Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Damián Pérez]

I agree.

Very good Idea,

El sábado, 28 de abril de 2012 03:05:27 UTC-5, Russell Keith-Magee escribió:
>
> Hi Dana, 
>
> I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of 
> djangoproject.com going for quite some time under the auspices of the 
> Django Foundation. As you can see from the lack of changes, you can see 
> that I haven't been particularly successful :-( 
>
> The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our 
> disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there 
> aren't many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just 
> that they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django 
> design community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some 
> initial work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like 
> djangoproject.com is a big job, and nobody has been able to spare the 
> time to bring the job to completion. 
>
> So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by 
> committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or 
> a small group) and give them complete control over design process. I'm not 
> completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are 
> welcome. 
>
> If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you 
> the design brief we've been working with. 
>
> Yours, 
> Russ Magee %-) 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote: 
>
> > So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), 
> maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the 
> project ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)? 
> > 
> > Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially 
> contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't 
> think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could 
> use a bit of a facelift. 
> > 
> > I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm 
> sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we 
> could open up some discussion on this idea? 
> > 
> > Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group! 
> > 
> > Cheers, 
> > Dana 
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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Wim Feijen]

Oops sorry Dana! Thanks Jacob, that's good to hear!

Op dinsdag 9 oktober 2012 23:26:42 UTC+2 schreef Dana Woodman het volgende:
>
> Glad you like the design, but I'm a he. :)
>
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:58:58 AM UTC-7, Wim Feijen wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jacob, 
>>
>> I was wondering whether there were any entries and whether a decision has 
>> been taken to appoint a benevolent redesigner? 
>>
>> Personally I really liked Dana's proposal, marketing-wise, and 
>> considering she raised the question, I would certainly support her. 
>>
>> My apologies if I missed a conversation on the mailing list.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Wim
>>
>> Op donderdag 24 mei 2012 19:14:36 UTC+2 schreef Jacob Kaplan-Moss het 
>> volgende:
>>>
>>> Hi folks -- 
>>>
>>> Thanks so much to everyone who's participated in this thread; I feel 
>>> like there's a lot of useful discussion and brainstorming going on. 
>>>
>>> The DSF board met yesterday and discussed the effort --  we're 
>>> determined to get this done soon. Unfortunately, we ultimately think 
>>> that this collaborative effort isn't working: there's a lot of great 
>>> ideas, but some of the discussion is veering closer to "design by 
>>> committee", and nobody's really empowered to move things forward. 
>>>
>>> Ultimately and sadly, though, great design is at odds to a community 
>>> process: the only way we know to get something we *love* is to find 
>>> someone awesome and let them do their thing. 
>>>
>>> So here's the plan: in the next month we're do exactly that: find 
>>> someone awesome, and give them carte blance on the redesign. We'll of 
>>> course give feedback, and touch base with the community a few times, 
>>> but ultimately we're going to put this thing into one person's hands. 
>>>
>>> If you'd like to become the Benevolent Dictator For This Redesign, 
>>> then please send a proposal to . This 
>>> doesn't need to be formal; we just need to know two things: 
>>>
>>> 1. Can you deliver? Convince us that you'll actually be able to get 
>>> this done: show us a track record of shipping, and explain why you'll 
>>> have time to work on this. We'd like to see this land before DjangoCon 
>>> US in September; can you hit that? 
>>>
>>> 2. Are you awesome? Convince us that your design will rock. This can 
>>> come in the form of a mockup, or previous work, or whatever. Again we 
>>> don't need formal stuff here, and we certainly don't expect spec work. 
>>> We just want to make sure your aesthetic matches ours. 
>>>
>>> A few further notes: 
>>>
>>> * I want to stress the informality of this. We don't need or want a 
>>> full formal proposal like you would for a real client; we just want to 
>>> know that you're awesome and can deliver. If you can prove that to us 
>>> in a few words, do it! 
>>>
>>> * You don't have to do this all yourself; we have quite a few 
>>> volunteers. Importantly, we have *plenty* of people who can help on 
>>> the backend (natch), so really all we need is someone who's great at 
>>> the design side. How much of the actual coding you do is up to you. If 
>>> you've got weaknesses that's complete fine, just tell us what help you 
>>> need and we'll fill it in. You'll be in charge visually and 
>>> aesthetically, but we'll encourage you to delegate as much as you can. 
>>>
>>> * We don't currently have a budget assigned; we're thinking this'll be 
>>> volunteer work. However, the DSF *does* have some funds, and if money 
>>> makes the difference we'll spend it. So if you need money to make it 
>>> happen, tell us. We won't penalize you if you need to get paid (but at 
>>> the same time we hope you recognize we probably can't afford market 
>>> rates). 
>>>
>>> * The deadline is Sunday, June 17th, and we'll aim to make a decision 
>>> that week. 
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone! 
>>>
>>> Jacob 
>>>
>>> PS: I'm deliberately burying this down in the thread instead of 
>>> posting this more publicly. I'd like to avoid this becoming a general 
>>> call; I'm more interested in reaching people who're *already* paying 
>>> attention to this effort. I'd appreciate it, then, if you'd keep this 
>>> call off Reddit, Hacker News, etc. However, if you know someone who 
>>> you think *should* be interested, please forward it onto them! 
>>>
>>

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Dana Woodman]

 

Glad you like the design, but I'm a he. :)

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:58:58 AM UTC-7, Wim Feijen wrote:
>
> Hi Jacob, 
>
> I was wondering whether there were any entries and whether a decision has 
> been taken to appoint a benevolent redesigner? 
>
> Personally I really liked Dana's proposal, marketing-wise, and considering 
> she raised the question, I would certainly support her. 
>
> My apologies if I missed a conversation on the mailing list.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Wim
>
> Op donderdag 24 mei 2012 19:14:36 UTC+2 schreef Jacob Kaplan-Moss het 
> volgende:
>>
>> Hi folks -- 
>>
>> Thanks so much to everyone who's participated in this thread; I feel 
>> like there's a lot of useful discussion and brainstorming going on. 
>>
>> The DSF board met yesterday and discussed the effort --  we're 
>> determined to get this done soon. Unfortunately, we ultimately think 
>> that this collaborative effort isn't working: there's a lot of great 
>> ideas, but some of the discussion is veering closer to "design by 
>> committee", and nobody's really empowered to move things forward. 
>>
>> Ultimately and sadly, though, great design is at odds to a community 
>> process: the only way we know to get something we *love* is to find 
>> someone awesome and let them do their thing. 
>>
>> So here's the plan: in the next month we're do exactly that: find 
>> someone awesome, and give them carte blance on the redesign. We'll of 
>> course give feedback, and touch base with the community a few times, 
>> but ultimately we're going to put this thing into one person's hands. 
>>
>> If you'd like to become the Benevolent Dictator For This Redesign, 
>> then please send a proposal to . This 
>> doesn't need to be formal; we just need to know two things: 
>>
>> 1. Can you deliver? Convince us that you'll actually be able to get 
>> this done: show us a track record of shipping, and explain why you'll 
>> have time to work on this. We'd like to see this land before DjangoCon 
>> US in September; can you hit that? 
>>
>> 2. Are you awesome? Convince us that your design will rock. This can 
>> come in the form of a mockup, or previous work, or whatever. Again we 
>> don't need formal stuff here, and we certainly don't expect spec work. 
>> We just want to make sure your aesthetic matches ours. 
>>
>> A few further notes: 
>>
>> * I want to stress the informality of this. We don't need or want a 
>> full formal proposal like you would for a real client; we just want to 
>> know that you're awesome and can deliver. If you can prove that to us 
>> in a few words, do it! 
>>
>> * You don't have to do this all yourself; we have quite a few 
>> volunteers. Importantly, we have *plenty* of people who can help on 
>> the backend (natch), so really all we need is someone who's great at 
>> the design side. How much of the actual coding you do is up to you. If 
>> you've got weaknesses that's complete fine, just tell us what help you 
>> need and we'll fill it in. You'll be in charge visually and 
>> aesthetically, but we'll encourage you to delegate as much as you can. 
>>
>> * We don't currently have a budget assigned; we're thinking this'll be 
>> volunteer work. However, the DSF *does* have some funds, and if money 
>> makes the difference we'll spend it. So if you need money to make it 
>> happen, tell us. We won't penalize you if you need to get paid (but at 
>> the same time we hope you recognize we probably can't afford market 
>> rates). 
>>
>> * The deadline is Sunday, June 17th, and we'll aim to make a decision 
>> that week. 
>>
>> Thanks everyone! 
>>
>> Jacob 
>>
>> PS: I'm deliberately burying this down in the thread instead of 
>> posting this more publicly. I'd like to avoid this becoming a general 
>> call; I'm more interested in reaching people who're *already* paying 
>> attention to this effort. I'd appreciate it, then, if you'd keep this 
>> call off Reddit, Hacker News, etc. However, if you know someone who 
>> you think *should* be interested, please forward it onto them! 
>>
>

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Jacob Kaplan-Moss]

Hi Win --

Yes, we selected one of the bids, and we're working with that team to
get a new site out. Stay tuned!

Jacob

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Wim Feijen  wrote:
> Hi Jacob,
>
> I was wondering whether there were any entries and whether a decision has
> been taken to appoint a benevolent redesigner?
>
> Personally I really liked Dana's proposal, marketing-wise, and considering
> she raised the question, I would certainly support her.
>
> My apologies if I missed a conversation on the mailing list.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Wim
>
> Op donderdag 24 mei 2012 19:14:36 UTC+2 schreef Jacob Kaplan-Moss het
> volgende:
>>
>> Hi folks --
>>
>> Thanks so much to everyone who's participated in this thread; I feel
>> like there's a lot of useful discussion and brainstorming going on.
>>
>> The DSF board met yesterday and discussed the effort --  we're
>> determined to get this done soon. Unfortunately, we ultimately think
>> that this collaborative effort isn't working: there's a lot of great
>> ideas, but some of the discussion is veering closer to "design by
>> committee", and nobody's really empowered to move things forward.
>>
>> Ultimately and sadly, though, great design is at odds to a community
>> process: the only way we know to get something we *love* is to find
>> someone awesome and let them do their thing.
>>
>> So here's the plan: in the next month we're do exactly that: find
>> someone awesome, and give them carte blance on the redesign. We'll of
>> course give feedback, and touch base with the community a few times,
>> but ultimately we're going to put this thing into one person's hands.
>>
>> If you'd like to become the Benevolent Dictator For This Redesign,
>> then please send a proposal to . This
>> doesn't need to be formal; we just need to know two things:
>>
>> 1. Can you deliver? Convince us that you'll actually be able to get
>> this done: show us a track record of shipping, and explain why you'll
>> have time to work on this. We'd like to see this land before DjangoCon
>> US in September; can you hit that?
>>
>> 2. Are you awesome? Convince us that your design will rock. This can
>> come in the form of a mockup, or previous work, or whatever. Again we
>> don't need formal stuff here, and we certainly don't expect spec work.
>> We just want to make sure your aesthetic matches ours.
>>
>> A few further notes:
>>
>> * I want to stress the informality of this. We don't need or want a
>> full formal proposal like you would for a real client; we just want to
>> know that you're awesome and can deliver. If you can prove that to us
>> in a few words, do it!
>>
>> * You don't have to do this all yourself; we have quite a few
>> volunteers. Importantly, we have *plenty* of people who can help on
>> the backend (natch), so really all we need is someone who's great at
>> the design side. How much of the actual coding you do is up to you. If
>> you've got weaknesses that's complete fine, just tell us what help you
>> need and we'll fill it in. You'll be in charge visually and
>> aesthetically, but we'll encourage you to delegate as much as you can.
>>
>> * We don't currently have a budget assigned; we're thinking this'll be
>> volunteer work. However, the DSF *does* have some funds, and if money
>> makes the difference we'll spend it. So if you need money to make it
>> happen, tell us. We won't penalize you if you need to get paid (but at
>> the same time we hope you recognize we probably can't afford market
>> rates).
>>
>> * The deadline is Sunday, June 17th, and we'll aim to make a decision that
>> week.
>>
>> Thanks everyone!
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>> PS: I'm deliberately burying this down in the thread instead of
>> posting this more publicly. I'd like to avoid this becoming a general
>> call; I'm more interested in reaching people who're *already* paying
>> attention to this effort. I'd appreciate it, then, if you'd keep this
>> call off Reddit, Hacker News, etc. However, if you know someone who
>> you think *should* be interested, please forward it onto them!
>
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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Wim Feijen]

Hi Jacob, 

I was wondering whether there were any entries and whether a decision has 
been taken to appoint a benevolent redesigner? 

