Re: How do I provide a particular process with as much CPU time as possible?
Hi, On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:54 AM, leel...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: BTW, I've given up attaching the game to a particular CPU and trying to mess with the priority/scheduling. That doesn't seem to make it faster, but more unresponsive to keyboard inputs. I guess LGP just needs to fix the game. The Windoze version apparently runs great on hardware like I have. Are you sure your 3D rendering is set up properly? I'm not sure how LGP packages their games but if they're using wine that might explain a performance difference as well. regards, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: FreeAgent USB HDD (update)
On Nov 29, 2007 9:18 PM, andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rebooted and then once I went into the filesystem I saw that the system recognised it, but did not automount it. This is something that I have noticed in the last while - USB data sticks are not being automounted the way they used to be (although, I cannot determine a turning point in this). They used to trigger an icon to be placed on my Gnome desktop once I inserted the stick but now I have to manually open the filesystem and click on the USB drive to mount it. I have double checked my prefs under Gnome for storage devices, and the option to automount and auto-browse are selected, so I don't know what is going on with that. Anyway, crisis with the FreeAgent drive is over. Now I only have this mild curiosity re: the automount/auto-browse issue. Anyone have some light to shine on this? This could be for a number of reasons. Most likely first choice would be the gnome settings about removable devices. If somehow they got set to not mount the device automatically that would be a problem. Your user needs to be in the plugdev group (check with groups username), hald and udev need to be properly installed and running. hald needs certain libraries which may or may not be bugged, upgrade everything involved to the latest version you can and try again. That's just of the top of my head. Let us know if you make any progress. :-) greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: user based package manager?
On 3/18/07, Jeff Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most installed packages will mess $HOME more or less when compiled with --prefix=$HOME. Though, keep the log of `make install' may be used as an removing method if wanted latter. Is there some package manager that can be used for normal user under their home location? By which the software can be cleanly purged and so on. Or some extensions of checkinstall to make an simple one. 0install(0install.net) but that's a binary system. Why don't you just configure with --prefix=$HOME/myprograms/ or something like that? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hangup in atan2() / __signbitl()
On 2/19/07, Eric Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Two questions: Has anyone stumbled on this before, and do you have a fix? I am not sure on what package to submit a bug. It seems the problem would be in libm, so that would be the libc6 package? What kind of info should I add? The info you supplied in your mail should be enough, including hardware details, current kernel and gcc version (you never know). It seems logical to report the bug against libc6. The maintainers will surely have something to go on and can reassign the bug if they think it's not in their package. I'd report it at severity normal. (be sure to check if it hasn't been reported already) greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch is REALLY fast! :-)
On 2/16/07, Hans du Plooy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACPI is still a thorn in my side too. I've seen way too many notebooks on which fans simply don't switch on and off reliably, and suspend works but resume doesn't - surely there must be a generic way to handle these things? I'm not sure if you're aware of this but many systems have broken ACPI description tables. It's actually possible to download fixed ones from the net and load them in your kernel instead of using the one it reads from hardware. That solved a lot of issues for me (though unfortunately not all of them). Basically many notebook manufacturers are selling laptops with broken hardware and the kernel is playing catch-up. I think this is the reason many of them also modify windows xp so heavily, they just put crap in on the hardware side and then have the software guys fix it up till it sorta works. It's one of the main reasons why I'm _not_ impressed with the quality of my acer notebook. I did manage to make it go to sleep and come back up with fixed ACPI tables now though. If you'd like to know more, read this: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beagle/Kerry
On 2/12/07, Torquil Macdonald Sørensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I want to do fulltext searching in my archive of PDF files using beagle with the kerry frontend (with Debian Sid). But it seems that my PDFs are not indexed at all. All hits are for words contained in the PDF filenames. I have disabled all but the IndexingService and Files backends using the kerry frontend, because I think the others have nothing to do with PDF indexing. However, I was not able to find out what IndexingService and Files really mean. Files crawls your files. So that's the one you need. It likely needs help from the IndexingService to create indices though (I'm not sure about this) so you best keep those two enabled. Strangely enough I just tried it and it could only find my pdf's at first if I explicitly told it to by saying ext:pdf on the input line. After that it found them on any search. You might want to try that. Also, are you sure your filesystem is mounted with user_xatrr options? greets, Wim
Re: Easier to Read Fonts
On 2/11/07, Winston Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my chagrin, web pages are actually easier to read indirectly from my wife's Windows machine (when I connect to it by VNC from my Debian box) than directly on my Debian box. Her Firefox uses Times New Roman, which I believe is a true type font. On my Firefox I've tried Serif, Free Serif (slightly better), etc., but still no contest. An 'apt-cache search' lead me to xfstt. Is that what I need? If so, where do I get the actual fonts, especially Times New Roman? That's probably the route to go but possibly truetype fonts will already work without xfstt and you just need to install a fonts package. The one with the microsoft fonts in it is called msttcorefonts, at least that is an installer that will download and install the fonts for you. It suggests installing x-ttcidfont-conf which used to be necessary to configure them correctly. YMMV If you're looking for more ttf font packages you can do an: aptitude search ttf- (since most fonts start with ttf-) or, interchangeably: apt-cache search --names-only ttf- ttf-freefont is usually good. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)
On 2/11/07, Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I could use the net and find a publisher in the U.S. but that's not how it works. Most publishers wont touch writers who don't have an agent and agents wont touch writers that haven't published. How bout putting it up on one of the self-publishing places first? If you end up selling your stock you could point to your own sales figures and try to convince an agent to take you on. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ip forwarding
On 2/12/07, Andrew Critchlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I am having some problems either understanding ip forarding or configuring it? My set up is: XP1 - Debian/Server - XP2 XP1 IP = 10.251.134.20 Debian/Server eth0 = 10.251.134.10 Debian/Server eth1 = 172.16.0.50 XP2 IP = 172.16.0.10 I want XP1 to be able to ping XP2, so I enabled IP forwarding in /etc/network/options Unfortunately XP1 still can not ping XP2. (XP1 can ping Debian/Server, and Debian/Server can ping XP2) Do I have to do anything else to enable the Debian/Server to act as a simple router? At a certain point using /etc/network/options got deprecated. I'm not sure if this goes for whatever version of debian you're using but the proper way to enable it in newer versions would be via sysctl. There should already be a value listed in /etc/sysctl.conf that you just need to uncomment. Then it gets set like you want it on every boot. You can use the sysctl utility to set it yourself. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: goddammit
On 2/2/07, Incoming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before anyone decides to engage in infantile gibberish, otherwise known as rants or flames, don't waste my time. Oh the irony! There are nicer ways to ask for help you know. Starting of by flaming people, then preemptively trying to make them refrain from flaming you isn't going to help much. Anyway, some general pointers for the Debian newbie: 1) docs are in order of preference: man-pages, /usr/share/doc/packagename, info-pages, the config files themselves, the various debian docs (available on the website), google, this mailinglist (see google) and then everything else. 2) If you want something more easy to configure as a desktop system, use ubuntu. It caters to your kind of user. In Debian everything Just Works(TM) but not the way you expect it to. 3) whenever trying to configure something, first find out what package you need. (search with aptitude or synaptic) Make sure they are installed. Read the portions in /usr/share/doc. If you don't know where to start for installing software, at least read the relevant portions of the installation guide, or you'll end up getting flamed a lot more. packagenames for your problems: printing - cups (install it and browse to localhost:631 or something) multimedia - there's xine, mplayer, vlc. You can use totem as the frontend for xine (install totem-xine). You need w32codecs for a lot of the formats out there (uses windows codecs for playback). There are packages available from debian-multimedia.org greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XML editor wanted!
On 2/1/07, Johannes Graumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Hi. Am crawling through the web on a search for a proper XML editor, that makes life easier and speaks XSD ... got suckered into a trial license of oxygen for Eclipse ... and am loving it ... Desperation takes over: is there no NICE XML editor that's licensed compatibly with the Debian guidelines? What are you looking for? I think most people use emacs and vim for xml editing (you might have to look about a bit for getting in the right 'mode' in emacs, maybe install a script or two for vim). These do the basic stuff such as syntax highlighting and automatic creation of close-tags. You can run some validation tool from inside them usually to see errors (and possibly jump to them). Eclipse seems to have a bunch of xml plugins, usually a bunch of open source ones too. I have never used oxygen (which is named a bit too similar to doxygen) so I'm not sure what you're looking for. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: goddammit
On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 01:59:30PM +0100, Wim De Smet wrote: On 2/2/07, Incoming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before anyone decides to engage in infantile gibberish, otherwise known as rants or flames, don't waste my time. Oh the irony! There are nicer ways to ask for help you know. Starting of by flaming people, then preemptively trying to make them refrain from flaming you isn't going to help much. I didn't read any of it as a flame -- more like a scream of agony. I read this thing sucks, you need to be a systems engineer to be able to use it. Sounds like a flame to me. But no matter. Anyway, some general pointers for the Debian newbie: 1) docs are in order of preference: man-pages, /usr/share/doc/packagename, info-pages, the config files themselves, the various debian docs (available on the website), google, this mailinglist (see google) and then everything else. The trouble with Debian is that is is an old distro, and some of its documentation has become seriously out-of-date. If there was some way of maintaining the documentation along with the code, that would be great! I second that. The docs on the site are somewhat out of date. The stuff in /usr/share/doc is usually up to date though, so is the install guide. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch is REALLY fast! :-)
On 1/31/07, Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I've a question on behalf of the Debian Ombudsman Team: - Is there any current issue you would like to see solved into our post-etch release (Lenny) ? Something I'd actually like to see resolved before the release is the whole info-files mess. Open up man ls on your etch system, it says you'll find the entire docs at info ls, but it's not there. Why? Apparently dpkg install-info is borked (and has been for a good many years). The maintainers of coreutils refuse to change their manpages to say info coreutils ls (and right they are) and install-info doesn't seem to get fixed. Anyway, now and then I find this inane problem in Debian that I think really shouldn't be getting past QA. I found some relevant bugreports. [1][2] Notice that that last bug has severity wishlist but if you think about it this will hit a lot of new debian users. They'll go into the manpage, see that they could be reading the info pages, try it and end up on the manpage. Doesn't break the functionality of the package much, but if the docs are so hopelessly borked how are users supposed to actually find them before coming into #debian or on this list asking questions? Don't take this as slagging off Debian, I still think it's the best distro out there and etch on the whole definitely is doing really good. greets, Wim [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388684 [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=139569 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: top post fixer?
