Re: xserver-xfree86 and GeForce 2 MX 400
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Joshua Lee wrote: On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:01:49PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: The problem is, all I've found so far on the web is info suggesting that the natural resolution for this card is 2048 x 1536 @ 75 Hz. What I need is a way to translate this information into refresh rates. The screen is a Plug and Play Truecolor Monitor with 800 x 600 resolution. We need more information than that, a brand name and model number would help. Also, are you sure you don't want to get a new monitor? Monitors with higher resolution than 800x600, are available for real cheap now, and they would come with manuals and/or have online information for you to determine safe scan rates. This is a Profile, sort of a folded laptop, that is an all in one machine. I don't have any choice about the monitor or the graphics card, and the information I provided is all I have. I would love a better source of info. Gateway (the vendor) provides none. XP provided most of the info I have. The kernel provides the following in /proc/pci: VGA compatible controller: NVidia Unknown device (rev 178). Vendor id=10de. Device id=110. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latenc I have been unable to find an NVidia site that does anything but sales. Aside from some good info sites, it would be great if someone else has had some experience with this graphics hardware and could talk about that some... Obviously, the information I'm missing is the correct values for Horizontal and Vertical refresh rates. These have always been easy to obtain from a CRT monitor, but I've never seen this level of tecnical detail of LCD's. All pointers appreciated, Dwarf -- No sig available in this venue -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xserver-xfree86 and GeForce 2 MX 400
Finally, after over 7 months, I get my Profile 4 WITH a working DVD drive and I'm having a devil of a time getting an X server working. Turns out that only version 4.2.1 supports the GeForce 2 MX 400 graphics card from NVidia, but I can't get it to configure so the screen is not multiply overlapped (over frequency). I think my problem is that I'm forced to use the Medium config mode because I don't know the Horizontal and Vertical refresh rates for this machine and am forced to choose from the available resolutions. The problem is, all I've found so far on the web is info suggesting that the natural resolution for this card is 2048 x 1536 @ 75 Hz. What I need is a way to translate this information into refresh rates. The screen is a Plug and Play Truecolor Monitor with 800 x 600 resolution. When I plug this into dpkg-reconfigure as the best monitor resolution, I get a running X server, but all the screen modes are either chopped up horizontal bars, or chopped up vertical bars, or screens with blue lines separated by various numbers of black lines, crating various shades of dark blue. My questions are basically: 1. Is there a way to translate resolution into refresh rates? 2. Is there a site where I can expect to find this technical info on a wide variety of cards? 3. Has anyone actually made this hardware work? (How? ;-) Please CC me as I'm not subscribed to this list just now. All contributions welcomed! Thanks in Advance, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of Dwarf's Guide to Debian GNU/Linux _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_- _- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 _- _- Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road _- _- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308_- _-_- _-_-_-_-_- Released under the GNU Free Documentation License _-_-_-_- available at: http://www.polaris.net/~dwarf/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do you use atari800 package?
On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Erik Steffl wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: I'm about ready to release the 1.0.7 version of the atari800 package, and I'd like some feedback from folks who are actually using the package. If you use this package, please take a look at the following issues and let me know how they impact your use: 1. The svgalib version is the only one that works well for me. I avoid svgalib programs Your choice, of course ;-) 2. The curses version seems to not run basic, and has really bad menu handling in the F1 user interface. never used it The new one is pretty broken... 3. The x11 version uses the same color for background as for text on my X setup. I've been told that this may relate to the color depth I'm using, but I haven't been able to make any headway. current one works fine with depth = 24 (I am using it with vnc right now) That fixed it! Thanks! There is still a problem with the x11 version. The keyboard joystick doesn't work, although in basic mode I can type with the other keys. I guess I need to look at the configuration ... again. Thanks for the report, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of Dwarf's Guide to Debian GNU/Linux _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_- _- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 _- _- Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road _- _- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308_- _-_- _-_-_-_-_- Released under the GNU Free Documentation License _-_-_-_- available at: http://www.polaris.net/~dwarf/
Do you use atari800 package?
I'm about ready to release the 1.0.7 version of the atari800 package, and I'd like some feedback from folks who are actually using the package. If you use this package, please take a look at the following issues and let me know how they impact your use: 1. The svgalib version is the only one that works well for me. 2. The curses version seems to not run basic, and has really bad menu handling in the F1 user interface. 3. The x11 version uses the same color for background as for text on my X setup. I've been told that this may relate to the color depth I'm using, but I haven't been able to make any headway. For those who actually use the x11 version I need some feedback about which situations it work in and which it doesn't. The upstream author says it works fine on his machine. Even if you have no problems with the new release, please contact me anyway, so I know how many atari users are out there ;-) I'll be downloading the package in a few minutes, so it should be available in incoming for those in a hurry. Please CC me, as I'm not subscribed to debian-user. Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of Dwarf's Guide to Debian GNU/Linux _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_- _- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 _- _- Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road _- _- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308_- _-_- _-_-_-_-_- Released under the GNU Free Documentation License _-_-_-_- available at: http://www.polaris.net/~dwarf/
Managing Netscape cache and cookies...
I've been having some trouble with netscape connecting to sites that I've connected to before. Mozilla connects with them just fine, and after talking with several webmasters on the sites I've had trouble with, it looks like Netscape is keeping out-of-date cookies. As there are a lot of seemingly interconnected files related to cookies, I'm reticent to simply delete the cookies file. Memory says that there is a menu option that will allow clearing of cache and cookies, but I've been unable to locate this feature. Can someone give me some pointers on how to handle this. Can I simply delete all the files in cache and the cookies file? Please CC me as I'm not currently subscribed to this list. TIA, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of Dwarf's Guide to Debian GNU/Linux _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_- _- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 _- _- Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road _- _- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308_- _-_- _-_-_-_-_- Released under the GNU Free Documentation License _-_-_-_- available at: http://www.polaris.net/~dwarf/
Re: more real runlevels?
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: I would like to run the system without xdm most of the time, but there are times when I need it. Also sometimes I want to switch off network services but still allow local logins. mee too. i must admit, that this is a point, where suse and redhat are better than debian. :'-( Well, how about a bit of reasonableness here guys? One: Debian provides a well integrated set of run levels and provides ways for system administrators to modify the run level behavior to meet specific and particular needs. If you like Red Hat's method better than Debian's that is certainly your choice, but lets be a bit more realistic in our comparisons. Two: The LSB is a good thing. I, personally, am heavily involved in this specification process. But demanding that any distribution follow a work in progress based on the fact that discussions have occurred and a working specification is written does a grave dis-service to both Debian and the LSB. This standard has not yet been release. It would not be prudent to begin following such a moving target at this time. There will be plenty of time for Debian to conform to this standard once it is, indeed, a standard. Until then it is probably better to simply worry over the way that Debian _does_ this and how you deal with the problems it presents. Discussions like this could put the particulars of the proposed standard in better focus for implementation, and could also show up any potential pitfalls in the current proposal. Beyond that, I must say that I am not an expert on these issues and rely on others to explain the ramifications of the various choices, so I would welcome an informed discussion ;-) Luck, Dwarf
Re: Configuring Pine for multiple ISPs
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, David Wright wrote: Is there anything to prevent you running two instances of Pine, one pointing to each ISP's server? If you run two instances of Pine on the same mailbox, one or both get forced into read-only mode, so you can't reply :-( Luck, Dwarf
Re: Configuring Pine for multiple ISPs
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Jason Christensen wrote: Do you know for a fact that the SMTP servers at both your ISPs are configured to NOT relay mail. Perhaps one of the servers will work for both connections. Then I would be upset with my provider, as much of my mail would never be delivered. Most of the net will refuse to propogate mail from a non-secure server. (I've had this experience before) It's not necessarily a good thing as it indicates that one or both of your ISPs are not spam conscious, however it would save you a lot of time and effort. Just a thought. Thanks, Dwarf
Re: Configuring Pine for multiple ISPs
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Jason Christensen wrote: How handy are you with text processing scripting languages (i.e. Perl, awk, etc.)? My thought is that you could create a script that edits your .pinerc file prior to starting pine. The script could look at another file This is last resort as I don't want to have to restart pine every time the link changes. (/etc/resolv.conf maybe) for domain info that was set by your connection software. I know that dhcpcd sets the domain in my resolv.conf. I'm not sure what pppd does as it has been a couple of years since I have used it. It doesn't do anything, to my knowledge. My guess is that it needs to set a domain parameter somewhere, possibly in resolv.conf. You should be able to use that in your script. Well, the domain, plus the server name, are known at startup. The job is to get this information to pine when it wants to send a mail. There may be an easier way to do it. Scripting within Pine perhaps to do exactly what you discuss below. Read an environmental var and to set the SMTP server parameter. Well, the environment variable poses a problem, as I don't know how to have the et script set those variables in all user processes runing pine. For the purposes of a test, I have tried something that I don't expect to work, but... In the configuration screen of Pine, I changed the smtp specification line to read `cat /usr/share/smtp/smtp.conf`. And sure enough, this didn't work ;-) What would really be useful would be some way to indirectly specify the contents of a configuration item in pine (in particular, this configuration item), but that doesn't seem to be possible. It looks like I'm left with hacking the .pinerc file ;-( At the moment it is easier to simply log into the ISP providing the mail server I need at the moment rather than make pine track them. I have an account on my machine for each ISP address and pop the mail to those separate mailboxes. So using pine as dwarf42 gives me a configuration for my EarthLink account, while loging in as dwarf gives a pine that uses the server at TalStar. Whichever account the machine is currently logged into, that user's pine will function correctly while the other one will not. Switching back and forth between the two ISPs, while not difficult is a bit obnoxious. It would be much nicer to have pine track the right server. Is there any kind of simple smtp transfer program that pine could be pointed at on the local machine that could be aware of the correct server to direct the mail to from a config file? Please don't tell me sendmail or qmail or some other gigantic full featured MTA. I guess I could duplicate pine's smtp interface with some added configuration capability...hmmm, wonder how hard it would be to modify pine directly, but the license makes such modification hard to promote... anyway, where would I find the needed time ;-) Thanks for the help, although it looks like I'll have to cope with less than I wished. Luck, Jason On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Dale Scheetz wrote: I just added a second ISP to my resources, and I can seem to manage everything but smtp for pine. In the pine configuration there is a slot to put the smtp server, but I can only use the server provided by the ISP that I am logged into at the time, as neither one allows relays. I can reconfigure every time, but that's pretty obnoxious. I set up my ppp connection with a script called et that takes commands of the form et phone peer (naturally my normal peer is home ;-) This script also moves the proper resolv.conf file into /etc/resolv.con so that the proper search path and name servers are used for each connection. What I would like to do is let this script set some kind of system variable that Pine would recognize as the smtp server name. Can anyone tell me how to get pine to recognize such a variable, or some other possible technique? Thanks, Dwarf -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Configuring Pine for multiple ISPs
