Re: My interest in contributing to the D language and participation in the Symmetry Autumn of code
On 16/05/2024 11:43 PM, Dennis wrote: just in case I've worked on an issue, how do I communicate with the community/mentors about it? Is there a discord/slack community I can join? On the main website under Community there is an invite link to the community Discord. Many people are there including Mike Parker and Razvan.
Re: My interest in contributing to the D language and participation in the Symmetry Autumn of code
On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 at 14:23:32 UTC, RazvanN wrote: On Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 18:42:56 UTC, Dennis wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Dennis and I’m from Nigeria and I want to contribute to the D language, perhaps engage in the upcoming Symmetry Autumn of code, and contribute immensely to the D language and beyond. I’m open to anyone directing me on things to work on. I'd really appreciate that. Hi Dennis! We have a bunch of projects that you could work on, however, choosing the right project depends of what you are interested in and your experience with the concepts involved. Generally, we have multiple fronts that work could be done on: the compiler, the runtime library, the standard library, ecosystem tools etc. I suggest you pick one of the categories, get the code, try to fix the issues (you can find our list of issues here: https://issues.dlang.org/ - searching for the keywork "bootcamp" will list issues that are considered entry level, but note that some of those might be more complicated then you would expect at a first glance) and then we can have a hat on projects you can work on. How does that sound? RazvanN just in case I've worked on an issue, how do I communicate with the community/mentors about it? Is there a discord/slack community I can join?
Re: My interest in contributing to the D language and participation in the Symmetry Autumn of code
On Wednesday, 15 May 2024 at 14:23:32 UTC, RazvanN wrote: On Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 18:42:56 UTC, Dennis wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Dennis and I’m from Nigeria and I want to contribute to the D language, perhaps engage in the upcoming Symmetry Autumn of code, and contribute immensely to the D language and beyond. I’m open to anyone directing me on things to work on. I'd really appreciate that. Hi Dennis! We have a bunch of projects that you could work on, however, choosing the right project depends of what you are interested in and your experience with the concepts involved. Generally, we have multiple fronts that work could be done on: the compiler, the runtime library, the standard library, ecosystem tools etc. I suggest you pick one of the categories, get the code, try to fix the issues (you can find our list of issues here: https://issues.dlang.org/ - searching for the keywork "bootcamp" will list issues that are considered entry level, but note that some of those might be more complicated then you would expect at a first glance) and then we can have a chat on projects you can work on. How does that sound? RazvanN That sounds great, looking forward to participate.
Re: My interest in contributing to the D language and participation in the Symmetry Autumn of code
On Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 18:42:56 UTC, Dennis wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Dennis and I’m from Nigeria and I want to contribute to the D language, perhaps engage in the upcoming Symmetry Autumn of code, and contribute immensely to the D language and beyond. I’m open to anyone directing me on things to work on. I'd really appreciate that. Hi Dennis! We have a bunch of projects that you could work on, however, choosing the right project depends of what you are interested in and your experience with the concepts involved. Generally, we have multiple fronts that work could be done on: the compiler, the runtime library, the standard library, ecosystem tools etc. I suggest you pick one of the categories, get the code, try to fix the issues (you can find our list of issues here: https://issues.dlang.org/ - searching for the keywork "bootcamp" will list issues that are considered entry level, but note that some of those might be more complicated then you would expect at a first glance) and then we can have a chat on projects you can work on. How does that sound? RazvanN
Re: My interest in contributing to the D language and participation in the Symmetry Autumn of code
On Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 18:42:56 UTC, Dennis wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Dennis and I’m from Nigeria and I want to contribute to the D language, perhaps engage in the upcoming Symmetry Autumn of code, and contribute immensely to the D language and beyond. I’m open to anyone directing me on things to work on. I'd really appreciate that. Hi, Dennis. Nice to meet you. I'll be making the announcement about SAOC 2024 in a few weeks. In the meantime, you can visit the SAOC page to learn everything you need to know about how to apply: https://saoc.io It's still got the info from last year, but very little will change for this year. The application deadline could be different this time, but the rest of the dates should be the same. It will run from September 15 of this year to January 14 of next year. I'll leave it to Razvan Nitu and/or Dennis Korpel to help you with contributing.
Re: My interest in contributing to the D language and participation in the Symmetry Autumn of code
On Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 18:42:56 UTC, Dennis wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Dennis and I’m from Nigeria and I want to contribute to the D language, perhaps engage in the upcoming Symmetry Autumn of code, and contribute immensely to the D language and beyond. I’m open to anyone directing me on things to work on. I'd really appreciate that. Hi Dennis, nice to hear that! Razvan and Mike probably are good persons to ask such question. There are some project milestones in GitHub repo.. But you can start with issues https://forum.dlang.org/group/issues
My interest in contributing to the D language and participation in the Symmetry Autumn of code
Hello everyone, My name is Dennis and I’m from Nigeria and I want to contribute to the D language, perhaps engage in the upcoming Symmetry Autumn of code, and contribute immensely to the D language and beyond. I’m open to anyone directing me on things to work on. I'd really appreciate that.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code 2023 Result
On Thursday, 1 February 2024 at 12:12:43 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: If you've been paying attention to the forums over the past few months, you'll have seen weekly updates from the three SAOC 2023 participants: Teodor Dutu (his third SAOC!), Emmanuel Nyarko, and Prajwal S N. Congratulations to each of them for making it all the way to the end. The work the put in was both well done and valuable for the D ecosystem. Potential guests of Mike's video-show. If they would like to share some thought and personal experience from participation in SAoC
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code 2023 Result
On Thursday, 1 February 2024 at 12:12:43 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: If you've been paying attention to the forums over the past few months, you'll have seen weekly updates from the three SAOC 2023 participants: Teodor Dutu (his third SAOC!), Emmanuel Nyarko, and Prajwal S N. Congratulations to each of them for making it all the way to the end. The work the put in was both well done and valuable for the D ecosystem. [...] Congratulations to all the participants -- they should be proud of their accomplishments. It was great to see their weekly progress, and I look forward to their continued work :)
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code 2023 Result
Very good work to all involved!
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code 2023 Result
On Thursday, 1 February 2024 at 12:12:43 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: If you've been paying attention to the forums over the past few months, you'll have seen weekly updates from the three SAOC 2023 participants: Teodor Dutu (his third SAOC!), Emmanuel Nyarko, and Prajwal S N. Congratulations to each of them for making it all the way to the end. The work the put in was both well done and valuable for the D ecosystem. [...] Congratulations to all three participants for their progress and contributions to D. Extra congratulations to Prajwal for being selected for the extra prize. Glad to hear that the participants aim to round-up the projects beyond the official duration of SAOC. Thanks to Symmetry for the ongoing support.