Personally I really liked Dana's proposal, marketing-wise, and considering 
she raised the question, I would certainly support her. 

My apologies if I missed a conversation on the mailing list.

Best regards,

Wim

Op donderdag 24 mei 2012 19:14:36 UTC+2 schreef Jacob Kaplan-Moss het 
volgende:
>
> Hi folks -- 
>
> Thanks so much to everyone who's participated in this thread; I feel 
> like there's a lot of useful discussion and brainstorming going on. 
>
> The DSF board met yesterday and discussed the effort --  we're 
> determined to get this done soon. Unfortunately, we ultimately think 
> that this collaborative effort isn't working: there's a lot of great 
> ideas, but some of the discussion is veering closer to "design by 
> committee", and nobody's really empowered to move things forward. 
>
> Ultimately and sadly, though, great design is at odds to a community 
> process: the only way we know to get something we *love* is to find 
> someone awesome and let them do their thing. 
>
> So here's the plan: in the next month we're do exactly that: find 
> someone awesome, and give them carte blance on the redesign. We'll of 
> course give feedback, and touch base with the community a few times, 
> but ultimately we're going to put this thing into one person's hands. 
>
> If you'd like to become the Benevolent Dictator For This Redesign, 
> then please send a proposal to . 
> This 
> doesn't need to be formal; we just need to know two things: 
>
> 1. Can you deliver? Convince us that you'll actually be able to get 
> this done: show us a track record of shipping, and explain why you'll 
> have time to work on this. We'd like to see this land before DjangoCon 
> US in September; can you hit that? 
>
> 2. Are you awesome? Convince us that your design will rock. This can 
> come in the form of a mockup, or previous work, or whatever. Again we 
> don't need formal stuff here, and we certainly don't expect spec work. 
> We just want to make sure your aesthetic matches ours. 
>
> A few further notes: 
>
> * I want to stress the informality of this. We don't need or want a 
> full formal proposal like you would for a real client; we just want to 
> know that you're awesome and can deliver. If you can prove that to us 
> in a few words, do it! 
>
> * You don't have to do this all yourself; we have quite a few 
> volunteers. Importantly, we have *plenty* of people who can help on 
> the backend (natch), so really all we need is someone who's great at 
> the design side. How much of the actual coding you do is up to you. If 
> you've got weaknesses that's complete fine, just tell us what help you 
> need and we'll fill it in. You'll be in charge visually and 
> aesthetically, but we'll encourage you to delegate as much as you can. 
>
> * We don't currently have a budget assigned; we're thinking this'll be 
> volunteer work. However, the DSF *does* have some funds, and if money 
> makes the difference we'll spend it. So if you need money to make it 
> happen, tell us. We won't penalize you if you need to get paid (but at 
> the same time we hope you recognize we probably can't afford market 
> rates). 
>
> * The deadline is Sunday, June 17th, and we'll aim to make a decision that 
> week. 
>
> Thanks everyone! 
>
> Jacob 
>
> PS: I'm deliberately burying this down in the thread instead of 
> posting this more publicly. I'd like to avoid this becoming a general 
> call; I'm more interested in reaching people who're *already* paying 
> attention to this effort. I'd appreciate it, then, if you'd keep this 
> call off Reddit, Hacker News, etc. However, if you know someone who 
> you think *should* be interested, please forward it onto them! 
>

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Stan]

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:57:26 PM UTC+2, Andre Terra wrote:
>
> Hi Ashraful,
>
> First of all, thank you for contributing with your ideas for this project. 
> Your mockup is one of the most aesthetically pleasing so far IMHO but there 
> are some issues that need addressing before it could be replace the current 
> design.
>
> Since the mockup to feedback ratio in this thread seems distant from 1 at 
> the moment, I wanted to contribute to the discussion, so please bear with 
> me.
>
> I really like your overall use of whitespace, especially right at the top. 
> My first thought after seeing the design is that it doesn't feel cluttered, 
> and this is my biggest issue with the current layout. But the more I looked 
> into it, the more I noticed key areas are missing.
>
> Russel has mentioned several times that djangoproject.com is not only for 
> developers. We need to "sell" the project to sponsors who provide publicity 
> and financial support, and managers who can foment adoption of our most 
> loved framework in design shops around the globe and corporate environments 
> seeking modern solutions to everyday challenges.
>
> It could be argued that developers themselves don't need a "download" 
> button. Django is hosted on at least half a dozen platforms and the ways to 
> access these are also greatly diverse. I'm one of those who believe that 
> familiarity with python packages and VCS tools are paramount to the success 
> of Django developers, so pip and git are probably more relevant in today's 
> world than tarballs.
>
> We also need to do address how Django relies on the community to prosper, 
> and anyone can contribute. Users can submit tickets, developers can patch 
> code, newbies can write docs and many more. This also needs to stand out in 
> the layout.
>
> I like your use of silver and to be honest, it goes with green much better 
> than our current beige, whilst looking more professional, clean and modern. 
> I see no reason for keeping *everything* silver, however. Surely we could 
> include a dash of green in the middle and bottom section, don't you agree?
>
> I also don't think the blog posts are layed out in a particularly elegant 
> way. There's no telling what the most recent post is, and laying them out 
> on a grid seems like a waste of valuable space. Perhaps you could split 
> that into a main area on the left and additional, less prominent info on 
> the right?
>
> A lot of the previous mockups made great suggestions on addition content 
> that you could incorporate, like videocasts for example.
>
> Last but not least, I don't get the logo. It's not that it doesn't look 
> good, but it simply doesn't fit Django. The framework is not in any way 
> related to chatting, so the speech bubble feels out of place. As for the 
> icons, they're somewhat random and fail to illustrate what the project is 
> about.
>
> "The web framework for perfeccionists with deadlines" is a very abstract 
> concept. If we can't come up with a concrete drawing of that vision, we 
> should at least be inspired to design a conceptual and abstract piece that 
> resonates with the notions of "framework", "perfeccionism", and 
> "deadlines". Django's most admired strength is how it manages to solve the 
> trade off between robustness and complexity in a seemingly natural way, and 
> we should convey that.
>
There is a clear consensus about the Pony not fitting here. Almost every 
project use something from the nature as a logo (a whale, an apple, a leaf, 
an elephant etc). This is way too boring ! I suggest a good and rock-solid 
anvil.


 

> Before getting back to work, take a look at the previous mockups and the 
> criticism that followed. There's a lot to be learned from what others did 
> well, and it might also help you avoid the same pitfalls.
>
>
> Cheers,
> André Terra
>
> -- Sent from my phone, please excuse any typos. --
>
>
> On May 23, 2012 9:38 PM, "Ashraful Sheikh"  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I saw this on HackerNews(news.ycombinator.com) and wanted to contribute. 
>> Here is my mockup: http://i.imgur.com/dSMSJ.jpg
>>
>> With the design, I focused on keeping the look extremely clean, 
>> professional and minimalistic. The content is based on that of the current 
>> site. The mockup may seem a bit lacking in color, but adding eye-catching 
>> icons for the features, and the screens for the "built with Django" section 
>> will add sufficient color to liven up the design. On wider screens, the 
>> blog posts will appear in a siderbar to the left of the features list.
>>
>> If you guys like it, email me at inl...@gmail.com, or reply here. You 
>> can check out my previous work at madebyargon.com. Some of you may have 
>> seen the redesign I did for VideoLAN (videolan.org) which receive a 
>> positive reaction from the open-source community surrounding VLC.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:05:27 PM UTC+6, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dana, 
>>>

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Jacob Kaplan-Moss]

Hi folks --

Thanks so much to everyone who's participated in this thread; I feel
like there's a lot of useful discussion and brainstorming going on.

The DSF board met yesterday and discussed the effort --  we're
determined to get this done soon. Unfortunately, we ultimately think
that this collaborative effort isn't working: there's a lot of great
ideas, but some of the discussion is veering closer to "design by
committee", and nobody's really empowered to move things forward.

Ultimately and sadly, though, great design is at odds to a community
process: the only way we know to get something we *love* is to find
someone awesome and let them do their thing.

So here's the plan: in the next month we're do exactly that: find
someone awesome, and give them carte blance on the redesign. We'll of
course give feedback, and touch base with the community a few times,
but ultimately we're going to put this thing into one person's hands.

If you'd like to become the Benevolent Dictator For This Redesign,
then please send a proposal to . This
doesn't need to be formal; we just need to know two things:

1. Can you deliver? Convince us that you'll actually be able to get
this done: show us a track record of shipping, and explain why you'll
have time to work on this. We'd like to see this land before DjangoCon
US in September; can you hit that?

2. Are you awesome? Convince us that your design will rock. This can
come in the form of a mockup, or previous work, or whatever. Again we
don't need formal stuff here, and we certainly don't expect spec work.
We just want to make sure your aesthetic matches ours.

A few further notes:

* I want to stress the informality of this. We don't need or want a
full formal proposal like you would for a real client; we just want to
know that you're awesome and can deliver. If you can prove that to us
in a few words, do it!

* You don't have to do this all yourself; we have quite a few
volunteers. Importantly, we have *plenty* of people who can help on
the backend (natch), so really all we need is someone who's great at
the design side. How much of the actual coding you do is up to you. If
you've got weaknesses that's complete fine, just tell us what help you
need and we'll fill it in. You'll be in charge visually and
aesthetically, but we'll encourage you to delegate as much as you can.

* We don't currently have a budget assigned; we're thinking this'll be
volunteer work. However, the DSF *does* have some funds, and if money
makes the difference we'll spend it. So if you need money to make it
happen, tell us. We won't penalize you if you need to get paid (but at
the same time we hope you recognize we probably can't afford market
rates).

* The deadline is Sunday, June 17th, and we'll aim to make a decision that week.

Thanks everyone!

Jacob

PS: I'm deliberately burying this down in the thread instead of
posting this more publicly. I'd like to avoid this becoming a general
call; I'm more interested in reaching people who're *already* paying
attention to this effort. I'd appreciate it, then, if you'd keep this
call off Reddit, Hacker News, etc. However, if you know someone who
you think *should* be interested, please forward it onto them!

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Ashraful Sheikh]

Here is an updated version of the design.

http://i.imgur.com/PKUHM.jpg

Let me know what you guys think. The icons and content are simply 
placeholders and can be changed later on. My experience is in web and UX 
design and am not a good illustrator or icon designer, so someone more 
experienced in those areas should ideally be creating the icons and the top 
illustration.

In the design, I still kept the primary call-to-action geared towards new 
users, because I feel that they would be the ones needing most guidance. 
People who are existing users or are experienced developers would be much 
more likely to be able to find what they are looking for by searching, 
going through the navigation or scrolling down the page, without needing a 
large button "above the fold".

Looking forward to more feedback regarding the design.

Thanks.

