Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is simplicity the answer? I am with John Maeda on this one.

[angela]

I think simplicity is a way for users to handle it easily.But,I hold
the opinion that simplicity doesn't mean less features.It just let
users do what they wanna do in a simple way.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is simplicity the answer? I am with John Maeda on this one.

[Andrei Herasimchuk]

On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:32 PM, mark schraad wrote:

Guiding principles such as John's are often too simplistic (pun  
unintended but acknowledged). There are nearly always compromises  
with simplicity. I find that construction of a solution, followed by  
removal of its elements... until it breaks - to be a pretty  
effective exercise.


No offense, but this statement sounds contrarian for the sake of being  
contrarian. Maeda's Laws of Simplicity are:


01. Reduce: The simplest way to achieve simplicity is through  
thoughtful reduction

02. Organize: Organization makes a system of many appear fewer
03. Time: Savings in time feel like simplicity
04. Knowledge: Knowledge makes everything simpler
05. Differences: Simplicity and complexity need each other
06. Context: What lies in the periphery of simplicity is definitely  
not peripheral

07. Emotions: More emotions are better than less
08. Trust: In simplicity we trust
09. Failure: Some things can never be made simple
10. The One: Simplicity is about subtracting the obvious, and adding  
the meaningful


Maeda's book is not attempting to define simplicity as a means of  
measurement or as a recipe. It attempts to describe qualities about  
things that we feel are simple, and explain why that is. Note that  
even Maeda says some things can never be made simple in Law #9. In  
that regard, Maeda's book is fairly spot on with regards to discussing  
what it takes to achieve simplicity, regardless of the actual measure  
you need to use to determine if you have been successful.


In that regard, it's a fairly significant book that everyone should  
read, imho.


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Principal, Involution Studios
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is simplicity the answer? I am with John Maeda on this one.

[Weixi Yen]

Disagree 100%.

SImplicity does not = less features or reduction of features

It means a simple control for the same or possibly more features.  Having
less buttons on a remote does not necessarily mean you can do less with it,
if we take that analogy.

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is simplicity the answer? I am with John Maeda on this one.

[William Brall]

Simplicity and Less Power do NOT go hand in hand. It all depends on
the system in question.

Currently, I'm working on a CMS for the Army. One of the things that
will make this system work is selectively removing menu items from
people who don't need them. Primarily for major sections, but also
inside pages.

An example of the first is that Journalists don't need to access the
Page Management system.

An example of the latter is: A page manager who just manages one
page, need not be bothered with the selection apparatus for selecting
between multiple pages.

So, each user will get exactly what they need and nothing more. And
the control of this is also spread out around the system, so the
manager of a news team can give a journalist  on that team editing
privileges, meanwhile, an admin higher up gave that manager those
privileges.

Additionally, a lot of the simplicity of the system will be created
through the complexity of the filtering and prediction systems, along
with a robust passive and active rating system.

"No matter how wonderful your interface is, the user wants less of
it." 

A system as wide-spread as the one we are re-envisioning would be
impossible to create any other way. The user would be overwhelmed
with choices they don't need to be bothered with. And the problem
with many CMSs is they bother people with those choices, or at the
least, they form a culture where having the permissions to do those
things is desired.

So simplicity is always about loss of features, it is about creating
tools that fit the task. If that means more tools, that is fine.

Imagine great software like a toolbox. It should have a hammer, a
screw driver or two, a ruler, a saw. That'll get most people over
90% of the humps they will face. If they need to patch drywall, it is
as easy as going to the local hardware store and learning how. So then
there is another tool in the box. Some people will end up with all
sorts of power tools and specialized devices. But most people are
happy with that little tool box and never need any more.

The whole point of having an OS is that you can have many little
tools to do all the big jobs, and they should be able to be used in
concert in a way that makes sense. Sometimes it works to pack the
tools together into one App... most of the time it doesn't and you
end up with MS word.

Many applications grow far beyond their scope, or at least make the
mistake of thinking that their software needs to be all bundled
together to be viable.  Maybe that makes money, but being able to add
to the toolbox when you need a tool to do a job probably makes more
sense in the long run.


Will


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] What cool interactions do you want to play withat Interaction09?

[adrian chan]

this is just too cool I just had to share.

