Re: [board-discuss] Seeking approval for server procurement
Hi Thorsten, * I'm not voting, but want to get this right ... Original-Nachricht Von: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org TDF has received a generous, targetted donation of $3000 to procure a rack-mountable server, dedicated for dev-related workloads, e.g. tinderbox builds. One of our sponsoring companies is offering for-free hosting, such that this is a one-off spending. This would mean, that 1) TDF gets $3k to by any server that then will be hostet by a sponsor for free 2) TDF gets $3k to by a certain server which is available, and hosted by a sponsor for free If it is 2) the board should at least verify and document, that the server price is reasonable according to current server market condidtions. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Electing a BoD chairperson and it's deputy
Hi, so, the board has elected Florian Effenberger as chairman of the board and Thorsten Behrens as his deputy. we had 6 out of 7 board members voting (making a quorum). Each of the nominees got 5 votes (as Florian and Thorsten abstained to vote on their own seat). To support the decision we also received 2 supporting votes from deputies. See http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/threads.html#02188 I'll update the website accordingly. Congratulations to Florian and Thorsten ;) regards, André Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:55:51 +0100 Von: André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: [board-discuss] Electing a BoD chairperson and it\'s deputy -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Board members, according to the current draft of the foundation's legal statutes (as proposed to the German authorities), the foundation's board shall elect a chairperson and the chairperson's deputy among the board's members. In short - these will be the primary legal representatives of the foundation. While having no special power, legal contracts need to be signed by one of the board members together with either the chairperson or it's deputy. ( Beyond that, the board can decide to give procuration to individual board members.) As we are going to file the papers really soon, I'd ask the board members to elect Florian Effenberger as chairman of the board and Thorsten Behrens as his deputy. During the board elections Florian and Thorsten were the candidates who reached the highest vote rank. Florian is for sure one of our most active members doing great work in marketing, is coordinating our admin team and did lots of preparations for the legal setup of the foundation. Thorsten is well known and accepted among developers (and not only there ;) ), and also helped a lot preparing the legal setup of the foundation. I think, my suggestions in the interest of the board members and all our TDF members. (If not, time to object is right now ;) ) Thanks and regards, André -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO1823AAoJED/K41EyZ3hDhU8IAJgIe70Ibg9bz7bLdXNmQbI9 kms99OOtBlflE2bgzfBA2fnnzlX5htE+EL0+7iK5/hAVOj741woDr59iDuFZrCF2 LyIYjN0EUVbCTilrS5NcvIyatQRCIQBeEFEvj2OohKNJ/J1UsU2g7lV2knAkr3yx m+EfG5aXvtKIJl586ZeLACXeefKc0f8LDk6NmZwmL2+svwZXbhBPNPoWenXD1gTm JAAgmcg8xmN9AbladBgQ07KkovNj92l4mjWxaSceAirQAnuDxP6xsABdwMISIwYa 5lpmX9HeZNtvDB1qjVOiNnljqfXZCXC/FMfrmD4YV1vDalM6mvNQfx6Ut9dfsco= =uzos -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity
Hi Lionel, Original-Nachricht Von: Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu I'm reading the wiki page CommunityBylaws, and I'm confused. It says These Bylaws do not apply to the actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity (...). Yes, (unfortunately) the current situation has some cunfusing points. We all hope that this will be resolved within the next few (hopefully two) weeks. But then they go on doing exactly that. For example, they explain how the Board of Directors is elected, and by whom. The board of directors is AFAIK usually the people responsible to the law / state / courts that e.g. the money of the foundation is used in accordance to the goals of the foundation. The Bylaws were drafted from a communitie's point of view, when we did not exactly know, what legal model the foundation will follow. So while many things in the bylaws match legal terms ans structure, it is not _exactly_ what we will see in legal statutes. So to me, it is factual that the Bylaws *do* speak about the actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity: they speak about the composition of the BoD, and the BoD is part of the structure of the foundation as a legal entity, and by law the BoD must be involved in the governance of the foundation as a legal entity. Yes, at some points, the bylaws match the legal structure, BoD is one of the perfect (99%) matches. Other examples: * The Chairperson (CH) is in charge of representing the Foundation. This is something we need to change, if the foundation will be approved by German authorities. As you quoted, in German law the Board (of directors) represents the Foundation. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies of the board (and MC)
Hi, so I have still no updates - only more names to put on the website :) Simon, Drew, Norbert, can you provide a short bio for the website? (use https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ as reference) @website team: A brief review of my changes at the foundation website would be welcome. Changes are visible on the staging site. Thanks and regards, André - Ursprüngliche Nachricht - Von: Andre Schnabel Gesendet: 07.11.11 15:22 Uhr An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org, Bjoern Michaelsen, Fridrich Strba Betreff: Re: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies aof the board (and MC) Hi, so far I got a reply only from Andreas - still missing short bios for Björn and Fridrich. I'd like to publish the new pages (current board and MC) this week. So - as long as I don't get updates it will go online with nothing here yet. regards, André Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:49:25 +0100 Von: Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org, tdf-members...@lists.documentfoundation.org Betreff: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies aof the board (and MC) Hi, as I'm currently reworking the TDF website (info on foundation), I'd ask all the new Board members / deputies to send in a picture as well as some short introduction. Please have a look at https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/board/ for examples. We are currently missing this for Björn, Andreas and (as I'm going to create a page for the MC as well) Fridrich. Please be aware, that in the last meeting the Board did agree to use our most favourite picture from the LibOCon, if you don't sent something more appropriate :) All other members are welcome to send in updated abstracts / pictures, if you want me to change the information. Please send this all to me directly. Note: I'm going to move the current fondation page (with the list of inital SC and founding members) to a history page, so all the information there will be kept. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] [RESULT] New Membership Committee voted by the board