I just added a second ISP to my resources, and I can seem to manage everything but smtp for pine. In the pine configuration there is a slot to put the smtp server, but I can only use the server provided by the ISP that I am logged into at the time, as neither one allows relays. I can reconfigure every time, but that's pretty obnoxious. I set up my ppp connection with a script called et that takes commands of the form et phone peer (naturally my normal peer is home ;-) This script also moves the proper resolv.conf file into /etc/resolv.con so that the proper search path and name servers are used for each connection. What I would like to do is let this script set some kind of system variable that Pine would recognize as the smtp server name. Can anyone tell me how to get pine to recognize such a variable, or some other possible technique? Thanks, Dwarf
Re: Bootdisk for ThinkPad
On 9 Dec 1999, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Dale, can you try just booting with the rescue disk at http://www.debian.org/~aph/boot-floppies/2.1.12-19991209/ ? Let me know if this doesn't work... Works just fine! Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- See www.linuxpress.com for more details _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Bootdisk for ThinkPad
My Compaq died last Sunday, so I rented a replacement to take me to the LSP specification meeting this weekend. Well the short version is that it is an IBM ThinkPad, and the Debian 2.1 boot disks will not work. (root.bin gets loaded as does the kernel, but there it hangs without uncompressing the kernel) Can someone point me to a rescue disk for the ThinkPad? I can install Red Hat 6.1 and Caldera 2.3, but not Debian! Please CC me on your reply, as I am not subscribed to debian-user at this time. Thanks, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- See www.linuxpress.com for more details _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: Bootdisk for ThinkPad
On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Heikki Vatiainen wrote: Can someone point me to a rescue disk for the ThinkPad? I can install Red Hat 6.1 and Caldera 2.3, but not Debian! Try the tecra disks, resc1440tecra.bin and resc1440tecra-safe.bin. I am using a ThinkPad 770Z, and I had to use the tecra rescue disk to get it up and running. Thanks, that worked! So the tecra disk is also a zImage rather than a bzImage? (I understood that the problem with this machine was that it could not uncompress a bzImage kernel. Is that correct?) Thanks again, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- See www.linuxpress.com for more details _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: Xlib, or I'm an idiot...again
On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Jor-el wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [ list changed to debian-user since this definitely belongs there ] Dale, You need to read the xauth man page. You probably tried to start the programs in question after su'ing to an id which was not the id used to enter your X session. Right? Right on the nose! I had su'd to root to install the new mozilla package to try it, and hadn't dropped back. I don't think I've had this experience before with root. What happened to my super user capabilities? Now the newly compiled xcircuit can be run from the prompt, and mozilla comes up to the splash screen before it reports a segfault ;-( Neither of the new programs will run from the menu. Is menu broken, or has it just changed and my package and mozilla haven't caught up? Thanks for the pointers, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- See www.linuxpress.com for more details _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Still have X problems, was Re: Compaq Presario 1245 Touchpad , interface problems
Thanks for everyone who supplied information on my problem. The touchpad now works, but I still can't get an XF86Config file that will run the screen in any mode higher than the built-in 320X220 resolution. The strange thing about this, is that XF86Setup seems to be able to get the hardware into a reasonably high resolution mode for its dialog box. Also strange is that XF86Setup also resets the Xserver to VGA16 for the setup, but doesn't set it back to SVGA when it is done. During the setup phase, the server is tested with the information I provided, and seems to come up fine. However, when I try to start the server myself, it will fail completely with Xserver set to VGA16, and insists on giving me 320X220 resolution when I set the Xserver back to SVGA. The closest I have gotten to a good reply came from the owner of a 1255 model. I suspect there is a minor difference between these machines, but I can't figure out what it is. Am I possibly using the wrong server? Thanks in advance, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- See www.linuxpress.com for more details _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Compaq Presario 1245 Touchpad interface problems
I just got the new laptop, and have been quite satisfied with it, except when it comes to X... The primary problem is that I must configure X for a serial mouse, because I don't know what device and port to pick for the touchpad. Am I out of luck, or is there a working choice available in XF86Setup? While I'm at it, does anyone know how to get the graphics card into any other mode but the super low res? I can only see about 10% of the screen, and I can't scroll. Is this also the best I can do? Please CC me, as I am not subscribed to this list. TIA, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- See www.linuxpress.com for more details _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: Compaq Presario 1245 Touchpad interface problems
On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, jesus duran wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Dale Scheetz wrote: I just got the new laptop, and have been quite satisfied with it, except when it comes to X... The primary problem is that I must configure X for a serial mouse, because I don't know what device and port to pick for the touchpad. Am I out of luck, or is there a working choice available in XF86Setup? if its the synaptics touch pad just treat it as a ps/2 mouse and X should treat it fine (i have the pres 1680, so i'm assuming a few things here;)) It _is_ the synaptics toch pad, but I get strange results from gmp. When I configure gmp, and choose ps2 and /dev/psaux, the mouse works during the test period but doesn't work after the configuration exits. Any ideas? While I'm at it, does anyone know how to get the graphics card into any other mode but the super low res? I can only see about 10% of the screen, and I can't scroll. Is this also the best I can do? once again i'm making an assupmtion that your pres has a version of the neomagic video card found in most of the compaq laptop products so here is my config file where i can get as decent a resolution as possible ( i forget the website that had the initial work on it) /proc/pci report the card as Neomagic MagicGraph NM2160 (rev 1) When I use your config file, it hangs with a grey screen. The last line reported by the server is: (--)SVGA: Generic Speedups Selected (flags=0x30) and nothing more occurs. If I stroke the keypad during this phase, I get lots of graphic splatter on the screen (stacked lines of blue, green, and white, with small black separators that move and twitch as I stroke the mouse, so, I guess the mouse works ;-) let me know how it works out Thanks for all the help... Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- See www.linuxpress.com for more details _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: Recommendation for best Linux book
So, its just another name for host? Talk about name polution ;-) On Sun, 2 May 1999, John Galt wrote: Package: dnsutils 1:8.1.2-6 Utilities for querying the DNS This package includes the nslookup, dig, and host programs for querying information from the Domain Name System (DNS). It also includes several short aliases (mx, ns, soa, zone, ) for querying specific information. Looks like it's alredy there On Sat, 1 May 1999, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: copies of my latest efforts. The book is called Linux Volume 1: ac to zcat, the basics acat? What happened to ? :-) -- see shy jo, who was amused to discover last week. Tell me more! What does it do? Where do I find it? Are you going to package it? Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null The Internet must be a medium for it is neither Rare nor Well done! a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]John Galt /a Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: Recommendation for best Linux book
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: copies of my latest efforts. The book is called Linux Volume 1: ac to zcat, the basics acat? What happened to ? :-) -- see shy jo, who was amused to discover last week. Tell me more! What does it do? Where do I find it? Are you going to package it? Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: Recommendation for best Linux book
On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote: David B.Teague wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Cliff Draper wrote: I'm looking for a good intro/intermediate Linux book for a friend. Any recommendations? Is the O'Reilly book any good? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cliff, Linux press has a book that does a lot of what you are asking. It is written by Dale Scheetz, who is a Debian developer. It comes with 4 Debian 2.1 CDs It is much more than just an installation book, it deals with issues that anyone using Linux should be familiar with. The best part: you can down load an electronic copy for free, at www.linuxpress.com. Since the license allows electronic redistribution, it could go into non-free. I wonder why it hasn't been packaged yet. Dale? I'd do it, but it seems silly if the author can but chooses not to. To be honest, it seemed a bit egotistical to me... I would be very happy if someone else packaged it. The whole intention of the license was that the information contained in the book would be freely accessible while protecting the publisher's need to make a profit. As I hold the copyright, I was able to control the license to that degree (yes I could have demanded a totally free license if I didn't have any interest in getting paid, but that's a different problem). I expected that someone would eventually either package it or provide in on another site from www.linuxpress.com, but I was always satisfied that I could point folks to the source of the html. These questions are quite timely, as I just recieved my complimentary copies of my latest efforts. The book is called Linux Volume 1: ac to zcat, the basics, and is over 600 pages packed with general Linux information. This volume focuses on Linux commands of interest to the user and the system administrator. Information useful to developers will be found in volume 2, which I am still trying to finish ;-) Neither of these books are Debian specific, although I verified functionality on a Debian system, and should be useful to anyone using, or interested in, Linux. HTH, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: Drop-in-Debian
On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 09:54:54 -0500, Chuck Stickelman wrote: I've spent way too much time looking for a reference to Drop-in-Debian (or DiD). http://www.linuxpress.com/001002.htm If I'm not mistaken, Drop in Debian is the name of the Debian (derivative) distribution included with The Debian Linux User's Guide Edition 2. Dale? Well, actually it is only delivered in the first edition, although I have been able to get it to work with the 2.0 release, and can provide CDs for those who are interested. The original DiD was created, using a patched kernel, to provide a kernel compilation environment for those who only have a DOS machine, and can not boot the installation kernel. The system provided is very minimal, with only the tools and space needed to build a custom kernel. I have since expanded this to a standard system, and I use it for testing system upgrades from previous releases. I saw something recently that indicated that someone in France (I believe) has taken the concept and implimented it using initrd and the new kernels that recognize the loop device as a valid root file system. I have not been able to make his approach work yet, but that is mostly due to lack of time for working on it. It is more attractive because it does not require a patched kernel, giving more flexibility. Let me know if I can be of any further assistance, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: Awk scripts Debian awk version
I believe you only need to install the gawk package (from the /interpreters section) to get what you want. You will have to repair any explicit references to awk (changing them to gawk), but that should be enough to make the scripts work. I got bit by mawk myself. Also, I believe that mawk/gawk use update alternatives, with the priorities set to prefer mawk over gawk. You can change this preference by changing the symlink (see the docs on update-alternatives). This could allow you to avoid any changes to your scripts. Luck, On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Wayne Topa wrote: I have some small scripts that keep a log file of notes. The searchlog feature uses awk. Now that I have decided to move my operating from the Slackware box that the scripts work in to debian, the scripts no longer work. Doing some research I found that the boxes have different versions of awk/mawk. The slackware system: awk -W version GNU Awk 3.0.3 and debiam Slink awk -W version mawk 1.3.3 Nov 1996. Questions. Rather than load up the newer awk from the tarball at the GNU site, are there, or will there be, an updated awk in the base package of potato? Would moving to the GNU awk affect any debian specific items? Namely deselect, apt-get, dpkg? Should I just bite the bullet, bone up on awk, and fix the damm scripts? Yes I know, I _should_ know awk. Which is the newer/better/most compatiable Awk? Thanks in advance. Wayne -- Unquestionably, there is progress. The average American now pays out twice as much in taxes as he formerly got in wages. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: (1) xcircuit's tutorial. (2) Adding more doc's to packages.
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, shaul wrote: (1) Can a copy of http://bach.ece.jhu.edu/~tim/programs/xcircuit/tutorial.html be added to the xcircuit package ? I can certainly do that. I will also ask Tim if he will include it in the next source release, so I don't have to add it every time. Thanks for the suggestion. (2) There is a lot of info on the authors and others web sites that can help users. Further more, package developers are more aware to this info and its changes. There for, perhaps package developers should be encouraged to add a copy of selected portions of such web sites to their packages ? Encouragement never hurts ;-) On the other hand, many developers, myself included, are not always as aware of the changes to upstream source as some users are, so such information is usually welcome even if it is already known. Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Re: SPI maintains Debian?
