Re: Any opinions on requested showstopper 122614?
2013/7/2 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, any opinions on requested showstopper https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122614 It seems to be quite easy to disable the help agent and I have no real opinion on it. I can disable it quite fast by myself but can live with a different default as well. Well it's no real showstopper but a fix would be straight forward. Is a regression, a very minor one. But it is something that every user will see, so this is likely to lead to support emails, etc. I think we want the impression of 4.0 to focus on the new sidepanel, not be distracted by retro light bulbs popping up. So if it is easy to fix maybe we can include it? +1. If the fix is just changing the default value from true to false I'm in favour of it: the light bulb is distracting. Regards Ricardo -Rob Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [BUG] Chart loos valuas by copy/paste into writer
2013/7/1 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi at all Can sameone confirm this bug 1) Open a Calc sheet 2) Make a Diagram 3) Select the diagram and copy it 4) Open a Draw document 5) paste Result: you have only the grid but not the valuas Works with 3.4.1, broken with the latest dev snapshot from 4.0 System MacOS X 10.7. but I expect this is a crossplatform bug. Tried in 3.4.1 with Windows 7 and I see the bug there as well. Similar to this issue https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118840 But it's marked as solved. Regards Ricardo -Rob Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Bug 122632 - Untranslated string on Calc menu not found on Pootle
I just reported this issue against 4.0 that was found by a forum user https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122632 On 3.4.1 this problem is not present so it seems as a small regression. I wonder if other localizations see the same. Can someone else test on another language? Thanks Regards Ricardo
Re: Bug 122632 - Untranslated string on Calc menu not found on Pootle
2013/6/29 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Hi Ricardo, RGB ES schrieb: I just reported this issue against 4.0 that was found by a forum user https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122632https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122632 On 3.4.1 this problem is not present so it seems as a small regression. I wonder if other localizations see the same. Can someone else test on another language? I do not see any untranslated term in your screenshot. Do you mean '__Anonymous_Sheet_DB__1' ? Yes. On 3.4.1 there is, between parenthesis, a text on Spanish there: (sin nombre) Regards Ricardo That is the default name of the database range. If you set an own name for the database range in menu Data Define range and use that range, your given name will there in the dialog. In AOO3.4 the default name was not shown at all. The name is necessary for to allow more than one autofilter. Kind regards Regina --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Pre-requisite for Tamil Version of AOO 4.0
2013/6/29 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Kadal Amutham wrote: My suggestion is , while installing AOO, there should be a screen telling about this prerequisite and providing required links, so that they can install the same and use AOO-TA (Removing the marketing list, not relevant for this issue) For this kind of suggestions we normally use the localized download page. In this case, we (well, you!) would add some text to http://www.openoffice.org/ta/ to give relevant information for users who are downloading the package in Tamil. Will we be translating the Releases Notes on the website as well? That could be another good location for this kind of material. -Rob We had volunteers do some tranlsations of release notes for 3.4.1 . But this was not universal for all the languages for which 3.4.1 was released. It would be wonderful if we could provide translations and other useful information for all them in native language release notes. Just thinking aloud: Is it possible to put the release notes on pootle? Build a third project, Apache OpenOffice 4.x release notes? And the release announcement? Regards Ricardo Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK If you stick with a vision, it might not all work, but some of it will be absolute genius. -- Kim Cattrall
Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
2013/6/27 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Hello all, I've updated my flat application icons design exploration to show the icons adjacent to the new flat logo. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons Scroll to end of page to see the flat icons. Thoughts? They will work well at low scales, and that's a plus. I'm not sure that Draw icon is clear enough, though: pencils are more associated with bitmap editors, I think that that was the idea behind the yellow curve on actual Draw icon. Maybe a Bézier curve with its handlers active will be more clear. Other than that, I cannot say: I'm still an old school user that prefers glossy icons, so don't take me too seriously :) Regards Ricardo Regards, Kevin
Re: how to stop openoffice recovery
2013/6/25 Yuzhen Fan fanyuz...@gmail.com 彤�u：你好！ 如果是要停止本次恢复，则选择取消按钮。如果是要永久关闭自动恢复功能，也就是下次不再出现这个对话框，目前我还没找到方法。貌似AOO没提供这个选项。 Hi all, is there any one know how to disable the AOO recovery for ever, does AOO provides an option that can prevent displaying these dialogs next time? That is likely Tong Xuan's question in her mail, I haven't found such kind of option. Maybe it's Tools → Options → Load/Save → General and disable the saving of self recovering information. Regards Ricardo Regards, Yu Zhen 2013/6/25 戴彤�u m991...@mail.chimei.org.tw 你好： 不好意思，想��教一下，如果想�P�]自�踊��臀募�功能��如何做呢？麻�┱�提供方法,�x�x! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 55 million downloads
2013/6/24 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org A quick update. As of last night we're now at 55,155,204 downloads of AOO 3.4. Good! To put it in perspective Instagram reports that they have 100 million users, and Facebook thought they were worth $1 billion (US). Of course, we are free and always will be. As Warren Buffet said, Cost is what you pay; value is what you receive. We're providing a lot of value. I don't think it is worth the time to do a blog post, etc. It is not news any more. But maybe at 10 million download intervals, or 75 million or something like that, we announce more broadly? Related though: How 4.0 downloads will be counted? Starting from zero? Adding them to the 3.4 numbers? Maybe both? Something like X million downloads of which Y millions from our latest mayor release alone would be interesting. Regards Ricardo Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites
2013/6/22 Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] In my very first post on the topic, I wrote: [...] yes, that's right. I had read that. That was true then. That is true now. This is not quite correct. The point is that Dave has suggested that there should be language-specific pages. In my opinion so for example: http://www.openoffice.org/de/porting/ which is not the same as: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ Can there be such sites or not? Dave had called to vote. I think that that was suggested since the beginning by Rob... so yes, an oo.o/de/porting site or similar is possible. Regards Ricardo It us unfortunate that it required such a long thread for it sink in. That's not a fair comment, _I try to like all here, only to do my best._ But english is not my native language, and I am familiar with the rules of Apache does not look as good as you. Gretings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [4.0]Wrong cursor positioning when a comment is present on the document
2013/6/22 Tsutomu Uchino hanya.r...@gmail.com Hi, 2013/6/22, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com: 2013/6/21 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com I did not reported this yet. Download this document http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Test-Bug.odt On pages 3 and 7 you'll see some text highlighted. There is also a comment inserted on page 3. If you click on the yellow text on page 3, the cursor jumps to the heading instead of remaining where you clicked. If you click on the yellow text on page 7 the situation is even worse: the cursor jumps to the footer of previous page. Now, go to page 3 and delete the note: clicking on any yellow text the cursor behave as intended. Also, if with the note in place you delete text under the first heading so the chapter gets reduced to two pages, the jump on page 7 does not occur. The document is new, all styles defined today and created on AOO400m2(Build:9701) - Rev. 1493305 2013-06-15 03:58:54 (Sat, 15 Jun 2013) - Linux x86_64 Can someone confirm this this *really* strange issue? OK, this is getting even more strange: if I hide the sidebar, the problem does not happen... I can confirm the strange behaviour on side by side mode (middle icon) when the width of the document window is not wide enough. When the horizontal scrollbar of the document does not have scrollable remaining, the problem not happen on: AOO341m1(Build:9593) - Rev. 1372282 2012-08-13 09:43:38(Mon, 13 Aug 2012) - Linux i686 Thanks! I did some more tests, and the problem is triggered when the horizontal scrollbar get active (i.e., you can move it): at that point starts the jumping, so it has nothing to do with comments, sidebar or whatever, just with the horizontal space available for the document. In fact, if when being in the situation to trigger the jumps, you reduce the zoom the problem disappear! I can reproduce the problem with the same document on 3.4.1 too just by anchoring the navigator or stylist to the right and shrinking the windows up to when the horizontal scroll bar appears, so it's not something new... even if I cannot find an issue about that. Maybe most people uses Writer fullscreen... I'll report this later. Regards Ricardo Regards - Tsutomu Thanks Regards Ricardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [4.0]Wrong cursor positioning when a comment is present on the document
2013/6/22 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com 2013/6/22 Tsutomu Uchino hanya.r...@gmail.com Hi, 2013/6/22, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com: 2013/6/21 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com I did not reported this yet. Download this document http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Test-Bug.odt On pages 3 and 7 you'll see some text highlighted. There is also a comment inserted on page 3. If you click on the yellow text on page 3, the cursor jumps to the heading instead of remaining where you clicked. If you click on the yellow text on page 7 the situation is even worse: the cursor jumps to the footer of previous page. Now, go to page 3 and delete the note: clicking on any yellow text the cursor behave as intended. Also, if with the note in place you delete text under the first heading so the chapter gets reduced to two pages, the jump on page 7 does not occur. The document is new, all styles defined today and created on AOO400m2(Build:9701) - Rev. 1493305 2013-06-15 03:58:54 (Sat, 15 Jun 2013) - Linux x86_64 Can someone confirm this this *really* strange issue? OK, this is getting even more strange: if I hide the sidebar, the problem does not happen... I can confirm the strange behaviour on side by side mode (middle icon) when the width of the document window is not wide enough. When the horizontal scrollbar of the document does not have scrollable remaining, the problem not happen on: AOO341m1(Build:9593) - Rev. 1372282 2012-08-13 09:43:38(Mon, 13 Aug 2012) - Linux i686 Thanks! I did some more tests, and the problem is triggered when the horizontal scrollbar get active (i.e., you can move it): at that point starts the jumping, so it has nothing to do with comments, sidebar or whatever, just with the horizontal space available for the document. In fact, if when being in the situation to trigger the jumps, you reduce the zoom the problem disappear! I can reproduce the problem with the same document on 3.4.1 too just by anchoring the navigator or stylist to the right and shrinking the windows up to when the horizontal scroll bar appears, so it's not something new... even if I cannot find an issue about that. Maybe most people uses Writer fullscreen... I'll report this later. Here it is: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122572 Regards Ricardo Regards - Tsutomu Thanks Regards Ricardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: PROPOSE Release Blocker: Re: Problem with Search function on 4.0
2013/6/21 Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com On 20.06.2013 21:33, RGB ES wrote: 2013/6/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/20 Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net Confirmed on: AOO400m1(Build:9700) 2013-05-07 14:38:38 (Tue, 07 May 2013) - Linux x86_64 NB: same with the Find toolbar. Indeed. I filled this issue: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122567https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122567 This is a really problematic issue, IMO. This is a duplicate of bug 122880, which already has a request for release blocker flag. That bug has also already a proposed patch. Good to know! (about the patch, I mean: confirm my poor skills on searching bugzilla issues is a bad new for me... ;) Regards Ricardo -Andre I've set the Release Blocker ? flag. +1. Ricardo -Rob Regards Ricardo Hagar Le 20/06/2013 20:32, RGB ES a écrit : I need someone to confirm a problem before doing a report. Open a new Writer document and type Text, text, TEXT Now press Ctrl-F to activate the search tool. Be sure that match case is NOT selected and search for text: the tool will only find the second word, ignoring the first and third ones as if match case were selected. This in on the ES build: AOO400m2(Build:9701) - Rev. 1493305 2013-06-15 03:58:54 (Sat, 15 Jun 2013) - Linux x86_64 Regards Ricardo --** --**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**a**pache.orghttp://apache.org dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --**--** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites
2013/6/21 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: Hi Rob, I can understand your concerns, but they aren't drasticly. I'm with you, that we have to make clear, the Box isn't a product of the ASF but distributed by the Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V... But on the other hand the Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.. isn't any old third party. We need to be fair. Treating one 3rd party special is not fair. +1. An exception never confirms a rule, an exception always break a rule. No matter if we are talking about an old and trusted friend, a third party is always a third party with the same rights and duties of all other third parties. It's a charitable german entity supporting Free office software. It's still supporting Apache OpenOffice. The computer an the monitor at our Fosdem stand were provided by Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V... Disclaimer: I'm no member of that club, but know persons who are. So IMO it's ok to put that news in the news line of the homepage, making clear, who's the distributor of that product. I'd be much happier if the German community listened to what I am saying and took steps to address the full issue. IMHO you need to add a page that gives equal access to all 3rd party ports and distributions, and not just favor a single one with a news announcement. If you then give announcements of updates to these distributions, whenever they occur, and do such announcements fairly, not for just a single 3rd party, then this might be OK. So if you really want to move this forward I'd highly recommend creating and maintaining a German version of the porting page: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ +1 again. IMO, this is by far the best solution. All community members deserve the same respect. Regards Ricardo -Rob Regards Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[4.0]Wrong cursor positioning when a comment is present on the document