Hi Thorsten, * Datum: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:08:21 +0100 Von: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org the TDF board of directors has now formally approved the following individuals as members of the new Membership committee: * Andre Schnabel * Fridrich Strba * Norbert Thiebaud * Simon Phipps * Sophie Gautier and the following individuals as their deputies: * Cor Nouws * Drew Jensen We would like to ask all successful candidates to formally accept their vote, by replying to this email. I do accept that vote and am looking forward to working with the other established and new memers of the MC. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Reminder to come to a decision (was: Preparing elections for the membership committee)
Dear board members, this is a friendly reminder that we need a desion if we will start the MC election process right now or if we postpone this to next year. The proposed schedule for the election process starts at the 4th of Nov. with the announcement of the elections, so there should be a decision by tomorrow. best regards, André Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:44:47 +0100 Von: André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee Hi, Am 30.10.2011 17:09, schrieb Norbert Thiebaud: Maybe we can do with the current MC as 'initially designated' for the first 6 month of the foundation and organize a MC election then, since it would be a good idea to have BoD election and MC election somewhat separated to avoid 'oversight'/'membership' issues. Seems reasonable to me - as long as there is a substitude for Thorsten and all of the other MC members agree to be on duty for another 6 months. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Thorsten's stepdown
Hi, Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:17:57 +0100 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Thorsten has unsubscribed from the internal MC mailing list. I assume this means his stepdown is effective immediately (which makes sense, since he is already officially in the BoD). I have therefore adjusted the wiki page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee In case there are objections to this, please let me know. No, this is correct. Thorsten joined us in our last meeting just to say thanks and goodbye. So at this point - let me thank Thorsten for all the work at the MC and especially setting up the election tooling and website. As we are going to have new MC members elected or appointed soon, I'd say is is ok for the remaining members to continue business with just four people for a couple of weeks. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Vote for MC elections
Hi, Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:30:27 +0100 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org The statutes in their current draft foresee 1. deputies are not attached to one specific seat holder 2. and the number of seat holders must be odd. You proposed Norbert and Simon as members/deputies, but André also wrote, you want to have a 5+2 setup. For that, one more seat holder is missing. Do you want to propose someone, or shall the BoD come up with someone? Or do you want to have a 3+3 setup? No, we'd prefere a 5+2 setup. It is up to the BoD to appoint the new members / deputies (if we do not go for elections). We as the MC would suggest that Simon and Norbert would be considered for such position. We had a brief discussion, if we can suggest a third name as well. We had some ideas but no strong preferences, so we would leave it to the BoD. Btw. I don't want to give the impression that the BoD needs to follow our suggestion. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies aof the board (and MC)
Hi, as I'm currently reworking the TDF website (info on foundation), I'd ask all the new Board members / deputies to send in a picture as well as some short introduction. Please have a look at https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/board/ for examples. We are currently missing this for Björn, Andreas and (as I'm going to create a page for the MC as well) Fridrich. Please be aware, that in the last meeting the Board did agree to use our most favourite picture from the LibOCon, if you don't sent something more appropriate :) All other members are welcome to send in updated abstracts / pictures, if you want me to change the information. Please send this all to me directly. Note: I'm going to move the current fondation page (with the list of inital SC and founding members) to a history page, so all the information there will be kept. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Associations around TDF
Hi, Datum: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:36:01 -0200 Von: Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org An: discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: Re: [tdf-discuss] Associations around TDF Hello André Yes, please open a page. consider ALTA from Brazil as interested NGO. Ok, wiki page started at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Partnering_with_NGOs For now I put some information about FroDev on the list of NGOs. Can you please add information about ALTA (and Sophie about La Mouette)? If anyone here knows about other entities, you are welcome to enhance the list. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org An: steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org What we should agree on soon is whether to run the vote just now and wait with the legal set-up until the Foundation is in existence, or whether we take the existing MC (needing a deputy for Thorsten, since he's in the BoD already) and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back on let's say effective July 1st. I am in favor of this solution. André, did the MC discuss that during yesterday's call? In case we go with the July-1st-solution, all current MC members need to agree to be willing to serve in the legal body of the future Foundation and be mentioned in the founding documents. Yes, we discussed that in yesterday's meeting. See: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-10-31 * all members agreed to stay for another couple of months in case BoD decides to postpone elections * MC suggests to have Norbert Thiebaud and Simon Phipps as additional member / deputy in that case Means - we would like to see the 5+2 MC setup and would ask the BoD to appoint the successor for Thorsten and two deputies. In our discussion we considered only two for that position (so other suggestions are welcome). All this onlyy for the case we do not have elections right now. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] freezing membership applications
