Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Jim Brown

On Sun,12/21/2014 11:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A 
supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels 
doing it during the summer. 


Clarification:  For the 2-radio contesting system, I use two 6V 210AH 
Golf Cart Batteries in series. For a single radio setup, I used a single 
12V battery of the biggest that Costco sells, about 80 AH.


Solar is useless for me during the winter because I'm surrounded by VERY 
tall redwoods, whose shadows limit my sunlight at panels to a few hours 
per day during the winter and 6 hours during the summer. Those with more 
hospitable light exposure may be able to make greater use or szolar 
power. :)


I run all the 12V gear from this system -- K3, P3, preamps for 
Beverages, switching for antennas, etc.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Walter C. Ames
 On Dec 22, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Richard Fjeld rpfj...@embarqmail.com wrote:
 
 Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?
 
 Dick, n0ce


In almost every case possible.  Uninterrupted communications is a very 
important concept IMHO.

A trick (or maybe not) that I have recently used to address the charging issue, 
is to use a ‘Solar Charge Controller’, of the appropriate amperage rating, of 
course.  These devices have a solar input (suitable for a Linear type power 
supply.  Not quite sure how it would behave connected to a switcher), a Battery 
Interconnect, and Load out.  Many devices include charging control circuits 
that you can match to your batteries fairly well, and a Low Voltage Disconnect 
(LVD) to keep your batteries from over discharging.

I have this setup on my K3 and it works great.  I have the K3’s Low Voltage 
warning set to .3v above LVD cut-out (on the charge controller).  This lets me 
know when the batteries are close to the bottom.  This is a great feature that 
helps you with not destroying your batteries.

Walter
K3WCA

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit audio has (unwanted) echo effect

2014-12-22 Thread Gary - NC3Z
Jim, I have also had these reports when I tried to use a dynamic mic 
such as a EV664A and Heil PR22, it gets pronounced at the mic gain and 
compressor is turned up. I don't think there is any setting you turned 
on. Because of this I have gone back to electret mics. Will be watching 
to see what sort of responses you may get back.


Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org

On 12/21/2014 4:37 PM, Jim Kutsch, KY2D wrote:

AS of a few days ago I started getting reports of poor transmit audio from
my KX3. Today I had time for more extensive tests with several stations.
According to these reports, the transmit audio sounds like I'm in an echo
chamber or there is a reverb in the audio path. Lower power, lower mic gain,
and 0 compression does not eliminate the effect.



Any suggestions? Might I have accidentally turned something on in the menus
to cause this condition? It's the same ElectroVoice RE15 mic I've been using
for months. The only (intentional) recent changes were installing the recent
betas.

Thanks for any thoughts.



73, Jim, KY2D





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Re: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10

2014-12-22 Thread Bruce Gab
Very cool.  Never ran QRP, but I have never run over 100 w; for antennas, I
have never had anything but a vertical or wire antenna.  It is a great
feeling bust'n a pile-up when you're a little pistol.

Just got my K3 a couple of weeks ago after being QRT for about 4 years; the
rig is an absolute joy!  For an antenna I run an Inverted-L 120 ft long, up
30 ft at each end.

Making up for lost time; busted S01WS pile-up yesterday and J28NC this
morning.  Two new ones for me.

73 de Bruce, N7TY
White Plains, MD

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KF0QS
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 00:00
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10

Today, there was a pileup on 9M6XRO (East Malaysia) on 10 meters.  Using my
K2 at 5 watts (my antenna was a Cushcraft A3S at about 24 ft in elevation) I
got through the pileup on about my third call.  What a surprise!

It's the first time I've broken through a pileup on QRP.  What fun!!

Thanks for reading.

73 de Bernie, KF0QS



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[Elecraft] Looking for a used KX3

2014-12-22 Thread Frank Krozel
Folks, I have a friend that is looking for a KX3 / KXAT3 (internal tuner) and 
will be dropping his Signal One CX7 off this week to me.
I have several of the Signal One CX-7’s so it will be a fun project to evaluate 
his CX-7.

If you are interested in this for a KX3 let me know off-line.

Sincerely,  Frank Krozel t: 1-630-924-1600 kg9kfr...@gmail.com 
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Re: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10

2014-12-22 Thread Jim Allen
Congratulations!  It is very exhilarating, isn't it?

QRP DXing isn't always easy, or successful, of course.  I've been running QRP 
mostly for the last year, with a rather modest dipole at ~32' for an antenna.  
Every once in awhile, you get through on one or two, or a few calls.  Sometimes 
you get through but after waiting your turn.  Sometimes the pile up is so 
fierce you never get through before you give up and take your business 
elsewhere, or he does.  But, if the DX has a decent signal here, and the pile 
is not too large, you can usually get in there, with patience

From what I recall of my C-line/L-4B/giant quad days, it was gratifying to get 
yourself in the log but you expected to, and very quickly too.  This is 
different, a triumph of a different sort, maybe operating prowess is 
substituting for raw ERP or something, that puts a smile on your face, a song 
in your heart, and a spring in your step!

The Old Timer often taught that the secret to working DX is when you hear 'em, 
call 'em!  It's just that simple.

73 de W6OGC Jim Allen

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 On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:59 PM, Bernie KF0QS ham...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
 
 Today, there was a pileup on 9M6XRO (East Malaysia) on 10 meters.  Using my
 K2 at 5 watts (my antenna was a Cushcraft A3S at about 24 ft in elevation) I
 got through the pileup on about my third call.  What a surprise!
 
 It's the first time I've broken through a pileup on QRP.  What fun!!
 
 Thanks for reading.
 
 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem

2014-12-22 Thread Sam Morgan
My K3-KAT500-KPA500 has been working fine for 5 weeks now. (added the 
KPA500 Nov. 10, 2014)



Last night I had to move some cables around with in the rats nest behind 
my K3. Unrelated cables, so I thought, they were for the VGA output for 
the P3 to add a data switch before the external monitor. After the move 
everything was still working just as it should. I shut down for the night.


When I turned everything on this morning the K-Line has started acting 
strange.


The K3 no longer flashes the KPA500 line across the VFO B window.

I have CONFIG: PWR SET = Per Band, *BUT* the K3 no longer has 2 power 
settings (one for KPA500 in op and one for KPA500 in stby)

However the KPA500 *does* change bands with the K3's change of Bands.


The K3 does flash the KAT500 line in the VFO B window.
The KAT500 does change antennas as related to the band it is on.
The KAT500 no longer knows I have moved the K3's frequency within a 
band, so no longer (pretunes) to that new frequency.

and Yes CONFIG: KAT3 shows KAT500y
The KAT500 tunes fine when it is in AUTO and sees rf.