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:57:26 PM UTC+6, Andre Terra wrote:
>
> Hi Ashraful,
>
> First of all, thank you for contributing with your ideas for this project. 
> Your mockup is one of the most aesthetically pleasing so far IMHO but there 
> are some issues that need addressing before it could be replace the current 
> design.
>
> Since the mockup to feedback ratio in this thread seems distant from 1 at 
> the moment, I wanted to contribute to the discussion, so please bear with 
> me.
>
> I really like your overall use of whitespace, especially right at the top. 
> My first thought after seeing the design is that it doesn't feel cluttered, 
> and this is my biggest issue with the current layout. But the more I looked 
> into it, the more I noticed key areas are missing.
>
> Russel has mentioned several times that djangoproject.com is not only for 
> developers. We need to "sell" the project to sponsors who provide publicity 
> and financial support, and managers who can foment adoption of our most 
> loved framework in design shops around the globe and corporate environments 
> seeking modern solutions to everyday challenges.
>
> It could be argued that developers themselves don't need a "download" 
> button. Django is hosted on at least half a dozen platforms and the ways to 
> access these are also greatly diverse. I'm one of those who believe that 
> familiarity with python packages and VCS tools are paramount to the success 
> of Django developers, so pip and git are probably more relevant in today's 
> world than tarballs.
>
> We also need to do address how Django relies on the community to prosper, 
> and anyone can contribute. Users can submit tickets, developers can patch 
> code, newbies can write docs and many more. This also needs to stand out in 
> the layout.
>
> I like your use of silver and to be honest, it goes with green much better 
> than our current beige, whilst looking more professional, clean and modern. 
> I see no reason for keeping *everything* silver, however. Surely we could 
> include a dash of green in the middle and bottom section, don't you agree?
>
> I also don't think the blog posts are layed out in a particularly elegant 
> way. There's no telling what the most recent post is, and laying them out 
> on a grid seems like a waste of valuable space. Perhaps you could split 
> that into a main area on the left and additional, less prominent info on 
> the right?
>
> A lot of the previous mockups made great suggestions on addition content 
> that you could incorporate, like videocasts for example.
>
> Last but not least, I don't get the logo. It's not that it doesn't look 
> good, but it simply doesn't fit Django. The framework is not in any way 
> related to chatting, so the speech bubble feels out of place. As for the 
> icons, they're somewhat random and fail to illustrate what the project is 
> about.
>
> "The web framework for perfeccionists with deadlines" is a very abstract 
> concept. If we can't come up with a concrete drawing of that vision, we 
> should at least be inspired to design a conceptual and abstract piece that 
> resonates with the notions of "framework", "perfeccionism", and 
> "deadlines". Django's most admired strength is how it manages to solve the 
> trade off between robustness and complexity in a seemingly natural way, and 
> we should convey that.
>
> Before getting back to work, take a look at the previous mockups and the 
> criticism that followed. There's a lot to be learned from what others did 
> well, and it might also help you avoid the same pitfalls.
>
>
> Cheers,
> André Terra
>
> -- Sent from my phone, please excuse any typos. --
>
>
> On May 23, 2012 9:38 PM, "Ashraful Sheikh"  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I saw this on HackerNews(news.ycombinator.com) and wanted to contribute. 
>> Here is my mockup: http://i.imgur.com/dSMSJ.jpg
>>
>> With the design, I focused on keeping the look extremely clean, 
>> professional and minimalistic. The content is based on that of the current 
>> site. The mockup may seem a bit lacking in color, but adding eye-catching 
>> icons for the features, and the 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Mateusz Marzantowicz]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:

> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe
> it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project
> ala djangoproject.com?
>
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially
> contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't
> think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift.
>
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm
> sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we
> could open up some discussion on this idea?
>
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
>
> Cheers,
> Dana
>
>
I'm reading django-developers and django-users news groups for more than a
year now. I have a little suggestion about redesign of official Dajngo web
page. It is not uncommon for new users to post questions about using Django
framework to wrong news group. It should be considered to stress that on
new website what user group is for what purpose. I know it is there already
but maybe it might be better divided into "devs corner" and "users corner"
and developers news group should be more hidden from users. The term
"Django developer" is sometimes misunderstood.

Mateusz Marzantowicz

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Andre Terra]

I'm just a hobbyist, but since you're asking for feedback, here's my humble
opinion.

I don't see a select input as the best solution for the "I am.." issue.
Let's assume we have the 'new to django' option as the default for when a
user first loads djangoproject.com, and a manager then visits the website.
He'll see "I am new to django" and think "yes, that's my case", yet the
links will mostly be aimed at a developer. Or even, assuming a "manager
using django" opens the website, he might see "I am new to django" and just
dismiss the box altogether.

I just don't think that a select box is the best UI/UX solution, as it's
not really clear as a call to action, unless you know which options lie
underneath, not to mention it looks a little buried in the sidebar. I would
much prefer a 4-block horizontal list with all the options one next to the
other. This way no options are hidden behind a mouse click, and there's
less of a chance the user will be surprised.

In addition to that, I also dislike the proposed organization for the links
in the bottom-half of the main section. "Other community resources" sounds
like a catch-all that actually masks a bad attempt at categorizing each of
those links. I'm not sure Getbarista, Django Best Practices and Django Jobs
share the same level of relevance, or even the same audience. They should
not, in my opinion, be stacked together in a one-window scrolling pane.
Furthermore, requiring additional mouse clicks to reveal other links is,
again, a bad UI/UX solution, and this is also true for the other 3 boxes,
especially "Latest blog posts".

I like whitespace, and I like grid layouts. I just don't like wasting that
much whitespace in UX elements which don't stand out to the user or offer
any advantages in terms of browsing, usability or accessibility. There's no
reason for us not to restrict that much information to 1000 pixels in
height. Less relevant information can (and should) go further down in the
page.

Moreover, it seems the big block of text right in the center is overkill
for very little content. I love good typography as much as the next guy,
maybe even more, but information about why Django was created falls under
'trivia' IMHO, and should not take 67% of the user's screen real estate.
This much space could be better used in calls to action and a more
intuitive display of the alternatives to the different kinds of users that
might access the website.

Finally, I agree with an earlier comment in the thread that we must cater
to the main groups of users who access the website. This layout aims at
every direction, but doesn't really offer great solutions to the most
important issues that the current layout has.


TL;DR It looks good, i.e. good typography and colors, but has bad UI/UX,
too much mouse clicking required without prominent calls to action. Layout
should cater to the 20% who will visit the website 80% of the time. It's
okay to scroll!


Cheers,
AT


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Hooshyar Naraghi wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I decorated my design a little, primarily in the blocks sites that use
> Django and Django Sponsors.
>
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLVnM3b2NHLXJ5RXM
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLSlE1S2JBYXpYUE0
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLRUJFTlU0SkRLN1E
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLSVBPR1ZEUV9nRVE
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLOWk1UmJ4U0YtUmM
>
> Looking forward to reading your feedback.
>
> Regards,
> Hooshyar
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:22:08 PM UTC-7, Alec Taylor wrote:
>>
>> I quite like that last one (on Google Docs)
>>
>> Only caveat is the way sites that use Django are listed.
>>
>> It seems quite pedestrian... maybe add big image logos or whatnot...
>> advertising that Bitbucket, Instagram and The Washington Post use
>> Django is the easiest way to make people consider Django.
>>
>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Hooshyar Naraghi 
>> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I would like to share yet another design for the Django Project web
>> site.
>> > First, I jump in with the design, and at the end I'll say a little
>> about my
>> > background.
>> >
>> > First, the design.
>> >
>> > https://docs.google.com/open?**id=0B9D91R1_**2bXLd0dKM21tOUVRRjQ
>> > https://docs.google.com/open?**id=0B9D91R1_**2bXLT3ZrTnNUX0syeUU
>> > https://docs.google.com/open?**id=0B9D91R1_**2bXLSGlzX0hmRGtxZWc
>> > https://docs.google.com/open?**id=0B9D91R1_**2bXLNWp4eXNtM3VsOVk
>> > https://docs.google.com/open?**id=0B9D91R1_**2bXLejAzdFJyNlF4MUU
>> >
>> > The only difference in the above screenshots is to show case the
>> 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Hooshyar Naraghi]

Hello all,

I decorated my design a little, primarily in the blocks sites that use 
Django and Django Sponsors.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLVnM3b2NHLXJ5RXM
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLSlE1S2JBYXpYUE0
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLRUJFTlU0SkRLN1E
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLSVBPR1ZEUV9nRVE
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLOWk1UmJ4U0YtUmM

Looking forward to reading your feedback.

Regards,
Hooshyar

On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:22:08 PM UTC-7, Alec Taylor wrote:
>
> I quite like that last one (on Google Docs) 
>
> Only caveat is the way sites that use Django are listed. 
>
> It seems quite pedestrian... maybe add big image logos or whatnot... 
> advertising that Bitbucket, Instagram and The Washington Post use 
> Django is the easiest way to make people consider Django. 
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Hooshyar Naraghi  
> wrote: 
> > Hello all, 
> > 
> > I would like to share yet another design for the Django Project web 
> site. 
> > First, I jump in with the design, and at the end I'll say a little about 
> my 
> > background. 
> > 
> > First, the design. 
> > 
> > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLd0dKM21tOUVRRjQ 
> > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLT3ZrTnNUX0syeUU 
> > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLSGlzX0hmRGtxZWc 
> > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLNWp4eXNtM3VsOVk 
> > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLejAzdFJyNlF4MUU 
> > 
> > The only difference in the above screenshots is to show case the 
> different 
> > "points of entry" (POE, aka "call to action") in the block "I am a " 
> > This is one way to direct different types of visitors. We tried "I am 
> a..." 
> > functionality last year, when my business redesigned the web site of the 
> NGO 
> > VIA Programs (http://www.VIAPrograms.org). The web site is visited by 
> > different kinds of people. In addition to explicit POE on the web site, 
> (you 
> > see the three POE at the top, which open a drop-down panel), we also 
> > implemented an "I am a..." (you can find it on the Search drop-down 
> panel). 
> > My client is happy with this implementation, as they really service 
> > different interests within their organization. I should add the 
> disclaimer I 
> > saw this "I am a..." on a web site many moons ago, but I didn't bother 
> to 
> > record it. So, I am inspired by it (Dana, yes, we steal great ideas, and 
> why 
> > not) and have used it on web sites that can really leverage it. 
> > 
> > My design is straightforward, but I would like to point out that the 
> main 
> > block is going to show a rotating slide presentation, if it doesn't look 
> > evident on this non-interactive screenshot. Each slide could emphasize 
> one 
> > aspect of Django. For example, a video clip can be placed on one of the 
> > slides, and so on. Second, for this submission, I didn't pay attention 
> to 
> > the content on the slide. I simply copied text from the current web 
> site. 
> > 
> > As others who kindly submitted their designs, I would love to read your 
> > feedback and will be glad to post any revision. 
> > 
> > About 
> > 
> > I run and own a small web app development business. We are a pure 
> > Django/Python shop (OK, with a frizzle of PHP here and there -- read as 
> > setting up MediaWiki, WordPress, and Joomla). Since 2006 I have used 
> Django 
> > in all of our custom-built web apps. We also take on UI/UX design for 
> all of 
> > our projects. 
> > 
> > Although I consider myself and my team indebted to Django forever, 
> > nevertheless, I have not contributed anything significant to the Django 
> > community. So, when I read about the Redesign project on this group, I 
> > thought this could be one opportunity my business should contribute. My 
> > commitment in this project will include producing final HTML mockups and 
> of 
> > course any needed revision. 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > Hooshyar 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:05:27 AM UTC-7, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hi Dana, 
> >> 
> >> I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of 
> >> djangoproject.com going for quite some time under the auspices of the 
> Django 
> >> Foundation. As you can see from the lack of changes, you can see that I 
> >> haven't been particularly successful :-( 
> >> 
> >> The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our 
> >> disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there 
> aren't 
> >> many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just that 
> >> they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django 
> design 
> >> community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some 
> initial 
> >> work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like djangoproject.comis a 
> >> big job, and nobody has been able to spare the time to bring the job to 
> >> completion. 
> >> 
> 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Henry Modisett]

Hey django developers! I am new here but I made you a design :)

http://cl.ly/3M0V3Y350B3r1n2g1209

On Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:22:59 AM UTC-4, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe 
> it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project 
> ala djangoproject.com?
>
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially 
> contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't 
> think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift. 
>
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm 
> sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we 
> could open up some discussion on this idea? 
>
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
>
> Cheers,
> Dana
>

On Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:22:59 AM UTC-4, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe 
> it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project 
> ala djangoproject.com?
>
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially 
> contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't 
> think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift. 
>
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm 
> sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we 
> could open up some discussion on this idea? 
>
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
>
> Cheers,
> Dana
>

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Thiago Avelino]

Was very good work Hooshyar Naraghi.

