Re: [slim] Speaker for bathroom
Unless you're planning on immersing the speaker, or subjecting it directly to water spray, the exposed jack with plug inserted shouldn't present a issue for water entry into the device. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Speaker for bathroom
I think I'd be looking for a set of small powered/active speaker (that is, speakers with a built-in amplifier). Depending on the dampness levels and ventilation in the room, it might make sense to look for speakers are either waterproof or at least built for damp environments. There is a product category generally called "outdoor speakers" that are designed to be installed on decks, patios and gardens. The catch here is that these are mostly unpowered designs. If you don't find an active outdoor speaker to your liking, also consider using a portable or home "Bluetooth" speaker. Although products in this category usually carry the "Bluetooth" moniker, most all of them have a standard 3.5mm stereo aux input. There are an enormous variety of models available, and many of them are designed to be waterproof. As a bonus, they usually have rechargeable on-board batteries, giving you a dual-use option. As far as specific models: I have an (older model) TDK A33 that works great. Good reviews for all of these (and many, many others...): JBL Flip 4 Logitech UE ROLL 2 VAVA Voom 21 Sony XRSXB3 Good luck. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Music Backup in the Cloud
You might want to take a look at the various online backup service providers out there: Crashplan, Backblaze, etc. They offer good services at reasonable prices ($50-60/year). If you're keeping local and remote backups of multiple TBs of data, these prices are are competitive with the costs of buying and replacing your own backup drives. Most of them do offer seamless encryption - their software and servers take care of this without user intervention. Many offer to use keys that only you hold, meaning the service can't decrypt anything without you. There is the issue of that first big upload sync job. This does rely on good upload speeds, or the use of "seeding" service in which you mail in a physical drive that they'll load as the first backup set. I've always been a roll-my-own guy, using my own drives, scripting and scheduling native sync utilities (hooray for rsync!) and so on. But, it's really gotten to the point where this isn't advantageous. The paid backup providers offer great service, reasonable rates, and much more durable protection that I can provide myself. Take a look. Here's a good comparative review: http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-online-backup-service/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
As noted, that URL is broken. Here's the AES citation page: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=17501 The PDF is free to download from there. Direct linking to the document URL is unlikely to work, as it looks like they are using a temp URL scheme that changes daily. --rt On 1/5/16 7:05 PM, R1200CL wrote: If someone like to read more real facts about MQA. http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/20160105/17501.pdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Windows 10
With the pending, free release of Windows 10 it has me wondering whether LMS is expected to work under Win10. I'd like to upgrade my Win7 box that runs LMS, but don't want to break my music server. In any case, I might wait until Win10 has been in the wild for a few weeks or months but thought I'd go ahead and start the conversation. Is Logitech testing LMS under Win10? Has anyone in the community tried running it under any of the betas? Thanks. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Windows 10
On 6/1/15 11:55 AM, SlimChances wrote: I think the release is July 29 That's the release date I've seen, but they're just just starting to release preliminary information. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
On 1/29/15 2:05 AM, JohnSwenson wrote: I'm hear to announce that this project is not dead! Fantastic news! I was just yesterday lamenting the fact that this project appeared lost. Can't wait to see and hear the results. (If there's any penciling going on yet) Pencil me in for two units. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] AirPlay Hack (for Sonos, but adaptable to SB)
Interesting piece on an recently published hack to enable AirPlay on Sonos: https://medium.com/@stephencwan/hacking-airplay-into-sonos-93a41a1fcfbb The hack covers both the AirPlay software server, and a connector that enables hand-off of the bitstream to Sonos. It would appear that this would be adaptable to the SB server. Perhaps all that's needed is for the stream to be encoded, be available at a local stream URL, and optionally hit the SB server API to initiate playback. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Fire TV
This raises a very good general question of implementing SB players for the major set-top boxes: Fire, Roku, AppleTV, etc. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Fire TV
Apple TV has no user add channels / apps unless jailbroken but is an excellent player when combined with iPeng Do you mean iPeng, using it's on-device player, then streamed out to AppleTV over AirPlay? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Fire TV
That does work, although it's a bit convoluted and requires double streaming over wireless. I look forward to the opening of an AppStore for AppleTV, and a native iPeng player for that device. Keep hope alive. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Science Fiction
SomaFM has a unique online station that overlays ambient electronic music with historic NASA astronaut communication recordings. Sounds odd, but it really works. http://somafm.com/missioncontrol.pls On 6/22/14, 3:18 PM, DrGaryG wrote: I need recommendations for Science and Science Fiction radio stations. Thanks Gary ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Prime Music!
My experience with the video service has been OK. We don't use it much, but the streams have been reliable and of good quality. We use their PS3 app for viewing. We've watched mostly TV shows: Alpha House and Orphan Black. At first glance the music service is a little underwhelming. The seem to be focused on big name artists, and selected tracks. Not my area of interest. Maybe it will improve. One nice thing they did was to preload a Library page in the mobile app with music I'd purchased on physical formats over the last few years. That's actually pretty handy. It's always nice to have options, but given where they are and the fact that I'm enjoying my Beats subscription, I don't see myself using Amazon Music all that much. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is there a simple applet I can install to play m3u8 streams on SBT?
Many content providers using Flash-based players will go to great lengths to hide the actual stream URLs (using a Flash-based player being the first length). While it can be difficult-to-impossible to extract the stream from player markup and scripts, it's generally possible to figure it out using a network sniffer. You can use general purpose tools for this, or something more specialized such as URL Snooper. If the provider is using an odd protocol or codec, the stream may not ultimately be usable, but at least you'll know whether or not that's the case. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Prime Music!
The most obvious immediate benefit is that persons already subscribing to Amazon Prime get it for no additional cost. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Fantastic news. So good to hear this. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beats Music Support Maybe Possible.... VOTE!
Well, we're currently at 20 Votes and tied for ninth place on the Enhancement Request list with BMW Integration and Chromecast/Roku Integration. Not too shabby, but just a few more votes we could really jump up in the queue. Please vote! ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beats Music Support Maybe Possible.... VOTE!