Symmetry Autumn of Code 2023 Result
If you've been paying attention to the forums over the past few months, you'll have seen weekly updates from the three SAOC 2023 participants: Teodor Dutu (his third SAOC!), Emmanuel Nyarko, and Prajwal S N. Congratulations to each of them for making it all the way to the end. The work the put in was both well done and valuable for the D ecosystem. Additional congratulations are in order for Prajwal S N, whom the judges selected for the final $1000 payment and the free trip to DConf '24. Well done! Prajwal worked on modifying dfmt to use the DMD AST. Along the way, he made some improvements to dmd. He currently is working on identifying and fixing bugs and plans to get the new dfmt into a production-ready state. As for the other two, they are still going forward with their projects. Teo has worked on converting DRuntime hooks to templates during and between three SAOC editions. He [gave a talk about it at DConf '22](https://youtu.be/dsa8GWL6TUo). He's got the finish line in sight now. Once he crosses it, he says he'll be on the lookout for further opportunities to research and improve the D compilers. Emmanuel set out to hook D up to some C++ containers. He made a good bit of progress on that front and plans to continue. He tells me he will be looking for other opportunities to contribute to D beyond this project in the future. Thanks to Razvan Nitu and Mathias Lang for taking on the mentor role this time. Razvan mentored Teo and Prajwal, Mathias mentored Emmanuel. Thanks also to Átila Neves, Robert Schadek, and Jonathan M. Davis for serving as judges. That's a tougher job than one might think. As for the future, I can announce already that SAOC 2024 is a go. I'll put out the call for applications in a few months. Thanks to Symmetry Investments for their ongoing support for the D ecosystem through SAOC and more.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code 2022
On Wednesday, 29 June 2022 at 11:20:47 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: I recently received confirmation from Symmetry that SAOC 2022 is a go! [...] Great to see the initiative continuing to exist! Thanks to the sponsors, and all involved.
Symmetry Autumn of Code 2022
I recently received confirmation from Symmetry that SAOC 2022 is a go! SOAC is open to anyone over 18 who is interested in helping to strengthen the D ecosystem. Preference is given to undergraduate and postgraduate students, but anyone is welcome to apply. Participants are paid a small stipend across three monthly milestones to work at least 20 hours per week on a project that's beneficial to the D ecosystem. Then, at the end of the fourth and final milestone, at least one participant is awarded with a final $1000 payment and a free trip to the next real-world DConf. Given that we had no DConf in 2020 and 2021, one SAOC awardee each from the 2019 and 2020 editions, and two from the 2021 edition, are attending DConf '22. If you apply to SAOC 2022, then it could be you hanging out on a free trip to DConf '23. Even if you don't receive the final award, SAOC opens doors to internships and jobs, as some of our past participants have learned. It also provides you with material to present at a future DConf: one of our DConf '22 speakers was a runner-up who wasn't awarded the free trip, but got a free trip anyway when her talk was accepted. We're also looking for potential mentors. Applicants are encourage to seek out experienced D programmers to act as mentors prior to sending in their applications, but those who don't will still have some time to find one if they are accepted. If you are interested in mentoring a SAOC participant, please let us know at soc...@dlang.org so that we can help match you up with someone if the need arises. Mentors receive a one-time payment of $500 at the end of the event. For everyone else, please help us [curate the projects repository](https://github.com/dlang/projects/issues). This is a list of D ecosystem project ideas in general, but can be a good source of ideas for SAOC applicants. Candidate SAOC projects should require at least 4 months of work at 20 hours per week, and should be tagged with the SAOC tag. All of the details on everything I've mentioned here can be found at the SAOC 2022 page: https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/
Re: DConf Online & Symmetry Autumn of Code 2021
On Wednesday, 9 June 2021 at 07:47:00 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Symmetry has confirmed: we are doing SAOC 2021 and it kicks off on September 15. And I can confirm that DConf Online 2021 is happening in November. I'll be formally announcing both on the D Blog soon, with dates, deadlines, and details. [...]
DConf Online & Symmetry Autumn of Code 2021
Symmetry has confirmed: we are doing SAOC 2021 and it kicks off on September 15. And I can confirm that DConf Online 2021 is happening in November. I'll be formally announcing both on the D Blog soon, with dates, deadlines, and details. I'm announcing informally here first primarily because I want to encourage everyone to start thinking about the types of projects that would be good for SAOC and submitting ideas in our Projects repository before the announcement next week: https://github.com/dlang/projects/issues We have a few there already, but we can always use more. The SAOC work period runs for four months, during which participants are expected to work at least 20 hours per week on their projects. Please keep that in mind when you submit your ideas. You do not need to be a student to participate in SAOC. Students will be preferred during selection, but applications are open to everyone. If you would like to participate, now is the time to start thinking about the kind of project you'd like to work on and find yourself a mentor. If you are interested in making yourself available as a SAOC mentor, please leave a comment on the issues for the projects (in the repository linked above) on which you'd be inclined to do so. If you'd like to make yourself generally available as a mentor, please email me directly at aldac...@gmail.com and let me know. Each mentor is awarded $500 at the end of the event, courtesy of Symmetry Investments. I encourage everyone to think about submitting a talk or livecoding proposal for DConf Online. We're open to accepting anything related to the D programming language or general computer science topics. Submission details will be provided in the upcoming blog announcement. For the past couple of weeks, I've been editing the Q & A videos from last year's conference to cut out the dead space and irrelevant chatter. That has resulted in much shorter, uninterrupted videos. I still have three more to go. Those that I've already published have (v2.0) in the title. I've also added timecodes in the description of the new videos so that YouTube will show chapters, or bookmarks, at the bottom of the player frame. It's taking me several hours to work through each video, so I don't expect to have the remainder published until the end of next week at the earliest. The DConf Online 2020 Q & A playlist is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G1FoocVVPY=PLIldXzSkPUXX0PcnTlv175rEyfH66yaoI If you missed the talks last year, they are all here (along with the 'Ask us Anything' with Walter and Atila, and Adam's livecoding session): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQHAIglE9CU=PLIldXzSkPUXWsvFA4AuawPoMnq9Bh1lIZ #dconf #saoc
Google Summer of Code and Symmetry Autumn of Code Projects and Mentors
