Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
I have two kids, 6 and 1. And a wife.
I currently use the Multi-Library plug-in to have a subset of the
library available on the playroom Boom - just the kids' music and audio
books. The menus are simplified, and the system works well. (Although
this thread remind me that I do need to make some changes now that the
elder is a bit more grown up!)
I think that it would be useful to have something like user accounts,
which stored the library preference, favourites, Spotify account and so
on for each family member. When logged in to the specific account,
adding to favourites automatically added to that account. This would be
a roaming profile, so the setup on the kids' Boom could be transferred
to the main system easily. I would want each account to have a library
subset ('my music') and also access to the whole library, and a simple
way to add anything from the main library to 'my music', for example if
my wife (who is less familiar with the library contents than me)
discovers something she likes. There could also be a way of
recommending music to another user, so I could recommend something new
to my wife, and she could then choose whether to 'accept' it into her
music library.
Obviously if you could make it connected to the internet so I could
recommend music to friends, who then could accept it, have the system
download it in FLAC and add it to their library then that would be great
:)
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Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
erland wrote: Do you feel you would change the library definitions often ? I agree on the need for the configuration to be user friendly, but I've always looked at it as something that's setup once initially and rarely changed after that. I'm just asking because I want to better understand how you would be using it if you feel that you would change the libraries regularly. I dont know what often is, but right now one or two months later, I want to change the setup and cant even muster the energy and time to go back and do this. For products of this type, rule one should be letting the customer enjoy their music, rather than mastering the product itself. So I think it has to be graphical or check boxes for folders and within the server ideally. If we assume that the users with the most basic needs have kind of fallen out of the Squeezebox customer base to a large degree, then it makes sense to focus on more complex user scenarios and making the complex simple. Osamede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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To my understanding there are (at least) two different kind of criteria which leads to the need of library subsets. There are subsets which definitions are based on content (classic, kids, ... ) and there are criteria which depend on taste. The first kind can easily be mapped into an according folder structure and if the subset definition supports folder whitelists, this definition is set forever. New files only need to be copied or ripped to the right place. This is more an organisatorial task for the 'collection admin' like setting the genres - each library subset is a set of genres, and indeed, the genre tag could also be used to accomplish that. Either way, the definition of the set is quite static - the actual set may vary with time, though. Having an approriate folder structure this case can be realised by multiple servers. The second type is based on (current) taste - and there may be overlaps between individual subsets. If I buy a new album, most likely every user wants to have it in (one of) his subset. This kind of subset is for albums (or artists), what a playlist is for songs. cadfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58296 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? - Yes. But the content overlaps. For example - the children needs access to primarily children-specifc music and childrens audiobooks, they dont really need much else - I need access to separate libraries of music, audiobooks and radio show archives, plus the kids stuff - wife needs access to only a subset of the music I play If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? - all on a single HTPC in the house. Anything itunes on my laptop or the wife's has been copied over from the HTPC where all ripping/conversion is done as well If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? - Yes as detailed above Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? - not really. Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? - yes Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? - not in our household Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? - everyone has PRIMARY players, but still a great deal of overalap - dont need restrictions as much as segmentation to make browsing simpler - eg the Player in the kids room use mainly by kids dont need cluttering their browsing when their segments are like 2% of the total audio files on the server - The mobile players - Ipeng and SqueezePlay - are mainly used by the individual but for example in some instances my wifes ipad is the only one at hand and I want to access my music there Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? - both individual (wife and i with smartphones) plus tablets which we share among us. If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? - IR remote for the SB Touch and Radio, plus the tablets which are shared How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family? - Mainly need the squeezebox server software to be able to present the content it holds as several virtual Libraries without the need for kludges/plugins. No disrespect to your plugs, which I have actually bought many of, but the entire process is too intricate and fussy. I think 95% of the people I know would not even attempt to think about doing that kind of geek work, even if I am. And god forbid something is off, no way my wife, who is well educated, will even begin to be able to look the plugins and tweak it. IMO this needs to be a core functionality within the server software. Even better within a graphical interface, maybe driven by folder or genre drag and dropping. This level of user friendliness is where whole-house audio needs to go - or it will shrivel up even further until the likes of Apple come along and deliver - albeit at the cost of crippling and dumbing it down. Osamede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Osamede wrote: IMO this needs to be a core functionality within the server software. Even better within a graphical interface, maybe driven by folder or genre drag and dropping. This level of user friendliness is where whole-house audio needs to go - or it will shrivel up even further until the likes of Apple come along and deliver - albeit at the cost of crippling and dumbing it down. Do you feel you would change the library definitions often ? I agree on the need for the configuration to be user friendly, but I've always looked at it as something that's setup once initially and rarely changed after that. I'm just asking because I want to better understand how you would be using it if you feel that you would change the libraries regularly. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan wrote: Off topic for you, but the most useful thing for us would be a smartphone app which allowed the user to sync/cache music files and playlists from the LMS server to storage on the phone over wi-fi (for off-line use). At the moment I use OrangeSqueeze/SqueezePlayer to play music on my phone when at home, but have to download files manually from the LMS server to a 32GB card on the phone and use a different app to play music while away from my home network. Found that I have an existing App that can go some of the way to doing this. Orange Squeeze, an Android Squeezebox controller app, has the option to download files from your LMS library to your mobile phone. You can also get it to transcode the files to MP3 format at a bit rate you can set. Unfortunately you cannot play the music off line using Orange Squeeze, you will need to launch a separate App to play the music. It also does not do anything I cannot do already using a download app like ES file explorer. I already have my library in MP3 format as well as FLAC so I don't really need the transcode function. What is more the Transcoding is done on the server, and my NAS is not powerful enough to do the transcoding, so this App will only allow me to download the original FLAC files, which are rather too large for my mobile phone. So, in my case, I will stick to manually downloading from the MP3 version of my music library rather using this function. However, if you use a powerful server such as a PC or top-end NAS, then this might be useful as an alternative to manually transcoding and downloading music files to your mobile. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan wrote: Off topic for you, but the most useful thing for us would be a smartphone app which allowed the user to sync/cache music files and playlists from the LMS server to storage on the phone over wi-fi (for off-line use). At the moment I use OrangeSqueeze/SqueezePlayer to play music on my phone when at home, but have to download files manually from the LMS server to a 32GB card on the phone and use a different app to play music while away from my home network. bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi Erland, here my opinion ... We are 4 people 2 adults, 2 kids (9 11 y). There are 2 players for the home stereo and me and the kids have separate players. All media is stored on a central server. Individual favourites would be nice but is not that important. Individual playlists can easily be achieved by individually prefixed names, if that is necessary at all - I know my playlists and those from the kids very well. But what I think is absolutely necessary is to be able to separate the music into subsets. The reason for this is not to be able to restrict content, it is just a matter of comfort. There are hundreds of classic albums, hundreds of kids stuff (tales, kid songs), a bunch of audio books and christmas music. Everyone should be able to play all sorts of media, but I simply don't want to browse through all this, when I'm heading for the music I want to listen to. Another point is that although I have ~ 1500 albums, I mostly listen to, say, 100 regularly. The rest is stuff I just own and included to complete my collection. I compiled my favourite tracks of all these cold albums into a set of playlists, to not loose track completely. Right now I'm doing the content separation through your plugins (remember me? I enhanced custom browse to display different icons) and also played around with separate servers based on virtual box. As my subsets are not user but content (kind of genre) dependent (and hence static), I split my media folder into the mentioned branches, and point custom browse or the other vb server instances to separate root folders. The only problem I face is with the favourite albums; I don't have Favourites folder beneath the Contemporary Music, because than I would end up having several artists at multiple places. So, this problem isn't solved yet. My favourite system would be to have one basic set, which includes all content by default. So when a new cd is ripped and LMS scanned, this cd should show up there without any further efforts. Then subsets should be definable - based (at least) on folder black/white-lists. Artist, genre, tempo, or whatever could be valid criteria as well - but i personally wouldn't care. Switching between these subsets should feel like switching between servers today as far as My Music is concerned. The favourites and playlists could be the same - I don't care to see my RB playlist when I'm on the classic subset. Allthough my kids are very curious and like to play music they heard when I'm on control - they and my wife are quite unhappy with the huge amount of media. They don't like to scroll forever. So, If my kids could define her set (maybe server based through me - not necessarily through the controller) with Harry Potter and Madonna, and I had a way to hide 90% of my collection easily, that would be perfect. Just like virtual shelfs, where you can ad and remove cds, artist, ... Than it is up to the user to define the shelfs - maybe classic and jazz or peter and paul - or all of them. Best regards Guenther cadfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58296 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? Yes - but see below. erland wrote: If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? What I do now, which may not be that efficient, is have one PC with a big external drive (well, 2TB was big at the time) that has all of the music we collectively own (8+ songs over 20+ years). Family members are using both iPhone and Android for their own music.So - I guess central computer/NAS is the answer there - and then copy to other devices as needed. We have individual 'libraries' only because of the way iTunes works - where we have a main iTunes that has everything, and in another user an iTunes with just hat person's 'library' - since we have devices with different Apple accounts and couldn't find a better way to make that work.Tried sharing the iTunes library with multiple users, but didn't work well. erland wrote: If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? More so that worrying about multiple 'libraries' - it's the playlists for each family member that is most important. erland wrote: Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? Would be nice - since that is similar to the statistics on each device used to play music - and we can't keep that detail though the Squeezebox where it's just one set of stats. erland wrote: Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? Just one 'common' player - Squeezebox connected to a receiver that has AirPlay. Not important to me about restrictions. erland wrote: Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? Have the Squeezebox physical remote control (Squeezebox 3), but mostly use SqueezePad/iPeng (bought them both) on iPad/iPhone, and Squeezebox app (I think just the Logitech one) on Android phone. Use the iPad mostly just because of the large screen. erland wrote: How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? I want my music available everywhere. That's at home on the stereo with the Squeezebox 3, and on everyone's portable devices (2 iPhone's, one Android) in multiple places - in the house (either for iHome alarm clock dock, or just at home in a room away from others), in the car (would be great if it worked well in my car, and had a car-friendly display like some apps do with large text), and just anyplace away - at work, etc. AudioGalaxy was great when it existed at letting me access local music anywhere.Too bad it shut down.I sort of