Re: [Elecraft] no issues with output power on ssb!

2008-05-09 Thread Ian J Maude

Fern Rivard wrote:

I fail to understand what the big complaint is with low ssb power with your 
K3. My K3 is serial 4XX and have had it for approximately 2 months. My output 
power is identical on ssb as it is on cw. I have refused to download any of the 
new firmware as my radio has been working great as it. I am anxiously waiting a 
version of firmware that doesn't have any bugs left in it and I will then 
upgrade.
  

My word Fern, you are going to be waiting for some time :)

73 Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread David Cutter
I would be tempted to replace the 120VAC relay with a dc relay and key it 
directly from the rig.  Don't forget to fit a diode across it to squash the 
back emf.  This may have other ramifications and might not be this simple, 
but it's well worth consideration.


David
G3UNA


The FAQ for the K3 promised a 0-50 ms amp keying delay.  We got only 0-20 ms 
in the latest release.I don't think 20 ms is enough in my case, based on 
my primitive research.  Several experts have said mine might need as much 
as 30-35 ms.  My amp's relay is a 30 yr old Potter  Brumfield open frame 
model with a 120vac  coil.


To make things worse, since the K3 will not switch 120vac, I must use 
another relay with a 12vdc coil in the line between the K3 and the amp, 
which in turn pulls in the PB relay.  This exacerbates the matter by taking 
even more time, and I'm afraid to try anything for fear it will damage the 
K3 and the amp.  Am I wrong??  Anyone care to comment??


One of the many reasons I bought the K3 was to be able to operate at least 
semi break in CW and VOX with my old amp without hot switching, by virtue of 
having ample switching delay.  I've waited months for the feature and am 
disappointed..


However, I hasten to add this:  As a K2 user/owner/builder, I expected much 
in the K3.  I got much more than I expected.  I gave up a nice Icom Pro 3 
for the K3 and don't miss the Pro 3 one iota.  The K3 is unbelievable in 
what it can do and how superbly it does it. And getting new firmware is 
icing on the cake.


But I sure wish I had 0-50ms amp delay capability!  How about it, Wayne?

George, N4YM

K2 # 4758
K3 # 340


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch

2008-05-09 Thread David Woolley

Thomas Norff wrote:

IMHO it would be neat to have a 'dynamic' tuning rate.

If the system would monitor your 'speed' while turning the knob it would be
possible to increase the speed 


I was surprised that even the K2 didn't do it.  The Sangean 803A (and 
other brandings of the same hardware), a consumer SWL receiver with SSB 
capability, does it and it has been common in mouse and trackball 
drivers for three or so decades.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread AD6XY - Mike

Some lack of communication between Greg and Wayne I expect regarding the
published figures. Luckily, this is a simple thing to fix one would hope. I
sent in a list of relay transit times on 2nd April.

It was quite clear that 20mS was needed for the smaller coaxial relays like
the very commonly used CX540 and up to 50mS for the very high power relays
that you might use on a 1.5kW 6m amplifier. I was surprised to discover the
maximum delay was set to only 20mS as this is not enough; a margin is
needed. 

The CX540 is common and http://www.nts-electronic.com/cx540d.htm tells me it
takes 20mS to engage and 15mS to release. Tohotsu relays are very common.
The CX230, CZX3500, CX600, CX800, CX140
 and CX120 are often used in amateur applications (because they are cheap).
They also all specify 20mS.

For really high power SSB electronics (Germany) do a specialist range of
relays. These specify 30mS for the HF400 series, 40mS for the HF500/1500
series and 50mS for the HF4000 series.




wayne burdick wrote:
 
 George,
 
 Before settling on a max of 20 ms we looked at a number of amplifiers 
 and got input from several experts. If yours (or others) really need 
 more than 20 ms, I can increase the delay with some additional work.
 
 Please contact me directly if you find out any more about your 
 particular delay time requirements.
 
 tnx
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
 On May 8, 2008, at 5:53 PM, George wrote:
 
 The FAQ for the K3 promised a 0-50 ms amp keying delay.  We got only 
 0-20 ms in the latest release.I don't think 20 ms is enough in my 
 case, based on my primitive research.  Several experts have said 
 mine might need as much as 30-35 ms.  My amp's relay is a 30 yr old 
 Potter  Brumfield open frame model with a 120vac  coil.
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Alexandr Kobranov

Hi George,

you are right with 20ms limit, it is also little bit short for complex 
system like VHF/UHF EME station or similar extreme.
But we can use TX INHIBIT if delay is not enough, signal for this can 
be genetated by some additional contacts of final relay.

So I suppose there is way not only via TX DELAY.

GL  73!
Lexa, ok1dst
K3 #727

George napsal(a):

The FAQ for the K3 promised a 0-50 ms amp keying delay.  We got only 0-20 ms in the latest 
release.I don't think 20 ms is enough in my case, based on my primitive research.  
Several experts have said mine might need as much as 30-35 ms.  My amp's relay is 
a 30 yr old Potter  Brumfield open frame model with a 120vac  coil.

To make things worse, since the K3 will not switch 120vac, I must use another relay 
with a 12vdc coil in the line between the K3 and the amp, which in turn pulls in 
the PB relay.  This exacerbates the matter by taking even more time, and I'm 
afraid to try anything for fear it will damage the K3 and the amp.  Am I wrong??  
Anyone care to comment??

One of the many reasons I bought the K3 was to be able to operate at least semi 
break in CW and VOX with my old amp without hot switching, by virtue of having 
ample switching delay.  I've waited months for the feature and am disappointed..

However, I hasten to add this:  As a K2 user/owner/builder, I expected much in 
the K3.  I got much more than I expected.  I gave up a nice Icom Pro 3 for the 
K3 and don't miss the Pro 3 one iota.  The K3 is unbelievable in what it can do 
and how superbly it does it. And getting new firmware is icing on the cake.

But I sure wish I had 0-50ms amp delay capability!  How about it, Wayne?

George, N4YM

K2 # 4758
K3 # 340

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Re: [Elecraft] K2: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?

2008-05-09 Thread AD6XY - Mike

A good book to read because of the lack of contacts possible for common
G-stations who are never DX to anyone? Not an issue for TF3KX.

Seriously, a wire dipole antenna and some means of attaching it to supports.
Open wire and coax feeder. A balun (I have the auto ATU). DC lead and PSU.
Key, Microphone. notebook. I do not have a lightweight telescoping pole but
it would be useful. Mobile phone. Duck Tape.

Mike



TF3KX wrote:
 
 Summer is around the corner (finally here, up at the arctic circle). 
 Those of you organized enough to have the K2 ready to be taken on the road
 or on the trail on a short notice, what do you have in that travel kit,
 aside from the K2 itself?
 
 CW-key, mike, headphones, log book, pre-cut antenna wire, telescoping
 pole,...?
 
 73 - Kristinn, TF3KX
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch

2008-05-09 Thread David Woolley

n4lq wrote:

Nowadays a lot of hams have amplifiers, tuners and rotary beams that 
follow the bandswitching. Imagine what happens to all those relays and 
motors when quickly scrolling through each band.


