mail progress
OK, some progress: I can now send outgoing mail. seems the university stopped accepting outgoing mail at mailhub., which they previously wanted used, and only take it through the pop-[123] servers. I can send out, but when i try to send in, it gets bounce by the system, as follows: --- Forwarded Message Received: from eyry.econ.iastate.edu (eyry.econ.iastate.edu [129.186.32.221]) by pop-3.iastate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11839 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:41:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: by eyry.econ.iastate.edu via smail with bsmtp id [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:11:03 -0500 (CWT) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:11:03 -0500 (CWT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mail failed, returning to sender Reference: m0ypia7-000sffC@ X-UIDL: 719ebbadcfb1d03d85694d22dacf4e6d |- Failed addresses follow: -| [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... transport smtp: 501 EHLO requires a host name or domain literal as operand |- Message text follows: | Received: from pv2087.vincent.iastate.edu (really [129.186.32.135]) by eyry.econ.iastate.edu via smail with smtp id m0ypia7-000sffC@ (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for unknown; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:11:03 -0500 (CWT) Received: by pv2087.vincent.iastate.edu with SMTP with sendmail-5.65v3.2 id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:41:14 -0500 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TEST 33 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:41:14 CDT From: Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [body not included] --- End of Forwarded Message -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mail woes after reinstall
ARGH!!! Yesterday mornign, I let unstable update itself. Once more, the mail was clobhered. Since I had an hour or two, and there were odd things about the disk, i decided it woudl be a good time to wipe the disk. Eventually, I figured out that most of my troubles comes from my maxtor 8.4 not liking an 83 bus speed at all. Id known that it didn't like it with dma3, but life became easier. Stil, though, I don't have mail runnign again. I couldn't get smail working for the life of me. (I'm sorry about the line breaks; i'm doing this from the command line over telnet). I managed to get sendmail partway, but not completely, working. It will send to the machine itself, but not offsite, and won't receive mail from offsite. I've tried with without the null host ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I'm stumped I'd appreciate a cc to this adress ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); i'm still not clear on what's going where, even though I think this adress will receive the digest. rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
more on the mail problem
Upon more fiddling, I find that sendmail is listening on port 25, and mailq informs me that there have been attempts at communication: eyry:/home/hawk# mailq Mail Queue (8 requests) --Q-ID-- --Size-- -Q-Time- Sender/Recipient QAA015758 Thu Jun 25 16:43 hawk hawk QAA015816 Thu Jun 25 16:43 hawk inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] QAA023405 Thu Jun 25 16:53 root [EMAIL PROTECTED] QAA015954 Thu Jun 25 16:45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] QAA023563 Thu Jun 25 16:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] QAA02349 12 Thu Jun 25 16:54 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] QAA0230331263 Thu Jun 25 16:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8BITMIME [EMAIL PROTECTED] QAA016280 Thu Jun 25 16:48 hawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] eyry:/home/hawk# so why aren't they talking? mail neither goes in nor out, but attempts in either direction are duly logged. I just don't get it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
smail gone made
Yesterday I upgraded some packages, including smail. Coming in this morning, there was no new mail, which is more than a little odd. Apparently smail was no longer running; trying to stop the daemon failed. I restarted it, and mail begain appearing. But Every message is accompanied by an error message like this: Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON Received: from eyry.econ.iastate.edu by eyry.econ.iastate.edu with bsmtp id m0xgQQN-001GvWC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:26:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:26:19 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: real-hawk Subject: mail failed, sending to address owner Reference: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Failed addresses follow: -| -user ... failed: unknown user /usr/local/mh/lib/slocal ... failed: transport file: failed to open output file: No such file or directory |- Message text follows: | Received: from zen.via.ecp.fr ([138.195.130.71]) by eyry.econ.iastate.edu with esmtp (ident root using rfc1413) id m0xgQPs-001Gvga (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:25:48 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by zen.via.ecp.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA01421 for lyx-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:40:01 -0500 From: David L. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Lehigh University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LyX Developers List lyx@via.ecp.fr Subject: dlj0-971212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lyx@via.ecp.fr [body not included] what in the world is a reference to /usr/local/mh/lib/slocal doing in the package? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: AMD K6
I have heard of some problems with AMD K6 Anyone to comment? The reason is because I have a K6 200 right beside me. :) There was a minor bug that was fixed some months ago. In repeated compiles, it would attempt to execute an occasional instruction twice. THis has been fixed, and all of the current chips do not have this problem. the change occurs at stepping b9733 or so. If set to compile 100 times, it would typically fail on a few. Also, there were some problems with people not supplying proper voltages, etc. Many older motherboards don't support the k6 voltages. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
more on that smail problem
hmm, I now also noticed that there is a file @ in my home directory, which is a symbolic link to the current message in exmh. I don't think this used to be the case. and after a reboot, the smail daemon had to be manually started again. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: smail gone made
David Guadine wrotem, I had to rerun smail-config and specify using a daemon instead of an inet.d entry. (I got that from reading debian-devel.) But, apparently you were already using a daemon; there's obviously something here I don't understand, but try what I did anyway. Just tried this, but no dice. I'm still getting the error messages. But I find the reference to /usr/local/mh/lib/slocal suspicious, as I don't think debian packages use /usr/local at all, do they? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem
err, just pwd should do it rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
staroffice libc5
When I try to run the setup for StarOffice, I get a eyryttyp4:hawk/usr/lib/StarOffice-3.1/setup StarOffice3.1 Installation Tool Segmentation fault Today I saw a posting in a nesgroup claiming that a minimum of libc5-5.4.38 is necessary. Debian seems to stop at .33. However, there's enough traffic here about it that it must somehow be possible. could someone give me a hint? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: staroffice libc5
Bob Nielsen wrote, I think the requirement is : 5.4.4. In anycase, it works fine for me with 5.4.33. The next magic question, is are you using hamm or bo, and should it make a difference? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: trashed partitions [was: problems installing
On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for you... What happens to the Linux partitions sitting in a extended partition if the extended partition gets accidently _trashed_? (like from a virus) I assume it does the same thing as trashing a primary partition ... FUBAR Luck, Thanks, the thought here is that if a partition is a primary Linux partition rather than a Linux partition sitting in a DOS extended partition, perhaps a virus looking for DOS partitions will leave the LINUX partitions alone. Whereas, viruses would recognise the extended partition as a DOS partition and reek havoc on the DOS, thus trashing any Linux partition residing within. I set out this morning to zero out some hard disks i'm returning. I deleted all of the partitions, made single new partitions covering the entire disks, and remounted. The file systems were intact, and the files were still there, even though the partitions were different sizes. So maybe you're not fubar if the extended gets trashed; just put a new primary where the linux fs was, and see what you get. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
kernel sound defaults wrong?
After playing for an extended period with the default settings, I finally figured out why my sound card wouldn't work: the defaults in the kernel package use Irq 7 rather than 5. Isn't 5 the standard on this? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel sound defaults wrong?
jen jorgensen wrote, standard? Surely you jest. Yeah, it's also the standard for a lot of other ISA cards whose manufacturer decided that 5 should be the standard IRQ for their board. I believe this myth has originated because the Creative Labs Soundblaster board factory-defaults to an IRQ of 5. This by no means makes it a standard. Since there are only 15 IRQs on the Intel (AT) platform and closer to half of them are actually usable by add-on boards, there can't ever be a standard on a given board (or board-type, eg. sound card) using a certain IRQ. Granted there are tendencies one sees among manufacturers. OK, standard is way to strong :) But isn't 5 a strong tendency? my $10 board doesn't even *have* a setting to change irq's . . . and it doesn't tell me what or where they are, either. [i don't really need sound, but for $10 for speakers and $10 for the board, why not? and now exmh beeps me for new mail :) ] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
twin again
I got somewhat farther in hunting down twin, and some advice from their side. It seems that there are libc functions not present in our version. Particularly, unsigned int * _dl_find_hash(char *, char *, int , char *, int); ^^^ and for (erp = _dl_loaded_modules; erp; erp = erp-next) Is there a way to add these somehow? and some of the comments seemed to hint that these would be present in redhat. rick --- End of Forwarded Message -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 3FA: ???