Hi, Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:35:20 + Von: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 10:34 +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Not really - it's 3 weeks from candidate introduction to end of election, compared to 2 weeks for the usual MC meeting cadence. Except we just had another election that also froze the membership ;-) did we re-open that in between approve any more members ? if so, perhaps there are fewer problems ... MC is going to have a meeting this evening (frindly reminder to all MC members ;) ) where we process outstanding applications (and it will be the first time to process renewals btw.) ... - but I for one don't like this shut for business attitude. The timestamps mean there is no problem wrt. working out who the electorate are - surely ... as written in my mail for the proposed schedule: In any case the MC should have a spezial meeting to process applications one or two days before the date when the process is frozen (or snapshot is taken). So - we would very likely skip just one MC meeting, meaning a delay of additional two weeks. What is not a big problem (imho), but (again imho) it's not a big problem to continue MC's operation, as there is no distrust in the current MC. After all - what is more important is a decision *if* we actually will have elections before the foundations inauguration or if we schedule this for next year, starting with an appointed MC. Given that the propsed schedule starts on Nov. 4th, this is quite urgent. I'll suggest, we (MC) use the today's MC meeting to come up with a proposal for Thorsten's sucessor and two deputies. We then send our proposal to the board list and the board can decide how to proceed. Best, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Postal address of TDF Members
Hi Sophi, thanks for pointing to that (and thanks to Florian for further explanation). I think, we will see some more questions on that topic, so mine would be ... Von: Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com An: discuss@documentfoundation.org For the set-up of the Foundation, we need the postal address (no P.O. boxes) of the members to send them to the authorities. If you agree, send it directly to me (gautier.sop...@gmail.com) and signify explicitly your approval that we hand it over to the authorities (this is *mandatory*). Is it possible to send this to you in a cryped mail? I fully trust in you to handle the adress carefully (as I do trust in the MC to handle it carefully afterwards) .. but some people may not trust in the electronic media. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Diploma thesis: a survey about OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice
Hi, yesterday we received a request for participation in a survey at the German LibreOffice list. As the survey's target is the LibO/OOo community in general, I'm forwarding this to the related lists. I'd be happy to see many community members participating (but please don't crash the survey server ;) ). For more deatils on the survey and it's aim please read Fabian's mail. (German below). Thanks and regards, André - Diploma thesis: a survey about OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice - Hello! Within the scope of my diploma thesis, I conduct an online survey about conflicts of interest in online brand communities. The focus of the thesis is placed on the relationship Oracle had with OpenOffice.org as well as the one between the Document Foundation LibreOffice. I am aware that Oracle donated the OpenOffice.org project to the Apache Software Foundation nevertheless it is of great interest for my thesis to examine the relationship Oracle had with the OpenOffice.org community. To complete the questionnaire takes 5 to 10 minutes. All responses are absolutely confidential. The survey is completely anonymous. The survey is available at: https://www.soscisurvey.de/questionnaire1/?l=eng I would be delighted if you support me by participating in the survey. Sincerely, Fabian Dupper Student at the University of Innsbruck, Austria Hallo! Im Rahmen meiner Diplomarbeit führe ich eine Befragung über Interessenskonflikte in Online Brand Communities durch. Die Beziehungen zwischen Oracle OpenOffice.org sowie der Document Foundation LibreOffice stehen dabei im Mittelpunkt meiner Arbeit. Um einigen Fragen vorzubeugen: Ich bin mir bewusst, dass das OpenOffice.org Projekt mittlerweile an die Apache Software Foundation weitergegeben wurde. Dennoch ist die Untersuchung der Beziehung die Oracle zu OpenOffice.org hatte für meine Arbeit von großem Interesse. Die Beantwortung des Fragebogens dauert zwischen 5 und 10 Minuten. Die Umfrage ist selbstverständlich anonym und die erhobenen Daten werden vertraulich behandelt. Sie finden den Fragebogen unter folgender Adresse: https://www.soscisurvey.de/questionnaire1/?l=ger Ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn Sie mich durch Ihre Teilnahme unterstützen würden! Bei Fragen oder Hinweisen erreichen Sie mich unter fabian.dup...@student.uibk.ac.at Vielen Dank für Ihre Mitarbeit, Fabian Dupper Student der Universität Innsbruck -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Reimbursement for LinuxCon Europe
Hi Italo, Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:08:57 +0200 Von: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com An: TDF Steering Discuss steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: [steering-discuss] Reimbursement for LinuxCon Europe I have already asked for reimbursement of expenses that I will incur for representing TDF at LinuxCon Europe in Prague, but as I have found a better combination I am reposting the request with the updated budget: EasyJet flight: 90 euro Hotel Bella in Prague: 136 euro Parking and transfers: 54 euro TOTAL: 280 euro I therefore ask other Steering Committee members to approve this expense, as I would like to apply for reimbursement @ SPI as soon as possible. +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Proposal: Optional local NGO donation links on download and extension pages
Hi, Von: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org A local, native-lang NGO, that is in good standing with TDF, and fulfills the following prerequisites * has at least three NGO members, that are accepted TDF members at the same time * is an non-profit organisation * has, in the past year, organised or participated in at least one local or native-lang event, that was promoting or helping LibreOffice can ask for having their donation details listed on the native lang download and extension pages, below the generic TDF one. Multiple NGOs per native-lang category can apply, and are listed in order of application. Listed NGOs are reviewed after one year. Let's have this approved as a preliminary rule, and refine it during the LibreOffice conference. Fine with me as preliminary rule, so +1 Just as random ideas, what needs to be refined later: - who at TDF should decide if the criterias are met (I'd guess BoD, maybe MC) - what's the timeframe for checking if the criteria are still in place (1 year?) regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: drew d...