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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Hooshyar Naraghi wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I would like to share yet another design for the Django Project web site.
> First, I jump in with the design, and at the end I'll say a little about my
> background.
>
> First, the design.
>
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLd0dKM21tOUVRRjQ
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLT3ZrTnNUX0syeUU
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLSGlzX0hmRGtxZWc
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLNWp4eXNtM3VsOVk
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLejAzdFJyNlF4MUU
>
> The only difference in the above screenshots is to show case the different
> "points of entry" (POE, aka "call to action") in the block "I am a "
> This is one way to direct different types of visitors. We tried "I am a..."
> functionality last year, when my business redesigned the web site of the
> NGO VIA Programs (http://www.VIAPrograms.org). The web site is visited by
> different kinds of people. In addition to explicit POE on the web site,
> (you see the three POE at the top, which open a drop-down panel), we also
> implemented an "I am a..." (you can find it on the Search drop-down panel).
> My client is happy with this implementation, as they really service
> different interests within their organization. I should add the disclaimer
> I saw this "I am a..." on a web site many moons ago, but I didn't bother to
> record it. So, I am inspired by it (Dana, yes, we steal great ideas, and
> why not) and have used it on web sites that can really leverage it.
>
> My design is straightforward, but I would like to point out that the main
> block is going to show a rotating slide presentation, if it doesn't look
> evident on this non-interactive screenshot. Each slide could emphasize one
> aspect of Django. For example, a video clip can be placed on one of the
> slides, and so on. Second, for this submission, I didn't pay attention to
> the content on the slide. I simply copied text from the current web site.
>
> As others who kindly submitted their designs, I would love to read your
> feedback and will be glad to post any revision.
>
> About
>
> I run and own a small web app development business. We are a pure
> Django/Python shop (OK, with a frizzle of PHP here and there -- read as
> setting up MediaWiki, WordPress, and Joomla). Since 2006 I have used Django
> in all of our custom-built web apps. We also take on UI/UX design for all
> of our projects.
>
> Although I consider myself and my team indebted to Django forever,
> nevertheless, I have not contributed anything significant to the Django
> community. So, when I read about the Redesign project on this group, I
> thought this could be one opportunity my business should contribute. My
> commitment in this project will include producing final HTML mockups and of
> course any needed revision.
>
> Regards,
> Hooshyar
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:05:27 AM UTC-7, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dana,
>>
>> I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of
>> djangoproject.com going for quite some time under the auspices of the
>> Django Foundation. As you can see from the lack of changes, you can see
>> that I haven't been particularly successful :-(
>>
>> The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our
>> disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there
>> aren't many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just
>> that they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django
>> design community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some
>> initial work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like
>> djangoproject.com is a big job, and nobody has been able to spare the
>> time to bring the job to completion.
>>
>> So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by
>> committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or
>> a small group) and give them complete control over design process. I'm not
>> completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are
>> welcome.
>>
>> If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you
>> the design brief we've been working with.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Russ Magee %-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>>
>> > So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!),
>> maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the
>> project ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?
>> >
>> > Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially
>> contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't
>> think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could
>> use a bit of a facelift.
>> >
>> > I have some idea of my 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Alec Taylor]

I quite like that last one (on Google Docs)

Only caveat is the way sites that use Django are listed.

It seems quite pedestrian... maybe add big image logos or whatnot...
advertising that Bitbucket, Instagram and The Washington Post use
Django is the easiest way to make people consider Django.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Hooshyar Naraghi  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I would like to share yet another design for the Django Project web site.
> First, I jump in with the design, and at the end I'll say a little about my
> background.
>
> First, the design.
>
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLd0dKM21tOUVRRjQ
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLT3ZrTnNUX0syeUU
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLSGlzX0hmRGtxZWc
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLNWp4eXNtM3VsOVk
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLejAzdFJyNlF4MUU
>
> The only difference in the above screenshots is to show case the different
> "points of entry" (POE, aka "call to action") in the block "I am a "
> This is one way to direct different types of visitors. We tried "I am a..."
> functionality last year, when my business redesigned the web site of the NGO
> VIA Programs (http://www.VIAPrograms.org). The web site is visited by
> different kinds of people. In addition to explicit POE on the web site, (you
> see the three POE at the top, which open a drop-down panel), we also
> implemented an "I am a..." (you can find it on the Search drop-down panel).
> My client is happy with this implementation, as they really service
> different interests within their organization. I should add the disclaimer I
> saw this "I am a..." on a web site many moons ago, but I didn't bother to
> record it. So, I am inspired by it (Dana, yes, we steal great ideas, and why
> not) and have used it on web sites that can really leverage it.
>
> My design is straightforward, but I would like to point out that the main
> block is going to show a rotating slide presentation, if it doesn't look
> evident on this non-interactive screenshot. Each slide could emphasize one
> aspect of Django. For example, a video clip can be placed on one of the
> slides, and so on. Second, for this submission, I didn't pay attention to
> the content on the slide. I simply copied text from the current web site.
>
> As others who kindly submitted their designs, I would love to read your
> feedback and will be glad to post any revision.
>
> About
>
> I run and own a small web app development business. We are a pure
> Django/Python shop (OK, with a frizzle of PHP here and there -- read as
> setting up MediaWiki, WordPress, and Joomla). Since 2006 I have used Django
> in all of our custom-built web apps. We also take on UI/UX design for all of
> our projects.
>
> Although I consider myself and my team indebted to Django forever,
> nevertheless, I have not contributed anything significant to the Django
> community. So, when I read about the Redesign project on this group, I
> thought this could be one opportunity my business should contribute. My
> commitment in this project will include producing final HTML mockups and of
> course any needed revision.
>
> Regards,
> Hooshyar
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:05:27 AM UTC-7, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dana,
>>
>> I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of
>> djangoproject.com going for quite some time under the auspices of the Django
>> Foundation. As you can see from the lack of changes, you can see that I
>> haven't been particularly successful :-(
>>
>> The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our
>> disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there aren't
>> many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just that
>> they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django design
>> community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some initial
>> work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like djangoproject.com is a
>> big job, and nobody has been able to spare the time to bring the job to
>> completion.
>>
>> So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by
>> committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or a
>> small group) and give them complete control over design process. I'm not
>> completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are
>> welcome.
>>
>> If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you
>> the design brief we've been working with.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Russ Magee %-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>>
>> > So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!),
>> > maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the
>> > project ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?
>> >
>> > Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially
>> > contentions as to what 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Hooshyar Naraghi]

Hello all,

I would like to share yet another design for the Django Project web site. 
First, I jump in with the design, and at the end I'll say a little about my 
background.

First, the design.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLd0dKM21tOUVRRjQ
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLT3ZrTnNUX0syeUU
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLSGlzX0hmRGtxZWc
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLNWp4eXNtM3VsOVk
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9D91R1_2bXLejAzdFJyNlF4MUU

The only difference in the above screenshots is to show case the different 
"points of entry" (POE, aka "call to action") in the block "I am a " 
This is one way to direct different types of visitors. We tried "I am a..." 
functionality last year, when my business redesigned the web site of the 
NGO VIA Programs (http://www.VIAPrograms.org). The web site is visited by 
different kinds of people. In addition to explicit POE on the web site, 
(you see the three POE at the top, which open a drop-down panel), we also 
implemented an "I am a..." (you can find it on the Search drop-down panel). 
My client is happy with this implementation, as they really service 
different interests within their organization. I should add the disclaimer 
I saw this "I am a..." on a web site many moons ago, but I didn't bother to 
record it. So, I am inspired by it (Dana, yes, we steal great ideas, and 
why not) and have used it on web sites that can really leverage it.

My design is straightforward, but I would like to point out that the main 
block is going to show a rotating slide presentation, if it doesn't look 
evident on this non-interactive screenshot. Each slide could emphasize one 
aspect of Django. For example, a video clip can be placed on one of the 
slides, and so on. Second, for this submission, I didn't pay attention to 
the content on the slide. I simply copied text from the current web site.

As others who kindly submitted their designs, I would love to read your 
feedback and will be glad to post any revision.

About

I run and own a small web app development business. We are a pure 
Django/Python shop (OK, with a frizzle of PHP here and there -- read as 
setting up MediaWiki, WordPress, and Joomla). Since 2006 I have used Django 
in all of our custom-built web apps. We also take on UI/UX design for all 
of our projects.

Although I consider myself and my team indebted to Django forever, 
nevertheless, I have not contributed anything significant to the Django 
community. So, when I read about the Redesign project on this group, I 
thought this could be one opportunity my business should contribute. My 
commitment in this project will include producing final HTML mockups and of 
course any needed revision.

Regards,
Hooshyar


On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:05:27 AM UTC-7, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
> Hi Dana, 
>
> I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of 
> djangoproject.com going for quite some time under the auspices of the 
> Django Foundation. As you can see from the lack of changes, you can see 
> that I haven't been particularly successful :-( 
>
> The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our 
> disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there 
> aren't many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just 
> that they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django 
> design community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some 
> initial work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like 
> djangoproject.com is a big job, and nobody has been able to spare the 
> time to bring the job to completion. 
>
> So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by 
> committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or 
> a small group) and give them complete control over design process. I'm not 
> completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are 
> welcome. 
>
> If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you 
> the design brief we've been working with. 
>
> Yours, 
> Russ Magee %-) 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote: 
>
> > So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), 
> maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the 
> project ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)? 
> > 
> > Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially 
> contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't 
> think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could 
> use a bit of a facelift. 
> > 
> > I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm 
> sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we 
> could open up some discussion on this idea? 
> > 
> > Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group! 
> > 
> > Cheers, 
> > Dana 
> > 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Vladimir U.]

i think, in all proposals lack of some mention about where i can find
django apps. Maybe its good idea to add a block with latest/popular
packages from pypi or/and djangopackages.com to the the main page or
just a link (hide/show subcategory).
[-]community
[+]packages
[+]blogs
...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10320/djangoproject/dp.com-home.png
lower block must stretch the width to left ("who use it") IMHO :)

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Anton Strogonoff]

Hi all!

I think it would be fair to note that Dana's mock-up 
(http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o) seems to solve most of the tasks 
mentioned by Russell, while avoiding information overload and keeping 
visual hierarchy clear. 

- If I seek to contribute to Django, the mock-up features a clear and 
visible “Contribute” link below.
- If I'm a manager new to Django, the first thing I'd look for is which 
companies already use the framework, and how. The “Who's using” block gives 
a solid clue on that. (I'd only suggest that the logos were links leading 
to actual use cases.)
- The DSF part is, however, missing: I'd suggest to place corresponding 
block below the quick start.


I agree that Giovanni's design probably lacks some of the features and not 
as clear as Dana's original mock-up. However, I would argue with Russell's 
point about “equally important calls to action”.

Yes, both proposals aren't optimized for all mentioned use cases equally 
well. The “Contribute” link is not visible enough, and the DSF block is 
below the fold, and there's not much community resources present. However, 
keeping clear visual hierarchy and limiting the number of calls to action 
according to use case priority is probably more important[1].


It appears to me that use cases for djangoproject.com clearly differ in 
their priority:

- If you're a developer or a manager choosing what to use in a new project, 
you're a valuable visitor, as broader adoption is desired. There's also a 
high chance you bounce off and won't come back, since there's quite a 
variety of web frameworks out there. So it probably makes sense to optimise 
for this use case.

- If you're a manager or developer who've already decided to give back to 
the community, you're probably more valuable, but it's also harder to drive 
you away. (Some time ago I remember myself searching current 
djangoproject.com on how to contribute to development, there wasn't any 
mention of that on landing page but I kept looking until I found relevant 
information.)

- If you're a developer returning for reference, you're unlikely to drop 
Django because of landing page. Also, you'll just use Google to search for 
relevant information, which would land you directly on documentation pages 
and StackOverflow.

Considering this, it probably makes sense to optimize for new potential 
users (managers and developers) first, then for those who seek to 
contribute. The Dana's mock-up IMHO would deal with that well with DSF / 
sponsorship block added at the bottom.

Note: The above list may be incomplete, or I might've gotten wrong the 
priorities. I'd just like to propose more systematic approach to the 
problem.


Regarding community visibility: It's probably impossible to place many 
community resources on landing page while keeping strong visual hierarchy 
and clear call to action. I'd argue Dana's design deals with this well: 
“Featured content” could expose one selected resource at a time, while the 
“Explore” block has the “Resources” and “Community” links that point to the 
rest.