Run liloconfig, and answer the questions it asks you appropriately. Is this the right program? all three questions are yes/no types, rather than allowing me to change them. It wants to use /dev/hda3, /, for boot, and has no option to change to /dev/hda1. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: URGENT: installation problem
I forget where current is linked, but isn't it to unstable? Anyway, here is my solution: 1) boot dos off a floppy with networking, and use dos fdisk. Make a dos partition where you want your swap partition. 2) go to an ftp, and cd /debian/stable/disks-i386 download resc1440.bin, drv1440.bin, and base1_3.tgz, and rawrite2.exe into the dos/swap partition. 3) use rawrite to make rhe resc1440 disk. 4) boot go through installation, but skip the swap at the beginning. You will probably have to advance from stage to stage manually, rather than relying on the correcct defaults (i think it will keep trying to do the swap). *DO NOT* use linux fdisk to delete this swap partition! I didn't believe this warning, and had to go through a format/unformat sequence on both os's to fix things. Also note that after you tell it that the drivers are on /dev/hda2, this directory stays mounted. so when it asks where to find the base files, the answer is on the already mounted file system /instmount [i'd call this a bug, as it's not intuitive]. 5) reboot under dos. run fdisk to remove the partition 6) reboot under debian. AFter entering the new root password, but before using dselect when it's offered, use alt-f2 to switch screens. Login as root, and use fdkisk to create the swap partition. after making it, you can use option t to change from type ext2 to type swap (82, iirc). then type swapon /dev/hda2 (assuming it was the second partition). 7) edit /etc/fstab to add the line /dev/hda2 noneswapsw 0 0 so that your swap will be automounted in the future. 8) alt-f1 will take you back to the first screen, and you may happily choose which packages you want. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: MacIntosh diskettes
How can I configure a Debian 1.3.1 box to read and write on/to Mac diskettes and which programs can I use ? You can't. The pc type drive is physically incapable of handling the mac format. The solution is to use pc format disks, which both the mac linux can read write. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
3FA: ???
I've seen the 1FA business before, but now that I've managed to move my file system over to my new drive, and lilo'd it, I get a 3FA: after the hardware check. The key sequence A1 (i think) will get me to LILO, which will boot if left alone. I checked and I'm not touching the keys as it boots. /hda1 is /boot, which contains the kernel, and /hda3 is /, which is well past 1024 sectors. How do I get rid of this? It would be nice to go back to being able to boot without intervention :) rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
lilo to prepare new hd on floppyless system
My new drive came, and i'm trying to do a fresh install, as some stuff got tossed in strange places a few months ago. I've already found that base-files.deb won't install onto a raw file system, so I have the .tgz untarring at the moment (gee, this maxtor is louder than i expected). ANd the only .tgz I could find wa sin bo, which I had to download 4 times--though i think it was two different files.. hmm, i still get the same message that no such file or directory. anyway, the problem is going to be lilo. I don't have a floppy (one arrives in a few days) from which to boot. I need to tell it to install lilo onto /dev/hdc, but write that this is /dev/hda, and that it should take the image at /dev/hda1/vmlinuz, with a root of /dev/hdc3. Ive found the man page, but it's not clear as to exactly what is affected by changing the root--it looks like if i try to put it onto /dev/hdc, it will then try to boot from there, even after i move it to the primary controller. ANd I only get one shot at this, or i have to wait until the new floppy arrives to use the system at all. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
moving apache from slackware to debian tools
I've figured out enough of where everything is to get the web server running, and it indeed comes up with the pages correctly. However, I don't have the tool type of file working for some reason. Instead of executing, their text merely loads. And these are generally suid scripts; these are to manage mail accounts and such. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
making a master hard disk for installation
hmm, the on again, off-again linux/486/xterminal project seems on again :) What we're doing is turning 486's into xterminals for our alphas. They'll only have about 8mb, and from 80-200 of hd, but what the heck :) I have seized control of some spare drives, and want to dedicate a 200mb hard drive as an installation disk. I figure to attach it with a second ide controller, which will be permanently assigned to the disk. What I'm thinking is to have a small dos partition, with enough to for loadlin, resc.bin and drvrs.bin, then to put the rest on an ext2 partition. So installing would be a matter of 1) pull cover, add memory and/or drive, add installation drive. 2) boot from the existing dos, and use loadlin to read in resc drvr. 3) mount the ex2 partition. Or can I change /etc/fstab in root.bin to automount /dev/hdc2?? 4) go through rest of installation. 5) run dpkg on the rest of the .deb files. Or, would it be easier to simply make the root.bin, and leave the installation drive served up as nfs? Or, to simply copy the whole file system, as the only differences between the systems will be their IP/names, ram hd size, and the amount of ram on the video card (hey, they're apex. Bought at the same time, and all slightly different. Even found a 540 drive in one posing as a 200 . . .) rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: video problems
I sent a note about this problem a week or so ago and got back some mailer daemon error messages so I'm not sure it made it. I apologize if this is a duplication. I'm having trouble with xdm. Every couple times the user exits the window manager, the machine hangs with a black screen and red and blue vertical lines. The only thing to do at this point is a hard reboot. This has happened with a range of kernels (now it's using 2.0.32) so it seems to me that either the video card (an S3 Virge) or the driver is at fault. Does anyone know what the problem might be? Again, this doesn't happen every time. I'd say once in ever 5 or 6 tries. Thanks, I'm seeing this regularly, with a Kelvin 64 pci video card. A flashing blue red? and the lcd says my monitor is switching back forth between the 1024x768 and regular svga. It happens every time the window manager shuts down, though it didn't used to. I'm about ready to add a reboot as part of logout :) anyway, i've found that i can reboot with the 3 finger salute during the blank (non X) part of the flash; at least this preserves the fs and dismounts properly. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: outgoing faces???
Do her grandparents have a un*x box?! Why not just send it as an attachment? Doh! I should have thought of that. I'd assumed for some reason that xfases was mime, rather than part of x. grr. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
twin again
I've found some more information out since the last post, and Bruce's suggestions. It seems that the items not found by configure are only needed for some other specific systems, and that these are not a problem. THere is a problem, though, in that twin's debugger is still using two functions not in the linux libc. specifically, unsigned int * _dl_find_hash(char *, char *, int , char *, int); and for (erp = _dl_loaded_modules; erp; erp = erp-next) From the twin list, it was suggested that these could be made to use dladdr instead. But by this point, I'm in way over my head. Is there a way to provide these two functions somehow? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
outgoing faces???
In a fit of cleverness, I used a digital camera to take my daughters picture to send in an email as an xface to her granparents. However, as I go through the manpage for xfaces, and the help preferences for exmh, I can only find instructions for receiving, not sending. Can someone point me to where I need to look? thanks rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xfree with a Diamond Stealth II ?
does anyone have an idea which card I should select in XF86Setup? I really would like to use a resolution like 1024*769 in 32bit color - is this possible with the X-SVGA server - or du I need to install anotherone? If you click on the advanced options after you choose your card in XF86Setup, it will tell you which drive it thinks that card should use. Or, use xf86Setup instead, which is text-based, but allows you to specifically tell it whgich colors modes to use. however, in either case, it should automatically be defaulting to the best available resolution and bpp. however, i'l also note that I've had problems with nonsensical modes being selected at times; I've chosen, for example, monitor can do 1280x1024 at 60hz, and it selects modes outside of the valid range. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
NFS POP-3 HowTo's?
