mixwfloor0.0011.00e-07
-mllr
-mmapyesyes
-ncep1313
-nfft512512
-nfilt4020
-nwpen1.01.00e+00
-pbeam1e-481.00e-48
-pip1.01.00e+00
-pl_beam1e-101.00e-10
-pl_pbeam1e-101.00e-10
-pl_pip1.01.00e+00
-pl_weight3.03.00e+00
-pl_window55
-rawlogdir
-remove_dcnoyes
-remove_noiseyesyes
-remove_silenceyesyes
-round_filtersyesno
-samprate160001.60e+04
-seed

Re: FreeNAS con Debian

[Walter O. Dari]

Hola...

El 22/04/16 a las 10:43, Camaleón escribió:

El Thu, 21 Apr 2016 22:05:47 +0200, Josu Lazkano escribió:


Muchas gracias por vuetras respuestas.

En un principio pense en montar Debian con RAID 1 y exportat por NFS,
pero veo que FreeNAS tiene una interfaz web muy bonita y ademas tiene
una buena comunidad.


Todo muy cuco, sí.

El problema de esos sistemas pre-montados y pre-configurados surge cuando
quieres hacer algo que no viene de serie, entonces te las ves y te las
deseas para mirarle las tripas e intentar no romper nada. Por eso me tira
más la opción de montar Debian, poner algún entorno mínimo mono y si
tengo que mirarle las tripas sé que no se va a quejar:sé que puedo
realizar una operación a corazón abierto y el paciente saldrá sano y
salvo del quirófano O:-)


Creo que me decantare por FreeNAS, os mantengo informados.


No te olvides de openmediavault y openfiler.


Yo utilizo 3 servidores Debian a fines de respaldo de información.

No son equipos muy potentes (Intel dual core c/4 Gb u 8 de RAM) y tiene 
unos 8 años de antigüedad.


Todos tienen un disco de 80 o 160 Gb donde están /boot, swap, /tmp, / y 
/usr,


/var y /home están en dos discos de 2 Tb apartes en raid1 por software, 
el primero por el tema de mariadb y las bases de datos.


En uno de ellos tengo instalado minidlna para poder acceder desde 
cualquier dispositivo a la multimedia.


Los archivos los compartimos con samba y nfs.

Todo los que es respaldo de información crítica está automatizado con 
cron y rsync.


Años funcionando sin problemas.

Por cierto todavía usan Wheezy, en algún momento que no me de fiaca tal 
vez los actualice, aunque andan tan bien que me da pena tocarlos.




Saludos,




Saludos,

--

Walter O. Dari

http://swcomputacion.com/
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Stop Hard Drive fromn Thrashing

[Stephen P. Molnar]

I have installed Debian v-8.4.0.

My hard drive keeps running and I would like to know what is happening.  
Google does not seem to be too friendly.


Any pointers in the right direction will be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Re: open-iscsi & multipath-tools

[Christian Seiler]

Hello,

(CC'ing the bug report I created, dropping debian-user in reply-to.)

Am 2016-04-22 16:10, schrieb BASSAGET Cédric:

I'm unable to reproduce for about 1 hour... Now, everyhting works fine
after a reboot, but... the only thing I've done is to remove the vg /
pv i created on multipath device... weird.


Maybe that's the issue? Could you recreate the LVM stuff? That should
also be supported, so maybe this only occurs if LVM is used on top.

But even if it appears to be fixed, could you still copy the output
of the systemctl and journalctl commands I asked for?

systemctl show -p Before,After,WantedBy,Wants,RequiredBy,Requires 
multipath-tools.service
systemctl show -p Before,After,WantedBy,Wants,RequiredBy,Requires 
open-iscsi.service

journalctl -u open-iscsi.service -u multipath-tools.service

Regards,
Christian

Avec quels outils coordonner l'activité de machines indépendantes ?

[Olivier]

Bonjour,

J'ai plusieurs machines chez des clients, qui produisent des services
réseaux que je souhaiterai à terme pouvoir secourir en mode dégradé par une
autre machine dans mes propres locaux.

Les machines chez mes clients ne peuvent pas communiquer directement avec
celle(s) que je destine au secours mais j'ai une machine tierce joignable
par tous.

L'architecture serait donc:

P1 - Centre ---S1
  |   |
P2 -|   |
  |
P3--|

avec:
P1, P2, P3 les machines de production
Centre   la machine qui communique avec les autres
S1la machine de secours

Je recherche un moyen pour que:
- la machine au Centre puisse détecter (pas trop bêtement si possible) que
la P1 est partie en sucette et informer la machine S1 qu'elle peut prendre
le relais,
- la machine P1 puisse signaler au Centre qu'elle est à nouveau d'attaque
afin S1 retourne dans son état de veille

J'ai découvert très brièvement consul.io qui a l'air, de loin, de coller à
ce que je recherche.

Je serai très curieux d'avoir des suggestions avant d'approfondir le sujet.

Slts

Re: open-iscsi & multipath-tools

[BASSAGET Cédric]

Hello Christian,
I'm unable to reproduce for about 1 hour... Now, everyhting works fine
after a reboot, but... the only thing I've done is to remove the vg / pv i
created on multipath device... weird.

Regards,
Cédric

2016-04-22 15:17 GMT+02:00 Christian Seiler :

> Package: open-iscsi
> Version: 2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-8+deb8u1
> Severity: normal
> Owner: !
> Tags: jessie moreinfo
>
> Hi there,
>
> FYI: I'm co-maintainer of open-iscsi in Debian, but not
> multipath-tools. CC'ing the bugtracker, assigning to open-iscsi for
> now, will reassign to multipath-tools later if necessary.
>
> Am 2016-04-22 14:45, schrieb Cédric Bassaget:
>
>> After a reboot, iscsi targets are OK, but multipath does not show any
>> volume. I have to restart it by hand to bring the multipath volume up.
>>
>
> Gah. During the freeze of Jessie I encountered some bugs related to the
> boot process and I thought we had fixed them all before Jessie was
> released. Obviously not... :-(
>
> I guess it's because on system startup, multipath-tools is launched
>> befors open-iscsi. open-iscsi seems to be systemd compliant, but not
>> multipath-tools.
>>
>
> For current versions (starting with Jessie) of multipath-tools, this
> is correct, as the daemon is supposed to be started and then pick up
> all of the devices as they appear dynamically.
>
> OTOH, what you're seeing in dmesg is just the modules that are loaded,
> which might be due to /etc/modules, /etc/modprobe.d or similar, so
> they don't necessarily indicate which is started before.
>
> root@virtm6:/etc# find rc?.d -name 'S*multipath-tools'
>> rc2.d/S02multipath-tools
>> rc3.d/S02multipath-tools
>> rc4.d/S02multipath-tools
>> rc5.d/S02multipath-tools
>>
>
> multipath-tools is still late-boot? That seems wrong to me. May be part
> of the problem you're seeing.
>
> Could you give me the output of the following on your system?
>
> systemctl show -p Before,After,WantedBy,Wants,RequiredBy,Requires
> multipath-tools.service
> systemctl show -p Before,After,WantedBy,Wants,RequiredBy,Requires
> open-iscsi.service
>
> Also, what does the following command tell you? (After booting, when
> the problem appears, but before restarting multipath to fix it.)
>
> journalctl -u open-iscsi.service -u multipath-tools.service
>
> What would be the best way to fox this problem ?
>>
>
> Well, there's probably still some bug in the integration between
> open-iscsi and multipath-tools. The output of the commands I requested
> will help me narrow down the problem, which will then hopefully give
> me enough information to tell you how to fix it on your local system,
> and hopefully this can be fixed in 8.5.
>
> Regards,
> Christian
>
>

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Nicolas George]

Le quartidi 4 floréal, an CCXXIV, The Wanderer a écrit :
> I'm not sure this would actually manifest the way you're describing it -
> but I'm not positive it wouldn't, either, and I don't care to invest the
> brainpower in working it out for certain right now.

