Re: xaralx package

2016-09-18 Thread Frank 

Op 18-09-16 om 16:16 schreef Michael Fothergill:

I tried using gdebi to install xaralx deb file.  The error I get seems
to suggest I need a newer version of the libjpeg package than I
currently have..

See here:​

root@rhinoceros:/home/mikef/Documents/xaralx# gdebi
xaralx_0.7r1785-7_amd64.deb
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Building data structures... Done
Building data structures... Done
This package is uninstallable
Dependency is not satisfiable: libjpeg8 (>= 8c)

​I am a bit puzzled here  If this version of xaralx was abandoned in
2014 surely gdebi would be asking me to install older versions of
dependent packages rather then bang up to date ones?​


The libjpeg8 package has been in and out of Testing several times since 
early 2015. It was removed just before Jessie went stable, so it ended 
up missing: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libjpeg8


My current Testing setup started years ago, so the last/latest version 
of that package (8d1-2) is still installed. It doesn't cause any 
problems here. I'm not sure exactly why it was removed from Testing (no 
time to investigate at present - sorry), but it could have something to 
do with libjpeg/libjpeg-turbo conflicts.


You could pick it up from the snapshot archive as well and try to 
install it manually 
(http://snapshot.debian.org/package/libjpeg8/8d1-2/#libjpeg8_8d1-2). 
Don't proceed if doing that causes lots of other packages to be removed, 
though.


Regards,
Frank

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-18 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 15 September 2016 at 19:23, Michael Fothergill <
michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 15 Sep 2016 19:08, "Frank"  wrote:
> >
> > Op 15-09-16 om 19:32 schreef Michael Fothergill:
> >>
> >> On 15 Sep 2016 18:17, "Frank"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That's 'only' from March 2014. Haven't tried working with it, though.
> >>> So no idea if you can use it on current Debian (it does install and
> open
> >>> on this Testing box).
> >>
> >>
> >> So does that mean that I could do
> >>
> >> dpkg - i on the three deb files you found there and xaraxl might
> >> actually run after all..
> >> ???
> >
> >
> > In theory. Actually, I used GDebi to install. That takes care of any
> dependencies your system might not have yet.
>


> So if I copied the deb files into a directory   I could then run gdebi and
> it would sniff out e.g. the executable and library files and do its best to
> add on the correct dependencies etc..
>
> ?
>
> I will have a go.
>
> Regds
>
> MF
> .
>
> >
> > And of course, the fact it runs/opens initially doesn't mean it won't
> crash at a later stage. I believe there were some issues with the newer
> version of one of its dependencies.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Frank
>
> ​Dear All,

I tried using gdebi to install xaralx deb file.  The error I get seems to
suggest I need a newer version of the libjpeg package than I currently
have..

See here:​


root@rhinoceros:/home/mikef/Documents/xaralx# gdebi
xaralx_0.7r1785-7_amd64.deb
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Building data structures... Done
Building data structures... Done
This package is uninstallable
Dependency is not satisfiable: libjpeg8 (>= 8c)


​I am a bit puzzled here  If this version of xaralx was abandoned in
2014 surely gdebi would be asking me to install older versions of dependent
packages rather then bang up to date ones?​


​I am running Debian Jessie (amd64 version on a Kaveri box).

Comments appreciated.

Regards

MF

​

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Frank 

Op 15-09-16 om 19:32 schreef Michael Fothergill:

On 15 Sep 2016 18:17, "Frank"  wrote:

That's 'only' from March 2014. Haven't tried working with it, though.
So no idea if you can use it on current Debian (it does install and open
on this Testing box).


So does that mean that I could do

dpkg - i on the three deb files you found there and xaraxl might
actually run after all..
???


In theory. Actually, I used GDebi to install. That takes care of any 
dependencies your system might not have yet.


And of course, the fact it runs/opens initially doesn't mean it won't 
crash at a later stage. I believe there were some issues with the newer 
version of one of its dependencies.