I assume these exist. I read instructions for NFS a couple of summers ago. But I can't find them, and the man page for NFS is only instructions for /etc/fstab. Are there HowTo's for these hding somewhere? I want pop-3 to get the messages from another machine (in my office) for the rest of the family over the dynamic-ip machine at home, and to mount my own mail directory over pppnfs, so that my messages stay on the office machine. As well as setting up nfs so my machine will share a directory to our workstations. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: K6 and Debian (and heatsinks)
frank wrote, Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote They work wonderfully. I have a k6-166 running at 210/83 quite happilly. However, it needs some cooling at this speed; until i get something more than this cheesy $2 fan, I need to keep the side off to compile (but not at 166/66). How is the heatsink (between the fan and the CPU, right?) attached to the CPU? Are you using heatsink compound (thermal compound, heatsink grease) between the heatsink and the CPU? I used a $2 tube of heat sink compound from radio shack. And, for the moment, an audio cassette tape to prob up the fan, as it slides down (board is upright in the tower). I just added a second case fan, blowing down from the top half of the case, and this with a cheesy fan now seems to be enough--I closed the case, and it's done a couple of kernel compiles so far. It seems that the front case fan isn't doing much--it doesn't seem to blow much air at all, but then it's partway blocked from it's mounting hardware, and really doesn't have a good source to draw from. Maybe I'll move it to the top of the case to blow more air in. Hmm, now that I'm stable at 210/83, maybe I should play with voltage and go for 250 :) Does anyone have any experience with this? In the old days, voltage regulators and power transistors and such hot-running ICs usually were not just attached to their heatsinks bare, but were smeared with heatsink/thermal compound first in order to provide better heat transfer than a bare connection would provide. yes, do this. It was the difference between running stably and not. However, I have gathered that the typical CPU heatsink is just put on bare. Is this just laziness on the part of assemblers or is there some legitimate reason to think the heatsink compound is not needed with CPUs? Laziness. It should really be there. It makes a better thermal connection. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
building twin
There was some discussion about this a couple of months ago, but with a 486, as well as a configuration that let me play with it without compiling, I didn't follow everything. Now I'm trying to build it, and during configure get:| checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... (cached) no checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... (cached) no which packages should these be in? (I'm running hamm). I've searched on alta vista and on the twin page for references to debian twin, and for ldnet in an appropriate context, but no dice. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: K6 and Debian, and fans
Hammish wrote, On Wed, Nov 26, 1997 at 02:15:49PM +0600, Rick Hawkins wrote: They work wonderfully. I have a k6-166 running at 210/83 quite happilly. However, it needs some cooling at this speed; until i get something more than this cheesy $2 fan, I need to keep the side off to compile (but not at 166/66). What, it runs fine at 166 without a fan at all? I run mine at 180/60 (best this board can do) but not without a fan thanks ... For all intents and purposes, yes. It's ina full tower case, so the silly little fand that cames with ti slides down about 1/5 the chip before catching on the socket. With just that fan (which is close to without), it ran fine at 2.5x66=166, including compiling the kernel. And it would run at 2x83 without a problem. Adding heat sink compound and a fan in the lower case, along with a cassette case to prop the fan to cover the whole chip, and it's happy at 2.5x83 = 210. However, if i close the case, it sig11's a while into kernel compiles (and when I remove that side of the case, i can feel the extra heat.) I have another fan waiting to install in the upper case, though i'm toying with mouting it between the upper lower, or using cardboard to force the airpat teo the bottom. (or a 3d fan when i get a chance to pick one up, to do both). IO'm also toyin with reversing the flow on the lower fan to blow out instead of in, as the heat buildup is noticable. And I'm planning on getting a hard-core fan for the cpu, but before i figured that out, one morning ULN was offering the 166 for $99, and i snapped it up before they changed their mind (the next day, i think). Mind you I think my Quantum HD runs hotter than the CPU. Gee, I haven't picked one of those yet :) I'm thinking of the 7.0 or 8.4 maxtor. Currently, it's running with 4 wold western digital drives from the attempt to make a linux server (the hardware guy who was supporting this has left :( ). 410 mb on /, 500 on /usr, 200b on /usr/src, and another 200 waiting . . . rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I'm an idiot and sed proves it...
Dale wrote, It seems that none of the solutions presented allowed sed to find and replace the -newline character pair. Now that it's phrased that way, a memory arises. I was trying to make filters to make articles posted to a mailing list readable a while back (my ISN hardware would freeze on a ^S with bit 8 high, which is a quote in one of the character sets). Anyway, there were a couple of filterings that I couldn't do, as sed seemed to ignore certain combinations that it generated. The solution was two filters: cat rawfile | sed -f filter1 | sed -f filter2 which solved my problems. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
elf-x11r6lib
I'm getting dependencies on this,which claims not to exist on debian's ftp site. Is there somewhere to get it? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: elf-x11r6lib
No, elf-x11r6lib doesn't exist, any package that depends on it should have a bug reported against it. OK, where do i look for ino on this, and check to see that it's not already done? I know that there's bugtracking, but i haven't paid much attention. It's xforms.86, by the way. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: K6 and Debian
They work wonderfully. I have a k6-166 running at 210/83 quite happilly. However, it needs some cooling at this speed; until i get something more than this cheesy $2 fan, I need to keep the side off to compile (but not at 166/66). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: K6 and Debian
Can someone give me (or point me to) info on which chips are affected? steppings 9731 (or so) and earlier. These are no longer on the market, and AMD replaces them for linux users and others who could really be affected. (It's really hard to trigger the bug; compile the kernel 100 times or so and you'll see it a couple of times). rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: installation question
intallation telling which disk to choose in intalll Debian? I want to intall Debian in disk D but I am afraid of losing the old win95 data on disk C. Before I am sure about this, I don't dare to proceed. Anyone cares D in linux parlance is likely to be /dev/hdb, but check it out. At some point, it'll ask you to create a linux partition or something, at which point you specify that you want to use your second hard disk. What is important is not to use /dev/hda, which is drive c: If oth drives are on the same controller, d is /dev/hdb, while it will bee /dev/hdc if it is on the second controller, if you even have one. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
zip boot disk?
TO my happy surprise, this old fdomain 1610 scsi controller is happy as a peach at an 83mhz bus (it's an EISA card). And it happily talks with the scsi zip drive I bought for a mac last year.The floppy drive didn't seem to survive the transistion to the new board (they're old, wiht unabled pins. I asked our tech guy which way to mount the cable, and he said he just plugged 'em in, and switched if they didn't work . . .) SO I have no floppy, 4 hard drives, and a zip disk, with a motherboard that can boot off scsi from the bios. I'd like to make a bootable zip disk, with a self-contained file system. Given that I have a running system, is this a matter of installing the base package with the --root option, then switching to /zip/dev and running ./MAKEWDEV ? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
followed links in netscape?
I finally have netscape 3.01 installed and working. But my links don't show as followd; there is no difference between used new links. Expiration is set at 9 days. any ideas? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Communicator 4.
I've installed communicator 4.03 successfully on my debian 1.3.1, 2.0.30 kernel system and all works fine. I would like to know what the advantage is to using the installer package rather than the install script that comes with the communicator package from netscape. I know that dselect won't offer any options for the package, but are there further advantages to installing as a *.deb package? you can also UNinstall it as a *.deb package. I apparently installed 3.0 somewhere along the way, and now i can't use 301 or 403, as it left files around that newer versions find and complain about--version 3.01 but resources are 3.0 and the like. And I can't find these old ones to delete them. Also, debian installers will put files in debianish places rather than where their own installers would rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
netscape resource problem fixed! w[as:Re: Communicator 4.
