[e-gold-list] Re: My E-gold Account had password stolen
Hi, My E-gold account was hacked and all the E-gold taken ! that sucks ass that that happened, but it's unlikely your account was hacked, Lim. if your account was hacked, that would suggest that someone actually hacked in to, broke into, the e-gold servers, and stole your money. if that was the case, e-gold, indeed Jay!, would be (incredibly!) liable and e-gold would be in a world of shit. however, I reckon it is extremely unlikely that happened. Probably, someone got your password from you. How could you have lost your password? (*) keyboard sniffer? (*) simple password easy to guess? Let's figure it out! Here are the details: Time 6/3/01 10:57 (GMT) Type Payment Batch 2754884 e-metal Gold Weight(troy oz.) -0.663667 To/From Account 315948 Entered Amount 177.00 Rate per oz. US$ 266.70 To: AVIDA LTD. I don't know what the hack is AVIDA LTD. Someone please stop and bar their account! Regards, 267169 (Rosemee) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] its all in the charts
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/61 looks like a weak turn around signal to me, what do you say Bob? That would suggest the price will start heading UP when the market opens in a few hours - let's see. I URGE everyont to read Bob Nugent's column this week: http://www.bananagold.com/bob.html where he reveals that money supply has been growing at 24 percent (thats TWENTY FOUR PERCENT, not two point four percent) lately - read it now! --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: My E-gold Account had password stolen
Hi, I used at least 15 chars for my password. All my password are unique. The E-Qold.com is not working. Not even my wife knows the password I used. It is never stored online nor offline. It is only in my head. And I don't joint any of those fly by night HYIP program and has never given my E-gold account number to anybody except when I do my payment into HYO, MMFC and Cornucopia using E-gold Interface cart. That all sounds good --- (*) did you ever visit e-Qold while it was working? Perhaps accidentally? (*) could there be a problem with HYO, MMFC, or Cornucopia? (I have no idea what those are) On the same day, there was also an attempt to login to my other account but it was an unsuccessful attempt. That's unusual. If someone used a keyboard sniffer to get your password, they would KNOW the other password, so, there'd be no reason for them to unsuccessful try to get into it - they WOULD HAVE gotten into it. How can we know if keyboard sniffer nas sneaked into our system. I don't know. Any PC experts out there? It could also be a network sniffer. No, SSL (ie, https) protects you from that, completely. It seems to happen right after the E-gold maintenance. It's very unlikely that e-gold themselves have a problem, or were hacked in any way. If so, there would be a lot of fraud reported. Any suggestion? Ka Seong --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Even More Gold
Two more bars entered on a Sunday night... Who's buying all this gold? What's an equivalent dollar figure for all these recent bars, guys?? --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Even More Gold
What's an equivalent dollar figure for all these recent bars, guys?? A 400 oz. gold bar is currently worth US$106,800. So the 10 bars that have been bailed in in the past 5 days have a value of over $1 million. The total e-gold reserve has increased by ~9%. that's a lot of inXchange! It's a great pity e-gold no longer deign to comment on this list and have generally adopted a more secretive view of things. Viking Coder --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] cubes
Did you know that all the gold mined since mankind hold in a cube that has only 19 meters on its sides? don't forget though, that is 19x19x19 = 7000 cubic meters. Really big dump trucks (picture a NY city trash truck, say) only hold a few cubic meters of stuff. I'd heard that (I think this means it could all just barely fit in my little apartment!). An actual 19-meter cube of gold-spraypainted styrofoam just might make an interesting item for some group trying to make a point about how rare gold is. I wonder how they came up with this figure? And I wonder how much is in central bank vaults, and how much is being worn as jewelry, and how much is in our computers (or other industrial uses)? I also wonder how much of the cube would be taken up by 121 400oz bars if they were all melted down, Someone must know the dimendions of those bars. let's say they are about 8 inches long and four across and 2 up. That means there would be about 5 lengthways in a metre, 10 of them across in a meter and 20 upwards in a meter. So, a cubic meter of those bars would be about 5.10.20 = 1000 of those bars. My guess would be one thousand to a few thousand of those bars make up one cubic meter (Another way to think about it --- a common pick up truck, a chevy or ford, holds a cubic meter or so. How many of those bars could you pile into a chevy - probably a few thousand, I think.) (Needless to say the suspension would be shot!) Does anyone know how many cubic yards of coal a coal-wagon holds in a big freight train? 10? 15? 20? and what size THAT cube-within-a-cube might be? JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] remember FunBonds?
I myself had largely fogotten about FunBonds, which are an amazing thing the TGC people had us program. Basically, you are betting on rising number of hands played per day at the gold casino. Now, my programmers can look at the TGC database from time to time when maintaining it or adding to it, and I can tell you that simply there has never been a time, long term, when playership has not slowly risen. (As you would expect.) Thus, quite simply on average funbonds LOSE money for the casino, ie, it is (I assume?) a marketing ploy to slowly give away a little gold, as a promotion to players. If you continually buy funbonds there is no question that you will, on average, make money (and indeed it's very rare that any individual bond loses). By timing the wekeends or whatever you can certainly make even more. I notice the price of the bonds today is 4.3605 grams. I would simply buy any day the price is low. Looking at the table of the last 15 days payout, you can judge for yourself what is low, my guess would be dont buy when the price is over about 6500 and buy without hesitation when the price is under say 4000 they seem to have issued 125 bonds, and there are usually at least 50 available, so its perfectly liquid. http://www.thegoldcasino.com/im/2000/funbonds.gif http://www.thegoldcasino.com/cgi-bin/funbonds.cgi i think if you were careful, there is no question at all that you couldn't increase by say 10-20%, every bond-cycle (ten days). unfortunately, I see they have set the ownership limit to 10 bonds per player, and you must play hands occasionally, but its still cool amazing stuff! jp --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Parker Bradley -- awesome!
At 10:39 PM -0400 6/4/01, C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: Gold specific gravity is 19.3 ton per cubic meter Fantastic! So if you filled your 1-ton chevy pick up truck with gold, instead of dirt, the load WOULD WIEGH AROUND TWENTY OR THIRTY TONS (Compare a half ton or so for dirt) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] injunction
yeah, here's the whole thing! http://www.systemics.com/legal/affidavit.txt +---+ IN THE EASTERN CARIBBEAN SUPREME COURT |REGISTRAR's| IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE | OFFICE | ANGUILLA CIRCUIT| 9.55am | (CIVIL) |MAY 25 2001| A.D. 2001| ANGUILLA | +---+ Claim No. 2001/0039 BETWEEN: DIGIGOLD.NET LIMITED Claimant AND SYSTEMICS INC. IAN GRIGG Defendents AFFIDAVIT OF BARRY DOWNEY IN SUPPORT OF APPLICATION FOR INJUNCTION I, BARRY DOWNEY, of One W. Pennsylvania Ave. Suite 950, Baltimore, Maryland 21204, being duly sworn MAKE OATH and say as follows: 1. That I am attorney at law, admitted to practice in the State of Maryland, and The United States Counsel to DigiGold.net Ltd, the Plaintiff herein. In addition, I also represent some of the shareholders of the First-named Defendant Company. I have full knowledge of certain information relevant to this suit and am duly authorised to make this Affidavit in support of the Plaintiff's application for an injunction against the Defendants. 2. The Defendant Company, Systemics Inc. is a Nevis corporation. The Defendant Ian Grigg is the principal shareholder of the Defendant Corporation, its Software System Manager and one [sic] the Programmers of the said Corporation. 3. In or about August 1999 the Plaintiff, a Nevis Corporation, entered into a software licence agreement with the said Defendant Company, Systemics Inc. whereby the Defendant Company would developed [sic] under the software license [sic] a product that is a gold backed digital cash called DigiGold. The DigiGold digital cash can be traded against other financial instruments using the Market Server developed by the Defendants. The Plaintiff pursuint to the Agreement funded this development. 4. A further Agreement between the parties provided that the Plaintiff and its shareholders are entitled to 25% of the shares in the Defendant Corporation. A copy of the said Software Licence Agreement is exhibited herewith and labelled BD1 for identification. 5. The Market Server and the server hosting the software and related products are housed and operated in Anguilla. 6. Pursuant to the agreement the Plaintiff has provided funding on as needed and as requested basis under this Agreement. 7. The total funds that have been sent by the Plaintiff Company and its shareholders over the two-year period are approximately US$370,000.00. As far as the Plaintiff is aware, this is the total funding that the Defendents have received from all sources. 8. The Second named Defendant, made his last request for funds in May 2000. Thereafter, the Plaintiff made several attempts to get him to ask for additional funds, but in October 2000, the Second Defendant, as agent of the First- Named Defendant, indicated for the first time that the relationship between the parties had changed and he did not think he could continue working with Plaintiff [sic]. 9. The Plaintiff has made several attempts to get the Defendants to accept additional funding, but the Second-named Defendant either did not respond to these requests or indicated that he had made other commitments and did not know if he could continue to support the projects and would let the Plaintiff know. The plaintiff has made attempt after attempt to enter into discussions to resolve the dispute without results. A copy of the e-mailed correspondence is exhibited herewith as a bundle and labelled BD2 for indentification. 10. On May 21, 2001, the Second named-Defendant sent a notice to the Plaintiff that precipitously terminates the support for DigiGold and indicates that the DigiGold server will be taken offline as of Friday, May 25, 2001. 11. This termination will cause immediate and irreperable damange to the Plaintiff and to all persons who hold any balance of the digital cash DigiGold. The Defendants intend and will exclude [sic] DigiGold from the Market Server. 12. DigiGold has been operational in beta form for over one year. This digital cash has been sold over this period and a substantial amount of the digital cash is outstanding in the market that will be rendered useless if the DigiGold server is pulled offline and the software support is discontinued. 13. The Plaintiff has repeatedly confirmed its willingness to continue funding the project under the software license but to no avail. The Plaintiff will escrow the funding if necessary to confirm its commitment to fulfil its obligations under the said license. 14. The intervention of the Court
[e-gold-list] Re: Even More Gold
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote how do I get some of this gold? Exactly like everybody can get e-gold. Either a) Do an exchange with a MM, exchange provider, etc... who will take your paper, or plastic, money and give you gold. Tril has a nice directory @ http://tril.tunes.org/e-gold/links.html Anybody know when the eCurrency Association is going to go live? OR b) Sell something for gold This is about the only way to get e-gold without paying exchange fees. or I guess (c) get a job where you are paid in e-gold. My estimate is there are about (*) a dozen humans who are full time employees who get paid in e-gold (*) 20+ humans who get paid in e-gold for freelance work seriously (say $20,000 worth plus per annum) (*) maybe 100? who get paid in e-gold for freelance work irregularly (the odd few hundred dollars worth here and there) Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Funbonds
Yes, I've done quite well with funbonds over the last year. They're especially good to stop you gambling all your money away at one, as they pay you a return every 24 hours for 10 days. Ben, how often do you find you win, overall, on a given bond? 3 out of 4 times .. less than that? almost always? Do you find timing it by trying to eg. include weekends or whatever, makes any difference, or is it irrelevant? Have you noticed the price of the bonds is slowing rising over the months (it should if its all working correctly). About 4 grams these days right? Do you spread out your purchases or buy them in a pile? Perhaps you could start a mutual fund where you manage people's investments in gold bonds :) Join the gold casino, if only to compare it to other real-life or virtual establishments. The other day I got 3 blackjacks in a row! How often has that happened at a real-world casino??? http://www.thegoldcasino.com/win.cgi?9784630 New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Heap of Gold / E-Gold Problems.....................
