Re: Debian Install CD, locks up computer system.

[Felix Miata]

Joe composed on 2021-01-14 17:25 (UTC):

> Windows does not contain any provision for running any
> other operating system but itself.

But, unless something changed very recently, it still retains the ability to 
read
and transfer control to the PBR of an alien partition (i.e. chainload to Grub).

> It is necessary for a new operating system to hijack the boot process,

Strictly speaking, it is not necessary. Practically speaking, it is what usually
happens, same as what Windows does if installed after Linux.

> or at least to amend the BIOS boot list to place itself as highest priority,
> and it will then offer Windows as an option at boot time.
Probably it should in most cases, but don't count on it happening without
intervention.
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Re: Debian Install CD, locks up computer system.

[Joe]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:20:44 +0100
Pierre-Elliott Bécue  wrote:

> Le mercredi 13 janvier 2021 à 16:19:40-0500, brian.h...@hotmail.com a
> écrit :
> > I am being run around in circles trying to get assistance.  I am
> > being redirected by individuals and WEB pages having "ALL THE
> > ANSWERS" and not needing to know the facts.
> > 
> > It is clear that I have encountered a serious and destructive
> > problem.
> > 
> > 
> > I have installed the "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" to a USB drive
> > connected to a Lenovo T420 which was running Windows 10 Pro.
> > 
> > The system boots to Windows 10 on the C: drive with the option of
> > booting to another device if I press F12 at booting.
> > 
> > I use F12 to boot to the CD Drive, "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso".
> > I installed as Debian to an attached USB external drive. I used the
> > standard non graphical installer. Installation
> > proceeded fine, I accepted all defaults and did not install any
> > additional software/drivers.  After 'Install System' the installer
> > opened the CD Drive and asked me to reboot.  The "Install Grub"
> > never came up.
> > 
> > I rebooted and got the bios Boot Menu that would come up when I
> > pressed F12 came up without my pressing F12.  The boot device list
> > now has "debian" now added to the top of the boot menu.  None of
> > the items in the list boot their respective devices.
> > 
> > 
> > The Menu Reads:
> > 
> > debian
> > Windows Boot Manager
> > ATA HDD0: WDC WD3200BEKT-08PBMT1
> > USB HDD: FUJISTU MHV2080AH
> > ATAPI CD0: Optiarca DVD RW AD-7710H
> > 
> > item ATA...
> > is my Drive containing the all the Windows 10 system,
> > including the Windows Boot Manager
> > 
> > item USB...
> > is my external drive containing the newly installed Debian
> > 10
> > 
> > item ATAPI...
> > in my CD Drive
> > 
> > 
> > Additional Notes:
> > 
> > I have used the same process to install Debian version 2 through 8
> > to secondary drives.
> > 
> > Nothing in documentation that I have come across indicates that
> > this "new" debian would alter the "bios" boot menu or in anyway
> > effect the Windows 10 operating systems drive.  By right it had no
> > business doing so automatically.
> > 
> > I can see no reason for some-one to believe that this would happen.
> > 
> > This is a very destructive problem.
> > 
> > I am looking at $200.00 cost to have new system installed and the
> > loss of everything on my Windows 10 System.
> > 
> > I am retired on a disability pension.  My background is system
> > logistics. This install has altered the existing bios/Windows 10
> > System without notification.  This directly violates the standards
> > set for Debian installs.

No, an additional operating system *must* 'alter' something or it will
never boot. Windows does not contain any provision for running any
other operating system but itself. It is necessary for a new operating
system to hijack the boot process, or at least to amend the BIOS boot
list to place itself as highest priority, and it will then offer Windows
as an option at boot time.
> > 
> > Please, forward this to anyone that might be able to provide
> > assistance.
> > 
> > I would like help, direction as to how to reinstate the original
> > boot sequence for my computer.

Have you tried the BIOS boot key of your computer? I have a problem
where my computer will not boot to its default BIOS entry, but using
the boot key I can choose to boot to Windows. If that works for you,
it's not the answer, but it's a workaround to get Windows running.

> > 
> > I believe the only party capable of addressing this issue is the
> > team or person that setup the Debian installer for this CD.

That is possibly true, at least if they either are or can talk to the
stretch installer team (see below). 
> > 
> > PS:  This is a new problem and therefore there is no documentation
> > in the historical archives that could possible address this issue.  
> 
> Dear Brian,
> 
> For these matters, the debian-user mailing list is the right place to
> go.
> 
> Indeed, the Community Team is a team which is here to handle
> interactions between members of the Debian Community that go wrong,
> and tries to have the Debian Code of Conduct followed by the members
> of the community in their interactions.
> 
> For convenience, I cc-ed the list here.
> 
> As for your specific matter, Windows 10 being an UEFI system, Debian
> installation has to accomodate for this, and if you used the basic
> installer, it did indeed attempt to install grub and create the
> specific entry. Probably something went south there.
> 
> If you indeed tried to boot "Debian", and it failed, I'd guess it's
> because, while the grub binary is on the uefi part of your main disk
> along with the windows bootloader and other potential stuff, the grub
> configuration is on your external drive which is not yet seen properly
> when you hit the "debian" entry choice (which is the one you should
> use, as grub 

Re: Debian Install CD, locks up computer system.

[Leandro neto]

 

 I am haven the same problem I found a hidden file :0 debian magic cookie. Ruined everything mine
 
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  De: p...@debian.org
  
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  Para: brian.h...@hotmail.com
  
  Cópia: debian-user@lists.debian.org
  
  
  
  
  
   
 Le mercredi 13 janvier 2021 à 16:19:40-0500, brian.h...@hotmail.com a écrit : > I am being run around in circles trying to get assistance. I am being > redirected by individuals and WEB pages having "ALL THE ANSWERS" and not > needing to know the facts. > > It is clear that I have encountered a serious and destructive problem. > > > I have installed the "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" to a USB drive > connected to a Lenovo T420 which was running Windows 10 Pro. > > The system boots to Windows 10 on the C: drive with the option of booting to > another device if I press F12 at booting. > > I use F12 to boot to the CD Drive, "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso". > I installed as Debian to an attached USB external drive. I used the standard > non graphical installer. Installation > proceeded fine, I accepted all defaults and did not install any additional > software/drivers. After 'Install System' the installer opened the CD Drive > and asked me to reboot. The "Install Grub" never came up. > > I rebooted and got the bios Boot Menu that would come up when I pressed F12 > came up without my pressing F12. The boot device list now has "debian" now > added to the top of the boot menu. None of the items in the list boot their > respective devices. > > > The Menu Reads: > > debian > Windows Boot Manager > ATA HDD0: WDC WD3200BEKT-08PBMT1 > USB HDD: FUJISTU MHV2080AH > ATAPI CD0: Optiarca DVD RW AD-7710H > > item ATA... > is my Drive containing the all the Windows 10 system, including the Windows > Boot Manager > > item USB... > is my external drive containing the newly installed Debian 10 > > item ATAPI... > in my CD Drive > > > Additional Notes: > > I have used the same process to install Debian version 2 through 8 to > secondary drives. > > Nothing in documentation that I have come across indicates that this "new" > debian would alter the "bios" boot menu or in anyway effect the Windows 10 > operating systems drive. By right it had no business doing so > automatically. > > I can see no reason for some-one to believe that this would happen. > > This is a very destructive problem. > > I am looking at $200.00 cost to have new system installed and the loss of > everything on my Windows 10 System. > > I am retired on a disability pension. My background is system logistics. > This install has altered the existing bios/Windows 10 System without > notification. This directly violates the standards set for Debian installs. > > Please, forward this to anyone that might be able to provide assistance. > > I would like help, direction as to how to reinstate the original boot > sequence for my computer. > > I believe the only party capable of addressing this issue is the team or > person that setup the Debian installer for this CD. > > PS: This is a new problem and therefore there is no documentation in the > historical archives that could possible address this issue. Dear Brian, For these matters, the debian-user mailing list is the right place to go. Indeed, the Community Team is a team which is here to handle interactions between members of the Debian Community that go wrong, and tries to have the Debian Code of Conduct followed by the members of the community in their interactions. For convenience, I cc-ed the list here. As for your specific matter, Windows 10 being an UEFI system, Debian installation has to accomodate for this, and if you used the basic installer, it did indeed attempt to install grub and create the specific entry. Probably something went south there. If you indeed tried to boot "Debian", and it failed, I'd guess it's because, while the grub binary is on the uefi part of your main disk along with the windows bootloader and other potential stuff, the grub configuration is on your external drive which is not yet seen properly when you hit the "debian" entry choice (which is the one you should use, as grub will also allow you to boot windows 10), but it's a wild guess. I'll let some users to chime in, as I admit I'm not the best to help people debug such issues over mail. :/ But I'll keep an eye. Bests, -- Pierre-Elliott Bécue GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528 F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2 It's far easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. 
   
  
 

Re: Debian Install CD, locks up computer system.

[Pierre-Elliott Bécue]

Le mercredi 13 janvier 2021 à 16:19:40-0500, brian.h...@hotmail.com a écrit :
> I am being run around in circles trying to get assistance.  I am being
> redirected by individuals and WEB pages having "ALL THE ANSWERS" and not
> needing to know the facts.
> 
> It is clear that I have encountered a serious and destructive problem.
> 
> 
> I have installed the "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" to a USB drive
> connected to a Lenovo T420 which was running Windows 10 Pro.
> 
> The system boots to Windows 10 on the C: drive with the option of booting to
> another device if I press F12 at booting.
> 
> I use F12 to boot to the CD Drive, "debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso".
> I installed as Debian to an attached USB external drive. I used the standard
> non graphical installer. Installation
> proceeded fine, I accepted all defaults and did not install any additional
> software/drivers.  After 'Install System' the installer opened the CD Drive
> and asked me to reboot.  The "Install Grub" never came up.
> 
> I rebooted and got the bios Boot Menu that would come up when I pressed F12
> came up without my pressing F12.  The boot device list now has "debian" now
> added to the top of the boot menu.  None of the items in the list boot their
> respective devices.
> 
> 
> The Menu Reads:
> 
>   debian
>   Windows Boot Manager
> ATA HDD0: WDC WD3200BEKT-08PBMT1
>   USB HDD: FUJISTU MHV2080AH
>   ATAPI CD0: Optiarca DVD RW AD-7710H
> 
> item ATA...
>   is my Drive containing the all the Windows 10 system, including the 
> Windows
> Boot Manager
> 
> item USB...
>   is my external drive containing the newly installed Debian 10
> 
> item ATAPI...
>   in my CD Drive
> 
> 
> Additional Notes:
> 
> I have used the same process to install Debian version 2 through 8 to
> secondary drives.
> 
> Nothing in documentation that I have come across indicates that this "new"
> debian would alter the "bios" boot menu or in anyway effect the Windows 10
> operating systems drive.  By right it had no business doing so
> automatically.
> 
> I can see no reason for some-one to believe that this would happen.
> 
> This is a very destructive problem.
> 
> I am looking at $200.00 cost to have new system installed and the loss of
> everything on my Windows 10 System.
> 
> I am retired on a disability pension.  My background is system logistics.
> This install has altered the existing bios/Windows 10 System without
> notification.  This directly violates the standards set for Debian installs.
> 
> Please, forward this to anyone that might be able to provide assistance.
> 
> I would like help, direction as to how to reinstate the original boot
> sequence for my computer.
> 
> I believe the only party capable of addressing this issue is the team or
> person that setup the Debian installer for this CD.
> 
> PS:  This is a new problem and therefore there is no documentation in the
> historical archives that could possible address this issue.

Dear Brian,

For these matters, the debian-user mailing list is the right place to
go.

Indeed, the Community Team is a team which is here to handle
interactions between members of the Debian Community that go wrong, and
tries to have the Debian Code of Conduct followed by the members of the
community in their interactions.

For convenience, I cc-ed the list here.

As for your specific matter, Windows 10 being an UEFI system, Debian
installation has to accomodate for this, and if you used the basic
installer, it did indeed attempt to install grub and create the specific
entry. Probably something went south there.

If you indeed tried to boot "Debian", and it failed, I'd guess it's
because, while the grub binary is on the uefi part of your main disk
along with the windows bootloader and other potential stuff, the grub
configuration is on your external drive which is not yet seen properly
when you hit the "debian" entry choice (which is the one you should use,
as grub will also allow you to boot windows 10), but it's a wild guess.

I'll let some users to chime in, as I admit I'm not the best to help
people debug such issues over mail. :/ But I'll keep an eye.

Bests,

-- 
Pierre-Elliott Bécue
GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528  F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2
It's far easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.


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Re: Debian Live CD standart

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 19 March 2017 17:27:34 Alex wrote:
> Здравствуйте!
> Скачал Debian Live CD standart записал на флешку программой
> Win32DiskImager. Запускается окно с выбором, выбираю первый вариант,
> после некоторых процессов просит ввести логин и пароль. Что нужно
> вводить? Ранее линуксами не пользовался. Версия 64-битная.

This is the English speaking Debian-User list.  You want:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/

Lisi

Re: Debian live CD does not support intel I217-LM

[Mark Fletcher]

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:12:34PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 09:19:04PM -0400, Noel De Sousa wrote:
> >Will debian live x64 support the I217 Intel network card. Currently it does
> >not and this is keeping a few small businesses, I support from moving to
> >debian.
> 
> Hi Noel,
> 
> I'm surprised it doesn't work - the e1000e driver in Jessie (8.x)
> claims to support the I217. What symptoms are you seeing?
> 
> You might also get better help on the debian-user mailing list. Adding
> a CC there.
> 

It couldn't simply be that it needs firmware from non-free, could it? 
Grab the install image that includes firmware and try that.

Mark

Re: Debian live CD does not support intel I217-LM

[Steve McIntyre]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 09:19:04PM -0400, Noel De Sousa wrote:
>Will debian live x64 support the I217 Intel network card. Currently it does
>not and this is keeping a few small businesses, I support from moving to
>debian.

Hi Noel,

I'm surprised it doesn't work - the e1000e driver in Jessie (8.x)
claims to support the I217. What symptoms are you seeing?

You might also get better help on the debian-user mailing list. Adding
a CC there.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me 

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:02:56PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 23 November 2015 19:03:04 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 09:38:02PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

  snip...