The K2 (current firmware) defers any internal relay switching until 
about 0.5 seconds after the last band switch press.  If the K3 doesn't 
already do it, couldn't it defer sending any signals that would normally 
cause external switching in the same way?


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Re: [Elecraft] no issues with output power on ssb!

2008-05-09 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Fern, I urge you to keep up-to-date with the firmware, maybe not  
updating immediately new firmware comes out (as on the very day), but  
certainly within a few days (weeks at most).


A lot of us will download ASAP in order to help spot problems and  
advise Elecraft accordingly, only with our help can they find the more  
obscure problems. That's not to say they don't test and double test  
etc., but some issues are so obscure, only a certain operating  
condition or way of using the K3 will find it.


If you want to use things like the second receiver or digital voice  
recorder, you're going to have to upgrade anyway.


It is impossible to write code without a bug (I should know, I've been  
trying to do so for the last 38 years), I defy anyone to be able to do  
it.
When the code is of firmware of this sophistication, it becomes even  
harder. There will inevitably be issues, the significant thing with  
Elecraft's code is the great lengths and effort they go to, to find  
and reduce the bugs and their response to bug reports and the speed at  
which they fix problems. You wont find that in the other big  
manufactures (radio or otherwise).


73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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There is always one more bug, even after you fixed the last one...

On 9 May 2008, at 04:07, Fern Rivard wrote:

   I fail to understand what the big complaint is with low ssb power  
with your K3. My K3 is serial 4XX and have had it for approximately  
2 months. My output power is identical on ssb as it is on cw. I have  
refused to download any of the new firmware as my radio has been  
working great as it. I am anxiously waiting a version of firmware  
that doesn't have any bugs left in it and I will then upgrade.

   Just my 2 cents worth from FernVE7GZ


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[Elecraft] K2 and K3: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?

2008-05-09 Thread Lennart Michaelsson
 ..and a small power supply.
Just bought the MFJ-4125P which at 1.3 kg or 2.9 pounds is light and small.
Comes with Anderson Power Poles at the front. Switchable 115-230 V
Drawbacks are a noisy fan (with medium duty use a series resistor to the fan
cuts noise) and MFJ so far has not supplied an updated schematic and is slow
in responding to this matter.
73
Len
SM7BIC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Ian White GM3SEK

George wrote:
The FAQ for the K3 promised a 0-50 ms amp keying delay.  We got only 
0-20 ms in the latest release.I don't think 20 ms is enough in my 
case, based on my primitive research.  Several experts have said mine 
might need as much as 30-35 ms.  My amp's relay is a 30 yr old Potter  
Brumfield open frame model with a 120vac  coil.




That's correct in my experience also. In supporting the Triode Board and 
Tetrode Boards, I have often measured 30ms switching delays in typical 
older amplifiers that use 2-pole and 3-pole open-frame relays.


Such amplifiers are still being used in very large numbers - and indeed 
they are still being manufactured. Since the K3 will be used with a wide 
range of unknown amplifiers, a 20ms delay is not long enough to 
guarantee there will be no contact arcing when the RF appears.



To make things worse, since the K3 will not switch 120vac, I must use 
another relay with a 12vdc coil in the line between the K3 and the amp, 
which in turn pulls in the PB relay.  This exacerbates the matter by 
taking even more time, and I'm afraid to try anything for fear it will 
damage the K3 and the amp.  Am I wrong??  Anyone care to comment??


That is correct. Attempting to switch 120V AC will damage the K3, and an 
intermediate relay will add even more delay.


But we have to draw a line somewhere. At some point we have to stop 
blaming the transceiver manufacturer, and accept responsibility for 
modifying the amplifier.


The modern interface standard is that the amplifier PTT input has an 
open-circuit (unkeyed) voltage of no more than +12-15V DC, and that the 
amp can be keyed by switching this input to ground with a current of a 
few milliamps. All modern transceivers meet that interface standard, and 
the K3 meets it very comfortably.


Amplifiers that require high-voltage, AC or negative switching are 30 
years behind the times. If the owner wishes to use the amplifier with a 
modern transceiver, I think it's clearly his responsibility to bring the 
switching interface up to date. Every design is different, but 
modifications are out there on the web, and none of them should take 
more than an evening's work.


If Elecraft can move a little too, by stretching the maximum keying 
delay to at least 30ms, then everyone could be happy.


With a little more effort, some of these slow relays can be speeded up 
electronically, without the trouble of changing to faster relays. The 
link below gives details of a circuit that can be used to speed up any 
RF relays operating from a +12-24V DC supply:

http://tinyurl.com/6n8wjg


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RE: [Elecraft] Dayton Contest University

2008-05-09 Thread Ed K1EP

I will be there too.

At 5/8/2008 10:23 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

I'll be there.

Dick, K6KR


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Any Elecraft owners attending CU at Dayton this time
around? Would like to meet anyone who feels so
inclined.

73,
Julius

Julius Fazekas
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Elecraft K3/100 #366
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Re: [Elecraft] K2: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?

2008-05-09 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
A type of antenna that I keep packed for use at short notice is a halfwave 
centre fed dipole for use as a vertical, where part of the coax feeder forms 
the bottom half of the dipole. With this arrangement the coax feeder comes 
away from the bottom of the antenna not from the centre, radials are not 
essential and matching is easy. The complete antenna and feeder could be 
made using a single length of coax. Although it is a single band antenna 
there might be a modification, which I have not yet tried, to get it to work 
well on two perhaps three bands. I have used this scheme to feed Half 
Squares and other types of phased vertical arrays.


If of any interest to you please let me know and I will send you a diagram.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Kristinn, TF3KX, wrote on Friday, May 09, 2008 3:07 AM

Summer is around the corner (finally here, up at the arctic circle). 
Those

of you organized enough to have the K2 ready to be taken on the road or on
the trail on a short notice, what do you have in that travel kit, aside 
from

the K2 itself?

CW-key, mike, headphones, log book, pre-cut antenna wire, telescoping
pole,...?



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Re: [Elecraft] Bluetooth to RS232

2008-05-09 Thread Dr. Werner Furlan
hi all, 

On 8 May 2008 at 5:43, Mike Scott wrote:

 I liked the K2 Bluetooth serial adapter project.
 
 I Googled Bluetooth serial adapters (there are quite a few) and ran
 into an A7 Engineering product. 
 
 http://www.a7eng.com/products/embeddedblue/serial/eb501-SER.htm
 
 It is lower cost than the Socket Bluetooth adapter.
 It looks ready to embed (doesn't have to be disassembled). It needs an
 antenna. I wonder how I would mount an antenna on a K3; if it were
 internal it seems to me that the case would severely impede signal.

I use the Blue Air adapter from Lynn Hansen KU7Q.
http://www.lynovation.com/

and was available as a kit some time ago.
there is some information on his homepage how to build one yourself.

There is a Pocket PC program to remote control the transceiver. 
Works good with the K2, I did not yet plug it into my K3, but should behave 
the same. 