I did not reported this yet. Download this document http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Test-Bug.odt On pages 3 and 7 you'll see some text highlighted. There is also a comment inserted on page 3. If you click on the yellow text on page 3, the cursor jumps to the heading instead of remaining where you clicked. If you click on the yellow text on page 7 the situation is even worse: the cursor jumps to the footer of previous page. Now, go to page 3 and delete the note: clicking on any yellow text the cursor behave as intended. Also, if with the note in place you delete text under the first heading so the chapter gets reduced to two pages, the jump on page 7 does not occur. The document is new, all styles defined today and created on AOO400m2(Build:9701) - Rev. 1493305 2013-06-15 03:58:54 (Sat, 15 Jun 2013) - Linux x86_64 Can someone confirm this this *really* strange issue? Thanks Regards Ricardo
Re: [4.0]Wrong cursor positioning when a comment is present on the document
2013/6/21 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com I did not reported this yet. Download this document http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Test-Bug.odt On pages 3 and 7 you'll see some text highlighted. There is also a comment inserted on page 3. If you click on the yellow text on page 3, the cursor jumps to the heading instead of remaining where you clicked. If you click on the yellow text on page 7 the situation is even worse: the cursor jumps to the footer of previous page. Now, go to page 3 and delete the note: clicking on any yellow text the cursor behave as intended. Also, if with the note in place you delete text under the first heading so the chapter gets reduced to two pages, the jump on page 7 does not occur. The document is new, all styles defined today and created on AOO400m2(Build:9701) - Rev. 1493305 2013-06-15 03:58:54 (Sat, 15 Jun 2013) - Linux x86_64 Can someone confirm this this *really* strange issue? OK, this is getting even more strange: if I hide the sidebar, the problem does not happen... Thanks Regards Ricardo
Install problems on windows for ES dev build
I cannot test it myself (I do not have a window system), but there are several reports with problems installing the dev snapshot under different windows versions, from XP to 8. http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewtopic.php?f=67t=8605 Is it possible a relation between those problems and the localization? Because on the same thread, one user installed the EN version without problems. Regards Ricardo
Re: Graphical glitches on Draw 4.0
2013/6/14 Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com Hi Ricrado, how do I open webm format...? Interested because I still look for a good format/tooling to do some screencasts for the AOO4.0 feature page ;-) VLC. But be sure to install all codecs first. I did a clumsy screencast of the sidebar some days ago: http://youtu.be/L4T1uTn7p0U I still need to learn how to do those things better... I used a strange tandem: RecordItNow on top of RecordMyDesktop, setting the bitrate of it (through RecordItNow UI) to 200. But that only provides ogv videos that are not accepted by youtube, so I converted the ogv to webm with VLC, to obtain a video of same quality but something like one third of its size :) Regards Ricardo Sincerely, Armin On 14.06.2013 16:20, RGB ES wrote: 2013/6/14 Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com Hi Rory, Thanks a lot! I can now reproduce, recativated the task and I am on it ;-) You are fast! While I was submitting a short screencast to the report, you fixed it! Many thanks!! Regards Ricardo Sincerely, Armin On 14.06.2013 15:47, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:43:22 +0100 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:24:43 +0200 Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Ricardo, as I already wrote in #122456# I am very surprised how something like that can happen. I would be happy to be able to reproduce this. Could you give a step-by-step description and infos about machine/system running on? Maybe put it directly in the task and write that you canks in advance! Sincerely, Armin On 14.06.2013 15:08, RGB ES wrote: Just draw a thick line and see if you can reproduce this http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Draw-341vs400.pnghttp://people.apache.org/~rgb-**es/Draw-341vs400.png http://**people.apache.org/~rgb-es/**Draw-341vs400.pnghttp://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Draw-341vs400.png On the left, 3.4.1, on the right, 4.0. As you can see, handlers are misplaced on 4.0. There is also a lot of noise when you move an object around con 4.0 http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Draw-400noise.pnghttp://people.apache.org/~rgb-**es/Draw-400noise.png http://**people.apache.org/~rgb-es/**Draw-400noise.pnghttp://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Draw-400noise.png This problem is absent on 3.4.1. I'm testing the 64 bits Linux build. From the Help → About AOO400m2(Build:9701) - Rev. 1491860 2013-06-11 15:16:25 (Tue, 11 Jun 2013) - Linux x86_64 Refreshing the screen with Ctrl-Shift-R fix the second problem, but not the first one. I cannot find any related issue in bugzilla. One user on ES forums reported that boxes like font name/size are not repainting for him, but I cannot reproduce that. Regards Ricardo -- ALG I have just tested this and I'm getting the same effect using AOO 4.0.2 (buld 1489073) on Xubuntu 12.10. Also, with a wide line (24pt) the corners of the line away from the green handles are clipped (bevelled) perhaps by the bounding box of the selection. Also, draw a rectangle or square using the thick line. The four lines are offset from the desired position: that is the wide line is being drawn to one side of the target position, instead of being centred on it, and the top and left lines are the correct width, but the bottom and right lines are narrower. Using the sidepanel, I am only able to alter the line width using the spin buttons (up/down arrows beside the width selector. I cannot highlight ad enter a value direct into the line width selector. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie I follow up immediately to say that Draw prints and Exports as PDF correctly, so the problem is probably localisable to the display module. -- ALG --** --**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**a**pache.orghttp://apache.org dev-unsubscribe@**openoffice.apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Need commit help
2013/5/23 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de Hi Jürgen, Jürgen Schmidt schrieb: On 5/22/13 7:27 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Ariel, thank you for correcting it. I have seen the wrong flag in my local source now. I hope, I remember next time, that inside Cygwin is not Windows and I have to use ls -l and not dir. Does it mean we have now a minimal help file for the sidebar and I should or can finally update the help translation project? Yes, I have decided to wait no longer for improvement suggestions and have committed it. It is only a single page about the sidebar window itself. Improvements and introducing the missing tooltips inside the panels can be done later. Looking at the ES build, I can see that the sidebar page on the bundled help is not localized. In fact this page it's not even on pootle yet (checked for ES and IT) so it cannot be translated. Will be there on next iteration? Regards Ricardo Kind regards Regina --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Orientation page - Writer
2013/6/11 Henry Tiquet Leyva henry.tiquet.le...@gmail.com Hello everyone, I would like begin to modify the AOO code and I think to begin with the page orientation (Writer). The idea is to create a button on the toolbar for change the page orientation with a click. I would like to know what code manipulates the orientation page in Writer. Please, note that on Writer there is no direct formatting for pages, they can only be formatted through page styles. To insert a different page layout between two other pages you need to insert two page breaks with change of page style. Maybe this feature request is of interest for you ;) Bug 119355 - Making Page Breaks more visible and easy to modify https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119355 Regards Ricardo Regards.
Re: Draft blog post: Selling and Buying OpenOffice CDs
2013/6/11 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org wrote: Okay, got it now. Under the circs, then, do you still want it proofed? At this point, looking more for content/message review. Does this answer the questions that we are receiving? Any additional points we should make? Checksum verification, perhaps? Apache does not warrant or guarantee anything Not Invented Here, so to make certain your purchased copy is correct you can follow the steps linked here? That's an important one. Unfortunately getting someone (non-Linux user) to install an MD5 checksum tool is non-trivial and as such will tend not to be done. Something I've wondered ... Is it possible at all to implement a checksum calculator that runs locally in Javascript? The tool would ask the user to browse for their download, calc the checksum, and then, based on the filename, retrieve the expected checksum from the website and compare the two. Until we make it as easy as that I think end-users will never do it. There is a firefox extension that provides checksums. I'm not sure how it works, though. Regards Ricardo -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Discuss][Wiki]Synchronizing (or not) localized wiki sites [was: Fwd: [UserGuide]My roadmap]
2013/6/9 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org On 08/06/2013 RGB ES wrote: At this point, I think we all agree that we have a bit of a license mess that needs to be fixed in order to clarify the documentation project. So here is one possible idea: 1- Move the current /Documentation page to /Documentation-OLD or /Documentation-LEGACY(1), indicating at the begining that the content is outdated 2- Create a new portal page on the old url with the characteristic described bellow This could work. But I'm tired of seeing Legacy notices everywhere. I'd prefer to call the legacy stuff Documentation-3 or something related to version 3. Agree. Calling it Documentation-3 is perfect. And new stuff should not be Documentation-AOO but simply Documentation. Sure, that was the original idea. I just mentioned Documentation-AOO as a transitional page where we can work without hurry, and then move the pages to their right positions. From Tuesday I'll start to work on the Draw guide, someone that can help me with the portal page? I can do it myself, of course, but only on a couple of weeks. Regards Ricardo Apache OpenOffice is not a guest on the wiki, it is the main subject of the wiki, so it is redundant to say in the title that wiki pages discuss Apache OpenOffice. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Discuss][Wiki]Synchronizing (or not) localized wiki sites [was: Fwd: [UserGuide]My roadmap]
(top posting, because I'm not answering any particular post) At this point, I think we all agree that we have a bit of a license mess that needs to be fixed in order to clarify the documentation project. So here is one possible idea: 1- Move the current /Documentation page to /Documentation-OLD or /Documentation-LEGACY(1), indicating at the begining that the content is outdated 2- Create a new portal page on the old url with the characteristic described bellow Characteristics for the new portal * Introduction to the project, how to contact the group and participate, pending tasks lists, etc. * Links to the new, Apache licensed documentation (user guide, building guide, etcetera) indicating that it's a work in progress and that new contributors are welcomed. * Add a section that points to the legacy page. Something like Apache OpenOffice inherited not only the code from former OpenOffice.org project, but also a huge amount of documentation. Some of those documents are still valid, some don't, but you can find all of them here. Once this new structure is in place for the main EN site, propagate it to other languages will be easier than fixing current PDL licensed pages. What do you think? (1) Maybe it's better to first create the new portal on /Documentation-AOO, when that new page is ready move /Documentation to /Documentation-Legacy, then move /Documentation-AOO to /Documentation Regards Ricardo 2013/6/5 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org I don't believe the ASF iCLA I filed stipulates anything about ALv2, although it certainly stipulates what my contributions grant to the ASF and to anyone who receives my contribution via the ASF. (Note that the grant to recipients is directly from me, via the iCLA, no matter what the ALv2 says.) My comment is mainly with respect to pages on the wiki that are covered by licenses other than the ALv2 and what contributing any modifications to them entails, no matter what the ASF gets from me under the terms of my iCLA. Of course, a click-through registration that asserts ALv2 for contributions is fine, although the ASF and recipients still have more rights than that for any contribution I make. The current statement about treating materials not under the default license still applies and I suspect a form of that has to remain in any click-through on registration. The iCLA doesn't (and can't) alter that situation. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 01:24 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: l...@openoffice.apache.org; d...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [Discuss][Wiki]Synchronizing (or not) localized wiki sites [was: Fwd: [UserGuide]My roadmap] On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: +1 I prepared my response before I saw this one. There is still need to be careful around this: However, when we create new material, including enhancements Of existing material, then we need to respect the ICLA which says our contributions are made under ALv2. This might mean that going forward that modified content is covered by multiple licenses. 1. When enhancing existing materials, the existing license must be honored. How additional licensing works depends on the specific Conditions. It should not be automatically assumed possible. 2. Since our having accounts on the wiki are subject to the rules for The wiki, I'm not sure the ICLA governs (1). As committers, we certainly shouldn't be asserting any other license, but the current license on the work is going to determine whether and how the ALv2 can be introduced. The ICLA says: Contribution shall mean any original work of authorship, including any modifications or additions to an existing work, that is intentionally submitted by You to the Foundation for inclusion in, or documentation of, any of the products owned or managed by the Foundation (the Work). For the purposes of this definition, submitted means any form of electronic, verbal, or written communication sent to the Foundation or its representatives, including but not limited to communication on electronic mailing lists, source code control systems, and issue tracking systems that are managed by, or on behalf of, the Foundation for the purpose of discussing and improving the Work, but excluding communication that is conspicuously marked or otherwise designated in writing by You as Not a Contribution. So I think that covers wiki contributions as well since that is documentation of, yes? -Rob -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:28 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: l...@openoffice.apache.org; d...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [Discuss][Wiki]Synchronizing (or not) localized
Re: Draft blog post: When will OpenOffice version X be released?
