Re: [slim] Who's going to fill Sean's shoes - technically?
I think you are reading too much into what I was saying, the reliablity issues people post are usually down to inherent networking issues. I was just speaking generally, and I obviously have not put my point across very well. I don#8217;t think Sean has ever come across as a greedy businessman (clearly we have different idea of what that means). Sean always came across as a guy very passionate about what he did and produced the product he wanted to and showed a great deal of pride in his work and a hunger for success. He brought onboard capable people who shared his vision. Success naturally followed and he (I hope) has done well for himself financially. Good on him. I think all I was trying to say making something very easy to use, by itself, does not always equal success although its part. Look at the Philips Streamium stuff, very simple to use as its just plain unpnp, with no plugins, limited format support etc. But they are very uninspiring products and don#8217;t generate a fraction of the buz that Squeezebox products create in online forums. Frankly they are just dull. I don#8217;t know the sales stats, but I have never met anyone who owns one. -- autopilot Cheers, auto. -don't call me Shirley.- autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Updated Squeezebox products?
TiredLegs;429034 Wrote: I hope the poster of this info on the Sonos forum, walera, realizes that he has violated the confidentiality and non-disclosure agreement that Logitech had him sign as a condition of participation in the focus group. (Hint, hint, if I were Logitech, I'd go after the guy and smack him with legal fees.) That is assuming they made him sign a NDA in the first place. You don't always have to do this for focus groups. Also, what is included in a focus group is not necesarily what will be produced. After all, they might not have gone down well. -- funkstar my collection: *1*x boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black, *1*x sb2 wired (silver), *1*x sb (black) *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63727 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Product Longevity
Hello everyone. I'm interested in views as to how many years I could expect a Squeezebox to function fault free. If you own one of these, could you let me know how long you've had it and whether it continues to work :) This is in relation to a dispute I'm having with DABS.COM All input greatly received. Thanks Simon -- Gooner Gooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PDA controller solution
While using SlimControl tonight, I thought of another enhancement/suggestion. It'd be great if it had the ability to Play next and move up and down in a playlist - just like SlimRemote (if you've seen that). Maybe by the same method - press and hold on a song [for instance] presents a menu to either add to playlist (obviously),or play next, etc. -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62486 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
My oldest is an original Squeezebox dating back to 2003. It works just fine and has never had a problem. I also have Squeezebox 2 from 2005 and Duet I purchased sometime in 2008. I have had no problems with any of them. -- stevek1006 -Steve -- Steven Kramer stevek1050...@comcast.net -- stevek1006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
How long is a piece of string? Don't forget, we're talking about a computer product so I certainly wouldn't expect 20++ years like other appliances. My SB3 is three years old and no problems yet. I don't have any reason not to see why it wouldn't double that easily and possibly make 10 years without an issue. There are many on this very forum using almost 10 year old SlimMP3s and SB1s - they're still supported by SC and are presenting no issues. Great work Slim Devices!! -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
I have an SB2 purchased when it was released in 05 which continues to work well and my better half is still running his original SB purchased in 03/04. As already noted, there are people still running the SLIMP3 (first released in 2001) quite happily. SB products do fail (wireless card issues, display issues and power issues seem most common - also people dropping them!), but my sense is that they are generally fairly reliable. SD will also try to repair failed units even if out of warranty, so if you're in dispute with DABS, they might be persuaded to pay the $90 charge* plus PP if they aren't prepared to give you a new unit. *not sure if this is still the flat price for an attempted repair -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Oh yeah, I'm giving 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/Siduhe) a try - and surprising myself how many interesting people are out there... Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
I'm interested in views as to how many years I could expect a Squeezebox to function fault free. I'm still using my SliMP3 from 2003. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Thanks for your feedback so far. This all sounds positive and helps my case. If anyone else has a squeezebox classic, please let me know how long you've had it and if it continues to function. Thanks Simon -- Gooner Gooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