73! de Werner
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Re: [Elecraft] Bluetooth to RS232

2008-05-09 Thread Ed K1EP

At 5/9/2008 07:22 AM, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

hi all,

On 8 May 2008 at 5:43, Mike Scott wrote:

 I liked the K2 Bluetooth serial adapter project.

 I Googled Bluetooth serial adapters (there are quite a few) and ran
 into an A7 Engineering product.

 http://www.a7eng.com/products/embeddedblue/serial/eb501-SER.htm

 It is lower cost than the Socket Bluetooth adapter.
 It looks ready to embed (doesn't have to be disassembled). It needs an
 antenna. I wonder how I would mount an antenna on a K3; if it were
 internal it seems to me that the case would severely impede signal.

I use the Blue Air adapter from Lynn Hansen KU7Q.
http://www.lynovation.com/

and was available as a kit some time ago.
there is some information on his homepage how to build one yourself.

There is a Pocket PC program to remote control the transceiver.
Works good with the K2, I did not yet plug it into my K3, but should behave
the same.


What is the latency and does it support control lines (DTR, CTS, etc.)? 


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Re: [Elecraft] K2: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?

2008-05-09 Thread N4OI

Summer means beach time here in the Carolinas.  I take my K1, lightweight 20m
dipole (K1 ATU tunes to all 4 bands), Palm Mini-Paddle, 5.0ah gel cell,
earphones, bungee cords and a couple of telescoping lure retriver poles: 
http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151catalogId=10001langId=-1partNumber=37104hvarTarget=searchcmCat=SearchResults

Oh, sunglasses, sunblock, hat and swimsuit

73 de Ken - N4OI / K1


TF3KX wrote:
 
 Summer is around the corner (finally here, up at the arctic circle). 
 Those of you organized enough to have the K2 ready to be taken on the road
 or on the trail on a short notice, what do you have in that travel kit,
 aside from the K2 itself?
 
 CW-key, mike, headphones, log book, pre-cut antenna wire, telescoping
 pole,...?
 
 73 - Kristinn, TF3KX
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread K3KO

Ian,

Your remarks are quite appropriate.

My question to those needing 50ms delays is: What are you doing now with
your XYZ radio?

The sequencing problem for complicated VHF/UHF setups is complex.  Just
delaying the RF out of the transceiver is an unlikely complete solution.  
It almost always requires lots of external hardware and sequencing
logic/delays that is specific to the harware being used.   Designing and
building that is part of the endeavor.  

I don't understand why people are so adverse to using the inhibit line
provided by the K3.
It will prevent hot switching.

BTW people using AC relays should be aware that they will also operate just
fine on DC.  (115vac relays work fine on 24VDC).  Once converted for DC
operation, they can be speeded up by methods like you point to.   

73 de Brian/K3KO



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Re: [Elecraft] K2: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?

2008-05-09 Thread Jon K Hellan

Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
A type of antenna that I keep packed for use at short notice is a 
halfwave centre fed dipole for use as a vertical, where part of the coax 
feeder forms the bottom half of the dipole.


How do you terminate the radiating part of the coax? I've tried antennas
based on this principle both on HF and 2m. On HF, I tried the no
counterpoise antenna by M3KXZ with very disappointing results. On VHF,
I've had good results with the coax antenna by LA1IC described (in
Norwegian!) at http://la2t.org/teknikk/vertikal2m.html.

Choking off the radiating part of the coax is challenging, because we're
trying to choke a voltage node. I was told that the coil which
terminates the radiating part of the coax on the 2m antenna is chosen to
resonate as a parallell trap at 2m with its stray capcitance. On the HF
antenna, I just wrapped the feeder around a large toroid 10-15 times,
and that did not work well.

My 2m antenna needs are modest, so take this with a grain of salt.

73
LA4RT Jon

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[Elecraft] K3 60m setup?

2008-05-09 Thread cx7tt
While playing with my K3, I selected 5.0 mHZ for WWV using manual Freq 
ENT. When I then changed bands with the rocker switch the bands would go 
from 80m to 5.0 to 40m. I vaguely remember seeing one of the 60m freq 
5403.5 when I first fired up the rig back in March. Did I inadvertently 
erase the 60m channels or were they never there? I looked thru the 
manual but could only find on page 37 how to set up Channel Hopping. Are 
programmed memory freqs how we access 60m?
I then manually programmed the 60m freq into Memory 1-5 and included the 
* for channel hopping...however, the MV did not work to save the 
freq..so then I went to page 16 and programmed the memories via VM. So 
now I have the 5 60m freq in memories 1 thru 5. When I try to start 
scanning (Channel hopping) by holding 'Scan', I get Set A/B on the 
lower LCD. I tried to put 5330.5 in A and 5403.5 in B and press 'SCAN'. 
Then it said MV req.  I set memory 1 to 5330.5 and B vfo was 5403.5..So 
I followed the instructions of MV and set #1 memory and tried 'SCAN' 
agn...this time the B vfo defaulted to 5.000 mHZok, I give up...what 
am I missing?

73
Tom
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Firmware Fatigue - was K2 v K3

2008-05-09 Thread drewko1
Something I don't get... if flashing a new firmware version is so easy
why wouldn't someone want to try the latest version, knowing they can
go back to the old one if it doens't work out? I would think it would
be fun.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Thu, 08 May 2008 08:37:15 -0700, Dave W7AQK wrote:


As for myself, I have been sort of dragging my feet on some of the software 
upgrades.  I'm still using 1.75, which generally works pretty well.  I'm 
letting everyone else shake things out first.  I know I'll be upgrading soon 
enough.  I'm anxious to see things work better, but I'm not losing any sleep 
over it.  I have been assured that the things I've noticed as being less 
than satisfactory will be dealt with.  I have no reason to doubt that, so 
I'm content to give them time to do it.  And although it has been said 
before, I'll repeat it--there isn't any other radio I know of where the 
users are communicating so openly with the designers to obtain desired 
changes.  Maybe there will come a day when I feel some disappointment with 
the K3, but I'm sure nowhere close to that point currently.  I could 
probably be critical of Elecraft about several things, but being responsive 
to their customers sure isn't one of them.

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread AD6XY - Mike



K3KO wrote:
 
 
 I don't understand why people are so adverse to using the inhibit line
 provided by the K3.
 It will prevent hot switching.   
 
 BTW people using AC relays should be aware that they will also operate
 just fine on DC.  (115vac relays work fine on 24VDC).  Once converted for
 DC operation, they can be speeded up by methods like you point to.   
 
 

Two points there - 

The first one is, it does not fail safe if the connector is unplugged for
any reason. The same applies to sequencing via an external PTT source if the
radio defaults to VOX on CW. Feedback is always going to be the best way as
long as it can not be bypassed by mistake. What you should do is both
requiring a minimum delay to occur before transmission and also use the
inhibit line.

The second is a most useful tip. How general is this or is it only some
coils have the correct impedance/resistance ratio? Will there be any other
issues? What about long term dissipation? 

Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Greg - AB7R
No lack of communication.  :)  Many people were asking for some amount of 
adjustability.  Up to 20mS is what Wayne could do and get it out quickly.  I 
believe he still plans to increase this but the code is going to be more 
involved.  
The item is still on the list.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Fri May  9  0:18 , AD6XY - Mike  sent:


Some lack of communication between Greg and Wayne I expect regarding the
published figures. Luckily, this is a simple thing to fix one would hope. I
sent in a list of relay transit times on 2nd April.

It was quite clear that 20mS was needed for the smaller coaxial relays like
the very commonly used CX540 and up to 50mS for the very high power relays
that you might use on a 1.5kW 6m amplifier. I was surprised to discover the
maximum delay was set to only 20mS as this is not enough; a margin is
needed. 

The CX540 is common and http://www.nts-electronic.com/cx540d.htm tells me it
takes 20mS to engage and 15mS to release. Tohotsu relays are very common.
The CX230, CZX3500, CX600, CX800, CX140
 and CX120 are often used in amateur applications (because they are cheap).
They also all specify 20mS.

For really high power SSB electronics (Germany) do a specialist range of
relays. These specify 30mS for the HF400 series, 40mS for the HF500/1500
series and 50mS for the HF4000 series.




wayne burdick wrote:
 
 George,
 
 Before settling on a max of 20 ms we looked at a number of amplifiers 
 and got input from several experts. If yours (or others) really need 
 more than 20 ms, I can increase the delay with some additional work.
 
 Please contact me directly if you find out any more about your 
 particular delay time requirements.
 
 tnx
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
 On May 8, 2008, at 5:53 PM, George wrote:
 
 The FAQ for the K3 promised a 0-50 ms amp keying delay.  We got only 
 0-20 ms in the latest release.I don't think 20 ms is enough in my 
 case, based on my primitive research.  Several experts have said 
 mine might need as much as 30-35 ms.  My amp's relay is a 30 yr old 
 Potter  Brumfield open frame model with a 120vac  coil.
 
 
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[Elecraft] Re: K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Dave G4AON
Surely a 21st century top of the range transceiver like the K3 shouldn't 
be expected to cater for old slow amplifiers. In the case of new 
amplifiers the buyers need to specify they want QSK capability. The 
message will eventually be circulated that slow switching linears aren't 
wanted!


I've not measured the switching time of my Acom 1000, but understand 
from one of the dealers it's around 4 mS. If Acom can achieve those 
speeds others can.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 60m setup?

2008-05-09 Thread mzilmer
Channel Hopping doesn't work yet.  It's on the fixit list.

matt zilmer, W6NIA

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/05/09 Fri AM 07:44:17 CDT
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 60m setup?

While playing with my K3, I selected 5.0 mHZ for WWV using manual Freq 
ENT. When I then changed bands with the rocker switch the bands would go 
from 80m to 5.0 to 40m. I vaguely remember seeing one of the 60m freq 
5403.5 when I first fired up the rig back in March. Did I inadvertently 
erase the 60m channels or were they never there? I looked thru the 
manual but could only find on page 37 how to set up Channel Hopping. Are 
programmed memory freqs how we access 60m?
I then manually programmed the 60m freq into Memory 1-5 and included the 
* for channel hopping...however, the MV did not work to save the 
freq..so then I went to page 16 and programmed the memories via VM. So 
now I have the 5 60m freq in memories 1 thru 5. When I try to start 
scanning (Channel hopping) by holding 'Scan', I get Set A/B on the 
lower LCD. I tried to put 5330.5 in A and 5403.5 in B and press 'SCAN'. 
Then it said MV req.  I set memory 1 to 5330.5 and B vfo was 5403.5..So 
I followed the instructions of MV and set #1 memory and tried 'SCAN' 
agn...this time the B vfo defaulted to 5.000 mHZok, I give up...what 
am I missing?
73
Tom
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Why is fast switching necessary?  This sounds like the planned
obsolence that Microsoft and other corporations encourage.

And ACOM even has provision for routing T/R switching through the amp
in most of their amps.

This attitude is nonsense.

73, doug


   Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 15:56:47 +0100
   From: Dave G4AON [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Surely a 21st century top of the range transceiver like the K3 shouldn't 
   be expected to cater for old slow amplifiers. In the case of new 
   amplifiers the buyers need to specify they want QSK capability. The 
   message will eventually be circulated that slow switching linears aren't 
   wanted!

   I've not measured the switching time of my Acom 1000, but understand 
   from one of the dealers it's around 4 mS. If Acom can achieve those 
   speeds others can.

   73 Dave, G4AON
   K3/100 #80
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[Elecraft] Re: K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Dave G4AON
CW semi QSK and QSK. What's the point of having the feature in the 
transceiver only to have to revert to manual change over when a linear 
is used?

The Acom 1000 with operate full QSK with the K3 without a problem.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
===

Why is fast switching necessary? This sounds like the planned
obsolence that Microsoft and other corporations encourage.

And ACOM even has provision for routing T/R switching through the amp
in most of their amps.

This attitude is nonsense.

73, doug
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RE: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
Guys,

I donot understand this discussion.
Someone asked for a delay longer than 20ms. It's not in the formware
(yet).
That's it.

73,
Arie PA3A

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[Elecraft] K3: Older Amps - small rant

2008-05-09 Thread Lee Buller

I just one to make a point that there are so many older amplifiers out there 
(SB-200, 220, 221 to name a few) that it will take another decade (if not more) 
to get them all out of circulation.  Why?  Because they are cheap right now.  

Look at the price of an Acom, Alpha, or a QRO and the price of the SB series or 
the L4/L7 series is quite appealing.  An L7 went for $1600 on E-bay the other 
day while the next week, two other L7s went for $900.  Prices for used 
amplifiers are all over the place but seem to be high.  The SB Series go for 
$500 to $800 dollars while the Ten Tecs, Alphas (depending on model) and the 
like go for $1200 to $2300.  Even the Ameritrons of the 800H and higher ilk are 
going for $1700 to $2400 dollars.  

Some of the more expensive amps still have open frame relays in them which is 
cheap, but is not what the customer wants or needs.  Going to vacuum relays or 
PIN diode switching just adds to the cost of the unit.

So there are a plethora of older amps out there that are using open frame relay 
for T/R...which means slow.  Yes, there are ways of speeding them up, but most 
people don't bother.  The old SB series are so numerous and many people do not 
take the time to upgrade the T/R circuitry because it is tricky to do.  If you 
are an appliance operator I doubt that you would tackle it.  But, for a around 
a $100 bucks these older amps could be upgrade with vacuum relays

The amplifiers are becoming more expensive because of the expense of 
parts...tubes, switches, etc.  Tubes are outrageous except for the Chinese 
3-500Z and the 811A and maybe the 572.  The cost of the 3CX800 and the 8877 are 
just through the roof.

The older, slower amps, will be around for a long time.  It is about dollars.  
Not everyone can afford the Acom, Alpha, QRO, Command Technogies, or the Ten 
Tec. (Used or New)

I appreciate the time and effort that Wayne and the crew are doing to have the 
K3  interface with these older amps. 

I am just not sure how they are going to work out the Knife Switch issue.