Thanks for the link. I just voted. Just one or two more votes would push this into the top ten for their enhancement requests. In order to cast a vote, you do have to register with the Help site (distinct from your Beats Music registration). Please consider taking the time to do this, as registered votes seem to be the working metric that gets attention for these requests. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beats Music to replace MOG..Where does that leave Squeezebox?
From MOG's Twitter account: MOG will not be shut down on Jan. 21st. More news to follow. https://twitter.com/mogdotcom ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beats Music to replace MOG..Where does that leave Squeezebox?
Yeah, hard to say what's going on. Guessing they've been too slammed putting together the new service to give much thought to the old MOG. I hadn't seen any communication about what they were planing, and if they shutting down MOG, how they were planning to transition those customers. It seems good that they're giving it a bit more time. That sure beats (Beats!) just doing a reflexive, thoughtless shut down. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beats Music to replace MOG..Where does that leave Squeezebox?
Beats Music has now officially released their launch date: January 21, 2014. I'm a MOG premium subscriber, but have seen no official information about a shutdown. Does this mean that both services will run side-by-side for a time? Or is Beats just protecting the last few days of that MOG revenue stream? How will they attempt to convert MOG customers to Beats Music customers? It all remains to be seen, but we should know more within the week. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beats Music to replace MOG..Where does that leave Squeezebox?
I have the same questions. They're not releasing any info at all. Maybe they'll run them together for a while, but I have to believe MOG's days are ultimately numbered. I agree. Which leads to the real nut of the question: How well will the Beats Music applications support the way I like to use the service? My most prominent modes of usage are: 1) Ad-hoc listening to tracks that I'm reading about. I mostly use the mobile apps for this. 2) Also on mobile: Pre-downloading full albums, as a buffer - but also as a reminder/favorites list. Listening from this list later on as I'm wanting to choose from records I've already selected, rather than the complete universe of offerings. Sort of a time-shifted self-curation. 3) On Squeezebox: searching for an album and playing sync'd throughout the house. I'm hopeful that the BM app (terrible initials!) will have some features that will support 1) and 2). I suspect that 3) may be a goner, unless there are APIs that a helpful community developer could leverage to bring BM into the SB ecosystem. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What happened to the wiki link?
Damn. It's a really simple, one-click business to export the contents of a wiki. And it should be easy to find alternate hosting for it. Any chance that the contents were preserved? --rt On 11/26/13, 12:32 PM, aubuti wrote: The wiki (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/) seems to have been down for at least a week or so. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
On 4/7/13 5:52 PM, pippin wrote: But I also don't believe that the model of copying your music onto your iPod and carrying it around all the time will persist [...] I believe that the local copy on portable devices will still exist, to an extent. Not entire libraries but a subset that serves as a cache. Mostly this is useful for times when network connectivity is not guaranteed and on-device storage is rather cheap. One of my favorite features of the MOG app for iPhone is the ability to download local copies of albums. I use this feature to ensure smooth playback on the road, and so that my personal listening doesn't impact the wireless network at the office or cause excessive usage on my mobile data plan. Supporting on-device caching of content in the Ick APIs might end up as a key differentiating feature. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
I'll take two SWAMP 1.0.2 devices with ick Client preloaded, plz. Shipping in the autumn is fine. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeeze Logo
I was reminded of a lady's front side (think Hooter's) logo when I saw the two orange hearts. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Won't the boot up BEEP let us know that the power in on? ;) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?
aubuti wrote: That's cool if it will work in my car. Thanks. Yes, yes it will. And is. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Better Logitech products than the Squeezeboxes
On 8/6/12 7:36 PM, pippin wrote: Bluetooth Audio uses it's own codecs to encode and decode the audio before and after the transmission and these can be VERY lossy. From what I understand, there are also issues with digital fidelity when using AirPlay. Audio-only AirPlay streams are encoded using Apple Lossless for transmission, regardless of the original source format. So, the AirPlay receiver should get the same bitstream that the sender's DAC would see. But, at least in the case of the AppleTV device, there are only digital audio outputs (optical) and that output only supports 48kHz. So, all 44.1kHz audio is resampled to 48kHz before output. And, you need an outboard DAC or you will be relying on the DAC in your receiver/amp. I don't know what the other AirPlay receivers are doing as far as transmission encoding, internal decoding, resampling and D/A conversion, but I'd want to see these details before committing to a solution like this for my main system. I do own an AppleTV, and occasionally stream audio and video from an iPhone or iPad for playback, but this is mainly just for convenience in playing back something I've found on the web. Most of these sources are *far* from pristine. They do sound better through the big system than they do on the device outputs (excepting headphones), but I wouldn't consider this as a solution for regular audio playback. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MOG or Spotify: Is one better than the other for Squeezebox?
I don't have experience with trying to use Spotify on SB, but I do love having a MOG subscription. Sound quality is great and it works well with my SBs. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Seeking High Bitrate Music Streaming Service
Agreed. MOG is great. Love it on the computer, love it on my iPhone, love it on Squeezeboxes. On 2/16/12 1:49 PM, mike10100 wrote: I heart MOG and squeezebox! ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] MOG for Squeezebox Announced
Still gathering details. Blog post here: http://blog.logitech.com/2011/11/08/new-music-service-sets-squeezebox-to-match-your-moods Blog down at the moment... ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MOG for Squeezebox Announced
It's in the App Gallery: http://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery On 11/8/11 10:09 AM, Ron Thigpen wrote: Still gathering details. Blog post here: http://blog.logitech.com/2011/11/08/new-music-service-sets-squeezebox-to-match-your-moods Blog down at the moment... ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My story of picking betamax...