Hello Everyone, Has everyone gotten satisfaction from Heap of Gold regarding the security breach at E-gold / Omnipay ? I can't recommend them until this is 100% resolved. Steven - The E-Gold system has suffered a security breach of their system. This is utter, total bullshit. What a heap of shit. There is no question that heap of gold (what a fucking name), were a bunch of fucking sloppy losers. It's appalling that anyone who is such a pile of slop could dare to say they are in business, far less exchanging money for gold. Don't like it -- SUE ME. I'll take you to court in any jurisdiction and demonstrate that Heap of Gold are a bunch of fucking sloppy losers. THERE IS ONE WAY HEAP OF GOLD LOST THEIR GOLD -- VIA LOSING THEIR PASSWORD. I swear to god, there needs to be a vigilante group that goes around and beats the fucking SHIT out of sloppy losers who call themselves market makers and cause all this chaos. We are no longer a market maker for E-Gold and cannot in good faith recommend use of this system. We have returned the portion of your funds that were not taken during the breach of the E-Gold system. E-Gold has the remainder of your funds. E-Gold tracked the hackers in their system and seized the funds. To date they have been unwilling to return the stolen funds per their own policy. If we received the funds back from E-Gold we will forward the remainder of your funds back to you. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Invitation from Sani Holidays
that's astounding! good one. Dear member list, I have good news for you interested to take holidays in LOMBOK ISLAND. Now Sani Holidays achivee e-gold as payment. Please read the following lines for reference. regards, m.khairul bahri Dear Mr. M Khairul Bahri, Greetings from Sani Holidays, www.saniholidays.com - Your Travel Agent to LOMBOK ISLAND. Sani Holidays offering hotel accomodation in LOMBOK ISLAND, including SENGGIGI, GILI ISLANDS AND KUTA-LOMBOK. With us you can prepare your holiday within 24 hours. Why we can be the fastest one ?. Because now we accept e-gold as our payment method. Thank your for your attention. Kind regards, Sitti Sani Nurhayati Sani Holidays - Your Travel Agent to Lombok Island email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Email ini dikirim oleh PlasaCom : http://www.plasa.com Kunjungi teman lama anda di KSI : http://ksi.plasa.com -- --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] worthy of a donation
http://www.lemetropolecafe.com/kiki_table.cfm?cfid=74287cftoken=12014 719pid=1531 those boys accept e-gold ... 321005 ... send 'em a few centigrams! JP --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] end of a pyramid scheme
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[e-gold-list] Re: DIRT
More and more, I think the world should just turn off javascript Viking, is there a way for a site to refuse service UNLESS you have js turned off? Example, I am jpgold.com You come to my site -- IF your browser has javascript running, my site recognizes that and tells you cannot log into your jpgold.com account. JP http://www.codexdatasystems.com Watch the status bar of your browser (at the bottom of the screen) when you click into their site. A harmless javascript script that pretends to violate your privacy by searching your hard drive downloading all of your files even remotely formatting your hard drive. You can only obtain info on this software if you send them a request on your agency letterhead. The only reason this is lawful is that they are selling it to the people who make the laws. Viking Coder --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] all in the charts
looks like a FLAG, it will explode either upwards or downwards soon my guess, up! --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: consensual crimes
Read _Aint nobody's business if you do_, a great book! http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/ Free online, with the author's consent. the poor bastard having been killed by the government recently. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.
Hell, serfs didn't have as much taken from them as Americans do now.
However, Heritage's index is not the only one out there. I forget
who puts out the other one.
Serfs also didn't have anywhere near the amount of wealth the average
(and poor) Americans do today. So, I guess one way of looking at it is
that people are willing to give up more freedom, if it means they can be
more wealthy.
Tristan
I'm not sure if those two things correlate, Tristan.
It's more like this: there has only really been one time people were
free: since the American Revolution, and until America Got Fucked, ie
the time of FDR, the invention of the income tax, etc.
When people (like me!) say America today is fucked, we pay
slave-level-taxes, note that that means IN COMPARISON TO America
before the 1930s.
{There's really no other historical time you'd be saying America is
fucked in comparision to for example America today is fucked
compared to ancient engyt doesnt make sense, those guys were all
slaves; ditto for America today is fucked compared to middle ages
Europe or America today is fucked compared to China or whatever.
Saying American today is fucked, certainly means compared to
America before 1930}
Here's a great article!
http://chaostan.com
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[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.
Do you really think that slavery produces wealth? Yeah, but not for the slaves. I used my words carefully. I know. I was just playing around. While slave labor may produce some wealth which some slave holders may well acquire If a slave holder has a lot of slaves, it is a very effective means of producing wealth for the slave holder. Wait -- producing wealth in the sense that Tristan mentioned it, was more as in the wealth of nations, ie, grossly adding to the overall level of the planet That's in contrast to one person getting wealthy compared to those around him at the time. For instance, any dickhead perl programmer circa 1990 is spectacularly more wealthy (in any measureable way ... quality/quantity of food, household appliances, vehicles etc) than an antedilluvian planter family. Wealth is produced through labor. Nah -- it's not like you to be wrong Viking! :) Labor is *shit*. It has nothing to do with wealth. Wealth is ideas. No one ever has gotten rich through labor. In a few years, what, ten, labor will cease to exist, simple robots will be able to take your order at McDonalds and install plumbing. Indeed the US civil war was about the South (a LABOR-BASED society -- a very old fashioned economic idea) versus the North (an INDUSTRIAL society -- a somewhat more modern idea at the time) Labor is no more central to pure wealth creation than, say, Franchizing or Derivatives. Franchiing, Labor and Derivatives were all interesting key concepts that in different historical eras were important in wealth creation, but there's no sense in which any of those produce wealth Wealth is only produced in one simple way -- human thought. Douglas Jackson thinks up e-gold wealth. Large amounts of 'free' labor produce large amounts of wealth for the holder of the 'free' labor. slavery itself is not **productive** of more wealth than freedom. Very true. Much more freedom is taken away than wealth is produced. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.
Unfree Americans may be wealthier than serfs but it does not follow that the wealth is a consequence of our lack of freedom. Do you really think that slavery produces wealth? I never said that wealth is a consequence of our lack of freedom. (I say our because freedom is really a state of mind; you can achieve it yourself if you seriously want to). If you had read what I wrote carefully, I said: people are willing to give up more freedom, if it means they can be more wealthy. Nah, not really. There has never been a case where LESS freedom meant MORE prospoerity. IF there was, then socialism would work. In this universe, as it happens, socialism does not work, and laissez faireism does. Quite simply every single time in any millieu that taxes are cut, prosperity increases. And every single time that taxes are raised, prosperity goes down. In other words, people who can have what people in the 16th, 17th, etc and even the beginning of the 20th century didn't have, are willing to give away more of their freedom for it. For example, cars. Around 200 years ago, there were no cars in the sense we know them today. Now, everyone and their brother has a car. They all have a slave plate on them. The average Joe American doesn't really care about his freedom, when it comes down to matters of convenience. Well the basic situation is, America was fucked. Reagan slashed the taxes to 28%. And since then there has been a spectacular, utterly amazing boom which continues to this day. As you mention, cars -- there was no fuel under Carter, taxes and regulations had reached a peak on the world-freedom-versus-time charts. Tristan --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] may scale
http://coconutgold.com/mayscale.html I have added some commetary (in GREEN .. scroll down a page) that people may be interested to read. e-gold holding steady at 3 !!! :) --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FAKE gold bars!!
Hola, some clever person on this list explained the process of making good FAKE gold bars. (ie, instead of using just lead, you would use some element (rhodium? berillyium? I forget) and so on and coat it in a certain way and so on) The clever person included all the physical numbers involved in the process! Does anyone have that information or if you are the clever person, could you repeat it again? THANKS! How do you search the egold list archive anyway? --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Thank you whoever you are!
What a great donation! Anyone who did not donate is a BASTARD!! Donate now! Hi I just want to say thank you to the person who donated $500 USD in E-Gold to the Charlotte Speddy appeal, your genorosity is greatly appreciated and may this persons kindness put those of you who have donated zero to shame! Thank you again to one and all who have donated. Kind Regards Geoff Wiltshire http://www.altimaweb.com/charlotte --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] nature of freedom / wealth / technology
The key word here is willing. If technology produces convenience at the expense of liberty, then the average joe is *willing* to sacrifice a little liberty for a little convenience. the two things are mutually exclusive and not related. Technology, ie human invention, never reduces liberty. In fact, human invention increaes more quickly in the face of more liberty, and increaees less quickly in the face of less liberty. What might be meant above, more, is most average joes are willing to sacrifice some LIBERTY for a little more apparent WEALTH (That's probably true, ie, there are indeed numerous humans that are so spectacularly stupid that they actually vote for higher taxes. However that group of human's belief is certainly not correct -- lowering taxes (ie, increasing liberty) always increases human wealth.) There's no difference between the concepts level of freedom and level of taxes they are the same thing. Slavery (you are forced to work and do not own your life) is the same as taxation (you are forced to work and do not own your life). The phrase economic freedom is identical to freedom. Here's the bottom line: (1) liberty and taxes are the same issue .. they are the same thing. (2) human invention is wealth .. they are the same thing. (3) it is observed that, as it happens, with our particular species from this particular planet, more freedom means greater human invention. (It could be that on other planets with other intelligent species, they did NOT discover this, ie, it could be for other intelligent species that socialism works. So, on that planet some guy is writing an email saying you can talk around, but we have now observed that LESS freedom means MORE human invention. Hayek was wrong and Marx was right. However, that is NOT the case on this planet with this species. It is simply a fact, now settled, that in all cases and all situations without any exceptions at all, more freedom means more human invention.) --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FAKE gold bars!!
thank you ... some clever person on this list explained the process of making good FAKE gold bars. That would be me... Here are the originals... http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg01478.html http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg01879.html Tungsten, which has the exact same DENSITY as Gold, can be coated with a 15 micron coating of Gold and pass as a Gold Bar, under the scrutiny of X-Ray Fluorescence; which can test to 10 microns deep only! Gold: 19.3 g/cm^3, $8820/kg Tungsten: 19.25 g/cm^3, $110/kg Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] it really is all in the charts
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/61 I must say I have never been more correct with a chart call. 2-3 hours before the trading day opened I told ya' there'd be a spike. No credit to me - the credit goes to the fact that it's all in the charts and if you can observe a few simple patterns which past masters have figured out (such as Honna, 'god' of the rice markets in shogun japan and inventor of candlestick charting), you can see the future.. spooky! Weird shit ... --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Invest in Rhodium
Kitco.com says Invest in Rhodium, because its price may rise: http://www.kitco.com/charts/rhodium.html Did e-gold Ltd. ever consider adding this metal to their reserve? (i.e. e-rhodium) Would anyone of you fund an account with e-rhodium if it were available? That stuff is hard to store! It comes as a sort of powder, does it not? -- Alexis Golzman Win 400 grams of gold at http://www.GoldenRaffle.com i entered! --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.