I just received video link from a friend whose company, naviscribe,  
has designed a pen that digitizes in 3d space -- just watch the vid.


i'll admit that i'm not familiar with the competition, so I can't  
attest to whether this is revolutionary or not. Looks pretty darn cool  
tho!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDv5U4PIWK0

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is simplicity the answer? I am with John Maeda on this one.

[mark schraad]

Guiding principles such as John's are often too simplistic (pun  
unintended but acknowledged). There are nearly always compromises  
with simplicity. I find that construction of a solution, followed by  
removal of its elements... until it breaks - to be a pretty effective  
exercise.


Mark


On Oct 30, 2008, at 3:57 PM, ali at amroha.dk wrote:

I recently read John Maeda's book 'The Laws of Simplicity' and also  
visit

his website http://lawsofsimplicity.com/
The Laws of Simplicity is a book written in the same style Don Norman
wrote 'The Design of Future Things'.
Few days back I came across the following link
http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/simplicity_is_not_th.html wherein my Guru  
states

that Simplicity is NOT The answer.
My Guru states that 'I conclude that the entire argument between  
features
and simplicity is misguided. People might very well desire more  
capability
and ease of use, but do not equate this to more features or to  
simplicity.
What people want is usable devices, which translates into  
understandable

ones.'
John Maeda states in his book 'The simplest way to achieve  
simplicity is

through thoughtful reduction'.

I was looking at my several remote controls and VHS and DVD players...
Even though these devises had understandable buttons and features,  
my mind
would still regard fewer buttons as a more userfriendly and easy to  
use

product.
For me Maeda's statement makes sense hence I am with John on this one.

If you disagree please comment.



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is simplicity the answer? I am with John Maeda on this one.

[Jeff Howard]

See also:

John Maeda's Laws of Simplicity
http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=11485

Simplicity is Not Understood
http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=13717

Complexity vs Simplicity
http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=12957

Simplicity (misinformation)
http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=15775

Simplicity (again)
http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=15757

// jeff


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is simplicity the answer? I am with John Maeda on this one.

[Steve Baty]

I think it's important to make a distinction between simplicity and 'less
features'. John Maeda's statement regarding 'thoughtful reduction' should
not be translated as 'less features' or even 'less capability'. Removing
functionality and capability is one way to achieve simplicity, but it is not
the only one; the challenge of the designer is to achieve simplicity through
other means.

Steve

2008/10/31 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I recently read John Maeda`s book `The Laws of Simplicity` and also visit
> his website http://lawsofsimplicity.com/
> The Laws of Simplicity is a book written in the same style Don Norman
> wrote `The Design of Future Things`.
> Few days back I came across the following link
> http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/simplicity_is_not_th.html wherein my Guru states
> that Simplicity is NOT The answer.
> My Guru states that `I conclude that the entire argument between features
> and simplicity is misguided. People might very well desire more capability
> and ease of use, but do not equate this to more features or to simplicity.
> What people want is usable devices, which translates into understandable
> ones.`
> John Maeda states in his book `The simplest way to achieve simplicity is
> through thoughtful reduction`.
>
> I was looking at my several remote controls and VHS and DVD players...
> Even though these devises had understandable buttons and features, my mind
> would still regard fewer buttons as a more userfriendly and easy to use
> product.
> For me Maeda`s statement makes sense hence I am with John on this one.
>
> If you disagree please comment.
>
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[IxDA Discuss] Is simplicity the answer? I am with John Maeda on this one.

[ali]

I recently read John Maeda`s book `The Laws of Simplicity` and also visit
his website http://lawsofsimplicity.com/
The Laws of Simplicity is a book written in the same style Don Norman
wrote `The Design of Future Things`.
Few days back I came across the following link
http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/simplicity_is_not_th.html wherein my Guru states
that Simplicity is NOT The answer.
My Guru states that `I conclude that the entire argument between features
and simplicity is misguided. People might very well desire more capability
and ease of use, but do not equate this to more features or to simplicity.
What people want is usable devices, which translates into understandable
ones.`
John Maeda states in his book `The simplest way to achieve simplicity is
through thoughtful reduction`.

I was looking at my several remote controls and VHS and DVD players...
Even though these devises had understandable buttons and features, my mind
would still regard fewer buttons as a more userfriendly and easy to use
product.
For me Maeda`s statement makes sense hence I am with John on this one.

If you disagree please comment.