On 1/24/07, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John C wrote: It's kinda like a religious fanaticism... everyone should act and believe like I do. And yes, you're absolutely right - there is too much bile being spewed at top posters. No, it's not. It's called a convention for communicating with one another. Do you call it religious fanaticism that everyone is taught the language of the location they were born? I certainly don't, I called it an education. Simply put top-posting marks the poster as uneducated in how to communicate online, period. The fanatics insisted that the background should be black and the text white because that was the natural way to view a computer screen. It was the way that it would always remain. Of course, when I went to my office supply store and tried to buy some black paper and white ink they thought I was crazy. Of course they are. I would, too. Now to explain *your* ignorance. Paper is REFLECTIVE. Monitors are PROJECTIVE. What's that mean? It means that paper REFLECTS the light that hits it. Without an outside source of light you wouldn't see jack on paper. However a monitor PROJECTS light. In the absence of all other light you would still see a text on the monitor. Don't believe me, wait until midnight, take a piece of paper, go into a room with a monitor, open up your black-on-white terminal and turn off all other lights, windows, doors, etc and you'll notice 2 things. 1: The BLINDING WHITE BACKGROUND ON THE MONITOR PREVENTS YOU FROM BEING VERY PRODUCTIVE AND... 2: the paper ain't projecting much but sure reflects the the light of the monitor. White on black is visible both in high light and low light situations without being blinding. The reverse is not true. It is because of the projective nature of monitors. So, again, it isn't a religious debate. Religious debates are ones of lunacy. This one, and the one about posting, are based on facts. Scientific, to be sure, debatable definitely, but not religious. Only the religious ignore the FACTS. Then again, contrast is higher with light-on-dark sometimes increasing eye strain. If your whites are blinding you you might just want to adjust your monitor brightness and/or contrast. I personally prefer dark-on-white terminals but then it's not just the colours, it's also a function of the fonts used (weight of the font, is it anti-aliased or not, etc.) One of the reasons I prefer dark on light is the excessive use of blue in ls output (which I tend to use a lot). Blue doesn't contrast well with black. That's the other side of the argument. Though you have a lot of good points. If I'm not mistaken eye doctors will generally advise anyone with problems reading text to use a light-on-dark scheme because of the better contrast. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help with C algorythm (find unique value in an array) could you please make changes
On 1/22/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/22/07 08:12, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:30:29AM +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 09:17:08PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 06:54:44PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: This smells like CompSci homework. g I was thinking the same thing. I think it's our duty to provide the most cunning/evil solution possible then :) Yes, well I don't think that recommending he redo the homework in Lisp from within Emacs is very nice. Not a bad idea, actually. Other good languages for implementation: GW-BASIC FORTRAN IV COBOL 66 FORTH Haskell. (anyone who can whip that up? shouldn't be hard) Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)
On 1/11/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet said... On 1/11/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's my point, really: why continue to clone TC, when there are so many additional functions out there on other tools that leave TC in the dust? If devs stick their heads in the sand and ignore developments then things will atrophy. In fact, in the domain of file mangers, I think they atrophied some time ago on Linux. And that's a shame. I know that in the case of nautilus at least the devs have chosen to drop a lot of options in the name of usability. In the same way that Bush uses the word 'freedom' ;-) Reducing functionality does not equate to improved usability. Chopping off my legs certainly makes me a more compact human being. Gouging out my eyes makes my brain less 'bloated'. Adding features sacrifices clarity and consistency for a (perceived) gain in productivity and/or usability. (by some definition) My point is that where you draw the line is a matter of personal preference. You could try backing up your particular view with market research but I'm not sure if anyone has done that for nautilus. I seem to recall some studies a couple of years ago about gnome usability at red hat(?). [...] What I actually think is that Linux app devs are the most conservative on the planet. I think that once an app is mainstream - gains some recognition - that that conservatism is compounded and a fear of failure takes over and the atrophy begins. Worse, sometimes the app regress - I cite Gnome as the leading example. I think what you should really do right now is scratch that itch and build your own file manager. LOL The cry of the true conservative. At least you didn't suggest I go back to Windows, which you clearly love or some such nonsense. It's not nonsense. If you really think that you can build something better than anything that is currently out there, you should. I think you are the conservative one in this argument, waiting for the world to mold to your idea of how it should be, instead of actively changing it. (isn't being progressive actively supporting change?) There are some excellent areas of innovation in Linux - and there always will be - but 'success' seems to taint apps with the kiss of death, or, at least, turns them to stone. I dunno, Gaim for instance has seen a lot of changes. Sure, it's a typical app, always going for the less is more approach in UI, but it sure did evolve into something better. Maybe what you're seeing is the interest lately in usability, and a particular view on usability that you don't support. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT/Sometimes Windows is better] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)
On 1/11/07, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's my point, really: why continue to clone TC, when there are so many additional functions out there on other tools that leave TC in the dust? If devs stick their heads in the sand and ignore developments then things will atrophy. In fact, in the domain of file mangers, I think they atrophied some time ago on Linux. And that's a shame. I know that in the case of nautilus at least the devs have chosen to drop a lot of options in the name of usability. And I personally don't think that's a bad thing. Your choice of words seems to indicate you do, but let's be clear that this is a personal preference. Personally I don't even _want_ my file manager to have all these fancy features. The devs of nautilus are not sticking their head in the sand, they've just got an entirely different philosophy of what a good file manager should do. I think what you should really do right now is scratch that itch and build your own file manager. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)
On 1/5/07, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet wrote: You're saying two things here. First you're saying it open()'s every file you come across, then you say it lists every directory. I've noticed it does list all files in a directory on the path you type (which on a system with sufficient ram only goes slow once but is indeed very annoying) but I don't think it's open()ing every file in those directories. This would require an ordinate amount of processing power not to mention disk I/O which I'm just not seeing. Try browsing to /usr/bin. As I wrote on this list last time this topic came up: The amazing thing is what it's doing. This includes: open /usr/bin getdents for each file stat it (to get modification time?) That's reasonable, and most programs would stop here with about .2 seconds used. Although a non-generic pick a program to use chooser shouldn't need to even care about getting modification times, which would bring it down to more like 0.001 seconds used. k this is the completion running. stat to get filetype? for each file open file use fstat on it (to get modification time? again?) read 4k of file contents, apparently to determine the file type to use in displaying various (identically meaningless) icons The second loop is the killer when it needs to read 3000 files. Tens of thousands of system calls, and the disk seeking all around to read some 12 mb of data. Pretty absurd indeed. This behavior is still happening with the current version, although the second loop only runs when it needs to display the content of a directory in the list box, so it can sometimes be avoided if a filename is typed in. Is there a bug in the gnome tracker? I couldn't find one but just had a cursory look. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)
On 1/5/07, Wesley J. Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 05 January 2007 08:02, Geoff Reidy wrote: Googling gnome file picker gives you a fair idea what people think of it. But wait, I just found a way to stop iceweasel using it, add this to user.js: The GNOME file picker is so bad, I'd rather run Firefox on Windows XP in Qemu than use Iceweasel with the GNOME file picker enabled. =) To be honest, I actually like it. The newest incarnation of it anyway. I think all those hits you'll come up will be at least partly based on the older one, which had a bit too many big buttons and a bit too little functionality. Then again, I like spatial browsing too, but most people seem to be trained on windows explorer and don't want anything else. Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT/FLAME] Horrible GNOME File Picker (Was: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple)
On 1/5/07, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 05 Jan 2007, Wim De Smet wrote: To be honest, I actually like it. The newest incarnation of it anyway. I think all those hits you'll come up will be at least partly based on the older one, which had a bit too many big buttons and a bit too little functionality. No, you got it wrong. It is kind of an Outlook(tm) problem: the engine below it is fubar, regardless of the UI. The file-picker tries to open() and read a part of every file to run it through mime-magic or whatever, which is *extremely slow*. I think they problably made it smart enough not to do it on special inodes, otherwise it would crap your system instantly if you tried to list /dev or in places where there are unix sockets and named pipes ;-) The fact that the file-picker it is also (IMO) a power-user detrimental design that requires more clicks to do something a proper file-picker would let you do with fewer is far more easily tolerated than the few secods wait it causes when trying to list a big directory. You're saying two things here. First you're saying it open()'s every file you come across, then you say it lists every directory. I've noticed it does list all files in a directory on the path you type (which on a system with sufficient ram only goes slow once but is indeed very annoying) but I don't think it's open()ing every file in those directories. This would require an ordinate amount of processing power not to mention disk I/O which I'm just not seeing. Personally I still think most people have a problem with the interface, not the underlying engine. Though the one thing about gnome that sometimes bothers me is the tendency to half-ass things like these. A tendency which is all too common in big open source projects tbh. Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NSS and PAM - What's the relation?
On 10/5/06, Grok Mogger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just what the title says. What is the relation between NSS and PAM? I understand that NSS basically tells C libraries where to get information. What's confusing is that two of the entries in the nsswitch.conf file are passwd and shadow. Are these entries for programs that don't use PAM, but instead have their own internal authentication mechanisms written in C? This is how I understand it: nsswitch configures where the databases with the given information are. (such as the 'passwd' database) PAM only provides authentication and, to some extent, user session setup. These databases however contain other information that programs can need, such as the groups, the uid, etc. So while PAM can authenticate against the same database, it is not closely related to nsswitch. pam_unix probably uses nsswitch to find out where it can find the information it needs though. hope that's correct, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DNS and resolv.conf
On 7/7/06, Tyler Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I think I've sorted out my internet connection problem, at least temporarily. I determined that I was having DNS problems, as I could ping numerical IP addresses, but not domain names. My resolv.conf file, as automatically generated, lists my router's address as the nameserver. I contacted my ISP and found out the DNS address they use, and added it manually to resolv.conf. Everything seems fine now. As noted above, normally this should work as your router would act as a DNS server itself. It is likely not setup properly or broken. I don't know much about networking, but from what I've read it seems that I should expect resolv.conf to get rewritten regularly. My questions are: 1) How to insure that the correct DNS address is included when resolv.conf is generated? Since the resolv.conf gets overwritten by your dhcp client I'd just configure the information there. I'm assuming here that you use the default dhclient, configuration with pump would be different. If so, have a look at /etc/dhclient.conf. There you can set an option such as: prepend domain-name-servers some-ip; The IP you specify there will be written to resolv.conf before the DHCP supplied IP. (which will be the IP of your router). So if you just add 2 lines prepending the DNS servers of your provider that should work fine. Resolvconf might allow you to do the same but I've generally found it a bit cumbersome to set up. 2) Do ISPs change DNS addresses often? Is there a way to detect it when it happens, so I don't have to call them up for the new one every time it happens? You could just try attaching your machine to the uplink instead of to the router if possible and then run dhclient. That way you'd get the provider-supplied DNS servers. Your router probably has the modem built in though so I'm guessing that wouldn't work for you. Your best bet is actually going into the router configuration and find out why it's not setting up DNS properly. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google Earth display problem
On 6/18/06, David E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other thing - I can only run it at depth 16. It falls over at depth 24, and if I try depth 32, X falls over - the driver dan't do debth 32. All of this is with X.org 6.9 - latest I have in Etch - the 7.0 packages seem to be held back. Note that there is no such thing in X as color depth 32. The maximum color depth is 24, with bits per pixel being 32. XFree86 used to have this in its FAQ, not sure if that's still around with X.org. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Firefox's middlemouse.contentLoadURL keep getting reset?
On 6/5/06, Adam Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know how to use about:config to sett middlemouse.contentLoadURL to true in order to enable pasting links directly in. But why does this customized value get annoyingly reset to false with every upgrade? Are you running unstable? I myself am and the default behaviour is 'true'. I'm not sure why your default behaviour would be different. That it keeps resetting on upgrade is even weirder, here all values I changed are saved across upgrades. Something else must be up I guess? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Unstable] NFS problems
Just a blind guess, but is your lo interface mounted? Try doing ifconfig, if there's no configured interface with address 127.0.0.1 then that might cause weirdness like the stuff you're seeing. On 5/16/06, El Virolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem still hasn't been fixed in the latest updates ... Can anyone please help me ? Thanks, Alex.
Re: Debian-specific behavior: 'useradd -m' ?
On 4/10/06, Matt England [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ useradd myname ...creates an a login named myname with a home directory of /home/myname (or whatever pathname format the system conf/template files specify). On at least some flavor of Debian systems (I tested with Debian3.1-based derivations), the home directory is *not* created unless one uses the -m switch as in: Might want to use the search on the mailinglist archives. Anway, useradd is for low lvl stuff, adduser is the script for adding users. read man adduser and man useradd. And yes it's a very frequently asked question. greets, Wim
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On 2/24/06, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail. I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it down. Hint: it is there, your client isn't showing it, and it is related to gpg support. Mutt doesn't show it (by default? I don't know if this can be changed). There are some mails in this thread for me where I don't have the UNSUBSCRIBE directions at the bottom. I tried using gmail's show original feature and it didn't show the 2 lines. Also, one of the mails wasn't gpg signed (the one by Scott). So perhaps it's a list software problem, instead of being related to gpg settings. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] On this one it obviously did show up, so gmail isn't swallowing them all. greets, Wim
Re: Shutdown w/o root password.