[1] The larger is the number of calls to action and the more use cases the 
page is optimized for, the harder it is for a visitor to make a decision. 
http://muddylemon.com/2012/03/creating-effective-landing-pages/ explains 
that. Although it perhaps deals with landing pages of different sort, IMHO 
some principles are still applicable to general landing page design.


-- Anton Strogonoff

PS. At first I thought of djangoproject.com redesign as a good opportunity 
to give back to the community and show off my skills as aspiring web 
designer, but after seeing Dana's mock-up I decided I can't really suggest 
anything significantly better. =)

(PPS. It appears to be my first post here, please don't judge hard.)


On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 6:52:10 AM UTC+7, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I have two reactions to Giovanni's design: 
>
> * There needs to be more than one call to action. "Download and run 
> tutorial" is the call to action for new users; but there are several other 
> equally important calls to action: 
>
> - I'm an active Django user -- how do I get involved in development? 
>
> - I'm a manager considering Django - I don't want details, but I need to 
> know if Django will be suitable for my project 
>
> - I'm a manager using Django - I want to give back to the community? 
> (i.e., where is the foundation?) 
>
> Giovanni's proposal seems to have the same limitation as the current site 
> -- there's a call to action for running the tutorial, but not for the other 
> use cases. 
>
> * One of my personal goals for this redesign is to give more visibility to 
> community resources. Over the last 6 years, we've had a number of 
> unofficial projects come and done great service for the community -- django 
> people, several packaging indices, and so on. However, many of these 
> projects have died on the vine. I suspect one of the reasons that these 
> projects has died is 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Atul Bhouraskar]

On 2 May 2012 11:56, Buddy Lindsey, Jr.  wrote:

> um, not sure what happened to part of my response, but to summarize a
> missing paragraph I would like the design to consider showing more of the
> community as well.
>
>
> Buddy Lindsey, Jr. wrote:
>
>
> Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
>
>
> * One of my personal goals for this redesign is to give more
> visibility to community resources. Over the last 6 years, we've had a
> number of unofficial projects come and done great service for the
> community -- django people, several packaging indices, and so on.
> However, many of these projects have died on the vine. I suspect one
> of the reasons that these projects has died is that they've never
> really been considered first class members of the community, and so
> it's mentally easy to abandon them rather than seeking to hand them
> off to a new maintainer. The only place I can see in Giovanni's
> design for this sort of community content would be to bury it in the
> footer, or on a separate part of the community page.
>
>
>
>
> I came to Django from the Rails community and while I prefer Django
> over Rails one thing I was disappointed with on arrival was I didn't
> know "where" the Django community was, still not sure I do. Maybe the
> django community is quiter than the Rails community is, but if I
> didn't actively scour the internet I would think the community is dead
> which is one of my evaluations of using a technology.
>
> my 2 cents on the community aspect.
>
>
I agree. One part could be to integrate the google group(s) into the site
using google web elements e.g http://www.google.com/webelements/#!/groups

Regards,

Atul

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Buddy Lindsey, Jr.]

um, not sure what happened to part of my response, but to summarize a 
missing paragraph I would like the design to consider showing more of 
the community as well.


Buddy Lindsey, Jr. wrote:


Russell Keith-Magee wrote:



* One of my personal goals for this redesign is to give more
visibility to community resources. Over the last 6 years, we've had a
number of unofficial projects come and done great service for the
community -- django people, several packaging indices, and so on.
However, many of these projects have died on the vine. I suspect one
of the reasons that these projects has died is that they've never
really been considered first class members of the community, and so
it's mentally easy to abandon them rather than seeking to hand them
off to a new maintainer. The only place I can see in Giovanni's
design for this sort of community content would be to bury it in the
footer, or on a separate part of the community page.




I came to Django from the Rails community and while I prefer Django
over Rails one thing I was disappointed with on arrival was I didn't
know "where" the Django community was, still not sure I do. Maybe the
django community is quiter than the Rails community is, but if I
didn't actively scour the internet I would think the community is dead
which is one of my evaluations of using a technology.

my 2 cents on the community aspect.

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Buddy Lindsey, Jr.]

Russell Keith-Magee wrote:


* One of my personal goals for this redesign is to give more 
visibility to community resources. Over the last 6 years, we've had a 
number of unofficial projects come and done great service for the 
community -- django people, several packaging indices, and so on. 
However, many of these projects have died on the vine. I suspect one 
of the reasons that these projects has died is that they've never 
really been considered first class members of the community, and so 
it's mentally easy to abandon them rather than seeking to hand them 
off to a new maintainer. The only place I can see in Giovanni's design 
for this sort of community content would be to bury it in the footer, 
or on a separate part of the community page.



I came to Django from the Rails community and while I prefer Django over 
Rails one thing I was disappointed with on arrival was I didn't know 
"where" the Django community was, still not sure I do. Maybe the django 
community is quiter than the Rails community is, but if I didn't 
actively scour the internet I would think the community is dead which is 
one of my evaluations of using a technology.


my 2 cents on the community aspect.

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Dana Woodman]

People weren't proposing finished designs Daniel, they're mockups/wireframes. 
The first focus here is getting the IA right and then making it "sexy". 

I for one think that canned designs are not the way to go for a project such as 
Django. One of the goals with the redesign of the site is to showcase how the 
Django community values design in addition to development and choosing a pre 
made design doesn't serve those ends IMO. 

On the flip side, there's nothin wrong with borrowing (read stealing) good 
ideas from other designs. That's what art is anyways ;)

Just my $.02. 

On May 1, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "Daniel Sokolowski" 
 wrote:

> Being realistic here we must acknowledge that likely the majority of us are 
> great programmers but not great designers – none of the design proposed did 
> it for me – they were not bad but they weren’t great, and I want epic, I want 
> sexy and I want eye candy. 
>  
> So I say this: it is no shame to use a pre-existing, pre-made  template.
>  
> I have used http://themeforest.net/?ref=danols successfully in the past - yes 
> it includes my referral link - an added benefit is we can get through the 
> mock up and conversion phases very quickly. Some designs that caught my eye 
> --- please note these are fluid designs hence table and smartphone ready, 
> resize your browser window to see what I mean.
>  
> http://themeforest.net/item/spectrum-responsive-business-site-template/full_screen_preview/2035034
> http://themeforest.net/item/doctype-claquette-responsive-video-html-template/full_screen_preview/2085780
> http://themeforest.net/item/valera-responsive-html-template/full_screen_preview/2194402
>  
>  
>  
> However
> From: Dana Woodman
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:22 AM
> To: django-developers@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Redesign of djangoproject.com?
>  
> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe it 
> would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project ala 
> djangoproject.com?
>  
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions 
> as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm alone) 
>  that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift. 
>  
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure 
> there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could 
> open up some discussion on this idea?
>  
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
>  
> Cheers,
> Dana
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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Ivan Ivanov]

На Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:33:33 -0700
Dana Woodman  написа:

> Giovanni and I have touched base about collaborating on the design.
> We'll update as we go. 

Hi all!

I have not enough time for participating on developement right now, but
I could be helpful with testing and (when needed) fixing issues, so when
you make a repo, please let us know, so I can follow the project.

Thanks for the grate job in advance!

Ivan

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Alec Taylor]

The http://proxart.co/ design on that page is quite a good one

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Joe Tennies  wrote:
> A lot of these mockups are good, but I have a couple comments.
>
> I'd like to see more "interesting" grid layout. Django comes from the world
> of newpapers. I think that should be honored with an power 12/16 column
> layout. I'm seeing something like "Power Grid" from
> http://designshack.net/articles/layouts/10-rock-solid-website-layout-examples
> Other prior art to look at:
> http://demos.dojotoolkit.org/demos/fonts/demo.html
> I think http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10320/djangoproject/dp.com-home.png did a
> decent job of this. I love the sections on the top looking like sections of
> a newspaper.
>
>
> Another thing I like to see in every decent site is something to direct
> people into where they want to get by categorizing them. I'm seeing sections
> like "Considering Django" w/ the sales pitch, case studies, who uses it,
> etc. I'll have to think about how to categorize the rest, but I am usually
> annoyed by ending up on someone's site and not exactly knowing where to go.
>
> I've been messing with Adobe Proto lately. I'll see if I can put more
> showin' and less jibber-jabberin' ;)
>
> - Joe Tennies
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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Julien Phalip]

Hi everyone,

It's really exciting to see the community offering to help in this
endeavor. I myself spent quite a bit of time last year driving a
redesign effort for djangoproject.com, so I thought I'd share my work
with you now while the momentum is picking up again.

So, using some initial briefing and feedback from Russell, Jacob, Idan
and Christian, I had designed a new IA and then built a working
prototype:

http://www.djangoproject.dotcloud.com/
Login details: preview/ihud8t4k

I'd like to emphasize that this is a *prototype*. The visuals were
intentionally left rough and unpolished, and even the IA itself was a
work in progress. I've seen many great ideas so far in this thread, so
please feel free to rip this prototype off, or to just get some
inspiration from it, or to simply ignore it altogether.

Technically-speaking, the front end uses Sass and Compass and it
implements the responsive Less framework [1]. To see an example of the
responsive behavior, try resizing your browser window on the homepage
[2]. I had also spent a lot of time tweaking the documentation's
layout and styles to make it easy to view across screen sizes [3]. For
example, the sidebar collapses into a clickable button on small
screens. Another example is with large images as in [4]; as the window
gets smaller, the image shrinks along with the window and becomes
clickable on small screens — this is to allow mobile users to access
the full-width image without breaking the layout. However, will all
that said, it might eventually be worth considering to move the
documentation entirely to RTD one day (with some special branding).

The prototype's code is available on github [5]. I hope this is of
some help to the person or team that will be driving this project.

Kindly,

Julien


[1] http://lessframework.com/
[2] Prototype homepage: http://www.djangoproject.dotcloud.com/
[3] Documentation prototype: http://docs.djangoproject.dotcloud.com/en/dev/
[4] 
http://docs.djangoproject.dotcloud.com/en/dev/internals/contributing/triaging-tickets/#triage-workflow
[5] Prototype's code: 
https://github.com/jphalip/djangoproject.com/tree/visual-redesign

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Jacob Kaplan-Moss]

On Monday, April 30, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Idan Gazit wrote:
> Non-homepage templates
> ===
> 
> I'm not sure what other pages we have in our current site, ignoring trac for 
> now. I suspect that we'll need one or two templates for non-home pages.
> 
> 
> 


Docs are the big one -- more than half of the traffic to djangoproject.com is 
to the docs site. A good docs layout and theme that fits into the rest of the 
site is a pretty big deal IMO.

Jacob

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Adnane Belmadiaf]

Yeah sorry about that, i wasn't sure my email was sent.

2012/4/30 Dana Woodman 

> You already posted that earlier today Adnane.
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Adnane Belmadiaf wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to introduce myself, here is my proposal
> http://i.imgur.com/bnf2e.png
>
> Best,
> Adnane Belmadiaf
>
> 2012/4/29 Juan Pablo Martínez 
>
> http://imgur.com/a/186fh
> nice :)
>
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Giovanni Collazo wrote:
>
> I liked what Dana Woodman did, so I did a design based on that.
>
> Here: http://imgur.com/a/186fh
>
> --
> @gcollazo
> gcoll...@24veces.com
>
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:32:13 PM UTC-4, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
>  This is my take: 
> http://cl.ly/**0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
>
> Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor 
> wrote:
>
> Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
> up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
>
> Email: alectayl...@gmail.com
>
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman 
> wrote:
>
> Great info Russ, thanks!
>
> My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
> including the home page and documentation overview pages.
>
> For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
>
> -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers the
> "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, Twitter
> Bootstraps's home page: 
> http://cl.ly/**3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S
> )
> Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
> "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
> question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users
> of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
> addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use
> Django
> and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and is
> worth the investment.
> A graphical site navigation area, eg: 
> http://cl.ly/**3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K-
> Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
>
>
> Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage
> would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and easy
> to navigate.
>
> Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
> community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
> the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, what
> would be an ideal process for this?
>
> How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
> djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
>
> I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
>
> Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a
> complete
> overhaul in one go?
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
> Hi Dana
>
>
> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when
> this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
>
> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for
> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
> produce) something that is suitable.
>
>
> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
> it.
>
> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if
> they
> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django
> a bit more "sexy".
> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to
> navigate,
> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some
> modifications to headers and color choices.
> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
> regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
> community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
> development, lots of built in security, etc...
> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
>
> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work
> on subversion?
>
> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub.
> However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:
>
> 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Dana Woodman]

You already posted that earlier today Adnane.