Lee Buller
K0WA



In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you don't 
have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find 
any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Older Amps - small rant

2008-05-09 Thread Philip Leonard WVØT

Lee Buller wrote:

I am just not sure how they are going to work out the Knife Switch issue.


K3relay (open frame)solenoidknife switch

Should work fine.

73 de Philip
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch

2008-05-09 Thread Vic K2VCO

David Woolley wrote:

n4lq wrote:

Nowadays a lot of hams have amplifiers, tuners and rotary beams that 
follow the bandswitching. Imagine what happens to all those relays and 
motors when quickly scrolling through each band.


The K2 (current firmware) defers any internal relay switching until 
about 0.5 seconds after the last band switch press.  If the K3 doesn't 
already do it, couldn't it defer sending any signals that would normally 
cause external switching in the same way?


The K3 DOES do this. I use a KRC2 to control antenna relays and they do 
not start to clack until I stop pushing the band button.

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Vic, K2VCO
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 60m setup?

2008-05-09 Thread KM5Q
True, channel hopping isn't yet implemented in firmware (nor is  
stopping for strong stations when scanning).


Also, others have reported the same problem of BAND switch going to  
out-of-band previous stops, like WWV. We have to wait for that too.


Best to be thrilled with what you have, and wait patiently for the  
small issues to be addressed.


Windy KM5Q
Santa Fe, NM
K3 #764




Channel Hopping doesn't work yet.  It's on the fixit list.
matt zilmer, W6NIA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Vic K2VCO

Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

That is correct. Attempting to switch 120V AC will damage the K3, and an 
intermediate relay will add even more delay.


snip

Amplifiers that require high-voltage, AC or negative switching are 30 
years behind the times. If the owner wishes to use the amplifier with a 
modern transceiver, I think it's clearly his responsibility to bring the 
switching interface up to date. Every design is different, but 
modifications are out there on the web, and none of them should take 
more than an evening's work.


I agree. One simple modification that you can make without changing the 
relay is to provide a 28-30 volt DC source in the amplifier. This will 
operate a 120 volt AC relay reliably (and may make it quieter, too).


The K3's switching circuit will handle 30vdc easily. Of course, you 
still have to determine the delay needed.

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73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Hi George!

We start to bump up against shortening the first dit on CW when delays 
longer than 20 mS are selected. We'd certainly like to support longer TX 
delays, but it will take a little head scratching and f/w work to make 
it happen. We'll certainly strive to do as much as we can in this area.


If you and other members on the list can send me the max delay supported 
by other rigs currently on the market, that will help us figure out if 
this is reasonable.


I was unaware of any commercial rig supplying much above 20-25 mS of 
keyout to RF delay.  The K2 provides 10-12 mS of delay and we've had 
very few complaints even with that. What delay does the Pro-III support? 
Were you able to drive your amplifier in semi-break-in with it? I am 
unaware of any current production Ham rig that supports directly keying 
high current AC relays with greater than 20-25 mS long delays. (But I 
could be wrong :-) That's why many VHF ops, who require long delays for 
their transverter and antenna switch chains, usually use a foot switch 
to manually key everything before generating RF.


One other thought, just looking at the theoretical worst case relay 
settling time may overstate the delay required. What is the time delay 
for the amp RF path itself? Also, the worst case settling delay is 
usually specified for DC or low freq AC loads. At RF, the contacts may 
be close enough, with enough contact to provide a very low impedance RF 
path well before this time, even if they are still settling.


In any case, we'll keep looking at this.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
==

George wrote:

I don't think 20 ms is enough in my case, based on my primitive research.  Several 
experts have said mine might need as much as 30-35 ms.  My amp's relay is a 30 yr 
old Potter  Brumfield open frame model with a 120vac  coil.

To make things worse, since the K3 will not switch 120vac, I must use another relay 
with a 12vdc coil in the line between the K3 and the amp, which in turn pulls in 
the PB relay.  This exacerbates the matter by taking even more time, and I'm 
afraid to try anything for fear it will damage the K3 and the amp.  Am I wrong??  
Anyone care to comment??

One of the many reasons I bought the K3 was to be able to operate at least semi 
break in CW and VOX with my old amp without hot switching, by virtue of having 
ample switching delay.  I've waited months for the feature and am disappointed..

However, I hasten to add this:  As a K2 user/owner/builder, I expected much in 
the K3.  I got much more than I expected.  I gave up a nice Icom Pro 3 for the 
K3 and don't miss the Pro 3 one iota.  The K3 is unbelievable in what it can do 
and how superbly it does it. And getting new firmware is icing on the cake.

But I sure wish I had 0-50ms amp delay capability!  How about it, Wayne?

George, N4YM

K2 # 4758
K3 # 340

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Ian White GM3SEK

Greg - AB7R wrote:

No lack of communication.  :)  Many people were asking for some amount of



adjustability.  Up to 20mS is what Wayne could do and get it out quickly.  I


believe he still plans to increase this but the code is going to be 
more involved.



The item is still on the list.


Thanks, Greg - that's all we need to know for the present.

When Wayne revisits this feature, a reasonable goal would be 30ms, which 
would accommodate the vast majority of HF amplifiers. (The FT-1000 
series have the same adjustment range.)


Whatever the transceiver/amplifier combination, the way to adjust the 
transceiver's key-down delay is to use a low level of drive, and start 
at the maximum delay the transceiver can provide. Progressively shorten 
the delay until severe clicks begin to appear at key-down, because RF is 
arriving before the relay contacts have fully settled. Then increase the 
delay to a safe value at which no clicks appear, even at full power.



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[Elecraft] K3 Variable amp keying delay not long enough!!??

2008-05-09 Thread Phil Debbie Salas

If you and other members on the list can send me the max delay supported
by other rigs currently on the market, that will help us figure out if
this is reasonable.


Hi Eric - I have looked at this (part of my effort to make a QSK mod to my 
ALS-600).  I found the following:


IC-706MKIIG:  13ms (fixed)
IC-7000:  8ms (fixed)
TS-480/2000:  10ms or 25ms (selectable)
TenTec Orion/OmniVII:  15ms (fixed)
Yaesu MKV:  5-30ms variable
Yaesu FT-2000:  15ms (fixed)

Phil - AD5X 


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[Elecraft] tune pwr

2008-05-09 Thread Todd Ruby
I have just put the K3 on the air for the first time after  
downloading all firmware upgrades. When I hold TUNE pwr is at 0 and  
rotating the PWR ctrl gets it to a desired output just fine. when i  
go to retune it is back at 0 watts and I have to rotate the PWR knob  
each time. What is the way to have the PWR be at least set to where  
it was previously?


tnx in advance




73
de
todd
WB2ZAB

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Re: [Elecraft] tune pwr

2008-05-09 Thread Mike N8XPQ

Yes,

Hold down the menu key to enter the config menu. Rotate VFO B knob until you
find TUN PWR set this setting to your desired tune power. I hope this helps.