On 12/17/05, Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why I don't need to supply the root password to shutdown the computer from gnome?... I've been searching for any option related but didn't find any. For those that don't know. gdm runs as root, yes. And so does x.org. They have to if they are going to access hardware and certain network ports. In any case, the reason for the whole gdm thing is quite simple. When you are at the gdm login screen and you select restart, gdm pops up a little dialog. But when you logout from within gnome, it is actually a command that is sent to gdm (over some transport, corba?) and gdm here has no way to ask you for your root password (so it doesn't). Instead, it shows the (broken) behaviour of actually executing the shutdown command. Now, on to configuration. The only way to disable this right now is by disabling reboot commands in gdm. And to do that you need to open gdm.conf and change lines like this: RebootCommand=/sbin/shutdown -r now Rebooted from gdm menu. to: RebootCommand= That should do the work. Do not comment it out 'cause then gdm will fallback to it's default (which will still work to shutdown). Hope that helps, Wim
Re: can't load fglrx
On 12/22/05, ericradt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am install ati driver 8.20.8 in my system,kernel 2.6.14 patch with ' vesafb',but now i can't load the fglrx modules, when i run modprobe fglrx with bash,there are this error in terminal FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.14/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted dmesg ,the error is like this [fglrx:firegl_stub_register] *ERROR* Unable to the open some already present DRM kernel module! so i think if the error is come from the kernel,or i would like to patch the patch 'vesafb',i am install kernel not uses --initrd, compiled the kernel,is so fine, and how to solve it,thanks any advives, if must compiled kernel again, If I understand correctly you compiled DRI into the kernel for ati. You should not do this, since the fglrx driver has it's own dri code. In the kernel config this is found at Device DriversCharacter DevicesDirect Rendering Manager. It could be that this feature is compiled as a module. If it is, you need to stop it from getting loaded at boot, or unload it after boot with rmmod, do lsmod to get a list of loaded modules. rmmod on a dri module might not work though, be sure to stop X before trying this, since X will be using the module. greets, Wim
Re: Kernel source tree for installed kernel, and config file: how to get?
On 12/22/05, Fred Proctor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed Debian Testing via the netinstall, and have a kernel 2.6.12-1-386 from Debian testing (etch). I'd like to make some changes to the kernel source, namely the device driver for my sound chip. I installed what I thought was the kernel source, and expected to see -1-386 in the source tree top-level Makefile's symbol for EXTRAVERSION. However, it's blank. I built this kernel, booted from it, and had different behavior from the one that came in binary form with the netinstall. The problem is with my CD-DVD RW. With the default kernel, it appears fine as /dev/hda and works with several apps. With my compiled kernel, it appears as /dev/scd0 and doesn't work with several apps. How can I get the actual kernel source used to build the binary kernel installed with Debian netinstall? I expect the procedure to be this: 1. apt-get install kernel-source-something 2. cd /usr/src/kernel-source-something # verify Makefile has EXTRAVERSION = -1-386, change to -1-386-custom 3. cp /boot/config-2.6.12-1-386 .config 4. make xconfig # just save and quit 5. make bzImage modules modules_install # verify /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386-custom 6. cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-386-custom 7. cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.12-1-386-custom 8. mkinitrd -o initrd.img 2.6.12-1-386-custom cp initrd.img /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-1-386-custom 9. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, clone entry for default kernel As I said, doing this I didn't see the telltale EXTRAVERSION = -1-386, and when finished the kernel wasn't the same as far as /dev/hda behaviour and some other things scrolling by on the boot console. See if the module can be built against the kernel headers. There's a package you can install (linux-headers-... I think, might still be kernel-headers-... in sarge). This would be the way you can compile extra modules. If that won't work and you still want an extra module it would probably be easiest to just compile the entire kernel instea
Re: Kernel source tree for installed kernel, and config file: how to get?
On 12/22/05, Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/22/05, Fred Proctor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed Debian Testing via the netinstall, and have a kernel 2.6.12-1-386 from Debian testing (etch). I'd like to make some changes to the kernel source, namely the device driver for my sound chip. I installed what I thought was the kernel source, and expected to see -1-386 in the source tree top-level Makefile's symbol for EXTRAVERSION. However, it's blank. I built this kernel, booted from it, and had different behavior from the one that came in binary form with the netinstall. The problem is with my CD-DVD RW. With the default kernel, it appears fine as /dev/hda and works with several apps. With my compiled kernel, it appears as /dev/scd0 and doesn't work with several apps. How can I get the actual kernel source used to build the binary kernel installed with Debian netinstall? I expect the procedure to be this: 1. apt-get install kernel-source-something 2. cd /usr/src/kernel-source-something # verify Makefile has EXTRAVERSION = -1-386, change to -1-386-custom 3. cp /boot/config-2.6.12-1-386 .config 4. make xconfig # just save and quit 5. make bzImage modules modules_install # verify /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386-custom 6. cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-386-custom 7. cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.12-1-386-custom 8. mkinitrd -o initrd.img 2.6.12-1-386-custom cp initrd.img /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-1-386-custom 9. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, clone entry for default kernel As I said, doing this I didn't see the telltale EXTRAVERSION = -1-386, and when finished the kernel wasn't the same as far as /dev/hda behaviour and some other things scrolling by on the boot console. See if the module can be built against the kernel headers. There's a package you can install (linux-headers-... I think, might still be kernel-headers-... in sarge). This would be the way you can compile extra modules. If that won't work and you still want an extra module it would probably be easiest to just compile the entire kernel instea Sorry, didn't mean to send that. To complete my sentence: If that won't work and you still want an extra module it would probably be easiest to just compile the entire kernel instead of just the modules. If you're doing it the way you pasted you were recompiling it anyway. kernel-package can often make this a bit easier and manageable (creates (un)installable .debs). greets, Wim
Re: [OT] good laptops
On 12/13/05, Rob Benton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering what everyone's opinion was on a good quality laptop. I bought a Dell desktop for my mom almost a year ago and it wasn't such a good deal. So any place that takes trade-ins is a plus. I'm not really worried about compatibility with Linux since she'll only be using Windows XP. A strange question to be asking here then but I guess you're not on any windows mailing lists. :) I got an acer travelmate 4102WLMi. Don't buy that one, it sucks. The DSDT for acpi is completely screwed. That they got it working with windows is a testament to windows' tolerance towards crappy hardware. I had to load a fixed one into my kernel in ubuntu. The battery life is good though. But when using windows on it I noticed they throttle the processor pretty agressively (you can change these settings though) which caused the whole desktop experience to slow down to a crawl. When I was looking for a laptop everybody told me IBM was the way to go but they're kinda hard to get around here (and expensive). They're sold by Lenovo now but I don't think that has much bearing on their quality. I'm pretty sure the thinkpads are pretty good, if you can get one. greets, Wim
Re: Controlling volume levels from command line
On 12/8/05, Justin Gallardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking for a way to control the volume on my laptop through the command line for some time now. I use ion3, so I don't have the nice apps one would find in Gnome readily available. Any ideas? Justin If you use alsa then I'd suggest alsamixer. It's in the alsa-utils package. greets, Wim
Re: jerks
On 12/8/05, Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to make a Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) out of a SUN W2100z (dual AMD64). Every few seconds, at seemingly random times, everything freezes for ~50ms. Even the mouse. Sometimes. Reliable at the first card moved in Aisle Riot Solitaire and when Jack is running. Often when I'm typing email (chars don't get from the keyboard to the screen). I know that's not much of a description, but I don't know where to start looking for this. I'm assuming interrupts are being disabled entirely momentarily. My background says it's time for a bus monitor, but I don't have one handy. This happens with a 2.6 kernel from the current updated Sarge or a 2.4 from DeMuDi 1.2.1 distro. Anybody have any idea how to begin tracing this down? Or maybe a better explanation of what's going on? Have you checked dmesg output? Perhaps messages about spurious interrupts? greets, Wim
Re: [root user] How to disable root account?
On 12/1/05, Christian Folini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:24:28 -0600 Dave Sherohman wrote: sudo is great for tracking who does what as root and for preventing yourself from accidentally doing something with greater powers than intended, but it can very easily be counterproductive if your intent is to increase resistance to unauthorized access. The sudo/wheel approach is also a handy one when you want to update the root password regularly, but you do not want to tell it to everyone. Say you work in an heterogenous enterprise with lots of admins having their unix workstation. They need root permissions on their desktop machine, but you do not want to distribute the root password (lacking the encrypted channel to reach everyone for example). Then you can add them to the wheel group and give them a root shell that way. Meanwhile you can update the root password without any problem. Ubuntu follows this road a bit further by setting a random root password nobody actually knows. This seems consequent to me. But having to explain to my boss why i do not know the root password of our linux workstations did not seem that attractive. sudo passwd lets you set the root password of course. :-) greets, Wim
Re: mozilla security: hangs after clicking on binary file
On 8/23/05, H. S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, _H. S._, on 22/08/05 18:39,typed: Hi, Due to the various sshd dictionary (apparent) attacks I have been observing in my syslog, I tried a little seach on what script or worm or bot is doing this and discovered this site: http://dev.gentoo.org/~krispykringle/sshnotes.txt When I click on sshf on this url: http://dev.gentoo.org/~krispykringle/ssh_kits/ssh/ , mozilla seems to hang. I waited for a few seconds and then killed mozilla and used wget to download the ssf file. The file seems to be: $ file sshf sshf: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, statically linked, not stripped Just being paranoid, but why would mozilla hang on when I click on sshf link on the above URL? Or is it just waiting to do something? The CPU load monitor shows high load. Hopefully I haven't shot myself in the boot :) -HS Apologies for the incomplete info and for hasty email: 1. Given a few more seconds, the binary is actually loaded in the Mozilla window. It is not actually running --- so I was just being paranoid. 2. Running Mozilla 1.7.8-1sarge1 on Testing, 2.6.11 kernel. -HS Try wgetting the file again and see what kind of Content-Type the server sends. It probably doesn't know the filetype so sends something standard like text/html which causes the browser to think it can open the file. greets, Wim
Re: www.debian.org down?
On 8/25/05, Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 09:06:54AM +0200, Nico De Ranter wrote: Is anybody else having problems reaching the debian website? I can't reach www.debian.org or security.debian.org. DNS still works (ah, wait, they appear to be the same machine 194.109.137.218. hardware problem? scheduled downtime?). I was going to ask you to post a new message for a new topic, don't reply to an existing, unrelated thread, as your message was threaded with the discussion about the Reply-To header in my client. However, in inspection of your message's headers, I cannot see _why_ tis is the case: I can't see References: or In-Reply-To: headers. So I don't know why my mailer made this decision. Does anyone else have an idea? These I can see: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your mailer (mutt?) might be ignoring them. If it is mutt, try using h to open the message. greets, Wim
Re: Portable OGG Player
On 8/26/05, Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/6/05, Steven Pasternak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Does anybody know if there is such thing as a portable OGG player? (like iPod,MuVO,etc. NOT software) -Steven I'm going to buy a samsung YP-C1Z, which is a 1GB flash player that supports ogg and is quite reasonable in price (I think). I'll post here how it turns out. So I got to test it today. seems to work great, one battery is included plus some songs so you can use it quite out of the box. You can drag folders (using usb mass storage) onto it and play the folders. My ogg files seem to be working great, including the display of tags. The only downside are the earphones which seem a bit crappy. The quality of the sound is okay but I think it certainly could be better. And the player is still a bit bulky (after all, you have to get an AA battery in there) so personally I think the necklace thing doesn't work that well. Overall, I'm content with it. It does what I want it to :) greets, Wim
Re: Portable OGG Player
On 8/6/05, Steven Pasternak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Does anybody know if there is such thing as a portable OGG player? (like iPod,MuVO,etc. NOT software) -Steven I'm going to buy a samsung YP-C1Z, which is a 1GB flash player that supports ogg and is quite reasonable in price (I think). I'll post here how it turns out. greets, Wim
Re: Eclipse on Debian - No Java?
On 7/26/05, Redefined Horizons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just installed Sun's JDK on my Debian Sarge OS. Java appears to be running just fine when I run java -version from the terminal. I installed IBM's Eclipse 3.01. Eclipse fires up with no problem when I double-click eclipse.exe. However, I'm not able to create any Java projects from within Eclipse. The Java section is also missing from the Eclipse Preferences dialog. eclipse.exe?