Actually, it is even worse than I suggested: mails can be CC to other people
than the list. These people would see the message-id chosen by the MUA, but
when someone on the list replies, the in-reply-to would be the message-id
chosen by the list.

> For threading, you're probably right. For message uniqueness for its
> duplicate filtering, however, the Subject obviously isn't enough to go
> on - and I strongly suspect that Message-ID is the key.

I strongly suspect it is much more complicated than that. It always is with
google.

> Nope - or if so, it's either a new-these-last-few-years development, or
> for some reason specific to just IMAP. I access my sole Gmail account
> via POP3, and the "duplicate" messages don't come through there either -
> or at least they didn't back in 2009, I don't often send mail through
> that account (for this very reason).

Do the POP access show you all mails, including sent, spam, etc.? I suspect
by default it only shows you the so-called inbox.


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Re: Aternativa de Zapya para Debian

[Camaleón]

El Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:28:49 -0400, luis escribió:

> Buenas a todos

Ese formato, Luis...
> 
> En Android y Windows tenemoms Zapya, mi pregunta cual es la alternativa
> para Linux Debian ???
> 
> Alguna idea ???

¿Te refieres a esto?

http://www.izapya.com/

Permite compartir archivos entre distintos aparatos pero a parte de la 
sencillez de uso no le veo nada original que no puedas hacer YA con: 
samba, ftp, rsync, webdav, nfs o la infinidad de protocolos de red que 
existen desde hace decenios. 

Me parece que la gente se vuelve *muy* vaga con esto de los smartphones 
>:-)

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Posts don't show on list

[The Wanderer]

On 2016-04-22 at 09:20, Nicolas George wrote:

> Le quartidi 4 floréal, an CCXXIV, The Wanderer a écrit :
>> If the list software did this modification for _all_ messages, not
>> just ones from Gmail addresses, I don't see how it would break
>> threading
> 
> It breaks it for the *senders*: they would have the message in their
> "sent" archive with the message-id chosen by the MUA and the rest of
> the thread connected to the message (in-reply-to and references) with
> a different message-id.

I'm not sure this would actually manifest the way you're describing it -
but I'm not positive it wouldn't, either, and I don't care to invest the
brainpower in working it out for certain right now.

>> Interesting. Do you have any evidence for the idea that it uses
>> more than just Message-ID? I can't prove that it doesn't, but I've
>> never seen anything that I recall to indicate that it does.
> 
> A long time ago, I experimented with in-reply-to and references in
> order to see how gmail decided if a mail belongs in a thread, and my
> conclusion was that it relied more on the subject field than anything
> else. It was a long time ago.

For threading, you're probably right. For message uniqueness for its
duplicate filtering, however, the Subject obviously isn't enough to go
on - and I strongly suspect that Message-ID is the key.

>> For myself, one major reason (not the only one) is that the
>> received copy is often different from the sent copy - modified
>> message headers (e.g. by adding List-ID), added mailing-list
>> footer, et cetera.
> 
> True. A gamil users could check to see if it is possible to obtain
> that information. I suspect the misfeature belongs in gmail's web
> interface, actually, and the mails are really present in the archive
> and accessible through IMAP.

Nope - or if so, it's either a new-these-last-few-years development, or
for some reason specific to just IMAP. I access my sole Gmail account
via POP3, and the "duplicate" messages don't come through there either -
or at least they didn't back in 2009, I don't often send mail through
that account (for this very reason).

I think this really is an "optimization" on Google's end, to save on
storage space since they can already show the "same" message in the
right place thanks to their Web interface's fancy search wrangling.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: Consejos. Pido. TNX.

[Camaleón]

El Fri, 22 Apr 2016 01:12:01 +0200, Teletrom escribió:

> Gracias. Creo que ya habia mirado todos, y al fin me he decidido por el
> slimbook. Ya me gustaba, y me faltó el empuje final. un i5 8 de ram ssd
> 250 sin sistema operativo. Caerá Debian con seguridad, aunque lo
> trastearé antes de la instalación final. Saludo a todos. Volveré con mis
> dudas. Es amenaza;) Os leo mientras...

Por un momento pensé que te referías a un Mac... ¡qué susto! :-)

No tienen mala pinta, además, sólo por apoyar a la empresa ya merece la 
pena. Lo único que no me termina de convencer es el tamaño de la pantalla 
y que no tenga unidad óptica pero entiendo que ambas cosas van parejas a 
lo que se entiende por un equipo "ultraslim".

La gráfica te dará guerra (quizá un kernel más reciente) pero al menos no 
es un sistema híbrido y es un puntazo poder elegir la pantalla en acabado 
mate.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: chroot setup problem

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 09:36:57AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:36:36AM +0100, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> 
> > >   # LANG=C.UTF8 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
> > >   /usr/sbin/chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or  
> > > directory 
> > > 
> > > /usr/bin/chroot exists. So does /mnt/debinst. So does /bin/bash.
> > 
> > /bin/bash is irrelevant in this context - the filename will be looked
> > up _inside_ the chroot, so you need to check that
> > /mnt/debinst/bin/bash exists (and the shared libraries it uses...)
> > 
> > Hope this helps
> > Karl
> 
> As for existence of /bin/bash in reference to new chroot:
> 
>   $ ls -la /mnt/debinst/bin | grep bash
>   -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   941252 Apr 22 06:22 bash
> 
> As for libraries, bash needs these:
> 
>   $ ldd /bin/bash
> linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xb773e000)
> libtinfo.so.5 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 (0xb7702000)
> libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb76fe000)
> libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7599000)
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb773f000)
> 
> So I create directories and copy libraries to them. I didn't understand
> the first line and apparently there is no linux-gate.so.1 on my
> system. Other than it, I now have:
> 
>   $ ls /mnt/debinst/lib
>   i386-linux-gnu ld-linux.so.2
> 
>   $ ls /mnt/debinst/lib/i386*
>   i686 libtinfo.so.6
> 
>   $ ls -la /mnt/debinst/lib/i386*/i686/cmov
>   ...
>   -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1446056 Apr 22 08:47 libc.so.6
>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root9844 Apr 22 08:49 libdl.so.2
> 
> Now chroot command has better luck:
> 
>   # LANG=C.UTF-8 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/debinst/
>   bash-4.2#
>   
> I guess copying over the libraries was the answer. However, my chroot
> prompt used to appear as: root@hostname:/#, so I'm not sure I'm in
> chroot. 

Easy: if you can't see the "rest of the world" (that is the things you
haven't copied over/bind-mounted etc.) then you most probably are :-)

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Re: Bug en utileria ifupdown 0.7.50 instalar la version 0.7.51

[Camaleón]

El Thu, 21 Apr 2016 17:49:10 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:

> 2016-04-20 10:26 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :

(...)

>>> (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) --> Process: 412 ExecStart=/sbin/ifup
>>> -a --read-enviroment (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
>>>
>>> algo que me puedan orientar?
>>
>> No veo nada raro. Prueba a darle verbosidad al comando que ejecutas
>> para iniciar la red:
>>
>> ifup --verbose wlp4s0
>>
>> Y luego revisa (manda a la lista) el /var/log/syslog, la parte que
>> interesa, claro.
> 
> Y no puedo hacerlo, lo resolvi a base "bonga monga" y martillazos...
> al estilo del Capitan Cavernicola.

Y por "bonga monga" te refieres ¿a qué, exactamente? Capaz de haber 
reinstalado el sistema :-P

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: FreeNAS con Debian

[Camaleón]

El Thu, 21 Apr 2016 22:05:47 +0200, Josu Lazkano escribió:

> Muchas gracias por vuetras respuestas.
> 
> En un principio pense en montar Debian con RAID 1 y exportat por NFS,
> pero veo que FreeNAS tiene una interfaz web muy bonita y ademas tiene
> una buena comunidad.

Todo muy cuco, sí. 

