Re: Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-09 Thread Eric Bresie 
Assume the idea was to walk with a few plugins on the new site before running 
but it seems maybe it might be good to crank it up a bit to allow more plugins 
to migrate.

Would it be worth putting some sort of notice on the legacy plugin welcome page 
to point to information on “This site will be deprecated. See additional 
information for migrating plugins see here.” (To page with all the details 
mentioned in this thread like publishing to maven central, new plugin portal 
details, etc).

Eric Bresie
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> On November 8, 2019 at 2:44:37 PM CST, antonio  wrote:
> Hi Ernie,
>
> Sorry for the confuion.
>
> Current version:
> (on the works, running on Apache infrastructure)
> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
> This is the one used in Apache NetBeans 11.2
>
> Version to be deprecated soon:
> (running on Oracle infrastructure)
> http://plugins.netbeans.org
> This is the one used in Oracle NetBeans 8.2 and previous Apache NetBeans
> versions.
>
> Hope this clarifies,
> Antonio
>
> El 8/11/19 a las 21:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
> >
> > On 11/8/2019 12:13 PM, antonio wrote:
> > > Hi Ernie,
> > >
> > > As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the end of
> > > the year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure
> > > (plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.
> > >
> > > The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail account for
> > > authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently working in
> > > adding additional OAuth providers.
> >
> >
> > Is the "current version" you reference the one at plugins.netbeans.org?
> > Or is there a transitional plugin portal and there will be a third one
> > early next year?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Antonio
> > >
> > > El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
> > > > I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd been
> > > > informed that I was wasting my time.
> > >
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Re: Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-09 Thread Eric Bresie 
If I read it correctly, reference to the 11.2 catalogs on the legacy plugin 
site redirects to the 11.0 catalog. So assume that means no real 11.2 catalog 
exists and registering information for a 11.2 plugin has to be contained in the 
real 11.0 catalog. Is that right?

Eric Bresie
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> On November 8, 2019 at 6:31:29 PM CST, Ernie Rael  wrote:
> On 11/8/2019 3:08 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > But is it a black hole or a misunderstanding on your part?
>
> According to Matthias at plugins.netbeans.org the 11.2 catalog is not
> used by the 11.2 IDE. 11.2 uses the 11.0 catalog. If the 11.2 catalog is
> not used by an IDE, then I'd call it a black hole; and confusing to have
> 11.2 as a verification option. His post looks pretty definitive. If his
> post is correct, then it's unclear to me what it is I'm
> misunderstanding. BTW, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to use 11.0
> catalog for all 11.x releases, considering how the ecosystem is changing.
>
> See Mattias' post at
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/201911.mbox/%3C810bafb8104ad2b18e9a0001f14568a085affc0c.camel%40doppel-helix.eu%3E
>
> -ernie
>
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 23:59, Ernie Rael  wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/8/2019 2:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > > > I don’t know what the window is that you’re talking about. Please
> > > continue
> > > > using plugins.netbeans.org
> > > The problem is that I specified 11.2 at plugins.netbeans.org. Seems to
> > > be I should have spec'd 11.0 (to get it available in 11.2). My mistake.
> > > Might want to remove 11.2 as an option at plugins.netbeans.org, since it
> > > is a blackhole.
> > >
> > > -ernie
> > > > , others are doing the same, though indeed also
> > > > continue investigating uploading to Maven Central, as others have done 
> > > > as
> > > > well.
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 21:57, Ernie Rael  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In the Plugin Manager, there is NB 8.2 plugin portal. I enable this, 
> > > > > and
> > > > > I don't see the jVi UC plugin.
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like the only contributed plugins that are available (without
> > > > > manual intervention) come from the new apache infrastructure. I didn't
> > > > > realize this, that was my confusion. If that's not entirely accurate, 
> > > > > in
> > > > > any event I've missed the window for the plugins.netbeans.org
> > > > > infrastructure, and I'll move on to maven.
> > > > >
> > > > > -ernie
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/8/2019 12:44 PM, antonio wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Ernie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for the confuion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Current version:
> > > > > > (on the works, running on Apache infrastructure)
> > > > > > http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
> > > > > > This is the one used in Apache NetBeans 11.2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Version to be deprecated soon:
> > > > > > (running on Oracle infrastructure)
> > > > > > http://plugins.netbeans.org
> > > > > > This is the one used in Oracle NetBeans 8.2 and previous Apache
> > > > > > NetBeans versions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this clarifies,
> > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > >
> > > > > > El 8/11/19 a las 21:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
> > > > > > > On 11/8/2019 12:13 PM, antonio wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Ernie,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the 
> > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > the year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure
> > > > > > > > (plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail 
> > > > > > > > account
> > > > > > > > for authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently 
> > > > > > > > working in
> > > > > > > > adding additional OAuth providers.
> > > > > > > Is the "current version" you reference the one at
> > > > > > > plugins.netbeans.org? Or is there a transitional plugin portal and
> > > > > > > there will be a third one early next year?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
> > > > > > > > > I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish 
> > > > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > been informed that I was wasting my time.
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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-08 Thread Ernie Rael 