Re: Cd writing tool under Linux
On 7/16/05, Dennis Stosberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 16.07.2005 um 06:15 schrieb Benjamin Sher: Those are not my instructions but those of the author, who very explicitly requires that K3b always run as root. And what do you think, why the k3b authors wrote k3bsetup, which sets up all of cdrecord, cdrdao, growisofs, etc. in a way to be usable for a normal user? k3b never needs root privileges. You might think about setting the SUID bit on cdrecord and cdrdao, although that's not necessary, too. normal user access to recording devices has been broken many times in the past by changes in the kernel API. It often doesn't work reliably and therefore it's safer to run K3B as root. If you're in a multi-user environment that's not an option, but if you're the administrator and you know what you're doing I wouldn't see why not. greets, Wim
Re: Cd writing tool under Linux
On 7/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: normal user access to recording devices has been broken many times in the past by changes in the kernel API. It often doesn't work reliably and therefore it's safer to run K3B as root. If you're in a multi-user environment that's not an option, but if you're the administrator and you know what you're doing I wouldn't see why not Why not using a 2.6.x kernel? This kernels have its own hardware abstraction layer daemon (hald) and I think it is very useful in this cases. I use that kernel version on my PC and I can write CD and DVD images using normal users accounts, I didn't try to do so on a remote machine with a multi-user environment but I think it must work too. I was actually talking about 2.6 kernels. The new security model that was introduced a while back broke this compatibility for quite a while with cdrecord. greets, Wim
Re: set language in bash
On 7/17/05, Vegard|drageV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to install a program using apt-get, and I'm getting an errormessage wich I do not understand. At the moment the bash language is set to norwegian, and I wish to temporarily to set the language to english so I can post the errormessage here on the list. How do I do this? Using bash shell on sarge. If you make your root shell a login shell (su -)you usually get an environment without locales. In any other case: export LANG=en_US will probably work. greets, Wim
Re: FTP authentification issue
On 7/15/05, Benjamin Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 15 July 2005 08:58 am, Wim De Smet wrote: On 7/15/05, Benjamin Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends: I have run into an unusual and inexplicable FTP authentification issue. It's the first time I've ever had this problem in Linux, and I've been using the same Dell 8200 Dimension computer for five years (on both WinXP and different flavors of Linux). I've discussed this with my IP and my web host. They have advised me that it's working fine at their end and they have made sure to clear any firewall obstacles. My FTP works fine in Windows, but not in Debian. Or rather, let me say that it was working fine the first two days of install, but for the past three days has not. The situation is rather confusing. First, here is the output of ftp in the console. Clearly, it's working fine, showing the remote file system and uploading and downloading successfully: ... Sounds like a problem between clients trying active/passive ftp. Could you verify whether the gui clients are trying to connect via active or via passive ftp? mvg, Wim Dear Wim: Thank you for writing. How would I verify this. Please give me the precise command in the console and I'll be glad to do this. Try running ftp with the -v and -d switch in the console and list the output somewhere. You can also supply the -p switch to force it to try passive ftp. For the gui clients, it should be listed somewhere in the server options or the likes. For instance for gftp click FTP-Options-FTP tab, then there's a checkbox at the bottom which says passive/active transfers. You can also check ignore PASV address there. If you have to check that with passive before it works, it's a configuration problem on the server's side. greets, Wim
Re: FTP authentification issue
On 7/15/05, Benjamin Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends: I have run into an unusual and inexplicable FTP authentification issue. It's the first time I've ever had this problem in Linux, and I've been using the same Dell 8200 Dimension computer for five years (on both WinXP and different flavors of Linux). I've discussed this with my IP and my web host. They have advised me that it's working fine at their end and they have made sure to clear any firewall obstacles. My FTP works fine in Windows, but not in Debian. Or rather, let me say that it was working fine the first two days of install, but for the past three days has not. The situation is rather confusing. First, here is the output of ftp in the console. Clearly, it's working fine, showing the remote file system and uploading and downloading successfully: ... Sounds like a problem between clients trying active/passive ftp. Could you verify whether the gui clients are trying to connect via active or via passive ftp? mvg, Wim
Re: configuring a touchscreen monitor (samsung 173vt)
On 7/14/05, Håkan Olofsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Got the same problem at work with a Samung 173VT connected to a Linux thinclient. I missed the mutouch driver in that Linux distribution, but I only had to copy it from another Linux machine and put it in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input. Then I got it working.The following XF86Config entries solved the problem: [...] Hey, thanks for your belated answer. I got it working in the end. I should've probably posted the results here but I kinda forgot about it. :( greets, Wim
Re: How useful is apt-spy?
On 6/14/05, David Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanting to upgrade from Woody to Sarge and having a slow modem (not one of those ultra-modern 56K things), I thought apt-spy might be a useful thing to use to find the fastest mirror. I have no complaints about the result because I have no way of knowing how much faster or slower it would have been if I hadn't used the mirror in Brazil that came out fastest in their test. However, since apt-spy took 50 minutes to run through all the mirrors and the download itself took about 15 hours, I wonder how useful apt-spy's tests were. I have the feeling that I was wasting my time with apt-spy since the potential download speeds from the various servers would be unpredictable shortly after the sampling, but I don't know how much and how fast these things do vary. When I last tried it the results where less than reliable. I'm not sure about the theory behind it but with your kind of hardware I wouldn't have bothered to run apt-spy. Might I have been better off just looking for the server nearest to me geographically? yes greets, Wim
Re: Top posting
Hi, Okay, since we're talking about etiquette: You're not supposed to send mails on a public mailing list to people directly (only send to the person and the mailinglist if they specifically request a CC). Sometimes the thread goes offtopic and it becomes a personal discussion but this is not one of those cases. On to your message. On 6/10/05, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday June 9 2005 3:06 pm, Wim De Smet wrote: For example, you sent your boss a mail 2 weeks ago about feature x you want to implement and he sends you a reply now saying 'go ahead'. Smart users would change the subject at that point and continue the thread. Subject: RE: New feature in Big Project ...becomes... Subject: Go Ahead on New Feature in Big Project ...or... Subject: Go ahead RE: New feature in Big Project and a slightly more verbose expansion on that go ahead in the traditional location. I don't see how this is in anyway usefull. I'll have to read the message to get possible specifics anyway, and the boss's broken email software might not pick up on the fact that it is in the same thread when I send a reply. (maybe not such a valid point) I do agree with you that the body of the message should allways reiterate what is set in the subject. That is simply good writing form. Those really are two different use cases, but on a mailinglist it is handy if everybody has the same style of posting (top or bottom). Also, many newbies on a mailinglist are not very good with email. Again, what's with this newbies aren't expected to do it right and aren't allowed to learn attitude? Newbies are ignorant, not stupid. They can learn. You cut in the wrong place. So basically I went off on a tangent here, it wasn't really related to the former sentence except in the sense that you should try to establish some sort of mailing list policy and don't be so surprised if newbies get it wrong. If you tell them _politely_ what is the accepted practice on this or that mailing list, they'll probably follow you. I realize that wasn't exactly clear, but I never meant to say you shouldn't try to tell people what is the preferred practice. It's one of my pet peeves: when people write a mail in real life, they do all they can they follow a set standard of writing mail. But when they go online, they seem to go crazy. Perhaps less so on this list (where some people seem to forget the role of punctuation), but in places where HTML mails are allowed, it's really bad. I hope this is one of the things modern education puts an end to. Instead of teaching 12 year olds how they 'use' MS Word, they could teach em something usefull for a change. My school district made rfc1855 mandatory if you wanted to use network resources. And I left this in for completeness since nobody on the mailing list got a chance to read your reply yet. Next time please reply to the list. By the way, you might want to tone it down a little bit. The agressive language is getting on my nerves a little bit, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. This is also a part of email etiquette. Top and bottom posting is not a settled argument, people have been going back and forward on it for ages and there is still no end in sight. Sure there are a couple of ways to reply to a message that are ostensibly bad, given an example, but this is not allways the case. In many cases, both ways of replying can be acceptable, which was my original point. Wim
Re: Top posting
[...] I understand the reasons why bottom posting is supposed to be better but if I am following the thread, which is normally the case if I'm actually reading it, then I find it quicker to read just the top section of each post rather than having to scroll down past everything I've already read. There isn't a problem with context because I can remember that from one post to the next. If the author wants to quote a section of the previous post they can in the extreme they end up inlining their post. [...] I think it's not necessarily wrong to use top posting. I just feel like both manners of posting have their place. When you are just including a mail for reference to something, and then make a reply that is partly unrelated, I don't mind top posting. When it's a discussion like this one, I'd say bottom posting is the way to go. For example, you sent your boss a mail 2 weeks ago about feature x you want to implement and he sends you a reply now saying 'go ahead'. That might as well be top posted since that's the end of the conversation. The mail's only there for reference if you can't make out what it's about from the subject.On the other hand, in public discussion where you are replying to mails which elaborate on several points with long lists of arguments, I think you should bottom post. Those really are two different use cases, but on a mailinglist it is handy if everybody has the same style of posting (top or bottom). Also, many newbies on a mailinglist are not very good with email. It's one of my pet peeves: when people write a mail in real life, they do all they can they follow a set standard of writing mail. But when they go online, they seem to go crazy. Perhaps less so on this list (where some people seem to forget the role of punctuation), but in places where HTML mails are allowed, it's really bad. I hope this is one of the things modern education puts an end to. Instead of teaching 12 year olds how they 'use' MS Word, they could teach em something usefull for a change. greets, Wim
Re: Debian is ugly -- package for beautification?
On 5/14/05, Ryan D. Egeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick one as I couldn't find elsewhere. Libranet, ubuntu, knoppix, etc. all have very nice login prompts, default color for ls, high-resolution console bootup, etc. I agree these should not be part of a default install, but is there a simple meta-package or something that could customize the system scripts to make things a bit prettier? Bob I think they almost all use framebuffer while debian does not. So as somebody else said, you're probably going to have to recompile your kernel to get the same result. greets, Wim
Re:
On 5/12/05, sabina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please i need driver es 1373 In the future, I would advise you to use a subject in your mails and to be a little more verbose with your question. I'm going to assume that you know next to nothing about your kernel configuration. Follow these steps: do uname -r. If it is 2.2.20, install a newer kernel like so: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 You can see all kernel images by searching for them: (handy if you have a different type of processor, or are not running woody) apt-cache search 'kernel-image' After that, make sure lilo is configured well (probably is), let the install run it, and reboot. Now, if you have a decent number kernel, as root run: modconf and look for the section with audio drivers. In that section, try out a few and you will probably find a good one for your soundcard. Once you have installed the driver in the kernel, install a mixer program like aumix, and make sure your sound is not muted. greets, Wim P.S.: If you are running woody, I'd suggest upgrading to sarge (currently still 'testing'). It's quite stable, much more featurefull and will be the next stable soon. P.P.S: soon means 'when hell freezes over'
Re: Eclipse: X eats up 280 MB of memory
On 5/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I'm using KDE, six virtual desktops and a two-head setup with two screens of 1280x1024 resolution. When my machine is started top shows that X takes about 40 MB of memory. That seems normal to me. But when I start Eclipse X eats 280 MB of memory. Is this normal? Together with some other applications my 512 MB of RAM are full and it uses 890 MB of Swap! X usage can also include your video memory, so it's not allways a problem when it seems to use a lot of memory (check the FAQ in the package docs). Now you state after that you're using 890MB of Swap, is that also from the JVM or are your other apps using it? Specifically, what does top say about resident memory usage? I'd rather like not to buy another 512 MB RAM just for Eclipse... Is there a chance to reduce the memory consumption? Are others experiencing similar effects? When I start eclipse java uses up 43MB of physical memory. Is this v2.1 from non-free or 3.0? Could be that some sort of memory leak is occurring in the 2.1, I've heard earlier that the 3.0 version solved some bugs to this regard. You might want to download it and compare. Wim
Re: AMD cooling utility in debian
On 5/6/05, Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that is the case--at least, not in stock Debian kernels. I have an Athlon XP 1700+, and it idled at 45C until I installed athcool. Now it idles below 40C, sometimes as low as 30-32C in cooler weather. I have to agree, my Athlon 64 3200+ runs at least 5-10c cooler in Windows (with C'nQ) than in Linux. I think its because the default kernel state for powernow is 'Performance' which keeps the processor at full speed. As noted earlier, there's a difference between the desktop processors and the mobile ones. The power usage in the mobile ones can be reduced by reducing cpu frequency, but in the desktop athlon processors don't have power saving enabled by default, so you need to use a utility like athcool Wim
Re: Firefox: Selected profile is already in use
On 5/8/05, Deboo Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I changed the username of a user with the usermod command and also changed the home dir name to the new username, as well as any permissions etc. Now when I run firefox, it asks me to select one of the listed profiles but if I select any of the two, it says that the profile is already in use (even the default profile) and I should create a new one or select another. What do I need to do? This is under Debian testing. The problem with firefox is that it stores the dirname of the user somewhere in its config files. I'd suggest something like 'grep -R '/path/to/old/user/dir' .firefox') That'll recursively search all files in the firefox configuration directory for this path. You can then see where the most important entries are (probably prefs.js or the likes) and change it there. Alternatively, you can just backup bookmarks en rm -r .firefox but you never know you might have set some settings that you don't want to loose. (and deleting an other users' files is a bit rude) greets, Wim
Re: apt-get deprecated?