Mike N8XPQ


Todd Ruby wrote:
 
 I have just put the K3 on the air for the first time after  
 downloading all firmware upgrades. When I hold TUNE pwr is at 0 and  
 rotating the PWR ctrl gets it to a desired output just fine. when i  
 go to retune it is back at 0 watts and I have to rotate the PWR knob  
 each time. What is the way to have the PWR be at least set to where  
 it was previously?
 
 tnx in advance
 
 
 
 
 73
 de
 todd
 WB2ZAB
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?

2008-05-09 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Hello Jon,

My apology for a slow response, waging war with the grass all day!

To terminate the radiating part of the coax I use a high impedance trap 
whose inductance is a length of the incoming feeder wound as a solenoid, 
with the turns spaced slightly. To determine the capacitance required to 
resonate the coil formed by the outer of the coiled coax I use an air 
variable capacitor, then replace it with a length of open ended RG-213 as 
the capacitor. The important thing to note here is that the capacitor made 
using coax must not be connected as an open ended stub, which could upset 
the trap. I would also suggest that relying on stray capacitance to resonate 
a trap is a questionable approach.


During my first attempt I used a large quantity of cores over the coax which 
did not work well because the choking impedance was too low, in fact I blew 
some!


With this method of feed it also becomes a relatively simple task to feed a 
top loaded T antennas from ground level without the use of a high impedance 
matching network, placing the current maximum at the top.


For multiband use I had considered using Close Coupled Resonators in a fixed 
installation, but not for something to be rolled up.


Thank you for the link to LA1IC's antenna, much appreciated.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Jon K Hellan LA4RT wrote on Friday, May 09, 2008 1:28 PM


How do you terminate the radiating part of the coax? I've tried antennas
based on this principle both on HF and 2m. On HF, I tried the no
counterpoise antenna by M3KXZ with very disappointing results. On VHF,
I've had good results with the coax antenna by LA1IC described (in
Norwegian!) at http://la2t.org/teknikk/vertikal2m.html.

Choking off the radiating part of the coax is challenging, because we're
trying to choke a voltage node. I was told that the coil which
terminates the radiating part of the coax on the 2m antenna is chosen to
resonate as a parallell trap at 2m with its stray capcitance. On the HF
antenna, I just wrapped the feeder around a large toroid 10-15 times,
and that did not work well.

My 2m antenna needs are modest, so take this with a grain of salt.

73
LA4RT Jon


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[Elecraft] K3: can't send RTTY from keyer when SPLIT

2008-05-09 Thread LY2IJ
Hi,

Should be something stupid - worked FB yesterday, no changes since then.

Works FB from A and from B, nothing happens when split is activated.
All bands.

Only thing different from yeste4rday -started on new band RTTY (12m - no
QSO with K3 there before)  - had to change to FSK-D.

Firmware - latest.

GL
Arunas/ LY2ij / K3 s/n 5oo

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[Elecraft] While we're still (somewhat) on the subject of bad software...

2008-05-09 Thread S Sacco
For you folks running AMD CPUs and Windows XP, here's an article from InfoWorld:

XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/09/XP-SP3-cripples-some-PCs-with-endless-reboots_1.html?source=NLC-DAILYcgd=2008-05-09


73,
Steve NN4X
EL98jh
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[Elecraft] uptodate k3 menu list

2008-05-09 Thread stephen pearce
Hi
Is there upto date documentation on what is in the k3 menus
.. I cannot find the option which allows cw transmission from within
ssb mode .. which would be quite useful for our cw improvers net where
we switch back and forward from phone to cw all the time ...
there must be other additions tot he k3 menus in the recent firmware
releases also

Tnx
zl1any
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Whangarei
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Re: [Elecraft] uptodate k3 menu list

2008-05-09 Thread Bob Cunnings
The cw keying in ssb modes feature is documented in the firmware
release notes at:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

including instructions for controlling the feature via the CONFIG:CW
WGHT  menu.

Look in the section for release MCU 1.87 / DSP 1.69.

Bob NW8L

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM, stephen pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi
 Is there upto date documentation on what is in the k3 menus
 .. I cannot find the option which allows cw transmission from within
 ssb mode .. which would be quite useful for our cw improvers net where
 we switch back and forward from phone to cw all the time ...
 there must be other additions tot he k3 menus in the recent firmware
 releases also

 Tnx
 zl1any
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[Elecraft] K3: One year and many thanks

2008-05-09 Thread WA4KBD

Next week is an anniversary of sorts.  It will have been a year since I first
put my hands on a K3 at Dayton.  N6KR was pretty busy at the Elecraft booth
but I did have an opportunity to tell Wayne that I considered the K3 a
risk-free investment. Only a couple of weeks prior, on May 5, 2007, I had
given Elecraft my 50 percent deposit.

I haven't been disappointed.  This past year has produced some of the best
fun I've ever had in 46 years on the air.  The Elecraft reflector, for one
thing, has been a total riot!  I'll clamber out of bed before the break of
day to read what has become a global seance on everything from the K3 to the
nuances of radio station grounding.  I'll laugh.  I'll wince. I'll shake my
head in amazement at the level of expertise that's so apparent in many
posts.  Beyond that, the colorful tapestry of personality and opinion,
unfolding as it does in real time, highlights the best that ham radio and
the Internet have to offer.  Most of the time :)

For me, the K3 represents a kind of hardware platform upon which the
envelope of HF performance / features can be explored and expanded via
software.  Being even a small part of the dynamic, collaborative evolution
of the K3 is at least half the fun.  The other half arises from the sheer
pleasure of operating a radio at the top of the competitive heap.  The
conduit for all this enjoyment is the corporate culture at Elecraft -
sometimes referred to as The Mojo - which allows each of us to feel as
though we are somehow part of the company.  That's leadership, pure and
simple, and I'm grateful for it.  The usual disclaimers apply.

The personality, feel and capabilities of the K3 will mature over time, but
hopefully it will be a long while before this radio is considered a finished
product.  Meanwhile, I'm just having way too much fun.

Hope to see ya'll in Dayton. And many thanks.

73,
Bill, WA4KBD
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[Elecraft] coaxial dipole (was: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?)

2008-05-09 Thread Brian Lloyd
To make a coaxial dipole strip the external insulation from the end of  
your coax to a length about 10% longer than 1/4 wave. This leaves just  
shield (braid), center dielectric, and center conductor.


push back a bit of the braid so it increases in diameter. Fold it back  
over itself and carefully stretch it backward until it covers the  
remaining external insulation leaving just the center conductor and  
center dielectric exposed. The folded-back braid should now form a  
cylinder over the coax. Trim this braid until it is 1/4 wave long.  
Trim the center conductor until it is also 1/4 wave long.


You now have a dipole that is end-fed. The folded-back braid functions  
as both radiator and 1/4-wave stub to cancel the currents on the  
shield of the coax. For 2M I put this whole thing in a piece of PVC  
pipe and shoot in some foam insulation to keep things in place. It  
works just peachy.


Caveat: you may find that turning the braid inside-out to make the  
outer element to be a real challenge. You can cheat by cutting the  
braid off, compressing it so it slips over the outside of the coax,  
and then reattaching it to the shield of the coax with solder. To be  
honest, that is what I usually do. ;-)


Brian Lloyd
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brian AT gbmontessori DOT com  Roseville, CA 95661
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[Elecraft] K2 Alignment Problem Still Unsolved...

