Re: Is zeitgeist safe?
On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 12:25:42PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 05:50:47PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 03:44:14PM -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: - Original Message - From: Joel Rees Sent: 05/07/14 09:01 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Is zeitgeist safe? But this particular thread is not serving the interests of debian users. Old news. Most of it incorrectly reported. I differ. I do not for once believe Debian OS is free of bugs and bad coding. The recent Heartbleed vulnerability is one case in point. Heartbleed isn't an indication of bad coding. Also, what distros are completely bug free? Curiously enough, the NSA also claimed that the news concerning Nils Torvalds was incorrectly reported. Nils Torvalds? LMGTFY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_Torvalds Aha. It's a different individual. I stand corrected. -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Is zeitgeist safe?
On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 03:44:14PM -0400, Theodore Alcapotaxis wrote: - Original Message - From: Joel Rees Sent: 05/07/14 09:01 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Is zeitgeist safe? But this particular thread is not serving the interests of debian users. Old news. Most of it incorrectly reported. I differ. I do not for once believe Debian OS is free of bugs and bad coding. The recent Heartbleed vulnerability is one case in point. Heartbleed isn't an indication of bad coding. Also, what distros are completely bug free? Curiously enough, the NSA also claimed that the news concerning Nils Torvalds was incorrectly reported. Nils Torvalds? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140507194414.140...@gmx.com -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 04:34:30AM +0100, Tom Furie wrote: On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 12:19:50PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: tasks-xfce-desktop is a meta package that includes xfce, and also a set of additional packages that are typically used on a desktop system, like libreoffice and iceweasel. Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I wrong? I think you are wrong. Those applications (office-suite, web-browser) are applications on top of your desktop environment, which is a layer on top of the OS. They are certainly useful to most people, but they are not crucial to a functional desktop environment, and they are certainly not crucial to a working operating system. I learn something every day. I always thought the office suite and browser were part of the base OS. Thanks for the enlightenment. Added to that, intalling one of the -desktop tasks (for the most part) pulls in a particular office suite and a particular browser, which might not be those I want installed. -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 03:10:36PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Robert Holtzman writes: Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I wrong? Why would you want an office suite and a graphical browser on a server? Damn! I hadn't thought of that. You're right, of course. -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 02:28:32PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Sat, 3 May 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: No wonder 'we' are not winning the desktop war. (sigh) I dunno. I think this thing about not winning the desktop war, may be an urban myth, or, may otherwise be proven wrong. What's the reason for this conclusion, or is it a hunch? With things like Windows 8, that I have found to be designed to prevent funtionality (does it ever allow a user to do what the user wants?), I believe that even MS Windows 3, was more useable than Windows 8. Ah, if only GNOME 2 would still be available for the curent versions of operating systems, it would be supreme )?) . One thing that I note - in using the xfce version of the Debian 7.4 amd64, I could not find (without entering the installation component) a hard disk ustility, for partition work on the hard drive (like gparted, I think it was, in GNOME 2 on Debian 6.x), to edit the partitioning on a Win 8 computer, before installing anything else on that computer. I looked in both the Systems - Admin and Systems - Preferences, and, in the System Utilities components of the menus, for a disk utility, for editing the partitions, but, could not find one. which parted would tell you if it's on the system at all...or, if all else fails, look in synaptic..or, if all else *really* fails, just say the Hell with it and download gparted. .snip -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments
.snip. tasks-xfce-desktop is a meta package that includes xfce, and also a set of additional packages that are typically used on a desktop system, like libreoffice and iceweasel. Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I wrong? -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upgrade debacle........
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 02:24:02PM +1000, Charlie wrote: - Original Message - From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:11:59 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 06:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote not what issues he experience. command not found https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contentskeywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders+mode=pathsuite=stablearch=any https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessiearch=anymode=pathsearchon=contentskeywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders I replied to much of your last email but I'm using webmail and I didn't save my email in draft, so they cut me off and I lost the email. I'll answer it again. I hate webmail. Then why use it? -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Heartbleed
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 09:27:32AM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: Or Apple, sacrifices your security by wordsmithing. According to them, they don't get malware, their computers just have unwanted programs. Not ever being an Apple user, I hadn't heard that before. When I read your post, I fell off the chair laughing. One more reason why I doubt if I will ever use an Apple computer or anything else. I had pretty much the same reaction. I was listening to Tracy Holtz on the techie geek podcast, and he was relating the story. He used to run a PC repair shop, and a customer brought his or her Mac in to have it cleaned. They had apparently taken it to the genius bar more than once, and they said there was no virus. So they took it to Tracy, who cleaned it and then billed it back to Apple. The regional director of marketing was the one who told him that... That said, I have a (work) iphone 4 that I absolutely loathe because of the walled garden. I have a Nokia N900 that i use for media playback, and I have a set of bluetooth headphones, which I have paired with both. I turned off the HFP and HSP (hands-free and headset profiles) on the N900, but in order to turn off the multimedia profiles on the iphone, I have to buy a $5.99 app. While I can afford that, I refuse to buy an app for a work phone, and I especially refuse to buy an app to do something that took me about 6 seconds in vim on the N900... But, but, you would deprive Apple of that $5.99? Commie!!! -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Heartbleed
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 09:18:06PM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: Need i switch to proprietary software (yes, i know, that is no solution)? You could, but then, you end up in a situation where a corporate entity will sacrifice your security for their bottom line, for their next quarterly earnings statement. Look at MS, who finally fixed a years-old bug in XP two months before it's end of life...Or Apple, sacrifices your security by wordsmithing. According to them, they don't get malware, their computers just have unwanted programs. Not ever being an Apple user, I hadn't heard that before. When I read your post, I fell off the chair laughing. One more reason why I doubt if I will ever use an Apple computer or anything else. -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140417161535.gd3...@cox.net
Re: no eth0 connection-redux
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:31:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: I seem to remember this happening after an update but I'm not positive. It did work before. My wireless connection continues to work. Looked at the usual suspects, /etc/ network/interfaces, /etc/resolv.conf, etc but everything looked the same as before as close as I remember. Searching on the subject line turns up a lot of hits but nothing I tried produced a connection. Didn't see anything applicable in dmesg but I may have missed it. ifup eth0 gives Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 Running Debian 7.4 on a Lenovo t420 w/ 4G RAM and an Intel i3. Being pretty ignorant about networking, I'm at a loss as to where to begin trouble shooting. Any pointers appreciated. For a while it looked like a bad cable as I was able to connect on a different one from the same router. The connection lasted long enough to d/l an update. Then I closed the connection. Today none of the cables from the router allow a connection. The nm-applet swears I'm connected but trying to ping the router gives operation not permitted. Wireless continues to work. I *think* that removes the router from suspicion. If I'm wrong please correct me. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: no eth0 connection
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:31:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: I seem to remember this happening after an update but I'm not positive. It did work before. My wireless connection continues to work. Looked at the usual suspects, /etc/ network/interfaces, /etc/resolv.conf, etc but everything looked the same as before as close as I remember. Searching on the subject line turns up a lot of hits but nothing I tried produced a connection. Didn't see anything applicable in dmesg but I may have missed it. ifup eth0 gives Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 Running Debian 7.4 on a Lenovo t420 w/ 4G RAM and an Intel i3. Being pretty ignorant about networking, I'm at a loss as to where to begin trouble shooting. Any pointers appreciated. Embarrassing admission: It looks like a bad ethernet cable. I thought I had checked for that, but I guess not. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
no eth0 connection
I seem to remember this happening after an update but I'm not positive. It did work before. My wireless connection continues to work. Looked at the usual suspects, /etc/ network/interfaces, /etc/resolv.conf, etc but everything looked the same as before as close as I remember. Searching on the subject line turns up a lot of hits but nothing I tried produced a connection. Didn't see anything applicable in dmesg but I may have missed it. ifup eth0 gives Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 Running Debian 7.4 on a Lenovo t420 w/ 4G RAM and an Intel i3. Being pretty ignorant about networking, I'm at a loss as to where to begin trouble shooting. Any pointers appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140331053154.ga5...@cox.net
Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:35:03AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 3/15/14, John L. Ries jr...@salford-systems.com wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 01:10:11PM +1100, Charlie Schroeder wrote: Life isn't about second guessing if you write or speak to someone if they will take offence surely? Isn't it so that you say your piece and people can take it or leave it. It's up to them. Life and the Debian user mailing list are not the same thing. You can make your own rules as to how you life and act within your own life, but within a community one must abide the community rules. At the moment, there's nothing explicitly written that dictates that one should be polite, respectful, avoid causing offence, etc., for the Debian community nor this mailing list. This is a bug which should be fixed and the project is considering the adoption of a 'code of conduct' which will replace the existing mailing list CoC. The text of the proposal is here[1]. Of particular relevance here is, I think, a community in which people feel threatened is not a healthy community. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/02/msg00069.html It's sad that Debian's demeaning itself with this politically-correct rubbish. Would politically correct in this context be a perjorative for polite? It's one thing to complain about efforts to accomodate the political sensibilities of others and to hide one's own, but quite a few people now seem to regard courtesy itself as a vice. ..snip.. I think that in the long term, as the debian community (developers) formalise things like this, there are certain definite potential problems (in the long term), and frankly, I think it will be a very good thing for the community to go through those problems, because evidently it is only in the hindsight of actually experiencing such problems that many people can realise those problems, or see the folly of the things they do now - like formalising politeness into legislation (Debian policy) and formalising and condoning activities such as clandestine censorship (sorry, 'moderation') in the name of not offending the person who has apparently so offended the community that they ought be not offended by any public record of the moderation of them or their post(s). I predict the following, and mark my words: future and greater problems will arise directly from this policy (if this policy gets voted in by the developers) which future problems will only be seen by many through the experience of those problems (as in, bigger problems than the ones supposedly being 'solved' today). +1 I remember reading some advice to a new internet user: grow a thick skin. Don't remember but it remains damned good advice. In any event I strongly suggest reading/rereading http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html before rushing the publication of anything formal. Perhaps citing that to problem posters might help, perhaps not. In any event, in my not so humble opinion, thin skinned people have no business on the internet. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Connecting Debian to Android phone