2 Classics, 2 years old each, and my brother has a pair as well, maybe a year older. No issues at all. Nothing but goodness =). Best of luck! -- Keymaster Keymaster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30281 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Electronic devices that have no moving parts and generate no (or very little) heat can last almost forever. I have had a classic for 5 years with no problems. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover artÂ… All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner;429235 Wrote: Thanks for your feedback so far. This all sounds positive and helps my case. If anyone else has a squeezebox classic, please let me know how long you've had it and if it continues to function. Thanks Simon Also have 2 Classics (what I would call the SB3). Both purchased in early 2006. One used daily, one used pretty much non-stop for two years but now replaced by a Boom and out of general use (in one of our spare bedrooms)* Both working fine save for a very slight amount of screenburn on the display in one particular area, on the daily use one. * This thread has now made me count up the number and variety of SD products in occasional and regular use in our home. Gulp. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Oh yeah, I'm giving 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/Siduhe) a try - and surprising myself how many interesting people are out there... Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
3 Classics, all purchased before the Logitech takeover, all running fine. No display burn in or any other issues. -- sc53 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Both my SB3's (now the classic) were bought in early 2006, both going scrong. My SB2, SB and SliMP3 all still work too. -- funkstar my collection: *1*x boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black, *1*x sb2 wired (silver), *1*x sb (black) *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
I bought all my squeezeboxen shortly after they were released. I've had some problems with the original squeezebox (not Classic) but not with other models. 2 SLIMP3s - no problems since original purchase 3 Squeezebox 1s - 1 VFD display died about 1.5 years after purchase, replacement part purchased. 1 unknown problem on the main circuit board about 2 years after purchase (different unit). This one got put back in the box for spare parts and replaced with a SB3. 1 Squeezebox 3 - no problems since original purchase Hope this helps - despite those problems I will continue to buy more as required :) -- jth jth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner;429226 Wrote: If you own one of these, could you let me know how long you've had it and whether it continues to work :) This is in relation to a dispute I'm having with DABS.COM I have an SB2 bought in April 2005 which has never missed a beat. What's the problem you're having with DABS? I've done a lot of business with them and they always seemed pretty reputable to me. I have had cause to return a couple of items and they never made a fuss. If you've got a SB that's gone faulty within a year, then they are obliged to get it fixed (or replace it) under warranty. If it's more than a year old, then it'll be out of warranty and they're perfectly within their rights to refer you to the manufacturer. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner;429235 Wrote: Thanks for your feedback so far. This all sounds positive and helps my case. If anyone else has a squeezebox classic, please let me know how long you've had it and if it continues to function. All my SBs are fine. The only hardware problems I have had have been with pre-production versions used during beta testing. And when those problems popped up, Slim Devices / Logitech cheefully replaced them free of charge. More importantly, those specific issues do not seem to be problems with the final production models. My SB family includes: -- 1 x SB3 (aka SB Classic) purchased in December 2005 -- 2 x SB2s that I purchased second hand in 2006 (original owners probably purchased in 2005, but one of them could have been 2006) -- 2 x SB Duet Receivers acquired in Jan-Mar 2008 (both pre-production units. One has a defective RJ-45 port, an issue that appears to have been resolved before the final product started shipping.) -- 3 x SB Duet Controllers acquired between Sept 2007 and Jan 2008 (2 pre-production units had to be replaced because of a UUID problem) -- 1 x SB Boom acquired June 2008 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner;429226 Wrote: Hello everyone. I'm interested in views as to how many years I could expect a Squeezebox to function fault free. If you own one of these, could you let me know how long you've had it and whether it continues to work :) This is in relation to a dispute I'm having with DABS.COM All input greatly received. Thanks Simon Maybe some details on your situation would result in some more insightful responses. I think the SB3's have a 2 yr mfr warranty. I'm guessing DABS is a reseller of SB players? Not sure why they would be involved past a possible 30 day return policy. My SB3 is 2 years old, used often, no problems. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Like most solid state products, Squeezebox products have a bathtub curve reliability characteristic. This means if you're going to have a failure it is most likely to occur out-of-the-box (shipping trauma) or within the first few weeks of ownership (faulty component). After that, it should last until the DCI (direct cranial implant) MP3 players become available. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