I've had a lot more success than Cipro with my SB's. I have 2 SB2s, a Boom and a Radio. I keep them sync'd up most of the time, with the Boom and Radio playing together most of the day every day. I listen to a mix of my own library (~100k tracks mixed MP3 and FLAC files) and internet radio streams. I run my own SS. I have a pretty fast and reliable internet connection, and use a combination of wired, wi-fi and powerline connections to the various SB's. I use iPend on my iPhone and iPad. I don't try to use my Radio as an alarm clock. And everything is pretty darn reliable. There have been various sync issues over the years, and the server has gone through some up and down stages of quality, but in general we use our SBs an awful lot and they generally just work. We love our SB system. I would like to see some updated players (modernized Boom, faster hardware for Touch and a new SB4) as well as some new features (MOG!!), and I think I might over the next year. But even if Logitech disappeared tomorrow, I think I'd get at least a few more years of happy usage out of my system. Something better will come along someday, but for now the SBs are still a very good solution for me. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Thinking about switching to Sonos (for a Restaurant)
Sike, have you thought about having just a single SB player device and distributing either the line or speaker level audio signal? You could still have control of the player, and nice UI, using iOS devices. And it would have the major advantage of zero sync issues. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why no new apps coming out?
All of the new releases that I've been interested in have arrived in MOG on their standard Tuesday U.S. release dates. YMMV. And, yes, I have broken out the line-in cable of my SB a few times to listen to things on MOG that I didn't have in my home library. No multi-player action or sync, of course. The big thing about these services is the immediate gratification factor. No need to go through the purchasing or ripping process, no tagging, no backups, no hassle. Just find what you want then hit Play and go. It's really nice. It'll never be a replacement for a well curated personal library, but it does have it's place. MOG does have a free trial period. Give it a spin if you're game. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why no new apps coming out?
I'd *really* like to see a MOG app. I like the MOG service better than Spotify and would love to have it on my Squeezeboxes. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why no new apps coming out?
Voted on it?? I wrote it!! ...other voters welcome. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
On 6/21/11 1:55 PM, erland wrote: Just get a Logitech Harmony remote and get a Play Music button that does everything of the above with a single click. I haven't tried it myself but it should work as long as all devices are controlled with a IR remote. I have a Harmony. It is set up for all of my devices, and I really tried to like it, but the Harmony is consistently less usable for each device than the respective native remote. And there are functions that it will not access on some of my gear. Therefore I don't really use it. After all, what's the point if you still have to (or even want to) keep all the native remotes handy? Depends who you are talking about, it's important to remember that most users doesn't care about lossless quality, they are quite happy with just using MP3. I wasn't speaking to the wants/needs/experience of 'most users', only my own experience, in my home, with my system. If you care about audio quality, there are better products than those produced by Apple. I'm not saying Apple is bad, I'm just saying that they will select a compromise which is good enough for most people and this doesn't include audiophiles. And it doesn't currently include me. The right piece of gear from Apple (AirPlay endpoint with a great DAC) and I might even transcode all of those FLACs, but not today. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NEW SB hardware?
I have an AppleTV v2. It does indeed require an outboard DAC before it can render analog audio. An outboard DAC with an optical input no less. If I wanted to use the AppleTV as an audio output device, I would need to either: Using TV interface - Turn on Stereo Turn on DAC Select AppleTV input on DAC Turn on TV Select AppleTV input Wake up AppleTV Navigate to Music options Choose and Play Using AirPlay - Turn on Stereo Turn on DAC Select AppleTV input on DAC Wake up the AppleTV (it sleeps) Grab a laptop or iPhone and fire up a music player Navigate to music, choose and play Select AppleTV AirPlay output Granted some of these steps may be avoidable (stereo already on or auto-sensing, DAC has only one input, etc.), but this is still a lot of switching and selecting just to play a few tracks. I'm not at all excited about the option of using a 50 plasma TV for an audio controller UI. Seems ridiculous. And you still don't get sync. And I don't know about the audio quality implications of AirPlay - does it do lossless? (certainly not FLAC), is there compression in the transmission?, etc. I don't really see this as a big use case for the AppleTV until Apple adds analog outs and gets serious about simplifying usage. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MOG Coming for Sonos
Loving MOG on my iPhone. Please bring it to the Squeezebox!! --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng roadmap poll
I don't think I'm interested in any of the first four changes. They all seem like compromises to make things simpler for a novice user. I'm not a novice user, and I don't want to lose functionality. I do use both the iPhone and iPad iPeng versions. The New Main Screen for iPad is intruiging, but not knowing specifics, it's hard to root for it being first in line. I run a multi-room system with various sync'ing scenarios, so I'd have to think that the sync scene feature would be the most useful for me. Thanks! ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any prospect of an MLB app?
On 10/22/10 3:03 PM, johnny baby wrote: Does anybody know the story on this, or care to speculate? Any MLB player for SB would require a subscription to the MLB Audio service. Because of this, I don't really think it competes with SiriusXM in the way you imagine. There are already loads of player out there, most commonly as apps for mobile handsets. In fact, when I wanted to listen on my home stereo this season I would stream to my mobile and use the Aux input on my amp. Though it would be much better if MLB could be streamed thru by SBs. I think there are two items required to get this working: 1) an agreement between Logitech/SB and the MLB, and 2) an SB app that would log into the service, provide stream browsing and play the audio. I'm not sure anyone at Logitech has approached the folks at MLB Advanced Media recently to talk over this prospect. I would love to see this service arrive on our SBs. And MOG. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] MOG Support
I'm a happy user of the MOG streaming service at mog.com. I'd love to see a Squeezebox app supporting MOG playback on our devices. So I filed an enhancement request: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16626 If you'd like to see this too, please vote for this bug. If you're interested in such things but not yet familiar with MOG, you might want to give the service a trial. (No, I'm not affiliated with them in any way.) Thanks, --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any prospect of an MLB app?
There is an existing enhancement request here: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 Log in and vote your preference. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any prospect of an MLB app?
Nah, this is different. Sirius/XM is paying for the right to deliver the content to their subscribers, and charge their subscribers for that content. MLB only gets paid by Sirius/XM, not the subscribers. That's why the big money is required. Logitech wouldn't be buying the content and reselling to customers. It would just be offering one more technology channel by which customers could purchase content directly from MLB. Squeezebox owners would pay MLB directly for their subscriptions. Logitech would just provide a player that would work on the SB platform. A good analogy would be Apple. Apple sells iPhones. Customers buy the iPhone MLB app (with bundled audio subscription). MLB gets their cut of the App Store sale and that's all. In our case, Logitech just gets the profit from the sale of additional SBs to baseball fans. MLB just gets the audio subscription revenue. This is exactly how it works for the Pandora, Napster and Rhapsody apps. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Internet Radio Streams Killed by Block Incoming Connections?