I even went back to a previously saved K3 configuration.
I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable.

To summarize, I have lose the safety feature of the K3 knowing it has a 
KPA500 so it doesn't have 2 drive levels, and the KAT500 no longer 
pretunes to a new frequency when the K3 is moved to the new frequency 
within the same band.


Yet it seems some parts of the K-Line are still communicating with each 
other.


Any suggestions appreciated.

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem

2014-12-22 Thread Sam Morgan

 I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable.
make that:

I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KPA500 Cable.

On 12/22/2014 8:24 AM, Sam Morgan wrote:

My K3-KAT500-KPA500 has been working fine for 5 weeks now. (added the
KPA500 Nov. 10, 2014)


Last night I had to move some cables around with in the rats nest behind
my K3. Unrelated cables, so I thought, they were for the VGA output for
the P3 to add a data switch before the external monitor. After the move
everything was still working just as it should. I shut down for the night.

When I turned everything on this morning the K-Line has started acting
strange.

The K3 no longer flashes the KPA500 line across the VFO B window.

I have CONFIG: PWR SET = Per Band, *BUT* the K3 no longer has 2 power
settings (one for KPA500 in op and one for KPA500 in stby)
However the KPA500 *does* change bands with the K3's change of Bands.


The K3 does flash the KAT500 line in the VFO B window.
The KAT500 does change antennas as related to the band it is on.
The KAT500 no longer knows I have moved the K3's frequency within a
band, so no longer (pretunes) to that new frequency.
and Yes CONFIG: KAT3 shows KAT500y
The KAT500 tunes fine when it is in AUTO and sees rf.

I even went back to a previously saved K3 configuration.
I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable.

To summarize, I have lose the safety feature of the K3 knowing it has a
KPA500 so it doesn't have 2 drive levels, and the KAT500 no longer
pretunes to a new frequency when the K3 is moved to the new frequency
within the same band.

Yet it seems some parts of the K-Line are still communicating with each
other.

Any suggestions appreciated.



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K5OAI
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem

2014-12-22 Thread David Ahrendts
Sam, I run the KX3 line: KX3 to a KXPA100 to an Ameritron ALS-600 to the 
KAT500. Little lines all over the place, and hi-power LMR-type coax out of the 
linear. Cardinal rule, I am told, is to avoid those high power RF coax cables 
as much as possible in proximity. For instance, never drape a control cable or 
a display cable across the coax. You’ve probably tried all of this, but my two 
cents.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA

 On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:24 AM, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My K3-KAT500-KPA500 has been working fine for 5 weeks now. (added the KPA500 
 Nov. 10, 2014)
 
 
 Last night I had to move some cables around with in the rats nest behind my 
 K3. Unrelated cables, so I thought, they were for the VGA output for the P3 
 to add a data switch before the external monitor. After the move everything 
 was still working just as it should. I shut down for the night.
 
 When I turned everything on this morning the K-Line has started acting 
 strange.
 
 The K3 no longer flashes the KPA500 line across the VFO B window.
 
 I have CONFIG: PWR SET = Per Band, *BUT* the K3 no longer has 2 power 
 settings (one for KPA500 in op and one for KPA500 in stby)
 However the KPA500 *does* change bands with the K3's change of Bands.
 
 
 The K3 does flash the KAT500 line in the VFO B window.
 The KAT500 does change antennas as related to the band it is on.
 The KAT500 no longer knows I have moved the K3's frequency within a band, so 
 no longer (pretunes) to that new frequency.
 and Yes CONFIG: KAT3 shows KAT500y
 The KAT500 tunes fine when it is in AUTO and sees rf.
 
 I even went back to a previously saved K3 configuration.
 I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable.
 
 To summarize, I have lose the safety feature of the K3 knowing it has a 
 KPA500 so it doesn't have 2 drive levels, and the KAT500 no longer pretunes 
 to a new frequency when the K3 is moved to the new frequency within the same 
 band.
 
 Yet it seems some parts of the K-Line are still communicating with each other.
 
 Any suggestions appreciated.
 
 -- 
 God Bless,
 Sam Morgan
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem

2014-12-22 Thread Jack Brindle
Sam;

It sounds like the Auxbus is no longer connected from the KPA to the KAT/ K3. 
Make sure the 15 pin connector is solidly connected on both sides at both the 
KPA and the KAT. Also, make sure no pins in that cable are bent.

- JackB, W6FB

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 On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable.
 make that:
 
 I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KPA500 Cable.
 
 On 12/22/2014 8:24 AM, Sam Morgan wrote:
 My K3-KAT500-KPA500 has been working fine for 5 weeks now. (added the
 KPA500 Nov. 10, 2014)
 
 
 Last night I had to move some cables around with in the rats nest behind
 my K3. Unrelated cables, so I thought, they were for the VGA output for
 the P3 to add a data switch before the external monitor. After the move
 everything was still working just as it should. I shut down for the night.
 
 When I turned everything on this morning the K-Line has started acting
 strange.
 
 The K3 no longer flashes the KPA500 line across the VFO B window.
 
 I have CONFIG: PWR SET = Per Band, *BUT* the K3 no longer has 2 power
 settings (one for KPA500 in op and one for KPA500 in stby)
 However the KPA500 *does* change bands with the K3's change of Bands.
 
 
 The K3 does flash the KAT500 line in the VFO B window.
 The KAT500 does change antennas as related to the band it is on.
 The KAT500 no longer knows I have moved the K3's frequency within a
 band, so no longer (pretunes) to that new frequency.
 and Yes CONFIG: KAT3 shows KAT500y
 The KAT500 tunes fine when it is in AUTO and sees rf.
 
 I even went back to a previously saved K3 configuration.
 I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable.
 
 To summarize, I have lose the safety feature of the K3 knowing it has a
 KPA500 so it doesn't have 2 drive levels, and the KAT500 no longer
 pretunes to a new frequency when the K3 is moved to the new frequency
 within the same band.
 
 Yet it seems some parts of the K-Line are still communicating with each
 other.
 
 Any suggestions appreciated.
 
 -- 
 GB  73
 K5OAI
 Sam Morgan
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Bill Frantz
There are some cautions in floating a battery with a mains power 
supply. For example, the ProAudio Engineering PAE-Kx33 4A 
switching power supply I am using with my KX3 specifically says 
not to use the power supply for directly charging batteries, and 
voids the warranty if you do.