Some of you will have already heard that we didn't make it into GSoC 2021. Every year Google receives over 500 organization applications, but they can only accept ~200. I have no insights into their decision process, but I do believe our application was stronger this year than it was when we were last accepted in 2019. Given that we've missed out on two in a row, I expect the odds will begin to favor us getting in again next year or the year after. That said, it surely won't hurt our chances to have a larger selection of projects that students can choose from. Such a pool of projects also helps us if and when we have another SAOC event. So I just want to remind everyone that the project ideas repository is there year-round. Anytime you have an idea for a D project that would benefit the ecosystem, please visit the repository and submit your idea: https://github.com/dlang/projects/issues When the time comes for GSoC or SAOC, someone will go through and tag projects that appear suitable for the event. And I should point out, for anyone looking for a way to contribute to the D ecosystem, these ideas aren't exclusively for the two events. Everyone is welcome to come along and take one of these on. Just please be sure to leave a comment on the appropriate issue that you are doing so. It will also be great to have a pool of people who are willing to work as mentors during the events. Anyone willing to mentor a specific project in the repository should leave a comment indicating their interest. And please, if you see someone else has already done so, leave a comment anyway. There's no guarantee that any given mentor will be available when the event comes around, so having some depth to the list is a good thing. If you're willing to be generally available as a mentor, please drop a line to soc...@dlang.org to let us know if you're interested in mentoring for either or both GSoC and SAOC, and (broadly) what kinds of projects you're comfortable with. These steps will help prevent us from scrounging around at the last minute for more projects and mentors. It will also allow us to better show in our GSoC applications that we have a lot we need done and that we could really use the resources the event provides. I don't know if that will increase our chances, but it surely can't hurt.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code 2019
On Monday, 1 July 2019 at 09:24:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: The D Language Foundation is partnering with Symmetry Investments for the second Symmetry Autumn of Code. I've written up a blog post about it [1] and updated the SAoC page [2] with the new details. Potential mentors, please be sure to contact me or announce your availability in the forums. We want to increase the odds that each applicant has a mentor lined up when they submit their application. Mentors are also getting paid this time around. I haven't shared this on reddit yet. I plan to do so later this week, so please refrain from sharing on /r/programming just yet. [1] https://dlang.org/blog/2019/07/01/get-ready-for-symmetry-autumn-of-code-2019/ [2] https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Amazing! :)
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code 2019
On Monday, 1 July 2019 at 09:24:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: The D Language Foundation is partnering with Symmetry Investments for the second Symmetry Autumn of Code. I've written up a blog post about it [1] and updated the SAoC page [2] with the new details. Potential mentors, please be sure to contact me or announce your availability in the forums. We want to increase the odds that each applicant has a mentor lined up when they submit their application. Mentors are also getting paid this time around. I haven't shared this on reddit yet. I plan to do so later this week, so please refrain from sharing on /r/programming just yet. [1] https://dlang.org/blog/2019/07/01/get-ready-for-symmetry-autumn-of-code-2019/ [2] https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/canal8/symmetry_autumn_of_code_2019/
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code 2019
On Monday, 1 July 2019 at 09:24:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: The D Language Foundation is partnering with Symmetry Investments for the second Symmetry Autumn of Code. I've written up a blog post about it [1] and updated the SAoC page [2] with the new details. Potential mentors, please be sure to contact me or announce your availability in the forums. We want to increase the odds that each applicant has a mentor lined up when they submit their application. Mentors are also getting paid this time around. I haven't shared this on reddit yet. I plan to do so later this week, so please refrain from sharing on /r/programming just yet. [1] https://dlang.org/blog/2019/07/01/get-ready-for-symmetry-autumn-of-code-2019/ [2] https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Awesome! Please see also https://github.com/dlang/projects/issues/47 for the dlang/projects tracker and meta issue for all things related to SAoC projects.
Symmetry Autumn of Code 2019
The D Language Foundation is partnering with Symmetry Investments for the second Symmetry Autumn of Code. I've written up a blog post about it [1] and updated the SAoC page [2] with the new details. Potential mentors, please be sure to contact me or announce your availability in the forums. We want to increase the odds that each applicant has a mentor lined up when they submit their application. Mentors are also getting paid this time around. I haven't shared this on reddit yet. I plan to do so later this week, so please refrain from sharing on /r/programming just yet. [1] https://dlang.org/blog/2019/07/01/get-ready-for-symmetry-autumn-of-code-2019/ [2] https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Example of idea for student: A deep learning framework using together a LLVM SPIR-V enable and https://github.com/libmir/dcompute would be awesome
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 at 08:01:47 UTC, Ecstatic Coder wrote:
Btw I *had* ("And I'd be glad to mentor you on this :)", here
on July 24th).
Thanks for remembering me why I now better enjoy the Crystal
community...
Sorry, I seem to have missed that. But to quote from the SAoC
page [1]:
"If you are interested in becoming a mentor, please submit an
email to soc...@dlang.org and let us know which project, or what
kinds of projects, you would be willing to mentor, as well as the
number of hours per week you can make yourself available to your
code during the event. The event organizers may ask for more
information, such as examples of your level of experience with D,
before deciding to accept your offer."
I appreciate anyone volunteering as a mentor, but if it isn't
sent to me at that address (or my personal one), I can't
guarantee I'll see it.
[1] https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 at 05:22:44 UTC, Mike Franklin wrote: On Sunday, 5 August 2018 at 04:47:42 UTC, tanner00 wrote: Hi, I’m interested in working on this project and just wanted to touch base. Is there any word on who will be mentoring this project? I’m entering college this fall but I’ve been programming since a very young age and enjoy systems programming. The project is mostly about creating high-performance, resource-efficient 2D software rasterizer, something like this (http://nothings.org/gamedev/rasterize/) or (https://medium.com/@raphlinus/inside-the-fastest-font-renderer-in-the-world-75ae5270c445) If that isn't enough work for the event you can build on it by creating path objects with clipping and offsetting (http://angusj.com/delphi/clipper.php), rasterizing TrueType or OpenType fonts, creating drawing primitives, and even potentially creating 2D widgets (buttons, text labels, etc.) I think it's up to you how much of it you want to take on. I proposed the idea, but I don't think I'd be a very good mentor for the project because I've never created a 2D rasterizer myself. However, I'd be happy to help anyone working on the project in an unofficial capacity, and can probably articulate the intended use case for it. Mike I was 14 and a half when I implemented my first depth buffer based rasterizer, in 6502 assembly on a C64, for a hi-res mode 3D renderer. The algorithm, despite being "naive", is actually still an efficient one even now. I stored an array of x/depth ranges (one per raster line), and updated them while drawing the wireframe points of the 3 clipped edges, while updating the y range of the triangle. Then I simply iterated on the triangle y range and drew the inner points (between minimum_x+1 and maximum_x-1), using the filling color and interpolating depth. Clearly not realtime as my character-based wireframe renderer, I admit it. But this more than fast enough to quickly render a hi-res 3d scene in memory in *filled* mode. So this "dumb" algorithm may still be worth being investigated in your case, as this C64 implementation was meant to run on a rather similar hardware (very limited memory and CPU, only fixed point operations, etc). Just add antialiasing on the wireframe edges and you're done...
