Re: Need help

[Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Thursday, 16 March 2017 at 07:54:48 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
Yes, though I'd generally try in the main newsgroup first. 
Regardless, the biggest thing is to make sure that it's in 
bugzilla. That often is not sufficient, but without that, the 
bug is in serious risk of being forgotten, and whenever anyone 
brings up a bug and complains that it isn't fix and hasn't put 
it in bugzilla, Walter basically tells them that it doesn't 
exist until it's in bugzilla, because if it isn't reported, 
then he and the rest of the compiler devs aren't going to know 
about it.


But the reality of the matter is that getting ahold of anyone 
in particular in the newsgroups can be hit or miss, and the 
number of compiler devs isn't huge. So, sometimes, you have to 
bring something up multiple times for it be seen by the right 
people. And unfortunately, the nature of 
newsgroup/forum/mailing list discussions is often essentially 
bikeshedding in that the topics that need real attention often 
get relatively little attention, because they're hard and/or 
not many people know enough to get involved, whereas topics 
that don't take much expertise and easy to have an opinion on 
get a lot of attention. So, solitary posts on important topics 
sometimes get missed.


- Jonathan M Davis

Ok. I'll consider. Thanks.

Re: Need help

[Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:24:14 Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 11:09:10 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > I'm inclined to agree with David on this one, but I really
> > don't want to argue about it. Just remember that this newsgroup
> > is intended for announcements that the wider D community would
> > be interested in and that communication here should be kept to
> > a minimum. This is precisely the list that folks sign up for
> > when they want to hear about the big stuff but don't want to
> > deal with any of the chatter. And anyone posting here should
> > keep that in mind.
>
> Is https://forum.dlang.org/group/dmd right place for such
> requests?

Yes, though I'd generally try in the main newsgroup first. Regardless, the
biggest thing is to make sure that it's in bugzilla. That often is not
sufficient, but without that, the bug is in serious risk of being forgotten,
and whenever anyone brings up a bug and complains that it isn't fix and
hasn't put it in bugzilla, Walter basically tells them that it doesn't exist
until it's in bugzilla, because if it isn't reported, then he and the rest
of the compiler devs aren't going to know about it.

But the reality of the matter is that getting ahold of anyone in particular
in the newsgroups can be hit or miss, and the number of compiler devs isn't
huge. So, sometimes, you have to bring something up multiple times for it be
seen by the right people. And unfortunately, the nature of
newsgroup/forum/mailing list discussions is often essentially bikeshedding
in that the topics that need real attention often get relatively little
attention, because they're hard and/or not many people know enough to get
involved, whereas topics that don't take much expertise and easy to have an
opinion on get a lot of attention. So, solitary posts on important topics
sometimes get missed.

- Jonathan M Davis

Re: Need help

[Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 18:02:13 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:

V Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:25:04 +
Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce
 napsáno:

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 11:46:26 UTC, Daniel Kozák 
wrote:
> problem is with this line: 
> https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1014

>
> It run semantic before alias is add 
> https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1131
Great! But I have no idea what to do next. Could you write 
pull request, please? Is $100 enough for that?


OK I have tried something so we will see 
https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/6635

Nice! I'll test it.

Re: Need help

[Daniel Kozák via Digitalmars-d-announce]

V Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:25:04 +
Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce
 napsáno:

> On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 11:46:26 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:
> > problem is with this line: 
> > https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1014
> >
> > It run semantic before alias is add 
> > https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1131  
> Great! But I have no idea what to do next. Could you write pull 
> request, please? Is $100 enough for that?

OK I have tried something so we will see
https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/6635

Re: Need help

[Daniel Kozák via Digitalmars-d-announce]

V Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:25:04 +
Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce
 napsáno:

> On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 11:46:26 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:
> > problem is with this line: 
> > https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1014
> >
> > It run semantic before alias is add 
> > https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1131  
> Great! But I have no idea what to do next. Could you write pull 
> request, please? Is $100 enough for that?

Ok, maybe I have a (partial) solution, right now tests are running

Re: Need help

[Daniel Kozák via Digitalmars-d-announce]

V Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:25:04 +
Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce
 napsáno:

> On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 11:46:26 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:
> > problem is with this line: 
> > https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1014
> >
> > It run semantic before alias is add 
> > https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1131  
> Great! But I have no idea what to do next. Could you write pull 
> request, please? Is $100 enough for that?

I am sorry but I do not how to fix that correctly :(

Re: Need help

[Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 11:46:26 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:
problem is with this line: 
https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1014


It run semantic before alias is add 
https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1131
Great! But I have no idea what to do next. Could you write pull 
request, please? Is $100 enough for that?

Re: Need help

[Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 11:09:10 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
I'm inclined to agree with David on this one, but I really 
don't want to argue about it. Just remember that this newsgroup 
is intended for announcements that the wider D community would 
be interested in and that communication here should be kept to 
a minimum. This is precisely the list that folks sign up for 
when they want to hear about the big stuff but don't want to 
deal with any of the chatter. And anyone posting here should 
keep that in mind.


- Jonathan M Davis
Is https://forum.dlang.org/group/dmd right place for such 
requests?

