Re: [discuss] data base in OOo2?
Away from the control panel I don't see any substancial difference with the 1.1.4 version. Can someone shed some explanation of some 'real' changes (on the UI) on OOoBase from 1.x to 2.x? -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por Don Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Pre criticism disclaimer - I LIKE Open Office a lot and appreciate all the work done on it] for once I think following the Microsoft model is a bad idea The Lotus Approach database - though not so well updated as MS - is better and more user friendly in its interface - and also uses multiple database formats Why is more difficult to answer - I simply find it more intuitive (though it needs learning) It has also been possible to obtain it much more cheaply too which has helped. Regards Adrian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: data base in OOo2?
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:48, bealach wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: bealach wrote: I was only reporting what PC World said, wasn't I? Yes. The point I was trying to make is that we can't fix it if we don't know what the problem is. PCWorld was totally unspecific about Ooo db, neither did they say why Access was not very good (but M$ software isn't good anyway). I have not tried OOo2 so I wouldn't know. Judging from comments I have heard from various PC techies, MS Access's problem is that it is only good for small databases, and falls over once you try anything above a certain size. Since OO.org connects to _serious_ databases of all shapes and sizes, I don't see that as being a problem with OO.org. Regards, bealach Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] publisher
I guess I am not the only one suggesting using Scribus as a replacement for publisher. This note is relevant on why business are NOT doing MS Publisher anymore: http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/06/1545203 -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ - Mensaje reenviado de Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Fecha: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:03:00 +0300 De: Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Responder-A: Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [discuss] publisher Para: discuss@openoffice.org Only if you are in Linux, but this is the FAQ from SCRIBUS: Will there be a windows version of Scribus ? A native Win32 port is underway by one of the Scribus developers. There is no targeted date for completion. It is possible, but not really easy to build Scribus with Cygwin and the KDE-Cygwin packages from source, but there are still issues to solve. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por Richard Bravenboer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I love the program but what i would like to know is if there is an open sorce program like microsoft Publisher? If that is so, then i can get rid of microsoft office. With regards, Richard Bravenboer - Fin del mensaje reenviado - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] publisher
Usually the reason is how this people got introduced to Publishing software. MS Publisher comes from MSO. Same can be sayed with FrontPage even if Dreamweaver is ages ahead in windows. BTW I just download NVU and they are getting there, the new support for Layers are great. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Scribus does seem interesting, but I am curious as to how people ended up with MS-Publisher in the first place. The main closed source tools would be PageMaker, Quark, FrameMaker, or InDesign. What does scribus do better or worse that other open source tools like LaTeX or OOo Draw? I have been able to do a lot with OOo Draw, but would like to be able to link text frames / boxes. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents harm all Net-based business, write your MEP: http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I guess I am not the only one suggesting using Scribus as a replacement for publisher. This note is relevant on why business are NOT doing MS Publisher anymore: http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/06/1545203 -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] publisher
On Ven 8 avril 2005 13:07, Lars D. Noodén a écrit : Scribus does seem interesting, but I am curious as to how people ended up with MS-Publisher in the first place. Same reason as they ended up with word and excel : it was cheaper than the alternatives at the time. Contrary to word though I don't think publisher evolved to anything serious (probably because there is too much overlap with word) -- Nicolas Mailhot - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] publisher
Ok, from the responses, it sounds like MS-Publisher is around because it was bundled for a while with other MS products. Perhaps an article or tutorial or HOWTO on the topic of using OOo for flyers or newsletters is in order. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents harm all Net-based business, write your MEP: http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO.o1.9.91 window docking issue?
Hi Jamie, Jamie Borg wrote: I've freshly downloaded the new beta from betanews.com and am having difficulties to dock the Navigator and Stylist using any of the CTL, ALT or Shift keys and moving the mouse into any of the sides or corners. Anyone else having this problem? The help doesn't mention how to activate docking other than double clicking. which doesn't work for me either. System = Windows XP SP2 same problem over here... Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: data base in OOo2?