El problema de esos sistemas pre-montados y pre-configurados surge cuando 
quieres hacer algo que no viene de serie, entonces te las ves y te las 
deseas para mirarle las tripas e intentar no romper nada. Por eso me tira 
más la opción de montar Debian, poner algún entorno mínimo mono y si 
tengo que mirarle las tripas sé que no se va a quejar:sé que puedo 
realizar una operación a corazón abierto y el paciente saldrá sano y 
salvo del quirófano O:-)

> Creo que me decantare por FreeNAS, os mantengo informados.

No te olvides de openmediavault y openfiler.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: chroot setup problem

[Haines Brown]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:36:36AM +0100, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:

> >   # LANG=C.UTF8 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
> >   /usr/sbin/chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or  
> > directory 
> > 
> > /usr/bin/chroot exists. So does /mnt/debinst. So does /bin/bash.
> 
> /bin/bash is irrelevant in this context - the filename will be looked
> up _inside_ the chroot, so you need to check that
> /mnt/debinst/bin/bash exists (and the shared libraries it uses...)
> 
> Hope this helps
> Karl

As for existence of /bin/bash in reference to new chroot:

  $ ls -la /mnt/debinst/bin | grep bash
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   941252 Apr 22 06:22 bash

As for libraries, bash needs these:

  $ ldd /bin/bash
linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xb773e000)
libtinfo.so.5 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 (0xb7702000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb76fe000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7599000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb773f000)

So I create directories and copy libraries to them. I didn't understand
the first line and apparently there is no linux-gate.so.1 on my
system. Other than it, I now have:

  $ ls /mnt/debinst/lib
  i386-linux-gnu ld-linux.so.2

  $ ls /mnt/debinst/lib/i386*
  i686 libtinfo.so.6

  $ ls -la /mnt/debinst/lib/i386*/i686/cmov
  ...
  -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1446056 Apr 22 08:47 libc.so.6
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root9844 Apr 22 08:49 libdl.so.2

Now chroot command has better luck:

  # LANG=C.UTF-8 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/debinst/
  bash-4.2#
  
I guess copying over the libraries was the answer. However, my chroot
prompt used to appear as: root@hostname:/#, so I'm not sure I'm in
chroot. 

Haines

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Nicolas George]

Le quartidi 4 floréal, an CCXXIV, The Wanderer a écrit :
> If the list software did this modification for _all_ messages, not just
> ones from Gmail addresses, I don't see how it would break threading

It breaks it for the *senders*: they would have the message in their "sent"
archive with the message-id chosen by the MUA and the rest of the thread
connected to the message (in-reply-to and references) with a different
message-id.

> Interesting. Do you have any evidence for the idea that it uses more
> than just Message-ID? I can't prove that it doesn't, but I've never seen
> anything that I recall to indicate that it does.

A long time ago, I experimented with in-reply-to and references in order to
see how gmail decided if a mail belongs in a thread, and my conclusion was
that it relied more on the subject field than anything else. It was a long
time ago.

> For myself, one major reason (not the only one) is that the received
> copy is often different from the sent copy - modified message headers
> (e.g. by adding List-ID), added mailing-list footer, et cetera.

True. A gamil users could check to see if it is possible to obtain that
information. I suspect the misfeature belongs in gmail's web interface,
actually, and the mails are really present in the archive and accessible
through IMAP.


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Re: open-iscsi & multipath-tools

[Christian Seiler]

Package: open-iscsi
Version: 2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-8+deb8u1
Severity: normal
Owner: !
Tags: jessie moreinfo

Hi there,

FYI: I'm co-maintainer of open-iscsi in Debian, but not
multipath-tools. CC'ing the bugtracker, assigning to open-iscsi for
now, will reassign to multipath-tools later if necessary.

Am 2016-04-22 14:45, schrieb Cédric Bassaget:

After a reboot, iscsi targets are OK, but multipath does not show any
volume. I have to restart it by hand to bring the multipath volume up.


Gah. During the freeze of Jessie I encountered some bugs related to the
boot process and I thought we had fixed them all before Jessie was
released. Obviously not... :-(


I guess it's because on system startup, multipath-tools is launched
befors open-iscsi. open-iscsi seems to be systemd compliant, but not
multipath-tools.


For current versions (starting with Jessie) of multipath-tools, this
is correct, as the daemon is supposed to be started and then pick up
all of the devices as they appear dynamically.

OTOH, what you're seeing in dmesg is just the modules that are loaded,
which might be due to /etc/modules, /etc/modprobe.d or similar, so
they don't necessarily indicate which is started before.


root@virtm6:/etc# find rc?.d -name 'S*multipath-tools'
rc2.d/S02multipath-tools
rc3.d/S02multipath-tools
rc4.d/S02multipath-tools
rc5.d/S02multipath-tools


multipath-tools is still late-boot? That seems wrong to me. May be part
of the problem you're seeing.

Could you give me the output of the following on your system?

systemctl show -p Before,After,WantedBy,Wants,RequiredBy,Requires 
multipath-tools.service
systemctl show -p Before,After,WantedBy,Wants,RequiredBy,Requires 
open-iscsi.service


Also, what does the following command tell you? (After booting, when
the problem appears, but before restarting multipath to fix it.)

journalctl -u open-iscsi.service -u multipath-tools.service


What would be the best way to fox this problem ?


Well, there's probably still some bug in the integration between
open-iscsi and multipath-tools. The output of the commands I requested
will help me narrow down the problem, which will then hopefully give
me enough information to tell you how to fix it on your local system,
and hopefully this can be fixed in 8.5.

Regards,
Christian

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Mimiko]

On 22.04.2016 09:46, Tixy wrote:

It's because you use gmail and that has a 'feature' which you can't turn
off that deliberately hides your own messages.


On 22.04.2016 09:55, Brad Rogers wrote:
> Like I said to Michael; gmail.
>
> I find it surprising, to say the least, that, even after all this time,
> some people still do not know that gmail does not return list posts to
> the writer.

I know about this. Its just a minor annoyance. I could just enter lists 
site and see if it is there or not. I don't send a duplicate if message 
is on list.


On 22.04.2016 11:59, Gene Heskett wrote:
> What you Mimiko, should be doing is using your own ISP's mail server,
> which on this mailing list I am, by setting up your own email agent.
> There are quite a few available for linux.

I don't want to use my ISP's mail account. Its limited. It can be 
blocked. I can switch to another ISP.


I could setup a mail server, but why should I bother to set it up on my 
linux-like router, or on my windows desktop...



This google's "functionality" is a minor problem.

Re: Posts don't show on list

[The Wanderer]

On 2016-04-22 at 08:20, Nicolas George wrote:

> Le quartidi 4 floréal, an CCXXIV, The Wanderer a écrit :
> 
>> This means that the mailing-list software _could_ technically work 
>> around this behavior by modifying the Message-ID of the received
>> message before it sends that message out to list members.
>> 
>> That strikes me as a dreadful idea from a design perspective,
>> however, even just on basic principle
> 
> Well, breaking things for everybody (including gmail users, since
> that would separate the sent mail from the resulting thread) just in
> order to fix a minor annoyance for some users. I think "dreadful"
> does not just cover it.

If the list software did this modification for _all_ messages, not just
ones from Gmail addresses, I don't see how it would break threading; all
received messages would be modified suitably (assuming you munged the
References and In-Reply-To and similar headers to match), all recipients
would see a consistent data set, and their clients could work with the
result normally.

That doesn't make it any less dreadful, however.

> And it would probably not work anyways since gmail tries to be
> smarter than using the message-id to identify mails and threads. As
> expected that results in it being stupid.

Interesting. Do you have any evidence for the idea that it uses more
than just Message-ID? I can't prove that it doesn't, but I've never seen
anything that I recall to indicate that it does.

> And after all, gmail users, you just wrote the mail, why would you
> need it to appear as new, except for checking it arrived?