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[IxDA Discuss] Inaugural Meetup for New Mexico Local Group -- November 19th

[Kevin Silver]

Hi,

For those who live in New Mexico, we're going to have an inaugural meet up on 
November 19th at 5:30pm at Savoy in Albuquerque. More details can be found on 
our Local Group site at: http://groups.google.com/group/ixda-new-mexico

You can also follow IxDANM on twitter.

So if you live in New Mexico and are interested in being involved with IxDA at 
a local level please attend. We plan on talking all thing IxD as well as the 
future of IxDANM.

Hope to see you there!

Thanks,

Kevin



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] incentive models for longitudinal studies

[Ricardo Grzeca]

Hi Meredith,

Why don't you progressively increase the amount of money you are giving?

1 - 30
2 - 35
3 - 40
4 - 45
5 - 50
6 - 55
7 - 60
8 - 65
=
 380
+ 420 for those who attended to all sessions

If they miss session 6, the next one they will get $55 instead of $60.

Cheers.

Ricardo Grzeca



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[IxDA Discuss] incentive models for longitudinal studies

[Meredith Noble]

Has anyone done a longitudinal study before? What was your incentive
model like?

 

We're asking participants to commit to 8 sessions, happening roughly two
weeks apart. We are fully prepared for drop-outs but want to minimize
this, obviously.

 

We'd considered giving people some money for each session (say $50), and
then reserving the same amount of money for the very end, which would be
handed over if they complete all 8 sessions. So they'd get $50 every
session for 8 sessions, and get an extra $400 at the end if they
attended all 8. If they miss one of the 8, the bonus money wouldn't be
paid out.

 

The trouble is, if someone misses session 5, we are worried that such a
model might make them give up on sessions 6, 7 and 8. If they've already
blown the big pay-out at the end, why bother continuing?

 

Any suggestions on how we can use incentives to encourage long-term
participation?

 

Thanks,

Meredith

 

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Can an interaction designer creat (great) interaction without (great) visual design skills?

[adrian chan]

Andy,

I think you're spot on and what you say about moving beyond the page  
totally resonates with the approach I'm trying to take on social  
interaction design. There are of course constraints on what can be  
done within a framed space, but you're right that present and future  
applications will require thinking "outside the box," so to speak. The  
interface will in some cases be a window onto a space, that space  
being a visual space, an information "space" (misnomer I think), may  
even be video/televisual.


In the case of social media, where user interaction is often  
communication, and is social, meaning that it is as much about how a  
user relates to other users as it is about how she relates to the  
screen, I use the concept of a "social interface." I break the screen  
into three modes: mirror, surface, and window, where the mirroring  
mode is involved when users see themselves reflected in the social  
"space," the surface is a filmic, print, web app or other  
representational design of content and activity, and the window mode  
is involved when users communicate directly to one another.


Ascribing modalities seems to liberate, at least for me, the screen  
constraints (including layout, nav, visual design) from the user's  
mode of interaction. As I see it, the user mode of interaction is very  
different when he's engaged in a self-reflective relation to his own  
profile (e.g. on facebook) than when he's viewing a friend's profile.  
In the former, the user reflects on his own self as presented back to  
him; in the latter he projects into the friend's profile and brings to  
it the history of their relationship. (The user "experience" of  
viewing that profile pag differs for a good friend vs a new friend).  
This stuff transcends what's on the page, so it's seemed to me that we  
need design language for the modality of the user's engagement -- what  
each user brings to the personal and social representations framed in  
the page.


Where you say action>reaction>interaction -- which is great -- I'd  
then add, for social media:


action>reflection
reaction>interaction
action>communication
communication>reciprocation

and so on. Not worked out, but the gist of it would be to formulate  
action systems for mediated social environments. I take a stab at this  
in some of my slideshare presentations http://www.slideshare.net/gravity7 
 (originals are at: http://gravity7.com/slides.html).


Actions in social systems are not limited to the interaction with  
what's on the screen -- social actions such as in facebook social  
games are better understood through the framing and handling of social  
interaction as covered by Erving Goffman, for example. Other  
communicative actions, which are those that solicit a response, again  
are governed by social convention, linguistics (questions vs promises  
vs gifts vs greetings etc etc), and so on.


