Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
w3wilkes wrote: > but the one hit wonders don't seem to have that formula for longevity > that we saw in the 60's. You really first know that after 10-20 year .. Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: Receiver - S.M.S.L DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Office: Transporter, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming. http://www.last.fm/user/callesoroe callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
One of the things I look for is bands that are capable of doing whole albums like "Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit". I know we had the "one hit wonders" like "J. Frank Wilson and the Cavaliers", but the one hit wonders don't seem to have that formula for longevity that we saw in the 60's. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
I disagree. The advent of CDs and now streamed albums has brought more tracks per media format than before. Yes there a single track releases but more EPs and albums? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
toby10 wrote: > Indeed. You could also bring back cassettes, 8-tracks, HD-DVD, beta > max/VHS, etc Overtime, I expect to see the end of the album as a concept, and thats more worrying. As streaming services become more embedded and a way for the media giants to maintain a profitable lock on the industry, I'd expect them to start only releasing tracks via streaming services. While that might be good for streaming receivers, over time those to will become only the linked to the same streaming services, it's just a question of time for this to play out. There are two many big companies with deep pockets and time to play the long game. We are already light years from the days of MusicMatch and local MP3, through Napster and on. How long before home speaker devices will be amazon, google, apple and a few others, with exclusive rights to specific stream services? The new "cable tv". --- http://markcathcart.com/about Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, currently 7.9.1; Transporter(Living Room)+Duet Controller; Squeezebox Touch(Master Bedroom), (2x)Boom(Office, Patio), Radio(Guest Bedroom), Classic(garage), Duet(basement) Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 10. Use Orange Squeeze app on Android. cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
earthbased wrote: > Everything has a price. Indeed. You could also bring back cassettes, 8-tracks, HD-DVD, beta max/VHS, etc Is there a (albeit small) market for them? Sure. But when your competition for the above is CDs & downloads, Bluetooth & WiFi, streaming, Blu-ray, DVD .. why would you? Then try getting investors interested in the same. Try convincing investors to poor cash into a business model that is a small niche market, was a failed investment by a multi-billion dollar mass marketing behemoth (Logitech), is tied to a free community supported server program, your competition is Google/Android & Apple & Amazon, in a market where multiple other companies large and small failed . And where another form of competition is a sub $100 Pi or micro computer DIY project, or a smartphone/Android device . Its an uphill battle for a very niche market. Just last year Sonos laid off employees and its CEO co-founder stepped down for most of the same reasons above. Im one of the few niche customers who would actually buy a resurrected SB device, Im not against it. But Im also not foolish enough to invest in such a venture. :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I think that Logitech has stopped selling its AirPlay speaker. So does this mean that it does not have any speakers with TCP/IP in them any more? Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Well, Porsche, to begin with, already no longer exists (as a company making cars) today... --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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earthbased wrote: > Porsche should shut down immediately! Porsche and all other auto manufacturers will look much different in the near future (and some will not exist). Younger people are no longer interested in owning cars or the driving experience. They are very happy with mass transportation, uber and lyft. And when driverless, electric "ubers" are available (which is around the corner in many large cities), there will be even less interest in owning a car. I was waiting at the driver's license bureau the morning I turned 16 to get my license. A car meant freedom. I know plenty of twenty-somethings that haven't even bothered to learn to drive. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: > I know . Working in a multinational myself :) the top floor does not > really know what to do with smaller products even if they work well in > their niche's and even turn a small profit with reasonable margin . > They just cant fit it into both bussines model and organisation . The big mistake most make is focusing on sales, sales, sales, Many small to medium size companies have focused on profit and cultivated a market that is viable by serving a customer segment that likes quality and service. Using the logic of "cloud and only cloud" Porsche should shut down immediately! earthbased's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10 wrote: > This has been discussed in here for years, over and over. It will never > happen. It will never be resurrected, nor sold, nor licensed to a third > party, etc.. > It's dead as a viable consumer product offering. Everything has a price. earthbased's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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FredFredrickson wrote: > Who thinks Logitech should resurrect the brand and start selling > squeezeboxen again? I do! I would also hope for different brands, with different quality, audiophile and price ranges, and different solutions, with everything from full players like the boom and radio, Touch-/Receiver-clones with or without amps, different stand-alone speakers, modules included with receivers/amplifiers/DACs, built-in solutions etc. I still don't get it or want to get it... ;-) Vegard Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cathcam wrote: > Anyone else notice the similarity between the Duet+controller and the > Harmony Pro and the Home Hub... > https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/harmony-pro?crid=60 > > I wonder if you could use the Harmony Pro as a remote to control a > player or LMS? Yes, it works. I was able to set up my Harmony display to list the six presets with custom labels - mostly Napster channels. This lets me turn on and play music without having to look away from the remote. DrewSB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=26817 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cathcam wrote: > I wonder if you could use the Harmony Pro as a remote to control a > player or LMS? . . The Harmony Pro will control most if not ALL Slim Devices that use IR Remote. The Duet IE Receiver/Controller are RF Controlled devices so the Harmony Pro doesn't work with them. *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: SB Touch, USB drive Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Apesbrain wrote: > I use a Harmony 650 to control a Touch.Via infrared presumably. It would be > interesting to know if there are vestiges of the LMS cli over Ethernet, is the point of the original question if I read it right. Personally I very very much doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Harmony devices were evolution of the Controller hardware and OS stack. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cathcam wrote: > I wonder if you could use the Harmony Pro as a remote to control a > player or LMS? I use a Harmony 650 to control a Touch. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > These last few posts are talking about SONOS, not Sonore. Many (all?) > Sonore products already work with LMS, as they include Squeezelite. Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. andifor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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drmatt wrote: > In broad sweeping terms only.. a lot of time has passed. I've no doubt > the hub has a huge amount more power and features compared to the > duet/receiver. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- That looks right to me. Another Logitech acquisition (2004, for USD 29m). And still in production! BirdInitials's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64924 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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In broad sweeping terms only.. a lot of time has passed. I've no doubt the hub has a huge amount more power and features compared to the duet/receiver. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Anyone else notice the similarity between the Duet+controller and the Harmony Pro and the Home Hub... https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/harmony-pro?crid=60 I wonder if you could use the Harmony Pro as a remote to control a player or LMS? --- http://markcathcart.com/about Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, currently 7.9.0; Transporter(Living Room)+Duet Controller; Squeezebox Touch(Master Bedroom), (2x)Boom(Office, Patio), Radio(Guest Bedroom), Classic(garage). Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 10. Use Squeeze Ctrl app on Android. cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ikabob wrote: > I just had an idea that might bring SB owners back into the market > place. I haven't read all the posts on this thread so someone may have > alluded to something like this. But, what if SONOS made their devices > compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I would be very inclined to buy SONOS > products to add to my SB ecosystem. It might be a profitable venture for > SONOS. Probably not. Even if it was just a software update it would take a team of 4-6 people including a PM, test, docs etc. You are looking at over half a million dollars just for 6-months work, and that doesn't include shipping and marketing, or ongoing maintenance. To open Sonos up to what maybe an audience of maybe a couple of thousand potential users at most. Of those users, how many would be additional Sonos and how many? I certainly wouldn't be prepared to buy into the Sonos eco-system and would rather spend my money elsewhere. If Sonos were an open platform, it could be done outside of the Sonos company and licensed as an app, or supported by add revenue, but then it would have already been done. You need a business case of 3x the investment minimum to get anything off the ground just to look at what it might cost. 10x is normal. and yes, I used to be an Executive Director and architect/designer for major software orgs... --- http://markcathcart.com/about Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, currently 7.9.0; Transporter(Living Room)+Duet Controller; Squeezebox Touch(Master Bedroom), (2x)Boom(Office, Patio), Radio(Guest Bedroom), Classic(garage). Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 10. Use Squeeze Ctrl app on Android. cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cathcam wrote: > For the most part, all cloud services are the same. Pull you in, lock up > your data, charge to access it, add services to maintain it. Absolutely. Unfortunately most people don't seem to mind these days. > How many companies do you know that offer the right to leave and take > your data with you? Facebook does, but its getting increasingly hard to > do, but yes, they'll zip you entire history/pictures etc. Except anything you posted on somebody else's page or in a group, in which case it can all be gone overnight. > This is the holy grail of the VC backed software startup. Some unique > idea that can lead to huge profits by capturing the users data, either > online or in proprietary file formats on your machine. I bought 3x > copies of Adobe PDF creator over the years, but now can't use them, and > their online service only is way, way too expensive and they don't > provide any reasonable upgrade paths. There are a ton of examples like > this. This is why I run my own servers, and pretty much only use open source software. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > The whole SONOS business idea is based on tying you into a closed > system. For the most part, all cloud services are the same. Pull you in, lock up your data, charge to access it, add services to maintain it. How many companies do you know that offer the right to leave and take your data with you? Facebook does, but its getting increasingly hard to do, but yes, they'll zip you entire history/pictures etc. How many others? This is the holy grail of the VC backed software startup. Some unique idea that can lead to huge profits by capturing the users data, either online or in proprietary file formats on your machine. I bought 3x copies of Adobe PDF creator over the years, but now can't use them, and their online service only is way, way too expensive and they don't provide any reasonable upgrade paths. There are a ton of examples like this. --- http://markcathcart.com/about Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, currently 7.9.0; Transporter(Living Room)+Duet Controller; Squeezebox Touch(Master Bedroom), (2x)Boom(Office, Patio), Radio(Guest Bedroom), Classic(garage). Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 10. Use Squeeze Ctrl app on Android. cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger wrote: > > > IMHO the LMS based product is becoming more and more of a niche product. > > Who does still curate his own music collection? We do, yes. But who > else? The mass market future is in the cloud, like it or not. As you > said: easy to use. And connected. > > -- > > Michael I wrote this yesterday. While I agree that music is moving to the cloud, I do feel that it's time for the pendulum to swing back the other way. Cloud services continue to be increasingly risky from a security perspective. Userid/password management is getting more and more complex and diffuse, and the "ownership" of hardware is becoming increasingly questionable where it uses cloud services. I've had absolutely horrid service from ring.com in the last couple of months. https://cathcam.wordpress.com/2017/09/18/do-you-own-the-device-you-just-bought/ Home automation is so fragmented its hardly worth trying to do anything with. Keeping in the game via some form of hardware player would still be a good idea IMHO. --- http://markcathcart.com/about Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, currently 7.9.0; Transporter(Living Room)+Duet Controller; Squeezebox Touch(Master Bedroom), (2x)Boom(Office, Patio), Radio(Guest Bedroom), Classic(garage). Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 10. Use Squeeze Ctrl app on Android. cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > The whole SONOS business idea is based on tying you into a closed > system. It's not ´fully' closed due to it's upnp support. What is really proprietary is their sync system. There is a last improvement I'm thinking of adding that's to manage the Sonos grouping / ungrouping through LMS. I have an idea how to do that, I'm not sure there is enough interest here LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ikabob wrote: > what if SONOS made their devices compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I > would be very inclined to buy SONOS products to add to my SB ecosystem. > It might be a profitable venture for SONOS. The whole SONOS business idea is based on tying you into a closed system. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andifor wrote: > Mix-up? Sonos and Sonore are not the same company. Only the first 4 > letters are the same. These last few posts are talking about SONOS, not Sonore. Many (all?) Sonore products already work with LMS, as they include Squeezelite. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ikabob wrote: > I just had an idea that might bring SB owners back into the market > place. I haven't read all the posts on this thread so someone may have > alluded to something like this. But, what if SONOS made their devices > compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I would be very inclined to buy SONOS > products to add to my SB ecosystem. It might be a profitable venture for > SONOS. Mix-up? Sonos and Sonore are not the same company. Only the first 4 letters are the same. andifor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: > Just use upnpbridge plugin and Sonos speakers become SB players. good point. Still not sure why I'd spend $300+ for a Sonos speaker to use with LMS, when cheaper/better options are available. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > Their underlying technology is completely different. Why buy SONOS > products to use with other SBs. Just add one of the many inexpensive Pi > microcomputer players to emulate a Squeezebox player. Just use upnpbridge plugin and Sonos speakers become SB players. Touch, Logitech Radio, Logitech UE Radio, O2 Joggler + SqpOS UPnPBridge - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers; Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker; Pioneer WX-SMA1 speaker; - PURE One Flow internet radio: PURE Jongo S3x ; Jongo T2; Libratone Zipp Castbridge - Chromecast 1 + Chromecast Audio AirplayBridge - Loewe Airspeaker SB Player - Fire TV castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ikabob wrote: > I just had an idea that might bring SB owners back into the market > place. I haven't read all the posts on this thread so someone may have > alluded to something like this. But, what if SONOS made their devices > compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I would be very inclined to buy SONOS > products to add to my SB ecosystem. It might be a profitable venture for > SONOS. Their underlying technology is completely different. Why buy SONOS products to use with other SBs. Just add one of the many inexpensive Pi microcomputer players to emulate a Squeezebox player. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I just had an idea that might bring SB owners back into the market place. I haven't read all the posts on this thread so someone may have alluded to something like this. But, what if SONOS made their devices compatible with the Squeezeboxes. I would be very inclined to buy SONOS products to add to my SB ecosystem. It might be a profitable venture for SONOS. Ikabob Squeezebox Touch w/LMS V7.9; Benchmark DAC1 USB;Marantz Pre-amp; SAE Amplifier;ESS Heil Speakers(main listening speakers plus various additional speakers). Multiple players: SqueezeBooms,SqueezeRadios; SB3; Services:Rhapsody;Slacker;RadioTunes;Spotify (+Triode's Plugin);CalmRadio,Napster, Ipeng remote controller. Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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jerrym303 wrote: > My Modwright Transporter has been in a box for six years after moving. > I was thinking it would be hopelessly out of date, but still looks like > it will be useful. I liked the sound. No need to buy a new digital > source for my ripped CD collection when I get the system fired back up. > > I tink that my software is back at Squeezecenter. I don't look forward > to getting the settings right again. . . I haven't had any major issues in over a decade. If you run into something just jump on the Forum ask for help. Many of us still use Squeezebox and LMS everyday, plus we are glad to help. After 12 years of tweaking, LMS is very stable and fairly bug free. And even in the beginning, most of the issues were people that couldn't handle simple instructions or refused to admit they had network issues. Squeezebox has never been a turn it on out of the box product and use it unless one is only going to use Internet Radio. Now of course, once one has LMS up and working, then it is just turn it on and use it for everything Music! *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: SB Touch, USB drive Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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My Modwright Transporter has been in a box for six years after moving. I was thinking it would be hopelessly out of date, but still looks like it will be useful. I liked the sound. No need to buy a new digital source for my ripped CD collection when I get the system fired back up. I tink that my software is back at Squeezecenter. I don't look forward to getting the settings right again. jerrym303's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11978 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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English first En Français en suivant Hello I do not know if logitech is going to do a squeezebox ressurection but if they want they must first look at what did not work in their financial plans. For me it is essentially the complexity of the product. I remember few years ago when I bought my first squeezebox duet and it took a long process to connect the duet to the wifi network and then to the LMS server, in the absence of LMS, even connecting to the server http: // www. mysqueezebox.com/ was complicated. Obviously for me and those who are graduates of the university in the computer science it may seem simple, but for the ordinary people caught in the street it is a little more complicated. And so I see that at the time many buyers of boom and others returned to back the boxes to the stores. So today in my opinion if the market is invaded by Sonos and bluetooth speakers and other devices of poor musical quality it is mainly because the installation is very easy what was missing at the time to squeezebox logitech. Yet the quality of the squeezebox is unparalleled. So what should we do for a resurrection? first look at the environment today. The majority of the homes are equipped with internet box. These boxes whatsoever adsl, fiber or cable have wifi and an hub ethernet with 4 ports (in any case in france all the Internet providers provide a similar box) and also all the homes have a smartphone or a tablet. and also all brands that sell wifi or ethernet equipment have simplified procedures to connect devices to the home network. On the side of the squeezebox the heart of the system remains the LMS to which is associated a network player squeezebox. So it seems possible to provide today one side LMS in black box with the app that goes well to simplify the connection of other side squeezebox network players. In detail I will see a black box with two mirrored harddisks with open source software that makes the LMS all in one, a kind of Nas all in one but that can be hacked anyway. and player side add in these devices a bluetooth connection. == [French] bonjour je ne sais pas si logitech va faire une ressurection des squeezebox mais si ils veulent ils doivent d'abord regarder ce qui n'a pas fonctionné dans leurs plans financiers. Pour moi c'est essentiellement la complexité du produit. je me souviens lorsque j'ai acheté ma première squeezebox duet il fallait au cours d'un long processus connecter la duet au réseau wifi puis au serveur LMS, en l'absence de LMS, même la connexion au serveur http://www.mysqueezebox.com/ était compliqué. Evidemment pour moi et ceux qui sont diplomés de l'université dans l'informatique ça peut paraître simple, mais pour les gens lambda pris dans la rue c'est un peu plus compliqué. Et je vois donc bien qu'à l'époque beaucoup d'acheteurs des boom et autres ont retourné rendre les box aux magasins. Donc aujourd'hui à mon avis si le marché est envahi de Sonos et d'enceintes bluetooth et autres appareils de piètre quaité musicale c'est essentiellement parce ce que l'installation est très facile ce qui manquait à l'époque aux squeezebox logitech. Pourtant la qualité des squeezebox est sans pareil. Alors que faut-il faire pour une ressurection ? en premier regarder l'environnement d'aujourd'hui. La majorité des foyers sont équipés de box internet. Ces box qu'elles soient adsl, fibre ou câble ont le wifi et un hub ethernet avec 4 ports (en tout cas en france tous les fournisseurs internet fournissent une box similaire) et aussi tous les foyers ont un smartphone ou une tablette. et aussi toutes les marques qui vendent des équipements wifi ou ethernet ont des procédures simplifiées pour connecter les appareils au réseau du domicile. Du coté des squeezebox le coeur du système reste quand même le LMS auquel est associé un lecteur réseau squeezebox. Il me semble donc possible de fournir aujourd'hui d'un coté un LMS en boîte noire avec le soft qui va bien pour simplifier la connection d'un autre coté les squeezebox lecteurs réseaux. Dans le détail je verrai bien une boite noire avec deux disques durs en miroir avec logiciel open source qui fait le LMS tout en un, une sorte de Nas tout en un mais que l'on puisse hacker tout de même. et coté lecteur ajouter dans ces appareils une connection bluetooth. - Squeezebox Duet + DAC : Advance Acoustic mdx-600 + turntable : Thorens TD190-2 + CD player : Marantz CD5004 + K7 player : Yamaha K340 +ampli : Marantz PM7001 + speaker : Magnat Quantum 1005. - Raspberry 2 + Ampli-dac : Alientek D8 + speaker : Elipson Studio pro. sitro0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