The only advantage I know of is that netscape does some stupid things when installing, among them placing files in ~root/.netscape/ that should go in $MOZILLA_HOME/.netscape/ - other than that, I can't really see any advantages (which reminds me that I should submit as a bug against this package the fact that java didn't work right off; I had to make certain MOZILLA_HOME was set when running netscape) ah-HAH! deleting /root/.netscape solved the problem with the error messages telling me that version 3.0 resources were installed! rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X startup problems
What's the deal with xdm? My understanding was that that was the program used to login under X, without having to login from a console and then issue a startx command. During installation I told the program I wanted to start X with xdm; I see a message when I boot about xdm being started, and then I log in to a console. Then if I try to use startx like I'm used to, I get a bunch of error messages about some missing socket thing (I'm not at home right now so I can't quote the exact error), then I get an error message about not finding xinit. Anybody know what I did wrong, or what I need to do? if xdm is running, you should be getting an xconsole, with no need for startx. however, startx can be usefull for debugging. type /etc/init.d/xdm stop to kill the running xdm. I've had that missingsocket message on two diffeernet machiens from using the wrong xserver--i believe that SVGA will support almost anything, but using another server on a bcard i t t doesn't support will cause either the behavior you see, or a blinking console rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: netscape installation
Hello, Being brandnew to Debian, I am having lots of trouble getting netscape3.01. I first tried under dselect and got a error (1?), then tried ftp to both debian (contrib) and netscape. I can't find it anywhere. I then went back to dselect and started from the top of the menu and followed each step. It showed netscape as under broken-contribution (if memory serves me right). What can I try next, or what have I missed? You need to get the file netscape-v301-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz from netscape. you will need to work you way through the download site. do *not* get v302, v304, etc. It is in the archive section, i believe, rather than the current sections. Then move this file to /tmp, and dpkg --configure netscape and it will install the netscape package. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [DEBIAN] Problem on filtering messages from the list
I suggest you sort on X-Mailing-List: rather than To: Yes, using characters out of To: does seem kind of pointless. THere's plenty of filtering software out there. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: daild setup
john scroggins asked, i am having a time setting up my ppp connection ... i want to run daild but i cannot seem to be able to configure it ... i continue to get various error messages as follows diald[182] you must define the remote ip address daild[182] you must define the local ip address diald[182] terminating due to damaged reconfigure following that is (network audio system) starting base netwk daemons: rpc.portmap xinetd fatal server error: could not create audio connection block info i'm new to linux and have no idea where to go from here ... please help ]I just got these when i upgraded from 1.3.1 to hamm. It seems that a couple of files get whacked in the process. some are deliberately moved, but the package doesn't seem to get all of the information it needs. What type of PPP are you using? is it PAP? If so, i can probably help, just havingsucessfully fought this. If no. . . :) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
finding orphaned files
I recall a discussion about finding orphaned files a couple of months ago. Particularly, hunting down things in /usr/bin, /usr/lib that got installed from outside of debian packages. But i don't remember what the solution was. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Diamond stealth 2500 X setup
My new video card has arrived, a diamond stealth video 2500. I've tried to run XF86Setup, but am not getting anything usable. I tell it which card, and for monitor have tried both the can do 1280x1024 at 60hx, and actually entering the ranges for my machine, 30-66 and 55-130. It successfully starts the xserver, though it's a grey with black speckles, and the speckles stay when the dialogs for xvidtune come up. After saving, i try to startx, but get a .xsession-errors of pv3439.vincent being added to access control list pv2086.vincent being added to access control list pv2087.vincent being added to access control list pv2079.vincent being added to access control list pv217a.vincent being added to access control list pv21f2.vincent being added to access control list eyry.econ being added to access control list hawkins.econ being added to access control list pv2102.vincent being added to access control list [1] 228 [2] 229 xterm: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server :0.0 xterm: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server :0.0 and the scrollby messages are XFree86 Version 3.3.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: August 4 1997 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.0.21 i486 [ELF] Configured drivers: S3: accelerated server for S3 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) newmmio, mmio_928, s3_generic (using VT number 7) XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: rules: xfree86 (**) XKB: model: pc101 (**) XKB: layout: us (**) XKB: options: ctrl:nocaps (**) Mouse: type: Microsoft, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) S3: Graphics device ID: Primary Card (**) S3: Monitor ID: Primary Monitor (--) S3: Mode 512x384 needs vert refresh rate of 97.39 Hz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode 320x240 needs vert refresh rate of 120.13 Hz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode 320x200 needs vert refresh rate of 139.89 Hz. Deleted. (--) S3: Mode 1024x768 needs hsync freq of 64.71 kHz. Deleted. (**) FontPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi *** None of the configured devices were detected.*** Fatal server error: no screens found When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 giving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. These don't seem to be the same modes as xvidtune received. However, if i put the old stealth vram card in, and run through the setup, I get a configuration that works on it (but not the 2500). I reallly have no idea what to do at this point. (hmm, and why isn't emacs wrapping my lines???) rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
artifacts with diamond 2500
OK, Ive gotten it working. Turns out that for some reason it wasn't changing the default xserver to svga, but leaving it at S3. But Now I have artifacts. Lots of them. ANd many of them scroll in windows. I've got white ones, blue ones, and black ones. Forcing the redraw of a window helps somewhat, but these things are kind extreme--there's thousands of them. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: can't load library
this error only happened after upgrading to libc6, which i did by following the instructions in the mini-howto. does this mean i have to upgrade all of X also? brad Well, you probably should, even though this error doesn't mean that you need to. Check your /etc/ld.so.conf file and make sure it contains /usr/X11R6/lib I found it necessary to upgrade all of X when I went to libc6. SOme of the pieces just didn't seem to like one antohter. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
netscape libraries error
parts of my new machine have arrived at the office, so now it's fast enough to be more than an xterminal (this isn't the same machine that's having the troubles with PAP/PPP). So I installed netscape. But I get the message, yryttyp1:hawknetscape netscape: program is version 3.01, but resources are version 3.0. This means that there is an inappropriate `Netscape' file installed in the app-defaults directory. Check these environment variables and the directories to which they point: $XAPPLRESDIR $XFILESEARCHPATH $XUSERFILESEARCHPATH Also check for this file in your home directory, or in the directory called `app-defaults' somewhere under /usr/lib/. eyryttyp1:hawk I've never had version 3.0; this is right after an install. I encounterd this a couple of months ago; some days it worked, other days it gave this message. But since it was running on a 486 even when it worked, there was no point in continuing . . . rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
compile problems on new k6
I cheerfully set out to compile a new kernel on my new k6. fast. wow. but i'm getting odd messages during make zImage: gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586 -c -o inode.o inode.c gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 6 make[3]: *** [inode.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30/fs/minix' make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30/fs/minix' make[1]: *** [sub_dirs] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30/fs' make: *** [linuxsubdirs] Error 2 cpp: output pipe has been closed I simply moved the drives from the 486 to this machine, which runs them at pio(?)3. If I tell it to make zImage again, it gets farther each time--until it tells me that the x86 has no ret function. hmm, as i write this, the next one was a sig11. maybe i'm not coooled enough to run this 166 at 200 (el-cheapo fan that came with it). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PAP PPP, take 3
From the log you included in your message I see that another peer does not respond to anything except echo-requests. I don't know what stage you are on though, could you please send the complete log. (I don't see, for example, how pap authorization came through) here's /etc/ppp.chatscript. ABORTBUSY ABORTNO CARRIER ABORTVOICE ABORTNO DIALTONE ATDT113,86632280 CONNECT and /etc/ppp.options_out defaultroute /dev/modem 38400 persist and /etc/ppp/pap_secrets # This is a pap-secrets file to be used with the AUTO_PPP function of mgetty # mgetty-0.99 is preconfigured to startup pppd with the login option which # will cause pppd to consult /etc/passwd after a user has passed this file # Dont be disturbed therfore by the fact that this file defines logins with # any password for users. /etc/passwd will catch passwd mismatches. # # This file should block ALL users that should not be able to do AUTO_PPP! # AUTO_PPP bypasses the usual login program so its necessary to list all # system userids with regular passwords here! # # ATTENTION: The definitions here can allow users to login without a # password if you dont use the login option of pppd! # The /etc/ppp/options file installed has the login option enabled # INBOUND connections # Every regular user can use PPP and has to use passwords from /etc/passwd * nest.econ # UserIDs that cannot use PPP at all. Check your /etc/passwd and add any # other accounts that should not be able to use pppd! guest nest.econ * - master nest.econ * - rootnest.econ * - support nest.econ * - stats nest.econ * - # OUTBOUND connections # Here you should add your userid password to connect to your providers via # pap. The * means that the password is to be used for ANY host you connect # to. Thus you do not have to worry about the foreign machine name. Just # replace password with your password. # If you have different providers with different passwords then you better # remove the following line. hawk*password i'm sorry about any formatting problems; i'm having to do this throught windows' telnet on a bad connection to get textinsert. most featurs and escape sequnces are missing, and there's a minute-long lags attimes. . . are these all of the files? I haven't found an y file with a PASSIVE as john suggested. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PAP PPP, take 3
we should have started with posting your files :) defaultroute /dev/modem 38400 persist for pppd being able to understand which line in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets to use. AH-HAH!yes, this did it. thank you, thankyou, thank you. I'm now connected through the isp. Should this be part of the installation script, then? I also noticed that /etc/ppp.chatscript and ppp.options_out are permission 600. shouldn't they be 640, with permission to some group, such as dialout? and /etc/ppp/pap_secrets I hope you meant pap-secrets, not pap_secrets. yep. i had to pop it over to the dos partition in an 8.3, reboot, etc. .. john suggested. You should also DEFINITELY have /etc/ppp/options file! If you do have it, then adding user hawk will do the trick. yep, i do have one, though i've never touched it. I'd assumed that /etc/options_out had replaced it. thanks again rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
no write permissions for /tmp
hmm. after putting my new pieces together, i've lost write permissions in /tmp lyx can't create its temporary directory, emacs sometimes gets a permission denied to make /tmp/emacs when sending mail, and exmh has similar problems: error while autoloading Cache_Init: can't create directory /tmp/.webtkcache: permission denied while executing gee, I have lots of questions this week :) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: how to reduce colors used by netscape?