It's immensely complicated but I think a three part framework for  
social interaction can be designed around a few insights provided by  
sociology and psychology:


self (self reflecting on self)
other (self interested in other, or paired)
relation (self interested in social action, requiring three + people)

which gives us:

monadic (one person)
dyadic (a pair)
triadic (a group)

This works out nicely too in that it's reflected in social network  
analysis, where networks are understood in terms of an individual  
node, a pair, and triads. The triad is significant in that it forms  
the basis of social, as opposed to inter-personal, interaction. Triads  
mean that if A, B, and C are in a relation, then an interaction  
between A+B affects C. You can build all of society on 1, 2, and 3. A  
group of 4 can be two pairs, or a triad and an isolate. And so on...


Social action then forms the basis of the interaction end of social  
interaction design; and screen modalities of mirror, surface, and  
window form the basis of the visual design.


Or something like that!

;-)

adrian





On Oct 29, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Andy Polaine wrote:


I suppose I'm thinking of the pure action>reaction>interaction of  
interactivity and interaction design when I think about trying to  
think beyond the page. It's often a case of moving beyond thinking  
of the screen (or browser window) as a framed space where things can  
be placed and more thinking of it as a window on a space where  
things can happen and that window can move over the space (as we're  
now seeing with things like the iPhone UI).









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[IxDA Discuss] (JOB Posting) - Sr. InterActive Designer - San Francisco - Recruiter - Contract - 13 months

[Nick Gasparro]

Hello Group,

Please contact me if you are interested in the following contract opportunity.

We are looking for a Sr. Interactive Designer for a 13 months contract.  Here 
are some brief details:

Responsibilities
Work with Advertising team in designing extraordinary creative banner assets 
and landing pages
- Collaborate and lead the creative team in conceptual thinking
-Work with the Advertising team to understand performance results, and offer 
creative recommendations and refine work accordingly
-Ensure consistency of brand and message across multiple campaigns

Skill/Requirements:
-5+ years experience with producing creative and landing pages for brand 
campaigns and direct response companies strongly preferred
-Expert proficiency in Photoshop, Illustrator, & InDesign required Expert 
proficiency with Flash, Action Script, and Powerpoint required
-Experience in HTML/CSS design for consumer-oriented websites and coding 
ability in HTML/DHTML, CSS (Dreamweaver or hand-coding) preferred.


Nick Gasparro
Managing Partner, REMY Corp.
Denver, CO 80202
303-539-0448 Direct
303-547-7469 Cell
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Click 
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[IxDA Discuss] PLUG: New UX webinar series, and a special offer for IxDA members

[Victor Lombardi]

Hi all – Lou Rosenfeld of Rosenfeld Media and I are excited to
announce the launch of a new series of webinars on user experience.
The Future Practice webinar series will tackle the cutting edge of
modern UX practice.  We've got authors Luke Wroblewski and Indi Young
on board to present the first two live sessions:

* November 13: Modern Web Form Design with Luke Wroblewski
http://www.rosenfeldmedia.com/webinars/webforms/

* December 11: Using Mental Models for Tactics and Strategy with Indi Young
http://www.rosenfeldmedia.com/webinars/mental-models/

Each webinar registration includes the author's book in both
four-color paperback and DRM-free digital editions. And we've got a
special offer for IxDA-members:  a whopping *50% discount* (when
registering just enter code IXDAWBNR).  This offer will expire at 5pm
EST on Tuesday, November 4.

We'll also be providing recorded versions for those who can't
participate in the live sessions.  If you like, we can notify you when
these versions are available for purchase.
http://www.rosenfeldmedia.com/webinars/recording_notification.php

Please spread the word; thanks!


Victor Lombardi
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me: http://www.victorlombardi.com/
SmartEx: http://smartexperience.org/

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

[Ali Naqvi]

Well said Eva... my point exactly.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password requirements are not user friendly

[Eva Kaniasty]

As always, this is a matter of when the cure is worse than the disease.

For most non-transactional websites, requiring a strong password is
overkill.  In fact, having a password at all is overkill.  The job
application scenario someone mentioned above is one example.  Is the user
served in any way by being forced to create an account as part of a one-time
resume submission process?  Nevertheless, this is quite common, and has
nothing to do with concern for user security, but rather lack of attention
to the user requirements for the task at hand.

I recently had an experience with a travel website which created an account
for me automatically using MY EMAIL only.  This was an awesome user
experience.  I could try out the site without having to go through the usual
cumbersome process, and an excellent example of  gradual user engagement.
(The site is tripit.com).

