[slim] Darko Audio's recent video tribute to the Squeezebox (GOAT)
*If this is already posted elsewhere, my apologies* John Darko has a good appreciation for the merits of Squeezeboxes and how well they hold up against today's popular offerings. Not sure if I can get away with posting a link, but I'll try below: YouTube: The GREATEST music streamer of ALL TIME (for Spotify, Tidal, Deezer & more) https://youtu.be/g4-W7Zp4WnM -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117071 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonicorbiter SE squeezebox replacement + Roon
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think this is a good thing and I wish it all the success in the world. I certainly don't think it is excessively priced, considering the quality of the hardware you're getting and broad support of streaming protocols. I have been using a Cubox-i2ex with a iFi nano iDSD as my bedroom headphone rig for over a year (connected via a power line modem). Once I'd paid for the hardware and for DHL to transport it from Israel to the US, I'd spent $150 on just the 2" cube and its switched-mode power adapter. Then I was on my own to install Debian, Squeezelite and configure Squeezelite to output to my iFi nano DAC (with -D for the DSD support). The way I look at it, for $300, you're getting a fully configured solution that supports not only Squeezebox streaming, but gives you Roon and HQ Player end-points out of the box as well. Plus, it's a supported product that works out of the box (just add a USB DAC of your choice). I also no longer care about having a display on my streaming boxes, especially not a 4" low resolution display that can't be read across a room and can't be picked up and taken to your chair for browsing. We have tablets for that these days, and thanks to iPeng and the like, they do a much better job. I have no connection with Small Green Computer or Sonore, and do not stand to benefit financially from sales of their products. I do want to see a successful and sustainable ecosystem grow up around high quality music streaming, though. For that, we need sustainable business models, and healthy (but not obscene) profit margins. -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104962 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can Raspberry Pi, HiFiBerry, Max2Play, PiCorePlayerOS etc save the Squeezebox system?
cliveb wrote: > It strikes me that the Squeezebox ecosystem has already migrated to the > technical hobbyist domain; a bit like MythTV. > And because LMS is open-source, it is likely to remain alive and well > for many years to come, but only within that restricted niche. > I personally shall continue to use it (and MythTV) for the foreseeable > future. > But as a commercial product it seems pretty much dead - Joe Public isn't > going to be interested in fiddling around with Raspberry PIs. > > (What happens when mysqueezebox.com shuts down doesn't interest me - I > have never used it). I agree with your observation: it has already migrated to the technical hobbyist domain and as such suits my *personal* needs just fine. I guess I wanted to understand better why commercial realizations were not forthcoming since all the key technical problems are solved already. It would be attractive to me if there were a nicely packaged player in a box with ethernet in and audio out on RCA or XLR sockets. The technical barriers to entry seem low to non-existent, but the legal and market-strategy considerations seem to have made this a non-starter. I guess a public forum is not the place to discuss this in detail, but I was hoping to get some clues by posting here. It would certainly strengthen the ecosystem to have commercial success occur in some fashion, but the mix of open source community-based contributions and commercially motivated concerns seem to have created a very toxic combination in the recent past, not that I claim to have properly understood what happened there. It just instinctively feels like a lost opportunity to me that's all. Charles. -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Can Raspberry Pi, HiFiBerry, Max2Play, PiCorePlayerOS etc save the Squeezebox system?
Hi Guys, Nothing lasts forever, but I am have to say I am impressed by the amount of activity that's springing up around the globe these days basically by hobbyists and the technically able users, but it all seems very positive to me. Some key enablers have been Logitech's enlightened GPL licensing of LMS, Adrian's wonderful Squeezelite, continued improvements to the server platform by Michael Herger and others and the explosion in popularity of boards like the Raspberry Pi, Odroid platforms. This seems to show two things: 1) People who know about Squeezebox really love the system and will go to great lengths to keep it running even without commercial hardware support 2) There seems to a resurgence of interest in high quality audio that is far removed from the stratospheric so-called "high end" and is more about kilo-buck headphone rigs than it is about man-cave statement audiophoolery, and this is not by any means restricted to the boring old fart demographic anymore. However, before I get too optimistic and dewey-eyed, there are some causes for concern: 1) At some point, Logitech will presumably want to shut down MySqueezebox.com and stop funding the CDN that supports it. Will Ickstream be a stable and good substitute by then? 2) The lack of commercial hardware still bothers me. The knock against Squeezebox even in its heyday was that it was too demanding technically for the average consumer; now that you have to be able assemble a Raspberry Pi and write a downloaded image to a micro-SD card, the barrier to general adoption is higher than ever. There still seems to be a big gap in the market between a $35 streaming stick from Google and a Sonus Connect box from $350. Is it just uneconomic to make a box that retails for $250 provides a really high quality audio streaming client? We're getting pretty close to that with some pre-assembled kits such as this one: http://www.audiophonics.fr/fr/appareils-hifi-dac/audiophonics-raspdac-lecteur-reseau-raspberry-pi-20-dac-sabre-p-10369.html. (I realize there is a big difference between selling a barebones audio computer and a fully finished streamer with all appropriate codec patent licenses paid up and CE-certified for electrical safety etc.) Nevertheless, I can't help wishing for someone to take this on commercially. Just some random thoughts on a Saturday afternoon. No big agenda here, but I would be interested in others' thoughts on the topic. Does the Raspberry Pi phenomenon help or hinder the chances of Squeezebox systems staying with us for the next 5+ years? Charles -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing iPeng 9 - Support for iPad Multitasking, iPad Pro and more
pippin wrote: > There's another issue with Siri: it only properly works in English. Yes, > it supports other languages, too, but the problem is it's not > multi-lingual. So if I set it to German and then try to search for an > album with an English name I first have to figure out what Siri thinks > how a German pronunciation of that title would sound like, > And if I set it to English I can no longer find German albums or artists > or e.g. Locations (ok, navigation is probably less of an issue on the TV > as on the phone). > This really restricts Siri's usefulness outside English speaking > countries. Hadn't thought about that! Thanks for the replies. -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104537 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing iPeng 9 - Support for iPad Multitasking, iPad Pro and more
pippin wrote: > > > No, the Apple TV NEEDS a remote control, it's not one by itself. > > I totally understand your point, but I was wondering with Siri integration in the new Apple TV, can we get searches inside content known to Apps? I get the impression that voice control is meant to compensate for the lack of mechanical keyboard for the use-cases that Apple wants to support. Some possibilities come to mind here, although much easier said than done! -- "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..." dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104537 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Touch Prices...