On 4/30/05, Lee Braiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 April 2005 08:52, Jules Dubois wrote: In one case, I must type apt-get install package In the other case, I may type aptitude install package Sure, I save one keystroke but there's no hyphen in aptitude. I think it about evens out. There is more difference between the two than that. I'm not quite sure why, but aptitude will often want to uninstall MANY packages, for things like a simple package install, that apt-get will happily do without bother. Personally, I just don't trust aptitude any more. Not that I'm blaming aptitude: I may simply not understand it, but aptitude definitely isn't a drop-in, more modern version of apt-get. Somebody else may have already responded to this, but anyway, the full answer as I see it is this. When starting aptitude, aptitude updates its own packages list by reading in the dpkg state and merging it with its own list. Now there's several bugs posted on aptitude (check bugs.debian.org) about its command line interface. Apparently, this loading of the package cache doesn't happen completely or reliably in command line mode, resulting in aptitude not knowing about any packages you installed with apt-get, or manually set to hold with dpkg (and not with aptitude). Running aptitude and going in the curses interface should be a reliable workaround. greets, Wim
Re: Tab completion i Debian and Knoppix
On 4/30/05, Nils-Erik Svangård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I recently did a reinstall of debian unstable from scratch on my computer, before that I ran debian unstable but installed from knoppix. There is a feature that I really miss, and I think its a configuration error on my part but Im not sure. When using bash I could do: latex tab an a list of all *.tex files would circle, when I do that now all files are listed, this wasnt just latex, it worked with dpkg, xdvi, dvips and a lot of other programs. Does anyone have any pointers where I can get more info on enabling that again? Thanks /nisse The other answers in this thread are close. I think the circling feature is related to bash programmable autocompletion. I would suggest you try to see what the knoppix configuration does different in /etc/bash_completion. I looked around a bit but didn't immediately find it. greets, Wim
Re: wget times out - but ftp works OK
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:27:51 +0100, Karsten Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello the following command: wget -nd ftp://80.198.12.199/pub/hans.burchard/aa gives the following output: krabbe% wget -nd ftp://80.198.12.199/pub/hans.burchard/aa --12:25:17-- ftp://80.198.12.199/pub/hans.burchard/aa = `aa' Connecting to 80.198.12.199:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done. == TYPE I ... done. == CWD /pub/hans.burchard ... done. == PASV ... and then hangs. If I do a normal anonymous ftp I can download the file OK. Have you tried other hosts? It could be that the host you are trying to connect to can only accept active ftp (passive ftp requires it to open a port to allow an extra connection from your host). Try a different host and see if that works. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mknod, /dev/hdb, /dev/cdrom problem
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:17:10 +0200, Necati DEMiR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try giving the file system type in your mount command: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /mnt/cdrom it didin't work. i am telling from stracth; i rebooted the machine; then # dmesg|grep hdb ide_setup: hdb=ide-scsi ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA hdb: HL-DT-ST GCE-8400B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive # ls /dev/ MAKEDEVinitctl ram14tty10 tty3 tty49 ttyS1 ttyS29 ttyS48 adsp inputram15tty11 tty30 tty5 ttyS10 ttyS3 ttyS49 agpgartkmem ram2 tty12 tty31 tty50 ttyS11 ttyS30 ttyS5 audio kmsg ram3 tty13 tty32 tty51 ttyS12 ttyS31 ttyS50 consoleloop ram4 tty14 tty33 tty52 ttyS13 ttyS32 ttyS51 core mem ram5 tty15 tty34 tty53 ttyS14 ttyS33 ttyS52 dspmixerram6 tty16 tty35 tty54 ttyS15 ttyS34 ttyS53 fb0net ram7 tty17 tty36 tty55 ttyS16 ttyS35 ttyS6 fd null ram8 tty18 tty37 tty56 ttyS17 ttyS36 ttyS7 fd0port ram9 tty19 tty38 tty57 ttyS18 ttyS37 ttyS8 full ppp random tty2 tty39 tty58 ttyS19 ttyS38 ttyS9 hdaprinter rtc tty20 tty4 tty59 ttyS2 ttyS39 urandom hda1 psauxshm tty21 tty40 tty6 ttyS20 ttyS4 vbi0 hda2 ptmx snd tty22 tty41 tty60 ttyS21 ttyS40 vcs hda3 pts sndstat tty23 tty42 tty61 ttyS22 ttyS41 vcs1 hda4 ram0 stderr tty24 tty43 tty62 ttyS23 ttyS42 vcs7 hda5 ram1 stdintty25 tty44 tty63 ttyS24 ttyS43 vcsa hda6 ram10stdout tty26 tty45 tty7 ttyS25 ttyS44 vcsa1 hda7 ram11tty tty27 tty46 tty8 ttyS26 ttyS45 vcsa7 hda8 ram12tty0 tty28 tty47 tty9 ttyS27 ttyS46 video0 hw_random ram13tty1 tty29 tty48 ttyS0 ttyS28 ttyS47 zero as you see there is no cdrom or hdb in /dev directory. what should i do after that? This seems strangely empty. Are you using devfs or something similar? udev maybe? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] depleted uranium
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:37:17 -0600, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 10:13 -0500, Christopher Judd wrote: On 29 Dec, dorn hetzel wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 09:48:56AM -0800, bandito wrote: i think they'd be used more as an environmental contaminant than something intended to actually cause death... setting off a big one in a city wouldnt kill THAT many people, but it'd keep them out of the contaminated area until the radioactive material was cleaned up (or a few millions years passes, whichever comes first). in that respect, i think the result is a bit similar DU as a contaminant isn't really much more or less problematic than say lead or mercury. Well, in some respects it's easier to clean up because it's very easy to separate from the environment because of it's radically heavier weight. DU's unique property that gets it used in so many weapons systems is its rather amazing density, pretty much the best transmitter of energy in the kinetic form that there ever was. Not saying that justifies it's use, just that it explains it... -Dorn Not exactly. In addition to its high density (~3 times that of lead), uranium is autopyrophorric. What that means is that when the shell hits a hard object, it ignites and burns. Good for killing people in tanks, but not for the environment. When a DU shell burns, the uranium oxides formed rapidly undergo gas to particle conversion. About 65 % of the particles formed are less than 5 microns in diameter. Particles in this size range can be transported for thousands of kilometers, and are respirable, depositing in the lung tissue. In addition, they can be resuspended from the ground by wind. The extent to which this occurs depends on the soil type, and is greatest in dry, sandy soils, which unfortunately are the places where most DU has been used. And what is it about depleted UO2 that is bad for people: chemical toxicity, or radioactivity? Actually more the physical caracteristics. As noted above it deposits in the lung tissue. From what I heard this has an effect similar to black lung that miners have. The particles get absorbed by the cells, which they kill, after which they get absorbed by other cells, etc, etc. Which can slowly kill you. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network connection fails after setup
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:32:45 -0800 (PST), Roger Creasy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:34:53 -0800 (PST), Roger Creasy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy! I set up sarge with kernel 2.4. This setup was done via a startup cd and http. During setup files were downloaded with no problem. After the setup was complete, I have no internet or network connection. Any suggestions for a fix? Is your network cable plugged in? The simplest solution is often the best. Yes it is plugged in and yes you correct regarding simple solutions. Anyway we'll need some more info, give us the output of lsmod (to see if your network driver is loaded), ifconfig -a, the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and whatever you get if you run dmesg | grep eth. Usually it's best to supply as much information as you can think of since we're going to be asking for it anyway. To send this requested info, since I don't have a network connection, I will have to write it down then type it into another computer then e-mail it. This will leave lots of room for me to make a mistake and give improper info. Can you simplify this process by telling me what I should look for? If not, I will gather the info and re-post... Firstly, if you do dmesg | grep eth and it gives you some output chances are your module is already loaded and has recognized the network card. In this case, read man interfaces and edit /etc/network/interfaces. If not, try lspci -v | less (This will give a lot of output so it's best to pipe it into less). Now look for something about a network card/chip. Report that back to us or try to figure out from the chipname which module you need. You can get a nice list of them by executing modconf. If you happend to find the right driver, see above. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network connection fails after setup
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:34:53 -0800 (PST), Roger Creasy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy! I set up sarge with kernel 2.4. This setup was done via a startup cd and http. During setup files were downloaded with no problem. After the setup was complete, I have no internet or network connection. Any suggestions for a fix? Is your network cable plugged in? The simplest solution is often the best. Anyway we'll need some more info, give us the output of lsmod (to see if your network driver is loaded), ifconfig -a, the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and whatever you get if you run dmesg | grep eth. Usually it's best to supply as much information as you can think of since we're going to be asking for it anyway. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:45:06 -0600, Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 08:49 +0100, Pascal Bonesh wrote: --snip-- What a wonderful world it would be if all people would just throw away their holy books and start thinking and acting as humans. Bravo! I second that wholeheartedly! Not following a religion doesn't automatically make one kind and generous. Nor can we infer from the opinion of a few that an entire religion is rotten, as I have said before. The basic law of christianity is still do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I think every of the big religions has that, some people just seem to want to forget about it. Anyway I agree on the second part. :-) greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:46:33 -0800, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Watkins wrote: In what way does ubuntu.org have a terrorist agenda? Or does pacifist equate to terrorist in your dictionary? When a pacifist defends those who behead innocents on video tape is there a difference? Terrorist has become such a bull-shit word. No. Terrorist isn't used enough. In fact Islamic Terrorist isn't used enough. People who behead other people with a machete so those being beheaded Calling people islamic terrorists is about the same as claiming that Islam is responsible for their actions. It certainly implies it. You can and should never hold an entire religion responsible for the acts of a few of its fundamentalists. After all, Bush is a christian too, but that doesn't mean all christians agree with him blowing up children in the Middle East. know what's happening the entire time aren't insurgents, they're terrorists. People who shoot unarmed, fleeing *children* are not militants, they're terrorists. You referring to the Israeli military or what? The worst terrorist is America, with your depleted uranium dirty-bombs which you throw around at every opportunity, Cite? Outside of Hiroshima and Nagasaki I don't recall a detonation of any atomic or nuclear device on any civilian population. In fact I don't even recall any *threat* of it aside from the Cold War with the USSR. One would do well to recall that it never went past a threat of it and America was not the only party there. depleted uranium bombs are the socalled bunker busters we hear so much about. On explosion extremely small particles get dispersed in the air forming a real environmental and health hazard. Depleted uranium will obviously not be able to be detonated, it just helps getting in the bunker. Get a clue. with your arms-companies selling land-mines to anyone who wants one, Never heard of that one. Even so chances are it is a decade or two old, no? No. with your oil before people capitalist mentality, Always love this one. People can never back it up. Besides given the alternatives to capitalism shown around the world I'll take capitalism any day of the week. You spew that work like it is dirty. Last I checked capitalism is the only system of commerce in which both parties enter into it freely and both can back out of it just as freely. Last time I checked as a way of life it, thus far, has resulted in the lowest number of deaths trying to enforce it's ideals exactly because it is cooperative and not zero-sum. Remind me again the death toll of Stalin and Pol Pot? It's a fact that long before Bush gained power there were already groups of people (that would later make it into his government as his close advisors) clamoring for the invasion of Iraq. Their intended goal was securing American intrests in the Middle East. If that's not about oil, I don't know what it's about. Certainly not about the good of the people. [snip shock and awe] with your consumerism and obesity in a world where people are starving, Yeah, and? It's called responsibility. We happen to have figured out the intricate workings of the condom. Rampant breeding and the expectation of everyone else to take care of the resulting population has far more to do with starvation than anything else. Look at the nations that aren't starving and you see a common trend; low births per couple. In some nations it is so low that the population will shrink. Less mouths to feed, more food per mouth. Simple math. People in Africa could feed themselves if it weren't for the constant wars. How much this is our fault is something to be debated, but your basic premise is at least wrong. Might I also point out that Bush is trying to convince people in foreign countries _not_ to use a condom, and not vice versa. Ask anyone with a bit of a clue in the matter and he'll tell you that the high births per couple is caused by low income and opportunity, not vice versa (more people can bring in more food). with your our lifestyle is more important than your life mentality. No. Our *life* is more important to us than your life is to us. Just as your life is more important to you than our life is. If it weren't then you wouldn't have the gimme, gimme, gimme attitude that everyone else should forgo their life just to pick up yours. I resent this attitude from a moral point of view. It is a biological imperative, nothing more. Take a good look at your own country's agenda. I do, all the time. I compare it to the two-faced liars elsewhere and am glad that, while we are far from perfect, we're far better than the majority of the world. I mean let's face facts. America, deposed Saddam, handed over the nation to the provisional government early and has the balls to stick it out to ensure free elections. It did so with broad coalition of nations