On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Nathan E Norman wrote: Seen on COLA Message ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Our work is supported in part by SPI, who maintain the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. ... I thought SPI maintained copyrights and the like for Debian - I was not aware they were involved to the extent implied by this sentence. Is there information available which clearly delineates the relationship between Debian and SPI? (I'm not (too) paranoid, just confused) It is my understanding that SPI agreed to donate $1000 to the GNOME effort. I believe that it is this contribution that supports the above statement. I admit that the reference to Debian being maintained by SPI is a bit confusing, but my reading of the SPI charter (published by Ian J a while back) indicates that all Debian Developers are members of SPI. This may be the reason for the cart before horse statement above. (It could be argued that Debian maintains SPI ;-) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Bug reporting proceedure, was Re: Bug#24066: libc6: rsh segfaults as , a result of new libc 2.0.7r2
On 29 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Rob == Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rob Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I am requesting is that the submitter of a bug take some time, in exchange for the time they expect from the maintainer, and verify that the bug has not been reported already. If it has, it is appropriate to send the maintainer a confirmation that you also experienced the bug and any additional information you can contribute to the solution. This confirmation should be CC'd to the original bug report, for continuity purposes. But creating an additional report is both confusing and administrativly ugly. Rob This should be mandated (I thought it was). Not that I've always been Rob as careful as I should have been, but I've tried to be pretty good. Rob It's extremely helpful (especially for high-traffic-area/critical Rob packages like X and libc) that you not end up with floods of redundant Rob bugs. Umm, no. It would be nice if they did it, but a novce user is perfectly free to just file a bug report. I know I often do. I find an error, usually that by itself is a frustrating experience, also, it is likely to be in the middle of a largish upgrade (I upgrade ever so often). I am not into going over and looking up stuff in the archive for a dozen pacxkages; I just send a report. When you do so, without adequate investigation, you imply that the understanding and repair of the bug is the sole responsibility of the maintianer. I submit, in the free software community, that this is a bogus position. Because of the freedom we provide, the user bears some responsibility in the maintainance of the products they use. I suggest that any bug report that says no more than xxx is broken is a useless report submitted by a lazy user, and, until more information is forthcoming, is not likely to produce results. Make bug reporting any more onerous than it is, and peole merely stop filing reports. What is so onerous about checking to see if the bug has already been reported? As Rob said, it could provide the work around information that is needed to resolve the problem. Suggesting, even strongly, that it is proper proceedure when submitting a bug, to research the bug reporting system first, and provide useful information second, doesn't seem onerous to me, and has several practical uses for the bug submitter, as well as the maintainer. For the most part the maintainer knows the bugs on a package better than anyone else, and the maintainers are fairly well versed in the Bug system; merging bugs is not all that hard. Merging bugs is not that hard, but it also doesn't provide any bookkeeping advantages to the maintainer. The bugs still get reported in the problems report separately. Nags still come separately. This requires that the maintainer keep records of which bugs have been merged. I realize when you inherit a package with a gazillion bugs that is not as easy; but it gets better as you get more familiar with the bugs on your packages. NO, it doesn't. I spent one hole weekend, just after I took over glibc, going over all of the bug reports on that package. I was able to retire 30 bugs (out of 120) that were either fixed, or no longer a problem. During that time period 50 bug reports were submitted against this package. So, after a weekends work I had managed to get behind by an additional 20 bug reports. :-( If you look at the list today, you will see many ancient bug reports on locales and timezones which pre-date glibc. How does one deal with these? I am tempted to close all ancient bug reports on principle, but that certainly violates the spirit, if not the letter of policy. Rob Not only that, but the user might discover a workaround in the bug log Rob that helps them out. This might be the best way to sell the idea : Yes. It is a good idea. It just should not be mandatory. Mandatory is a non-functional term in this group. Nothing is mandatory (even though some would wish it were) in a voluntary organization. I am only suggesting that we make clear that the socially correct way to report a bug involves adequate research on the part of the bug reporter. This requirement provides additional service to the user at the same time that it provides the maintainer with more chance to fix the problem. Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug reporting proceedure, was Re: Bug#24066: libc6: rsh segfaults as , a result of new libc 2.0.7r2
On 30 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dale On 29 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Umm, no. It would be nice if they did it, but a novce user is perfectly free to just file a bug report. I know I often do. I find an error, usually that by itself is a frustrating experience, also, it is likely to be in the middle of a largish upgrade (I upgrade ever so often). I am not into going over and looking up stuff in the archive for a dozen pacxkages; I just send a report. Dale When you do so, without adequate investigation, you imply that Dale the understanding and repair of the bug is the sole Dale responsibility of the maintianer. I submit, in the free Dale software community, that this is a bogus position. Because of Dale the freedom we provide, the user bears some responsibility in Dale the maintainance of the products they use. I suggest that any Dale bug report that says no more than xxx is broken is a useless Dale report submitted by a lazy user, and, until more information is Dale forthcoming, is not likely to produce results. I agree. However; Debiasn is also for novices and newcomers to Linux, and to Debian. They may well not have the skill, or the time, to understand and repair bugs (heck -- most of the time even seasoned veterans don't). Well, I disagree with this point of view. Yes, Debian wishes to support newcomers to Linux. That is why we have debian-user. We have a responsibility to those new users to train them to be free users. They can only do that if they become familiar with the ins and outs of the Debian Way. I am simply suggesting that we should put some additional thought into how we educate these new users to be productive members of the community. I would rather have bugs reports, than none. People are lazy. Mandate more work for a bug report, people won't report bugs. This suggests that I should start forwarding all my bugs to you, until you change your mind ;-) Seriously though, a bug report that says libc6 is broken is not a bug report, as far as I can tell. The only way to get a better class of bug report is to educate a better class of user (and developer). You are thinking from a We are all contributors mind set; which is nice, but we have to address people who are casual users too, I think. And we should address them as potential contributors as well, providing the instructions that will make them better casual users. You have been making the case for why we are all about sofware freedom with reguard to the DFSG thread, what makes this position any different. Educating members of the community, both new and old, on the social responsibilities of the membersion is very much a part of our job. Make bug reporting any more onerous than it is, and peole merely stop filing reports. Dale What is so onerous about checking to see if the bug has Dale already been reported? As Rob said, it could provide the work Dale around information that is needed to resolve the problem. In the middle of an upgrade when one gets 10 bugs, One does not have time to research them. You just report this, this, and that went wrong, this is all the data I have, thought you would like to know. During upgrade or new installation, the problems that occur can be adequately reported as couldn't install xxx because of conflit with YYY without any research being done. However, I would still suggest to you (or anyone reporting such problems) that you will be well served by looking at the BTS for similar bug reports in hopes of finding a work around. The pay off for the user is larger here than for the developer. And I say I like to get reports like that. I may ask for more information, but I do not demand the reporter do anything more. I never said demand anything. I am talking about higher education for users, not binding them to a post in the town square and giving them 20 lashes. BTW, if you don't have enough bug reports, I have some I would gladly lend you ;-) Dale Suggesting, even strongly, that it is proper proceedure when Dale submitting a bug, to research the bug reporting system first, Dale and provide useful information second, doesn't seem onerous to Dale me, and has several practical uses for the bug submitter, as Dale well as the maintainer. Oh, suggestions are fine. Yes. It is a good idea. It just should not be mandatory. Dale Mandatory is a non-functional term in this group. Nothing is Dale mandatory (even though some would wish it were) in a voluntary Dale organization. Also, the users may not be quite as vested in Debian as the developers are, it is even harder to tell them to do stuff. It has vbeen suggested we should be grateful they take time out their busy lives to even report the bug. Well, grateful is not the term I would always use ;-) Dale I am
Re: Bug reporting proceedure, was Re: Bug#24066: libc6: rsh segfaults as , a result of new libc 2.0.7r2
On 30 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dale I never said demand anything. I am talking about higher Dale education for users, not binding them to a post in the town Dale square and giving them 20 lashes. ;-) Well said. I agree with this post, completely. (If you ;look back, I jumped in when people said mandatory). However, this ;post represents a sentiment that I support. If langiuage to this effect is included somewhere, I would like to have (excerpts from) this message to be recorded as rationale. I really don't have anything to say here but thank you! It was your tag line that prompted the reply... manoj -- If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion. George Benard Shaw I don't know why, but the above quote reminded me of a funny joke that bears on the current discussion, if obliquely. Q: Why is computer documentation like sex? A: Because even when it is the worst you have ever had, it is better than nothing. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Bug reporting proceedure, was Re: Bug#24066: libc6: rsh segfaults as , a result of new libc 2.0.7r2
Before I start whining ;-) I want to thank Steve for the useful information in his bug report, and although his bug report is a duplicate report, and that is what I am here to complain about, I appreciate his report and am not directing this at him specifically. I have never experienced this probem with bug reports until I took on the glibc package. The willingness of folks to report bugs against this package is admirable, but without some prudence it creates many, many, many... duplicates of every problem, sometimes with wildly different subject lines. What I am requesting is that the submitter of a bug take some time, in exchange for the time they expect from the maintainer, and verify that the bug has not been reported already. If it has, it is appropriate to send the maintainer a confirmation that you also experienced the bug and any additional information you can contribute to the solution. This confirmation should be CC'd to the original bug report, for continuity purposes. But creating an additional report is both confusing and administrativly ugly. I am not looking to stifle information flow about bugs. I am suggesting that if the reporter of the bug will spend some time doing the filing correctly the task becomes possible and the end user and the maintainer both benefit. Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
On 17 May 1998, Rob Browning wrote: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did the best I could at replacing all the critical functionality with control keys so that ae can function in both a dumb terminal as well as the full featured console. Because of the limited choices the alphabet provides, I was not able to convert all the keys to control keys, so the block, cut, and paste functions, the help key, undo, and case flip are still controled by the function keys. I am taking suggestions for control key sequences for these functions, and will do what I can to convert all of them in the near future. Well, if you're emulating emacs, I'd thing that mapping The release being discussed did not try to emulate emacs. The most recent release (-19) has just been moved out of Incoming into frozen and unstable. This release is much more emacs like keybindings, although there are several exceptions as discussed below. All of my statements below are with respect to the -19 version. block - C-space I used C-@ before I knew about C-space. I will add it to the next release (as an alternate key) to reduce the surprise for those emacs users used to using C-space. cut- C-w Which is what I used ;-) paste - C-y Here as well. undo - C-u (not really right, I know...) On my first cut I used that key as well, but when I found out that the default emacs key was C-_ I choosed that one instead ;-) I can add C-U as an alternative as well, as it isn't used elsewhere...maybe... might make sense. And what about C-? for help? All this predicated Well, the choice I made was not all that correct either. The correct choice would be a C-H sequence of some sort, but this is problematical at several levels. I actually like C-? as much as the poor choice of C-X C-H that I used, maybe more. I would easily sway to a popularity poll on the issue ;-) on the fact that I know exactly none of the restrictions on the choices.. The restrictions are nonexistant, as far as the .rc file format is concerned. You can designate a key as \0180 or as P. The control key is represented as ^ so C-Y is represented as ^Y and works for upper and lower case Y when executed (all other instances of Y will be case dependent. ^[ represents the esc key, which is why I used ^[ for the literal escape. This sequence (C-[) creates an escape key to ae. On terminals without an escape key this is useful for typing the escape sequences described in the help screen. Also note the entry for .literal in the ae.rc file is assigned this keystroke with the string ^\[ to keep the .rc parser from interpreting the string as an escape. The current version of ae is compiled against the slang library which is termcap oriented. This is the reason for all the termcap declarations at the beginning of the ae.rc file. Because of the sparse nature of slang, many of the keycode type entries are required in addition to their initial termcap code entries. You will note that multiple entries are allowed for all the functions that may be bound to a key, so creativity can be allowed to get things all tangled up ;-) One more point of general interest. Copy /etc/ae.rc into your home directory as ae.rc and any ae session run as that user will use the .rc file found in the users home directory, rather than the one found in /etc/ae.rc. You can then modify this file to your heart's content. This is a great way to experiment without effecting ae's functionality for others. You can also construct a custom configuration of ae that satisfies your desires for key bindings and never effect the way other users see ae. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New ae uploaded to Incoming