I find the following combo is stable with excellent SQ http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WBDUAL/1406-0004-ND for $103 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WBENCLOSURE/1406-0003-ND $10.35 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WBANTENNAKIT/1406-0002-ND $10.00 http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/productproduct_id=83 $42 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004TA0AUW/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8psc=1 $9.99 Plug-In AC Adapters 10W 5V OUTPUT US AC 2 PRONG PLUG $10 http://www.communitysqueeze.org/images/wandboard/CSOS/CSOS-Wandboard-Dual-R4-20130510-2.img.7z (free) So for $185, you get better sound quality than the SB Touch's analog output (IMO, based on the HifiMeDiy Sabre USB DAC's competent implementation of the ESS Sabre ES9023 chip). This particular DAC will plug straight into the USB port of the Wandboard without needing a hub. Furthermore, if you do add a hub and a USB HDD it will run LMS with decent speed, due to the dual core 1GHz CPU and 1GB DDR3 RAM. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Squeezed_Rotel wrote: Has anyone (in US) selected the 5 volt PSU? I have been adding the recommended components listed on the FAQ, to my Digi-Key shopping list, I haven't picked out a PSU. Thoughts? Mouser #: 826-DA12-050US-M Mfr. #: DA12-050US-M Desc.: Plug-In AC Adapters 10W 5V OUTPUT US AC 2 PRONG PLUG dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
dasmueller wrote: ^ I believe that most if not all who have been following this thread applaud the efforts that folks have made. Some have made suggestions which have been perceived as more than can be done at this point. Perhaps some or all of their wishes may be met in the future. Some who are not as savvy as others have asked for more clarification so that they might be able to help. I do not perceive any of it to be whining and to suggest so is I believe counterproductive to moving the whole process forward. Hopefully we can all proceed to bring this project to a successful conclusion. Keep up the good work ! I took out the part of my post you objected to. I don't like to be counter-productive. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Hi, I just wanted to voice my support for this initiative and say that I'll be joining the ranks of testers once Mouser fulfills my order placed yesterday. I hope to be counted among the ranks of those who do rather than those who whine from the sidelines. My sincere congrats to those who've done a whole lot to make this possible so far. Thanks. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
I am very happy to see this initiative, and wish you great success with it. It makes a great deal of sense to go for device independence, but I hope you will have some differentiated hardware in your ecosystem, since the digital streaming music business is quite crowded by now. I am sure you have ideas on how to differentiate yourself from what's already out there. I did try the obvious to see if I could get a peak at what you're up to, but to no avail. git clone https://code.google.com/p/ickstream/ Cloning into 'ickstream'... warning: You appear to have cloned an empty repository. No surprises there, but it was worth a try. Hopefully, there will be a degree of open community development once the first public release happens...? dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX
Works great! Thanks for doing this, ralphy. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96328 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread
Can't agree that the graphical volume slider is redundant. The hardware buttons are nice for people who know about them, but it's the not the first place new users will look to control the volume. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96679 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone I've been looking around what I can buy in the way of audio streamers for under $1000. It's pretty hard to find anything that is competitive with the product that Logitech killed. You would think the invisible hand of the market would come to the rescue, but results so far are not positive. Perhaps there really isn't a big enough market for this stuff, but I see increasing interest and awareness from so many on-line tech sites and forums, which makes me think more people know and care about this stuff than ever before. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread
Since Logitech exited the SB hardware market, it would not be a competitive issue for you to offer a Mac OS X version on that App Store. I'm sure many of us could see the benefit of this, including the ability have client and server on the same machine with high resolution bits out (SPDIF and USB) to a nice DAC. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96679 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player erland wrote: The Touch was probably not their biggest cash cow but are you sure they actually loosed money on it ? I don't think I've ever seen anything like this mentioned from an official source, but I might have missed something. Probably the cost of after-sales support added to the CDN fees and network costs of keeping mysqueezebox.com alive make it marginal or worse (my guess). I wouldn't expect Logitech had the luxury of killing off profitable lines of business. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player The Apple TV and Airport Express both retail for $99 MSRP in the US. I think this end of the market is entirely owned by Apple, who benefits from the ubiquity of iThings and PCs/Macs with iTunes installed. Metcalf's Law can be said to apply, (the value of a telecommunications network is proportional to the square of the number of connected users of the system). Someone trying to displace the incumbent faces a hopeless odds unless they have a unique value proposition, preferably something disruptive. However, I see a big gap between the $99 boxes by Apple and the cheapest Sonos ZonePlayer, which is $350. A product not too different from the Touch is needed in that price range (anything up to $350). I don't know the secret of how Logitech were managing to lose money on it, other than they were charging too little money for it. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
pippin wrote: Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new infrastructure just for a re-branded radio? It is not such a big investment for them in these days of virtual servers and CDNs. They could be testing the market for a simplified (reduced functionality) device before taking the decision bring any other devices to the market. If the radio sold well enough to convince them not to entirely kill the SB line a few years ago, then the temptation to validate their concept using essentially the same device is understandable. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: John Darko: I�m moving to an iTunes-fronted playback system. Bye-bye Squeezeboxen.
the nightfly wrote: What is all this (affected, IMHO) crap about Squeezeboxen and bit perfecten...? Some special way for Mac devotees to put down those of us who haven't moved on (sic) to bow in adoration at The Church of Jobs? http://www.catb.org/jargon/oldversions/jarg211.txt boxen /bok'sn/ pl.n. [very common; by analogy with VAXen] Fanciful plural of box often encountered in the phrase `Unix boxen', used to describe commodity Unix hardware. The connotation is that any two Unix boxen are interchangeable. (But bit perfecten is bogus.) dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96510 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: John Darko: I�m moving to an iTunes-fronted playback system. Bye-bye Squeezeboxen.
Audirvana allows iTunes to catalog FLAC files and cause them to be played back by Audiovana's backend via creation of proxy files. All it takes is to drag a group of FLAC files into the Add Files to iTunes drop-zone, with the quality setting at the default of Proxies only, no sound. This is much quicker than actual file re-encoding, and stands as my last vestige of protest, now that we can no longer truly Free (y)our Music. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96510 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
3 x Touch (1 for Audio-only paired with a nice DAC, 1 for main AV system, 1 for bedside headphone listening) 1 x Receiver (bonus room) The recent bad news caused me to add one additional Touch, which is the one connected to the AV system. I can't see hardware component failure being much of an issue, but if the LCD backlight is cold cathode, it could fade to black over time. I'm hoping they used LEDs. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] mysqueezebox delen via facebook
Dat vond ik leuk om te lezen dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95415 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] RIP Steve Jobs
maggior;661594 Wrote: We all knew he was sick, but it still feels sudden. It saddens me because he was so young. I am no apple fanboy, but me an my family have enjoyed our iPods since 2007. Love him or hate him, you have to admit he was an innovator. Innovator, visionary, risk-taker, business leader and the driving force of a personal tech revolution. Sad that he should have to leave us so soon, but what an amazing success he has left behind as a legacy! -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90747 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] This is not a current issue
I have two Linux servers running in my home (Vortexbox and Linkstation), and all is golden regarding seeing players on the other server, and moving them around from the web interface. I suppose Linux hosts are less likely to have security software that could defeat the discovery mechanism? -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90095 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] VortexBox 7.6.1 FAST! (sort-of)
Ron Olsen;655010 Wrote: If you want faster scanning performance, install a 2 TB SATA drive in your VB and use it for your music library instead of a NFS network drive. SBS 7.6.1 works very well on my VortexBox Appliance with this setup. Scanning times are significantly faster than with SBS 7.5.x. Ron, it looks as if you were speed-reading the OP's remarks. Pski is really complaining that the 7.6.1 scanner is not capable of processing certain of his artwork files and instead of skipping them with a warning it hangs or dies in an uncontrolled way. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90111 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Airfoil plus Airport Express or Alternatives
Airfoil is working for you and is probably the most complete/mature solution out there. If it's $25 that bothers you there are things like http://www.hersson.net/raopx , which Google found for me, but looks quite a bit more challenging to install than Airfoil. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89901 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Which amp for a squeezebox?
1) NAD - C -326BEE - Stereo Integrated Amplifier 2) Cambridge - 550A Integrated Amplifier 3) Marantz - PM5004 Integrated Amp All about $500 in the US, which is more than a few $100 but realistic if you want to match the quality of the Touch. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89276 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best alternative to iTunes
+1 on dbpoweramp Consider MediaMonkey as it syncs to quite a few mobile phones including Android devices. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88096 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet remote stolen, receiver not...
If you have an iPod Touch or an iPhone, then the iPeng app allows you to select mysqueezebox.com as the music source for the player it is controlling. I just tested this just now and it works fine. I thought I could do the same with the Beta of Squeezeplay, but although there is a menu item (under Advanced, Networking) to switch to mysqueezebox.com, I can't get it to work for me. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88031 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ideal Server Computer?
boatnanny;633435 Wrote: an atom based system is the way to go choose one of the dual core models,install vortexbox (www.vortexbox.org) and hide it away in a corner you wont go back to anything else -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87968 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Massive problems with SB setup - close to giving up!!