I suggest the e-gold list is probably NOT the place for a long discussion of political matters! I'm an offender, let us keep it to pithy comments so Jim doesn't have to bring down the email list police on us :) --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] the US tax cut
Re the US tax snicker cut snicker. US taxes were 28%. The Golf War came along and they were raised for emergency reasons to higher levels, and have gone up since. We assume that one of these days the Golf War Emergency will be over, and the tax rate will be returned to 28%. Then, they can talk about a tax cut. --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fw: Re: E-Gold-UK exchange?
Yes that's true, but it applies equally to money orders. I used to run a = mail order business and have taken tens of thousands of UK personal = checks and I never once had anyone try that. Credit and debit cards, on = the other hand, gave us chargeback problems all the time.=20 However, a currency, or even just gold, provides a lot more incentive to fraudulent types than mail order things. e-gold can be exchanged for national currency instantly whereas mail order stuff must be re-sold, which entails much more hassle. because of http://coconutgold.com/mayscale.html ... Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Funds stolen from Account
My entire balance was taken on a spend to goldmine on June 9. Problem is, I didn't do the spend, never heard of goldmine and have NEVER, absolutely NEVER told anyone my passphrase. EVER. NOBODY! A common con is that you are asked for a password on another site, and then you unthinkingly USE THE SAME ONE as your egold password. This is the #1 way to steal passwords. Also, I have never told anyone my balance! I reported this to Omnipay immediately, but found no answers...just another (yawn) weirdo who gave out his passphrase to some crook. Well, not this time... Note that someone not only knew my passphrase, but also my BALANCE! This is not sensible, SSI. if someone knows your password, they can see your balance. Is this just an ingenious hacker, who entered the e-gold system, and made off with the loot, or ? I have been a member since the beginning, and have been an avid supporter of E-Gold. I now feel that something smells very badly WITHIN E-gold. You need to get together with the other poeple who have had $ stolen by gold mine. For instance, try to see a pattern in the time of day the money was stolen. At least then it can be guessed where in the world they are. --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
Now here's an on-topic post. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is like global warming, it's just completely and totally and utterly non-sensical on numerous different levels, makes no sense at all, in any way. Please explain? I know GW is pretty doubtful and the earth bounces around temperature on its own without human messing, but why do you say it's totally and utterly non-sensical? Julian, here's the reason. There are some things that are so crazy they are crazy **ON MANY LEVELS**. For instance: the idea of santa claus is crazy because: how could he fit down the chimney. Now, the statement santa claus is nonsensical because he couldn't fit down the chimney, is true. Fair enough. However, the overall topic is so completely ridiculous on so many levels (example, reindeer cannot fly; man has in fact explored the north pole; we know where all known gifts actually came from etc) that it is important to realize that even the statement santa claus is nonsensical because he couldn't fit down the chimney is sort of ridiculous in itself, because, it ignores how incredibly ridiculous the rest of the topic is. For instance, some idiot may say hey -- Santa could be a real thin guy -- that explains it -- santa claus is proved! Not really, because that's just one of hundreds of obviosities you could point out on how completely ridiculous the idea of Santa is. Thus, just some examples below of how totally and utterly ridiculous global warming is. ANY of these items, taken on their own, utterly demolish the ridiculousness of global warming, just as ANY rational observation (example uh, reindeer cant fly) utterly demolishes santa claus: ANY of these obviosities is the equivalent of pointing out that reindeer cant fly --- global warming is as ridiculous on as many levels as santa claus: (*) the normal variation in the earth's temperature is spectacular and massive. For example, we happen to be in a 10 thousand year gap between two **ICE AGES**. This is just one of TENS OF THOUSANDS of such ongoing cycles. (*) JUST WITHIN the current interglacial age in which we live and all civilization exists, there have been SPECTACULAR and frequent BIG changes in the weather. There are very often periods of a century or two when it is very very hot or very very cold. (*) there, very simply, IS NOT ANY evidence, at all, whatsoever, of global warming.(or cooling) if you read all the reports in detail, it states that plainly. there are four methods to measure the temp. of the earth changing from year to year, and three of them (example, satellite measurements taken at the expense of billions by temperature-measuring-satellites made for the purpose) positively, definitely, clearly, plainly, easily show absolutely no change (its that simple); one of the methods shows inconclusive. (*) Just for example, FIFTEEN THOUSAND scientists have now signed a petition pointing out that global warming is trivial idiocy. (*) the amount of CO2 put out by humans is utterly, utterly dwarfed by natural processes (*) the whole global warming idiocy was started by the famous lie article in _Nature_ where a couple of scientists (now totally discredited) simply chopped of part of a graph so they could make a point and gain popularity. global warming is precisely as scientific as, say, ufology. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc Again, any ONE of these items (eg, the amount of CO2 put out by humans is utterly dwarfed by natural processes) just makes the whole gloabl warming thing precisely as ridiculous as Santa Claus. Global Warming is a perfect example of the big lie. It is utterly, totally, nonsensical, but it is repeated on TV a lot, so it becomes true. Why does global warming exist? Quite simply, to raise taxes. ENVIRONMENTALISM IS THE LAST ATTEMPT OF SOCIALISM TO GAIN CONTROL. How does this relate to e-gold? As old socio-political structures breakdown, money (one of the key structures used by states to exert powre) will change from government-monopoly money to free-market money. My predicition: within ten years, enviromentalists will be complaining that e-gold and other free market currencies make it too easy to have economic activity that is unpatrolled by environmentalism. this e-gold thing is bigger than the Canadian dollar, imagine, and the carbon [or whatever] output of that economy is not controlled! what about GLOBAL WARMING to SAVE THE CHILDREN! etc Result: they do a Milliken on Doug, and slap a 30% tax on e-gold transactions. e-gold will become a big environmental (ie socialist) issue. (believe it or not - you heard it here first!) --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
Thus, just some examples below of how totally and utterly ridiculous global warming is. ANY of these items, taken on their own, utterly [E-gold related discussion a bit further on in this post] I think there are many sides to the global warming argument, people should go out and inform themselves. Here are a set of links both pro and con to start from: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/globalwarming.html#GWDenierSites Personally I like this one to start with: http://www.ucsusa.org/warming/gw.faq.html Think of it as a Pascal's wager kind of thing - maybe you'll be wrong trying to do your part to combat global warming, but conserving energy and promoting alternative fuels can be its own reward - and if you're right it helps in the big picture too! I believe, like many intelligent people, you've been conned, Hank. Consider the Santa Claus example: OK, say, Santa MIGHT be real, so you might as well put out cookies. Well no. Pascal's wager doesn't apply to something nonsensical. (i) There Is No global warming. untold, endless evidence shows this. (ii) The Concept Is Meaningless. Totally nonsensical. An ant sitting on the pacific ocean saying hey! I believe our political policies will result in the water level going up by a hundreth of an inch over the next 50 years! It's just MEANINGLESS. It does not even PARSE, it MEANS NOTHING. The ant's ocean continually bounces up and down by yards as a normal course of action and is affected by vast numbers of things . waves, tides, wakes, etc. For instance, some of the global warmers are SO SPECTAULRLY STUPID you hear this talk about oh, it could mean that sea levels will rise/lower/whatever ***THE ENTIRETY OF EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICAN, DOWN TO FLORIDA/NORTH AFRICA, WAS COVERED IN ICE*** as early as a score of thousand years ago, and will be again in a few thousand years. My predicition: within ten years, enviromentalists will be complaining that e-gold and other free market currencies make it too easy to have economic activity that is unpatrolled by environmentalism. I'm an enviromentalist that doesn't agree with you JP. It's simply because you've been lied to. Consider the recent sceintific report to the white house, the conclusion of which was (like duh), global warming is inconclusive. Tom Brokaw got on ythe nightly news and quite simply lied, saying the report proves global warming will happen. You need only simply read the report. Look, how clear can it be. I searched on the web and in one minute found ***AN ARTICLE BY AN AUTHOR OF THE REPORT*** stating this: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=95000606 CNN's Michelle Mitchell was typical of the coverage when she declared that the report represented a unanimous decision that global warming is real, is getting worse, and is due to man. There is no wiggle room. As one of 11 scientists who prepared the report, I can state that this is simply untrue. As one of 11 scientists who prepared the report, I CAN STATE THAT THIS IS SIMPLY UNTRUE. It's simply called lying. Tom Brokaw opens his mouth using his jaw muscles and LIES. Utters sentences that have no connection to reality. Eventually, otherwise intelligent people like, I suggest, yourself Hank, start to believe it. Again, ***FIFTEEN THOUSAND*** scientists have now signed a document commenting that global warming is nutty. What sort of greater consensus do you want? 50 thousand scientists ... 200 thousand .. every living scientist? There are three climatologists who have ever won a nobel prize; two of them (obviously) consider global warming foolish beneath discussion, the other one won't comment. It's just a non-starter. Think about it logically. As I say, there are DOZENS of knock-down obviosities (long the lines of reindeer cant fly) that demolish the concept. It's just not even sensible, it doesn't parse. I believe environmentalism has been co-opped by socialism. The fact that utter junk science that does not even parse meaningfully, such as 'global warming' is now part of environmentalism, supports this. The modus operandi of socialism is to use junk science in some particular field to increase socialistic pressures. The classic exposition of this is in _The Road to Serfdom_ where 50 years ago Hayek explains this MO of socialism and predicts that at the end of the 20th century, socialists will have to cotton on to some new fantasy, and present it as science, to try one last gasp at socialism after socialisms utter failure during the 20th century (obvious to Hayek at the time). Later in his life, during the 70s/80s, Hakek saw that this in fact was environmentalism! how's that for a market call! :) But your dead-on calls on gold prices lately have me worried about the possibilities on this call!! ;) It's all about freedom - in the case of E-gold, freedom to choose or create and use your own
[e-gold-list] Re: today's test
Gold passed it's test today: http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/81 and how! it appears to be making ANOTHER flag, rather making a channel. Perhaps it will go flag-spike-flag-spike-flag-spike ? Nail-biting stuff. http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/61 nem didn't had a test to pass: http://stocks.tradingcharts.com/stocks/charts/nem/d -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com A Directory of Web sites and Internet presences accepting non-fiat monies. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] PS
sorry for ranting about global warming! :) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Due Process - In defense of e-gold
1. E-gold can add digital certificate support to their web site. The cryptographic authentication procedure requires the would-be hacker to steal a secret key AND a passphrase. This is at least one order of magnitude more difficult for the hacker, which means we should see a one order of magnitude decrease in e-gold thefts. 2. The account holder can purchase devices to store their password and their private key off-line. If this is done, then the system is secure, as long as their system is secure in meatspace. (Ie. Unauthorized individuals do not have physical access to their computer or offline storage device.) Ken Griffith I bet anyone grams that e-gold will indeed implement such groovy stuff, fairly soon. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] gossip beyond dreams
At 7:03 PM -0400 6/13/01, Bob wrote: A quick update on the status of Systemics' legal tussle with the e-gold group. Today we filed against the injunction; we have to wait and see what the judge says on Friday. I can't comment on anything much except the documents that are filed in court. Some of these exist in digital form and are located at http://www.systemics.com/legal/ . I've only put the ones up there that I know are filed and apparently priviledged. I forget the legal term, but because they are filed and the judge has read them, they are protected from slander. Of course, the cont Kick ass! A court battle. If you read this: http://www.systemics.com/legal/affidavit_BD2.txt Looks to me like your basic you didn't pay enough / we paid already dispute. You can see e-gold's approach is to try to get the SOURCE code as a resolution to the dispute...pretty much standard practice, and why not, if you can get it? (Scan down to Alternative to these Requirements: ... Alternative to these Requirements: is legal speak for what we're really after.) Systemics position is probably we did everything that was written down that we should. Ah, the courtroom --- scene of the end of a hundred sloppy dot-com-era developer/developee disputes. But ... which venue? Predictions: (*) e-gold will want to keep it more private (court in an offshore jurisdiction? i don't know) (*) one would imagine e-gold has better lawyers, thus, there is no rational reason why they won't win (*) habeus server systemics has the server, so they yield a lot of power Personally I am confused as to the issues .. digi gold is just an experiment right? (How much is in circulation .. $20 or something?) --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] I Love It.