I had a prototype battery charge controller I was designing let 
the magic smoke out when the input power dropped and the battery 
sent current backwards through the circuit. The tantalum cap was 
actually in flame. (A diode was part of the fix.)


Like Jim, I use a solar charge controller 
http://www.cirkits.com/scc3/ to charge the batteries which run 
my K3 station.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 12/22/14 at 11:31 PM, rpfj...@embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) wrote:


Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?

Dick, n0ce


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem

2014-12-22 Thread Sam Morgan
That was my thought Jack. I just re re checked, no bent pins, and both 
ends firmly reseated. no joy :-(


On 12/22/2014 8:43 AM, Jack Brindle wrote:

Sam;

It sounds like the Auxbus is no longer connected from the KPA to the
KAT/ K3. Make sure the 15 pin connector is solidly connected on both
sides at both the KPA and the KAT. Also, make sure no pins in that
cable are bent.

- JackB, W6FB





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com writes:

 I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A
 supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels
 doing it during the summer.

What do you do about the voltage being 12.5ish instead of 13.8?  Run the
K3s at reduced power (because of the amps you are doing anyway)?  Don't
worry about extra IMD?  Use a DC-DC converter to get 13.8V?
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem

2014-12-22 Thread Jack Brindle
The KPA is still set for RADIO= K3, right? Shortly after power up, the KPA will 
send its on state to the K3 using the Auxbus, but only if it is told the radio 
is a K3. The symptom is that this is not being received by the K3. The logical 
conclusion is that something is blocking it. Nothing messed up on pin 2 of the 
AUX cable, right?

I don't remember if the K3 must be told about the KPA (don't think so, but that 
would have been long ago...), but if so make sure of that setting.

I'll research this a bit more when I get back to my info system, maybe an 
hour...

73,
JackB, W6FB

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That was my thought Jack. I just re re checked, no bent pins, and both ends 
 firmly reseated. no joy :-(
 
 On 12/22/2014 8:43 AM, Jack Brindle wrote:
 Sam;
 
 It sounds like the Auxbus is no longer connected from the KPA to the
 KAT/ K3. Make sure the 15 pin connector is solidly connected on both
 sides at both the KPA and the KAT. Also, make sure no pins in that
 cable are bent.
 
 - JackB, W6FB
 
 
 
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 K5OAI
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[Elecraft] KX3 CW Weighting

2014-12-22 Thread Dennis Gregory
After receiving a 459 report during a CW contact this week, it occurred to me 
that I had never actually listened to the transmitted CW signal from my KX3. 
Doing so, I discovered the CW weighting was set heavy by my ears (1.25), quite 
a bit different than what the CW sidetone represented, and possibly 
contributing to the readability report. I reset the weighting to 1.05 and the 
CW output now sounds exactly like the sidetone spacing. For those KX3 drivers 
out there, you may want to either listen to your transmitted signal, or simply 
trust my assessment and set menu CW WGHT to 1.05. Dennis - WU6X 
   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Matt Zilmer
The SCC3 is in use here too.  The basic 20 Amp unit can be scaled up
to higher rated amperage by adding additional FETs.  The instructions
for this are included.

73,
matt
W6NIA


On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:49:49 -0800, you wrote:

There are some cautions in floating a battery with a mains power 
supply. For example, the ProAudio Engineering PAE-Kx33 4A 
switching power supply I am using with my KX3 specifically says 
not to use the power supply for directly charging batteries, and 
voids the warranty if you do.

I had a prototype battery charge controller I was designing let 
the magic smoke out when the input power dropped and the battery 
sent current backwards through the circuit. The tantalum cap was 
actually in flame. (A diode was part of the fix.)

Like Jim, I use a solar charge controller 
http://www.cirkits.com/scc3/ to charge the batteries which run 
my K3 station.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 12/22/14 at 11:31 PM, rpfj...@embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) wrote:

Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?

Dick, n0ce

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem

2014-12-22 Thread Sam Morgan

The only cables changed during my clean up were:
I removed the VGA cable from the P3 (the one that went to the external 
monitor)


I then took that end that had gone into the rear of the P3, and inserted 
it into a 4 way switchbox.


I then added a new VGA cable from the switchbox to the rear of the P3

==
at no time were any other cables unseated, removed, replaced, or 
otherwise messed with. (other than being lifted so the vga cable could 
be untangled from them if needed during the change over of the VGA P3 
cable)


On 12/22/2014 9:35 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

I'd try swapping the 15-pin cables between K3 and KAT500 and KAT500 to
KPA500 if there's any possibility you swapped them in your cleanup effort.

If you could possibly  have swapped in an SVGA cable, I'd do some ohmmeter
checking to see that all the cable pins are connected straight thru and not
connected to one another.

73 de Dick, K6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Jim Brown

On Mon,12/22/2014 7:05 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:

Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com writes:


I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A
supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels
doing it during the summer.

What do you do about the voltage being 12.5ish instead of 13.8?  Run the
K3s at reduced power (because of the amps you are doing anyway)?  Don't
worry about extra IMD?  Use a DC-DC converter to get 13.8V?


Most of my contesting is done either at legal limit, with the K3s 
driving an amp or at QRP. For NAQP, of course, i run 100W. Even at 100W 
and 12.5V the K3 is pretty clean, and at the 40-50W level it takes to 
drive my Ten Tec Titans, even cleaner. The measurements in the link 
below were taken with my usual power setup.


k9yc.com/P3_SpectrumMeasurements.pdf

Someone mentioned using a solar charge controller. I'm using a GV MPPT 
charge controller between my solar panels and the battery. It's RF 
quiet. Most charge controllers make RF noise. GV makes several models 
for different battery types, voltages, and current ratings. They are 
available here. The company also seems to be a good place to buy Li 
batteries.


http://www.batteryspace.com/140w-10a-solar-charge-controller-with-mppt-for-lithium-batteries.aspx

73, Jim K9YC

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem

2014-12-22 Thread Sam Morgan

Yes RADIO is still set for K3.

Last night I had never even touched the cable that went between the 
KPA500 and the KAT500. Unless Murphy got in here while I was sleeping 
and broke a wire inside the cable that hadn't been touched...


yea I know stranger things than that have happened b4, hi hi.

On 12/22/2014 10:01 AM, Jack Brindle wrote:

The KPA is still set for RADIO= K3, right? Shortly after power up,
the KPA will send its on state to the K3 using the Auxbus, but only
if it is told the radio is a K3. The symptom is that this is not
being received by the K3. The logical conclusion is that something is
blocking it. Nothing messed up on pin 2 of the AUX cable, right?