On 11/8/2019 3:08 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

But is it a black hole or a misunderstanding on your part?


According to Matthias at plugins.netbeans.org the 11.2 catalog is not 
used by the 11.2 IDE. 11.2 uses the 11.0 catalog. If the 11.2 catalog is 
not used by an IDE, then I'd call it a black hole; and confusing to have 
11.2 as a verification option. His post looks pretty definitive. If his 
post is correct, then it's unclear to me what it is I'm 
misunderstanding. BTW, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to use 11.0 
catalog for all 11.x releases, considering how the ecosystem is changing.


See Mattias' post at 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/201911.mbox/%3C810bafb8104ad2b18e9a0001f14568a085affc0c.camel%40doppel-helix.eu%3E


-ernie



Gj

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 23:59, Ernie Rael  wrote:


On 11/8/2019 2:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

I don’t know what the window is that you’re talking about. Please

continue

using plugins.netbeans.org

The problem is that I specified 11.2 at plugins.netbeans.org. Seems to
be I should have spec'd 11.0 (to get it available in 11.2). My mistake.
Might want to remove 11.2 as an option at plugins.netbeans.org, since it
is a blackhole.

-ernie

, others are doing the same, though indeed also
continue investigating uploading to Maven Central, as others have done as
well.

Gj

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 21:57, Ernie Rael  wrote:


In the Plugin Manager, there is NB 8.2 plugin portal. I enable this, and
I don't see the jVi UC plugin.

It looks like the only contributed plugins that are available (without
manual intervention) come from the new apache infrastructure. I didn't
realize this, that was my confusion. If that's not entirely accurate, in
any event I've missed the window for the plugins.netbeans.org
infrastructure, and I'll move on to maven.

-ernie

On 11/8/2019 12:44 PM, antonio wrote:

Hi Ernie,

Sorry for the confuion.

Current version:
(on the works, running on Apache infrastructure)
http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
This is the one used in Apache NetBeans 11.2

Version to be deprecated soon:
(running on Oracle infrastructure)
http://plugins.netbeans.org
This is the one used in Oracle NetBeans 8.2 and previous Apache
NetBeans versions.

Hope this clarifies,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 21:38, Ernie Rael escribió:

On 11/8/2019 12:13 PM, antonio wrote:

Hi Ernie,

As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the end of
the year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure
(plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.

The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail account
for authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently working in
adding additional OAuth providers.

Is the "current version" you reference the one at
plugins.netbeans.org? Or is there a transitional plugin portal and
there will be a third one early next year?



Kind regards,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:

I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd
been informed that I was wasting my time.

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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
But is it a black hole or a misunderstanding on your part?