I am using a program that requires several colors available to operate ptoperly. For example, if netscape is open and I use the other program, whenever I enter its window with the mouse pointer, all the colors outside that window change. do you need the programs at the same time? If you use netscape with the -install option, it uses a private color map; it will not consume any colors from other applications. however, the solor map is switched away as you enter/exit netscape. From your description, the other program may already be doing this. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: unstable. How?
I just totally give up with this. Running debian 1.3.1 from CD but now I feel I need to delve into unstable again (always happens). Thing is, unstable has moved dir`s in the distribution and I`ll be damned if I can get the right entries into dpkg-ftp to download from it. What paths do I put in? No matter what do , either it can`t get the package file (once updated) or can`t find the files I want to d`load. try /debian/hamm/hamm I couldn't find the symlink for unstable last night. For that matter, dselect could get a listing of hamm when getting the list of availalbe files, but not when trying to install them. I assume that I was logging inabout the same time as somethign was updating the site. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: no write permissions for /tmp
Bob asked, Did you perhaps restore from backup? If for example you use tar, permissions on files created (including /tmp) are affected by umask. Root's default umask is 022 which blocks out write permission for group and others. Two ways to avoid this are: set umask to zero before restoring or use the -p option on tar. While inside /tmp, I untarred netscape. could this have done? /tmp had permissions of 751, which i've changed to 1777 which seems to help. hmm, and theowners and group were 888 and 999, which i've changed back to root. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: compile problems on new k6
Olivier THaran wrote, tells me that the x86 has no ret function. hmm, as i write this, the next one was a sig11. maybe i'm not coooled enough to run this 166 at 200 (el-cheapo fan that came with it). It clearly means that, if you overclocked your K6, the hardware is so stressed during a kernel compilation that it does not stand it -- no kidding. Go to http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ to have a really good explanation of what your problem could be. Yep, it was heat. It would do a kernel compile at 2.5*66=166 without a problem, but not at 200. I pulled the sdram for 32mb of cheap fpm, and now it runs at 83. It would run indefinitely at 166, but with lots of sig11's. I put another fan in the front of the case, got thermal compound, and it's real happy at 210 (2.5*83). Until I put the case on . . . But this is just the cheap fan that came with it; i'm going to shell out for a good fan/heatsink. And I have another fan for the top of the case' i'm still deciding whether to put it up top in the mounts, or to run a rack to have it blow into the lower half of the tower. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PAP PPP, take 3
To see N last lines do: tail -N /var/log/messages Well, just as I thought, ppp is not started on the other end. I suggest you to call this number in minicom, see the login: or something similar prompt, respond to them. You would see then some othe kind of prompt, like BLA-BLA or some garbage on the screen. If you see the prompt and not garbage, type pppenter or something else until you finally see garbage which would mean that ppp is started there. Remember what you had to do to start it and put everything in /etc.chatscript. THe prompt that this brings up is login: however, it is set to disconnect anyone trying to login. should ppp at this prompt do something? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PAP PPP, take 3
Is there a way to get it to keep the whole log, rather than the last 20 or so entries? I haven't found it yet. To see N last lines do: tail -N /var/log/messages ok, i thought that these were being put somewhereelse forsomereason.NN Well, just as I thought, ppp is not started on the other end. I suggest you to call this number in minicom, see the login: or something similar prompt, respond to them. You would see then some othe kind of prompt, like BLA-BLA or some garbage on the screen. If you see the prompt and not garbage, type pppenter or something else until you finally see garbage which would mean that ppp is started there. Remember what you had to do to start it and put everything in /etc.chatscript. this is where the problem is. PPP is the only way to connect to the ISP, and they only use Internet Explorer. THey know nothing about how to work this. On dialin, I get: CONNECT somespeed/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS login: However, nothing I try works. Any entry at this line triggers a logoff message. WHatever it is that the dialup program that comes with Internet Explorerer sends works fine out of the box. But I can't figure out what it sends. I've tried hooking up my old tandy 102 to a serial port to play modem, but I'm not having nmuch luck. It starts with ATE1V111, to which I try to reply OK, but this only worked one time out of 20 or 230, and i can't figure out what i did differently. That One time, it gave me an ATDTnumber, to whihc i tried to reply CONNECT So what exactly should i be typing to mimic a modem. Is OKfollowed by CR, LF, or a combination? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
PAP PPP, take 3
I've bumped the debug level, as suggested. It gives me all kinds of messages, which make absolutely no sense to me :( I've clipped them, in pieces (still haven't figured out how to increase plog's length). This all is after the notice that the ppp connection has been made, but before it works. rick Nov 17 11:52:10 nest pppd[995]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 mru 1500 asyncmap 0 x0 magic 0x7a22c6e8 pcomp accomp] Nov 17 11:52:10 nest pppd[995]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 addr 192.0.2.1 com press VJ 0f 01] Nov 17 11:52:32 nest last message repeated 7 times Nov 17 11:52:35 nest pppd[995]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 7a 22 c6 e8] Nov 17 11:52:35 nest pppd[995]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 addr 192.0.2.1 com press VJ 0f 01] Nov 17 11:52:35 nest pppd[995]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 73 38 84 0c] Nov 17 11:52:38 nest pppd[995]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 addr 192.0.2.1 com press VJ 0f 01] Nov 17 11:52:41 nest pppd[995]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Nov 17 11:53:05 nest pppd[995]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1 7a 22 c6 e8] Nov 17 11:53:05 nest pppd[995]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 73 38 84 0c] Nov 17 11:52:32 nest last message repeated 7 times Nov 17 11:52:35 nest pppd[995]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 7a 22 c6 e8] Nov 17 11:52:35 nest pppd[995]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 addr 192.0.2.1 com press VJ 0f 01] Nov 17 11:52:35 nest pppd[995]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 73 38 84 0c] Nov 17 11:52:38 nest pppd[995]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 addr 192.0.2.1 com press VJ 0f 01] Nov 17 11:52:41 nest pppd[995]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Nov 17 11:53:05 nest pppd[995]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1 7a 22 c6 e8] Nov 17 11:53:05 nest pppd[995]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 73 38 84 0c] Nov 17 11:53:35 nest pppd[995]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x2 7a 22 c6 e8] Nov 17 11:53:35 nest pppd[995]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x2 73 38 84 0c] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PAP PPP, take 3
From the log you included in your message I see that another peer does not respond to anything except echo-requests. I don't know what stage you are on though, could you please send the complete log. (I don't see, for example, how pap authorization came through) Without the debugging, It goes like this: CONNECT--got it Serial Connection established Connect ppp0- /dev/modem ICIP: timeout sending Config-requests Connection terminated Is there a way to get it to keep the whole log, rather than the last 20 or so entries? I haven't found it yet. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
a bit more on that PPP PAP
It just occurred to me that I haven't set anything for PPP to tell it an initial route to the world, other than including the nameserver IP's in /etc. Is there something I should be setting in /etc/options_out? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
more PPP and PAP
I can't quite get this combination to work. changing /etc/ppp/pap so that the last line is now hawk * mypassword Don't you mean pap-secrets? err, yes :) I commented out the expect ogin: and expect word: ion ppp.chatscript, which instead gives me an alarm and a failure to connect. Change it to expect CONNECT as the last entry. ok, the last line is now CONNECT and 0 0 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP and PAP