I don't remember if the K3 must be told about the KPA (don't think
so, but that would have been long ago...), but if so make sure of
that setting.

I'll research this a bit more when I get back to my info system,
maybe an hour...

73, JackB, W6FB


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[Elecraft] Can't stop the emails hi hi

2014-12-22 Thread Scott Shepard
Hello

I have tried to unsubscribeincluding removing membership to no avail...I 
meant to only get the digest. In any event, I can no longer log in but still 
get all the emails. Any help you might offer is appreciated.

Thanks

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[Elecraft] K3 DC Output

2014-12-22 Thread Dauer, Edward
According to the Manual the K3¹s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 amps,
which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a
PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory.  I looked through the on-line
manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery.  Did
Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3¹s shipped after the mod came out in
2012?  My K3 is S/N 7562.

Tnx,

Ted, KN1CBR

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem solved

2014-12-22 Thread Sam Morgan

Connection to Pin 2 somewhere in the K3 to KAT500 cable is broken!
thanks to *all* who pointed the way to troubleshooting the problem!!!

On 12/22/2014 10:51 AM, Jack Brindle wrote:

I just went back and read Sam's original post. Both KPA and KAT are
affected. This comes form the info that the KAT is not following the
K3 frequency, info that only goes through the AuxBus. The problem is
either the cable from the K3 to the KAT, or somehow the AuxBus has
been disabled in the K3. I don't think the latter is possible. We
know that the band lines on the AUX cable are working just fine since
both KAT and KPA follow the K3 band. both boxes get the band from the
BAND lines and not the AuxBus (note for Sam - the KPA does not listen
to the AuxBus, only talks. The KAT does both).

So, check the cable from the K3 to the KAT. Pin 2 appears not to be
conveying data. You might want to pull it and ohm it out. Also note
that this must not be a VGA cable, but a straight-through connection
with no lines shorted together. But you already knew that...

We will get you going shortly. Intermittent are number 1 on the
devil's list...

73,

JackB, W6FB



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Richard Fjeld
Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers.  I gleaned many 
good ideas from them.


This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by 
not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while the 
K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case 
scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on.


I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery 
here in the furnace room.  Since I don't need to operate by battery 
power,  I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a 9 
amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive 
mode and properly shut down?
I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel 
momentarily.  I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to keep 
the K3 alive.  I'd need to test it using an older style radio.  I'm 
hoping someone has had experience related to this.


Thanks in advance for comments,

Dick, n0ce


On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:

Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?

Dick, n0ce




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

Dick,

Yes, hydrogen outgassing is a potential problem, and the area containing 
a normal lead-acid battery should not only be protected from sparks and 
ignition sources, but should also be vented to the outside.


I would suggest that you look at a larger gel cell or an AGM battery.
If you use a normal lead acid deep cycle battery, you could enclose it 
in a tight battery box (often used in RVs) which has a vent hose that 
you could route outside.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/22/2014 2:51 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers.  I gleaned 
many good ideas from them.


This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by 
not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while 
the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case 
scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on.


I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery 
here in the furnace room.  Since I don't need to operate by battery 
power,  I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a 
9 amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive 
mode and properly shut down?
I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel 
momentarily.  I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to 
keep the K3 alive.  I'd need to test it using an older style radio.  
I'm hoping someone has had experience related to this.


Thanks in advance for comments,

Dick, n0ce


On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:

Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?

Dick, n0ce




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output

2014-12-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ted,

Yes, K3s manufactured after the mod came out do have the 1 amp output 
rating starting with SN 6588.
The Owner's Manual itself has not been updated, but Errata Rev D10-5 
dated June 9, 2014 states the places where the manual should be manually 
updated.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/22/2014 11:55 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

According to the Manual the K3¹s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 amps,
which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a
PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory.  I looked through the on-line
manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery.  Did
Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3¹s shipped after the mod came out in
2012?  My K3 is S/N 7562.




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Jim Brown

On Mon,12/22/2014 11:51 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by 
not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while 
the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case 
scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on.


You are overly concerned, but having battery backup is a good thing.

Concerns about outgassing notwithstanding, I've never used anything more 
than the voltage regulator on the power supply to limit the charge, and 
I've always used ordinary deep cycle batteries. The key is to limit that 
voltage to what the battery expects, and to limit the charging current 
to what the battery will take as a trickle once it's reached full 
charge. Those are not difficult to do if you simply monitor battery 
voltage and charge current.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Nick Kemp

Another problem is that outgasing gases are corrosive and can damage
electronics especially contacts, relays, connectors, pots and the like.

Nick
N1KMP


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output

2014-12-22 Thread Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO
Even if you had an older K3, it's very minor surgery. It's been some 
time since I modified my K3 (serial no. 7) but I think it involved 
the replacement of two components.


On 22 Dec 2014 18:55, Dauer, Edward wrote:

According to the Manual the K3¹s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 amps,
which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a
PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory.  I looked through the on-line
manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery.  Did
Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3¹s shipped after the mod came out in
2012?  My K3 is S/N 7562.

Tnx,

Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread charlie carroll
Dick:
Unless you are looking for something to do, I also suggest you are over
concerned.  During the recent CQWW CW on the island of St. Croix, we had
3 K3s all driving amps.  We probably had 3 or 4 outages without incident. 

Similarly, as a single op on the island of Montserrat during the last
ARRL SSB, I had a K3 barefoot.  Again, something like 3 or 4 power
outages during the contest.  No problems.

Once that 12 volts into the K3 reaches its lower limit, the radio's
off.  Shutting down properly during a power interruption might be a
different, and more difficult requirement, than just batter backup.

73 charlie, k1xx


On 12/22/2014 2:51 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
 Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers.  I gleaned
 many good ideas from them.

 This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by
 not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while
 the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case
 scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on.

 I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery
 here in the furnace room.  Since I don't need to operate by battery
 power,  I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a
 9 amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive
 mode and properly shut down?
 I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel
 momentarily.  I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to
 keep the K3 alive.  I'd need to test it using an older style radio. 
 I'm hoping someone has had experience related to this.

 Thanks in advance for comments,

 Dick, n0ce


 On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
 Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?

 Dick, n0ce



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[Elecraft] KAT500 and KXPA100 tuner problems

2014-12-22 Thread Cady, Fred
Hi all,
I keep reading about the problems people are having with their KAT500 and 
KXPA100 tuners going into a tuning cycle when there seems to be nothing wrong 
with their antennas.  I've had my tuners operating here for a long while and 
don't have those problems. Mind you, I don't do much SSB, although I did get a 
bunch done last week in the W1AW/7 Montana operation.  Thanks to all of you who 
gave us a call.