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:16:01 -0500, Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: You missed on of the best: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. This quote doesn't mention a time to think, even less a time to question... but if you started doing that, the bible - nor the quran - would not stand for very long. Unless you start to doublethink of course :-) Ecclesiates 3:1-8 = bull What do you think a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; means, then? I agree that the Q'uran contradicts itself numerous times, but there is no evidence of such thing in the Bible. Care to back up your statement? Uhm many wars were fought in the OT while in the NT Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek. Off course this can be seen as a correction or a new development or whatever. In any case the views conflict. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org
I'm gonna cut some passages here to get to the most outrageous first. On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:39:51 -0800, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet wrote: Calling people islamic terrorists is about the same as claiming that Islam is responsible for their actions. Facts are facts. Outside of a few isolated incidents with the Irish where has the majority of terrorism come from in the past several decades? Hell, outside a few isolated Irish incidents where has *ALL* terrorism come from? A few isolated Irish incidents? I'm sure the British will disagree with you there, especially about the few. Off the top of my hat I can also name the Red Brigades in Italy and there surely are others (notably in Asia and South America) It's a fact that long before Bush gained power there were already groups of people (that would later make it into his government as his close advisors) clamoring for the invasion of Iraq. Their intended goal was securing American intrests in the Middle East. If that's not about oil, I don't know what it's about. Certainly not about the good of the people. Then answer me this simple question. Where's the pipeline in Afghanistan? Better yet why isn't America implicated in the oil-for-food scam if it were all about oil? People are so quick to make rash claims of It's the oil, it's the oil! but never remember that the past several times they claimed it it didn't pan out. I didn't say it was about the oil in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was about Bin Laden and the Taliban, I can accept that though I may not agree with it. We were talking about Iraq. It doesn't have to be either about the oil or about the terrorists, it can be both you know. I pray to god your president is not as single-minded as you. [snip absolute drivel] How much this is our fault is something to be debated, but your basic premise is at least wrong. Not in the slightest. Your basic premise was that overpopulation caused famine. I said it was not, there is plenty of capacity for food production in Africa, it's just not being used. Might I also point out that Bush is trying to convince people in foreign countries _not_ to use a condom, No, he's not. He cut federal funding. Show me where it is our responsibility to subsidize the worlds condom use and I'll be right there with ya. Granted, he did it for the wrong reason but that's hardly convincing people in foreign countries _not_ to use a condom. If people in foreign countries are so mindless as to care what the president of the US thinks they should do with their dangly bits they have far more problems than I imagine. Again you do not have all the facts. Bush cut funding for programs promoting condoms and other means and he increased funding for programs promoting abstinence. Ask anyone with a bit of a clue in the matter and he'll tell you that the high births per couple is caused by low income and opportunity, not vice versa (more people can bring in more food). Oh, I'm well aware of that. However I am also quite aware that the human animal is capable of overriding it's biological imperatives. Just because higher birth rates are associated with those factors does not mean those factors automatically cause births. The people in question can choose not to bear more children then their local food stocks can feed. Having more children is among other things a way to ensure your pension in those countries. If these people don't have some children, who is going to care for them when they are old? And on an individual basis, people don't see it the way you do. The more children they have, the more people can help bring money and food in. This is what I was referring to but obviously I had to spell it out. [snip] There was no UN support specifically for military action. Bull. I believe it was UN resolution 687 back in 1990/91 which laid out what Iraq must and must not do. Either that resolution or one it references, both of which were still in effect, authorized the use of military force. Since that resolution 12-15 more (I forget the exact number) in the intervening decaded _reaffirmed_ that military force *by any member state* was authorized to uphold those resolutions. And why then, in the first Gulf war did US troops turn back home when they could have easily liberated baghdad? It was because they did not have a mandate authorizing exactly that. Just because you read this in them, doesn't mean it's there. The reason that there never was any UN resolutions aganist actions is that the US would've vetoed those anyway and nobody wants to piss off the US. Uh-huh. You're telling me that France, which has no qualms about pissing off the US, wouldn't've set forth a motion for repremands even to get it as a matter of record, EVEN if it is vetoed? yes. The US is an ally of France. You don't piss on your allies without very good reason
Re: What is wrong with debian X windows?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:40:59 +0800, Hantsy Bai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: xserver-xfree86 Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 $ uname -a Linux debian 2.6.8-1-k7 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:13:37 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux $ locale LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_TIME=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_NAME=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=zh_CN.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Some java tools crashed when i profermed Drag and Draw action,such as Bea Weblogic 8sp4 workshop,Sun java Studio Creator. But it works well in Redhat 9,and Ubuntu(xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu) When its crashed ,a hotspot log file in my home directory. It like this... An unexpected exception has been detected in native code outside the VM. Unexpected Signal : 11 occurred at PC=0x521480C5 Function=XtScreenDatabase+0x75 Library=/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 Current Java thread: at sun.awt.motif.MToolkit.run(Native Method) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534) [...] I think it's a lot more likely that there is something wrong with your java installation. What version is it? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Functionality?
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:27:41 -0600, Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-26 at 13:57 -0500, Ryan D'Baisse wrote: On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:48:24 -0600, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian is not Linux. Okay, I'm confused. Does Debian not use the Linux kernel? Not trying to be rude... I'm a newbie (still downloading Debian). They're arguing semantics here... :) This all kind of comes back to the old Linux vs. GNU/Linux debate. Ok, as I'm bored, I'll ela-BORE-ate. :) [snip rest] Actually, the debian project also carries a hurd distribution. So it's definitely not just about linux. Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install probs
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:37:01 -0700, Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a testing net install a few days ago. The system is 2.4.27 kernel, P4, 1G RAM, SCSI2 disk, IDE disk, SATA disk, RME soundcard, intel i810 video. No probs with SCSI or parallel IDE, but the SATA disk doesn't seem to exist after boot (off the SCSI disk). The BIOS sees it, and the DeMudi system (a Debian derivative on the IDE disk) sees and mounts it as /dev/hde when I boot that disk. This happens with the kernel package and with my compiles. There was no problem with it under gentoo. I can't figure out what's happening. I've tried compiling kernels, but no joy. I got to the point of random choices in menuconfig, so I thought I might ask the list. Where is my SATA disk? I'm not sure (don't use sata), but this seems an interesting resource to start on: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html From the looks of it, that other debian based distro uses the legacy sata support. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nVidia Video Drivers Need Reinstalled After Reboot
Have you tried to just modprobe nvidia instead of rebooting everytime around? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network unreachable
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:05:48 -0500, Adam Aube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandru Cabuz wrote: When I try to ping B from A I get connect: Network is unreachable When I try to ping A from B I get From [IP of machine B] icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable From [IP of machine B] icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From [IP of machine B] icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable and so on and so forth... I can browse the internet from both of them, read my mail, etc. But I can't for example ssh to either of them. I have even turned off the firewalls on both of them, and I still get this error. Something is weird, because I have installed sarge on both these machines numerous times and never have I gotten this kind of error... Check your routing tables. Are both machines on the same subnet? In case he doesn't know how to do that I'll list some commands he could try to give us more information: ifconfig eth? (replace ? with relevant number) route iptables -L ... and possibly take a look at the arp cache with arp. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAT forwarding : only partial connections
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:12:31 +0100, Francesco Bochicchio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a laptop with installed Sarge and a PC with installed Sid. I would like to implement this schema: Laptop -wireless- PC+ADSL Modem phone lines Provider..Internet I had it working in the past, but after a reinstallation of SID on the PC, something broke. All the connections works: I can connect to internet from the PC and I can connect the laptop and the PC via wireless. What I do is this: On the PC : iptables -t NAT -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward On the laptop: route add default gw pc-ip # where pc-ip is the # IP of the PC wlan0 Have you read the masquerading howto? I think there's something more involved than simple adding a postrouting rule. Anyway, there is a package available 'ipmasq' which sets up the rules necessary for a simple NAT scheme automatically. This is the easy way of doing it. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: openoffice in chroot
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:26:03 +0100, Alexandru Cabuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I set up a chroot last night following the instructions in the howto. By the way, that howto needs some updating. There are some details that are not mentioned. Like when and how to run base-config to set up the chroot environment, and whatnot, and when and how one should run aptitude to install all the packages. The debootstrap just installs a base system. Also it's not clear if the proc and /tmp filesystems should be put in the fstab in the 64 system or in the chroot. There are a couple of things where the howto does not specify where you're supposed to do it, inside or outside the chroot. I managed to install it though, though I ran aptitude and installed a bunch of stuff BEFORE I ran base-config, and while apt was installing packages I was constantly getting messages complaining about locale not being defined. My locale is supposed to be french. perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en, LC_ALL = fr_FR, LANG = [EMAIL PROTECTED] are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C). locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Hundreds of times. Now when I try to run openoffice, the window appears, with french menus for just a fraction of a second, then it switches to english. And when I try to go to File New, to create a new document openoffice displays this to the console and then hangs. I18N: Operating system doesn't support locale Maybe it's because it was installed before the locale was set up for the chroot so it didn't know how to configure itself... or something. So what is supposed to be the correct sequence in order to set up a 386 chroot correctly, and is there a way to get openoffice running now, without reinstalling the whole chroot? apt-get install locales ? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug Reporting for Woody Sarge Installations
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:50:42 -0600, John J Waldeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was directed to file bug reports for installations of Woody (which failed with a P4 system), and Sarge (which failed on a P3 system and succeeded on a P4 system). My question is which package should I indicate for the bug reports? jjwdeck I would suggest debian-installer. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla crashes on loading some sites
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 03:26:21 +0100, Alexandru Cabuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Mozilla crashes when trying to load this site (and others, this is an example). http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=41713 I just disappears all of a sudden. No fuss. Is anybody else's doing the same? If not, then which log files should I look into? I should mention I am using sid, amd64 true64 port on an Athlon 3200+, MSI nforce3 chipset, mozilla 1.7.3. I think this is because of the java plugin. Try disabling it. If that helps, install another version or something. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing ogg files
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:17:25 -0500, Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 06:45:16PM +0100, Wim De Smet wrote: via82cxxx_audio21564 1 ac97_codec 13300 0 [via82cxxx_audio] uart401 6436 0 [via82cxxx_audio] sound 57480 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401] soundcore 3940 4 [via82cxxx_audio sound] via-rhine 13200 1 via82cxxx 10856 1 (autoclean) So, I *am* able to play ogg files by booting a Knoppix CD (never realized just how cool Knoppix was!). Here's the relevant output of lsmod: via82cxxx_audio19448 2 ac97_codec 11916 0 [via82cxxx_audio] uart401 6052 0 [via82cxxx_audio] sound 55276 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401] soundcore 3428 4 [via82cxxx_audio sound] via-rhine 12336 1 Mostly the same as before. But, no via82cxxx, sizes are different and vai82cxxx_audio has a different number after the size (version maybe?). Do you know which drivers these are (oss or alsa)? Is there any way to tell where these modules come from? Kernel version is the same. Here's the uname -a output: Linux Knoppix 2.4.27 #2 SMP Mo Aug 9 00:39:37 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux Seems all I need to do is to figure out how to get Debian to load the same drivers that Knoppix loads and my problem will be solved! :) I think it is the same so the correct drivers are loaded in knoppix too (which is a heavily hacked on debian btw). I would suggest reinstalling your current kernel and see if the module size doesn't change. Perhaps it did get corrupted somehow. If you are using a stock debian kernel: apt-get install --reinstall package name or with aptitude: aptitude reinstall package name greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt .v. aptitude (was Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?)