Just heard on the news. On averege *ONE PERCENT* of the recommendations made by Wall St. analysts is correct in direction. Idiots. What a farse. --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] critical trading day
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/61 As Bob called it, another big test coming in tomorrow's trading. MAJOR HISTORY could be made. IF gold goes down through that channel tomorrow, the price is fucked and it will go down to 200 over the next few weeks. (It will beat the lows of April.) Hopefully (if you're long, anyway) it will continue in the channel. Observe that like i mentioned it appears to be going flag-spike-flag-spike etc. the tip of the second flag is upon us. Any move will be dramatic, again. Heartstopper! until it works its way over 275, dont breathe... --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: now here's a moral dilemma
Here's the moral solution: Inform people about basic password security, encourage them to take personal responsibility for their own affairs, _expect_ them to take personal responsibility for their own affairs, and when they don't, feel sorry for them but hope they learned and don't pretend it's anyone's fault but their own. It's like William Penn said--if you protect men from folly, you'll get a nation of fools. I think you're probably right, Sam! --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Two stats charts
What would really help is a breakdown of daily spends by value, especially the value spent in transaction worth less than US$50 and the number os spends greater than US$50 worth to calculate transaction fee revenue. Everyone, altogether now, e-gold, supply a breakdown of daily spends by values e-gold, supply a breakdown of daily spends by values e-gold, supply a breakdown of daily spends by values e-gold, supply a breakdown of daily spends by values e-gold, supply a breakdown of daily spends by values When will they do it? David Hillary --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] here's a shit article!
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,44507,00.html Digging Those Digicash Blues By Declan McCullagh 2:00 a.m. June 14, 2001 PDT The article is primarily about bearer monies, but in passing it SLAGS e-gold (the ultimate e-gold insult -- mentioned with beenz!) and somewhat puffs-up (lol) paypal. My guess -- paypal just pays-off hotwired! :) Offbeat schemes like beenz, flooz, e-gold and Idollars are busily minting their own virtual currencies, although none has found a wildly profitable market niche. PayPal, probably the most popular system of the sort, is trying to lure Internet shoppers away from credit cards with surprising luck so far: The company has raised $225 million in financing and claims to have 8 million customers. Since online sales account for a mere 2 percent of all credit card transactions, Visa and Mastercard have been slow to respond to PayPal's threat. An additional incentive is PayPal's relatively low 2.2 percent transaction fee plus 30 cents. Visa, by contrast, charges up to approximately 2.5 percent in transaction fees. And because of the possibility of fraud, a Visa transaction does not complete -- meaning the seller doesn't get paid -- for up to 90 days. --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Golden Raffle Site Optimized!
I have important news! I've been recently notified by a kind member of this list which is a physicist with deep knowledge of probability calculus (Mr. Craig Spencer), one smart bloke! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: My Vistit to the Perth Mint
I then found a slightly unpleasent surprise, precious metals in Australia are now only GST exempt in they are coins or have the '' stamped on them, so instead of paying 1% over spot I got lumped with a 10% tax on top. Right. I paid GST on a damn natural gold NUGGET! But not on a kangaroo bullion coin. Krugerrands, yes, maples, no. Only pure materials you pay no GST on, seems to be the idea. So, at a butchers: steaks: no GST Sausages: GST !! Wierd isn't it? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: the close
It looks like gold will close down today. Good! The odds of the up trend continueing are better now. I didn't want to see 4 up days in a row. bob Right, it seems to have popped down through the bottom of the channel, but not that much. Tough one! My gut instinct is up, since it broke through 275 with no particular problem yesterday, maybe? I envy you being awake while the market is open Bob :) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Freematt Interviews Financial Cryptographer Ian Grigg
this is great ... but I've forgotten where we can find Freematt online? Isn't it amazingfactdaily.com or some such? Thanks! --- begin forwarded text x-flowedDate: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:42:55 -0400 (AST) From: Ian Grigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: interview Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Freematt asks question 2: How have thinkers such as Menger, Von Mises, and or Hayek influenced your thinking? Are there any fiction books that have had an impact on your ideas? Ian Grigg responds: Von Mises is a hazy influence. His writings are hard to get to, unlike Hayek, who is accessible to someone without an obsession with deep economic thought. Mises came with two big ideas that ... --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
The eCTA has been given the support of goldmoney, osgold and Standard Reserve So the eCTA has the support of a new-comer psuedo-GBC (150% backed, of which only 50% is gold) that offers guaranteed HYIPs, but not the support of a true GBC that has been active for 5 years. How is this supposed to bolster it's credibility? Viking Coder I think the bottom line is e-gold won't put up a link to anything that has much to do with OSGold. FWIW, the eCTA crew appear to be decent, well-organized, and not a propaganda arm for hyips!! --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] GG - e-gold
I've probably asked this before; sorry - who out there generally swaps goldgrams to e-gold? And what r Ur rates? talking kilo quantities. Thanks again! JP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] the eCTA
Again, I think while many armchair criticisms can be made of the eCTA (which hasn't even had a chance to start up yet, for goodness sake), at least it's out there and it's a great beginning. Three cheers for the huge time money effort involved. Most stronger associations historically started as just groupings, weaker associations and slowly added external accountability / internal regulations. What we have at the moment: (*) the directory page on the e-gold site , which is low comedy legally and in terms of marketing usefulness. Once the eCTA starts up, we will have the eCTA. Will it be perfect, I'm sure not, will it be a great step forward, probably, will it be improved in the future, also probably. Again, three huge cheers to the eCTA for getting off their ass and doing something constructive and positive. (I am not a member, my comments are independent.) It's worth remember the straight talk aspect here - until e-gold sells banner ads on the spend page, e-gold is a joke. The only current marketing angle for e-gold related enterprise is say, we can get customers from the e-gold mailing list That would be (duh) why there are no e-gold-related business ventures, except a few joke and demo ones. It is .. not .. real .. complicated. The eCTA is among other things a response to this basic (fatal) flaw of e-gold. --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] read all about it
Bob's column celebrates six months on Bananagold http://www.bananagold.com/bob.html with today's issue Keep up with the technical side of the gold and currency markets with Bob. Also, be sure to spend ALL your e-gold at Bananagold. Even if you don't need anything from Amazon (books, DVDs, music, software, computers, PALMs, whatever), RUSH to bananagold.com and spend all your gold there. Just buy things randomly. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] beginning of end for USA?
electricity price controls in California??? a second Carter-era on the way? --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: beginning of end for USA?
Yep! When Dubya was running for office I had a strong feeling that he would take a sharp turn to the left once elected. I even told one of his gushing supporters, Read my lips: Like father, like son. An excellent point. It sucks to be right all the time. Just wait until he raises the top marginal income tax rate to 60%. Don't think it can't happen. I predicted it a year ago. More people need to get off their ARSE and http://votewithyourfeet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: One more thing about money laundering
Yeah, yeah, I know, but this really sticks in my craw, and I'm not even sure where exactly one's craw is. http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200107033.shtml remarkable -- everyone read it --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FOUR million in circulation daily ?
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[e-gold-list] Re: FOUR million in circulation daily ?
Does anyone have any insight into what is going on? Is there some new scam churning e-gold around? http://www.geocities.com/TheGoldMachine/index.html might be the reason for the dramatic spike in spends. fascinating stuff .. (and here's me thinking there were no guaranteed investments) .. 1% per hour. you can even Put OsGold into the Gold Machine, and get paid in E-Gold! they assert about $50k of spends, so perhaps it does not explain the egold stats. On-line game stats monitor: START OF STATS Current Gold Machine Statistics Total number of players : 1069 Last payment was made at: 19/06/2001 2:35:21 AM GMT Total deposits to date : $53,726.17 Deposits in last 24 hrs : $11,789.36 END OF STATS I see they are down to only NEW! Payments are now 2% every 2 hours. . pathetic -- one can't even rely on a simple 1% p.h. growth anymore. --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: One more thing about money laundering
http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200107033.shtml I read it, and found it shocking! Especially the part where they train / indoctrinate their employees with an *angel* wanting to report everyone, and a *devil* wishing to give the benefit of the doubt! Surely the Christian thing to do is to give a person the benefit of the doubt. To think the best of people and not to impute to them impure motives they may not have. The USPS by this video is conditioning employees to turn their conscience on its head! To believe good to be bad and bad to be good. America, has actually become, the cliche of how we used to look at China in the communist era -- the government has every human spying on everyone else. --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: We want your password - sue them
It's disappointing that e-gold doesn't go after these sort of clowns more aggressively. Imagine if someone tried that with PayPal? --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] goldie exchange - they rock
Hello, I want to present you our Services - Goldie-Exchange, Inc.. We provide Out and In E-gold Exchanges at fair ratios. For more details - please visit : http://www.goldie-exchange.com Best Regards, Johan Larsen Best of luck!!! Don't forget, PHONE EVERY CLIENT to avoid fraud! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] go eCTA
Eric makes an excellent point. At the very least, ECTA (Eck-tah?) will at the very least weed out the grossest problems he describes below. Go ecktah! Question -- when does the ecktah web site appear? Hello, Is this operation Goldie Exchange for real? They take credit cards (trouble in the making), offer a 10% premium on outexchanges (he will go broke quickly at that rate) and has very little contact info on the site other than e-mail addresses. Has anyone MET this guy/girl or received ID on them? I am not trying to pick on him/her. I just think this is another horror story waiting to happen. I envision two scenarios: a. He/She is legit. Takes credit card orders and ends up screaming help after being hit by the scammers like RTGold did a few weeks back since Omnipay offers no education to new MM's on the MASSIVE amounts of fraud that takes place against MM's accepting cc's. b. It is a front to lure lots of people into sending in outexchanges (7 days for a check??) and will close up shop and vanish before anyone is the wiser. Of course, if a is true he will get no help in recovering lost funds. If b is true, the need for the eCTA will just be highlighted once again. Of course, I am secretly hoping for c. c. It is a legitimate operation. He will learn the mistakes of credit cards EARLY in his career. He develops a HUGE fan club and retires early after selling his now multi-million dollar MM service to the next ambitious entrepreneur! Three cheers for option C'!! Eric --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Bob says...
sideways for awhile .. http://www.bananagold.com/bob.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] here we go again..