2008-05-09 Thread Jay
Still trying to align the filters on my K2, but was getting no 
indication the Frequency Counter Probe Assembly was working.  So I 
ordered a new and and still nothing (when touching the side of C22, when 
doing Cal Fctr or Cal Fil).  Removed the DSP filter, AF filter and 
Control Board.  Cleaned and checked all contacts.  Still nothing.  Rig 
works fine on CW and SSB at 100 watts, but the filters can't be 
changed.  Is there some menu setting I'm missing that allows the Freq 
Counter to work?  Any ideas where I might check next?  Thanks in 
advanceJay,  W6JDB

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[Elecraft] [OT] Rework Eliminator(TM) App Note #5 - IMA: When Not to Apply External Bias

2008-05-09 Thread Gary Hvizdak
Please pardon the OT bandwidth.  Although, even if you don't have our K2
Internal Mic Adaptor, you still might find this latest app note informative.
It addresses configuring the jumpers, in the context of possibly *DAMAGING*
a dynamic microphone by mistakenly applying external bias.

See http://www.unpcbs.com/notes/#note-5 for details.

Our thanks to Don Wilhelm (W3FPR) and Brian Lloyd (WB6RQN) for their
contributions to this article.

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RE: [Elecraft] coaxial dipole (was: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?)

2008-05-09 Thread Dale Putnam

And if you accomplish the very accurate building instructions from Brian, 
twice, and feed it as a dipole, but with a half wave wire fed in the middle, 
and add a quarter wave wire on each end, but make the joining very sturdy, you 
now have a very good, but low profile gain antenna on ?? what band were we 
building this for? I have mine on 20. It is fed with open wire and works just 
fine on 80 thru 20. 
  More details or if you want I will build one for you for cost. --... 
...--Dale - WC7S in Wy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 
Fri, 9 May 2008 14:53:55 -0700 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: 
[Elecraft] coaxial dipole (was: What do you have in your portable/travel kit?) 
 To make a coaxial dipole strip the external insulation from the end of  your 
coax to a length about 10% longer than 1/4 wave. This leaves just  shield 
(braid), center dielectric, and center conductor.  push back a bit of the 
braid so it increases in diameter. Fold it back  over itself and carefully 
stretch it backward until it covers the  remaining external insulation leaving 
just the center conductor and  center dielectric exposed. The folded-back 
braid should now form a  cylinder over the coax. Trim this braid until it is 
1/4 wave long.  Trim the center conductor until it is also 1/4 wave long.  
You now have a dipole that is end-fed. The folded-back braid functions  as 
both radiator and 1/4-wave stub to cancel the currents on the  shield of the 
coax. For 2M I put this whole thing in a piece of PVC  pipe and shoot in some 
foam insulation to keep things in place. It  works just peachy.  Caveat: you 
may find that turning the braid inside-out to make the  outer element to be a 
real challenge. You can cheat by cutting the  braid off, compressing it so it 
slips over the outside of the coax,  and then reattaching it to the shield of 
the coax with solder. To be  honest, that is what I usually do. ;-)  Brian 
Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl brian AT 
gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) 
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[Elecraft] Katiegram

2008-05-09 Thread wa3fae

I received my Katiegram.

Ordered 29 Dec 2007
Katiegram 9 May 2008

Forrest WA3FAE
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Re: [Elecraft] Katiegram

2008-05-09 Thread wa3fae

Ah, slip of the fingers, 

Ordered 19 Dec 2007.

Sorry.

Forrest WA3FAE 


wa3fae wrote:
 
 I received my Katiegram.
 
 Ordered 29 Dec 2007
 Katiegram 9 May 2008
 
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[Elecraft] [K2] SN6281 0n the air

2008-05-09 Thread AJSOENKE
I'm pleased to announce that the construction of  K2 SN 6281 has been 
successfully completed by the students of the Dos Pueblos  Amateur Radio Club ( 
Dos 
Pueblos High School, Goleta, CA) with the new Call Sign  of KI6PRK, and is now 
on the air. The newly completed rig is a K2/10 with KAT2,  KIO2, KSB2 and 
KDSP2 installed.  No particular difficulty in building, one  toroid (K1 on 
KAT2) 
needed to be rewound. After comparing it to the drawing it  was found to be a 
mirror image. As a comment, were this a simple inductor or  transformer, it 
wouldn't have mattered. But, as the pickup point for the SWR  bridge, the 
mirroring of the windings causes the single turn pickup loop to work  in 
reverse - 
swapping the apparent Forward and Reverse currents. As I told my  students when 
they found this, if the Elecraft manual says 'exactly like the  drawing' they 
mean it!  We have a VE session this Saturday - getting ready  for FD. 

73  de WA6VNN, Al 
Trustee of KI6PRK  




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[Elecraft] Re: ERR VCO Problem Activity Log

2008-05-09 Thread Dick Roth KA1OZ

Greg wrote:

hahahaha... No problem Dick.  Good night.

Sounds like you may be OK now.  Start using your new rig but let us know 
if the power problem creeps back in.


73
Greg
AB7R

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To: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Greg wrote:
Don made a good point.  When you assembled the power pole, did you 
make sure
when inserting the pins that you heard a distinct click?  If not, 
they may

not be completly seated.  Try pushing them in more to see if they click.

Greg


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From: Dick Roth KA1OZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:55 PM
To: Greg
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ERR VCO Problem Activity Log


Greg wrote:

So Dick...what is it doing now?  When the VCO CAL went slowly and the
speeding up some toward the end is correct behavior.

Are you hearing normal signals now?  Have you done the REF CAL and 
TX Gain

CAL?

Greg


{snip}

I successfully ran the REF CAL and TX Gain last night while the radio
was in its glory.  Now if I can only turn it on and off when I want
to...(pardon the whine).

What else can I do to provide hints of the radio's health?




--
73,
Dick ka1oz
Middleborough, MA

K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
Titan-DX (to come)


I started with DC.  APP connectors are firm in their sockets and no 
wiggling causes outages.  When I installed the front panel, I was 
keenly aware from list traffic that great care had to be taken during 
this process.  I looked at each connecting point of each connector.  
I've also given the baby therapeutic taps to see if anything was loose.


If you guys don't mind...its 2317 here and I rise at 0500 to pay the 
mortgage, so I'll follow up tomorrow.


ttfn 

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73,
Dick ka1oz
Middleborough, MA

K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
Titan-DX (to come)


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Well I still have the turn on problem.  After I read what I sent you 
last, I thought better of taking the front panel connections for 
granted, so after I got home from work tonight I removed the front panel 
and exercised the various connections and put everything back together.


It wouldn't turn on.  So I did some random gefinger poken and just as 
randomly the radio turned on.


Let me review what I know about this nuisance:

1. When pushing the Power button, I hear a small relay click and my 
power supply indicates that the rig is drawing about an amp.