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 at 05:16:50 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 at 04:47:42 UTC, tanner00 wrote:
[...]
Hi, I’m interested in working on this project and just wanted
to touch base. Is there any word on who will be mentoring this
project? I’m entering college this fall but I’ve been
programming since a very young age and enjoy systems
programming.
No one has volunteered to mentor this project yet, but if you'd
like to write a proposal for it we can find a mentor if you are
selected.
Btw I *had* ("And I'd be glad to mentor you on this :)", here on
July 24th).
Thanks for remembering me why I now better enjoy the Crystal
community...
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On 05/08/2018 5:22 PM, Mike Franklin wrote: The project is mostly about creating high-performance, resource-efficient 2D software rasterizer, something like this (http://nothings.org/gamedev/rasterize/) or (https://medium.com/@raphlinus/inside-the-fastest-font-renderer-in-the-world-75ae5270c445) If that isn't enough work for the event you can build on it by creating path objects with clipping and offsetting (http://angusj.com/delphi/clipper.php), rasterizing TrueType or OpenType fonts, creating drawing primitives, and even potentially creating 2D widgets (buttons, text labels, etc.) I think it's up to you how much of it you want to take on. Be careful here. ASCII is easy to render, but Unicode isn't. Unicode requires BIDI support and a bunch of other stuff which are projects in of themselves.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 at 04:47:42 UTC, tanner00 wrote: Hi, I’m interested in working on this project and just wanted to touch base. Is there any word on who will be mentoring this project? I’m entering college this fall but I’ve been programming since a very young age and enjoy systems programming. The project is mostly about creating high-performance, resource-efficient 2D software rasterizer, something like this (http://nothings.org/gamedev/rasterize/) or (https://medium.com/@raphlinus/inside-the-fastest-font-renderer-in-the-world-75ae5270c445) If that isn't enough work for the event you can build on it by creating path objects with clipping and offsetting (http://angusj.com/delphi/clipper.php), rasterizing TrueType or OpenType fonts, creating drawing primitives, and even potentially creating 2D widgets (buttons, text labels, etc.) I think it's up to you how much of it you want to take on. I proposed the idea, but I don't think I'd be a very good mentor for the project because I've never created a 2D rasterizer myself. However, I'd be happy to help anyone working on the project in an unofficial capacity, and can probably articulate the intended use case for it. Mike
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 at 04:47:42 UTC, tanner00 wrote: [...] Hi, I’m interested in working on this project and just wanted to touch base. Is there any word on who will be mentoring this project? I’m entering college this fall but I’ve been programming since a very young age and enjoy systems programming. No one has volunteered to mentor this project yet, but if you'd like to write a proposal for it we can find a mentor if you are selected.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Sunday, 22 July 2018 at 22:07:00 UTC, Mike Franklin wrote: On Sunday, 22 July 2018 at 16:33:10 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: [...] I'm JinShil, the one who proposed the idea. As far as I'm concerned, if you're doing the work, you can make it into whatever you'd like, but I would consider a basic 2D, anti-aliasing rasterizer to be a success. I have in mind something like http://www.antigrain.com or Skia. A bonus would be a font renderer that leverages the aforementioned rasterizer (See also https://medium.com/@raphlinus/inside-the-fastest-font-renderer-in-the-world-75ae5270c445). [...] Hi, I’m interested in working on this project and just wanted to touch base. Is there any word on who will be mentoring this project? I’m entering college this fall but I’ve been programming since a very young age and enjoy systems programming.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Tuesday, 24 July 2018 at 17:03:27 UTC, realDUser wrote: What about being paid for the work via your home country? Strictly speaking, F-1 visa prohibits getting paid without CPT/OPT as long as I am physically in the US. In practice, working remotely and getting paid via another country while staying in the US is a gray zone, but due to the fact that the immigration policy is getting stricter these days, I don't think it's a good idea to risk a visa revoke :(
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Tuesday, 24 July 2018 at 15:53:37 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 13:41:41 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: I can't definitively answer whether not the U.S. government would consider it work, but I can tell you that neither Symmetry nor the D Language Foundation consider it employment; they view it just as Google does. I'll add that to the FAQ. Unfortunately, after checking this issue with a US visa attorney, I found that if I want to participate into this project, I have to work as a volunteer and receive no compensation in any form now or in the future. I'm really willing to join this program, so I was wondering that can I work as a non-paid volunteer in this program just for accumulating experiences? If so, may I work for less than 20 hr/w with some easier goals? Thanks What about being paid for the work via your home country?
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 13:41:41 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: I can't definitively answer whether not the U.S. government would consider it work, but I can tell you that neither Symmetry nor the D Language Foundation consider it employment; they view it just as Google does. I'll add that to the FAQ. Unfortunately, after checking this issue with a US visa attorney, I found that if I want to participate into this project, I have to work as a volunteer and receive no compensation in any form now or in the future. I'm really willing to join this program, so I was wondering that can I work as a non-paid volunteer in this program just for accumulating experiences? If so, may I work for less than 20 hr/w with some easier goals? Thanks
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 at 10:42:04 UTC, Andre Pany wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Another proposal: Adding D support to gRPC I started to add D support to gRPC but paused it due to lack of knowledge and time. One solution would be to add a D wrapper to https://github.com/grpc/grpc/tree/master/src by making use of the C interface of gRPC (https://github.com/grpc/grpc/tree/master/include/grpc). As template e.g. C++ or python could be used (https://github.com/grpc/grpc/tree/master/src). Kind regards André Juniper have an alpha C higher interface on top of the low level C core grpc API. It didn't look too bad, but I didn't have time to finish what I started (making a crude D grpc API). https://github.com/Juniper/grpc-c
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 13:02:33 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: Another issue of this program is that me, as an incoming graduate in the U.S., are prohibited to "work" in my first school year. (that law doesn't affect GSoC since summer is considered as the second school year). I'm not sure whether contributing to open-source projects is considered as "work" here. There are some legal issues related. I'm looking forward to some clarifications like (https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#is_gsoc_considered_an_internship_a_job_or_any_form_of_employment) stating that this program is an "employment" or not. I'm not an attorney working on immigration law, but Symmetry is not a US company AFAIK, so I don't see how that is relevant. Of course you should check with someone with appropriate expertise first.