Re: Need help

[Daniel Kozák via Digitalmars-d-announce]

V Wed, 15 Mar 2017 07:37:53 +
Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce
 napsáno:

> Dear developers. I need help fixing issue #17257 
> (https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17257) and related bug 
> (https://forum.dlang.org/post/zpxzbctiijfhjujsz...@forum.dlang.org).
> 
> I can't fix it myself, because know almost nothing about the 
> internals of the compiler. But I'm willing to pay for this work. 
> PayPal, Bountysource, donation, all that you want.
> 
> 

problem is with this line:
https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1014

It run semantic before alias is add
https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/v2.073.2/src/clone.d#L1131

Re: Need help

[Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 23:04:50 rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> Oh relax, its a freelance job advertisement as well (payment for bug to
> be fixed). If that wasn't there then yeah not appropriate. But its
> there, so I say it was a good place :)

I'm inclined to agree with David on this one, but I really don't want to
argue about it. Just remember that this newsgroup is intended for
announcements that the wider D community would be interested in and that
communication here should be kept to a minimum. This is precisely the list
that folks sign up for when they want to hear about the big stuff but don't
want to deal with any of the chatter. And anyone posting here should keep
that in mind.

- Jonathan M Davis

Re: Need help

[Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 10:04:50 UTC, rikki cattermole 
wrote:
Oh relax, its a freelance job advertisement as well (payment 
for bug to be fixed). If that wasn't there then yeah not 
appropriate. But its there, so I say it was a good place :)
Exactly. And besides, it is actually a donation to the D 
language. ;)

Re: Need help

[rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d-announce]

Oh relax, its a freelance job advertisement as well (payment for bug to 
be fixed). If that wasn't there then yeah not appropriate. But its 
there, so I say it was a good place :)

Re: Need help

[David Nadlinger via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 09:19:17 UTC, Jack Applegame wrote:
I think that fixing such bugs is quite general interest. I'm 
not asking to do enhancement required solely to me. I'm asking 
to fix a bug, very bad bug.


The reason why your post is not appropriate here is in the name 
of the forum: "announce". Many D users follow this list – and in 
part indeed via email – to keep up with interesting news, 
developments, and events in the wider community. If the volume 
becomes too high, the forum loses its reason to exist, and we 
could just merge it into the general forum entirely.


If you are having trouble figuring out what to post here, a great 
way to start is to ask yourself: "What would happen if every D 
user posted  here?" What would happen if every D user 
posted about the initial release of their smaller project/a fresh 
release of their well-known project here? Great, that will keep 
people up to speed with what's happening in the community. What 
would happen if everybody posted about bugs they find and want 
fixed here? Not so much. There are many more severe issues 
discovered frequently, yet you don't read about them here – 
because the bug tracker is the place to report them.


Of course, in this case, you might want to inform compiler 
developers that you can offer a bounty for timely fixes. But the 
appropriate place to do so is the DMD development list, or maybe 
– if you think that the wider D audience might be able to help – 
the general dm.D forum.


It goes without saying that respecting the rules and workings of 
a community you want help from will drastically increase the 
chances of actually receiving it.


 — David

Re: Need help

[Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 09:27:26 UTC, Daniel Kozák wrote:
Yes, but you should put this to general forum, not to 
announcement
I tried. Everyone is talking about problems with memory 
management, but nobody cares about bugs in such fundamental 
things as the destructors. Apparently it's more important to 
discuss advertising on Quora.

Re: Need help

[Daniel Kozák via Digitalmars-d-announce]

V Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:19:17 +
Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce
 napsáno:

> On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 08:52:03 UTC, David Nadlinger 
> wrote:
> > This is a forum for announcements of general interest. Please 
> > take that into consideration before posting here. Thanks. — 
> > David  
> 
> I think that fixing such bugs is quite general interest. I'm not 
> asking to do enhancement required solely to me. I'm asking to fix 
> a bug, very bad bug.
> 
Yes, but you should put this to general forum, not to announcement

Re: Need help

[Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 08:52:03 UTC, David Nadlinger 
wrote:
This is a forum for announcements of general interest. Please 
take that into consideration before posting here. Thanks. — 
David


I think that fixing such bugs is quite general interest. I'm not 
asking to do enhancement required solely to me. I'm asking to fix 
a bug, very bad bug.

Re: Need help

[David Nadlinger via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 07:37:53 UTC, Jack Applegame wrote:
Dear developers. I need help fixing issue #17257 
(https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17257) and related 
bug 
(https://forum.dlang.org/post/zpxzbctiijfhjujsz...@forum.dlang.org).


This is a forum for announcements of general interest. Please 
take that into consideration before posting here. Thanks. — David

Re: Need help

[Stefan Koch via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 at 07:37:53 UTC, Jack Applegame wrote:
Dear developers. I need help fixing issue #17257 
(https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17257) and related 
bug 
(https://forum.dlang.org/post/zpxzbctiijfhjujsz...@forum.dlang.org).


I can't fix it myself, because know almost nothing about the 
internals of the compiler. But I'm willing to pay for this 
work. PayPal, Bountysource, donation, all that you want.


I am going to take a look at this issue, later today.