Regards,
Frank

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 15 Sep 2016 18:17, "Frank"  wrote:
>
> Op 15-09-16 om 18:11 schreef Greg Wooledge:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 05:03:23PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>>>
>>> ???http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html???
>>
>>
>>   "The binaries we distribute require libstdc++ version 5, which is not
>>   installed as standard on some modern distributions (for example Ubuntu
>>   5.10)."
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_
5.10_.28Breezy_Badger.29
>>
>>   "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), released on 12 October 2005"
>>
>> "Modern", they say.  Heh.
>>
>> If you can *get* it to compile at all, that seems like the best path.
>> APIs may have changed, especially with C++.
>
>
> Look at the update date on that page... Ten years ago, 2005 *was*
'modern' (LOL).
>
> Wow... Xara, or rather Computer Concepts. I remember them from when they
were still primarily writing for RISC OS... Oh dear...
>
> http://www.xara.com/us/history/
>
>
> But wouldn't looking at the last version in Debian's snapshot archive
make more sense?
>
> http://snapshot.debian.org/package/xaralx/0.7r1785-7/
>
> That's 'only' from March 2014. Haven't tried working with it, though. So
no idea if you can use it on current Debian (it does install and open on
this Testing box).

So does that mean that I could do

dpkg - i on the three deb files you found there and xaraxl might actually
run after all..
???

Regds

MF


>
> Regards,
> Frank
>

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Frank 

Op 15-09-16 om 18:11 schreef Greg Wooledge:

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 05:03:23PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:

???http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html???


  "The binaries we distribute require libstdc++ version 5, which is not
  installed as standard on some modern distributions (for example Ubuntu
  5.10)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_5.10_.28Breezy_Badger.29

  "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), released on 12 October 2005"

"Modern", they say.  Heh.

If you can *get* it to compile at all, that seems like the best path.
APIs may have changed, especially with C++.


Look at the update date on that page... Ten years ago, 2005 *was* 
'modern' (LOL).


Wow... Xara, or rather Computer Concepts. I remember them from when they 
were still primarily writing for RISC OS... Oh dear...


http://www.xara.com/us/history/


But wouldn't looking at the last version in Debian's snapshot archive 
make more sense?


http://snapshot.debian.org/package/xaralx/0.7r1785-7/

That's 'only' from March 2014. Haven't tried working with it, though. So 
no idea if you can use it on current Debian (it does install and open on 
this Testing box).


Regards,
Frank

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Thomas Schmitt 
Hi,

> Michael Fothergill wrote:
> The download page says that the binary should run on a 64 bit machine in
> what it calls compatability mode.
> http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html

So the binaries are ready for ten year old Ubuntu.
This increases the chances for 32 bit multi-arch.
I guess the step "Create a script to launch 32 bit applications" will
need some adaption.


> If I would want to run it natively in 64 bit mode I would have to compile
> it.
> But maybe it is so old that it would not be a good idea

I'd give it a try if the source can still be found somewhere.
  http://www.xaraxtreme.org/developers/subversion-access-instructions.html
prescribes a test which fails:

  $ telnet svn.xara.com 3690
  Trying 194.143.183.7...
  telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host

So one would first need to find a repository or tarball with the source.
Then begins the struggle with the dependencies.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 15 September 2016 at 17:11, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 05:03:23PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > ???http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html???
>
>   "The binaries we distribute require libstdc++ version 5, which is not
>   installed as standard on some modern distributions (for example Ubuntu
>   5.10)."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_
> 5.10_.28Breezy_Badger.29
>
>   "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), released on 12 October 2005"
>
> "Modern", they say.  Heh.
>
> If you can *get* it to compile at all, that seems like the best path.
> APIs may have changed, especially with C++.
>

​BTW, while I was looking at this, I discovered that the GIMP program can
do pretty good 3D text effects.

I found a video on youtube giving a tutorial on this which seemed pretty
good...

There are a number of 3D modelling packages like Art of Illusion and
Blender that can also model 3D text as well.

Since I want stills, or a snapshot of a 3D image for my document then the
GIMP seems a reasonable choice.

I suppose a screen dump or 2D projection of a 3D model made in AOI or
Blender would work OK in a standard Libreoffice document with a bit of cut
and paste editing etc.

Perhaps you would use different tools.

Sample 3D text images from xaraxl I found looked impressive but I think the
package is too old so it's not really practical.

Many thanks to everyone.

Regards

Michael Fothergill








​

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Greg Wooledge 
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 05:03:23PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> ???http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html???

  "The binaries we distribute require libstdc++ version 5, which is not
  installed as standard on some modern distributions (for example Ubuntu
  5.10)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Ubuntu_5.10_.28Breezy_Badger.29

  "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), released on 12 October 2005"

"Modern", they say.  Heh.

