[Denemo-devel] [bug #53606] d-DirectivePut-note-minpixels space is not evenly distributed

[Richard Shann]

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 Summary: d-DirectivePut-note-minpixels space is not evenly
distributed
 Project: Denemo
Submitted by: rshann
Submitted on: Tue 10 Apr 2018 07:42:13 PM UTC
Category: None
Severity: 3 - Normal
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Details:

It seems it is added *after* the note. It should surround it I guess. How does
the chord one behave?




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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 14:59 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> > > How do I remove the scheme script that I have saved? 
> > 
> > Ctrl-A, Ctrl-X will delete all the Scheme script in the Scheme
> > window.
> 
> I can delete the what is in the scheme window
> > .
> > >   Is this a separate file just for the user? 
> > 
> > It is not in a file it's on the screen. 
> 
> I save each one I interred and I do not want to confuse things so I
> want to clear the saved scheme scraped? Do not want the correct
> script to be confused with tie old.

There is something here that has confused people before, I should
perhaps put a warning in the Scheme window itself. 

You can use File->Save if you want to keep a copy of some Scheme script
you have created for your own purposes but that's not the usual thing
you want to do. Instead you want to store it as the script for a
palette button or for a menu command or even store it when saving a
Score so that it will be executed every time you open that score. 

To save it as a script for some command you right click on the palette
button or menu item and use the menu you get to store whatever script
is currently in the Scheme window as the script to be executed when you
click that button/menuitem.

 You can store it in several places if need be, or store it under one
button, modify it and store it under another button.

HTH

Richard



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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Freeman Gilmore]

​

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Richard Shann 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 11:31 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> > Buttons, 3 things:
> >
> > How do I remove the scheme script that I have saved?
>
> Ctrl-A, Ctrl-X will delete all the Scheme script in the Scheme window.
>

​I can delete the ​what is in the scheme window

> ​.​
>
> >   Is this a separate file just for the user?
>
> It is not in a file it's on the screen.
> ​
>
​I save each one I interred and I do not want to confuse things so I want
to clear the *saved* scheme scraped?​​

​Do not want the correct script to be confused with tie old.​


>
>
>
> >I did find a scheme file but did not see the script that I
> > saved.   Having some problems, all my buttons print the same thing
> > “k”.
>
> You have saved them all with the same line:
>
​looks like yes and no​


>
>
> ​​
> (d-DirectivePut-note-postfix tag "k")
>
​yes​


>
> instead save them with
>
​yes​


>
>  (d-DirectivePut-note-postfix tag "b")
>
> and so on for all the others. You would want to change the line
>
> (d- DirectivePut-note-graphic tag "accidentals.sharp.
> slashslashslash.stem")
>


> otherwise they will all display the same glyph in the Denemo Display
> (they will typeset correctly because the LilyPond output is changed to
> "b" etc).
>

​​yes for all.  Where do I get the names for the tag?​
​That is where I went wrong, I used the sane line for all.  They are not
in the Lilypond table for Turkish.  This is what is in the table for -k =
kucuk mucenneb
​.   O I just saw on a paper that I copied from the notation book, (same
book I got the Turkish table) table labeled Accidental glyphs, has the same
name you used.  Looks like this should work I will give it a try.   If I
did the whole table were would I get the remaining  syntax to that is past
to Lilypond (like the "k" in line ​(d-DirectivePut-note-postfix tag "k")?
They may be scattered in the example I will check..

With the names I can make the buttons 0k. I would like to put the
​​glyph on the buttons next.

Thank you, ƒ

HTH
>
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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 17:58 +0100, Richard Shann wrote:
> There is no simple Scheme command to move the notes around in the
> display, you can use Measures->Display Effects->Widen Measures to
> widen
> (all) the measures which will stop smaller notes crashing into the
> accidental.