seanadams;429297 Wrote: After that, it should last until the DCI (direct cranial implant) MP3 players become available. MP3? I figured the DCI gear would at least be Red Book PCM quality. MP3 sampling artifacts pumped straight in the neurons would be so LAME. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim AllQuiet BlankSaver ContextMenu FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] KCRW Streams
Thanks... these are mostly podcast. I'm looking to stream a flash-only based radio show from anne litt... and can't easily find the url to copy and paste. scott -- Scott Scott's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=229 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64092 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner wrote: I'm interested in views as to how many years I could expect a Squeezebox to function fault free. I've got three SB-1 from ~2003 that work fine. Plus a Duet, Boom, and Transporter. I've never had a failure. I've got 25 or more Slim Years of experience. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner;429226 Wrote: Hello everyone. I'm interested in views as to how many years I could expect a Squeezebox to function fault free. If you own one of these, could you let me know how long you've had it and whether it continues to work :) This is in relation to a dispute I'm having with DABS.COM All input greatly received. Thanks Simon Simon, hello and welcome to the Forums and the wonderful world of Squeezebox. Sorry to hear your having a problem. Knock on wood my Squeezeboxes are no longer under warranty and all still doing fine. I think your real question should be whether or not your unit is still within the factory warranty. If not, I am sorry to say this but you are most likely barking up the wrong tree. After all it is an electronic device and parts can just up and die even with the best of manufacture's intentions (which is the case with SC). It could have been something you did or just a simple power surge. Hardly anything lasts for ever and if its electronic it might not come back on the next time any of us hits the power button. BTW, I am assuming you checked to make sure it wasn't something simple like the power supply being dead? -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner wrote: Hello everyone. I'm interested in views as to how many years I could expect a Squeezebox to function fault free. If you own one of these, could you let me know how long you've had it and whether it continues to work :) This is in relation to a dispute I'm having with DABS.COM All input greatly received. Simon, As you're talking about dabs.com and your handle is gooner (Arsenal fan?) I am assuming you're in the UK? You might find this interesting: http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/consumers/fact-sheets/page38311.html R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
toby10;429283 Wrote: Maybe some details on your situation would result in some more insightful responses. I think the SB3's have a 2 yr mfr warranty. I'm guessing DABS is a reseller of SB players? Not sure why they would be involved past a possible 30 day return policy. Looks like you are thinking about it from a US point of view. Dabs are a UK company and UK consumer law is _very_ different to the US. In the UK it is the retailers responsibility if a product fails before a within a reasonable period. What the reasonable period is deemed to be can extend to years, not just the typical US 30 days return policy. Any warranty a manufacturer might choose to provide is in addition to the rights the consumer has under the UK Sale Of Goods act. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who's going to fill Sean's shoes - technically?
i didn't think you were implying sean/dean were rapaciously greedy, i was just talking in general. however, try an experiment... lend a SB to someone who isn't into computers, but uses them for email and www. don't help them at all, and see how far they get, how long it takes, and/or gauge their reactions. here's a perfect example... my dad, who is fairly old but loves computers and music on them and the stereo, does not understand things like closing the web browser does NOT turn off SC. therefore, the playlist could just keep going, computer would never sleep, and he'd never know or figure it out, and thats just ONE aspect. now, clearly, he should learn, and aiming this at old people isn't the wave of the future, BUT there are lots of people my age (mid 30s) who simply would not grasp many concepts of SC or enjoy the exp of the webui. in a recent thread elsewhere, jjzolx summed it up perfectly, that the webui simply doesn't cut it, and i couldn't agree more. winamp however, is something he does understand, and if a plugin could power the SBR, he'd be much happier, and i think find it all more appealing. true, winamp+plugin wouldn't do everything SC does, but he would never use most of that stuff anyway. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 sbc (my home) / sbr (parent's home) - w/sc 7.3.3b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Robin Bowes;429316 Wrote: Simon, As you're talking about dabs.com and your handle is gooner (Arsenal fan?) I am assuming you're in the UK? You might find this interesting: http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/consumers/fact-sheets/page38311.html R. Out of curiosity I scanned the linked material - Very interesting. I'm not a retailer, but I don't think a rule like that would work very well in the US. I'd be interested to know more about how it works in the UK. This would seem to really put sellers in a precarious position. Maybe that's why things always seem so expensive in the UK (and not just because of exchange rates and/or VAT). They would need to pay for such a long term guarantee some how, and maybe the high prices are the result. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