For myself, one major reason (not the only one) is that the received
copy is often different from the sent copy - modified message headers
(e.g. by adding List-ID), added mailing-list footer, et cetera. (The
fact that Gmail treats messages with these differences as identical is
part of why I think they rely on Message-ID for their differentiation.)

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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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open-iscsi & multipath-tools

[Cédric Bassaget]

Hello,
I'm facing a problem with multipath & iscsi on debian 8.4 (up to date).
I've installed multipath-tools and open-iscsi.

iscsi works fine, and if I run systemctl restart multipath-tools, multipath
-ll show the multipath volume. Everything is ok.

After a reboot, iscsi targets are OK, but multipath does not show any
volume. I have to restart it by hand to bring the multipath volume up.

I guess it's because on system startup, multipath-tools is launched befors
open-iscsi. open-iscsi seems to be systemd compliant, but not
multipath-tools.

in dmesg :
...
[   35.673974] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.10.0 loaded
[   35.703844] device-mapper: multipath round-robin: version 1.0.0 loaded
...
[   37.591062] Loading iSCSI transport class v2.0-870.
[   37.622424] iscsi: registered transport (tcp)
[   37.700250] iscsi: registered transport (iser)
...


in /etc/rc?.d, I have :

root@virtm6:/etc# find rc?.d -name 'S*open-iscsi'
rcS.d/S20open-iscsi

root@virtm6:/etc# find rc?.d -name 'S*multipath-tools'
rc2.d/S02multipath-tools
rc3.d/S02multipath-tools
rc4.d/S02multipath-tools
rc5.d/S02multipath-tools


What would be the best way to fox this problem ?

Regards,
Cédric

Re: Posts don't show on list

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 08:26:33AM -0400, Harris Paltrowitz wrote:

[...]

> Okay, if this is some convoluted thing that Gmail does, then sure, I
> couldn't see complicating the Debian server just to overcome this.
> However, I think it would be nice if the Debian Mailing Lists
> homepage would have a simple one-line note alerting people to
> this...  if people actually read the note, it could help them avoid
> the issue as well as cut down on this type of talk here on the list!

OTOH it makes for a nice conversation piece (and an opportunity to
learn collectively things about mail :-)

Perhaps some Googler chimes in and we learn even more. Who knows.

> As a new Debian user there are additional items I would recommend in
> terms of beginner-targeted documentation...  perhaps I'll get
> involved with the documentation team.

That would be... awesome ♥♥♥

regards
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Re: Posts don't show on list

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 08:12:04AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:

[...]

> In this case, what appears to happen is that Gmail assumes that
> Message-ID is unique, and consequently that it only needs to keep one
> copy of a message with any given Message-ID. Since the person sending a
> mail already has one message with that Message-ID (in their Sent
> folder), Gmail sees the incoming mail as a duplicate, and discards it.

Sounds kinda plausible. Any Googler listening who'd care to shed light?
C'mon, folks...

> This means that the mailing-list software _could_ technically work
> around this behavior by modifying the Message-ID of the received message
> before it sends that message out to list members.
> 
> That strikes me as a dreadful idea from a design perspective, however,
> even just on basic principle

A less brutal approach would be to drop (nearly-) dupes coming whithin
a short period of time from googlemail...

> > And... would you want to complicate a server setup just to cater to
> > some client idiosyncracy?
> 
> ...so my answer to this would be "definitely not".

we seem to be in violent agreement here. Just live with the dupes,
for me it's part of the landscape already (oh, lookee, a gmail!).

[...]

> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

But doesn't that contradict the above?

(cool quote, btw).

regards
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Re: Posts don't show on list

[Nicolas George]

Le quartidi 4 floréal, an CCXXIV, The Wanderer a écrit :
> This means that the mailing-list software _could_ technically work
> around this behavior by modifying the Message-ID of the received message
> before it sends that message out to list members.
> 
> That strikes me as a dreadful idea from a design perspective, however,
> even just on basic principle

Well, breaking things for everybody (including gmail users, since that would
separate the sent mail from the resulting thread) just in order to fix a
minor annoyance for some users. I think "dreadful" does not just cover it.

And it would probably not work anyways since gmail tries to be smarter than
using the message-id to identify mails and threads. As expected that results
in it being stupid.

And after all, gmail users, you just wrote the mail, why would you need it
to appear as new, except for checking it arrived?


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Re: Posts don't show on list

[The Wanderer]

On 2016-04-22 at 07:48, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 07:25:25AM -0400, Harris Paltrowitz wrote:
> 
>> On 04/22/2016 02:55 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

>>> I find it surprising, to say the least, that, even after all this
>>> time, some people still do not know that gmail does not return
>>> list posts to the writer.
>> 
>> I also didn't know this...  I guess I just don't use mailing lists
>> very much these days.
>> 
>> I actually find it surprising that this issue can't be controlled
>> at the Debian list server level.
> 
> If the client refuses to show you a mail, how would you go about to
> solve it at the server level?

In this case, what appears to happen is that Gmail assumes that
Message-ID is unique, and consequently that it only needs to keep one
copy of a message with any given Message-ID. Since the person sending a
mail already has one message with that Message-ID (in their Sent
folder), Gmail sees the incoming mail as a duplicate, and discards it.

This means that the mailing-list software _could_ technically work
around this behavior by modifying the Message-ID of the received message
before it sends that message out to list members.

That strikes me as a dreadful idea from a design perspective, however,
even just on basic principle

> And... would you want to complicate a server setup just to cater to
> some client idiosyncracy?

...so my answer to this would be "definitely not".

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: chroot setup problem

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 4/22/16, Haines Brown  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:04:41AM +, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>
>> Does /mnt/debinst/bin/bash exist?
>>
>> It's looking for /bin/bash in the chrooted environment and not finding
>> it.
>
> I fixed this and:
>
>   $ ls -la /mnt/debinst/bin
>   ...
>   -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   941252 Apr 22 06:22 bash
>
> but still:
>
>   # LANG=C.UTF8 chroot /mnt/debinst /mnt/debinst/bin/bash
>   chroot: failed to run command `/mnt/debinst/bin/bash':
> No such file or directory
>
> Am I misunderstanding the chroot syntax? It seems the object is to run
> /mnt/debinst/bin/bash with its root being /mnt/debinst/.


This is the [syntax] I use:

LANG=C.UTF-8 chroot /mnt/cin /bin/bash

/mnt/cin was my easier to type and remember alternative to /mnt/debinst.

Gets it done for me every time. It was just a twist on what I'd found
on the Net when I first taught myself that part of Debian (for
debootstrap installations). I'd never *thought* about how or why it
was doing what it was doing until reading through this thread...

Are you all saying that it starts looking for /bin/bash AFTER it's
inside the chroot session?

I started to say: "If the answer to that question is yes, then what's
happening with the failed /mnt/debinst/bin/bash is that the
/mnt/debinst path in fact does *not* exist to your target chroot
session once you're inside chroot. That aspect of the process was hard
for my brain to wrap itself around originally after a few years's
worth of experience where anything Linux was able to access anything
else it wanted."

BUT: After thinking yet that much harder on this, maybe there's some
magic command that a fellow user knows that changes that. The
potential for such a command never occurred to me because I had no
driving need for it. I could always complete what was needed by simply
switching between terminals that represented a latest shiny, new
deboostrap install and its old, worn out, "cruft" filled predecessor.

Just now the thought crossed my mind that maybe some chroot sessions
do in fact demand the ability to access the outside World depending on
their purpose along with what's already installed. Since you're
working with /mnt/debinst, I'm a-suming this is potentially a
phenomenally basic deboostrap install attempt because I remember being
instructed to create that same directory for my own original
debootstrap attempts.

Good luck!

Cindy

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Re: Some text meaning is not easy to understand.

[tomas]

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[...]

> Now i just got it, 
> thanks thanks thanks
>  for Doug, Charlie, tomas and Tomas!

Well, thank *you* for translating things into Korean!