Personally, I have a set of password which vary in strength that I use for
different types of sites.  Recently I ran into the capital letter
requirement on a site, which my usual strong password does not have, and I
will never get back the time I spend having to email that password back to
myself (is that any safer?).




Eva Kaniasty
http://www.linkedin.com/in/kaniasty


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Ali Naqvi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Chris wrote
> `Amazon DOES have minimum password requirements:
>
> I tried to change my current password to "easy"... `
>
> Amazon does not tell you that you HAVE to include atleast 1 digit or
> any capital letters in your password. The user experience is amazing.
> One can buy items by clicking 3 times only...
>
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] What cool interactions do you want to play withat Interaction09?

[Dante Murphy]

Can we get a wii, and rig some of Johnny Chung Lee's gizmos?

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/


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withat Interaction09?

That subvocalization thing
An MS Surface (or the kids table)
RFID & other NFC technologies
Biometrics (not just for security purposes)
ok, Multi-touch.
I think a real lesson on touch screen technologies. Examples of
4-wire & 5-wire touch screens, capacitive, inductive, etc. I don't
think most of us understand the subtle (and not so subtle differences
between these system).
Headmounted display systems

Ok, I'll stop. ;)


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Mouse tracking

[Eva Kaniasty]

Clicktale is another solution, but their heatmap stuff is still in beta as
well.

Eva Kaniasty
http://www.linkedin.com/in/kaniasty


On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Kordian Piotr Klecha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I am afraid that writing from scratch is the only way.
>
> I've tested both ClickHeat and SMT - both of them are bugged.
>
> ClickHeat renders heatmap on improper page (some of archive pages
> instead of index), works slow and needs lot of RAM on server-side
> (rendering map from monthly use of about-200-uu-per-day-page
> sometimes drives to insufficient memory error).
>
> (smt) is rather nice sketch than working software - there's a lot of
> problems with usability, deleting logs, recording proper coordinates
> and so on. there is even important error on main .js file (smtPath
> set to "/smt/smt" instead of "/smt" in smt_record.js).
>
> Still looking for something better. VuLabs discourages me with bugs
> on its site - I can't add a website to track, getting worthless info
> instead ("Whoops. You landed on our error page. Rest assured that we
> are working hard to fix the problem...").
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=35061
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Can an interaction designer creat (great) interaction without (great) visual design skills?

[Dye, Sylvania]

Visual design and interaction should not be considered separate issues, and as 
long as they are, the final design will not be truly great.

The very fact that exceptional visual design can compensate for poor 
interaction should be a big clue that, for the user, the whole design is one 
thing - that the visual aspects *are* the design in many ways, and to draw some 
imaginary line between visual and interaction design is artificial and often 
likely to erode the synergy of the final design.

When these skills are found in one person - which does happen - so much the 
better. It's easier and faster to get holistic design when the designer has 
solid skills in both areas because there's a lot less back-and-forth involved; 
having a great interaction and a great visual designer is fine too, but they 
should become conjoined twins for the design process to enable great design.

Having visual skills absolutely helps to design interaction. One of the first 
interactions the user has with a product is eye movement. Where the user's eye 
travels, how it tracks the product, what it is drawn to, all are a direct 
result of the visual design. If a workflow consists of "click this, go there, 
click that," the workflow is really "notice this, ignore those, click this, go 
there, ignore all of that, click that." If the visual flow isn't supporting 
that workflow, even subtly, you have a usability problem.

The visuals - not just icons and prettiness, but how the design principles are 
employed, such as visual flow, continuity, hierarchy, feedback, proximity, 
visibility, mapping, visual distribution, etc. - are part of the overall 
experience and users will react to them. And this emotional response is 
absolutely a part of the interaction.

"... no one "interacts" with our artwork, except to form an [...] emotional 
response..."
That is the interaction.

Consider these two things:
http://screencast.com/t/pXQ9ia7FG
Their designs are pretty much identical with only visual differences, but will 
a user interact with them in the same way?

Sylvania Dye
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Techsmith Corp.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Mouse tracking

[Todd Zaki Warfel]

Well, that rules out most of our stuff :(

On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Eva Kaniasty wrote:

Try crazyegg.com, which actually works pretty well for click maps,  
as long as you don't have ajax in your pages, and your pages are not  
dynamically generated.