If you can *get* it to compile at all, that seems like the best path.
APIs may have changed, especially with C++.

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 15 September 2016 at 16:48, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > $ file xaralx
> > xaralx: ELF 32-bit ... dynamically linked ... for GNU/Linux 2.2.5,
>
> That's really old.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Timeline
>
> > $ ldd xaralx
> > not a dynamic executable
>
> Probably just too old dynamics to be recognizable nowadays.
>

​Many thanks to everyone who has helped here...​

​The download page says that the binary should run on a 64 bit machine in
what it calls compatability mode.

If I would want to run it natively in 64 bit mode I would have to compile
it.

But maybe it is so old that it would not be a good idea..
​


​http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html​





>
> The command sytax for ldd is ok. A freshly compiled binary of mine
> nicely reports its dynamic libraries when inquired that way.
>

​Did you compile it natively in 64 bit?​


>
> (hopping back in thread)
> > /home/mikef/Documents/xaralx/bin/xaralx (No such file or directory)
>
> This did not happen to me since about 1999. Iirc the error message shall
> tell that the binary cannot find one or more of its dynamic libraries.
> Back then it was an indication that the binary needed to be freshly
> compiled from source.
>
> ​This makes sense.​


>
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
>
> I would be glad if my expectation would be disappointed that the
> 32 bit libraries are much too young for the medieval binary.
>
>
​So would Charles Babbage I guess

Regards and thanks


Michael Fothergill

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Thomas Schmitt 
Hi,

Michael Fothergill wrote:
> $ file xaralx
> xaralx: ELF 32-bit ... dynamically linked ... for GNU/Linux 2.2.5,

That's really old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Timeline

> $ ldd xaralx
> not a dynamic executable

Probably just too old dynamics to be recognizable nowadays.

The command sytax for ldd is ok. A freshly compiled binary of mine
nicely reports its dynamic libraries when inquired that way.

(hopping back in thread)
> /home/mikef/Documents/xaralx/bin/xaralx (No such file or directory)

This did not happen to me since about 1999. Iirc the error message shall
tell that the binary cannot find one or more of its dynamic libraries.
Back then it was an indication that the binary needed to be freshly
compiled from source.


Greg Wooledge wrote:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

I would be glad if my expectation would be disappointed that the
32 bit libraries are much too young for the medieval binary.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Greg Wooledge 
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:13:27PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ldd "$(which xaralx)"
> ldd: ./: not regular file

Sorry.  I didn't realize you were cd'ing into the directory where
the file was, and that this directory was not in your $PATH at all.

Based on your other response, it looks like you might be trying to run
an i386 (32-bit) program on an amd64 (64-bit) installation.  If that's
the case, you need to set up multiarch support:

https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 15 September 2016 at 15:54, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:51:28PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> > $ ldd xaralx
>
> ldd actually needs a path to the executable.  It doesn't search $PATH.
>
> $ ldd "$(which xaralx)"
>



>
> would be one way to do it.
>

​I did it​


​Result:​



mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ldd "$(which xaralx)"
ldd: ./: not regular file

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 15 September 2016 at 15:51, Dominique Dumont  wrote:

> On Thursday, 15 September 2016 14:24:37 CEST Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > What I am I doing wrong here?
>
> Could you run:
>
> $ file xaralx
>

​Result:


mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ pwd
/home/mikef/Documents/xaralx/bin
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ file xaralx
xaralx: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.2.5,
not stripped
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$

​


>
> and
>
> $ ldd xaralx
>

​Result:​


mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ldd xaralx
not a dynamic executable
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$


​Regards

MF​




>
> All the best
> --
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> http://ddumont.wordpress.com/  -o-   irc: dod at irc.debian.org
>
>

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Greg Wooledge 
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 04:51:28PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> $ ldd xaralx

ldd actually needs a path to the executable.  It doesn't search $PATH.

$ ldd "$(which xaralx)"

would be one way to do it.

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Dominique Dumont 
On Thursday, 15 September 2016 14:24:37 CEST Michael Fothergill wrote:
> What I am I doing wrong here?