> > >
> > > Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-)  (I'm
> > > probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong kind of
> > > English.)
> >
> > Unless you're in your 90s, you're not old enough.
> 
> Oh well - I still probably speak the wrong kind of English. ;-)

Fear not, fair maiden. We've been known to make allowances.

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 23 November 2015 19:03:04 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 09:38:02PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 22 November 2015 20:32:30 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for
> > > > > > > > doing the rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm
> > > > > > > > happy to change my expectation if that's the case.Maybe
> > > > > > > > by the end of it there is a more complete system, e.g., with
> > > > > > > > bash.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian
> > > > > > > > live CD's. Ross
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wanna bet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).
> > > > > > Ross, there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different
> > > > > > architectures there is more than one - but it sounds as though
> > > > > > you have downloaded the wrong CD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> > > >
> > > > Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had
> > > > already felt that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come
> > > > on, admit it. We could have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
> > > > Lisi
> > > > * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy
> > >
> > > Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class?
> >
> > Not you.  When I use slightly obscure English I try to remember that I am
> > on an international list and explain.  I did in fact look up "tincy" to
> > see whether people could look it up for themselves, and even most of the
> > Internet didn't know it.  So I referenced something that explained the
> > meaning in which I had used it - which was not as a girl's name!  I used
> > it in the first place because you would know it.
> >
> > And Ross hadn't given any sign of having understood what either of us was
> > on about.  I thought we would get an ("Oh!  Of course!")
> >
> > Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-)  (I'm
> > probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong kind of
> > English.)
>
> Unless you're in your 90s, you're not old enough.

Oh well - I still probably speak the wrong kind of English. ;-)

Lisi

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 09:38:02PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 22 November 2015 20:32:30 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing
> > > > > > > the rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to
> > > > > > > change my expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of
> > > > > > > it there is a more complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live
> > > > > > > CD's. Ross
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wanna bet?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??). 
> > > > > Ross, there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures
> > > > > there is more than one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded
> > > > > the wrong CD.
> > > >
> > > > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> > >
> > > Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had already
> > > felt that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come on, admit it.
> > > We could have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
> > > Lisi
> > > * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy
> >
> > Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class?
> 
> Not you.  When I use slightly obscure English I try to remember that I am on 
> an international list and explain.  I did in fact look up "tincy" to see 
> whether people could look it up for themselves, and even most of the Internet 
> didn't know it.  So I referenced something that explained the meaning in 
> which I had used it - which was not as a girl's name!  I used it in the first 
> place because you would know it.
> 
> And Ross hadn't given any sign of having understood what either of us was on 
> about.  I thought we would get an ("Oh!  Of course!")
> 
> Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-)  (I'm 
> probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong kind of 
> English.)

Unless you're in your 90s, you're not old enough.

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 05:56:35PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> I think I knew what you meant Lisi, but on this side of the small pond we 
> spell it teensy, meaning a very small quantity of something.  Like a 
> pinch of salt in a recipe.  Thats normally less than a dash unless you 
> shake the container really hard. :)

Hmmm, is that more, or less, than a 'smidgin'? :)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/smidgen

It looks like a tad is larger than a dash. :)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 22 November 2015 16:38:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 22 November 2015 20:32:30 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for
> > > > > > > doing the rescue, not overwriting the existing system? 
> > > > > > > I'm happy to change my expectation if that's the case.   
> > > > > > > Maybe by the end of it there is a more complete system,
> > > > > > > e.g., with bash.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian
> > > > > > > live CD's. Ross
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wanna bet?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my
> > > > > ??). Ross, there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different
> > > > > architectures there is more than one - but it sounds as though
> > > > > you have downloaded the wrong CD.
> > > >
> > > > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> > >
> > > Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had
> > > already felt that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come
> > > on, admit it. We could have been just a tincy* bit more helpful. 
> > > ;-)
> > > Lisi
> > > * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy
> >
> > Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class?
>
> Not you.  When I use slightly obscure English I try to remember that I
> am on an international list and explain.  I did in fact look up
> "tincy" to see whether people could look it up for themselves, and
> even most of the Internet didn't know it.  So I referenced something
> that explained the meaning in which I had used it - which was not as a
> girl's name!  I used it in the first place because you would know it.
>
> And Ross hadn't given any sign of having understood what either of us
> was on about.  I thought we would get an ("Oh!  Of course!")
>
> Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-) 
> (I'm probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong
> kind of English.)
>
> Lisi

I think I knew what you meant Lisi, but on this side of the small pond we 
spell it teensy, meaning a very small quantity of something.  Like a 
pinch of salt in a recipe.  Thats normally less than a dash unless you 
shake the container really hard. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 22 November 2015 19:00:19 Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 05:56:35PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I think I knew what you meant Lisi, but on this side of the small
> > pond we spell it teensy, meaning a very small quantity of something.
> >  Like a pinch of salt in a recipe.  Thats normally less than a dash
> > unless you shake the container really hard. :)
>
> Hmmm, is that more, or less, than a 'smidgin'? :)

I think that depends on which side of the Mason-Dixon line you hale from.  
As an old Iowa Farm raised kid, we always treated a smidgeon like it was 
about 1/4 of a pinch.

Much of this depends on one command of the language he speaks.  King of 
that category would have to be our long time United States Senator, 
Robert C. Byrd, deceased, who was past master at telling someone to go 
to hell, in such flowery language that they looked forward to the trip.

> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/smidgen
>
> It looks like a tad is larger than a dash. :)

Generally, yes.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> > > > > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> > > > > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a
> > > > > more complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> > > > > Ross
> > > >
> > > > Wanna bet?
> > >
> > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross,
> > > there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is
> > > more than one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.
> >
> > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> 
> Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had already felt 
> that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come on, admit it. We could 
> have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
> Lisi
> * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy

Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class? 

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[John Hasler]

Brian writes:
> It looks like it is. What functional disadvantage is it to a user of
> sysvinit or systemd?

The login terminal becomes inaccessible, messages from X are hidden, and
one of the terminals is used up.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 22 November 2015 20:32:30 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51:00PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing
> > > > > > the rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to
> > > > > > change my expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of
> > > > > > it there is a more complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live
> > > > > > CD's. Ross
> > > > >
> > > > > Wanna bet?
> > > >
> > > > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??). 
> > > > Ross, there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures
> > > > there is more than one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded
> > > > the wrong CD.
> > >
> > > Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?
> >
> > Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had already
> > felt that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come on, admit it.
> > We could have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
> > Lisi
> > * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy
>
> Why do I feel like I'm back in Freshman English class?

Not you.  When I use slightly obscure English I try to remember that I am on 
an international list and explain.  I did in fact look up "tincy" to see 
whether people could look it up for themselves, and even most of the Internet 
didn't know it.  So I referenced something that explained the meaning in 
which I had used it - which was not as a girl's name!  I used it in the first 
place because you would know it.

And Ross hadn't given any sign of having understood what either of us was on 
about.  I thought we would get an ("Oh!  Of course!")

Or maybe I just remind you of your Freshman English teacher.  ;-)  (I'm 
probably old more than enough.  Though I probably speak the wrong kind of 
English.)

Lisi

Correction Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 22 November 2015 21:38:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I'm
> probably old more than enough.


"I'm probably more than old enough."

Sorry - moved some words and misread the result. :-(

Lisi

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Ross Boylan]

Yes; I ended up with the Debian Installer.  I think I've found the
right place now.  Of course, there's Knoppix, but the smaller image is
a bit dated.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Ross



On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
>> > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
>> > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
>> > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
>> > complete system, e.g., with bash.
>> >
>> > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
>> > Ross
>>
>> Wanna bet?
>
> I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross, there
> is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is more than
> one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.
>
> Lisi
>

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Ross Boylan]

The Debian live CD isn't much as a rescue CD; it lacks parted and lvm,
for example.  At least the text only image I used did.  Of course, you
can install those packages after startup.

I wasn't logged in, and it took some searching to find out the right
id.  For the record it's user, with password live.  Use sudo to get to
root.  The system is running the ssh server, but it's not  configured
to accept passwords.
Ross

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Ross Boylan
 wrote:
> Yes; I ended up with the Debian Installer.  I think I've found the
> right place now.  Of course, there's Knoppix, but the smaller image is
> a bit dated.
>
> Thanks everyone for your help.
>
> Ross
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>> On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
>>> > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
>>> > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
>>> > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
>>> > complete system, e.g., with bash.
>>> >
>>> > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
>>> > Ross
>>>
>>> Wanna bet?
>>
>> I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross, there
>> is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is more than
>> one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.
>>
>> Lisi
>>

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> > > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> > > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
> > > complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > >
> > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> > > Ross
> >
> > Wanna bet?
> 
> I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross, there 
> is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is more than 
> one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.

Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 21 November 2015 22:37:27 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 09:00:36AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > > > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> > > > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> > > > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a
> > > > more complete system, e.g., with bash.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> > > > Ross
> > >
> > > Wanna bet?
> >
> > I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross,
> > there is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is
> > more than one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.
>
> Gee. Can't a guy have *any* fun anymore?

Well, it felt a little unfair once there were two of us!  I had already felt 
that I had been less than fair.  Sorry. :-(  But come on, admit it. We could 
have been just a tincy* bit more helpful.  ;-)
Lisi
* https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/teensy

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 20 November 2015 23:23:56 Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> > rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> > expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
> > complete system, e.g., with bash.
> >
> > In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> > Ross
>
> Wanna bet?

I think perhaps we should be less subtle (than this and my ??).  Ross, there 
is only one Live CD.  Well, for different architectures there is more than 
one - but it sounds as though you have downloaded the wrong CD.

Lisi

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Pascal Hambourg]

Ross Boylan a écrit :
> After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.
> 
> First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking me
> through the installer.

Indeed, the first steps are identical to an installation.

> I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.  At the
> screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.

Too bad : the rescue screen was the next step.

> Second, vgimportclone is on the system, but when I try to run it the
> message is "vgimportclone: not found".  It is the only vg* command in /sbin
> that is not a symlink to lvm but a shell script.

It appears that vgimportclone is defined as a bash script (1st line
contains #!/bin/bash) but bash is not included in the Debian installer.
I don't know if this script really requires bash or could be run with
the installer's shell, ash. In the latter case, just modify the script
header or create a symlink /bin/bash pointing to sh or ash.

>  Any recommendations for a rescue image that
> has at least lvm, parted, and ext4 utilities?

The Debian installer have them all.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Brian]

On Fri 20 Nov 2015 at 11:18:41 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:

> After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.
> 
> First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking me
> through the installer.  I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.  At the
> screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.

Ye of little faith; the top left-hand of the screen says "Rescue mode".

Your expectations do not accord with what Rescue mode does to prepare
the environment for accessing the installer's commands, Which should
change - your expectations or the installer?

It's a pity you didn't progress from the step asking for the hostname.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Ross Boylan]

So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
complete system, e.g., with bash.

In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
Ross

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Brian  wrote:

> On Fri 20 Nov 2015 at 11:18:41 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
>
> > After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.
> >
> > First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking
> me
> > through the installer.  I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.  At
> the
> > screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.
>
> Ye of little faith; the top left-hand of the screen says "Rescue mode".
>
> Your expectations do not accord with what Rescue mode does to prepare
> the environment for accessing the installer's commands, Which should
> change - your expectations or the installer?
>
> It's a pity you didn't progress from the step asking for the hostname.
>
>

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Pascal Hambourg]

Ross Boylan a écrit :
> So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> rescue, not overwriting the existing system?

Even in installer mode, nothing is written on the disks until you
validate the changes in partman, the partitioning tool.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Chris Edwards]

On 21/11/15 08:18, Ross Boylan wrote:

After booting the Debian 8.2 netinst iso I noticed a couple of oddities.

First, I selected advanced and rescue, but this seemed to end up walking
me through the installer.  I was expecting to be dropped into a shell.
At the screen that asked for system name I switched virtual terminals.



In my experience, "rescue" is a bit of a misnomer, as the toolset is 
just too rudimentary.


For practical rescue activities, I've found the "live" image is far more 
heroic. It has more utilities out of the box, and can install packages 
into the live environment for any extras you might need. I often use it 
for resizing Windows partitions I want to keep when installing Debian 
(you can install from within the live environment too).


Hope this helps,
--
Chris

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[tomas]

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> It appears that vgimportclone is defined as a bash script (1st line
> contains #!/bin/bash) but bash is not included in the Debian installer.
> I don't know if this script really requires bash or could be run with
> the installer's shell, ash. In the latter case, just modify the script
> header or create a symlink /bin/bash pointing to sh or ash.

or -- the minimal-invasive variant, try invoking the shell explicitly,
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Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 20 November 2015 20:10:38 Ross Boylan wrote:
> In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.

??

Lisi

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Brian]

On Fri 20 Nov 2015 at 12:10:38 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:

> So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
> complete system, e.g., with bash.

Language, keyboard, network and hardware discovery take place; the same
things which happen when actually installing. Tools to work in the
installer environment (if you choose to) are also loaded into memory.
The shell is /bin/sh whether you are in /dev/sd* or not. There is no TAB
completion, which makes things a bit tedious.

Everyone should (as "It's not a bad idea to ) trial rescue mode in
the event is becomes necessary to use it in earnest. :)

> 
> In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.

I've never really explored a graphical approach to rescue. Maybe it's
time to.

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Bob Holtzman]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10:38PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> So the operations are simply setting up an environment for doing the
> rescue, not overwriting the existing system?  I'm happy to change my
> expectation if that's the case.Maybe by the end of it there is a more
> complete system, e.g., with bash.
> 
> In the meantime I've downloaded the first CD of the Debian live CD's.
> Ross

Wanna bet?

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Lisi Reisz]

On 8 October 2012 15:37, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 Then install it!  As one paranoid to another, you really have nothing to 
 lose.

 Ok, got it!  I'm good to go!

:-)

 BEFORE DOING ANYTHING AT ALL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR
 WINDOWS DRIVE WELL BACKED UP.

 Done!  I'm good to go Lisi.  Good to go!

:-))

 Sorry to shout, but you don't seem to have taken that in!!  Your
 Windows drive is precious to you.  You need to have a good backup at
 all times.  What if your drive dies?  You are not paranoid enough
 about this!!


 Thank you for this most important warning. Its always good to make
 sure it sinks in! It's all taken care of. I'm good to go!