@baseanswers.com An: discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page I know the topic about local NGOs is still to be discussed, I think we should keep in mind, that other NGOs might have the same problems and requirements - without this, some of the (my) answers would hardly have any sense ... My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. The quite simple rule for FroDev is, that the money gets spent for the purpose that is mentioned in the donation (as long as it is in line with general FroDev mission). If we would adress that internally what should we do about it? Take x% of the donations for FrODev? Besides the fact that this would 8likely) be illegal in German law I would not go for that, as the money rally should be used for TDF if it was intended for TDF. If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. FrODev is paying TDF bills from the money that was donated to support TDF. All this money is tracked and accounted separately. Apart from that FrODev is still sponsoring several activities within Germany (e.g. QA weekend, people's participation in local events, local marketing materials ...). While these activities support LibreOffice (and as such TDF) these are local activities - and would hardly get any priority for TDF as a global foundation. This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on it's own feet, financially, at this point? Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? Of course it will - it will still support local activities, just as other NGOs will do. This should at least be an interim solution until we worked out a concept for local NGOs. Well - I'd propose the solution as a general one for other NGOs. The problem is of course to define a certain level of collaboration between local NGOs and TDF. Among other concerns (which I've edited out of this email), I am worried about the precedent this sets. I don't get the message here. Do you mean that once we allowed this for FrODev, we will face lots of NGOs requesting donation links at the local download pages? If yes - I'd suggest to make the current link an exclusive one (given the fact, FrODev actually is not just the TDF bank account FroDev members also do the accounting, prepared lots of paperwork, FroDev is supposed to be the actual founding entity and FroDev is going to donate 10% of the foundation's captial stock - in addition to the donations that have been received for TDF). This decision should be taken under obligation (for TDF SC) to work on general rules how to define collaboration with local NGOs and entities. It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, should IMO be at that site. Again - seems to be my lack of English language - I don't get if you after all agree to have the link at the donation page, or that (althoug you have concerns) you would agree, that the German download page would be the correct place to go? Thanks and regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi David, * Von: David Nelson li...@traduction.biz I perfectly understand your point. It is not helpful when you declare a thread to be a vote among SC members and then people jump in with friendly and encouraging comments, because then the SC can't vote properly and unambiguously. Maybe label vote threads as SC VOTE:? Then people should definitely refrain from jumping-in on those threads. I doubt that people would refrain - obviously some people (at least one person) can not resist to countiously discuss here at the list, even if asked to move the topic to other list (because *there* are the right people for discussion). regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] contracting a lawyer for the foundation's set-up process
Hi, Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Tom Davies wrote on 2011-08-17 12:48: I think that counts as 6 votes with none against, so it's nem con or something. The votes from deputies doesn't count if the people they are deputies for have voted. Not that it makes much difference since it's still a strong majority with none against. I think so, too - but André planned the page, so maybe he has some insight on how to have the wording ;) well .. this has not so much to do with the page design ;) But I agree to count 6 votes (rather 7 as Olivier also approved). We can list two positive deputy votes not counting for the decision. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] contracting a lawyer for the foundation's set-up process
Hi, Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org For the process of filing, it is highly advisable to have a lawyer assisting us and acting as official point of contact. Not only will some legal topics come up, but also being represented by a lawyer greatly helps in being perceived as serious entity by the authorities. ... In order to have legal advice for the process, which might take a few weeks, I'd like to ask the steering committee to approve a sum of 3.000,- € in total. +1 regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, Von: Charles-H. Schulz I'd +1 Thorsten's short summary, but does it work with Debian rules? yes - it daoes, bacuse ... Le 10 août 2011 14:34, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : The tm rule then boils down to: stuff from the official tdf/libo website - TDF mark permitted. Stuff from elsewhere: TDF mark not permitted, unless permission explicitely granted. Debian can just use the LibreOffice logo (without TDF tagline), as they build from source without major modifications. Again - the only problem i see is that the TDF-tagged Logo is the default. And - we already have two logos, so there is no additional effort in creating and maintaining a second logo. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, Von: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Hmm, if that confuses you, it will confuse otgers. I htink, what is confusing here is that ... Le 8 août 2011 11:50, Caolan McNamara cao...@skynet.ie a écrit : I'm not super-attached to the TDF tagline for distro/personal builds, but I am attached to using the default logos, whichever they are, for distro/personal builds. ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should be used for instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document Foundation. Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi, Von: Florian Effenberger Gesendet: 29.07.11 18:24 Uhr Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 18:06: Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get it:-) Thanks for the clarification actually, I would like to ask to cover everything from the TDF account, as this would be fair. No - this would be absolutely chaotic. Imagine if every now and then a team comes around, doing some event and then *afterwards* asks for reimbursement, because this would be fair. sorry, clear: no from my side. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Please approve Simon Phipps as election secretary
Hi, this was briefly discussed in our last SC-Call and in the following MC-meeting. To ease the work of the current MC and help with the BoD elections (help with communication, organization and overseeing the election process), we would like to name Simon Phipps as election secretary for our next BoD elections. MC will still be responsible to prepare and oversee the elections, but Simon will do most of the communication on the topic. So I'd ask each SC member / deputy to approve this proposal. My vote is +1 regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OCA vs. ICLA: two names - one thing?
Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at So if I understand it right, the difference is a legal one with probably minor consequences in code usage: While with ICLA the contributer keeps the copyright on his own (and thus needs personal legal assistance or an additional contract in case of copyright infringement claims) the OCA / JCA allows the entity sharing the copyright to behave as copyright owner in legal conflicts. Maybe Apache and TDF members might have a differnt view on the effects, as Apache members are more used to US copyright law, while TDF members are more used to the European way. E.g. for me as a German citizen it does not matter at all if a company wants a copyright assignment from me or not - I just cannot transfer copyright (due to german law). The only thing I can do is to grant permission to use (e.g. to relicense) my contributions. I'm not arguing that any of the OCA / JCA / ICLA is good or bad - just trying to tell that we might have very differnt views on the issue. And while being different, all those views might be correct at the same time. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Vendor string usage in third-party packages of LibreOffice
Hi, just some comments, far from final decision ;) Von: Francois Tigeot ftig...@wolfpond.org This is an extract of the TradeMark_Policy web page: You may use the Marks without prior written permission (subject to the following terms): 1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified form. Please note the wording refer to the LibreOffice software. So this chapter is meant for the software itself, not necessarily the vendor of the software. There is another paragraph in the policy: Non Permitted Use You may not use the marks in the following ways: 1. In any way likely to cause confusion as to the identity of TDF, the origin of its software, or the software's license; So in your case, there might be confusion what the origin of the sofware is - you are the vendor, but you are not TDF. Therefore: It is absolutely ok to use the LibreOffice trademark, but it is questionable to use The Document Foundation trademark. If I understand it correctly, the way of building and distributing the pkgsrc version is very different from what we do within our project framework. So the way the vendors act are very different and this should be reflected in the vendor string. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] poll for call in calendar week 15
Hi, I won't be available at the weekend, so hopefully Leif can step in. Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:23:42 +0200 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: [steering-discuss] poll for call in calendar week 15 Hello, as discussed before, the next SC call will take place on a weekend. Here's the poll for calendar week 15, and I'd like to especially ask the deputies to step in when the member her/himself cannot attend: http://www.doodle.com/4egipf2887nmw4us Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] formal vote on Cor Nouws as deputy in the membership committee
Hi, Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To start work on the membership committee soon, all of its committee members are needed. It is possible, however, that Sophie might be unavailable for some time. To avoid the membership committee being unable to work during this time, Cor Nouws should serve as her deputy, taking over her responsibility during her time of absence. +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Wednesday
Hi, Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org how about doing one during the week, and the other during weekends? That could serve both wishes, as I and some others try to keep their weekends free. :-) +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Wednesday
Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org the next Steering Committee phone conference call will be tomorrow, Wednesday, March 16th 1800 UTC Still at the office and not sure if I can make it in time. So short update on MC: We are waiting for the TDF website to be migrated to Silverstripe (at least Christian, Christoph, Florian are working on this). As soon as this has been done, we will implement a application form (protoype already exists). After this has been deone, we can really start the process. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Minor incosistencies in our ByLaws
Hi, as we are currently preparing the legal documents for the Foundation in Germany, we found some minor inconsistencies in the bylaws. I'd like to ask the Steering Commitee, if we should do some modifications to our bylwas, so that the meaning is more clear. The issues we found are: 1st - definition of BoD deputies The bylaws only mention that Each member of the BoD must appoint one deputy ... There is no obligation, that a deputy needs to be a community member. There might be a risk, that BoD votes are influenced by non-TDF members. I think, we just implicitly meant that deputies should be TDF members, but did not exlicitly write this. 2nd - Provisions Concerning Possible Conflicts of Interest In this paragraph we list 3 rules to prevent possible conflicts. Each of the rule is written in a way that it would justify BoD's action if the rule is not followed. But the sentence In the event of a contravention of the above three (3) rules, ... seems to suggest that all three rules need to be contravened at the same time to trigger BoD's action. I'd guess, we meant that a contravention of any of the rules would call the BoD to action. 3rd - quorum for Solemn Address There is one sencence which suggests that Addresses *should* be signed by 30% of active members: The Solemn Address should ... be undersigned by thirty per cent (30%) of the Community's active Members;... But the second part of this sentence tells, that the MC must formally validate that the thirty-per-cent (30%) quorum is fulfilled. So - the quorum seems to be mandatory but this is not written in the first sentence. All these issues would be quite easy to fix (imho). We just need to agree ;) (I can write the suggestions after some time of disussion and then call for a vote.) regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Und schon wieder eine Frage zu Übersetzungen