On Sun, 17 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the choice I made was not all that correct either. The correct choice would be a C-H sequence of some sort, but this is problematical at several levels. C-? is fine for those environments where it's not DEL, but the proper This is exactly why I can't use it with the current ae.rc, as C-? is already bound to DEL. way to implement help has all unbound keys suggest the cannonical help key (for example: press F1 for help). While I can add this binding back into the ae.rc file with no difficulties, and probably should. It is exactly those function keys that these keybinding are supposed to be fixing. There are many terminals without function keys, all send a control key... Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New ae uploaded to Incoming
I want to take this time to make a broader announcement than I usually do when I release a new version of a package. ae has been in a big mess since the move to the slang library, and the only excuse that I have for taking so long is that the mess was very complicated, and not all the details were in my control. I want to thank Jim Mintha for taking over the slang package in the midst of this crises. Without his help, I would not be releaseing the package even now. All of the major issues have been dealt with, however I wish to discuss some things in more detail here. I did the best I could at replacing all the critical functionality with control keys so that ae can function in both a dumb terminal as well as the full featured console. Because of the limited choices the alphabet provides, I was not able to convert all the keys to control keys, so the block, cut, and paste functions, the help key, undo, and case flip are still controled by the function keys. I am taking suggestions for control key sequences for these functions, and will do what I can to convert all of them in the near future. The vi emulation has also been repaired (for the most part) and should work in both console and xterm environments. I took the DISPLAY method of deciding whether X was in place or not. This may not work in all configurations, so please let me know what these configurations are that don't work correctly. I have also modified the arrangement of config files in /etc. The default config file (ae.rc) is found in /etc while the other config files provided can be found in /etc/ae. These include the console and X config files for the vi emulation, as well as fn.rc, which is a function key implimentation of the editor. For those who want this, instead of the default, there are several ways to deal with the problem. The best is to take the config file you like and place it in your home directory. ae will look there first when looking for a .rc file. I found this a great way to segregate my test config files from the default during testing, but it makes a good way to customize ae by user preference as well. There are many little details in the config files, and while I attempted to do a good round of testing on each file I built, I am only human and thus prone to mistake. Please take a close look at this new version of ae and let me know if there are any keys that still don't work in particular situations. Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XCircuit available as debian package?
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Wojtek Zabolotny wrote: Hi All! I'm just wondering if someone is debianizing the XCircuit program (http://bach.ece.jhu.edu/~tim/programs/xcircuit). It is a very nice schematic editor for X. Is it difficult to convert such a program into a debian package? I just looked at this, to see how hard it would be to package. The first thing that I noticed is that there are no copyright notices, or license agreements provided with the source code. This makes the package impossible to distribute. Is the author willing to GPL it? I don't have the time right now to look into this, as I will be away from net access for about a week, but I can look into this further if you are interested. Other than that it doesn't look too hard to package. Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian User's Guide_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: changing pine config
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Paul wrote: hi everybody, is there a way to change the field from: in my headers to say an alternative email address. Thanks for everything. Paul I do this by setting the user-domain field in the config file. My address is dwarf.polaris.net, but my provider collects my mail, so I set my 'user-domain' to polaris.net. This works for me. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian User's Guide_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Not exactley concerning debian
On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Bob Mills wrote: I want to set up my computer to run Debian in 1 partion and have win95 in another. I have no idea how to go about this or if it can be done. No problem ;-) You will have to install '95 on the first primary partition. Don't let the install make the partition as it will glomm onto the whole drive if you let it. Use a DOS rescue disk to make your first primary partition. Then install windows on that partition. Don't use dos fdisk to make the other partitions, as they will not work for Linux. You will need a rescue disk, a drivers disk and 5 base disks, plus one blank disk to do the base install without a CD-ROM. The installation will lead you through the process of creating partitions and populating them with your new Debian GNU/Linux system. For additional help (be sure to also read the installation noted in the disks-i386 directory) you might check out my new book The Debian User's Guide. You can download the html version of the book for free, or you can order the hard copy of the book (which comes with 3 CDs and tech support). Check out www.linuxpress.com. There is a discussion about partitioning in the book as well as many other things you need to know to install Debian on your machine. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian User's Guide_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dselect
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to install packages with dselect, via floppy disks? I know I have to include the packages themselves, .dep files, right? But I think I need to add soemthing else cause I get some errors, I need to add like a packages header or something, any ideas? The first floppy must contain a Packages file, but you really don't want to do it this way. If you must add packages to your system via floppy disk, use dpkg and install them one at a time. Also does anyone know of a online manual that explains installing new packages, binary and source to debian? You might take a look at my new book. You can download the html version from http://www.linuxpress.com. (the html version is freely distributable) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian User's Guide_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: newbie questions...Help!
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Rick wrote: Hi, I have just installed Debian on a partition of my HD (and a swap partition) everything seems to be going well, i log on and get a $, what next? I have a Mistsumi CD rom drive, but cannot get the drivers select page to recognise it, how do i find the interupts, irq thingys out? what packages should i get to start me off, how (after downloading them with win95) do i get the files on a debian readable floppy, and after that how do i install, use them? how can i look at the contents of my hd? something like dir in dos would be nice? whats this x windows thing, and how do i get, install, use it? how do i change my username and password? how do i log on as super-user? and more and more and more sorry about the newbie'ness of these questions but i have no idea what i am doing... Thanks Rick Most of your questions are not Debian specific (straight *nix stuff). I recommend that you get a book on general Unix systems (something like Unix for Dummies, which is actually well written dispite the derogatory title). You would also benefit from reading Matt Welsh's book Running Linux. For the Debian installation questions I can recommend my own book The Debian User's Guide which is available in html from http://www.linuxpress.com For instance, getting your CD-ROM mounted will depend more on the controler than the drive. (although the Mitsumi drive typically uses a proprietary controler, I believe that the drivers disk includes it) Hope this helps. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian User's Guide_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mail Server?
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Robinet David Jeremy wrote: Hi. I'm going to be setting up a dedicated network connection for a client across the border. He has asked me about a separate mail server (on top of the web/cgi server with the Net connection) to offload some of the duties of the main server. I'm a little confused as to how exactly I would accomplish this. I know it's possible. I'm familiar with PPP, and I've set up the one server to communicate on the Net (with a little help from the HOWTO... :)... but how would I have all incoming mail sent to the second computer for processing etc? When I send mail through my ISP, I direct pine's smtp to the mail server (by name, ie mail.polaris.net) my ISP askes me to use. I assume that smail/sendmail on other machines on the local net would be pointed at that server as well. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian User's Guide_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problem installing Debian 1.3
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, the thought here is that if a partition is a primary Linux partition rather than a Linux partition sitting in a DOS extended partition, perhaps a virus looking for DOS partitions will leave the LINUX partitions alone. Whereas, viruses would recognise the extended partition as a DOS partition and reek havoc on the DOS, thus trashing any Linux partition residing within. Thus a rescue floppy might allow you to at least recover Linux. Any thoughts on this? The simpler solution is to not use DOS fsdisk to create partitions for Linux. (I would argue this on general principles having nothing to do with DOS virus) I know of at least three instances where the DOS created partitions weren't even recognized by cfdisk, and in one case cfdisk reported that the partition was broken. Removing the DOS created partitions and replacing them with cfdisk, has always repaired the problem. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problem installing Debian 1.3
On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for you... What happens to the Linux partitions sitting in a extended partition if the extended partition gets accidently _trashed_? (like from a virus) I assume it does the same thing as trashing a primary partition ... FUBAR Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problem installing Debian 1.3
On 8 Dec 1997, Sten Anderson wrote: That's the problem-^ When You install debian (or most other distributions), you must remove these pseudo-partitions as only DOS understands them. Are you saying that linux can't handle logical partitions? I am currently running linux on logical partitions, so I gues I have proven you wrong. While I can see how you got that impression (It looked that way to me as well), I believe what he is refering to is the difference between using DOS fdisk and Linux fdisk (or cfdisk). Logical partitions created with DOS fdisk are completely unusable by Linux, and often will result in cfdisk reporting a broke partition table. Using the original DOS tool to remove these partitions and replacing them using the Linux tool will usually recover the problem. Linux, in general, and Debian, specifically, run quite nicely from a logical partition. This e-mail was sent from a system runing on a logical partition, so I know that part is true. I have had reports from others who have thought they were getting ahead of the game by creating their partitions in DOS before beginning the Debian install, and were disturbed to find that Debian didn't think there were any partitions available, or worse yet that their partition table was broken. Removing them with the DOS tool has always fixed this problem in the past. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Can I stay current using source packages instead of binaries?
On 8 Dec 1997, Peter Mutsaers wrote: Hello, Normally I stay current with hamm using dselect or dpkg directly. This uses binary packages. The drawback is that sometimes (most often) the real package doesn't change, but only the patches that were made to 'debianize' it. Now I wonder whether it is possible (e.g. like the FreeBSD ports system) to stay current using source code; thus one only downloads the underlying package once, and gets new versions of the debian patches only. Yes! This is exactly what the current Debian Source Package format is intended to accomplish. All you need do is get the diff and the dsc files, both small, for the package in question. You only need these files in the same directory as the source tarball. You can now run 'dpkg-source -x package.dsc' to unpack the source and apply the diff. While this doesn't work on all packages (some can't use the pristine source feature because of the way the upstream source is packaged.), for the ones that it doesn't work with, you only need download the package.orig.tar.gz file from a debian mirror and the diff-dsc pair will be all that is necessary until the version changes on the source. Notice, that while this can make the expert user's life much easier, it was a necessity for the developers. Specialy when a package might go through several revisions in a short period of time. This system relieves the developer of the need to upload the source for each change. Since many of our developers are on pay/byte internet connections, obtaining their work made this process a necessity. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HELP!!!!!!