 Install it!!

 Good luck,


 Ok,  I'm good to go.  I'm good to go!

That's good news!

 BTW,  I noticed you replied to this post off-list.

Oh, dear.  I struggle rather with Gmail, which is hopefully only temporary.

 I actually posted
 some off-list replies to the list to keep the chain of events in
 order. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that but my last post I emailed
 to you (on-list) asked questions that you answered here. I just want
 to be sure that the question/answer cycle is complete for other newbie
 installers who read the thread.

Thank you.  That is very helpful.

 I'll reply off-list in the future to all off-lists emails. I'm fairly
 new to this mailing list stuff as well and keep forgetting to
 reply-all when responding. I used to work in MS Outlook express for
 my mail prior to moving to gmail. Outlook express replied to all
 automatically when I responded. Gmail does not automatically do this
 which is probably better. Gmail just takes some getting used to.

You can say that again!

 If you can kindly 'add' the reply you sent me today to the user-list
 (to complete the thread) I would appreciate it.

I'll try.  My previous errors do not suggest that my attempts will
necessarily be successful!

 Perhaps a shortened
 version to save you time. If you want me to add the reply just let me
 know. I'm installing Debian and have no further pre-install questions
 unless of course something happens that requires help. In that case I
 will have started a new thread (different topic).

 Lisi, thanks for your patience and help.

You're very welcome.  let us (or anyhow me!) know how you get on.

Lisi

Sorry all.  Untrimmed at the bottom here because I am cack-handed at
all things Gmail. :-(

 Wally


 On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, Wally,

 On 7 October 2012 22:26, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7 October 2012 19:05, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?

 On Oct 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com replied:

 No.  You have to offer that at a later stage when you are asked for it
 by the installer.

 Hi Lisi,

 Thanks for helping again. Can we please start over? I'm not understanding.

 Before installing Debian Squeeze via the netinst.iso file, I was
 advised to run the Debian LiveCd to test my systems hardware. Is this
 still recommended or should I forget the liveCD and simply begin the
 install process to my hard drive using the netinst CD that I burned?

 Yes.  Just try to install.  It will soon tell you that there is a
 problem, if there is one.  And what have you got to lose?

 If you do recommend that I simply begin the install to my hard drive,
 and if during the install, the installer asked for firmware, then I
 place the USB stick into the computer (that has the the firmware on
 it)

 Yes.

 OR should the USB stick already be in the computer prior to the
 install?

 No.  If you need to put it in, you will be asked by the installer.

 This is confusing and I appreciate your help.

 You are making it a good deal more confusing than it needs to be.
 There is nothing we can say that will enable you to visualise the
 whole process.  Just take a leap in the dark.

 Here is the link where I downloaded the firmware .zip file
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/

 It doesn't matter.  Just install.  If you have got the wrong file the
 installer will soon tell you!

 I would strongly recommend using ethernet, not wi-fi, for your net
 install if you possibly can.  It is easier and you are much less
 likely to need firmware.


 Thanks for that advice. Yes, I am using ethernet for the net install.
 [snip a long list of unnecessary details.]

 Just trying to get Debian installed. Thank you very much!

 Then install it!  As one paranoid to another, you really have nothing to 
 lose.

 BEFORE DOING ANYTHING AT ALL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR WINDOWS
 DRIVE WELL BACKED UP.

 Sorry to shout, but you don't seem to have taken that in!!  Your
 

Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Lisi Reisz]

Hi, Wally,

On 7 October 2012 22:26, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7 October 2012 19:05, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?

 On Oct 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com replied:

 No.  You have to offer that at a later stage when you are asked for it
 by the installer.

 Hi Lisi,

 Thanks for helping again. Can we please start over? I'm not understanding.

 Before installing Debian Squeeze via the netinst.iso file, I was
 advised to run the Debian LiveCd to test my systems hardware. Is this
 still recommended or should I forget the liveCD and simply begin the
 install process to my hard drive using the netinst CD that I burned?

Yes.  Just try to install.  It will soon tell you that there is a
problem, if there is one.  And what have you got to lose?

 If you do recommend that I simply begin the install to my hard drive,
 and if during the install, the installer asked for firmware, then I
 place the USB stick into the computer (that has the the firmware on
 it)

Yes.

 OR should the USB stick already be in the computer prior to the
 install?

No.  If you need to put it in, you will be asked by the installer.

 This is confusing and I appreciate your help.

You are making it a good deal more confusing than it needs to be.
There is nothing we can say that will enable you to visualise the
whole process.  Just take a leap in the dark.

 Here is the link where I downloaded the firmware .zip file
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/

It doesn't matter.  Just install.  If you have got the wrong file the
installer will soon tell you!

 I would strongly recommend using ethernet, not wi-fi, for your net
 install if you possibly can.  It is easier and you are much less
 likely to need firmware.


 Thanks for that advice. Yes, I am using ethernet for the net install.
[snip a long list of unnecessary details.]

 Just trying to get Debian installed. Thank you very much!

Then install it!  As one paranoid to another, you really have nothing to lose.

BEFORE DOING ANYTHING AT ALL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR WINDOWS
DRIVE WELL BACKED UP.

Sorry to shout, but you don't seem to have taken that in!!  Your
Windows drive is precious to you.  You need to have a good backup at
all times.  What if your drive dies?  You are not paranoid enough
about this!!

Then, just install and see where it gets you.  There is nothing else
that we collectively can do to help you install.  Only you can do
anything more.  Install it!!

Good luck,
Lisi


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:

 You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
 guide.


Hi Brian

Chapter 6 discusses using the Debian Installer. I am not utilizing the
installer. I downloaded the netinst.iso file. Is there a difference?

Here is the link that describes the netinst file that I downloaded.
http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

  You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
 unzipping the file you get from

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

 to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.

I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
CD I created?

Appreciate the help in getting Debian installed.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Paul E Condon]

On 20121007_140524, Wally Lepore wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 
  You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
  guide.
 
 
 Hi Brian
 
 Chapter 6 discusses using the Debian Installer. I am not utilizing the
 installer. I downloaded the netinst.iso file. Is there a difference?
 
 Here is the link that describes the netinst file that I downloaded.
 http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
 
   You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
  unzipping the file you get from
 
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/
 
  to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.
 
 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?
 
 Appreciate the help in getting Debian installed.

Wally,

Windows and Debian use different file systems on disk. I think Windows
is incapable of modifying data on extN formatted disks that Debian
uses. And Windows does have some safety checks that keep you from
mistakenly formatting a disk that already has a non-Windows format on
it.

Conversely, Debian can read and write the Windows file system, but
only if you tell it to mount the Windows disk. During install you will
be given a opportunity to select what disks and partitions you want
Debian to mount in detail. Use this opportunity. Make sure you see the
Windows disk while configuring, and be sure you select do not mount.

HTH

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[NIT] Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Neal Murphy]

On Sunday, October 07, 2012 03:18:25 PM Paul E Condon wrote:
 Windows and Debian use different file systems on disk. I think Windows
 is incapable of modifying data on extN formatted disks that Debian
 uses.


A minor NIT to pick.

There is an EXT3 driver for Winders that enables it to read and write certain 
Linux file systems. It worked quite well, though it's been some years since I 
used it.


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Re: [NIT] Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Paul E Condon]

On 20121007_152845, Neal Murphy wrote:
 On Sunday, October 07, 2012 03:18:25 PM Paul E Condon wrote:
  Windows and Debian use different file systems on disk. I think Windows
  is incapable of modifying data on extN formatted disks that Debian
  uses.
 
 
 A minor NIT to pick.
 
 There is an EXT3 driver for Winders that enables it to read and write certain 
 Linux file systems. It worked quite well, though it's been some years since I 
 used it.

I didn't know that. 
Wally,

I had assumed that your Windows computer is a plain vanilla Windows
machine with the only software on it purchased from a Microsoft
approved software outlet. 

But if the computer you have has been powned by a Debian hating Linux
guru to has placed a version of Linux some other Linus on it in a
hidden location waiting and watching for a Debian install ... Well
even paranoids can have enemies.  Be afraid, be very afraid... ;-)


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Brian]

On Sun 07 Oct 2012 at 14:05:24 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

 Chapter 6 discusses using the Debian Installer. I am not utilizing the
 installer. I downloaded the netinst.iso file. Is there a difference?

No difference. They are the same thing.

 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested

Yes.

and run that from the USB stick

You do not run it, you unzip it. The contents of the zip file then get
unpacked.

and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?

No. The unpacked files are used by the installer (your netinst,iso) if
they are required. It will tell you if you need to provide firmware.

You have the netinst.iso on a CD, I think. Have you actually booted from
it? If you haven't, do it immediately after reading this mail. Remove
the drive you have Windows on if you must. Read the installer Guide, stop
agonising and get stuck in. You may make mistakes, but so what. It's
only an operating system you are installing, not a procedure to replace a
defective heart. You can always start all over again.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

 On 7 October 2012 19:05, Wally Lepore wallylep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not understanding please. Do I download the .zip file you
 suggested and run that from the USB stick and that alone will tell me
 if any firmware is needed for my system prior to running the netinst
 CD I created?

 On Oct 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com replied:

 No.  You have to offer that at a later stage when you are asked for it
 by the installer.

Hi Lisi,

Thanks for helping again. Can we please start over? I'm not understanding.

Before installing Debian Squeeze via the netinst.iso file, I was
advised to run the Debian LiveCd to test my systems hardware. Is this
still recommended or should I forget the liveCD and simply begin the
install process to my hard drive using the netinst CD that I burned?

If you do recommend that I simply begin the install to my hard drive,
and if during the install, the installer asked for firmware, then I
place the USB stick into the computer (that has the the firmware on
it) OR should the USB stick already be in the computer prior to the
install? This is confusing and I appreciate your help.

Here is the link where I downloaded the firmware .zip file
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/


 I would strongly recommend using ethernet, not wi-fi, for your net
 install if you possibly can.  It is easier and you are much less
 likely to need firmware.


Thanks for that advice. Yes, I am using ethernet for the net install.

By the way, here is a link to the motherboard I'm using to install
Debian Squeeze. The motherboard is an iWill DVD266R. The board has SMP
as it uses 'two' pentium III processors. It provides up to 4 gigs
'max' of DDR memory however I only have 1 gig of RAM installed. It
should handle Debian Squeeze (basic system) no problem. I can provide
any additional hardware specs if needed.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/iwill-dvd266-r.html

The Debian detailed instruction guide says that dual processors are
supported. See:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#id583798

I have the raid controllers turned 'off' and using an 80 gig Western
Digital EIDE hard drive to install Debian to.

Also following instructions on section titled, 3.6.3. Miscellaneous
BIOS Settings
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s06.html.en#id586045

Complete Debian Install instructions for i386
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/

Just trying to get Debian installed. Thank you very much!


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sun 07 Oct 2012 at 14:05:24 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

 and run that from the USB stick?


 You do not run it, you unzip it. The contents of the zip file then get
 unpacked.

Yes I understand how to extract files. Sorry, I meant to say:
After downloading the zip file, do I unpack it to a folder on the USB drive?

I just extracted all the files from the firmware zip file 'as a test'
to see the contents and noticed all the files are .deb files. Ok I
understand now. I thought the firmware zip file contained an iso image
or something that needed to be burned to the USB drive. Sorry for the
confusion.

 and that alone will tell me if any firmware is needed for my
 system prior to running the netinst CD I created?


 No. The unpacked files are used by the installer (your netinst,iso) if
 they are required. It will tell you if you need to provide firmware.

Ok, therefore both the netinst cd installer and the USB stick have to
be in the computer at boot up? or if the installer asks for the
firmware I simply plug in the USB drive that contains the firmware
files?

 You have the netinst.iso on a CD, I think.

Yes I have it already it burned to a CD.

Have you actually booted from it?

No, not yet.

If you haven't, do it immediately after reading this mail. Remove
 the drive you have Windows on if you must. Read the installer Guide, stop
 agonising and get stuck in. You may make mistakes, but so what. It's
 only an operating system you are installing, not a procedure to replace a
 defective heart. You can always start all over again.

Ok got it! But just to clarify. The reason I was holding back is
because it was suggested that I run the LiveCD first and see if Debian
has any issues with my hardware etc.

So what you are recommending is forget the LiveCD and just boot up the
installer and begin the install process to my hard drive?

Thanks Brian.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Brian]

On Sun 07 Oct 2012 at 19:02:29 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 
  You do not run it, you unzip it. The contents of the zip file then get
  unpacked.
 
 Yes I understand how to extract files. Sorry, I meant to say:
 After downloading the zip file, do I unpack it to a folder on the USB drive?
 
 I just extracted all the files from the firmware zip file 'as a test'
 to see the contents and noticed all the files are .deb files. Ok I
 understand now. I thought the firmware zip file contained an iso image
 or something that needed to be burned to the USB drive. Sorry for the
 confusion.

Just copy the extracted .deb files to the USB drive. Or put the firmware
zip file on the drive and extract them there. There is no ned to put
them in a folder on the drive

  No. The unpacked files are used by the installer (your netinst,iso) if
  they are required. It will tell you if you need to provide firmware.
 
 Ok, therefore both the netinst cd installer and the USB stick have to
 be in the computer at boot up? or if the installer asks for the
 firmware I simply plug in the USB drive that contains the firmware
 files?

The USB stick does not have to be in computer at boot time. Take the
second option.

 If you haven't, do it immediately after reading this mail. Remove
  the drive you have Windows on if you must. Read the installer Guide, stop
  agonising and get stuck in. You may make mistakes, but so what. It's
  only an operating system you are installing, not a procedure to replace a
  defective heart. You can always start all over again.
 
 Ok got it! But just to clarify. The reason I was holding back is
 because it was suggested that I run the LiveCD first and see if Debian
 has any issues with my hardware etc.

The firmware .debs should accomodate just about all the common hardware
a user would meet.
 
 So what you are recommending is forget the LiveCD and just boot up the
 installer and begin the install process to my hard drive?

That would be my recommendation. If you do not get a move on Wheezy will
have been released. :)


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 07:03:11PM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
 Hi Members,
 
 I just downloaded the Debian netinst.iso file called
 debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso. The file is only 191 MB because it
 installs the most basic Debian system. I then acquire the rest via the
 internet.