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Re: Posts don't show on list

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 07:25:25AM -0400, Harris Paltrowitz wrote:
> 
> On 04/22/2016 02:55 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:57:51 +0300
> >Mimiko  wrote:
> >
> >Hello Mimiko,
> >
> >>I've never seen my own posts nor in this list, nor in other lists
> >Like I said to Michael; gmail.
> >
> >I find it surprising, to say the least, that, even after all this time,
> >some people still do not know that gmail does not return list posts to
> >the writer.
> >
> 
> I also didn't know this...  I guess I just don't use mailing lists
> very much these days.
> 
> I actually find it surprising that this issue can't be controlled at
> the Debian list server level.

If the client refuses to show you a mail, how would you go about to
solve it at the server level? And... would you want to complicate
a server setup just to cater to some client idiosyncracy?

(Note that I don't have any direct experience with gmail, so what
I know is just hearsay, but it explains nicely why folks on gmail
have some tendency to... stutter)

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Re: Posts don't show on list

[Richard Owlett]

On 4/22/2016 4:11 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Friday 22 April 2016 04:43:56 Richard Owlett wrote:


On 4/21/2016 11:49 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:

On 04/21/2016 09:18 PM, Gary Roach wrote:

Actually this time it worked for the first time in a month.
Hopefully the problem has been corrected. Thanks for your
reply. Normally we do get a return copy of our posts


I have participated in several threads on this list and have
asked a few questions on the list.  I never see my own posts, but
as I do see the results on the list, I know that they are getting
through.


That's a frequently reported "feature" of gmail.
Personally I suspect "free" service isn't worth what you pay for it.
I'm very happy using paid ($) mail and news servers :}


Paid?  Mail? Its part of YOUR ISP's responsibility to provide a mail
server.  News servers now, are a different horse entirely, involving a
huge expense just for the incoming news bandwidth which can easily
exceed 100x all the other traffic an ISP handles.  Those I can see as
subscription fee models as that bandwidth is not free.  But mail servers
are part of an ISP's job description, so use them. You have already paid
for them when you pay your monthly bill.

Cheers, Gene Heskett



Depends on your definition of "ISP" 
I haven't had an ISP in the sense you're thinking of for almost a 
year.

I purchase bandwidth (i.e. connectivity) from T-mobile.
I purchase mail related services from my former ISP - they ceased 
providing dialup.


Wikipedia would likely classify them as either:
 1. Access providers ISP


   or
 2. Transit ISP



"Common carrier" seems a more suitable term. Note sure what FCC 
would call it.

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[David Wright]

On Fri 22 Apr 2016 at 14:19:11 (+1000), Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 17/04/2016 3:11 AM, Aero Maxx wrote:
> >> bin/mailwatcher > /dev/null 2>&1 &
> 
> Perhaps better still...
>   bin/mailwatcher >& /dev/null &

... or even

bin/mailwatcher &> /dev/null &

which is generally safer.

> Without specifying STDOUT or STDERR you get both.
> 
> ;-)

Cheers,
David.

Re: chroot setup problem

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 06:57:17AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:04:41AM +, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 at 08:18, Haines Brown  wrote:
> > 
> > I attempt to chroot from /dev/sdb on /dev/sda.
> > 
> >   # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/debinst
> > 
> > I verify it is mounted and then do:
> > 
> >   # LANG=C.UTF8 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
> >   /usr/sbin/chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or
> >     directory
>  
> > Does /mnt/debinst/bin/bash exist?
> > 
> > It's looking for /bin/bash in the chrooted environment and not finding it.
> 
> I fixed this and:
> 
>   $ ls -la /mnt/debinst/bin
>   ...
>   -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   941252 Apr 22 06:22 bash
> 
> but still:
> 
>   # LANG=C.UTF8 chroot /mnt/debinst /mnt/debinst/bin/bash
>   chroot: failed to run command `/mnt/debinst/bin/bash':
> No such file or directory

Once chrooted, the system "sees" /mnt/debinst/bin/bash as /bin/bash.

So in the chroot environment you have to invoke /bin/bash.

Don't forget the libraries. On my system, bash needs:

  tomas@rasputin:~$ ldd /bin/bash
  linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7ffe1ed62000)
  libtinfo.so.5 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 
(0x7fe653e81000)
  libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x7fe653c7d000)
  libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x7fe6538d8000)
  /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x55a841653000)

Bash has to "see" them on the same paths, so you'd need to make them
available (copy, bind-mount, whatever) on /mnt/debinst/lib/...

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Re: chroot setup problem

[Haines Brown]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:04:41AM +, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 at 08:18, Haines Brown  wrote:
> 
> I attempt to chroot from /dev/sdb on /dev/sda.
> 
>   # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/debinst
> 
> I verify it is mounted and then do:
> 
>   # LANG=C.UTF8 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
>   /usr/sbin/chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or
>     directory
 
> Does /mnt/debinst/bin/bash exist?
> 
> It's looking for /bin/bash in the chrooted environment and not finding it.

I fixed this and:

  $ ls -la /mnt/debinst/bin
  ...
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   941252 Apr 22 06:22 bash

but still:

  # LANG=C.UTF8 chroot /mnt/debinst /mnt/debinst/bin/bash
  chroot: failed to run command `/mnt/debinst/bin/bash':
No such file or directory

Am I misunderstanding the chroot syntax? It seems the object is to run 
/mnt/debinst/bin/bash with its root being /mnt/debinst/.

I did this:

  # LANG=C.UTF8 chroot /mnt/debinst
  chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory

  $ ls /bin | grep bash
  bash
  rbash

  $ ls /mnt/debinst/bin | grep bash
  bash

Haines
 



 

Re: chroot setup problem

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:17:14PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> I attempt to chroot from /dev/sdb on /dev/sda. 
> 
>   # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/debinst
> 
> I verify it is mounted and then do:
> 
>   # LANG=C.UTF8 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
>   /usr/sbin/chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or  
> directory 
> 
> /usr/bin/chroot exists. So does /mnt/debinst. So does /bin/bash.

/bin/bash is irrelevant in this context - the filename will be looked
up _inside_ the chroot, so you need to check that
/mnt/debinst/bin/bash exists (and the shared libraries it uses...)

Hope this helps

--
Karl

Re: Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Clive Standbridge]

> > Perhaps better still...
> >   bin/mailwatcher >& /dev/null &
> > 
> I hadn't thought about that particular incantation. It is one of the
> strengths of bash (and some other shells) that there are several
> different incantations that achieve similar or same results. You get
> to speak the dialect you feel most comfortable with!!:-)

You get to write unportable scripts.


-- 
Cheers,
Clive

Ultracopier como administrador de copias en mate-desktop

[Leonardo Yanes]

Siento si no interpretaron mi pregunta amigos listeros. El problema no es
instalar ultracopier. Con un simple apt-install ultracopier basta. El hecho
es, que lo q estoy intentando es que cuando por ejemplo haga Crl+c Crl+v a
un archivo, quiero que sea ultracopier quien se encargue de esa copia. Como
bien me habian dicho lo ideal seria un plugin para Caja. Pero
lamentablemente no existe o hasta donde he podido buscar.

Re: Compra de Portatil per posar-hi una Debian

[Moises]

Genial Narcís!

a algun administrador se li va acudir la brillant idea de què ja no eren
> útils a Canonical
>
En tot cas, me n'alegro que no hagi desaparegut per tothom!