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andifor wrote: > => The difference is subtle, but I can hear it. And please don't ask me > to explain, *why* it sounds different. I have no clue of the technical > details :o) Thanks for the description! How many tests did you do, and how many of those did you get right? And how did you "reshuffle" between the tests? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > If it is just a subjective opinion, and we treat it as such, then yes. > Some of us might still want to understand the circumstances that lead to > it. Easy: - connect the mR (microRendu) on one input of my DAC - connect the Receiver on another input of my DAC - sync the two devices in LMS - play some pink noise to level the two devices (*) Play my favoured music to compare (two songs I always use to compare HiFi components and I think I know them) - listen to those two songs on one channel - switch the input on the DAC (remote helps) - listen to the same two songs on the other channel - listen to the same songs a 3rd time, now I can switch between input channels if I want to hear some details either on mR or the Receiver => The difference is subtle, but I can hear it. And please don't ask me to explain, *why* it sounds different. I have no clue of the technical details :o) (*) After levelling the two channels, I can(**) swap the cables several times (they have the same color) so I don't know anymore, what device is connected to what channel (a simple way to come up with a blind test ;o) (**) I couldn't do the swapping today, as I couldn't find a second cable with the same color... andifor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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drmatt wrote: > Like all individual's opinions, we are really not interested how they > were decided upon. When he wants to write a scientific paper about it > then he'll have to show his working... If it is just a subjective opinion, and we treat it as such, then yes. Some of us might still want to understand the circumstances that lead to it. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Like all individual's opinions, we are really not interested how they were decided upon. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andifor wrote: > Yes, I have. Good. How did you do it? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: > Have you ensured levels are matched? Yes, I have. andifor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Squeezemenicely wrote: > Nope, sorry you got it wrong. The Receiver and the Transporter were/are > complete devices including the DAC. Therefore they can sound different, > since all is done in the device and the audio is output to your > amplifyer. You're right, the DAC is important as well. I wasn't aware of the Transporter including a DAC. andifor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The SB devices that I still use are the Booms and Radios; the screens on them makes them great devices for bedroom and kitchen. But they are only ever going to be of interest to people who already have LMS. For real music listening I can't see what hardware could be made to please everyone. I'm currently using a PC, multi channel sound card and digital active. Niche. The market is too fragmented. The SB system was always too fiddly for general use - it allowed too many freedoms, so there were problems. If they had sold a control unit (LMS server, plug into router wired) and then wireless units that 'just worked', they could have done more, but Sonos took that market. Interestingly, LMS is about the only system I know that plays the majority of streaming services (Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz etc) onto the majority of devices (Pi, DLNA players, SB devices, Chromecast) and with great remote control, so in some ways is more useful than ever. However, I still don't use it on my main system as the integration between my library and Tidal is not good enough - it's too many clicks from one to the other. SB3, Dac-in-the-Box, Sony VFET, Snell Type Cs Boom x 2, Radio adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andifor wrote: > Well, you are invited to check for differences between a Receiver and a > microRendu. I have them both available and can connect them my DAC. - I > don't say, which device sound better (I just say, there is a > difference). Where ever this difference comes from. Have you ensured levels are matched? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Squeezemenicely wrote: > With the Sonore and Pi (without a DAC installed) you only have a > computer that runs the software, the "sound" is then dealt by with a DAC > that you connect to the USB port. It - if nothing is broken - has > nothing to do with the quality or "sound" of the audio, that then gets > fed into your amp. Infact all Sonore used was another minicomputer, > instead of a Pi inside their devices - nothing with extra audio magic. Well, you are invited to check for differences between a Receiver and a microRendu. I have them both available and can connect them my DAC. - I don't say, which device sound better (I just say, there is a difference). Where ever this difference comes from. andifor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Pi has analogue audio output, as do most DAC hats, so yeah they can "sound". -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andifor wrote: > Talking about sound: If the Receiver sounds different than the > Transporter, a Sonore device might sound different than a Pi. > > Nope, sorry you got it wrong. The Receiver and the Transporter were/are complete devices including the DAC. Therefore they can sound different, since all is done in the device and the audio is output to your amplifyer. With the Sonore and Pi (without a DAC installed) you only have a computer that runs the software, the "sound" is then dealt by with a DAC that you connect to the USB port. It - if nothing is broken - has nothing to do with the quality or "sound" of the audio, that then gets fed into your amp. Infact all Sonore used was another minicomputer, instead of a Pi inside their devices - nothing with extra audio magic. LMS 7.9.0 - 1470391720 on Pi2 (Max2play) Synology DS-414 NAS Squeezebox Touch, Squeezebox Boom, Squeezebox Radio, HifiBerry PicorePlayer Schiit - BIFROST AKM 4490 Dac Spotify Premium Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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drmatt wrote: > Years of experience tells us that people will pay lots and lots of money > for a nice case... > Talking about sound: If the Receiver sounds different than the Transporter, a Sonore device might sound different than a Pi. Talking about cases: I prefer the Receivers case to the Transporter :o) andifor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Years of experience tells us that people will pay lots and lots of money for a nice case... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Squeezemenicely wrote: > Wow, just seen the prices on sonore - pretty steep for a "Pi in > disguise" ... Well, no idea what they are really using as hardware, but > running Squeezelite etc. > > What is the point of buying such a device? Just get a Pi with a DAC or > connect to the DAC of your dreams. It is all the same, except for a very > nice case. Sonicorbiter is a Cubox at twice the price. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Wow, just seen the prices on sonore - pretty steep for a "Pi in disguise" ... Well, no idea what they are really using as hardware, but running Squeezelite etc. What is the point of buying such a device? Just get a Pi with a DAC or connect to the DAC of your dreams. It is all the same, except for a very nice case. LMS 7.9.0 - 1470391720 on Pi2 (Max2play) Synology DS-414 NAS Squeezebox Touch, Squeezebox Boom, Squeezebox Radio, HifiBerry PicorePlayer Schiit - BIFROST AKM 4490 Dac Spotify Premium Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Antoniop wrote: > I recently bought a new (!) squeeze radio on amazon market place and > would buy a touch or a transporter if I could. I didn't found similar > products on the market that could work as nicely with LMS. Fortunately > all my squeezebox devices are still working! > Those who are interested in new players might check sonore.us (not sonos!). Sonore has 3 players with included LMS clients (squeezelite). I currently have only the low-end player but planning on updating to mid- or high-end soonish. As far as I understand, the sonore products are based on vortexbox, more details on their web site. My mR (microRendu) replaced my broken Squeezebox Receiver and integrates nicely in my LMS environment. http://www.sonore.us/ andifor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I realize I started the latest beat-the-dead-horse topic, but I really think with new sections of walmart and bestbuy dedicated to bluetooth speakers, that connected, syncable speakers are absolutely the next big thing. Even Sonos might be a little ahead of the market right now. Chromecast audio is proving that there's going to be a market for it. All Logitech has to do is come up with another touch-like product that has a LMS built in, get rid of all mysqueezebox.com stuff, and put some weight behind the online streaming companies again (like spotty). I've seen simple bluetooth speakers in the $100-$200 range. Imagine if logitech had in their UE display a particular speaker that connected to wifi, could play any song on amazon or spotify, and if you purchase more than one of them, you can sync them in separate rooms... It's a good idea. Pop a 3.5" headphones and a digial coax or optical port on there, and you've got the next gen squeezebox. 