2. However, no panel leds light and there is nothing on the LCD display.

3. No tapping, nudging, or any other therapeutic man handling of any 
parts appears to improve the situation.


4. And then with a random push of the Power button...voila, the radio 
comes to life.


5. I reloaded the firmware code a couple of times at least.  I'm using 
the KUSB adapter from Elecraft and it is running the latest driver from 
Prolific.


I don't know what else to mention, but I'm afraid to turn the rig off 
because I'm afraid I'll never be able to turn it on again!


ttfn 
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73,
Dick ka1oz
Middleborough, MA

K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
Titan-DX (to come)
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[Elecraft] KPA3 - Thanks Elecraft

2008-05-09 Thread WA6OCP

I was determined to remain a steadfast QRP'er, but the current conditions
finally took their toll. so I ordered a KPA3.

Received it today and installed it always wondering what I would screw up. 
We OF's (Old Farts) have a habit of doing that.  Everything went well, and
it works!

Thanks Elecraft for a great product and great service.

Once I get past my monthly VE session tomorrow, and Mother's Day, I will get
a chance to throw some photons out into the ether.

73, Neal WA6OCP
K3 sn 305
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: ERR VCO Problem Activity Log

2008-05-09 Thread Jim Miller
Is the power switch itself flakey?   73, Jim

- Original Message - 
From: Dick Roth KA1OZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft Reflector
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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: ERR VCO Problem Activity Log


 Greg wrote:
  hahahaha... No problem Dick.  Good night.
 
  Sounds like you may be OK now.  Start using your new rig but let us know
  if the power problem creeps back in.
 
  73
  Greg
  AB7R
 
  - Original Message - From: Dick Roth KA1OZ
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:20 PM
  Subject: Re: ERR VCO Problem Activity Log
 
 
  Greg wrote:
  Don made a good point.  When you assembled the power pole, did you
  make sure
  when inserting the pins that you heard a distinct click?  If not,
  they may
  not be completly seated.  Try pushing them in more to see if they
click.
 
  Greg
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Dick Roth KA1OZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:55 PM
  To: Greg
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: ERR VCO Problem Activity Log
 
 
  Greg wrote:
  So Dick...what is it doing now?  When the VCO CAL went slowly and the
  speeding up some toward the end is correct behavior.
 
  Are you hearing normal signals now?  Have you done the REF CAL and
  TX Gain
  CAL?
 
  Greg
 
  {snip}
 
  I successfully ran the REF CAL and TX Gain last night while the radio
  was in its glory.  Now if I can only turn it on and off when I want
  to...(pardon the whine).
 
  What else can I do to provide hints of the radio's health?
 
 
 
 
  -- 
  73,
  Dick ka1oz
  Middleborough, MA
 
  K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
  Titan-DX (to come)
 
 
  I started with DC.  APP connectors are firm in their sockets and no
  wiggling causes outages.  When I installed the front panel, I was
  keenly aware from list traffic that great care had to be taken during
  this process.  I looked at each connecting point of each connector.
  I've also given the baby therapeutic taps to see if anything was
loose.
 
  If you guys don't mind...its 2317 here and I rise at 0500 to pay the
  mortgage, so I'll follow up tomorrow.
 
  ttfn 
 
  -- 
  73,
  Dick ka1oz
  Middleborough, MA
 
  K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
  Titan-DX (to come)
 
 
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  Release Date: 5/7/2008 5:23 PM
 
 
 
 
 Well I still have the turn on problem.  After I read what I sent you
 last, I thought better of taking the front panel connections for
 granted, so after I got home from work tonight I removed the front panel
 and exercised the various connections and put everything back together.

 It wouldn't turn on.  So I did some random gefinger poken and just as
 randomly the radio turned on.

 Let me review what I know about this nuisance:

 1. When pushing the Power button, I hear a small relay click and my
 power supply indicates that the rig is drawing about an amp.

 2. However, no panel leds light and there is nothing on the LCD display.

 3. No tapping, nudging, or any other therapeutic man handling of any
 parts appears to improve the situation.

 4. And then with a random push of the Power button...voila, the radio
 comes to life.

 5. I reloaded the firmware code a couple of times at least.  I'm using
 the KUSB adapter from Elecraft and it is running the latest driver from
 Prolific.

 I don't know what else to mention, but I'm afraid to turn the rig off
 because I'm afraid I'll never be able to turn it on again!

 ttfn 
 -- 
 73,
 Dick ka1oz
 Middleborough, MA

 K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
 Titan-DX (to come)
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: ERR VCO Problem Activity Log

2008-05-09 Thread Dick Roth KA1OZ

Jim Miller wrote:

Is the power switch itself flakey?   73, Jim


{snip}




It doesn't appear to be flaky.  Each an every time I press it, there is 
a change of state of a relay somewhere in the rig, and each and every 
time I press it, the power supply shows a draw of an amp or so.  Its 
just that each and every time I press the button the rig may or may not 
turn on.


--
73,
Dick ka1oz
Middleborough, MA

K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
Titan-DX (to come)
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[Elecraft] K3 - A complete BAND SWITCHING scheme using 33 memories

2008-05-09 Thread KM5Q
I tried using the quick memories 0-9 to store band data, modes,  
filters, and other parameters (Douglas Zweibel's message of March 10).  
Then I thought about how most bands are split into CW and phone sub- 
bands that need separate mode and filter settings. So, I took it a  
step further. I offer this as a universal band management scheme.


I assigned each CW and phone band to a separate memory number,  
starting with memory 10. These are selected by VFO A (with the help of  
text labels). I set VFO A to the bottom of the (CW or phone) sub-band,  
and VFO B to the top of that sub-band. That enables band scanning  
(Manual p. 37). And of course, I set modes and filters appropriately.


I labeled each memory like this, starting with #10:

10.  160C   -- the 160m CW portion
11.  160S   -- the 160m (SSB) phone portion
12.   80 C
13.   80 S
14.   *60  1  -- on 60m, the last digit is the channel number (1-5)
15.   *60  2The *asterisk sets up channel-hop scanning  
(Manual p.37)

(not yet enabled in firmware)
... etc.,
ending with:
33. 6  S   -- the 6m phone band

Quick memories M1-M4 supplement these entries PER-BAND. For 20-10m, I  
set the DX beacon frequencies to M4. M1-M3 are open for quick entries,  
nets, etc.


This set-up took me about an hour, but it's good learning practice! I  
now have instant reference to ALL my band boundaries, right on my K3  
screen.


So, how does it play? Tap MV and the big knob becomes a super band  
switch (without detents). You want speed? Duplicate just your favorite  
bands onto any quick memories 0-9. Memories 10-33 remain, keeping ALL  
the bands stored for you. If (when) you tap VM by mistake and  
override a quick memory (!) you can find it again, with all your  
settings, and transfer it back to the quick memory.


2. To hop bands with instant return to the same frequency, don't  
forget the original BAND switch!


56 non-quick memories remain available. I set one for CB (11m USA  
Citizen's Band) -- Why not? I can scan it to check for 10m skip. I can  
use others for SWL bands or favorite broadcast stations (one on VFO A  
and another on VFO B).


Now I fully enjoy the navigation capability of the K3.

Windy KM5Q
Santa Fe, NM
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