There have been a couple of comments from others who have suggested that there 
may be RF getting back into the system or into control cables.  I think these 
have some merit and so if you are having these troubles that might be an avenue 
of investigation.

In the course of putting together the K-Line book and working on a second 
edition of the KX3 book to include the KXPA/KXAT100 amplifier, I've been able 
to put together some thoughts on how these tuners work.  You can find an 
extraction of these details at 
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners.

Cheers and happy holidays,
Fred KE7X


The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed

The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit

The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station

Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at 
www.elecraft.comhttp://www.elecraft.com

PDF copies available from KE7X
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread tom armour
I use one of these power supplies with a battery backup module installed 
(Model: SEC-1223BBM).  I have a deep cycle battery attached to 
it.http://www.samlexamerica.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=516The 
hot-switches to battery is very nice when power fails. Also if you happen to 
draw more than 25A it uses the battery for the difference from up to 35A.  It 
charges the battery at 5A with normal power.Tom - wa4ta

 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:51:52 -0600
 From: rpfj...@embarqmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3   13.8 VDC power
 
 Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers.  I gleaned many 
 good ideas from them.
 
 This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by 
 not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while the 
 K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case 
 scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on.
 
 I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery 
 here in the furnace room.  Since I don't need to operate by battery 
 power,  I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a 9 
 amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive 
 mode and properly shut down?
 I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel 
 momentarily.  I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to keep 
 the K3 alive.  I'd need to test it using an older style radio.  I'm 
 hoping someone has had experience related to this.
 
 Thanks in advance for comments,
 
 Dick, n0ce
 
 
 On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
  Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?
 
  Dick, n0ce
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] K3/0 or Mini WANTED:

2014-12-22 Thread Larry - K1UO
If you replaced your K3/0 with a K3/0 mini, or are not using your K3/0, I may 
be interested in purchasing it.   Actually interested in the K3 mini if you 
have one and are not using it. 
I am looking for the K3 control RRC and cables as well. 

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[Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference?

2014-12-22 Thread Larry - K1UO
What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 – Twins on the 
RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII’s  and the Remote Rig units for remoting the K3’s 
that are designated RRC-1256 in all the Elecraft literature?
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KXPA100 tuner problems

2014-12-22 Thread Gary Gregory
Same here.and i have only used the supplied reference material, use SSB
90% of the time, non resonant antennas as well as a tribander.
I teach the kat500 when i first set up the run in manual mode.

The one time i had sudden tune issued the culprit was one leg of the
ladder line broke at the antenna.

Nuff said from me i guess

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 23/12/2014 7:24 AM, Cady, Fred fc...@ece.montana.edu wrote:

 Hi all,
 I keep reading about the problems people are having with their KAT500 and
 KXPA100 tuners going into a tuning cycle when there seems to be nothing
 wrong with their antennas.  I've had my tuners operating here for a long
 while and don't have those problems. Mind you, I don't do much SSB,
 although I did get a bunch done last week in the W1AW/7 Montana operation.
 Thanks to all of you who gave us a call.

 There have been a couple of comments from others who have suggested that
 there may be RF getting back into the system or into control cables.  I
 think these have some merit and so if you are having these troubles that
 might be an avenue of investigation.

 In the course of putting together the K-Line book and working on a second
 edition of the KX3 book to include the KXPA/KXAT100 amplifier, I've been
 able to put together some thoughts on how these tuners work.  You can find
 an extraction of these details at
 http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners.

 Cheers and happy holidays,
 Fred KE7X


 The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed

 The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit

 The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station

 Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
 http://www.elecraft.com

 PDF copies available from KE7X
 KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
 http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
 KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
 http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output

2014-12-22 Thread Don Wilhelm
Actually, the hardest part of installing that change is removing the 
KPA3.  Once that is accomplished, the rest of the mod is easy - as Vic 
said, it is a matter of changing two components.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/22/2014 3:40 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
Even if you had an older K3, it's very minor surgery. It's been some 
time since I modified my K3 (serial no. 7) but I think it involved 
the replacement of two components.


On 22 Dec 2014 18:55, Dauer, Edward wrote:
According to the Manual the K3¹s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 
amps,

which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a
PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory.  I looked through the on-line
manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery.  Did
Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3¹s shipped after the mod came out in
2012?  My K3 is S/N 7562.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Fred Townsend
Dick:
A few more notes. Outgassing is not a normal occurrence of lead acid
batteries. It occurs when there is substantial overcharge. That is why you
always use a regulator so outgassing doesn't occur. Second SLA stands for
sealed lead acid. These batteries are partially sealed to prevent
outgassing. They do have blowout plugs to prevent explosions. Finally there
are battery monitors available at reasonable cost. They will sound an alarm
if your battery voltage is too high or too low thereby giving warning that
something is not right. I also attach a 12vdc  LED light strip to my power
alarm. That way when the house lights go out I can still see the controls to
shut things down if need be.

73, Fred, AE6QL

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Richard Fjeld; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

Dick,

Yes, hydrogen outgassing is a potential problem, and the area containing a
normal lead-acid battery should not only be protected from sparks and
ignition sources, but should also be vented to the outside.

I would suggest that you look at a larger gel cell or an AGM battery.
If you use a normal lead acid deep cycle battery, you could enclose it in a
tight battery box (often used in RVs) which has a vent hose that you could
route outside.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/22/2014 2:51 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
 Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers.  I gleaned 
 many good ideas from them.

 This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by 
 not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while 
 the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case 
 scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on.

 I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery 
 here in the furnace room.  Since I don't need to operate by battery 
 power,  I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a
 9 amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive 
 mode and properly shut down?
 I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel 
 momentarily.  I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to 
 keep the K3 alive.  I'd need to test it using an older style radio.
 I'm hoping someone has had experience related to this.

 Thanks in advance for comments,

 Dick, n0ce


 On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
 Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?

 Dick, n0ce



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread david Moes
I'm just curios  is there any real test data available showing what IMD 
may be present at  various supply voltages?   I have heard many comments 
on the reflector over the years saying to keep the voltage high  one 
member saying to keep it at 15V.The specs say 13.8 V nominal during 
TX. (11 V min, 15 V max)   I would think that the transmit signal 
should be fairly clean within this range.