Gj

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 23:59, Ernie Rael  wrote:

> On 11/8/2019 2:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > I don’t know what the window is that you’re talking about. Please
> continue
> > using plugins.netbeans.org
> The problem is that I specified 11.2 at plugins.netbeans.org. Seems to
> be I should have spec'd 11.0 (to get it available in 11.2). My mistake.
> Might want to remove 11.2 as an option at plugins.netbeans.org, since it
> is a blackhole.
>
> -ernie
> > , others are doing the same, though indeed also
> > continue investigating uploading to Maven Central, as others have done as
> > well.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 21:57, Ernie Rael  wrote:
> >
> >> In the Plugin Manager, there is NB 8.2 plugin portal. I enable this, and
> >> I don't see the jVi UC plugin.
> >>
> >> It looks like the only contributed plugins that are available (without
> >> manual intervention) come from the new apache infrastructure. I didn't
> >> realize this, that was my confusion. If that's not entirely accurate, in
> >> any event I've missed the window for the plugins.netbeans.org
> >> infrastructure, and I'll move on to maven.
> >>
> >> -ernie
> >>
> >> On 11/8/2019 12:44 PM, antonio wrote:
> >>> Hi Ernie,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the confuion.
> >>>
> >>> Current version:
> >>> (on the works, running on Apache infrastructure)
> >>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
> >>> This is the one used in Apache NetBeans 11.2
> >>>
> >>> Version to be deprecated soon:
> >>> (running on Oracle infrastructure)
> >>> http://plugins.netbeans.org
> >>> This is the one used in Oracle NetBeans 8.2 and previous Apache
> >>> NetBeans versions.
> >>>
> >>> Hope this clarifies,
> >>> Antonio
> >>>
> >>> El 8/11/19 a las 21:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
>  On 11/8/2019 12:13 PM, antonio wrote:
> > Hi Ernie,
> >
> > As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the end of
> > the year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure
> > (plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.
> >
> > The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail account
> > for authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently working in
> > adding additional OAuth providers.
> 
>  Is the "current version" you reference the one at
>  plugins.netbeans.org? Or is there a transitional plugin portal and
>  there will be a third one early next year?
> 
> 
> > Kind regards,
> > Antonio
> >
> > El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
> >> I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd
> >> been informed that I was wasting my time.
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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-08 Thread Ernie Rael 

On 11/8/2019 2:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

I don’t know what the window is that you’re talking about. Please continue
using plugins.netbeans.org
The problem is that I specified 11.2 at plugins.netbeans.org. Seems to 
be I should have spec'd 11.0 (to get it available in 11.2). My mistake. 
Might want to remove 11.2 as an option at plugins.netbeans.org, since it 
is a blackhole.


-ernie

, others are doing the same, though indeed also
continue investigating uploading to Maven Central, as others have done as
well.

Gj

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 21:57, Ernie Rael  wrote:


In the Plugin Manager, there is NB 8.2 plugin portal. I enable this, and
I don't see the jVi UC plugin.

It looks like the only contributed plugins that are available (without
manual intervention) come from the new apache infrastructure. I didn't
realize this, that was my confusion. If that's not entirely accurate, in
any event I've missed the window for the plugins.netbeans.org
infrastructure, and I'll move on to maven.

-ernie

On 11/8/2019 12:44 PM, antonio wrote:

Hi Ernie,

Sorry for the confuion.

Current version:
(on the works, running on Apache infrastructure)
http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
This is the one used in Apache NetBeans 11.2

Version to be deprecated soon:
(running on Oracle infrastructure)
http://plugins.netbeans.org
This is the one used in Oracle NetBeans 8.2 and previous Apache
NetBeans versions.

Hope this clarifies,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 21:38, Ernie Rael escribió:

On 11/8/2019 12:13 PM, antonio wrote:

Hi Ernie,

As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the end of
the year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure
(plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.

The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail account
for authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently working in
adding additional OAuth providers.


Is the "current version" you reference the one at
plugins.netbeans.org? Or is there a transitional plugin portal and
there will be a third one early next year?



Kind regards,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:

I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd
been informed that I was wasting my time.

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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-08 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
I don’t know what the window is that you’re talking about. Please continue
using plugins.netbeans.org, others are doing the same, though indeed also
continue investigating uploading to Maven Central, as others have done as
well.