Osopps offers proven investments (see http://www.osopps.com ). There is no mention of High Yield investments. Are you saying that it is impossible to guarantee an investment? Of course: it is not possible to guarantee any investment... Eve --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] freaking two cents
Hey you ranters - here's a link to the person who invented the whole two cents thing! is that worth two cents?? http://two-cents-worth.com/?241164 Hi Chris, Why does the target need to be _blank (or blank, depending on which of the links you used in another of your messages)? Besides, links like these I snipped out of your other message don;t even work in plain text e-mail. I know one is able to copy and paste it into a browser, but I am confused as to why this is better. Regards, Chris a href=www.AuctionFraud.net target=_blankwww.AuctionFraud.net/a a href=www.GoldenGrams.com target=_blankwww.GoldenGrams.com/a a href=http://two-cents-worth.com/?230097; target=blankMy two cents worth!/a I just tested my 2cw link and it works fine in IE5.5 . (Note: You don't even have to accept the cookies for it to work!) The account number is carried in the URL, and translates onto the SCI form when one arrives on the e-gold secure site. Anyone can simply use a link as below, but add their own e-gold account number to it. No arrangements need to be made with the twocentsworth* people! :) Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 * They are obviously worth more than two cents, those guys! ;) -Original Message- From: Chris Lord-Van Voorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2001 8:31 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Viking Coder How about fixing your 2 cents link? (Advice: include a target=_blank tag as well.) I know I could go to the 2cents site and type it in by hand, but I'm too lazy! (I figure I owe you at least a dime by now, so maybe that'll motivate you. LOL!) Regards, Chris Lord-Van Voorst SNIP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] ads on spend page
Is there a listing for all of these somewhere? I still have a hard time convincing businesses to take e-gold for my purchases. Pssibly I am buying from the wrong companies if thousands are accepting it? No, I don't know of thousands of businesses accepting e-gold. However, the point I am trying to make is that a policy allowing ads to be put on the E-Gold Spend Page shouldn't be adopted since such a policy will not function effectively once E-Gold is accepted by thousands of businesses. I don't follow this... Do you mean because only large businesses would be able to afford the ads .? Might as well argue that TV ads shouldn't exist, or are no good for the economy. The place for such an ad is probably on the Trade Association website, (or on GoldDirectory.com). At the moment, quite simply, the sole place that egold users can learn about such directories: this egold mailing list. One would imagine that the best possible place for such directory sites to advertise would be on the egold spend page. (Where else? If anyone knows where, state it.) E-Gold, for the past 3 months now, has again resumed its phenomenal growth -- now up about 20% in funded accounts over 10 grams, since March. As long as E-Gold maintains steady growth, it doesn't need to advertise -- and probably shouldn't advertise if the growth rate remains this high. Of course, PayPal was able to grow much faster, so maybe E-Gold could too, but PayPal is still in the Red and E-Gold is still in the Black. Slow, steady, growth can be considered ideal. Craig Well, why are there 0 businesses that take e-gold? (Except bananagold, which only exists because I'm eccentric and wasted the money on it?) --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
It should attract real businesses, instead of scams and porn sites! Exactly. I don't know how crystal clear it can be: As an example, which I've explained to Jim: (1) a real-world major online brokerage approached my company and said we want to totally adopt this e-gold stuff, it sounds neato, we want to fully integrate e-gold to the world's markets (2) looked into the whole thing technically -- no worries (3) they said so, how do we reach these users, where do we buy the email addresses of all users or advertise to users (4) i said, Oh, there's no method for reaching egold users (5) they said what a fucking stupid conversation this is Obviously, us e-gold fans needn't worry about the fact that majorbrokerage.com wanted to completely integrate e-gold with the world's financial markets, but then noticed the obviosity that there is no way to reach e-gold users, and hence fucked off .. hey, we have BiffsEgoldCigarShop.com and VWMemorabiliaByEgold.com ... who needs fucking majorbrokerage.com eh? majorbrokerage.com does not give a flying fuck about putting a banner ad on golddirectory.com (sorry Bob! :) ) It's just NOT REAL COMPLEX ... since there is NO METHOD to reach e-gold users, there just cannot be, it is a logical impossiblity for there to be, any such thing as a e-gold business Every single user of Bananagold is .. from the e-gold list. You can have e-gold list businesses (eg, pissweak affairs like Bananagold, BiffsEgoldCigarShop.com, VWMemorabiliaByEgold.com), but there is no such thing as a e-gold business --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] ads on spend page
It's worth remember the straight talk aspect here - until e-gold sells banner ads on the spend page, e-gold is a joke. ... Even if E-Gold were to sell ads on the Spend Page, how many could you put there? A dozen, maybe? How is this beneficial to a currency which grows to supporting thousands of businesses? I think one per page would be quite enough ... that is many thousand of impressions per day, tens of thousands per week. It would be quite reasonable to charge a high rate (say, $10 per thou) for such ads. That's say a few thousand dollars a week worth of advertising. A real, genuine e-gold related venture may want to spend a few hundred dollars a week on ads. Something like Bananagold, say, might want to dedicate say $200 per week .. that's $10,000 per annum .. to maing a business out of Bananagold's particular business. If big players decided to use e-gold (e-trade decides to take e-gold) they would immeidatley launch hefty campaigns (maybe 1/4 or 1/2 of all the ads); smaller business would buy smaller amounts of ads. I really don't understand your question, can you clarify? There should be one normal banner ad on the spend page, IMHO. (Supply and demand questions are easily resolved by markets, if you're expressing an opinion as to how many or what price the ads should be.) It's this very simple: no serious businesses will bother with e-gold until it is possible to reach e-gold users. If anyone knows how to reach e-gold users, simply state it here: 50 kilogram gold reward to anyone who can state how to reach e-gold users. State it. There is no way - hence, there are no e-gold businesses. It's not complex. --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
majorbrokerage.com does not give a flying fuck about putting a banner ad on golddirectory.com (sorry Bob! :) ) It's Craig. Sorry! I'd just been writing Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob in promoting Bobgold .. I mean Bananagold ... Otherwise, what good is the e-gold webpage, as an advertising venue, if only a few major businesses can afford to put ads there? So what if those businesses simply stay out? The growth of e-gold should not depend on such businesses. It should depend on its popularity with small businesses and the average person -- AS LONG as it continues to grow. Don't get me wrong... I WOULD like to see a major big company involved, but do you want to marry the e-gold webpage to them to do so? Well I think that's just economics, C., -- whether a one big company, or many little companies, or one media outlet, or whatever, takes it over, god sorts it out Perhaps E-gold should be impartial to business. Perhaps it should be like the blind-folded woman .. Kinky imagery ... but yes, capitalism is blind. You say the ads on the page are $9 per thousand. As a owner of a small, shit, business like Bobgold, I'd love to buy just a few hundred dollars worth. Others may buy more, or less. Good for them with the scale in her hands, minding the store, but not playing favorites -- AS LONG as it continues to grow. Craig (Not Bob) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
3) they said so, how do we reach these users, where do we buy the email addresses of all users or advertise to users (4) i said, Oh, there's no method for reaching egold users (5) they said what a fucking stupid conversation this is This is an amazing thing. Presumably the same brokerage accepts U.S. dollars. Where did they they buy the e-mail addresses of all the users, if that's their criterion for accepting a currency? To reach people who have US Dollars: (i) advertise anywhere, on any medium. Don't most of the market-makers sell advertising on their web pages? Isn't _that_ a way of targeting advertising to e-gold users? Tried it extensively, more than anyone. A good idea, that is the second best idea after an ad on the spend page, but it's a dismal second. First of all, its useless unless there was a careful syndicate allowing you to buy an ad covering EVERYwhere that someone might buy gold, secondly obvioyusly people do one MM transaction and then dozens of spends. And mamny people never use an MM, they get their gold directly. I do agree that a banner ad on the spend might do a lot for the e-gold economy, but it's a little over the top to say that there is no method for reaching e-gold users without it. State the method. -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Is there Anyway Out for Amazon.com?