trying again; i'mdialed in on a horrible university network . . . george bonsur wrote, On 15-Nov-97 Rick Hawkins wrote: I can't quite get this combination to work. changing /etc/ppp/pap so that the last line is now hawk * mypassword Don't you mean pap-secrets? err, yes :) This much failed to login as it attempted to respond to the login: prompt (which this isp doesn't allow). I commented out the expect ogin: and expect word: ion ppp.chatscript, which instead gives me an alarm and a failure to connect. Change it to expect CONNECT as the last entry. ok the last line is now CONNECT and and alex wrote, I assume I'm missing something obvious. You can't put comments into the chatscript. Remove all extra lines and try again. If it fails, look at the end of /var/log/messages for possible explanation. ok, i've removed those too. I now get as far as a ppp connection, but now plog reports, roughly (minicom doesn't seem to allow text paste) CONNECT--got it Serial Connection established Connect ppp0- /dev/modem ICIP: timeout sending Config-requests Connection terminated exit I have no idea what to change after reading the pppd manpage. . . Help!! rick - --- End of Forwarded Message --- End of Forwarded Message -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
that xdm upgrade problem
Another way to solve that blinking problem is to boot up from floppy, and edit /edc/X11/config to remove the xdm start line. Or login from another machine, if it has a network connection. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
PPP and PAP
I can't quite get this combination to work. My ISP uses PAP, and msoft's Internet Exporer connects rightout of the box (well, if you consider the Dark Side as working . . . :). I can dial up with pon, after: putting the numbers in /etc/ppp.chatscript adding user hawk to /etc/ppp.opetions_out changing /etc/ppp/pap so that the last line is now hawk * mypassword This much failed to login as it attempted to respond to the login: prompt (which this isp doesn't allow). I commented out the expect ogin: and expect word: ion ppp.chatscript, which instead gives me an alarm and a failure to connect. I assume I'm missing something obvious. rick --- End of Forwarded Message -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
pseudo-static IP for webserver?
I wish I knew enough about the details here to phrase this right, but anyway: I need to test software that uses a browser to control it. That is, news web accounts on the server are administratively controlled through web pages from other machines. (the server runs apache). To test this, I need to use a machine that has no access to the world other than a modem. So it needs to sit as a server, and also run a session on another machine running a browser to access the server (though preliminary testing could have the browser on the same machine). However, none of the local ISP's provide stack IP numbers. Is there any decent way to handle this? All i can think of is to change to the current IP on the remote machine every time . . . rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: other side of remote xdm
Joeey Hess wrote, My approach has been to add something like this to /etc/inittab: X:2:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/X -indirect foo Then you don't need to log into the local computer, X is started automatically on boot querying the server. And if X crashes, it is automatically restarted by init. So, if i understand this correctly, foo is the name of host, and the local client will pop up the login screen specified by foo? If so, this is exacly what I'm looking for. THanks. RIck -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: other side of remote xdm
We'd like to set up some boxes that come up as xterminals, to be used on the remote connections. I've found the -querey type options for startx, but not for xdm. We really just want to turn old hardware into remote heads on alphas. Can anyone make any suggestions? Let's call the computer that is supposed to be the X terminal 'local', and call the computer that it will connect to 'remote'. If you have xdm set up and running with the standard config files on 'remote', there should be no problem. On 'local', just run something like # X -query ip_of_remote The problem, though, is that this requires that a user already be logged into the local host. I need to find a way to use xdm, so that only the remote host is logged into. logins on the local host add another layer of complexity that those who allocate machines won't understand. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
other side of remote xdm
We'd like to set up some boxes that come up as xterminals, to be used on the remote connections. I've found the -querey type options for startx, but not for xdm. We really just want to turn old hardware into remote heads on alphas. Can anyone make any suggestions? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problems
I have tried to upgrade to the libc6 X. All was going alright apart from some ldso warnigs when I upgraded xlib6, most of which went away when I installed xlib6-altdev and installed xlib6g and xlib6g-dev. I upgraded all the other stuff and all seemed fine. Then I tried running X -query localhost as I usually do. I got the xdm prompt and logged in, then I started getting some of the fvwm2 stuff I have but then X stopped and I got back to the xdm prompt. I saw no other way but to downgrade to 3.3.4 Anybody has any idea as to what happened ? I had this for a day with my upgrade. You need to upgrade fvwm2 as well. Then all is well with the world again :) Additionally, I now get an xdm window whenever I boot up despite having the no-xdm-start-server in /etc/X11/config. This i can't even guess about . . . rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dpkg slackware?
I've just been given the goahead to take over a project, in which there are linux boxes being used about the state as mail servers and mail monitors. Currently, it all works, but is a set of kluges running slackware. Ultimately, the machines will be switched over to debian (or possibly redhat, but i doubt it), but as they are distributed throughout the state, reinstalling is not an option until we figure out how to do it remotely (and on the first try :). In the meantime, though, a priority is to get the proprietary software in a package that we can work with. Which leads to the magic question: what will it take to install dpkg on top of slackware? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: losing keys in fvwm2
Slap me if you've tried this, but turning numlock on in X does all sorts of funky things to alt and function keys. I often find (particularly using forms in netscape) that I turn on numlock, and then spend half an hour trying to figure out why my keyboard doesn't work anymore ... turn off numlock and it goes away. that's amazing . . . I wonder why i never noticed that silly green light . . . I suppose the relation to netscape is missing the page-up key . . . rick, who's never quite sure what those extra banks of keys are for, but thinks they'd go away if they put the control key back where God meant it to be . . . :) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
losing keys in fvwm2
There was some discussion of this a month or two ago, and I don't recall it coming to a conclusion. At times, the keystrokes for fvwm2 simply stop working. Particularly, alt-arrow to shift virtual screens, alt-f9 (to icocnify) and the like, and teh alt-click combinations to move windows forward/back. It alwasy seems to happen when netscape is being used, and particularly with multiple windows. However, I had it with a single window the other day. The only way I've found to get the mappings back is to log out and relogin--simply restarting fvwm doesn't seem to do it. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xfishtank
rob writes, Rick Hawkins writes: Has anyone else had a problem with this? It utterly hangs X, beyond restarting X. I can still telnet in, but halting the xdm daemon restarting isn't enough to recover the keyboard. For that matter, it requires an actual power down (but there are some strange hardware problems on this beast). rick I'm having a similar problem, but I think it's being caused by Netscape Communicator 4.02b7. I'm running X 3.3. I'm going to put a reboot/shutdown command on the menu, because that seems to stay alive. Maybe the Tcl/Tk script that wrapped shutdown would be another alternative. I've never had netscape installed; there's something beyond this. But if you can still use either mouse or keys, you're a step ahead of me :) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
kerberos debian
has anyone converted the mit kerberos packages to debian? I've taken a couple of not-so successful stabs (actually, for afs, but they're interwtined). Alien reports a gaggle of unusual executable locations while executing. Also, i'm worried about the lack of debian dependency information; as i understand it, there are some executables that need to be replaced with the mit versions. I had some success with installing the afs module, though I didn't get as far as getting it to launch itself on boot. But what i really need is kerberos, as i apparently can't access pop-3, or, more importantly, use rsh without it. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xfishtank
Has anyone else had a problem with this? It utterly hangs X, beyond restarting X. I can still telnet in, but halting the xdm daemon restarting isn't enough to recover the keyboard. For that matter, it requires an actual power down (but there are some strange hardware problems on this beast). rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
unclobbered X