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:14:54 - (GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is the consensus to stick with 'apt'? Or at least to choose one and stick with that and not to mix apt and aptitude (it sounds to me as though Marc is saying if you mix you'll end up with 2 out of date lists of what has/hasn't been inst-ed) Yeah I'd use only apt or only aptitude. Mixing the two is indead not handy. Though if you do mix them I expect the problems will usually appear in aptitude and not in apt (except for all the cruft that gets installed and never removed). About the status file thing, both apps do know what is installed and not installed etc (eg. the real status), but it can be that aptitude will try to remove some packages you installed with apt and vice-versa. At least that's how I understand it. greets, Wim P.S.: plz don't toppost. I think at least on technical mailing lists people prefer to read things chronologically. Cheers, Michael Aptitude shouldn't be used until its fundamental breakages are resolved. It ignores the status file in favor of its own re-implementation of it. Its behavior regarding dependency resolution is different depending on whether you're using it from the command line or the ncurses interface. It's claimed that aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get, except that aptitude by default installs Recommends/Suggests, while apt-get only tells you about them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing ogg files
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:51:55 -0500, Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:11:56PM +0100, Wim De Smet wrote: I think it might be more of a driver issue. Try playing some .wav's or .mp3's with another program and see what that does. Do you have alsa or OSS? You might have both? Check with lsmod to see what sound modules are loaded. Here are (what appear to be) the relevant parts of lsmod output: via82cxxx_audio21564 1 ac97_codec 13300 0 [via82cxxx_audio] uart401 6436 0 [via82cxxx_audio] sound 57480 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401] soundcore 3940 4 [via82cxxx_audio sound] via-rhine 13200 1 via82cxxx 10856 1 (autoclean) looks good. I've got a Via motherboard w/ built-in sound card, so it looks like the right drivers are being loaded. I don't have alsa installed; not sure if libsdl qualifies as having oss installed: having oss installed refers to having the right kernel drivers. The rest are just packages that use OSS. [snip listing] I tried installing the alsa modules (alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686), which triggered installation of alsa-utils and alsa-base. After reboot, ogg123 had very similar behavior (repeat 1st second of song, requires -9 to kill). I don't have any wav's or mp3's laying around, but when I open a flash presentation in firefox, firefox freezes and the first second of sound repeats over-and-over again... Hmm than it's probably not just ogg. You probably have some wav's though from some desktop packages (try dpkg -S *.wav). Did you check your dmesg output and/or /var/log/syslog for errors and such, especially when you try playing some sound? Are there any quirks to installing alsa? Are there more oss packages that I should try to install? Are there other sound drivers I should try? You could try to switch to alsa. The most important part is disabling everything oss (making sure it doesn't load those modules any more). So if you try alsa, disable OSS. Modules are probably either loaded from /etc/modules or via an autodetect system (most likely discover) on your computer. But if this problem just suddenly popped up this will probably not fix it. I'm not sure what could have caused the problem. It could also be a hardware problem. You might want to try out a livecd like knoppix or something and see if you can play audio from there. If you can, most likely something got corrupted (the kernel driver maybe, or perhaps the device /dev/pcm, I dunno). If you can't, it's most likely a problem with your motherboard. HTH, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt .v. aptitude (was Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?)
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:26:07 -0800, Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 11:14:54AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is the consensus to stick with 'apt'? Or at least to choose one and stick with that and not to mix apt and aptitude (it sounds to me as though Marc is saying if you mix you'll end up with 2 out of date lists of what has/hasn't been inst-ed) No, I made no such statement. I said that aptitude ignored the status file in favor of its own re-implementation of it. I should have been more clear. Aptitude *does* read the status file, and copy its flags to its own file. The problem is that it does it only when you use the ncurses interface. Try it... put a package on hold with the normal tools (dpkg, dselect), then try 'aptitude upgrade'. Aptitude won't recognize that the package is on hold. I tried it with dselect, but the first thing dselect did was select a bunch of packages I didn't want. Does dselect have yet another status list? In any case, I had the same behaviour (about). Somebody should patch this one day. What *dpkg* does is the standard. If aptitude doesn't honor it, it's broken. If aptitude is *inconsistent*, as it is between the command line and the ncurses interface, it's WORSE. This is true, but if you only use aptitude it's a minor problem (eg. you can probably not even set a package on hold without the curses interface). greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why debian
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:45:25 +, Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 08:53:58PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote: On Friday 12 November 2004 02:11, ken keanon wrote: Hi, There are so many distros out there its confusing. Any reason(s) why Debian should be the preferred choice? Any statistics from any source(s) to proof the popularity of Debian? I'm in the dark waiting to be enlightened. Well, first, some very general things: [...] 2. Debian is a democratic organization, this means they cannot change directions suddenly, are not subject to the whims of an executive, and will not incur massive upsets in the user base nor in its developers. Debian isn't a true democracy. We elect our leader, and thereafter the leader acts under his own accord. He acts in our name. The recent leaders have generally taken a hands-off approach so you probably don't really notice they're even there. However, I believe some leaders before my time (Bruce Perens, for example), were much more active and took more advantage of their power. A representative democracy is generally still considered a democracy. True Democracy (direct democracy, iirc) like you seem to be referring to (everybody decides together on everything) is unwieldy and impractical. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blackdown
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:49:55 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jules Dubois escribió: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:10:03 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) wrote: VSJ escribió: Read these instructions: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php to build you own up to date Debian Java packages. So we would find a single step package that would install Java in Debian and in the browsers at the same time. Is the object of this discussion to make it easier for all Debian novices to install a JRE or for you to install a JRE? If it's only you, it's not difficult to install Sun's (free but not Free) JREs. (I don't really remember how to install (or activate or whatever) a Java browser plug-in but I it wasn't difficult with Mozilla.) In Windows it was automatical, only clicking in the install.exe file. Where can I find it (easy for neophyte, this is one single apt-get install package). For you or for everyone? For every neophyte. Imagine, I have to fullfill a formulary to join to the University using my internet browser with Java insalled. ;( I need a quick and easy solution, not read guides and so on. This is, a single apt-get someting Sorry, but they are the circumstances. Regards and best wishes. I must say I think that every user that uses this operating system should have the basic capabilities to do this stuff. If you do not, maybe it is time for you to learn them. You need to learn how to use the system you have, not try to dumb everything down. Alternatively, you could always ask Sun if they want to distribute java in a .deb. Wim
Re: Blackdown
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:27:06 -0600, Rich Wellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I must say I think that every user that uses this operating system should have the basic capabilities to do this stuff. If you do not, maybe it is time for you to learn them. You need to learn how to use the system you have, not try to dumb everything down. It isn't a matter of dumbing things down. It's a matter of having the conceptually easy stuff be easy to do and having the conceptually difficult stuff be possible. It seems that you are running debian instead of building everything from sources yourself, so you apparently believe this as well at some level. All computers should be as difficult as necessary to use, but no more. My point is that I don't find running make-jpkg on sun.bin and then installing it hard to do. But perhaps it can be easier. You might theoretically be able to make an installer package that downloads the sun binaries for you and shows you the license. The problems with that are however a matter for someone's legal department. In short this is not really a problem since it's comparatively easy to do and it's surely not debian's problem. It's sun's and they should be the ones to fix it. So in any case, the OP is barking up the wrong tree. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing ogg files
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:07:02 -0500, Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:46:16AM +0100, Maurits van Rees wrote: Just for the sake of it, check if some friend pulled a practical joke by installing an alias for ogg123. :) Something is wrong if `alias ogg123' gives you something like this: I wish :( Only other person with physical access to the machine is my wife (who uses linux as little as possible). Just to check: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ alias ogg123 -bash: alias: ogg123: not found I have a laptop with basically the same configuration as my desktop (also Debian Sarge, nearly identical set of packages). It plays the ogg files without trouble. I checked the version number of vorbis-tools and all the packages that vorbis-tools depends on. They're identical! I'm running 2.4.27-1-686 on both machines. Only possibility I can think of is that the sound card on my desktop is flaky... could a flaky sound card cause this problem? I think it might be more of a driver issue. Try playing some .wav's or .mp3's with another program and see what that does. Do you have alsa or OSS? You might have both? Check with lsmod to see what sound modules are loaded. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blackdown
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:44:52 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot apt-get blackdown JRE. The program says: report the problem to solve it. I do so. I want to download and install this wonderfull environment now. the blackdown jre is not exactly wonderful. Last I checked it hadn't been updated in months and was generally buggy. I use the sun jre, packaged with 'java-package' which is now in sid. Regards, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian creates duplicate image files with strange extensions!
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:26:43 +0530, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, My Debian Woody 3.0r2 has a folder called images ie shared to outside by Samba. Clients using windowsXP and Windows 2000 acces these shares and write to it. In this folder I found a strange behavior! Debian creates duplicate files for every image file with a strange name . Below is the partial output of the ls command. Please help me and tell me how to fix this :) Good luck to all Kind regards Siju [snip output] You sure these aren't just thumbnail files the windows boxes create? Are they visible from the windows machines? When you disable write for them, do these still show up? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: no cdaudio with alsa but ok with oss
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:02:50 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Debian! I spoke to soon, saying that the migration to alsa was a piece of cake. I have all sound, but no cd audio. I did have that with oss. The cd slider does not show up in aumix nor alsamixer. I googled for a clue. libcdaudio is installed of course. Anybody give me a hint? To install alsa: 1. I enabled alsa and the card in the kernel but without modules. 2. I installed alsa-base. That gave me sound. I forgot to test the cd, until today. Maybe this helps maybe not, but I had a similar problem. Though I have a cd audio slider apparently alsa has mistaken this for something else since this does not change cd audio volume. I tried all of the available ones though (and with my card it's a couple) and one of them (I think it was 'center') actually changed cd volume. So maybe you have the same problem too, in which case there is a bug. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are company's not certifying Debian? - raid
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:55:54 +1100, Tim Connors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:07:58 +0200: Hi, please don't change the subject too much during a conversation. It breaks my threading and I would think that it does the same for quite a number of other people too. Get a proper client. That's what the References and In-reply-to headers are for. If your client doesn't use it, it's non compliant with the RFCs and broken. Oh, and most likely to break other clients which *are* compliant. Fscking google and Outlook with their braindead implementation of the standards. I'll be sure to file a bugreport, but in the meantime please don't change subject lines if there is no good reason for it. I believe this is just common sense. Especially in the case of this discussion where the subject change didn't really have much to do with a shift in the subject of the conversation. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are company's not certifying Debian? - raid
Hi, please don't change the subject too much during a conversation. It breaks my threading and I would think that it does the same for quite a number of other people too. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian unstable vs Ubuntu
Hi, On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:07:56 -0700, Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 09:03:25PM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote: What exactly does modconf do other than load a module and save it's name to /etc/modules? If you want to manage modules on your own, add their lines to /etc/modules. Yeah, modconf is one of the more useless things Debian has ever come up with. The entire idea of /etc/modules ranks a close second. [snip] What alternative would you suggest to /etc/modules? I think it's an entirely easy way to have modules load at boot. I don't really see what's so useless about it... greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Browser Crashes
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:15:08 +1000, Jonathan Wheelhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi For the last couple of weeks, my kids and I have all experienced browser crashes on various sites. We use any one of firefox, mozilla or galeon. I've just crashed all 3 browsers on this URL, http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/ . Each browser produces the following dump (see below cut line) when strace'd (galeon is replaced with gecko for firefox and mozilla). I've checked bug reports for the 3 browsers; I don't see anybody reporting something similar. I should add, in case this has something to do with X Window, that I use the latest Nvidia drivers. But I haven't seen these browsers crash so frequently like this before (and I've used Nvidia drivers for a long time). This is driving the kids and I nuts now (I'm using w3m at the moment). Ideas? It sounds to me a bit like some sort of plugin problem. What plugins do you have installed? Are they working properly? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If ATI and nVidia don't support their own products, who does?