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 02:05:35AM -0500, ken wrote: On 01/25/2014 04:35 PM Csanyi Pal wrote: Hi, I want to connect my Samsung Galaxy S4 mini mobile phone with my Debian SID desktop system through an USB cable to transfer files from phone to Debian system. How can I do that? I have installed on the phone the KDE Connect application, and on the Debian Dekstop the kdeconnect debian package, but don't know how to use them? For quite a while I've been doing this with a free app from google play called Software Data Cable... except what's nicer is that no USB cable is necessary. SDC sets up an ftp server on the phone and then the files are transferred (in either direction) between my phone and computer over the local network wirelessly. It's not the method you asked about, but I thought you might be interested nonetheless. Given the less than sterling reputation of ftp re: security, is it wise to do this over wireless? What am I missing? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M Conochie wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D interface that will blow us all away, and the kids will laugh at us for using a mouse / keyboard. Not necessarily! We eat using classic knifes since several hundred years and btw. a good knife isn't produced by a computer controlled machine, but handcrafted by a craftsman. But these, sure as hell, aren't sold in grocery stores. Correct! And I suspect that it isn't allowed to sell and buy a good knife in Germany anymore without a firearms licence (this joke doesn't work in German, we don't have a firearms licence, here it's called weapon license). IOW to get a good pastry chef's knife you need the same weapon license you need for a katana or pump gun. So people are used to use carp to cut a steak and they win the impression, that computer controlled machines can punch out good tools ... they simply don't know how good the quality of tools was just a few decades ago and they believe all the hype that in the digital age everything is better. It simply isn't better, quality of technology nowadays is as worse as it never was before, let alone social quality. When did they build the first katana ;)? This really belongs on the OT list but I'll reply anyway. Ralph, do you think monks in a Carpathian monastery lovingly hand crafting parts can maintain the same tolerances as CNC machinery can? Or are you against interchangeability? Assuming they could hold these tolerances, how many people/companies could/would pay for them? Face it. You can only take this good old days schtik so far. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 09:43:10PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:13 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M Conochie wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D interface that will blow us all away, and the kids will laugh at us for using a mouse / keyboard. Not necessarily! We eat using classic knifes since several hundred years and btw. a good knife isn't produced by a computer controlled machine, but handcrafted by a craftsman. But these, sure as hell, aren't sold in grocery stores. Correct! And I suspect that it isn't allowed to sell and buy a good knife in Germany anymore without a firearms licence (this joke doesn't work in German, we don't have a firearms licence, here it's called weapon license). IOW to get a good pastry chef's knife you need the same weapon license you need for a katana or pump gun. So people are used to use carp to cut a steak and they win the impression, that computer controlled machines can punch out good tools ... they simply don't know how good the quality of tools was just a few decades ago and they believe all the hype that in the digital age everything is better. It simply isn't better, quality of technology nowadays is as worse as it never was before, let alone social quality. When did they build the first katana ;)? This really belongs on the OT list but I'll reply anyway. Ralph, do you think monks in a Carpathian monastery lovingly hand crafting parts can maintain the same tolerances as CNC machinery can? Or are you against interchangeability? Assuming they could hold these tolerances, how many people/companies could/would pay for them? Face it. You can only take this good old days schtik so far. Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? The mechanically wound coil is more precise! Don't underestimate human touch. The human brain is a super-computer, no computer build by humans is able to compare with our brains. Sounds better is subjective. Can't be measured. Tolerances can be. Besides, what does that have to do with my question? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:10:32PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 22:02 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 21:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 12:13 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:07:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 12:05 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M Conochie wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D interface that will blow us all away, and the kids will laugh at us for using a mouse / keyboard. Not necessarily! We eat using classic knifes since several hundred years and btw. a good knife isn't produced by a computer controlled machine, but handcrafted by a craftsman. But these, sure as hell, aren't sold in grocery stores. Correct! And I suspect that it isn't allowed to sell and buy a good knife in Germany anymore without a firearms licence (this joke doesn't work in German, we don't have a firearms licence, here it's called weapon license). IOW to get a good pastry chef's knife you need the same weapon license you need for a katana or pump gun. So people are used to use carp to cut a steak and they win the impression, that computer controlled machines can punch out good tools ... they simply don't know how good the quality of tools was just a few decades ago and they believe all the hype that in the digital age everything is better. It simply isn't better, quality of technology nowadays is as worse as it never was before, let alone social quality. When did they build the first katana ;)? This really belongs on the OT list but I'll reply anyway. Ralph, do you think monks in a Carpathian monastery lovingly hand crafting parts can maintain the same tolerances as CNC machinery can? Or are you against interchangeability? Assuming they could hold these tolerances, how many people/companies could/would pay for them? Face it. You can only take this good old days schtik so far. Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? The mechanically wound coil is more precise! Don't underestimate human touch. The human brain is a super-computer, no computer build by humans is able to compare with our brains. PS: Do you ask a computer to compute who is the best person to be the perfect boy/girl-friend? Is intuition less or more substantial? If humans would be aware to program a CNC machine perfectly, they perhaps could be better or at least equal to human work, but we are unable to do it. Humans feel the right point, a computer doesn't. Sorry, for the PPS, but I worked with CNC machines. CNC machines need to sense the surface as human need to do, but they don't have that perfect senses as humans have got. We aren't talking just about measurements, but about assessment, math interpolation can't compare to human knowledge/feeling. You are if you want interchangeability of parts. Is there any computer able to produce just a simple pop song that reaches the top ten? A computer is able to produce a jazz, rock, classical style song, but not able to touch human emotions. So are you saying computers are better than humans? At some tasks, of course. Pop songs? Relationships? What does that have to do with producing anything tangible? Don't forget, without the creature comforts made possible with high volume production, all your free time would be taken up scratching out an existence from the soil with none left to enjoy the esoteric pleasures you talk about. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:32:41AM +0700, Diogene Laerce wrote: once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. You humans only where able to get the knowledge about the theory of relativity or how to build a machine like me. Pff, about what kind of crap are the idiotic opinions people mention for the sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit thread? Fellow you are unworldly! We are at a point that people claim machines are better than humans, but we build the machines! Did I miss an evolution of machines that was independent from humans? Take an educated guess fellows! Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) They didn't have those kind of pills in the 17th century. Looks like Ralph is out of luck. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:42:55PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 15:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a mechanically wounded coil does? I doubt that it would in a double-blind experiment. But your doubts are wrong, it was done a trillion times :p. Didn't your mother tell you a million times don't exaggerate. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:36 +, Iain M Conochie wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball, there will be a 3D interface that will blow us all away, and the kids will laugh at us for using a mouse / keyboard. Not necessarily! We eat using classic knifes since several hundred years and btw. a good knife isn't produced by a computer controlled machine, but handcrafted by a craftsman. But these, sure as hell, aren't sold in grocery stores. It could be that computers will be used by a keyboard and a mouse even in 300 years, because this is a good way to do it and in addition it could be, that computers are not that much used as today, people perhaps find back to play a real music instrument, to handcraft a lot of things again, to get better quality. They perhaps will read books again instead of Linux sucks blogs. You're, indulging in wishful thinking. That world died circa 1970. It won't return because large corporations won't be able to make as much money as they can now. Sad, huh? When parallel ports replaced serial ports nobody imagined that serial ports once will replace parallel ports, but they did and it also could be that analog technology will replace a lot of digital technology in the future. Don't hold your breath. Sure, in the future we might be able to control computers by thinking, the technology once will be available, but perhaps humans start making social progress and aren't under a spell of computers anymore. The computer in the future might be a tool for tasks a computer is useful, but beyond that people might be completely disinterested in using computers. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Iceweasel weird behavior
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 03:15:46PM +0200, Alex S. wrote: Hello all, Few days ago, I started having weird problems with my browser (freezing on pages, freezing on downloads, freezing on opening preferences even). After some tinkering that I did, I now have one main question. What is the difference between me manually typing 'iceweasel' to terminal and me starting Iceweasel through panel/shortcut/system menu (and with run in terminal flagged, it doesn't make any difference). Because in the first case, the problems are non-existent. In the second, they are there. I'm confused. What is the point of specifying run in terminal? ...snip... -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to specify kernel parameter memmap=
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 12:15:58AM -0500, Long Wind wrote: On 1/8/14, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: He mentioned that the woody installer boots OK. -- the woody install CD fails to boot installer, but woody on a hard disk can boot How did you get it on the hard drive? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 09:50:59AM +, Brian wrote: On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 17:21:40 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote: You might want to look into the debian-reference package. It is also available on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/. It looks like most/all this stuff is obsolete. What a strange observation, Did you have anything in particular in mind? Osamu Aoki is assiduous in keeping the manual current and I'm sure he would welcome constructive proposals to improve it. My mistake. I had been looking at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals and most of those are marked as obsolete/deprecated, so I made the assumption that... Sorry. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org writes: Hello all, I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in Debian that I do routinely in gentoo. ... Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this? You might want to look into the debian-reference package. It is also available on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/. It looks like most/all this stuff is obsolete. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: carrying running laptop, was: Re: Acpi Lid Suspend with Eeepc 900 Not Working