On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, --- A.T.E. --- wrote: O.K. here's the problem . I have a laptop and I want to take dos ,windows and all that stuff off and just run a straight Linux system but .if I do that how can I install Linux on it ? It doesn't have a cd-rom (well it does but it's pcmcia), and all of my Linux stuff is on cd-rom !..My cd-rom is supported with kernal image 2.0.30 and newer and I can solve this but my resc1440 disk uses k.image 2.0.29 so I need to get a rescue disk that has 2.0.30. I'm not sure which CD you have, but in the /disks-i386 directory, there should be a directory called /special. This directory has both a tecra kernel and a 2.0.30 kernel directory containing rescue disk images with these kernels installed. The real problem I am having is that without my cd-rom I can't install the base system and it is too large to put on a floppy to install it If you haven't already blown away your dos partition, there are image files in the disks directory for base-1 thru base-5, that, together with a rescue disk and a drivers disk, are all that you need to install a base system. To make the cdrom work you will need the pcmcia packages in either bo-updates or the current ftp archive for bo (which is most likely updated since your CD was pressed. WHAT CAN I DO? Also, if you still have dos installed and have enough disk space, you could go to the MSDOS directory and copy the archive to your dos partition. You would need enough disk to hold that archive (around 300 meg) and still leave room for your Linux partitions. Once you have a base install, mount the DOS partition and install from there. Please respond as soon as possible !!! pant, pant...sweat, sweat ;-) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: TShirts
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: Just in time for the holidays, I still have some 'unofficial' Debian tshirts left. Take a look at http://www.buoy.com/~tps/tshirt Have you still got three extra large left? I'll put a check in the mail on Monday. Thanks for doing this! Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation Problem
On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Faiz ul Haque Zeya wrote: Hello, I come accross three problems while installing Debian 1.3.1 from CD 1. The system boots correctly from the boot floppy created during installation but by booting from harddisk (through LILO ) the kernel boots correctly but then it stopped displaying the following: VFS: Mounted root msdos file system readonly Unable to open an initial console How to correct it ?. Why msdos is shown as the filesystem instead of ext2 (floppy booting shows ext2) . Is this a problem due to LILO What does /etc/lilo.conf look like? It sounds like you specified the wrong partition for root. 2. The X configuration file can not be created during installation and hence Xserver cannot be started form xdm. How it can be created manually. Do I have to reinstall . Which packages did you install? Once you have all of the needed packages installed you can run xbase-configure to create a configuration file. 3. Thirdly I want to know how to use X without mouse . . What should be done to use mouse funcions through keyboard ?. This one I have no idea about...sorry. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: .32 kernel
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Shaleh wrote: Anyone tried out this kernel? I used it, until I heard that file system corruption was being experienced by some. I had no problems that I can see, and will probably do some more experimental use of it in the future. Particular problems? Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I'm an idiot and sed proves it...
Well, it's time to sum up the efforts of all you good folks out there who tried to relieve my ignorance. I want to thank you all for the information (even Aaron was helpful) you imparted and the spirit of helpfulness for what was clearly an off topic post. First cntrl-v is a very nice new trick to know about, but it only worked for the tab. Cntrl-v cntrl-j did, in fact, produce the expected line feed, but bash then passed it as two lines and sed didn't get what it expected. My final solution to the -newline was to use beav to edit the file and do a search on 2D 0A replacing it with nothing. This worked very well, although it isn't the sed solution. It seems that none of the solutions presented allowed sed to find and replace the -newline character pair. From what I have read and tried elsewhere some of the presented solutions should have worked. Reading up on bash, I found the variable NEWLINE, but the line 'sed s/-$NEWLINE//g' produced no better results than any of the other suggestions. I must assume from this that sed treats the newline character as a special character that it does not use for comparisons. While this is only conjecture it fits what several folks said with respect to this special character. In any case, while it wasn't sed, I have a solution that gets me down the road, and I enjoyed the discussion very much. Thanks to all who helped. I will do my part to keep my comments more on topic in the future ;-) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: URGENT: writing Win95 Compatible ISO Images
On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote: Hi! How do I make a Win95 Compatible ISO Image with mkisofs? I've tried with the -l -L options, but it doesn't work 100% all right. If you mean one that can be viewed on a Win95 system, you probably want the -R and -T options (Redrock and Transtable). These should give you a CD you can access from Win95. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
I'm an idiot and sed proves it...
I've been trying to use sed to do some editing of simple characters from a large block of ascii text. The text has tabs that I wish to replace with spaces, and hyphonated words wrapped across linefeeds that I also wish to remove. For the tabs, I try the following: sed -e 's/'\t'/ /g' infile outfile Which very cleanly places every t in the document with a space!?? For the hyphonation I try: sed -e 's/-'\n'//g' infile outfile and although the file gets slightly smaller (I didn't try to find out just what had been removed) none of the hyphonated text is corrected. I read the man page on sed, which pointed me to the backslash special characters, but gave no examples of their use. I have tried to figure this out looking at other examples, but am not making any headway. While I am positive that my problem is simple, I'm too much of an idiot to figure it out on my own. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I'm an idiot and sed proves it...
On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Aaron Denney wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sed -e 's/-'\n'//g' infile outfile and although the file gets slightly smaller (I didn't try to find out just what had been removed) none of the hyphonated text is corrected. This isn't quite the appropriate venue for such questions, as it is a general unix/sed question and not very specific to Debian. In the future try the newsgroup comp.unix.programmer or comp.unix.questions. You are absolutely correct, and as a developer I should probably know better. My only excuse is that I spend a lot of time on this list, and consider the folks here my friends. This leaves little time to go exploring other venues, and besides, I'd rather ask a favor of a friend than of some stranger somewhere else ;-) Personally, I find the off topic threads on this list are often very interesting. I almost always learn some new twist or trick that I had not seen before, so it is my hope that, when I have problems, the solution may be valuable to others as well. Your problem is that the inner quotes don't add another level quoting, but take away another level of quoting. To be a little clearer: sed -e 's/'\t'/ /g' infile outfile ^^ are the quoted parts. The \t is not quoted, but is interpreted by your shell, which replaces the \t with an actual t. If you take out the inner quotes, it should work: sed -e 's/\t/ /g' infile outfile This will pass an actual \t to sed, which will interpret it as a tab character. I think that I will never understand the ins and outs of these quoting issues. However, this doesn't provide any better fix for my problem. Removing the inner quotes results in sed carefully replacing all t characters by the space character, and doing nothing to the tabs. (This was, after all, my first try, before I went looking at examples and tried the inner quotes. Your assurances didn't make it work any better the second or third time I tried it either.) If all that sounds like whining and complaining, I want to make it quite clear that I greatly appreciate the help provided. Thanks, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: URGENT: writing Win95 Compatible ISO Images
On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Sven Goldt wrote: Why do you answer that question ? It's just the way I am ;-) I touch type at about 60 words per minute, so it is as easy to actually answer the question as it is to belittle the user. If that guy would read the manual he would have seen these options. If you mean read the man pages, then, while I agree, in principle, that these options are in the manual, that same manual gives very little contextual information. I find man pages useful for reminding me about syntax and correct option spelling and use, but when I don't know how to use something, often its man page only confuses me more. While there are, I am certain, other documents that would provide this information, the lack of a comprehensive index makes finding it without help a daunting task. When I can provide better sources for information than the man pages, I do so. When I can't, and I am able to answer the question, I do that instead. You even don't have to use options to create a 8.3 file system that can be read by ANY OS. That is quite a sweeping statement... RTFM ! Thanks, I'll keep that in mind ;-) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I'm an idiot and sed proves it...
Thank you all for the many kind replies. Many of you pointed out my mistake as did Oliver, which stems from a poor reading of the sed man page. I blindly looked for tab and found a table of backslashed characters and their equivalents. On second reading I discover that these are the output characters I will see replaced for these when I use the 'l' command with sed. This makes it quite clear why my string had the effect it did. Dispite this, there may be some usefulness in this information, dispite my original misunderstanding. On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Oliver Elphick wrote: According to `man sed', only a few characters can be backslash-escaped, and t is not one of them. On the other hand it is used for _output_ by the l command within sed. And this may allow me to deal with the hyphons at the end of the lines. I can do one pass through sed replacing new lines with \n, and then make another pass editing out all the '-\n'. I am still left with the problem of converting all the other '\n' strings back into newline characters. If I knew this, I could put that into the original search, so I'm left with trying to search for a newline. Enclose an actual tab in the quotes; if you are typing it in and the shell interferes, use `ctrl-v tab'. The ctrl-v works fine for a tab, but I have no newline key on my keyboard, only an enter (which produces ^M when pressed after ctrl-v and the search fails). Is there a way to enter a character by giving its ascii value (in dos the alt key lets you enter the decimal value to get special keystrokes) instead of the keypress. I guess, more important to me, will I find the information I am looking for in the bash manpages? Thanks again for all the help, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: upgrade debian1.2 to 1.3
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Marc Fleureck wrote: Hi, When I want to upgrade from Debian 1.2 to 1.3 following the instructions in the Web page i get the following error: dpkg -i ldso_1.8.10-2.deb ... ldconfig:warning:can't open /usr/local/lib, skipping... I get the same with package libc5*.deb The system does not do the upgrade. These packages should install ok dispite the warning, however you may get rid of the warning by simply creating /usr/local/lib on your system. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: directory with pkgs in 5-6 howto
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Walter L. Preuninger II wrote: I have looked, and cant find it, but thats normal for me I think. Is there a directory that contains only the files mentioned in the Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO. For example: ldso_1.9.6-2.deb libc6_2.0.5c-0.1.deb, et cetera... When looking for the location of packages (or the package that contains a particular program) the most useful method that I have found is to search the Contents file. This file is usually in the directory that contains the binary-i386 tree. Download the file, then search inside the file for the package or program you are looking for. The line containing the package also indicates the section you will find it in. The line containing a program also contains the package that provides that program. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: MSDOS files...what to do...
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Will Lowe wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Andrew Akins wrote: I have copied some MSDOS text files (documents, java source files) to my Linux box. So, of course, they all have ^M at the end of each line. At our SCO box at work, we have a dos2unix command that would fix these...does Linux have a similar tool, and what package is it in? Next time use mtools and mcopy, ought to work ok. There is also a program called cr in the seesat5 package that will convert these files back and forth between DOS carriage returns and Unix ones. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Introduction for new users
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Olivier THARAN wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 1997 at 07:39:09PM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: I would just recommend only less. more is in the base distribution, and we are not sure that anyone will choose the 'less' package during installation, moreover, many brain-dead Unices don't have less. So in the first time one could learn more and then less. As less is 100% backward compatible with more, and while it has more features than more, they are not confusing and will not lead the user down any scarey paths of distruction, so I would have to agree with Nicolas (my appologies for being to ignorant to be able to place an accent on the a) that less is more desirable than more. It is at priority standard so unless you say otherwise dselect will install it for you during a normal installation. Please don't let me start a flame war here about the best pager, but compared to more, my personal oppinion is, that less is more, is more than a cute word play, it is true for every context of more. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
suppressing special output from troff -Tascii
I am trying to transfer some troff files to straight ascii, but I keep getting intermixed control characters and extra characters in its attempt to deal with bold, underscore, and other format issues. Is there a way to get troff to not do these formatting steps? As an alternative how can I get sed or some other text manipulator to take the three character sequence characterXcontrol-HcharacterX into simply characterX? Thanks in advance, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: suppressing special output from troff -Tascii
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: Run col. Thanks! That was exactly what I needed! Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Where is /etc/hosts in Debian?