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:32:37 -0700, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #secure method=pgp mode=sign -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're looking at it wrong. Nobody really wants them to open source their driver. Okay maybe because it's easier. But people really want to be able to write their own driver. And they can still do that, nobody's stopping them. All we (at least RMS and Iare in the same boat, and likely thousands of others) ask is that we get those drivers under a license that meets the DFSG and doesn't make us run through tons of extra hoops and user-hostile licensing. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The whole reason that there are no free drivers is that it is enormously difficult to reverse engineer a display driver. 2D might very well be doable but it takes some effort and you will probably never get the same speed a nvidia engineer could (since he knows what is in the hardware). Getting 3D to work (and work fast) is even harder and the same restrictions apply. All we should ask is the information we need about the hardware. But nVidia is afraid that this might give too much of an insight into their techniques to ATI, and vice versa. There is a core of truth in that. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If ATI and nVidia don't support their own products, who does?
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:56:57 -0400, Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet wrote: On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:32:37 -0700, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #secure method=pgp mode=sign -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're looking at it wrong. Nobody really wants them to open source their driver. Okay maybe because it's easier. But people really want to be able to write their own driver. And they can still do that, nobody's stopping them. All we (at least RMS and Iare in the same boat, and likely thousands of others) ask is that we get those drivers under a license that meets the DFSG and doesn't make us run through tons of extra hoops and user-hostile licensing. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The whole reason that there are no free drivers is that it is enormously difficult to reverse engineer a display driver. 2D might very well be doable but it takes some effort and you will probably never get the same speed a nvidia engineer could (since he knows what is in the hardware). Getting 3D to work (and work fast) is even harder and the same restrictions apply. All we should ask is the information we need about the hardware. But nVidia is afraid that this might give too much of an insight into their techniques to ATI, and vice versa. There is a core of truth in that. Then ATI must employ some extremely crappy engineers. I get better 3D performance using the open source DRI drivers (which, IIRC, were written with no assisance from ATI) for every 3D app, except games that make use of S3 Texture Compression. I know the open source nVidia drivers don't come close to the performance of the propritary drivers, but what is ATI's excuse? Actually, for the older drivers ATI had this special program where people could write open source drivers for their cards after signing an NDA. The overall crappiness is due to the fact that 1) ATI doesn't invest much resources in linux development and 2) they can't tie into the kernel so tightly as the DRI folks can (because of licensing problems). Although that's just a guess greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla browsers and Flashplayer
Hi, On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:03:51 -0700, Freddy Freeloader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a strange problem with Mozilla browsers, both Mozilla and Firefox, and Flashplayer when I install sarge using the netinst cd. If I install woody first, and then do a dist-upgrade from there all sites that use flash work normally, but if I do a fresh install using the new installer some of the sites, such as MLB's Gameday do not display correctly. At first I thought this was something to do with just the browser and Flashplayer but then realized that this only happens on fresh installs using the new installer, so it would seem to me that it has to be related to something being left out or changed in the system between woody and sarge. What happens is that in the areas that normally display player stats for the game display nothing expect for player names and then a total at the bottom of where each column should be. This is an accurate total of hits, BB's, KO's RBI's, etc... to that point in the game there's just no stats displayed above the totals, and the inning by inning scores are all blank too along with all pitching stats. In the box that shows each pitch location the graphics are off there too. It shows them, but displays them differently than when the page works normally. Has anyone else experienced this? No, but I do seem to recall that flashplayer requires some fonts to be installed. Maybe it is these that you are missing? It's documented in its readme I think. (package gsfonts if I'm not mistaken) greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Icon bug in Nautilus (SARGE) still not fixed ?
Hi, On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:09:28 -0400, ThanhVu Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in mid June, there was a bug in Nautilus from Sarge which broke all the icons. I was told by other Sarge users that it already had been fixed but till now that problem still happens to me. My Sarge system is up-to-date, it only uses packages from the official Debian apt repository. The Nautilus version is 2.6.3b-4 . I use Window Maker as the main window manager and calls Nautilus from WMaker. Anyone else can acknowledge this problem ? You probably need to install one of the recommended or suggested packages. Check out which ones you don't have yet. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If ATI and nVidia don't support their own products, who does?
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:22:48 -0400, Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 02 October 2004 08:29, Wim De Smet wrote: linux support sooner). Now GPL-ing their drivers isn't going to happen. Drivers need to know certain things about the hardware that these companies just aren't willing to share with their competitor. Tough luck, start your own graphics card company. That's not why NVIDIA cannot open their driver. It's been said by them time and time again that the drive contains 3rd party code that they have a limited license for, and as such, cannot expose that code to non-licensees. You're looking at it wrong. Nobody really wants them to open source their driver. Okay maybe because it's easier. But people really want to be able to write their own driver. But they won't or can't release the necessary info because the software has to tie so thigtly in with the hardware. And to be honest, even if they would be able to open source their own drivers, I doubt they would. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: desktop
Hi, On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:53:58 -0800, Theo Lehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please help I installed debaian and when I boot up I can loggin fine but I know I chose to install a desktop interface during insalation but all I get is what look like a beefed up version of ms dos (discrpition not to insult anyone) I am very profishant w/ windows half that on macs but still good! But till now I have never used linux save a P.H.L.A.K. live cd and couldent fully use that! but ingenerall I'm good w/ comp..I think I figured what I did wrong but no idea how to fix I set the desktop maneger to xdm I belive now I needs to be kdm but don't know how to change that value agine please HELP!! Usually X is not installed automatically but if you select desktop system with tasksel you probably already have the necessary software, you just need to configure it properly. Install the following programs: read-edid, hotplug. This will help you a bit further. Then run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (xserver should be installed). Answer all the questions and see if xdm will start up. Changing from xdm to kdm can be done by dpkg-reconfigure either of them I think or just by update-alternatives (read the man page). In any case, find a copy of the debian installation manual (there's a link on the debian website) and _read_ it. This will help you a lot more with your problems. greets, Wim P.S.: Theo I am cc'ing you because I'm not sure you're subscribed to the list. Sorry if you get this mail two times. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm question..
Hi, On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:02:19 +0200, bing yu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not get message from fvwm list, Please forgive me posting here. in my .fvwmrc Key rA MExec exec crxvt-gb so Alt+r can open a crxvt terminal After I open crxvt, I usually do this : $su password:(enter my pwd) # cd /mnt/media/ my question is straitforward(let alone the security problem), Can I write above in the .fvwmrc ? so after I Alt+r, the crxvt can go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read the man page Key rA MExec exec crxvt-gb -e su;pwd still , It ask me to imput my password Any one can help me? Thank you. I'm not sure but I don't think you can supply your password on the command line to su. But I would advise you to have a look at 'sudo'. It takes a little more effort but with this you can configure your system to give you the necessary permissions without too much hassle. Read the manpage and if that doesn't help (I seem to recall it's all a bit complicated) just google around a bit I'm sure you'll find some good tutorials. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: desktop
Hi, On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 05:06:03 -0800, Theo Lehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wim De Smet wrote: Hi, On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:53:58 -0800, Theo Lehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please help I installed debaian and when I boot up I can loggin fine but I know I chose to install a desktop interface during insalation but all I get is what look like a beefed up version of ms dos (discrpition not to insult anyone) I am very profishant w/ windows half that on macs but still good! But till now I have never used linux save a P.H.L.A.K. live cd and couldent fully use that! but ingenerall I'm good w/ comp..I think I figured what I did wrong but no idea how to fix I set the desktop maneger to xdm I belive now I needs to be kdm but don't know how to change that value agine please HELP!! Usually X is not installed automatically but if you select desktop system with tasksel you probably already have the necessary software, you just need to configure it properly. Install the following programs: read-edid, hotplug. This will help you a bit further. Then run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (xserver should be installed). Answer all the questions and see if xdm will start up. Changing from xdm to kdm can be done by dpkg-reconfigure either of them I think or just by update-alternatives (read the man page). In any case, find a copy of the debian installation manual (there's a link on the debian website) and _read_ it. This will help you a lot more with your problems. greets, Wim P.S.: Theo I am cc'ing you because I'm not sure you're subscribed to the list. Sorry if you get this mail two times. thanks! but where do I get read-edid if it comes with it as a option I probably have it already (I installed everything -2 or 3 that I don't remember what they are.) You can install new software with the command apt-get like this: apt-get install read-edid But you should really go read the installation manual, it's all in there. Anyway I don't really use read-edid but it's supposed to be able to detect your monitor. It's not really necessary. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If ATI and nVidia don't support their own products, who does?
Hi, On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:41:06 -0700, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Johnson wrote: #secure method=pgp mode=sign Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I would like to do is get an nVidia card. Mistake du jour! You'll only spend more on the nVidia for even crappier drivers. Just get a newer Radeon if you want graphics performance. I believe there's actually working open drivers for the ATI adapters. This is not actually true. Okay there are problems with nvidia drivers too (especially for laptops) but no more than with ATI. I've got both and I would say nVidia support is much better. Even for windows I would say the same. Have you ever read a review of an ATI card that didn't say but this is an early version of the drivers, the situation might get better in the future? I haven't. Problem is that the newer Radeon cards have even worse support in the open source drivers. It is really aggravating since I want a card that will allow me to play my games in Linux. The two that I play now are Neverwinter Nights and America's Army. I would probably get more in the future, but not if I can't my video card to perform better. OK, who manufactures a video card who actually supports properly what they make, then? Cause it sure isn't nVidia, and it sounds like it's not ATI? matrox maybe? But nobody uses that for gaming. Anyway, how bad are the nVidia drivers? The only experience I have had with them (one high-end workstation in the Linux lab I formerly admined) was fairly positive. *Bad* though the situation is improving slowly. What really needs to happen is nVidia and ATI to get their heads out of their asses and GPL their drivers already. I mean, what is it they like about recto-cranial inversion? Is it the warmth? The smell? The fit? They work fine for most people. As I said I haven't heard nearly as many complaints as with the ATI drivers (possibly because nVidia had linux support sooner). Now GPL-ing their drivers isn't going to happen. Drivers need to know certain things about the hardware that these companies just aren't willing to share with their competitor. Tough luck, start your own graphics card company. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA sound problem
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:11:24 -0400, Jim Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya jim On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, Jim Lynch wrote: I've been completely unable to get sound to work with Debian and any sound card, ever and I've been running Debian for years. My last attempt was the testing distro and 2.6.8 on a box with the via 82xxx card build into the MB. I fiinally got it to actually install so the /dev/dsp device was recognized and the alsa mixer must think there is something there because it lets me adjust the gain, but no noise from anything. Dumping wave files to /dev/dsp or /dev/audio doesn't even work. you cannot just dump sound files to random devices Well you used to be able to cat .wav files to /dev/dsp or /dev/audio, but I don't remember which format went to which device. That was one of the debugging techniques we used to use. If you just cat something to it you'll get something. Usually just random noise. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: windows locks up while accessing samba shares
Hi, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:06:20 +0100, Ognjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a server running debian (testing) with samba. All permissions etc... work and i can create folders etc my problem is that when i try to transfer files on the server windows (win2000 prof) locks up. after rebooting and going back to the server i find that the file has been transferred with no problems Also if i try to open any file on the server (it opens folders just fine) windows locks up as well. basically any (read) file access locks up windows but write does not, i would have put it down to faulty windows installation had i not found out that other people who also accessed the server got the same problem (windows lockup (win 2k XP tested) ). I believe it must be related to the server (possibly samba). while this is my first attempt at using debian in a server i have used redhat before yet I have never had a problem like this before, what could be causing it? (note that from the server directly i can access the files with no problem) Any help sorely appreciated as i am completely lost with this problem You'll have to look up some more info in samba itself. Find the log in /var/log/samba. There is a session log there. Try to connect with the offending client and look up the log of that particular session. Read it and see what is happening. If you can't figure it out with googling from that, post some interesting snippets here. greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