Moltes gràcies​


El dia 22 d’abril de 2016, 10:22, Narcis Garcia  ha
escrit:

> Fa temps des del GiLUG vam estar fent guies sobre diversos portàtils al
> wiki d'Ubuntu, fins que a algun administrador se li va acudir la
> brillant idea de què ja no eren útils a Canonical.
>
> Aquí l'índex:
> http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Ordinadors_portatils
>
> El wiki del GiLUG serveix igualment per posar-hi les guies allà mateix
> (mantingudes i respectades per la comunitat) i hi ha una mena de
> plantilla per anotar totes les observacions sobre un mateix ordinador i
> el procediment d'instal·lació.
>
> Sobre el tema botigues i marques, penso que només són recomanables les
> que ofereixin productes per treballar amb programari completament lliure
> o almenys ben integrat (allò del programa de NVIDIA fa lleig).
>
>
> El 22/04/16 a les 09:48, Moises ha escrit:
> > Moltes gràcies de nou Jordi.
> >
> > Sóc conscient de que parlar de marques i botigues en contexts com aquest
> > pot ser perillós (recordo un grup d'usuaris Vim al LinkedIn que va petar
> > pel bombardeig d'ofertes de feina). Amb tot, penso que és una llàstima
> > que si algú troba una botiga o una marca que treballa bé, no es pugui
> > compartir en comunitat. Així que, per part meva, gràcies per la
> > "propaganda" i per arrencar aquest fil.
> >
> > Si aconsegueixo finalment trobar el portàtil "quasi-perfecte" per les
> > meves necessitats (memòria per executar màquines virtuals, durada >4h de
> > bateria, pes <2.5Kg, robust, pantalla de qualitat (13'' o 14'') però
> > sense necessitat de processar gràfics importants, resposta decent a
> > l'hora de compilar i, és clar, ~100% usable amb Debian), miraré de fer
> > quelcom similar a la teva excel·lent guia.
> >
> > Salut per tot(e)s
> >
> >
> > El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 22:28, Jordi Boixader  > > ha escrit:
> >
> > Hola,
> >
> > Al Josep, al fer la instal·lació des del DVD em va dir que li
> > faltaven aquests paquets (al blog ja hi ha una captura de pantalla),
> > vaig deduir que en el DVD no hi eren. Al acabar la instal·lació i
> > connectat per cable Ethernet ho instal·lar, de fet al fer la
> > instal·lació ja estava també connectat a internet.
> >
> > Al Moises, ja he modificat lo del sistema operatiu:  > "com diuen a la botiga", sense Sistema Operatiu, però si que en
> > porta, un FreeDOS que pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i
> > el firmware d'altres dispositiu...>
> >
> > L'he comprat a la botiga online on he comprat els darrers anys.
> > PCComponentes. volia posar l'enllaç de l'article, però aquest en
> > concret ja no li tenen. Altres MSI si. (i perdoneu per la
> "propaganda".
> >
> > Salut.
> >
> > El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 20:43, Moises  > > ha escrit:
> >
> > Moltíssimes gràcies Jordi! (i Josep, genial l'avís sobre
> > mantenir FreeDOS! Jo també l'hauria eliminat)
> >
> > Comentes:
> >
> > Evidentment anava sense sistema operatiu
> >
> >
> > Per mi no és evident (snif!). On l'has comprat? Segurament se
> > m'ha passat algun dels enllaços dels companys...
> >
> >
> > El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:59, Josep Lladonosa
> > > ha escrit:
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader
> > >:
> >
> > Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que
> > no serviria per gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post.
> > gràcies per comentar-ho.
> >
> > sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava
> > connectat per cable Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè
> > m'ha semblat obvi.
> >
> >
> > Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
> > d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
> > Gràcies per compartir!
> >
> >
> >
> > Salut!
> >
> > El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:09, Josep Lladonosa
> > > ha
> escrit:
> >
> > Hola Jordi
> >
> > 2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader
> > >:
> >
> > Hola de nou,
> >
> > i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu
> > blog a punt de penjar amb l'explicació de la
> > instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que
> > em vaig 

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 22 April 2016 04:43:56 Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 4/21/2016 11:49 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
> > On 04/21/2016 09:18 PM, Gary Roach wrote:
> >> Actually this time it worked for the first time in a month.
> >> Hopefully the problem has been corrected. Thanks for your
> >> reply. Normally we do get a return copy of our posts
> >
> > I have participated in several threads on this list and have
> > asked a few questions on the list.  I never see my own posts, but
> > as I do see the results on the list, I know that they are getting
> > through.
>
> That's a frequently reported "feature" of gmail.
> Personally I suspect "free" service isn't worth what you pay for it.
> I'm very happy using paid ($) mail and news servers :}

Paid?  Mail? Its part of YOUR ISP's responsibility to provide a mail 
server.  News servers now, are a different horse entirely, involving a 
huge expense just for the incoming news bandwidth which can easily 
exceed 100x all the other traffic an ISP handles.  Those I can see as 
subscription fee models as that bandwidth is not free.  But mail servers 
are part of an ISP's job description, so use them. You have already paid 
for them when you pay your monthly bill.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Did your post to debian-user make it?

[Richard Owlett]

For recent posts go to https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/recent .
For posts of last few decades see 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ .
Links to useful (even fascinating) info at 
https://lists.debian.org/ .

Enjoy.

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 22 April 2016 01:57:51 Mimiko wrote:

> On 22.04.2016 07:49, Michael Milliman wrote:
> > On 04/21/2016 09:18 PM, Gary Roach wrote:
> >> Actually this time it worked for the first time in a month.
> >> Hopefully the problem has been corrected. Thanks for your reply.
> >> Normally we do get a return copy of our posts
> >
> > I have participated in several threads on this list and have asked a
> > few questions on the list.  I never see my own posts, but as I do
> > see the results on the list, I know that they are getting through.
>
> I've never seen my own posts nor in this list, nor in other lists.
> This is very bad, as there are questions from me which never been
> asked. And I don't know if this is due to the fact that my post didn't
> get to list, or nobody have an answer.

That is an artifact of using gmail, and its not adjustable, nor open for 
discussion with gmail,  BTDT, didn't buy the t-shirt.

What you Mimiko, should be doing is using your own ISP's mail server, 
which on this mailing list I am, by setting up your own email agent.  
There are quite a few available for linux.

I happened to like the older kmail, but new KDE has of late gone down a 
path I am not pleased with, creating new bugs that aren't fixed in a 
timely manner if ever.  So I switched my desktop environment to trinity, 
which is a fork of KDE at the 3.5 level, so thats available but with 
tons of bugs fixed, or as the development r14.x.x branch about 6 months 
ago, and which is getting trainloads of updates as old kde-3.5 era bugs 
are being fixed.  However, since kmail is a single-threaded progam, I 
have off loaded the mail fetching to fetchmail which scans the 2 servers 
I use evey 3 minutes, which hands incoming mail off to procmail, which 
in turns runs it thru clamscand and spamd to try to separate the 
UCE/Viri out if it can, with what survives that being written 
to /var/spool/mail/me.  Thats all done as a background task which does 
not bother kmail by freezeing it up while this is going on.  Computers 
are good at multitasking so use it, particularly if your processor is 
multicore.

Then the mailwatcher script handles the detection of new mail in that 
directory by noticing the files closing with a session of inotifywait 
watching that directory, which exits back to mailwatcher passing that 
just closed mailfiles name back to mailwatcher. inotifywait is 
immediately relaunched, and a messege is sent to kmail over dbus, to go 
get the new mail from the local mailbox.  The net result of all that 
folderol is kmails fetching the mail freeze is reduced to just a few 
milliseconds while it gets the new mail from there and sorts it to the 
correct kmail folder.

So its all automated, all I have to do is tap the right hand plus key to 
read the next new mail, answer it as I am doing now, and when done a 
ctrl+Enter sends it to the server specified in that folders setup.  I 
have 2 mail servers I can use as I also have a lifetime account at my 
former employers business where I was the Chief Engineer for the last 18 
years of my working life.  Wash, rinse & repeat.  I'm a lazy old fart,  
so I write scripts to simplify things for me.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Aternativa de Zapya para Debian

[Juan José Salvador Piedra]

 

El 2016-04-21 20:28, l...@ida.cu escribió: 

> Buenas a todos 
> 
> En Android y Windows tenemos Zapya, mi pregunta cual es la alternativa para 
> Linux Debian ??? 
> 
> Alguna idea ???