Hi Karl-Heinz, I guess, this was the wron list, so I'm sending to german list as well. (Follow ups should be sent only there ;) Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:38:08 +0100 Von: Karl-Heinz Gödderz libreoff...@gukk-online.de An: LibO-global-discuss discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: [tdf-discuss] Und schon wieder eine Frage zu Übersetzungen Hallo, ich stoße in den englischen Texten ab und zu auf Schlagworte wie dispatch framework. Gibt es eine Stelle, an der ich nachsehen kann, wie dieser Terminus technicus zu übersetzen ist, wenn überhaupt. Ich denke dabei insbesondere an eine Konsistenz zwischen Dokumentation, Onlinehilfe und Hilfe. Ich hatte angefangen, die Terminologie in Pootle zu pflegen [1]. Allerdings enthält diese bisher nur extrem wenige Begriffe, da ich zunächst nur das ertfasst habe, wo es bei den Letzten Übersetzungen Probleme bzw. Rückfragen gab. Vorschlag: Sende fragliche Passagen (möglichst mit Referenz auf einen kompletten Absatz) an die de-discuss liste. Dort können wir uns dann einigen und die formulierung in die Pootle terminologie aufnehmen. Gruß, André [1]: http://translations.documentfoundation.org/de/terminology/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] RT for membership ?
Hi, Von: Sophie Gautier I begin to think about the tooling needed for the membership process. Are we going to use RT [1] for handling requests and follow up? Gnome is using it for his membership as well. Or have you already anything else in mind? Well .. I did not think about special tooling yet (at least not for our start). I was rather thinking of a mailing list to send in applications, a wiki page to track applications and member status and a web page to list current members. Maybe we (You, Fridrich, me) should first have a brief discussion on how we like to handle the process, not precisely thinking of tools. (E.g. who sends in applications, how to we prepare infos for our decision, how and wen do we make the decision and how do we publish our findings). How about some IRC chat on this? regarding RT vs. bugtracker - depends on who would work with the tool. I don't want to force (possible) members to create yet anonther account for yet another tool (yaafyat :) ). regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review
Dear SC members, please read, review and correct the minutes at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13 regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla
Hi, Von: Rainer Bielefeld Gesendet: 11.11.10 15:47 Uhr the current bug tracking system is sufficien for expert communication, but if masses of users will file their problems, we will loose overview, soon. There are too less sort criterias for subcomponents, OS-Versions, LibO version and and and, afaik we don't have an useful permissions management ... . I'm afraid we will run into problems. Is there any discussion concerning solutions for these problems? well, as you see discussion is actually going on. Problem is, that we need to move from discussion to action at some point. For the moment (and next few months) we will (have to) use freedesktop's bugzilla. This is just because we should first setup the foundation in a legal way, establish shome better coordination for admin teams ... But even during this period we should work on improvements and processes. E.g. we urgently need a team that will be triaging, prioritizing and reassigning bugs. This team would need to define some rules how to deal with bugreports (e.g. criteria for severity and priority, how to identify bugs that need to be fixed for the next release or should be included in bugfix releases). This rules might be followed, no matter what tracking system we use in future. So if anybody is willing to help with this (establishing and later work within these processes). we might build a small team and then discuss the issue. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation
Hi, Von: Gianluca Turconi Gesendet: 03.11.10 08:40 Uhr Il 02/11/2010 20.57, Charles Marcus ha scritto: It might sound complicated, but once it is automated, it would 'just work'. Of course, the system that holds this information should be backed up religiously...;) This system may work, indeed. It would cover several important national laws in which digital agreements are equalized to written ones. Ianal - but for German (and most EU countries) law, digital agreements are only equivalent to written ones, if there is a trusted electronic signature in place. So a just click thru would not really establish something that is legally binding. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation
Hi Andrea, ( just to mention: I did not make my mind on this yet, I'm just providing some thoughts) Von: Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org An: discuss@documentfoundation.org The paperwork was only a practical detail: not relinquising your copyright is the most important. I haven't seen any new contributor write that they joined because of (the refusal of) a copyright agreement; while I have seen several new contributors write that they started contributing because the Easy Hacks were so easy that they didn't require any previous technical knowledge. If we want an answer on this (would developers not have joined if there was a CA) we would need to ask them. This should indeed be asked at the dev-list. I'd bet, that at least some of them would state that they not would have joined. Do you need an example? Think of a happy ending where, to the benefit of users, OOo and all derivatives merge in a common project. There are many stakeholders (Oracle, IBM, Novell, Red Hat, Redflag, the Document Foundation...) and they might agree on a new, free, license with some special provisions due to the long history of OOo. Now, without copyright assignments/agreements every stakeholder would be able to join the unified project except the Document Foundation. By choosing against copyright assignments/agreements you are killing this dream... And I can't see how the Document Foundation could realistically say it is open to discuss with companies in this setting. Ok, got your point. But I (personally) see that this is very unlikely to happen. I might be wrong, but everything I heard from the OOo main sponsor so far indicated that they will never ever debate the CA / licensing issue on a common ground. Anyway - it all depends on the question if developers would sign the CA. And we can only ask developers on this. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Steering Committe Meeting Minutes 2010-10-27