2013/6/6 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=when_will_openoffice_version_x Since we get this question frequently, I thought it would be good to have a canonical response we can point people to. +1! It needs some editing, but mainly looking for content feedback initially. I like it! Clear and to the point. I'm sure some people that use a different development method will take it bad, but that cannot be helped. As a friend of mine always say: I'm only responsible for what I say not for what others understand. Regards Ricardo -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
2013/6/3 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org This is a vote to pick the logo for Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This is the next step in a a multi-month long process that saw over 40 logos submitted, weeks of discussion, several iterations of refinement, and a poll of over 5000 users. Voters are asked to indicate their top 5 choices, with the 1st Choice being the one that you prefer the most, the 2nd choice being your alternate preference, etc. The votes will be scored using the Instant Run-Off Voting procedure [1]. Please use enter your preferences using logo names from one of the following sources: A) The logos that were refined by their designers after the logo survey: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Stage+2+Logo+Refinement B) The table of all logos used in the survey: http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/ C) A URL to any other logo that you prefer D) The string none of the above if you prefer not to change the logo at all from what we have in AOO 3.4.1. For example, a voter might vote: 1st Choice: Kevin Grignon B 2nd Choice: Chris Rottensteiner 3rd Choice: Logo-37 4th Choice: none of the above 5th Choice: http://www.robweir.com/blog/images/s1097.png The vote will run for 72-hours, until 1100 EDT on June 6th. Everyone is welcome to vote, though only PMC votes are binding. Regards, -Rob [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting -- HERE IS THE BALLOT: My ranked preferences for the AOO 4.0 logo are: 1st Choice: 2nd Choice: 3rd Choice: 4th Choice: 5th Choice: - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org 1st Choice: Non of the above (still prefer the current one) 2nd Choice: *Samer Mansour* 3rd Choice: *Chris Rottensteiner* 4th Choice: *Kevin Grignon A* 5th Choice: *Kevin Grignon B* Regards Ricardo
Fwd: [Discuss][Wiki]Synchronizing (or not) localized wiki sites [was: Fwd: [UserGuide]My roadmap]
Ops! I forgot to add dev and doc as CC... -- Forwarded message -- From: RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com Date: 2013/6/3 Subject: Re: [Discuss][Wiki]Synchronizing (or not) localized wiki sites [was: Fwd: [UserGuide]My roadmap] To: l...@openoffice.apache.org 2013/6/3 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org On 02/06/2013 RGB ES wrote: (Top posting, CC to dev, doc and l10n, not sure on which one it is better to continue the discussion) Do we want to clone, for example, the documentation section on all the localized sites, just translating it? On Sun times that was the idea, with sub sites (portals) like http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**Documentationhttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/DE/**Documentationhttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Documentation http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/FR/**Documentationhttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/FR/Documentation etc looking almost the same on all languages. This can work. We also have this other infrastructure in place http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Main_Testhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Test added by Claudio a few months ago. See http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Template:Langhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Template:Lang to see how it works. I don't know which approach is best for our case. As for keeping subsites synchronized, in theory this allows to have a Master copy in English and then translate it in the various languages as volunteers become available. In practice, we can't stop someone from editing or creating a translated page to add new content in a language only, but ideally this would imply that the English version is updated to reflect the changes too. AFAIK, right now the only of those sub sites updated recently is the French one, though: several of those portals do not see activity since years. Yes, but this does not mean that they are completely outdated: information in those pages is still current and relevant in most cases, and I think it makes sense to continue using it rather than starting clean there too (unless there are plans for a major rewrite). All those portal pages are under PDL license (look at the categories at the bottom of those pages). If we want to promote new wiki content under Apache license, this means a problem. If I read this page right http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.html PDL is a sort of copyleft license. Re-license those pages is not possible without the explicit consent of the author, and those pages are so old that contact the authors is almost impossible. Suppose we update those pages to point to the new material. A potential contributor (or just a casual reader) will see the PDL notice on the portal page, and no notice on the new pages: from the user perspective, does this means that the new page is also under PDL? We know it isn't, but this could be a cause of confusion, IMO. So, which is the best way to work around this problem? Reimplement those pages, making a clear separation between new material (under Apache) and legacy content? Regards Ricardo Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgl10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-help@openoffice.apache.**orgl10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[WWW]There is no contact information on the wiki
One user on the forums report problems registering on the wiki(1), but did not find how to report those problems or just ask for help. A contact info page is missing from the wiki. Which is the best way to implement it? (1) http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=62022 Regards Ricardo
[Discuss][Wiki]Synchronizing (or not) localized wiki sites [was: Fwd: [UserGuide]My roadmap]
(Top posting, CC to dev, doc and l10n, not sure on which one it is better to continue the discussion) Moving the discussion to its own thread, see below for a copy of the previous messages or better here: http://markmail.org/message/x6wntz5nwefj7ko3 (just skip the first message that had a completely different purpose...) The original thread shows two problems. I'll not talk about the first one here (to not communicate what someone is doing, at the risk of waste the efforts of someone else that it's working on the same task). The second problem, the one considered here, is about how do we want to organize the wiki. Do we want to clone, for example, the documentation section on all the localized sites, just translating it? On Sun times that was the idea, with sub sites (portals) like http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Documentation http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/FR/Documentation etc looking almost the same on all languages. AFAIK, right now the only of those sub sites updated recently is the French one, though: several of those portals do not see activity since years. I don't think that this cloning is possible or even desirable. Of course an easy way to arrive to the same resources on the different languages *is* desirable, and for this purpose a consolidated directory structure is certainly useful, but if instead of /ES/Documentation we use /ES/Manuales I cannot really see the problem. Also, there is the problem that the content available on those old sites is mainly outdated, build by a third party project and some(many)times with the wrong license. Do we want to update that content or start almost from scratch with the new user guide under Apache license, moving old content to a legacy section? Of course starting from scratch is more work, but updating documents with a cocktail of licenses will be a problem too. And note that starting from scratch does not mean trashing old content, it's just saying this is the old content, maybe it's still useful, but we are working on the new one here. I think this was briefly discussed before on the dev list (with no clear output), but I cannot find the original thread now. Regards Ricardo -- Forwarded message -- From: Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org Date: 2013/6/1 Subject: Re: [UserGuide]My roadmap To: OpenOffice Documentation d...@openoffice.apache.org On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:00 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/1 Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:23 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/1 Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org Is important to re-gain organization on the documentation project resources like: - ToDo List - Wishlist - Dashboard - Help process This resources althought outdated are pretty helpful for new and experienced contributors to organize the work going on. I generate a spanish version of the portal, but would need more than just cloning old information . http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Documentation Can you please use the ES mailing list to discuss whatever you want to do on the ES wiki FIRST of doing it? There is already a documentation section and a how to participate section here http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Manuales http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Participar If you look carefully you'll see other people beside me that started to work on the site several month ago. As a matter of fact, the Spanish user guide is more advanced than the English one (just see the macro section)... Following discussions on the ES mailing list, the ES wiki was completely cleaned up and rebuilt almost from scratch last year. This is not a ES related matter, but a localization convention on working and organizing languages on the Wiki. There is a PDL and Template for languages, in order to use the different localizations of the projects and the menu extensions labeled Other languages. Documentation or l10n lists is the only propper channels I can think on discussing this since is not only use by ES but the other languages. The content is also outdated on this project, not only on ES. The wishlist hasnt been updated since 2009 and there is already a *NeedsRework* category for the ToDo List. Only the French documentation page was updated recently, all the other localizations do not see work since several years so you are talking about a convention set on the old Sun times that nobody seems to follow now and thus not necessarily valid today. If you want to discuss this or other conventions please start a new thread. But even if we accept a general convention (something that did not happen yet) and even if we accept that this convention is not a matter for the ES list (!), to coordinate the work on the ES wiki IS something to discuss
Re: [Bugzilla]Documentation component?
2013/5/28 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 6:39 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/5/28 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 10:04:57PM +0200, RGB ES wrote: 2013/5/26 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 09:27:56PM +0200, RGB ES wrote: Recently, an user on the EN forum raised a valid question: which is the best way to report a bug not on how the program works but on the documentation? For example, Math have only two components, code and UI, but what happens if someone find an error on the bundled help? This used to be Product: documentation, Component: Online Help, as in https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120194 Yes, but if you click on New to create a new issue the product documentation is missing. It ended up in Infrastructure/documentation. Not sure if that makes sense, but that is where it is now. Maybe better is General/Bundled Help ? Or a per-product component for the same? I think on a per-product basis is more clear and easier to find. OK. I've added a component called help with the description, Use this component to report issues related to the bundled help files . Great! Many thanks! Regards Ricardo Regards, -Rob Regards Ricardo -Rob Yes, that's why the used to be ;) The option is also missing if you try to edit the product once created the bug. The category clean-up narrowed it too much, most of the bugs I submit end up in General - code. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Bugzilla]Documentation component?
2013/5/28 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 10:04:57PM +0200, RGB ES wrote: 2013/5/26 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 09:27:56PM +0200, RGB ES wrote: Recently, an user on the EN forum raised a valid question: which is the best way to report a bug not on how the program works but on the documentation? For example, Math have only two components, code and UI, but what happens if someone find an error on the bundled help? This used to be Product: documentation, Component: Online Help, as in https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120194 Yes, but if you click on New to create a new issue the product documentation is missing. It ended up in Infrastructure/documentation. Not sure if that makes sense, but that is where it is now. Maybe better is General/Bundled Help ? Or a per-product component for the same? I think on a per-product basis is more clear and easier to find. Regards Ricardo -Rob Yes, that's why the used to be ;) The option is also missing if you try to edit the product once created the bug. The category clean-up narrowed it too much, most of the bugs I submit end up in General - code. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Update of pages oo.o credits
2013/5/26 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org On 20/05/2013 Claudio Filho wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/**welcome/credits.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/welcome/credits.html IMHO, I think that the best is put a cut line and to restart this list, e.g., preserve this as a old page and in this new page putting a link to it. I see that Kay has now updated the page with an outdated notice, saying that current information is reachable from http://openoffice.apache.org/**people.htmlhttp://openoffice.apache.org/people.html This is good. It only leaves one problem: the current link we place in OpenOffice is to http://www.openoffice.org/**welcome/credits.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/welcome/credits.htmland it doesn't look nice that OpenOffice 4.0 points to a page that says This page is outdated. I see two solutions: 1) Preserve the link, move http://www.openoffice.org/** welcome/credits.html http://www.openoffice.org/welcome/credits.html to http://www.openoffice.org/**welcome/credits-ooo33.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/welcome/credits-ooo33.htmland move/copy http://openoffice.apache.org/**people.htmlhttp://openoffice.apache.org/people.htmlto http://www.openoffice.org/**welcome/credits.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/welcome/credits.html 2) Change the link in OpenOffice (and all translations) so that it points to http://openoffice.apache.org/**people.htmlhttp://openoffice.apache.org/people.html I think one of the two should be implemented. Solution #1 is heavier on the website side, solution #2 would be easier if we weren't in translation phase (even though it can probably be automatically done on all languages). About option 2, changing this is a matter of five seconds on pootle, so it is not a problem. But I think #1 is a better solution considering that we are talking about a page on the main site: maintaining everything up to date there, moving outdated material to a dedicated page is better, IMO. Regards Ricardo Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[Bugzilla]Documentation component?
Recently, an user on the EN forum raised a valid question: which is the best way to report a bug not on how the program works but on the documentation? For example, Math have only two components, code and UI, but what happens if someone find an error on the bundled help? I recommended to use code and write a tag on the summary like [Help] or [Documentation], but I'm not sure if this is the better approach. Note, under infrastructure product there is a documentation component, but everything on the infrastructure product points to the website, so almost nobody arrives there. Regards Ricardo
Re: [Bugzilla]Documentation component?
2013/5/26 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 09:27:56PM +0200, RGB ES wrote: Recently, an user on the EN forum raised a valid question: which is the best way to report a bug not on how the program works but on the documentation? For example, Math have only two components, code and UI, but what happens if someone find an error on the bundled help? This used to be Product: documentation, Component: Online Help, as in https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120194 Yes, but if you click on New to create a new issue the product documentation is missing. The available products are App Dev Base Build Tools Calc Draw General Impress Infrastructure Installation Internationalization Math Native-Lang Writer Regards Ricardo Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Find a better name for sidebar?