¿Has probado con KDE Connect? Te ofrece posibilidad de compartir
archivos Android-Linux y algunas ventajas extra. 

> https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect 
-- 

Un saludo, 

JUAN JOSÉ SALVADOR PIEDRA 
-

http://juanjosalvador.es 

Re: Ultracopier como Administrador de Copias en Mate Desktop

[Juan José Salvador Piedra]

 

El 2016-04-19 21:38, Leonardo Yanes escribió: 

> Hola listeros, tengo instalado Mate como entorno de escritorio, y quisiera 
> definir Ultracopier como mi gestor de copias por defecto, alguien conoce 
> alguna forma de hacerlo? 
> 
> Muchas gracias de antemano.

No entiendo por qué ha de ser un problema el instalarlo en Mate.
Ultracopier no se ejecuta en el entorno de escritorio, debe ser
independiente a este. 

Y si no, usa crontab como los hombres ;-) 
-- 

Un saludo, 

JUAN JOSÉ SALVADOR PIEDRA 
-

http://juanjosalvador.es 

Re: Posts don't show on list

[Richard Owlett]

On 4/21/2016 11:49 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:



On 04/21/2016 09:18 PM, Gary Roach wrote:

Actually this time it worked for the first time in a month.
Hopefully the problem has been corrected. Thanks for your
reply. Normally we do get a return copy of our posts


I have participated in several threads on this list and have
asked a few questions on the list.  I never see my own posts, but
as I do see the results on the list, I know that they are getting
through.


That's a frequently reported "feature" of gmail.
Personally I suspect "free" service isn't worth what you pay for it.
I'm very happy using paid ($) mail and news servers :}

Re: Compra de Portatil per posar-hi una Debian

[Narcis Garcia]

Fa temps des del GiLUG vam estar fent guies sobre diversos portàtils al
wiki d'Ubuntu, fins que a algun administrador se li va acudir la
brillant idea de què ja no eren útils a Canonical.

Aquí l'índex:
http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Ordinadors_portatils

El wiki del GiLUG serveix igualment per posar-hi les guies allà mateix
(mantingudes i respectades per la comunitat) i hi ha una mena de
plantilla per anotar totes les observacions sobre un mateix ordinador i
el procediment d'instal·lació.

Sobre el tema botigues i marques, penso que només són recomanables les
que ofereixin productes per treballar amb programari completament lliure
o almenys ben integrat (allò del programa de NVIDIA fa lleig).


El 22/04/16 a les 09:48, Moises ha escrit:
> Moltes gràcies de nou Jordi.
> 
> Sóc conscient de que parlar de marques i botigues en contexts com aquest
> pot ser perillós (recordo un grup d'usuaris Vim al LinkedIn que va petar
> pel bombardeig d'ofertes de feina). Amb tot, penso que és una llàstima
> que si algú troba una botiga o una marca que treballa bé, no es pugui
> compartir en comunitat. Així que, per part meva, gràcies per la
> "propaganda" i per arrencar aquest fil.
> 
> Si aconsegueixo finalment trobar el portàtil "quasi-perfecte" per les
> meves necessitats (memòria per executar màquines virtuals, durada >4h de
> bateria, pes <2.5Kg, robust, pantalla de qualitat (13'' o 14'') però
> sense necessitat de processar gràfics importants, resposta decent a
> l'hora de compilar i, és clar, ~100% usable amb Debian), miraré de fer
> quelcom similar a la teva excel·lent guia.
> 
> Salut per tot(e)s
> 
> 
> El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 22:28, Jordi Boixader  > ha escrit:
> 
> Hola,
> 
> Al Josep, al fer la instal·lació des del DVD em va dir que li
> faltaven aquests paquets (al blog ja hi ha una captura de pantalla),
> vaig deduir que en el DVD no hi eren. Al acabar la instal·lació i
> connectat per cable Ethernet ho instal·lar, de fet al fer la
> instal·lació ja estava també connectat a internet.
> 
> Al Moises, ja he modificat lo del sistema operatiu:  "com diuen a la botiga", sense Sistema Operatiu, però si que en
> porta, un FreeDOS que pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i
> el firmware d'altres dispositiu...>
> 
> L'he comprat a la botiga online on he comprat els darrers anys.
> PCComponentes. volia posar l'enllaç de l'article, però aquest en
> concret ja no li tenen. Altres MSI si. (i perdoneu per la "propaganda".
> 
> Salut.
> 
> El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 20:43, Moises  > ha escrit:
> 
> Moltíssimes gràcies Jordi! (i Josep, genial l'avís sobre
> mantenir FreeDOS! Jo també l'hauria eliminat)
> 
> Comentes:
> 
> Evidentment anava sense sistema operatiu
> 
>  
> Per mi no és evident (snif!). On l'has comprat? Segurament se
> m'ha passat algun dels enllaços dels companys...
> 
> 
> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:59, Josep Lladonosa
> > ha escrit:
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader
> >:
> 
> Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que
> no serviria per gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post.
> gràcies per comentar-ho.
> 
> sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava
> connectat per cable Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè
> m'ha semblat obvi. 
> 
> 
> Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
> d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
> Gràcies per compartir!
>  
> 
> 
> Salut!
> 
> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:09, Josep Lladonosa
> > ha escrit:
> 
> Hola Jordi
> 
> 2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader
> >:
> 
> Hola de nou,
> 
> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu
> blog a punt de penjar amb l'explicació de la
> instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que
> em vaig comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia
> previst comentar-vos-ho.
> 
> Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE
> Leopard Pro
> 
> 
> Jo també tinc un MSI amb Debian i perfecte. Molt
> interessant l'article sobre la instal·lació.
> 
> Comentar-te que el FreeDOS pot ser útil per a
> 

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 22 April 2016 00:19:11 Andrew McGlashan wrote:

> On 17/04/2016 3:11 AM, Aero Maxx wrote:
> >> bin/mailwatcher > /dev/null 2>&1 &
>
> Perhaps better still...
>   bin/mailwatcher >& /dev/null &
>
> Without specifying STDOUT or STDERR you get both.
>
> ;-)
>
> AndrewM

I'll try that come next reboot Andrew, which likely won't be until a new 
kernel is made available from the linuxcnc servers. The reversed order
   bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null 2>&1 &
has been working well for several days now.  No unwanted newlines have 
been rx'd by the terminal that started it.

And the third and last of its elseif's was tested yesterday evening when 
a niece up in NYS sent me a message.  It worked correctly.  That was the 
target action. :)

Thank you AndrewM

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Deux sessions anglais / français

[didier gaumet]

Le 21/04/2016 15:46, Raphaël POITEVIN a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> Debian Jessie, bureau Mate.
> 
> Quelle serait la méthode pour avoir une session en anglais et une autre
> en français ?
> 
> Je pars d’une installation base anglais.
> 
> Merci,
> 
> Cordialement,

sous réserve que task-french et task-french-desktop - ainsi que les
éventuelles localisations françaises des programmes que tu utilises -
soient installés (sans quoi il risque de manquer des bouts de français
ici et là), il doit suffire de choisir interactivement la locale dans
lightdm, avant de lancer la session :-)

Re: Some text meaning is not easy to understand.

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:01:38AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Normally, when responding to a mail in a mailing list, the
> > response goes only to the list.
> 
> When responding to a message from a sender who is new to me, i look
> into the mail headers of the original post.
> List subscribers have
> 
>   X-Spam-Status: [...] LDOSUBSCRIBER [...]
> 
> If this tag is missing, then i Cc: the original sender of the message.

Thomas, always as insightful. Thanks for this one, that's a small
gem :-)

> Nevertheless it is more polite to subscribe to a list from which
> you expect help. This way you also learn about other people's problems
> and maybe even can contribute a snippet of a solution.

Usually I do. But it's a burden, and sometimes you just see something
strange in one of the hundreds of packages you use and you just need
some confirmation before you file a bug report. That's why I'm
infinitely thankful for open lists (and for people taking this extra
burden). I try to pay back as well as I can in kind.

thanks, and may your day be nicer than mine :)

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Re: Some text meaning is not easy to understand.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Normally, when responding to a mail in a mailing list, the
> response goes only to the list.