Gj

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 21:57, Ernie Rael  wrote:

> In the Plugin Manager, there is NB 8.2 plugin portal. I enable this, and
> I don't see the jVi UC plugin.
>
> It looks like the only contributed plugins that are available (without
> manual intervention) come from the new apache infrastructure. I didn't
> realize this, that was my confusion. If that's not entirely accurate, in
> any event I've missed the window for the plugins.netbeans.org
> infrastructure, and I'll move on to maven.
>
> -ernie
>
> On 11/8/2019 12:44 PM, antonio wrote:
> > Hi Ernie,
> >
> > Sorry for the confuion.
> >
> > Current version:
> > (on the works, running on Apache infrastructure)
> > http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
> > This is the one used in Apache NetBeans 11.2
> >
> > Version to be deprecated soon:
> > (running on Oracle infrastructure)
> > http://plugins.netbeans.org
> > This is the one used in Oracle NetBeans 8.2 and previous Apache
> > NetBeans versions.
> >
> > Hope this clarifies,
> > Antonio
> >
> > El 8/11/19 a las 21:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
> >>
> >> On 11/8/2019 12:13 PM, antonio wrote:
> >>> Hi Ernie,
> >>>
> >>> As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the end of
> >>> the year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure
> >>> (plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.
> >>>
> >>> The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail account
> >>> for authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently working in
> >>> adding additional OAuth providers.
> >>
> >>
> >> Is the "current version" you reference the one at
> >> plugins.netbeans.org? Or is there a transitional plugin portal and
> >> there will be a third one early next year?
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>> Antonio
> >>>
> >>> El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
>  I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd
>  been informed that I was wasting my time.
> >>>
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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-08 Thread Ernie Rael 
In the Plugin Manager, there is NB 8.2 plugin portal. I enable this, and 
I don't see the jVi UC plugin.


It looks like the only contributed plugins that are available (without 
manual intervention) come from the new apache infrastructure. I didn't 
realize this, that was my confusion. If that's not entirely accurate, in 
any event I've missed the window for the plugins.netbeans.org 
infrastructure, and I'll move on to maven.


-ernie

On 11/8/2019 12:44 PM, antonio wrote:

Hi Ernie,

Sorry for the confuion.

Current version:
(on the works, running on Apache infrastructure)
http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
This is the one used in Apache NetBeans 11.2

Version to be deprecated soon:
(running on Oracle infrastructure)
http://plugins.netbeans.org
This is the one used in Oracle NetBeans 8.2 and previous Apache 
NetBeans versions.


Hope this clarifies,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 21:38, Ernie Rael escribió:


On 11/8/2019 12:13 PM, antonio wrote:

Hi Ernie,

As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the end of 
the year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure 
(plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.


The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail account 
for authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently working in 
adding additional OAuth providers.



Is the "current version" you reference the one at 
plugins.netbeans.org? Or is there a transitional plugin portal and 
there will be a third one early next year?





Kind regards,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd 
been informed that I was wasting my time.


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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-08 Thread antonio 

Hi Ernie,

Sorry for the confuion.

Current version:
(on the works, running on Apache infrastructure)
http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
This is the one used in Apache NetBeans 11.2

Version to be deprecated soon:
(running on Oracle infrastructure)
http://plugins.netbeans.org
This is the one used in Oracle NetBeans 8.2 and previous Apache NetBeans 
versions.


Hope this clarifies,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 21:38, Ernie Rael escribió:


On 11/8/2019 12:13 PM, antonio wrote:

Hi Ernie,

As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the end of 
the year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure 
(plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.


The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail account for 
authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently working in 
adding additional OAuth providers.



Is the "current version" you reference the one at plugins.netbeans.org? 
Or is there a transitional plugin portal and there will be a third one 
early next year?





Kind regards,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd been 
informed that I was wasting my time.


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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-08 Thread antonio 

Hi Ernie,

As Geertjan explained the new plugin portal is planned by the end of the 
year, as we're moving away from Oracle infrastructure 
(plugins.netbeans.org) that will be removed in the future.


The current version of the plugin portal requires a gmail account for 
authentication, the Apache NetBeans Team is currently working in adding 
additional OAuth providers.