cliveb;429279 Wrote: What's the problem you're having with DABS? I've done a lot of business with them and they always seemed pretty reputable to me. I have had cause to return a couple of items and they never made a fuss. If you've got a SB that's gone faulty within a year, then they are obliged to get it fixed (or replace it) under warranty. If it's more than a year old, then it'll be out of warranty and they're perfectly within their rights to refer you to the manufacturer. Not true! ok - the scenario is that I bought my SB3 in April 2006, it recently died i.e. no activity when plugged into the mains. I since became aware that under uk law, the Sales and Supply of Goods Act 1994 stipulates that the supplier (not manufacturer) is liable to either refund, repair or replace the product for anything up to 6 years from purchase if the product fails within a reasonable period. DABS responded today stating that it was not reasonable to expect an SB3 to be without fault after 36 months. Now it is up to me, the purchaser, to prove otherwise. All the responses in this thread are a great help because I can state e.g. 20 people have posted experiences of SB3 working for 3 years plus, and none have had a catastrophic failure such as mine in such a short period. Therefore it is reasonable that I should expect my unit to last for a comparable amount of time to that of fellow owners and as it hasn't, there was clearly an inherent fault with the unit. So we'll see where it goes next. -- Gooner Gooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner;429326 Wrote: the scenario is that I bought my SB3 in April 2006, it recently died i.e. no activity when plugged into the mains. I since became aware that under uk law, the Sales and Supply of Goods Act 1994 stipulates that the supplier (not manufacturer) is liable to either refund, repair or replace the product for anything up to 6 years from purchase if the product fails within a reasonable period. DABS responded today stating that it was not reasonable to expect an SB3 to be without fault after 36 months. The problem is that the law is phrased in very vague terms, using next-to-meaningless terms such as reasonable period. Who gets to decide what that is? The way I read it, if something goes wrong after 3 years, it's up to the buyer to prove that it hasn't lasted for a reasonable period. If the seller refuses to agree with you, you'll have to take them to court. And then the only people who will win are the lawyers. FWIW, I think a solid state device like a Squeezebox can reasonably be expected to last almost indefinitely once it gets beyond the infant mortality period. But of course a court of law might not agree. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Goodsounds;429322 Wrote: Out of curiosity I scanned the linked material - Very interesting. I'm not a retailer, but I don't think a rule like that would work very well in the US. I'd be interested to know more about how it works in the UK. This would seem to really put sellers in a precarious position. Maybe that's why things always seem so expensive in the UK (and not just because of exchange rates and/or VAT). They would need to pay for such a long term guarantee some how, and maybe the high prices are the result. I don't think many people were aware of the law so they never pursued their rights. It was on the BBC1 news segement last week which brought it to my attention. This is big stuff. It completely undermines the whole extended warranty business!! Like some people have reclaimed unlawful bank charges, it is feasible that you could reclaim extended warranty costs if you could prove it was missold. I suspect a test case is just around the corner!! -- Gooner Gooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
cliveb;429331 Wrote: The problem is that the law is phrased in very vague terms, using next-to-meaningless terms such as reasonable period. Who gets to decide what that is? The way I read it, if something goes wrong after 3 years, it's up to the buyer to prove that it hasn't lasted for a reasonable period. If the seller refuses to agree with you, you'll have to take them to court. And then the only people who will win are the lawyers. FWIW, I think a solid state device like a Squeezebox can reasonably be expected to last almost indefinitely once it gets beyond the infant mortality period. But of course a court of law might not agree. Totally agree with you except I'd hope it would be reasonably cheap to go to the small claims court without a lawyer... I'll have to look into that. Given that pretty much everyone here, who owns the product, agrees that the unit should last more than 3 years, I have opinion on my side. Who decides what a reasonable amount of time is? Majority rule? -- Gooner Gooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who's going to fill Sean's shoes - technically?