I think the Block Incoming Connections security feature may be interfering with Internet radio streams. This morning, I rebooted my SBS computer and took a look at my SBS v7.5.1 security settings (SBS web interface - Settings - Advanced - Security). Block Incoming Connections had been set to Do not block. I changed this to Block and added these Allowed IP Addresses for my local network IP range and localhost: 192.168.*,127.0.0.1. I then switched to the main (non-settings) web UI, chose one of my SB players (a Boom, sync'd with a Radio), chose Favorites (where I have my Internet radio stations saved) and tried to play a stream, which failed to play. I then changed the Block Incoming Connections settings back to Do not block and tried again. The stream played. I toggled the block setting a few more times trying different streams. The results were consistent: when SBS was set to Block streams would not play. Has anybody else seen this behavior? Given how the Block feature is implemented, does it make sense that this would be happening? I'll try some more tests tonight (unsync'd players, etc.) but wanted to see anyone else could confirm this. SBS 7.5.1 Windows XPsp3 SB Boom and Radio (both on wireless connections) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] system audio output via osx?
docs are a bit dense, but everything you need is in there. http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/index.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] sb3+ipod touch+ipeng= duet?
pippin wrote: ...between the 28th and the 6th of October depending on how well it goes through. Sweet! ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] streaming Myspace Music?
I wouldn't assume that MySpace is all kids anymore. My personal experience is that anyone in a band or running a club is on there and using the site to host/promote music and their shows. And that age is all over the charts. A quick Google yields this: http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=1019 It's a bit out of date, and probably relies on self-reported ages in MySpace profiles, so it may not be reliable. But the point is, don't assume that you know the demograhpics. Maybe you have some real marketing data, or could get something that MySpace might share with a potential partner or advertiser. The real question for me is: how are users going to go about finding, picking, building playlists and/or streams of music from this service? Does this discover/choose/play interaction work without the MySpace web UI? How are these use cases exposed into the SC menus? Is there an exposed API that supports this? One short question that might flush out a useful reply: Is anyone here using MySpace other than to just play the songs on band pages? --rt bizdevguy wrote: We think about new music services all the time and myspace is certainly on the list. For us it's all about working on what matters most to our customers. One of the questions we've had relates to the overlap of users of myspace and users of Squeezebox. At first blush, you might think that the myspace crowd is too young to be a SB user. However, lots of SB users have kids who are part of the myspace crowd. So, just how many of you out there would place myspace high on your listening list? thx. Matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Boom?
That struck me as well. This is more of a Table Radio type of product. Squid wrote: BTW, am I the only one who thinks the name 'Boom' is a bit ridiculous ? I'd never call it like that, even not if it were a boombox kind of thing (which it clearly is not). I sure hope they come up with a different/decent name upon release. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Ripserver
Hadn't seen it posted, so here goes: http://www.ripfactory.com/ripserver.html Nice form factor, good combination of functions, costs too much, says it runs 'Slim', but how does it perform? Anyway, interesting featureset that some have been suggesting. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is it posible to use RoboCopy to mirror a whole hard drive ?
fred7 wrote: Just a helpful reminder to be very careful using the /mir option because it will delete files not in the source. Doing this backwards can have devastating results. I'll reiterate this warning and make a suggestion. My approach to mirroring music directories uses a batch file containing robocopy commands. I schedule this to run nightly. I _do not_ use the /mir switch for these automated runs. Rather, these commands use switches that enable straight one way copies. Nothing is lost, but some cruft will build up on the destination disk. When I want to clean up the cruft or need space on the destination disk I first inspect the source contents to ensure that everything looks OK then kick off a copy of the same batch file edited to use the /mir option. HTH, --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New iPod Touch possible candidate for SS controller?
Grahame wrote: Nor forgetting that the 770/800's have a 4.1 800x480 225ppi screen Also not to forget that the Nokias are _*OPEN DEVICES*_. The maker fully expects and supports users developing and deploying custom, native software on their devices. The iPod Touch doesn't have an email client, and IM client, a VOIP client, a microphone, or a Bluetooth stack that will let you use an external mic, keyboard or GPS receiver. The Nokias have a microphone, video camera, Bluetooth connectivity and choices among several native s/w clients for email, VOIP and IM. As well as some fine media player software. I'm happy to see these nice Apple products on the market, and I'm glad everyone is so excited about them, but it's not like they're the first to the party, or even have a clearly superior offering. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Scanner Trouble - Zero Artists
My scanner process seems to be dying before it can update the artist info in the slimserver database. The result is that I end up with Library Stats that read: 4642 albums with 67754 songs by 0 artists, and no listing under the Artist browse interfaces. This started maybe a month ago. Everything is fine otherwise. AFAICT this only occurs under rescans. Full wipe+scan requests have finished normally so far. The server is a Core2Duo 2.2GHz box with 2GB of RAM. No big software, load or config changes recently. Was running SS 6.5.3, upgraded to a more recent version to see if issue would resolve, but it didn't. SlimServer Version: 6.5.4 - 12553 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252 Server IP address: 192.168.0.100 Perl Version: 5.8.8 MSWin32-x86-multi-thread MySQL Version: 5.0.22-community-nt Some scanner logs are copied below, but I think the salient entry is: Can't create/write to file 'C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\#sql_99c_0.MYI' SlimServer is configured to run under the local SYSTEM account, which has read/write/delete permissions to that directory. Plenty of room on the disk. Any ideas? Thanks, --rt 2007-08-14 20:32:08.3399 For files with extensions in: [(?i-xsm:\.(?:ape|wma|shn|wav|wave|mp3|mp2|flc|flac|fla|m4a|mov|m4b|mp4|mp+|mpc|ogg|aif|aiff|lnk|cue)$)] 2007-08-14 20:34:23.2031 Import: Completed Slim::Music::MusicFolderScan Scan in 134 seconds. 2007-08-14 20:34:23.2032 Import: Starting Slim::Music::PlaylistFolderScan scan 2007-08-14 20:34:23.2035 About to look for files in G:\music\playlists 2007-08-14 20:34:23.2043 For files with extensions in: [(?i-xsm:\.(?:asf|wax|asx|lnk|wpl|m3u|pls|xspf|cue|lnk)$)] 2007-08-14 20:34:34.0625 Import: Starting mergeVariousArtistsAlbums(). . .. ...2007-08-14 20:42:58.8540 ERROR: Error executing 'SELECT me.id, me.url, me.content_type, me.title, me.titlesort, me.titlesearch, me.album, me.tracknum, me.timestamp, me.filesize, me.disc, me.thumb, me.remote, me.audio, me.audio_size, me.audio_offset, me.year, me.secs, me.cover, me.vbr_scale, me.bitrate, me.samplerate, me.samplesize, me.channels, me.block_alignment, me.endian, me.bpm, me.tagversion, me.drm, me.musicmagic_mixable, me.musicbrainz_id, me.playcount, me.lastplayed, me.lossless, me.lyrics, me.rating, me.replay_gain, me.replay_peak, contributorTracks.role,
Re: [slim] Slimserver causes load on Internet traffic...