Kind regards,
Antonio

El 8/11/19 a las 18:38, Ernie Rael escribió:
I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd been 
informed that I was wasting my time.


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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-08 Thread Ernie Rael 

On 11/6/2019 3:35 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

I've pinged the admins of the Plugin Portal at plugins.netbeans.org to give
you a password to it but, again, note that it's going to be going away --
since it leverages Oracle infrastructure and we're in transition away from
Oracle infrastructure at the moment.

I've added the router plugin for jVi to the old plugin portal. It has 
been verified and is now marked as 11.2 UC. The idea was to provide a 
convenient way for users to get jVi on 11.2. However I now discover that 
this 11.2 UC isn't accessible from 11.2 without manually adding it which 
defeats the purpose of the whole exercise.


I guess I made some assumptions that were incorrect. I wish I'd been 
informed that I was wasting my time.


-ernie


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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-06 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Upload+NetBeans+Modules+to+Maven+Central

Gj

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 5:11 PM Ernie Rael  wrote:

> On 11/6/2019 3:35 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >
> > That's right. Hopefully by the end of the year the new plugin portal will
> > be ready. Indeed, you'll need to make your plugin available to Maven
> > Central and instructions are provided on the new plugin portal about how
> to
> > do that. It is indeed more work than before, on the other hand Maven
> > Central is the de facto place for making artefacts of various kinds
> > available and we're going to be leveraging it too.
> I'm not questioning the technical decision re Maven Central. I have a
> "router plugin", probably the smallest/simplest meaningful plugin
> possible. Having never used Maven I'm guessing that, for me, it's a big
> effort for such a little thing. (I haven't used NB/java for almost 5
> years, and only occasional jVi maintenance before that.)
> >
> > I've pinged the admins of the Plugin Portal at plugins.netbeans.org to
> give
> > you a password
> Thanks.
> >   to it but, again, note that it's going to be going away --
> > since it leverages Oracle infrastructure and we're in transition away
> from
> > Oracle infrastructure at the moment.
>
> Since it's trivial to install an update center manually via the Plugin
> Manager I'll look at putting instructions on the jVi website in case I
> miss the window.
>
> -ernie
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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-06 Thread Ernie Rael 

On 11/6/2019 3:35 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:


That's right. Hopefully by the end of the year the new plugin portal will
be ready. Indeed, you'll need to make your plugin available to Maven
Central and instructions are provided on the new plugin portal about how to
do that. It is indeed more work than before, on the other hand Maven
Central is the de facto place for making artefacts of various kinds
available and we're going to be leveraging it too.
I'm not questioning the technical decision re Maven Central. I have a 
"router plugin", probably the smallest/simplest meaningful plugin 
possible. Having never used Maven I'm guessing that, for me, it's a big 
effort for such a little thing. (I haven't used NB/java for almost 5 
years, and only occasional jVi maintenance before that.)


I've pinged the admins of the Plugin Portal at plugins.netbeans.org to give
you a password

Thanks.

  to it but, again, note that it's going to be going away --
since it leverages Oracle infrastructure and we're in transition away from
Oracle infrastructure at the moment.


Since it's trivial to install an update center manually via the Plugin 
Manager I'll look at putting instructions on the jVi website in case I 
miss the window.


-ernie



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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-06 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 12:51 AM Ernie Rael  wrote:

> On 11/5/2019 11:48 AM, Antonio wrote:
> > Hi Ernie,
> >
> > We have a brand new plugin portal at
>
> OK. Going to netbeans.apache.org, click on plugins (top horizontal
> menu), that plugin page directs you  to the old plugins.netbeans.org.
>


That's right. Hopefully by the end of the year the new plugin portal will
be ready. Indeed, you'll need to make your plugin available to Maven
Central and instructions are provided on the new plugin portal about how to
do that. It is indeed more work than before, on the other hand Maven
Central is the de facto place for making artefacts of various kinds
available and we're going to be leveraging it too.

I've pinged the admins of the Plugin Portal at plugins.netbeans.org to give
you a password to it but, again, note that it's going to be going away --
since it leverages Oracle infrastructure and we're in transition away from
Oracle infrastructure at the moment.