I think most of your problems stem from running the internal server on the SB Touch, which has very minimal compute resources (533 MHz ARM11 and 128MB RAM) to share between being both a client and a server. Not withstanding that the USB disk is physically connected to the touch, the system still uses a full client-server architecture within the one box to provide the music browsing, selection and playback. You've said very clearly that you don't want to spend $160 on a NAS to get the system working, and I can understand that. I would, however, suggest an Intel Atom based low-power server as being the minimum necessary to get trouble-free enjoyment out of a squeezebox system. I used to use an ARM9 based NAS, but it was too slow for my long term needs. Trying to get the internal ARM11 core in the SB Touch to do double duty as both client and server is just asking too much, IMO. I think your troubles with the BOOM are, however, unrelated and may be due to an actual hardware issue. You presumably are using an Intel-based computer to write your posts, so you probably have such a machine at your disposal. As a temporary measure, I recommend installing Squeezebox Server on that to see what kind of performance and reliability you could be enjoying. If that goes well, swallow hard and build or buy a small Atom-based headless server especially for hosting your music collection. I like to use the Vortexbox distro for that, but other Linux distros or Windows Home Server may be a good solution too. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
Most of the tests were done using a pair of highly regarded, smooth-measuring full-range loudspeakers in a rural listening room with an ambient noise floor of about 19 dBA SPL, all electronics on (see Fig. 2). This vagueness about the equipment being used is a bit of a concern, but I managed to find out from another source that: The playback equipment in this system consisted of an Adcom GTP-450 preamp and a Carver M1.5t power amplifier. Speaker cables were 8 feet of generic 12-gauge stranded wire; the line-level connecting cables were garden-variety. Three different players were used: a Pioneer DV-563A universal player, a Sony XA777ES SACD model, and a Yamaha DVD-S1500. The loudspeakers were a pair of Snell C5s. It seems as if the equipment used to evaluate the audibility of the 16/44.1 bottleneck was variable and never itself truly verified for audio bandwidth and dynamic range. If this were my measurement campaign I would insist on a frequency sweep of the entire equipment chain from source to sound waves captured with a calibrated microphone at the listening position. As it is, I am not convinced that the introduced 16/44.1 bottleneck was truly the dominant system bottle neck. I don't have any worries about the Carver amp, but the Adcom pre has a 0.5dB bandwidth of 20Hz to 20kHz, and the speakers top out at 22kHz. It's 2011 and its still well past time to settle the matter scientifically. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
Mnyb;614595 Wrote: ? I was under the impression that majority of the eventual improvement is in the increased bith depth ? As this would increase the signal content that we stand a chance to hear. I know what a brick wall fillter is, but this is nowdays only a factor during recording then the frequency must be high to avoid that,. But for playback at home most modern DAC's have massive oversampling so for playback this is not really a problem anymore. For any kind of oversampling to occur without gross errors, there needs to be a very sharp low pass filter (usually done in the digital domain). There is nothing quite like this high order, low pass filter in natural acoustic spaces, which is why low sample rate PCM recordings always sound like something's wrong with them, IMO. The counter argument is that our ears have the bandwidth limitation, so that is doesn't matter if the reproduction system has a compatible bandwidth limitation. The reason I think otherwise is that we humans have a very non-linear perception of audio amplitude, and we can detect wrong timing of transient events even though we may not have the corresponding ability to detect continuous high frequency tones. For a purely linear system, this would be nonsense, since bandwidth and timing resolution are inextricably linked as reciprocal quantities in linear signal processing. Nevertheless, it is my conjecture that a higher than 20kHz bandwidth audio channel is necessary to avoid that our sensitive, non-linear ears pick up disconcerting, not-found-in-nature timing cues that cause us to identify the music source as electronic, unnatural and perhaps even fatiguing for long-term listening. I guess I am setting myself up for several flames for writing this post. However, I am just sharing an opinion. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
Wombat;614827 Wrote: No, of cause not. We are on Slimdevices General forum. Let your feelings flow, no evidense needed! :) It is not a feeling, but a reasoned conjecture. Difficult to measure per se without sticking electrodes in people's brains. The non-linear and time variant nature of the human ear's response to sound pressure waves is, however, well-established. The following is not a scientific paper, either, but you may find the following discussion interesting. http://www.ayre.com/pdf/Ayre_MP_White_Paper.pdf All I am saying is that from my point of view this seems plausible. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 24-bit audio (new article)
I like the linked Gigaom article's tone and approach. http://gigaom.com/apple/24-bit-itunes-music-would-be-a-step-in-the-right-direction/ I'd personally only interested if it were 24 bits@96kHz. I care more for the 96kHz than the 24 bits, but I'd certainly be glad to have both. I'd feel a bit sorry for the likes of Linn Records and HDTracks if this were to happen, though. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BIG ANGRY BEEF, buggy upgrade install process, SBS/SBR
MrSinatra;612637 Wrote: well dammit, i spoke too soon. it WAS working last night; today, not. blue light. SBS can't find it/see it. so i hook it up to udap and make a SS, see attached. it has the same settings now that it had last night when it worked. i guess i can't turn it off? what more do i need to tell the damn thing to make it so it will always be reachable by SBS? also, does it matter / how do i tell it to just match the channel the router uses? the router is set to auto, so it changes periodically. there is no security on the router. My experience is that the only thing that can make this 100% solid is to have static IP addresses set up in the SBR. Code: lan_ip_mode: 0 This entails setting up all the address, netmask, gateway and DNS server settings, which is a pain but only has to be done once. Sometimes you can get DHCP to populate these settings for you and then make them static by saving them with lan_ip_mode=0, which is fine if you also reserved that IP address in the router setup screen. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85793 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slim Devices Software archive??
shaboyi;588364 Wrote: Does anyone know if the slim devices software archive is accessible somewhere? it used to be at http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads but that site appears gone. I am looking for Slimserver 6.2.1 and 5.x versions. thanks. http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ All your old favorites are there! -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83189 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody no longer compatible with my Touch???
cjfreitag;587855 Wrote: I've tried this using both SBS on my Mac and MSB. The Rhapsody behavior is the same either way. I've tested this on my Touch running on SBS 7.5.1 and the latest 7.6 beta, each with their respective latest fab4 firmware versions. On Rhapsody, pressing play will cause tracks will buffer quickly to 100% but subsequently fail to play. Tried the same thing on an IP3K based Squeezebox 3, and Rhapsody plays perfectly fine. The OP had it right, IMO. This seems to be an incompatibility of Rhapsody with the Touch's firmware. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody no longer compatible with my Touch???
rgro;587890 Wrote: But, that doesn't explain why Rhapsody and my Touch are playing perfectly. It depends where you live, as to which servers you connect to and therefore which set of bugs you get to experience at any given time. There are plenty of people in the same boat, as you can see from various forum posts. http://forum.rhapsody.com/rhapsody/topics/rhapsody_suddenly_failing_on_squeezebox -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone up for a fun little survey?
Discovered that perfect sound forever comes on a (backed up) hard drive! -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83105 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's Airplay coming soon...
Airtunes has been around for a while. However, I've never really been tempted to build a system with iTunes as a 'server' application because it's not built to be one. It's a foreground application with a GUI and can only stream at a time (although that one stream can have many simultaneous endpoints). Moreover, unless I can get a 500GB iPAD, it wouldn't be an appropriate host for my music collection. Even if I could fit a large music collection on a flash-based device, whenever I wanted to use a different device to stream my music collection I'd need to have a copy of my music collection there as well. It would be a major problem to keep multiple copies in synch. So, I clearly need a client-server approach, which the Airtunes/Airplay ecosystem doesn't have. I am not aware that there are any plans to change that. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81670 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I see vortexbox in a vm as a good solution
Inspired by this thread I thought I'd give Vortexbox a spin as a guest OS under Ubuntu 10.04, using VmWare's free VMplayer. This was way easier than trying out the distro on bare metal, which I have done once before. I was highly impressed by how complete and functional Vortexbox is these days. Yummy, in fact :-) Since my host is a laptop, I don't have a reason to want keep a Virtual Vortexbox running on such a machine, but I did use it to rip a new CD into my collection which it did efficiently and correctly. Overall, if I were to switch to Vortexbox in a dedicated machine as a storage appliance, I think I'd still install it on bare metal, but as a test environment VMware/Virtualbox has considerable merit. Furthermore, I have enjoyed getting reacquainted with Vortexbox, which I may not have bothered to do had it entailed dedicating a machine to it just for testing purposes. Best regards, Charles. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Scans seem slow? web, SBC ui slow? how to make them faster! vote for this bug!