Yep, that is what the netinst is for. :)

 I will be installing Debian to a freshly wiped-clean hard drive. No
 other OS will be present on the hard drive. Not a Dual boot (in this
 case). I do have windows loaded on a separate hard drive but I will
 remove this drive and install the Debian drive when I choose to work
 with the Debian OS.

Debian will coexist with other OS's whereas Windows is a selfish OS and
wants everything for itself.

I would ditch Windows completely unless you know you need it because
you have proprietry software. Although nowadays there is usually a Linux
alternative. More importantly, is hardware support; make sure Linux will
work with your hardware.

I would grab a LiveCD and check the hardware works. At least you can get
a listing (lspci, et al) for further checks.

 I understand I can load a dual boot using two separate drives as I
 found instructions here that describe the set-up:
 http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7-on-a-computer-with-2-hard-drives/

Yeah, just be aware of the Disk UUID and also where you stick the MBR.

 But unless someone can kindly convince me otherwise, I simply prefer
 to keep both OS's from ever knowing each other. I hope this method
 does not cause BIOS or firmware issues.

The hardware may require firmware regardless. That is why I suggest you
get a listing of your hardware, then you can find out if firmware is
required.

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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Brian]

On Fri 05 Oct 2012 at 19:03:11 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

 I just downloaded the Debian netinst.iso file called
 debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso. The file is only 191 MB because it
 installs the most basic Debian system. I then acquire the rest via the
 internet.
 
 I was reading the install instructions here:
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
 
 This is extremely detailed and certainly very helpful. However since I
 only have one CD to install, can I simply load the install CD and
 follow on the on-screen installation walk-thru that includes setting
 up the partitions (similar to Ubuntu's installer) or will I be
 expecting something completely different? Just would like to know
 what's headed my way before loading the CD.

You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
guide. You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
unzipping the file you get from

   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.

You might want to take up the offer at the partitioning stage of doing
it manually. One large partition and a GB or two of swap space would
suit many people.
 
 I will be installing Debian to a freshly wiped-clean hard drive. No
 other OS will be present on the hard drive. Not a Dual boot (in this
 case). I do have windows loaded on a separate hard drive but I will
 remove this drive and install the Debian drive when I choose to work
 with the Debian OS.

In this situation installing GRUB to the MBR of the drive should go very
smoothly.

 I understand I can load a dual boot using two separate drives as I
 found instructions here that describe the set-up:
 http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7-on-a-computer-with-2-hard-drives/
 
 But unless someone can kindly convince me otherwise, I simply prefer
 to keep both OS's from ever knowing each other. I hope this method
 does not cause BIOS or firmware issues.

Not a problem. Just do it.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Lisi]

On Saturday 06 October 2012 10:46:04 Brian wrote:
 On Fri 05 Oct 2012 at 19:03:11 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
  I just downloaded the Debian netinst.iso file called
  debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso. The file is only 191 MB because it
  installs the most basic Debian system. I then acquire the rest via the
  internet.
 
  I was reading the install instructions here:
  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
 
  This is extremely detailed and certainly very helpful. However since I
  only have one CD to install, can I simply load the install CD and
  follow on the on-screen installation walk-thru that includes setting
  up the partitions (similar to Ubuntu's installer) or will I be
  expecting something completely different? Just would like to know
  what's headed my way before loading the CD.

 You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
 guide. You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
 unzipping the file you get from

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

 to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.

 You might want to take up the offer at the partitioning stage of doing
 it manually. One large partition and a GB or two of swap space would
 suit many people.

  I will be installing Debian to a freshly wiped-clean hard drive. No
  other OS will be present on the hard drive. Not a Dual boot (in this
  case). I do have windows loaded on a separate hard drive but I will
  remove this drive and install the Debian drive when I choose to work
  with the Debian OS.

 In this situation installing GRUB to the MBR of the drive should go very
 smoothly.

  I understand I can load a dual boot using two separate drives as I
  found instructions here that describe the set-up:
  http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7
 -on-a-computer-with-2-hard-drives/
 
  But unless someone can kindly convince me otherwise, I simply prefer
  to keep both OS's from ever knowing each other. I hope this method
  does not cause BIOS or firmware issues.

I have in the past set up a system on which I dual-booted by having Windows on 
one HDD and Linux on another. I then switched between them by changing the 
boot order in the BIOS.  Easier and quicker than moving disks around.

I solve the problem now by not having Windows!

Lisi


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

 Chris Bannister wrote:  (On Oct, 06, 2012)

 Debian will coexist with other OS's whereas Windows is a selfish OS and
 wants everything for itself.


That is why I can't afford a single trip-up with upsetting windows.
My whole life is on that drive! Sure I have my files backed up but the
applications alone would simply take weeks to reinstall if need be.


 I would ditch Windows completely unless you know you need it because
 you have proprietry software. Although nowadays there is usually a Linux
 alternative. More importantly, is hardware support; make sure Linux will
 work with your hardware.


I understand your suggestion and eventually I hope to move in that
direction but -for now- its highly unlikely that I'd be able to make a
100% switch. I am  involved with stock and currency trading and
utilize a whole bunch of applications for this profession. I am also a
musician and likewise utilize Sonar as my Digital Audio Workstation
along with a host of other applications to assist in composing music.

I also work with video editing and a host of other photo work. I
understand there are replacements for some (if not all of these)
applications, but the downtime would be enormous and I just can't
afford that right now. Step-by-step (as you already know). Thanks for
the up-lifting spirit. :-)


 I would grab a LiveCD and check the hardware works. At least you can get
 a listing (lspci, et al) for further checks.


Is this the link for the live CD?
http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

I ask because I attempted to install Ubuntu awhile back and their
LiveCd was a snap to find and download but that's a whole other story.
I'm still learning my way around Debian's web site.


 The hardware may require firmware regardless. That is why I suggest you
 get a listing of your hardware, then you can find out if firmware is
 required.


Using the Live CD link above?

Thank you for helping Chris.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: (On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:46 AM),

 You will have a good idea what to expect after reading Chapter 6 of the
 guide. You will also have prepared for the possible need for firmware by
 unzipping the file you get from

 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/

 to a USB stick after reading Section 2.2.

 You might want to take up the offer at the partitioning stage of doing
 it manually. One large partition and a GB or two of swap space would
 suit many people.


Hi Brian,

Yes I am studying and reading Chapter 6. That link you sent me
above...is that for the LiveCD that test my hardware for firmware?

I never burned anything to a USB stick. Reading section 2.2 should be
a real education. I read in the past that burning iso images to a USB
can destroy the USB stick. It's just what I've read but I have no
experience performing this procedure as of yet.

Reading section 2.2 now. Thanks Brian.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Wally Lepore]

 Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: (On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 6:14 AM),

 I have in the past set up a system on which I dual-booted by having
 Windows on one HDD and Linux on another.
 I then switched between them by changing the boot order in the BIOS.
 Easier and quicker than moving disks around.

 I solve the problem now by not having Windows!

 Lisi

Hi Lisi,

Good point. I am aware of changing the boot order of the drives in
BIOS but someone brought up a good point awhile back.
If I have both drives on a single cable
(Windows drive set to master and Debian drive set to slave),
can I change the boot order and make a slave drive boot first?
I was warned that this may not work.

I thought changing the boot order only works when drives (disks)
are installed on their own separate ribbon cables and each drive
is set to master (obviously).

Thank you Lisi.


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Lisi]

On Saturday 06 October 2012 15:22:52 Wally Lepore wrote:
  Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: (On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 6:14 AM),
 
  I have in the past set up a system on which I dual-booted by having
  Windows on one HDD and Linux on another.
  I then switched between them by changing the boot order in the BIOS.
  Easier and quicker than moving disks around.
 
  I solve the problem now by not having Windows!
 
  Lisi

 Hi Lisi,

 Good point. I am aware of changing the boot order of the drives in
 BIOS but someone brought up a good point awhile back.
 If I have both drives on a single cable
 (Windows drive set to master and Debian drive set to slave),
 can I change the boot order and make a slave drive boot first?
 I was warned that this may not work.

 I thought changing the boot order only works when drives (disks)
 are installed on their own separate ribbon cables and each drive
 is set to master (obviously).

 Thank you Lisi.

Hi, Wally,

It was quite a long time ago, but so far as I remember they were both on the 
same cable.  I think that I had both optical drives on one cable and both IDE 
drives on another.  It may depend on the specific motherboard and BIOS, the 
specific cables and drives, even which way the wind is blowing. ;-)

The fact that it worked for me, doesn't mean that it will work for you.  But 
if your informant only says that it might not work, then there is nothing to 
lose.  Why not try it?  If it works, well and good.  If it doesn't work, too 
bad, and go back to your original plan.

Before doing any playing around, if the stuff you have on your Windows HDD is 
so precious, you really need a good backup, such as done by Clonezilla, 
Norton Ghost,etc.; even dd.  Indeed, you need that good a backup all the time 
in case the HDD dies.  (They do you know.  Usually just when it is most 
inconvenient.)

Lisi


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Re: Debian Small CD install netinst.iso

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:04:17AM -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
 
 Is this the link for the live CD?
 http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

Thats one. There is also knoppix, and various others.

 I ask because I attempted to install Ubuntu awhile back and their
 LiveCd was a snap to find and download but that's a whole other story.

If you still have it lying around, I'd use that, the software to get the
hardware is not specific to Debian. I'd just run sudo lspci -vv  in a
terminal and save as a text file to any old USB stick you've got lying
around. 

Boot CD - Plug in USB - find out where it is mounted, then in a
terminal issue: sudo lspci -vv  /mountpoint/lspci-list

and voila!


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Re: Debian Live CD

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Re: Debian Live CD

[Gustavo Soares [SLot]]

http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD


Em 29-09-2011 14:08, Marcos Antonio Rufino do Egito escreveu:

Boa Tarde Debianos!

Alguém sabe como posso baixar o Debian live CD ...

Grato!





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Re: Debian Live CD

[Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)]

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On 29-09-2011 14:11, Gustavo Soares [SLot] wrote:
 Em 29-09-2011 14:08, Marcos Antonio Rufino do Egito escreveu:
 Boa Tarde Debianos!

 Alguém sabe como posso baixar o Debian live CD ...

 http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD

Só para registrar algo que nem sempre é óbvio ou fácil de encontrar.

A maioria dos espelhos de download carrega uma cópia dos CDs e dos
live CDs, por exemplo:

Nosso espelho primário no Brasil tem uma cópia dos CDs:

http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian-cd/


Lá você encontra o 6.0.2-live que é o Debian Live CD.

Abraço,
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Re: debian live cd

[Klaus Becker]

Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 07:33:17, Pierre Meurisse a écrit :
 On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:24:09AM +0200, Georges wrote:
 ...
   Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?
  
  Vendredi : Wouarf ! je les ai toutes essayé et aucune ne permet de 
  configurer le 
  clavier et la langue au départ.
   Qwerty c'est pas terrible et en console sans X c'est décourageant : 
  iso-hybrid/ 
  
 J'utilise un CD debian-live que j'ai configuré moi-même il y a plusieurs mois
 Il y a en principe une option qui permet de tout franciser. Dans la dernière
 version de live-helper que j'ai utilisée, cela n'avait plus l'air de marcher.
 Mais à l'utilisation, c'est facile à contourner :
 - en console : loadkeys fr
 - sous X : setxkbmap fr
 et c'est bon pour toute la session.
 
 A+
 
 

Connais-tu http://aptosid.com/ ? 

Klaus

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Re: debian live cd

[Georges]

Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 12:13:01, Klaus Becker a écrit :

Bonsoir,

 Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 07:33:17, Pierre Meurisse a écrit :
  On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:24:09AM +0200, Georges wrote:
  ...
  
Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?
   
   Vendredi : Wouarf ! je les ai toutes essayé et aucune ne permet de
   configurer le clavier et la langue au départ.
   
Qwerty c'est pas terrible et en console sans X c'est décourageant :
iso-hybrid/
  
  J'utilise un CD debian-live que j'ai configuré moi-même il y a plusieurs
  mois Il y a en principe une option qui permet de tout franciser. Dans la
  dernière version de live-helper que j'ai utilisée, cela n'avait plus
  l'air de marcher. Mais à l'utilisation, c'est facile à contourner :
  - en console : loadkeys fr
  - sous X : setxkbmap fr
  et c'est bon pour toute la session.
  
  A+
 
 Connais-tu http://aptosid.com/ ?
Non, et comme je ne pratique que très mal l'anglais je n'ai pas tout compris 
sur 
leur site.
Bon, en le faisant traduire par chromium je vais approfondir mais les 
traductions sont souvent _approximatives_

 Klaus
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Re: debian live cd

[Georges]

Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 21:24:14, Georges a écrit :

[couic..]

Et Jean-Christophe Saint-Marc ma écrit ce qui suit, en privé, car pas abonné à 
la liste, et qui peu servir à plus d'un. Donc je transmet avec son accord.

[copie ...]
Bonjour,

petit préalable : les développeurs debian live ont l'habitude de changer
la syntaxe entre les versions donc tout ce qui suit est valable pour squeeze

utiliser les live cd debian disponibles sur
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
ou pour amd64
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

choisir la version du cd (trié ici par taille)
standard
rescue
lxde-desktop
xfce-desktop
kde-desktop
gnome-desktop

au boot du cd, sur le menu, faire Échap pour avoir le prompt et booter
avec la commande suivante
boot: live live-config.locales=fr keyboard-layouts=fr timezone=Europe/Paris

ça fonctionne bien avec le live cd gnome qui contient déjà les
traductions alors que pour kde, vu que le paquet kde-l10n-fr n'est pas
inclus il faut l'ajouter pour que ça fasse effet

on peut automatiser la procédure de boot francisé en modifiant l'iso du
cd avec isomaster par exemple ; il suffit d'éditer le fichier qui va
bien : isolinux/live.cfg
et de remplacer
 append initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live config   quiet
par
 append initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live config
live-config.locales=fr keyboard-layouts=fr  quiet

pour ceux qui veulent se lancer avec live-helper et créer un cd adapté :
http://live.debian.net/manual/fr/html/

librement votre
[...copie]

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Re: debian live cd

[philippe monroux]

De (from) (von) linux.debus...@free.fr :


 pour ceux qui veulent se lancer avec live-helper et créer un cd adapté :
 http://live.debian.net/manual/fr/html/
 
C'est amha le meilleure soluce. Pour ne pas s'ennuyer avec les
différentes syntaxes il y a la configuration auto (voir la doc) qui se
fait grâce à des fichiers qui se trouvent ds le rep auto:

-rwxr--r-- 1 root root   53 31 oct.   2010 build
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 21 janv.  2011 cache
-rwxr--r-- 1 root root  129 31 oct.   2010 clean
-rwxr--r-- 1 root root  350 12 sept. 16:36 config
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 21 janv.  2011 functions
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 21 janv.  2011 scripts

le + important est le config dont je communique la contenance du mien :

#!/bin/sh
lb config noauto \
-b usb-hdd \
--bootappend-live locales=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyboard-layouts=fr persistent \
--packages mc gnumeric xpdf htop idle geogebra emacs openprinting-ppds cups 
lsb mutt virtualbox-ose  \
-p xfce \
-d squeeze \
-a i386 \
-k 686 \
--archive-areas main contrib non-free \
--includes none \
--syslinux-timeout 5 \
${@}


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Re: debian live cd

[Jean-Yves F. Barbier]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:41:36 +0200, Georges linux.debus...@free.fr wrote:

 A propos, ou trouver un live cd debian squeeze qui permet de le lancer comme 
 knopix kaella et d'autres avec un clavier  _français_ et la langue
 fr_FR.UTF-8.
 