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Mouse tracking

[Eva Kaniasty]

(Next time I'll pause before hitting send)

Try crazyegg.com, which actually works pretty well for click maps, as long
as you don't have ajax in your pages, and your pages are not dynamically
generated.


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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Eva Kaniasty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Clicktale is another solution, but their heatmap stuff is still in beta as
> well.
>
> Eva Kaniasty
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kaniasty
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Kordian Piotr Klecha <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> I am afraid that writing from scratch is the only way.
>>
>> I've tested both ClickHeat and SMT - both of them are bugged.
>>
>> ClickHeat renders heatmap on improper page (some of archive pages
>> instead of index), works slow and needs lot of RAM on server-side
>> (rendering map from monthly use of about-200-uu-per-day-page
>> sometimes drives to insufficient memory error).
>>
>> (smt) is rather nice sketch than working software - there's a lot of
>> problems with usability, deleting logs, recording proper coordinates
>> and so on. there is even important error on main .js file (smtPath
>> set to "/smt/smt" instead of "/smt" in smt_record.js).
>>
>> Still looking for something better. VuLabs discourages me with bugs
>> on its site - I can't add a website to track, getting worthless info
>> instead ("Whoops. You landed on our error page. Rest assured that we
>> are working hard to fix the problem...").
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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>> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=35061
>>
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menus

[Kaleem]

Dave Talbot discussed Gord Kurtenbach's work at Alias (now Autodesk)
in his earlier post --
http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=34967#34978 -- which led to
Gord's PhD thesis on "The Design and Evaluation of Marking Menus"
:
http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~gordo/papers/thesis.pdf.

Bill Buxton was Alias Chief Scientist at the time much of that
research was conducted, and under his tenure Alias products began to
integrate the research. The most notable use was in Sketchbook Pro --
which was designed around gestural interaction -- but Maya and Studio
Tools also use these menus, as I recall. You can download trial
versions from Autodesk:

http://area.autodesk.com/sketchbook

Gord is now Director of Autodesk Applied Research Group in Toronto.
Here is a video from the early research conducted with George
Fitzmaurice, Azam Khan and Don Almeida that compares marking menus,
dropdown menus and pie menus:

"Gesture Recognition in Marking Menus"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtH9GdFSQaw

-K


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Mouse tracking

[Gustavo Gawry]

I've just find out that OGAMA (OpenGazeAndMouseAnalyser) can record mouse
movements (and be used for eye tracking data analysis). But only in a
slideshow that you create inside the application. I'm not really sure of the
kind of usage that can be made with that but I think that might be
interesting.

http://didaktik.physik.fu-berlin.de/projekte/ogama/

ps: You will need SQL Server express and .NET 2.0 to use OGAMA


On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Kordian Piotr Klecha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I am afraid that writing from scratch is the only way.
>
> I've tested both ClickHeat and SMT - both of them are bugged.
>
> ClickHeat renders heatmap on improper page (some of archive pages
> instead of index), works slow and needs lot of RAM on server-side
> (rendering map from monthly use of about-200-uu-per-day-page
> sometimes drives to insufficient memory error).
>
> (smt) is rather nice sketch than working software - there's a lot of
> problems with usability, deleting logs, recording proper coordinates
> and so on. there is even important error on main .js file (smtPath
> set to "/smt/smt" instead of "/smt" in smt_record.js).
>
> Still looking for something better. VuLabs discourages me with bugs
> on its site - I can't add a website to track, getting worthless info
> instead ("Whoops. You landed on our error page. Rest assured that we
> are working hard to fix the problem...").
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Mouse tracking

[Kordian Piotr Klecha]

I am afraid that writing from scratch is the only way.

I've tested both ClickHeat and SMT - both of them are bugged. 

ClickHeat renders heatmap on improper page (some of archive pages
instead of index), works slow and needs lot of RAM on server-side
(rendering map from monthly use of about-200-uu-per-day-page
sometimes drives to insufficient memory error).

(smt) is rather nice sketch than working software - there's a lot of
problems with usability, deleting logs, recording proper coordinates
and so on. there is even important error on main .js file (smtPath
set to "/smt/smt" instead of "/smt" in smt_record.js).

Still looking for something better. VuLabs discourages me with bugs
on its site - I can't add a website to track, getting worthless info
instead ("Whoops. You landed on our error page. Rest assured that we
are working hard to fix the problem...").