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On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Adnane Belmadiaf wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> I would like to introduce myself, here is my proposal 
> http://i.imgur.com/bnf2e.png  
>  
> Best,
> Adnane Belmadiaf
>  
>  
> 2012/4/29 Juan Pablo Martínez 
> > http://imgur.com/a/186fh
> > nice :)
> >  
> > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Giovanni Collazo  > (mailto:gcoll...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > I liked what Dana Woodman did, so I did a design based on that.
> > >  
> > > Here: http://imgur.com/a/186fh
> > >  
> > > --
> > > @gcollazo
> > > gcoll...@24veces.com (mailto:gcoll...@24veces.com)
> > >  
> > > On Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:32:13 PM UTC-4, Dana Woodman wrote:
> > > > This is my take: http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o
> > > >  
> > > > --
> > > > Dana Woodman
> > > > d...@danawoodman.com (mailto:d...@danawoodman.com)
> > > > http://www.danawoodman.com
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > > Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
> > > > >  
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >  
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor  > > > > (mailto:alec.tayl...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw 
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > Email: alectayl...@gmail.com (mailto:alectayl...@gmail.com)
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > Great info Russ, thanks!
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content 
> > > > > > > sections,
> > > > > > > including the home page and documentation overview pages.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - 
> > > > > > > Answers the
> > > > > > > "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for 
> > > > > > > example, Twitter
> > > > > > > Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S)
> > > > > > > Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" 
> > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses 
> > > > > > > Django?"
> > > > > > > question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the 
> > > > > > > larger users
> > > > > > > of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, 
> > > > > > > Mahalo,
> > > > > > > addons.mozilla.org (http://addons.mozilla.org), etc... This alone 
> > > > > > > would get people excited to use Django
> > > > > > > and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can 
> > > > > > > scale and is
> > > > > > > worth the investment.
> > > > > > > A graphical site navigation area, eg: 
> > > > > > > http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K -
> > > > > > > Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on 
> > > > > > > the site.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) 
> > > > > > > homepage
> > > > > > > would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things 
> > > > > > > minimal and easy
> > > > > > > to navigate.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to 
> > > > > > > update the
> > > > > > > community of interesting or useful links. This could work in 
> > > > > > > concert with
> > > > > > > the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this 
> > > > > > > are, what
> > > > > > > would be an ideal process for this?
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
> > > > > > > djangoproject.org (http://djangoproject.org), Github Wiki, a PDF, 
> > > > > > > or...?
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new 
> > > > > > > skin?
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be 
> > > > > > > a complete
> > > > > > > overhaul in one go?
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Dana Woodman
> > > > > > > d...@danawoodman.com (mailto:d...@danawoodman.com)
> > > > > > > http://www.danawoodman.com
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Hi Dana
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put 
> > > > > > > together when
> > > > > > > this was discussed last time, if 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[rikuthero...@gmail.com]

The one that Giovanni did is really nice, I like it!

2012/4/29 Juan Pablo Martínez 

> http://imgur.com/a/186fh
> nice :)
>
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Giovanni Collazo wrote:
>
>> I liked what Dana Woodman did, so I did a design based on that.
>>
>> Here: http://imgur.com/a/186fh
>>
>> --
>> @gcollazo
>> gcoll...@24veces.com
>>
>> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:32:13 PM UTC-4, Dana Woodman wrote:
>>>
>>> This is my take: 
>>> http://cl.ly/**0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dana Woodman
>>> d...@danawoodman.com
>>> http://www.danawoodman.com
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
>>> up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
>>>
>>> Email: alectayl...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Great info Russ, thanks!
>>>
>>> My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
>>> including the home page and documentation overview pages.
>>>
>>> For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
>>>
>>> -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers
>>> the
>>> "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example,
>>> Twitter
>>> Bootstraps's home page: 
>>> http://cl.ly/**3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S
>>> )
>>> Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
>>> "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
>>> question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger
>>> users
>>> of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
>>> addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use
>>> Django
>>> and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and
>>> is
>>> worth the investment.
>>> A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/**
>>> 3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K  -
>>> Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org
>>> /) homepage
>>> would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and
>>> easy
>>> to navigate.
>>>
>>> Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
>>> community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
>>> the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are,
>>> what
>>> would be an ideal process for this?
>>>
>>> How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
>>> djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
>>>
>>> I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
>>>
>>> Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a
>>> complete
>>> overhaul in one go?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dana Woodman
>>> d...@danawoodman.com
>>> http://www.danawoodman.com
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dana
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>>>
>>> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together
>>> when
>>> this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
>>>
>>> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking
>>> for
>>> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
>>> produce) something that is suitable.
>>>
>>>
>>> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
>>> it.
>>>
>>> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if
>>> they
>>> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making
>>> Django
>>> a bit more "sexy".
>>> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to
>>> navigate,
>>> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by
>>> some
>>> modifications to headers and color choices.
>>> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
>>> regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
>>> community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
>>> development, lots of built in security, etc...
>>> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
>>>
>>> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to
>>> work
>>> on subversion?
>>>
>>> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on
>>> GitHub.
>>> However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/django/**djangoproject.com
>>> If you want to work on code 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Buddy Lindsey, Jr.]

I see all this stuff about video in the redesigns. Are there some videos 
on the site that I missed or is it wishful thinking?



Dana Woodman 
April 29, 2012 2:42 PM
Jeez, looks like I started a tsunami...

On Apr 29, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Adnane Belmadiaf > wrote:


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Hi all,

I would like to introduce myself, here is my proposal 
http://i.imgur.com/bnf2e.png


Best,
Adnane Belmadiaf




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This is my take: http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o

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Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png

Thoughts?

Alec Taylor 
April 29, 2012 10:34 AM
Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Dana Woodman]

Jeez, looks like I started a tsunami... 

On Apr 29, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Adnane Belmadiaf  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to introduce myself, here is my proposal 
> http://i.imgur.com/bnf2e.png
> 
> Best,
> Adnane Belmadiaf
> 
> 2012/4/29 Dana Woodman 
> This is my take: http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o
> 
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
> 
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor  wrote:
>>> Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
>>> up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
>>> 
>>> Email: alectayl...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman  wrote:
 Great info Russ, thanks!
 
 My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
 including the home page and documentation overview pages.
 
 For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
 
 -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers the
 "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, Twitter
 Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S)
 Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
 "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
 question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users
 of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
 addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use 
 Django
 and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and is
 worth the investment.
 A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K -
 Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
 
 
 Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage
 would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and easy
 to navigate.
 
 Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
 community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
 the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, what
 would be an ideal process for this?
 
 How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
 djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
 
 I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
 
 Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a 
 complete
 overhaul in one go?
 
 --
 Dana Woodman
 d...@danawoodman.com
 http://www.danawoodman.com
 
 On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
 
 Hi Dana
 
 
 On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
 
 Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when
 this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
 
 I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for
 something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
 produce) something that is suitable.
 
 
 In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
 it.
 
 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if 
 they
 want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django
 a bit more "sexy".
 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to 
 navigate,
 especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some
 modifications to headers and color choices.
 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
 regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
 community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
 development, lots of built in security, etc...
 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
 
 Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work
 on subversion?
 
 As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub.
 However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:
 
 https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com
 If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
 
 
 In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated
 via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content
 organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean
 changing 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Adnane Belmadiaf]

Hi all,

I would like to introduce myself, here is my proposal
http://i.imgur.com/bnf2e.png

Best,
Adnane Belmadiaf

2012/4/29 Dana Woodman 

> This is my take: http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
>
> Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor 
> wrote:
>
> Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
> up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
>
> Email: alectayl...@gmail.com
>
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman 
> wrote:
>
> Great info Russ, thanks!
>
> My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
> including the home page and documentation overview pages.
>
> For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
>
> -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers the
> "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, Twitter
> Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S)
> Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
> "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
> question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users
> of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
> addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use
> Django
> and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and is
> worth the investment.
> A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K -
> Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
>
>
> Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage
> would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and easy
> to navigate.
>
> Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
> community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
> the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, what
> would be an ideal process for this?
>
> How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
> djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
>
> I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
>
> Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a
> complete
> overhaul in one go?
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
> Hi Dana
>
>
> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when
> this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
>
> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for
> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
> produce) something that is suitable.
>
>
> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
> it.
>
> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if
> they
> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django
> a bit more "sexy".
> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to
> navigate,
> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some
> modifications to headers and color choices.
> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
> regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
> community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
> development, lots of built in security, etc...
> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
>
> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work
> on subversion?
>
> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub.
> However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:
>
> https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com
> If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
>
>
> In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated
> via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content
> organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean
> changing the documentation, but more how other pages and sections are laid
> out.
>
>
> Correct - the documentation is the contents of the /docs directory, as
> rendered by Sphinx. This means that the style of any individual page (e.g.,
> fonts for headings, etc) is part of the Sphinx stylesheet, but the gross
> structure is determined by the file layout in the /docs directory (i.e.,
> one
> page per file).
>
> There's really two tasks contained in what you 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Juan Pablo Martínez]

http://imgur.com/a/186fh
nice :)

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Giovanni Collazo wrote:

> I liked what Dana Woodman did, so I did a design based on that.
>
> Here: http://imgur.com/a/186fh
>
> --
> @gcollazo
> gcoll...@24veces.com
>
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:32:13 PM UTC-4, Dana Woodman wrote:
>>
>> This is my take: 
>> http://cl.ly/**0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o
>>
>> --
>> Dana Woodman
>> d...@danawoodman.com
>> http://www.danawoodman.com
>>
>> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
>>
>> Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
>> up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
>>
>> Email: alectayl...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Great info Russ, thanks!
>>
>> My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
>> including the home page and documentation overview pages.
>>
>> For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
>>
>> -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers
>> the
>> "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example,
>> Twitter
>> Bootstraps's home page: 
>> http://cl.ly/**3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S
>> )
>> Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
>> "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
>> question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users
>> of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
>> addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use
>> Django
>> and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and
>> is
>> worth the investment.
>> A graphical site navigation area, eg: 
>> http://cl.ly/**3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K-
>> Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
>>
>>
>> Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org
>> /) homepage
>> would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and
>> easy
>> to navigate.
>>
>> Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
>> community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
>> the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are,
>> what
>> would be an ideal process for this?
>>
>> How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
>> djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
>>
>> I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
>>
>> Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a
>> complete
>> overhaul in one go?
>>
>> --
>> Dana Woodman
>> d...@danawoodman.com
>> http://www.danawoodman.com
>>
>> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dana
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>>
>> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when
>> this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
>>
>> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking
>> for
>> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
>> produce) something that is suitable.
>>
>>
>> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
>> it.
>>
>> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if
>> they
>> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making
>> Django
>> a bit more "sexy".
>> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to
>> navigate,
>> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some
>> modifications to headers and color choices.
>> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
>> regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
>> community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
>> development, lots of built in security, etc...
>> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
>>
>> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to
>> work
>> on subversion?
>>
>> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on
>> GitHub.
>> However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:
>>
>> https://github.com/django/**djangoproject.com
>> If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
>>
>>
>> In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is
>> generated
>> via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content
>> organization/copy changes or would it just be a design 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Giovanni Collazo]

I liked what Dana Woodman did, so I did a design based on that.