replaced it for 'away from home use' by using Amazon Cloud and uploading all music there (which yes, for 80-90,000 songs - too a long time) - but now music is available everyplace - but playlists on Amazon aren't the same as local - so that's not ideal. As far as organizing music - having the large 'family pool' of music that people can carve out their own playlists from is probably sufficient - but creating local 'libraries' that they then creating playlists out of might be better.Managing physically moving music to the devices would be nice - having to stream everything through the air like AudioGalaxy is nice for those of us with unlimited data, but not so much otherwise - so on one device, being able to have playlists on the phone using local music and have that playlist appear when we are using the Squeezebox would be better than we have now. It's the playlists that work everywhere that's key - and having local music available away. Amazon Cloud gives me the music - but not the 2-way playlist sync I'd like, and doesn't give me MusicIP or SmartMixes which I now use a lot. talvola's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19983 View this thread:
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? No. Wife and three kids. Nobody minds that all our music is in one place. If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? All on a single library on a single NAS. Kids have their own portable devices on which they save their favourite tracks for portability and private listening. If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? See previous answer. Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ?Playlists rarely used in this house. Nobody has the time to make them! Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ?Nope. Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ?Nope. Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ?Yes. My wife and I have android phones with memory cards and SqueezePlayer/OrangeSqueeze, the two boys have iPod Classics, my daughter has an iPod Touch 3rd Gen with iPeng (including the player function) and a BB with a memory card on which she saves a few MP3s. If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ?Everything controlled by everybody. Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ?Remote apps on the two android phones and the iPod Touch. Two Logitech controllers by each of the two Receiver players that are used by everybody. If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ?See previous answer. How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ?No real need for anything different. Off topic for you, but the most useful thing for us would be a smartphone app which allowed the user to sync/cache music files and playlists from the LMS server to storage on the phone over wi-fi (for off-line use). At the moment I use OrangeSqueeze/SqueezePlayer to play music on my phone when at home, but have to download files manually from the LMS server to a 32GB card on the phone and use a different app to play music while away from my home network. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Probably the most important use case for per-user ratings is that if I have a smart playlist that prefers highly-rated music, I want to hear the music I like, not the music the kids like. I imagine they feel the same way! mps wrote: Thanks for asking about this, Erland. I've been hoping for this for a long time, and support for multiple users within a family would make an immense difference for me. Yes. However, it is important to understand what library means. I use your multilibrary to setup different libraries for different family members. However, these libraries may overlap if, for example, everyone likes classic rock. All music is stored on a NAS. As above, I use multilibrary to create views for family members. Yes. As described in the classic rock example above. Yes Yes Yes, this is critically important. The kids don't care how I rate a song. They only care how they rate it. One important point here is that the notion of user is distinct from library. If my kids are browsing in my library and rating songs, they are creating their own ratings, not modifying my ratings. A little bit, but it isn't uncommon to use someone else' player. All players should be controllable by everyone. Also have shared remote controls Squeezebox controller As described above, I'd like the system to have a notion of users, with customized ratings, statistics, and views of the entire music repository (My daughter sometimes likes to browse my library, so libraries should not be completely hidden from different users). Any support in this direction would be huge. mps's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? No If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? n/a Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? No, I'm the only one in the family who uses playlists Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? No, our LMS Favorites are all internet radio stations, and we don't use any kind of favorites for local music Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? no, we don't use ratings or playback statistics at all now, and that wouldn't change if we could do it separately for each family member. Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? Haven't seen a need yet to limit the control of any players Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? We share our SBCs, and I also use my iPod and iPad. My wife doesn't want any SB remote control on her iPhone. If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? Shared controller is mostly SBCs, but sometimes IR-remotes How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? Compared to the current LMS: - better searching from remote devices (esp complex searches) - more flexible intelligent mixes, esp from remote. For example, something like MusicIP's ability to vary strictness/variety wrt to seed track, but without digging way into the guts of the server settings. Or for that matter, being able to select a set of tracks for the seed, as is possible with the MusicIP GUI, but not the SB implementation - outside your control, but better battery life on the iPod Touch. Mine is 3rd generation, so maybe that's already been improved. Or not. But lots of the time at night I end up listening to the lossy versions on my iPod rather than turning on the wifi and listening to my lossless version via LMS and iPeng. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It's just me and my husband, no kids and the dogs don't care. I use the Squeezebox system almost exclusively. He only plays music at his computer or through his iPhone. Have never been able to get him interested in trying to use Squeezeboxes, or even playing music from LMS through iPeng on his iPhone. If he does use a Squeezebox, it is the Radio--if he's working outside sometimes he will use the line-in connected to his iPhone, despite having all the same music available directly on the Radio through LMS. Go figure. Our music is combined all together on a home server. I use ratings to designate the music that is mine from his. I use a static playlist to designate his music, so that if we are together, I can easily choose tracks we both like. If it were separated, his music library would be much smaller than mine, and we do have some overlap. If he were able to restrict LMS to only a subset of the library that was his music, I think he might be more inclined to use it, but there would have to be an easy way for him to manage his library. I'd probably set it up for him initially but I would want him to be able to add and remove things from his library. We each listen to music very differently. I use mixes and playlists. He mostly listens to albums, or, on his iPhone he'll listen to all songs sorted alphabetically. Favorites is not something I've used very much and I doubt he would either. Not the way Favorites work in LMS now anyway. I use ratings and playlist stats to manage my mixes. He probably would not care about them. How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? Three libraries - All Music, Sue's Music, Russ's Music. Each person would only have his or her library from his or her controller. In our house, it would most likely be iPeng. So his iPhone and iPad would default to his library, and mine would default to my library. Either of us would have the ability to swap over to All Music in order to choose music to be added to our individual libraries. As we are listening, also, we could flag music to be removed from our individual library but still keep it accessible from all music. Perhaps within both of our separate libraries, there could be a sub-library or smart library which would allow us to restrict music to only those items that reside in both libraries, so when we are together we can enjoy only the music we both like. MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks for asking about this, Erland. I've been hoping for this for a long time, and support for multiple users within a family would make an immense difference for m. erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? Yes. However, it is important to understand what library means. I use your multilibrary to setup different libraries for different family members. However, these libraries may overlap if, for example, everyone likes classic rock. If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? All music is stored on a NAS. As above, I use multilibrary to create views for family members. If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? Yes. As described in the classic rock example above. Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ?Yes Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ?Yes Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ?Yes, this is critically important. The kids don't care how I rate a song. They only care how they rate it. One important point here is that the notion of user is distinct from library. If my kids are browsing in my library and rating songs, they are creating their own ratings, not modifying my ratings. Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ?A little bit, but it isn't uncommon to use someone else' player. If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ?All players should be controllable by everyone. Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ?Also have shared remote controls If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ?Squeezebox controller How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ?As described above, I'd like the system to have a notion of users, with customized ratings, statistics, and views of the entire music repository (My daughter sometimes likes to browse my library, so libraries should not be completely hidden from different users). Any support in this direction would be huge. mps's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? Yes. Me and my wife. I want ot browse the full library, my wife wants to browse only a subset of the artists she likes. If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? On a common Windows server for the time being running WIndows 7. If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? If I understand the question corretly the answer is Yes. We havea shared library where my wife only wants to see a subset of it. Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? Nice to have but not esssential Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? Nice to have but not essential Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? Nice to have but not essential The rest are scenarios we don't use much at home so we can live with any decision on those points. Thanks for looking into it Erland. Aguida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? No, but this could easily be done in LMS using your multi library plugin, when for each family member a respective folder in the common music file store is established. If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? Central server, otherwise backing up would be a nightmare, and I want anyway to have a common library. If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? To have a shared library is a must, at least when there is a certain overlap in music taste or when you want to suit all different music tastes at a certain occasion when the family is together Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? Playlists are not used. Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? Favorites are not used. Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? Ratings are not used. Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? All rooms where music could be listened have a respective squeezebox player. To my opinion there is no need for restrictions. Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? Yes, in principle If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? Yes, as well, in principle. Some rooms are equipped with the Logitech remote. Besides this, IPhones and IPads owned by respective family members can be used, by means of IPeng or Squeezepad. How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? The squeezeboxes (plural radios, one SB2, one touch, one transporter + spare devices bought after the Logitech decision) and IPhones / IPads with IPeng / Squeezepad under LMS with your multilibrary plugin and musicip, LastFM, Pandora, internet radio stations (stations which can also be received via FM as well as only internet stations) are fine, no need for additional functionalities. I prefer to own the music instead to pay for services such as Spotify, which of course is a nice option to have. Thank you very much for your plugins and your efforts, in particular with respect to Ickstream, to maintain a ecosystem on the niveau we currently have with LMS. Otto-Wilhelm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Not quite an answer to the questions posed, but I would find the ability to 'partition' the library into discrete subsets very helpful. Something like the existing 'Switch Library', but without having to switch server. I think some other commenters may also have alluded to same. mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? Me, wife, 2 computer + tablet using daughters (17 14.5), son (8.5) without own access to the system. Only myself and the eldest daughter are active users of the system. Wife can't be bothered to try, only complains when it's not to her taste ;) If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? 1 central server (Windows Server 2008 R2 Active Directory domain controller at the moment, 17TB of storage for all music, video, photo's user data). Mediamonkey on separate computers for syncing to non-connected portable devices. Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? Daughter(s) would probably like that, I don't have the need Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? Daughter(s) would probably like that, I don't have the need Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? No Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? Yes, the individual computers, using Squeezeplay at the moment, will be Squeezelite in the future, controlled with their own Android tablet/smartphone, using official logitech app for the daughters. I use Squeezeplayer + official Logitech app on my Android tablet, Squeezepad on the iPad, and control the Touch from both tablets + my android smartphone If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? I want to keep full control of all players, the daughters should not be able to control mine :D Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? Individual controllers + Harmony 525 If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? Shared: Harmony 525, mainly just used to power up the amp + Touch, and to skip a track if it doesn't please at that moment. Also used to start a new random song mix (pre-configured to give only 1 track, after which Sugarcube takes over). How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? At the moment I'm extremely pleased with the way my system works: - 1x Touch in the living room, synched to - 1x computer with Squeezeplay + touchscreen in kitchen - My Android tablet, synced or unsynced as situation requires - Daughters computers with Squeezeplay, synced or unsynced as situation requires - iPad, synced or unsynced as situation requires Squeezeplay will get changed to Squeezelite when PC's get upgraded to Windows 8, Touch will move to kitchen when the community funded replacement becomes a reality and actually sounds better. This will free up the current PC (a Panasonic Toughbook) to move to my car, so I can have a mobile LMS, with also Squeezelite over A2DP to the car stereo, controlled through the steering wheel controls :D bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Just me and my wife, unless the kids come over. Never really had the money to buy lots of CD's, so we only have about 1000 tracks on my computer. It's only on when I'm using it, so LMS is almost never used. We stick with online services and stations almost all of the time. I do use LMS when I'm having people over and want to play specific music, but that's about it. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually? No. ... keep track of playlists for each family member? No - we share the few we use. ... favorites for each family member? Don't have favorites. If we don't like it, it's not in the library! ... ratings and playback statistics for each family member? No. Does each family member have individual players? No - we share the Duet and the Boom. Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone? We share them all, although we generally use our own Androids. If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer? The Duet Controller (rarely used anymore), a Boom IR remote, 2 Androids using Squeeze Commander (95% of the time) and Mysqueezebox.com on the computer. How would your dream system work to work as well as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family? For the little bit we use it, it works fine for us right now. kc5f's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19652 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'd like to thank everyone who have answered on my questions in the initial post so far and I'm just posting this to lift up the thread in case some people missed it the first time. The intention with the thread was to get a feeling if there is a need for better support for music listening in families or if the current Squeezebox way is good enough. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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We've never needed separate libraries, and I hadn't really thought about it because I like having access to everything. But after reading some of the previous comments, I do have to agree that it might be nice to have the option of making a subset of the whole library available for the wife or guests to browse. I have tons of jazz and classical albums that she never puts on, so being able to give her a smaller set to choose from might be nice. In our case, it could just be as simple as allowing a top-level selection (or deselection) of certain multiple genres, before going into the artist/album level. I know you can brows by genre now, but it's one genre at a time. Being able to start at the top and just select or eliminate a group of multiple genres, and then browse, would be useful. The master library is stored centrally, and is always up and available. Keeping track of playlists and favorites is something that we haven't had a problem with in the past, because there were never more than 50 or so of each. But now the number of playlists and favorites is growing, so a means of organizing them (into folders by genre/person/whatever) is something I'm thinking about. I know there are already some plugins out there that might be useful in this regard, but I haven't yet looked into them. I think a simple hierarchical organization for grouping playlists and favorites would be sufficient, just something to keep them all from being jumbled together and having to sift through a long list all at once. We don't need access restrictions, either to specific players or to specific tracks. These days, control is commonly via smartphones (Android), but still sometimes on the players themselves (Touches, Radios and Booms), and the Duet Controllers do still get used from time to time. The IR remotes pretty much never get used. Right now, playing of local music is working very well for our needs. Apart from the increasing pressure to add some kind of organization to the growing number of playlists and favorites (which might be taken care of using existing plugins), we haven't been really yearning for any new functionality. We're pretty vanilla with the system; I haven't even experimented much with the plugins that are out there, because there hasn't seemed to be much need to. One thing I do like is having tracks scrobbled to lastFM; my understanding is that when mysb.com get shut down that will stop. If scrobbling could continue to work, that would be nice. It isn't a critical function, but it is a nicety. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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With just me and the wife and with our musical tastes being mostly similar we find that having a single library fits our needs just fine. Central server that is on 24/7 so local music is always available, almost never use online services and players NEVER switch to MySB.com. The usage difference is my wife normally uses the controllers and goes by artist. I prefer the WebUI as I think it's way more robust when looking for something. Plug-in usage is pretty much SQL/Dynamic playlist. We're pretty vanilla in our usage. w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? No, 1 library If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? ReadyNas for all If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? No Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? No Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? No Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? No Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? Yes , 5 players available to all, room based. Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? 4 controllers for 2 people If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? 