Hi, Minutes from our last Steering Commitee call are now online at the wiki. Topics of the call were: * Update on: discussion about community structure started (how to define members?) * Website: decision on CMS to use * Decision on where to have public SC discussions * Review and prioritize a list of next steps, discuss where to make this public * Update on development status / 3.3 schedule * open discussion This was the first time that we had people from the community listening to our discussion. I hope we did not give a to bad impression of our English skills :) Actually we had only one native English speaker on the call. The last item open discussion was a quick decision during the call - we opened the microphones for those people who just were listening until then and asked them for questions at the IRC channel. Seems that this worked quite well, as we got some questions, that could be answered. I hope, we can continue this way - but I'd expect that there will be times where we have to table the answers for some later calls. best regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
Hi, Von: Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:39:29 +0200, Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com wrote: I see: The Document Foundation (members: Charles-H. Schulz, Google, whoever-you-want) with its steering committee/council; While it seem you and others see: The Document Foundation + Google + Whoever-you-want that collaborate with each other and have a common council for the most important decisions. There is no reason why there could not be a proper foundation that acts as custodian for e.g. technical infrastructure, and holds eventual trademarks and decides on licensing policies for these etc. and a wider council that is composed of all contributors. Indeed this should be the picture. Maybe I am thinking to much in terms of German (foundation) law already, where: - the foundation is an legal entity that has no members (but may have staff) - the foundation is bound to it's bylaws - the foundation is directed by a board (which has to be defined in the byaws) So the board of the foundation is the ultimate decision making entity. (Very likely to be the current SC for the first time.) There will be a wider council of contributors. What we currently discuss is how this council is established. At the same time I don't want to have the SC separated from the wider council. If we do so, we would again have the situation, that contributing members have no power on decisions of the foundation's board. I may be wrong with this - maybe someone can explain a better way. Again, compare with the OpenStreetMap foundation (http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/OSMF:About) with about 250 members (that makes the eligable to elect the steering committee for example), yet the recent relicensing campaign is decided by all x-thousand contributors. Again - It was not the intention to have a board of the foundation that consist of all the 1000 contributors. But I don't see the benefit of having a set of contributors working for the projects that a foundation supports and a nother set of people that just can by a seat in the foundation and then have voting powers. This would result in something like the MS bought ISO story. But as I am no lawyer and don't plan to implement governance things, I am going to shut up now :). Well - we just want to make sure that you are happy and does not find your contributions are misused. So - I just try to understand. André -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
Hi Gainluca, Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and evaluation... ;-) That's an important step ahead. On the wiki a read: all these contributions need to be non-trivial and last for a certain time frame. Then, there's a desperate need for a clear definition about what is *enough* to join TDF: 10 lines of code? A logo? 1000 work hours? A too low entry level increases the risks of hijacking, a too high entry level hinder the growing of the Foundation. In a two level acceptation process (contribution + evaluation of contribution by current members) it's fundamental, IMO, to set a level of contribution for membership that can be considered *consistent* in time and/or work and is *certain*. Ok, so may we agree to the general idea to this process (contribute - apply for membership - contributions gets evaluated - membership gets approved or denied) but need to find a good definition what amount / time of contributions qualify for acceptance? regards, André -- GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit über 300 Videos. Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
Hi, Von: Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com It looks good to me and covers most of the points I am familiar with in other volunteer organisations. The ND Manifesto is mentioned twice, but I don't know what or where that is. thanks for the reminder - I changed the text to be links. André -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave
Hi Ramon, * Von: Ramon Sole ramon.s...@opscons.com I would seriously reconsider the way I deal with my volunteer communities. Agree. And that's they're doing exactly. They're asking TDF involved people to resign from their OOo responsabilities. Nobody asked to nobody to leave the Ooo Community. They're just asking to resign from official responsabilities. At the end it comes somehow down to the point that those who try to change things should not take represantative positions within OOo - no matter how much they contributed to OOo. Well ... if someone likes to stay on this position, I cannot change this - but it is not my way to handle things. The really strange thing is that people from Oracle often tell, that we fixed the new rules and don't want to have Oracle with us. (You wrote something similar in another mail, afair). But this is not true - we stick to our committment to merit. And merit grows from contributions. Just look at the starting notes for How to become member at TDF [1] - contributions to OOo should definately qualify as member of TDF, so each Oracle developer would qualify. I told Oracle developers that this discussion will start on monday and that they are welcome to join the discussion - seems nobody is interested. I've been asked at the German Lists (Oracle developers discussed heavily on this list within the last two weeks), if we would really stick to merit, if oracle is going to join. I pointed to the bylaws of the interim steering committe [2] and made clear, that there is one seat open and that I'd be happy to get someone from Oracle in the SC. I never got an answer on this. Instead Oracle continues in other threads to claim that we don't want them. After all, the discussion seems to be a waste of time. TDF is not allowed to have discussions about a change at OOo mailing lists (had some strong advices on this already), but Oracle is not going to join the discussions here at TDF. Indeed - I would be happy if I'd be proofen wrong and we get a constructive discssion with Oracle. regards, André [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?