When responding to a message from a sender who is new to me, i look
into the mail headers of the original post.
List subscribers have

  X-Spam-Status: [...] LDOSUBSCRIBER [...]

If this tag is missing, then i Cc: the original sender of the message.

Nevertheless it is more polite to subscribe to a list from which
you expect help. This way you also learn about other people's problems
and maybe even can contribute a snippet of a solution.


Have anice day :)

Thomas

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Moises]

Moltes gràcies de nou Jordi.

Sóc conscient de que parlar de marques i botigues en contexts com aquest
pot ser perillós (recordo un grup d'usuaris Vim al LinkedIn que va petar
pel bombardeig d'ofertes de feina). Amb tot, penso que és una llàstima que
si algú troba una botiga o una marca que treballa bé, no es pugui compartir
en comunitat. Així que, per part meva, gràcies per la "propaganda" i per
arrencar aquest fil.

Si aconsegueixo finalment trobar el portàtil "quasi-perfecte" per les meves
necessitats (memòria per executar màquines virtuals, durada >4h de bateria,
pes <2.5Kg, robust, pantalla de qualitat (13'' o 14'') però sense
necessitat de processar gràfics importants, resposta decent a l'hora de
compilar i, és clar, ~100% usable amb Debian), miraré de fer quelcom
similar a la teva excel·lent guia.

Salut per tot(e)s


El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 22:28, Jordi Boixader  ha
escrit:

> Hola,
>
> Al Josep, al fer la instal·lació des del DVD em va dir que li faltaven
> aquests paquets (al blog ja hi ha una captura de pantalla), vaig deduir que
> en el DVD no hi eren. Al acabar la instal·lació i connectat per cable
> Ethernet ho instal·lar, de fet al fer la instal·lació ja estava també
> connectat a internet.
>
> Al Moises, ja he modificat lo del sistema operatiu:  diuen a la botiga", sense Sistema Operatiu, però si que en porta, un
> FreeDOS que pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i el firmware
> d'altres dispositiu...>
>
> L'he comprat a la botiga online on he comprat els darrers anys.
> PCComponentes. volia posar l'enllaç de l'article, però aquest en concret ja
> no li tenen. Altres MSI si. (i perdoneu per la "propaganda".
>
> Salut.
>
> El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 20:43, Moises  ha
> escrit:
>
>> Moltíssimes gràcies Jordi! (i Josep, genial l'avís sobre mantenir
>> FreeDOS! Jo també l'hauria eliminat)
>>
>> Comentes:
>>
>>> Evidentment anava sense sistema operatiu
>>>
>>
>> Per mi no és evident (snif!). On l'has comprat? Segurament se m'ha passat
>> algun dels enllaços dels companys...
>>
>>
>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:59, Josep Lladonosa 
>> ha escrit:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader :
>>>
 Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que no serviria
 per gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post. gràcies per comentar-ho.

 sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava connectat per cable
 Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè m'ha semblat obvi.

>>>
>>> Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
>>> d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
>>> Gràcies per compartir!
>>>
>>>

 Salut!

 El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:09, Josep Lladonosa 
 ha escrit:

> Hola Jordi
>
> 2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader :
>
>> Hola de nou,
>>
>> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu blog a punt de penjar
>> amb l'explicació de la instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que em
>> vaig comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia previst comentar-vos-ho.
>>
>> Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro
>>
>
> Jo també tinc un MSI amb Debian i perfecte. Molt interessant l'article
> sobre la instal·lació.
>
> Comentar-te que el FreeDOS pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS
> i el firmware d'altres dispositius.
>
> Un dubte: per afegir el firmware iwlwifi per a la targeta wifi devies
> estar connectat per mitjà d'Ethernet, amb fils... ;-)
>
> Salutacions,
> Josep
>
>
>> i aquí teniu l'entrada al meu post, perdoneu si no he explicat prou
>> bé la instal·lació... però sóc novell en Debian:
>>
>>
>> http://jordi.boixader.com/instalar-gnulinux-debian-8-jessie-a-portatil-msi-gp62-2qe-leopard-pro/
>>
>> Gràcies per totes les propostes, consells, i recomanacions... al
>> final sempre costa triar...
>>
>> Salut.
>>
>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 12:22, Moises 
>> ha escrit:
>>
>>> Jordi, podries compartir per quin et vas decidir finalment? Gràcies
>>> per avançat
>>>
>>>
>>> El dia 5 de març de 2016, 23:10, Jordi Boixader 
>>> ha escrit:
>>>
 Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!

 ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!

 Molt agraït a tots!!

 Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!

 El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa <
 jllad...@gmail.com> ha escrit:

>
> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" 
> wrote:
> >
> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
> > Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan
> servir
> > 

Re: Posts don't show on list

[tomas]

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 07:55:59AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:57:51 +0300
> Mimiko  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mimiko,
> 
> >I've never seen my own posts nor in this list, nor in other lists
> 
> Like I said to Michael; gmail.
> 
> I find it surprising, to say the least, that, even after all this time,
> some people still do not know that gmail does not return list posts to
> the writer.

Very funny (for some value of funny) is when gmail users repeat themselves
repeat themselves because they think the message didn't go through first
time.

Somehow Google should pay for the bandwidth they wasted by unleashing
this "feature" on humankind.

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Re: Some text meaning is not easy to understand.

[tomas]

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On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 07:36:24PM -0500, Doug wrote:
> 
> On 04/21/2016 06:20 PM, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I am doing now a web pagere re-write into Korean. I get some trouble. Help 
> >me to understand, please.
> >
> >"If you send messages to lists to which you are not subscribed, always note 
> >that fact in the body of your message."
> >
> >As above, what is meaning? Is that technical issue? I did fail to get 
> >understand.
> >
> >Source:
> >/code-of-cunduct@MailingLists
> I think in most cases, if you send a message to a list to which you
> are not subscribed, it will be ignored. It _might_ produce a reply
> to the sender stating that he is not subscribed, but
> more probably will not produce any response at all. (You can test
> this for yourself.)

No. Actually in the case of the Debian lists, Charlie got it right:

Non-subscribers are welcome to post to Debian mailing lists
and are treated (as far as I can see) the same way as subscribers.

Normally, when responding to a mail in a mailing list, the
response goes only to the list. If you are not subscribed,
you won't see that response. So in this case, it makes sense
to say "hey, I'm not subscribed, so please send me a copy
(that is: cc me)"

hth
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Re: Posts don't show on list

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:57:51 +0300
Mimiko  wrote:

Hello Mimiko,

>I've never seen my own posts nor in this list, nor in other lists

Like I said to Michael; gmail.

I find it surprising, to say the least, that, even after all this time,
some people still do not know that gmail does not return list posts to
the writer.

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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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Re: Posts don't show on list

[Tixy]

On Fri, 2016-04-22 at 08:57 +0300, Mimiko wrote:

> I've never seen my own posts nor in this list, nor in other lists. This 
> is very bad, as there are questions from me which never been asked. And 
> I don't know if this is due to the fact that my post didn't get to list, 
> or nobody have an answer.

It's because you use gmail and that has a 'feature' which you can't turn
off that deliberately hides your own messages.

-- 
Tixy

Re: exim4 - tls errors [SOLVED]

[Kamil Jońca]

kjo...@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) writes:

some background 
1. with exim 4.87 tls_advertise_hosts defaults to *.
2. also MAIN_TLS_ADVERTISE_HOSTS (main/03_exim4-config_tlsoptions)
3. to get rid this message (excet to create certificate)
tls_advertise_hosts should be _empty_.

so set
--8<---cut here---start->8---
MAIN_TLS_ADVERTISE_HOSTS= ""
--8<---cut here---end--->8---
works.

Yes, I should read exim documentation earlier. :)

KJ

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