seanadams wrote: Should we add a robots.txt? Seemingly an excellent idea. I can't imagine why you /would/ want your SS indexed by Google, so IOW no downside. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is the Squeezbox two way?
djtopper wrote: What if I have a laptop at each stereo? I'd have to agree that digitizing and centralizing should be your immediate goal. That being said, if you had a laptop running at each system node this could be made to work. You'd wire a line out from each system to it's laptop. Software on the laptop would sample this and make it available as a stream. From a Squeezebox at any node you could tune in to any other node's stream. Silly in an overkill kind of way, but it could work. If you wanted to simplify it a little, run SlimServer and the local streamer on your computer + keyboard system (one less laptop) and digitize the discs in your 200 CD player (another laptop not needed). That would leave you only needed one laptop to stream from your DVD + tape system. But really, don't do this. Digitize what you wanna centralize. [Chorus] Digitize what you wanna centralize Digitize what you wanna centralize No Jewelbox, Discs, No Sleeves and No Spines Digitize what you wanna centralize [Repeat] --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New feature for SBX
ezkcdude wrote: Please search for existing threads before starting new ones! Perhaps they didn't like the way that one ended... Thinking about this - all that's really missing is some small device that functions as a USB host, can connect to the network and present a mounted USB volume to computers on that LAN. Such a thing could be standalone, or built into an SBx. Those USB male to WiFi dongles contain 2/3rds of what would be needed. And the current SB has the networking bits and a processor. Software wise, there would need to be something that recognized when a new share was available on the LAN and make it available for music folder browsing. The device could send a little broadcast, or call something in the SS CLI. Yeah, that would take some doing and require new hardware. But it would be a cool feature. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia N800
A quick hands-on with the N800 from AnandTech: Overall, the unit feels like a big improvement over the 770. When I reviewed the older unit, I found it to be slow and underpowered. In contrast, the N800 feels much more responsive. The faster CPU, doubled RAM, and new OS (Internet Tablet 2007 OS) appear to have made a big difference, especially when it comes to multitasking. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070109-8575.html --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia N800
bklaas wrote: Increased CPU, from 220 to 320Mhz. This may be nice, but I think the real performance upgrades on this platform needed are in WiFi and battery life. You might not want to discount the CPU speed bump just based on the MHz diff. I haven't seen the CPU model number posted, but apparently it's a new class that isn't directly comparable in a MIPS-to-MHz fashion. Perhaps OMAP2420 in the N800 instead of OMAP1710 in the 770. The new proc looks to have a DSP, and real hardware FPU (very useful for A/V codecs) and posts (notably bogus, and a single test, but...) BogoMIPS of 320.37 vs 125.76 from the 770. The upshot being that between the CPU and memory bumps the new device could be significantly, noticeably, usefully faster than the 770. I know I'm curious enough to head down to the local CompUSA for a test drive. See: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/critical-question-answered-yes-n800-is.html http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/006812.html --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Dean Blackketter
dean wrote: I have not yet been drawn and quartered, but have been very busy working with our new friends from Logitech. Also, I took the family to Maui for a week. Things should be settling down a bit soon and I'll be more present here. Wowee! Looking forward to seeing what's been cooking... --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB availability problems?
Squirrel wrote: All the UK suppliers of Squeezebox are showing out of stock, pre-order etc etc... Is this just a pre-xmas rush or something more sinister? Sinister? The last time this happened with SD, it was because there was a new hardware revision in the pipeline. Given the timing though, I would just guess that it's seasonal demand. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech?