1 Touch 2 Receivers 1 Controller 2 Radios FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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nolan wrote: > How strong do you think Sonos are though? I can't see much of a future > for them unless they get acquired by Amazon or Apple. I know they are in > a lot of the big name stores but they have laid staff off and failed to > follow through with the voice control they announced. I can see they > being a good fit for Amazon though if they decide to take Alexa > upmarket. > > I'm grateful to Slim Devices for the way they designed the Squeezebox > system so it could continue after they had exited the market. > > A lot of my listening is via Spotify these days so I appreciate the > plugins that allow me to cast content from my iPhone, it works > perfectly. > > *edit* > I guess most people have seen the but this indicates what they are up > against. > https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/01/11/sonos-ceo-steps-down-amazon-alexa/I > thought Sonos was just about to announce voice control. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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How strong do you think Sonos are though? I can't see much of a future for them unless they get acquired by Amazon or Apple. I know they are in a lot of the big name stores but they have laid staff off and failed to follow through with the voice control they announced. I can see they being a good fit for Amazon though if they decide to take Alexa upmarket. I'm grateful to Slim Devices for the way they designed the Squeezebox system so it could continue after they had exited the market. A lot of my listening is via Spotify these days so I appreciate the plugins that allow me to cast content from my iPhone, it works perfectly. nolan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7440 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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jfo wrote: > I suspect that Logitech has continued to support this project to protect > their intellectual property while taking a "wait and see" approach to > the possible options that might unfold which could allow them to extract > some value from their investment. It is certainly not because they are > nice guy's and don't want to annoy our core group of followers. The > resources they assign are the minimum they can allocate and still keep > LMS/Squeezebox alive, without abandoning the IP/knowhow. Fortunately for > us, they assigned Michael H to this role...someone who is an avid user > himself and seems to enjoy the work and the community. Hopefully this > can continue to fly far enough below the radar to attract too much > attention from some Logitech financial analyst looking for some easy > cost savings! > Like many here, I've been using Squeezebox through all it's iterations > over the past 15 years and still find it to be the best overall > solution. Perhaps that Financial Analyst you are talking about or just maybe some Logitech board members as well are also avid muso's and users of this very music eco system. Fingers crossed. *Pi3 with piCoreplayer music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets/Jogglers *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s *Office* - Pi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I suspect that Logitech has continued to support this project to protect their intellectual property while taking a "wait and see" approach to the possible options that might unfold which could allow them to extract some value from their investment. It is certainly not because they are nice guy's and don't want to annoy our core group of followers. The resources they assign are the minimum they can allocate and still keep LMS/Squeezebox alive, without abandoning the IP/knowhow. Fortunately for us, they assigned Michael H to this role...someone who is an avid user himself and seems to enjoy the work and the community. Hopefully this can continue to fly far enough below the radar to attract too much attention from some Logitech financial analyst looking for some easy cost savings! Like many here, I've been using Squeezebox through all it's iterations over the past 15 years and still find it to be the best overall solution. jfo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I really just hope that the people that are truly keeping this going (those here) are thinking ahead to a time when the domains and support are completely gone. I feel that they are (I'm not on this forum enough to know). I am impressed with how the loss of Spotify was quickly remedied by Spotty. Heck, Spotify works on my squeezeboxes now way more reliably than every before. LMS in general has been made way more reliable since it has gone on its own. emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > Excellent point. Every day I'm surprised when I click on this forum to > see what's up and it actually works versus a "page does not exist" > message. It's actually quite amazing that this forum still exists. It > will be sad to see it go (when it does). Well they renewed the domain name on May 2017. I think if they were going to dump it, they would have by now. It expires in June 2018 so hopefully they'll renew again. Fizbin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58734 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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alfista wrote: > So even if Logitech, to put it bluntly, failed, they did so in a fairly > nice way. Excellent point. Every day I'm surprised when I click on this forum to see what's up and it actually works versus a "page does not exist" message. It's actually quite amazing that this forum still exists. It will be sad to see it go (when it does). *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: > Logitech were, and always would have been, the wrong company to buy Slim > Devices. Their core businesses were just miles apart. Perhaps, but I think most other companies would have struggled to keep the product line going, and most other companies would have wasted no time pulling the plug on support once they pulled out of the market. Another kind of company may have been better suited at operating in a niche market, selling through channels other than the major retail chains or developing a licensing model. But those other companies could just as well have folded during the financial crisis the years after the sale and taken the Squeezebox with them. So even if Logitech, to put it bluntly, failed, they did so in a fairly nice way. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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drmatt wrote: > Hah, works for me :) > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- .. with wifi i forgot that :D Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10 wrote: > For SlimDevices it was the perfect time to sell. Taking into account > Logitechs business model it was the wrong time for Logitech to buy. Logitech were, and always would have been, the wrong company to buy Slim Devices. Their core businesses were just miles apart. The Squeezebox system was never going to become successful in the mass-market. Its topology required a certain level of insight on the user's part. IMHO the best way for it to have survived and grown would have been to licence the technology to established audio manufacturers such as Sony, Yamaha, Marantz, Cambridge, Meridian, Linn, McIntosh and the like. The cachet of those names would have boosted its standing. Slim Devices could have become a supplier of effectively OEM modules to be incorporated into devices such as preamps and optical disc players. (No doubt the greedier vendors such as Naim would have just bunged the SD module in a box on its own and flogged it as yet another source component at 100x the price of the module, but it would still have the desired effect of legitimizing the technology). There was a brief window of opportunity about a decade back where SlimProto could have become the defacto streaming mechanism around the industry, but it would have taken a heck of a lot of work. Can't blame Sean, Dean and the gang for taking the cash when it was on offer, even though they probably knew it was being taken on by the wrong company. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The story goes much deeper than well ever know. I'm sure Michael Herger knows all the dirt but is unable say so publicly. ;) What little we do know . Soon after Logitech acquired SlimDevices there was a major reshuffling of managers and department personnel at Logitech. The few individuals at Logitech that had even the slightest clue and interest in SlmDevices and its ecosystem were shuffled around and I suspect eventually even out of Logitech. Some of the core SlimDevices personel and developers were also cycled out. A couple more corporate reshufflings and the entire SqueezeBox idea became the red headed step child at Logitech. First ignored, then diminished, finally axed all together. They struggled to market it properly as well. The same brand stores (like a Best Buy) in different regions had the SB players in different product/shelf categories. Some displayed them in the computer speakers area, others in the keyboard/mouse area, some others still in the TV/stereo area. Some had stock, some didnt, some with stock did not know what shelf to find them on, and if found coudlnt explain what it was capable of or how it worked. It was a mess. I suspect various regional Logitech reps with varying degree of knowledge and interest of the SB product had a lot to do with its confusing product placement issues. A niche product for (mostly) home stereo use being marketed by a behemouth keyboard/mouse conglomerate in a fast growing consumer environment that wanted on demand music services on their phones with earbuds and satisfied with compressed audio over BlueTooth (also absent on SB devices) . Was a recipe for disaster. For SlimDevices it was the perfect time to sell. Taking into account Logitechs business model it was the wrong time for Logitech to buy. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: > > Anyhow some stubborn fellow wants to sync 24/192 pcm over 5 players :D > and comes to our forum. Hah, works for me :) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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drmatt wrote: > Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs, > for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it > out. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- Probably due to old tech . more than 16/44.1 does not really do anything for anyone . It increases bandwith usage . One of Sonos bragging points is there mesh network that practically configure itself . You can be a computer numpty and it sort of works anyway . LMS and wifi also works , if you have a decent network :) how many treads do we have with "my wifi is perfect" and I still have rebuffering songs quit etc . And squeezeboxes are kind of weak in the wifi department :/ not on par with what you can do today . Rpi3 is not that good for wifi either . Anyhow some stubborn fellow wants to sync 24/192 pcm over 5 players :D and comes to our forum. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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One of the most attractive aspects of Squeezebox is the ability to use it (server and hardware) with high definition music, if one wants to. I have an optical connection to my stereo and have really loved the ability to listen to my surround sound music. There are things I wouldn't mind being better, but no one else is doing it at this point either. I am encouraged by the continued support and development of the LMS, and with the ability to use a PI device, I don't see a need for Logitech to resurrect the system. I could see frustration for people that may not have the inclination to build their own system with a PI, but I suspect there will be those who will potentially provide a service of building such devices that could take advantage of LMS or even other server software that is out there. I have to admit that I do slightly fear a discontinuation of LMS from the standpoint that I do not see any other similar media servers with the full suite of features LMS has. There are those that the individual features I find important (full featured library or high definition audio) but few provide all the features. I only wish I had the time to contribute more myself; my job swallows all my time but my devices and LMS allow me to move along happily. emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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drmatt wrote: > Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs, > for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it > out. And that must have cost them about five sales or something? I honestly don't think the majority of potential Sonos buyers know, much less care. Wouldn't know if there's an uside somewhere, but since I doubt there's any downside from Sonos' perspective, even the slightest advantage would make it the right decision. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Sonos also made the executive decision to cripple their digital outputs, for reasons no one can fathom; nor do they seem interested in sorting it out. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > My point was that Sonos had started to become accepted in the consumer > electronics field just as Logitech pulled out. Yes. Only a different subset of the consumers than the Squeezeboxes caters to. The fact that there was enough buyers to support Sonos doesn't suggest that there would have been enough to keep the Squeezebox going IMHO. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: > Sonos was around long before Logitech bought Slim Devices. The two > product lines were always at opposite ends of the market. Drawing an > analogy with HiFi, Sonos appealed to the sort of person who would buy an > integrated B system, whereas the Squeezebox system appealed to the > sort of person who would mix & match components, and probably even mount > & align the pickup cartridge on their turntable. > > It seems to me that at the time, Logitech saw that there might be money > to be made in the streaming market, and Slim Devices was a company in > that field that could be bought for what was (to Logitech) loose change. > It was a gamble worth taking and wouldn't cost much if it failed to pay > off. > > What's also clear is that Logitech failed to do their homework and never > really understood the vision behind the Squeezebox ecosystem. Their daft > attempt to squeeze (excuse the pun) a stripped down server into the > Touch is evidence they really were barking up the wrong tree. What they > should have done is build and sell an LMS server as a hardware > appliance. They could probably have hired the guys at Vortexbox to do > that for them. Perhaps I should not have referred to Sonos as high end. My point was that Sonos had started to become accepted in the consumer electronics field just as Logitech pulled out. Sonos is just as flawed as SB arguably more so. For example when BBC pulled the plug Sonos needed firmware updates whereas we had Beeb back on line with hardly any delay. At the same time people were buying AVRs. Had Logitech licensed the workings to some AVR manufacturers they would have had a market for years. Imagine an AVR that detects network shares via SMB but that magically adds them to a running LMS on the AVR itself with built in player. A nice now playing on the TV with hifi sound. None of that Dlna nonsense. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk *Pi3 with piCoreplayer music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets/Jogglers *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s *Office* - Pi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > What is crystal clear though is that they killed the product line at > exactly the wrong time just as other high products such as Sonos etc > were being launched. Sonos was around long before Logitech bought Slim Devices. The two product lines were always at opposite ends of the market. Drawing an analogy with HiFi, Sonos appealed to the sort of person who would buy an integrated B system, whereas the Squeezebox system appealed to the sort of person who would mix & match components, and probably even mount & align the pickup cartridge on their turntable. It seems to me that at the time, Logitech saw that there might be money to be made in the streaming market, and Slim Devices was a company in that field that could be bought for what was (to Logitech) loose change. It was a gamble worth taking and wouldn't cost much if it failed to pay off. What's also clear is that Logitech failed to do their homework and never really understood the vision behind the Squeezebox ecosystem. Their daft attempt to squeeze (excuse the pun) a stripped down server into the Touch is evidence they really were barking up the wrong tree. What they should have done is build and sell an LMS server as a hardware appliance. They could probably have hired the guys at Vortexbox to do that for them. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Roon bussines model is not viable for squeezebox either . Software = open source LMS = no revenue . Squeezebox = DIY our own rpi3 = no revenue . Enhanced interlinked metadata so that you can build a roon like UX = licensed and costly (se all the trouble our comunity had with the lyrics plugin and varius cover download utilities ) Wonder if not that was what the ickstream guys had in mind.. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > What is crystal clear though is that they killed the product line at > exactly the wrong time just as other high products such as Sonos etc > were being launched. Is it? Sonos had already gained good traction by the time Logitech shut down production, but I don't see the relevance. In my mind Sonos and Squeezebox don't have an awful lot in common, and it was the market for Sonos-like product that took off while the market for Squeezeboxes withered. The Squeezebox was an idea whose idea had come, and gone. Logitech tried to salvage their investment in the Radio by "dumbing it down", maybe they could have been successful if they had gone even further on that path, but then it wouldn't really have been Squeezeboxes. A Transporter II marketed under a different brand, with the latest audiophile tickbox items and proper marketing hyperbole might have worked, but hardly interesting for a company like Logitech. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger wrote: > > Even if this is a niche . For example ROON is trying to get piece of > the > > pie by selling software . With a kind of licensing model for,hardware > > they have no hardware of their own . > > I thought this would come up. But then that software is Roon's business. > > They're small and obviously happy to serve a niche. But that's not > Logitech's business model. > > -- > > Michael I know . Working in a multinational myself :) the top floor does not really know what to do with smaller products even if they work well in their niche's and even turn a small profit with reasonable margin . They just cant fit it into both bussines model and organisation . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Even if this is a niche . For example ROON is trying to get piece of the pie by selling software . With a kind of licensing model for,hardware they have no hardware of their own . I thought this would come up. But then that software is Roon's business. They're small and obviously happy to serve a niche. But that's not Logitech's business model. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Even if this is a niche . For example ROON is trying to get piece of the pie by selling software . With a kind of licensing model for,hardware they have no hardware of their own . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
As many have said it ain't happening. Still, I offer my thanks to Logitech in general and to Michael specifically for maintaining these forums and LMS. As others have said the plug and play w no system/software maintenance is where most are today. Me, I still prefer the "old School" collecting, tagging, archiving etc. Thanks to all who keep this concept alive and working ! dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
d6jg wrote: > All this doesn't quite explain how you can still buy a brand new > Transporter SE on eBay and that new stocks of same keep appearing. Are > Logitech still manufacturing but only Transporters? Not only transporters are appearing. I missed a UE radio sale on amazon.fr some months ago but there was another one in july, 8 units sold by 3B-It at 163 which is the normal price, I bought one! LMS 7.9.0 on Linux Mageia 5 and RPI 3 1 SB3, 2 radio, 1 touch Plugins : Trackstat, Smartmix, MusicIP, ... Antoniop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
. This topic will always be discussed until one of two things happen, Squeezeboxen start showing up at Best Buy or Logitech goes out of business! Are either of those two things going to happen anytime soon, I don't think so, so the topic will live on. Logitech should be commended daily for their endless support of a product that they haven't manufactured in year! I still can't believe MYSB.com is operational without any real issues. Plus the work and help Michael provides is amazing and deeply appreciated. LMS is very well polished and I haven't had a single problem with it in so long I can't even remember the last time I had an issue with it. So comments that the Community will or would die if MYSB.com disappeared, I can't see that happening because I don't even use or have a need for MYSB.com. Granted I admit that many absolutely need MYSB.com because of how they listen to Music and don't have a huge personal stored music library. And then their are Tidal, Spotify, and others that LMS helps stream to ones Squeezeboxen. As long as I can repair or replace any Squeezeboxen of mine that die, I will be using LMS/Squeezebox until I die. The fact that I can now build my own Player, Touch replacement, or even a player with built in amp, my Squeezebox/LMS use is not going to decrease, it is ever increasing. Ran into and bought a Transporter, SB3, and two Touch Squeezeboxes at an Estate Sale the better half and I stopped at after I spotted a pair of Wilson Watt Puppy Speakers in the driveway (like money and sex, there is no such thing as too many Squeezebox spares). Would I love to see a new highend updated Transporter and updated Touch replacement, sure. Wouldn't most of us? *iPhone* Media Room: ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Those are "new, old stock" transporters. There is no manufacturing for a decade or so. LMS was always too hard for people, Sonos fixed that and appeals to the Apple buying industrial design generation to boot, despite being broadly mediocre for various reasons. Logitech had a ground breaking product.. but couldn't get the complexity out of it fast enough to make it palletable. And truth is the gear was *expensive*. Well over consumer CD player expensive. Early, geek adopters only. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
toby10 wrote: > Exactly. Those and numerous other reasons are why it is a dead product. > *WE* all love them and *WE* get/use the SB advantages. But the mass > market could care less, and for very understandable reasons. In a world > of streaming compressed music on a mobile device listened to via tiny > ear buds or tiny BT speakers, the SB experience is irrelevant to the > mass majority. The niche market for anything even remotely close to SB > is saturated with big name players (Sonos & Bose). The tweakers will > settle for PICore/MicroPC as SB player replacements. > > But would/could Logitech even sell or license the technology is a silly > question that has been raked over the coals to the point of obsurdity. > It simply won't happen if they would, and would not happen if they > could. It's dead baby. dead. :) All true but it does make for an interesting discussion. I agree that Logitech have nothing to gain by resurrecting the product line but they could do so under a hifi brand name except that the licensing isn't possible as all the software is now open source (isn't it?). What is crystal clear though is that they killed the product line at exactly the wrong time just as other high products such as Sonos etc were being launched. All this doesn't quite explain how you can still buy a brand new Transporter SE on eBay and that new stocks of same keep appearing. Are Logitech still manufacturing but only Transporters? *Pi3 with piCoreplayer music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets/Jogglers *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s *Office* - Pi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Antoniop wrote: > Well, I am not sure. I don't know much these products, but SONOS is sold > everywhere and Bose have also a similar (?) product line. > Anyway, people say they're very easy to use, which is not the case with > LMS. > LMS is too complicated for old people and also for most of the young > people. They have their phone, a bluetooth connection and a speaker and > that's enough. > > LMS would have to be easier to use if logitech wanted to start selling > it again. The problem also IMO is that logitech wouldn't be satisfied > with a few thousands sales. when they sell a product, they want to sell > it by millions (that's only my feeling), like the boom speakers and > other products. > > I'm also quite happy with the current status quo, because I'm very happy > with what I have and Logitech is letting us "playing