Could you run:

$ file xaralx

and

$ ldd xaralx

All the best
-- 
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http://ddumont.wordpress.com/  -o-   irc: dod at irc.debian.org

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 15 September 2016 at 11:34, Michael Fothergill <
michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 15 September 2016 at 10:59, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My suggestion would be install apt-file, either using aptitude or
>> apt-get or synaptic if you prefer.
>>
>> Then as root:
>> apt-file update
>>
>> Once that is done, you can do apt-file search libpangoxft and see what
>> package, if any, in Debian contains it. Then install that package. Or
>> create a dummy package that depends on it and install that, so the library
>> will get removed again if you don't need it later and not clutter your
>> system up.
>>
>
> ​Many thanks for the help here!​
>
>
> ​I did this and it was the ​
>
> ​
> ​
> ibpangoxft-1.0
> ​-dev package that needed to be installed - but this time when I installed
> it using aptitude it worked.
>
> ​But when I tried to run xaralx I got the following error:​
>
> ​
> michaelmikef@rhubarb:~/Documents/CPI/xaralx/xaralx/bin$ ./xaralx
> ./xaralx: error while loading shared libraries: l
> ​​
> ibpangoxft-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> directory
>
> ​Regards
>
> MF​
>

​Dear All,

I tried installing xaralx on another machine I have running Debian Jessie
cf stretch above.

the tar file seemed to extract properly and I can see the executable:

mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx$ ls
bin  mime-storage  share  xaralx.desktop  xaralxHelp.tar.gz  xaralx.png
 xaralx.xml
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx$ cd bin
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ls
xaralx  xarasvgfilter  xarasvgfilterui
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$ ls -l
total 33652
-rwxr-xr-x 1 mikef mikef 24330484 Aug 10  2006 xaralx
-rwxr-xr-x 1 mikef mikef  6453151 Aug 10  2006 xarasvgfilter
-rwxr-xr-x 1 mikef mikef  3669331 Aug 10  2006 xarasvgfilterui
mikef@rhinoceros:~/Documents/xaralx/bin$

looks encouraging...

But

​
​when I try to run the executable the error I get is:

failed to execute ​child process

/home/mikef/Documents/xaralx/bin/xaralx (No such file or directory)

But the directory and file do exist...


​What I am I doing wrong here?

Regards

MF​




>
> ​
>
>
>>
>> If the package you need turns out to be the one you already tried, we
>> will need to know the exact errors you are getting to help further.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 15 September 2016 at 10:59, Mark Fletcher  wrote:

>
>
>>
>> My suggestion would be install apt-file, either using aptitude or apt-get
> or synaptic if you prefer.
>
> Then as root:
> apt-file update
>
> Once that is done, you can do apt-file search libpangoxft and see what
> package, if any, in Debian contains it. Then install that package. Or
> create a dummy package that depends on it and install that, so the library
> will get removed again if you don't need it later and not clutter your
> system up.
>

​Many thanks for the help here!​


​I did this and it was the ​

​
​
ibpangoxft-1.0
​-dev package that needed to be installed - but this time when I installed
it using aptitude it worked.

​But when I tried to run xaralx I got the following error:​

​
michaelmikef@rhubarb:~/Documents/CPI/xaralx/xaralx/bin$ ./xaralx
./xaralx: error while loading shared libraries: l
​​
ibpangoxft-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory

​Regards

MF​

​


>
> If the package you need turns out to be the one you already tried, we will
> need to know the exact errors you are getting to help further.
>
> Mark
>

Re: xaralx package

2016-09-15 Thread Mark Fletcher 
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 at 16:09, Michael Fothergill <
michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Dear Folks,
>
> There used to be a xaralx package for debian but it has been discontinued.
>
> I tried installing the tar file from the xara extreme web site but got an
> error about libpangoxft-1.0 not being present etc.
>
> I tried installing libpango dev but synaptic said some packages were
> missing and it failed.
>
> But maybe it wouldn't have helped any way..
>
> I want to produce some 3D text images for a document.
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Fothergill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My suggestion would be install apt-file, either using aptitude or apt-get
or synaptic if you prefer.

Then as root:
apt-file update

Once that is done, you can do apt-file search libpangoxft and see what
package, if any, in Debian contains it. Then install that package. Or
create a dummy package that depends on it and install that, so the library
will get removed again if you don't need it later and not clutter your
system up.

If the package you need turns out to be the one you already tried, we will
need to know the exact errors you are getting to help further.

Mark