radish wrote: Didn't he vanish around the same time that guy with the appendage-size issues was inviting us all to go meet him on his yacht off south america? Hmmm Or is he nose to the grindstone putting the final polish on some new Slimmie Goodness? --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
Mikael wrote: I (and my wife(o=)would realy like to have sync between 2 or more Squeezeboxes/Transporters when loged on to Squeeze Network. You may find this enhancement request to be pertinent: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3114 Sync'ing players with SN and Pandora would probably have a similar (if not identical) technical solution. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume Adjustments / Replay Gain
pc4ever1 wrote: I know there are normalizing programs for MP3 files, but most of my files are FLAC and I don't want to edit them in any manner. The Track Gain, Album Gain and SmartGain controls in SlimServer will only work if you have tagged your audio files with gain information. I'll assume that by above that you mean that you don't want to alter the pristine state of the lossless audio data contained within. If that's true, and you don't mind adding some normalization values to these files metadata tags, then you have a solution. Just get yourself a program that will calculate and store ReplayGain tags in the FLAC file metadata rather than applying the normalization to the audio data. I believe Foobar2000 will do either. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
davep wrote: 2. The Transporter is my second area of concern. I can see how the SB3 might fit into a Logitech product line-up as they are obviously moving into that area, but not the Transporter - it just not feel like a match for a company founded on mice and keyboards. And, as others have pointed out, the high end audio world is unlikely to embrace a Logitech device as being a credible serious device, however good it is. And I believe from my own experience it is a VERY good high end audio source. I cannot honestly see the Transporter surviving for long under the new owners (so get one while you can). Two thoughts on this: Slim may continue to co-brand or solely brand a portion of their lines. Or they might decide to define a new brand for their high-end offerings.So the Transporter might be the Logitech Transporter, it might something else entirely. After all, the Harmony remotes are still branded under that name. The RD costs of the Transporter are sunk. And that product is an asset that Logitech has just paid for. It doesn't make sense to me that a decision would be made to kill a product just as it is beginning to make money. It also provides an entry point into AV specific sales channels that may be desirable in Logitech's planning. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Do you expect that your products will be marketed under the SlimDevices brand or the Logitech brand? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
CardinalFang wrote: In that case, I would guess that in order to match the higher profile and wider consumer appeal that you would want to acquire, products like SlimServer have to break out of the more tech-led user base it has so far and develop a more consumer-friendly look and feel? I would say that the hardware, and the post setup user experience is already very consumer-friendly. Open source development is unlikely to provide that as it tends to build products that match the community's requirements, not the mass market's. This is not necessarily the case. Positive leadership in areas such as feature support and UI design can guide even the most raucous community to a usable outcome. Firefox is a good example. Also consider that the server is eminently skinnable, and would allow customizations for divergent user classes. You are also less likely to get support from that community now that it is to generate returns for anomymous major shareholders and not company founders. But community work still supports the community of users. Add a new feature then enjoy it yourself and enjoy the accolades of the other users. I would assume therefore that more in-house design and productisation is required - that would be the route I'd take. SlimDevices is already doing the bulk of this in-house. I'd actually like to see the server software get more consumer friendly, I'd feel more comfortable recommending it to friends. I wouldn't contribute freely to that myself though - Logitech are a rich company... And when rich companies join forces with a visionary community good things may come to be. Sure, this sort of change is scary. But I'd rather remain hopeful and work to keep the community going than to assume the worst and abandon the effort. Just my .02 --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nokia 770
jblotz wrote: Can a Nokia 770 be used to control a Squeezebox 2? What about a Palm OS 5.2 device using the IR? How about Palm OS 5.2 with wifi b? yes, there is a webUI skin just for this. maybe. might require some DIY. probably not ideal. yes, assuming a decent web browser in the Palm. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New Here-a Few Questions Please
Mark Lanctot wrote: I remember reading that MLB audio is highly protected and won't play on a Squeezebox. The MLB streaming audio service is resistant to be hijacked for ad-hoc delivery to a Squeezebox. But, there are those among us who hope that SlimDevices can swing a deal with the MLB to allow for a service that works similarly to Pandora. It may be too late this year, but perhaps something will be ready for next season. See: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 Slim Devices has organized some streams by city/region but it's not definitive. Look here: http://www.radio-locator.com/ for a list of all licensed stations in an area. Often there will be a link to their website or you can search for it. A location based search tool for terrestrial based streams would make a fantastic addition to the SqueezeNetwork. Think GoogleMaps hack wired up to a directory of stations. See map. Click for station deals. Click to add to SN favorites. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New Here-a Few Questions Please
ron thigpen wrote: A location based search tool for terrestrial based streams would make a fantastic addition to the SqueezeNetwork. Think GoogleMaps hack wired up to a directory of stations. See map. Click for station deals. Click to add to SN favorites. In fact, I like that idea enough to file an enhancement request. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3924 --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Signal Strenght
you may want to check the antenna connection on the SB2. just detach and reattach. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Transporter vs. SB3
JJZolx wrote: What kind of audiophile buys a $2000 source component without hearing it first? It appears that the 30 day trial applies to this product as well. And how better to try out a component but in your listening room, connected to your gear? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] A Wheel
This thing has a wheel. http://www.frontierdesign.com/Products/TranzPort/Introduction Maybe it could be set up to talk to the CLI. Interesting idea for a remote control, but probably a long shot for real world usability. Issues: Looks like closed software Mac/PC yes, but Linux? What range to the host PC? How responsive would this be? Wireless band might interfere with WLAN. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Flash UI -- (was) Re: [slim] Re: Stereophile's visit to Sonos
Proposition: Flash isn't Evil. (or Good.) It's just a technology. What we're really talking about, generically, are Rich Internet Applications. Which basically describes a client app that can run almost anywhere, has all the pluses of a browser based app, but is better at doing things like data persistence, complex UI controls, etc. and doesn't repaint it's entire interface with every user interaction. There are a whole slew of new, enabling technologies landing in the toolkits of developers. OpenLazlo and Adobe Flex to name a couple. These are developer-centric (re: not just for designers) tools for building RIAs. The Flash player becomes a container environment for RIAs. Some of the tools can also output to DHTML (Ajax). The Flash 9 container has some interesting capabilities. Besides doing the background data thing it can also run outside of a browser and participate in event based message queues. Take a look at the demos over at OpenLaszlo and Adobe: http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/?tab:samples=1 --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Stereophile's visit to Sonos
Michaelwagner wrote: I was explaining why I have a knee-jerk reaction to Flash, and why I have a hard time considering it a real development environment. Your reaction is understandable, but you might just as well denigrate HTML, Photoshop or the printing press. They're just authoring tools. Up until more recent versions the Flash tools consisted of two pieces: Flash Studio and Flash Player. The Flash Studio product was built for designers. It has basic 2D vector drawing tools and a timeline based animation scheme. It does support scripting, and you can build application UI in it, but that's not really what it was optimized for. And, yes, many crimes against eyeballs were committed. Though I've also seen some very impressive work built in that tool. Kvetch if you must, but all of that is yesterday's news. In my mind, the technology has found a purpose. Things progressed, and the ability to script the player became more impressive. The makers added functions to support data interchange with a server. Server components and methods were developed to ease that side of the development task. After some time, the makers seemed to realize that these application UI capabilities would be much more valuable than the animation capabilities. Macromedia/Adobe built out their set of tools, server frameworks and player with this in mind. Along came a new IDE based on the Eclipse project that is most definitely a real development environment. And a second generation of server tools. All of these pieces together constitute the technology being marketing as Flex. Flex's capabilities comprise a pretty complex story. MM/Adobe are making a noble attempt to explain it, but I'm not sure they've hit their stride yet. A lot of the information they're putting out is either strategic/marketing or technical nuts and bolts. But it won't be too long before some really great work is done with this tool. Developers will start wondering how did they do that and get interested. OpenLazslo is an open source equivalent set of tools and equally exciting. Personally, I can't wait to see what people do with these tools. Myself included. And who knows, it may provide a basis for a better SS. Yip! --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Softsqueeze for Nokia 770?