I am not the database expert you're looking for, but I suggest applying the KISS principle. There's one set of values (from Moonbase) that has been tested by members of this forum for almost a year now, and we've had overwhelmingly positive reports. I don't suggest making new sets of values, that have yet to be tested and may have unintended consequences. I know you were looking for a more sophisticated answer than that, but I feel that we're in danger of letting the best be the enemy of the good here. Whatever values are chosen, it is worth using tuning-primer.sh to do a sanity check on them (if you are on a Linux type system) https://launchpad.net/mysql-tuning-primer -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IR Code Not Defined?
If you're using the latest nightly builds, there were 6 new discrete IR codes added for Harmony remote integration (presets 1-6). I don't know if this is causing your issue. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79454 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I wonder why...DNLA
andyg;552973 Wrote: but it's a large job and I don't have the tuits to work on it right now. ...and the pointy-haired boss is forcing to put your round tuits into a square hole? (Don't answer that!) -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79427 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PCMag review of Touch
I don't particularly like it when a source component absolutely requires that I have the remote in my hand to make use of it. At least with the SB Touch, I can still use it if my remote has slipped behind a sofa cushion or gone to wherever remotes go when you most need them... There are a number of other less conventional installation options where the touch interface would come to the fore, e.g., wall mounted controller for multi-room music systems, bedside headphone rig, desktop systems etc. To me, the touch interface is far from the main selling point, but I'm still glad it's there. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78738 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox, Squeezecenter and Pulseaudio.
iamsrp;542620 Wrote: I've been doing some work on a Pulse Audio backend to try to get SqueezePlay working under Maemo (Nokia's N900 et al). There's a patch which works for 7.6 on Ubuntu here (mangling the URL to get around the spam filer): https colon // garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=5627group_id=1311atid=4902 It's a first cut and not perfect (getting it into the build was a bit of a kludge) but I'm throwing it out there so others can play too. Thanks for sharing that. There's a bunch of people who wanted that done! I'll be testing it later today. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57537 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback with FLAC
SamS;537223 Wrote: I don't know what in EAC could be causing this. Fill up missing offset samples with silence. I don't know, but it would be reasonable to think that if the drive has an offset and you can't get actual samples for that offset, that EAC could be supplying its own silent samples for encoding into the FLAC file. How about re-ripping DSOTM with that option unchecked? Just a suggestion. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77561 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 802.11N Wireless Support
toby10;533258 Wrote: Correct, N still not needed. I can stream full WAV's to three wireless SB players using a G router without a hiccup. I think where N might be a benefit to G devices (like SB players) is if you have spotty G WiFi (interference, long distance to players, etc..). But if your G WiFi is strong and doesn't suffer from such issues then you would never know the difference between G or N. The ability of .11n to work reliably over long distances and use spatial diversity to overcome interference is a very material point. Additionally, dual band operation provides a significant boost to the number of free channels you can use to escape the overcrowded 2.4GHz band. Consider how many posts have been made to this forum on issues of drop-outs and stuttering that turned out to be wireless related. In my opinion, .11n is not needed for speed but it is needed for robustness. Or, I should say use of .11n is -one- way to obtain robustness. Another approach would be to use technologies like SMSC's KLEER or Sonos' proprietary SonosNet, which use various technical approaches that are better suited to the QoS requirements of an audio link than is standard wireless LAN in an overcrowded ISM band. I realize there are reasons for being ideologically opposed to using proprietary networking. These days, the best standardized technology for that would be dual-band 802.11n with at least 2 spatial streams, even though it is extreme overkill in terms of bandwidth for audio applications. Fortunately, we get to reuse that network for many other things as well (video streaming, downloading the latest Ubuntu 10.04 ISO images to our laptops etc etc). A final point on market adoption: 802.11n represented more than 19 percent of all WLAN access point shipments in the first three quarters of 2009. Those early adopter geeks seem to have quite some purchasing power... http://www.abiresearch.com/press/1584-Consumer+802.11n+Wi-Fi+Access+Point+Shipments+Forecast+to+Exceed+32+Million+in+2010 -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77155 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Acer Aspire Revo: Good Server Bones?
Midnight;522553 Wrote: Thanks Colincliff Anyone know how to set a static IP addy with the Ubuntu? Assuming you are using the default Gnome GUI: From the System menu, select Preferences and then Network Connections from the drop-down list. You will see a dialog box with tabs for Wired, Wireless, Mobile Broadband, VPN and DSL. Select the tab of interest (probably Wired or Wireless), and click on the name of the connection you want to set as static (e.g., Auto eth1), and click edit. A new dialog box will pop up, in which you can select a tab to control the IPV4 settings. Once that tab has been selected, use the pull-down menu to change from Automatic (DHCP) to Manual and and the click Add, so that you can fill out the Address, Netmask and Gateway as well as the appropriate DNS server address. Click Apply. Done. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73774 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] anyone using 7.5 embedded?
garym;524842 Wrote: scan not finishing is almost surely a virus program problem. Search this forum for MSE (or whatever the microsoft virus scanner is called) or mcafee. Try turning off the virus scanner, doing your music scan, then turn it back on. 7.5 embedded is not using MySQL anymore, and that was the previous source of virus scanner issues. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76099 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] anyone using 7.5 embedded?
- the hardware you're using Buffalo Linkstation LS-XHL (1TB disk, ARM 9 CPU @ 1.2Gz) - general size of your music collection 7.5k tracks - any noticeable speedup in the WebUI? Yes, it's faster for me on this hardware than 7.3.3 used to be on an AMD Athon XP PC. - whether it works with MusicIP (if you use that) Didn't try. - any problems with squeezeslave Didn't try. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76099 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is it possible? PC Albumplayer (a windows media player) direct to Squeezebox
west_sounds;523673 Wrote: Hi I wonder if anyone can give me some help. I am desperate to get some wireless music. So far I have looked at the apple airport express and the squeezebox receiver. From what I can gather the Squeezebox is the highest quality audio (as the airport express can add some pops and crackles in the silence between tracks, so I have read). Sound quality is my main priory. However I dont want to use itunes, windows media player or the squeeze box software or any extra remote controls. I have two laptops running the Albumplayer jukebox software and I just want that direct from the laptops to the receiver to my HiFi. It is obviously possible someway but has anyone done it. I see AE has third party Airfoil software that lets you do a similar thing but I can find anything for the SB receiver. I just want to buy a couple of receivers and I hoping I wont need the remote as it is something I dont really want. There is a way to do what you ask, using the WaveInput V1.05 plugin of SqueezeCenter, which is maintained by bpa who is very helpful in these forums. This would involve setting up the Squeezebox Server software in addition to AlbumPlayer and setting a favorite that tunes to the soundcard output. You will also likely need either a physical (cable) loopback cable, or a (real or virtual) soundcard that can be configured to do loopback. As I say, it may not be very elegant, but you can probably make it work. People say there is about 5 seconds latency in the buffering with default settings. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76038 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any Good reason to upgrade from 7.3.3?