On Friday 08 April 2005 02:54, Wesley Parish wrote: snip... Judging from comments I have heard from various PC techies, MS Access's problem is that it is only good for small databases, and falls over once you try anything above a certain size. Since OO.org connects to _serious_ databases of all shapes and sizes, I don't see that as being a problem with OO.org. This is good to know. I am trying to help move a union over to OOo. They are balking about Access. So how easy is it to move to say PostgreSQL on Windows and Linux with OOo? Does it take a serious genius to hook OOo up with PostgreSQL? christian einfeldt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Hide All toolbars
I've noticed something that I don't particularely like in OOo. When I deselect toolbars from the View menu in Writer, or other OOo components, they will disapear for that session. When I come back into OOo, they'll be back again. Now this wouldn't be so bad, except that there isn't a hide all toolbars option in the toolbars menu. That would be really nice to have. Rigel __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Hausa localized?
Christian, I'm copying this message to the Native-Lang list. You might want to tell this young man to subscrive to that list and discuss the idea with Charles. Cheers, Daniel. On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 12:46:56PM -0700, Christian Einfeldt wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if Hausa, an African language, has a localization project in the works? I know a teenager who is interested in exploring the idea. No guarantees, of course, and I have explained how tough a localization project can be, but this kid loves languages. I didn't see Hausa on our native lang project list. http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html If not, that is too bad, because apparently Hausa is quite widely distributed across Western Africa: http://www.college.indiana.edu/foreignlanguage/hausa/hausaSpoken.shtml That link above might be a good seed program for OOo Hausa. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Daniel Carrera | I don't want it perfect, Join OOoAuthors today! | I want it Tuesday. http://oooauthors.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] interesting article on MSFT
Bruce Byfield has written a really very interesting analysis of Microsoft's latest foray against OSS. It's worthwhile reading, especially as it should urge us here to come up with good reasons why OSS is better than MSFT. See http://trends.newsforge.com/trends/05/04/01/2122210.shtml?tid=152tid= 148 Best, louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] publisher
Mensaje citado por Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 19:43, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le vendredi 08 avril 2005 à 11:23 -0700, Chris BONDE a écrit : Right ON! Similar questions from brochure to newsletters to booklets have been asked. Chris Ok, from the responses, it sounds like MS-Publisher is around because it was bundled for a while with other MS products. Perhaps an article or tutorial or HOWTO on the topic of using OOo for flyers or newsletters is in order. A real dtp mode would be better. Publisher sucks, but dtp itself is so much more powerful than word processing. Had publisher and word been published at the same time, I'm not so sure word would not be the ugly office duckling now. Of course word processing can work in text mode, so by the time publisher was feasible word was already well established at Microsoft. But how many serious DTP people actualy use MS Publisher? Not many. They pay more money for Quark etc because its better. The concept of a document processor was late coming to the PC. Since 1990 and outline scalable fonts there really has been no technological reason to spearate WP from DTP apart perhaps from marketing. You could write a fully functioned DTP package and run it on a PDA these days. A well designed application with a well designed UI can cover all that is needed. The fact that graphics handling in Word is weak compared to that in a DTP package is not a technological issue. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMS Ltd Well actually the reason of this post has nothing to do on evaluating if Publisher is better or not. The post were developed because an end user wonder if there was an alternative of MS Publisher in Open Source. Unfortunately there is not (under windows) unless you go through the process of emulating unix, X11 and gtk runtime so you can run Scribus in windows. Saying that, Draw can also be used for dtp, not 'serious one' but good enough to acomplish basic tasks. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO.o1.9.91 window docking issue?
Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jamie, Jamie Borg wrote: I've freshly downloaded the new beta from betanews.com and am having difficulties to dock the Navigator and Stylist using any of the CTL, ALT or Shift keys and moving the mouse into any of the sides or corners. Anyone else having this problem? The help doesn't mention how to activate docking other than double clicking. which doesn't work for me either. System = Windows XP SP2 same problem over here... Cor I'm not sure if the behaviour is the same in Windows but in 1.9.91 on SuSE you don't have to hold any keys. Just click hold and drag to whichever side. In fact if you hold any keys down it won't dock. HTH Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] interesting article on MSFT
--- Louis Suarez-Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Byfield has written a really very interesting analysis of Microsoft's latest foray against OSS. It's worthwhile reading, especially as it should urge us here to come up with good reasons why OSS is better than MSFT. See http://trends.newsforge.com/trends/05/04/01/2122210.shtml?tid=152tid= 148 Best, louis Thanks for this Louis. Read it. I won't comment. I have to be neurotic over this topic for a while first. LOL Rigel __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO.o1.9.91 window docking issue?
--- Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jamie, Jamie Borg wrote: I've freshly downloaded the new beta from betanews.com and am having difficulties to dock the Navigator and Stylist using any of the CTL, ALT or Shift keys and moving the mouse into any of the sides or corners. Anyone else having this problem? The help doesn't mention how to activate docking other than double clicking. which doesn't work for me either. System = Windows XP SP2 same problem over here... Cor I'm not sure if the behaviour is the same in Windows but in 1.9.91 on SuSE you don't have to hold any keys. Just click hold and drag to whichever side. In fact if you hold any keys down it won't dock. HTH Cheers Yo That's been my experience. Anyone else? Rigel __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] interesting article on MSFT
On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 21:53, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Bruce Byfield has written a really very interesting analysis of Microsoft's latest foray against OSS. It's worthwhile reading, especially as it should urge us here to come up with good reasons why OSS is better than MSFT. Because without it MSFT would not even be considering the changes they are discussing. So if for no other reason that the competion forces MS to be more customer conscious. This provides OSS with higher level goals and then all technology gets better from the user point of view either because of better technology or lower prices or both. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMS Ltd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] publisher
On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 22:44, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Well publisher is a dtp joke actually. I wasn't writing let's do publisher but let's add a serious dtp mode to oo.o It'll have to get in the queue behind a lot of other rfes unless you know a source to fund the development. (For those who've never touched anything but a word processor : in dtp you write text by the kilometer then pour it in pretty presentation molds. Sometimes the writing and the presenting are not even done by the same team. In wisiwig word processors the damn thing does not let you forget about the presentation a single second, so you do half-hearted attempts at presentation while your text isn't finished yet, at by the time you get to prettifying things most of those attempts either stand in the way like the cruft they really hard or are just plain obsolete since you've reworked you text dozens of time since then) There really isn't any need to separate the two if you have the stuctures in which to pour your text or type it in directly. It really shouldn't make much difference Writer is actually a bit worse even than word in this regard btw, at least word got a serious plan mode. Both are significantly worse in that respect than Impression Publisher on the Acorn RISC OS platform in the early 90s. Impression Publisher could be used quite happily for both word processing and DTP on a 25 MHz machine with 4 meg of RAM but then it was written largely written in Assembler optimised for one processor. In fact a Psion netBook is in hardware terms considerably more powerful than those machines. This seems to indicate that coding efficiency is more important than hardware performance but there are very low expectations in this respect because people believe products like MS Word and MS Publisher represent state of the art hi-tec and that code efficiency doesn't matter too much because hardware keeps getting more powerful. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMS Ltd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: OO.o1.9.91 window docking issue?