Gj




>
> I have never used maven. I suspect this is a steep learning curve. jVi
> won't be available from NB plugin manager until I can get the current
> jVi-update-center tagged with 11.2 in the old plugin portal. I assume my
> request for activating my old NB account shouldn't take more than a few
> days.
>
> I'm currently using what I see is called a "router plugin". I would like
> to get off SourceForge. Any ides for where I can host jVi's nbm's and
> help files? (jvi.sourceforge.net is currently the help files) I'd also
> like to find somewhere else to host the jvi source, and I don't want to
> learn git.
>
> What does the "prepare credentials" mean regarding google account? It's
> mentioned in the confluence ...PluginPortalUpdateCenter.
>
> -ernie
>
> >
> > http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/
> >
> > The current procedure to contribute stuff is documented at
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+get+plugin+on+Plugin+Portal+Update+Center
> >
> >
> > This requires uploading stuff to Maven Central.
> >
> > I was wondering if it could be possible to do that with jVi?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Antonio
>
>
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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-05 Thread Ernie Rael 

On 11/5/2019 11:48 AM, Antonio wrote:

Hi Ernie,

We have a brand new plugin portal at


OK. Going to netbeans.apache.org, click on plugins (top horizontal 
menu), that plugin page directs you  to the old plugins.netbeans.org.


I have never used maven. I suspect this is a steep learning curve. jVi 
won't be available from NB plugin manager until I can get the current 
jVi-update-center tagged with 11.2 in the old plugin portal. I assume my 
request for activating my old NB account shouldn't take more than a few 
days.


I'm currently using what I see is called a "router plugin". I would like 
to get off SourceForge. Any ides for where I can host jVi's nbm's and 
help files? (jvi.sourceforge.net is currently the help files) I'd also 
like to find somewhere else to host the jvi source, and I don't want to 
learn git.


What does the "prepare credentials" mean regarding google account? It's 
mentioned in the confluence ...PluginPortalUpdateCenter.


-ernie



http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/

The current procedure to contribute stuff is documented at

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+get+plugin+on+Plugin+Portal+Update+Center 



This requires uploading stuff to Maven Central.

I was wondering if it could be possible to do that with jVi?

Kind regards,
Antonio



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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-05 Thread Antonio 

Hi Ernie,

We have a brand new plugin portal at

http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal/

The current procedure to contribute stuff is documented at

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+get+plugin+on+Plugin+Portal+Update+Center

This requires uploading stuff to Maven Central.

I was wondering if it could be possible to do that with jVi?

Kind regards,
Antonio

El 5/11/19 a las 18:57, Ernie Rael escribió:

Hey Antonio,
Good to hear from you.

On 11/4/2019 10:48 AM, Antonio wrote:



El 4/11/19 a las 19:25, Ernie Rael escribió:


I haven't used jVi or NB for several years. I suspect simply getting 
jVi into the new plugin portal will require more than a little support.


Your wish is my command! We'd love to see full jVi support back in 
Apache NetBeans. How can we help?


My bad. Looks like plugins.netbeans.org is still active. I requested 
reinstatement of my login permission. When that happens I'll be able to 
re-upload the same old .nbm and mark it for 11.2 (same bits for over 7 
years). That nbm is trivial. It just installs an update center. 
Unfortunately the update center files it points to reside on 
Sourceforge, and I've heard that there are reliability/availability 
problems.


Since a user manually installed the update center, downloaded jVi and 
got jVi running, that should be the end of it for now, except for having 
to re-upload the identical bits of this tiny module every time there is 
a new release of NB. Are there plans for a new plugin portal?


