Re: Remove Account

[Curt]

On 2016-09-22, Cindy-Sue Causey  wrote:

>> Brian wrote:
>>> How are you reading these replies?
>>
>> By mails forwarded from the subscribed address to the unsubscribed one.
>> I understand he cannot send mail from the subscribed address.
>



>
> THEN... in a case like this thread is seeming to say, the user would
> receive the then generated volatile security conscious unsubscribe
> link/URL because it was *forwarded* from "abc" to "xyz". One quick
> click moments later, and the unsubscribe action is completed...
>

That's what I thought too. Otherwise, a malicious person might
unsubscribe our finest poster. Easily done using the online form 

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe

in which you enter the subscribed email address at the bottom of the form.

In any case it was a lovely joke on the part of the OP (perhaps we're an
ongoing part of the joke, who knows) and now he can maybe look up all
the nuances of the word "backfire" in a nearby dictionary.

-- 
“It is enough that the arrows fit exactly in the wounds that they have made.”
Franz Kafka

Re: Remove Account

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 9/20/16, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
>
> Benjamin R. Zakarin wrote:
>> Therefore I implore of you to entirely scrub bzaka...@umich.edu from ALL
>> MAILING LISTS AND ANY REGISTRY.
>
> I don't know whether anybody listens here who has the power to do so.
>
> Did you already try the "Unsubscribe" button on
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
>
> with the bzaka...@umich.edu address in the "Your email address:" field ?
>
> I assume you will get a mail (forwarded to benjamin.zaka...@gmail.com)
> with hopefully a HTTP link for confirmation.
>
> If it works, then go to the mass unsubscription site
>   https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe
> and check all affected lists. The button is at the bottom.
>
>
> Brian wrote:
>> How are you reading these replies?
>
> By mails forwarded from the subscribed address to the unsubscribed one.
> I understand he cannot send mail from the subscribed address.


What you said above is somewhere in line with what hit my brain first.
Next thought I had was that some [listserv email programs] (sorry,
that's for lack of better terminology right now) some [listserv
email programs] are set up where you can do something like type "help"
as an email's body content addressed to a list's overlord admin email
address.

In computerized response, you receive back a sometimes phenomenally
sized email containing things like what you're signed up for and how
you can take certain actions regarding your participation in each
list.

Actions you might take would be things like come and go from digest
format... subscribe and unsubscribe.. take a vacation break from
receiving emails... those kinds of things.

SOME programs even let you subscribe and unsubscribe a secondary email
address that's different from the email you're using. The format would
be that email addy "x...@example.com" would send an email with the body
text reading "unsubscribe a...@example.com".

THEN... in a case like this thread is seeming to say, the user would
receive the then generated volatile security conscious unsubscribe
link/URL because it was *forwarded* from "abc" to "xyz". One quick
click moments later, and the unsubscribe action is completed...

IF... the user does have control over the "xyz" email account AND
IF the now mostly defunct "abc" account is really forwarding all
incoming emails to "xyz".

This feature really does exist somewhere out there, but I can't
remember which block of lists I was following that used it. Might have
even been something dotGov health oriented ten years ago. If something
like that doesn't exist here, it's a nice user friendly feature for
those moments like this thread. There were also a couple other neat
things about it that escape my brain this moment unfortunately but
that always intrigued when I remembered to play around with it.

Just thinking out loud.. :)

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Remove Account

[Kent West]

On Sep 21, 2016 4:30 AM, "Michael Lange"  wrote:

> .-.. .. ...- .   .-.. --- -. --.   .- -. -..   .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-.

I'm so rusty with my Morse, it took me a minute and some effort to decode
this. I always planned to get good at code. Maybe I will, if your alien
blessing works for me ;-)

-- 
Kent

Re: Remove Account

[Michael Lange]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:08:12 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

(...)
> Sadly that doesn't help with the OP's problem.  That requires access to
> the subscribed email address.  He no longer has access to the
> subscribed email address and everything is being forwarded to him so he
> wants to stop it..

Here I set up a "fake" account in my email client to handle mail from my
sourceforge account. So if sf forwards some email to me I can reply with
my usern...@users.sf.net address and to the receivers it will look as if
the reply was actually sent through a sf server (unless they look closely
at some of the usually "hidden" header lines). I guess the OP could do the
same for his umich.edu account.
I don't know though if gmail would deliver such an email with a "fake"
"from"-address, freenet.de obviously does and they are probably not
the only mail provider doing so.
I doubt that this will be necessary, though, since I believe the first
suggestion from Thomas Schmitt should do the trick.