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 04:36:24PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Gregory Nowak wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: That is my normal method of sleeping my laptop. I consider it a feature. It sleeps when I tell it to and not just because I closed the lid. Allows me to carry my laptop from here to there and open it and not have it asleep and needing to reconnect and not having killed my ssh logins. (And without using screen, autossh or mosh. Although connections over the vpn will bridge.) This begs the question, though not directly related to debian. For those of us with electro-mechanical drives, is it safe to carry the laptop while the hard drive is running? In the old days, moving a running hd was a major no-no. Rotating disk drives in a laptop? How quaint! :-) (Still using them in servers though. Big SSDs are very expensive.) They'll be quaint when you can buy 500 GB or 1TB SSDs without selling the children and leasing out the wife. Yes, I know you said they were expensive but just how expensive is beyond a lot of peoples reach. ...snip.. I think those usually have shock sensors in them. When they sense force they park or otherwise safe the head. Are there any of those with spinning media still being produced? I thought they have all gone to solid state media now. Guess again. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installing Debian 7.3.0 more
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 08:50:15AM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: ...snip.. He's running Windows on this - Debian should fly in comparison! 512Mb is quite enough for a lot of people. Heck, I've got a Debian VPS running Apache and MySQL with only 512MB - and that's plenty of memory for even a moderately active web server (with several sites). If he's a EE and going to use Debian for his work, he may be looking at some serious number crunching. I would add RAM on general principles. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt-get problem installing qemu-kvm
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 09:52:09AM -0600, Roberto Cantalapiedra wrote: Hi All, I'm having problem installing qemu-kvm from apt-get. When I run the command: apt-get install qemu-kvm using root user I got this error message: ...snip.. Strange. I'm running wheezy. I assume you are to from your sources. My sources list is substantially like yours. Qemu-kvm shows up in my synaptic. Try another mirror. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Xfce config question
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 09:53:51AM +0700, Diep Pham Van wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:49:26 -0700 Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I want to configure the clock display in Wheezy-Xfce to display date and time of day combined and in an arrangement that is like this 20120123 213703 No manual entry for strftime i.e. MMDD HHMMSS You should add Orage Panel Clock to lower panel and read man strftime. I have Orage Panel Clock in the upper panel and man strftime yields No manual entry for strftime -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: My apologies
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 09:14:24PM +0630, AP wrote: I really had no issues posting queries to the deb-off list, provided I knew the option of its existence That's because you never bothered to look for it, just like you never bother to look for answers yourself by searching. Do you even know how to use a search engine? All you seem to do is ask your questions on a list, wanting someone to hold your squishy, pink hand. Well, I today itself joined the debian off-topic. But as a matter of interest, would like to ask that is rarely used by guys? Since there was no message I got...or may be none posted there...Whatever, can one please clarify this about off-list...? Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/13868607.axjrb0j...@linux-5rxn.site -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:56:21PM +0530, AP wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To the extent that your environment is known to the phishers they have you at a disadvantage. Note that I said that the phisher attacks you, not the software that you are using. The warning is half in jest. The world is not chock full of evil people, really. And the best way to avoid is to type the website rather to click some link. Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or typing. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 08:51:44PM +0630, AP wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote: Gnus is very different from all other MUAs. Well. A wonderful post, filled with information. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 09:38:51AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:12:36 AM Robert Holtzman wrote: On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: .snip. Oh, that does clear it up. But again, I don't see that as a free vs. nonfree issue. Most software will choose defaults for you and you can change it, even Mozilla. I'm a KDE user, often a lot of KDE defaults I don't like or don't make sense, Kopete being perhaps the worst offender. I often don't care for software that requires user-side configuration to already be in place when run. By user-side I mean dotfiles in home directory. I do not really mind if I have to set something up in /etc, however, largely because I will most often be changing the defaults. What's the difference between setting something up in /etc and editing a dot file in your home directory? This shouldn't have to be explained to most Linux administrators. While I'm not a professional sysadmin, I'm well aware of your explanation below. /etc is for system-wide configuration of software, meant to be handled by the administrator and if there's no default there's good reason for it. ...snip.. This might be fine for a power user (Of which I am one.) but I wouldn't put anything that requires manually editing text files for preferences on someone else's computer and expect them to use it. Your post that I replied to indicated that *you* didn't care for s/w that required user side configuration to be in place when run. I didn't see any discussion about what sort of user you had in mind and nothing about setting up a box for someone else. It implied that you didn't care for it for *your* use. snip.. Google is hardly the only service that does this. Chances are the second you set up with your ISP someone's already gotten ahold of your personal data. ..snip There's no real guarantee of anonymity on the Internet even if you use things such as Tor. I feel fussing and going out of your way to try to get the non- existant 100% anonymity thing is a waste of productive time. True but that doesn't mean you should surrender to each and every one. You sound like Larry Ellison. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:07:59PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: ...snip... You can use all of the mentioned MUAs. Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed-Claws, Thunderbird/Icedove and Opera, they all are usable. Regarding to security there are other options, that are independent of the used MUA, e.g. encryption. There seems to be a preoccupation with GUI MUAs on this thread. To me, these are all eye candy. There's nothing wrong with a text based MUA like Alpine or Mutt with Alpine being particularly well suited to a noob and very easy to set up. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 08:52:23PM +0530, AP wrote: ...snip... It is really wonder to know that Debian doesn't include them because of yet another war of licensewhatever...If the actual code is free, still such issues arise is a wonder to think! I now think that KMail must be a bit less resourceful than Thunderbird. Debian does include them. It renamed them to keep from violating mozilla's trademark. Firefox is iceweasel. Thunderbird is icedove. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote: .snip. Oh, that does clear it up. But again, I don't see that as a free vs. nonfree issue. Most software will choose defaults for you and you can change it, even Mozilla. I'm a KDE user, often a lot of KDE defaults I don't like or don't make sense, Kopete being perhaps the worst offender. I often don't care for software that requires user-side configuration to already be in place when run. By user-side I mean dotfiles in home directory. I do not really mind if I have to set something up in /etc, however, largely because I will most often be changing the defaults. What's the difference between setting something up in /etc and editing a dot file in your home directory? I prefer Google anyway, though, as I have yet to see a search engine that works nearly as well. I know a lot of people rave about Duck Duck Go, but every time I use it it loves to bring up results in an order that doesn't hit the same sort of relevance as Google. But Google using my search for advertising doesn't bother me. Neither, evidently, does it's personal data collection. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:41:23PM +0530, AP wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Andre Majorel aym-nai...@teaser.fr wrote: Every reply of yours breaks the thread. Really just using Opera (and sometimes Firefox) and typing www.gmail.com and then using it without anything else...! If I understand, the browser has nothing to do with it. PEBKAC. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 09:40:22PM +0530, AP wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: You are going to get a lot of opinions here, and as a result you may be just as confused as you are now! Yes, but I guess reading the great experiences would just create a broader picture in my mind. Though it is true that confusion could get generated but still I would manage with one distribution to start with and eventually see the LIVE CDs of all. But here are some points to consider: You're right that the kernel is just about the same for all. It's the realization of the system, Ok. And I guess it is the kernel which is Linux. You *guess*? You still won't do any reading? How many times do you have to be told? So far you've had your hand held on 3 different lists, bikeshed, fedora-users, and now debian-users. mainly two particulars, that distinguish each from another. The two are the Graphic User Interface (GUI) and the package manager. The GUI is responsible for much of the system requirements. You will be much better off using LXDE or XFCE as a GUI, since their system requirements are the lowest. You should not be looking at GNOME, in any of its variations, or KDE, with your low-end hardware. Low-end hardware probably means the end users' hardware... Hardware is always the end users'. Low end means the lowest in terms of price. Usually junk. PCLOS has an LXDE version which I have tried, and it works fine, altho I use its big brother KDE. But I have the hardware to do so. LXDE looks somewhat like Windows, so it should be easy to adapt to. Well, and also I heard it is light weight. He already said that. Read. since their system requirements are the lowest The other differentiator is the package manager. I have a very strong opinion here: the package manager MUST display the available programs that you can choose from. If it doesn't, you will have to have a list from somewhere. The idea of using apt-get-install filename is just beyond my belief. So you need some kind of file manager that displays all available files, and you just highlight one and tell it install. I am partial to Synaptic, which is available on Mint and PCLOS, and I don't know what else. Oh. That said, for the user, there is not much to choose between deb and RPM. I haven't tried to create either of these from scratch, altho I have looked at the creation of RPMs, and it looks hairy. If you need to obtain some software that is not in the distro's repo, (they all tell you not to, but sometimes you must) most manufacturers who supply apps in deb also supply the same apps in RPM. Some don't supply either, and you have to unpack, compile, and install yourself, but that is not difficult. Now let the fur fly! Well, thanks for this explanation. You mean for end users, it won't really matter much which one to use. Just use one and get started! Make your choice from using a variety of live cds. When using a live cd make sure your sound works, that you can get an internet connection, and your monitor displays correctly. Beyond that flip a coin. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 09:33:54PM +0530, AP wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Andrew Wood and...@perpetualmotion.co.uk wrote: After many years of using Linux on servers and my primary desktop I would only recommend Debian. Its solid and reliable, other distros ive found to be very buggy their installers often refuse to install on machines that arent reasonably high spec whereas Debian will pretty much run on anything. My primary machine is only a Core 2 Duo but its running Debian 7 with Gnome 3 without any issues and is more than adequate for LibreOffice and web browsing speedily Oh well. By saying solid and reliable, you mean it is worth installing. No, he means solid and reliable. You draw your own conclusions as to whether it's worth installing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrp5qzxrn2bkwdxgtlxs4aymrmwwzscw4wpaowa1ssz...@mail.gmail.com -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Install Google Chrome