-ernie

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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-04 Thread Jaroslav Tulach 
FYI:
http://bits.netbeans.org/dev/javadoc/org-openide-windows/apichanges.html#ModeCreation

It might be enough to use the newly exposed XML based API to layout modes
the way you need.
-jt

po 4. 11. 2019 v 19:25 odesílatel Ernie Rael  napsal:

> Greetings and long time...
>
> I just got a feature request to make jVi accessible through the new
> ApacheNetBeans update mechanisms given that with 11.2 NB is "back in
> business". Previously the jVi plugin installed an update center, and
> through jVi's update center several modules were made available. This
> allowed for rapid fixes and avoided the old update center's problems
> with a multi-module plugin.
>
> The good news is that, according to the user, manually installing the
> old jVi still operates. That's also the bad news. In some areas,
> particularly window management, jVi makes extensive use of reflection
> and looking into the UI widget hierarchy to support programmatically
> splitting and moving windows. I've cc'd Graeme Ingleby who has done some
> work cleaning up NB's window manager, see Enhanced WindowManager
> <
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/netbeans-dev/201906.mbox/%3C46B1A73B-08AC-4DAB-8FCE-A263566B5EA2%40ingleby.net%3E>.
>
> jVi could be phased: 1 - get jVi into plugin portal, 2 - contrib jVi, 3
> - cleanup NB integration.
>
> There are some issues about better integration into NB
> *Bug 198657* 
> -APIs to work with Modes (implement jVi window split/move/... commands)
> The main objection, from Stanislav Aubrecht, seemed to be that the
> suggested APIs expose too much, particularly when you consider that a
> different window manager could be plugged in that it might not support
> window splitting. Seems some simple queries for "is XXX feature present"
> would solve this, or just throwing an exception.
>
> There also
> *Bug 135385*  -add
> attachTopComponentToSide method to WindowManager
> *Bug 96323*  -Need
> ability to dock and undock TopComponents programmatically to/from a
> Frame or Dialog
> I'd need to study these to see how they are meaningful they are now. And
> there's
> *Bug 179047*  -jVi
> integration
> which is an umbrella issue (including here for my own information)
>
> I haven't used jVi or NB for several years. I suspect simply getting jVi
> into the new plugin portal will require more than a little support.
>
> -ernie
>
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Re: jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-04 Thread Antonio 

Hi Ernie!

So good to see you around here!

El 4/11/19 a las 19:25, Ernie Rael escribió:


I haven't used jVi or NB for several years. I suspect simply getting jVi 
into the new plugin portal will require more than a little support.


Your wish is my command! We'd love to see full jVi support back in 
Apache NetBeans. How can we help?




-ernie


Thanks & kind regards,
Antonio




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jVi for Apache NetBeans

2019-11-04 Thread Ernie Rael 

Greetings and long time...

I just got a feature request to make jVi accessible through the new 
ApacheNetBeans update mechanisms given that with 11.2 NB is "back in 
business". Previously the jVi plugin installed an update center, and 
through jVi's update center several modules were made available. This 
allowed for rapid fixes and avoided the old update center's problems 
with a multi-module plugin.


The good news is that, according to the user, manually installing the 
old jVi still operates. That's also the bad news. In some areas, 
particularly window management, jVi makes extensive use of reflection 
and looking into the UI widget hierarchy to support programmatically 
splitting and moving windows. I've cc'd Graeme Ingleby who has done some 
work cleaning up NB's window manager, see Enhanced WindowManager 
. 
jVi could be phased: 1 - get jVi into plugin portal, 2 - contrib jVi, 3 
- cleanup NB integration.


There are some issues about better integration into NB
*Bug 198657*  
-APIs to work with Modes (implement jVi window split/move/... commands)
The main objection, from Stanislav Aubrecht, seemed to be that the 
suggested APIs expose too much, particularly when you consider that a 
different window manager could be plugged in that it might not support 
window splitting. Seems some simple queries for "is XXX feature present" 
would solve this, or just throwing an exception.


There also
*Bug 135385*  -add 
attachTopComponentToSide method to WindowManager
*Bug 96323*  -Need 
ability to dock and undock TopComponents programmatically to/from a 
Frame or Dialog
I'd need to study these to see how they are meaningful they are now. And 
there's
*Bug 179047*  -jVi 
integration

which is an umbrella issue (including here for my own information)

I haven't used jVi or NB for several years. I suspect simply getting jVi 
into the new plugin portal will require more than a little support.


-ernie


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