Here: http://imgur.com/a/186fh

--
@gcollazo
gcoll...@24veces.com

On Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:32:13 PM UTC-4, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> This is my take: http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
>
> Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor  
> wrote:
>
> Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
> up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
>
> Email: alectayl...@gmail.com
>
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman  
> wrote:
>
> Great info Russ, thanks!
>
> My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
> including the home page and documentation overview pages.
>
> For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
>
> -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers the
> "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, Twitter
> Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S)
> Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
> "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
> question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users
> of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
> addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use 
> Django
> and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and is
> worth the investment.
> A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K -
> Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
>
>
> Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage
> would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and easy
> to navigate.
>
> Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
> community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
> the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, what
> would be an ideal process for this?
>
> How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
> djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
>
> I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
>
> Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a 
> complete
> overhaul in one go?
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
> Hi Dana
>
>
> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when
> this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
>
> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for
> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
> produce) something that is suitable.
>
>
> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
> it.
>
> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if 
> they
> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django
> a bit more "sexy".
> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to 
> navigate,
> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some
> modifications to headers and color choices.
> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
> regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
> community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
> development, lots of built in security, etc...
> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
>
> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work
> on subversion?
>
> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub.
> However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:
>
> https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com
> If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
>
>
> In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated
> via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content
> organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean
> changing the documentation, but more how other pages and sections are laid
> out.
>
>
> Correct - the documentation is the contents of the /docs directory, as
> rendered by Sphinx. This means that the style of any individual page (e.g.,
> fonts for headings, etc) is part of the Sphinx stylesheet, but the gross
> structure is determined by the file layout in the /docs directory (i.e., 
> one
> page per file).
>
> 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Dana Woodman]

This is my take: http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o

--
Dana Woodman
d...@danawoodman.com (mailto:d...@danawoodman.com)
http://www.danawoodman.com


On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:

> Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor  (mailto:alec.tayl...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
> > up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
> > 
> > Email: alectayl...@gmail.com (mailto:alectayl...@gmail.com)
> > 
> > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman  > (mailto:d...@danawoodman.com)> wrote:
> > > Great info Russ, thanks!
> > > 
> > > My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
> > > including the home page and documentation overview pages.
> > > 
> > > For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
> > > 
> > > -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers 
> > > the
> > > "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, 
> > > Twitter
> > > Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S)
> > > Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
> > > "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
> > > question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users
> > > of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
> > > addons.mozilla.org (http://addons.mozilla.org), etc... This alone would 
> > > get people excited to use Django
> > > and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and 
> > > is
> > > worth the investment.
> > > A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K -
> > > Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage
> > > would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and 
> > > easy
> > > to navigate.
> > > 
> > > Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
> > > community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
> > > the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, 
> > > what
> > > would be an ideal process for this?
> > > 
> > > How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
> > > djangoproject.org (http://djangoproject.org), Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
> > > 
> > > I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
> > > 
> > > Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a 
> > > complete
> > > overhaul in one go?
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Dana Woodman
> > > d...@danawoodman.com (mailto:d...@danawoodman.com)
> > > http://www.danawoodman.com
> > > 
> > > On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Dana
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
> > > 
> > > Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when
> > > this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
> > > 
> > > I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking 
> > > for
> > > something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
> > > produce) something that is suitable.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
> > > it.
> > > 
> > > 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if 
> > > they
> > > want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making 
> > > Django
> > > a bit more "sexy".
> > > 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to 
> > > navigate,
> > > especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some
> > > modifications to headers and color choices.
> > > 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
> > > regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
> > > community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
> > > development, lots of built in security, etc...
> > > 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
> > > 
> > > Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to 
> > > work
> > > on subversion?
> > > 
> > > As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on 
> > > GitHub.
> > > However, djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) has been on GitHub 
> > > for a while:
> > > 
> > > https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com
> > > If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is 
> > > generated
> > > via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content
> > > 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Alec Taylor]

Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png

Thoughts?

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor  wrote:
> Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
> up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.
>
> Email: alectayl...@gmail.com
>
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman  wrote:
>> Great info Russ, thanks!
>>
>> My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
>> including the home page and documentation overview pages.
>>
>> For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
>>
>> -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers the
>> "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, Twitter
>> Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S)
>> Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
>> "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
>> question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users
>> of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
>> addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use Django
>> and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and is
>> worth the investment.
>> A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K -
>> Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
>>
>>
>> Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage
>> would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and easy
>> to navigate.
>>
>> Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
>> community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
>> the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, what
>> would be an ideal process for this?
>>
>> How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
>> djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
>>
>> I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
>>
>> Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a complete
>> overhaul in one go?
>>
>> --
>> Dana Woodman
>> d...@danawoodman.com
>> http://www.danawoodman.com
>>
>> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dana
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>>
>> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when
>> this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
>>
>> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for
>> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
>> produce) something that is suitable.
>>
>>
>> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
>> it.
>>
>> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if they
>> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django
>> a bit more "sexy".
>> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to navigate,
>> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some
>> modifications to headers and color choices.
>> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
>> regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
>> community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
>> development, lots of built in security, etc...
>> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
>>
>> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work
>> on subversion?
>>
>> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub.
>> However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:
>>
>> https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com
>> If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
>>
>>
>> In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated
>> via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content
>> organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean
>> changing the documentation, but more how other pages and sections are laid
>> out.
>>
>>
>> Correct - the documentation is the contents of the /docs directory, as
>> rendered by Sphinx. This means that the style of any individual page (e.g.,
>> fonts for headings, etc) is part of the Sphinx stylesheet, but the gross
>> structure is determined by the file layout in the /docs directory (i.e., one
>> page per file).
>>
>> There's really two tasks contained in what you have described here:
>>
>> 1) Restyling the docs to make them easier to read
>>
>> 2) Reorganizing the docs to make information easier to find.
>>
>> 1) is definitely the remit of this design project. (2) is a much bigger
>> project. Unless you're going to keep it simple - e.g., a 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Alec Taylor]

Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something
up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo.

Email: alectayl...@gmail.com

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman  wrote:
> Great info Russ, thanks!
>
> My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections,
> including the home page and documentation overview pages.
>
> For the home page I'd see something like this working well:
>
> -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers the
> "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, Twitter
> Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S)
> Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
> "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?"
> question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users
> of Django on here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo,
> addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use Django
> and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and is
> worth the investment.
> A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K -
> Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.
>
>
> Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage
> would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and easy
> to navigate.
>
> Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the
> community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with
> the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, what
> would be an ideal process for this?
>
> How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on
> djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?
>
> I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?
>
> Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a complete
> overhaul in one go?
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
> Hi Dana
>
>
> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when
> this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
>
> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for
> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or
> produce) something that is suitable.
>
>
> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see
> it.
>
> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if they
> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django
> a bit more "sexy".
> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to navigate,
> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some
> modifications to headers and color choices.
> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in
> regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active
> community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active
> development, lots of built in security, etc...
> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right.
>
> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work
> on subversion?
>
> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub.
> However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:
>
> https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com
> If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
>
>
> In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated
> via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content
> organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean
> changing the documentation, but more how other pages and sections are laid
> out.
>
>
> Correct - the documentation is the contents of the /docs directory, as
> rendered by Sphinx. This means that the style of any individual page (e.g.,
> fonts for headings, etc) is part of the Sphinx stylesheet, but the gross
> structure is determined by the file layout in the /docs directory (i.e., one
> page per file).
>
> There's really two tasks contained in what you have described here:
>
> 1) Restyling the docs to make them easier to read
>
> 2) Reorganizing the docs to make information easier to find.
>
> 1) is definitely the remit of this design project. (2) is a much bigger
> project. Unless you're going to keep it simple - e.g., a proposing better
> home page layout for the docs - it may be better to leave the structure of
> the docs as a separate issue.
>
> I assume I'd also need to work on the code.djangoproject.org
> (http://code.djangoproject.org) site as well? Are there other things that
> 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Dana Woodman]

Great info Russ, thanks!

My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections, 
including the home page and documentation overview pages. 

For the home page I'd see something like this working well:

-Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers the 
"What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, Twitter 
Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S)
Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question
"Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?" question. 
BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users of Django on 
here?  Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo, addons.mozilla.org 
(http://addons.mozilla.org), etc... This alone would get people excited to use 
Django and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and 
is worth the investment.
A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K - Give 
people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site.



Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage 
would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and easy to 
navigate.

Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the 
community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with the 
documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, what would 
be an ideal process for this?

How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on 
djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...?

I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin?

Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a complete 
overhaul in one go? 

--
Dana Woodman
d...@danawoodman.com (mailto:d...@danawoodman.com)
http://www.danawoodman.com


On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:

> Hi Dana
> 
> 
> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
> 
> > Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when 
> > this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for 
> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or 
> produce) something that is suitable.
> > 
> > In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see 
> > it. 
> > 
> > 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if 
> > they want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making 
> > Django a bit more "sexy". 
> > 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to 
> > navigate, especially for new users. I think this could be partially 
> > remedied by some modifications to headers and color choices. 
> > 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in 
> > regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active 
> > community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active 
> > development, lots of built in security, etc...
> > 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right. 
> > 
> > Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work 
> > on subversion?
> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub. 
> However, djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) has been on GitHub for 
> a while:
> 
> https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com
> 
> If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
> > 
> > In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated 
> > via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content 
> > organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean 
> > changing the documentation, but more how other pages and sections are laid 
> > out.
> 
> Correct - the documentation is the contents of the /docs directory, as 
> rendered by Sphinx. This means that the style of any individual page (e.g., 
> fonts for headings, etc) is part of the Sphinx stylesheet, but the gross 
> structure is determined by the file layout in the /docs directory (i.e., one 
> page per file).
> 
> There's really two tasks contained in what you have described here:
> 
> 1) Restyling the docs to make them easier to read
> 
> 2) Reorganizing the docs to make information easier to find.
> 
> 1) is definitely the remit of this design project. (2) is a much bigger 
> project. Unless you're going to keep it simple - e.g., a proposing better 
> home page layout for the docs - it may be better to leave the structure of 
> the docs as a separate issue.
> > I assume I'd also need to work on the code.djangoproject.org 
> > (http://code.djangoproject.org) (http://code.djangoproject.org) site as 
> > well? Are there other things that would need to change? I'd really need the 
> > scope down so I know how and where to 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Russell Keith-Magee]

Hi Dana


On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:

> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when 
> this was discussed last time, if they're still around.
> 
I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for 
something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or 
produce) something that is suitable.
> 
> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see it. 
> 
> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if they 
> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django a 
> bit more "sexy". 
> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to navigate, 
> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some 
> modifications to headers and color choices. 
> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in regards 
> to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active community and 
> plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active development, lots of 
> built in security, etc...
> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right. 
> 
> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work 
> on subversion?
> 
As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub. 
However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while:

https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com
 
If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start.
> 
> In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated 
> via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content 
> organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean 
> changing the documentation, but more how other pages and sections are laid 
> out.

Correct - the documentation is the contents of the /docs directory, as rendered 
by Sphinx. This means that the style of any individual page (e.g., fonts for 
headings, etc) is part of the Sphinx stylesheet, but the gross structure is 
determined by the file layout in the /docs directory (i.e., one page per file).

There's really two tasks contained in what you have described here:

 1) Restyling the docs to make them easier to read

 2) Reorganizing the docs to make information easier to find.

1) is definitely the remit of this design project. (2) is a much bigger 
project. Unless you're going to keep it simple - e.g., a proposing better home 
page layout for the docs - it may be better to leave the structure of the docs 
as a separate issue.
> I assume I'd also need to work on the code.djangoproject.org 
> (http://code.djangoproject.org) site as well? Are there other things that 
> would need to change? I'd really need the scope down so I know how and where 
> to start.

There's also pages for the foundation; these aren't currently linked to from 
the homepage, so they're really well hidden. Right now, they're currently 
implemented as flat pages. 

However, as the brief indicates, we'd like to have a bunch of broader design 
guidelines so if we want to improve any existing section of the site, or if any 
other project comes along and we want to integrate them into djangoproject.com 
(e.g., Django People or Django Packages), we can give that project a style 
guide to work with.

More importantly, one of my goals with this project is to broaden the base of 
"active design experts" that we have as a project. The core coding team has a 
relatively low bus factor -- if one of us stops committing, there are plenty of 
others who know the code and can maintain the project in our absence. However, 
our design bus factor is somewhere between 1 and 0 -- we've got Idan as our 
Benevolent Designer for Life, but he's a busy man; we really need to surround 
him with a bunch of talented designers, in the same way that we've got Jacob 
and Adrian, plus a bunch of talented developers. 