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 04:54:53AM +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote: On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:40:49 -0500 erosenb...@hygeiabiomedical.com wrote: Dear List - Dear Ethan, I have done the following - Downloaded chrome from site into /opt root@meow:/opt# ls google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb First, do you really need the Chrome from the site? Chrome is available in Debian repositories under name Chromium, so you should not need to download manually anything, just simple root@meow:~# apt-get install chromium From what I've read they're not the same program. Chromium is open source. Chromium's web site says it's free but it's not completely open source. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome: In September 2008, Google released the majority of Chrome's source code as an open source project called Chromium,[14][15] on which Chrome releases are still based. Notable components that are not open source are the built-in PDF viewer and the built-in Flash player. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why Debian
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:04:12AM +0100, Tamer Higazi wrote: Serious answer Why Debian and Not Ubuntu ?! 1. Because I don't like a commercial sponsored operating system. How knows on what kind of stupid idea they come to collect data. 2. As well, specially the Gnome3 system ubuntu delivers by default makes me puke! Debian wheezy has Gnome 3 as the default DE. Ubuntu uses Unity which looks and acts somewhat like Gnome 3 but isn't Gnome 3. 3. The installer is full of advertising, and what they allready have preinstalled, specially their cloud stuff If it's about me, I prefere the testing version of the latest debian distro. The wiki from ubuntu, you have to say is much better. But, the ubuntu is no real benefit for those who are very familiar with it. On my Notebook I was lazy to set up a new Debian version because it came with ubuntu preinstalled. But honestly, I think when I have more time, I'll set up on my corei7 notebook a new debian version. Do you know with how much headache it was connected to get gnome2 (mate desktop) to install again Hate to tell you but Mate isn't Gnome 2. It can be tweaked to look somewhat like Gnome 2. Gnome 2 is dead. Developement has stopped. And installing from untrusted sources. If ever insalling ubuntu again, I'll choose xubuntu, but that won't happen. Tamer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528ac71c.6060...@googlemail.com -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 7 installation
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 07:32:04PM -0800, Atari McBits wrote: Hello, I am having some problems installing Debian 7 on a old laptop of mine. So, I press Install and then after a few minutes, the screen just goes black and I have no idea what is going on. Excellent post! No laptop information (make, model, etc). No motherboard information. No CPU information. No GPU information. No RAM information. No HDD information. Where did you get the CD? Did you look at the checksums? Did you burn it as an image or a data file? How about giving us Just a *little* shot at solving your problem? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: software for (reminder) recommendation
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 02:33:23PM +, José Silva wrote: On 13/11/13 14:17, José Silva wrote: On 13/11/13 14:07, lina wrote: I checked most, seems none has pop up action before the events. I always miss some seminars I registered. Thunderbird esr / IceOwl with Lightning AddOn. Works a charm, it's my main app, love it. I'm sorry, this should read Thunderbird esr with Lightning AddOn or IceDove with IceOwl AddOn. I use Tbird and Lightning but, as I dislike a GUI mail client, I object strongly to having to install it to be able to use the calendar. I haven't found a stand alone calendar that' I'm happy with yet. The screen shot of ccal looked similar to lightning but when I installed it I couldn't figure out how to make it look like the screen shot. More research required. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: software for (reminder) recommendation
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 02:07:04PM +0800, lina wrote: I'm sorry, this should read Thunderbird esr with Lightning AddOn or IceDove with IceOwl AddOn. IceOwl is great, methinks it will meet my needs. I agree. It's what I use but it's not a stand alone program. You have to install Tbird to use it and I refuse to use a GUI mail client, therefore, I have a piece of disk hogging software that I don't use. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Lenovo R61 Think Pad dead after fewer than five years
On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 12:03:13AM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 14:53:46 -0400 Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In May 2008 I purchased new and started using a Lenovo R61 Think Pad. Originally I installed Lenny on it and subsequently upgraded it to Squeeze. Starting from 2013-01-01 various things started going wrong. For example I began to get segmentation fault errors for packages that I had used successfully before that date. Some of other problems where intermittent sound, and failure to detect the printer, even manually. At first I thought these were software faults and sought help from this list. Finally I decided to spend $100 for diagnostic tests. The diagnosis was a failed main board, but the hard drive and the memory modules were okay. The cost of repairs would approximate the cost of a new laptop. Is it normal for any laptop to fail in fewer than five years, or is such a failure rate unique to Lenovo's laptops? Any piece of electronics can fail, but I'm pretty sure that an R-series ThinkPad doesn't have a *higher* failure rate than laptops in general. My understanding is that the business class ThinkPad lines are beloved precisely for (among other things) their superior build quality; I bought a (refurbished) T61 (which ISTR is quite similar to the R61) for exactly this reason, and I've been very happy with it. On the other hand I have to be careful how I pick up the T420i I bought last year because if I'm not, the case can flex enough so that the cd drive tray will open. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: firmware installation
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 02:58:35PM -0600, Shane Johnson wrote: ..snip. Diogene, Could you please provide what Andre requested as well as if this is all the same installation and it's just an upgrade, or if it is two different installs on two different volumes. If it's just a upgrade and they show in your aptitude list firmware Where did that command come from? It doesn't work on my wheezy 7.2 installation and I can't find list in the man page unless I missed it. then it shouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, if they are separate, if the installs use the same architechtures (amd64 or i686) you can chroot. Hope this helps. Shane -- Shane D. Johnson IT Administrator Rasmussen Equipment -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ukash hijacked iceweasel
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 11:55:09PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 12:46 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: I'm running iceweasel 17.0.9 which,as you know, is just a rebranded firefox. When I access mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new it tells me I'm using the latest version of firefox and doesn't give an option of downloading a new browser. Firefox and Firefox ESR are at version 24: http://www.mozilla.org/img/covehead/esr/release-overview.png http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ I sure as hell wish their web site devs would make up their minds. Going in through www.mozilla.org, hitting the products link and then the FF link tells me I'm using the latest version. Hitting the download link on the home page offers version 24. Screw it. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Blacklisting threads
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:08:08PM +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps it is time that I started using procmail! Good choice, I used to use it. But keep in mind that Procmail is a filtering instrument which is good while you have only one computer. If you buy another one, you will have problems with access to your mail account from different machines at the same time. I can't think of a situation where you would access your mail account from two machines *at the same time*. What am I missing? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Blacklisting threads
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 03:15:14PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 20 October 2013 12:43:50 Veljko wrote: Hi Lisi, On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:02:53AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: How do I blacklist a thread? Is it a matter of which email client one uses? I know how to blacklist a person via Gmail, but not how to nullfile a thread! I use KMail 1.9.10 on Trinity 3.5.13.2. Debian 7.2. You might find this article interesting: http://freesoftware.zona-m.net/how-ignore-uninteresting-threads-in- mailing-lists/ :-) Perhaps it is time that I started using procmail! You beat me too it. I was going to suggest that. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ukash hijacked iceweasel
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 09:34:02AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 16:00 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Install the extension/addon 'noscript' As already mentioned, I don't want to install another add-on. If I need javascript disabled, I can use another browser and if happens to me, what happens to the OP, I'm fixing it the way I described. IOW my intention was to point out, that modern Firefoxes don't provide an option to disable javascript. What versionof firefox are you running? I'm running iceweasel 17.0.9 which,as you know, is just a rebranded firefox. When I access mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new it tells me I'm using the latest version of firefox and doesn't give an option of downloading a new browser. As has been posted before, edit - preferences - content shows an option to enable javascript (or not). I mean, why bother with complex solutions if there are simple ones? I also could have answered that Firefox don't provide such an option anymore and that an add-on is needed. Not my experience. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 07:04:21AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: ...snip.. Try again. States do not differentiate between civil engineers, mechanical engineers, etc. and other engineers. Use of the term Engineer is what is illegal. Check with your state licensing board. The three states I've checked (Maryland, Texas and North Carolina) are all this way. I worked sub-contract for 18 yrs at a number of different companies in several states. In all cases the job title of engineer was universally used and carried no licensing requirement. .huge snip of gross over quoting.. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 01:35:41PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.10.2013 11:08, Jochen Spieker a écrit : .snip. This is handy if you use several different mail providers Few months ago, I had something like 4 or 5 addresses. It was a ugly and boring mess, so I deleted most of them and only kept this one. No ads, associative work, no headaches because standard features of server are configured in ways to only work by some software of the same company's defaults, etc. I no longer have need for multiple addresses, now when I need a garbage mail, I ask jetable.org to give me a temporary one. He said different mail providers, not different addresses. Not the same thing. ..snip.. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Broken threads and missing quotations
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:22:39PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Ah, a fellow vim user! On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 07:54:30PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: I have my ~/.muttrc as followqs: set editor=vim +':set textwidth=72' Does vi(m) correctly detect the filetype of emails as 'mail'? Yes as far as I can tell. which works for my posts but I still get posts that contain lines that run 100+ characters all on one line. Use the sequence 'gqap' over a quoted paragraph to automatically wrap it to honour your current textwidth setting. I regularly re-wrap text that I'm quoting from others. Thanks for the tip. I'll try it first chance I get. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Broken threads and missing quotations
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 08:39:14AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 23 September 2013 00:46:51 Zenaan Harkness wrote: If you MUA has such a setting, I recommend about 70-chars line length for emails, to minimise the single word on next line after quoting and wrapping problem, seen above .. My ignorance showing. I thought that that odd wrapping was the result of the responder's MUA, not mine. I have now changed the wrapping to 70 characters per line. I have my ~/.muttrc as followqs: set editor=vim +':set textwidth=72' which works for my posts but I still get posts that contain lines that run 100+ characters all on one line. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: does wheezy's default kernel support wireless mouse?