At home its on a regulated supply 13.8 so NP   but at the cottage where 
there is no utility power  its on a battery  with 6 and 10ga wiring  all 
using solar charge.  At night I will see voltages drop to about 12V 
after operating with lighting from the same battery for a while  usually 
about 1:00 am in a contest.  this is when I go off the air and to bed, 
as this is typically about when the battery reaches a 40-50% charge and 
I don't like to go below this.   is operating approaching 12 volts 
(transmit) really an issue?


David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dm...@nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 12/22/2014 11:31, Jim Brown wrote:

On Mon,12/22/2014 7:05 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:

Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com writes:


I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A
supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels
doing it during the summer.

What do you do about the voltage being 12.5ish instead of 13.8? Run the
K3s at reduced power (because of the amps you are doing anyway)?  Don't
worry about extra IMD?  Use a DC-DC converter to get 13.8V?


Most of my contesting is done either at legal limit, with the K3s 
driving an amp or at QRP. For NAQP, of course, i run 100W. Even at 
100W and 12.5V the K3 is pretty clean, and at the 40-50W level it 
takes to drive my Ten Tec Titans, even cleaner. The measurements in 
the link below were taken with my usual power setup.


k9yc.com/P3_SpectrumMeasurements.pdf

Someone mentioned using a solar charge controller. I'm using a GV MPPT 
charge controller between my solar panels and the battery. It's RF 
quiet. Most charge controllers make RF noise. GV makes several models 
for different battery types, voltages, and current ratings. They are 
available here. The company also seems to be a good place to buy Li 
batteries.


http://www.batteryspace.com/140w-10a-solar-charge-controller-with-mppt-for-lithium-batteries.aspx 



73, Jim K9YC

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Gary Gregory
AGM batteries can be air freighted...nuff said on safety.

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 23/12/2014 7:29 AM, tom armour wa...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I use one of these power supplies with a battery backup module installed
 (Model: SEC-1223BBM).  I have a deep cycle battery attached to it.
 http://www.samlexamerica.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=516The
 hot-switches to battery is very nice when power fails. Also if you happen
 to draw more than 25A it uses the battery for the difference from up to
 35A.  It charges the battery at 5A with normal power.Tom - wa4ta

  Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:51:52 -0600
  From: rpfj...@embarqmail.com
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3   13.8 VDC power
 
  Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers.  I gleaned many
  good ideas from them.
 
  This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by
  not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while the
  K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case
  scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on.
 
  I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery
  here in the furnace room.  Since I don't need to operate by battery
  power,  I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a 9
  amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive
  mode and properly shut down?
  I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel
  momentarily.  I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to keep
  the K3 alive.  I'd need to test it using an older style radio.  I'm
  hoping someone has had experience related to this.
 
  Thanks in advance for comments,
 
  Dick, n0ce
 
 
  On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
   Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution?
  
   Dick, n0ce
  
  
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference?

2014-12-22 Thread Mitch Wolfson DJØQN
The 1258's are the RemoteRig RRC's required for remote operation, the 
1256's are Webswitches, a completely different product line. I use the 
1258's for my K3 remote control, as well as a 1256 for my rotor, raising 
and lowering my mast and turning my SPE 2K-FA on and off.


All this information is available on the RemoteRig web site at 
http://www.remoterig.com/ and you can received detailed answers to any 
questions you may have on the RemoteRig forum at 
http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php


73,
Mitch DJ0QN

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Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn
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On 22.12.2014 16:41, Larry - K1UO wrote:

What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 – Twins on the 
RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII’s  and the Remote Rig units for remoting the K3’s 
that are designated RRC-1256 in all the Elecraft literature?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

David,

I think the answer to your question is a matter of degree.
I do not have any specific test data on the IMD increase as the DC 
voltage is reduced, but it is a fact that the IMD with 'nominal 12 volt' 
transceivers will worsen as the voltage drops.
The fact that the K3 IMD is better than most other transceivers also 
says that the IMD as the voltage goes down is better on the K3 than others.


If you are concerned about it, I suggest you reduce the power to 
something like 75 or 80 watts when your power source voltage decreases.  
The difference between that power and 100 watts is likely not to be 
noticed by the receiving stations.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/22/2014 5:50 PM, david Moes wrote:
I'm just curios  is there any real test data available showing what 
IMD may be present at  various supply voltages?   I have heard many 
comments on the reflector over the years saying to keep the voltage 
high  one member saying to keep it at 15V.The specs say 13.8 V 
nominal during TX. (11 V min, 15 V max)   I would think that the 
transmit signal should be fairly clean within this range.


At home its on a regulated supply 13.8 so NP   but at the cottage 
where there is no utility power  its on a battery  with 6 and 10ga 
wiring  all using solar charge.  At night I will see voltages drop to 
about 12V after operating with lighting from the same battery for a 
while  usually about 1:00 am in a contest.  this is when I go off the 
air and to bed, as this is typically about when the battery reaches a 
40-50% charge and I don't like to go below this.   is operating 
approaching 12 volts (transmit) really an issue?




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[Elecraft] K1 Alignment and Test, Part I - Error 27 persists

2014-12-22 Thread Benjamin Schmid

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference?

2014-12-22 Thread Larry - K1UO
Thanks Mitch..  I went to the website you provided but I don’t find the RRC 
1256 units shown anywhere.  The webswitches are called 1216 units.  The 
1256,s listed in Elecraft manuals appear to look like 1258 units..  Maybe 
the 1258's are just newer units with newer features?


regards
Larry  K1UO

-Original Message- 
From: Mitch Wolfson DJØQN

Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:37 PM
To: Larry - K1UO ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference?

The 1258's are the RemoteRig RRC's required for remote operation, the
1256's are Webswitches, a completely different product line. I use the
1258's for my K3 remote control, as well as a 1256 for my rotor, raising
and lowering my mast and turning my SPE 2K-FA on and off.

All this information is available on the RemoteRig web site at
http://www.remoterig.com/ and you can received detailed answers to any
questions you may have on the RemoteRig forum at
http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php

73,
Mitch DJ0QN

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DJØQN / K7DX
Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn
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On 22.12.2014 16:41, Larry - K1UO wrote:
What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 – Twins on 
the RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII’s  and the Remote Rig units for remoting the 
K3’s that are designated RRC-1256 in all the Elecraft literature?

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[Elecraft] K3 phone plub

2014-12-22 Thread John McBee
I have been having a problem for some time with the headphone jack on my 
K3, no sound coming out of speaker on K3.  It's starting to happen more 
and more frequently.  The problem is, some times when I turn on my K3, I 
can't hear any audio coming out of the K3 speaker unless I plug in my 
headphones and unplug them.  Hear lately it will work for a little bit 
then quit and I'll have to plug a phone plug back in and remove it again 
for the audio to return to the k3 speaker.  Sometimes just leaving the 
headphone connector in a little will make the audio come back to 
speaker. Could this be a bad phone plug on the K3?  Im running MCU 
firmware v 4.86.