This isn't related to e-gold, (other than BananaGold.com), but does anyone see any way out for Amazon.com? They appear to be in a death spiral, from which there seems no recovery. They're heavily in debt. They're continuing to lose money. Their source of new equity is drying up. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1018724/95010901500823/d10q.htm Can anyone imagine how they might pull-out? How much time do they have left? Maybe a year? Mate (Craig :) ), I was just being interviewed by this bloke from Wired and we came up with the notion that BANANAGOLD IS PROFITABLE, AMAZON IS NOT. Funny huh? :) SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: ads on spend page
You sound as if you have made up your mind that any answer anyone provides will be *wrong*. I understand that you want to put a banner on the spend page, but banners don't work. They are rarely loaded by the time the human is ready to move to the next page, and people are conditioned to ignore them. A banner takes up to much space and may be annoying to a lot more people than want them there. I may be prepared to concede a single line of smallplain text/small! This would be more effective and may be seen by the user as informative (if not too repetitive) instead of an imposition. It's a simple observation that banner ads do work (quite well) on every other web site in the world, I see no reason they wouldn't work on e-gold.com !-- That was how to reach e-gold users. B to C -- Out of the many thousands of people who have e-gold accounts, it should be safe to presume that most of them wish to accept e-gold in payment for their personal services or goods. Most people are involved in one type of business or other, hence it is misleading for you to maintain that there are zero businesses accepting e-gold. This, you seem to get around by claiming small businesses are not real businesses. !-- Here is how consumers can reach businesses -- Anyone looking for anything and wishing to use e-gold to pay for it simply can add e*gold to a search on www.google.com (or www.ao.com.au for that matter) and it will filter out any search results not also including words beginning with 'e' and ending with 'gold'. I have not suggested putting 'e-gold' in there in case it filters out gold, as '-gold' would do. So, where's my 50kg of gold? ... You may use my 2cw link if you like! ;) Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 18 June 2001 10:18 PM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] ads on spend page It's worth remember the straight talk aspect here - until e-gold sells banner ads on the spend page, e-gold is a joke. ... SNIP There should be one normal banner ad on the spend page, IMHO. SNIP It's this very simple: no serious businesses will bother with e-gold until it is possible to reach e-gold users. If anyone knows how to reach e-gold users, simply state it here: 50 kilogram gold reward to anyone who can state how to reach e-gold users. State it. There is no way - hence, there are no e-gold businesses. It's not complex. SNIP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] oh no
Parker Bradley, if you're out there, your email goes in and out! Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't! :) JPee! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
what good is the e-gold webpage, as an advertising venue Unless e-gold started data mining the spending habits of their users and correlating it to the type of business that the spend was made to, the only relevance that the advertising would have is that they accept e-gold. No .. no logic here? Yahoo and Double click offer both untargetted, and targetted ads. Both work perfectly well in their own way. Indeed in the early days, both those services offered only untargetted ads. I've done 100s of thousands, maybe a couple of million, $ worth of ad banner campaigns for clients. Sometimss (usually) you use untargetted ads, sometimes targetted. Consider TV advertising ... you can buy untargetted ads on general purpose shows, or you can buy targetted ads (say - on a financial channel). Both exist and work well for different purposes. What your'e saying here doesn't make sense -- consider, say Amazon.com (or hell, Banana) wanted ads on egold. Would they choose everyone or targetted - they'd choose everyone, anyway. You also say ... the probability that a banner will interest the spender would be down around the usual 0.7% that untargeted advertising usually gets. Sweet jesus mother of christ ... .7 per cent? I assume you've never had anything to do with advertising? Do the figures .. if Banana (say) ran ads and got .7 per cent response, that would be MINDBOGGLIINGLY FANTASTIC. If businesses could consistently get .01% response (ie, say $50-$100 for an egold stockbreokerga to get a new client) they would be in seventh heaven. And, there would be an e-gold economy. Which there isn't sat the moment. The dowry for marrying e-gold to MegaCorp would be the privacy of it's users. After the question of 'How do we contact e-gold users?' comes the question of 'What are their spending habits demographics?'. I don't see that at all - why is there a connection? Of all the web sites that take benner ads, the vast majority do NOT do any sort of demographic sifting, they just sell broad untargetted ads. You could say the same of broadcast TV. I see no a leads to b connection there. Yes, they should. e-gold should just be an accounting system. Wouldn't advertising create the same sort of legal liabilities that listing the businesses in a directory, with the usual disclaimer, would create? Not at all - all advertising outlets can either sell or not sell ads to whoever they want (giving absolutely no reason - they mnight be a competitor, or they might just not like the ad) - it would be the same for egold. -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: ads on spend page
Well, why are there 0 businesses that take e-gold? Zero businesses that accept e-gold? I can find a couple of hundred. Craig mate, I mean serious ones. Rather than cottage industry ones (like my crap ones, like Banana). (Thats the perfect illustration ... Amazon, no, jp's crap home-cottage Banana that makes $12 a year, yes) Are you talking about just consumer-merchandise type of businesses? This isn't e-gold's niche because the cost of purchasing something through e-gold involves an exchange fee which is overwhelming. When e-gold becomes more popular, the demand for consumer merchandise will climb, but right now, the chief movers of e-gold will probably be small businesses for business-type payments. You're saying that e-gold is just not RIGHT for corporate businesses at this time, it's only right for cottage-industry businesses ... I guess you're right. E-Gold does settle instantly, internationally, and THIS is what will make e-gold an internet currency. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] ad banner chat
Yahoo and Double click offer both untargetted, and targetted ads. Both work perfectly well in their own way. Indeed in the early days, both those services offered only untargetted ads. Yeah, and untargeted ads have horrible click-through rates. What are you referring to? No they don't. A small fraction of a percent is super. Billions are spent on ad banners; not for no reason. Yes, prices were way to high for ad banners (talking almost 2 years ago now) and then the market crashed and now they are fairly priced. Major advertisers think so anyways. This is why untargeted cost so much less than targeted. Well it's not THAT much less -- maybe double. Also, in the early days the marketing profiles hadn't been fully compiled yet, and the concept of loading lots of tracking cookies onto the user's computer was just coming into being. What your'e saying here doesn't make sense -- consider, say Amazon.com (or hell, Banana) wanted ads on egold. Would they choose everyone or targetted - they'd choose everyone, anyway. Then why is there such a huge market for targeted advertising? But there is not ... ? The vast, vast (90%? more?) majority of banner ads are untargetted. A company wants their ads placed where it will draw the largest response. Which will draw the largest response... 10,000 Amazon.com ads shown to everyone or 10,000 Amazon.com ads shown to people that are known to be frequent book buyers? I know a bit about Amazon's advertising (both conventional and online), and as far as banner ads, they mainly buy normal mass untargetted ads!! the probability that a banner will interest the spender would be down around the usual 0.7% that untargeted advertising usually gets. Sweet jesus mother of christ ... .7 per cent? The average click-through rate is usually sold to be 1%, but is usually down around 0.3-0.7%. This is just the click-through rate, not the rate at which the user does anything profitable. I assume you've never had anything to do with advertising? Professionally, no. I'm a programmer, not a salesman/ad exec. But I have done quite a bit of extensive research into web-based advertising. I wasnt trying to be a smart arse. I worked in advertising for a few years. Do the figures .. if Banana (say) ran ads and got .7 per cent response, that would be MINDBOGGLIINGLY FANTASTIC. You ran 100,000 ads for bananagold on the e-gold spend page. If your banner was in a moderately heavy rotation (1/4 of all ads), it would take 16-50 days to run completely through. With a 0.7% clickthrough, you would receive 700 clickthroughs. That is an average of 14-44 clickthroughs/day. I didn't say 14-44 purchasing customers. I said clickthroughs, people who simply view the frontpage of your site. True; I happen to know that of e-gold users who see a banana banner about 1/3 buy something, I should have said that. Anyway, put that knowledge aside: $1000 bucks to have SEVEN HUNDRED PEOPLE click through to your site is --- absolutley astounding, mindblowing, fantastic, wonderful, priceless. I'd pay, oh, $20,000 -- $25,000 right now to have 700 e-gold users,. who make spends (ie, not trivial empty accounts) go look at Banana. Don't tell Jim I said that in case he is trying to price his banners just now. The dowry for marrying e-gold to MegaCorp would be the privacy of it's users. After the question of 'How do we contact e-gold users?' comes the question of 'What are their spending habits demographics?'. I don't see that at all - why is there a connection? Why is there such a big market for targeted advertising but there isn't. if untargeted is so profitable? How do you create targeted advertising without knowing spending habits demographics? Of all the web sites that take benner ads, the vast majority do NOT do any sort of demographic sifting, they just sell broad untargetted ads. And the vast majority have horrible click-through rates. The untargeted ads are usually sold to companies who only want to test the water, or can't afford targetted ads. Again, I simply don't know that to be the case, and I buy fairly large amounts of banner ads for many clients in many fields, typically through the two majors (yahoo / doubleclick) and occasionally directly from small independent sites. A lot of sites don't do their own advertising. They outsource to somebody like DoubleClick You cant be a doubleclick network site unless you have a certain number (its vast, i forget) of site views per month. who then offers them more money if they give a marketing profile of their site their user demographics. You could say the same of broadcast TV. I see no a leads to b connection there. Actually there is quite a lot of targeted ads on broadcast TV. No, there isn't any. It's technically impossible. Picking a SHOW (as in the examples you describe below) is analogous to picking a particular web site [example .. stock brokerages pick
[e-gold-list] Re: Is there Anyway Out for Amazon.com?
part of that though would stem from the fact that you (banana people) don't have the overheads in terms of inventory and fulfillment.. Right -- in fact I lied anyway. It is almost inconceivable that BANANA would recover its development costs, so, its a loser. I have used banana gold a few times and always found the service etc to be bloody good. thanks - robots are perfect! :) Yourone downfall is that crap service amazon provides. eg: I placed an order last week and paid for 2 day air. Order placed Wednesday - This was for a birthday present due saturday. Exactly, they are fucking idiots. You do, now, get very slightly better service via BANANA, since, we are large enough corporate act to have a corporate helper type at 'zon. Present didnt arrive in time (it came yesterday a week later).. With this sort of order fulfillment it is little wonder people shy away from them (amazon) (Or alternatively they Plan a little more in advance!!) We're trying to add buy.com and some others to BANANA. You know, since I love servicing the ENTIRE COMMUNITY of tens! of people on the egold list. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Is there Anyway Out for Amazon.com? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:40:17 +1000 This isn't related to e-gold, (other than BananaGold.com), but does anyone see any way out for Amazon.com? They appear to be in a death spiral, from which there seems no recovery. They're heavily in debt. They're continuing to lose money. Their source of new equity is drying up. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1018724/95010901500823/d10q.htm Can anyone imagine how they might pull-out? How much time do they have left? Maybe a year? Mate (Craig :) ), I was just being interviewed by this bloke from Wired and we came up with the notion that BANANAGOLD IS PROFITABLE, AMAZON IS NOT. Funny huh? :) SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.comhttp://explorer.msn.com -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
To reach people who have US Dollars:
(i) advertise anywhere, on any medium.
Whatever and wherever the ad was, it would reach only _some_ users and be
unseen by most. It would suffer from the same weakness as an ad on a
market-maker's page.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean there. Someone had said AH HA!
there is no SPECIFIC! MEDIUM! to reach people who use US Dollars.
That statement is incorrect, since, 100% of people use US Dollars,
so, any medium works.
Is there a medium which reaches US Dollar users - Yes.
Is there a medium which reaches e-gold users - No.
Tried it extensively, more than anyone. A good idea, that is the
second best idea after an ad on the spend page, but it's a dismal
second. First of all, its useless unless there was a careful
syndicate allowing you to buy an ad covering EVERYwhere that someone
might buy gold, secondly obvioyusly people do one MM transaction and
then dozens of spends.
So what?
What do you mean So What? -?
To repeat:
its useless unless there was a careful
syndicate allowing you to buy an ad covering EVERYwhere that someone
might buy gold
*If* there was such a syndicate, *and* it was very perfectly and
excellently organized and covered all MMs, you might be able to get
say 1/4 of thethe 50k reward, for pointing out something that is a
dismal second best.
Here's a question for you:
Is there such a syndicate?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
They'd see the ad every time they buy e-gold.
And mamny people never use an MM, they get
their gold directly.
Only a tiny, tiny fraction of e-gold users can say that.
Surprisingly - I don't think that's true, Sam.
I have never used a market maker and I deal in kilos of gold every
month in and out. None of the blokes who work for me have ever used
a market maker (except to get rid of gold! :) ). Jim Ray has never
bought gold from a market maker, nor any of the other egold employees
who are paid in gold.
I'm sure your're right that it's a MODEST fraction, but not TINY.
Anyway, getting back to the point:
As I said, It utterly agree with you that advertising on MMs pages is
a reasonably good dismal-second idea, BUT, in PRACTICE, tell me,
state, how to organize to consistently advertise on their pages.
perhaps your answer is Ah ha! JP, you joker, you have not heard of
the MMAdBannerSyndicateReadyToGoNow.com, in which case I would
happily send you the 50kilos.
The e-gold economy
is still very small, and I doubt that a significant percentage of them don't
ever visit a market-maker's page.
I do agree that a banner ad on the spend might do a lot for the e-gold
economy, but it's a little over the top to say that there is no
method for
reaching e-gold users without it.
State the method.
I already did. Advertise on a market-maker's page.
^^
that's cheating. Advertising on ONE MM's page is shit.
What would work though (again, remembering its only a dismal second place) is:
I already did. Advertise on a {every} market-maker's page {in a very
cohesive manner so the banner is delivered in the same way in every
case and it's never missed and you can actually pay them all at once
and its practical and real and you can do it tonight}.