2013/5/23 Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de Hello, From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] Perhaps Toolpanel? Yes, maybe. What I really am looking for is a term _that can be used without translation into all languages_. That's quite difficult, I think. Just consider that French people use octet instead of byte... Maybe it's better to find a term that it's easy to translate... In fact, I had a bit of trouble translating deck into Spanish in a way that's easy to understand. Regards Ricardo Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE][TRANSLATION]: last update on UI project triggers again some reviews and changes
2013/5/22 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com 2013/5/22 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com Hi, it seems that I am the bearer of bad messages ;-) But you can believe me it's no fun for me as well to update this again and again. And it is the last planned update for AOO 4.0 We discussed some further changes on the About dialog, README, some last changes in the context of the sidebar ... and I did an update on the translation source files. I have already updated the AOO4.0 UI project on the Pootle server and the po files are available under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/translation/ I also have updated the extensions/source/preload.po for most languages already because it were 2 minor changes only, one url and a name change. I apologize in the name of the project to all volunteers who have to review again some strings. I hope we can improve the localization process in the future to minimize the effort for all of you. We should now focus to complete as many as possible languages for 4.0. I will include completed languages in the snapshots for more detailed testing. Juergen Working on the ES pootle ;) Now, it's 100% again ;) Regards Ricardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forum administration: attachments limit
2013/2/28 Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net Hi Andrea, The attachment quota is accessible to any admin of the NL forum. I do see the field in my admin panel but have never tried to change it. If the NL admins can't change it then we need imacat for that. But I understand that all users are locked if the problem is with the quota. There is no limitation per user (except the standard limit of 3 attachments per post, 128kB max for each). Hagar Le 28/02/2013 21:05, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : It seems that http://forum.openoffice.org has limitations on the number (or the aggregated size?) of attachments that a user can upload. Some quite active volunteers on the Italian forum have hit that limit and are now deleting old attachments to be able to upload new ones. Of course, this is a wrong solution. Can these limitations be raised? Other advice? It is important that volunteers can continue to upload attachments AND that old attachments are not removed, since they are often very useful. Discussion (Italian): http://forum.openoffice.org/** it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=**4003http://forum.openoffice.org/it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=4003 Regards, Andrea. Today we hit the problem of attachment limit on the ES forums too: all of a sudden it was not possible to attach any file because the forum reached the limit. I cleaned the orphan attachments but it was not enough so I raised the limit from 100 MiB to 150 MiB... but this is not a solution, just a delayed problem! From a server point of view, which is a limit that can be considered as reasonable? I prefer to not delete old attachments, but that option is something to consider too... BTW, which is the attachment limit set on EN forums? Regards Ricardo
Re: Forum administration: attachments limit
2013/5/20 janI j...@apache.org On 20 May 2013 17:56, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/28 Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net Hi Andrea, The attachment quota is accessible to any admin of the NL forum. I do see the field in my admin panel but have never tried to change it. If the NL admins can't change it then we need imacat for that. But I understand that all users are locked if the problem is with the quota. There is no limitation per user (except the standard limit of 3 attachments per post, 128kB max for each). Hagar Le 28/02/2013 21:05, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : It seems that http://forum.openoffice.org has limitations on the number (or the aggregated size?) of attachments that a user can upload. Some quite active volunteers on the Italian forum have hit that limit and are now deleting old attachments to be able to upload new ones. Of course, this is a wrong solution. Can these limitations be raised? Other advice? It is important that volunteers can continue to upload attachments AND that old attachments are not removed, since they are often very useful. Discussion (Italian): http://forum.openoffice.org/** it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=**4003 http://forum.openoffice.org/it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=4003 Regards, Andrea. Today we hit the problem of attachment limit on the ES forums too: all of a sudden it was not possible to attach any file because the forum reached the limit. I cleaned the orphan attachments but it was not enough so I raised the limit from 100 MiB to 150 MiB... but this is not a solution, just a delayed problem! From a server point of view, which is a limit that can be considered as reasonable? I prefer to not delete old attachments, but that option is something to consider too... BTW, which is the attachment limit set on EN forums? to be sure I just checked the disk capacity Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 19222656 9032384 9213736 50% / none 1023792 176 1023616 1% /dev none 1028652 0 1028652 0% /dev/shm none 102865252 1028600 1% /var/run none 1028652 0 1028652 0% /var/lock none 1028652 0 1028652 0% /lib/init/rw none 19222656 9032384 9213736 50% /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs /dev/mapper/ooo--forums--data--lvgroup-ooo--forums--data 15481840 8158656 6536752 56% /x1 Plenty of capacity, there also no quota limit on users at OS level, so this is a pure forum problem. Perfect! Thanks! Regards Ricardo rgds jan I. Regards Ricardo
[UI]Better use of space on Cross-Reference dialogue
On the EN forum you can find a mock-up that redistribute the Cross-Reference tab on Fields→Others dialogue, using the space in a far better way Link to the post http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=273543#p273543 link to the image http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=16977mode=view Is something like that possible/difficult/easy to do? It will be a huge improvement for complex documents. Regards Ricardo
[Pootle]Different behaviour on different browsers
Opening Pootle on Firefox, konqueror and Chromium, no matter is I'm logged-in or not, if I search for a text string or look at the tags for errors automatically detected by pootle I get different behaviours. On firefox and konqueror after some seconds I get, under the string the translation memory showing similar translations, but on the bottom right of the page the buttons to browse between the strings flash for a moment and then disappear. On Chromium the browse buttons remains and work, but the translation memory is never shown. On all, every now and then I can see a small unknown error notice that fade away in a couple of seconds. Try for example this simple search https://translate.apache.org/es/aoo40/translate.html#search=abrir%20archivosfields=source,target Can someone confirm this behaviour? The lack of browse buttons means that it is not possible to work on firefox: you cannot jump to the next string. Regards Ricardo
Re: [Pootle]Different behaviour on different browsers
2013/5/16 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 5/16/13 1:47 PM, RGB ES wrote: Opening Pootle on Firefox, konqueror and Chromium, no matter is I'm logged-in or not, if I search for a text string or look at the tags for errors automatically detected by pootle I get different behaviours. On firefox and konqueror after some seconds I get, under the string the translation memory showing similar translations, but on the bottom right of the page the buttons to browse between the strings flash for a moment and then disappear. On Chromium the browse buttons remains and work, but the translation memory is never shown. On all, every now and then I can see a small unknown error notice that fade away in a couple of seconds. Try for example this simple search https://translate.apache.org/es/aoo40/translate.html#search=abrir%20archivosfields=source,target Can someone confirm this behaviour? The lack of browse buttons means that it is not possible to work on firefox: you cannot jump to the next string. no I can't confirm, I use Firefox 20.0 on MacOS. I see the next button on the bottom right and can use it. Strange... I use firefox 20 too, but on openSUSE. Ricardo I see also 3 similar translations and can switch between them. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Pootle]Different behaviour on different browsers
2013/5/16 Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com Hi 2013/5/16 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com: On 5/16/13 1:47 PM, RGB ES wrote: Can someone confirm this behaviour? The lack of browse buttons means that it is not possible to work on firefox: you cannot jump to the next string. I do. I opened my space and opened any fuzzy/unstranslated string and appears the suggestion in Iceweasel (firefox in Debian) , where in Chromium (Chrome in Debian), don't shows. But can you see the browse buttons on Firefox? This is what I see: http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/PootleChromium.png http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/PootleFirefox.png Regards Ricardo With this fact, i will use firefox to translate to use this (IMHO, very useful) feature. Best, Claudio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Pootle]Different behaviour on different browsers
2013/5/16 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:47 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: Opening Pootle on Firefox, konqueror and Chromium, no matter is I'm logged-in or not, if I search for a text string or look at the tags for errors automatically detected by pootle I get different behaviours. Clear your browser cache? There might be cached Javascript? No, I already tried that... but I did not try something more obvious: enlarge the window. Buttons were there, but not visible because they do not had enough space to be shown. Oh, well. Jürgen, your screenshot was inspirational :) Sorry for the noise! Now everything is OK Regards Ricardo -Rob On firefox and konqueror after some seconds I get, under the string the translation memory showing similar translations, but on the bottom right of the page the buttons to browse between the strings flash for a moment and then disappear. On Chromium the browse buttons remains and work, but the translation memory is never shown. On all, every now and then I can see a small unknown error notice that fade away in a couple of seconds. Try for example this simple search https://translate.apache.org/es/aoo40/translate.html#search=abrir%20archivosfields=source,target Can someone confirm this behaviour? The lack of browse buttons means that it is not possible to work on firefox: you cannot jump to the next string. Regards Ricardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[WWW]The AOO blog gives a 502 Bad Gateway error
As in subject: the blog site is not working: Bad Gateway The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. Apache/2.0.63 Server at blogs.apache.org Port 443 Regards Ricardo
Re: [WWW]The AOO blog gives a 502 Bad Gateway error
2013/5/10 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com As in subject: the blog site is not working: Bad Gateway The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. Apache/2.0.63 Server at blogs.apache.org Port 443 It seems it's working now Regards Ricardo Regards Ricardo
Re: [Sidebar] Customization / features worth displaying
2013/5/7 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Done: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122250 Perhaps there should be a kind of brainstorming or poll about the features that should be in priority in the Sidebar. I'm not sure users polls are an accurate way to find out what users actually do. I wonder if we could consider an extension that would track what users do at an aggregate level, e.g., how many times they use menu X, dialog Y, toolbar icon Z, and report that. The most-used tasks not already on the sidebar would be good candidates. There was something like that bundled on OOo during Sun/Oracle days. I cannot remember the name right now, but was something like enhancement program. Regards Ricardo -Rob Hagar Le 07/05/2013 09:26, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann a écrit : Hi, On 06.05.2013 21:55, Hagar Delest wrote: Haven't filed any report about that yet, just some thought if you think they are worth something: - Customization: is it intended to make the sidebar customizable like the toolbars? - Among the important features in the paragraph properties, I think that the Keep with next paragraph has its place in the sidebar. This is often a direct formatting that depends on the text flow but that can't be given to any specific style for the main text (I'm not talking about headings of course). I think this is a valid request for enhancement - +1 from my side. From my point of view you should submit a corresponding issue. I assume that you have some information/statistic from users in the forum asking for this functionality to by easier accessible in the UI. Please include your experience regarding this functionality in the issue. Best regards, Oliver. Hagar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [sidebar] request for defect confirmation
2013/5/6 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, while investigating issue 122047 I figured out that the sidebar panels which contains controls which are hidden/shown/enabled/disabled in certain contexts are not reflecting the context dependency under Linux. These are the Text property panel, the Paragraph property panel and the Position and Size panel. Example working under Windows, but not under Linux in my environments: In the Text property panel the highlight color control should be hidden in Calc, Draw and Impress. This is not the case under Linux - at least in my environments. Can somebody please confirm my observation? I can. Also, as I just commented on the issue I can see the rotation controls for pictures on Writer, something that it's not implemented yet. Regards Ricardo Thanks in advance, Oliver. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proofing Tool GUI
2013/5/5 Marco A.G.Pinto marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt Hello my dear ones, A couple of days ago I was on IRC in #dev.openoffice.org chatting with JZA. I came up with the idea of creating a GUI to edit the thesaurus of AOO. JZA told me the files were in TXT format and gave me a URL with several information but I gave a quick look and didn't find anything about the data dictionary of the thesaurus. The tool will be called Proofing Tool GUI and will be coded in PureBasic. Is this a good name? PureBasic allows to compile in Windows/Linux/Mac/Amiga. The reason why I want to code it is because months ago I contacted my friends at Minho University in Portugal who are in charge of PT-pt and I wanted to send them words to be used as synonymous but they didn't know how to add them. This made me think that there isn't a tool for doing that, so my idea is good because it can be used by the whole community of developers. I unziped the Portuguese .OXT and grabbed the files: - th_pt_PT.idx - th_pt_PT.dat I opened them with Microsoft Expression Web 4 to keep the UTF-8 format but didn't understand completely how they work. For example, in the *.idx* one I had: UTF-8 12940 1|6 a cerca de|16097 a começar de|19986 a favor|32934 a partir de|67469 a respeito de|77248 ... etc... in the *.dat* one I had: UTF-8 1|3 -|anuviado -|aperitivo -|sigla ababelado|1 -|atrapalhado|baralhado|atarantado|desnorteado ababelar|1 -|baralhar|atrapalhar abaçanado|1 ... etc... It seems there are at least three levels of synonymous in the *.dat* one but I don't know how to interpret them if I create a GUI. Also, in the *.idx* one there are numbers too which I don't understand the meaning. Is there a URL which explains every detail of those files? Thanks! Kind regards from, Marco A.G.Pinto --- AFAIK, most AOO thesaurus are based on OpenThesaurus http://sourceforge.net/projects/openthesaurus/ which is already a working web interface to add words to a thesaurus database that can be exported to several formats, included the one used by AOO. There are localized projects that use openthes like http://openthesaurus.caixamagica.pt/ http://openthes-es.berlios.de/ http://synonimy.sourceforge.net/ http://www.openthesaurus.de/ http://www.openthesaurus.tk http://synonymer.merg.net/ The PT site seems quite old, but maybe you can find some tips there. There is an old article from Bruce Byfield here http://archive09.linux.com/articles/51675?tid=93 The problem with thesaurus and dictionaries in general is that they are far more than a simple list of words: you need to tell the system the possible variants, if it is a noun, a verb, if it's a real synonymous or just a similar word... Regards Ricardo --
Re: Proofing Tool GUI
2013/5/5 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com 2013/5/5 Marco A.G.Pinto marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt Hello my dear ones, A couple of days ago I was on IRC in #dev.openoffice.org chatting with JZA. I came up with the idea of creating a GUI to edit the thesaurus of AOO. JZA told me the files were in TXT format and gave me a URL with several information but I gave a quick look and didn't find anything about the data dictionary of the thesaurus. The tool will be called Proofing Tool GUI and will be coded in PureBasic. Is this a good name? PureBasic allows to compile in Windows/Linux/Mac/Amiga. The reason why I want to code it is because months ago I contacted my friends at Minho University in Portugal who are in charge of PT-pt and I wanted to send them words to be used as synonymous but they didn't know how to add them. This made me think that there isn't a tool for doing that, so my idea is good because it can be used by the whole community of developers. I unziped the Portuguese .OXT and grabbed the files: - th_pt_PT.idx - th_pt_PT.dat I opened them with Microsoft Expression Web 4 to keep the UTF-8 format but didn't understand completely how they work. For example, in the *.idx* one I had: UTF-8 12940 1|6 a cerca de|16097 a começar de|19986 a favor|32934 a partir de|67469 a respeito de|77248 ... etc... in the *.dat* one I had: UTF-8 1|3 -|anuviado -|aperitivo -|sigla ababelado|1 -|atrapalhado|baralhado|atarantado|desnorteado ababelar|1 -|baralhar|atrapalhar abaçanado|1 ... etc... It seems there are at least three levels of synonymous in the *.dat* one but I don't know how to interpret them if I create a GUI. Also, in the *.idx* one there are numbers too which I don't understand the meaning. Is there a URL which explains every detail of those files? Thanks! Kind regards from, Marco A.G.Pinto --- AFAIK, most AOO thesaurus are based on OpenThesaurus http://sourceforge.net/projects/openthesaurus/ The right URL is https://github.com/danielnaber/openthesaurus which is already a working web interface to add words to a thesaurus database that can be exported to several formats, included the one used by AOO. There are localized projects that use openthes like http://openthesaurus.caixamagica.pt/ http://openthes-es.berlios.de/ http://synonimy.sourceforge.net/ http://www.openthesaurus.de/ http://www.openthesaurus.tk http://synonymer.merg.net/ The PT site seems quite old, but maybe you can find some tips there. There is an old article from Bruce Byfield here http://archive09.linux.com/articles/51675?tid=93 The problem with thesaurus and dictionaries in general is that they are far more than a simple list of words: you need to tell the system the possible variants, if it is a noun, a verb, if it's a real synonymous or just a similar word... Regards Ricardo --
Re: [mwiki]Pictures are not displaying
2013/4/30 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net RGB ES wrote: If you pick any page on the wiki, pictures are not displayed, not even those from the templates: an error message is displayed instead. See for example here: http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/UserGuidehttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/**UIhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/UI but it's the same on any page. Regards Ricardo Ricardo; I noticed that earlier today and filed an issue in bugzilla. You can follow it here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122191https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122191 Thanks! It seems its working now. Regards Ricardo Regards Keith --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[mwiki]Pictures are not displaying
If you pick any page on the wiki, pictures are not displayed, not even those from the templates: an error message is displayed instead. See for example here: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/UI but it's the same on any page. Regards Ricardo
Re: Translation for AOO 4.0
(top posting) The discussion drifted apart from the original issue... Regarding documentation on the sidebar there is something to say, but please, consider the following just as an analysis of the actual situation, no complains from my part. The documentation team have a non small problem. Right now there are several good editors, but only one active writer: me. That's an unfortunate situation for a number of reasons. First of all I'm not a native English speaker so editors have more work. Also, I cannot write the whole guide by myself: base is far from my experience, I only seldom use Calc and I do not like presentation with transitions (always use static pdfs...). But more important to this topic is that I'm not able to understand how the online help system works. So the sad true is that nobody is working on the bundled help and unless someone takes the lead with a clear proposal nobody will work on it on the near future. Regards Ricardo 2013/4/25 janI j...@apache.org On 25 April 2013 19:42, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: On 4/25/2013 1:16 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/25/13 9:55 AM, janI wrote: On 25 April 2013 07:34, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/24/13 11:34 PM, janI wrote: On 24 April 2013 22:33, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, 24. April 2013 um 17:06 schrieb janI: On 24 April 2013 16:25, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/22/13 10:50 PM, janI wrote: On 22 April 2013 22:27, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com snip snip snip But again, if the general opinion is, that is better to keep a selfmade deadline and release a half finished product, it would not be fair of me to stand in the way. See above, I think we have to hold our deadlines to show confidence to the outside. But we can of course improve our planning in the future. Or we should think about a real train model where we release every 3 or 4 month. But where we maintain also a more stable branch where we fix mainly bugs and potential security fixes. this would be a good idea for minor/maintenance releases but not for a major release. However, it seems I am the only one with this concern, so I will silence myself. You are the voted in release maneger (which I highly support) so according the apache way, it is your call together with a majority vote is a release is acceptable. I simply volunteered to do this task, I am happy if somebody else steps in ;-) And in general I share your opinion that releases should not have 100% fixed dates but should more take the planned features into account. Fixed dates result often in poor software or poor quality. But I believe we have to find a compromise and what's possible and to show the necessary confidence to the public about the progress in the project and in the product. It's not easy ... Juergen Have we discussed, as a project, the tradeoffs that we are making here? On one hand we have solid decisions on the release made by Jürgen which trim features, but lead to a predictable, stable, and complete release. On the other hand, we have we have the reasonable question by Jan, as to whether there is an alternative approach that sacrifices the schedule (i.e. pushing back release date) for the features. My question is Do we have a solid understanding of this trade-off, and should we make this decision as a project? To me there are three major changes that would be good to be in AOO 4.0 which are currently in jeopardy: * Accessibility - the integration of iA2 - work is ongoing. This has a major impact on the product, and the ability of large corporations and governmental agencies to embrace the product. This is important to me. * New Translation Infrastructure - this is the major change to use the po files directly in the code, the consolidation of the poo files, to me this is nice to have, but does not afftect end-users. and the new pootle server infrastructure. Is ready in approx. 1 week. * Brand Refresh - this work is moving along now, but there is some question as to how much of this project can be completed in the timeframe necessary. (logo + icons/resources + full brand/splash screens + color schemes + ??) This is to a must for 4.0, we cannot change brand with 4.01 I see a few directions that this could go: 1. Follow the current trajectory and push off a significant amount of originally planned 4.0 work to 4.1 2. Push off the release by 3 months and get all of these features in completely We're coming into summertime and vacations. Nothing happens 3 months from now. 3. Hold the release
[sidebar]Bug 122049: Text displayed on Properties deck when no object is selected
From enhancement request 122049 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122049 With the sidebar enabled, on a Draw document with no object selected the Properties deck shows no controls and only displays the following text Properties for the task that you are performing are not available in the sidebar at this time This text is a bit misleading, because it is not clear that you only need to select an object to see something there. I'm no native English speaker so I'm not able to provide a good alternative for that text. Something like Please, select an object to access its properties comes to my mind, but for sure there is a better wording. Suggestions? Regards Ricardo
Re: openoffice|ooffice|office instead soffice?