bklaas wrote: I have no experience with porting apps to the 770 though, so someone else will have to pipe in with that. The 770 runs the Maemo distribution. It's GNU/Linux. I believe most of the available apps are written for GCC. The new version has support for building applications in Python. Graphics are GTK. There is a custom interface kit called Hildon. If SoftSlave is GCC/GTK, then the porting /might/ be /relatively/ straightforward. Much Information Here: http://www.maemo.org/ --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] freedb closing down?
Perhaps there will be good news after all. http://freedb.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=293 These also appear on the homepage, which might be better to monitor for new items: http://freedb.org/ --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB3 runs warm, even when it is idle?
Michael Herger wrote: I've read a test where they measured the older ReadyNAS X6 at about 55 watts and well above 40dBA. FYI: The next version of the ReadyNAS firmware is in beta and being community tested. Some of the features in this update will address issues of noise and power consumption. It looks like there will be a disc spin-down feature and a change to the adaptive fan speed control that should reduce the RPMs in some cases. More here: http://infrant.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4578 One of the cool things about Infrant (like SlimDevices) is that they listen to their customers and constantly improve their products. I like my NV. It does exactly what it's supposed to and I rarely have to think about it. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone used Songbird?
oreillymj wrote: Looks like an open source iTunes replacement I've been watching this project and hoping for good things. The dev roadmap is here: http://www.songbirdnest.com/development/roadmap And here is a preview-preview of their next release: http://www.songbirdnest.com/node/525 If this works out, a little SB controller-via-CLI extension would seem to be a natural. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox and Infrant ReadyNAS NV
JJZolx wrote: Keep in mind, though, that the music files will have to be pulled across the network by the scanner. A scan running locally on a slower machine in which the music drives are mounted may end up being quicker due to faster file access. I am running GigE w/ Jumbo packets to a ReadyNAS NV. And, no, the disc accesses and transfers are not as fast as against a local drive. But they are pretty good. And better for reads than writes, which is what the scanner would be doing. And it remains to be seen whether the combination of slower disc plus faster PC yields a faster or slower scan. And despite the potential speed issue, I think running the scanner on the PC rather than the NAS might still be a good approach. It's nice if the scan finishes quickly, but it may be more important that the NAS is not starved for cycles that might cause slowness in the SS user interface. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox and Infrant ReadyNAS NV
mikerob wrote: I'd be interested if it was possible to do the re-scanning on a separate machine to generate the database file for those who may find 2-3 hours too painful... This makes an awful lot of sense. Should be close to reality once the scanner process is split off. Do you know if there is an existing enhancement request for this? --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody support coming very soon? WAS Re: [Slim-Checkins]
andyg wrote: Sorry, but Rhapsody support is only available for SB2/3. Does this also mean that Rhapsody playback cannot be sync'd between two or more SB2/3 players? --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia770 skin questions
bklaas wrote: I'll leave that choice up to you, but be prepared for some wait on having 6.5 do everything you want it to do. Please be aware that the 6.5b branch has just landed some massive changes and is currently in an unstable state. IIRC, the latest build that will be usable for most of us is the May 23rd nightly. Check the Beta forums for more information. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia770 skin on the latest SS6.5b1
bklaas wrote: my 2 cents--I think the Opera caching approach would be Occam's Razor to this, if it's possible. Big RS-MMC card, Opera configured to cache images to it and load locally if cached. might be able to optimize this approach with an automated cache loader web page. say, load up page a piece of album art, with some js to reload to the next and so on. if the 770 could be tricked into staying awake this could be run while it was sitting and charging. pick it first thing next AM with a full load of art in it's cache. or to be more brute force: transfer art to RS-MMC over USB and set a pref to direct the 770 skin to route img paths locally. it'd fall out of sync over time, but the browser wouldn't be able to flush it for other web bits. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is there an easy way to run SlimServer on a Networked Hard Drive (with pc off) ?
kdf wrote: enfrant that'd be Infrant, makers of the ReadyNAS line. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MLB.com gameday audio on a SqueezeBox?
Jack Coates wrote: MLB is a draw, but only local, and there are also a ton of other local radio shows/resources that I or my wife want to hear. I've tried a number of different solutions, but ended up just providing a tabletop radio next to the SB in many rooms. You're assuming that listeners are loyal to a local team. Much of the draw of the MLB streams, and the premium sports packages on cable TV is that you can follow out of market teams. And even if the team is local, these broadcasts are usually over long distance AM radio where reception can be sketchy, and fidelity is always always low. It's very frustrating to have a station fade out on you right at a key point in the action. I don't think I'm much interested in time-shifting for baseball coverage either. Part of the magic is the live aspect of the coverage. I agree that computer based, audio Tivo package would be fantastic. But for my money it would need to handle both internet streams as well as locally tuned over the air broadcasts. Audio Tivo and MLB Audio via SqueezeNetwork are two very different things. And for me, they don't really compete. There are applications out there that do the audio Tivo thing, but that's another thread. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MLB.com gameday audio on a SqueezeBox?