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Terms and Conditions with a twist

[bmclaughlin]

In the "for what its worth" department...the solution that has been
approved by legal is to have the T&Cs all out there (no forced
height/scrollbar) with the Agree check box at the end along with
other "signature" items to complete.

As far as comments around trying to simplify T&Cs, whether they have
value at all, who agreed vs. who uses it, what should be considered
outside of the scope of normal T&Cs, etc. ...
I don't what the atmosphere around litigation is in other countries
but here in the U.S. it is simply madness. Unless that is brought
under control we will continue to have things written in legal
terminology and have legal departments lose sleep over the difference
between someone being force to have all the text pass before them
before being allowed to accept vs. having it is a smaller box that
does not force someone to be exposed to all the text.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] ISO: Films about interaction design

[Erhard Wimmer]

This is a terrific and informative list already, so I would like to
contribute with my recommendation of Jensen Harris' (Group Program
Manager of the Microsoft Office User Experience Team) presentation
"The Story of The Ribbon":
http://msstudios.vo.llnwd.net/o21/mix08/08_WMVs/UX09.wmv

Though it is a presentation, it really feels more like a kind of a
movie and is absolutely worth seeing. The story take one and a half
hour and gives you deep impressions about the work of microsoft's
user experience team.

Also mentioned at
http://www.interactiondesign.at/the-story-of-the-ribbon.

Best wishes, Erhard Wimmer


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Favourites or Favorites

[Tim Wright]

As someone who uses UK spelling and is often confronted by US spelling, I
actually don't care what is written on the UI. It's only really an issue if
software is spell checking my work - and it's really annoying if it tells me
to write "color" instead of "colour" (like firefox just did then - damn you
firefox!)

Tim

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> For an internationalised software product will you use the term
> "Favourites"(UK) or "Favorites"(US)
> Internet Explorer in its menubar uses the term "Favorites"(US). Please let
> me know your thoughts.
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Terms and Conditions with a twist

[Tim Wright]

On a different perspective, I always try to think of Terms and Conditions
being binding on the *website* not on the user - the user is giving us data
as long as we agree to follow our Terms and Conditions. Then the T&Cs are
things like "we won't sell your email address" and so on.

Tim

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Gregor Kiddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My main issue with the idea of the T&C being legally binding is the
> assumption that the person who used the system is the same person who
> agreed to the Terms and Conditions, or even that they agreed to the
> Terms and Conditions at all!
>
> Take the recent Flash Player click-jacking fix. If a website used
> click-jacking to get someone to click "agree" on a T&C dialog they never
> see, are they still bound by it?
>
> Bigger picture again for a website, how can you actually legally prove
> that someone has ever agreed to your T&Cs? Without some piece of user
> identifiable information replacing the simple click action, this is
> impossible.
>
> Gk.
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Terms and Conditions with a twist

[Gregor Kiddie]

As other people have given examples of games, here's one that has gone
the other way.

Warhammer Online required you to scroll to the bottom of the T&Cs and
accept them whenever logging into the game.
They changed this so the scrolling was not required due to user feedback
that it was both annoying and confusing.

Not annoying enough to remove the T&Cs completely though ;)

Gk.

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Go to any Kinkos and sign into one of their self-serve computers.
Their terms and conditions make you scroll to the bottom of the
textbox before activating the buttons.

// jeff

bmclaughlin wrote:
> However, I am still looking for samples.  


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Terms and Conditions with a twist

[Gregor Kiddie]

My main issue with the idea of the T&C being legally binding is the
assumption that the person who used the system is the same person who
agreed to the Terms and Conditions, or even that they agreed to the
Terms and Conditions at all!

Take the recent Flash Player click-jacking fix. If a website used
click-jacking to get someone to click "agree" on a T&C dialog they never
see, are they still bound by it?

Bigger picture again for a website, how can you actually legally prove
that someone has ever agreed to your T&Cs? Without some piece of user
identifiable information replacing the simple click action, this is
impossible.

Gk.

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Favourites or Favorites

[Andreas Ringdal]

If this is a desktop application, you can detect the locale of the
user, and adjust accordingly.

Andreas


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[IxDA Discuss] Favourites or Favorites

[Harikrishna V P]

For an internationalised software product will you use the term 
"Favourites"(UK) or "Favorites"(US)
Internet Explorer in its menubar uses the term "Favorites"(US). Please let 
me know your thoughts.

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