2013/4/24 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Claudio Filho wrote: I remember that some time ago started a discuss about the change of binary name soffice (and its others names - scalc, sdraw, etc) by other that not *s*office, and I not remember the final of this novel. It is a fact that soffice has been outdated for about 10 years. But previous discussions on the topics showed that, while it would be feasible to rename the alias, there are documented procedures that still rely on the name soffice when they must launch/connect to OpenOffice. I can't be more precise at the moment, but if you need further details I may dig a bit. If legacy procedures are the main problem, what about a transition period? If I understand it right, the aliases are just scripts that run the right binary, is it possible to have more than one alias? If yes, let's say that during 4.x life cycle we have soffice AND aoo, both launching the program, and then on 5.0 we drop soffice. Does something like that makes sense or is just more a trouble than a solution? Regards Ricardo Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] AOO forum in pt-br
2013/4/24 Albino B Neto bino...@gmail.com 2013/4/19 Albino B Neto bino...@gmail.com: The problem is with the language Portuguese Brazil have many complex in its grammar, as the same problem occurred in the creation of mailing. I'm not a language expert, but as an outsider I don't see the differences between Brazilian and Portugal Portuguese bigger than the differences between all Spanish variants. Or between English variants: who said that Britain and America are two nations divided by a common language? But even in this situation we only have *one* English forum. Yes, there are some grammar and spelling differences, but I do not think that communication is impossible between the two nations. I mean, there are words that are pretty innocent in Spain but became nasty and heavy bad words in Latin America... but we still communicate on *one* forum, and we understand each other without problems. Create or not ? As I previously said, I like the idea of a Portuguese forum. What I do not like is the idea of two Portuguese forums. Just my 2¢ Regards Ricardo Albino - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Sidebar
2013/4/21 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: Those working on the Sidebar may find it of interest to look at that in KWord http://www.kde.org/applications/office/kword/ That's a nice looking interface. Note that kword is not being actively developed anymore, most koffice developers are on calligra suite: http://www.calligra-suite.org/ Regards Ricardo -Rob -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] AOO forum in pt-br
2013/4/18 Albino B Neto bino...@gmail.com Hi I would like to propose a forum PT-BR[1]. Why not a generic Portuguese forum instead of a Brazilian focused one? The Spanish forum, for example, covers all Spain and Latin American users. Also, a better time-zone coverage helps to fight spam ;) Other than that, a +1 from me: every step that makes our community greater and more comfortable is welcomed. 1 - forum.openoffice.org/pt-br/forum/ We have a general geral-ptbr@, but it would be an interesting forum also. But I think it would be an option for us, as there is in Brazil users who prefer it. I can be adm/mod. It's better to start with at least two persons as active moderators. That could be the admin and one general moderator, for example. Otherwise, there is a high risk of ending with a big lock like the VI forums: spam is a *real* problem. Regards Ricardo Albino - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: weekly developer snapshots
2013/4/16 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:46:10AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: MacOS and Windows snapshot builds are uploaded. Keep in mind that it is a build with system integration. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshotfullsets Linux builds are there too. The ARC column contains archived installations, no need to install RPMs/DEBs, simply untar the archive. I tried a couple of times to download the ARC file but failed: kget complains that cannot check the integrity and in fact the checksums do not match. The rpm pack downloaded without problems. Regards Ricardo Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Sidebar merged into trunk
2013/4/15 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com 2013/4/14 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com 2013/4/14 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:02:40PM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Ricardo, On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 03:15:01AM +0200, RGB ES wrote: The sidebar is just gorgeous! The Properties deck on Draw is a blessing! I'm trying the dev builds and the sidebar works almost perfectly. I filled two reports and one request for small problems I found, (bugs 122047, 122048 and 122049), but overall it is a huge step forward on the UI. Congratulations! I cannot reproduce https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122047 nor https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122048 (see http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/sidebar/paraprops.png) May be you got an incremental build from the build bot that screwed things up. I've just seen https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122052 Not reproducible by Regina, nor with my build from current trunk. That build bot's builds are indeed screwed up. OK, I just asked some friends to test the builds from the build bot on other systems to confirm that it's a problem from the build bot and not some gremlin on my system. Without surprise, my friend confirmed the problem with the Linux binary from the build bot. Do I need to close the issues? Regards Ricardo Maybe there are some gremlins after all... I downloaded the build made by Ariel from here http://people.apache.org/~arielch/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/ (rpm: as commented on other thread I cannot download the ARC build), installed it (without the desktop integration, though) fresh with a clean profile and obtained exactly the same problems as before with the buildbot: the sub and superscript buttons on sidebar do not work, the icons on the Paragraph panel are on the wrong place and the sidebar navigator on Draw and Impress show nothing... Can someone else download the Linux packages and check if they work? Regards Ricardo May be we should coordinate a weekly Developer Snapshot from now on, this will also make things easier for QA people. +1!! Regards Ricardo Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Sidebar merged into trunk
2013/4/14 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com 2013/4/14 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:02:40PM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Ricardo, On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 03:15:01AM +0200, RGB ES wrote: The sidebar is just gorgeous! The Properties deck on Draw is a blessing! I'm trying the dev builds and the sidebar works almost perfectly. I filled two reports and one request for small problems I found, (bugs 122047, 122048 and 122049), but overall it is a huge step forward on the UI. Congratulations! I cannot reproduce https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122047 nor https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122048 (see http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/sidebar/paraprops.png) May be you got an incremental build from the build bot that screwed things up. I've just seen https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122052 Not reproducible by Regina, nor with my build from current trunk. That build bot's builds are indeed screwed up. OK, I just asked some friends to test the builds from the build bot on other systems to confirm that it's a problem from the build bot and not some gremlin on my system. Without surprise, my friend confirmed the problem with the Linux binary from the build bot. Do I need to close the issues? Regards Ricardo May be we should coordinate a weekly Developer Snapshot from now on, this will also make things easier for QA people. +1!! Regards Ricardo Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Sidebar merged into trunk
2013/4/10 Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com Hi community, the first phase of the sidebar development is complete. The sidebar is now feature complete, ie all panels that are planned for the 4.0 release are now available. More importantly: we have just merged the sidebar branch into trunk. That means that from now on, every build of trunk will contain the sidebar. It is active by default and ready for use. The next phase will concentrate on two things: - Improving usability and appearance. - Finding and fixing bugs. Everyone of you can help with both points: please try out the sidebar and tell us about everything that does not work or that you don't like. If you find an error then please look at [1] to see if something like this is already known. If not, please write a new issue for it. For everything else we have this mailing list. Best regards, Andre The sidebar is just gorgeous! The Properties deck on Draw is a blessing! I'm trying the dev builds and the sidebar works almost perfectly. I filled two reports and one request for small problems I found, (bugs 122047, 122048 and 122049), but overall it is a huge step forward on the UI. Congratulations! Regards Ricardo --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Sidebar merged into trunk
2013/4/10 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 4/10/13 3:45 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: janI wrote: On 10 April 2013 11:48, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi community, the first phase of the sidebar development is complete. The sidebar is now feature complete, ie all panels that are planned for the 4.0 release are now available. More importantly: we have just merged the sidebar branch into trunk. That means that from now on, every build of trunk will contain the sidebar. It is active by default and ready for use. The next phase will concentrate on two things: - Improving usability and appearance. - Finding and fixing bugs. Everyone of you can help with both points: please try out the sidebar and tell us about everything that does not work or that you don't like. If you find an error then please look at [1] to see if something like this is already known. If not, please write a new issue for it. For everything else we have this mailing list. Congratulations with the big work to everyone that participated ! A small question is someone looking at documenting this new feature, including online doc ? rgds jan I. Best regards, Andre --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Jan; The documentation team is planing on adding this to our online user guides. Now that it is has been merged into trunk We can take a closer look on what is needed. perfect, good to hear that. And having updated user documentation is very important. Does anybody of you have experience with our online help? I am personally no fiend of our help system but I am sure it is used. Would be good to find a way to include the sidebar ... Some time ago I asked the same and Regina provided some links http://markmail.org/message/dozivgev75b7znhd Regards Ricardo Juergen Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: LanguageTool have problems on dev builds (no context menu suggestions)
2013/4/7 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org RGB ES wrote: I just noticed that the LanguageTool extension(1) have some problems on both, the latest builds from the build bot and the one layer build from Jürgen, but it works without issues on 3.4.1 so it's not a problem with the extension but with AOO. It's not necessarily a problem in OpenOffice; it might be that LanguageTool has problems with some backwards-incompatible changes done in OpenOffice. To start, I would recommend to make the extension developers aware of it: http://www.languagetool.org/ asking them to write to this list if they need additional information. OK, I've sent an email to one of the main developers. Regards Ricardo Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: LanguageTool have problems on dev builds (no context menu suggestions)
2013/4/7 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org RGB ES wrote: I just noticed that the LanguageTool extension(1) have some problems on both, the latest builds from the build bot and the one layer build from Jürgen, but it works without issues on 3.4.1 so it's not a problem with the extension but with AOO. It's not necessarily a problem in OpenOffice; it might be that LanguageTool has problems with some backwards-incompatible changes done in OpenOffice. There is list of those changes? The release notes talks about an unified menu API and points to this issue https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121542 but I'm not sure about the meaning of that. Regards Ricardo To start, I would recommend to make the extension developers aware of it: http://www.languagetool.org/ asking them to write to this list if they need additional information. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice blog planets all dead - is there a new one?