Hi Gianluca, Von: Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception by confusing the Document Foundation with the wider LibreOffice Community. Hmm .. so the first topic (term definition Member) is not very clear. I'm not speaking about members of legal entity The Docuemnt Foundation but of those people who will be recognised as the community able to influence the legal entitie's decisions. The Document Foundation should be like the kernel (or nucleus of a cell) that pursue specific purposes (included in its Charter) that the rest of the system (or cell, the Community) considers valuable and agrees to support. I tend to disagree here - while the Foundation is bound to it's charter community should not just support the Foundation because they like the Foundation, but because they can influence the way the foundation acts. Hypothetical example: Google Corp. develops a large chunk of code for LibreOffice. It's an important contribution, of course, and Google would belong to the wider LibO community, but is this big contribution enough to join the steering group of TDF? No - but it enough for those people at google, who contributed this code to be eligible for a seat in the board. And it is enough to have a vote at board elections. IMO, no, because you should contribute *and* formally and publicly share TDF principles *in the past and present and facts*, in order to join the foundation steering institutions. Oh - this is written in the basic principles: Members need to agree to the charter of the foundation Isn't this clear enough? (I just to try to understand your point) Another hypothetical example: tomorrow, Microsoft CEO wakes up and says to TDF: Here is a 20 million per year check in order to develop XYZ future in LibreOffice, can we join TDF and its steering group? The twenty million income is surely a good thing ;-) Sorry, if you think, that this would establish the right to be accepted as a Member you did not read the page at all :( There is curerntly no by in option to become a member. IMVHO, a double request, contribution *and* acceptation *in the facts* of the Charter's purposes, should be the base of any membership within TDF. again: I tried to have exacrtly this at the basic principles http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership#basic_principles_for_members regards, André -- GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit über 300 Videos. Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting minutes at the wiki
Hi everyone, just as info and because we need to be transparent - minutes of the recent Steering Committee Meeting are online at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings we are going to publish all minutes from now on and will have public agenda as well. regards, André -- GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit über 300 Videos. Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Wiki/Language Teams
Hi, Hier fehlt noch unser AP, bin aber nicht sicher wen einzutragen... André? Na ja - die Grobe Idee ist dort diejenigen einzutragen, die sich für die lokalen Communities zuständig fühlen , d.h. am ehesten die bisherigen Co-Leads. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams Am besten selber tun ;-) Jepp :) Gruß, andré -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi,
I started to move some formal information about the steering committe
and what we agreed upon (so far) to the wiki.
Those pages have a notice that the content should not be changed without
approval of the SC. I'd ask all of you to respect this, so that the SC
can work in wiki without the need.
For the SC-Members: please add the {{SteeringCommittee}} template to all
pages that are officially approved.
best regards,
André
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Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki
Hi Benjamin, This is exactly why I suggested we look at multiple wiki engines before installing one and proceeding. ACL features of Foswiki make it easy to specify a separate set of pages or an individual page, and control who has edit access, view access, or no visibility of the page at all. Well, my experience is that you can use whatever tools you want - If the community is willing to accept some basic rules, it is better to have an open system instead of putting restrictions at any other place. regards, André -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] blog post about the steering committee
Hi, to give all of you a better picture of the Steering Committee (to be more precise: the provisional Steering Committe), I wrote some background info at my blog: http://libobil.blogspot.com/ regards, André -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] New name
Hi, Von: Gianluca Turconi gianl...@letturefantastiche.com An: discuss@documentfoundation.org Can such new lists be announced in the announce list too? I'm subscribed to that list, but I haven't seen any news. whatever happened .. I sent it to announce: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/announce/msg4.html André -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] Foundation or Group?
Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Gianluca Turconi gianl...@letturefantastiche.com Should Germany be the chosen country in order to register the foundation or is that point a work in progress too? It's in progress. We (speaking of OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. in this case) are happy to be the interim backing for the Foundation activities - but it is not our intention to become the Foundation. Regarding the country - there are several things to be considered, like strength of community (which is very good in France, Italy, Germany), local law (esp. regarding taxes) ... We are currently working on more detailed plans - but we thougt, it was quite unfair to set up a Foundation and tell everyone that's it. André -- GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos! Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