Use your keyboard and tell me how to do that, I'll send over the 50k,
no worries!
Also, there are multiple directories of merchants who accept e-gold.
Advertise on one or more of them.
Tell me how you know that a large percentage of people who frequently
spend gold, go to, those sites.
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[e-gold-list] Re: Is there Anyway Out for Amazon.com?
I used bananagold to place an order for a cd, the bananagold order went through in a matter of seconds, it then took Amazon over a week to get the order packed and shipped and on the status report it said deliver time would 12 to 24 days, it arrived 2 days later! This proves three things 1. Bananagold is brilliant 2. Amazon is crap 3. US and UK Mail Service is also brilliant I'm sorry. You can just imagine the F***ING FURY we at Banana feel towards Amazon. Here's a funny: we wrote a ROBOT that AUTOMATICALLY BITTERLY COMPLAINS to Amazon, randomly, and constantly. Gets results, too :) They haven't figured out it's not a human, it's very natural-language sounding. On top of that someone constantly fones them, etc. (Easily 5 hours per week.) By the way, thanks to all those who were trying to hack Banana's defences recently, it was a good test! Just for the record on the subject of buying stuff from the UK or USA Macromedia Dreamweaver and Fireworks 4 Studio As a UK resident ordering from the UK by phone £269.00 and 7 Days Delivery As a UK Resident ordering from the USA over the net $199.00 and 3 Days Delivery!!! And they call it RIP OFF Britain, I wonder why? :-) Kind Regards Geoff http://two-cents-worth.com/?173087 -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] reach 'em
The only way you can reach people who use e-gold...is on the e-gold mailing list. IS there an e-gold mailing list??? Ah - I simply meant THIS MAILING LIST that we are chatting on, man! The only way to reach egold users for your new egold-related venture: this mailing list! Also buckleys of getting any banner adds on their site. I would think e-gold merchants (not that there is many of them who would have a big list) would be your best bet but I don't know how at this point in time...will have to give it some thought. BTW Bananagold IS brilliant. Nice if it got some back up from Amazon though. It gets slightly more these days, we get faster service than normal custs. Kind regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FWIW
Here's another enterprise for the e-gold mailing list which rumours say may open soon. http://interestingsoftware.com/temp/comsoon2.gif http://interestingsoftware.com/temp/comsoon1.gif Looks like some sort of members site. (In the example I am crossed up and down against myself, which would be pointless. A bit like playing chess for gold -- against yourself.) Best, JPM -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] ahh! now it's clear
Then create a TV ad, take out full page ads in the major newspapers of the
world, or put banner ads up on DoubleClick/Yahoo/etc. Leave the spend page
clean of advertising.
Ah, Viking --- your (unprecedented) utter lack of logic (you'll be
talking about global warming next!) is now explained man.
Is your view that
YOU DONT LIKE / HATE ADS ON THE SPEND PAGE?
Why the fuck didn't you say so dude?
If your position -- which appears to be Doug's -- is banner ads suck
and we dont want them on the spend page, fair enough.
{It seems like a non-starter - we all hate adverts and wish there
were none on TV, magazines or radio. But whatever. Like the
expression goes, everyone hates advertising until they have to sell
their fridge}
Anyway - I suggest a simple checkbox so that users who hate banner
ads can turn them off.
Not hard.
Anyway, back in reality, there will be no serious
e-gold-related-enterprises (EREs?) until there is a conclusive
advertising route to reach all users who make spends.
So, whatever.
it's Doug's game.
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[e-gold-list] clever
JP wrote: If anyone knows how to reach e-gold users, simply state it here: 50 kilogram gold reward to anyone who can state how to reach e-gold users. State it. Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message in the memo field. Good idea, but I tried it already. I used a pool of known e-gold accounts to test how many people would read the message. Only one did out of ~ 80 tests. Next? Please donate the 50 Kg to the Ninth Amendment Foundation, e-gold account number 9. Thanks, -=Steve=- -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] default is off
On the other hand, making people pay to avoid being spammed by some official list will just annoy the hell out of them, and make them switch to GoldMoney. Being forced to dig around in the acct pages just to turn off that 'convenience' would also annoy the hell out of people. A new user creates an account and in a few days is barraged with e-gold related spam. Does anybody like getting lots of spam after signing up for a new service? Indeed. Make the default off (not a lot of code involved there). Receiving 0.1 oz. silver (~4/1000 US cent) would be not acceptable compensation for me. I think the minimum would be, like a dollar. The max you could set might be ten dollars. Any advertiser, even a mom and pop shop, would pay one dollar per reader without the slightest hesitation. I would rather have the e-gold's techs work on continually improving, and maintaining, the system rather than work on making it easier for me to receive even more worthless spam. Sure, you would have no interest in knowing that etrade now take egold, or that walmart.com now takes egold, or that Sprint just decided to let you pay by egold. Because you hate ads. And that's great -- and that's why the default would be off!! Simple! If e-gold did implement this, it's function as a currency could be shadowed by it's function as a get-paid-to-read-mail outlet. What's to stop a company from advertising on the e-gold spamlist and only accepting plastic on their site? All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program, please raise your hand. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] magnificent idea
If you went this route -- to allow 'Spam Spends' -- then a category could be
set-up by E-Gold for such a spend, which WOULD be broadcast simultaneously
to each receiver through their e-mail address, BUT E-Gold would have to
allow each receiver the option of charging a business to send this type of
spam. Every user could set HIS OWN PRICE to receive this type of spam. So,
some users might set the price at 10 grams each. Some might set them at .01
grams each. Businesses wishing to send these types of SPAM payments, (with
the corresponding email messages), would be able to choose to send the spam
payments only to those who charge less than their target amount. They would
also be given the ability to determine total cost BEFORE sending out such
SPAM Payments.
The disadvantage to allowing SPAM Payments like this is that this encourages
people to open up multiple accounts. So, perhaps the business wishing to
send spam payments would be able to send them:
1) Only to accounts which charge less that 0.01 grams each AND
2) Only to FUNDED accounts with more than 10 grams of e-gold in them.
{ and perhaps,. have made more than 5 spends in the last month }
By allowing business to target ONLY funded accounts, and in predetermined
quantities, then people would be discouraged from opening up multiple
accounts just to receive the spam payments, because they would have to fund
each account.
Craig
Magnificent idea Craig... probably better than banner ads.
It'll never happen though, because Mr. J. loses some control in the
above process *wink* ;)
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[e-gold-list] fair enough
I want e-gold to remain a currency, plain and simple. I don't want them to turn into some sort of ad house/paid-to-read program. Let e-gold ltd. do what it does best, be a accounting system for it's private digital currency. That's fair enough -- but that means that non-cottage industries won't have much to do with e-gold until there's some way to reach e-gold users. Non-cottage industry e-gold-related magazine sites (or maybe paper magazines) may be the way; one would imagine those will come along in time; the media (ie -- advertising venues) are necessary for commerce. In the mean time, there won't be any non-cottage-industry e-gold related business ventures. -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Dave talks sense
Dave, I appreciate your cogent message. However, consider this: Banner ads don't work I don't agree and many people don't agree. I've found they work very well. Big businesses can be built around them. annoying to established accounts. I'm all for an off switch if anyone doesn't want it. the idea of being able to be PAID FOR SPAM that someone worked out in another post, is brilliant. I both *want* to get serious commercial messages about e-gold (Fact: I learned about xodds through a mass mailing they did) and I'm happy to get paid to take them. Everyone who doesn't want to see ads, should turn them off. Make the default off. Sure. Targeting e-gold members through banner ads on e-gold's spend page won't solve anything. Banner ads don't work. Displaying them on the spend page would only be distracting to new account holders and annoying to established accounts. Most importantly, policy decisions regarding content displayed within e-gold.com are at the sole discretion of the owners of e-gold. It's enough for me that e-gold has created the currency itself, to expect them to also create my customers for me is completely inappropriate. I sympathize, because as a business I can't reach e-gold account holders either. As an individual, that's one of the cool things about having an e-gold account, because I value my privacy over everyone else's reach. I prefer to find what I need if/when I need it, rather than be 'reached' by sales solicitations. The real problem is a lack of widespread, mainstream acceptance of e-gold as money. e-gold isn't widely available to the mainstream. 'Raving fans' exist (jp!!) to go out and spread the word, but more are needed - lots more. Perhaps the effort being wasted on this pointless banner ad discussion could be diverted into the promotion of e-gold to unknown parts. Talking about e-gold here is great, but it's also the worst place to do it if you want everybody to be using it. JRay mentions e-gold all over the internet, in fact just one post on slashdot produces more monthly traffic on metalproxy.com than all the e-gold directories combined! It's pretty simple, really, just post half as much here and twice as much everywhere else, and forget trying to run e-gold's site. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] turn 'em off!
Because an intelligent discussion doesn't center around people just
screaming YOUR IDEA SUCKS! TPPHHHH!!! - YEAH? WELL, WHAT DO YOU
KNOW? back and forth at each other.
:) fair enough ..
{It seems like a non-starter - we all hate adverts and wish there
were none on TV, magazines or radio.
I don't pay for broadcast TV or radio, hence the advertising. Magazines
supplement their revenue with advertising. Services host advertising to
bring their prices down so that more people will purchase their service.
In the case of TV and radio, advertising is used to subsidize what cannot
be paid for. Does anybody say 'Our service isn't being used enough, we
need to start accepting advertising.'
Right. e-gold is an unusual case: only e-gold know, the complete list
of, e-gold users.
Also, I'm not saying e-gold is not being used enough.
I am just saying there exists no non-cottage-industry EREs.
Hence, e-gold should say since e-gold is currently only used for
HYIPs (let's call a spade a spade) and a couple of novelty sites, and
we really want some non-cottage-industry egold related enterprises,
we need to make an advertising channel for enterprises to reach
e-gold users
Anyway - I suggest a simple checkbox so that users who hate banner
ads can turn them off.
So e-gold would then go through all effort of implementing banner ads on
the spend page just so that everybody could turn it off?
(I imagine the default would be off.)
My guess: 60% would turn them on, 40% leave them off.
(Also, I don't see the all the effort part, it's a few lines of
code. Hell, try it for six months and see what happens.)