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 05:55:02PM -0400, Long Wind wrote: Or do I have to install 3rd party modules? Re your subject line: yes. No 3rd party modules required. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Re: nm eth0 connection
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 01:18:27PM +0530, Kailash wrote: On Friday 13 September 2013 10:12 AM, Robert Holtzm wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:23:50AM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:13:30 -0700 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:22:38AM -0400, Tom H wrote: snip... What's no-auto-default=00:21:CC:B6:06:8F,?! I've never seen no-auto-default=... before but I'd blame it for your NIC not coming up automatically since 00...8F is its MAC address! That line is commented out. Not sure why it didn't show up that way in my post. Tried uncommenting it with no effect. I don't understand what it's doing there. Pinging my router as root still gives Operation not permitted. It says I'm sending packets but none are received. At this point I'm completely snowed to the point where I'm tempted to try the M$ solution (reload the OS). So far I'm fighting the temptation. Daft as it sounds, have you tried rebooting? That might well clear the bottleneck, hopefully :) Any number of times, after any change. Don't know if it's required but it can't hurt. Ok, so if network manager's working and you have a valid IP address, and you can't ping, then there may be some issue you with routing. $routel might be a good starting point. Not sure (that's a euphemism for haven't a clue) what routel is telling me. With the ethernet cable plugged in and an unsuccessful ping in progress what routel shows is on http://pastebin.ca/2451397. How about a quick tutorial? Also see my reply to Tom H for the partial workaround I found. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: nm eth0 connection(2)
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 06:48:59PM -0400, Tom H wrote: ...snip.. I'd check elsewhere. NM seems to have done its job. What's the output of ip a ip r iptables -nL I put the results of these on http://pastebin.ca/2451440 I only included the parts of iptables -nL that looked relevant. If I was wrong I can give you the whole thing. Can you ping 127.0.0.1? yes Can you ping 192.168.1.102? yes, which confuses me as to why when I can't ping 192.168.1.1. I found a partial but unsatisfactory work around. If I boot and defeat the xceiver before the login screen appears I can connect with eth0. Can you account for this? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: nm eth0 connection(2)
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:14:07AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 07:47:10AM -0400, Tom H wrote: ...snip... What's the output of nm-tool cat /etc/network/interfaces cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf tail --lines=50 /var/log/dmesg | grep NetworkManager yields nothing the same with tail --lines=50 /var/log/messages | grep NetworkManager Why are you limiting your search to the last 50 lines? Good point for which I have no good answer except that I thought that 50 would be far enough back. No, huh? Nothing shown no matter how far back I go. (dmesg won't have any NM logs.) nm-tool yields, in part, - Device: eth0 [Auto (eth0)] -- Type: Wired Driver:e1000e State: connected Default: yes HW Address:00:21:CC:B6:06:8F Capabilities: Carrier Detect: yes Speed: 100 Mb/s Wired Properties Carrier: on IPv4 Settings: Address: 192.168.1.102 Prefix: 24 (255.255.255.0) Gateway: 192.168.1.1 DNS: 68.105.28.12 DNS: 68.105.29.12 DNS: 68.105.28.11 Strange! No strange, working! :) Plenty strange. If I'm connected, why can't I ping my router or a web site? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: nm eth0 connection
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:18:55AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: To my knowledge nm has always worked with /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf as shown above unless something changed managed=true to managed=false. Tried changing to managed=true and, for the hell of it, rebooted. Still no joy. Any other ideas? Thanks for the reply. You're welcome. The difference between managed=false and managed=true is that with managed=false, a NIC defined in /etc/network/interfaces is managed by ifupdown and with managed=true NIC defined in /etc/network/interfaces is managed by NM (or more accurately NM's ifupdown plugin). Understood but trying it both ways still didn't work. According to your other email, eth0 is up and managed by NM... Don't know what nm's smoking but as I said in my previous reply, I still can't ping my router or any web site or (obviously) connect to any web site). -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: nm eth0 connection
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:22:38AM -0400, Tom H wrote: snip... What's no-auto-default=00:21:CC:B6:06:8F,?! I've never seen no-auto-default=... before but I'd blame it for your NIC not coming up automatically since 00...8F is its MAC address! That line is commented out. Not sure why it didn't show up that way in my post. Tried uncommenting it with no effect. I don't understand what it's doing there. Pinging my router as root still gives Operation not permitted. It says I'm sending packets but none are received. At this point I'm completely snowed to the point where I'm tempted to try the M$ solution (reload the OS). So far I'm fighting the temptation. If it wasn't or the fact that I can connect w/ eth0 using other distros I would suspect the router. Thanks for your patient effort. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: nm eth0 connection
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 08:15:35AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:48:03PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: Running updated wheezy on a thinkpad T420i w/ xfce DE. With great embarrassment, after stoutly defending nm, eth0 no longer connects. This only happens when I run wheezy. The connection is fine when I run the other distros on the hdd, squeeze and ubuntu 12.04. Under wheezy it also happens when the laptop is hard wired directly to the cable modem. looking at dmesg root@localhost:/home/holtzm# tail --lines=50 /var/log/dmesg | grep eth0 [ 18.864912] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready Looking at messages root@localhost:/var/log# less messages | grep eth0 | less Sep 8 15:13:25 localhost kernel: [10656.049605] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx Sep 8 15:13:25 localhost kernel: [10656.049617] e1000e :00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO Notice the difference between 15:13:25 and 15:13:26. Don't know how to approach trouble shooting this. Any pointers appreciated. This is just a stab in the dark, but is there any reference in /etc/network/interfaces to eth0? If so, it is not managed by nm (with which I, too, have never had any trouble, except very recently on a new 'testing' install where the problem was as I speculate yours could possibly be). # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 #iface eth0 inet dhcp When I first loaded wheezy the last line was uncommented and eth0 wouldn't connect. After I commented it out eth0 fired right up and was perfectly stable until the other day. As a test I tried commenting the other line referring to eth0 with no luck. NM will not manage a NIC with iface ... in /etc/network/interfaces if you don't have the following two settings in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf: plugins=ifupdown in the [main] section and managed=true in the [ifupdown] section holtzm@localhost:~$ cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf [main] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile no-auto-default=00:21:CC:B6:06:8F, [ifupdown] managed=false To my knowledge nm has always worked with /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf as shown above unless something changed managed=true to managed=false. Tried changing to managed=true and, for the hell of it, rebooted. Still no joy. Any other ideas? Thanks for the reply. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: nm eth0 connection(2)
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 07:47:10AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: Running updated wheezy on a thinkpad T420i w/ xfce DE. With great embarrassment, after stoutly defending nm, eth0 no longer connects. This only happens when I run wheezy. The connection is fine when I run the other distros on the hdd, squeeze and ubuntu 12.04. Under wheezy it also happens when the laptop is hard wired directly to the cable modem. looking at dmesg root@localhost:/home/holtzm# tail --lines=50 /var/log/dmesg | grep eth0 [ 18.864912] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready Looking at messages root@localhost:/var/log# less messages | grep eth0 | less Sep 8 15:13:25 localhost kernel: [10656.049605] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx Sep 8 15:13:25 localhost kernel: [10656.049617] e1000e :00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO Sep 8 15:13:26 localhost kernel: [10657.229970] Unknown OutputIN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.1.102 DST=68.105.28.12 LEN=51 TOS =0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=43051 PROTO=UDP SPT=59586 DPT=53 LEN=31 Notice the difference between 15:13:25 and 15:13:26. 26 is a netfilter dns query log. To troubleshoot NM, it would've been more useful to grep for NetworkManager as well as tail the messages log file. What's the output of nm-tool cat /etc/network/interfaces cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf tail --lines=50 /var/log/dmesg | grep NetworkManager yields nothing the same with tail --lines=50 /var/log/messages | grep NetworkManager cat /etc/network/interfaces and cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf are as shown in my other reply. nm-tool yields, in part, - Device: eth0 [Auto (eth0)] -- Type: Wired Driver:e1000e State: connected Default: yes HW Address:00:21:CC:B6:06:8F Capabilities: Carrier Detect: yes Speed: 100 Mb/s Wired Properties Carrier: on IPv4 Settings: Address: 192.168.1.102 Prefix: 24 (255.255.255.0) Gateway: 192.168.1.1 DNS: 68.105.28.12 DNS: 68.105.29.12 DNS: 68.105.28.11 Strange! -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Wheezy installer problem
After installing Wheezy 7.0 twice on different machines w/ no problems I can't get 7.1 to install in manual mode on my amd64 laptop. Everything is fine until I get to the point of writing partition changes to the disk. That's when I'm asked if I want to continue (yes) or return to the partitioner. Write changes...yes...continue...yes...back to the partitioner. Endless loop. I've tried looking in the bug tracking site but so far it's impenetrable to me. I'll keep trying. Anyone else see this problem? I *seem* to remember an upgrade to the installer. Any pointers gratefully accepted. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Problems installing wheezy
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 07:00:37AM +, Anubhav Yadav wrote: Thanks a lot, I read the documentation and mistook the word mounted for unmounted. I will be more careful next time. One question though, Will the installation still need Internet to continue, in-spite of having downloaded one dvd? Yes, if you want to check for later updates (desirable) and d/l software. Don't top post. Don't overquote. -- Bob Holtzman Our company's mission is to enable data-stream synergies with confluent bullshit mining, signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: battery