bobkoure;518031 Wrote: FWIW, I tried 7.4.0, 7.4.1, had troubles with both (musicip and scanning in 4.0, missing artwork in both), and dropped back to the latest 7.3. More trouble than going from 6.x to 7.x - for -me-. It may go just fine for you. About the only thing I'm doing that might be a bit out of the ordinary is run Win2K server OS (seems to be a bit lighter on resources than 2k3, not using linux as musicip on it was a major PITA). Hardware's a bit lightweight, too (Via C7 / 2G memory). I think the best version of 7.3 you can get is 7.3.4 http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeCenter_v7.3.4/, while the best version of 7.4 is almost invariably the latest nightly of 7.4.2 http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.4 People naturally want the fully QA's version, but IMO that is a poor trade off against actually having some more bugs squashed. It's nice to have choices, though. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sound quality dramatically improved by removing iTunes and switching to FLAC
macsband;515528 Wrote: My intention was not to improve sound quality because the literature states that lossless = lossless. I did not anticipate a change in sound quality. My intention was to get away from Apple's proprietary way of doing business. However several people have listened to the system before and after. The difference is not subtle; it's so dramatic that everyone immediately commented, even before they knew that I had made any change to the system. SqueezeBox Server Version 7.4.1 Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (updates current) Player Audio Bitrate Limiting = No Limit I re-ripped several CDs (classical and pop) and played the same track in different versions: the ALC version, the converted FLAC version, and the ripped FLAC version. There was a dramatic audible difference between the ALC and both FLAC versions. There was no audible difference between either FLAC version. Is there any possibility that your ALAC rips were not truly ALAC encoded? I ask because both ALAC and AAC encodings go in the same .m4a container and it is possible to confuse the two. If you had converted your files directly from ALAC to FLAC using dBpoweramp and gained sound quality from doing so, I'd have ruled out the mis-encoding question above, but you mention re-ripping so I have to ask... Next, if you have two encodings of the same file, one of which sounds mediocre and the sounds good, then try listening to them both in another player with some good headphones. You have MediaMonkey installed, IIRC. There is a chance that Replaygain or Soundcheck settings somehow are in play here. If they still sound different in a software player, then I'd suspect the the encoding is wrong. If they only sound different when played back through a SqueezeBox system, I might begin to suspect the transcoding s/w binaries are not working as they should (but it's odd that others haven't noticed this). -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75064 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Television manufacturer Vizio adding streaming music
mortslim;515383 Wrote: Actually you don't have to leave your TV on just to listen to audio from an attached box. I have the audio outs of my cable TV box and my AppleTV routed to my stereo receiver and only the video cables are connected to the TV. That way the TV can stay off and I get higher fidelity audio at the same time. You don't need the TV on for the audio routing in most cases, but to get any kind of UI (to see what's now playing, enjoy album artwork etc.) some of us may be inclined to keep it on. It's also a bit awkward to Love or Ban tracks if you've switched the TV monitor off, for example. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75063 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Television manufacturer Vizio adding streaming music
mortslim;515359 Wrote: Vizio has announced that their new tv's will have streaming music (RadioTime, Pandora and Rhapsody and maybe other services). I still like my squeezeboxes with Rhapsody because more flexible as to their placement compared to tv's and cheaper too. But still, it is interesting how streaming music is becoming an everywhere thing. I may already have too much music ! I remember when the only music available was AM radio and vinyl records. I noticed a lot of devices are doing this; my $99 Roku box has Pandora and MediaFly on it, which is fine if I want to leave my 40 LCD TV on just to stream music. A lot of multi-media boxes, also do music, but not very well. For example, I had a Western Digital TV box that played flac and ogg, but sold it when I found out it didn't even manage gapless album playback. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75063 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sound quality dramatically improved by removing iTunes and switching to FLAC
If the change was as dramatic as you describe, then I can only imagine a bad ALAC binary or misconfiguration of the file conversion pipe was to blame. I assume you didn't re-rip your CDs? If not, you've just pre-converted the files off-line instead of having them converted on the fly. The results should certainly be the same either way! Would you mind stating your SBS version and OS platform it is running on? -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75064 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng on iPad - How should it look like?
Although there are a ton of things you could do, I would keeping to the basic UI design you already have but with the swipe-away screens kept visible in separate panels (especially the track progress toaster and the playlist). I am less sure about keeping the devices/servers/sync groups screen visible but I would consider it for landscape mode. On the other hand, to avoid clutter and accidental key presses you might want to keep it as a swipe-on screen. Obviously, you would want to scale the various panels appropriately, and give suitable room for album artwork. The only thing I would like is for is for the album browsing screen to use the screen real estate to show a *large* grid of album covers. I'd like to see at least 24 album covers at once. It will be best if 100% of the screen is used for a cover art grid when you are browsing for an album to play. Otherwise keep to at least 2/3 of the screen in landscape mode for the album art grid and allow drag-and-drop of an album onto the playlist window taking up the other 1/3 of the space. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74581 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Classic Dented Box
lynnvin;512023 Wrote: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/promotional_items/devices/6408cl=us,enci=0 Should I take the plunge or wait for the Touch? Honestly, at that price I'd grab one. If after half a year you were to upgrade to a Touch, I bet you could sell it for what you'd be paying for it now. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Thanks to whoever did that. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
It seems to me that a new user of SBS is asked to agree to the license terms before he may download the SBS software, but the only way to see the license terms is to have first downloaded it (and thereby agreed to the terms). Is there some well-hidden link on http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download that would let a user know what he is agreeing to? -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15009 Seems it was reported in early November 2009. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple Lossless - AIFF ... gotchas?
There don't seem to be any bugs open at the moment that match your issue. What happens when you disable native playback of AIFF and thereby force transcoding to FLAC? Have you tried the 7.4.2 nightly? There could have been a fix that had the side-effect of fixing your issue. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69800 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
Much as I appreciate your free spirit, I think you're gonna have to put the license terms somewhere prominent before the user commits the act of installing the software. The GPL2 calls for conspicuously and appropriately displaying an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty. Having to dig around in the install directory for some text file may not qualify. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
snarlydwarf;509809 Wrote: Someone should tell the folks at Debian that... since I don't get any notice of licensing when apt-get installs something. A 'click this to agree' on downloads is meaningless when you can navigate to http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ and not get such a thing. I guess it is a fair assumption that if you have root access at a Bash shell prompt in Debian you already know what GPL is about and what rights and responsibilities you have under it. You're in a fully GNU/Linux environment after all. But, you know, I really don't which way it gets fixed -- kill the stupid button or put a link to the license terms -- either way is fine with me. What looks bad is that the first encounter a new user has with SqueezeBox Server is being asked to agree to terms he may not see. Basically, he must work around a Logitech bug before he even gets to download the software! -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DTS 5.1 FLACs
adbrown;508379 Wrote: I recently set up a 5.1 system and had been collecting and listening to DTS 5.1 live concert recordings in FLAC format for about three weeks with great results. Today, I tried playing one of these FLAC shows and got nothing but static and no indication on my receiver that the Squeezebox was sending it a DTS signal. I then tried all of my other DTS 5.1 FLAC files and it was the same thing. I have all of the proper equipment and have the Squeezebox connected to my receiver with an optical cable. As I said, everything worked great until today. Anybody have any idea what could have happened? I guess it's possible that the FLACs are corrupted or something, but it seems odd that every single one would be rendered unplayable out of the blue. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'd rather not have to re-download all of these files again, although it that's what it takes, I guess it's what I'll have to do. At risk of being too simple, you did double check that the digital volume control is at 100%. Best to disable it for this kind of application, but you may have accidentally adjusted it at some point. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74284 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Breaking News - TomTom To Sue Logitech
I agree with the positives mentioned above and would add that the current nightlies of SBS are looking very good, which is an encouraging sign for the future. I am running 7.4.2 from the nighlies on one server and 7.5 on another. The former is as robust and functional as I could possibly desire and the most recommendable version out today, while 7.5 is working very well for me too. My feeling is that the Touch will be an excellent product, and will not be undermined by software that supports it. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74057 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bad Omen?