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 13:02:33 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: Another issue of this program is that me, as an incoming graduate in the U.S., are prohibited to "work" in my first school year. (that law doesn't affect GSoC since summer is considered as the second school year). I'm not sure whether contributing to open-source projects is considered as "work" here. There are some legal issues related. I'm looking forward to some clarifications like (https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#is_gsoc_considered_an_internship_a_job_or_any_form_of_employment) stating that this program is an "employment" or not. I can't definitively answer whether not the U.S. government would consider it work, but I can tell you that neither Symmetry nor the D Language Foundation consider it employment; they view it just as Google does. I'll add that to the FAQ.
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 10:24:14 UTC, Ecstatic Coder wrote: But this BetterC minimalistic standard library (allocations, arrays, strings, slices, maps) is something which can be reused by many similar hardware-level projects. This is a project on its own, and as I said, I think it should better be provided to the candidate so he can use his development time on developing the rasterizer, and, if there is enough time, a minimalistic nuklear-like gui system over it to demonstrate its performance and usefulness. Indeed, having to port the druntime to new hardware is definitely not in scope. I can't anticipate what features of the language the developer will employ, but as long as they stay within the -betterC subset of the language, I think it will be portable to something like that used in https://github.com/JinShil/stm32f42_discovery_demo Even if it isn't portable, if it compiles and runs in -betterC on a PC, it will still be an excellent foundation to build on, and I'd still call it a success. Mike
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 09:52:54 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: Regarding floating point operations, I plan to use dmd.builtins/ldc.builtins instead of linking with libm. That reminds me. Something else to consider is that some of these microcontrollers don't have FPUs. Graphics libraries designed for microcontrollers often use fixed-point math as a lowest common denominator. I think, given the features of D, fixed-point or floating point could be selected at compile-time. But, I don't wish to expand the scope of the project. An all-floating point library would be fine, IMO, and fixed-poing math could be added to the library in a future iteration. Mike
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 08:08:03 UTC, Mike Franklin wrote: On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 06:24:04 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: Moreover, The term "dependency-free" in the project description often confuses me, because as a hardware-agnostic library the project does have to depend on external implementations like "sin"/"memset" or even "thread_start", and I'm not sure which kind of dependency is proper for this project: Should we assume a multi-threading model? Should this library rely on "malloc"/"free"? Correct me if my understanding is wrong since I had few experience on embedded programming. There is more to this project than just getting a software rasterizer in D. Part of the goal is to demonstrate D as a formidable alternative to C in micrcontroller firmware programming. D will never achieve that notoriety if it's always depending on C, the C runtime, the C standard library, or some library implemented in C. So, IMO, if you need to link in a library or object file that was not compiled from D code, then you're cheating. This is also one of the reasons why I suggested re-implementing software building blocks such as `memcpy`, `memset`, `malloc`, `free`, etc. in D as another potential project for the Autumn of Code. So, to keep this software rasterizer project within scope, I suggest creating naive implementations of those functions in D for now to stay true to spirit of the project (no dependencies, everything in D), and "make the point". You can those software building blocks in their own module, and let the user of the software rasterizer library link it their own implementation if they wish to deviate from the spirit of the proposal. Mike I agree But this BetterC minimalistic standard library (allocations, arrays, strings, slices, maps) is something which can be reused by many similar hardware-level projects. This is a project on its own, and as I said, I think it should better be provided to the candidate so he can use his development time on developing the rasterizer, and, if there is enough time, a minimalistic nuklear-like gui system over it to demonstrate its performance and usefulness.
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 09:09:40 UTC, Mike Franklin wrote: On Sunday, 22 July 2018 at 17:12:31 UTC, Ecstatic Coder wrote: 2/ Nuklear (https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear) Reading the documentation for Nuklear, I found this: https://rawgit.com/vurtun/nuklear/master/doc/nuklear.html#drawing To draw all draw commands accumulated over a frame you need your own render backend able to draw a number of 2D primitives. This includes at least filled and stroked rectangles, circles, text, lines, triangles and scissors That's basically what the Autumn of Code proposal would like to have built in D: A rasterizer with fundamental drawing primitives. So, it seems Nuklear is a library intended to be built on top of the proposed rasterizer. Mike +1 Then I agree that Antigrain is probably the best reference code for the antialiased renderer, as its code is small, very complete (ttf/gsv/raster fonts, top quality antialiasing, etc) and reasonably fast. IMO the better-C standard library runtime should be provided to the developer in charge of developing that rasterizer.
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 08:08:03 UTC, Mike Franklin wrote: So, IMO, if you need to link in a library or object file that was not compiled from D code, then you're cheating. This is also one of the reasons why I suggested re-implementing software building blocks such as `memcpy`, `memset`, `malloc`, `free`, etc. in D as another potential project for the Autumn of Code. So, to keep this software rasterizer project within scope, I suggest creating naive implementations of those functions in D for now to stay true to spirit of the project (no dependencies, everything in D), and "make the point". You can those software building blocks in their own module, and let the user of the software rasterizer library link it their own implementation if they wish to deviate from the spirit of the proposal. That's actually what I am doing now. Currently I wrote a short script to ensure the symbols in the main project within a subset (https://github.com/htfy96/rasterizer-d-embed/blob/master/check-no-und-symbols.sh). I also plan to create some basic dependency-free building blocks like memcpy/memset/memcmp (already implemented in https://github.com/htfy96/d-rlib) and malloc/free (maybe reusing some building blocks from std.experimental.allocator?) in separate projects. Regarding floating point operations, I plan to use dmd.builtins/ldc.builtins instead of linking with libm. Above this well-defined set of primitives, the core rasterizer will be built, so that users can plug in their own implementations or use the default implementation when libc/libm is linked.