 Je cherche depuis des jours et _tous_ sont infernalement difficile à
 configurer.

Quel intérêt? Alors qu'il suffit d'une courte ligne de Cde pour lancer une
Knoppix comme on veut (basée sur squeeze, experimental  sid).
Si c'est juste pour modifier son boot, il existe de tas de HOWTOs qui
expliquent comment faire.

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Re: debian live cd

[Aéris]

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Le 15/09/2011 22:50, Georges a écrit :
 Bonjour,
 
 A propos, ou trouver un live cd debian squeeze qui permet de le lancer comme 
 knopix kaella et d'autres avec un clavier  _français_ et la langue  
 fr_FR.UTF-8.

Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?

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Re: debian live cd

[Georges]

Le jeudi 15 septembre 2011 23:06:09, Aéris a écrit :
 Le 15/09/2011 22:50, Georges a écrit :
  Bonjour,
  
  A propos, ou trouver un live cd debian squeeze qui permet de le lancer
  comme knopix kaella et d'autres avec un clavier  _français_ et la langue
   fr_FR.UTF-8.
 
 Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?

Vendredi : Wouarf ! je les ai toutes essayé et aucune ne permet de configurer 
le 
clavier et la langue au départ.
 Qwerty c'est pas terrible et en console sans X c'est décourageant : 
iso-hybrid/ 

Merci quand même

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Re: debian live cd

[Pierre Meurisse]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 07:24:09AM +0200, Georges wrote:
...
  Au pif : http://live.debian.net/ ?
 
 Vendredi : Wouarf ! je les ai toutes essayé et aucune ne permet de configurer 
 le 
 clavier et la langue au départ.
  Qwerty c'est pas terrible et en console sans X c'est décourageant : 
 iso-hybrid/ 
 
J'utilise un CD debian-live que j'ai configuré moi-même il y a plusieurs mois
Il y a en principe une option qui permet de tout franciser. Dans la dernière
version de live-helper que j'ai utilisée, cela n'avait plus l'air de marcher.
Mais à l'utilisation, c'est facile à contourner :
- en console : loadkeys fr
- sous X : setxkbmap fr
et c'est bon pour toute la session.

A+

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Re: Debian boot cd stalls: Dell Dimension E521 with amd64

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 22:50:33 +, Joel Malard wrote:
 The installation stalls just after the message
 
io sceduler cfg registered (default)
 
 I tried install BOOT_DEBUG=3 but got no error message.
 
 I tried netcfg/disable_dhcp=true
 hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false
 exclude port 0x800-0x877
 debian-installer/probe/usb=false
 
 one at a time but to no effect. This PC came with a preinstalled XP and
 I didn't create a partition because I don't care to keep the latter OS.
 When I tried to reinstall XP to try check the BIOS settings it complained
 that the unpartitioned space was too small, the main partition has another OS
 installed, presumably Linux. 
 
 Where might the the installation be stalled? Any help would be most welcome.

Try acpi=noirq or even noacpi as a boot parameter. Also, it seems
that you have to check which version of the BIOS is installed:

http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/189-Dell-Dimension-E521-with-Linux.html

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Re: Debian 4.0 CD/DVD LightScribe art-work

[mc3393]

Masatran, R. Deepak ha scritto:

Someone made art-work for Debian 4.0 CD/DVD's that looked suitable for
LightScribe. I do not remember where I saw it. It it not showing up in
Google search. 
  

maybe because is in German :-)

http://www.ulrich-hansen.de/etch/index.htm

Bye

Luigi


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Re: Debian custom CD ou outra distro

[Fábio Rabelo]

http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/portugues/index.html

Fábio Rabelo


Rúben Lício escreveu:

Bom dia,

Estou precisando fazer uma distribuição minha do debian, com 
configurações e programas customizados.
A parte de fazer as configurações e as intalações dos programas que eu 
preciso, são a parte fácil.


O problema está sendo em achar algo que crie para mim um cd de 
instalação do que eu modifiquei, ou mesmo achar um projeto que tenha 
uma instalação basica, tipo LFS, e deixe eu escolher pacotes ou 
complementar o script deles.


Alguém tem alguma dica de onde procurar por isso?

Já vi o Debian Custom CD, mas até agora não achei nada prático dele, 
só falando de teoria do que irá fazer, mas não do que faz. Alguem sabe 
se o projeto está em andamento, ou foi abandonado ou já é maduro?



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Re: Debian custom CD ou outra distro

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On 01/12/2007 05:07 PM, Rúben Lício wrote:
 Bom dia,
 
 Estou precisando fazer uma distribuição minha do debian, com
 configurações e programas customizados.
 A parte de fazer as configurações e as intalações dos programas que eu
 preciso, são a parte fácil.
 
 O problema está sendo em achar algo que crie para mim um cd de
 instalação do que eu modifiquei, ou mesmo achar um projeto que tenha uma
 instalação basica, tipo LFS, e deixe eu escolher pacotes ou complementar
 o script deles.
 
 Alguém tem alguma dica de onde procurar por isso?
 
 Já vi o Debian Custom CD, mas até agora não achei nada prático dele, só
 falando de teoria do que irá fazer, mas não do que faz. Alguem sabe se o
 projeto está em andamento, ou foi abandonado ou já é maduro?

CDDs são amplamente usadas: Debian-BR-CDD, Sacix,
SkoleLinux, Debian-NP, AGNULA/DeMuDi, entre outros. Criar
uma CDD não é tarefa das mais simples, o simple-cdd ajuda
bastante nisso.

Muitas vezes você não precisa de uma CDD, você
precisa de um instalador com pré-configuração (preseed).
Planejar o ciclo de atualização de uma CDD é a parte
que muita gente esquece.


 Abraços,
 Rúben Lício Reis
 Linux user #433535
 Linux because we are freedon.

Abraço,

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Re: Debian custom CD ou outra distro

[Rúben Lício]

Sim, o que eu preciso é de um instalador personalizado - não uma distro
necessáriamente própria. Mesmo porque isso não vai ser para distribuição,
será para uso interno da empresa, e não vai ter nada de excepcional, apenas
os pacotes que agente precisa otimizados para o que agente faz para
facilitar o trabalho na hora de instalar novas maquinas...

Eu estava olhando esse SimpleCDD agora a pouco. Alguem já utilizou ele e
pode me falar mais da parte prática dele, problemas e soluções que ele traz?

Abraços,

Rúben

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On 01/12/2007 05:07 PM, Rúben Lício wrote:
 Bom dia,

 Estou precisando fazer uma distribuição minha do debian, com
 configurações e programas customizados.
 A parte de fazer as configurações e as intalações dos programas que eu
 preciso, são a parte fácil.

 O problema está sendo em achar algo que crie para mim um cd de
 instalação do que eu modifiquei, ou mesmo achar um projeto que tenha uma
 instalação basica, tipo LFS, e deixe eu escolher pacotes ou complementar
 o script deles.

 Alguém tem alguma dica de onde procurar por isso?

 Já vi o Debian Custom CD, mas até agora não achei nada prático dele, só
 falando de teoria do que irá fazer, mas não do que faz. Alguem sabe se o
 projeto está em andamento, ou foi abandonado ou já é maduro?

CDDs são amplamente usadas: Debian-BR-CDD, Sacix,
SkoleLinux, Debian-NP, AGNULA/DeMuDi, entre outros. Criar
uma CDD não é tarefa das mais simples, o simple-cdd ajuda
bastante nisso.

Muitas vezes você não precisa de uma CDD, você
precisa de um instalador com pré-configuração (preseed).
Planejar o ciclo de atualização de uma CDD é a parte
que muita gente esquece.


 Abraços,
 Rúben Lício Reis
 Linux user #433535
 Linux because we are freedon.

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Re: Debian custom CD ou outra distro

[Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)]

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On 01/12/2007 05:40 PM, Rúben Lício wrote:
 Sim, o que eu preciso é de um instalador personalizado - não uma distro
 necessáriamente própria. Mesmo porque isso não vai ser para
 distribuição, será para uso interno da empresa, e não vai ter nada de
 excepcional, apenas os pacotes que agente precisa otimizados para o que
 agente faz para facilitar o trabalho na hora de instalar novas maquinas...

Porque você não usa o FAI?  Ou o M23? Ou o cfengine? Que são
as ferramentas certas pra esse tipo de trabalho. Se a sua rede for
mista você também pode usar o WPKG para as estações MS Windows.


 Eu estava olhando esse SimpleCDD agora a pouco. Alguem já utilizou ele e
 pode me falar mais da parte prática dele, problemas e soluções que ele 
 traz?

O pessoal do Sacix usa ele. O que você quer saber da parte
prática? Ele soluciona o problema das várias etapas e de tudo o que
você tem que se preocupar ao construir uma CDD, por isso o nome,
simple-cdd. Os problemas que aparecerem provavelmente são bugs,
reporte-os, o vagrantc é o mantenedor e um cara muito legal.

A lista debian-custom (em inglês) é um bom local para obter
mais informações e detalhes sobre CDDs e o simple-cdd.


 Abraços,
 Rúben


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Re: Debian custom CD ou outra distro

[Rúben Lício]

On 1/12/07, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


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On 01/12/2007 05:40 PM, Rúben Lício wrote:
 Sim, o que eu preciso é de um instalador personalizado - não uma distro
 necessáriamente própria. Mesmo porque isso não vai ser para
 distribuição, será para uso interno da empresa, e não vai ter nada de
 excepcional, apenas os pacotes que agente precisa otimizados para o que
 agente faz para facilitar o trabalho na hora de instalar novas
maquinas...

Porque você não usa o FAI?  Ou o M23? Ou o cfengine? Que são
as ferramentas certas pra esse tipo de trabalho. Se a sua rede for
mista você também pode usar o WPKG para as estações MS Windows.




Só não uso porque realmente não conheço. Vou buscar sobre estes
projetos e estudados para verificar se seram viáveis aqui na
empresa...


Eu estava olhando esse SimpleCDD agora a pouco. Alguem já utilizou ele e
 pode me falar mais da parte prática dele, problemas e soluções que ele
 traz?

O pessoal do Sacix usa ele. O que você quer saber da parte
prática? Ele soluciona o problema das várias etapas e de tudo o que
você tem que se preocupar ao construir uma CDD, por isso o nome,
simple-cdd. Os problemas que aparecerem provavelmente são bugs,
reporte-os, o vagrantc é o mantenedor e um cara muito legal.



Achei o site do Sacix http://www.sacix.org.br/, vou entrar em contato com o
pessoal..


   A lista debian-custom (em inglês) é um bom local para obter

mais informações e detalhes sobre CDDs e o simple-cdd.



Eu entrei na lista no começo da tarde e mandei uma menssagem para o pessou,
mas acho que andam meio parado, até agora não recebi nenhuma msg de lá...


Muito obrigado cara, abraços,

Rúben



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Re: Debian-etch CD görünt üleri üzerine birkaç soru

[Recai Oktas]

Merhaba,

* Necdet Ozgur [2006-12-26 01:11:25+0200]
 Linux'a ve Debian'a oldukça yeniyim. Böyleyken önemsediğim birkaç
 nedenden ötürü Debian'da karar kıldım, bu amaçla yaklaşık 10 gün önce
 testing sürümüne ait ilk CD görüntüsünü ilgili adresten indirip kurdum.
 Şimdi diğer CD görüntülerini de indirmek istiyorum; bu doğrultuda
 öğrenmek ve emin olmak istediğim noktalar:

Sorularınızın büyük bir kısmına cevap olabilecek bir bilgi vereyim.  CD-ROM
ortamı paket kurulumu yapan üst seviye araçlar (apt-get, aptitude, dselect,
synaptic vb.) tarafından tanınan ağ, sabit disk, disket, usb bellek çubuğu
gibi kurulum ortamlarından biridir sadece.  Yani bütünlük sağlar mı
şeklinde biten sorularınız bağlamında, bir kurulum ortamı olarak, CD-ROM'u
özel kılan veya onu ayrıca değerlendirmemizi gerektirecek türde bir incelik
çoğu zaman yoktur.  Resmin bütününü daha iyi kavramanız için Apt-NASIL
belgesini okumanızı öneririm:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.tr.html

Bir diğer önereceğim kaynak da Debian CD-SSS:

http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/

[İngilizce sıkıntınız varsa bu belgenin çevirisini vakti olan bir
 arkadaştan isteyebiliriz.]

 1. bendeki iso-cd dosyasında, toplamda 23 CD görüntüsünün, bir bakıma
 indirip kurduğum ilk CD'nin de öyle, son degiştirilme/güncellenme tarihi
 ve büyüklüğü ile şu anki CD'lerin tarihleri ve büyüklüğü farklılık
 göstermekte.  Sözgelimi 10 gün önce indirdiğim ilk CD'ye ait büyüklük 626
 MB iken, aynı CD'nin şu anki büyüklüğü 618 MB görünmekte. İkinci CD'den
 başlayarak bundan sonra indireceğim diğer tüm CD'ler, elimdeki ilk CD'yle
 uyum gösterip yine bir bütünlük sağlar mı?