2013/4/8 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com http://www.openoffice.org/editorial/blogs.html This page is seriously out of date. In particular, there's four blog planets listed there, none of which are operational. Is there a new blog planet? Should there be? Exactly one year ago there was a thread about a planet AOO: http://markmail.org/message/u4qxggwpfgw4ij2h Regards Ricardo - d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[Default settings]Selecting a java environment
I think there is already a bug report for this, but I cannot find it right now. When you perform a new install with a new profile, under the menu Options → OpenOffice → Java you have the Use Java runtime environment checkbox selected, but *none* of the available java environments listed below is checked: you need to explicitly click on the radio button to the left of one of the java version. This confuse new users, specially if they have only one java environment on their systems, because they do not realize that there is a radio button there and think that the first checkbox should be enough, not understanding why base or other java based components/extensions do not work. See for example this thread on the forum: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=60830 Is it possible to make AOO automatically select one of the listed java environments? Or at least to make more clear that no jvm is selected? Regards Ricardo
LanguageTool have problems on dev builds (no context menu suggestions)
I just noticed that the LanguageTool extension(1) have some problems on both, the latest builds from the build bot and the one layer build from Jürgen, but it works without issues on 3.4.1 so it's not a problem with the extension but with AOO. To test the problem, after installing the extension and restarting AOO type some text with grammar errors like a repeated word. The grammar error will be underlined with a blue wavy line on all versions, but if you right click on it you'll get suggestions only on 3.4.1, not on the 4.0 dev builds. Running the full spell and grammar check (F7) will work, only the context menu have problems and only for grammar errors: a right click over a spell error will show suggestions. I'm testing the 64 bits Linux builds. I did not fill an issue yet because I'm not sure which product do I need to use (extensions, Writer, lingucomponent, other?) (1) http://languagetool.org/ Regards Ricardo
Re: [Wiki]Trouble with math extension on one particular page
2013/4/3 janI j...@apache.org On 3 April 2013 01:27, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/29 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 07:27:30PM +0100, RGB ES wrote: If you look at this page http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Manuales/GuiaAOO/TemasAvanzados/Macros/StarBasic/TrabajandoConCalc/FuncionesPersonalizadas you'll see that all math objects are failing to parse. That's quite strange because other pages using the same extension are working just perfectly. Any idea? It seems a recurrent problem, described in the manual: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Enable_TeX/problems#Error_:_Failed_to_parse_.28Missing_texvc_executable.29 (that said, I've no idea about all this stuff, it's just the first search result in Google). I just tried to create a new page with math objects and they fail too. It seems old pages are displayed right because of the heavy use of cache on mwiki, but any new page gives the failed to parse error. I filled a bug report for this: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121992 Regards Ricardo Just saw the bugzilla report. We have no php error to that subject so it is something within mwiki, I will investigate when I come around to doing the mwiki bugs. Thanks! Is it real urgent ? Well, at least on the ES wiki there are a couple of pages that are not easy to understand right now. The problem is important, but maybe not critical. Regards Ricardo rgds Jan I. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: [Wiki]Trouble with math extension on one particular page
2013/3/29 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 07:27:30PM +0100, RGB ES wrote: If you look at this page http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Manuales/GuiaAOO/TemasAvanzados/Macros/StarBasic/TrabajandoConCalc/FuncionesPersonalizadas you'll see that all math objects are failing to parse. That's quite strange because other pages using the same extension are working just perfectly. Any idea? It seems a recurrent problem, described in the manual: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Enable_TeX/problems#Error_:_Failed_to_parse_.28Missing_texvc_executable.29 (that said, I've no idea about all this stuff, it's just the first search result in Google). I just tried to create a new page with math objects and they fail too. It seems old pages are displayed right because of the heavy use of cache on mwiki, but any new page gives the failed to parse error. I filled a bug report for this: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121992 Regards Ricardo Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
[Wiki]Trouble with math extension on one particular page
If you look at this page http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Manuales/GuiaAOO/TemasAvanzados/Macros/StarBasic/TrabajandoConCalc/FuncionesPersonalizadas you'll see that all math objects are failing to parse. That's quite strange because other pages using the same extension are working just perfectly. Any idea? Thanks! Regards Ricardo
Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
2013/3/24 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org On 22/03/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: What I like about the sidebar: ... - Increase/Decrease font buttons will please a lot of users! Indeed. And another way to make lots of users happy, and show that the sidebar is not only a new interface but also a way to implement new features, would be to include the output of Tools - Word Count (not the button, which might still be useful though) in the sidebar. Is this technically feasible? Real time word count? Yes, this will make lots of users happy! Regards Ricardo Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: What is our current best recommendation for 3.4.1 random crashes?
2013/3/21 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Users report that they install 3.4.1and it crashes quickly after starting. Reinstall doesn't help. Currently we point users to a forum post explaining how to rename or remove the profile. This beyond the skill level of most users. oh gee! Well maybe we should have a look at these posts and improve them, put them somewhere else -- on the wiki? I wouldn't think removing a profile file would beyond the skill level of most users. It depends: the profile is in a hidden folder and most users are afraid of changing system settings. In fact, on mac systems hidden folders are really hidden, and a non experienced user will not know how to open them without a lot of google search. A possibility is to add a small app to AOO package that can be launched independently of AOO, check if AOO is running and close it to then rename the profile (AFAIK, firefox have something like that)... but of course, someone needs to build that app. Regards Ricardo Is that the best we have now for a recommendation? I thought Oliver found out that this was related to update checks. Does disabling auto-updates work as a fix? Well it might, I would think, but is this desirable? -Rob - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- MzK Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin.
Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
2013/3/21 Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com Hello everybody, The two most important improvements since my last update: - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position and Size, Graphics, Page) - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by placeholders for the time being. More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page [1]. The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it. But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform. But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on important documents. If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for each context. Have fun, Andre [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebarhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Buildshttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QAhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says ...rom_en... instead of ...rpm_en... Anyway, downloading right now :) Regards Ricardo
Re: What is our best recommendation for 3.4.1 spell checking not working?
2013/3/21 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:00:26 -0400 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Users report that they install 3.4.1 and spell checking is not working. Redd squiggly lines under every word. Currently we point users to an exhaustive and exhausting list of possible remedies for this on the Forum. Very unhelpful, IMHO. I assume that in reality there is one predominate cause and solution to this issue rather than a dozen. So what is the most-likely to work solution? I'd like to point the users to that first, and then the exhaustive list as a back up. Subject to confirmation by Hagar and RGB (and other Forum activists), as far as I am aware most Spellcheck problems are cured by deleting or renaming the User Profile. Mostly the problems arise from finger trouble - Users trying to outguess OpenOffice. Some typical recent examples: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121891 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121887 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121879 We think these are profile issues? I thought there was another issue where we had duplicate English dictionaries installed? That was for 3.4.0, 3.4.1 fixed that problem. Regards Ricardo -Rob -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: A question about existing practices
2013/3/19 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher: There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are more in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I trust their judgement. as a longtime OpenOffice-user (since StarWriter 2.0), I think that in this case, Rob is wrong and resetting the votes would be something like an offense to us, the old users, who wrote and commented issues or voted for issues for many years. I mainly used Writer, writing long texts with many images and many references (f.e. an SO-/OOo-manual, widely spread in the german speaking universities) and in times before the turbulences around OOo I made bug and enhancement issues and also voted for issues. Look f.e. at issue 5608 (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=5608). It was raised in 2002 and the latest comment is dated 2012. (I did not find my votes and the number of votes in bugzilla, but I think, I voted for it in 2004.) Although the issue is ten years old and nobody worked on it, it remains a very important enhancement issue for all, who are writing long texts with (many) references. The issue is not at all outdated! I suppose it depends on how you define important. Since issue 5608 was entered, back in 2002, we've fixed 36054 issues in Bugzilla. (31064 defects, 3839 enhancements and 1151 features). So that many bugs were fixed, or enhancements/features implemented, while issue #5608 was not. I don't know how you define important, but to me something that is behind 36,054 other items is as close to unimportant as I can imagine. Remember, what things a developer chooses to code on is also a vote. They vote with their time. I count that kind of vote very highly, since it is backed up by actions. Those 36054 issues were important enough for someone to actually invest their time into fixing it. I don't mean to offend anyone by telling them that their issue is not important. We're all entitled to our personal preferences, and if you say something is important to you then I will gladly accept that. But from a project perspective, I think it is clear that an issue that was bypassed by 36054 other issues for over a decade, that an issue like this is certainly not a likely candidate for ahigh priority designation. The votes from project members, via their actions, has put 36054 other issues ahead of it. Rob, I think you are missing the point here. I agree that the choice of a developer is a sort of vote, and a really important one, but it is NOT the same vote we are discussing here: votes on issues are cast by users, not by developers. Votes are not a measure of feasibility but of hope: there is a HUGE difference between saying we are sorry, we don't have the resources to implement this right now and because nobody implemented this before, your issue is not that important for the community so we are forgetting your votes. After all, those users that voted ARE an important part of the community. I insist: we cannot do that now is not the same of we will not do that simply because nobody did it before. As Guenter said before, the fact that an old issue is still there does not means that it is not important, it only means that it was not possible, for whatever reason, to solve it. Regards Ricardo Regards, -Rob The same is valid for issue 11901 (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=11901) and many others. I always have accepted, that the lack of ressources/developers prevents to solve some/many issues in time, but I could hardly accept, that old stuff in bugzilla is reset/deleted and hence forgotten. I think, that some old users (issuers) would be frustrated. Instead of resetting the votes, one could have a list of 'issues with many votes', weight them (f.e. as proposed by a survey) and then let the volunteers/developers decide, if they want to work on their most important issues in the list. And perhaps for another ten years nobody is found to work on some or all of them! But that does not change the importance of such issues (provided that importance is not only measured by age). Special cases are concerns/issues by users like the city of Munich (as an beacon project, Leuchtturmprojekt), which can weight more than 1000 individual votes. If the process is transparent, users and issuers will understand (and be patient). -- Grüße Günter Marxen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional
Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])
2013/3/19 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr Nagios monitore forums with HTML and SSL services. But it's the MySQL deamon that must be watched. Indeed: Forums are green on the status page now, but they do not work. Regards Ricardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])
2013/3/19 F C. Costero fjcc.apa...@gmail.com The English forum is back up. I haven't checked any others. Francis ES forum is working at normal speed too. Regards Ricardo On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:31 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/19 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr Nagios monitore forums with HTML and SSL services. But it's the MySQL deamon that must be watched. Indeed: Forums are green on the status page now, but they do not work. Regards Ricardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: A question about existing practices
2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] I'd say, Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas that make it into the product. Thank you for using AOO. Sounds fine for me. The title of the tread is A question about existing practices. I think the facts are quite clear. If we have many 10 year old untouched BZ issues then fixing these issues is not part of our existing practice, whether you define that as mandatory, voluntary or whatever. No problem. Practice is what we do, not what we talk about doing. Yes, but what we must be as clearly defined this user can foresee it. Why? If I as a user know any bug in the program, it may be important for me to know _approximately_ when this will be fixed. you want to argue that we talk a lot about fixing old issues, and say many solemn things about how important they are, then I would agree with you 100%. But we don't actually do anything about them. I do not know how to define something should, but I know that you have to make it transparent. For example, a road map for developing the program is important because it clarifies what new features AOO will have in the future. That's right, that's a good thing. But it is also important to clarify how to deal with bugs and feature wishes of users. There was the suggestion to delete all old votes, only we must still clarify how we handle new votes. I think. +1. There is an old joke: I'm only responsible for what I say not for what you understand, but the fact is that being AOO an end user application what our users understand IS important for us. And what will people understand if they know all those votes are being deleted? IMO, users will take this as they do not care about our votes, why should I vote again? Why should I fill a bug report that nobody reads? and that's a really bad thing. If you want to know how relevant old issues are, once we have a working survey system we can start a series of surveys about most wanted features requests. IMO, the only valid way to delete votes, the only way that show respect to our users is to close the corresponding issues. Just my 2¢ Regards Ricardo Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: A question about existing practices
2013/3/18 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/18 Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] I'd say, Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas that make it into the product. Thank you for using AOO. Sounds fine for me. The title of the tread is A question about existing practices. I think the facts are quite clear. If we have many 10 year old untouched BZ issues then fixing these issues is not part of our existing practice, whether you define that as mandatory, voluntary or whatever. No problem. Practice is what we do, not what we talk about doing. Yes, but what we must be as clearly defined this user can foresee it. Why? If I as a user know any bug in the program, it may be important for me to know _approximately_ when this will be fixed. you want to argue that we talk a lot about fixing old issues, and say many solemn things about how important they are, then I would agree with you 100%. But we don't actually do anything about them. I do not know how to define something should, but I know that you have to make it transparent. For example, a road map for developing the program is important because it clarifies what new features AOO will have in the future. That's right, that's a good thing. But it is also important to clarify how to deal with bugs and feature wishes of users. There was the suggestion to delete all old votes, only we must still clarify how we handle new votes. I think. +1. There is an old joke: I'm only responsible for what I say not for what you understand, but the fact is that being AOO an end user application what our users understand IS important for us. And what will people understand if they know all those votes are being deleted? IMO, users will take this as they do not care about our votes, why should I vote again? Why should I fill a bug report that nobody reads? and that's a really bad thing. They'll believe what we tell them. If we say that we're resetting the vote counts in order to determine what is most relevant to users today, starting with an unbiased and fresh view of today's users priorities, and not to over-advantage the dead hand of decade-old votes from users who may or may not even still be using OpenOffice today, then this will be seen as a good thing. If you want to know how relevant old issues are, once we have a working survey system we can start a series of surveys about most wanted features requests. IMO, the only valid way to delete votes, the only way that show respect to our users is to close the corresponding issues. The fact that there are decade old issues demonstrates that they are not relevant at all. The fact that there are decade old issues only demonstrate they are still unresolved: nothing more, nothing less. Are you saying the request to provide support for opentype features is obsolete only because nobody solved it since the issue was filled on 2003, and that we need to trash the more than 200 votes for it? Sorry, but that makes no sense... The lack of a split view is also a very old issue that's still relevant, as well as the reveal codes mentioned by Dennis (even if I do not need it, many people want it and every now and then someone ask for that on the forums). Styles for tables? And for Math objects?... may I continue? The point is that all the above mentioned request are really difficult tasks, and that alone justify the fact they are still unresolved. Even if there are requests that are not valid any more, and it's quite possible that there are lots of such requests, dropping a nuke to kill user's feedback on every single old issue is not a good thing to do, IMO. Just my last 2¢ from today (taking a break from this thread) Regards Ricardo I can't think of any test of irrelevancy more accurate than pointing out that they have been ignored for over 10 years. My suggestion was merely a way of getting feedback that might be more relevant. But that's fine. If we're more comfortable claiming that decade-old untouched issues are sacred to the project, then that's OK. They can just as easily be ignored for another decade. We have better means, like Google Moderator, or surveys, for finding out what users actually think today. -Rob Just my 2¢ Regards Ricardo Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h
Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])
Right now, EN and ES forums are quite unstable, giving the too many connections error every now and then, and being quite slow the rest of the time. 2013/3/18 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr Still at the same period (since 11:00am this monday). But, this morning 11:00am (UTC+1), the FR forum is slow again. Maybe the MySQL max_connections parameter must be increase. Do you have check this point? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Do we need a survey mechanism?