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On Sunday, 22 July 2018 at 17:12:31 UTC, Ecstatic Coder wrote: 2/ Nuklear (https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear) Reading the documentation for Nuklear, I found this: https://rawgit.com/vurtun/nuklear/master/doc/nuklear.html#drawing To draw all draw commands accumulated over a frame you need your own render backend able to draw a number of 2D primitives. This includes at least filled and stroked rectangles, circles, text, lines, triangles and scissors That's basically what the Autumn of Code proposal would like to have built in D: A rasterizer with fundamental drawing primitives. So, it seems Nuklear is a library intended to be built on top of the proposed rasterizer. Mike
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 06:24:04 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: Should we assume a multi-threading model? I say, no. To get threads on microcontrollers, you typically first need to implement a Real-time Operating System (RTOS). If you want to implement an RTOS in D, and then build the rasterizer on that, that would be very cool!but also very challenging ;-) Mike
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 08:08:03 UTC, Mike Franklin wrote: You can those software building blocks in their own module, and let the user of the software rasterizer library link it their own implementation if they wish to deviate from the spirit of the proposal. Yikes! too many typos there. It should say... You can put those software building blocks in their own module, and let the user of the software rasterizer library link in their own implementation if they wish to deviate from the spirit of the proposal. Mike
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 06:24:04 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: Moreover, The term "dependency-free" in the project description often confuses me, because as a hardware-agnostic library the project does have to depend on external implementations like "sin"/"memset" or even "thread_start", and I'm not sure which kind of dependency is proper for this project: Should we assume a multi-threading model? Should this library rely on "malloc"/"free"? Correct me if my understanding is wrong since I had few experience on embedded programming. There is more to this project than just getting a software rasterizer in D. Part of the goal is to demonstrate D as a formidable alternative to C in micrcontroller firmware programming. D will never achieve that notoriety if it's always depending on C, the C runtime, the C standard library, or some library implemented in C. So, IMO, if you need to link in a library or object file that was not compiled from D code, then you're cheating. This is also one of the reasons why I suggested re-implementing software building blocks such as `memcpy`, `memset`, `malloc`, `free`, etc. in D as another potential project for the Autumn of Code. So, to keep this software rasterizer project within scope, I suggest creating naive implementations of those functions in D for now to stay true to spirit of the project (no dependencies, everything in D), and "make the point". You can those software building blocks in their own module, and let the user of the software rasterizer library link it their own implementation if they wish to deviate from the spirit of the proposal. Mike
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On Monday, 23 July 2018 at 06:00:14 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: Thank you for the suggestion. Previously I interned at a VR company and had some experiences writing code related to graphics, but I don't have any experience on embedded system programming, so I was wondering that do I need to buy a microcontroller or just testing it on PC would be enough? If it's the former one, could you give some suggestions on the starter kit? Well, I won't be the one paying you, and I don't think I'll be the one evaluating your work, so I don't think my opinion matters, but as the one who proposed the idea, I'll just explain my point of view. Microcontrollers have limited CPU and memory resources. Generally, they operate by filling a dedicated buffer in RAM (width * height * pixel_format_size) with pixel data. The size and format of the pixel data is generally decided at compile-time based on the needs of the application. Some microcontrollers have a dedicated hardware peripheral to aid in the blitting and blending of pixel data, but most don't. So, for all intents and purposes, this project is a software rasterizer in D; you definitely won't find any CUDA cores here. Understanding the capabilities and limitations of the microcontrollers will give you some perspective and understanding about the design tradeoffs you will most certainly need to make, but, once you have that perspective, in the end, you're just filling a buffer with pixel data, and I don't see why one couldn't do the vast majority (if not all) of development for that on their PC. That being said, getting a low-speed MCU with as little memory as 256KB animating an LCD display can be a thrilling experience. If you're interested, I suggest obtaining one of the STM32 Discovery Kits with a built-in LCD screen. See https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits.html?querycriteria=productId=LN1848 (Typically one ofSTM32F4 or STM32F7 models) This is the one that I have, and it only costs about $30: https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-discovery-kits/32f429idiscovery.html#samplebuy-scroll Furthermore, I've already created the platform code for you at https://github.com/JinShil/stm32f42_discovery_demo, so you should just need to import your library to main.d and try it out. Mike
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On Sunday, 22 July 2018 at 17:12:31 UTC, Ecstatic Coder wrote: I'm interested in the "Graphics library for resource constrained embedded systems" project and have some spare time this autumn, but I have some questions: - Does this project aim at creating a hardware-agnostic rasterizer supporting a few primitives like https://skia.org/ or implementing a full GUI library like emWin rendering widget and handling I/O events such as mouse? The latter one sounds a little bit challenging to finish in four months - In the past year I primarily wrote C++ and don't have much experiences with production-level D programming, can I get involved into this program? Thanks IMHO no need to reinvent the wheel for that. You can probably do both in four months, if you just "port" (separately) and bind the code of the two following libraries : 1/ swGL (https://github.com/h0MER247/swGL) 2/ Nuklear (https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear) They have a very open design, and are already quite well optimized for speed and memory consumption. Moreover this would allow the D port of the Nuklear library to also use a hardware accelerated renderer on desktop platforms. Nice isn't it ? And I'd be glad to mentor you on this :) Thanks! Porting seems to be easier than creating a library from scratch. The Nuklear library looks like a great candidate for porting since it only has a few external dependencies. swGL, however, depends on a large set of C++ standard library and threading model, which makes it difficult to create a dependency-free port. Moreover, The term "dependency-free" in the project description often confuses me, because as a hardware-agnostic library the project does have to depend on external implementations like "sin"/"memset" or even "thread_start", and I'm not sure which kind of dependency is proper for this project: Should we assume a multi-threading model? Should this library rely on "malloc"/"free"? Correct me if my understanding is wrong since I had few experience on embedded programming.
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On Sunday, 22 July 2018 at 22:07:00 UTC, Mike Franklin wrote: The software should be efficient enough to use on embedded systems like https://github.com/JinShil/stm32f42_discovery_demo Under that constraint, you'd probably want to try to accomplish the task with the -betterC-like subset of the language (https://dlang.org/spec/betterc.html). That being said, there's no reason the software couldn't be used on a PC with resources to spare, and it would probably be easier to do the development on a PC and just verify the implementation on an microcontroller periodically. I, myself, don't have much experience in graphics, so I don't know if I'd be a very good mentor, but if you have any questions about the goal or use case for the project, let me know. Thank you for the suggestion. Previously I interned at a VR company and had some experiences writing code related to graphics, but I don't have any experience on embedded system programming, so I was wondering that do I need to buy a microcontroller or just testing it on PC would be enough? If it's the former one, could you give some suggestions on the starter kit?