CD'lerde bulunan paketlerin bağımlılıklarına göre değişir, fakat 10 günlük
bir aralıkta ciddi bir bütünlük sorunu olmaması lazım.

 2. belirli bir sürüme ait contrib, non-free, non-us dedikleri  resmi
 olmayan depoların, bu depolardaki CD'lerin içeriği, aynı sürümün main
 denilen resmi deposunun, bu depodaki CD'lerin, içeriğini DE kapsar mı?

Sözünü ettiğiniz contrib ... ayrımı tam olarak CD'lere ilişkin bir ayrım
değil.  Aynı CD içerisinde (teknik olarak) pekalâ main, contrib ve non-free
olabilir (non-us Debian 3.1 öncesinde anlamlıydı).  Fakat non-free paketler
ilkesel olarak resmi Debian CD'lerine alınmaz (bunu kontrol etmeden
yazıyorum, benim bilgimin dışında bir politika değişikliği olmuşsa ayrı).

 Yoksa bu resmi olmayan CD'ler, şu veya bu sayıda, resmi CD'lerdekinlerden
 ayrık, paketlerden/yazılımlardan mı ibaret?

Non-free paketleri sunan bu tip resmi olmayan CD'lerin içeriği hakkında bir
fikrim yok maalesef.  Ama bu CD'leri oluşturan kişilerin resmi CD'lerde
bulunabilecek paketleri CD'ye dahil etmeyecekleri kuvvetle muhtemel.

 3. hep aynı sürüme ait bir CD serisinden bir ya da birkaçını http
 üzerinden, kalanlarını da bit torrent aracılığıyla indirirsem, yine
 bunlar bir bütünlük/ uyum gösterirler mi yoksa ilk CD'yi hangi ortamda
 indirdiysem (örneğin http), diğerlerini de aynı ortamdan mı
 indirmeliyim?

Pratikte bir sorun olmaz.  Ama bütün CD'leri, resmi Debian yansılarından ve
tek bir yerden indirmenizde yarar var.

 4. tek tek CD olarak değil de, toplamda 23 CD'nin içeriğindeki
 yazılımları/paketleri/programları kendimce indirgeyip, öylece indirip
 bunlardan CD görüntüleri oluşturabilir miyim? Örneğin oyunların
 içerildiği CD veya CD'leri bütünüyle indirmek veya hiç indirmemek yerine,
 belirli, diyelim ki tek bir oyunun indireceğim CD'lerden birinin
 içeriğine alabilir, böylelikle sadece o oyunu edinebilir miyim?

Debian kurulum programını içeren, önyüklenebilir ilk CD'ye özgü zorluklar
bir yana bu mümkün, fakat bence getirisine nispetle çok fazla uğraşı
gerektirir.

 5. debian türkçe sayfalarındaki kurulum rehberinin bir yerinde, kurulum
 sırasında eğer elde ikinci ve sonraki CD'ler varsa, bunlar da tek tek
 sürücüye takılıp -içerikleri- sisteme tanıtılmalıdır türünden bir ifade
 anımsıyorum; ancak elimdeki ilk CD'yle grafik arayüzünden kurulum
 yaptığımda, (hoş, elimde başka CD yoktu ama) sonraki/ikinci CD'yi, CD
 sürücüsüne takın türünden bir ifadeyle karşılaşmadım. Bunu kurulumun
 hangi aşamasında yapmam gerekli? Bundan başka, kinci ve sonraki CD'leri
 sisteme nasıl tanıtabilir, CD numaralarıyla (böyle numaralar var mı ki?)
 kaynak listesine (sources.list) nasıl ekleyebilirim?  Nasıl olduysa oldu,
 paket yöneticisindeki listede kurulu olsun veya olmasın tüm yazılımlar
 yeralsın diyelim, bense kurulu olmayan bir yazılımı işaretleyip kurmasını
 isteyeyim; bana şu (numaralı) CD gerekli, sürücüye tak der mi?

Evet der (diye hatırlıyorum, CD-ROM'dan tam kurulum yapmayalı _çok_ uzun
zaman oldu).  CD'leri kurulum sonrasında sisteme tanıtmak için komut
satırından apt-cdrom veya etkileşimli olarak apt-setup'ı kullanabilirsiniz.
Ayrıntılı bilgi Apt-NASIL belgesinde.

 6. şu an hala testing  olan  etchın yakın zamanda kararlı sürüme
 dönüşeceğini biliyorum. Eğer CD'leri testing halindeyken jigdo ile
 indirirsem, kararlı sürüme dönüştüğünde, ben de yine jigdo yardımıyla
 elimdeki CD 

Re: Debian-etch CD görüntüleri üzerine birkaç soru

[Necdet Ozgur]

Çok teşekkür ederim ilgi gösterip sorduklarımı yetesiye doyuruculukta
yanıtladığınız için. Özellikle verdiğiniz apt-cdrom komutu işime çok
yaradı.

Hep CD'lere dolanmış olmamın, bir bakıma kendi kendime işimi zorlaştırmış
görünmemin nedeni şu: salt Debian'ı tümüyle edinmek için, sınırlı internet
erişimimi bir aylığına en düşük hızdaki sınırsız tarifeye çevirdim. Buysa,
bir CD görüntüsünü ortalama olarak ancak 7 saatte, bir DVD görüntüsünü ise
yaklaşık 3.5 günde indirebileceğim demek. İşlemci ile diğer donanımların ısı
sorunları yüzünden DVD'ler için 3.5 gün süreyle kesintisiz bağlantıyı göze
alamadım. Bundan önce ellerindeki Debian DVD'lerinin birer kopyasını
göndereceklerini bildiren kimselerden de temin edemedim; bu nedenle
sözümdür: 23 CD'lik seti edinince, dileyene kopyalarını göndereceğim, bu
arada andığım o iki kişiye de...

Vaadle...

Necdet

On 12/26/06, Recai Oktas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Merhaba,

* Necdet Ozgur [2006-12-26 01:11:25+0200]
 Linux'a ve Debian'a oldukça yeniyim. Böyleyken önemsediğim birkaç
 nedenden ötürü Debian'da karar kıldım, bu amaçla yaklaşık 10 gün önce
 testing sürümüne ait ilk CD görüntüsünü ilgili adresten indirip
kurdum.
 Şimdi diğer CD görüntülerini de indirmek istiyorum; bu doğrultuda
 öğrenmek ve emin olmak istediğim noktalar:

Sorularınızın büyük bir kısmına cevap olabilecek bir bilgi
vereyim.  CD-ROM
ortamı paket kurulumu yapan üst seviye araçlar (apt-get, aptitude,
dselect,
synaptic vb.) tarafından tanınan ağ, sabit disk, disket, usb bellek çubuğu
gibi kurulum ortamlarından biridir sadece.  Yani bütünlük sağlar mı
şeklinde biten sorularınız bağlamında, bir kurulum ortamı olarak, CD-ROM'u
özel kılan veya onu ayrıca değerlendirmemizi gerektirecek türde bir
incelik
çoğu zaman yoktur.  Resmin bütününü daha iyi kavramanız için Apt-NASIL
belgesini okumanızı öneririm:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.tr.html

Bir diğer önereceğim kaynak da Debian CD-SSS:

http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/

[İngilizce sıkıntınız varsa bu belgenin çevirisini vakti olan bir
arkadaştan isteyebiliriz.]

 1. bendeki iso-cd dosyasında, toplamda 23 CD görüntüsünün, bir bakıma
 indirip kurduğum ilk CD'nin de öyle, son degiştirilme/güncellenme tarihi
 ve büyüklüğü ile şu anki CD'lerin tarihleri ve büyüklüğü farklılık
 göstermekte.  Sözgelimi 10 gün önce indirdiğim ilk CD'ye ait büyüklük
626
 MB iken, aynı CD'nin şu anki büyüklüğü 618 MB görünmekte. İkinci CD'den
 başlayarak bundan sonra indireceğim diğer tüm CD'ler, elimdeki ilk
CD'yle
 uyum gösterip yine bir bütünlük sağlar mı?

CD'lerde bulunan paketlerin bağımlılıklarına göre değişir, fakat 10 günlük
bir aralıkta ciddi bir bütünlük sorunu olmaması lazım.

 2. belirli bir sürüme ait contrib, non-free, non-us dedikleri  resmi
 olmayan depoların, bu depolardaki CD'lerin içeriği, aynı sürümün main
 denilen resmi deposunun, bu depodaki CD'lerin, içeriğini DE kapsar mı?

Sözünü ettiğiniz contrib ... ayrımı tam olarak CD'lere ilişkin bir ayrım
değil.  Aynı CD içerisinde (teknik olarak) pekalâ main, contrib ve
non-free
olabilir (non-us Debian 3.1 öncesinde anlamlıydı).  Fakat non-free
paketler
ilkesel olarak resmi Debian CD'lerine alınmaz (bunu kontrol etmeden
yazıyorum, benim bilgimin dışında bir politika değişikliği olmuşsa ayrı).

 Yoksa bu resmi olmayan CD'ler, şu veya bu sayıda, resmi
CD'lerdekinlerden
 ayrık, paketlerden/yazılımlardan mı ibaret?

Non-free paketleri sunan bu tip resmi olmayan CD'lerin içeriği hakkında
bir
fikrim yok maalesef.  Ama bu CD'leri oluşturan kişilerin resmi CD'lerde
bulunabilecek paketleri CD'ye dahil etmeyecekleri kuvvetle muhtemel.

 3. hep aynı sürüme ait bir CD serisinden bir ya da birkaçını http
 üzerinden, kalanlarını da bit torrent aracılığıyla indirirsem, yine
 bunlar bir bütünlük/ uyum gösterirler mi yoksa ilk CD'yi hangi ortamda
 indirdiysem (örneğin http), diğerlerini de aynı ortamdan mı
 indirmeliyim?

Pratikte bir sorun olmaz.  Ama bütün CD'leri, resmi Debian yansılarından
ve
tek bir yerden indirmenizde yarar var.

 4. tek tek CD olarak değil de, toplamda 23 CD'nin içeriğindeki
 yazılımları/paketleri/programları kendimce indirgeyip, öylece indirip
 bunlardan CD görüntüleri oluşturabilir miyim? Örneğin oyunların
 içerildiği CD veya CD'leri bütünüyle indirmek veya hiç indirmemek
yerine,
 belirli, diyelim ki tek bir oyunun indireceğim CD'lerden birinin
 içeriğine alabilir, böylelikle sadece o oyunu edinebilir miyim?

Debian kurulum programını içeren, önyüklenebilir ilk CD'ye özgü zorluklar
bir yana bu mümkün, fakat bence getirisine nispetle çok fazla uğraşı
gerektirir.

 5. debian türkçe sayfalarındaki kurulum rehberinin bir yerinde, kurulum
 sırasında eğer elde ikinci ve sonraki CD'ler varsa, bunlar da tek tek
 sürücüye takılıp -içerikleri- sisteme tanıtılmalıdır türünden bir ifade
 anımsıyorum; ancak elimdeki ilk CD'yle grafik arayüzünden kurulum
 yaptığımda, (hoş, elimde başka CD yoktu ama) sonraki/ikinci CD'yi, CD
 sürücüsüne takın türünden bir ifadeyle karşılaşmadım. Bunu kurulumun

Re: Debian-etch CD görüntüleri üzerin e birkaç soru

[tga]

debian sarge 3.1r3 offical i386 dvd'leri
izmir.
diğer sürüm ve/ya dağıtımları edinebilmek için, halihazırda çalıştığım  
devlet hastanesinin mesai saatleri dışında ping almayan bağlantısını iso  
edinme çabasındakiler için kullanabilirim.


cd'lerle ben de çok çile yaşamıştım ve amd64 işlemvili bilgisayarım için  
ia64'ün 1. dvd'sini hazırladıktan sonra debian'dan vazgeçmeye karar  
vermiştim. kısacası, anlıyorum.
izmir içi, elden teslim alabilir, diğerleri kargo masrafı ödeyecekler.  
elimdeki boş dvd-romlarım bittiğinde bir de bunun masrafını karşılaması  
gerekecek talepkarların.


msn şeyi: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e-posta: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

vaad...


Wed, 27 Dec 2006 02:24:08 +0200 tarihinde Necdet Ozgur  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] şöyle yazmış:



Çok teşekkür ederim ilgi gösterip sorduklarımı yetesiye doyuruculukta
yanıtladığınız için. Özellikle verdiğiniz apt-cdrom komutu işime çok
yaradı.

Hep CD'lere dolanmış olmamın, bir bakıma kendi kendime işimi zorlaştırmış
görünmemin nedeni şu: salt Debian'ı tümüyle edinmek için, sınırlı  
internet
erişimimi bir aylığına en düşük hızdaki sınırsız tarifeye çevirdim.  
Buysa,
bir CD görüntüsünü ortalama olarak ancak 7 saatte, bir DVD görüntüsünü  
ise
yaklaşık 3.5 günde indirebileceğim demek. İşlemci ile diğer donanımların  
ısı
sorunları yüzünden DVD'ler için 3.5 gün süreyle kesintisiz bağlantıyı  
göze

alamadım. Bundan önce ellerindeki Debian DVD'lerinin birer kopyasını
göndereceklerini bildiren kimselerden de temin edemedim; bu nedenle
sözümdür: 23 CD'lik seti edinince, dileyene kopyalarını göndereceğim, bu
arada andığım o iki kişiye de...

Vaadle...

Necdet

On 12/26/06, Recai Oktas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Merhaba,

* Necdet Ozgur [2006-12-26 01:11:25+0200]
 Linux'a ve Debian'a oldukça yeniyim. Böyleyken önemsediğim birkaç
 nedenden ötürü Debian'da karar kıldım, bu amaçla yaklaşık 10 gün önce
 testing sürümüne ait ilk CD görüntüsünü ilgili adresten indirip
kurdum.
 Şimdi diğer CD görüntülerini de indirmek istiyorum; bu doğrultuda
 öğrenmek ve emin olmak istediğim noktalar:

Sorularınızın büyük bir kısmına cevap olabilecek bir bilgi
vereyim.  CD-ROM
ortamı paket kurulumu yapan üst seviye araçlar (apt-get, aptitude,
dselect,
synaptic vb.) tarafından tanınan ağ, sabit disk, disket, usb bellek  
çubuğu

gibi kurulum ortamlarından biridir sadece.  Yani bütünlük sağlar mı
şeklinde biten sorularınız bağlamında, bir kurulum ortamı olarak,  
CD-ROM'u

özel kılan veya onu ayrıca değerlendirmemizi gerektirecek türde bir
incelik
çoğu zaman yoktur.  Resmin bütününü daha iyi kavramanız için Apt-NASIL
belgesini okumanızı öneririm:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.tr.html

Bir diğer önereceğim kaynak da Debian CD-SSS:

http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/

[İngilizce sıkıntınız varsa bu belgenin çevirisini vakti olan bir
arkadaştan isteyebiliriz.]