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 11:15:03AM -0700, cletusjenkins wrote: snip... The cycle only does damage when the battery is discharged beyond 50-60%, which a li-on battery should not allow. Laptop batteries can and sometimes do go to total discharge if left on battery power and forgotten. I have done that more than once on Dell and Lenovo laptops. If you never let the charge get below 50-60% and never above 80% or so your charge life would be what? An hour or two? Makes little sense. Do you have a citation for your 50-60% figure? On the subject of overcharging, most recent chargers will stop charging once the battery is at 100%. This, however, qualifies as overcharging to quite a few people. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Cannot use GnuPG with Icedove in my desktop but can in my laptop
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:27:47PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: I have a laptop and a desktop. Both have squeeze, the latest versions of icedove (10.0.12-1) and enigmail (2:1.4.1-2) from squeeze-backports and gnupg (1.4.10-4+squeeze1) from squeeze installed. On the laptop I can digitally sign my e-mails, but I cannot on the desktop. The laptop can find the gnupg key list (~/.pubring.gpg?), but the desktop cannot. (In both computers I can see the key list, including my key, by clicking on the lock in the panel.) I tried using the wizard available from the OpenPGP button on the Icedove top level tool bar. In the laptop it finds my personal key, but not in the Desktop. In the wizard on the desktop I entered the gnupg keylist file (~/.pubring.gpg) on the page where the wizard asks for it, but the list did not appear. After trying but failing to send a signed message from the desktop the following message is returned: Send operation aborted. Error - encryption command failed gpg command line and output: /usr/bin/gpg gpg: skipped 0xE9099937: secret key not available gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available So icedove knows my correct keypass but cannot find the key. The desktop would presumably know my keypass because I started to use icecove enigmail on the laptop and later transferred my icedove mail and config files from the laptop to the desktop. To be able to send e-mails from the desktop I had to disable the option to sign them. I assume you have your ./secring.gpg in your desktopdon't you? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: wheezy keyboard shortcuts w/ lxde
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:19:44AM +1000, David wrote: On 20 July 2013 03:35, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: Can't tell if I replied to this or not. No indication of it in mutt. My apologies if my reply sounded insulting. I didn't intend that. I just wanted to correct what seemed to be a misconception on your part. Your reply did not sound insulting. :) It is too easy to have minor misunderstanding in email communication, so if there's any doubt I always assume good faith. I find unnecessary hostility is a ridiculous waste of attention. Thanks again for putting me onto the wiki link. After using gnome 2 for several years I changed to lxde a few months ago. I find the lxde project is simpler in ambition, and that suits me better. I've found that the docs that helped me most are not hosted on lxde sites, and it took some effort to find them. Here are the ones that I found useful, which allowed me to create a gnome-2-like desktop with launch icons in the top panel (toolbar), and a task switcher at the bottom. I mention them here in case they might interest you also. http://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/adding-lxde-start-menu-and-desktop-shortcuts/ http://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/understanding-file-associations-in-lxde-and-pcmanfm/ http://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/restarting-lxde-when-it-freezeshangs/ http://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/adding-lxde-start-menu-sections/ http://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/adding-lxde-taskbar-shortcuts/ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDE http://wiki.debian.org/LXDE http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox Thanks for these. Except for a couple of them I hadn't run across them in my searches. The wiki.debian.org/Openbox site says to edit shortcuts in the rc.xml file, not the lxde-rc.xml. Looking at them I couldn't tell the difference except that the rc.xml seems more extensive. I'll have to jump on the lxde list and try to find out what's going on. If nothing there, I'll look for an openbox list. Oh well, the hunt goes on. and a couple of commands that are sometimes useful: $ lxpanelctl restart# immediately reloads changed config files $ pcmanfm --desktop-pref The last one is how you can recover after you've set the lxde desktop context menu to be the openbox one, and the openbox one does not give any way to change it back to the lxde one! The last point might be relevant to you because you might want to take a look at the openbox menu. If I recall correctly, it is defined in the same xml file. It seems that lxde uses the xdg menu system (which requires .desktop files as lkubaski explains), whereas openbox seems to use the debian-menu system which is different. Consequently on this pc I see many more applications available in the openbox menu than in the lxde menu. I imagine that all of these applications would be potentially available for you to create (in openbox) hotkeys, and I'd expect these hotkeys to work in lxde, even though you can't necessarily see those applications in the lxde menus. But, I haven't tried this myself, because I use launch icons here, not hotkeys. Anyway, good luck with lxde! Regards David -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: wheezy keyboard shortcuts w/ lxde
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 05:45:15PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:33:06PM +1000, David wrote: The file is ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml Make a backup copy of it first in case something goes wrong. Open it up in a text editor, try some sensible changes based on the example of the existing contents and the reference information, and experiment. I'd just add that if you comment out the original line instead of changing it, you still have a reference as to the original setting without having to jump between 2 files to compare the changes. Also sysadmin 101 which I learned at least 10 yrs ago. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
wheezy keyboard shortcuts w/ lxde
In squeeze I was able to set up keyboard shortcuts in gnome using System-Preferences-keyboard shortcuts. In wheezy/lxde I can't find how to do this. Searching turned up a comment about editing a lxde-rc.xml file but I can't open it with anything except as a raw file which is unintelligible to me. Anyone familiar with setting keyboard shortcuts in this setup, I'd appreciate any pointers. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Replacing Konqueror with iceweasel
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 02:33:13PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: On 07/09/2013 11:47 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:08:47PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: On 07/07/2013 01:54 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 12:21:31PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: Hi all. How can I get KDE to default to iceweasel and not Konqueror. Debian Wheezy version. Does wheezy include Preferred Applications? If so, call it up and follow your instincts. Sorry, Debian doesn't list anything likePreferred Applications. Any other suggestions. Since your problem seems to have solved itself, this is just for the record. Debian Squeeze *does* have Preferred Applications. System-Preferences-Preferred Applications. Sorry Robert but I can not find System - preferences in Wheezy KDE much less the rest. I tried the system settings menu but found nothing there either.??? Sorry, brain fade. I missed KDE. It was only staring me in the face. What I was referencing was, of course, a gnome feature. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Replacing Konqueror with iceweasel
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:08:47PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: On 07/07/2013 01:54 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 12:21:31PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: Hi all. How can I get KDE to default to iceweasel and not Konqueror. Debian Wheezy version. Does wheezy include Preferred Applications? If so, call it up and follow your instincts. Sorry, Debian doesn't list anything likePreferred Applications. Any other suggestions. Since your problem seems to have solved itself, this is just for the record. Debian Squeeze *does* have Preferred Applications. System-Preferences-Preferred Applications. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Replacing Konqueror with iceweasel
On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 12:21:31PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: Hi all. How can I get KDE to default to iceweasel and not Konqueror. Debian Wheezy version. Does wheezy include Preferred Applications? If so, call it up and follow your instincts. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
keyboard shortcuts...squeeze
Some time ago I set up a shortcut to open a terminal (ctrl+A) which worked for several months. As of a month or two ago the shortcut began working *only* right after booting. Anytime after that it had the effect of highlighting all my desktop icons but didn't open the terminal. Various searches yielded nothing applicable. I'm at a loss as to how to attack this problem. I have a problem with shortcuts not working in wheezy, but that's for another thread. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: keyboard shortcuts...squeeze
On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 07:26:56PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Some time ago I set up a shortcut to open a terminal (ctrl+A) which worked for several months. As of a month or two ago the shortcut began working *only* right after booting. Anytime after that it had the effect of highlighting all my desktop icons but didn't open the terminal. Various searches yielded nothing applicable. I'm at a loss as to how to attack this problem. I have a problem with shortcuts not working in wheezy, but that's for another thread. You didn't say what window manager you are using. And you said Squeeze so nothing should be changing there. Metacity Control-A is the Windows world's way of selecting all. You said all of your icons highlighted. That tells me that it is doing the Windows UI method of selecting all. That definitely isn't your shortcut. I might suggest using Alt and a key for the shortcut rather than Control-A which seems to be overloaded enough already. It's been 10-15 years since I've had windows on my machine. I couldn't tell you what a wndows convention was if you held a gun to my head. I would try a different shortcut that isn't one of the Windows keys and see if it is related or not. Otherwise I don't know. I'll give it a try. What snows me is why it worked for months and suddenly changed. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: what happened to the task bar??