On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Mark Phillips wrote: That's strange. It didn't exist on my friend's machine until it was manually created. Does this suggest that it wasn't configured properly? Does anyone know what creates the /etc/hosts file? This file is created by the installation software when you configure the network. This is why dpkg doesn't know about it. If no network configuration is made, or you answer no to the first question, the file is never created. The solution is your favorite editor. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Free PageMaker-style program?
On 20 Nov 1997, Ben Pfaff wrote: Does anyone know of a DFSG-free program that works something like Adobe PageMaker? I'm kind of hoping there aren't any, because I want to write one. :-) I'll be the first one in line for your new sofware! Actually there is a pagelayout program called Lyx that generates Latex output (not really a bad idea) but from the little that I have looked at it, I don't find the user interface very comfortable. Take a look and tell me what you think. I'm an old pagemaker user (emphasis on the old) and asside from several gross bugs, I will be happy when wine can run my 5.0 version. (There is a new version of wine that I have yet to test, so hope springs eternal.) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: NE clone
On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Civ Kevin F. Havener wrote: How about joe? Don't know anything about Norton Editor, but I've heard some oldtimers say joe is like Wordstar was. Does that ring any bells? Joe seems to me to be somewhat like pico, but with more features (?). I'm one of those old timers, and also the maintainer of Joe. I hesitated to suggest Joe because, while it does use all the familiar control K sequences of WordStar, and has nice cut and paste features as a result, it doesn't quite match the clean interface NE uses. In particular, no ncurses based program can make the consistent use of the ESC character the way that NE does. (a feature that I highly admire) I saw the posting that suggested MCs internal editor, but I just looked at my configuration, and I have the internal editor selected. When I use F4, the editor that comes up looks remarkably like vi. Have I done something stupid here, or is this what the other poster thought would look like NE? Memory says that NE is a modeless editor unlike vi that is very modal. So, I don't really know of one that qualifies, but I would suggest that it wouldn't be a big deal to modify an existing editor to fit the spec. Joe would be better than pico, just because of its freer license, but maybe something like ee or ed would be a better starting point (they are fairly feature free ;-) My best suggestion at this point would be to look at fte. This is a nice little editor that may be similar enough to NE to satisfy the requirements of your clients. It also might be a better starting point for a real look alike. Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: question seeing background process
On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Paul wrote: Hi everybody, I had a little trouble finding what to say in the subject line. But here goes nothing. I put a process in the background with the . Now I want to look at what it is doing. ie I am running hardcrack and I put it in the background and I want to see what it is doing. hardcrack. Can I see what it is doing? Is there a way to bring the process out of the background. I hope you all undstand me. I've use ps but that is not what i want. If you need more information please email me. Thank you very much in advance. Well, lets see...first, when you started hardcrack , there should have been a message that assigned a number to the process. You can use this number to bring that process back into the forground with 'fg #' where # is the number you recieved when you started it. I'm not totally sure that it will be at all useful, but top will show you such a background process. Hope this helps, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: question seeing background process
Sorry for the duplicate posting, but when I do 'ps -a' I see my background processes in the list along with everything else. Does this not work for you? I have had a report from another user that 'ps -a' didn't seem to show all of his processes. Is this the case with you as well? Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Configuring Pine
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Johann Spies wrote: If you look at the header of this message, you will see that where the other messages shows the sender of the message, this one shows To: Debian-poslys .. How do I change that? I am using Pine and smail. I probably don't understand your question, because my answer is, You type that field in yourself!. So since I obviously didn't understand the question, here is the header I recieved from you. What part of this header do you wish to change? From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 20 15:47:51 1997 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:33:44 +0200 (SAT) From: Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-poslys debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Configuring Pine Resent-Date: 20 Nov 1997 16:49:06 - Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Help needed intalling debian
On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, David Welch wrote: Hi, I am brand new to linux and debian. I have been trying to intall debian on my Toshiba T1910 laptop (intel 486sx33, 4mb ram). I have downloaded all the required files from debian/stable/disks-i386/current. When I try to use rawrite to copy resc1440.bin and drv1440.bin to disk I get either address mark not found or sector not found error. Attempting to boot with the rescue disk hangs my computer. I was able to copy the other disk image files without problems. There are several possibilities for these errors. First make sure you have a top quality floppy (Check it with Norton DD or some such). Bad floppies is the most common cause of failure. It is also not clear exactly how you are using rawrite (BTW, this should be rawrite2.exe, found in the same directory). If you are running windows, you will want to get to the dos prompt for this, as windows will interfere with the write process. If you have '95 the problem is more complex and I will deferr to someone with more experience with that problem. In addition, many laptops have problems with the bzImage that is provided on the installation disk. Depending on which section of disks you downloaded, there should be a special subdirectory that contains a tecra and a v30 directory. The tecra kernel is a zImage and should work on your machine. I would try these resc and drv disks and see if that helps the problem. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: help with mounting particular CD
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, JD Thomlinson wrote: I've got a CD that won't mount on FreeBSD 2.2.2 (Yes, I'm working on getting them to install Debian ;) ). Naturally, Debian (2.0.39) has no problem mounting and reading the directory structure. Can anyone give me pointers to a Debian utility that could give me the file system type that Debian so sucessfully has mounted? Apparently it's not iso9660, or at least FBSD won't mount it as iso9660. FBSD will mount other CDs as iso9660. The CD is supposedly accessible by Unix, Win 95 NT, and Mac. I have managed to refuse to install Win 95 NT so far, and am not about to start. Any potential help or pointers will be appreciated! As this is supposed to work with any of the 4 mentioned OSs (well three actually, some would say that NT and 95 are at least cousins...) If the Unix image is not iso9660, then it is either minix, ext, or ext2 if it is a linux image. There are other file systems on other unices so it really may depend... I would try ext2 first, then probably sv4 if bsd supports it. You are working on a system about which I know almost nothing, so I don't feel much confidence in my answers. I hope I have been of some little help. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Need help hacking print filter.
I am printing postscript files to my HP DeskJet using printcap and a gs filter. Things work as expected, but I have several minor glitches that I can't figure out how to deal with. When I print a plain ascii file I simply cat the file to the printer. The printer defaults to high quality print mode, so to save ink I cat a set of 4 characters that push the printer into draft mode. My problem is that I can't figure out how to get the filter to prepend these characters to the front of the input stream, so all my postscript files use ink like crazy. Is there any way that I can get the characters prepended so that postscript files will print in draft mode as well? In addition I get an error message every time I print a postscript file. The message: Error: /undefinedfilename in (stcolor.ps) Operand stack: Execution stack: appears at the top of the first page (alone thankfully). Is there some way to get this error message to the null device instead of the printer? As I said these are fairly minor problems, and I'm sure HP would be happy if I couldn't reduce my ink usage, but my prospective use is going to go up so I could realy use a solution. Any ideas will be greatfully accepted. Thanks, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: user questions
the second attempt more successful. Always keep in mind that there are other reasons for a failure to answer than disinterest. Sometimes everyone gets up at the same time to go to the bathroom ;-) 5. When all else fails, fall back on your own skills and resources. Sometimes, if you continue to investigate you will discover, for yourself, just what the problem is. This is always more satisfying than the gift of a solution. Even when you can't arrive at a clear solution on your own, as the technician on-site, you are the most likely to notice something useful to the off-site support. In conclusion, while not all of the developers hang out on debian-user, a fair number do so. It is not always possible for a new user to tell whether a developer or a user is answering their question, so many times folks go away with an answer, but an unsatisfied feeling. I suspect for some the name debian-user implies that only users subscribe to the list, making it a 'chat room'. I also wish to thank the many experienced users, who hang out here and help new users get accustomed with the lay of the land. Their contientous attention to these new users is as valuable to the Debian distribution as any of the other varied contributions of the developers. Finally, just because a question has been answered 500 times, doesn't mean that the five hundred and first questioner has no right to the answer. If you get tired of answering the same question over and over, save it in a file and start your own faq. We need all the help we can get with documentation. Thanks for your time, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, butch wrote: Hello, well i was in JR music worlds computer store and i saw the set- ,and they have a really good price on it. has anyone bought it and what are your opinions of the value for money? I believe that you are asking about my current book on Debian. I asked my publisher how I might reply to your inquiry and here is his response. The list price of book is $37.95. Some stores discount it. As to its value --- yes, you can find Debian cheaper. However, both a useful book and 30 days of technical support are included with the product. We aren't aware of any other companies offering support with their Debian release. I should also point out that he failed to mention the Official 2 CD set, plus a third, custom CD with several extras, like Drop in Debian. As the author, I feel unqualified to speak to the book's quality, or usefulness. For that I must rely on feedback from folks who have actually tried to use its help. There is a freely distributable html version of the book that can be obtained from www.linuxpress.com as well as ordering facilities at the same location for those who want a nice hardcopy. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ppp error question
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Shaleh wrote: I received this last night: Excessive lack of response to LCP echo frames connection terminated What does this mean? I had to reboot because my box quit seeing my modem. setserial would say /dev/modem, unknown UART, 0x2f8 irq 3 with `setserial /dev/modem`. It is an internal Best Data uses dip switches and has served me faithfully for many moons. Is there some way to reset a modem without a coldboot (which this required, reboot did no good)? I had a problem similar to this one that eventually degenerated to the point that I purchased a new modem and the problem went away. I didn't get a locked up machine right away. It would only hang the connection. Eventually the modem got so fratsed that it could not be recovered without a reboot. That was when I went looking for a new modem. The error message is a result of having LCP echo frames configured in your options file (as a keep alive for the link). When this error would happen to me, my ISP would still show me as logged into the system, even though neither of us could ping the other. Removing the LCP echo from the options file only made the errors more bizzar. Hope this helps some, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Bill Leach wrote: The usefulness of this RedHat technical support for me however, proved to worthless. Tech support registration and receipt of 'trouble tracking numbers' turned out to be the only part of their system that functioned. NO email response beyond the auto-responders was ever received -- no questions, no suggestions, nada! The users list provided some suggestions, none of which helped but still there was an attempt by other users. Finally, I received the ONE suggestion that worked, from another user experiencing the same sort of problems that I was experiencing Switch to debian!! That worked! About a year ago, when there was much talk about integrating RPM into our packaging system, I signed up on the RedHat User's Mailing List to see what I could learn. While I have always been pleased with the level of technical information traffic on the Debian lists, I was disappointed with what I saw from RedHat. There were a number of user questions posted to the list (while not the volume that debian-user sees) and almost no replies from the actual developers at RedHat. This gave the list the air of a desperate chat room where folks with problems would, as a last resort, come and air their difficulties. Many folks crying on each others shoulders, often with the same exact problems, with no one able to supply any solutions. I can't speak to the state of their lists today, but from what I hear from others things haven't changed much, if at all. You pays your quarter, and you takes your chances ... Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Window Managers..