 1. bendeki iso-cd dosyasında, toplamda 23 CD görüntüsünün, bir  
bakıma
 indirip kurduğum ilk CD'nin de öyle, son degiştirilme/güncellenme  
tarihi

 ve büyüklüğü ile şu anki CD'lerin tarihleri ve büyüklüğü farklılık
 göstermekte.  Sözgelimi 10 gün önce indirdiğim ilk CD'ye ait büyüklük
626
 MB iken, aynı CD'nin şu anki büyüklüğü 618 MB görünmekte. İkinci  
CD'den

 başlayarak bundan sonra indireceğim diğer tüm CD'ler, elimdeki ilk
CD'yle
 uyum gösterip yine bir bütünlük sağlar mı?

CD'lerde bulunan paketlerin bağımlılıklarına göre değişir, fakat 10  
günlük

bir aralıkta ciddi bir bütünlük sorunu olmaması lazım.

 2. belirli bir sürüme ait contrib, non-free, non-us dedikleri  resmi
 olmayan depoların, bu depolardaki CD'lerin içeriği, aynı sürümün  
main

 denilen resmi deposunun, bu depodaki CD'lerin, içeriğini DE kapsar mı?

Sözünü ettiğiniz contrib ... ayrımı tam olarak CD'lere ilişkin bir  
ayrım

değil.  Aynı CD içerisinde (teknik olarak) pekalâ main, contrib ve
non-free
olabilir (non-us Debian 3.1 öncesinde anlamlıydı).  Fakat non-free
paketler
ilkesel olarak resmi Debian CD'lerine alınmaz (bunu kontrol etmeden
yazıyorum, benim bilgimin dışında bir politika değişikliği olmuşsa  
ayrı).


 Yoksa bu resmi olmayan CD'ler, şu veya bu sayıda, resmi
CD'lerdekinlerden
 ayrık, paketlerden/yazılımlardan mı ibaret?

Non-free paketleri sunan bu tip resmi olmayan CD'lerin içeriği hakkında
bir
fikrim yok maalesef.  Ama bu CD'leri oluşturan kişilerin resmi CD'lerde
bulunabilecek paketleri CD'ye dahil etmeyecekleri kuvvetle muhtemel.

 3. hep aynı sürüme ait bir CD serisinden bir ya da birkaçını http
 üzerinden, kalanlarını da bit torrent aracılığıyla indirirsem, yine
 bunlar bir bütünlük/ uyum gösterirler mi yoksa ilk CD'yi hangi ortamda
 indirdiysem (örneğin http), diğerlerini de aynı ortamdan mı
 indirmeliyim?

Pratikte bir sorun olmaz.  Ama bütün CD'leri, resmi Debian yansılarından
ve
tek bir yerden indirmenizde yarar var.

 4. tek tek CD olarak değil de, toplamda 23 CD'nin içeriğindeki
 yazılımları/paketleri/programları kendimce indirgeyip, öylece indirip
 bunlardan CD görüntüleri oluşturabilir miyim? Örneğin oyunların
 

RE: Debian LIVE CD

[Tony Heal]

I tried to get LiveCD working, but ran into too many problems, so I tried
bootcd. Bootcd is very simple. You simply create the server you want on an
actual computer and run bootcdwrite. It will create an iso file and place it
in /var/spool/bootcd. This iso can be used to burn a cd or used directly to
run a virtual machine (I used VMware)

There are several configuration bits that can be set, such as directories
that you do not really want as part of the iso. Once the cd has been created
it will boot to the same machine as it was created from. There is also a
package named bootcd-mkinitrd that will create a new initrd for you that
uses discover to find all the hardware at boot. Using this (I have not used
this yet, but plan to) the cd will have the ability to boot from almost any
other machine.

Good luck

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Yorke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:28 AM
To: Debian User
Subject: Debian LIVE CD

Hello all...
 
I am new to this group (just signed up today) but I am have two problems:
1. Creating a LIVE CD with Debian Testing
2. PXE/TFTP Boot server within a M$ DHCP Environment
 
I come from a M$ background (hey, had to get my start somewhere and it is
paying the bills) but frequent the *NIX environments but I am by no means as
comfortable with Debian as I am M$.  Unlike a lot of M$ and/or *NIX folks I
do swing both ways and know there is a time and place for each NOS.
Although each can act on their own without any problems as well.
 
So...with that said here is my dilemma.  I was tasked with creating a Live
CD for a company.  The requirements are here:
 
1. LIVECD (totally new for me but I love to learn)
2. No interaction with the Hard Disk (memory driven like Knoppix/Morphix)
Possibly diskless systems.
3. Auto-Login
4. Only TSClient or Rdesktop (which will auto launch on boot)
5. Custom Desktop images and layout
6. Ability to boot from a PXE enabled TFTP server
 
So what do I do...I HATE RED HAT LINUX and will not EVER use it again.  Not
since the licensing/pay-per came into play.  If I was to do only console
work I would do FreeBSD but I need GUI and lightweight with access to a good
repository.  Also, down the road there may be more architectures
involved...in walks, no, CRASHES, DEBIAN...I chose Debian for several
reasons but the main reasons are: many supported architectures, 10,000+
packages, ease of package management and IT IS NOT 'PAY HAT'.
 
Ok...let's start with the Debian build first.
 
:: Debian LIVECD ::
I have everything configured and it looks great...I have a base Debian
install, X, Fluxbox (custom menus, background, styles, etc), gdm, tsclient,
ETC...
 
First, I tried iBuild but when I try to build the system I keep getting
errors that files already exist...it is the 'proc' dir where the files
already exist and I can not delete this folder (How do I remove this
folder?).  Ok...give up on iBuild.
 
Second, I have been playing with the Morphix Tools...it builds an image but
when I look at the ISO that I build it is empty.  The size is about 130MB
but when you try to boot from it nothing happens and when I try to extract
it OR try to look in it using WinRAR nothing is there.
 
Does anyone know of a 'PROPER' guide that they can point me to for building
LIVECD's?  I do not even mind building it fully manually.  I love learing
new things and I think this would be a VERY valuble lesson to learn.  I
would even write up a step by step doc on how to do it if I had the info on
how to do it properly.  Like I said, I am new to the LIVE scene but am
liking it ALOT and have been to quite a few sites including the Debian LIVE
site.
 
Now the PXE/TFTP Boot stuff...
 
:: PXE/TFTP Boot ::
I currently have a M$ DHCP server.  Options 66  67 are set.
I have a Debian basic build with SYSLINUX and TFTP-HPA installed
Configured the TFTPBOOT stuff.
I can NetBOOT and get to the Boot: prompt but I can not type anything at the
prompt nor does it seem to pick up the initrd.gz nor the linux files which
are in the main TFTPBOOT folder, the only thing I can get to happen is
create a 'default' file in the pxelinux.cfg folder and one level up a
default.txt file which is the menu to show up.  It also seems like the
TIMEOUT option in the default file is not working.  It just waits about 5
minutes all the time and then reboots the box.  I have the default option as
LOCALBOOT but sometimes it doesn't even do that...it just fails.  I have
downloaded the netboot.tar.gz (I think) from the Debian website and
everything that is there is pretty much everything I have on my system.
Also, I can not get the F* keys to work within my default file.
 
Two questions I guess...Is there a problem with syslinux running on Debian?
Should I be using PXELinux instead of syslinux?
 
Any help on these topics would be great.  Suggestions are fine...I can
Google just a well as the next person.
 
I would like to have this completed by this weekend but I think that time is

Re: Debian LIVE CD

[Daniel Baumann]

Stephen Yorke wrote:
 Does anyone know of a 'PROPER' guide that they can point me to for building 
 LIVECD's?  I do not even mind building it fully manually.

http://live.debian.net/wiki/ISO_Howto

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Re: Debian LIVE CD

[Jan Dinger]

Daniel Baumann wrote:

Stephen Yorke wrote:
  

Does anyone know of a 'PROPER' guide that they can point me to for building 
LIVECD's?  I do not even mind building it fully manually.



http://live.debian.net/wiki/ISO_Howto

  
Thats nice, but how can i create a installer? Konppix have a nice on 
fly installer. I will install my own debian from live cd.



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Re: Debian LIVE CD

[Kent West]

Stephen Yorke wrote:

Hello all...
 
I am new to this group (just signed up today) but I am have two problems:

1. Creating a LIVE CD with Debian Testing
2. PXE/TFTP Boot server within a M$ DHCP Environment
I'm afraid I know next to nothing about either task, but if I were 
trying to tackle the first one, I think I'd start with a Knoppix CD and 
modify it to what I wanted. It's basically Debian under the hood. (Of 
course, you miss out on most of the learning that way, and it may turn 
out to be harder to customize Knoppix than it would be to build from 
scratch, but I wanted to at least mention the possibility.)


Sounds like you're having fun!

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Re: Debian LIVE CD

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Kent West wrote:

Stephen Yorke wrote:

Hello all...
 
I am new to this group (just signed up today) but I am have two problems:

1. Creating a LIVE CD with Debian Testing
2. PXE/TFTP Boot server within a M$ DHCP Environment
I'm afraid I know next to nothing about either task, but if I were 
trying to tackle the first one, I think I'd start with a Knoppix CD and 
modify it to what I wanted. It's basically Debian under the hood. (Of 
course, you miss out on most of the learning that way, and it may turn 
out to be harder to customize Knoppix than it would be to build from 
scratch, but I wanted to at least mention the possibility.)


Sounds like you're having fun!



Like Kent says, start with Knoppix. I did that a few years ago. They 
have a forum and one of the groups is just doing Knoppix CD changes:

http://www.knoppix.net/forum/
check out customizing and remastering.

Sorry about #2: I stay clear of anything having to do with M$.

H


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Re: Debian LIVE CD

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Stephen Yorke [EMAIL PROTECTED]  said:
 Hello all...
  
 I am new to this group (just signed up today) but I am have two
 problems: 1. Creating a LIVE CD with Debian Testing

[...]

Check out dfsbuild in the repositories.

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Re: Debian LIVE CD

[T]

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:28:08 -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote:

 1. Creating a LIVE CD with Debian Testing ...
  
 ... Debian LIVECD ...  Ok...give up on iBuild
  
 Second, I have been playing with the Morphix Tools... build it is empty... 

Others have suggested Knopsis  dfsbuild. 

I've been finding/watching/trying different LIVE CDs (preferable Debian
based) for a long time, and have tried all above. 

I've now stopped finding because I think I've found the best one so far --
grml. check out grml.org. It derived from Knopsis, but is now pure Debian
based. It's a live CD, but you can also get a working pure Debian system
on HD within minutes. I'm using Debian Testing now, which was its HD
installation.

check out the rest at my old post:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/249330




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Re: Debian LIVE CD

[Derek]

Havent tried it,but this might be what your looking for$ apt-cache show bootcdPackage: bootcdPriority: extraSection: utilsInstalled-Size: 224Maintainer: Bernd Schumacher 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Architecture: allVersion: 2.53Depends: mkisofs, cpio, fdutils, file, dosfstools, realpath, bootcd-i386 | bootcd-hppa | bootcd-ia64Recommends: cdrecordSuggests: ssh, bootcd-mkinitrd
Filename: pool/main/b/bootcd/bootcd_2.53_all.debSize: 53576MD5sum: 6bd1afd4993afbdc3a54534f565a3e14SHA1: 010fe8fdd32938c04faf8008b0879be0554119e7SHA256: 3e6a6c6461487a54f2f663759436a37a588a18e44722e79701c05b917173de0b
Description: run your system from cd without need for disksBuild an image of your running Debian System with the command bootcdwrite.You can also build a bootcd ISO image via NFS on a remote System.When you run your system from CD you do not need any disks. All
changes will be done in ram. To reuse this changes at next boot timeyou can save them on FLOPPY with the command bootcdflopcp. If bootingfrom your CD-drive is not supported, booting from FLOPPY is possible.
It is possible to install a new system from the running CD with thecommand bootcd2disk. Bootcd2disk can also find a target disk, formatit and make it bootable automatically. Bootcd also supports lilo,grub, initrd root fs, devfs, transparent-compression ISO 9660 fs and
syslinux/isolinux.On 9/6/06, T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:28:08 -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: 1. Creating a LIVE CD with Debian Testing ... ... Debian LIVECD ...Ok...give up on iBuild Second, I have been playing with the Morphix Tools... build it is empty...
Others have suggested Knopsis  dfsbuild.I've been finding/watching/trying different LIVE CDs (preferable Debianbased) for a long time, and have tried all above.I've now stopped finding because I think I've found the best one so far --
grml. check out grml.org. It derived from Knopsis, but is now pure Debianbased. It's a live CD, but you can also get a working pure Debian systemon HD within minutes. I'm using Debian Testing now, which was its HD
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Re: Debian - Live CD

[lars]

Hallo, Jan,


ich habe bereits live-cds meines debian-systems erstellt - neben  
diversen remasteringversuchen von knoppix und kanotix, die ich alle  
als sehr mühselig empfand, auch mit bootcd, was halbwegs gut klappt.


 die homepage dazu ist leider noch nicht ganz fertig, aber ich hab  
damals alle schritte dokumentiert -  wenn du fragen hast, kannst du  
mich ja mal direkt anmailen.




gruss



lars





Am 09.06.2006 um 09:13 schrieb Jan Dinger:


Danke für die Hilfe das werde ich einmal machen.

Wolf Wiegand wrote:

Hallo,

Dirk Finkeldey wrote:



Jan Dinger schrieb:


gibt von meinem Debian (installiert, konfiguriert mit Treiber  
etc.) eine Live CD zu erstellen? Habe dazu keine passende  
Software gefunden.