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:26:53PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote: On Friday 28 June 2013 12:08:42 you wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:35:24PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: .snip There's nothing wrong with running an outdated Debian, Until the security patches stop. but users still should take care what happens upstream and contribute at least with an opinion _before it's to late_! I think I'm having a noobie moment but I draw a blank as to how to do this. Is there a list? Debian-devel is pretty opaque to me as a nonprogrammer. I think 'upstream' usually means 'not Debian'. In this case Gnome Debian packages alot of software, afaik, does not change its basic functions. hope this is what you meant. I'm pretty much aware of this. My problem is *how* to keep track of the upstream happenings. Developers lists are tough for me, a nonprogrammer, to follow. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: what happened to the task bar??
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:35:24PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: .snip There's nothing wrong with running an outdated Debian, Until the security patches stop. but users still should take care what happens upstream and contribute at least with an opinion _before it's to late_! I think I'm having a noobie moment but I draw a blank as to how to do this. Is there a list? Debian-devel is pretty opaque to me as a nonprogrammer. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Missing Gnome Menu System...
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 08:26:36PM +0200, G�bor H�rsfalvi wrote: Dear Users, I don't know why, but today when I wish to open Gnome Menu - System - Settings or Administration menus I can't find them. Also when I click on the Gnome Menu by right button and choose editing menus option it doesn't give me the window where I could rebuild my Gnome Menu before. Please help me... Try right clicking on the top panel. Choose add to panel and scroll down to main menu. click on that and see if it works. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Warnings when doing a chroot.
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 07:32:41PM +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote: Dear Robert, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 04:30:20PM +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote: mind entropy wrote: I am on ubuntu 13.04 Wrong distro and/or mailing list, but, well. a sudo schroot -u root -c wheezy explain how, assuming he's running ubuntu, a command containing wheezy would work? His host system appears to be Ubuntu and he set up a Wheezy (s)chroot. This is somewhat analogous to virtualising Wheezy inside a Ubuntu host, using, for example, VirtualBox or VMWare. You can of course run a Wheezy VBox on Ubuntu. That goes a long way toward clearing it up. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Warnings when doing a chroot.
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 04:30:20PM +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote: Dear mind, mind entropy wrote: I am on ubuntu 13.04 Wrong distro and/or mailing list, but, well. and I get warnings when I do a wheezy schroot. I do a sudo schroot -u root -c wheezy It has to be me being dense but could someone explain to me how, assuming he's running ubuntu, a command containing wheezy would work? snip -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Without SKYPE?
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 09:10:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 May 2013 at 21:48:11 +0200, Slavko wrote: Dňa 02.05.2013 21:24 Brian wrote / napísal(a): I did. How does it allow someone not running the *Skype spoftware* to conect with the Skype network? Please, read carefully all the previous posts. The explanation is there. I did. And it isn't. I suggest reading it again. The answer, as stated *many* times is: it doesn't. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Dist-upgrade or upgrade. Which?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 07:57:11AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 22 Apr 2013, Patrick Bartek wrote: It would be nice if you could trim that to one line. [snip] Yes, it would, but I use Yahoo mail for this list, and that is Yahoo's reply header. I cannot have my own custom reply header, nor can I opt not to have one at all. At least, not that I've been able to find in the Mail Settings. I can, however, edit or erase it from any reply as I did above, but sometimes I forget. Another problem is that your posts are peppered with lots of codes which make them annoying to read on a text-based email reader like mutt. I'm using mutt also but I see no codes. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:42:59PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: .snip You now behave exactly as the OP does! My intention clearly is, that it's not ok to discredit folks from upstream, just because we have different opinions. And it's not ok when you now discredit me by grotesque conclusions. When I describe the world as it is, that doesn't mean that I like it that way. Don't kill the messenger for the bad news, he just reports the news and didn't make them. Show me were I claimed that all muslims are terrorists! What happened to this list? MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE Any evidence? And again all muslims are terrorists was written by me were and when? If your sick mind guess something is implied, written between the lines, then it's your and not my problem! I don't tolerate to discredit others and I also don't tolerate to discredit me. I'm against violence and lies. Muslims e.g. killed an ambassador because somebody made a harmless odd video and it wasn't the ambassador who made this video. You are angry about me and other people that are innocent. We aren't violent! If you feel offended by truth, than don't counterattack with lies! Or are you simply unable to understand the truth? Why are you replying to and castigating yourself? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
keyboard shortcuts
Running 6.0.7 with all updates. Opening a terminal is set to Ctrl+A. This has worked flawlessly for months. As of yesterday, Ctrl+A highlights all of the file icons on the desktop but fails to bring up the terminal. Rebooting restores the functiononce. Thereafter it revert to only highlighting the desktop icons. /var/log/messages gives 620.483505] thinkpad_acpi: unhandled HKEY event 0x6040 Apr 8 13:04:08 localhost kernel: [ 620.483507] thinkpad_acpi: please report the conditions when this event happened to ibm-acpi-de...@lists.sourceforge.net Reporting it is fine but it gives no clue as to how to attack the problem. Any pointers greatly appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130408201450.ga2...@cox.net
Re: keyboard shortcuts
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 01:00:35PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Running 6.0.7 with all updates. Opening a terminal is set to Ctrl+A. This has worked flawlessly for months. As of yesterday, Ctrl+A highlights all of the file icons on the desktop but fails to bring up the terminal. Rebooting restores the functiononce. Thereafter it revert to only highlighting the desktop icons. Your choice of window manager might be relevant. .snip. Damn. I forgot. Gnome 2.30.2. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: -- SPAM --Organic SEO for Debian.org
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 03:08:34PM +, Mark Peterson wrote: div dir=ltrp lang=en-AU style=text-align:-webkit-autofont snip of offensive crap.. Not only does this clueless spammer post his drivel, he does it in HTML! -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: -- SPAM --Re: Rooting an Android Tablet on Debian
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 06:14:19PM +0200, David Baron wrote: On Monday 11 March 2013 00:27:39 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: (Charles Kroeger, Sun Mar 10 20:57:18 2013) I got a Kobo Arc that runs Android 4.0.4 and would like to become su for this device. There are paid services but I don't like the sound of them and they're expensive. Since Android is Debian several times removed, I was wondering if anyone here had a script that might help? I use Calibre with the Arc for moving books around but Calibre is useless with the Adobe DRM menace and most of my books require this. Go to xda.com and seek there! Have you actually looked at this site and followed one of the links marked root? It takes you to a list of horticultural sites. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Not for me.
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:59:18AM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: snip I'd like to leave you with one reflection that may cause pause. If tomorrow Debian were to suddenly become twice as popular as it currently is, this list would be flooded by people exactly like me. God forbid! -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 09:17:41PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: If anyone is still there, I do want help. I've spent all day at this. Ground rules: Clue for you, pal: you don't set ground rules unless you own the list. 1 - If you can't help, please don't try. 2 - Please don't assume I haven't read how to install Debian. I have. It's no big deal. Your posts don't indicate that. 3 - My computer boots from USB - no problem. I'm booting Debian Live from USB. So, please don't tell me how hard it is or how the BIOS must support it or how I'm too stupid, too lazy, or too arrogant to understand that. 4 - Please don't assume I'm Windows-lazy or Windows-stupid. Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written when David Cutler was done with it. Then Bill Gates ruined it by creating Direct-X to improve entertainment media performance (thereby bypassing the Intel call-gate mechanism, thereby destroying Intel's 4-level protection model). This directly lead to rootkits and to my hate of Microsoft. Of course, adding port listeners to support RPC-enabled remote desktop utilities (which gave viruses access to the rootkits) closed the deal. 5 - Please, if it's been years since you've tried to install to USB, kindly refrain from complaining and let other people help me. Dictating again? 6 - I have a particular need that will not be met by doing a more standard installation, so if you can't help, please don't suggest that I create a more standard installation of Debian. You want to go directly to the Phd skipping the Bs and Ms. 7 - My objective is not be become a Linux enthusiast. 8 - Please don't suggest that I don't know how to, or that am too lazy to use Google to search for answers. My objective is to create a bootable USB flash drive, or a bootable USB hard drive that I can then use to run Iceweasel Icedove, period. That's all I want to do with Linux. Oh, a partition that can be accessed by both Linux and Windows is needed for downloads and email profiles. The Windows system will not have networking installed. My capabilities: Virtual Machines - I've created and used both VirtualBox and VMware Player virtual machines. If I could run Firefox Thunderbird in a WinXP client without also having to install networking in the WinXP host, I'd do it in a second and wouldn't need Linux. Unix - I used Unix. I've installed and used Solaris. I've designed Sun-compatible single-board computers. Apache - I've installed, configured, and maintained complex, multiple-domain Apache servers. My problem: During the Debian installation (to USB thumb drive or USB hard drive), when it goes to install GRUB, it fails. What can you suggest I do? I will try anything. Try knocking off the arrogant tone. In case you hadn't noticed, there are people on this list trying to help, even though you've insulted them. BTW learn to wrap your lines. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Rmore details on network was Setting up a network Was: Re: a very carefully asked question?