cliveb;507005 Wrote: Most of the posts in this thread discussing how the Transporter might evolve seem to be concentrating on the user interface aspects. I feel this is missing the point. The core things that distinguish the Transporter are not the dual displays, Transnav knob, 19 form factor, or possibly even the DAC. What really sets it apart are the connectivity options and superb quality balanced analogue output. A lot of people now use small WiFi devices (Controller, iPeng, etc) rather than the IR remote, so there is no need for the TP itself to even be visible. The TP's motherboard could be repackaged in a much simpler case without the displays, knob or buttons. In that configuration it would be a sort of audiophile version of the Duet's Receiver. Losing the VFD displays and Transnav knob would save a lot on the BOM, and there's virtually zero development work required - the motherboard design is already done. If Logitech aren't interested, then they could try to OEM the motherboard to other small specialist outfits. +1 here. Low development costs and high margin per unit sold for Logitech. A lower cost, but fully credentialed Hi-Fi music player for the rest of us. But would the official remote for such a device have to be the existing SBC? You can't propose a displayless Transporter that needs Net::UDAP and iPeng to make it work, so something official would need to be done. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74040 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bad Omen?
funkstar;507088 Wrote: This would mean another player based round the aging IP3K platform. Not going to happen. There is no future for the existing SB3/transporter platform. the developers have maxed out the memory and processor power, to move forward something new is needed, that something is SqueezeOS in the Radio and Touch. You are right. I was going to suggest making an upgrade to the IP7k series of multimedia processors, with 550MHz and 240k on-chip SRAM, but this wouldn't make sense for Logitech. Much better to make a clean break to the new ARM-based platforms. Regards, --dsdreamer -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74040 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Scans seem slow? web, SBC ui slow? how to make them faster! vote for this bug!
Sorry, I lost my before log, but it was a total of 8 minutes and 20 seconds. The following is my new timing: Code: Library Statistics Total Tracks: 7,084 Total Albums: 500 Total Artists: 491 Total Genres: 55 Total Playing Time: 552:49:02 Music Scan Details Directory Scan (7084 of 7084) Complete 00:02:30 Playlist Scan (2 of 2) Complete 00:00:00 Merge Various Artists (455 of 455) Complete 00:00:08 Artwork Scan (500 of 500) Complete 00:02:08 The server has finished scanning your music collection. Total Time: 00:04:46 (Friday, January 1, 2010 / 10:17 AM) The web UI is noticeably faster, and even manipulation of long play lists has become practical for the first time. Running Windows Vista 64-bit on a Core-2 Duo 2.8GHz CPU with 4 GB RAM installed. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FATAL: There is already another copy of the SqueezeboxServer running on this machine
You have done all the obvious things and them some. My suggestion would be to work on the theory that some other program has opened a critical port that SBS needs. running Code: netstat -ab from a cmd shell can give you additional clues about what programs are opening which ports on the machine. I would be interested in how that looks when all the Squeeze related stuff is uninstalled, and again when installed. Take a closer a look at any processes that have ports open that you don't recognize. I would further suggest running MSCONFIG and running a diagnostic startup with as few startup items and services running as possible. Does this make SBS installation possible? Take a good look at the list of installed programs, are then any additional security related apps still lurking? (prevx, spybot SD, etc?) Are there any resident portions of such programs still lurking after an uninstall (immunize, tea timer etc)? -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73376 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FATAL: There is already another copy of the SqueezeboxServerrunning on this machine
Tom, I looked at the outputs of netstat that you posted. I notice that the name of the server executable was SqueezeboxServer-7.4.1.tmp, which I think is a symptom of being stuck half way through an installation. I also noticed that lsass.exe had attempted 3 connections to the MySQL port of 9092 and also had one connection attempt to nat.dc.squeezenetwork.com:3483. This could be normal behavior. You might try creating a new user with Admin privileges and try the install logged in as that user. Also, consider finding and removing any detritus left behind by previous install attempts (even though you expect REVO to work perfectly), and especially make sure that the MySQL cache is really gone. Finally, try using a non-default location for a new install attempt when you get to the Select Destination Location screen. (Frankly, you are probably smarter at this kind of thing than I am, but I am doing my best to help.) -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos marketing? What does this mean?
usch;499517 Wrote: Basically that's how it works, yes. The amplifier outputs an oversampled, pulse width modulated, digital signal, which is then fed directly to the speakers through a low pass filter that eliminates the clock frequency. It's the same principle that is also used in switching power supplies, except that a power supply is designed to deliver a constant voltage, while a D-amp is designed to deliver audio signals. The advantages are that such an amplifier has a very high power efficiency factor, and that you don't have a traditional DAC that might theoretically cause nonlinearities. The disadvantages are that you need an extremely stable power source because every hum, ripple, noise, or voltage drop is immediately superimposed on the output signal, and that a switching amplifier creates HF noise similar to a switching power supply. I've no idea if Sonos uses them, but as an example of the kind of signal path that could be all digital consider the following: http://www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com/en/solutions/mobile/mobilesound3/ (The above is underpowered, for the Sonos application but the concept still stands.) -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73069 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Poll: Do you have a Dual-Band Airport?
Normally, I also use Airport Express units at each of 3 SB locations, so that would not count as a test. But if you need me to try an experiment and let the Squeezeboxen speak WiFi for themselves, I am up for it. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69505 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SBR won't turn white when computer turns back on
Hokie02;469308 Wrote: I just set up my SBR with UDAP and everything works fine except for one issue. When I reboot my computer or just turn it back on the SBR gets stuck on blue and won't go to white. I can fix it by unplugging and replugging the SBR with the computer on but this has to be done every time. Anything that could be causing this or anything I need to be setting differently in UDAP? Your experience is the same as mine and many posters in these forums. The only cure I can find is to use static IP addresses instead of DHCP. Use lan_ip_mode=0 and set up the networking addresses to suit your network. E.g., Code: lan_ip_mode=0 lan_gateway=192.168.1.1 lan_network_address=192.168.1.10 lan_subnet_mask=255.255.255.0 primary_dns=192.168.1.1 You will need to figure what are suitable IP addresses and subnet masks for your particular network; the above is _only_ an example. Hope that helps -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69431 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SBR won't turn white when computer turns back on
Hokie02;469370 Wrote: I think I got this fixed. I read through some other posts and I changed my lan_network_address from 0.0.0.0 to 192.168.1.99 as suggested in another posts and it now works!!! I didn't mean to suggest that your public IP address needed to be static, but on your private LAN/WLAN that benefits from Network Address Translation to give you a range of IP addresses to use for your devices, the assigned IP address to the SBR needs to be static. lan_network_address=192.168.1.99 seems like a static IP address in the sense I was trying to suggest. Can you confirm the value of lan_ip_mode you are now using? Thx. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69431 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] new website - please get rid of then annoying need help? talking cartoon
Ikabob;465927 Wrote: Lighten up, I think she' s cute. The proof of the pudding is whether she drives down sales of SB products. I would expect this to be the case, but since so many other things are changing at the moment, it will be hard to isolate Codebaby's contribution to the public perception of this product line. Hopefully, someone gathers statistics on the average time to dismiss her when she pops up. The usability of any company's website is the public's first impression of the likely usability of its products. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68958 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] iPeng 1.2 for iPhone now on the AppStore
Pippin, Does iPeng 1.2 require 7.4? If I upgrade my iPOD touch to iPeng 1.2, will I be able to use it without also upgrading my SC software? Assuming it fails, does it fail gracefully with 7.3.4? -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68698 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is the latest 7.4 beta close enough?