MrSinatra;429318 Wrote: i didn't think you were implying sean/dean were rapaciously greedy, i was just talking in general. however, try an experiment... lend a SB to someone who isn't into computers, but uses them for email and www. don't help them at all, and see how far they get, how long it takes, and/or gauge their reactions. here's a perfect example... my dad, who is fairly old but loves computers and music on them and the stereo, does not understand things like closing the web browser does NOT turn off SC. therefore, the playlist could just keep going, computer would never sleep, and he'd never know or figure it out, and thats just ONE aspect. now, clearly, he should learn, and aiming this at old people isn't the wave of the future, BUT there are lots of people my age (mid 30s) who simply would not grasp many concepts of SC or enjoy the exp of the webui. in a recent thread elsewhere, jjzolx summed it up perfectly, that the webui simply doesn't cut it, and i couldn't agree more. winamp however, is something he does understand, and if a plugin could power the SBR, he'd be much happier, and i think find it all more appealing. true, winamp+plugin wouldn't do everything SC does, but he would never use most of that stuff anyway. I'm going to offer a different view. My perspective - I am older than you, and likely younger than your father. I consider myself to be capable as a PC user. I do not have a technical orientation or interest. I always use the web UI, and almost never the remotes (other than for on/off). I find the current UI perfectly satisfactory. Using the SB3 display is like looking at a panoramic view through binoculars, where you can only see a small part at any one time. I find doing even simple tasks with the remove and the SB3 screen to be unnecessarily awkward. Sometimes impossible. Winamp - I can use it to play tracks or albums while at a PC, but I don't like it. Too hard, too many hidden/poorly explained things. It's probably like my use (and everyone else's) of apps like MS Word or Excel. I can use 3% of it comfortably, and the other 97 % is for others to worry about. I have no knowledge or interest in it. Doing the work to permit winamp to drive SB devices would be a waste of time, in my view. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Shortcut to syncronize
Hi guys. Is there a way to access the syncing menu on the sb3/boom a little quicker, like in the first menu, or via a short cut like a button on the remote. Id'e like to make it easier to access. regards Lasse -- lazpete lazpete's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4841 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Is it just me or does it seem unreasonable for a government to force a retailer to guarantee a product for longer than the manufacturer guarantees it? -- nolesrule nolesrule's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9429 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
nolesrule;429347 Wrote: Is it just me or does it seem unreasonable for a government to force a retailer to guarantee a product for longer than the manufacturer guarantees it? For this purpose, no of course I don't!! :) -- Gooner Gooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who's going to fill Sean's shoes - technically?
seems like a big turnaround from this post... Goodsounds;428503 Wrote: Interesting thoughts, Mr Sinatra. In thinking about it, perhaps the SB family is not a mass market thing. Look at how many people are happy with ipod docking stations with amps and speakers, whatever those are called. THAT'S a mass market type of product. The audiophiles I know (who have spent big bucks on equipment) would have nothing to do with digital files coming from a PC. Maybe that's a function of the ones I know. What's left - geeks looking for a toy, and music enthusiasts looking for convenience and yes, perhaps a toy, but in a different way than the geeks. The geeks, who are WAY overrepresented in these forums, are not numerous enough to support a product line. What's left for outreach is non-technical music fans. For them, the products need to be easier to use, better explained, less troublesome, and less geeky (it's a turnoff). Simple task ahead for the marketing people to figure out how to do that. As for filling the departed shoes, I'm sure the company has plenty of talent left to handle things. If not, bigger problems are ahead. ...but thats fine. imo, the webui sucks. its slow, it isn't intuitive, and it isn't flexible. but developing a plugin for winamp a waste of time? i hardly think so. same for itunes or other apps... why? b/c there are millions of those users out there already, and they know how to use those apps, and they act the way they expect them to. remember, if such a path existed, someone wouldn't need to figure out how to make the SC scanner work the way they want, they'd already have an app working to their liking. (and they are FAR faster to boot, scanningwise and responsively, and in some cases, some better/other features) -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 sbc (my home) / sbr (parent's home) - w/sc 7.3.3b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who's going to fill Sean's shoes - technically?
MrSinatra;429318 Wrote: winamp however, is something he does understand, and if a plugin could power the SBR, he'd be much happier, and i think find it all more appealing. true, winamp+plugin wouldn't do everything SC does, but he would never use most of that stuff anyway. Although i do agree with your general sentiment, i'm not sure i get you on this. I can't see how using a third parties software, with a plugin, would make life easier than just having the Squeezebox software on your PC. You would need to open and run WinAMP all the time to use the SB. But then people with macs, linux and NAS's would also need something too. You could end up with a whole array of different solutions, and that would get pretty confusing too. I dont thin that logitech want to rely on other firm software either. I dont think SC is the problem per-say. My [not very technical] 60+ year old mother got to grips with the fact she would need iTunes on her PC to use her iPod, but she learnt. She had to learn how to use a mobile and VCR once too. All the best things needs some learning, we are not talking about toasters here. The concept for Sb users should not be that different, it's just that SC baffles many people (including me sometimes). Settings should be presented in a way that does not confuse people. And at the end of the day, even if they designed Sc to be so easy a kitten could use it, people will still get baffled and frustated with ripping CD's (what software, bitrate, format etc) and networking. -- autopilot Cheers, auto. -don't call me Shirley.- autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