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)
> 
> This is no simple task so any direction or help would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:11 AM, Chris Pickett  (mailto:chris.pick...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> 
> > It seems to me that this might be one of those opportunities to just jump 
> > right in and get your hands dirty. I many ways I don't know if a redesign 
> > is going to happen without someone taking the initiative and getting it 
> > done, so it might as well be you! :)
> > 
> > On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:22:59 AM UTC-5, Dana Woodman wrote:
> > > So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), 
> > > maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the 
> > > project ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?
> > > 
> > > Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially 
> > > contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't 
> > > think I'm alone) that 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Russell Keith-Magee]

Hi Ned,

It occurs to me that the design brief we've been using actually does a pretty 
good job of answering your questions, and there aren't any big secrets in those 
plans, so I figure I might as well share it for all to see. 


djangoproject.com design brief: 

We're not looking for anything too radical. It's really just about bringing the 
site up to current industry best practice, and exposing some information that 
is hidden on the current site.

* We need a visual refresh, keeping the same basic Django green-based color 
scheme. The web design world has moved on a bit since 2005; Django's site 
should reflect those changes. We say we're a state-of-the-art framework, so our 
design should reflect that. This means good uses of font faces, adaptive 
layouts, and so on -- all the things that have emerged in the best of web 
design over the last couple of years.

* It has to maintain a professional image -- no ponies or anything like that.

* Provide better pathways for people visiting the site. The site now has 
multiple audiences, who will each be looking for different information:
 - First time technical users, looking for technical overviews and tutorials
 - Long term users looking for documentation,
 - Users wanting to get involved with contributing code/patches/documentation
 - Business users considering Django that need a non-technical case

The current site doesn't reflect this diverse audience very well, and doesn't 
provide a clear call to action/next step for most of these visitors

* Increase the visibility of the DSF -- which is to say, make the DSF visible 
at all. The biggest subtask in this is making our sponsors visible. We're not 
looking to splash advertising over the homepage, but we do need to provide a 
clear way to say thank you to our sponsors, and invite others to join them.

* Ability to keep a consistent design across code.djangoproject.com 
(http://code.djangoproject.com), docs.djangoproject.com 
(http://docs.djangoproject.com) and any other sites that we pull into the mix.

* Flexibility to add links out to other community resources as we add them -- 
for example, if we resurrect djangopeople.net (http://djangopeople.net), we 
would like to be able to link to them somewhere on the site. The current site 
design doesn't really provide an appropriate place to put this sort of linkage.



Yours,
Russ Magee %-)


On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 9:53 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:

> Will there be any specific discussion about what's wrong with the current 
> site? You two seem to agree something needs to be done, but haven't mentioned 
> anything specific. 
> 
> --Ned.
> 
> On 4/28/2012 4:13 AM, Dana Woodman wrote: 
> > Great to know they're is some interest in it and agreement that it is in 
> > need :) 
> > 
> > I'm very interested in the prospect of redesigning the site and would love 
> > to chat more about it. I feel like I owe the Django community something for 
> > all that it has given me (including the job I currently have!). I'd love to 
> > talk scope and other factors so I have a clear idea of what would be 
> > involved. 
> > 
> > Is this a good forum for this type of discussion or should we get in touch 
> > elsewhere to talk? You can get in touch with me here: 
> > http://danawoodman.com/ 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Dana Woodman
> > d...@danawoodman.com (mailto:d...@danawoodman.com)
> > http://www.danawoodman.com
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Dana,
> > > 
> > > I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of 
> > > djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) going for quite some time 
> > > under the auspices of the Django Foundation. As you can see from the lack 
> > > of changes, you can see that I haven't been particularly successful :-( 
> > > 
> > > The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our 
> > > disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there 
> > > aren't many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just 
> > > that they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django 
> > > design community asking them to help out, and some have even made done 
> > > some initial work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like 
> > > djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) is a big job, and nobody has 
> > > been able to spare the time to bring the job to completion. 
> > > 
> > > So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by 
> > > committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person 
> > > (or a small group) and give them complete control over design process. 
> > > I'm not completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions 
> > > are welcome. 
> > > 
> > > If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you 
> > > the design brief we've been working with. 
> > > 
> > > Yours, 
> > > Russ Magee %-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 

Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Dana Woodman]

Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when this 
was discussed last time, if they're still around.

In regards to what  needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see it. 

1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if they 
want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django a 
bit more "sexy". 
2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to navigate, 
especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some 
modifications to headers and color choices. 
3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in regards 
to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active community and 
plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active development, lots of 
built in security, etc...
4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right. 

Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work on 
subversion?

In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated via 
the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content 
organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean 
changing the documentation, but more how other pages and sections are laid out. 

I assume I'd also need to work on the code.djangoproject.org site as well? Are 
there other things that would need to change? I'd really need the scope down so 
I know how and where to start. 

This is no simple task so any direction or help would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers

On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:11 AM, Chris Pickett  wrote:

> It seems to me that this might be one of those opportunities to just jump 
> right in and get your hands dirty. I many ways I don't know if a redesign is 
> going to happen without someone taking the initiative and getting it done, so 
> it might as well be you! :)
> 
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:22:59 AM UTC-5, Dana Woodman wrote:
> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe it 
> would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project ala 
> djangoproject.com?
> 
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions 
> as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm alone) 
> that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift. 
> 
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure 
> there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could 
> open up some discussion on this idea? 
> 
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
> 
> Cheers,
> Dana
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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Chris Pickett]

It seems to me that this might be one of those opportunities to just jump 
right in and get your hands dirty. I many ways I don't know if a redesign 
is going to happen without someone taking the initiative and getting it 
done, so it might as well be you! :)

On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:22:59 AM UTC-5, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe 
> it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project 
> ala djangoproject.com?
>
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially 
> contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't 
> think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com could use a bit of a facelift. 
>
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm 
> sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we 
> could open up some discussion on this idea? 
>
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
>
> Cheers,
> Dana
>

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Alec Taylor]

I can throw in some UX designing if you want

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Ned Batchelder  wrote:
> Will there be any specific discussion about what's wrong with the current
> site?  You two seem to agree something needs to be done, but haven't
> mentioned anything specific.
>
> --Ned.
>
>
> On 4/28/2012 4:13 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> Great to know they're is some interest in it and agreement that it is in
> need :)
>
> I'm very interested in the prospect of redesigning the site and would love
> to chat more about it. I feel like I owe the Django community something for
> all that it has given me (including the job I currently have!). I'd love to
> talk scope and other factors so I have a clear idea of what would be
> involved.
>
> Is this a good forum for this type of discussion or should we get in touch
> elsewhere to talk? You can get in touch with me
> here: http://danawoodman.com/
>
> --
> Dana Woodman
> d...@danawoodman.com
> http://www.danawoodman.com
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
> Hi Dana,
>
> I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of djangoproject.com
> going for quite some time under the auspices of the Django Foundation. As
> you can see from the lack of changes, you can see that I haven't been
> particularly successful :-(
>
> The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our
> disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there aren't
> many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just that
> they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django design
> community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some initial
> work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like djangoproject.com is a
> big job, and nobody has been able to spare the time to bring the job to
> completion.
>
> So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by
> committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or a
> small group) and give them complete control over design process. I'm not
> completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are
> welcome.
>
> If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you the
> design brief we've been working with.
>
> Yours,
> Russ Magee %-)
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote:
>
> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe
> it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project
> ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?
>
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions
> as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm
> alone) that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could use a bit of
> a facelift.
>
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure
> there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could
> open up some discussion on this idea?
>
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
>
> Cheers,
> Dana
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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Ned Batchelder]

Will there be any specific discussion about what's wrong with the 
current site?  You two seem to agree something needs to be done, but 
haven't mentioned anything specific.


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On 4/28/2012 4:13 AM, Dana Woodman wrote:
Great to know they're is some interest in it and agreement that it is 
in need :)


I'm very interested in the prospect of redesigning the site and would 
love to chat more about it. I feel like I owe the Django community 
something for all that it has given me (including the job I currently 
have!). I'd love to talk scope and other factors so I have a clear 
idea of what would be involved.


Is this a good forum for this type of discussion or should we get in 
touch elsewhere to talk? You can get in touch with me here: 
http://danawoodman.com/


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On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:


Hi Dana,

I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of 
djangoproject.com  going for quite some 
time under the auspices of the Django Foundation. As you can see from 
the lack of changes, you can see that I haven't been particularly 
successful :-(


The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at 
our disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that 
there aren't many talented designers in our community -- there are -- 
it's just that they're all very busy. We've approached several people 
in the Django design community asking them to help out, and some have 
even made done some initial work. However, redesign of a high-profile 
site like djangoproject.com  is a big job, 
and nobody has been able to spare the time to bring the job to 
completion.


So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by 
committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single 
person (or a small group) and give them complete control over design 
process. I'm not completely sure how to organise who gets this role 
-- suggestions are welcome.


If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give 
you the design brief we've been working with.


Yours,
Russ Magee %-)



On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote:

So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), 
maybe it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page 
for the project ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?


Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially 
contentions as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I 
don't think I'm alone) that djangoproject.com 
(http://djangoproject.com) could use a bit of a facelift.


I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and 
I'm sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as 
well. Maybe we could open up some discussion on this idea?


Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!

Cheers,
Dana

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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Dana Woodman]

Great to know they're is some interest in it and agreement that it is in need :)

I'm very interested in the prospect of redesigning the site and would love to 
chat more about it. I feel like I owe the Django community something for all 
that it has given me (including the job I currently have!). I'd love to talk 
scope and other factors so I have a clear idea of what would be involved. 

Is this a good forum for this type of discussion or should we get in touch 
elsewhere to talk? You can get in touch with me here: http://danawoodman.com/ 

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On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:

> Hi Dana,
> 
> I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of djangoproject.com 
> (http://djangoproject.com) going for quite some time under the auspices of 
> the Django Foundation. As you can see from the lack of changes, you can see 
> that I haven't been particularly successful :-(
> 
> The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our 
> disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there aren't 
> many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just that 
> they're all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django design 
> community asking them to help out, and some have even made done some initial 
> work. However, redesign of a high-profile site like djangoproject.com 
> (http://djangoproject.com) is a big job, and nobody has been able to spare 
> the time to bring the job to completion.
> 
> So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by 
> committee -- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or a 
> small group) and give them complete control over design process. I'm not 
> completely sure how to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are welcome.
> 
> If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you the 
> design brief we've been working with.
> 
> Yours,
> Russ Magee %-)
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote:
> 
> > So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe 
> > it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project 
> > ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?
> > 
> > Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions 
> > as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm 
> > alone) that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could use a bit of 
> > a facelift. 
> > 
> > I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm 
> > sure there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we 
> > could open up some discussion on this idea? 
> > 
> > Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Dana
> > 
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Re: Redesign of djangoproject.com?

[Russell Keith-Magee]

Hi Dana,

I completely agree. I've been trying to get a redesign of djangoproject.com 
going for quite some time under the auspices of the Django Foundation. As you 
can see from the lack of changes, you can see that I haven't been particularly 
successful :-(

The fundamental problem is that we have plenty of coding talent at our 
disposal, but not as much design talent. That's not to say that there aren't 
many talented designers in our community -- there are -- it's just that they're 
all very busy. We've approached several people in the Django design community 
asking them to help out, and some have even made done some initial work. 
However, redesign of a high-profile site like djangoproject.com is a big job, 
and nobody has been able to spare the time to bring the job to completion.

So - at this point I'm open to any offers. I want to avoid design by committee 
-- ideally, I would like to pass this off to a single person (or a small group) 
and give them complete control over design process. I'm not completely sure how 
to organise who gets this role -- suggestions are welcome.

If you (or anyone else) is interested, drop me a line and I can give you the 
design brief we've been working with.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)



On Saturday, 28 April 2012 at 3:22 PM, Dana Woodman wrote:

> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe it 
> would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project ala 
> djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)?
> 
> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions 
> as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm alone) 
> that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could use a bit of a 
> facelift. 
> 
> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm sure 
> there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we could 
> open up some discussion on this idea? 
> 
> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group!
> 
> Cheers,
> Dana
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