2013/3/17 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com In light of our recent start on Strategic Planning, is it worthwhile to investigate some sort of survey mechanism? I know we've used Google Moderator, and I see there were mixed opinions on that. We really need to get a better feel of WHAT our end users are doing with AOO I think, before we can get into any indepth product planning. See related thread on using BZ: http://markmail.org/message/5a4j74e4oths55rg Ideally, we should attempt to use some mechanism that doesn't explicitly require an account setup. I started thinking about this a few days ago and saw that there is a MWiki extension called Survey. Maybe we could use this. Coupled with that, is there some way to setup an automatic login for such a page display, but coupled with CAPTCHA for survey submission maybe? +1 for a survey tool. I remember LimeSurvey(1) being discussed on this list several month ago, but I don't remember the output of that discussion. (1) http://www.limesurvey.org/ Regards Ricardo -- MzK Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin.
glibc version mentioned on README file
From this forum thread http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16t=60439 I can see that the README file included on the Linux install say that glibc version needed is 2.5 or higher, but AFAIK AOO is being build with 2.11 which cause the problems commented on Issue 119385. Maybe the readme file need a change? Something like (correct me if I'm wrong) at least 2.5 is needed to build the software from source, but the official builds need at least 2.11. Regards Ricardo
Re: glibc version mentioned on README file
2013/3/16 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:53:57PM +0100, RGB ES wrote: From this forum thread http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16t=60439 I can see that the README file included on the Linux install say that glibc version needed is 2.5 or higher, but AFAIK AOO is being build with 2.11 which cause the problems commented on Issue 119385. Maybe the readme file need a change? Something like (correct me if I'm wrong) at least 2.5 is needed to build the software from source, but the official builds need at least 2.11. This is bug https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119393 The information was updated on the site only http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo34.html Linux kernel version 2.6 or higher, glibc2 version 2.11.1 or higher Updating the README at that time would have triggered a new translation update, see comment 10 in that bug. Current developer snapshots (and future 4.0) will be built on a system with glibc-2.5 /CentOS 5), see https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119385 And IMO we should simplify the README: system requirements are on the website, on the download page; maintaining more that one place is error prone (bug 119393 is the proof); the user is supposed to read the system requirements of what he is going to download *before* s/he downloads it and installs it, not once installed, in the README. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina Perfectly clear. Thanks! Regards Ricardo
Re: Proposal: pr...@openoffice.apache.org alias
2013/2/25 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org Currently we point press inquires to priv...@openoffice.apache.org. I think it would be more professional to use an address like pr...@openoffice.apache.org or even me...@openoffice.apache.org. But I don't think we want to maintain another mailing list. So, if there are no concerns, I'd like to request an mailing address alias, so emails directed to pr...@openoffice.apache.org get sent to priv...@openoffice.apache.org. -Rob +1. It's a good idea Ricardo
Re: Draft blog post: Call for Documentation Volunteers
2013/2/25 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=call_for_documentation_volunteers Thanks for this! It looks good: short and to the point. Regards Ricardo
Re: There is an orb logo with gulls on openSUSE installer
2012/10/15 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com 2012/10/15 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday I upgraded my system to openSUSE 12.2. The installer, when copying packages to the hard drive offer a slide show to highlight the main openSUSE characteristics. What caught my eye on this slide show is the part that talk about the office suite: openSUSE distribute LibO, but instead of using the TDF logo you can see an orb with two gulls. The openSUSE's orb is in a darker blue and the gulls are not white, but it is clearly based on the AOO logo. Not sure if this is this a trademark issue or something non important... what do you think? If you want, you can enter an issue in BZ for this. We have a category for trademark issues: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/enter_bug.cgi?product=trademark This is useful for tracking. It also allows the subset of the volunteers who are interested and knowledgeable about trademarks to deal with it, even if they are not available during the time that the email thread is active. Oh! I did not think about BZ... [me slapping my forehead] Here it is now: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121217 The issue I filled on the openSUSE's bugzilla is now marked as resolved - fixed: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785389 Regards Ricardo Regards Ricardo Thanks, -Rob Regards Ricardo
Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
Not answering any particular message, so top posting. Two points: a) Of course you can always redefine a function to fill holes on non defined points: for example, redefining sinc(x) = sin(x)/x to be 1 on x=0 makes sense because you obtain a continuous function... but that's on 1 variable: when you go to two variables things become more difficult. In fact, the limit for x^y with x *and* y tending to zero do NOT exists (choose a different path and you'll get a different limit), then there is NO way to make that function continuous on (0,0), let alone what happens when x 0... so the real question is: does it make sense to fill the hole on x^y? *My* answer (and that leads to the second point) is no because it do not give any added value. b) Considering that we are near to 90 messages on this thread it is quite clear that an agreement is not possible. On this situation it is also clear that choosing an error instead of a fixed value is the best bet. Just my 2¢ Regards Ricardo 2013/2/13 Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org Hello; Da: Norbert Thiebaud ... On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: (OK, I guess it's better to re-subscribe to the list). In reply to Norbert Thiebaud*: In the Power rule, which *is* commonly used for differentiation, we take a series of polinomials where n !=0. n is not only different than zero, most importantly, it is a constant. Power Rule : d/dx x^n = n.x^(n-1) for n != 0 indeed. so for n=1 (which _is_ different of 0 !) d/dx X = 1.x^0 for _all_ x. including x=0. (last I check f(x) = x is differentiable in 0. I know math can be challenging... but you don't get to invent restriction on the Power Rule just to fit you argument. I will put it in simple terms. You are saying that you can't calculate the slope of the equation: y =a*x + b because in the process you need to calculate the value of x^0. In the case of the set theory book, do note that the author is constructing his own algebra, The fact that you call 'Nicola Bourbaki' 'the author', is in itself very telling about your expertise in Math. I nicely put a link to the wikipedia page, since laymen are indeed unlikely to know 'who' Borbaki is. Do I really care if the name of the author is fictitious or real? that get outside his set: 0^0 and x/0 are such cases. The text is not a demonstration, it is simply a statement taken out of context. You ask for a practical spreadsheet example, when one is given you invent new 'rules' to ignore' it. You haven't provided so far that practical spreadsheet. You claim that 'real mathematician' consider 0^0=... NaN ? Error ? And when I gave you the page and line from one of the most rigorous mathematical body of work of the 20th century (yep Bourbaki... look it up) you and hand-wave, pretending the author did not mean it.. or even better if this author(sic) *is* using mathematics correctly. The thing is that you are taking statements out of context. I don't claim being a mathematithian. I took a few courses from the career for fun. In the case of set theory you can define, for your own purposes, a special algebra where: - You redefine your own multiplication operator (x). - You don't define division. - You make yor algebra system fit into a set of properties that is useful for your own properties. Once you define your own multiplication (which is not the same multiplication supported in a spreadsheet) You work around the issue in the power operator by defining the undefined case. These are all nice mathematical models that don't apply to a spreadsheet. I guess looking hard it may be possible to find an elaborated case where someone manages to shoot himself in the foot Sure, Leonard Euler, who introduced 0^0 = 1 circa 1740, was notorious for shooting himself in the foot when doing math... For those interested in the actual Math... in Math words have meaning and that meaning have often context. let me develop a bit the notion of 'form' mentioned earlier: for instance in the expression 'in an indeterminate form', there is 'form' and it matter because in the context of determining extension by continuity of a function, there are certain case where you can transform you equation into another 'form' but if these transformation lead you to an 'indeterminate form', you have to find another transformation to continue... hence h = f^g with f(x)-0 x-inf and g(x)-0 x-inf then -- once it is establish that h actually converge in the operating set, and that is another topic altogether -- lim h(x) x-0 = (lim f)^(lim g). passing 'to the limit' in each term would yield 0^0 with is a indeterminable 'form' (not a value, not a number, not claimed to be the result of a calculation of power(0,0), but a 'form' of the equation that is indeterminate...) at which point you cannot conclude,
Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
2013/2/11 Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net Le 11/02/2013 09:13, Andre Fischer a écrit : We should change the ODF spec first instead. A spec that basically says whatever you want to return is fine is of no value, as was proven in this thread. This is something that I would only accept from a random() function. +1. That's also what has been said by other posters (with some between the lines reading). Besides, my emacs calc says that 0^0 is 1, so that can be the only correct answer, right? :-) But is there anyone with some real maths application that could check (R or Mathlab, ...)? Maxima (a computer algebra system) gives an error. FreeMat (a Matlab clone) gives 1. SciDAVis (an originLab clone) gives an error. Calligra Sheets gives 1 (but you need to insert a = before, otherwise it takes it as text) Also, remember that any change will break someone's workflow: http://xkcd.com/1172/ Regards Ricardo Hagar
Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
2013/2/10 Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net Le 10/02/2013 00:43, Rob Weir a écrit : Spreadsheets are used by businessmen and not only mathematicians. I think that very few mathematicians use AOO at all. Even in the industry (in which I work for almost 15 years), MS Excel is not used to perform high level calculations. Even the nice charts we can see from complex tests are in fact exports from dedicated software that just give the numbers and let MS Excel draw the chart with all the bells and whistles needed (secondary grid, axis, legends, ...). Real calculation is made with specific applications, often developed by the companies to be sure they master the process. +1. I remember a conference (I'm physicist) on which one person presented charts made with excel. One of the senior scientist on the audience then said you are masochist, don't you? Regards Ricardo - In 3.4.1, =0 ^ 0 returns 1 - In 4.0, as patched by Pedro (see issue), =0 ^ 0 would return an error - According to ODF, valid results are 0, 1, error In other words, the results we were giving before were entirely valid. It just means that an acceptable shortcut was used. Giving 'error' would be valid too (regarding the ODF compliance). But I would not say that mathematics POV 1 as a result is valid. Even if some tend to think that 1 is OK. Microsoft has gone decades with treating the year 1900 as a leap year. Should we? Agreed, who cares what MS Excel does? It should not dictate what AOO should do. - We lose backwards compatibility if someone was relying on the fact that OpenOffice returns 1 as the result of =0 ^ 0 Correct. The fact is we have returned 1 for this calculation for over a decade. Whether mathematicians think it is right or wrong (and they do not all agree), that is what we did. So changing it now has the potential to break real user spreadsheets. So this is a serious change. First, how many users would face such a problem when both the base and exponent are null??? Again, real maths are not done in spreadsheets. So it's very likely the 0^0 cases would not break that many sheets and with an error, users will be able to spot quickly the issue and adapt to prevent that situation to be calculated. Second, and that's my main point here: you're angry about such a minor change when you don't mind breaking the backward compatibility of the whole extensions eco-system? See: http://www.mail-archive.com/** a...@openoffice.apache.org/**msg00107.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/api@openoffice.apache.org/msg00107.html I'm lost about the priorities... and how end-users fit in your agenda. Hagar
Re: Problem with the API forum
2013/2/8 Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net Could you make clear about what forum you're talking about? I checked the EN forum and there is no user with your mail address (I checked with the address used for the dev list but also your first name and last name alone). I think she is talking about the ES forum: http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31t=7741 Her posts were never modified nor moderated nor anything. She posted a question that, as sometimes happens with difficult/non clear topics, at the beginning did not get any answer: that's all... But when answers came they were not well received either (suggestions, like posting on the EN forums too, were not followed because the user was not intellectually interested on the topic or something like that), some strange theory that there was an universal agreement to not provide answers to the problem was uttered (and repeated many times) and after a suggestion of reading the forum rules... well, the thread is now closed and the user vowed to leave the forum http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31t=7912 Obviously, there was a communication problem... but I do not think it was from our part. Ricardo, a.k.a. RGB-es ES forum admin team Hagar EN forum admin team Le 07/02/2013 22:57, Yessica Brinkmann a écrit : I understand, thank you very much. I really do not like the idea that my posts are modified by others, and that could mean, for example, something I did not say. Actually I did not receive any notification about this. Also I think if my messages are not understood, that I should be notified, for education and respect, asking for more information, and not simply be ignored. I understand that these are policies of the forum, but just saying that I disagree with them. However, for personal reasons, I will unsubscribe for the forum. Regards, Yessica 2013/2/7 Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org On 2/7/13, Yessica Brinkmann yessica.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Excuse me please write back by forum inadequate. But it's already doing 22 hours I sent emails to the API forum but no one answers, and I have not received any message from this other forum participants. I do not know if this forum has a very low flow of mails or what happens. I received confirmation api welcome to the forum, which means that I subscribed. I wanted to ask if you could continue to help me please, if this forum has api mails as low flow, or what recommend I do? Much appreciate an answer please. regards, Yessica Also if you are a new user on the forum, your post needs to be 'cleared' by some of the mantainers, which mean that your post is not visible to the rest of the forum members. You should have got a message announcing you this, so you need to be more patient and also provide more information. Not having enough information on your post is enough reason to get potential contributors to skip your post. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?