nolesrule;429347 Wrote: Is it just me or does it seem unreasonable for a government to force a retailer to guarantee a product for longer than the manufacturer guarantees it? The law is whatever is enacted. We have a lot of laws that are puzzling to some people too. How about the remnants of prohibition and the blue laws that still exist in the US? Complete nonsense. American law tends to be a bit more hands-off and what may be described as perhaps less paternal than what is found in Europe. There's a lot of national legislation that is mandated by the EU (I don't know whether the case for this or not, but no matter). We look that way and scratch our heads over what they do and they look back at us and do the same thing. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shortcut to syncronize
In the SC Settings you can customize what appears (and what doesn't appear) on the top level menu. I don't have SC in front of me to confirm, but I'm pretty sure you can move Synchronize up to the top-level menu. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner wrote: Hello everyone. I'm interested in views as to how many years I could expect a Squeezebox to function fault free. If you own one of these, could you let me know how long you've had it and whether it continues to work :) This is in relation to a dispute I'm having with DABS.COM All input greatly received. Well, there's the bathtub curve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve I have a SliMP3, an SB1, 4 SB3's and a Duet. One of the 4 SB3's failed after six months, everything else is still humming nicely. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Goodsounds;429351 Wrote: The law is whatever is enacted. We have a lot of laws that are puzzling to some people too. How about the remnants of prohibition and the blue laws that still exist in the US? Complete nonsense. American civil law tends to be a bit more hands-off and what may be described as perhaps less paternal than what is found in Europe. There's a lot of national legislation that is mandated by the EU (I don't know whether the case for this or not, but no matter). We look that way and scratch our heads over what they do and they look back at us and do the same thing. The current version of the Sale of Goods Act was amended by the Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002, which implements an EU Directive. It may seem a bit odd, except of course that the free movement of goods within the EU is a fundamental premise. It makes sense (at least to me) that if goods have to move freely for the benefit of consumers then those consumers should be granted the same standard of protection across those member states. And the prior standard varied greatly across member countries (from min of 1 year in the UK up to 10 years for certain types of goods in France and Germany, I believe). -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Oh yeah, I'm giving 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/Siduhe) a try - and surprising myself how many interesting people are out there... Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who's going to fill Sean's shoes - technically?
MrSinatra;429349 Wrote: ...but thats fine. imo, the webui sucks. its slow, it isn't intuitive, and it isn't flexible. Slow - give you that, it can be. but then i rarely use it to browse music. Worse on a poor/cheap NAS. Isn't intuitive - I agree it not for many it's not, trying to explain to a friend what the different compliation related settings mean and what setting he need to worry about, and what he should ignore, almost resulted in a trip to the local psychiatric ward. That can be improved - vote for this - http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9702. But at the end of the day - he actually got it working and playing music fine without my help, it was when he started fishing around SC settings he called me. Isn't flexible - We must have a very differnet idea of what flexible means here. We can access it from any web enabled device and it can be skinned for such devices, i always thought it was pretty flexible personally! Way for flexible that a WinAMP plugin could ever be. -- autopilot Cheers, auto. -don't call me Shirley.- autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who's going to fill Sean's shoes - technically?
the proposed plugin to winamp would be transparent to the user, just to power the hardware, at least at first. as to voting for that bug, i am the ONLY person to have voted for it, which i did some time ago. :) as to flexible, i mean in how it presents information to you. consider that it only uses ONE master list at any one time, and has differing ways to navigate which make no sense to me. i don't want only one master list at a time and in addition it isn't clear what your master list will look like until AFTER you clear and rescan experimenting with many settings. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 sbc (my home) / sbr (parent's home) - w/sc 7.3.3b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
cliveb;429331 Wrote: The problem is that the law is phrased in very vague terms, using next-to-meaningless terms such as reasonable period. Who gets to decide what that is? The way I read it, if something goes wrong after 3 years, it's up to the buyer to prove that it hasn't lasted for a reasonable period. If the seller refuses to agree with you, you'll have to take them to court. And then the only people who will win are the lawyers. FWIW, I think a solid state device like a Squeezebox can reasonably be expected to last almost indefinitely once it gets beyond the infant mortality period. But of course a court of law might not agree. Yeah, I'd guess the vagueness is the gotcha. If this is the way they do it in GB/EU, why not just state the period the seller will honor this consumer right of reasonable time. i.e. DABS will fix or replace this unit for up to 4 years after the date of the sale (see details below, BTW we sell magnifying glasses on page 117). :) 30 days seems a drop in the bucket compared to this GB/EU law, but then it's rather plain and indisputable at 30 days. For me I get automatic warranty extensions on such purchases via my credit card so my 2 year SB3 warranty is really 3 years. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] KCRW Streams