Viking Coder
Worth Two Cents?
http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder
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[e-gold-list] Re: default is off
Sure, you would have no interest in knowing that etrade now take egold, or that walmart.com now takes egold, or that Sprint just decided to let you pay by egold. I, and the rest of the world, would very quickly find out if some MegaCorp, like Sprint, started accepting e-gold. Do you think that some megacorp would actually adopt something as radical as e-gold without making a huge fuss about through normal advertising channels? Yeah, we'd hear about it by magic, man - Bryant Gumble would tell us all. xpresstrade.com decide to start taking e-gold -- there's a Dan Rather story. An entrepeneur decides to spend $5 million on a serious e-gold bank (like MetalSavings, but bigger) -- naturally, that story would of course be all over the media -- worldwide, all languages -- to a saturation level that every e-gold user would know about it, although e-gold's never been anywhere more inportant that a shit AP story about money laundering and beenz. buy.com starts taking e-gold --- front page of the NY Times. jetblue.com decides to take e-gold on their web site - Time magazine cover piece. Of course, I'm being sarcastic, none of the above would happen. Jetblue.com and buy.com could be accepting e-gold NOW and no one would know. There could be a seriousgoldbank.com existing right now and me, you or Jim Ray wouldn't have a clue about it. xpresstrade.com might be looking for e-gold deposits atthis minute and no one here would have a clue. Hell, I only heard about xodds.com via a spam they sent out (but screw spam). But hey - we're e-gold. We can wait until the REALLY BIG companies decided to spend, oh, let's say 200 million on e-gold related enterprises. That's the threshhold -- if you're not going to spend 200 million, foggetaboutit! Who needs these wankers who only want to spend a few million on e-gold related enterprises ... the gold economy doesn't need that! Nah! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] it is unlikely that essages in spends are not the answer for General Electric
Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message in the memo field. Good idea, but I tried it already. I used a pool of known e-gold accounts to test how many people would read the message. Only one did out of ~ 80 tests. You asked for a way to reach e-gold users. You didn't ask for a way to reach them and get a good response. You were crowing about how wonderful 0.7% response would be. You are reporting that you tried this and got OVER 1% response! If you already knew how to reach all e-gold account holders and get what you yourself proclaim a marvelous response why were you asking for a solution to a problem you already had a solution to? Craig, see my other email, but here's a simpler explanation. Quite simply, how many people do you think look at those comments? The answer is a dismal amount .. it's a non starter. Your REACH is the number of people that look at it .. your number of impressions. Basically no-one looks at those comments, it doesn't work. I didn't get one percent response, I was able to establish (through careful checking) that only one person even happened to see the (secret') message. Actually, I got paid a lot of $ to do that test by a party --- the interest in reaching e-gold users, by potential EREs, is substantial, surprising, and I think, flattering to the e-gold system and e-gold users. There is powerful interest out there among above-cottage-industry-level enterprises to be a part of e-gold. I think that's great, I celebrate it. (But patently, amex or walmart aren't going to get into e-gold in a big way because they can reach users through .. putting a message in the 'message' field of a spend! :) ) You may think I was being a smart arse about the 50kg reward, and sure that's an exaggeration, but even I'd pay (and I'm just a fucking clown), oh, I dunno, $3 per user, say, to reach active e-gold users for _Bananagold_ -- tonight. Serious companies would pay much more .. $10 to $20 is my estimate. If e-gold decides to take a Viking approach and maintain the non-addyness of e-gold as a spend system, fine. Some other method for reacing them (a magazine or whatever?) would do the job. Anyway, this topic is boring now. Screw e-gold. Wake me up when there's one (1) serious non-cottage-industry e-gold related enterprise. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] e-gold is mom and pop.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just saying there exists no non-cottage-industry EREs. Hence, e-gold should say since e-gold is currently only used for HYIPs (let's call a spade a spade) and a couple of novelty sites, and we really want some non-cottage-industry egold related enterprises, we need to make an advertising channel for enterprises to reach e-gold users I think you have it back assward there. What e-gold should do is say hey, currently were excellently suited to cottage industries - and small web vendors are a vast market in aggregate. Lets push e-gold as the ultimate way to run a mom-and-pop shop! I think you are PERFECTLY RIGHT, Julian. Clearly, that is exactly where e-gold wants to be. And, that's exactly where it will remain. The perfect last word. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] not the last word apparently
Viking Coder wrote: [...]Everybody keeps saying how powerful the gold economy will be several years from now, and then coming up with schemes to make it pre-maturely happen today. Agreed, it's a bad idea to rush adoption speed - you need a minimum number of *working* *trusted* sites taking e-gold at a mom-and-pop level before it can expand again. Yes. That has happened. That stage has been reached. Otherise people will come in, see it as a one trick wonder, or as a nifty solution in search of a problem, and ignore it in droves. It's exactly the same thing as the fluff over e-commerce before it was actually useful, or the big fuss about WAP phones when there's about three sites that support them. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] it is likely that messages in spends are not the answer for General Electric
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite simply, how many people do you think look at those comments? The answer is a dismal amount .. it's a non starter. Just like banner adds. You're confusing look at with do something about. As I explained in the previous email, everyone looks at them (banners), and few people act on them (that's life) With this message-in-spend scheme, very few people look at them. Is that clear yet??! Your REACH is the number of people that look at it .. your number of impressions. Basically no-one looks at those comments, it doesn't work. You sent out 80 tests and 1 saw it. That's not no-one. It is over 1%. read the above I didn't get one percent response, I was able to establish (through careful checking) that only one person even happened to see the (secret') message. I was going to ask how you got that info. How did you check? I sent emails (But patently, amex or walmart aren't going to get into e-gold in a big way because they can reach users through .. putting a message in the 'message' field of a spend! :) ) That depends on whether or not they think they could make money that way... I think some think reality exists and some things are obvious. I think its obvious that its a silly idea. I did one test, which confirmed my suspicions. Screw e-gold. Wake me up when there's one (1) serious non-cottage-industry e-gold related enterprise. That could be a long sleep! Right. It won't happen until there is a way to reach e-gold users. It's not complex. That's the fact that started this discussion, and it remains. It could have happened last week (if there was a way to reach e-gold users), it might not happen for 10 years (if there was a way to reach e-gold users for another ten years). CCS -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] egold newsletter
I dunno if e-gold has considered it but they might want to consider sending an electronic newsletter to all its account holders periodically, new businesses could advertise in the newletter. It could be as simple as sending the most recent news from the e-gold News page. If the newsletter had other items of interest such as on privacy, liberty, etc, it might end up be forwarded to others and end end up pulling in new customers. Of course, people should be able to opt out from receiving the news letter. great idea --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] totally random fact
Someone (Viking?) was implying that the ADS in magazines SUPPLEMENT magazines incomes -- ie, mazgines/newspapers get income from the cover price. That is not correct (the cover price is all-but irrelevant), magazines, like all media, are simply things that exist because of advertising. People sit down and go whats a new way to sell ads - oh I know, we'll do a motorbike magazine / a business magazine / a women's magazine. It's not the other way around. But don't take my word for it, I've only ever bought a couple hundred million of magazine ads on three continents, I asked a mate who does the finances for newspaper empires, M, what percentage of a newspaper or magazine's income is derived from the cover price. I thought it was nothing, but you tell me to be sure... At 11:29 PM -0500 6/21/01, - - wrote: It is around 0 - 2 %, it covers the cost of printing if they are lucky. Just an example, a full-page ad in the Wall Street Journal is $110,000. Since a magazine or newspaper has to have at least 50% editorial (that's why you get all these shit articles when you buy a fat magazine - they have more ads then content, so they just make stuff up!) you can do a simple calculation. Today's WSJ has 108 pages. Assuming they have an equal split that's 54 pages of ads. Factoring out volume discounts and small ads pay more per square inch, you can assume the average page cost is still 110k. $110k x 54 is $5,940,000 - just for today! The only reason they charge a cover price is to offer a discount to subscribers, so that subscribers feel good for getting a 'dicsount' (it's normal 'price-point' decision making like for many products). They could give a shit what you pay, but the only thing that counts for determining ad rates is your subscriber base. That is why magazines are obsessed with getting and retaining subscribers, and keep sending you the magazine for life even if you stop paying - the more you have the more you can charge for ads. There is an entire independent bureau that monitors this because it is so important. It is definitely a good business. Remember the guy I told you I worked for that is now at AOL Time Warner and is on the Forbes 400 list? He started out by producing the Mac Buyers Guide. All it was, was a list of all the software you could buy for the Mac and he hired some guy to write some reviews. He expanded into gaming and all the *fringe* electronic stuff in the eighties. He sold it, for stock, to AOL very early on because they wanted his most valuable asset his subscriber list. The damn stock is now worth over $140 million!! (At the time the stock was only worth 20 million, but still quite a haul.) Publishing is the way to make some big bucks fast. (think Citizen Kane) The problem is finding a niche that can generate a shit-load of subscribers! Probably a lot more than you wanted to know, but hey, I had a few minutes to spare!! Have a great trip! -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 21, 2001
Anybody who opened that attachment from David now has a trojan virus on their system. I have a Mac, so I for one am unharmed, but david best not ever meet me or my mates in person. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: More competition / patents
Dagny Taggart wrote: e-gold does not have a patent in anything. So what do they have to offer? Defensive patents are there to protect against patent lawsuits, not to start them. If that's what he's doing, he's only sitting on the patent as a means to wrangle a ceasefire if some other company attacks. another exciting patent buzzword is submarine patent, which is perhaps what Mr T's was? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Pay-Spam
Frankly, the demand for a list of all 280,000 e-gold customers would be a low quality list even if e-gold did rent it out. Only about 40% of those accounts actually have money in them, and even fewer have more than $10 worth. Fascinating, I now know of 3-4 clients that will pay anything (say, $100 per thousand impressions -- 50 TIMES more than normal doubleclick rates .. maybe much more ..) to reach active users --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] it never ends!!!
At 7:52 AM -0700 6/26/01, Charles Evans wrote: Please pardon the impersonality of this message. It is going to several recipients. While attending a conference in Scotland, I was served a 15-page civil complaint, initiated by Gold Silver Reserve, this morning. They accuse me, personally, of Misappropriation of Trade Secrets, Tortious Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage, Unfair Business Practices, and Breach of the Duty of Loyalty. I categorically dispute these claims. If this adversely affects your willingness to do business with me, please let me know. Charles Evans I feel like a BOZO because *I* have never been sued by GSR !!! I'm so out of it. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] the end in sight
Goldfingercoin.com is launching its new gold currency very soon. http://www.e-bullion.com/ Gee, it will be funny to see the philosophical debate there about them not letting trusted, large merchants who want to advertise on their site to e-bullion users, do so. (Previous sentence: sarcasm.) Looks like that about it wraps it up for e-gold. E-Bullion.com is controlled and administered by true professionals in the precious metals trade. they could add... E-Bullion.com is controlled and administered by true professionals in the precious metals trade, who do not spend all their time suing everyone --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: MetalSavings withdrawals
I notice that MetalSavings has zero in its account, so that withdrawals are obviously impossible. Isn't zero a rather slim reserve? I would have thought twenty to fifty percent would be more like it. heh -- you know, there may be a new service, along the lines of metal savings, coming soon. But it will be spectacularly more robust (to begin with, it wiould never lend e-gold to anyone in the e-gold community *wink* ), quite soon. BTW, I have had no trouble normally withdrawing (lots, kilos) of gold in and out of MS - although I have had to write to Erich each time. If I'm not mistaken he's basically shutting down that service. -- I feel like we're inside a Civilization game and there's some fucking idiot playing. --Michael T. McNamara --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] free shippin'
i notice Amazon (in a desperate bid to actually make money? :) ) is offering a lot of FREE shipping lately - example, buy any COMBINATION of books and music or dvds, and you get free shipping. Take advantage on bananagold.com. (All special offers, etc, are automatically passed on to bananagold spendors) JP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