with our toys". > I see two big clouds with that status quo : first, I love the old > logitech squeeze products, they have a very good design, wonderful > ergonomics and of course terrific sound for the price. I recently bought > a new (!) squeeze radio on amazon market place and would buy a touch or > a transporter if I could. I didn't found similar products on the market > that could work as nicely with LMS. Fortunately all my squeezebox > devices are still working! > Second problem is that LMS rely only on Michael H and the main plug-ins > on a few developers. Some developers apparently have "left the boat", as > Triode, and some doesn't give news for a moment (Erland, some others ?). > If they all leave, that will really be difficult for us to stay with > LMS. > > I think Logitech could, and maybe should, launch another product line as > squeezeboxes devices, but I don't think they will, unless they change > their marketing strategy, which is to sell small devices, easy to use, > not too expensive, for the young. Exactly. Those and numerous other reasons are why it is a dead product. *WE* all love them and *WE* get/use the SB advantages. But the mass market could care less, and for very understandable reasons. In a world of streaming compressed music on a mobile device listened to via tiny ear buds or tiny BT speakers, the SB experience is irrelevant to the mass majority. The niche market for anything even remotely close to SB is saturated with big name players (Sonos & Bose). The tweakers will settle for PICore/MicroPC as SB player replacements. But would/could Logitech even sell or license the technology is a silly question that has been raked over the coals to the point of obsurdity. It simply won't happen if they would, and would not happen if they could. It's dead baby. dead. :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
I think Logitech could, and maybe should, launch another product line as squeezeboxes devices, but I don't think they will, unless they change their marketing strategy, which is to sell small devices, easy to use, not too expensive, for the young. Like... the UE Boom family of products?... IMHO the LMS based product is becoming more and more of a niche product. Who does still curate his own music collection? We do, yes. But who else? The mass market future is in the cloud, like it or not. As you said: easy to use. And connected. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
toby10 wrote: > > It's dead as a viable consumer product offering. Well, I am not sure. I don't know much these products, but SONOS is sold everywhere and Bose have also a similar (?) product line. Anyway, people say they're very easy to use, which is not the case with LMS. LMS is too complicated for old people and also for most of the young people. They have their phone, a bluetooth connection and a speaker and that's enough. LMS would have to be easier to use if logitech wanted to start selling it again. The problem also IMO is that logitech wouldn't be satisfied with a few thousands sales. when they sell a product, they want to sell it by millions (that's only my feeling), like the boom speakers and other products. I'm also quite happy with the current status quo, because I'm very happy with what I have and Logitech is letting us "playing with our toys". I see two big clouds with that status quo : first, I love the old logitech squeeze products, they have a very good design, wonderful ergonomics and of course terrific sound for the price. I recently bought a new (!) squeeze radio on amazon market place and would buy a touch or a transporter if I could. I didn't found similar products on the market that could work as nicely with LMS. Fortunately all my squeezebox devices are still working! Second problem is that LMS rely only on Michael H and the main plug-ins on a few developers. Some developers apparently have "left the boat", as Triode, and some doesn't give news for a moment (Erland, some others ?). If they all leave, that will really be difficult for us to stay with LMS. I think Logitech could, and maybe should, launch another product line as squeezeboxes devices, but I don't think they will, unless they change their marketing strategy, which is to sell small devices, easy to use, not too expensive, for the young. LMS 7.9.0 on Linux Mageia 5 and RPI 3 1 SB3, 2 radio, 1 touch Plugins : Trackstat, Smartmix, MusicIP, ... Antoniop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
I can live with the current status quo as far as Logitech gives Michael enough room to do his thing. *SqueezeBoxes:* 2x SB2 (Living room and study), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Bedroom) *Server:* LMS1 7.7.3 on windows, LMS2 7.9.1. on PcP 3.20 *Network:* AVM Fritzbox, D-Link Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity edwin2006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
FredFredrickson wrote: > Who thinks Logitech should resurrect the brand and start > selling squeezeboxen again? This has been discussed in here for years, over and over. It will never happen. It will never be resurrected, nor sold, nor licensed to a third party, etc.. It's dead as a viable consumer product offering. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Short answer: Nah, at least not a Squeezebox brand based on the architecture we know and (mostly) love. Don't get me wrong, I think the Squeezebox ecosystem is genuinely amazing. There seems to be no limit to the adaptability and extensibility, constantly made to run on new platforms with new exciting integrations like voice control. But I don't see any market large enough for a resurrected Squeezebox line. The "unique selling point" of the package, the jewel in the crown, is LMS. Mysqueezebox is an afterthought and doesn't offer anything the competition already does equally good or better. Since the download market has dropped sharply and CD sales as far as I know are in a slow decline, it seems users having a local media library is a narrowing niche in the market. And sadly, to capitalize on the power and flexibility of LMS, there is a bit of a learning curve. It becomes very obvious when things like the recent changes to Spotify streaming that a lot of users haven't fully managed to understand this glorious concept, and I don't blame them. The Squeezebox was a reasonably priced player that came at a time when there were few alternatives, no online streaming services, no smartphones or bluetooth speakers. It was primarily aimed at users with a bit of computer skills that wanted to play their ripped CDs (and whatever MP3s could be found on Napster et al) through a stereo system. A bit of tinkering came with the territory and wasn't a problem, when you got it working it was in every sense a huge leap forward over hooking your computer to the sound system. Today you get a Spotify client in your TV or your receiver, bluetooth speakers are ubiquitous and if you have a music library at all it's often on your phone. Among "audiophiles" you may still find people interested in maintaining a music collection, but they aren't going to sully their pristine signal chain with some cheap plastic thing from a keyboard manufacturer so they aren't going to help the sales. A "dumbed down" product aimed primarily at online streaming (like UE Radio) is probably the only thing that would make any sense for Logitech, but I doubt it would have an easier time now than it did when it was cancelled in 2014. The phone (that people already use to access Spotify) and a decent speaker does the same thing. I think the Squeezebox as a concept will live on for a long time, maintained and supported by enthusiasts. The ride will inevitably be a bit rocky when Logitech pulls the plug on their servers or assigns M Herger to other tasks, but I believe it will survive that too. As much as I wish there were new players for sale, I don't see it happen, but I keep enjoying the great system I have in LMS and have no plan to stop using it. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech should resurrect squeezebox
Actually I suspect you'll find a lot of people on the forum are quite happy with the status quo. The Pi/DAC/open source LMS solution is very compelling. Any reignite of Logitech official Interest could well see them grabbing that back in-house. At the very least it would likely be based around the UE platform, not LMS. I would, however, love to see a tidy updated Squeezebox Touch type device with Bluetooth apt-x, airplay, a software Chromecast endpoint and a nicer touch display would be awesome as a converged streaming device. I just don't think that's what we'd get if we asked for it. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