pippin;462122 Wrote: Actually, I find this one confusing. How are SqueezeNetwork users required to upgrade to 7.4? You don't need SBS at all, if you use SN, don't you? So what exactly is it 7.4 is required for? If you just use SN, you need the client f/w associated with 7.4 but not the SBS itself. If you use both SN and SBS, you will need 7.4 to prevent the firmware repeatedly reflashing itself; such behavior is strictly forbidden in our house ;-) -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68351 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 802.11n technology
tedfroop;460987 Wrote: The whole thing comes down to this - upgrades to wireless will require: a. All new firmware. (That stuff is not in the public domain so there is no linux wizz kid hacking it) b. An all new wireless receiver - no doubt not an off the shelf part and in all probability a proprietary bus connector and card connector. c. New router hardware for anyone with a draft n router that is not compatible. You want to do all that to carry a stream that will fit in 802.11b bandwidth with room to spare. You're right about the bandwidth issue, but that is not the point. I think it is time to recognize that 2.4GHz is not fit for reliable streaming and it's only going to get worse over time. If you accept that, your only other option is 5GHz, and the only way to make 5GHz viable for whole home coverage is to use 802.11n. On the other hand, revisiting old product lines is not likey to be sustainable, as the costs of doing so outweight the benefits from a commercial point of view. It's real pity the current batch of new products didn't anticipate 802.11n becoming official. My own solution is to pair each of my wireless SB clients with an Apple Airport Express, which adds about $100 per node. This may not be elegant, but it does give me the choice of Airtunes and Slimproto at the flick of a switch (my kids all use iTunes and sometimes want to play their music on a nice system). Doing this has removed the problem of overcrowded 2.4GHz spectrum, since there are plent of unused channels at 5GHz. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67882 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 802.11n technology
pfarrell;461054 Wrote: dsdreamer wrote: It's real pity the current batch of new products didn't anticipate 802.11n becoming official. What bull. The products were in manufacturing before the 802.11n spec was official. Its impossible without a time travel machine to anticipate it, as the spec was going to be approved RSN for nearly eight years. I didn't expect to see IEEE 802.11n _compliant_ product at this time, but I look at what other companies are delivering in the 802.11n space. http://www.wi-fi.org/search_products.php?search=1advanced=1lang=enfilter_company_id=filter_category_id=filter_subcategory=filter_cid=date_from=date_to=x=30y=18selected_certifications%5B%5D=33 It is the WiFi Alliance that provides certification tests that help ensure interoperability. So there has been a market for WiFi certified 802.11n draft 2 products for several years. Logitech's SMBU decided not to play, that's all. My idea of anticipating 802.11n would have been to release WiFi certified .11n draft 2 now, and take the same ride as the rest of the industy is towards full IEEE .11n compliance. funkstar;461056 Wrote: Yes, eventually new players will come along with N wireless, just don't expect them soon. And don't criticise the developers for it not being in a product that is launching around the time of the final ratified standard (the standard may be official, but the full spec hasn't been published yet, that will happen sometime in October). Please understand: I am not criticising the devlopers, I simply stated that I think it is a pity. Yes, I do think it was a bad decision. You are entitled to differ and the market will ultimately decide. That's what I love about captialism! -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67882 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 802.11n technology
pfarrell;461068 Wrote: Anyway, the managers decided (not the developers who you are slagging) that they would wait, and did. None of your whining will change that. Please understand: I am not criticising the devlopers, Again, bull. You are, and if anything, its the PHB not the engineers who should be your targets. Good day, sir. ..how anything I have said in this thread could be interpreted as slagging developers. Seriously! Please, check carefully and let me know, because as far as I can tell there is not a single noun or pronoun in my posts that expresses or implies developers as being to blame for this strategic decision. And if you can show different, I will certainly appologize. Best regards, -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67882 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 802.11n technology
Ikabob;461126 Wrote: Can someone tell me how any of this will affect a new Squeezebox Boom and SB3 owner...in Squeezebox for Dummies language? Thank you. Will it change the great fidelity and awesome features that I am enjoying now? I hope not. Existing products that are working well now, will very likely continue to do so in the future (unless your immediate neighbors install _new_ wireless access points that start to cause interference with yours). My argument has been that in densely populated locations, there is a risk of running out of WiFi channels to use (there are only 3 such channels that don't overlap). If this is not a problem for you now, don't worry about it! However, if you start to see unreliable streaming, one possible cause is having nearby neighbors that use the same WiFi channel as you do. Hope that helps. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67882 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Will I add jitter by using an external USB hard drive
funkstar;459635 Wrote: This is correct. The -only- place jitter can occur is between the player and the stereo, nothing before, (from the hard drive, to the PC, to the network to the player) can introduce or have an effect on jitter . It is true that nothing can add jitter before the player, but once a signal is in the analog domain, jitter (i.e., rapid variation of group delay in the audio band) is hard to introduce in reasonbly designed, linear circuits operating with well-regulated power supply rails. The place where jitter is most likely to be introduced is at the point where digital samples are converted to analog i.e., in the DAC. Any modulation of the effective DAC clock signal edge transitions will have the effect of causing phase/frequency modulation of the every sinewave that comprises the overall music signal. Code: V(k) = A0*sin(2*pi*f0*k*(T+dTJ(k))) V(k) is the kth sample of a sinewave of nominal frequency f0 to be reproduced, from T-spaced PCM samples, where the time between samples (typically 1/44100 seconds) is modulated by some time-variant jitter represented by dTJ. The equivalece to an FM waveform can be seen by rewriting the equation as follows: Code: V(k) = A0*sin(2*pi*k*T*(f0+f0*dTJ(k)/T))) dTJ(k) can be deterministic in nature (e.g. a 60Hz sinewave due to imperfect power supply regulation), data related (different bit patterns cause the clock edge to be early or late to different degrees) or random (residual phase noise on the clock signal) or a combination of all three. I am not going to get into the religious/tribal invective about how much jitter matters. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68018 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 802.11n technology
I see lots of people agreeing with each other that 'N' is unnecessary for music, which it certainly is from a bandwidth point of view. But in many dense urban areas, the whole 2.4GHz band is pretty much unusable! Everyone seems to have a wireless router, usually on a fixed, but randomly chosen channel clashing with 2-3 other wireless routers. Since .11g is by definition used only in the 2.4GHz band, your two viable choices are good ol' .11a (with its limited range) and .11n used in the 5GHz band (which recovers most of the range loss using diversity techniques). I also don't get why using a .11n router with .11g equipment can be expected to yield a performance gain (even though Sean used to say the same thing). In this scenario, the .11g station has just one antenna and the .11n AP has two or three. Unless the AP can transmit using more than one antenna in .11g mode, there should be no performance gain on the link from the AP to the station compared to a pure .11g configuration. As far as I know, an 802.11n AP can only use selection diversity on transmit when talking to a .11g station, but could benefit from maximal ratio combining (MRC) diversity in receive mode. Since the improvement can only be had when the .11n AP is in receive mode, the same weak link in the chain remains when the .11n AP is talking to the .11g station, which is the main mode needed for transmitting music from a wired central server out to various Squeezebox stations. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67882 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where's Dean?