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 02:16:23PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 27 February 2013 14:01:22 Karen Lewellen wrote: can someone send me the command one might use to learn if ice Wiesel is included on the drive? Assuming Debian: $ aptitude search iceweasel You can also use apt-get, which in this case would be (I think, a least) $apt-cache search iceweasel I am an aptitude user myself, so am less sure of that one. Being a lazy swine I would just run which iceweasel and see if anything turns up. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: I wish to advocate linux
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 03:52:24PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/2/27 3:45 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2013 27 Feb 14:25 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote: What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux. Not even on an empty hard drive on commodity x86 hardware? I find this admission so absurd that I can't get my head around it. Although, your definition of successful may be different than mine. I define successful as the OS booting to a login prompt after installation, either GUI or character. The only result of my attempted installations has been cryptic error messages and non-bootable disks. I have asked for help over the period of 15 years and Linux-knuckleheads have offered none. All I've ever gotten is platitudes and Windoze sucks! Out of curiosity, how do you account for the thousands of people, including myself, who have successfully installed, and are using, various linux distributions even as I type this? Either I must be a genius or you must be a moron. The conclusion that you're a troll is inescapable. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
freeze when waking from sleep/hibernate
Can't find anything on this going back 1 yr+ in the Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora list archives. A web search turned up little of use except a reference to it being a kernel problem. The problem is intermittent. Can't reproduce it at will. Cursor moves with the mouse but no keyboard response except for the function keys (ctrl+alt+Fx). Thankfully I can still open a shell. The only work around I've found is to stop and restart gdm3. This, of course, loses whatever was open on the desktop. It's hard to believe this problem hasn't hit a mail list, but I sure can't find it. I'm running squeeze with a 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 kernel. Any pointers appreciated. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best recommendations for posting anonymously?? Looking for pointers
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 09:33:08AM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: You're not wrong but would the OP be posting to a web site? I think yes, if I understood correctly, he needs a way for people from inside to report his government's amoral/illegal actions. Using a website is one way in so many others to show those reports, I guess. About mails, it is the same: if the sender does not use encryption systems of mailing standards, then stuff is in clear, otherwise, he is able to encrypt what he send, even when he did not reached the secured area given by first server/proxy. If the recipient doesn't use encryption, and most don't, he/she can't read the message.or did I misread your reply. You read correctly. You are true, but is not the problem the same for browsers? Of course, nowadays, they are configured to be able to support encryption? Well, I can not say I really know how secured connection works, so I probably said some stupid things. IIRC both Tor and chained remailers can't be traced to the OP unless the authorities are monitoring the sender because they deemed him/her suspicious previously. The way around this is to find a service that introduces a random delay in forwarding. Still not 100% secure as *I think* the outgoing encrypted message may be able to be compared to the arriving message before decryption. Your best bet is to find a list, forum, or news group dedicated to security and ask there. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best recommendations for posting anonymously?? Looking for pointers
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:23:10AM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: .snip Is not tor a sort of layer over usual network layers? If yes, so, for http, yes, stuff is clear. But, https is not, if I am not wrong. You're not wrong but would the OP be posting to a web site? About mails, it is the same: if the sender does not use encryption systems of mailing standards, then stuff is in clear, otherwise, he is able to encrypt what he send, even when he did not reached the secured area given by first server/proxy. If the recipient doesn't use encryption, and most don't, he/she can't read the message.or did I misread your reply. With mail lists, it's easy enough to spoof headers. It takes quite a bit of digging by some one knowledgeable to find th OP. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best recommendations for posting anonymously?? Looking for pointers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 06:59:10PM -0500, Celejar wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 14:36:15 -0700 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 05:02:16PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: ..snip.. I would like to add directions describing how best to post anonymously for end users. I would like US govt regulators to be able to comment about the problems and corruption they encounter at their jobs without fear of retaliation, but I am not sure how best to set-up a site which could provide this service. The hope would be to coordinate a bright light on the current regulatory problems to help speed up the process of regulatory reform through safe public discourse. Have any other site already successfully achieved this result? Help and feedback are appreciated. Thanks, Engsafety I think Tor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)) and freenet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet) are some interesting starting points. Chaining remailers would work for this. More secure than Tor. Why is it more secure? I think I may have spoken too soon and stuck my foot in my mouth. The site that claimed Tor wasn't as secure as people thought said that the message traveling from the sender to the first Tor server was in clear. The same when the message traveling from the last Tor server to it's final destination. I think the same problem exists with chained remailers. Anyone want to correct me? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best recommendations for posting anonymously?? Looking for pointers
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 05:02:16PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: ..snip.. I would like to add directions describing how best to post anonymously for end users. I would like US govt regulators to be able to comment about the problems and corruption they encounter at their jobs without fear of retaliation, but I am not sure how best to set-up a site which could provide this service. The hope would be to coordinate a bright light on the current regulatory problems to help speed up the process of regulatory reform through safe public discourse. Have any other site already successfully achieved this result? Help and feedback are appreciated. Thanks, Engsafety I think Tor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)) and freenet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet) are some interesting starting points. Chaining remailers would work for this. More secure than Tor. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT?] Free Software petition on WhiteHouse.gov
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:45:57AM -0500, Worrier Poet wrote: On 12/26/2012 09:10 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Maybe you should live in the Washington, DC area like I do, and actually PARTICIPATE in the process. Have you ever spent any time in with the staff of either of your senators or your representative? Have you actually sat in the visitors' area during the session of either house? Have you ever attended a committee meeting? .snip. I participated in the process at a time when it almost cost me my career, at a time when that type of participation did cost other people their careers and even their ability to simply continue to live where they'd lived their lives. I've participated in legal, political, social and medical processes ever since. Too bad I wasted my life by not consulting you about my methods. I think I'm out of this conversation. You want a baseless argument, argue with yourself. All your baseless belong to you. Sure do enjoy them uplifting informative technical discussions. Oeee. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: It would be nice to correct the quotation. I didn't wrote this. I didn't reply to this thread any more and somebody else did wrote those words, but it's quoted in a way, that people might think I've written this. Wrong quotation can happen, but it should be corrected. Those words might be true or not, but at least I like not to be killed by the Mossad, for something I haven't written. My apologies for screwing up the quote. The attributions in the post I replied to were confusing. If I'm right (and I guarantee nothing) the correct attribution should be: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:33:06PM -0800, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: If I'm still wrong please correct me. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. Arrogant Bastard! plonk -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | Tony You might reconsider your opinion, because of the facts that Jews(Israel) are doing the same thing with Palestinians and around the World. Not a good plan to get off on that track, pal! -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: icedove and IceOwl: ICS attachment
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 02:29:21PM -0400, Worrier Poet wrote: On 09/24/2012 01:56 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 02:30:00PM +, Camale�n wrote: snip... P.S. Consider a replacement for IceOwl (Sunbird) because AFAICT is not being maintained upstream anymore. I've read that before. Ubuntu dumped it for that reason. I can't find a good *stand alone* replacement. Any suggestions? If you don't want the integrated calendar (iceowl-extension with icedove) you might want to look at osmo. I've often thought that I'd wind up using it if the iceowl-extension went goodbye the way iceowl did. Thanks for the tip. I'll try it out. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: icedove and IceOwl: ICS attachment
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 02:30:00PM +, Camale�n wrote: snip... P.S. Consider a replacement for IceOwl (Sunbird) because AFAICT is not being maintained upstream anymore. I've read that before. Ubuntu dumped it for that reason. I can't find a good *stand alone* replacement. Any suggestions? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Film scanner software / hardware.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 04:16:30PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: After review a gazillion scanners I have concluded that the Plustek OpticFilm 7400 is my best choice for my needs and my budget. Unfortunately, they don't support Linux. Vuescan doesn't support this Plustek scanner. Does anyone know of a software solution to this problem or know of a scanner for less than about $250 that has 48 bit color, will *actually* resolve better than 3000dpi, has dust removal, has a Dmax = 3.6. and has multiple scan capability to improve contrast. I just finished a disastrous round with all in one printer and don't want to get into another one with film scanners. Any help would be appreciated. Gary R. PS : 1. The HP Workforce Pro 8600 with downloaded files from HP works great. 2. The package gscan2pdf has some minor bugs but is a fantastic PDF generator. 3. Stay away from Epson. What format are you working with? If you find something for 4x5 that doesn't require re mortgaging the house, let me know. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