Hi, Just fired up writer and tried what you suggest... no key pressing while dragging the window to the corner. No go. WinXP only issue? Rigel wrote: --- Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jamie, Jamie Borg wrote: I've freshly downloaded the new beta from betanews.com and am having difficulties to dock the Navigator and Stylist using any of the CTL, ALT or Shift keys and moving the mouse into any of the sides or corners. Anyone else having this problem? The help doesn't mention how to activate docking other than double clicking. which doesn't work for me either. System = Windows XP SP2 same problem over here... Cor I'm not sure if the behaviour is the same in Windows but in 1.9.91 on SuSE you don't have to hold any keys. Just click hold and drag to whichever side. In fact if you hold any keys down it won't dock. HTH Cheers Yo That's been my experience. Anyone else? Rigel __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: publisher
Ian Lynch wrote: On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 22:44, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Well publisher is a dtp joke actually. I wasn't writing let's do publisher but let's add a serious dtp mode to oo.o It'll have to get in the queue behind a lot of other rfes unless you know a source to fund the development. (For those who've never touched anything but a word processor : in dtp you write text by the kilometer then pour it in pretty presentation molds. Sometimes the writing and the presenting are not even done by the same team. In wisiwig word processors the damn thing does not let you forget about the presentation a single second, so you do half-hearted attempts at presentation while your text isn't finished yet, at by the time you get to prettifying things most of those attempts either stand in the way like the cruft they really hard or are just plain obsolete since you've reworked you text dozens of time since then) There really isn't any need to separate the two if you have the stuctures in which to pour your text or type it in directly. It really shouldn't make much difference Writer is actually a bit worse even than word in this regard btw, at least word got a serious plan mode. Both are significantly worse in that respect than Impression Publisher on the Acorn RISC OS platform in the early 90s. Impression Publisher could be used quite happily for both word processing and DTP on a 25 MHz machine with 4 meg of RAM but then it was written largely written in Assembler optimised for one processor. In fact a Psion netBook is in hardware terms considerably more powerful than those machines. This seems to indicate that coding efficiency is more important than hardware performance but there are very low expectations in this respect because people believe products like MS Word and MS Publisher represent state of the art hi-tec and that code efficiency doesn't matter too much because hardware keeps getting more powerful. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: publisher
Sorry about the double-post, I hit Send prematurely. Ian Lynch wrote: Both are significantly worse in that respect than Impression Publisher on the Acorn RISC OS platform in the early 90s. Impression Publisher could be used quite happily for both word processing and DTP on a 25 MHz machine with 4 meg of RAM but then it was written largely written in Assembler optimised for one processor. Bingo. That's ultimately the key to all your praise for the efficiency of your beloved Acorn. In fact a Psion netBook is in hardware terms considerably more powerful than those machines. This seems to indicate that coding efficiency is more important than hardware performance but there are very low expectations in this respect because people believe products like MS Word and MS Publisher represent state of the art hi-tec and that code efficiency doesn't matter too much because hardware keeps getting more powerful. If you code in Assembler you will certainly (well if you know what you're doing anyway, I guess) get faster, more efficient, optimized code. But at what price? Platform portability for one thing. And development will take a lot longer and be more expensive. Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Hausa localized?
Christian wrote: Does anyone know if Hausa, an African language, has a localization project in the works I _think_ I've read about some L10N projects on the A12N list. I have explained how tough a localization project can be, but this kid loves languages. OOo should not be the first L10N project a team works on. My current thinking is that anybody who proposes an NLP for OOo should point to at least two other programs that their team has localized into the target language.[One or two glossaries don't count.] That way the volunteers have a rough idea of what they are going to get involved in. It is one thing to tell a person that it will take a minimum of 10 000 person-hours to translate the GUI interface for OOo. It is another thing for a team to realize exactly what that means. Pootle and Rosetta lower the learning curve in using translation tools. They do not however, lower the amount of time required to do the actual translation. Kazunari wrote: And we help NLPs to form an African NL Group where they The A12N lists try to serve that function across L10N projects. Doesn't always work out for various reasons. [The biggest one being that those lists are more academically orientated, than project orientated.] A12N also crops up on translate-i18N and related lists. Of course, in another sense, both Rosetta and Pootle have a sub-function of forming a nucleus for an Pan-African NL Group. From my perspective, one of the biggest issues in A12N, is that the various L10N projects have a case of not invented here syndrome. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