Regards

Michael

.-.. .. ...- .   .-.. --- -. --.   .- -. -..   .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-.

Time is fluid ... like a river with currents, eddies, backwash.
-- Spock, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate
3134.0

Re: Remove Account

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 21 September 2016 08:29:09 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:30:57PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 20 Sep 2016 at 22:40:23 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > > Brian wrote:
> > > > But you said he would read list mail as follows:
> > >
> > > He said he _receives_ list mail. He did not say that he reads it.
> > >
> > > > Now he is mass deleting it!
> > >
> > > Potentially. An assumption as base for an in-advance workaround offer.
> > >
> > > He mentioned multiple debian lists.
> > > Nobody can read them all. I'd simply tell my mail fetcher to drop them.
> > > But that's only one of the possibilities.
> > >
> > > > Talk about having it both ways!
> > >
> > > Information technology has to cope with this. Futile to complain.
> >
> > Indeed. The ball is in the OP's court. He is aware of responses to his
> > request. If he intent on getting help he has routes to follow.
> >
> > --
> > Brian.
>
> It's a bot that handles requests to join the list.
>
> debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
>
> with a subject of
>
> subscribe
>
> for example and
>
> unsubscribe
>
> Note the capitalisation.
>
> AndyC

Sadly that doesn't help with the OP's problem.  That requires access to the 
subscribed email address.  He no longer has access to the subscribed email 
address and everything is being forwarded to him so he wants to stop it..

Lisi

Re: Remove Account

[Curt]

On 2016-09-21, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:
>
> It's a bot that handles requests to join the list. 
>
> debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
>
> with a subject of 
>
> subscribe 
>
> for example and
>
> unsubscribe
>
> Note the capitalisation.
>
> AndyC
>

I learned something here because I had thought email addresses were case
insensitive, but apparently while that is true for the domain name part,
it isn't necessarily true for the local-part (it is server
dependent).

-- 
“It is enough that the arrows fit exactly in the wounds that they have made.”
Franz Kafka

Re: Remove Account

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:30:57PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 20 Sep 2016 at 22:40:23 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> 
> > Brian wrote:
> > > But you said he would read list mail as follows:
> > 
> > He said he _receives_ list mail. He did not say that he reads it.
> > 
> > > Now he is mass deleting it!
> > 
> > Potentially. An assumption as base for an in-advance workaround offer.
> > 
> > He mentioned multiple debian lists.
> > Nobody can read them all. I'd simply tell my mail fetcher to drop them.
> > But that's only one of the possibilities.
> > 
> > > Talk about having it both ways!
> > 
> > Information technology has to cope with this. Futile to complain.
> 
> Indeed. The ball is in the OP's court. He is aware of responses to his
> request. If he intent on getting help he has routes to follow.
> 
> -- 
> Brian.

It's a bot that handles requests to join the list. 

debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 

with a subject of 

subscribe 

for example and

unsubscribe

Note the capitalisation.

AndyC

Re: Remove Account

[Brian]

On Tue 20 Sep 2016 at 22:40:23 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> > But you said he would read list mail as follows:
> 
> He said he _receives_ list mail. He did not say that he reads it.
> 
> > Now he is mass deleting it!
> 
> Potentially. An assumption as base for an in-advance workaround offer.
> 
> He mentioned multiple debian lists.
> Nobody can read them all. I'd simply tell my mail fetcher to drop them.
> But that's only one of the possibilities.
> 
> > Talk about having it both ways!
> 
> Information technology has to cope with this. Futile to complain.

Indeed. The ball is in the OP's court. He is aware of responses to his
request. If he intent on getting help he has routes to follow.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Remove Account

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Brian wrote:
> But you said he would read list mail as follows:

He said he _receives_ list mail. He did not say that he reads it.

> Now he is mass deleting it!

Potentially. An assumption as base for an in-advance workaround offer.

He mentioned multiple debian lists.
Nobody can read them all. I'd simply tell my mail fetcher to drop them.
But that's only one of the possibilities.


> Talk about having it both ways!