2 Duet controllers, 2 android tablets with Logitech Squeezebox controller How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? The only change I would make, today, would be to have multiple Random Play selection lists. Not playlists, or genre limited play. mark wollschlager's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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2 adults, 3 kids (9, 6, 3). 1 Squeezebox server, 4 Squeezeboxes, 1 docked iPeng client (iPod Touch), plus the occasional Android phone client (Squeeze Player). Using IR remotes, the iPod, and several Android devices as remotes. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? Yes, I have. So far I've split out (via the Custom Libraries plug-in) audiobooks, podcasts, but not individual music libraries, leading my spouse to browse by file name (rather than library/tags) to locate her music. If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? Central computer. (I guess in the future (as my kids grow older) we'll have several computers and portable devices that we need to integrate into the streaming solution, either online or via occasional sync operations.) If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? Yes. Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? Yes; in particular, the current playback position of the current playlist. This is in fact my major gripe with the setup right now: I regularly listen to long podcasts, and I often lose my resume position when another family member listens to something else in between. Ideally, the current track's resume position (and perhaps the current playlist as well) should be bookmarked for later use whenever an active (resumable) playlist is replaced with a new one. Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? No, and no. Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? No, all players are shared (mostly -- the iPod Touch and the phones are personal device). If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? I'd welcome the ability to restrict which player / smartphone app instance can control which other player. Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? Some individual (phones, iPod), some shared (IR remotes, Android tablet). I also occasionally use the server's web interface to control the clients. How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? Ideally, the portables should sync their entire music library to a local server (or a cloud service such as Google Music or Amazon, for people who don't have privacy concerns), and the clients should stream it from there. Streaming directly from the portables seems too fragile to me. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi, In article erland.5re...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com, erlanderland.5re...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? Make do without it at the moment, but that would be nice. If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? Central NAS, all served by Slimserver. Snapshots of the entire library on my wife's phone, entire library on 'my' MP3 player (which tends to get taken with us on family trips). If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? That would also be nice, yes. Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? Would be nice, but don't use playlists much. Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? Would be nice, yes. Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? Don't use this sort of thing at the moment. Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? I'm assuming you're talking about networked players here rather than portable ones. We have two Squeezeboxes in the house, one connected to the system in the living room, and another Boom in the bedroom that acts as my alarm clock and a Radio for listening to overnight. I also listen at work via SqueezePlay, and on my phone via SqueezePlayer. No need to restrict things as yet. When my 4 year old is a bit older might consider a player in her bedroom. In that case, I might want to restrict some of the music to prevent her playing it (Rage Against the Machine for example!) Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? My wife and I both have Smartphones. I use mine to control the system sometimes, but a lot is done using the IR remote to control the device (SB2) directly. We own a Controller, but it dies as soon as you take it out of the cradle so it's not much use! How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? 1 shared library available to all. 3 individual libraries that can be browsed seperately by each family member if required (to give them access to all the music, but allow them to browse their own easier if required). Ability to restrict certain tracks / albums from playback on certain players (no Rage Against the Machine in my daughter's room for example). Would be nice to be able to automatically transcode the library from FLAC (the majority of my library is whole-CD FLAC files) to Ogg (or another lossy format) for syncing with the portable players. I do this with some Python currently so it's not a deal-breaker. Andy ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? I don't believe so. I'm curious why this is an issue for people. Do people have lots of explicit tracks they don't want their kids near? Or are they embarrassed to see certain artists in their list? I prefer to give my kids access to the whole library in the (possibly vain) hope they may actually listen to some of the oldie music and like it! erland wrote: If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? On a central server for the whole family. Having multiple libraries would make backing up a nightmare. erland wrote: Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? I can see the benefits of individual playlists, although this could be mediated by asking them to prefix their playlists with their names. erland wrote: Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? OK I see where you're coming from now. Yes, having individual favourites lists would be a nice feature, mainly to avoid crap appearing in my favourites lists. erland wrote: Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? Currently I'm the only one who can rate tracks. As my kids get older I can see them having stronger views on my ratings, so yes it would be nice. erland wrote: Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? Not at the moment, but it's something I would like to do in the future, such as giving the kids some Booms (or Community-Booms!). erland wrote: If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? I don't think so. Yes they may find it funny to remotely control the Boom in the parent's bedroom, but the novelty would soon wear off ;-) erland wrote: Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? Shared at the moment, but I suspect they'll have smartphones in a few years. erland wrote: If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? A Controller, and a repurposed Joggler. erland wrote: How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? I'm reluctant to give this a lot of thought, as I suspect my needs will change. Right now, a UI that the kids -want -to use would be nice - I find them heading for Windows Media Centre to play music all too often, because (in their opinion) the UI is better for local music. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Probably off-topic: the easiest interface to use is the Touch - I like the simple layout AND the ability to have presets. The squeezeplay/squeezelite interface is great because it simulates the Touch (up to a point) but sadly doesn't have a preset facility. I've found all the androidy apps too fiddly to work with. As for music, we tend to limit our choices to either Artist and/or Album ... but then we're probably old school brought up on a box or shelf full of those funny LP album sleeves!!! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Me, the wife and 11 year old boy. Central server For control we use handhelds, smart phones, ipod and inbuilt control on radio and boom. My wife only ever listens to BBC Radio 4, but my son listens to music. I'd like desperate logins for my son and I such that at least our libraries were separate. Ideally all would be separate, favourites, playlists, online accounts, tailored menus, colour schemes, setting etc. I do not want Justin Thingy in my mixes or his badly tagged music messing up my nicely ordered collection. However, as he gets older I would like to have access to his music and he already wants access to mine (he's particularly fond of Flight of the Conchords). I'd like to be able to create smart mixes and random mixes from my library, his library or from both and have him able to do it too. I do not want him to be able to add to my favourites or change my music set up or collection in any way. It might be handy to be able to bar him from controlling any players I choose to. Not too much to ask heh? :-) ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? 1. Yes. 2. NAS and portable devices. 3. No. 4. No. 5. No. 6. No. 7. Yes. No restrictions. 8. Both. 9. All. 10. An easy way to choose library. bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? I don't do this, but it would be helpful for my wife to have her own library. If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? central computer (vortexbox server) If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? If used individual libraries, yes I do need shared as well. Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? yes. Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? yes. Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? NO Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? NO If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? Not applicable Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? yes, but also share If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? each have iphone/ipad, but also share a CONTROLLER garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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simbo wrote: I don't believe so. I'm curious why this is an issue for people. Do people have lots of explicit tracks they don't want their kids near? Or are they embarrassed to see certain artists in their list? For me it doesn't matter, I'm happy seeing everything. My wife would prefer to not have such overwhelming choices. She wants to see only the stuff she's interested in. We mostly share musical tastes, but out of my 70,000 tracks, she's interested in about 10,000 of them and would just as soon not even see the other ones garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? Does each family member have individual players which only one of the family members mostly use ? If so, should all players be controllable by everyone or do you want access to certain players to be restricted ? In that case why ? Does each family member have their individual remote control/smartphone to control the players or do you also have remote controls which you share between different family members ? If you have a remote control which you share between multiple family members, is it a IR-remote, smartphone, tablet or computer ? How would your dream system work to work as good as possible for usage of local music on Squeezeboxes and portable devices in your family ? Our household is myself, my wife, 2 boys (4 and 6) and 1 girl (9). It would be nice if each user could browse their library separately. That would make it easier for my kids to browse their music within the larger library. What would be cool is if each user could comprise their library themselves from the entire library, much in the way Rhapsody works. Though it would be good to do this at any level, not just an album/track level. For instance, a user should be able to from the top level say add entire library to my library, or add an entire genre to their library, or everything by an artist to their library. Same thing for remove. Our music files are all stored on a central server. They are in flac and mp3 format. Flac is for squeezebox server and mp3 is for itunes. There are ipods and andriod devices in the house. As my daughter gets older, I can see how a need will come up for having a separate music library accessable by my squeezeboxes. If we had multiple libraries, I would definitely want a common shared library as well. My kids to enjoy some of my music. My wife and I would have a lot of overlap in our libraries. For squeezeboxes in common areas (kitchen, family room), I would want seamless access to all libraries. All libraries would have to appear as one large library. If playlists, favorites, and track stats could be tracked on a per user basis, that would be awesome! The boundary should not be the individual's library. This means content can be part of multiple libraries. Yes, there are players used mostly by certain family memebers - these are the booms in each bedroom. I would not want to restrict control though. It's happened where one of my kids would come downstairs saying they want to listen to xyz while they are going to sleep. As they walk back up to their room, I'll pull out my andriod device and cue up their request for them as well as set the sleep timer on it. There are multiple smart devices in the house for control (my daughter's ipod, my ipod and my andriod devices). The controller and remote controls are regularly used too. The main shared controller is the duet controller. it is in the kitchen, so it is centrally located. My wife doesn't have a smart phone or smart device, so she uses the controller. I'm the only one that really uses an iPod or andriod device. My daughter will use her ipod in her room as a controller. We can live with the squeezebox the way it is now, but being able to create library subsets on a per-user basis would be helpful...especially as the kids get older. maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: For me it doesn't matter, I'm happy seeing everything. My wife would prefer to not have such overwhelming choices. She wants to see only the stuff she's interested in. We mostly share musical tastes, but out of my 70,000 tracks, she's interested in about 10,000 of them and would just as soon not even see the other ones I still have an 'empeg player' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empeg) (the first in-car mp3 player from almost 15 years ago, arm-based, running linux) in my car. It has an interesting feature - the Wendy Switch (named after a former girfriend of the main designer). A pin on the player could be wired to the seat sensor for the passenger seat airbag, so the player actually knows if you are alone in the car, or have a passenger. You can tag your music, and mark songs, artists or albums so that the Wendy Filter will not show them at all if there is a passenger in the car... :) Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Usage of local music libraries in your family ?