Jack Coates wrote: via SqueezeNetwork is a good point -- I was imagining something clunkier. I'd actually prefer a direct SS to MLB connection, as it would allow for sync'ing players. But I think in this case, the login handoff routine could be more closely guarded if it only happened in the SN code. IOW, it could work similarly to how Pandora/SN works, and for similar reasons. The only question is whether the two parties are motivated enough to make it happen. I would imagine that there is a big enough installed SB base so that it would definitely drive some MLB audio subscription sales (me for one). And there are certainly a lot of MLB fans out there who might welcome the opportunity to hear the games without having to hunch over their computer. And it would be very cool to see the MLB logo on the SD homepage, right next to Pandora. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ready NAS NV vs. Terastation Pro vs. Terastation vs. ??? (Storage Solution)
I've had a good experience with the ReadyNAS NV. Gives good performance over GigE. Setup was straightforward. Good feature set. I did have some networking issues on first setup, but it turned out to be a problem with my router handling the 'burstiness' of the NAS traffic. Solution actually turned out to be getting better power to the router. I was a bit torn between that and the DIY small box solution. I would have liked to have the extra horsepower to give the option of running a better performing SlimServer on the storage box. In the end, I went for the ease of setup and am happy. I know I would have spent a good deal of time getting the DIY box configured. One option you might consider is going with a 3x400GB drive config. Price should be similar. At the cost of a bit of storage today you'll get room to grow and one less drive device to fail. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MLB.com gameday audio on a SqueezeBox?
I voted for this as well. Radio (audio) is the best way to enjoy baseball. This would be a fantastic enhancement, and a sure way to sell some Squeezeboxes to baseball fans. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MLB.com gameday audio on a SqueezeBox?
Any idea what the streaming technology is this year? They've used Real in the past, but I thought I'd read where they'd signed a new deal. Can't recall who the provider was, or what formats the streams would be in. That would make a big difference in LOE for the SN. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MLB.com gameday audio on a SqueezeBox?
ron thigpen wrote: Any idea what the streaming technology is this year? Answering my own question: http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/help/faq_system_requirements.jsp Looks like WMA. That's good news as far as SN feasibility. But bad news for my idea of tuning in via the Nokia 770 with audio out to my receiver. Oh well. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ready NAS NV vs. Terastation Pro vs. Terastation vs. ??? (Storage Solution)
Please don't misinterpret my post. Installation and configuration was a breeze. And performance is good. This is a very slick product. It /is/ technology. There is a lot to potentially go wrong, and it has to get along with other gear. Most of the support threads on the Infrant forums show good interactions with the company and have happy endings. In most cases, the fault and the fix seem to be with associated equipment. In my case, it was the router's fault. Or more accurately, the router's wall wart's fault. Others have had issues with bad cabling, NICs, NIC drivers, etc. Just the nature of the beast. For most users, I'm guessing this is their first foray into GigE. I give Infrant credit for corralling a host of potential issues and putting out a highly usable device. And since finishing my setup and writing some robocopy scripts I've not had a single issue. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Anyway to use WPA with SB 1.0?
JJZolx wrote: Instead of being forced to buy an SB3, you could also get a second wireless router and run WEP on it and connect it to your home network. Alternatively, you could get a WPA-capable WLAN-to-Ethernet adapter and use the SB1's ethernet port. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MP3Gain Problem
ron thigpen wrote: Mark Lanctot wrote: I'm wondering if it's the new foobar 0.9. It definitely didn't work in 0.8.3. Hmmm. I've tagged my whole library for RG with Foobar both FLAC and MP3. I'm using 0.9 now, but most of that was done with 0.8.3. AFAICT, the SlimServer has always picked up on the tags just fine. I may need to revise this statement. I did some quick spot checking. It looks as though a pattern may exist. I'll dig a bit more to confirm before posting a bug report, but here's what it's starting to look like: Using Foobar2000 v0.8.3: RG tags applied by FB to FLAC files seem to be picked up. RG tags applied by FB to MP3+ID3v2.3.0 files seem to be picked up. RG tags applied by FB to MP3+ID3v2.4.0 files seem NOT to be picked up. I'll check further over the weekend. In the meantime, maybe some of you would like to check this out. Could help zero in on a pesky bug. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MP3Gain Problem
Mark Lanctot wrote: Don't think it really matters anyway - 0.9 is the new version. 0.8.3 isn't available for download, not through the regular website anyway. Yeah, I've been running v0.9 for about a week now. And it looks like some of the MP3+ID3v2.4.0 files that I'd tagged since upgrading FB aren't showing their RG tags is SS. I'm only able to check the web interface right now, but if this proves to be true then it points to an issue in the SS scan and/or store pieces. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: If you store lyrics in your tags
kbeast wrote: That is the major downfall to that plugin that it doesn't utilize timestamps-- that would be sweet. and a resounding chorus of Patches Welcome!!! echoed throughout the hills and valleys of that great land... ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: What's a good backup utility?
bernt wrote: On Windows XP use robocopy and Schedule. robocopy D:\path C:\path /MIR works for me. Better yet, schedule this: robocopy D:\srcpath E:\destpath /E /B This will copy over any new or modified files to your backup but _not_ delete any files/dirs that are in the destpath but not in the srcpath. This practice protects against a lost/deleted source being automatically synchronized over to your backup. And run this only when you are sure of the state of the source files: robocopy D:\srcpath E:\destpath /MIR This will delete files/dirs which have been removed from the source, freeing up space on your backup device. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CNET network media player list
Peter wrote: I do like the looks of the Soundbridge Radio. ;) But it is but vapor so far. Nice how the Buy Now button links to the page with the Shipping Soon message. Soon Now --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: MP3Gain Problem
Mark Lanctot wrote: I'm wondering if it's the new foobar 0.9. It definitely didn't work in 0.8.3. Hmmm. I've tagged my whole library for RG with Foobar both FLAC and MP3. I'm using 0.9 now, but most of that was done with 0.8.3. AFAICT, the SlimServer has always picked up on the tags just fine. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