Information technology has to cope with this. Futile to complain.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Remove Account

[Brian]

On Tue 20 Sep 2016 at 21:22:02 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> > But he can reply to either of our mails.
> 
> Yeah. But i expect that the automat at debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

debian-user-request has nothing to do with it. He can reply to -user in
the same way he sent his first mail, -user is a subscription-free list.

> will insist in getting the unsubscription from the subscribed mail and
> not from some potential imposter.
> A HTTP link with lenghty id string would nicely break up this circle. 
> Who gets the confirmation request is entitled to confirm. Very consistent.
> 
> Well, let's see what Benjamin's attempts to unsubscribe yield as reply.
> (Crossing fingers.)

Let's see whether he has the courtesy to reply here. After all, it isn't
as though he is unaware his mail got here and there are responses to it.
Maybe he wants instant gratification without involvement.

> > I needn't have sent a  Cc:.
> 
> Maybe it helps with thread display on his mail client.
> Possibly he mass deletes all debian-user mails.

But you said he would read list mail as follows:

 By mails forwarded from the subscribed address to the
 unsubscribed one.

Now he is mass deleting it!

Talk about having it both ways! First he can read the mails, then he
possibly cannot.

What price a Cc:?

-- 
Brian.

Re: Remove Account

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i looked at the confirmation request from my subscription here, a year ago.
The hope for a HTTP link dwindles. But there is the advise to send a mail

  To:  debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
  Subject: unsubscribe bzaka...@umich.edu

If this does not help, then send your problem report to

  listmas...@lists.debian.org

My confirmation request mail has this statement:
  If you are unable to subscribe to our lists through this mechanism,
  please contact us at listmas...@lists.debian.org
Probably yours will have a similar one about unsubscription.

Be invited to ask here for help with interpreting the confirmation
request mail.


Brian wrote:
> But he can reply to either of our mails.

Yeah. But i expect that the automat at debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
will insist in getting the unsubscription from the subscribed mail and
not from some potential imposter.
A HTTP link with lenghty id string would nicely break up this circle. 
Who gets the confirmation request is entitled to confirm. Very consistent.

Well, let's see what Benjamin's attempts to unsubscribe yield as reply.
(Crossing fingers.)

> I needn't have sent a  Cc:.

Maybe it helps with thread display on his mail client.
Possibly he mass deletes all debian-user mails.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Remove Account

[Brian]

On Tue 20 Sep 2016 at 20:41:45 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> > How are you reading these replies?
> 
> By mails forwarded from the subscribed address to the unsubscribed one.

That's a good point. If he is receiving all -user amils I needn't have
sent a  Cc:. Damn.

> I understand he cannot send mail from the subscribed address.

But he can reply to either of our mails. His first mail demonstrates
that.

Re: Remove Account

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Benjamin R. Zakarin wrote:
> Therefore I implore of you to entirely scrub bzaka...@umich.edu from ALL
> MAILING LISTS AND ANY REGISTRY.

I don't know whether anybody listens here who has the power to do so.

Did you already try the "Unsubscribe" button on

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

with the bzaka...@umich.edu address in the "Your email address:" field ?

I assume you will get a mail (forwarded to benjamin.zaka...@gmail.com)
with hopefully a HTTP link for confirmation.

If it works, then go to the mass unsubscription site
  https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe
and check all affected lists. The button is at the bottom.


Brian wrote:
> How are you reading these replies?

By mails forwarded from the subscribed address to the unsubscribed one.
I understand he cannot send mail from the subscribed address.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Remove Account

[Brian]

On Tue 20 Sep 2016 at 12:17:53 -0400, Benjamin R. Zakarin wrote:

> Attention:
> 
> I have been trying to do this for years with NO HELP. I was signed up
> for every Debian mailing list in college as a joke (floods your inbox)
> and I cannot get rid of all of the subscriptions/emails. 
> 
> The issue is, as it was a college account, I no longer have access to
> it. The mail sent to that account, however, is forwarded to my current
> personal account. 
> 
> Therefore I implore of you to entirely scrub bzaka...@umich.edu from
> ALL MAILING LISTS AND ANY REGISTRY.  I am the person associated with
> this account; it just is a forwarding account at this point and I
> cannot access it.

This mail is sent as a Cc: to you. It is the last time I will do this.

There will be replies to your first mail, quoted above. How are you
reading these replies?

That is the only thing you have to answer. No extra input is required.

-- 
Brian.