Die Beschreibung des Pakets bootcd klingt so, als ob das damit  
möglich

wäre.


Leß dir mal in Ruhe die Liste der verfügbaren Pakete durch, da  
wirst du fündig.




Das nenn ich mal einen super Vorschlag...

$ apt-cache search . | wc -l
15766

Wolf

Nhßreqrz urvßg rf 'Yvrf'




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Re: Debian - Live CD

[Jan Dinger]

Danke für die Hilfe das werde ich einmal machen.

Wolf Wiegand wrote:

Hallo,

Dirk Finkeldey wrote:

  

Jan Dinger schrieb:


gibt von meinem Debian (installiert, konfiguriert mit Treiber etc.) 
eine Live CD zu erstellen? Habe dazu keine passende Software gefunden.
  


Die Beschreibung des Pakets bootcd klingt so, als ob das damit möglich
wäre.

  
Leß dir mal in Ruhe die Liste der verfügbaren Pakete durch, da wirst du 
fündig.



Das nenn ich mal einen super Vorschlag...

$ apt-cache search . | wc -l
15766

Wolf

Nhßreqrz urvßg rf 'Yvrf'
  



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Re: Debian - Live CD

[Dirk Finkeldey]

Jan Dinger schrieb:


Hallo,
gibt von meinem Debian (installiert, konfiguriert mit Treiber etc.) 
eine Live CD zu erstellen? Habe dazu keine passende Software gefunden. 


Leß dir mal in Ruhe die Liste der verfügbaren Pakete durch, da wirst du 
fündig.


Oder hast du nicht alle DVDs / CDs einlesen laßen ?

wenn doch hilft aptitude.




Grund ist, das ich keine Rollback-Software nutzen möchte.

mfg

Jan


Mit freundlichen Grüßen Dirk Finkedley

Re: Debian - Live CD

[Wolf Wiegand]

Hallo,

Dirk Finkeldey wrote:

 Jan Dinger schrieb:
 
 gibt von meinem Debian (installiert, konfiguriert mit Treiber etc.) 
 eine Live CD zu erstellen? Habe dazu keine passende Software gefunden.

Die Beschreibung des Pakets bootcd klingt so, als ob das damit möglich
wäre.

 Leß dir mal in Ruhe die Liste der verfügbaren Pakete durch, da wirst du 
 fündig.

Das nenn ich mal einen super Vorschlag...

$ apt-cache search . | wc -l
15766

Wolf

Nhßreqrz urvßg rf 'Yvrf'
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Re: Debian - Live CD

[Kai Herlemann]

Jan Dinger schrieb:

Hallo,
gibt von meinem Debian (installiert, konfiguriert mit Treiber etc.) 
eine Live CD zu erstellen? Habe dazu keine passende Software gefunden.

http://www.linux-live.org/

Grund ist, das ich keine Rollback-Software nutzen möchte.

Oder möchtest du sowas nicht?

Gruß
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Re: Debian - Live CD

[Matthias Haegele]

Jan Dinger schrieb:

Hallo,
gibt von meinem Debian (installiert, konfiguriert mit Treiber etc.) eine 
Live CD zu erstellen? Habe dazu keine passende Software gefunden.


Grund ist, das ich keine Rollback-Software nutzen möchte.


Hmm. Wie wärs mit sowas in Knoppix-Art? afaik kann Knoppix auch 
remastern/eigene Versionen erstellen, sicherlich auch mit den Paketen 
die du benutzst? ...

Wie aufwändig das ist, k. A. nie gemacht ...


mfg

Jan


hth
MH

Re: debian testing cd si

[Selim T. Erdogan]

Hseyin ALKAN, 10.04.2006 tarihinde şöyle yazmış:
 
Ben simdi usb diske debian yükliyecegim. Fakat elimdeki baslangiç cd
si kararli sürüm.
 
Notebook lar için bi arkadas testing sürümünü yüklememi önderdi.
 
Testing sürümü icin baslangiç cd sini hangi siteden indirebilirim.
Direk bi link verebilirmisiniz ?

Ağ bağlantınız varsa önce kararlıdan kurup sonra test sürümüne 
yükseltebilirsiniz.  Daha kolay olur.


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Re: debian testing cd si

[Oguz Yarımtepe]

Pts 10 Nis 2006 19:45 tarihinde, Hüseyin ALKAN şunları yazmıştı: 
 Testing sürümü icin başlangıç cd sini hangi siteden indirebilirim. Direk bi
 link verebilirmisiniz ?

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso

RE: debian testing cd si

[Hüseyin ALKAN]

Oğuz arkadaşımıza teşekkür ediyorum .

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Pts 10 Nis 2006 19:45 tarihinde, Hüseyin ALKAN şunları yazmıştı: 
 Testing sürümü icin başlangıç cd sini hangi siteden indirebilirim. Direk
bi
 link verebilirmisiniz ?

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i
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Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[choufr]

Jan Kesten schrieb:

Tobias Krais wrote:



ich habe einen lteren Rechner der nicht von CD booten kann, wrde aber
gerne ein Debian draufspielen und dazu nicht unbedingt alle



Wenn er nicht allzu alt ist und eine Netzwerkkarte hat, die PXE oder
Netboot kann, ran ans Netz, Boot-Server aufsetzen und Installer bers
Netz laden - mache ich fast immerso und funktioniert (nur eben taugliche
Netzwerkkarte vorausgesetzt).

Cheers,
Jan



Du kannst auch SBM (Smart-Boot-Manager) benutzen. Hier der Link = 
http://btmgr.webframe.org/

Benutze ich bei jedem Rechner welcher kein booten von CD erlaubt.

Gruss Frank


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Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Jan Kesten]

Hallo, Tobias!

 leider ist das ein Rechner, der nur mit DSL verbunden ist. Aber
 eigentlich ist es eine gute Idee. Ich knnte mein Notebook als
 Bootserver nutzen und mitnehmen. Muss mich mal schlau machen, wie man
 einen Bootserver aufsetzt. Da google ich mal, wenn ich Zeit habe.

Schau einfach in debian-installer Handbuch, dort wird das beschrieben:

http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html

Ist halb so schlimm, wie man eigentlich denken mag, eine handvoll Pakete
installieren (dhcp3, atftpd und/oder bootpd) und sich dan den Installer
von einem Spiegelserver holen und das wars auch schon :-)

Gemogelt, man muss natrlich die Konfigurationen anpassen und die MAC
Adresse vom Client herausfinden :-)

Cheers,
Jan



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Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Peter Hoffmann]

Tobias Krais schrieb:
 Liebe Liste,
 
 ich habe einen älteren Rechner der nicht von CD booten kann, würde aber
 gerne ein Debian draufspielen und dazu nicht unbedingt alle
 base-Disketten erstellen, sondern für die Installation die CD benutzen.
 Gibt es eine Startdiskette für die Netinstall-CD? Oder könnt ihr mir
 eine andere Möglichkeit empfehlen?

Vielleicht hilft der Smart Boot Manager
 * http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
 * http://btmgr.webframe.org/index.php3?body=download.html

Damit konnte ich schon bei einigen Systemen von CD booten obwohl es
nicht vom Bios unterstützt wurde.

Gruss Peter


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Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Meinolf Sander]

* Tobias Krais schrieb:

 Gibt es eine Startdiskette für die Netinstall-CD?

Sieh Dir mal http://btmgr.sf.net an.


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Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[yellowbeart]

Am Montag, 13. Juni 2005 09:50 schrieb Tobias Krais:
 Liebe Liste,
Hallo Tobi,

 ich habe einen älteren Rechner der nicht von CD booten kann, würde aber
 gerne ein Debian draufspielen und dazu nicht unbedingt alle
 base-Disketten erstellen, sondern für die Installation die CD benutzen.
Für solche alten Maschinen habe ich einen Satz aus vier Disketten. Da sind 
alle Treiber für HD,CD und NET dabei. Danach kannst Du entweder auf deine CD 
zugreifen, oder gleich aus dem I-Netz den installer holen.

Die Floppy-Images gibt's hier:
http://archive.progeny.com/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/

Wie es geht, steht hier:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en


 Gibt es eine Startdiskette für die Netinstall-CD? Oder könnt ihr mir
 eine andere Möglichkeit empfehlen?

 Grüssle, Tobi
Tschüss, dirk

[SOLVED] Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Tobias Krais]

Hi Peter,


ich habe einen älteren Rechner der nicht von CD booten kann, würde aber
gerne ein Debian draufspielen und dazu nicht unbedingt alle
base-Disketten erstellen, sondern für die Installation die CD benutzen.
Gibt es eine Startdiskette für die Netinstall-CD? Oder könnt ihr mir
eine andere Möglichkeit empfehlen?


Vielleicht hilft der Smart Boot Manager
 * http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
 * http://btmgr.webframe.org/index.php3?body=download.html

Damit konnte ich schon bei einigen Systemen von CD booten obwohl es
nicht vom Bios unterstützt wurde.


ja, genau so was suche ich. Ich habe habe es an 2 PCs ausprobiert. Der 
eine bringt wenn ich von CD booten will immer einen Disk error! 0x01, 
beim anderen funktioniert es. Ich werde es mal zu Hause an dem anderen 
PC probieren. Wenns nicht geht muss ich halt die Base-Disketten nehmen.


Vielen Dank für den wertvollen Tipp!

Grüssle, Tobias


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Peter Hoffmann]

Tobias Krais schrieb:
 Hi Peter,
 
 ich habe einen älteren Rechner der nicht von CD booten kann, würde aber
 gerne ein Debian draufspielen und dazu nicht unbedingt alle
 base-Disketten erstellen, sondern für die Installation die CD benutzen.
 Gibt es eine Startdiskette für die Netinstall-CD? Oder könnt ihr mir
 eine andere Möglichkeit empfehlen?


 Vielleicht hilft der Smart Boot Manager
  * http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
  * http://btmgr.webframe.org/index.php3?body=download.html

 Damit konnte ich schon bei einigen Systemen von CD booten obwohl es
 nicht vom Bios unterstützt wurde.
 
 
 ja, genau so was suche ich. Ich habe habe es an 2 PCs ausprobiert. Der
 eine bringt wenn ich von CD booten will immer einen Disk error! 0x01,

Das passiert bei mir auch manchmal. Wenn ich dann aber Floppy und danach
nochmal CD-ROM auswähle klappte es (warum auch immer).

Gruss Peter


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Tobias Krais]

Hi Peter,


ja, genau so was suche ich. Ich habe habe es an 2 PCs ausprobiert. Der
eine bringt wenn ich von CD booten will immer einen Disk error! 0x01,


Das passiert bei mir auch manchmal. Wenn ich dann aber Floppy und danach
nochmal CD-ROM auswähle klappte es (warum auch immer).


Kann ich hier leider nicht bestätigen. Danke trotzdem für den Hinweis.

Grüssle, Tobias


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Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Jan Kesten]

Tobias Krais wrote:

 ich habe einen lteren Rechner der nicht von CD booten kann, wrde aber
 gerne ein Debian draufspielen und dazu nicht unbedingt alle

Wenn er nicht allzu alt ist und eine Netzwerkkarte hat, die PXE oder
Netboot kann, ran ans Netz, Boot-Server aufsetzen und Installer bers
Netz laden - mache ich fast immerso und funktioniert (nur eben taugliche
Netzwerkkarte vorausgesetzt).

Cheers,
Jan



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Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Tobias Krais]

Hi Jan,


ich habe einen lteren Rechner der nicht von CD booten kann, wrde aber
gerne ein Debian draufspielen und dazu nicht unbedingt alle


Wenn er nicht allzu alt ist und eine Netzwerkkarte hat, die PXE oder
Netboot kann, ran ans Netz, Boot-Server aufsetzen und Installer bers
Netz laden - mache ich fast immerso und funktioniert (nur eben taugliche
Netzwerkkarte vorausgesetzt).


leider ist das ein Rechner, der nur mit DSL verbunden ist. Aber 
eigentlich ist es eine gute Idee. Ich knnte mein Notebook als 
Bootserver nutzen und mitnehmen. Muss mich mal schlau machen, wie man 
einen Bootserver aufsetzt. Da google ich mal, wenn ich Zeit habe.


Grssle, Tobi


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Re: Debian von CD installieren wenn nicht von CD gebootet werden kann

[Wolf Wiegand]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:19:07AM +0200, Peter Hoffmann wrote:

  ich habe einen älteren Rechner der nicht von CD booten kann, würde aber
  gerne ein Debian draufspielen und dazu nicht unbedingt alle
  base-Disketten erstellen, sondern für die Installation die CD benutzen.
  Gibt es eine Startdiskette für die Netinstall-CD? Oder könnt ihr mir
  eine andere Möglichkeit empfehlen?
 
 Vielleicht hilft der Smart Boot Manager
 
Der ist übrigens auch auf den Debian-CDs zu finden (im /install-Verzeichnis).

Wolf
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Re: Debian Sarge CD installation query

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 12:54:59PM +0100, Simon Atkinson wrote:
 Hi
 
 I'm relatively new to Linux and in particular to the Debian
 distribution. I have read through the installtion manual for Sarge and
 see that for a (network-based) CD installation it is possible to use
 the following images: 
 
 debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso 
 debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso  
 
Yes.

 or
 
 the initial CD in the full CD set.
 
Yes.

The difference is that if you download the first full CD, there will be
a greater number of packages locally available to you.  It will likely
speed up the install for you, espcially if you have a poor internet
connectivity.

 My question is this:
 
 What are the images (located at
 /debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/cdrom) used
 for? 
 
 .. that is:
 
  boot.img
  debian-cd_info.tar.gz   
  initrd.gz   
  initrd.list 
  vmlinuz 
 
 Are these used to create a customized bootable CD to initiate the 
 installation process or are these files used in an installation process that 
 is analogous to one that makes use of the floppies?
 
 Can anyone please explain how they are used?
 
I believe the boot.img is the boot floppy image used on the CDs and can
also be dumped to a 3.5 floppy to make a bootable floppy.  The other
files can be grabbed by jigdo to make a CD.

-Roberto

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Re: debian live cd

[Still]

* Konnichiwa Adriano Brand-sama:
 Sei que existe um programa que joga todo o meu sistema em um live cd e 
 usar onde quiser.. alguém sabe me dizer onde acho isso?

Vc encontra em http://www.linux-live.org

[]'s,

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