2013/1/30 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Right on the deadline to propose new features for Fedora 19 (it wasn't planned) I submitted Apache OpenOffice as a proposed new feature: https://fedoraproject.org/**wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOfficehttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice You can see this as a first step in getting back into the major Linux distributions. Timing aside, Fedora is a very good choice for a number of reasons. Let's wait and see; Fedora 19 is nicknamed Schroedinger's cat after all. The Fedora 19 release schedule, as an exception to the common Fedora conventions, will not be time-based but feature-based: features accepted by the Fedora Board will be considered before drafting the schedule. Anyway, optimally it would allow to package OpenOffice 4.0 (and there would be work to do on the OpenOffice and the Fedora side to get OpenOffice properly packaged). Regards, Andrea. Good! The proposal was noticed by Phoronix too :) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTI4ODI Regards Ricardo
Re: Volunteer with Open Office documentation
Welcome on board, Jef! 2013/1/30 Jeff Scott jeffscottwo...@gmail.com Hello! My name is Jeff Feinman, and I am interested in helping to write documentation for OpenOffice.org. I have a deep background in technical writing and journalism, and most recently served as a technical writer for Blackbaud, a software provider for nonprofit organizations. I am very skilled and experienced in writing user education content, have worked as part of agile scrum teams, and have recorded support videos. I take pride in my ability to create high quality content. Great! Right now, discussion and drafting for a new user guide happens on the doc mailing list d...@openoffice.apache.org you can subscribe to that list sending a mail to doc-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and answering the mail you receive. Regards Ricardo As a technical writer with Blackbaud, I worked with authoring tools including MadCap Flare and Adobe FrameMaker, as well as Team Foundation Server for version control. In addition to improving my writing and information gathering abilities, I also advanced my video recording and social media skills with Blackbaud. I also served for three years as assistant editor of Software Development Times, an industry trade maga zine. I currently live in Charleston, South Carolina, which is a beautiful beach town. I grew up in the Long Island/New York City area. I am an avid Islanders and Giants fan, and have recently taken up disc golf, which is a blast. Attached is a copy of my resume if you're interested, I look forward to speaking with you more about how I can help out. Sincerely, Jeff Feinman -- Jeff Scott jeffscottwo...@gmail.com 631-334-6836
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
2013/1/24 Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: It's not enough to remove LO, at least in all previous fedora versions, you have to blacklist lo in /etc/yum.conf with a line exclude=libreoffice* Sorry for nitpicking. But should this be automated as part of the install? maybe show a little dialog saying we´ve detected that your system is configured to use a piece of software that is incompatible with AOO. Want the installer to automatically disable it so that AOO can install? [Yes/No] The problem is not LibO, but the modified LibO version delivered by Fedora. AOO and the official build of LibO can live together without problems. But first of all, removing other's software is not a nice action... The curse of the Linux world is the tutorials that tell users how to do things by editing certain files, and installers that, having known for years that such manual procedures are required, do not make the slightest effort to automate the process. That's depends on the distro: openSUSE and Mandriva makes those thing quite easy. I cannot remember the last time I manually edited a config file. Regards Ricardo FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Re: RegExp do not work when Format is selected
2013/1/14 Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org On 12.01.2013 18:42, RGB ES wrote: Some trouble with the new RegExp engine in Writer. Forum discussion: http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=**58510http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=58510 On Writer, when you do a SR you can use regular expressions or set a format (Format button on More options) but it seems you cannot do both at the same time https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=121482https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121482 Thanks for catching this! These problems are fixed now. Please verify with the next nightly build (i.e. revision=1432869) from our buildbots http://ci.apache.org/projects/**openoffice/http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ Working great on 1433282 Thanks again! Ricardo Herbert
Copy/paste chart from Calc fails when source graph is on Sheet1
Another strange bug that was commented on the forum (this time, on the ES forums) Bug 118840 - Inserted chart into other document type, copied from Calc, loses data https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118840 If you copy a chart from a Calc file that is anchored on Sheet1 to a Writer or Draw document, parts of the graph will be missing. The only workaround is to rename Sheet1 to something else, which makes the bug quite confusing... This bug was introduced on 3.4.0 and it is still present on dev builds. Regards Ricardo
Re: Color coding for Basic snippents on Mwiki?
2013/1/6 janI j...@apache.org On 6 January 2013 02:30, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: top posting, sorry On a side note, as mentioned on a different thread(1) when using the source lang=oobas tags mwiki display a different set of colours than the ones used by the AOO IDE. One user (actually writing about macro programming on the ES wiki) reported this problem some time ago. He runs a personal media wiki site and told me that the configuration file with colour definitions is located on extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/geshi/geshi He shared his config file on the ES forum: http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3164 uploaded. rgds Jan I. Thanks! It works well (to see the change you need to refresh the page... on Chromium you also need to delete the cache!) Regards Ricardo With this definition file the wiki extension should show the same colours used by default on AOO. Regards Ricardo (1) http://markmail.org/message/zpjnz3camivagxts 2013/1/5 TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com On 1/5/2013 16:57, janI wrote: There are no conversions in place, so we use the standard as provided. Have you looked at mwiki home page, I am pretty sure they have some explanation. Please also be aware that all our pages are loaded with a standard aoo style sheet, which might further limit the possibilities. I had a quick look, and there are no code conversions though. Rgds Jan I. On 5 January 2013 22:44, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Anyone know the attribute for color code Baisc code on the MWiki? example code lang=java will color code for java, but I have tried baisc oobasic and no luck. -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org source lang=oobas works for me. See links on my user page for examples. /tj/
Re: Can't Escape the CAPTCHA Cats on MIki
2013/1/6 janI j...@apache.org @Rob If you see cats now your browser has a problem. I changed the configuration so there are not cats. At least with Chromium, sometimes it is not enough to refresh the page to see changes: I need to clean the browser's cache. This happens only with mwiki, though. Regards Ricardo Jan I. On 6 January 2013 19:12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Make no mistake, everything appeared to be working just fine. I only mentioned this because Rob had trouble identifying cats... and at least one photo is a bit ambiguous. Each time I fail I'm given a different set of pictures. I tried 6 times in a row and failed each time. So I think there is more happening here than just an occasional ambiguous picture. A question: for those who report this is working correctly for them, are you seeing a validate or other button associated with the CAPTCHA? Or are you scrolling down to the page submit button at the bottom of the page? -Rob On 01/05/2013 04:25 AM, janI wrote: Hmm. I cannot really judge if there is a system problem, or you are just all chasing cats (and the system works). So I assume there is no system problem, and this is just a case of wild cats :-) If I am wrong then please say so. FYI: Both rbircher and imacat have the same access as I to svn and mwiki, allowing them to do changes, in case it is needed. With regard to outages, imacat and I receive mail from nagios approx. 2 minutes after mwiki has general response times longer than 10 sec. Infra also receives the mail but are quite busy at the moment. With imacat in taiwan and me in spain, we should have a good coverage, even when I sleep :-) have a nice day/evening jan I. On 5 January 2013 06:36, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.orgwrote: On 01/04/2013 10:18 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Although I lack advanced degrees in zoology or veterinary medicine, I am somewhat familiar with the differences between canine and feline species. But I cannot seem to get past this screen. Every time I select the cats and then try to submit the edits, I'm returned back to the same CAPTCHA dialog. No error messages. Any ideas? I saw at least one photo where I had to guess, because the photo was incomplete. More specifically, It was a partial body shot with no head, or tail. I guessed based on the hair/fur that it was a cat. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Color coding for Basic snippents on Mwiki?
top posting, sorry On a side note, as mentioned on a different thread(1) when using the source lang=oobas tags mwiki display a different set of colours than the ones used by the AOO IDE. One user (actually writing about macro programming on the ES wiki) reported this problem some time ago. He runs a personal media wiki site and told me that the configuration file with colour definitions is located on extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/geshi/geshi He shared his config file on the ES forum: http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3164 With this definition file the wiki extension should show the same colours used by default on AOO. Regards Ricardo (1) http://markmail.org/message/zpjnz3camivagxts 2013/1/5 TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com On 1/5/2013 16:57, janI wrote: There are no conversions in place, so we use the standard as provided. Have you looked at mwiki home page, I am pretty sure they have some explanation. Please also be aware that all our pages are loaded with a standard aoo style sheet, which might further limit the possibilities. I had a quick look, and there are no code conversions though. Rgds Jan I. On 5 January 2013 22:44, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Anyone know the attribute for color code Baisc code on the MWiki? example code lang=java will color code for java, but I have tried baisc oobasic and no luck. -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org source lang=oobas works for me. See links on my user page for examples. /tj/
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
2013/1/4 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 09:45:07AM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Answer 5, as others wrote, could be completed with something like Drew mentioned... allows minor (cosmetic) editing of PDF files and supports saving to a 'hybrid PDF format', i.e., a PDF file that also contains an editable copy of the document and that can be fully edited in OpenOffice. The extension that allows this is not being maintained anymore, the binaries available at http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport are from December 2010, any issue with this extension has to be marked as WONTFIX, because we don't release it anymore, ... so I wouldn't mention any feature related to this extension. OK. I took out the mention of that extension. I also included content and feedback from Shenfeng and Andrea. I even came up with a good response to question #7, about Word table interoperability. I think this post is ready to go. +1. Ricardo -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions
2013/1/3 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=your_top_questions_answered Good! For point 3: security vulnerabilities that may effect both products. I think it should be affect. We've had several cases where a programmer contributed a patch to LibreOffice and then turned around and send the same fix to us at Apache? The question mark at the end is wrong. Regards Ricardo In addition to review, note that I need help developing a response to questions 7, 8 and 10. 7. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example re-sizing of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office functionality for tables? 8. When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with each OSes native widgets? 10. Why is the User Profile causing so much trouble in migration from older versions to 3.4.1? Thanks, -Rob
Re: [PROPOSAL] lazy consensus for new News scrolling
2013/1/4 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Here's is the latest/final draft for the proposed new user portal web site home page incorporating News scrolling: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I am invoking lazy consensus for this change. If I hear no complaints by Sunday 1750 PDT, I will implement this change. I can see how this makes it easier to manage the news articles. Previously we kept the most recent articles on index.html and rotated the older ones off onto an archive page. This was a manual process, an extra set of steps. With your new SSI mechanism we just keep all of the news articles in a single SSI file, the are displayed on the home page and the user can scroll through them. So from the perspective of the author of the news stories this is a big improvement. Thanks for looking into this! However, from the perspective of the page reader, this has two liabilities: 1) Aesthetically, from a design perspective this doesn't work well, especially that scroll bar. IMHO, it does not look like a professional page. 2) Impact on page load time. As we add more stories to the SSI, especially stories with images/photos (which I'd like to start doing) the page size is going to increase. Eventually this becomes a problem and we're back to manual rotation of the stories to an archive page. Since this is the visitors first impression of the project, I wonder if it is worth exploring further to see if there is a way to address these issues? As I mentioned before, the ASF home page has a latest activity panel that avoids both of these problems: http://www.apache.org/ Can we copy what they do? Disclaimer: from the technical point of view, I have no idea what I'm talking about so just take the following as an example of what happens when a completely html illiterate starts to think aloud... Suppose we put all news on one page, but organized with a heading, an abstract and then the main article. Question: is it possible to use that page as a sort of database and load only the, say, first five headings with their corresponding abstracts and show them on the lateral panel in the main page? No idea how difficult could be to do that, but once it is set managing the news will be easier and I think this could solve both problems mentioned by Rob. Regards Ricardo -Rob Thereafter all news items will not be added to the home page directly or to /news/index.html, but to /news/newslist.ssi (this is a text file, not html), LIFO order, maintaining the styling you see for other items there. -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
2013/1/2 Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com Everyone who was involved with that video: awesome! Totally love the white outline looking icons on solid background. Its an immediate eye catcher for users to know what file type a document is, no matter the size of the icon (think file explorer detail view 16x16). Floating this idea: when you scale the icon down to 16x16, keep the white rounded square and circle on the solid background, but drop the birds if it gets too pixelated? Maybe lessen the character spacing 1-2pxs in the video, they feel a little too far apart first time viewing it. We should avoid using a song currently in rotation by another commercial if possible, just because people might make branding associations or assumptions. If music rights is an issue, there is a lot of creative commons music on newgrounds.com audio portal. Jamendo is another possibility http://www.jamendo.com/ but I cannot point to a particular author, my musical tastes are rather particular... :) Regards Ricardo If this counts as commercial use, then someone would have to get the artist's okay by private message them. Here are some examples I spent 15 mins browsing, its a big library, need to listen to many: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/516336 @ around 2:05 (song climax, soft sound- hard excitement) http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/496129 @ around 0:56 (lyrics -make you mine tonight.. only you) http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/516869 @ around 1:18 (popular tune, soft, full remake in (CC) ) Hopefully that was constructive and useful feedback! On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: s for the continued w