I was forgetting that you can assign more room for the Denemo Directive
via the minpixels field, eg:

(d-DirectivePut-note-gx tag 100)

would be the call to add to the Scheme script I gave you to set it at
100 pixels

Richard


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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 12:46 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Richard Shann  com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 11:31 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> > > For a 16th note the accidental over rights the earlier note, need
> > to
> > > have scheme move the note forward to make room for the
> > accidental. 
> > 
> > It is the line
> > 
> >  (d-DirectivePut-note-gx tag -10)
> > 
> > that is controlling the position of the accidental graphic in the
> > x-
> > direction. You could make them closer by shifting less than 10
> > pixels.
> > You could even move an individual one to make the display clearer
> > (double click on the note and choose Object Editor and choose
> > "Advanced" from the buttons for the "makam" directive. Then change
> > the
> > value of the gx field. 
> 
> It just does not look neat.   Because there is not enough room
> between the two notes moving the accidental does little. A scheme
> code would be nice to move the note forward, same the sharped or
> flatted note, when the second accidental is used.   I would not know
> how to do this!

There is no simple Scheme command to move the notes around in the
display, you can use Measures->Display Effects->Widen Measures to widen
(all) the measures which will stop smaller notes crashing into the
accidental. The display is a pretty crude typesetter, only managing
enough to let you see the music reasonably clearly.

Richard


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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Freeman Gilmore]

​

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Richard Shann 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 11:31 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> > For a 16th note the accidental over rights the earlier note, need to
> > have scheme move the note forward to make room for the accidental.
>
> It is the line
>
>  (d-DirectivePut-note-gx tag -10)
>
> that is controlling the position of the accidental graphic in the x-
> direction. You could make them closer by shifting less than 10 pixels.
> You could even move an individual one to make the display clearer
> (double click on the note and choose Object Editor and choose
> "Advanced" from the buttons for the "makam" directive. Then change the
> value of the gx field.
> ​
>
​It just does not look neat​.   Because there is not enough room between
the two notes moving the accidental does little. A scheme code would be
nice to move the note forward, same the sharped or flatted note, when
the second accidental is used.   I would not know how to do this!

> ​
>
>
> >I need to check this, but I recall that if you have an #A and hit
> > a button the new accidental will over right the #.
>
> yes it is putting the accidental where an accidental would go, if you
> want both to be visible in the Display you would choose a different gx
> (or even move it vertically with gy). The output LilyPond would be the
> syntax for both accidentals, which is not likely to be what you want.
>
> Remember: that this has nothing to do with what you will see typeset -
> it is just to help you see clearly what music you have put in.
>
​I know this is separate. ​


>
> Richard
>
>
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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 11:31 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> Buttons, 3 things:
> 
> How do I remove the scheme script that I have saved? 

Ctrl-A, Ctrl-X will delete all the Scheme script in the Scheme window.

>   Is this a separate file just for the user? 

It is not in a file it's on the screen.

>    I did find a scheme file but did not see the script that I
> saved.   Having some problems, all my buttons print the same thing
> “k”. 

You have saved them all with the same line:

 (d-DirectivePut-note-postfix tag "k")

instead save them with

 (d-DirectivePut-note-postfix tag "b")

and so on for all the others. You would want to change the line

(d- DirectivePut-note-graphic tag "accidentals.sharp.slashslashslash.stem")

otherwise they will all display the same glyph in the Denemo Display
(they will typeset correctly because the LilyPond output is changed to
"b" etc).

HTH


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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 11:31 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> For a 16th note the accidental over rights the earlier note, need to
> have scheme move the note forward to make room for the accidental. 

It is the line 

 (d-DirectivePut-note-gx tag -10)

that is controlling the position of the accidental graphic in the x-
direction. You could make them closer by shifting less than 10 pixels.
You could even move an individual one to make the display clearer
(double click on the note and choose Object Editor and choose
"Advanced" from the buttons for the "makam" directive. Then change the
value of the gx field.

>    I need to check this, but I recall that if you have an #A and hit
> a button the new accidental will over right the #.

yes it is putting the accidental where an accidental would go, if you
want both to be visible in the Display you would choose a different gx
(or even move it vertically with gy). The output LilyPond would be the
syntax for both accidentals, which is not likely to be what you want.  

Remember: that this has nothing to do with what you will see typeset -
it is just to help you see clearly what music you have put in.