Scott;429301 Wrote: Thanks... these are mostly podcast. I'm looking to stream a flash-only based radio show from anne litt... and can't easily find the url to copy and paste. scott Oh, sorry, I didn't check their format so I don't know if they are pods or streams. Not one of them is a stream? You can always email the station and ask for a direct URL. But they may well want you to use their embedded player. :( -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64092 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PDA controller solution
amey01;429227 Wrote: While using SlimControl tonight, I thought of another enhancement/suggestion. It'd be great if it had the ability to Play next and move up and down in a playlist - just like SlimRemote (if you've seen that). Maybe by the same method - press and hold on a song [for instance] presents a menu to either add to playlist (obviously),or play next, etc. I just keep a smile now. I can say only WOW for the future. -- arztde arztde's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62486 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shortcut to syncronize
Unfortunately Synchronize doesn't appear among the choices of what you can put in the top menu. Something to add I guess. -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shortcut to syncronize
What about if you install a sync plugin like the Synchroniser? You may be able to add that to your home menu and it will let you pre-define sync sets. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Oh yeah, I'm giving 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/Siduhe) a try - and surprising myself how many interesting people are out there... Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Goodsounds;429322 Wrote: Out of curiosity I scanned the linked material - Very interesting. I'm not a retailer, but I don't think a rule like that would work very well in the US. I'd be interested to know more about how it works in the UK. This would seem to really put sellers in a precarious position. Maybe that's why things always seem so expensive in the UK (and not just because of exchange rates and/or VAT). They would need to pay for such a long term guarantee some how, and maybe the high prices are the result. Exactly what I was thinking. Really puts retailers in a difficult position as they may have to cover many things that a manufacturer would normally doe. Manufacturers plan for warranty costs, retailers really don't. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who's going to fill Sean's shoes - technically?
Goodsounds;429010 Wrote: Roger that, Shirley. I think of it broadly rather than narrowly. There are also waay too many of the type who want to tell you how they spent the prior weekend setting up a sensor in the bedroom to turn on the coffee maker in the kitchen. Boring is boring. And your point? : ) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
i think i got my SB2 in oct 05. so far still works. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 sbc (my home) / sbr (parent's home) - w/sc 7.3.3b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner;429335 Wrote: Totally agree with you except I'd hope it would be reasonably cheap to go to the small claims court without a lawyer... I'll have to look into that. Given that pretty much everyone here, who owns the product, agrees that the unit should last more than 3 years, I have opinion on my side. Who decides what a reasonable amount of time is? Majority rule? This is nuts. It's an electronic device. It lasted longer then the warranty. Suck it up, help out the world economy and buy a new SB3. Your probably going to lose in court. The SB3 has not been around long enough to create fair established expectancy. It lasted over twice as long as they have been out. Europe wants it all. The lowest price and if it fails after the warranty but before I think it should I want a free one. At the most if the law even made a little sense you should only receive fair market value for a 3 year old used SB3. Did I mention it's electronics. A cap or regulator could have failed and that's why it's called Consumer Electronics. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox on twitter
I just found Squeezebox on twitter but it appears the account has been abandoned after about a week of posts in late April. Too bad. Could be a good outlet for tips and such. Maybe if they got some more followers they'd get back to posting some updates. http://twitter.com/squeezeboxtips Doing a live twitter search on squeezebox is kind of fun for a while too. The Boom gets a lot of love. http://search.twitter.com/search?q=squeezebox Yes. I'm bored tonight. -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64131 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
This whole thing makes no sense to me. A sane law might say that the dealer should expected to cover the product during the period where it is likely to fail. But what we're all telling you is that after a year or so it is very UNlikely to fail. So I hardly see how it's fair that a retailer, who if they're doing well has collected perhaps 20-30% on the whole deal, should be liable for the full value of the product ages after they've sold it. In other words, this is an unreasonable law if it's really as you're interpreting it. And I have no skin in the game here, just saying. If the UK really wants this kind of coverage built in to every product that is sold there, then people are effectively saying they want to be forcibly charged for an extended warranty with every purchase - because that's the only way that this policy could be sustained. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64114 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox on twitter
This is mostly my fault. Please let us know what kind of content would be desired on twitter. I plan to restart this effort. -- Mark Miksis Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64131 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