I think it's a hardware problem. attempting xfishtank repeatably causes the problem again. SHutting off power and restarting solves it. Rebooting alone does not. I'm just hoping this system stays in one piece long enough for the shuttle 603 to actually be availalbe for purchase . . . on a warm boot there is now always an hdd controller error, which requires a second warm boot; the video card comes up in mono half the time (though X sends it to color); we've had a warning about the battery from the bios--but it's a nicad soldered to the mother board; there's the ongoing trouble attempting to tget it to use a scsi controller . . . :( -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
x clobbered and won't reinstall
My X has died and won't come back. I had several windows open, making lyx, running dselect, and a few windows on an alpha. Then I attempted to try xfishtank, and the display froze. No mouse, no keyboard, no nothing. I telnetted to the alpha from another machine, and all of the jobs were gone, though they still appeared on the linux display. I telnetted to the linux box, and rebooted. The display hung when trying to start xdm, but it could still be reached by telnet. I've removed reinstalled xbase, xserver-s3, xlib, and xvga16. I then ran XF86Setup (from xvga16), and reconfigured. It hung starting the xserver. The only way I've found to get the console back is to reboot; simply killing X, which takes all available cycles (runs at just shy of 100% endlessly). Does anyone have any idea how to solve this, short of a complete reinstall? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
remove
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Re: root and .rhosts file; kerberos
On a similar vein, has anyone managed to make debian kerberos machines talk this way? mit has .rpm packages of kerberos afs. However, alien gives plenty of nonstandard executable location errors when converting. Also, kerberos versions of some programs should (apparently) replace regular versions, but this information wouldn't be included in the .deb. I have gotten a response hre at ISU, which kindly explains how to modify the source of my pop client :) anyway, it seems I need kerberos to get my pop-3 mail and to rsh to the university machines. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xfs doesn't seem to be working
Xfs is running, but have you configured your xserver to use it? I did it by modifying my XF86Config, commenting out my old FontPath, and adding: # Use font server. FontPath tcp/localhost:7100 This seems to do it. Shouldn't the configuration program have done this when it asked about starting xfs? The mouse continues to work, and top shows xfs taking bursts of cycles. ps x shows 973 ? S 2:59 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -auth /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-a00971 should I be bothered that this doesn't include a reference to port 7100? (i recall that macbsd did, but i had to start x manually with the explicit reference. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xfs doesn't seem to be working
As near as I can tell, x is not using xfs. This is a poor little 486/33, and the documentation for lyx uses postscript fonts which call for rendering. It substantially pauses for a few minutes while doing so. (when this has been hashed out before, it seems to have to do with the xserver being single-threaded). The solution for this is xfs, which is supposedly running. However, looking at top from a regular console, it is X taking all the cycles, while xfs is idle. /etc/X11/config reads: # This file contains configuration flags for the X Window System. # For a description of the meanings of the flags, see # /usr/doc/X11/debian.README run-xconsole obey-nologin allow-user-resources allow-user-modmap allow-user-xsession allow-failsafe start-xfs start-xdm xdm-start-server Is there anything else that should be happening? I recall that under macbsd (which was running on a comparable machine), i had to start xfs first and then use port information to pass this to xdm. However, it solved the problem, and the machine was usable while crunching fonts. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
exmh pop
I'm having a devil of a time getting this set up right; I'm not sure that I'm following the instructions properly. I have a debian 1.3 system. I've set up smail as satellite, with eyry.econ.iastate.edu as the identifier for mail from my system, and iastate.edu as the correct reply to system. I've set incorporation style to presortmulti, and have a .xmhcheck file with inbox /usr/spool/mail/hawk inbox pop-3.iastate.edu rhawkins I note that a .netrc file is required, so I have machine pop-3.iastate.edu login rhawkins password mypasswordhere However, I'm only guessing at the format of .netrc after reading the manpage on netrc on our vincent machines. I also have a maildelivery file of default - + ? inbox This doesn't work, though. On inc, it successfully gets mail on the local machine to hawk, but doesn't get the vincent mail (altthough the status bar suggests that it's trying). Can anyone suggest anything? rick - -- R E HAWKINS [EMAIL PROTECTED] These opinions will not be those of ISU until they pay my retainer. - --- end of forwarded message --- - -- R E HAWKINS [EMAIL PROTECTED] These opinions will not be those of ISU until they pay my retainer. --- End of Forwarded Message -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
moving remote systems from slackware to debian; charset=us-ascii
In one of those strange turns of events, a professor here has hired me to consult for his computer chain on Linux. Having twins on the way, I'll take the extra couple of hundred a month. Anyway, the systems are remote; they are mail servers for schools throughout the state. They seem to have a partial installation of slackware. They think. Some employees have left. Aside from security concerns about slackware, minor things such as adduser are missing. Which wasn't a problem until the perl scripts from netscape broke, and . . . Yesterday I added a lot by hand to the passwd file. Anyway, I'd like to switch these machines to debian, but physically going to each machine is out of the question. Roughly, I'm thinking of installing debian straight over slackware. However, i know that /etc is substantiall different. Also, does the installation script exist anywhere other than on the boot disks? Or am I flatly looking for trouble by doing the switch remotely? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I2O article
Sometime after I first started talking with the press about i2o, someone pointed out that the i2o group had left their standard document (about 500 pages) on their anonymous FTP server. Wired News published the URL, and thousands of people downloaded copies of the i2o standard before the i2o group removed it from the server. Wonder how many of them said DOH and slapped their forehead in a most Homer-like fashion? Or, was it a deliberate leak? I can easily picture a decision to accidentally place it there until someone had to officially notice the mistake. Think of how much quieter (sp???) certain groups ( like us) will be . . . rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
john wrote, This is the part that baffles me. Do you really believe that users who won't buy 1.3.1 because 1.3.2 is out will buy 1.3 revision 1 after 1.3 revision 2 comes out? actually, yes. I know the schemes are identical, but I think that revision off to the side doesn't sound as much like I'm not up to date! as a complete number. And those who do understand enough to know the difference will probably also know that they can download the couple of extra files. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: upgrade path
bruce wrote, We want it to be easy for people to upgrade. However, it's currently difficult for people who had 1.1 on their systems to upgrade to 1.3, because the best way to do this was to install 1.2 and then 1.3 . You can go straight from 1.1 to 1.3, but I hear this is much more difficult. We kept the files for 1.2 on our 75 mirror sites for a good long time after 1.3 came out, and then we removed them. Nobody complained by the time we removed them, so I guess everyone who wanted to upgrade got the files in time. I just had a half an idea :) Suppose that rather than leaving a full 1.2 around, we create an update1-1.1to1.2.deb file, with all the needed pieces? That is, all those that need to be upgraded before upgrading to 1.3? rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
They could have not followed anything past the guy that caused it. Now they can. With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. Now, the corporation protects not just those beyond the guy that caused the problem. It even protects that particular guy. you are correct. However, were an individual programmer to incure liability (the only way I can think of off hand is by deliberately caused harm, such as sneaking in a disk eraser), the corporation won't protect that individual. It will, howver, protect the other developers, who could potentially face liability, or at least incur staggering defense costs. Generally, short of intentionally caused harm, I can't think of anything offhand that would lead to actual liability for unincorporated developers. However, the legal costs of being right aren't small. Given the incorporation, a suit against individual developers would probably be bounced, with sanctions fees, quickly. Without, they might have to defend on the merits. rick, esq. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: A little consideration, please?