On Sun, 16 Nov 1997, Zach Wilkes wrote:
okay I've used linux for a little bit now but I have yet to figure
this one out.. How do you change the window manager for X? and
where does one get new window managers? I was reading boot magazine
the other day and it had an article on linux and it had a picture of a
really cool geiger-esque window manager and I was wondering where one
would get something like that..
Thanx,
Zach
First, I would encourage you to take a look at my book (there is a freely
distributable html version of the book available at www.linuxpress.com,
where you can order the print version of the book as well)
In chapter 5, on X11 installation, page 136 gives a list of available
window manager for 1.3 along with some explanation on installation.
When you install a new window manager package it will ask you if you wish
this window manager to be the default. If you say yes it will add that WM
to the top of the list in /etc/X11/window-managers. If you start your
server with xdm, that is the window manager that will come up. (This may
also work for other methods {like startx} but I am only familiar with xdm)
Luck,
Dwarf
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Re: less than useful dselect/dpkg error msg
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Bill Leach wrote: Receiving error messages such as the following: Linux# dpkg --configure fvwm2 dpkg: error processing fvwm2 (--configure): package fvwm2 is not ready for configuration cannot configure (current status `installed') Errors were encountered while processing: fvwm2 Linux# are pretty much useless. This sort of error message reminds me of Red Hat's RPM! Ooooh, that was nasty ;-) What causes this sort of information free error message? Does dpkg honor the 'hold' status in the status file when it is placed there by dselect (that is when dpkg is run manually from the command line)? I'm not conversant with dpkg internals enough to tell you where that less than useful error message originates. Was the package really on Hold status? As far as I can tell, dpkg honors the hold in the status file, unless you include --force-hold as an option on the command line. (It can't tell whether dselect put the Hold there, or some editor, but that is another issue) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Modem configuration
On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, smorrill wrote: Ok, guys, I give... I have a base installation running from floppies (ver 1.3) on a 586 sharing a hard drive with win95. Everything works as it should, so far. I'm trying to get ppp running so I can ftp the packages I need. I'm a real newbie to linux, and I'm not understanding the setup process for my modem, an external usr 33.6 voice/fax (not a winmodem). I know my modem is on com 2 / irq 3. Do I need to make a link somewhere in /dev to get things rolling? When I do a dmesg it shows both serial ports... I've tried reading the howto and other documentation, but it seems I'm getting myself more confused by the minute. Can anybody direct me thru the sequence to get this thing running? I hear a lot of talk about minicom, but I don't have it yet. I think I got most of the IP stuff in right when I did the install, so I think all I need to get done is get my modem operable get ppp configured to get to my isp... Help please! You might try my new book ;-) Section 6.3 is about PPP configuration. You can get the html version of the book from www.linuxpress.com (it's about 360 k ... yep, just download it) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: olvwm
On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Bill Moran wrote: Hi I am (still) trying to get olvwm to work under debian. When I run /usr/bin/X11/olvwm, I receive the message Cannot connect to (NULL DISPLAY) I have a .DISPLAY file in my home directory with :0.0 in it. When I type env I cannot find a DISPLAY variable. How do I set the variable for olvwm? Even with all this information things are a little sketchy. I'm not clear on just how you are starting X. I start it with xdm and olvwm just comes up. Is the top entry in /etc/X11/window-managers: /usr/X11R6/bin/olvwm ? If you try to start the server and the screen blanks but never provides a desk top then there are several possibilities for the problem that are unrelated to olvwm. The most likely is that your configuration file doesn't fit your graphics card, although this could involve fonts, or other features of the system that are misconfigured. It is very important that you configure the software for the proper card and monitor, otherwise results are hard to predict. Hope I have been of some help, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which book?
On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, clif smith wrote: OK I know this question will generate subjective answers but Well, if you are looking for a book to help with installing and understanding the Debian distribution, you could try my new book. (that is about as subjective as I can get ;-) Check out www.linuxpress.com to order a hard copy of the book (you also get a nice set of CDs), or you can download the html version directly from the site. There are many other good books on Linux, like: Running Linux by Matt Welsh et al The Linux Bible by (don't remember ;-) Linux Man Edited by John Purcell As well as others that don't come to mind at the moment. Hope this helps, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Where is the Local Guide to Latex?
I have finally decided to learn Latex, so I bought Leslie Lamport's book and started reading ... but the first suggestion has been difficult to deal with. He suggests that there is a Local Guide to Latex that I should read to find out how to use the local implimentation, like how to go from a .tex document to the printer. I have the tetex-doc package installed, and there is tons of stuff there, but I can't find anything that looks like it might be the guide. Anyone have a suggestion? Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Trouble with dselect
On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Jim Kennedy wrote: The dselect program is having trouble seeing the packages for installation; I put them in a directory named install on the c drive, and also copied the packages file into the same directory. Only 20 or so packages come up in the screen for selection. How can i get dselect to see all the packages that are there? Well, the packages file is constructed for an archive directory structure that you have not duplicated. If you have all of the .deb files in one directory, and you wish to install them all, you can do this with something like: dpkg -iR /pathtopackages/*.deb (It may work without the *.deb, but I have never actually tried it this way, so you may need to experiment with the proper command line.) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Update: mounting MS-DOS fs onto Linux
On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Charles Read wrote: Here's what I tried: 0. Looked at /proc/filesystems to verify that VFAT was supported. 1. Ran dmesg | more to verify that /dev/hda1 was the correct partition. 2. Ran mount and got this result: # mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt [MS-DOS FS Rel. 12, FAT 16,check=n,conv=b,uid=0,gid=0,umask=022,bmap] [me=0xf8,cs=8,#f=2,fs=32,fl=0,ds=32,de=0, data=32,se=0,ts=7805889,ls=512] Transaction block size = 512 VFS: Can't find a valid MS-DOS filesystem on dev 03:01 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1 or too many mounted filesystems Any clues what's wrong here? Did you try to mount the partition with -t msdos? Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, dc wrote: much dreck deleted If Bruce really cares about the free and open future of the Debian Project, he will cede his position immediately. Much (private) discussion has gone on about forming a new distribution based on how the old Debian used to be. This is my last attempt at my inclusion and 'fixing' the Debian distribution, and if it does not succeed I (and others with discontent) will turn my efforts to that. Go for it! And all your alternate personalities can go with you as well. This should make for a really cozey team ;-) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problems
G. Kapetanios (I think) asked: Additionally, I now get an xdm window whenever I boot up despite having the no-xdm-start-server in /etc/X11/config. You should also have a line that says 'no-start-xdm' (yours probably says 'start-xdm'). It is this line that controls what happens at boot. The other line (no-xdm-start-server) declares that you can't start X via xdm from the console. You would think that this would also preclude booting with xdm, but they appear to be two seperate issues. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Lindsay Allen wrote: I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing 2.0.31. Anybody else having trouble with it? Yep. Random freezes, generally when I'm not using the machine, in the dead of night (the *worst* time for a computer to freeze). I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem? That is, are you using kerneld? Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem? That is, are you using kerneld? Yes, I'm using kerneld. The module that loads and uploads the most here (the only one that's likely to do so in the night when I'm gone) is the sound module. My error message I once saw was this: kite kernel: kernel panic: skput:over: 0014348c:4008. I dunno what it means. Also, the kernel often crashes within 2 minutes of bootup. It seems unlikely that a module would be unloading then. That is exactly when they start unloading! I once had a pppd problem because I loaded serial as a module. At bootup it would use setserial to set the proper interupt for the modem. If I started pppd within 2 minutes of bootup everthing worked fine. If I tried to start pppd after 2 minutes it would fail because, although serial got reloaded, it had the wrong, default, interupt values and wouldn't work. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: That is exactly when they start unloading! Yep, you're right, I've relaized that my sounds module could be unloading about then. Make an explicit entry in /etc/modules for that module and it will stay installed. (even if you have auto enabled) That's how I fixed the serial problem I had. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dpkg slackware?
On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: Try unpacking the package, tarring up the result, and moving it to the slackware system that way. If it doesn't work, you might have to run autoconfig and build it from source under slackware. Be sure the /var/lib/dpkg directory gets bootstrapped with something sensible. Isn't there a non-debian tarball of dpkg somewhere? I can never remember where it is kept, but I remember Christoph used it as the starting point for his RedHat conversions. I would assume that it is the best starting point for installing Debian on foriegn machines. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
CDR drive replacement.
I have used Philips CDRs exclusively and have not been satisfied. For the usual reasons, I am replacing my current CDR and want something that will last a while. I can get an HP SureStore CD-Writer 6020 for a reasonable price. I am curious if anyone has had any first hand experience with this device? Is it encouraging? I would consider other options if they fall in the catagory of cheap (cost effective) and dependable, while at the same time available quickly through mail order using a credit card. Please reply by private e-mail. If there is lots of interest, I will post a synopsis back to the list. Thanks in advance, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I can lock up machine. Why?
On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey. I've been doing lots of programming lately and have noticed (how could I not) that I am reliably able to cause my machine to lockup. I'm running 1.3.1, and have reinstalled from CD twice, once going so far as to wipe the entire boot partition first. This is how I do it: open a document in xfte that is several pages long. Quickly scroll through it using the page up and page down keys. In as little time as a minute I'm able to lock the machine solid -- no disk access, nothing. Note that I told the Xserver to disable XAA acceleration and am now stable but slow. I'm running a Cyrix P120+, Tyan Titan III, and Trident 9680 PCI with 2 Megs of RAM on the card, 24 in the machine. Also note that this machine has been perfectly stable for well over a year, since Debian 1.2, in fact. This sound like it could be caused by can't get free page problems with the delivered 1.3 kernels. 2.0.29 is better than 2.0.30, but they can both be locked by fast allocation of buffers. I don't think that 2.0.27 had this problem, so you might try downgrading the kernel. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dpkg-scanpackages
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Mart Klanberg wrote: hi, I have downloaded all the packages based on which I want to create the Packages file. Now I don't know how to create the override file for dpkg-scanpackages ... help? You will need to get the appropriate override file from the indices directory on any Debian mirror. For 1.3 you want override.bo.gz and for unstable override.hamm.gz. Unzip the appropriate file for the distribution in question and you should be off and running. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc6
On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Scott Ellis wrote: Someone messed up with the libc5 in the latest stable. It conflicts with libc6 for no reason, if you install libc6 with --force-conflicts it should work fine. This isn't strictly speaking true. Libc6 only conflicts with the libc5 in bo. This is because there is a difference in the format of utmp/wtmp lock files between the old libc5 and the new libc6. The version of libc5 in hamm is patched to do the lock file format the same way that libc6 does them. This seems more than trivial to me since forcing libc6 install will corrupt utmp/wtmp lock files for one or the other process. Seems to me this would be good to point out in the HOWTO. There really is a good reason to upgrade to libc5 in unstable. You could also install the latest libc5 from unstable instead (better alternative if you intend to upgrade completely to unstable), but that is likely to force you down the altgcc/libc5-altdev path if you want to be able to compile libc5 stuff. This shouldn't make any difference. Installing libc6-dev will force you down that path though. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: GIMP
On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Matt Thompson wrote: hello, all, I tried to install the GIMP and xtar, and when trying to run both, I get the same error message: xtar: can't load library 'libXm.so.2' ...and: gimp: can't load library 'libXm.so.2' Searching the Contents file for libXm showed me that the shared library is in libs/lesstif. Install the package and things should work. You should also file bug reports against the packages that do not declare it in their dependencies. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what is bzimage?