Thanks for any advice

John
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 phone plub

2014-12-22 Thread John Kendra
I have had trouble with my K3 front phone plug since it was about two months 
old.  Usually I have to jiggle my headset plug to get audio in my headset.  The 
jack seems to be at a place hard to get to.

John N4LJS



 On Dec 22, 2014, at 19:54, John McBee jrmc...@cox.net wrote:
 
 I have been having a problem for some time with the headphone jack on my K3, 
 no sound coming out of speaker on K3.  It's starting to happen more and more 
 frequently.  The problem is, some times when I turn on my K3, I can't hear 
 any audio coming out of the K3 speaker unless I plug in my headphones and 
 unplug them.  Hear lately it will work for a little bit then quit and I'll 
 have to plug a phone plug back in and remove it again for the audio to return 
 to the k3 speaker.  Sometimes just leaving the headphone connector in a 
 little will make the audio come back to speaker. Could this be a bad phone 
 plug on the K3?  Im running MCU firmware v 4.86.
 
 Thanks for any advice
 
 John
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Weighting

2014-12-22 Thread James Bennett
Dennis -

Thanks for the post. I’ve had a K3 for about five years and have really liked 
the feel/sound of it’s keying. Got a KX3 about a year ago and immediately 
noticed that is just didn’t sound the same as big brother. Not bad, but just 
not the same. I pretty much ignored it, as it wan’t really troubling me. But 
when I saw your post, I thought I’d see if that makes a difference for me. One 
word: WOW! I dropped my setting down to 1.05 as you suggested and now, on my 
KX3, it is perfect - for me, anyway. And the spacing/weight seems (to me) to be 
exactly like what big brother produces.

Thanks!

Jim / W6JHB


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 After receiving a 459 report during a CW contact this week, it occurred to 
 me that I had never actually listened to the transmitted CW signal from my 
 KX3. Doing so, I discovered the CW weighting was set heavy by my ears (1.25), 
 quite a bit different than what the CW sidetone represented, and possibly 
 contributing to the readability report. I reset the weighting to 1.05 and 
 the CW output now sounds exactly like the sidetone spacing. For those KX3 
 drivers out there, you may want to either listen to your transmitted signal, 
 or simply trust my assessment and set menu CW WGHT to 1.05. Dennis - WU6X 
  
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 12/7/2014

2014-12-22 Thread Phil Shepard
Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from December 7, 2014.  We had 
35 participants.  

Station NameQTH Rig S/N

WB9JNZ/mEricWI  IC7000
K1NWBrian   RI  K3  4974
VE3XM   Bob ON  K3  409
WV5IDwayne  TX  K3  5287
NC0JW   Jim CO  KX3 1356
K4GCJ   Gerry   NC  K3  1597
K5RHD   Randy   NM  KX3 1383
KD8DZ   MikeOH  K3  5905
W4RKS   Jim TX  K3  3618
KF5IMA  Bruce   MS  K2  3575
KC0XT   David   CA  KX3 6980
K3SEN   DaleFL  K3  7619
W0CZKen ND  K3  457
AD5IJ   Howard  OR  KX3 5178
QRP
K6WDE   DaveAZ  KX3 4599QRP
W0SGM   Scott   IA  KX3 3689QRP
KD4PS   DaveIL  KX3 3389QRP
AD0LG   BillCO  KX3 7111
QRP
K7BRR   BillAZ  K3  5545
QRP
ZL1PWD  Peter   NZ  K3  139
KD9ANS  TonyIL  K3  826
W4DML   DougTN  K3  2915QRP
VE7EAR  Al  BC  KX3 1358
KC9ZZU  Len IL  IC7410
AA7FArlen   WA  K3  8115
KC0OCH  Justin  MO  KX3
AE6JV   BillCA  K3  6299
WN8AJim MI  K3  3480
NT1RJoe ME  K3  124
N7GOD   Galen   ID  K2  6533
W7JJL   JohnWA  KX3 993
K6SAB   Steve   CA  K3  7497
K4FIDougSC  K3  6199
KE7HGE  Ken WA  KX3 4540
QRP
NS7PPhilOR  K3  1826

73,
Phil, NS7P
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference?

2014-12-22 Thread Mitch Wolfson DJØQN

Hi Larry,

I thought I explained it before, but I will make another attempt ;-)

RRC-1258MkIIs: This is the set that does the actual *remote control*. It 
provides all audio using the SIP protocol, rig control through CAT, CW 
support (including paddle), some limited relays and a virtual COM port 
(two if you don't need CAT), etc. See 
http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1051


Webswitch 1216H or RC-1216H: These are web controlled *RELAYS*. The H 
version is an all rounder that can be used for rotor control, relays to 
control devices, temperature measurement, etc. It has no audio, CW, or 
other rig control functionality, it is purely for device control using 
relays. See: http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=166
The RC versions are more specialized to control devices, i.e. Acom 
2000a, SPE Expert 1K-FA, KPA500, SteppIR and rotors. See 
http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010


Maybe you got me this time around, hopefully!

73 and happy holidays from Bonita Springs, FL
Mitch DJ0QN

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On 22.12.2014 19:23, Larry - K1UO wrote:
Thanks Mitch..  I went to the website you provided but I don’t find 
the RRC 1256 units shown anywhere.  The webswitches are called 1216 
units.  The 1256,s listed in Elecraft manuals appear to look like 1258 
units..  Maybe the 1258's are just newer units with newer features?


regards
Larry  K1UO

-Original Message- From: Mitch Wolfson DJØQN
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:37 PM
To: Larry - K1UO ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference?

The 1258's are the RemoteRig RRC's required for remote operation, the
1256's are Webswitches, a completely different product line. I use the
1258's for my K3 remote control, as well as a 1256 for my rotor, raising
and lowering my mast and turning my SPE 2K-FA on and off.

All this information is available on the RemoteRig web site at
http://www.remoterig.com/ and you can received detailed answers to any
questions you may have on the RemoteRig forum at
http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php

73,
Mitch DJ0QN

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On 22.12.2014 16:41, Larry - K1UO wrote:
What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 – 
Twins on the RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII’s  and the Remote Rig units 
for remoting the K3’s that are designated RRC-1256 in all the 
Elecraft literature?

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference?