erland wrote: For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use local music libraries in the future. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future. ? Hi, 2 adults, 2 kids 6,7 1) the whole library would be shared, like today 2) a new menu , with user name 3) within this user, you can add artist or album or song to an user list for playing , just pick the user and chose . Pascal pgnyc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Not really using multi library stuff at the moment. What I see as being useful under this topic is the ability to dynamically include folders on pc that are not always there. For example a spouse's laptop may contian some music. Or a kid's. If the server can include this when it's available and hide content if that data is not available. Not really a library but more having folders in a library that can be dynamic. If they are there they are scanned and updated, if not the data is just hidden from view. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: For me it doesn't matter, I'm happy seeing everything. My wife would prefer to not have such overwhelming choices. She wants to see only the stuff she's interested in. We mostly share musical tastes, but out of my 70,000 tracks, she's interested in about 10,000 of them and would just as soon not even see the other ones +1 on this. My wife actually gets annoyed that our music library is so big. She likes to have maybe 10 to 20 albums that she routinely listens to with the ability to change those to a different set whenever the whim hits. Most of the time she still prefers pulling CDs off the rack, despite all the music being readily accessible via a Touch or SB3. If she had her own 'favorites' with the ability to change them whenever she wants to, that might break her CD habit. Maybe. mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mdconnelly wrote: +1 on this. My wife actually gets annoyed that our music library is so big. She likes to have maybe 10 to 20 albums that she routinely listens to with the ability to change those to a different set whenever the whim hits. Most of the time she still prefers pulling CDs off the rack, despite all the music being readily accessible via a Touch or SB3. If she had her own 'favorites' with the ability to change them whenever she wants to, that might break her CD habit. Maybe. When visitors are impressed with my automated, server based music setup (the guys), my wife says to the wives something along the lines of I can't find anything anymoreI wish I could just pull out the CDs instead. This said, my wife doesn't realize that she has become 100% addicted to internet radio and sirusXM being at her fingertips. She easily flips between about 4 or 5 different sources every morning and every evening on return from work. Of course because all these are saved as favorites and at her fingertips in the Controller, she doesn't even quite realize what she's actually doing with a few presses on the Controller. Even the amp is autosensing, so she has NOTHING to actually turn on.press a key, hear sound in seconds (in 5 different rooms no less). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: I still have an 'empeg player' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empeg) (the first in-car mp3 player from almost 15 years ago, arm-based, running linux) in my car. It has an interesting feature - the Wendy Switch (named after a former girfriend of the main designer). A pin on the player could be wired to the seat sensor for the passenger seat airbag, so the player actually knows if you are alone in the car, or have a passenger. You can tag your music, and mark songs, artists or albums so that the Wendy Filter will not show them at all if there is a passenger in the car... :) Very cool. Ok, now I'm imagining a home system that knows who is in the house and bases random play on info from that fact. So when my wife is in the house, the random music choices exclude certain things (Grateful Dead live shows!). Maybe it knows because it picks up that my wife's iphone is connected to our local network. And maybe we register our friends, so that when their smartphones connect to our network, the playlist is modified to better fit their tastes. When Bob comes over, it plays more Blues. When MaryJane comes over it plays more 80s powerpop, etc. This sounds a lot like what I recall reading about Bill Gates house he built a few years ago. When you entered a room, the house knew who you were and the digital artwork, lighting, and music changed to fit your predetermined profile. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library individually ? Nope erland wrote: If so, where are the music files stored ? On a central computer/NAS, on a computer/NAS per family member or on the portable device of each family member ? NAS erland wrote: If you have individual libraries, do you also have a need for shared libraries which is common for multiple family members ? No erland wrote: Do you have a need to keep track of playlists for each family member ? Yep, I use; http://spicefly.com/article.php?page=spicefly-voyager you/anybody is welcome to use it as a framework and expand it. :) erland wrote: Do you have a need to keep track of favorites for each family member ? erland wrote: Do you have a need to keep track of ratings and playback statistics for each family member ? In part, it would be great for TrackStat to be per player specific, even just enabled/disabled. I have a player that I use while drumming so I jump tracks a lot, so its obviously changing the stats for tracks even though I dont want them changed. I've thought many times about adding per player functionality or mentioning it but never got around to it :) cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It's my wife and me, no kids. We have one library on a VB server. We keep things separate with individual Genres, mine start with J_ and hers start with C_, there are overlap in genre types but we keep them separate. In the same way playlists etc are labeled with a J_ or C_. We have to be careful when ripping to make sure the right genres are used. We have separate players, and our own separate android phones and IR remotes in the different rooms. My wife prefers the older SB3/IR remote interface and I'm mostly using phone/squeezeplay interface although sometimes I use the IR remote when the phone won't connect to the wifi for some reason. Remote lock out is not really an issue. Although once or twice while I was playing with settings and running tests on a Touch in the lab it accidentally went to her sewing room, she almost hit the ceiling when this blast of pink noise came out! My wife has an iPod, we use VBs MP3 sync for that. If we could have a system that supported multiple libraries and it was easy to switch between them, that would be ideal. We do occasionally listen to music in each other's set and do need to switch once in a while. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98199 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