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, David S. Zelinsky wrote: I went to build a custom kernel with make-kpkg, and noticed the option to build a `zimage' kernel, instead of `bzimage' kernel (the default). But I can't find any documentation anywhere of what the difference is between these two. I've looked in the Kernel-HOWTO, and in all the documentation in /usr/src/linux. So, can someone explain what `bzimage' is, and why I might or might not want it? Thanks. There is a limit to the size of a zImage kernel (1 meg) which requires changes to the bootload/compression that result in a bzimage (which can be larger than 1 meg). There are several ways you can construct a custom kernel that is below the 1 meg and fit in a zImage. In the mean time, have you tried the tecra kernel? It is in the disks-i386 directory under the tecra/ subdirectory. You will find a drivers and rescue disk image there. Give it a try. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Linking two computers through parallel port?
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Johann Spies wrote: In Dos I can use interlnk or laplink to link my notebook to my desktop computer and copy or execute software on the other computer. Can this be done in Linux if 1. both computers have Linux as OS 2. on is a DOS-computer and the other one Linux? Yes, for case 1 Configure your kernel to use PLIP. For case 2, if you have some a networking program which uses the FTP, Inc. type packet drivers in DOS, you can get a packet driver for plip from ftp.crynwr.com. There is a very informative miniHOWTO in /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/PLIP.gz which contains a URL for a tarball that has all the example files you will need to set up the link. The files rc.inet1_* need to be renamed and placed in /etc/init.d/network, while all other example files are correct. WRT the DOS packet drivers, are there versions that will work for '95? Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian version 1.3.1 ?
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Bob wrote: I recently add X to my debian box. My debian version still shows 1.3 Shouldn't this now read 1.3.1?? No. The most recent releases have been 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3 while the upcomming release is to be 2.0 (which may explain the fairly long developement cycle for this release). The additional .N represents an incremental point release, which constitutes changes to a small number of packages which either fix security issues, or major flaws in the given packages. These point releases scared off some vendors because their product was guaranteed to be stale by the time it made it onto retail shelves. This situation (whether real or only perception) has kept Debian from appearing in retail outlets, like computer stores and book stores. To satisfy these concerns (because they impact availability of product to our end users) it was decided to move to a revision number as the method for indicating changes to the release. As usual our timing was poor, in that the decission was implimented after the release of 1.3.1, and on top of that, it was decided to tack the revision number onto the current point release notation rather than revert to having the next revision be 1.3-r2 (we could not decide between r1 and r2 because of the confusion they might entail and settled on 1.3.1-r1 as the next revision after 1.3.1, which seems to have created some confusion as well. Go figure ;-) So, the current version on the ftp site is 1.3.1-r4 which, when converted to the old notation would be 1.3.5 and each of the previous rN's denote previous minor modifications to the 1.3 release. With the release of 2.0 (early next year, with any luck at all) the revision number system will be less confusing as 2.0 will become 2.0-r1 and so on. In addition, the 1.3 release was the first to have an formal attempt made at testing. We can thank the Testing Team and all their good work for the improved stability of 1.3 over 1.2. As a side effect of this additional testing proceedure, (which still goes on before each revision) the length of time between changes to the release has increased somewhat. This has caused some confusion over whether anyone is still working on 1.3 or not. I can assure you that, while the majority of effort is going into 2.0, there is still work being done on 1.3. It has seemed strange that some folks have seen this as abandonment rather than closure... I hope my long-winded explanation will help eliminate some of your (and other folks as well) confusion over this transition in labeling systems. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X font trouble
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, I Brake for Moths wrote: I recently reinstalled all of the xfnt packages on my box, and this has broken X. This is the error message I get when I run 'startx': failed to set default font path '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc' Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: can't connect: errno = 111 giving up. xinit: Connection refused(errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: no such process (errno 3): Server error. I found a mention of the could not open default font 'fixed' error in the man pages, and it said that this means that there is an invalid entry in the font path. However, the path does exist, and I ran 'mkfontdir' to be sure that fonts.dir exists and is in order. root is group and owner for all relevant files and directories, and the permissions are world read, world execute if a directory. I'm at a loss for what to do to fix this, and any help would be appreciated. If memory serves, (and it doesn't always) this has to do with files in the font path that are not font files. This makes mkfontdir fail. As this is an issue of which version of the 3.3 X package you are running, it would be nice to know two things when you ask questions about a package: the version of the package, and the release of the Debian distribution you are running. Hope this helps. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Automatic root login after boot
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Alastair Gregory wrote: I have an odd problem with my Debian system. When it boots up into multi-user mode, it automatically logs in as 'root' on the first console. It's impossible to terminate the session, as a new one starts immediately after I exit the shell. It's in run level 2 and the other consoles behave normally. Another problem I have is that the machine won't reboot by itself. If I telinit 6, it shuts down, then sits there without rebooting until I hit the reset button. Is this an AMD quirk? I loaded Debian 1.3 on an old AMD 486-80 based machine. It seemed to load properly, except that a number of utilities were not present (such as 'dselect', mesg, start-stop-daemon). I was a bit dubious, but not having loaded Debian for a while (last time it was at 1.0, I think) I just assumed I wasn't up with the latest developments. I scrounged a dselect binary which ran, but no access methods were available so I was no better off. The autologin phenomenon didn't manifest itself until I tried reinstalling the base system from the boot diskettes. On booting from the hard disk after this, it asked me to pick a root password, but after the passwd dialog, it'd say Try again and run passwd again. I flipped to another console, logged in as a mere user, su'ed and killed the passwd and bash processes, and ran passwd manually to set the root password. Now I have the autologin problem but dselect seems to be OK. My guess is that part(s) of the Debian load process didn't complete, or failed silently. Can anyone shed light on this? Could I somehow have bad install disks and not know it? It is entirely possible that you got a bad set of disks, although there should have been a complaint from the installation script. Because you killed the initial start up script, it didn't get removed, so you get stuck in it every time you boot. (this is probably what is causing the auto login) Look in /root for something called setup.sh (I think that's the name...). There are also two other files that are mangled for the install. One is bash_profile and the other is one of the init scripts. Look through /etc for files with a .real extention. Copy these files over their proper counterparts and delete the setup.sh in /root and you should see more what you expect from the console. I suspect that you didn't get a clean first install, and you should probably build a new set of disks and try again. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bo-Hamm was Re: ghostscript problem
On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Dave Restall wrote: Hi, .. but that's hamm only. Please enlighten me as to the meaning of hamm ? Ignorant Because this question or a variance on it is asked SO OFTEN, shouldn't the people who decide these things be thinking Hey perhaps we're doing something wrong here ?. Not necessarily ;-) Rex, bo, and hamm are internal code names for 1.1, 1.2 and 2.0 respectivly. Every project I have ever worked on had some kind of cute code name (Debian code names come from the movie Toy Story) for internal identification. While this will probably continue to be confusing to some users, I don't think this constitutes something wrong here. The reason this creates regular questions is that these are not the names that are publicly assigned to these different releases. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: killing xdm
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Paul Miller wrote: How can I kill xdm? I tried finding the pid id and it wasn't listed in 'ps -a' and I don't know how to scroll in 'top'... how? Try: killall xdm Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bypassing xdm?
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Tim Bell wrote: I've configured my machine to boot into xdm. When confronted with the xdm login screen, how can I get to a text virtual console? Hold down the left alt and control keys, then press the function key for the VC you wish to switch to. That is, Alt-Control F1 will switch to the first VC. Usually Alt F7 will get the X session back. (if you have 6 VCs enabled) Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: problem installing debian
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Hasibul Haque wrote: debian cannot detect my hard drive I'm asked to load a driver or command at boot: how am I supposed to do that? or should I try to install redhat ? any suggestions would be welcome Some additional information will be necessary before an answer is forthcoming. What CPU do you have, what kind of hard drive (IDE, SCSI), how has it been partitioned? What have you done so far? Can you boot the rescue floppy? Can you do an install? Information like the above will be very helpful. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation with BT-930
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Andreas Tille wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Egon Schmid wrote: Can you boot from CD-ROM? A WD-7000 isn't on your hardware list. Which debian-version is it? Yes, as I said I insert the CD-ROM and the installation programm comes up without any problem -- so the controller works! No a WD-7000 isn't on my list because I havn't such a thing inside my box. What kind of controller is it? Thought it should be any emulation of the internel ZIP-drive??? It is Debian GNU/Linux 1.3.1 from the German manufacturer J.F. Lehmann. I installed two other boxes (non SCSI) without trouble from this CD. The Debian installation kernel comes with almost all of the SCSI drivers built in so that a CD installation can be done by almost everyone. The WD-7000 driver is getting some response to its hardware probing from another device. This is most often caused by and ethernet card with control registers in the address space expected to be inhabited by the SCSI card. There are boot parameters that can reserve the address space (so it doesn't get probed by the WD-7000 driver) and assign it to a specific device. For information on this subject look at the BootPrompt-HOWTO. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: extract only PART of an archive
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Will Lowe wrote:
I need to extract JUST ONE of the files in a .deb
I've searched through the dpkg info and man pages and haven't found any
way to do this (I might be blind, though). Is there anyway to do it with
out doing
dpkg -R /tmp/ file.deb
and then moving the one file and clearing /tmp?
I use Midnight Commander for this. It has a feature that lets you dive
into a .deb file (it may require a patch to mc.ext, see below) and view
the contents. You can also copy any file you see out to another
directory using Midnight Commander.
As I said, some of the latest version of mc don't have the following patch
applied. It is simply a matter of checking /etc/mc/mc.ext to see if it
contains the following:
directory/^.*$
View=%view{ascii,nroff} echo _D_i_r_e_c_t_o_r_y; echo %d/%p
Icon=plain_dir.xpm
+# deb
+regex/\.deb$
+ Open=%cd deb:%d/%p/
+ View=%view{ascii} dpkg-deb -c %f
+
# ls-lR
regex/^ls-?lR$
Open=%cd lslR:%d/%p/
View=%view{ascii}
I find this feature of mc to be very useful in peeking into a .deb file
to see just what is there. If you need to extract control files or the
other scripts that install the package use the -e or --control option on
dpkg. The -x or --extract option will extract the rest of the contents.
Luck,
Dwarf
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