Richard


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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 11:31 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> I am using windows 10 and the work pallet is on top of other windows
> except for the button pallet which stays on top.   Hear is the
> problem I open the scheme window, it opens on top, but as soon as I
> go to the work window the scheme window goes under; I go to the
> windows task bar it shows there but I click it and it stays under the
> work pallet.   I should bring it to the top.   The work around is to
> move the work pallet off screen.  

This happens a lot on Windows particularly the more modern ones. You
may find other workarounds mentioned on this list from time to time.
You will benefit greatly from more screen space - I use two screens
(for Main Display, Source PDF, Print View, Scheme Window, LilyPond
Window ...) though many will be iconized as well.

Richard

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[Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals - buttons

[Freeman Gilmore]

​

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 4:00 AM, Richard Shann 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2018-04-09 at 16:35 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> > > Denemo writes out a file and then starts the LilyPond program
> > > passing
> > > it the filename, LilyPond then generates a PDF file which Denemo
> > > then
> > > displays.
> >
> > Is a file the string  past for each note?   I ask because the PDF
> > is updated each time the string is past.
>
> The whole of the LilyPond syntax is re-calculated and LilyPond re-run
> every time you modify the score (and the whole of the display is
> recalculated every time you modify the score or even just move the
> cursor). This can be too much work when you have long scores, so you
> can modify this behavior as needed.
>
> Richard
>

​

I am using windows 10 and the work pallet is on top of other windows except
for the button pallet which stays on top.   Hear is the problem I open the
scheme window, it opens on top, but as soon as I go to the work window the
scheme window goes under; I go to the windows task bar it shows there but I
click it and it stays under the work pallet.   I should bring it to the top.
The work around is to move the work pallet off screen.

For a 16th note the accidental over rights the earlier note, need to have
scheme move the note forward to make room for the accidental.I need to
check this, but I recall that if you have an #A and hit a button the new
accidental will over right the #.



Buttons, 3 things:

How do I remove the scheme script that I have saved?   Is this a separate
file just for the user?I did find a scheme file but did not see the
script that I saved.   Having some problems, all my buttons print the same
thing “k”.  I am going back and poking around, waiting for your reply.

Thank you,
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[Denemo-devel] [bug #53379] Problem with download of compressed file

[Richard Shann]

Update of bug #53379 (project denemo):

  Status:   Need Info => Fixed  
 Open/Closed:Open => Closed 


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Re: [Denemo-devel] 29March version; keyboard "errors"

[Richard Shann]

On Mon, 2018-04-09 at 09:33 -0500, Jeremiah Benham wrote:
> > > Ok, as of last night's build I think I have all the keyboard
> > > shortcuts
> > > fixed for the windows version:
> > > 
> > > http://www.denemo.org/~jjbenham/mxe/denemo.zip
> > > 
> > > It is still popping up a Console, (like the old denemo-
> > > console.exe
> > > did). 
> > 
> > I put the -mwindows in the CFLAGS I wonder why it is still doing
> > that.
> > 
> 
> I have rebuilt this now placing -mwindows in AM_LDFLAGS like it was
> in gub. Let me know if that gets rid of the console.

Yes, that gets rid of the console, it is the linker that has to take
notice of -mwindows but it's surprising that gcc didn't pass it on.
I think everything is ok but have a lingering doubt about installation
on an entirely clean machine - on one test Denemo couldn't display the
fermata sign in the Denemo Display, seemingly because the emmentaler
font wasn't being accessed correctly. After running an older version
this went away, but if someone gets a chance to try the zip file at
their local library or other innocent machine and try to get the
fermata to show (or trill or other emmentaler glyphs) then that would
be good.
and, of course, any other problems there may be...

Richard


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Re: [Denemo-devel] Fwd: microtonal accidentals

[Richard Shann]

On Mon, 2018-04-09 at 16:35 -0400, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> > Denemo writes out a file and then starts the LilyPond program
> > passing
> > it the filename, LilyPond then generates a PDF file which Denemo
> > then
> > displays.
> 
> Is a file the string  past for each note?   I ask because the PDF
> is updated each time the string is past.

The whole of the LilyPond syntax is re-calculated and LilyPond re-run
every time you modify the score (and the whole of the display is
recalculated every time you modify the score or even just move the
cursor). This can be too much work when you have long scores, so you
can modify this behavior as needed.

Richard



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