Dean, Glad you are willing to stick the forums and to continue the great tradition of share and enjoy. ^H^H^H^H^H^H, I mean Free your music! -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67325 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Local Radio Station not Playing
Corndog;452941 Wrote: Must be some kind of config issue on my end then. Is there a log file or something like that I can purge that might help? If you're using 7.3.3 you might want to try 7.3.4. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] couldn't resolve ip address for
grimholtz;452294 Wrote: Hi, I just connected a SqueezeBox Boom to my wireless network. I now have 3 SqueezeBoxes on this network. I can no longer play any internet radio. Music stored on my local network plays fine. The error I get is Couldn't resolve ip address for: x where xx is, for example, opml.radiotime.com. This value changes depending on the podcast or internet source to which I try to connect. For example, the error when I try one of my Pandora radio stations is Couldn't resolve ip address for: www.squeezenetwork.com DNS on the network is through the wifi router. My wireless PCs/laptops all seem to work fine; it's only the Squeezeboxes/Boom that have the problem. What's wrong?? thanks, grimholtz A fix is known an implemented in 7.3.4. I makes me pretty mad the Logitech won't release 7.3.4 as an official release. But what can I do? My suggestion is to grab the 7.3.4 nightly and install that in place of 7.3.3. http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.3 This happens because 7.3.3 tests and eliminates DNS server addresses before the network is really ready, which causes it to consider them broken and eliminate them. As a result you can easily end up w/o any viable DNS servers to SC to use. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67108 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best of Luck - moving on...
froth;451940 Wrote: But in reality, if one wanted to really get the mass numbers of people using this system some packaging needs to be done. Here are my thoughts. - SqueezeCenter Server (HW with SW preloaded and configured) - Easy to use Ripping and Tagging pre installed - Packaged Wifi Router Option - Pre Installation check list including ways to test wifi signal strength before trying to get things to work. - Good and easy to use trouble shooting tools - Logitech to purchase iPeng, rebrand and own to insure long term support and new feature offerings. - Consider dropping Controller or doing some redesign to the HW. Very good suggestions, to which I would add detection and warning during installation of AntiVirus installations that would potentially squelch MySQL transactions. mbonsack;451942 Wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Implement N in the product and I'll bet 90% of this duet/rebuffering/etc. crap goes away and stability goes through the roof. How many folks do we have complaining about wired setups? Wireless N will get you that much closer to what the wired folks are experiencing. I'm not saying that N will fix the bugs, only mask them. But that's good enough for the wife in the kitchen... Fully agree with that. I think that we may be victims of an over-zealous Open standards ideology among the original SD founders and principals. I can sympathize with the principle of it; but at some point pragmatism should come into play and eventually put the customer experience as a higher priority than ideology. regalma1;451949 Wrote: It is still a problem child. I think that Slim Devices may be too hardware oriented and too techy. [snip] Any product that is defined by engineers and whose final form and function is controlled by engineers will fail to be acceptable to consumers. That is a bit of an absolute on my part, but I truly believe it. By the way, I am an engineer. In another thread I tried to suggest a role for a Director of User Experience to be the voice of the customer. I guess that mainly produced giggles at the pomposity of such a title, but that reaction missed the point. In general, it is difficult for an engineering-led company (the original SD startup) to morph into a customer focused organization. Efforts are clearly underway, but may be too little too late. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67040 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best of Luck - moving on...
egd;451822 Wrote: I should have mentioned, forget about wireless, it's the surest way to ensuring you're going to get pissed off at some point. Sounds like you could use some kind of mesh network to increase robustness. Perhaps throw in a little MIMO technology to make it even more robust and far-reaching. Something like -damager- just installed, perhaps? Sorry, normal SqueezeBox enthusiasm will be resumed as soon as possible. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67040 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
HydeTheDarkerSide;450682 Wrote: Hi I'm having buffering problems with the UK wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk BBC radio streams, all my FLAC CD rips play just fine. If you have any kind of PC or Mac that can play the same streams through the same network equipment as you are using for the Duet, then please check that these are not also stuttering/rebuffering as well. If you report reliable playback of these same streams in the same network environment when bypassing the SqueezeCenter and its associated Logitech hardware, it would -then- make sense to focus on SqueezeCenter logs and the like. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Excellent aspiration. Very hard to do. I noticed thet Sonos has a Design Director for User Experience in the recent demo video they posted: http://www.sonos.com/demo/demo.aspx Does Logitech SMBU have an equivalent role? -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
mherger;450446 Wrote: Hehe... titles, names... Juliet: What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet. So... our man's called Senior User Interface Designer -- Michael Well not much is in a name, but the overall user experience goes well beyond the UI. And being a -director- of that overall user experience would allow someone to call the shots across a cross-functional team and to be the voice of the customer as regards things like delivered quality, user support experience, out-of-box experience, etc, etc, which is not quite what a senior UI designer would normally get to do. Someone thinking holistically about the complete delivered user experience including, but not limited to UI, in other words. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
There is plenty of room in the market between $100 Airport Express clients used as Airtunes endpoints, and a Sonus or even Meridian/Soloos system if it comes to high end. The positioning of Logitech / Slim products is fine by me in terms of price point. What is less clear to me is whether this line of products can acquire the ease of use and robustness needed to make this, a fun product for the average public school teacher to own. It's fine to aim at professionals, but it would be great if the majority of enthusiastic owners were not necessarily -engineering- professionals. It's interesting how the Open model of software development gives users the feeling of being somehow part owners of the company, even expecting they can influence strategy and company culture with nothing more than a well-crafted forum posting! There's plenty of things I wish were different about the way these guys develop and release software, starting with making them all take the Hippocratic oath to first, do no harm. In other words, thou shalt not regress the codebase. But then I have to remember it's not my company, I will not be held accountable for what is released. It's not my problem. Now back to the music... -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Receiver automatically connecting to SC
Mnyb;450021 Wrote: In my system i have fixed ip's for both the server and recieiver if that any difference, and also the server adress hacked in with udap setup. Yes, it makes a big difference if you have fixed IP addresses. If the OP had used fixed IP addressing, he would not have this issue, (or least that's what I found with my SBRs). -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66823 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] synchronization problems - and getting worse
dcote;448849 Wrote: news: after a 1/2 day's battle, i managed to do a clean re-install of SSOTS and SC. now i am running SSOTS 3.18 (after discovering that the 3.17 provided by qnap is broken) and SC 7.3.3. indeed, sync is greatly improved! :-) however, after two hours of synced playing, there still were two instances where sync broke on a vorbis file. and again, it came back as soon as an MP3 file came up. i didnt even need to do anything about it... strange. as if SC sometimes forgets to keep sync when playing a vorbis file and suddenly remembers when an MP3 comes up. Probably the least CPU-intensive think you can try is Ogg/vorbis - Wav. This avoids having to do simultaneous decoding and encoding. You say you have plenty of bandwidth and Wave files are constant bit rate (CBR), which may just possibly help with synchronization. I was wondering whether CBR vs. VBR had anything to do with this issue? Vorbis is inherently a VBR codec, so there is a small probability that this issue occurs when Slimproto uses the average bit rate to determine how many samples to skip and gets it wrong. Do the MP3 files that seem to reset the synch issue have CBR encoding, by the way? I would also mention that your original bug report is valid. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65870 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox3 slow response
Good info about CPU C-States here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611 -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53686 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] synchronization problems - and getting worse
dcote;447852 Wrote: my vorbis is playing native. when you say recently, you mean like for the last three years now, right? ;-) at least, thats how long i have been playing vorbis natively. the qnap probably has enough power to transcode vorbis, but according to logitech's specs of the SB, that should not be necessary and it is supported natively. which is why i bought the SBs in the first place. ;-) https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4418 and https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7857 Also see the change log for 7.3.3 http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/slim/7.3/trunk/server/Changelog7.html So if you've been playing vorbis files natively for years without trouble, I don't know how you did it! Anyway, if you have the flexibility to transcode or not, it might be instructive to see if it makes a difference. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65870 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] synchronization problems - and getting worse
dcote;447826 Wrote: to make sync break BOTH the following conditions must be met: A. i am using the _remote_ to skip tracks, scan tracks or load playlists B. i am playing or trying to play a _vorbis_ file, or the first file of a playlist is a vorbis file. Vorbis decoding on the Squeezebox was not working until quite recently, and so most people had to use transcoding on the SC to get it to function. Are you still doing that? If so, switch to native. And if you are already using the native Vorbis decoder on the SB, switch to having it transcoded if the QNAP has sufficient CPU power to do it. I admire the systematic troubleshooting you did. Such information would be excellent input to a new bug report (hint, hint). Best regards, -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65870 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