2014-12-22 Thread KY7K
Larry,

I would call Elecraft and ask them directly, but I think the 1256 may be a typo 
in the earlier documents or a earlier model. The latest K3 remote manual (apr 
2014) on the webside only mentions the 1258.

Steve - KY7K
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 On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Larry - K1UO k...@tds.net wrote:
 
 Thanks Mitch..  I went to the website you provided but I don’t find the RRC 
 1256 units shown anywhere.  The webswitches are called 1216 units.  The 
 1256,s listed in Elecraft manuals appear to look like 1258 units..  Maybe the 
 1258's are just newer units with newer features?
 
 regards
 Larry  K1UO
 
 -Original Message- From: Mitch Wolfson DJØQN
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:37 PM
 To: Larry - K1UO ; Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference?
 
 The 1258's are the RemoteRig RRC's required for remote operation, the
 1256's are Webswitches, a completely different product line. I use the
 1258's for my K3 remote control, as well as a 1256 for my rotor, raising
 and lowering my mast and turning my SPE 2K-FA on and off.
 
 All this information is available on the RemoteRig web site at
 http://www.remoterig.com/ and you can received detailed answers to any
 questions you may have on the RemoteRig forum at
 http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php
 
 73,
 Mitch DJ0QN
 
 Mitch Wolfson
 DJØQN / K7DX
 Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn
 Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436
 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378
 
 On 22.12.2014 16:41, Larry - K1UO wrote:
 What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 – Twins on 
 the RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII’s  and the Remote Rig units for remoting the 
 K3’s that are designated RRC-1256 in all the Elecraft literature?
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Re: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10

2014-12-22 Thread Bernie KF0QS
Thanks for the replies you guys.  I'd always heard about QRP guys busting
pileups, and having done it once, I've got a lot more confidence for doing
it again.

Happy Holidays all, and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS



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[Elecraft] cw id on SSB not working now.

2014-12-22 Thread KC6CNN
I had set up my M1 to id in CW when I was rag chewing on my local freq. 
I do not know what changed but I can not get it to send my call in CW while
in SSB mode anymore. 

CW Weight tapped 1 and got +cw 
used the K3 utility to set in my call sign under bank 1 M1. 

I push the m1 button now and it switches to transmit but does not send my
call.
Does anyone know what I might not have set right. 

Thanks
Gerald




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K3 # 6254
KX3 # 757
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Richard Fjeld


Well, more good information.  Maybe I stand corrected.  It's been nearly 
4 years since I have read the manual, and my memory may have read more 
into the statements than it should have.


I refer to page 13, right hand column, halfway down, entitled POWER.  
There is a note that reads To ensure correct save of operating 
parameters, turn the K3 off /before/ turning the power supply off.  
When I read that, I thought about the short duration power failures we 
experience.


Page 44 touches on updating the nonvolatile memory correctly before 
shut-down either by the power switch, or in this case a 'PS0;' command 
via the RS232 interface.


As you saw, there was a reply from a contester  who had several power 
outages with multiple K3's without any troubles.  That was good to learn of.


I thought If I only use the battery for backup to shutdown, there should 
be a minimum of charging.  I have been using a UPS on the AC supply, but 
I trust a float battery I can test on the DC.  I may abandon the whole 
idea and stay with the UPS. Sometimes rejection is a good thing.


Note: As I learn more about this radio, I appreciate the thought that 
went into it's design.


Thanks for the posts, and the bandwidth.

Dick, n0ce

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms

2014-12-22 Thread Chris Tate - N6WM
Ok.  This issue has been resolved.

First I want to send a huge Thanks to K9YC for his body of work on RFI, and 
bonding , as well as W3FPR for setting me straight where I should be reading on 
the pan adapter and soundcard isses.   I spent some quality time, along with an 
offline email (thanks Jim) and ended up bonding all equipment, laptop, KX3, 
basically any chassis.  Since this is an expedition kit, I took his advice and 
built  pigtails with power pole connectors connected to each chassis in the 
setup.  This allows quick assembly and breakdown of the bonding system.  After 
doing this First result.. all audible rfi noise in headphones.. gone.  Voltage 
between devices seems to have been balanced.  Spot on Jim. This was great, and 
it gets better.

The noise I was seeing on waterfalls seems to be nastiness coming from the USB 
system on the laptop.  I did some snooping with an HT to narrow this down.  I 
applied a ferrite choke onto the USB cable along with ensuring a very secure 
connection to the USB port.. fired up the system and bingo..  98% of the 
displayed noise on the waterfall is gone. (I am not sure if the Choke worked or 
if it was a loose connection, or both).

Lessons learned..
1.  Read the Elecraft Manual.  Carefully.
2.  Read K9YC presentation and data  Carefully.  Raise your hands and say.. 
You are the go to man for this Reverend Jim!
3.  Read telepost soundcard page.  Read it again.  Thanks again Don.. They have 
really added a lot of info since the last time I looked there.
4.  Reach out to the authors as needed to reassure yourself what you read is 
true :-).  (I guess it's a ham thing.. or maybe an N6WM thing hi hi)

Net result (with all these little challenges solved) is  I have the best 
sounding fully functional compact expedition/portable contestpedition setup 
that can fit in a pelican case(in my opinion.) 

 Consists of KX3/KXPA100  Thinkpad notebook, mini speakers, small power supply, 
Xonar sound card, footswitch(tested and working) , headphones(CM500 tx audio 
dialed in), budipole and battery for the really remote stuff.  With the IQ out 
into the Xonar , I have skimmer, N1MM Plus, and even power SDR running in a 
stable state giving a full waterfall display of my choosing.  In fact I have 
them running all simultaneously.  The entire setup works, and works well.

Now I can pack all this stuff up and get back to planning its first travel 
date, and  using my K3/0 connected to my not on expedition K-line at the 
hilltop station. 

Thanks K9YC and everyone else who responded.. this was a fun project... and of 
course keep cranking out these super cool products Eric and Wayne!

~Chris
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power

2014-12-22 Thread Jim Brown

On Mon,12/22/2014 2:50 PM, david Moes wrote:
I'm just curios  is there any real test data available showing what 
IMD may be present at  various supply voltages?


The link below is for a presentation that K6XX and I did to NCCC a year 
or so ago. See slide #42 for some measurements that Bob did.


http://k9yc.com/K6XXAmpTalk.pdf

The measurements I posted a day or two ago were done at supply voltages 
between about 12.5V and 12.9V.  It's hard to find the IMD -- there's 
some, but it's WAY down.


73, Jim K9YC


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