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On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects I posted a number of different ideas for ROSEdu Summer of Code at https://forum.dlang.org/post/aqlzjjfrwwxswptil...@forum.dlang.org. I believe those ideas could also be considered for Symmetry Autumn of Code. Mike
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On Sunday, 22 July 2018 at 16:33:10 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: I'm interested in the "Graphics library for resource constrained embedded systems" project and have some spare time this autumn, but I have some questions: - Does this project aim at creating a hardware-agnostic rasterizer supporting a few primitives like https://skia.org/ or implementing a full GUI library like emWin rendering widget and handling I/O events such as mouse? The latter one sounds a little bit challenging to finish in four months I'm JinShil, the one who proposed the idea. As far as I'm concerned, if you're doing the work, you can make it into whatever you'd like, but I would consider a basic 2D, anti-aliasing rasterizer to be a success. I have in mind something like http://www.antigrain.com or Skia. A bonus would be a font renderer that leverages the aforementioned rasterizer (See also https://medium.com/@raphlinus/inside-the-fastest-font-renderer-in-the-world-75ae5270c445). The software should be efficient enough to use on embedded systems like https://github.com/JinShil/stm32f42_discovery_demo Under that constraint, you'd probably want to try to accomplish the task with the -betterC-like subset of the language (https://dlang.org/spec/betterc.html). That being said, there's no reason the software couldn't be used on a PC with resources to spare, and it would probably be easier to do the development on a PC and just verify the implementation on an microcontroller periodically. I, myself, don't have much experience in graphics, so I don't know if I'd be a very good mentor, but if you have any questions about the goal or use case for the project, let me know. - In the past year I primarily wrote C++ and don't have much experiences with production-level D programming, can I get involved into this program? I think much of your experience with C++ will carry forward to D, but there will still be a learning curve. Mike
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On Sunday, 22 July 2018 at 16:33:10 UTC, Zheng (Vic) Luo wrote: I'm interested in the "Graphics library for resource constrained embedded systems" project and have some spare time this autumn, but I have some questions: - Does this project aim at creating a hardware-agnostic rasterizer supporting a few primitives like https://skia.org/ or implementing a full GUI library like emWin rendering widget and handling I/O events such as mouse? The latter one sounds a little bit challenging to finish in four months I can't say too much about this as I'm not that familiar with the proposed project, but here's what I can say: it's just a suggestion. It's definition isn't set in stone and is just a pointer to a problem to get you started. For more pointers and discussion, I recommend to ping Mike (https://github.com/JinShil) as IIRC he was the one who proposed this project and could also be a potential mentor. (and I think the aim is sth. to sth. akin to Skia) - In the past year I primarily wrote C++ and don't have much experiences with production-level D programming, can I get involved into this program? Yes. Applicants aren't expected to be D experts. Also sound experience in C++ will definitely help you (especially for such a low-level project). AFAICT a sound proposal and showing that you are serious about the project/commitment is more important than your D history. There are a few posts in the D blog about the GSoC in 2016 (https://dlang.org/blog/category/gsoc) which provide a few more insights, but in short none of the students from GSoC 2016 were well-known member of the D community before the GSoC.
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I'm interested in the "Graphics library for resource constrained embedded systems" project and have some spare time this autumn, but I have some questions: - Does this project aim at creating a hardware-agnostic rasterizer supporting a few primitives like https://skia.org/ or implementing a full GUI library like emWin rendering widget and handling I/O events such as mouse? The latter one sounds a little bit challenging to finish in four months - In the past year I primarily wrote C++ and don't have much experiences with production-level D programming, can I get involved into this program? Thanks IMHO no need to reinvent the wheel for that. You can probably do both in four months, if you just "port" (separately) and bind the code of the two following libraries : 1/ swGL (https://github.com/h0MER247/swGL) 2/ Nuklear (https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear) They have a very open design, and are already quite well optimized for speed and memory consumption. Moreover this would allow the D port of the Nuklear library to also use a hardware accelerated renderer on desktop platforms. Nice isn't it ? And I'd be glad to mentor you on this :)
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On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 07:30:26 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ "join us" for "submit an application" -> apply (confusing otherwise) Maybe sum up and make clear that each student can earn between $3000-4000, instead of capped at $1k. This is why I suggested stating the total sum clearly: "20 hours/week for four months for a salary of $1000 seems kind of crappy. Am I reading this wrong?" https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8yram3/comment/e2gttg2 You're currently requiring people to read carefully and do the math to understand this: most people do neither.
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I've said, that if we get signatures, I'll build the damn thing myself. Signatures give a very lightweight vtable implementation while also giving conceptual representation of structs+classes. Which for an event loop, is a very desirable thing to have. But alas, I'm waiting on my named parameter DIP and seeing where that goes, before continuing work on signatures. Thanks for the clear explanations. Glad to know that you're on this. I hope the importance of your work for D's "competivity" will be truly recognized.
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On 18/07/2018 10:53 PM, Ecstatic Coder wrote: On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 at 03:19:53 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 18/07/2018 5:36 AM, Ecstatic Coder wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ I'd suggest adding the following to SAOC 2018 project proposals : 1/ adding a Go-like http module to the standard library 2/ adding Go-like async IO management to the standard library, i.e. fibers communicating through blocking channels Until we get an event loop in druntime, both of these options are off the table. Sad. Then I'd suggest to add the event loop implementation to SAOC 2018 too, because the absence of a default http module in D's standard library may have very good justifications, but I'm still convinced that it doesn't help when trying to "sell" it to modern developers, considering that nowadays MANY of the applications they will develop in a professional facility will have to integrate http code to access or update the company's data. I've said, that if we get signatures, I'll build the damn thing myself. Signatures give a very lightweight vtable implementation while also giving conceptual representation of structs+classes. Which for an event loop, is a very desirable thing to have. But alas, I'm waiting on my named parameter DIP and seeing where that goes, before continuing work on signatures.
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On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 at 03:19:53 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 18/07/2018 5:36 AM, Ecstatic Coder wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ I'd suggest adding the following to SAOC 2018 project proposals : 1/ adding a Go-like http module to the standard library 2/ adding Go-like async IO management to the standard library, i.e. fibers communicating through blocking channels Until we get an event loop in druntime, both of these options are off the table. Sad. Then I'd suggest to add the event loop implementation to SAOC 2018 too, because the absence of a default http module in D's standard library may have very good justifications, but I'm still convinced that it doesn't help when trying to "sell" it to modern developers, considering that nowadays MANY of the applications they will develop in a professional facility will have to integrate http code to access or update the company's data.