bruce wrote, 2. Please don't start with the assumption that I am a corporate robber baron whenever you argue about Debian policy. 2a) If you do make this assumption, please send him enough money to act like one. Say, Stanford's endowment . . . :) rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: shielding from liability
bruce wrote, From: Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, were an individual programmer to incure liability (the only way I can think of off hand is by deliberately caused harm, such as sneaking in a disk eraser), the corporation won't protect that individual. We would likely pursue criminal charges against someone who caused harm with malice aforethought. However there are negligence scenarios, for example a maintainer who accepts a patch without realizing that it contains a trojan-horse program. I want to shield our developers from individual liability in that sort of case. I would strongly (though I wouldn't guarantee it) expect the developer to win that one, given the license. However, I should note that in that case, the developer wouldn't be shielded by the corporation: the individual isn't relieved of his own negligence. Did you notice that The Linux Mall was selling legal liability defense plans for programmers? I would hate to have every developer need to pay for that. Having a corporation sounds like a much better idea. I missed that. An umbrella policy of that type for debian might be a good idea, though. I paid a bit extra for First Dollar Defense on my E O (malpractice) policy; as most claims are frivolous, it meant that there would have been a lawyer instantly standing by that was already paid; there wouldn't have been any incentive to me to settle a frivolous matter to avoid costs. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Dave Cinege wrote, Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the US. this is not true, in any sense of the word. The difference between debian unincorporated or incorporated makes absolutley no difference in ownership, at least in the common law countries (US, britain, australia, etc.). If I make a package tonight, and submited it, am I then consider an employee (agent, memeber, whatever) of that corp? No, and therefor it means nothing to my liability. But since there is now a legal person called Debian we could both be brought into litigation. Before if someone did something, it was just them. To do anything to Debian meant going after all the seperate people involved. That's because no guy named Debian existednow he does Again, this is completely wrong. There was no protection from the absense of a debian the person. It would *not* have required going after all of the separate people involved. It would have been going after any single one, or any group, which was convenient. Each of whom would have been liable in the full amount of any judgment. If you make a package, you still face liability under either setup. However, incorporated you face no liability for my packages. That is the difference. If anything is done to this guy, the work the developers are 'giving' him are subject to any sanctions against him. Follow? It has created a liabity. again, this is wrong. see above. Also, developers do not give anything to debian; they license. They still own their packages. What members? Debian never existed. There was no formal orginazation. No solid heiarchy. No dues. Again, this just doesn't matter. Debian did indeed exist, and did indeed have members, whether formally organized or not. Phooey. Do all the developers hold there own copyright? Huh? Do they? yes. Then they are each indivigually liable no matter what. They are. The corp just now officially puts them all in the same basket. this is where you are wrong. It is exactly the opposite: the corp takes them *out* of the basket. rick, esq. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
jan vroonhof wrote, Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3) Liability. The corporation is legally a person. If someone got the bright idea to sue Debian (for whatever reason, including frivolous), individuals would be liable without incorporation. Incorporated, individual liability extends only to acts of that individual. Just wondering: If that was a concern wouldn't have been better to have incorperated in a country where the legal climate is less aggressive? I don't think it would have helped. They would still have the underlying individual liability, whether there was a foreign corporation or not. And they're still most likely to be sued in their own country, wherever it may be. I know very little about civil code/roman/napoleanic law (and nothing about the types other than this and Common Law), but I doubt that it would provide absolution for one's own action due to the existence of a corporation. Also, despite other problems with a hostile legal climate, the protection in the US from the corporation is close to ideal. It would proably have been more expensive though.. as to that, i can't even guess . . . rick, esq. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no idea. Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things I had nothing to do with the decision or the incorporation, or any discussions, but as an attorney I'll stick my head in: 1) as someone already mentioned, it makes a difference for donations. 2) It has nothing to do with the US government. States grant corporate charters, not the feds (Although there are a handful of federally chartered corporations: Postal Service, Sallie Mae, etc.). 3) Liability. The corporation is legally a person. If someone got the bright idea to sue Debian (for whatever reason, including frivolous), individuals would be liable without incorporation. Incorporated, individual liability extends only to acts of that individual. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status with the US IRS first. Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. and of what harm? if there's enough interest from outside the US (in donations, not in usage) there's no reason related steps couldn't be taken. How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... guess again. Partial usage for charitable concerns could be deducted. However, the entire machine network costs are probably already deducted as business expenses. rick, esq. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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I'm trying to get exmh running, but am running into multiple troubles. The faw hints at solutions, but . . . 1) BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored the faq says that this is usually a problem with TK -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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I've tried to solve this from the faq, but it only hints at solutions. 1) exmh: Scanning for nested folders ... BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored The faq refers to recompiling over xauthority. I seriously doubt this is necessary (or, there would be different dependency requirements). I have the tk41 tk42 packages installed on a stable 1.3 system. 2) getting data from a pop server. If I'm reading the faq right, I need to set up .xmhcheck. I have the following file: inbox /usr/spool/mail/hawk inbox pop-3.iastate.edu rhawkins and the .netrc file machine pop-3.iastate.edu login rhawkins password mypasswordhere inc gets the mail on this machine, but not the pop-3 mail. I'm sure i'm missing something obvious here . . . rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X screen position -- also try monitor
On this machine, I found it easier to adjust the monitor than xvidtune. It stores 10 or so custom settings, so it automatically returns to the correct configuration. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /usr size and seting up a linux server
I have one PC with a 6 gig disk for Linux only (the Linux PC). I have another two PCs with Windows 95 (the Windows PCs). I would like to able to use Linux on either of the two Windows PCs. I don't have enough space on these PCs to install all the linux software I would like. I can only spare about 150 - 300Mb for a linux partition on these PCs. What would be the best way to setup the Windows PCs to be able to use all the programs installed on my Linux PC. you seem to be in a similar spot to where i am (or will be again soon). We got several old 486's released to us for this, but then they got unreleased to africa (?). *sigh* The down side of our department being an international empire. . . Anyway, we now get this machine and 4 more. This machine will end up, i think, with 2x200mb, a 500mb, and 400 mb drive. The others will have anywhere from 80-200. The current plan (subject to change due to vacations by equipment :) will put minimal systems X on the little machines (and probably lyx as well), /home on this machine, and most programs on this one. I intend to export /usr, and mount it as /usr2 on the other machines. /usr2 will appear behind /usr in execution paths on those machines. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: RedHat vs Debian (was Re: Bash Prompt in an XTerm)
My question to you is how do you find them (which one do you think is best; if there is such a thing as 'best'). Any particular features etc you prefer on one over the other? Redhat is *far* easier to install on a slow machine. After installation is another matter :) Redhat's installation programs are apparently compiled rather than interpeted; they move directly from one screen to the next. At some points in debian, the wait is measured in minutes (particularly module installation). The installation program constantly looks to check the current state, which is where most of the wasted time goes. Redhat's rpm is not as advanced as dpkg (though again, it seems to be faster). There are some dependency issues it doesn't adress. On the other hand, if you try to install a package with dependency problems with dpkg, it informs you which other packages it directly depends on. rpm does this recursively (why doesn't dpkg, for that matter). rpm has a built in access method for ftp. Debian has an ftp-mode for dselect, which can automatically handle any updates. dselect is almost a nice package. It classifies packages by types, and handles dependencies. On the other hand, it is a nightmare for beginners if there is a missing or wrong-version package with dependency problems, and it is close to unusable without a pentium or better. The selection of .deb files seems much richer than for .rpm files; i couldn't find a couple of things i regularly used when i installed redhat a couple of weeks ago. Are there any reviews (as neutral as possible) on how the two compare? I'm not claiming neutrality, but the above is the closest i've seen :) Are they compatible? partway. the alien package can convert .rpm's to .deb's. Some dependencies may not translate corectly; i'm not sure. How hard is it to move from one to the other? If nothing else, copy /etc (for reference, not use), keep /home, erase everything else just install. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