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On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 at 10:35:04 UTC, Andre Pany wrote: Proposal: Multi IDE debugger support (for windows) [snip] This is a good idea too.
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On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Another proposal: Adding D support to gRPC I started to add D support to gRPC but paused it due to lack of knowledge and time. One solution would be to add a D wrapper to https://github.com/grpc/grpc/tree/master/src by making use of the C interface of gRPC (https://github.com/grpc/grpc/tree/master/include/grpc). As template e.g. C++ or python could be used (https://github.com/grpc/grpc/tree/master/src). Kind regards André
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On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Proposal: Multi IDE debugger support (for windows) Mago, the debug engine used in VisualD, has also a tool called Mago-MI which has a GDB compatible interface. Therefore you can use on Windows Mago-MI as replacement for GDB. Several IDEs uses this feature to enable debugging with 1 code line for Windows/Linux/MacOS. It is used in experimental state in IntelliJ, also there is support in Visual Studio Code and of course DLangIDE for which it was originally built. There are several issues which could be addressed in Symmetry Autumn of Code: - Mago-MI is written in C++. This makes bug solving hard. Rewriting of Mago-MI to D might make sense. - While the installation of Mago-MI is easy if you want to debug OMF executables it is very hard if you want to debug COFF executables. You need another executable from Mago, you have to register DLLs via regserv and you manually have to create a registry entry. An installation procedure for installing Mago-MI would be great. - There are some bugs in Mago-MI / and DMD (wrong debug information) which makes debugging hard. (https://github.com/rainers/mago/issues/21, https://github.com/rainers/mago/issues/23). Also Mago-Mi misses features (https://github.com/rainers/mago/issues/14). There are more bugs but not investigated so far. - As Visual Studio Code is already is already a topic for DLang Foundation, using this as reference user of Mago-MI would make sense. While this proposal seems only windows related, the nature of Mago-Mi is to enable IDEs having 1 code line for debugging on Windows/Linux/MacOS. Therefore overall investing into this topic is good for all platforms. Kind regards André
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On 18/07/2018 5:36 AM, Ecstatic Coder wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ I'd suggest adding the following to SAOC 2018 project proposals : 1/ adding a Go-like http module to the standard library 2/ adding Go-like async IO management to the standard library, i.e. fibers communicating through blocking channels Until we get an event loop in druntime, both of these options are off the table.
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On Tuesday, 17 July 2018 at 17:36:12 UTC, Ecstatic Coder wrote: I'd suggest adding the following to SAOC 2018 project proposals : [snip] Things on my wishlist: Improved REPL support (esp Windows) Jupyter kernel for D (someone might be working on this) Very smooth integration between mir-ndslice and the most common data science languages: Julia, Numpy, R, Matlab/Octave (might need way to call Matlab/Octave?). Some already exists, but clear/good documentation or tutorials would be good contribution in those cases. mir project for pandas-like dataframes mir project for regression, built on mir-lapack/lubeck
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ I'd suggest adding the following to SAOC 2018 project proposals : 1/ adding a Go-like http module to the standard library 2/ adding Go-like async IO management to the standard library, i.e. fibers communicating through blocking channels 3/ possibility to use automatic reference counting (with weak references) instead of garbage collection for automatic unused memory deallocation 4/ adding automatic cycle detection and collection to the automatic reference counting system (https://wiki.dlang.org/SAOC_2018_ideas) Thanks :)
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ I wish I could participate but even though I am 18 years old, I am studying at the secondary school. I hope something similar gets arranged next year. Good luck to all of the participants!
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 13:57:12 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 07:30:26 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ "join us" for "submit an application" -> apply (confusing otherwise) Maybe sum up and make clear that each student can earn between $3000-4000, instead of capped at $1k. Why limit it to students? If the goal is to have a youth injection, just use an age limit- say 18-25- I see no reason for the stupid college bias. Hi Joakim. Thanks for suggestions. Sure, thanks for funding this worthwhile initiative. I don't know what legal aspects there are relating to targeting age in different countries. We are definitely targeting people earlier in their careers. I agree with you that talent isn't only found amongst students, and I've in the past hired someone that didn't even finish high school and has gone on to do good work for the D community. So as far as Symmetry goes we are very open to unusual talent. A degree is just one piece of interesting information. Yes, but the current requirements exclude, for example, recent college grads who may not be employed yet and might do much better work than a harried college student. I don't know the legal risks in detail, but I can't imagine the risk/reward to opening it up would favor the current limitation.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 07:09:21 UTC, Timoses wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Typos "D programming lagnauge" (looks a bit french) : D "accept yor offer." Thanks for corrections. Great! Wish I was a student still : D. Me too ! Kidding aside, if you would be interested in a job programming mostly or partly in D please see our website. Lots of roles we haven't yet had time to post.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 07:30:26 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ "join us" for "submit an application" -> apply (confusing otherwise) Maybe sum up and make clear that each student can earn between $3000-4000, instead of capped at $1k. Why limit it to students? If the goal is to have a youth injection, just use an age limit- say 18-25- I see no reason for the stupid college bias. Hi Joakim. Thanks for suggestions. I don't know what legal aspects there are relating to targeting age in different countries. We are definitely targeting people earlier in their careers. I agree with you that talent isn't only found amongst students, and I've in the past hired someone that didn't even finish high school and has gone on to do good work for the D community. So as far as Symmetry goes we are very open to unusual talent. A degree is just one piece of interesting information. https://symmetryinvestments.com/careers/ There's quite a lot of work involved in organising something like this, and I'm very grateful to the D Foundation for doing such an excellent job. We can refine this for next year, but I wanted to make a start. Laeeth
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ "join us" for "submit an application" -> apply (confusing otherwise) Maybe sum up and make clear that each student can earn between $3000-4000, instead of capped at $1k. Why limit it to students? If the goal is to have a youth injection, just use an age limit- say 18-25- I see no reason for the stupid college bias.
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Great! Wish I was a student still : D. Typos "D programming lagnauge" (looks a bit french) : D "accept yor offer."
Re: Symmetry Autumn of Code
On Saturday, 14 July 2018 at 06:02:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8yram3/symmetry_autumn_of_code/
Symmetry Autumn of Code
Thanks to the sponsorship of Symmetry Investments, the D Language Foundation is happy to announce the Symmetry Autumn of Code! We're looking for three university students to hack on D this autumn, from September - January. We're also in search of potential mentors and ideas for student projects. Head to the Symmetry Autumn of Code page for the details. Spread the word! https://dlang.org/blog/symmetry-autumn-of-code/
